ukedchat archive session 161

7/27/2019 UKedchat Archive Session 161

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ukedchat Archive 25h July 2013Hosted by @MsFindlater

What is progress? Howcan we achieve it?

08:00:14 @ukedchatIt's 8pm. Time for #ukedchat with @Msfindlater - 'Whatis progress? How can we achieve it?'

08:00:34 @chrishildrew@ukedchat Progress is being better at something thanyou were. How we achieve it? Much trickier! #ukedchat

08:01:04 @MakeMathsMatterA question we ask constantly, of ourselves, our pupils,our lessons etc. problem is there isn't one answer??#UKedchat

08:01:34 @chaloner88@chrishildrew @ukedchat Like that definition ofprogress, Chris. Simple but effective #UKedchat

08:02:24 @MsFindlater

OFSTED say... What s your understanding of this?How can we achieve and show this? #UKedchatpic.twitter.com/S2P1wOFvi8

08:03:29 @jillberry102

#ukedchat Progress to me is about moving forwards.

Encouragement, support and appropriate challengecan help us achieve that.

08:04:16 @chrishildrew

#ukedchat Progress in knowledge seemsstraightforward - they know this now, they didn't then.In skills, also assessable - they are better.

08:04:18 @Miss_was_here

#UKedchat students sometimes don't believe they'vemade progress. Trick is to equip them with the ability totalk about it


#ukedchat real progress - young people becoming

more rounded, grounded, capable adults - is hardest toassess, but most important.


@chaloner88 @chrishildrew @ukedchat often enablingprogress is all about keeping it simple too.@#UKedchat

08:04:28 @ukedchatTonight's #ukedchat tonight again - 'What is progress?How can we achieve it?' with @Msfindlater as host.

08:04:32 @MadameMoodle

#UKedchat Important to stress student starting point.Many feel they've failed bc they haven't reached thatideal finishing point. #growth

08:04:42 @School_LN

Progress is achieved by having a good knowledge ofindividuals academic needs and differentiating to meetthese needs #UKedchat

08:04:52 @michaelrose

Liking #UKedchat definitions of progress. Ofsted seemto want to see that "getting better" in every lesson.Engagement and attitudes vital.

08:04:59 @csf0961@chrishildrew @MsFindlater #ukedchat but how doyou measure progress of understanding

08:05:17 @EmmaMoss74 @Miss_was_here #UKedchat I agree, the pupils

struggle to verbalise their own progress - what tools do

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you suggest?

08:05:27 @tammiie_@ukedchat Progress is taking a little step forwardstowards achieving a giant leap #ukedchat


#Ukedchat progress in lessons can be s-l-o-w. we

shouldn't panic if it is. Help kids keep the big picture inmind.


@MadameMoodle teaching the learning journey withall it's ups and downs is very important to promoteprogress. #UKedchat

08:06:04 @MsFindlaterTop tips for assessing progress in a lesson?#UKedchat

08:06:16 @evgenymilyutin

progress: making lots of mistakes -> making lessmistakes -> making no mistakes -> new challenge

#UKedchat


@michaelrose plenty of blogs have exploded the mythof "progress in a lesson" - here's my fave:http://dailygenius.wordpress.com/2013/02/12/the-myth-of-progress-within-lessons/ #ukedchat @kevbartle


@chrishildrew Is it straightforward, though Chris? Isknowing it the same as fully understanding it?#ukedchat

08:07:18 @School_LN reflection is key #UKedchat

08:07:47 @Miss_was_here #ukedchat since i started to learn to drive I haveseriously re-thought my views on progress and nowhave profound empathy with kids :)

08:07:50 @Magicfullstop

Progress is all about the starting point? Do we need tomake sure that progress is more than just distancetravelled. #ukedchat


@csf0961 @MsFindlater #ukedchat agreed, this istough to quantify in any "test" but teachers can tell youin a lesson who has "got it".

08:08:23 @cherrylkd

Progress is the difference between a starting point andcurrent position I believe eg start of KS to end of KS#ukedchat

08:08:35 @MsFindlaterTopic tonight is Progress, what is it and how can weachieve it? #UKedchat

08:08:48 @EmmaMoss74

@MsFindlater #UKedchat Pupils can tell you what theycan do now that they couldn't do before...but aspreviously said, not all can do this!

08:08:57 @JamesTheo@chrishildrew "more rounded, grounded" is alsosubjective #ukedchat

08:09:31 @chrishildrew @cherrylkd yes - but in what? #ukedchat Are we

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measuring the right things?

08:09:54 @MakeMathsMatter

@School_LN #UKedchat Yes - unfortunately achallenge to execute and reason for the widening gulfbetween outstanding and inadequate teachers

08:10:31 @aknill #ukedchat progress is individual and should not beused as a stick as not a linear process.


@Miss_was_here Yes - really good to learn thingswhen you're a teacher. Makes you realise it's acomplex process! #ukedchat

08:10:59 @School_LN@MsFindlater a template I use for assessing progressin a lesson #ukedchat pic.twitter.com/7Vq0EnwmsA

08:11:23 @csf0961

@chrishildrew @MsFindlater that is so true but how doyou ensure that inspectors are aware of this - sadly

that is the key thing #ukedchat


Q is how do we assess progress in attitudes andopinions. Rather than skills and knowledge, sometimesthat the only progress made #ukedchat


@JamesTheo #ukedchat and laden with valuesystems, ideologies and prejudices. Dangerousbusiness, education!

08:13:49 @BMS_MrHarrold

#ukedchat progress is movement, distance fromstarting point - in essence how much better are younow than you were.


#UKedchat @EmmaMoss74 Hi. Shared learning +progress words+phrases are v powerful. 'Where are weon our journey?' 'my next steps are' etc

08:14:18 @MsFindlater@EmmaMoss74 is it important to teach them how todo this? Beneficial to them or us? #UKedchat

08:14:22 @Riggers2Progress has to be measured over time and triangulateall information. #UKedchat

08:14:35 @JamesJMatthews

Progress is what schools should be measured against -not attainment. Children with low attainment may havemade HUGE progress! #UKedchat

08:14:47 @BMS_MrHarrold#ukedchat progress also never linear, and the processis reliant on multiple factors.


@csf0961 @MsFindlater #ukedchat very sadly. Ensurethe conversations happen explicitly in lessons - "welldone, I can see you've got that"


@MadameMoodle #UKedchat Starting points - yes.Observed many lessons with great potential that werejust inappropriately aimed at pupils

08:15:58 @violetjo3010 @aknill agree! I believe we should look at key

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landmark moments for a pupil - will be different fordifferent kids surely #ukedchat


When do we measure the progress? End of lesson?End of term? End of Keystages? Does it matter?

#UKedchat08:16:12 @cherrylkd

Progress in a single lesson is achieving LO. This isdifferent to progress over a given time. #ukedchat

08:16:17 @incensu

#UKedchat Have you joined @MiddleLeaders yet? ForHoDs, HoFs, HoYs, ASTs and aspiring middle leaders.RT to invite colleagues.


@chrishildrew @JamesTheo Yes, but SO fascinating!If it were easy it wouldn't be nearly so satisfying!#ukedchat

08:16:59 @BMS_MrHarrold #ukedchat progress over time much more importantthan progress over an hour. Needs to be deep learning- there in 6 months time and secure

08:17:59 @violetjo3010

@JamesJMatthews yes! It needs to be an individualmeasure for each pupil. The journey travelled!#ukedchat


#Ukedchat @MohammedSidat hard if we're beingobserved, don't you think? When the Big O were in aknow I was too anxious re progress


Is progress the same as learning? We can measurelearning at the end of the lesson but is progressdifferent? #UKedchat


#ukedchat Once students discover the intrinsicmotivation and satisfaction ofworking/solving/improving,they're hooked as learners.

08:17:35 @csf0961

@chrishildrew @MsFindlater #ukedchat but how dorecord that so that you can demonstrate this progressis cumulative

08:17:47 @MsFindlater@chrishildrew @csf0961 perhaps the students andother students benefit from this? #UKedchat

08:18:15 @incensu

#UKedchat Look out for 'Question of the day', 'Tip ofthe day' and 'Recommended company of the day' at@MiddleLeaders. Come and join in.

08:18:36 @aknill@BMS_MrHarrold #ukedchat agree secure progressover time. Help pupils identify next steps.

08:18:45 @violetjo3010

#UKedchat so how DOES ofsted measure / expect tosee progress in a 20min snapshot of a lesson? #ofstedany inspectors out there??

08:18:49 @jillberry102 @chrishildrew I like the idea of thinking & then

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rethinking to reach deeper understanding. Reallyimportant but diff to measure. #ukedchat


"@BMS_MrHarrold: #ukedchat progress also neverlinear, and the process is reliant on multiple factors."

Agree!

08:18:59 @cherrylkd

@chrishildrew Mostly we're doing as we're told &measuring core subjects. More important things in lifeespecially for SEN #UKedchat

08:19:07 @Winstanley_John

@Magicfullstop good question, also is single point intime measurement, relying on end of a keystage agood measure? #UKedchat

08:19:18 @cherrylkd@BMS_MrHarrold oh yes, of course. Pointless LOotherwise #UKedchat

08:19:22 @MadameMoodle @Magicfullstop #UKedchat Not necessarily. % mark"progress" in scores but HOW the material ispresented/created will demonstrate learning.


@BMS_MrHarrold does progress in a lesson mount upto progress over time? Is it just different progress?#UKedchat


@MsFindlater #UKedchat possibly more for us but stilluseful for them to clarify their learning andunderstanding within the lesson.

08:20:36 @A_Weatherall

#ukedchat it's the rate of change ofdevelopment/learning we should be interested inmeasuring. That's the progress.


@csf0961 @MsFindlater depends what you'reassessing - but holistic assessment of portfolio atregular intervals should work. #ukedchat

08:20:49 @MsFindlater Progress within a lesson - myth or reality? #UKedchat


@chrishildrew @JamesTheo Yes - I love the idea ofbeing supported to be 'your best self' - pupils and staffand leaders too. #ukedchat

08:20:59 @violetjo3010

@cherrylkd @chrishildrew yes!So important to parentsof #sen pupils as they care about the whole child notjust academic mileposts #ukedchat

08:19:07 @Magicfullstop"Sustained progress overtime" how is this observed ina twenty minutes observation? #ofsted #UKedchat

08:19:18 @MadameMoodle#ukedchat Learning is demonstrated via originalproduct from a student- not rote regurgitation.


@MsFindlater progress within a lesson is real &possible - but not the be all and end all. Must be

sustained over time. #ukedchat

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"@MsFindlater: Progress within a lesson - myth orreality? #UKedchat" interesting - not sure i dare answer!

08:19:47 @violetjo3010@BMS_MrHarrold then why does progress within the

lesson feature in so many observations?? #ukedchat

08:20:31 @thingsbehindsun

Do pupils develop greater subject knowledge? Canthey apply this knowledge to solve problems? Testthem; do they understand? #UKedchat


@MsFindlater of course it's a reality, but it's not what'simportant in the long run. Progress over long termmore important #ukedchat


@violetjo3010 @cherrylkd not just #sen - we shouldcare more about the whole child for all children!

#ukedchat


@MsFindlater I actually think you CAN see it if youreally focus/look for it, but sustainable progress overtime much more imp. #ukedchat

08:21:49 @MsFindlater @Miss_was_here DO IT! #UKedchat


@Magicfullstop #UKedchat all of the above! It's aconstant the variable is the method and the snapshottaken.

08:22:20 @Riggers2@MsFindlater Reality if it contains a Eureka moment?#UKedchat

08:22:34 @thingsbehindsunTry to measure pupil progress against individualcapability, not against overall targets #UKedchat


It's a myth that Ofsted are looking for progress in the20 minute observation. And a dangerous one at that#ukedchat

08:23:02 @MadameMoodle@JamesJMatthews AMEN!! #ukedchat ( chiming infrom California, where it's noon on Tursday)

08:23:09 @MsFindlater @A_Weatherall inextricably linked? #UKedchat08:23:48 @MsFindlater @Riggers2 we all love a eureka moment! #UKedchat

08:23:51 @JamesTheo

@Magicfullstop They don't observe "sustainedprogress overtime" in a lesson. They look for evidenceof it. #ukedchat


@chrishildrew @MsFindlater Spooky - I just typed'sustainable progress over time' before I read Chris'stweet. Twilight zone. #ukedchat


#ukedchat because it encourages us to think of waysof demonstrating progress, in our lessons rather thanhow to develop the learning?

08:24:32 @Magicfullstop @JamesTheo and what would that look like?

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#UKedchat


@Magicfullstop #UKedchat Love this Q! Is this thedifference between progress in a lesson and overtime?Sound so similar but unfortunately

08:24:46 @JamesTheoThis. "@A_Weatherall It's a myth that Ofsted arelooking for progress in the 20 minute observation. Anda dangerous one at that #ukedchat"


#ukedchat @MsFindlater progress in lesson can bestaggeringly accelerated or NOT and God knows this isNORMAL!


@thingsbehindsun @MsFindlater Yes - progressshould be about how you compare with your formerself, not compare with others. #ukedchat

08:25:10 @cherrylkd @violetjo3010 @chrishildrew #UKedchat Very true.Again, this is true of all children but more so for thosewho struggle

08:25:17 @i2iPartnershipi2i Partnership web page is now live! Pls take a look &RT http://www.i2ipartnership.co.uk #UKedchat #sltchat


Worth referring to @kevbartle's evidenced demolitionof the myth of progress within lessons here:http://dailygenius.wordpress.com/2013/02/12/the-myth-of-progress-within-lessons/ #ukedchat


As I've said before, the thing is: progress is a vectorand attainment is a scalar. http://a-weatherall.tumblr.com/post/44246289745/discussing-the-current-draft-proposals-for-the-new #ukedchat[1/2]


@A_Weatherall is it beneficial to other student perhapsnot making that progress to SEE the progress that ispossible? #UKedchat

08:26:06 @School_LN

@MsFindlater progress in a lesson is the start of anunderstanding that then needs to be embedded#UKedchat

08:26:12 @TeamTait

@MsFindlater Here's how I assessed progress using atarget and some post it notes http://www.edutait.com/?p=339 #ukedchat


@chrishildrew Agree - we've struggled for some timenow with balancing what's meaningful and what'smeasurable. #ukedchat


Who on earth said progress was an 'OFSTED thing'?Shame on them! What was progress before everyone

attracted the 'O' word to it? #UKedchat

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.@MakeMathsMatter I'm interested in the evidence ofsustained progress over time and how this isevidence/checked in a lesson? #UKedchat

08:27:46 @Miss_was_here@MsFindlater #ukedchat went a bit capital letter

crackers there :-/ Sorry08:27:49 @BMS_MrHarrold @A_Weatherall love it! #UKedchat


What I mean by that is that the direction of learning ismost important. And that's what should be measured#ukedchat [1/2]

08:28:00 @tmeekyIdeally progress should be measured in terms of theprocess/effort, not just the end product #ukedchat

08:28:02 @JamesTheo

@MakeMathsMatter @Magicfullstop The only thing wecan really measure in a lesson is performance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMixjUDJVlw #ukedchat

08:28:09 @Riggers2

Interesting DfE can't define starting point for exp. levelsof progress from KS2 in '13. Is Eng KS2 levelPSG/Reading/combination? #UKedchat

08:28:48 @Sheffield68

The Benefits of #BYOD for m-Learninghttp://zite.to/18BQMxv #engagingstudents #edtech#ukedchat

08:28:51 @Winstanley_John

@MakeMathsMatter yes, discussion highlights thedifference between understanding, measurement,progress and timespan - interesting #UKedchat


@Magicfullstop @MakeMathsMatter I think this ispossible if you make it clear what (as a subject) thecore capabilities are #ukedchat

08:29:29 @School_LN@JamesTheo @Magicfullstop and this is where qualitymarking with dialog comes into it. #UKedchat


@Magicfullstop @MakeMathsMatter in books/folders,on class data (should be available in each lesson), inspoken interactions. #ukedchat

08:29:37 @JamesTheo

@Magicfullstop Discussion with pupils, looking throughbooks, quality of teaching and learning, observingperformance. #ukedchat


@cherrylkd @chrishildrew #UKedchat Are you sayingprogress is academic?? Yes its measured/trackedmore but progress in ALL areas matters


@MsFindlater Am old enough to have started teachingbefore Ofsted was a twinkle in anyone's eye and wetalked about progress then! #ukedchat

08:30:26 @BMS_MrHarrold @Magicfullstop @MakeMathsMatter and then consider

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how these can be shown through task design withinlesson #UKedchat

08:30:29 @cherrylkd

@violetjo3010 @BMS_MrHarrold That's mostly downto SLT. Ofsted ask for 'progress over time' rather than

within a lesson #UKedchat


@MsFindlater I'm not saying don't do it, but it's not arequirement. As someone else said, progress in lessonmoving through SOLO, #ukedchat


.@School_LN @JamesTheo totally agree - qualityresponsive marking in pupils books is so important#UKedchat

08:30:46 @JamesTheo @School_LN @Magicfullstop Yep. #ukedchat


For our new joiners, we are discussing progress

tonight. What is it and how can we achieve it?#Ukedchat

08:31:02 @tmeeky

I think a lesson has value-add rather than progress ...what value has the lesson had on the students...#ukedchat

08:31:10 @cherrylkd

@MakeMathsMatter @chrishildrew No! I'm sayingthat's what it often comes down to and it shouldn't#UKedchat


@MakeMathsMatter @cherrylkd no no - we weresaying that we have more important things than justacademic progress to worry about! #ukedchat


@chrishildrew Yes - it's about our preparing them forthe challenges & experiences they'll have in the rest oftheir lives. #ukedchat

08:32:34 @SENConsultancy#ukedchat Just catching up. Progress is workingtowards achieving: a target


@thingsbehindsun direction of learning: up, steepergradient usually better, though sometimes canprogress too fast. [1/2] #ukedchat


@tmeeky love that idea! What value has the lessonadded...that's more nuanced than progress. Nice one!#ukedchat

08:33:09@HeadDownEyesUp

@aknill #ukedchat Really agree. Progress is not linear.Nor should we expect it to be.


Is academic progress most important or are there otherareas of progress we should be thinking of?#UKedchat


How do we assess non academic progress?

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@thingsbehindsun #UKedchat Again understandingthe starting points of the individuals not just the classfrom target. Knowledge not number!

08:34:12 @tmeeky

Progress can't be forced, only facilitated. Progress

more likely to happen when pressure for progresstakes a back seat #ukedchat

08:34:32 @SENConsultancy#ukedchat in #Sen have overall objectives/targets thatgoes across all subjects. Monitor all small steps


@thingsbehindsun trouble if progress was shallow ordeclining over long term, over short term maybe ok[2/2] #ukedchat.


@Magicfullstop through behaviour tracking, "soft" dataon attitudes & engagement with learning, through

interviews & discussion #ukedchat08:35:40 @SENConsultancy

@Magicfullstop #ukedchat easily. Ask any SENteacher. We do it all the time

08:35:51 @MsFindlater@tmeeky love this idea. All in the planning andpreparation. Covert progress. #UKedchat


@tmeeky Do you think that teachers just have tocreate a climate within which progress is possible - if itcan't be forced? #ukedchat

08:36:32 @cherrylkd

@tmeeky True #ukedchat Progress is different for all.Huge effort by some results in little progress over timebut is 'outstanding' 4 them

08:36:53 @School_LN

@MsFindlater The Eureka moment fits the spiritualaspect of SMSC. I recognise and promote that asprogress #UKedchat

08:37:08 @thingsbehindsun

.@MakeMathsMatter using relevant data +professional judgement to determine capability. Pupilslike being treated as individuals! #UKedchat

08:37:31 @ICTmagic

One of my favourite blogs on the subject of progressionis by @kevbartlehttp://dailygenius.wordpress.com/2013/02/12/the-myth-of-progress-within-lessons/ #ukedchat


@MsFindlater academic progress is critical - thebottom line for opening doors in the future - but it's notthe whole picture. #ukedchat

08:37:55 @ScienceTVRadio

You are watching Science club (8pm BBC2) aren't you(sorry distracted by #ukedchat) - review later.#ASEchat

08:38:01 @DrChips_ Progress could be an increased enjoyment of a subject

or the 'lighting of a spark'. Harder to measure perhaps,

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thankfully. #UKedchat


How much of a part do the right, skills focused, lessonobjectives play a part in attaining and assessingprogress in a lesson? #UKedchat

08:38:31 @Miss_was_here#UKedchat good to keep an eye out for progress in lotsof diff areas, not just the academic. Helps studentsprepare to be decent citizens


@MsFindlater #UKedchat Indeed - I hate it when I hear"we don't do APP" seriously! Measuring progress is notnew!!


@chrishildrew @MsFindlater Agree - schools have aresponsibility to help learners achieve the best theycan academically (& more). #ukedchat

08:39:23 @A_Weatherall @thingsbehindsun Absolutely, it is a soundbite, toremind us what's important. What graphs do you use?What do you measure? #ukedchat


@MsFindlater objectives are critical to set theparameters for what you are measuring against. Notjust in lessons but over time. #ukedchat

08:40:26 @MsFindlaterTopic of choice tonight is progress. What is it and howcan we achieve it? #UKedchat

08:40:41 @franloxley

@MsFindlater helps students to demonstrate theirprogress in a lesson or over a number of lessons, cansee the learning journey #UKedchat


@MsFindlater absolutely crucial to it. Also crucial toAFL - which is futile if objectives not set correctly#UKedchat

08:41:26 @tmeeky

RT @MsFindlater: Topic of choice tonight is progress.What is it and how can we achieve it?> this topic is aindiv as each studt #UKedchat

08:41:53 @aknill#UKedchat LOs need to be clear and show how todeepen understanding

08:42:21 @SENConsultancy#ukedchat Measuring outcomes from the objectivesstates progress

08:42:42 @tammiie_

@jillberry102 @tmeeky absolutely! We want children towant to progress rather than feel they have to becausethe teacher says #UKedchat


@MsFindlater It's hard to gauge whether you've gotthere if you don't know where you were going in thefirst place! #ukedchat

08:43:21 @MsFindlater @chrishildrew have been reading practice prefect by

Douglas Lemov so been mulling this over in detail.

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08:43:45 @JamesTheo@DrChips_ I think it is dangerous to conflate 'progress'with 'enjoyment'. #ukedchat

08:43:53 @School_LN

@MsFindlater I'd say clearly defined success criteria

play more of a role in measured progress than thelesson objective. #UKedchat

08:44:23 @tmeeky

@SENConsultancy: #ukedchat Measuring outcomesfrom the objectives states progress> assuming theoutcomes, obj and measures are fit 4 purpose

08:44:36 @jillberry102@tammiie_ @tmeeky So it's all about motivation,maybe? #ukedchat

08:44:28 @JamesTheo

@MsFindlater Sarah, we really need to stop talkingabout 'progress in a lesson'. We are perpetuating a

dangerous myth. #ukedchat08:45:06 @MsFindlater

@BMS_MrHarrold some teachers scoff at AFL - that isa shame. It is an amazing tool! #UKedchat

08:45:14 @SENConsultancy#ukedchat just ask my child how does he know he'sprogressed in a lesson. Needs to think about it.

08:45:34 @BMS_MrHarrold @School_LN @MsFindlater same thing? #UKedchat

08:45:58 @tmeeky

@jillberry102: @tammiie_So it's all about motivation,maybe? > motivation (from purpose, owenrship, interstetc HAS to b the start #ukedchat

08:46:04 @chrishildrew @JamesTheo @MsFindlater progress in a lesson isfine - possible, achievable, helpful. But it's not the mostimportant thing. #ukedchat


@MsFindlater SOLO allows teachers to develop andstudents to see progress into learning outcomes#ukedchat

08:46:36 @MsFindlater @School_LN linked? #UKedchat

08:47:19 @chrishildrew@JamesTheo @MsFindlater nor is it what the big Oare looking for. #ukedchat


@MsFindlater been discredited when used ineffectively- definitely part of the process, but used carefully andplanned for! #UKedchat

08:47:34 @tammiie_

@jillberry102 @tmeeky I think motivation plays a bigpart They may not always progress but they won't giveup at the first hurdle #UKedchat

08:47:36 @MsFindlater @JamesTheo just asking the questions. ?? #UKedchat


#ukedchat This discussion is really making me think,and rethink some things. I'm making progress??? Gdnot to be inflexible in our thinking

08:47:39 @MsFindlater How do you know progress has taken place? What do

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you look for? #UKedchat

08:47:40 @cherrylkd

@chrishildrew @JamesTheo @MsFindlater If we keepsaying it enough times people may believe it. It's not anOfsted thing #UKedchat

08:47:48 @JamesTheo@chrishildrew @MsFindlater I disagree. It isimpossible to measure and NOBODY is asking us tomeasure it... #ukedchat

08:47:51 @ukedchat

15 minutes remain of #ukedchat. We are discussingprogression. Did you know that there is a UKedchateveryday @8pm (except Sundays)? Pls RT

08:47:59 @TeamTait

If you're enjoying #ukedchat tonight, use myinfographic on 'Twitter Chats' to get more of yourcolleagues involved http://twitpic.com/d4ngyi

08:48:02 @aknill #ukedchat having seen NC levels split and possiblygoing, how do others model progress? I increasinglyuse #solotaxonomy.

08:48:08 @JamesTheo

@chrishildrew @MsFindlater ...except perhaps SLTswho have misappropriated Ofsted's guidance.#ukedchat

08:48:10 @SENConsultancy#ukedchat intesting chat with my child. Knows in somesubjects what meant to be achieving but not in all.

08:48:12 @KerryPulleyn@chrishildrew @JamesTheo @MsFindlater why doeseveryone think that's the case, I wonder? #UKedchat

08:48:15 @JamesTheo

Yep. "@cherrylkd: @chrishildrew @JamesTheo@MsFindlater If we keep saying it enough times pplmay believe it. Not an Ofsted thing #UKedchat"

08:48:19 @kevbartle

#UKedchat Not trying to promote my blog but all I haveto say about progress is in here.http://dailygenius.wordpress.com/?s=Myth+progress+&submit=Search #learningnotprogress

08:48:31 @School_LN

@BMS_MrHarrold @MsFindlater objective,to draw ahouse, which would be better? we need successcriteria to measure #UKedchat

08:48:40 @damianainscough

#ukedchat Have you seen @York_Sciencehttp://www.yorkscience.org.uk ? All about embeddingformative assessment in a subject + uses backwarddesign.

08:48:42 @jillberry102@MsFindlater The spark in the eye sometimes!#ukedchat

08:48:48 @MakeMathsMatter @MsFindlater #UKedchat Satisfaction and pleased

understanding faces :-) its not just about providing fun

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activities to increase motivation

08:48:56 @MsFindlaterPractical advice for enabling your students toprogress? #UKedchat


@MsFindlater can my students confidently achieve

what I set out in my l/o's and importantly, do they knowWHY they are doing it! #UKedchat


@KerryPulleyn @JamesTheo @MsFindlater mytheory? When SLTs simplify Ofsted criteria for T&L to asingle-lesson tick sheet. #ukedchat

08:49:24 @LisaFarrell3

@aknill @MsFindlater me too! Students like#solotaxonomy- it's clear and easy to use to showprogress. #ukedchat

08:49:27 @SubleadICT

A great deal of willingness to share new

computing/computer science resources! #ukedchat#uked

08:49:30 @TeamTait

@MsFindlater Carefully constructed success criteriahelps students understand when they are makingprogress in lessons #ukedchat

08:49:32 @JamesTheo@KerryPulleyn @chrishildrew @MsFindlater ...themyths that hold us in fear and under stress. #ukedchat

08:50:01 @tmeeky

We need to use measures carefully-what?, why?, whodevised etc.I assess my girls' development+ignore theschl measures + i teach #ukedchat

08:50:08 @BMS_MrHarrold@School_LN @MsFindlater I think that wouldn't be agood objective! #UKedchat

08:50:12 @drmattoleary

@JamesTheo @chrishildrew @MsFindlater. Important2 hold onto your pedagogic principles & challengeOfsted rather than just comply #ukedchat


@MsFindlater I use l/o's as a checklist for students andthey can either tick as they achieve or colour in - green,orange or red #UKedchat

08:50:43 @cherrylkd

It's all down to SLT. Need to change the wording from'progress' in a lesson observation to LO achieved ornot. #ukedchat

08:50:46 @aknill

@LisaFarrell3 @MsFindlater #ukedchat i aminvestigating how #solo became so central in NZ andwhat could UK learn from this?

08:50:47 @LibWithAttitude

RT @ukedchat 15 mins remain #ukedchat. We arediscussing progression. Did you know that there is aUKedchat everyday @8pm (except Sundays)?


@MsFindlater tackle barriers to learning - whatever

they may be. #UKedchat

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08:51:03 @cherrylkd@kevbartle #UKedchat Your post has had tons or RTsKev :))

08:51:09 @damianainscough

#ukedchat Knowing what progression looks like andbeing flexible and responsive to assessment outcomes

so that the assmt is truly formative

08:51:12 @tmeeky

RT @MsFindlater: Practical advice for enabling yourstudents to progress?>spport, understnd,encourage,believe... #UKedchat

08:51:17 @davidhunter

The raspberry pi special my son and I just made!#ukedchat what do you think?pic.twitter.com/6kLJAl5tyd

08:51:37 @JamesTheo

@drmattoleary @chrishildrew @MsFindlater But O'sguidance is pretty sound. It's when guidance is interp.

by schools we have probs. #ukedchat08:51:48 @MsFindlater

@aknill @LisaFarrell3 interesting, I dipped my toe inbut couldn't love it. Any adivce? #UKedchat

08:52:06 @Jivespin

Progress Champions - getting students to talk aboutprogress in your lessons http://wp.me/p3pzMr-j#ukedchat

08:52:08 @aknill@cherrylkd #ukedchat id LOs not achieved SMARTfeedback easier to do.

08:52:12 @MakeMathsMatter@cherrylkd #UKedchat So progress can't be madeunless an objective is achieved???

08:52:15 @tmeeky

@drmattoleary: @JamesTheo @chrishildrew@MsFindlater hold onto your pedagogic principles &challenge Ofsted> have self belief #ukedchat

08:52:20 @KerryPulleyn

@JamesTheo @chrishildrew @MsFindlater absolutelythe right thing, but sometimes it can put a lid onpotential learning - #UKedchat

08:53:28 @School_LN@BMS_MrHarrold @MsFindlater only had 111characters hope you got my point. #UKedchat

08:53:29 @KerryPulleyn@JamesTheo @chrishildrew @MsFindlater especiallyin English when themes can be complex. #UKedchat


@MsFindlater Help them feel it's a safe environment inwhich they can have a go. Establish +ve relationships& build trust. #ukedchat

08:53:49 @cherrylkd@aknill Yes. I agree with that. #UKedchat Better thanwhat we have now.

08:53:51 @davidhunter#ukedchat the raspberry pi with its 'guardian angel'looking after it on top! pic.twitter.com/dAhIXVUlQz

08:53:53 @damianainscough . @cherrylkd Hi C. An issue with that may be the

*extent* to which it is achieved. 'Achieve' needs

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defining. See @York_Science #UKedchat


This: RT @jillberry102: Help them feel it's a safeenvironment in which they can have a go. Establish+ve relationships & trust #ukedchat

08:54:40 @TynanPG"@davidhunter: The raspberry pi special my son and Ijust made! #ukedchat what do you think?pic.twitter.com/Yo8gX30Z8d" Great?Air Server? Leo:)


My blog on progress.http://msfindlater.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/progress-in-lessons.html More to come following tonicsdiscussion! #UKedchat

08:54:49 @JamesTheo

How about a #ukedchat where we all agree on thedamaging myths in education and then agree to stop

perpetuating them?


@MsFindlater @aknill @LisaFarrell3 #UKedchat Alsonot a great fan. Unfortunately behaviour can be a hugebarrier.

08:55:36 @ukedchat

Just 5 minutes of #ukedchat remain. Final thoughts?You can continue the discussion after 9pm on theforum at http://ukedchat.com/forum-2/ukedchat-topics/what-is-progress-how-can-we-achieve-it/

08:55:51 @chrishildrew@JamesTheo good luck on getting "we all agree" - butit's a #ukedchat I'd like to be part of!

08:56:08 @Ezzy_Moon@ukedchat #ukedchat final thoughts? Progress issubjective to the observer and the learner

08:56:38 @tmeeky

RT @YanoParenting: BBC News - Teacher pay 'shouldhave performance link' http://bbc.in/14GNDxi#ukedchat

08:56:39 @cherrylkd@damianainscough @York_Science Will do.#UKedchat

08:56:42 @shaun_allisonThings that have made me think this yearhttp://classteaching.wordpress.com/ #ukedchat

08:56:44 @drmattoleary

@JamesTheo. Ok, here's one myth to start you off,Ofsted have an important role to play in improving T &L #ukedchat

08:56:50 @MsFindlater Final thoughts please... #UKedchat

08:57:15 @davidhunterWe all progress, don't we? Diff people at different rates#ukedchat

08:57:36 @JamesTheo@chrishildrew I'll start with "progress in lessons" andthe labelling of "outstanding teachers". #ukedchat

08:57:52 @ukedchat Two minutes of #UKedchat remain - Got more to say?

Check out the forum @ http://ukedchat.com/forum-

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08:58:15 @School_LN@BMS_MrHarrold @MsFindlater unfortunatelymisinterpreted by many #UKedchat

08:58:25 @oldandrewuk#ukedchat Problem with "progress" being shown inobservations is how arbitrary the judgement of whetherit is enough is.


#UKedchat Been a easier to participate. Lookingforward to reading all the tweets/links at leisurere:progress.

08:58:47 @LisaFarrell3

@MakeMathsMatter @aknill @msfindlater with rightgroup they really 'get' how they make progress. Helpsthem be more independent! #ukedchat

08:59:25 @aknill #ukedchat if interested in #solo as a possibility get intouch - all age groups, all subjects considered.

0.37809 @JamesTheo

@drmattoleary I dislike Ofsted as much as the nextteacher, but I also believe they we need to beregulated. #ukedchat

08:59:29 @MsFindlaterThank you one and all. Happy #UKedchat night. Greatchat tonight.

08:59:49 @ukedchat

Join @ICTmagic for next week's #ukedchat. See thepoll at http://ukedchat.com/poll/ . Interested in hosting?Contact @UKedchat for more details.

09:00:07 @educatedmaths ukedchat ?@ukedchat 5m

09:00:59 @ukedchat

It's 9pm. Huge thanks to @Msfindlater for hostingtonight's #ukedchat. The archive will be athttp://ukedchat.com/2013/07/25/session-161/ soon.

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