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How do we as the real education profs

make our collective voice heard in 2012?

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mrbulmerPE 19:57

RT @uk_teacher: #Gove bores students with his academy drivel.

Absolutely classic fail. #ukedchat http://t.co/76kO3Cfr

philallman1 19:57

Almost there everyone - #ukedchat 'How do we as the real

education profs make our collective voice heard in 2012?' in 2

mins!

ConsultantHead 19:58

@purposeducation: Have you signed the HM government e-

petition calling for debate on education? http://t.co/Q1VXI8p3

#ukedchat

bucharesttutor 19:59

Is this going to be a UK specific #ukedchat ? Can anyone pls

answer?

philallman1 19:59

RT @ConsultantHead: @purposeducation: Have you signed the HM

government e-petition calling for debate on education?

http://t.co/Q1VXI8p3 #ukedchat

philallman1 19:59

Ok everyone - we are up and running. As dedicated ed profs how

do we make ourselves heard? #ukedchatBobToms100 19:59 Is it #ukedchat time? Oh heck...

Natty08 20:00 Unlocked for #ukedchat :)

philallman1 20:00

RT @TheHeadsOffice: What arenas & are we talking about

EVERYTHING we want to say? #ukedchat< thoughts? what hot

buttons do we have?

philallman1 20:00

@bucharesttutor not necessarily although the qu is pertinent here

I know it is same elsewhere #ukedchat

TheHeadsOffice 20:00

What arenas & are we talking about EVERYTHING we want to say?

#ukedchat

eylanezekiel 20:00

#ukedchat Teachers voices wld be heard better & valued in policy if

the culture of defensiveness was removed along w/ poor

practitioners

barton1875 20:01

@eylanezekiel #ukedchat People saying that there are poor

practitioners feeds into the culture of defensiveness

philallman1 20:01 @bellaale what would you say? #ukedchat

bellaale 20:01 @philallman1 kidnap Gove and SHOUT in his ears? ;) #ukedchat

philallman1 20:01

RT @eylanezekiel: #ukedchat Teachers voices wld be heard better

& valued in policy if the culture of defensiveness was removed

along w/ poor practitioners

cherrylkd 20:02

@philallman1 #ukedchat I don't think striking is the correctresponse for teachers. Lose public sympathy & de value our

professional status

SirBlimelyWindy 20:02

#ukedchat the biggest problem is that politicians think they know

best because they once went to school

KerriDrama 20:02

RT @ConsultantHead: @purposeducation: Have you signed the HM

government e-petition calling for debate on education?

http://t.co/Q1VXI8p3 #ukedchat

BobToms100 20:02

@philallman1 broadcast your good practice thro ur students,

rather than telling leadership #ukedchat

ukedchat 20:02 Are you joining @philallman1 for #ukedchat this evening?

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@philallman1 #ukedchat I'd tell him to stop meddling and trust the

professionals to do the job - does he tell doctors how to operate?

philallman1 20:03

RT @SirBlimelyWindy: #ukedchat the biggest problem is that

politicians think they know best b/c they once went 2 skool We have a virtual

sch in my LA

janwebb21 20:16

RT @philallman1: RT @PhaedScho: You get to understand people

better by their ACTIONS as well as their words: #ukedchat

passionateaboot 20:16

#ukedchat Can you look at this from a different perspective? Who

changes hearts and minds successfully - how do they do it?


RT @JOHNSAYERS: @CliveSir: What percentage of teachers

blog, tweet? How representative are you? #ukedchat wouldlove to know the figures!

janwebb21 20:17

RT @mister_jim: Perhaps we need to play a long game & educate

tomorrow's politicians & world leaders in class NOW... #ukedchat

philallman1 20:17

RT @tim7168: Maybe that half-term teaching requirement should

extend to Secretary of State for Education! #ukedchat < after

y/days perf!

GeekPeter 20:17

@TheHeadsOffice @mattpearson #ukedchat TwitterFreeSchool

open 6-8pm weekdays for intensive tuition from range of

professionals?

SumonT 20:17

RT @tim7168: Read recommendation by Mick Waters that Ofsted

inspectors should be required to teach half a term each year.

#ukedchat

GeorgeEBlack 20:17

#ukedchat the thing is the politicians were in school at least 15

years ago and things have changed soooo much...

tcash 20:17

RT @CliveSir: Wow! Ed Blog Register is growing: 167 blogs now!

Join us: bit.ly/s6ex1u #elemchat #ukedchat #ntchat #edchat

#cpchat #eltchat

dan_bowen 20:17

@bevevans22 #ukedchat more Twitter more teachmeets more

something New I feel. Edu is settling down ....maybe the rise of

New cpd models

janwebb21 20:17

RT @bevevans22: @bellaale Sharing with wider edu community is

fun but not always easy. There are always going to be those not

wanting to listen #ukedchat

tim7168 20:17

Maybe that half-term teaching requirement should extend to

Secretary of State for Education! #ukedchat

SurrealAnarchy 20:17

@mattpearson: we could always start a free school, that

would get us loads of positive media coverage . . #ukedchat

why not?

barton1875 20:17 @dawnhallybone that doesn't sell papers though #ukedchat



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EA_Holmes 20:17

RT @passionateaboot: #ukedchat Can you look at this from a

different perspective? Who changes hearts and minds successfully -

how do they do it?

janwebb21 20:17

@MoreThanMaths that is true! how do we get huddles and cliques

to look outward then! #ukedchat

mister_jim 20:17

@mikemcsharry ahh, just thinking along the lines of doctors &

solicitors #ukedchat

mattpearson 20:17

@mister_jim we better go and get jobs in private schools then.

Many UK politicians are privately educated!! #ukedchat

EddieGouthwaite 20:17

#Barnsley Church Leaders "Divide & rule" #LMHR #HopeNotHate

#UkEdChat #Abbot #MultiAcademies Labour Style Capitalism

#Colonialism #Filkin

JOHNSAYERS 20:17

@CliveSir: What percentage of teachers blog, tweet? How

representative are you? #ukedchat would live to know the

figures!

SumonT 20:17

RT @mikemcsharry: Invite more business folks into your way of

thinking - let them help to give you a voice #ukedchat

philallman1 20:17

RT @mister_jim: Perhaps we need to play a long game & educate

tomorrow's politicians & world leaders in class NOW... #ukedchat > Terrfific idea!

ianaddison 20:28

#ukedchat I can share ideas with people around the globe, yet try

and do it within the LA and there are too many barriers!

KirstenWinkler 20:28

#ukedchat If you hold a local teacher / parent meetup every

month, people will start to notice and get interested. Face to faceis important

davidErogers 20:28 @philallman1 @bevevans22 Thank you #ukedchat



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RT @NatashaCowan: Surely it's people that don't understand social

networking who try to ban / slate it!! Need to educate them too

#UKEdChat

norfolkteacher1 20:28

@GeorgeEBlack @OhLottie @TheHeadsOffice I was heavily warned

against using these sites by previous HT which is why I'm

anonymous #ukedchat

tim7168 20:28

@reflectivemaths @SuperlativeC @SumonT Yeah but can you offerconstructive feedback without skills and knowledge of your own?

#ukedchat

GeorgeEBlack 20:28

RT @kvnmcl: No hidden agendas/methods, share everything that

works and doesn't. Use any communication to get the message

across #ukedchat

philallman1 20:28

RT @janwebb21: @ConsultantHead sometimes it just doesn't work

as fast as all the combined brain energy that is going on in

#ukedchat!!!

janbaker97 20:28

@kvnmcl #ukedchat too much them and us - private v public

trying to drive a wedge for political gain often

HilaryNunns 20:28

RT @passionateaboot: @CliveSir #ukedchat And wider than the

educational circle. Do teachers realise the power of networking?

scholaforis 20:29

@ianaddison #ukedchat... you have to speak their language... now

eg, quadblogging is like penpals right :)

mberry 20:29

@ianaddison innovating is often about ignoring the barriers.

Creating a culture of innovation is about dismantling them.

#ukedchat

NatashaCowan 20:29

@tim7168 @reflectivemaths @superlativec @sumont sometimes

yes - observations outside of subject specialism for eg #UKEdChat

jemimaanderson 20:29

Schools need strong teachers who drive things forward and lead by

example but only together can greatness be achieved #ukedchat

janbaker97 20:29

@TheHeadsOffice @NatashaCowan #ukedchat also need sort out

2 and 3 generation unemployed who pass on couldn't care about

education attitude

bevevans22 20:29

Half way through tonight's #ukedchat - Topic is How do we as the

real education profs make our collective voice heard in 2012?

jwinchester25 20:29

RT @mikemcsharry: At every teachmeet - invite the local pressand/or local business leaders - let THEM share your great messages

#ukedchat

philallman1 20:29

So with half an hour gone we agree the obstacles are great. Local

solutions for collaboration key and scaling up. More ideas?

#ukedchat

dan_bowen 20:29

@MoreThanMaths @janwebb21 @CliveSir I think teachmeets

vitalcpd Twitter etc and #ukedchat only hit a small minority

anyway....

NuttyA10 20:29

@bevevans22 @ianaddison It's sad that this is the case with many

LAs, if we worked together then would be stronger as a group.#ukedchat



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janwebb21 20:29

@JCunningham66 uncertainty from one, then encouragement

from a second who was using it herself! #ukedchat

GeekPeter 20:29

@bevevans22 What does the collective voice want to say? And

who do they want to say it to? #ukedchat

davidErogers 20:29

Have we decided who we are trying to get to hear our voice?

#ukedchat targeting is vital


RT @mikemcsharry: At every teachmeet - invite the local press

and/or local business leaders - let THEM share your great messages

#ukedchat

theotheralig 20:29

RT @TheHeadsOffice: If I were a HT now I'd sort my staff out a

twitter account, find out about TMs & either run or go to 1 instead

of staff meeting! #ukedchat

MoreThanMaths 20:30

@scholaforis Most people I encounter do value individual

educators, but may also have neg views about education system in

general #ukedchat

GeorgeEBlack 20:30

RT @mberry: @ianaddison innovating is often about ignoring thebarriers. Creating a culture of innovation is about dismantling

them. #ukedchat

janeconsidine 20:30

Many schools claim to have an open door policy to parents but

keep it shut on most occasions. Messages need to be clear and reg.

#ukedchat

dan_bowen 20:30

@MoreThanMaths @janwebb21 @CliveSir majority still supported

by the LA advisors left and independants imho. More impact there

#ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS 20:30

Which publicly popular role model would you want to be patron /

involved / volunteer at your school to highlight great learning?

#ukedchat

jamie_daniels 20:30

@PeterSpencer88 #ukedchat mine has tweeted himself, and as a

deputy I see it as an extremely useful tool. Collaboration, theft

whatever!!

philallman1 20:30

RT @davidErogers: Who has the opinions we want to change most

as they have the most influence, rank order of importance with

ppls and parents 1st? #ukedchat

kvnmcl 20:30

RT @mberry: @ianaddison innovating is often about ignoring the

barriers. Creating a culture of innovation is about dismantling

them. #ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:30

@JCunningham66 @philallman1 @passionateaboot #ukedchat 8page newsletter to press? Do they print it? Good idea if so. That'll

promote school

philallman1 20:30

TMs vital as is use of old and new tech but who do we want to

influence - is it wider than locality? #ukedchat

Queen_Claire 20:30

Have met some influential people and discussed ideas with them

through my uni. Would recommend doing PhD to any teacher

#ukedchat

davidErogers 20:30

Who has the opinions we want to change most as they have the

most influence, rank order of importance with ppls and parents

1st? #ukedchat



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JamiePortman 20:30

#ukedchat I agree with @mlovatt1 when he talks about

'Pragmatopia' = Pragmatic within politicised edu system but also

Utopian re: learning

reflectivemaths 20:30

#ukedchat Don't know how to do it, but how many parents really

know what happens in school? Can't rely on Ss.

CliveSir 20:31The issues need focus - the message needs to be coherent andstrong - you need champions, individuals or groups #ukedchat

davidErogers 20:31

@tim7168 That sounds good, but I have no idea what it means :-?

#ukedchat

bevevans22 20:31

RT @mister_jim: sometimes I think the problem is there is too

much information for people to digest. #ukedchat - you can get

overloaded...

cherrylkd 20:31

@JOHNSAYERS @philallman1 #ukedchat Yes! Get more enterprise

in and business shd help spread positivity about good teaching &

learning

tim7168 20:31

@davidErogers A way of moving the debate away from phoney

targets/measures designed to suit agenda of politicians #ukedchat

philallman1 20:31

RT @chrisleach78: I'd love to work in a school where every teacher

was EXPECTED to be on Twitter and blog #ukedchat

chrisleach78 20:31

I'd love to work in a school where every teacher was EXPECTED to

be on Twitter and blog #ukedchat

MultiMartin 20:31 Subject associations play an important role too #ukedchat

janbaker97 20:31

@davidErogers #ukedchat need to sort out pupil/parent

responsibility not blame culture for teachers

JamiePortman 20:31

RT @bevevans22: Half way through tonight's #ukedchat - Topic is

How do we as the real education profs make our collective voice

heard in 2012?

philallman1 20:31

RT @StuartMaginnis: @philallman1 #ukedchat Teaching schools

will hopefully help develop collaboration.

GeekPeter 20:31

My education followers, have you ever joined #ukedchat ? Do you

know about it?

dan_bowen 20:31

@dawnhallybone that's a winner too. Ncsl models of.distributed

leadership #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:31

@NuttyA10 @ianaddison It's certainly been my experience that

sharing with my own area has been more problematic...#ukedchat

mister_jim 20:31

sometimes I think the problem is there is too much information for

people to digest. #ukedchat

NatashaCowan 20:31

@janbaker97 @theheadsoffice so so true!! That is one of my

biggest irritations! #UKEdChat nothing worse than families that

excuse attitudes

StuartMaginnis 20:31

@philallman1 #ukedchat Teaching schools will hopefully help

develop collaboration.

tim7168 20:31

@davidErogers I think aiming to have a 'voice' is a red herring. It's

actually a way to subvert the false debate that surrounds ed

#ukedchat



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MultiMartin 20:32

RT @ianaddison #ukedchat I can share ideas with people around

the globe, yet try and do it within the LA and there are too many

barriers!

GeorgeEBlack 20:32

RT @CliveSir: The issues need focus - the message needs to be

coherent and strong - you need champions, individuals or groups

#ukedchat

smiths1988 20:32

RT @TheHeadsOffice: RT @mikemcsharry: At every teachmeet -invite the local press and/or local business leaders - let THEM share

your great messages #ukedchat


RT @dockers_hoops: Until collaboration replaces competition we

won't genuinely improve and this is the key message which needs

to be heard #ukedchat

Paddymcgrath 20:32

#ukedchat should we just make everything public documents. S of

work lesson plans raise online resources etc

MoreThanMaths 20:32

@dan_bowen Agree. Mathsmeet organised by @damoward &

others reached wider audience, promoted by ASTs & advisors byword of mouth #ukedchat

EA_Holmes 20:32

Ed writers should ideally be experienced educators. Much ed

writing/comment not nuanced enough. Doesn't challenge enough

#ukedchat #values

philallman1 20:32




philallman1 20:32

RT @bellaale: re getting heard: can we not play "the game", and

leverage our privileged position as influential guides of the young?

#ukedchat

dockers_hoops 20:32

Until collaboration replaces competition we won't genuinely

improve and this is the key message which needs to be heard

#ukedchat

bellaale 20:32

re getting heard: can we not play "the game", and leverage our

privileged position as influential guides of the young? #ukedchat


Dads quite like meeting in back rooms of pubs and hearing about

what their kids are doing @reflectivemaths #ukedchat #Ukedchat


@passionateaboot @encompassnow but I think that showing that

all learning is a process to a greater end, and not just a GCSE#ukedchat

philallman1 20:32

.RT @StuartMaginnis: @philallman1 #ukedchat Teaching schools

will hopefully help develop collaboration.


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davidErogers 20:33

@janbaker97 I don't have an issue so much with the media bashing

of teachers, I do with teachers who don't want to meet #ukedchat

theotheralig 20:33

@philallman1 A learning partnership been set up in our LA, offering

high quality CDP as days and twilights, some whole LA days too

#ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:33

@TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat u should come out of retirement &advise Govt of your idea. Twitter is banned. TMs are brill. My entire

sc went

Educationchat 20:33

RT @Reesiepie: Education will be political football while politicians

are in charge. Should be overseen by experts in profession, not

politicians #ukedchat

Biolady99 20:33


much information for people to digest. #ukedchat

jamie_daniels 20:33

@dockers_hoops #ukedchat surely with only a few converter

academies sponsoring this is unlikely to happen.

NatashaCowan 20:33

@JOHNSAYERS good question! Someone who is known for workinghard, not through a tv show #UKEdChat a Musician/Sportsperson

who train for hrs

johnmayo 20:33

@Paddymcgrath all lesson plans and resources should be cc and

put on line to crowd source for improvements or differeication

#ukedchat

ianaddison 20:33

My next step is to raise some money and write letters (with

envelopes+stamps) to all schools to get to people! #ukedchat





JOHNSAYERS 20:33

RT @ianaddison: #ukedchat I can share ideas with people around

the globe, yet try and do it within the LA and there are too many

barriers!

tim7168 20:33

@davidErogers Indeed. Public debate is all about obfuscation.

#ukedchat

Heatherleatt 20:33

Start at local level; centralisation removes our voice. We have a

voice through Unions, our prof organisations and social media.

#ukedchat

NuttyA10 20:33

@bevevans22 @ianaddison Is it because too much is about

competition? #ukedchat

MoreThanMaths 20:33

RT @jemimaanderson: Teachers setting their CPD is important step

in professionalism - analysis of instruction and its impact on

learning is key #ukedchat

philallman1 20:33

RT @mikemcsharry: Just invited the local editor to the "pie and

Teachmeet" in February .. #ukedchat < same place?

jodie_gardiner 20:33

RT @MoreThanMaths: @scholaforis Most people I encounter do

value individual educators, but may also have neg views about

education system in general #ukedchat

janbaker97 20:33@bellaale #ukedchat those I want to influence wouldn't go near adeprived comp!



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Teachers setting their CPD is important step in professionalism -

analysis of instruction and its impact on learning is key #ukedchat

dan_bowen 20:33

@MultiMartin: Subject associations play an important role too

#ukedchat yes totally agree

philallman1 20:33

@dockers_hoops so are we being divided so rule can occur?

#ukedchat

HilaryNunns 20:33

RT @janbaker97: @TheHeadsOffice @NatashaCowan #ukedchat

also need sort out 2 and 3 generation unemployed who pass on

couldn't care about education attitude



much information for people to digest. #ukedchat

philallman1 20:34

RT @StuartMaginnis: @philallman1 #ukedchat if schools get it

right, effective collaboration will benefit more and more schools.


@ianaddison On 2 GBs & some of them don't have email so V

difficult to communicate beyond termly papers! #UKEdChat

amazingict 20:34

Great discussion, dont forget lots of us ex LA staff are in schools.

Ive worked in 8 this week using http://t.co/RgEhqtvq #ukedchat

MartindalePaul 20:34

Form a political party aimed at representing the 99%; those

disengaged, not represented by the current major parties.

#ukedchat

philallman1 20:34 RT @reflectivemaths: #ukedchat Anyone invited parents to a TM?

mberry 20:34

@jemimaanderson CPD should be as much about the development

of the profession as the professional. #ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS 20:34

@mikemcsharry let's do them in more open venues to allow Joe

Bloggs to see / hear / be intrigued by #ukedchat


@dockers_hoops I totally agree - competition between kids,

teachers and schools #ukedchat

davidErogers 20:34

@janbaker97 Still trying to understand who we want to target with

our 'voice' to me it should be other teachers #ukedchat

dan_bowen 20:34

Having just read the boring programme for #bett I don't thinkanything will change. The fringe events in #bett is where it is at

#ukedchat

Biolady99 20:34





@philallman1 #ukedchat if schools get it right, effective

collaboration will benefit more and more schools.

reflectivemaths 20:34 #ukedchat Anyone invited parents to a TM?

ianaddison 20:34@mberry county advisors, I was told not to run meetings as itwould clash with theirs! Truly incredible right? #ukedchat



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tim7168 20:34

@Heatherleatt Brings me back to my earlier point. If centralisation

is harmful to professionalism, why are many anti-academy?

#ukedchat

mikemcsharry 20:34

@philallman1 certainly is - I'll be finalising very soon. #ukedchat

#teachmeetandpie

eylanezekiel 20:34 @philallman1 #ukedchat - umbrella network is a very good idea....

PhaedScho 20:34

@passionateaboot by actually DOING something to demonstrate

your values and convictions about teaching and learning-let people

in #ukedchat

JaneBilham 20:34

@Write_To_Learn:@pschoolsystems Legos in the classroom?

http://t.co/QHppY92r - playdoh also useful For English teaching

#UKEdChat #engchat

rene_koglbauer 20:34 @NatashaCowan agreed. Just written an article on this #UKEdChat

janeconsidine 20:34

RT @eylanezekiel: #ukedchat no point looking to the politicians

and journalists to be 'better'. Teachers can influence families(voters, tax payers) directly

GeorgeEBlack 20:35

RT @NatashaCowan: Bring your parent to school day? Like bring

your child to work but reversed. You'd never get the parents who'd

really benefit tho #UKEdChat

philallman1 20:35

RT @Educationchat: Headteachers need to realise what a powerful

voice they would be if they spoke as one. get in clusters and work

together. #ukedchat

jjash 20:35

@ianaddison letters with stamps end up in a pile to be opened at

the end of term when cleaning up. #ukedchat

davidErogers 20:35

@theotheralig I think that's the key - strong local networks that

also link to wider. #ukedchat

jemimaanderson 20:35 @mberry explain further.... #ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:35

@GeekPeter #ukedchat show them your timeline after tonight's

chat. Or wait for the blog round up. That will convince them of

value

philallman1 20:35

RT @davidErogers: @janbaker97 who we want to target with our

'voice' to me it should be other teachers #ukedchat < ourselves b4

others?

Paddymcgrath 20:35

RT @johnmayo: @Paddymcgrath all lesson plans and resources

should be cc and put on line to crowd source for improvements or

differeication #ukedchat

encompassnow 20:35

@SirBlimelyWindy @passionateaboot I agree with that, plus if you

get on advisory committees for LAs then your voice will be heard

#ukedchat

BobToms100 20:35 @janwebb21 Yep, ground-up :) #ukedchat

Queen_Claire 20:35

Be PROUD to be a teacher. Share the awesome things you do in

your classroom through local media #ukedchat

janbaker97 20:35

@dockers_hoops #ukedchat I agree totally - as I said less business

more education!

ianaddison 20:35

@mberry problem is, if I get banned from using their means of

communication, I can't think how to contact them without usingmail! #ukedchat



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jamesdhobsonuk 20:35

RT @MoreThanMaths: @scholaforis Most people I encounter do

value individual educators, but may also have neg views about

education system in general #ukedchat

mikemcsharry 20:35

RT @johnsayers: @mikemcsharry let's do them in more open

venues to allow Joe Bloggs to see / hear / be intrigued by

#ukedchat


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JCunningham66 20:36

@passionateaboot @philallman1 #ukedchat Also, why don't

schools take 'the lead' on community events, rather than just 'tag

along'!

PhaedScho 20:36

RT @NatashaCowan: Bring your parent to school day? Like bring

your child to work but reversed. You'd never get the parents who'd

really benefit tho #UKEdChat

NuttyA10 20:36@davidErogers @theotheralig How to get those strong local linkswhen schs around close ranks? #ukedchat

jamie_daniels 20:36

@dan_bowen #ukedchat what and where will be best at bett then?

Going on Thursday.

AndreasStace 20:36

@chrisleach78: I'd love to work in a school where every

teacher was EXPECTED to be on Twitter and blog #ukedchat

#rcps

davidErogers 20:36

@philallman1 For sure - there's no point in convincing the world

that teacher rock when some don't. #ukedchat

mattpearson 20:37

To raise status of teaching maybe we could get a large company

like Pearson to sponsor some teaching awards *ducks* . .#ukedchat

davidErogers 20:37

@NuttyA10 Takes ages, but it's worth hanging in there I think (not

that we have achieved much yet) #ukedchat

jamesdhobsonuk 20:37

Influencing policy is difficult because to get into influential position

entails supporting orthodoxy. This has been me at times!

#ukedchat

MoreThanMaths 20:37

@ianaddison @mberry Wow. In Sheffield 'Bring and Share' meet

clashed with advisor/HoD meet 2 yrs ago, no suggestion of

canceling. #ukedchat

berkholibrarian 20:37

@buffyjhamilton yes teacher enforcing definitely the key

#continuity #ukedchat

davidErogers 20:37

@NuttyA10 With our area by getting to individual teachers and

offering support / fun / banter / targeted CPD #ukedchat

NatashaCowan 20:37

@rene_koglbauer I know. Amazing how the press were so negative

in the week and missed the point entirely! #UKEdChat

mberry 20:37

@ianaddison sounds as though your 'advisors' might be 'putting

the ideology of central control ahead of the interests of children'

#ukedchat

ianaddison 20:37

@bevevans22 I suggested an LA blog to share ideas and was told 'it

wasn't my place to suggest such things' #ukedchat

philallman1 20:37 @superdooperal then organise a GM not a TM ;) #ukedchat

mikemcsharry 20:37

re @davidErogers comment - the twitter population is the tip of

the tip of the iceberg #ukedchat

GeorgeEBlack 20:37

RT @AndreasStace: @chrisleach78: I'd love to work in a school

where every teacher was EXPECTED to be on Twitter and blog

#ukedchat #rcps

JCunningham66 20:37@cherrylkd @philallman1 @passionateaboot #ukedchat No theyhave it distributed door to door! Builds #community



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Biolady99 20:37

RT @johnmayo: @Paddymcgrath all lesson plans and resources

should be cc and put on line to crowd source for improvements or

differeication #ukedchat

NuttyA10 20:37

@bevevans22 @ianaddison Blog & share wider or share in

community & how far does it go if embraced at all! #ukedchat

Headteacher63 20:37

RT @TheHeadsOffice: RT @ianaddison: #ukedchat I can share ideaswith people around the globe, yet try and do it within the LA and

there are too many barriers!

Heatherleatt 20:37

Lobby local politicians. Schools/acads still need to engage with LA

as senior officers have contact with DfE and govt ministers

#ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:37

@passionateaboot @jcunningham66 @philallman1 #ukedchat we

do e-newsletter. Wonder how many parents read it now they have

to log on.

TheHeadsOffice 20:38RT @ianaddison: Whatever happens, I will continue sharing nomatter what. It makes sense doesn't it? #ukedchat >Certainly does!

Heatherleatt 20:38

RT @MartindalePaul: Along with teachers, get other respected

people from the local communities & create grass-roots

movement. Educ too political! #ukedchat

davidErogers 20:38

Although tech helps me develop and I love being a geek, I still think

that face to face is the way to build lasting relationships #ukedchat

mikemcsharry 20:38

I introduced twitter to a group of teachers. They heard "Please may

I eat your first born" - twitter is one of many avenues #ukedchat

Lancsjames 20:38

Example of poor teacher/parent communication and collaboration

= 14 months between Y10 + 11 parents eves #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:38

@TheHeadsOffice I was just considered strange anyway. Nothing

to do with my age ;) #ukedchat

philallman1 20:38

So if real effective change is from ground up & we R the cutting

edge 'converted' wht R WE going 2 do abt it? 20 mins left!

#ukedchat

ianaddison 20:38

Whatever happens, I will continue sharing no matter what. It

makes sense doesn't it? #ukedchat

NuttyA10 20:38

@davidErogers Does only work sadly though when local schs want

to work w/ u & schs far apart outside of city #ukedchat

bellaale 20:38

@rachelburden possibly the last thing you want to do on a

Thursday eve with an early get-up tomorrow...but have you ever

followed #ukedchat?

Heatherleatt 20:38

@tim7168 because acads only answer to central govt ultimately.

#ukedchat


Along with teachers, get other respected people from the local

communities & create grass-roots movement. Educ too political!

#ukedchatjohnmayo 20:38 @mattpearson Stirrer ...... #ukedchat



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davidErogers 20:38

@mikemcsharry I agree, there are many great teachers not on

Twitter (nor should they be) and many poor ones #ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS 20:38

How much of what we do is behind closed doors? More public

events etc. look at America College Football n THOUSANDS attend!

#ukedchat

SheliBB 20:38

@norfolkteacher1 @ohlottie @theheadsoffice so I told HTsemphatically that twitter has been the best cpd for me in past 3

years #ukedchat

janbaker97 20:38

@janbaker97 @philallman1 @davidErogers #ukedchat ultimately

it has to be politicians and parents via media I think


As an 'older' twitter person I'm regarded as rather strange by the

LA & other governors! #UKEdChat

norfolkteacher1 20:39

@ianaddison Oh yes! We're all definitely the converted. We do

need to get word out there to others #ukedchat

Biolady99 20:39 RT @TeacherToolkit: @ukedchat @philallman1


RT @ConsultantHead: I'm not even convinced that most people

realise the extent of the imminent profitisation of our entire state

school sector #ukedchat

davidErogers 20:39

@janbaker97 Why should we care what the politicians think? Gove

isn't in my classroom ;-) I do what I like (playing devils ad)

#ukedchat

tim7168 20:39

@Heatherleatt True but are also more autonomous...more

opportunities to lead (and influence) by example maybe?

#ukedchat


I'm not even convinced that most people realise the extent of the

imminent profitisation of our entire state school sector #ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS 20:39

Darlington has a 25,000 sweater stadium! How about an education

open event? Wembley? The Olympic Stadium for any sort of

event? #ukedchat

GeekPeter 20:39

#ukedchat Convincing non-Twitter education staff to join is tricky

as you're trying to get busy people to take up more of their own

time.

philallman1 20:39 @TeacherToolkit so how do we clear the froth? #ukedchat

Smichael920 20:39

@MultiMartin @ianaddison always easier with like minded people.

Our biggest challenges are often with those closest to home!#ukedchat

katemck 20:39

RT @mattpearson: Teachers views have not been heeded by

politicians for 30 odd years. We probably need a new breed of

politician... #ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:39

@JCunningham66 #ukedchat @passionateaboot good idea. Bet

they read it hand delivered

NatashaCowan 20:39 @ianaddison @bevevans22 madness! #UKEdChat

MoreThanMaths 20:39

Yes -> RT @ianaddison: Whatever happens, I will continue sharing

no matter what. It makes sense doesn't it? #ukedchat



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NuttyA10 20:39

RT @PhaedScho: Twitter etc = Pandora's Box - see the Middle East -

openness = collaboration and communication = freedom?

#ukedchat

scholaforis 20:39

#ukedchat. see earlier comments about local collaborations, etc

and each one of us sharing the benefits with a colleague

#getpersonal

philallman1 20:39

RT @bellaale: @rachelburden possibly the last thing you want todo on a Thursday eve with an early get-up tomorrow...but have

you ever followed #ukedchat?

TeacherToolkit 20:39 @ukedchat @philallman1

JCunningham66 20:39

@passionateaboot @cherrylkd @philallman1 #ukedchat Agree,

however, not all households in inner cities necessarily have PC's.

Smichael920 20:40 RT @TeacherToolkit: @ukedchat @philallman1


Books and journals work for many. No compulsory CPD. Twitter

and online learning is not for all. Let teachers decide. #ukedchat

BobToms100 20:40

@JOHNSAYERS Like it. Participation through support (US culture is

great). Need to coach parents... (overexuberance) #ukedchat

barton1875 20:40

RT @ianaddison: Whatever happens, I will continue sharing no

matter what. It makes sense doesn't it? #ukedchat What twitter

was made for Sir

philallman1 20:40

RT @TeacherToolkit: @philallman1: @TeacherToolkit so how

do we clear the froth? #ukedchat

mister_jim 20:40

a new idea - like an effective education system - will be rejected by

the hegemony as it is radically different to existing policy

#ukedchat

philallman1 20:40 @suttonnick you need to follow #ukedchat you will learn loads!

TeacherToolkit 20:40

@philallman1: @TeacherToolkit so how do we clear the froth?

#ukedchat

NuttyA10 20:40

@davidErogers Indeed if they can't see why bother what they

think, just do it anyway! Shows we're inventive! #ukedchat

mikemcsharry 20:40

@johnsayers love the idea of 25,000 sweaters. Awesome.

#ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:40

@passionateaboot @jcunningham66 @philallman1 #ukedchat Imean possibly more read it on a sheet of A4. Not everyone logs

onto sc website

Heatherleatt 20:40 @mattpearson hollow laugh #ukedchat

davidErogers 20:40

@NuttyA10 True, but it's not schools that we need to deal with it's

individuals #ukedchat

JCunningham66 20:40

@passionateaboot @philallman1 #ukedchat Yep. Totally!

Community feel they have open door to 'that lovely school' !

NatashaCowan 20:40RT @ianaddison: Whatever happens, I will continue sharing nomatter what. It makes sense doesn't it? #ukedchat



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RT @mattpearson: I think schools need to explain more frequently

and more rigorously how and why they are teaching. So parents

value this more #ukedchat

mberry 20:40

@jemimaanderson check out what @ade_oshineye says about the

Master: http://t.co/l7kunKR6 #ukedchat

philallman1 20:40


realise the extent of the imminent profitisation of our entire stateschool sector #ukedchat

mister_jim 20:41 @philallman1 ooh, no! I mean our ideas for change #ukedchat

mberry 20:41

@jemimaanderson ... what many of our friends are doing on here

is about developing others' professionalism & thus the profession.

#ukedchat

JCunningham66 20:41

@cherrylkd @passionateaboot #ukedchat Community activities

have increased, facility hiring increased, gym membership

increased. It works..!

davidErogers 20:41@ConsultantHead I agree with you there, but how many teachersdo? #ukedchat

janbaker97 20:41

@philallman1 #ukedchat organise a quango (!) to promote what

we want heard!

dan_bowen 20:41

RT @cherrylkd: @JOHNSAYERS @philallman1 #ukedchat Yes! Get

more enterprise in and business shd help spread positivity about

good teaching & learning

Biolady99 20:41

RT @TeacherToolkit: @philallman1: @TeacherToolkit so how

do we clear the froth? #ukedchat

NuttyA10 20:41

@davidErogers Worked in last LA but this LA even with individuals

not interested, bizarre!! #ukedchat

philallman1 20:41

@mister_jim does that mean you agree with what is happening

now b/c its new? #ukedchat

dan_bowen 20:41

@eylanezekiel: Just convinced my sister to come along to

#TMBETT12 - I know you lot will make her welcome! Brilliant

#ukedchat

GeekPeter 20:41

@ICTEvangelist @MissKMcD Join our #ukedchat on now (until

9pm) - discussion is around making collective education voices

heard :)

davidErogers 20:41

@Heatherleatt Both. I don;t think that engaging with Twitter is an

automatic entry into being a good teacher ness #ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:42

@JCunningham66 @passionateaboot #ukedchat I love it. It's a

good idea.

bevevans22 20:42

@TheHeadsOffice I need to accept that the majority of people find

me a bit strange. Children don't have a problem...#ukedchat

bellaale 20:42

RT @vickitoria35 @mikemcsharry: At every teachmeet - invite

the local press and/or local business leaders #ukedchat

dan_bowen 20:42


and/or local business leaders - let THEM share your great messages#ukedchat



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barton1875 20:42

@davidErogers @Heatherleatt But it helps being with people who

are passionate about their job #ukedchat

davidErogers 20:42

We have started to build relationships with local businesses in

order to prtovide venues #ukedchat

jamie_daniels 20:42

RT @schoolsontap: Ditch infant class size limits, Michael Gove

urged http://t.co/7xtJnjrS | BBC #ukedchat to cheer you all up

bellaale 20:42


matter what. It makes sense doesn't it? #ukedchat

philallman1 20:42 @mister_jim that's ok then! #ukedchat

PhaedScho 20:42

RT @JOHNSAYERS: How much of what we do is behind closed

doors? More public events etc. look at America College Football n

THOUSANDS attend! #ukedchat

dan_bowen 20:42

RT @bevevans22: RT @ianaddison: #ukedchat I can share ideas

with people around the globe, yet try and do it within the LA and

there are too many barriers!

illdoittomorrow 20:42

Many teachers who don't tweet use ict to share. Just look at TES or

primary resources. National VLE anyone? #ukedchat

philallman1 20:42 @janbaker97 who would we get to front it?! #ukedchat

Spencerayres 20:42

Create local networks of engaging practitioners who can create

change in their areas like @MediaEdAssc #ukedchat


RT @janbaker97: @philallman1 #ukedchat organise a quango (!)

to promote what we want heard! >Need that list!

davidErogers 20:42

@NuttyA10 It is strange. A hums specialist sch doesn;t want to

engage with the geog network we are developing #ukedchat

dan_bowen 20:43

RT @mberry: @ianaddison innovating is often about ignoring the

barriers. Creating a culture of innovation is about dismantling

them. #ukedchat

davidErogers 20:43

@dawnhallybone @danbowen I agree with you there Dawn, it's

about taking small steps and making innovation accessible

#ukedchat

tim7168 20:43

RT @Heatherleatt: It shd be compulsory for a Secretary of State for

Education to have been a serving teacher for a minimum period of

time. 5 yrs+? #ukedchat

PCETNetwork 20:43

RT @bevevans22: Half way through tonight's #ukedchat - Topic is

How do we as the real education profs make our collective voice

heard in 2012?

philallman1 20:43

RT @janbaker97: @philallman1 #ukedchat someone the masses

respect & would listen to - Stephen Fry? @stephenfry would you

do it? #ukedchat


RT @davidErogers: You'llsay that I'm obsessed with pubs &cake,

but holding get togethers in pubs and tearooms and having no

agenda #ukedchat

PhaedScho 20:43@davidErogers Yes - maybe in embryonic stages though - what willcome next? #ukedchat



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Smichael920 20:43

RT @mister_jim: a new idea - like an effective education system -

will be rejected by the hegemony as it is radically different to

existing policy #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:43

@ianaddison @PeterSpencer88 It's so infuriating - you feel like

you're banging your head against a brick wall. #ukedchat

mister_jim 20:43

RT @bevevans22: @TheHeadsOffice I need to accept that themajority of people find me a bit strange. Children don't have a

problem...#ukedchat

janbaker97 20:43

@philallman1 #ukedchat someone the masses respect & would

listen to - Stephen Fry?

philallman1 20:43




philallman1 20:43

RT @Educationchat: If Headteachers refused to implement any

govt policy they thought wasn't for the benefit of their children

what could govt do? #ukedchat

davidErogers 20:43

And you'll all say that I'm obsessed with pubs and cake, but holding

get togethers in pubs and tearooms and having no agenda

#ukedchat

NuttyA10 20:43

@davidErogers Yep maths specialists who won't come to a meeting

at our side of LA cause it's too far away but we have to attend!

#ukedchat

Educationchat 20:43

If Headteachers refused to implement any govt policy they thought

wasn't for the benefit of their children what could govt do?

#ukedchat

Heatherleatt 20:43

It shd be compulsory for a Secretary of State for Education to have

been a serving teacher for a minimum period of time. 5 yrs+?

#ukedchat

cherrylkd 20:44

@davidErogers #ukedchat @NuttyA10 that is strange! How can

they call selves hum specs I wonder?

CliveSir 20:44

@SirKenRobinson has a dig at Gove at 18'26" on the School of Life

video http://t.co/qjDssMOY #ukedchat

JCunningham66 20:44

@passionateaboot @philallman1 #ukedchat Part of the package.

Designed internally and professionally, printed and delivered

externally.

HilaryNunns 20:44

@theotheralig @philallman1 cpd/learning collaboration is quite

usual in FE, why not secondary #ukedchat

philallman1 20:44

So last 15 mins everyone 'How do we as the real education profs

make our collective voice heard in 2012?' - how do we go national

#ukedchat


@bevevans22 What are we trying to make people hear our

collective voice say? #ukedchat

NatashaCowan 20:44

@Spencerayres @mediaedassc #UKEdChat local networks are

great buy without funding or expansion, quite often die off. How

do you get gov in?

rene_koglbauer 20:44@NatashaCowan yep. They should have listened to Julie young atschool networks conference in December #ukedchat



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davidErogers 20:44

@barton1875 I agree, but there are lots of those at my school

@PriorySouthsea and my dept @priorygeography #ukedchat

katebook 20:44

'Ditch class size limit, Gove told' Yep, our

futures.

MoreThanMaths 20:44

RT @ConsultantHead: RT @mikemcsharry: At every teachmeet -invite the local press and/or local business leaders - let THEM share

your great messages #ukedchat

mberry 20:44

@chrisleach78 we built it into our NM's job description that he

participate in wider professional networks... #ukedchat

Spencerayres 20:44 #ukedchat



and/or local business leaders - let THEM share your great messages

#ukedchat

dgilmour 20:45

@ianaddison @bevevans22 http://t.co/pOtVo36P started as an LA

site to share ideas, now involves 1000s & seen as essential.

#ukedchat

rene_koglbauer 20:45


matter what. It makes sense doesn't it? #ukedchat


#ukedchat Coming through loud and clear from discussions that

there are better ways of influencing than telling. Is telling

'patronising'?

davidErogers 20:45

RT @AlecWeaver1: @davidErogers you get more done that way

rather in formal meetings >> Indeed we do :-) #ukedchat

mattpearson 20:45

Did 'Educating Essex' help with positive public image of teaching; or

was it designed to do something else? Big Media is important

#ukedchat

mikemcsharry 20:45

@passionateaboot many small businesses seeing benefit of

involvement CSR bumbling along. #ukedchat

PeterSpencer88 20:45 @Heatherleatt couldn't agree more #ukedchat

janbaker97 20:45 @Heatherleatt #ukedchat I so agree! Walk a mile in my shoes....

bellaale 20:45


Education to have been a serving teacher for a minimum period oftime. 5 yrs+? #ukedchat

davidErogers 20:45 @NuttyA10 Nuts isn't it #ukedchat



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PeterSpencer88 20:45





.@Heatherleatt Some ed secs have been teachers but were

accused of being too cosy with the profession! #ukedchat

davidErogers 20:45

@PhaedScho A different social network and place to gather - theinnovators move on and often forget to help those that nd support

#ukedchat

mtiplady 20:45

#ukedchat doesn't help when some misinformed people dont

understand how twitter can b used positively.

mberry 20:45

@chrisleach78 draft master teacher standards say "they engage

with professional networks beyond the school" sounds like

#ukedchat to me.


@mberry The two are intertwined like teaching and learning. TLCs

set own professional agenda rather than it being from outwith.

#ukedchat

bellaale 20:45

RT @Educationchat: If Headteachers refused to implement any

govt policy they thought wasn't for the benefit of their children

what could govt do? #ukedchat

davidErogers 20:46

@mtiplady But is them being misinformed our fault? How

accessible are we to others? #ukedchat

JCunningham66 20:46

@passionateaboot @cherrylkd #ukedchat works cos you also hit

people who are in business, politics, community groups etc etc.


RT @davidErogers: @TheHeadsOffice Our dept meeting will be at a

tearoom on Monday @priorygeography #ukedchat >If there's cake

I'm there!


@bevevans22 there seem to be different strands. But overall

teaching/education needs to be projected positively #ukedchat


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davidErogers 20:46

@TheHeadsOffice Our dept meeting will be at a tearoom on

Monday @priorygeography #ukedchat

tim7168 20:46

@Heatherleatt I'm not really arguing one way or the other, just

interested in other people's views on the matter. #ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS 20:46Look at the success of Comic Relief, Sport Relief.... Schools Relief?Students across the country film for BBC fundraising? #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:46

@reflectivemaths #ukedchat there seem to be different strands.

But overall teaching/education needs to be projected positively

#ukedchat

GeorgeEBlack 20:46

#ukedchat the thing is the students we have now are going to leave

us behind if we don't change and then promote our teaching.


RT @reflectivemaths: @bevevans22 What are we trying to make

people hear our collective voice say? #ukedchat >Ideas in last few

mins

BobToms100 20:47

( @philallman1 ) Don't get cynical, be rational, be creative & fresh,

look for supporters with energy & exp rather thn detractors.

#ukedchat

NuttyA10 20:47

@bevevans22 That we work hard, do incredible work & shouldn't

be working longer and longer hours to cure all ills of society!?

#ukedchat


@mattpearson #ukedchat Vic Goddard and Mr Drew did a great

job in promoting dedicated caring professionals. "educating Essex"

Heatherleatt 20:47

@davidErogers wouldn't say that being on/off Twiiter qualifies

anyone as being a gd/bad tchr, it's what u do in class that counts

#ukedchat

davidErogers 20:47

We have people contacting us and engaging in neotwork as we get

funding in - if there's money then they will come ;-) #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:47

@reflectivemaths To everyone. There is far too much negativity

surrounding education in the UK. #ukedchat

janbaker97 20:47

@TheHeadsOffice @reflectivemaths @bevevans22 #ukedchat that

we are capable professionals doing a damn good job on the whole -

respect us

tim7168 20:47@Heatherleatt Part of me thinks that a more decentralised modelwould get rid of a lot of political bullshit #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:47

Last 15 minutes people. Time to put ideas forward - What are we

trying to make people hear our collective voice say? #ukedchat

MoreThanMaths 20:48

RT @janeconsidine: Do you want to be an outstanding school or a

school that stands out? Promote positive with community &

engage in honest dialogue #ukedchat

rashush2 20:48

@bevevans22 Let us do our jobs! Most of us are quite good

#ukedchat


RT @janeconsidine: Do you want to be an outstanding school or aschool that stands out? Promote positive with community &




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bellaale 20:48

RT @JOHNSAYERS: Look at the success of Comic Relief, Sport

Relief.... Schools Relief? Students across the country film for BBC

fundraising? #ukedchat

GeekPeter 20:48

RT @StuartMaginnis: @mattpearson #ukedchat Vic Goddard and

Mr Drew did a great job in promoting dedicated caring

professionals. "educating Essex"

bevevans22 20:48

RT @barton1875: @davidErogers Its the future, staff meetings inpubs. We wouldn't mind if they went on a bit longer then.

#ukedchat - :)

mberry 20:48

As well as SoS having taught and HMI teaching, much gained

through head *teachers* still *teaching* some of the week.

#ukedchat

NuttyA10 20:48

@dan_bowen @bevevans22 @ianaddison Not helped with primary

either! #ukedchat

philallman1 20:48



engage in honest dialogue #ukedchatphilallman1 20:48 RT @rossmcgill: @philallman1 get the kids on board?

Mad_teach 20:48




barton1875 20:48

@davidErogers Its the future, staff meetings in pubs. We wouldn't

mind if they went on a bit longer then. #ukedchat

Heatherleatt 20:48 @ConsultantHead can only think of Estelle Morris? #ukedchat

headsam 20:48

RT @philallman1: We care, we do wonderful stuff, that its the best

profession in world - if we R allowed 2 do it R way 4 the chn in

front of us! #ukedchat

hobvs 20:48

@Educationchat I really wish they would do this, I think this is the

answer, the time has come. #ukedchat

AntHeald 20:48

@philallman1 isn't that what #purposed has been trying to do?

#ukedchat

rossmcgill 20:48 @philallman1 get the kids on board?

ConsultantHead 20:48 . @thelazyteacher Aren't you following #ukedchat

philallman1 20:48

We care, we do wonderful stuff, that its the best profession in

world - if we R allowed 2 do it R way 4 the chn in front of us!

#ukedchat

DeputyMitchell 20:49

Will we ever see the day when politicians do not have full controlover education? Could the profession take more control? How?

#ukedchat

mattpearson 20:49

@ConsultantHead I would take that as a compliment.... :-)

#ukedchat

ConsultantHead 20:49 @Heatherleatt David Blunkett was an FE lecturer #ukedchat

Heatherleatt 20:49

@tim7168 agree. Areas differ hugely - even within lge LAs. Local

solutions are what's needed. #ukedchat

Biolady99 20:49

RT @StuartMaginnis: @mattpearson #ukedchat Vic Goddard and

Mr Drew did a great job in promoting dedicated caringprofessionals. "educating Essex"



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davidErogers 20:49

@barton1875 Our meeting will probably run over massively on

Monday - but we'll get some great stuff in the bag #ukedchat

NuttyA10 20:49

Let's all English schools boycott all SATs this year and stand up for

what we believe in! #ukedchat

CliveSir 20:49

@SirKenRobinson "Edu is filled politically by ppl who pronounce of

edu but who know nothing about it... one example: Gove"#ukedchat

philallman1 20:49

RT @JCunningham66: @philallman1 #ukedchat using purely a pr

angle, you need to also access the #education briefings via civil

servants. #stayahead of news.

mattpearson 20:49

RT @rashush2: @bevevans22 Let us do our jobs! Most of us are

quite good #ukedchat

Educationchat 20:49

Education needs a better PR person than Gove. Public need to

know how hard the job is, how hard teachers work etc... #ukedchat

philallman1 20:49As a HT is it our responsibility to stand up to the agendas moreforcefully? #ukedchat

NatEdTrust 20:49




mikemcsharry 20:49

@passionateaboot loal press are generally very keen on feel good

local stories #ukedchat Would @TheNewStatsman agree?

tim7168 20:49

@jemimaanderson Coaching does my head in. Either tell me the

answer or don't! #ukedchat

JCunningham66 20:49

@philallman1 #ukedchat using purely a pr angle, you need to also

access the #education briefings via civil servants. #stayahead of

news.


I was mistaken for Mr Drew the other day! @mattpearson

#ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS 20:49

An evening of incredible student production work to raise

awareness for issues close to students hearts to help Britain be

Great #ukedchat

TeacherToolkit 20:49 @philallman1

davidErogers 20:49 @Heatherleatt Too right #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:49

RT @rashush2: @bevevans22 Let us do our jobs! Most of us are

quite good #ukedchat

bobharrisonset 20:49

The purpose of education? e-petition for Commons debate

http://t.co/cdREAZ99 #ukedchat


@tim7168 I also said telling has its place. If you just want to be

told what to do fine but I don't, I want a conversation. #ukedchat

tim7168 20:50

RT @MrChambersRE: If kids are predicted below target, our fault.

Over target, something's dodgy. On target, not challenged

#ukedchat #cantwin #teachers

DepJo 20:50

#ukedchat Helps to have a common purpose. Our Dht network

stick together & work across la's with other Dht networks & ht'sacross the region



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philallman1 20:50

RT @mtiplady: @davidErogers not our fault, not theirs. Loads

assume twitter is another facebook. Need to spread the word.

#ukedchat

Educationchat 20:50

Public assume they know what a teacher's job is as they went to

school. Media doesn't help preaching holidays and early finishes!

#ukedchat

enterprisegran 20:50I love it that @JOHNSAYERS thinks big. We need so many moreteachers like him! #ukedchat

NuttyA10 20:50

RT @davidErogers: Gove isn't in my classroom and we shouldn't do

anything for politicians or ofsted but cos it's the right thing to do

#ukedchat

Lynseystott 20:50

RT @MrChambersRE: If kids are predicted below target, our fault.

Over target, something's dodgy. On target, not challenged

#ukedchat #cantwin #teachers

Biolady99 20:50




bevevans22 20:50

RT @philallman1: As a HT is it our responsibility to stand up to the

agendas more forcefully? #ukedchat

davidErogers 20:50 @bellaale That would be great fun! #ukedchat

bellaale 20:50

RT @CliveSir: @SirKenRobinson "Edu is filled politically by ppl who

pronounce of edu but who know nothing about it... one example:

Gove" #ukedchat

mtiplady 20:50

@davidErogers not our fault, not theirs. Loads assume twitter is

another facebook. Need to spread the word. #ukedchat


RT @davidErogers: @Heatherleatt Both. I don;t think that engaging

with Twitter is an automatic entry into being a good teacher ness

#ukedchat

davidErogers 20:50

Gove isn't in my classroom and we shouldn't do anything for

politicians or ofsted but cos it's the right thing to do #ukedchat

rashush2 20:50

@Educationchat Gove isn't a PR person - he's not on our "side" if

there is such a thing #ukedchat

PSHEsolutions 20:50




Paddymcgrath 20:50

#ukedchat ifwhat we do already is good then why are so manyyoung people year after year neet or leave edu not being able to

read #justsayin

philallman1 20:50

RT @toots2106: @philallman1 @chrisleach78 every teacher is

expected to blog in my school http://t.co/dLQPs0yU #ukedchat

PhaedScho 20:50

John Holt wrote 'Why children fail in school' in the 1960's - shld be

why children succeed #ukedchat

toots2106 20:50

@philallman1 @chrisleach78 every teacher is expected to blog in

my school http://t.co/dLQPs0yU #ukedchat

philallman1 20:50

RT @DeputyMitchell: Will we ever see the day when politicians donot have full control over education? Could the profession take

more control? How? #ukedchat



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berkholibrarian 20:50

@BDAdyslexia: @neilhimself petition to ensure that all are

trained about dyslexia http://t.co/GJ80xNOU #ukedchat

Educationchat 20:50

RT @NuttyA10: Let's all English schools boycott all SATs this year

and stand up for what we believe in! #ukedchat

DepJo 20:51

#ukedchat Have to say as well that the la's in our region have

supported us all 100% in sticking together

NuttyA10 20:51

That our children only have one chance at this school business so

let's make it a good chance! #ukedchat


RT @Educationchat: Education needs a better PR person than

Gove. Public need to know how hard the job is, how hard teachers

work etc... #ukedchat

Educationchat 20:51

RT @hobvs: @Educationchat I really wish they would do this, I

think this is the answer, the time has come. #ukedchat


RT @Educationchat: Education needs Max Clifford! #ukedchat

>Simon Cowell?

Bridgeanne 20:51


realise the extent of the imminent profitisation of our entire state

school sector #ukedchat

mikemcsharry 20:51

I am part of a regular forum - business, chambers,federation,local

council - it took a bit of effort to get education involved #ukedchat

NatashaCowan 20:51




10kmk42 20:51

RT @bobharrisonset: The purpose of education? e-petition for

Commons debate http://t.co/cdREAZ99 #ukedchat

ConsultantHead 20:51 When it's gone, it's gone! @davidErogers #ukedchat

Spencerayres 20:51

@NatashaCowan leading from front to start,creating a voice for

others,believe in your methods as well as your content #ukedchat

Educationchat 20:51 Education needs Max Clifford! #ukedchat

Heatherleatt 20:51

RT @Educationchat: Public assume they know what a teacher's job

is as they went to school. Media doesn't help preaching holidays

and early finishes! #ukedchat

Bectully 20:51

#ukedchat I'm not sure I have got my head round this question. I

intend to inspire and encourage others towards excellence locallyand 1/2

JCunningham66 20:51

@passionateaboot @mikemcsharry #ukedchat Press always like

well written, but always add their own piece. Relationship is the

key.

philallman1 20:51

RT @enterprisegran: I love it that @JOHNSAYERS thinks big. We

need so many more teachers like him! #ukedchat

Heatherleatt 20:51

@ConsultantHead true, I'd forgotten about him - there've been so

many!! #ukedchat

TheHeadsOffice 20:52RT @mikemcsharry: Just had a positive response from local papereditor!! #ukedchat >Perhaps we need to tweet to them all!



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PhaedScho 20:52




Biolady99 20:52

@davidErogers true, but it does keep you well-informed about

current educational issues etc #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:52

RT @MattFothergill: We need a tv channel dedicated to teachers

to circulate best prac, new innov and a bit of word spreading. Ohyes, been done. #ukedchat


@mikemcsharry Well done that sounds really interesting how

often do you meet and do the kids attend? #ukedchat

headsam 20:52

@philallman1: As a HT is it our responsibility to stand up to the

agendas more forcefully? #ukedchat < why we need 2 stand &

work together

Educationchat 20:52

@rashush2 Exactly. But he should be on our side! He should be

bigging up schools not undermining us all. #ukedchat

Heatherleatt 20:52

@Educationchat Anyone who thinks it's. Doddle to teach, whatwith all the holidays etc, should be made to do it for a year.

#ukedchat

mikemcsharry 20:52 Just had a positive response from local paper editor!! #ukedchat

JCunningham66 20:52

@passionateaboot @bellaale @vickitoria35 @mikemcsharry

Future apprenticeships or employees, AND feel good factor !

#ukedchat

MattFothergill 20:52

We need a tv channel dedicated to teachers to circulate best prac,

new innov and a bit of word spreading. Oh yes, been done.

#ukedchat

mtiplady 20:52

@bevevans22 too much negativity in general be it in education,

sports, youth etc etc. Media promotes negativity #ukedchat

Natty08 20:52



#ukedchat

PhaedScho 20:52

YOU have to sleep at night - follow what you believe what is the

right thing to do #ukedchat

mattbritland 20:53




rashush2 20:53

@Educationchat True Thse New Labour ads may have been cheesy

but at least they tried to inspire #ukedchat

Spencerayres 20:53 @mtiplady Mass media promotes negativity #ukedchat

Bectully 20:53

#ukedchat try to create a national voice arguing for a non political

solution to leading schools of all types. MPs rarely skilled teachers.


. I mentioned this a few weeks ago, there have been something like

21 during my career @Heatherleatt #ukedchat

_Lebeautemps 20:53

RT @JamiePortman: RT @tim7168: Read rec by Mick Waters thatOfsted inspectors should be required to teach half a term each

year #ukedchat >> Terrfific idea!



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LawrenceBham 20:53

RT @Educationchat: Public assume they know what a teacher's job

is as they went to school. Media doesn't help preaching holidays

and early finishes! #ukedchat

BobToms100 20:53

Don't believe hype, don't believe press & don't believe the Gove...

is it as simple as that? Don't believe them, believe in urself

#ukedchat

GeekPeter 20:53

@Educationchat #ukedchat Maybe the public are sick of hearinghow hard people work? What is the general public perception of

educators?

davidwebster 20:53

@bevevans22 #ukedchat -message must be to resist/combat

media trend (and political aspiration) to endlessly conflate

education & training..?

NatashaCowan 20:54

@Heatherleatt @educationchat #UKEdChat morally is that fair on

the kids though?! Completely agree with the idea and shadowing

though!!

Heatherleatt 20:54 @Educationchat too true! #ukedchat

tim7168 20:54

RT @Educationchat: @Biolady99 Of course they do - but fed up ofhearing how teachers get long holidays and short working days.

Simply not true. #ukedchat

JCunningham66 20:54

@mikemcsharry #ukedchat as part of #youngchamberuk I am being

asked all the time by schools to get businesses involved. Varies

regionally?

Educationchat 20:54

@Biolady99 Of course they do - but fed up of hearing how teachers

get long holidays and short working days. Simply not true.

#ukedchat


#ukedchat Devil's advocate - does being a teacher mean you have a

good grasp of all things to do with education, inc funding etc?

GeorgeEBlack 20:54

#ukedchat we need to engage with students in the way they know

and get on with it, then point out how well it's working when it

does.

StuartLock 20:54

@davidErogers much easier said than done. Also easy to convince

self it's the right thing #ukedchat

DepJo 20:54 @davidErogers agree! #ukedchat


Gove's job isn't PR for schools and nor is he the leader of education

@Educationchat #ukedchat

DepJo 20:54

#ukedchat We have history of sticking together.Our whole la of

schls boycotted the sats. Every single one even if they disagreed.Solidarity

mberry 20:54

@DeputyMitchell some of Gove's rhetoric says that, but I fear his

actions are speaking louder than his words in this respect.

#ukedchat


@MattFothergill #ukedchat exactly, we need this government to

stop cutting back our resources, and then complain about poor

practice

rene_koglbauer 20:54

@Educationchat completely right. Just been at a meeting where

heads complaining about policies I suggested this to them

#ukedchat



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PhaedScho 20:54

RT @Heatherleatt: @Educationchat Anyone who thinks it's. Doddle

to teach, what with all the holidays etc, should be made to do it for

a year. #ukedchat

Stephen_Logan 20:54

Interesting topic tonight on #ukedchat following the tweets very

good points made.

BobbyCarrot8 20:54

RT @TheHeadsOffice: Teachmeets & twitter etc are great but we

need to convince more HTs to encourage staff to get involved#ukedchat

SheliBB 20:54

@Educationchat our parents (and governors) are often stunned to

see that some of us are still at work after 6. Big misconceptions

#ukedchat

davidErogers 20:54

@Biolady99 True but So does watching the telly and reading the

TES though ;-) #ukedchat

HilaryNunns 20:54

RT @reflectivemaths To everyone. There is far too much negativity

surrounding education in the UK. #ukedchat" often from within!

Heatherleatt 20:54

RT @CliveSir: @SirKenRobinson "Edu is filled politically by ppl whopronounce of edu but who know nothing about it... one example:

Gove" #ukedchat


Politicians not int in the professions voice - will have conv everyone

to academies soon & we'll just be a way of inc profits! #ukedchat

jamie_daniels 20:55

@PeterSpencer88 #ukedchat does rolling out that argument

heighten views of teachers? There they go moaning again....?

Heatherleatt 20:55

@ConsultantHead that many? Why am I not surprised. Great pub

quiz question - who could name them all? #ukedchat


Profession needs positive PR to improve profile/respect/quality &

outcomes. #Gove & limited #natcurr, #teachToTheTest doesn't

help #UKEdChat

JOHNSAYERS 20:55

@enterprisegran is it big think of an evening that involved most if

not all schools? A minute each or 2!? #ukedchat

JCunningham66 20:55

@passionateaboot @mikemcsharry @thenewstatsman #ukedchat

no. Teachers haven't time. It's a more specific role.

Smichael920 20:55#ukedchat whenever press, parents etc visit sch they're always fullof praise for staff & job they do. We need to open the doors more

bevevans22 20:55

5 more minutes to get your voice heard on tonight's #ukedchat.

Any final thoughts you want to share?

Educationchat 20:55

@Biolady99 Well we do get good holidays - but we work in most of

them and we don't get paid for them. #ukedchat

BobbyCarrot8 20:55

RT @JamiePortman: RT @tim7168: Read rec by Mick Waters that

Ofsted inspectors should be required to teach half a term each

year #ukedchat >> Terrfific idea!

ukedchat 20:55 Last five minutes of #ukedchat

rashush2 20:55Also most people think their local school is good while believingthe media that most sch failing... #ukedchat



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Heatherleatt 20:56

RT @TeacherToolkit: Profession needs positive PR to improve

profile/respect/quality & outcomes. #Gove & limited #natcurr,

#teachToTheTest doesn't help #UKEdChat

PhilWheeler1 20:56

Does anyone teach a GCSE ICT course (non vocational) with any

success? Which course(s) are they? #ukedchat #ictcurric

mikemcsharry 20:56

RT @jcunningham66: @passionateaboot @mikemcsharry@TheNewStatsman #ukedchat no. Teachers haven't time. It's a

more specific role.


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PhaedScho 20:57

RT @GeekPeter: #ukedchat Convincing non-Twitter education staff

to join is tricky as you're trying to get busy people to take up more

of their own time.

jamie_daniels 20:57 @dockers_hoops #ukedchat or Suffolk ed?

Biolady99 20:57

@Educationchat yes, for example, my husband works in the food

industry....silly hours for the majority of the year #ukedchat

PhaedScho 20:57

RT @davidErogers: Although tech helps me develop and I love

being a geek, I still think that face to face is the way to build lasting

relationships #ukedchat


.@Heatherleatt Some are extremely easily forgotten - John Patten

anyone? #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:57

@mattpearson Are you suggesting that getting into teaching

should be made more difficult? #ukedchat

TeacherToolkit 20:57 @HistoryGeekUK @educationchat


@Smichael920 by encouraging children to blog about school we

can kill many birds with one stone #ukedchat

JCunningham66 20:57

@passionateaboot @mikemcsharry @thenewstatsman #ukedchat

Position your own HT to be a first port of call for #education

comment locally.

johnmayo 20:58

#ukedchat #edchatie we should not be doing what the finns have

done rather what they are going to do

GeekPeter 20:58

#ukedchat I come back to my post that no one seems to have

noticed. What is the collective message and who is it addressed

to?

mikemcsharry 20:58 there are 3 'handling the media' videos on teachers tv #ukedchat

barton1875 20:58

@johnmayo was the change in Finland driven by politics or the

profession? #ukedchat


Depends on what you want to do - build people up or knock them

down @Educationchat #ukedchat

KevinBrennanMP 20:58

RT @philallman1: @patglassmp @jimpknight @stephentwigg

#ukedchat 2morrow nite might interest U. Real educators wanting

2 hve their voice hrd 8pm Thurs. PlsRT

In2schools 20:58

Been following a busy and idea bustling #ukedchat tonight with

interest, observer rather than participant but lots to think about as

result

Paddymcgrath 20:58

@bevevans22: @mattpearson Are you suggesting that getting

into teaching should be made more difficult? #ukedchat yep

more rigour

GeorgeEBlack 20:58

#ukedchat we are obviously proud of what we do - we just have to

go out and tell the world by whatever means possible.

Heatherleatt 20:58 @ConsultantHead Who? #ukedchat

Biolady99 20:58 @Educationchat i agree with you #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:58RT @tim7168: @bevevans22 I think training definitely needs to bebetter. #ukedchat - Training sounds like a future discussion topic...



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mattpearson 20:58

@bevevans22 not necessarily, just commenting on Finland and

contrasting it with England #ukedchat


#ukedchat Unashamed plug - the MLDP course run by

@the_college is free at the moment take this opportunity before it

costs you thousands s.

millsyblue 20:58

A summary of what I've read this evening... #ukedchat

http://t.co/0Ss0JG1w

AntHeald 20:58

@Smichael920 yes: my brother's a journo who now does some pr

work for a school: he was amazed at good stories that never get

out #ukedchat

Bectully 20:58

@mattpearson #ukedchat YES! Think sabbaticals and chance to

further studies such a significant part of recreating standing of our

profession

PatGlassMP 20:58

RT @philallman1: @patglassmp @jimpknight @stephentwigg

#ukedchat 2morrow nite might interest U. Real educators wanting

2 hve their voice hrd 8pm Thurs. PlsRT

davidErogers 20:58

@StuartLock that is very very true, it's why my approach is to act

then talk about it #ukedchat

bitsy1603 20:59



#ukedchat

johnmayo 20:59

RT @barton1875: @johnmayo was the change in Finland driven by

politics or the profession? #ukedchat >> Don't know but someone

might :-)

NuttyA10 20:59

@mattpearson @Bectully Agreed then more would stick to

profession without burning out. #ukedchat

mberry 20:59

@PhaedScho Holt's How Children Learn came out in 1967, three

years after How Children Fail. Both are still v good, IMHO

#ukedchat

Reesiepie 20:59

Posted this earlier today - perhaps relevant for #ukedchat? What

Americans Keep Ignoring About Finland's School Success

http://t.co/ASDExyPk

GeekPeter 20:59 #ukedchat I think social work has far worse press than education

StuartLock 20:59

@davidErogers someone said do it and seek forgiveness rather

than ask permission then do it. #ukedchat might have been

@thelazyteacher

mattpearson 20:59

@Bectully I believe every teacher should get 1 term of sabbatical

for every 2 years taught. Chance to reinspire themselves...

#ukedchat

NuttyA10 20:59

RT @millsyblue: A summary of what I've read this evening...

#ukedchat http://t.co/0Ss0JG1w

Spencerayres 20:59

@NatashaCowan Agreed, but we have to do, rather than discuss

doing! #ukedchat

mattpearson 21:00

@GeekPeter this is true, when teachers get it wrong kids don't

learn much, when social workers get it wrong kids die :-( #ukedchat



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christoclifford 21:00



#ukedchat

HilaryNunns 21:00

RT @tim7168: @bevevans22 I think training definitely needs to be

better. #ukedchat

Spencerayres 21:00

RT @NatashaCowan: #UKEdChat I think we also need to change the

general perception & value of education. In Asia it is highlyrespected by society, is it here?

Smichael920 21:00

Dead right! RT @PeterSpencer88: @Smichael920 by encouraging

children to blog about school we can kill many birds with one stone

#ukedchat

NuttyA10 21:00

#ukedchat Wow what a fast and good ukedchat tonight. Many

thanks to @ukedchat @philallman1 @bevevans22

@TheHeadsOffice for hosting

NatashaCowan 21:00

#UKEdChat I think we also need to change the general perception

& value of education. In Asia it is highly respected by society, is it

here?

teacherstation 21:00

As a teacher if you could have one wish with your planning what

would it be? #teacherstation #ukedchat

LiamRCarr 21:00

@Bectully We need good, well funded schools it doesnt matter if

we call them academies, free schools or just 'schools' #ukedchat

ukedchat 21:00

It's 9pm. Many thanks to @philallman1 for hosting this #ukedchat

session

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