ukedchat archive 16 september 2010
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username time status
dailydenouement 19:55:00
May be more of a watcher/lurker than active participant in
#ukedchat tonight. Am recovering from a day-long migraine so
head's a bit fuzzed!
dawnhallybone 19:56:00 cat is settling in for #ukedchat too http://yfrog.com/msoalgj
Joga5 19:57:00one minute to go before we start the boys and girls discussion in
tonight's #ukedchat
ianaddison 19:57:00RT @colport: 5 minutes until #ukedchat with @Joga5 - Interesting
Boys V Girls Learning debate
ForesterJo 19:58:00 #ukedchat - interesting topic!
simcloughlin 19:58:00 Tweets unprotected! #ukedchat
Joga5 19:58:00So the question is What is different between the ways in which boys
and girls learn? Does it really matter? #ukedchat
didactylos 19:59:00#ukedchat it certainly matters, for many years I firmly believed the
orthodoxy we were all equal, no longer do i believe that
Joga5 19:59:00Shall we start with five minutes of setting of personal views on the
differences first and then move on to strategies? #ukedchat
didactylos 19:59:00#ukedchat guess we are going to be talking about maturity, culture,
gender and sociological differences
katie_hague 20:00:00I think difference must matter given consistent analysis that shows
gender gaps in performances of particular subjects. #ukedchat
Joga5 20:00:00@didactylos was there one incident or experience which brought
about the change in view #ukedchat
DuncanTigerHero 20:00:00
@Joga5 thanks - look forward to it. #ukedchat, Boys are silly and
immature, unorganised. Girls are a distraction but all are individuals
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MrsThorne 20:03:00
#ukedchat We've got a big discrepancy in girls/boys performance at
GCSE: approaching 20%. Suggests only 1 in 3 of our boys get 5+ A*-
C, BAD!
Joga5 20:03:00@kvnmcl but is that difference a norm of society that they learn
from what they experience in class? #ukedchat
DeputyMitchell 20:03:00I find that the boys I teach engage probably better than the girls! Is
that because I'm the only man in the village? #ukedchat
cjs76 20:03:00#ukedchat very general, but girls appearing more reluctant to take
risks and make mistakes.
TheHeadsOffice 20:03:00@squiggle7 @Joga5 Expectations can play such a big part in any
learning #ukedchat
deerwood 20:03:00 @kvnmcl but isn't that just gender stereotyping #ukedchat
squiggle7 20:03:00if there are differences in learning there are most likely differences
in male/female teaching methods #ukedchat
cloud_burst 20:03:00maturity is a major factor, a lot of boys seem to take longer to
become independent learners #ukedchat
colport 20:03:00I feel sorry for boys who are in school full of females. They need a
positive male role-model ;-) #ukedchat
tonycassidy 20:03:00RT @didactylos: #ukedchat key question is mentally are there clear
differences in female/male approaches, or is there a spectrum?
ForesterJo 20:03:00#ukedchat - IMO younger boys need to be a lot more physical active
and would appear to show more obvious competitive streak
deerwood 20:04:00Is there not a pygmalion risk here .. if we believe boys and girls learn
differently, then that's what we see? #ukedchat
DeputyMitchell 20:04:00 I'm talking Primary school (last tweet!) #ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:04:00 @kvnmcl Glad I'm not a tom boy! #ukedchat
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bevevans22 20:04:00
@kvnmcl @ForesterJo Boys are very competitive. Also many seem
to prefer hands on /visual learning, girls like to talk things thru
#ukedchat
Sport_ed 20:04:00
From my experience, generally boys respond well to competition-
making this controlled and meaningful can be excellent motivator
#ukedchat
simcloughlin 20:04:00
@didactylos Not sure. I've found that some treat me very differently
to female teachers, even though I'm not remotely "blokey"
#ukedchat
DeputyMitchell 20:04:00If there were more male teachers than female, would the problem
be reversed? #ukedchat
DuncanTigerHero 20:04:00
#ukedchat Generally boys love competition, and kinaesthetic
activities. Girls tend to like language. But girls fly under my radar
#ukedchat
didactylos 20:04:00@Joga5 #ukedchat no I came through the battle for equality in the
60's and 70's now realise we are all differently equal!
cleverfiend 20:04:00I think the home life can affect pupils' relationships with teachers -
lack of a male/female role model varies family to family #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:05:00
@DeputyMitchell @colport We've got very few male teachers but
boys seem to respond to me okay. Is it because of the tech?
#ukedchat
dawnhallybone 20:05:00boys / girls - they are all children who have their own learning needs
regardless of what 'sex' they are #ukedchat
colport 20:05:00@DeputyMitchell No...I think girls respond positively to the male
figures at school as well #ukedchat
familysimpson 20:05:00Giving #ukedchat a miss tonight as just back from LONG day
travelling. Started at 4am. Bleh. Wine! Enjoy!
kvnmcl 20:05:00
@deerwood from my percieved objective it's apparent,that's from
two different cultures Spain and England. There's crossover
#ukedchat
tonycassidy 20:06:00I think its difficult to talk about groups, it's too complex, what works
for one, will not for another #ukedchat
kvnmcl 20:06:00
@Joga5 It could be, I don't stereotype in class but you do see it
happen as the children get older, patterns develop #ukedchat
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DeputyMitchell 20:06:00But IMO girls react in a very positive way to boy led initiatives.
#ukedchat
MrsThorne 20:06:00
RT @DuncanTigerHero Generally boys love competition, and
kinaesthetic activities. Girls tend to like language #ukedchat <--
Agree
Joga5 20:06:00
RT @TheHeadsOffice: Expectations play a part when it concerns the
gender of the teacher. Male is considered to be more active
#ukedchat
cjs76 20:06:00#ukedchat are boys more susceptible to a lack of a father figure.
How do girls cope in comparison?
katie_hague 20:06:00
@didactylos #ukedchat I think that depends how they're taught.
Looking at trad approaches, probably yes but if using range of
approaches,no!
TheHeadsOffice 20:06:00Expectations play a part when it concerns the gender of the teacher.
Male is considered to be more active #ukedchat
Joga5 20:07:00OK first question? Do girls in primary schools ever experience 'girl
friendly texts' in literacy? #ukedchat
Cgeo28 20:07:00#ukedchat - we trialled an all boys class and an all girls class at Year
9 in our mixed sec school. I didn't like the class dynamic
stevebunce 20:07:00
#ukedchat met an NQT today who I taught 10yrs ago. He was
trouble in school,but his older sister an angel. He was always
compared with her.
TheHeadsOffice 20:07:00 @simcloughlin Describe 'blokey' please! #ukedchat
didactylos 20:07:00
#ukedchat are the labels girl and boy too simplistic? Research now
suggests we all have proportions of female and male to our
characters
bevevans22 20:07:00@dawnhallybone You're right of course, but there are differences -
maybe it's more a maturity thing #ukedchat
dawnhallybone 20:07:00topic of cars and Karting based on F1 engaged both boys and girls -
good to see role of women in perceived male envt #ukedchat
NSRiazat 20:07:00
@deerwood Yes agree #ukedchat - belief and expectations. If we
emphasise difference then can we can expect to see a difference ingender?
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amweston 20:07:00
RT @dawnhallybone: boys / girls - they are all children who have
their own learning needs regardless of what 'sex' they are
#ukedchat
Joga5 20:07:00@didactylos but some more differently equal than others? !!!
#ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:07:00@DeputyMitchell I don't think the problem would disappear, it
would be a different problem! #ukedchat
dawnhallybone 20:08:00I am female - but played and coached rugby and football at
school/uni and I like to talk things through :) #ukedchat
squiggle7 20:08:00@Joga5 have done 'girl-friendly' texts before but really turned boys
off. #ukedchat
amweston 20:08:00@dawnhallybone agree I think sometimes society continues the
myth #ukedchat
didactylos 20:08:00@katie_hague yes maybe one size fits all is one end of the
spectrum, where true personalised learning is the other #ukedchat
colport 20:08:00
http://bit.ly/aeqDQh #ukedchat "Growing no. prim schls have no
male teachers, prompting fears that boys could be put off edu at
young age"
KnikiDavies 20:08:00#ukedchat Our MAST says in maths boys learn rules "it works cos it
does",girls need to fully understand to "get" how the method works.
TheHeadsOffice 20:08:00RT @deerwood: Is there not a pygmalion risk here .. if we believe
boys and girls learn differently, then that's what we see? #ukedchat
Cgeo28 20:09:00 #ukedchat - in my experience boys prefer fieldwork and LOTC
katie_hague 20:09:00#ukedchat In terms of progress, I've always had better results with
boys than girls. Could be due to tech but do get more out of boys.
colport 20:09:00
@deafdotty @bevevans22 It is a real challenge...but can understand
why many males do not want to go into primary teaching.
#ukedchat
simcloughlin 20:09:00
@TheHeadsOffice The teacher that runs the football team, chats to
the boys about sport etc. That sort of thing. #ukedchat
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KnikiDavies 20:10:00@Joga5 #ukedchat Firework Maker's Daughter - +ve female role
model?
KnikiDavies 20:11:00#ukedchat How do we improve boys' writing? Talk for writing -
drama - any other ideas that have worked? case studies?
katie_hague 20:11:00RT @scholaforis: Personally I'd go for personalised learning - one
size fits none #ukedchat . totally agree!
Cgeo28 20:11:00RT @didactylos: #ukedchat think age also has significance, moving
into secondary the 'courtship' displays intrude severely >>agree!
TheHeadsOffice 20:11:00@colport If boys have no male teachers how does that equate with
being put off? What about excellent female teachers? #ukedchat
colport 20:11:00Has anyone ever come across a 'boys only' primary school?
#ukedchat
deafdotty 20:11:00 @colport yes so can I - bit of a catch 22 #ukedchat
didactylos 20:11:00 @Joga5 #ukedchat exactly.... lol
tobyholman 20:11:00Are boys less mature than girls or perceived to be? Stereotyping can
be useful in places, but dangerous in others #ukedchat
marketspi 20:12:00@KnikiDavies I find the opposite with high achieving girls- they just
want to learn "the method", especially with maths #ukedchat
colport 20:12:00@TheHeadsOffice I am talking about a minority, who show a clear
distain towards females generally. #ukedchat
KnikiDavies 20:12:00
#ukedchat Some of what we are talking about here I think is more
to do with personality types a la Myers Briggs/Jung - rather than
boy/girl
bevevans22 20:12:00
If we assume there are no differences between boys & girls then
why are many behaviour units boy heavy? Same with autistic units.
#ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:12:00
@simcloughlin Ah! Blokey! So, what is it about you that the boys
like & engage with? #ukedchat
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Catriona_O 20:12:00@scholaforis #ukedchat is what we need to discuss personalised
learning here?
colport 20:12:00@primarypete_ I would disagree. There are boy pupils who react
completely different to me, than my female colleagues. #ukedchat
Joga5 20:12:00 @TheHeadsOffice Didn't say we should!!!!! #ukedchat
amweston 20:12:00@Catriona_O Also a balance of different teaching styles to meet the
various learning styles #ukedchat
cjs76 20:12:00#ukedchat do social stereotypes create boundaries? Surely there is
no practical reason why there are less female engineers?
Joga5 20:13:00
RT @Mr_Thorne: regardless of gender, good progress is dependent
on the high expectations set by the classteacher, male or female
#ukedchat
dawnhallybone 20:13:00 we have used games to engage all writers #ukedchat
ForesterJo 20:13:00@bevevans22 likewise in Forest school-boys respond aswell as girls-
seems scope for all the chdn 2 learn their preferred style #ukedchat
Mr_Thorne 20:13:00regardless of gender, good progress is dependent on the high
expectations set by the classteacher, male or female #ukedchat
primarypete_ 20:14:00@colport think you're putting yourself down if think is mainly due to
ur gender. It's your rapier wit and engaging personality #ukedchat
scholaforis 20:14:00@ForesterJo now is that because it child initiated learning?
#ukedchat
dughall 20:14:00@colport Between the age of 8 and 11 I was in a boy-only class
(Private school). #ukedchat
Sport_ed 20:14:00From teaching all boys groups-engagement at the start of the lesson
vital-competitive starter activities excellent #ukedchat
KnikiDavies 20:14:00
@marketspi #ukedchat I used to be just that way myself at A level
maths. Didn't care how you work out sin30, just tried to memoriseit.
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tobyholman 20:14:00 @ianaddison The fear? #ukedchat
MrsThorne 20:14:00@KnikiDavies I've had most success with boys' writing when it's got
a creative element to it: storytelling in History, for eg #ukedchat
dughall 20:14:00 I'm late! Soz #ukedchat
didactylos 20:14:00#ukedchat are there some classes where the differences are greater
than others - just had a classic yr 5 today where it was very clear
squiggle7 20:14:00Anyone watching the Gareth Malone series on atm? Very interesting
experiment with boys #ukedchat
Catriona_O 20:14:00@bevevans22 there is a much higher chance that a male baby will
develop a disability than a female #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:14:00
@primarypete_ @colport Maybe it depends on area. Our boys have
very few male role models & crave attention from a male teacher
#ukedchat
ICTtower 20:14:00 @katie_hague Have had exact opposite result! #ukedchat
ianaddison 20:14:00Why aren't there more make primary teachers? Is it the workload or
the wages? Something else? #ukedchat
mark_wood 20:15:00
RT @bevevans22 Maybe it depends on area. Our boys have very
few male role models & crave attention from a male teacher
#ukedchat
marketspi 20:15:00
@bevevans22 is it because they suffer more from rules in school,
can't express emotions well? I don't know the answer btw!
#ukedchat
Joga5 20:15:00@dughall typical boy - comes late and apologises in slang!!!!!
#ukedchat
DianneSpencer 20:15:00
RT @simcloughlin: The teacher that runs the football team, chats to
boys about sport etc. #ukedchat >>Very sporty female teacher in
our sch.
carolrainbow 20:15:00
@colport Not caught up yet but I think the relationship between
teacher & pupil is key influence in progress regardless of gender#ukedchat
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TheHeadsOffice 20:16:00@ianaddison I had to make sure my male staff were aware of how
vulnerable they could be #ukedchat
freedman69 20:16:00 #ukedchat girls tends to gather more group momentum than boys
ForesterJo 20:16:00RT @scholaforis: @ForesterJo now is that because it child initiated
learning? #ukedchat Yes but also cos nature of teaching outside
DianneSpencer 20:16:00RT @katie_hague: #ukedchat In terms of progress, I've always had
better results with boys than girls. >>>Does this concern u Katie?
Arakwai 20:16:00
#ukedchat Have taught single sex classes in a mixed school. Feel
both genders benefit from being more able to target teaching style
to needs
altrudrama 20:16:00@mark_wood Agreed. Think male role models are so important
across all key stages. #ukedchat.
dughall 20:16:00 @Joga5 LOL!!!!!! #ukedchat
Cgeo28 20:16:00#ukedchat - does peer pressure affect boys more than girls in
school?
JfB57 20:16:00We are saying things like boys initiatives are competition, maths,
instant rewards. If we think girls don't like them is it us? #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:16:00
@Catriona_O I'm aware of that (have a disabled son & grandson)
but there must be something in it, & some behaviours develop later
#ukedchat
KnikiDavies 20:16:00
RT @MrsThorne: @KnikiDavies I've had most success with boys'
writing when it's got a creative element to it: storytelling in History,
for eg #ukedchat
freedman69 20:16:00Vital to maintain equal academic expectations for boys and girls
#ukedchat
colport 20:16:00@bevevans22 Indeed. It is so plain to see with some pupils (girls as
well) #ukedchat
KnikiDavies 20:16:00
@MrsThorne #ukedchat Great point, I also had great results with
boys writing "historical fiction" of their choice, eg story set in Romeetc
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dughall 20:16:00@ianaddison IMO, lack of male pri teachers is cos of the perceptions
around 'caring' professions cf nursing #ukedchat
Joga5 20:17:00RT @CHAR0ULA: boys are more easy going and casual about
learning #ukedchat >>> sometimes this can be a front though
mark_wood 20:17:00#ukedchat as a male teacher I do sometimes feel I'm bias towards
choosing more 'boyish' topics
aiafrate 20:17:00 late to #ukedchat sorry ;)
TheHeadsOffice 20:17:00
When I became a HT, the parents had to be shown that I could do
the job. They felt I was missing certain bits to be successful!
#ukedchat
DianneSpencer 20:17:00
RT @dawnhallybone: need for male role models in school same as
need for females in computing and engineering etc #ukedchat >>I
agree Dawn!
colport 20:17:00 @DeputyMitchell #ukedchat ;-)
SkoorBttaM 20:17:00@ianaddison Could it be the amount of times you get called 'miss'
each day?!! The new class are getting better :) #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:17:00
@marketspi I don't know the answers either. It could be an
emotional thing (although some girls are prone to bottling things
up) #ukedchat
CHAR0ULA 20:17:00 boys are more easy going and casual about learning #ukedchat
ForesterJo 20:18:00
RT @freedman69: #ukedchat girls tends to gather more group
momentum than boys - doesn't change when we get older for a lot
of us too!
Joga5 20:18:00@TheHeadsOffice was once informed in a govs meeting by Chair
that "we would be appointing a man for the next job!!" #ukedchat
Ideas_Factory 20:18:00#ukedchat Why have I got a 'sponsored' tweet always at the top of
my page-anyone else :^(
DianneSpencer 20:18:00
RT @colport: Has anyone ever come across a 'boys only' primary
school? #ukedchat >>Yes but only in the private sector
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aangeli 20:18:00'The Trouble with Boys' http://www.teachers.tv/videos/the-trouble-
with-boys #ukedchat
KnikiDavies 20:18:00
#ukedchat I'm generalising but I tend to find in literacy boys write to
"get the job done", girls more keen on improving- to please
teacher?
Cgeo28 20:18:00RT @CHAR0ULA: boys are more easy going and casual about
learning #ukedchat >> or like to make out that they are!
carolrainbow 20:18:00@ianaddison I think it is a lot to do with wages - it is hard to
envisage keeping a family and mortgage on primary pay #ukedchat
carolrainbow 20:19:00
@ianaddison May also be to do with stereo typing & history, girls
deal with small children. Lots of young men don't mix with young
#ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:19:00RT @Cgeo28: #ukedchat - does peer pressure affect boys more than
girls in school?>Depneds in what. Need to be seen to be cool
marketspi 20:19:00@Ideas_Factory yes! Finally got rid of darn thing! But don't know
how! #ukedchat
russellhawker 20:19:00
Males also have higher standard deviation of IQ >>@bevevans22
...higher chance that a male will develop a disability than a female
#ukedchat
dughall 20:19:00@Arakwai If teaching single-sex addresses different learning needs,
why not teach only by ability groups or learning style? #ukedchat
MrsThorne 20:19:00@SkoorBttaM If it makes you feel any better I get called Sir all the
time :) must be my husky tones #ukedchat
tonycassidy 20:19:00We live in a World with both sexes, shouldn't we be developing all
gender 'traits' /'strengths' #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:19:00
RT @Cgeo28: #ukedchat - does peer pressure affect boys more than
girls in school? <-- good point - maybe it's just a different peer
pressure
KnikiDavies 20:20:00
#ukedchat Do you think blogs would be very good for improving
boys' writing - writing needs to be good as will be read by wide
audience?
freedman69 20:20:00
#ukedchat too many stereotypes persist regarding gender divide in
education. Gd teaching benefits b+g. Don't concentrate on learningstyles!
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Mr_Thorne 20:20:00
RT @carolrainbow: @colport Not caught up yet but I think the
relationship between teacher & pupil is key influence in progress
regardless of gender #ukedchat
dughall 20:20:00
Girls: "Can we have another lunchtime session to help us talk
through the problem?' Boys: "Can't we shake on it and play footie?"
#ukedchat
bevevans22 20:20:00
I also think there can be clear differences in maturity when you have
summer-born boys - makes development differences obvious
#ukedchat
didactylos 20:20:00
@Cgeo28 #ukedchat in secondary boys are more likely to appear
disinterested in the lessons, but privately many work hard late at
night alone
missbrownsword 20:20:00there is such concern about engaging boys in reading and writing
that no one writes for girls any more which is a shame #ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:20:00Is there more of the 'need to be seen to be cool' with girls in
secondary than primary? #ukedchat
colport 20:20:00@dughall I would like to see a boys only school in action - How do
their structure their curriculum? #ukedchat
ianaddison 20:20:00My teacher training course started with 15guys and ended with 4. I
was only one under 40! #ukedchat
katie_hague 20:20:00
@DianneSpencer Partly, though I've had more underperforming
boys arriving in my class than girls, so more scope for good progress.
#ukedchat
KnikiDavies 20:21:00
@missbrownsword #ukedchat I write (sci-fi) for girls! Trouble is
agents say it doesn't fit their list! Girls read boy books but not
v.versa!
didactylos 20:21:00@TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat thonk there's more of a studious
versus good time girl split in secondary
helenmew 20:21:00
Strong acad evidence innate gender differences real but small;
gendered society + peer pressure reinforce/drive difference
#ukedchat
squiggle7 20:21:00@KnikiDavies I'm hoping so. This was one reason for starting school
blog. #ukedchat
DeputyMitchell 20:21:00
We've a group of underperforming girls. Call them our 'Gel Pen
Girls'!!! Tidy, neat, smiley & if not careful stay under the radar!#ukedchat
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Joga5 20:21:00@missbrownsword they do write for girls but the books are not
always as well advertised - some great stuff out there #ukedchat
DianneSpencer 20:21:00#ukedchat Has anyone counted the number of tweets with the word
*boy* in compared to the word *girl* ???
ICTtower 20:21:00When giving examples, would be useful if we mentioned KS or
pri/sec please #ukedchat
aiafrate 20:21:00
feel I'm not getting as much from the girls in the class as boys need
to rethink my strategies to make them want to participate
#ukedchat
missbrownsword 20:22:00we have lots of those also! RT @DeputyMitchell: We've a group of
underperforming girls. #ukedchat
janwebb21 20:22:00@DeputyMitchell #ukedchat - my equivalents giggle and smile
instead of answering a question fully!
TweeterofWit 20:22:00
RT @freedman69: #ukedchat too many stereotypes persist
regarding gender divide in education. Gd teaching benefits b+g.
Don't concentrate on learning styles!
bartoneducation 20:22:00Boys love competition, girls love cooperation. Difficult to manage
both in classroom. #ukedchat
helenmew 20:22:00How do we avoid playing reinforcing stereotypes that may be linked
more to self-perpetuating peer pressures? #ukedchat
SkoorBttaM 20:22:00@MrsThorne Haha! At first it's a bit worrying but then you get used
to it. The best ones are when you get called 'mum'!! #ukedchat
Joga5 20:22:00OK so we seem to have come to a form of consensus that there are
differences -shall we move onto strategies for a while? #ukedchat
DianneSpencer 20:22:00#ukedchat I am a bit confused about topic? Is it about the
differences between boys and girls and their learning?
DeputyMitchell 20:22:00@bevevans22 I was born late spring!!! Would explain alot!! lol
#ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:22:00
@KnikiDavies Theory that boys are better suited to exams - short &
over / girls to course work. Any 2dary teachers confirm? #ukedchat
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sellyeve 20:22:00Good practise for teaching boys usually is good practise for all.
#ukedchat
cleverfiend 20:22:00
it's interesting seeing the difference between boys and girls in BTEC
Science - girls respond better to coursework/project apprch
#ukedchat
bekios 20:22:00@aiafrate I find middle ability girls like to blend into background
#ukedchat
marketspi 20:22:00#ukedchat boys are more likely to exclaim loudly "this is too hard,
not doing it!" then when class is unsettled they secretly work on it.
dughall 20:22:00@colport I don't think the curriculum would/should be structured
differently. A curriculum should be a preparation for life. #ukedchat
missbrownsword 20:22:00@KnikiDavies I will try and answer that when I've finished my
dissertation! #ukedchat
janwebb21 20:22:00@ianaddison I had opposite prob when I did my degree - I was the
only girl on my course!! (not a teaching one - did PGCE) #ukedchat
colport 20:22:00@primarypete_ @carolrainbow I still maintain there are *some*
boys who react different to male tchers. No matter what! #ukedchat
Cgeo28 20:22:00#ukedchat - in diverse city schools cultural background also plays a
part in the differences
ICTtower 20:23:00@KnikiDavies Would love to read some! Where can I get hold of
some? #ukedchat
janwebb21 20:23:00 @carolrainbow #ukedchat absolutely agree @colport
didactylos 20:23:00
@TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat boys are motivated by last minute
deadlines and spurts of effort, girls work the long haul (30 yrs in
secondary)
curricadvocate 20:23:00 #ukedchat do ALL boys love competition??
colport 20:23:00
Does any1 understand what Gareth Mal is trying to achieve in his
prog? What about the negative attitudes from the female teachers?#ukedchat
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bevevans22 20:23:00RT @ianaddison: My teacher training course started with 15guys &
ended with 4. #ukedchat <-That says something. Not sure what!
Catriona_O 20:23:00
#ukedchat I think boys approach under pressure is different -1 of
spectrum- I think with pay differentials no matter how hard girls
try....
carolrainbow 20:23:00@colport Is it really male teachers or just different teachers?
Personality can make a huge difference too. #ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:23:00 @Joga5 THat's clear then! What was your response?#ukedchat
bekios 20:23:00
RT @missbrownsword: there is such concern about engaging boys in
reading and writing that no one writes for girls any more which is a
shame #ukedchat
dughall 20:23:00@ianaddison I was one of 10 male trainees on a course of 140
#ukedchat
ICTtower 20:24:00
I agree. RT @colport: @primarypete_ @carolrainbow I still maintain
there are *some* boys who react different to male tchers.
#ukedchat
Arakwai 20:24:00@dughall #ukedchat Can't decide if the kinesthetic science group
would be my idea of heaven or hell ;-)
Catriona_O 20:24:00@carolrainbow the male teachers just being there as role models as
an argument is going nowhere. #ukedchat
primarypete_ 20:24:00
RT @Joga5: OK so we seem to have come to a form of consensus
that there are differences -shall we move onto strategies for a
while? #ukedchat
KnikiDavies 20:24:00@bartoneducation #ukedchat What about working in groups of 4?
Competition between groups but cooperation within group.
marketspi 20:24:00@bartoneducation how about when the class works in groups, mark
groups on criteria, incl collaboration, best group wins? ;) #ukedchat
didactylos 20:24:00@sellyeve #ukedchat good point the passive learning delivery has
worked with most girls simply because they tolerate it
TheHeadsOffice 20:24:00
Where do parent attitudes & expectations come into play?
#ukedchat
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colport 20:24:00
@DianneSpencer #ukedchat can go off on a tangent sometimes. I
have just mentioned Gareth's TV programme, as that looks at
learning #ukedchat
ForesterJo 20:24:00
@dughall I also think a curriculum should be structured around
celebrating who we are now! not always prep for later on -
#ukedchat
bevevans22 20:24:00So...what clear differences do people implement in teaching styles
and activities to get all engaged????? #ukedchat
dawnhallybone 20:24:00RT @Cgeo28: #ukedchat - in diverse city schools cultural background
also plays a part in the differences - agree big part
aiafrate 20:24:00
RT @DeputyMitchell: 'Gel Pen Girls'!!! Tidy, neat, smiley & if not
careful stay under the radar! <<yes! Know quite a few of those
#ukedchat
DrAshCasey 20:24:00@tonycassidy do kids select the traits that society values and aspire
to them...we need to change society #ukedchat
KnikiDavies 20:24:00@sellyeve #ukedchat Yes, we've said whatever we put in place to
improve boys' writing is almost certain to help the girls too!
bartoneducation 20:25:00RT @Joga5: I told him that I had seen plenty of poor male teachers
and we should look for quality first and penis second!! #ukedchat
dughall 20:25:00
@ForesterJo Fair comment. However, I would still maintain that
whether we had *all* girls or *all* boys, curriculum would be same.
#ukedchat
KnikiDavies 20:25:00
RT @ForesterJo: @dughall I also think a curriculum should be
structured around celebrating who we are now! not always prep for
later on - #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:25:00I'm going to be controversial. My stepson told me he tried not to act
'too clever' at school as it wasn't cool #ukedchat
DeputyMitchell 20:25:00@ianaddison We had 4 male trainee teachers on my course of 150.
Just terrible!!! #ukedchat
didactylos 20:25:00 @DrAshCasey #ukedchat ah well if that's all we have to do...grins
mark_wood 20:25:00
#ukedchat in a class of 24 there were only 6 girls, is this an issue?
Would u find this an issue? It is unfair to the children?
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Joga5 20:25:00I told him that I had seen plenty of poor male teachers and we
should look for quality first and penis second!! #ukedchat
curricadvocate 20:25:00#ukedchat so how do we turn these differences, percieved or actual
into positive actions in the classroom?
missbrownsword 20:25:00no, lots fear failure so hate it RT @curricadvocate: #ukedchat do ALL
boys love competition??
MrsThorne 20:26:00
@bartoneducation Managed a good competition/cooperation Y10
History lesson this week but it was a bit of a rollercoaster!
#ukedchat
helenmew 20:26:00
RT @ForesterJo: @dughall I also think a curriculum should be
structured around celebrating who we are now! not always prep for
later on - #ukedchat
dughall 20:26:00 @Arakwai Ha ha! :-) #ukedchat
JfB57 20:26:00RT @bevevans22: So...what clear differences do people implement
in teaching styles and activities to get all engaged????? #ukedchat
curricadvocate 20:26:00@mark_wood i don't think it is - you just have to consider how to
use the strengths of the minority grouping to advantage #ukedchat
janwebb21 20:26:00 @bevevans22 too true #ukedchat
sellyeve 20:26:00although a generalisation boys perhaps more inclined to 'cut up
rough' if lessons v. passive #ukedchat
KnikiDavies 20:26:00@mark_wood #ukedchat Such a small number of either gender is
def going to limit friendships!
dukkhaboy 20:26:00
#ukedchat I teach at a sec mod girls school. There's a HUGE mix of
preferred learning styles in front of me each lesson Let's not
generalise
Cgeo28 20:27:00 #ukedchat - boys better at giving cover teachers the run around!
missbrownsword 20:27:00
I was once turned down for a primary job because they decided to
give it to (head's words) 'the only male candidate' #ukedchat
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Laura_987 20:27:00
A sch I know separated their GCSE Sci gps into girls/boys to remove
the 'showing off'. Behaviour better, no sig improv in grades
#ukedchat
KnikiDavies 20:27:00#ukedchat So far on strategies I have: drama, talk 4 writing, group
work, problem solving, historical writing... Anything new?
SkoorBttaM 20:27:00
Uni set up a group 4 male thers to meet together- called it 'male
support group'. They wer shocked when we said we hated the
name! #ukedchat
mrswaustin 20:27:00#ukedchat just joined so skimming through tweets. It's an
interesting one tonight!
marketspi 20:27:00@mark_wood in my year 11 class there are 5 girls, 29 boys. No idea
why! #ukedchat
DrAshCasey 20:27:00@didactylos #ukedchat we can start with the micro societies in
which we live and work.
carolrainbow 20:27:00
RT @Joga5: .... and we should look for quality first and penis
second!! #ukedchat Hmm - must find the first part of this
conversation ;-)
tonycassidy 20:27:00@DrAshCasey mmm, one to ponder, but we seem to have
demonised certain 'masculine' traits #ukedchat
helenmew 20:28:00Would boys and girls BOTH benefit from the extension of play-based
curriculum much further up through into primary? #ukedchat
SkoorBttaM 20:28:00
RT @DeputyMitchell: We've a group of underperforming girls. Call
them our 'Gel Pen Girls'!!! Tidy, neat, smiley & if not careful stay
under the radar! #ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:28:00
I had staff use the fact that they had a larger nos of boys in their
class the reason for poor results! Where does that come from?
#ukedchat
KnikiDavies 20:28:00#ukedchat Oh and forest schools/outdoor learning in general - a bit
more risk taking!
Catriona_O 20:28:00#ukedchat I'd like to unpick "personalised learning" a bit more. Lets
face it -schooling was set up at the very beginning for boys
aiafrate 20:28:00
RT @marketspi: @mark_wood in my year 11 class there are 5 girls,
29 boys. <<had similar numbers last yr found tough,girls did too#ukedchat
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Joga5 20:28:00 @bartoneducation He did the same with his tea!!! #ukedchat
carolrainbow 20:28:00@bevevans22 I can remember having this problem with really bright
boys - they would be called Nerd - hard to deal with! #ukedchat
janwebb21 20:28:00RT @mrswaustin: #ukedchat just joined so skimming through
tweets. It's an interesting one tonight!
ianaddison 20:28:00#ukedchat girls will happily do well in class, but is it cool for a boy to
be smart? Why isn't it a good thing?
mark_wood 20:28:00
#ukedchat does boy girl pairing work? Is there any evidence that
suggests whether this has positive/negative results? If so in what
areas?
ICTtower 20:28:00With regards to poor behaviour in Y7, is a lack of male teachers in
primary a contributing factor? #ukedchat
primarypete_ 20:28:00In Y1 - any suggestions for strategies to get boys to choose writing
activities / wanting to develop their writing skills? #ukedchat
curricadvocate 20:28:00@KnikiDavies this can be an issue that isn't only gender related in
our small schools. we had a yr grp with only 6 chn 4 boys #ukedchat
Joga5 20:28:00@bevevans as a Prim we looked at giving more time for speaking /
listening - drama - practical activities #ukedchat
curricadvocate 20:29:00@helenmew #ukedchat this would appear true if you look at
evidence from international studies.
katie_hague 20:29:00
RT @KnikiDavies: #ukedchat drama, talk 4 writing, group work,
problem solving, historical writing... Anything new? > All good! Add
Kagan
Joga5 20:29:00@helenmew Extension of play, role play up the school is highly
beneficial #ukedchat
fhesbusiness 20:29:00I related to a lot in this article esp girls better at multitasking
http://bit.ly/aLPHOp #ukedchat how should we plan for this?
KnikiDavies 20:29:00
@mark_wood #ukedchat Have been reading Kagan, suggests groups
of 4 with 2 girls/2 boys but not a 3:1 ratio as this inhibits girls eitherway
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TheHeadsOffice 20:29:00@DeputyMitchell I was the only girl doing A level economics. Token
girl as the results proved! #ukedchat
Mr_Thorne 20:29:00RT @tonycassidy: Teachers are a bit like locks- irrespective of
gender, you just just 'click' with some- #ukedchat
janwebb21 20:29:00
@mark_wood personal experience yesterday of a boy in tears
because he didn't want to be paired wiht a girl makes you think!
#ukedchat
curricadvocate 20:29:00
@missbrownsword #ukedchat TERRIBLE especially if you are the
best candidate. there is huge pressures on HTs to have male staff.
been there!
marketspi 20:29:00@missbrownsword have they heard of discrimination legislation?!
#ukedchat
didactylos 20:29:00#ukedchat to what extent should we be exploring their preferred
learning styles with them and explaining what's universally needed?
bevevans22 20:29:00
@dughall Not sure topics taught would be the same - I know
teachers with boy heavy classes who choose 'boy' topics repeatedly
#ukedchat
tonycassidy 20:29:00Teachers are a bit like locks- irrespective of gender, you just just
'click' with some- #ukedchat
Joga5 20:29:00@carolrainbow was once informed in a govs meeting by Chair that
"we would be appointing a man for the next job!!" #ukedchat
ForesterJo 20:29:00
RT @dughall: Fair comment. However,still maintain that whether
had *all* girls or *all* boys, curric wld b same. #ukedchat will
ponder this!
SkoorBttaM 20:30:00RT @dughall: @ianaddison I was one of 10 male trainees on a
course of 140 #ukedchat >>same here. only five qualified
TheHeadsOffice 20:30:00@primarypete_ Have you got a an outside area? Let them write 'on
the walls'! #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:30:00@ianaddison @carolrainbow @didactylos And how come you can
be 'sporty' or 'clever' but not both? Do I imagine it?? #ukedchat
dawnhallybone 20:30:00 @KnikiDavies games games and games :) #ukedchat
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squiggle7 20:30:00@janwebb21 @mark_wood I had a boy sulk and refuse to work
today because paired with a girl too #ukedchat
dughall 20:30:00@primarypete_ I agree about offering choice. Can then also be used
as a coercive tool "...but you *chose* to do this..." #ukedchat
carolrainbow 20:30:00
@helenmew We have play based curric going all through in some
primary's - 3 yrs now - no significant difference in achievements
#ukedchat
DeputyMitchell 20:30:00RT @tonycassidy: Teachers are a bit like locks- irrespective of
gender, you just just 'click' with some- #ukedchat
DrAshCasey 20:30:00
@tonycassidy yes...agreed. But we have also accepted that boys
should display certain masculine traits...take "girl's blouse"
#ukedchat
JfB57 20:31:00
RT @didactylos: #ukedchat to what extent should we be exploring
their preferred learning styles with them & explaining what's
needed?
ProEdNet 20:31:00
@KnikiDavies that is interesting, does anyone else have views on
Kagan's ideas on how to get the best out of mixed classes?
#ukedchat
sellyeve 20:31:00@bevevans22 often find the sportiest cohorts are highest achieving.
#ukedchat
dughall 20:31:00@bevevans22 But is choosing 'boy' topics repeatedly for boy heavy
groups fair? Realistic? Equal? Representative? etc? #ukedchat
curricadvocate 20:31:00@carolrainbow #ukedchat But have standards risen compared to
3yrs ago even though no gender differences?
squiggle7 20:31:00
@squiggle7 @mark_wood but then also had another tell me he was
working better because paired with a girl so swings & r'bts
#ukedchat
ianaddison 20:31:00
@missbrownsword I got my first job cos they were looking for a
male teacher. There were 2other guys interviewed though
#ukedchat
mark_wood 20:31:00RT @KnikiDavies: #ukedchat Such a small number of either gender is
def going to limit friendships! I agree & is something to b aware of!
didactylos 20:31:00
@DrAshCasey I don't disagree, but recognise that they don't have
that much impact, home culture is such a pull #ukedchat
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janwebb21 20:31:00 @squiggle7 tis such a big deal for some #ukedchat
KnikiDavies 20:31:00@katie_hague #ukedchat I just quoted Kagan in my very next
tweet!!! Weird! I am planning to read up more about it!
cjs76 20:31:00RT @bevevans22: My stepson told me he tried not to act 'too
clever' at school as it wasn't cool #ukedchat > this is reality.
theatretotsltd 20:31:00
RT @ForesterJo: @dughall I also think a curriculum should be
structured around celebrating who we are now! not always prep for
later on - #ukedchat
tonycassidy 20:31:00@DrAshCasey also agreed there- so perhaps just take out the
gender and consider positive human 'traits'. #ukedchat
carolrainbow 20:31:00@Joga5 That is just dreadful - yes can understand the reply now!
#ukedchat
dughall 20:32:00RT @dawnhallybone: @KnikiDavies games games and games :)
#ukedchat
DrAshCasey 20:32:00@helenmew I think they benefit in secondary school. The phys Ed
model "sport education" is based on play theory #ukedchat
ICTtower 20:32:00For the 1st time in 10 years I have an all boy class at KS4, the only
girl requested a transfer.... #ukedchat
MrsThorne 20:32:00@bevevans22 I have seen a few sporty and clever boys in my time.
They usually end up as Head Boy. #ukedchat
katie_hague 20:32:00
katie_hague: @primarypete_ Treasure hunts, writing clues and
'evidence', non fiction, describing dragons, monsters, pirates etc!
#ukedchat
Mr_Thorne 20:32:00
RT @ForesterJo: @tonycassidy as female teacher find boys easier to
deal with generally - inf boys fall out sort it 2 mins later! girls......
#ukedchat
KnikiDavies 20:32:00
@bevevans22 #ukedchat Think that depends on the school, we have
plenty of sporty & clever kids, we have culture where it's good to
achieve
carolrainbow 20:32:00
@bevevans22 You can't get good all-rounders these days?
#ukedchat
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TheHeadsOffice 20:32:00RT @DeputyMitchell: RT @tonycassidy: Teachers are a bit like locks-
irrespective of gender, you just just 'click' with some- #ukedchat
marketspi 20:32:00RT @tonycassidy: Teachers are a bit like locks- irrespective of
gender, you just just 'click' with some- #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:32:00@dughall @primarypete_ When I offer choice (eg in recording
method) girls choose quickly. Boys struggle to choose #ukedchat
helenmew 20:32:00
@missbrownsword Really hate that, that's just awful - and if we
discriminate as adults why are so surprised young people do too?
#ukedchat
ForesterJo 20:32:00@tonycassidy as female teacher find boys easier to deal with
generally - inf boys fall out sort it 2 mins later! girls...... #ukedchat
katie_hague 20:33:00
@KnikiDavies #ukedchat Kaan v interesting for all,had to move
around class for some, everyone has to answer in others. No flying
under radar
ForesterJo 20:33:00
RT @helenmew: Would boys and girls BOTH benefit from the
extension of play-based curric much further up through into
primary? #ukedchat YES!
mark_wood 20:33:00
RT @KnikiDavies: @mark_wood #ukedchat Have, suggests groups of
4 with 2 girls/2 boys but not a 3:1 ratio as this inhibits girls either
way
colport 20:33:00 Does Visual Literacy support boys learning? #ukedchat
tonycassidy 20:33:00@ForesterJo agreed- sometimes I think we overreact to situation
like that #ukedchat
Joga5 20:33:00We've tried to use what were regarded as boy friendly strategies
but also considered grouping and subject matter #ukedchat
janwebb21 20:33:00RT @dughall: RT @dawnhallybone: @KnikiDavies games games and
games :) #ukedchat
KnikiDavies 20:33:00
@ProEdNet #ukedchat I have set up my classes in Kagan groups and
it is working a treat - some of best maths lessons ever using
Kagan/nrich!
janwebb21 20:33:00
#ukedchat sorry if I'm repeating what someone has said but
authentic context, games/play based writing so important for all butesp boys
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sellyeve 20:33:00 @bevevans22 even with a deadline? #ukedchat
ICTtower 20:33:00 It is a very different atmosphere to my other classes #ukedchat
Catriona_O 20:33:00#ukedchat my problem with personalised learning is that is has been
interpreted in many cases as limited to options. V Poor response.
carolrainbow 20:34:00
@curricadvocate I daren't actually commit to that without seeing
the data and I have not looked- though I doubt it has raised much
#ukedchat
didactylos 20:34:00#ukedchat can we agree on what bedrock skills are key to success in
life and that whatever your gender you need to develop these?
TheHeadsOffice 20:34:00@helenmew @missbrownsword I think the discrimination comes
when we are very tiny & stays unless really pushed out. #ukedchat
mark_wood 20:34:00@KnikiDavies: #ukedchat Kagan, suggests groups of 4 with 2 girls/2
boys but not a 3:1 ratio as this inhibits girls either way V interesting
ianaddison 20:34:00@KnikiDavies we celebrate achievement too, but for certain kids, all
boys, it's just not cool. School is for mates and football #ukedchat
DrAshCasey 20:34:00
@tonycassidy now that is the positive method. Teachers need to be
aware of the ways we reinforce gender expectations..really hard.
#ukedchat
KnikiDavies 20:34:00@dughall #ukedchat What would you classify as a "boy" topic or a
"girl" topic?
bevevans22 20:34:00@dughall Not in my opinion, but it is a trend I've seen. A bit like
choosing literature where the main characters are male...#ukedchat
mrswaustin 20:34:00@katie_hague we use kagan a lot It works for boys & girls alike.
Calms 'loud' boys & encourages 'quiet' girls to join in. #ukedchat
squiggle7 20:34:00@KnikiDavies what happens when you don't have right numbers for
2/2 with Kagan?
cjs76 20:35:00
#ukedchat have seen sig. progress when focussing on girls in maths -
confidence, levels, attitude.
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DrAshCasey 20:35:00@didactylos yep...home has a huge impact. Family expectation
carries massive weight. #ukedchat
JfB57 20:35:00
RT @DrAshCasey: @tonycassidy now that is the positive method.
Teachers need to be aware of the ways we reinforce gender
expectations..really hard. #ukedchat
ICTtower 20:35:00
@dawnhallybone That's what I would like to find out - I am thinking
perhaps boys don't see women as strong disciplianarians?
#ukedchat
John_Pallister 20:35:00@Catriona_O had a go at unpicking personalised Learning
http://tinyurl.com/qqca2x #ukedchat
pkainsworth 20:35:00#ukedchat Didn't truly realise how biased our education system is
against boys till i had a son... No fault of the school which is FAB!
DuncanTigerHero 20:35:00We are now teaching Eng and Maths as single sex subjects to lower
ability classes at GCSE. Some successes. #ukedchat
KnikiDavies 20:35:00 @squiggle7 #ukedchat I went for a table of 3 girls and one of 4 boys
bevevans22 20:35:00
@sellyeve I'm talking about in a 40 minute primary session. If I cut it
down to clear choice of one or the other they cope better.
#ukedchat
cybraryman1 20:35:00@@bevevans22 Yes I witnessed this too, some students shy away
from not acting clever because of peer pressure. #ukedchat
curricadvocate 20:35:00@missbrownsword #ukedchat - agree. my son is terrified of failure,
so competition paralyses his thinking.
katie_hague 20:35:00
RT @colport: Does Visual Literacy support boys learning? #ukedchat
> Yes, & games based learning. See @timrylands &myst. Had
amazing results
aiafrate 20:35:00
#ukedchat boys appear to like large audience for work - on wall,
blog.. putting up girls work anonymously at their request, found
strange
MrsThorne 20:35:00
@ICTtower Had a Y12 class with a 12/3 boy/girl split 1 year;
following year was reversed. Had to completely rewrite my SoW
#ukedchat
briankotts 20:35:00
Are boys really the weaker sex? http://bit.ly/auPGdH /via
@telegraph #edchat #ukedchat
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primarypete_ 20:36:00
@KnikiDavies @dughall #ukedchat when did Mario Kart as theme
was perceived as boy but girls loved it & focused on different
characters
curricadvocate 20:36:00@carolrainbow #ukedchat - interesting. perhaps another edchat
question?
Joga5 20:36:00@DuncanTigerHero Do the kids prefer working in single sex groups?
#ukedchat
didactylos 20:36:00
#ukedchat the male brain is still out hunting the mammoth, the
female working in the collaborative tribe - civilisation is still a
newbie
Catriona_O 20:36:00 @John_Pallister thank you! shall check it out #ukedchat
dughall 20:36:00
@KnikiDavies I wouldn't particularly classify topics like that.
(Boy/girl) it was @bevevans22 's colleague who tends to (said Bev)
#ukedchat
squiggle7 20:36:00@KnikiDavies would love to know more about Kagan techniques.
Can I ask you after this has finished? #ukedchat
KnikiDavies 20:36:00@ianaddison #ukedchat I was worried ours was going that way a bit
last year but it seems to have fizzled out with departure of Y6
katie_hague 20:36:00
RT @mrswaustin: we use kagan a lot It works for boys & girls alike.
Calms 'loud' boys & encourages 'quiet' girls to join in.#ukedchat
>Def!
cybraryman1 20:36:00
RT @didactylos: #ukedchat can we agree on what bedrock skills are
key to success in life & whatever your gender you need to develop
these?
helenmew 20:36:00
@DrAshCasey Interesting - think the transition EYFS to primary a
shock - and primary to secondary. Outdoor and indoor play v imp
#ukedchat
tonycassidy 20:36:00 @DrAshCasey yes, and it is a minefield- #ukedchat
marketspi 20:36:00@squiggle7 @knikidavies good group work says if not even split
then have some single sex groups #ukedchat
ICTtower 20:37:00
@MrsThorne Interesting, as we try to keep our SoW gender neutral
#ukedchat
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mark_wood 20:37:00RT @MrsThorne: @ICTtower what particular changes were made in
the SOW?? #ukedchat
didactylos 20:37:00@mark_wood #ukedchat good idea, only achievable in classes with
equal gender numbers
curricadvocate 20:37:00
@katie_hague #ukedchat just catching up again - agree with your
list. humour is a very important tool. calm manner gets results from
b&g
dawnhallybone 20:37:00 @janwebb21 agree totally #ukedchat
colport 20:37:00
RT @didactylos: #ukedchat the male brain is still out hunting the
mammoth, the female working in the collaborative tribe -
civilisation is still a newbie
TheHeadsOffice 20:37:00
RT @cjs76: #ukedchat have seen sig. progress when focussing on
girls in maths - confidence, levels, attitude>so it is to do with
confidence?
Mr_Thorne 20:37:00when our text was Cinderella, the boys were really into it...similarly
the girls have been encapsulated by dragons/fantasy #ukedchat
ForesterJo 20:37:00@KnikiDavies will have to read up on Kagan - #ukedchat - can you
email me any info?
ICTtower 20:37:00@TheHeadsOffice The lone girl felt intimidated by being alone/could
not relate to the 'lads' #ukedchat
MrsThorne 20:37:00
RT @DuncanTigerHero: We are now teaching Eng and Maths as
single sex subjects to lower ability classes at GCSE. Some successes.
#ukedchat
missbrownsword 20:37:00this week I told my maths set that girls are better at maths than
boys, I was joking but it seemed to motivate them all! #ukedchat
aiafrate 20:38:00@katie_hague I read kagan last yr, really need to start using it again
#ukedchat
dughall 20:38:00@primarypete_ @KnikiDavies ...not just cos they're boys or girls.
#ukedchat
curricadvocate 20:38:00
@Joga5 #ukedchat i think this depends on how you structure the
ethos of the classroom (and school for that matter)
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John_Pallister 20:38:00 @didactylos bedrock skills = Functional Skills + 'a bit' #ukedchat
ForesterJo 20:38:00
@tonycassidy absolutely! not advocating letting boys fights but
sometimes we intervene + really make mountain out of molehill
#ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:38:00
@missbrownsword Interesting that you were joking about who is
good at maths. Have you the data to prove it? Is it our perceptions?
#ukedchat
carolrainbow 20:38:00@curricadvocate We would all have to dig the data out ;-) Lots of
prep time needed!! #ukedchat
dughall 20:38:00
@primarypete_ @KnikiDavies That is *the* thing about topics IMO.
Seeing and drawing out elements to suit *every* individ' learnr!
#ukedchat
KnikiDavies 20:38:00@squiggle7 Yes sure but I am far from expert! #ukedchat It's
something I want to develop
Catriona_O 20:38:00@chrisrat @atantot @DrAshCasey yes, and it is a minefield-
#ukedchat - and pass the bomb IS ace! Love #twitterserendipity!
bevevans22 20:38:00
@TheHeadsOffice @MrsThorne @KnikiDavies In our area boys
either 'appear' to be good at sport or bright (but not too 'in your
face')#ukedchat
tonycassidy 20:39:00 @ForesterJo yeah- couldn't have put it better #ukedchat
curricadvocate 20:39:00@ForesterJo @KnikiDavies and me for Kagan. sounds interesting.
#ukedchat
sellyeve 20:39:00 janwebb21: @dawnhallybone been to ewac today - keep thinking
good teaching includes BOTH boys and girls #ukedchat YES!
ForesterJo 20:39:00@mrswaustin really sorry but what does 'loud' mean -
enthusiastic????? keen???? #ukedchat
katie_hague 20:39:00
@curricadvocate For boys & girls,but found lots of my boys assumed
they'd be shouted at & v defensive.Calm was far more effective!
#ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:39:00
@bevevans22 What stops boys wanting to please? Is it just peer
pressure? When does it start?#ukedchat
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didactylos 20:39:00
@DrAshCasey #ukedchat A level female students in past classes
would face incredible pressure from females in family to pack in
their studies
KnikiDavies 20:39:00@dughall @bevevans22 I see, was interested to see how they
classified them. #ukedchat
janwebb21 20:39:00@dawnhallybone been to ewac today - keep thinking good teaching
includes BOTH boys and girls #ukedchat
tonycassidy 20:39:00RT @colport: Does Visual Literacy support boys learning? #ukedchat
Doesn't it for everyone?
TheHeadsOffice 20:40:00@diannespencer Are there any reluntant staff about your IT push?
Are they M or F? #ukedchat
sellyeve 20:40:00
TheHeadsOffice: @bevevans22 What stops boys wanting to please?
Is it just peer pressure? School culture defintely plays a part
#ukedchat
janwebb21 20:40:00 @dawnhallybone or even ecaw! #ukedchat
Joga5 20:40:00@tonycassidy @colport Would agree that it is equally successful for
both groups if pedagogy sound #ukedchat
MrsThorne 20:40:00@mark_wood Took out lots of role play/tableaux/competitions,
girls just not enthused by them. More essay practice #ukedchat
JaneWoods3 20:40:00
#ukedchat Numbers of males on Primary Ed courses are improving
but we still struggle to keep them. Need more male role models on
placement!
TheHeadsOffice 20:40:00 @curricadvocate Ethos of the school is key! #ukedchat
ICTtower 20:40:00 @Joga5 Definitely! #ukedchat
dughall 20:40:00
@ICTtower "perhaps boys don't see women as strong
disciplianarians? " Completely disagree. This perception can be
sorted day 1 #ukedchat
cybraryman1 20:41:00
I taught in the inner city where in most families fathers were absent.
Boys especially needed strong & good male role models #ukedchat
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katie_hague 20:41:00@aiafrate Yes, we had training 2 years ago and worked really well,
though big learning curve for us! #ukedchat
scholaforis 20:41:00
extended play...co-perative and problem solving play breeds mutual
respect for non gender biased relationships in school later
#ukedchat
didactylos 20:41:00@John_Pallister #ukedchat hmm maybe, but FS have now a very
bad label round the neck
KnikiDavies 20:41:00@squiggle7 @foresterjo #ukedchat I think @oliverquinlan is very
interested in Kagan but he's not here this evening
Mr_Thorne 20:41:00as a child, i went to all boys school & i missed out on socialising with
girls until my teaching degree which was mainly female #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:41:00
@dughall @KnikiDavies Our FP teachers tend to choose
dinosaur/space/hands on topics to 'engage' boys as girls will join in
anyway #ukedchat
janwebb21 20:41:00RT @Joga5: @tonycassidy @colport Would agree that it is equally
successful for both groups if pedagogy sound #ukedchat
MrsThorne 20:41:00@mark_wood no noticable difference in performance between the
genders either year #ukedchat
Joga5 20:41:00@curricadvocate Would agree on the structuring of ethos
#ukedchat
ProEdNet 20:41:00@DuncanTigerHero would be interested to hear about the
successes and difficulties this choice resulted in? #ukedchat
KnikiDavies 20:41:00@squiggle7 @foresterjo #ukedchat All the info I have I got from
here http://www.kaganonline.com/ in the free articles section
bevevans22 20:42:00@dughall @KnikiDavies Even if covering Fairy Tales they often go for
one with a male lead!! But we are very boy heavy #ukedchat
mark_wood 20:42:00
#ukedchat in my yr 12 class the girls r much more willing 2 stand up
& present. In KS1&2 last yr it was much more the boys, a nice
change
colport 20:42:00
@tonycassidy @Joga5 Very good point about pedagogy. Something
that is overlooked in favor of prescribed cont. Worthy of its own#ukedchat !
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ProEdNet 20:42:00
@KnikiDavies Great, Kagan has always been very popular here but
would love to hear more info on teachers with more practical exp.
#ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:42:00@Joga5 Gosh - pedagogy - that's a blast from the past! Vital though!
#ukedchat
bartoneducation 20:42:00A21st Century Boys good read and worth looking at for this debate.
#ukedchat. Sue Palmer's pop education.
janwebb21 20:42:00 n@bevevans22 ours too #ukedchat
MrsThorne 20:42:00@ICTtower didn't really clock the SoW as not gender neutral til I
couldn't get the girl-heavy group to do the activities! #ukedchat
tonycassidy 20:42:00
@ICTtower @dawnhallybone I've always found it to be the other
way- as a student I had more respect for my female teachers...
#ukedchat
squiggle7 20:42:00@KnikiDavies thanks, have seen that site before but will take a
deeper look #ukedchat
dughall 20:43:00@bevevans22 I do know what you're saying. Element of devil's
advocate from me tonight :-) #ukedchat
dawnhallybone 20:43:00@janwebb21 I thought ewac was a mis - spelling of a star wars
character :) #ukedchat
mrswaustin 20:43:00
@ForesterJo yes I had a group last yr that drowned out some girls
with their answers & opinions. Kagan gave them all a chance
#ukedchat
colport 20:43:00@bevevans22 Fairy tales is easy to deliver for boys as well
nowadays....via Shrek! #ukedchat
Catriona_O 20:43:00@cybraryman1 #ukedchat don't they need good teachers first and
foremost?
ICTtower 20:43:00
@dughall I'm sure it can. I only ask because I see more boys
misbehave in classes with female teachers than male in secondary
#ukedchat
Joga5 20:43:00
@TheHeadsOffice Had someone in a "get you" way when we started
talking about it at training last term #ukedchat
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CHAR0ULA 20:43:00family attitudes influence kids behaviour so in some areas the
problem is worse need to change adult ways first #ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:43:00 Anyone let classes above FS use outside learning areas? #ukedchat
KnikiDavies 20:44:00@mrswaustin #ukedchat Is there a particular book on Kagan that
you would recommend? Feel a trip to Amazon coming on... :o)
didactylos 20:44:00 #ukedchat this hour always flies by, less than 15 mins left
tonycassidy 20:44:00I found this a really interesting read 'Trouble with Boys' -Tyre,
http://amzn.to/aG6moO - #ukedchat
dughall 20:44:00@ICTtower They were obviously never taught by my wife! ;-)
#ukedchat
curricadvocate 20:44:00
@TheHeadsOffice @Joga5 So, if teachers/schools concentrate on
ethos can we move to focussing on learning without stereotypes?
#ukedchat
bevevans22 20:44:00I thought that the sport/clever thing might be mainly Welsh and
cultural but it would appear not #ukedchat
ForesterJo 20:44:00 @Mr_Thorne and then made up for it?????????????????#ukedchat
Joga5 20:44:00RT @Catriona_O: @cybraryman1 #ukedchat don't they need good
teachers first and foremost? >>>Yes every time
sellyeve 20:44:00Catriona_O: @cybraryman1 don't they need good teachers first and
foremost? Completely agree! #ukedchat
TweeterofWit 20:44:00Forget 'girls'' or 'boys'' subjects: boys love Literature or HE, girls love
Technology or Physics. It's subjects and students! #ukedchat
didactylos 20:45:00#ukedchat if a Male brain is motivated by competition and winning
if it can't win in one way it looks for other games to play.....
altrudrama 20:45:00
@TweeterofWit My personal experience of that is completely
different - I think each class probably has a different mix of faves#ukedchat
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bevevans22 20:45:00@colport :) Animated films make every topic easy - Shrek (fairy
tales), Lion King (Africa), Bug's Life (minibeasts) etc. etc :) #ukedchat
Joga5 20:45:00@curricadvocate That must be the aim - it is so institutionally and
societally embedded that it is hard #ukedchat
geraldhaigh1 20:45:00@TweeterofWit Absolutely right. I can't come to terms with this
topic at all. #ukedchat
ICTtower 20:45:00LOL! RT @dughall: @ICTtower They were obviously never taught by
my wife! ;-) #ukedchat
dughall 20:45:00@ICTtower IMO and experience, discipline is gender ambiguous
#ukedchat
janwebb21 20:45:00 @dawnhallybone I mean at the same time as following #ukedchat
janwebb21 20:45:00
@dawnhallybone it's fun based learning based on film characters,
apparently ;) prob more to do with trying to make shepherd's pie
#ukedchat
mark_wood 20:45:00
RT @MrsThorne Took out lots of role play/tableaux/competitions,
girls just not enthused by them. More essay practice #ukedchat V
interesting
carolrainbow 20:45:00
RT @Catriona_O @cybraryman1 #ukedchat don't they need good
teachers first and foremost? Yes! Good teachers will teach without
gender issues
TheHeadsOffice 20:45:00 @dughall You naughty boy!! #ukedchat
curricadvocate 20:46:00#ukedchat I'm detecting a few strands that look at the power of
effective teaching to remove gender barriers. Any further thoughts?
bartoneducation 20:46:00
RT @didactylos: #ukedchat if a Male brain is motivated by
competition and winning if it can't win in one way it looks for other
games to play.....
sellyeve 20:46:00important that teachers don't perpetuate stereotypes - first and
foremost, children are individuals #ukedchat
geraldhaigh1 20:46:00 Should have voted. #ukedchat
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dughall 20:46:00@TheHeadsOffice That's me labeled then (for the second time
tonight @Joga5 ) :-) #ukedchat
cybraryman1 20:46:00
@Joga5 @sellyeve @carolrainbow @Catriona_O Yes, of course they
need good teachers first. Better if it was good male teacher.
#ukedchat
primarypete_ 20:46:00RT @dughall: @ICTtower IMO and experience, discipline is gender
ambiguous #ukedchat <-- nicely put
Catriona_O 20:46:00
RT @dughall: @bevevans22 know wht U're saying. devil's advocate
from me 2nite :-) #ukedchat me 2. have atypical children from both
sexes
MrsThorne 20:46:00
@TheHeadsOffice Benefit of having Hist dept in mobiles on field
means lots of room for reenactments :) try to do it regularly
#ukedchat
ForesterJo 20:46:00
RT @TheHeadsOffice: Anyone let classes above FS use outside
learning areas? #ukedchat our KS1 classes have full day of forest
school each wk
ForesterJo 20:47:00RT @dughall: @ICTtower They were obviously never taught by my
wife! ;-) #ukedchat OR ME!
dawnhallybone 20:47:00as teachers we do not stereotype by race or religion so why is
gender still an issue - we are all learners #ukedchat
tonycassidy 20:47:00Why are boys three more time likely to be diagnosed with ADHD?
#ukedchat
bartoneducation 20:47:00 Films and learning - subject for #ukedchat? @bevevans22
John_Pallister 20:47:00
@didactylos FS bad label: either the standards are wrong OR
learners are not 'Functional' -sort out standards vs sort learning
#ukedchat
Catriona_O 20:47:00 I don't feel like we've really got anywhere tonight #ukedchat
ForesterJo 20:47:00@mrswaustin if you have any info on Kagan would love to read
#ukedchat important to allow all chance to offer their ideas
marketspi 20:47:00
@ICTtower @dughall Women have it harder-research shows deep
voice has more authority. Some women get reli high pitch whencross! #ukedchat
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janwebb21 20:47:00
#ukedchat one topic that always encourages our boys to get
involved is the stop-frame animation unit - they re-enact rapunzel
really well!
cybraryman1 20:47:00@Catriona_O @Joga5 @sellyeve @carolrainbow These boys did not
have any positive male role models #ukedchat
didactylos 20:47:00#ukedchat the male brain opting out is encapsulated in the 'its my
ball and I'm going home' syndrome
katie_hague 20:48:00
RT @curricadvocate: #ukedchat I'm detecting strands that look at
the power of effective teaching to remove gender barriers.
>Cracked it!
Joga5 20:48:00
RT @dawnhallybone: as teachers we do not stereotype by race or
religion so why is gender still an issue - we are all learners
#ukedchat
carolrainbow 20:48:00
RT @sellyeve: important teachers don't perpetuate stereotypes -
first & foremost, chn are individuals #ukedchat - Teach to their
strengths;)
bartoneducation 20:48:00@tonycassidy Coz the world moves too slowly for the ones I know.
#ukedchat
dughall 20:48:00 @TheHeadsOffice :-) #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:48:00
One thing that is helping in our school is introduction of FP style
learning into KS2 classroom - enough variety for both genders
#ukedchat
Joga5 20:48:00@marketspi I worked for a 6ft 4 Head teacher he never shouted or
used his deep voice for some reason!! #ukedchat
scholaforis 20:48:00 @ForesterJo #ukedchat mixed KS2 class often out @theheadsoffice
nancyrubin 20:48:00Social Learning - Lesson Ideas for Teachers http://t.co/ABflXWo
#smchat #edchat #ukedchat #web20chat
TheHeadsOffice 20:48:00@dughall I expect you're sitting at the back as well!@Joga5
#ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:49:00
RT @carolrainbow: RT @sellyeve: important teachers don't
perpetuate stereotypes - first & foremost, chn are individuals#ukedchat - Teach to their strengths;)
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DrAshCasey 20:49:00 @didactylos so true and such a shame #ukedchat
mrswaustin 20:49:00
@ForesterJo we had training days on it. Will DM you details
tomorrow if you like. Too tired to remember name of firm! Sorry:)
#ukedchat
dughall 20:49:00
RT @dawnhallybone: as teachers we do not stereotype by race or
religion so why is gender still an issue - we are all learners
#ukedchat
Cgeo28 20:49:00
#ukedchat yes children are individuals but put 30 in same room and
things change. Gender as well as ability, age, etc has to be
considered.
bevevans22 20:49:00
RT @dawnhallybone: as teachers we do not stereotype by race
/religion so why is gender still an issue - we are all learners
#ukedchat <true
dughall 20:49:00RT @tonycassidy: Why are boys three more time likely to be
diagnosed with ADHD? #ukedchat (Good Question)
ICTtower 20:49:00
RT @marketspi: Women have it harder-research shows deep voice
has more authority. Some women get reli high pitch when cross!
#ukedchat
DrAshCasey 20:49:00@helenmew I think we've lost the play instinct in secondary
teaching. #ukedchat
simonhowells 20:49:00
heard a colleague talking about why her class were a pain today -
"well they're mostly boys" was her opener - my heart sank...
#ukedchat
Mr_Thorne 20:49:00
RT @ForesterJo: RT @TheHeadsOffice: Anyone let classes above FS
use outside learning areas? #ukedchat Same here! Forest school is
awesome
tonycassidy 20:50:00
the gender discussion come around to the usual conclusion of using
a variety of methods to engage learners- irrespective of gender
#ukedchat
JfB57 20:50:00@Mr_Thorne @ForesterJo Is there a difference in the learning in
Forest school activities between m/f? #ukedchat
MrsThorne 20:50:00@tonycassidy similar issue with autism: way more common in boys
#ukedchat
sellyeve 20:50:00
@dughall even higher for conditions such as autism, dyslexia
#ukedchat
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katie_hague 20:50:00@bevevans22 My last school did that too to great effect. Focused
learning on interests of children, engagement for all! #ukedchat
carolrainbow 20:50:00@cybraryman1 are you perpetuating stereotypes? ;-) I can't believe
that!! #ukedchat
Laura_987 20:50:00
RT @DrAshCasey @helenmew I think we've lost the play instinct in
secondary teaching. #ukedchat >> definitely - how would we bring it
back?
ICTtower 20:50:00
@dawnhallybone True, though I've also seen the same lessons
received differently depending on staff. Personality also important
#ukedchat
KnikiDavies 20:50:00@dawnhallybone #ukedchat I think it's an issue because the data is
suggesting that boys' writing is a real issue nationally
Joga5 20:50:00@DrAshCasey We have lost play in much of KS2. Last week we
talked about bringing playfulness into teaching #ukedchat
altrudrama 20:51:00
@KnikiDavies Done fab talk for writing projects that boys love -
hardest part was getting them to sit & write. Imaginations great
#ukedchat
clairelowe2 20:51:00
RT @dawnhallybone: as teachers we do not stereotype by race or
religion so why is gender still an issue - we are all learners
#ukedchat
bevevans22 20:51:00@Joga5 That's what the extension of FP and outdoor curriculum has
done with us - brought back play and exploration #ukedchat
sellyeve 20:51:00@Cgeo28 considered yes - but we need to try & park our
preconceived ideas at the door! #ukedchat
BeeBecF 20:51:00
RT @dughall: RT @dawnhallybone: as teachers we do not
stereotype by race or religion so why is gender still an issue - we are
all learners #ukedchat
CHAR0ULA 20:51:00 @dawnhallybone society has a lot to do with that I think #ukedchat
Catriona_O 20:51:00 @didactylos ok - haha! #ukedchat but I know I'm right:-)
clairelowe2 20:51:00
#Ukedchat sorry been working just joined in! Looks like it's been a
lively discussion :-)
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curricadvocate 20:52:00@JfB57 #ukedchat so what would be your first steps in developing
an understanding of staff inner beliefs to develop ethos?
Catriona_O 20:52:00@tonycassidy thankyou for adding a welcome, measured
perspective. I agree. And so it should be. #ukedchat
mrswaustin 20:52:00
Some women get reli high pitch when cross! #ukedchat > knew 1 of
those- disliked by all children!! Sounded like fingers down a
blackboard!
MrsThorne 20:52:00
@DrAshCasey I hear a lot of 2dry teachers completely discount play
cos of the drive for better results: "no time" So backwards!
#ukedchat
tonycassidy 20:52:00
@dughall @MrsThorne @Catriona_O I'm not disputing the
disorder, but are we medicating a vision of a certain type of
classroom #ukedchat
Joga5 20:52:00@bevevans22 but it's more than giving play opportunities it is about
being playful as an adult working with kids #ukedchat
ForesterJo 20:52:00@Mr_Thorne do you take your children for forest school? must
chat more..........#ukedchat
cybraryman1 20:52:00@Catriona_O Only male role models these boys knew were gang
bangers & drug dealers http://bit.ly/a4oisa #ukedchat
bartoneducation 20:52:00
RT @tonycassidy: the gender discussion come around to the usual
conclusion of using a variety of methods to engage learners-
irrespective of gender #ukedchat
primarypete_ 20:52:00
Have lots of summer born boys & eager girls in Y1. Trying to work
out how to match needs whilst still having to teach lit&num hour
#ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:52:00@bevevans22 We did a FS profile across a whole of a primary
school. Staff in Yr.6 were amazed what it told them! #ukedchat
curricadvocate 20:52:00#ukedchat If gender differences is deeply ingrained into societal
values, then as educators we have a duty to be counter-cultural.
Mr_Thorne 20:53:00
RT @JfB57 Is there a difference in the learning in Forest school
activities between m/f? #ukedchat it recently inspired their writing
m&f
didactylos 20:53:00
@Catriona_O yes and i know you are right, cos I'm always wrong in
my house! #ukedchat
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DrAshCasey 20:53:00
@Laura_987 @helenmew I did it in phys Ed by having design and
the play their own games rather than playing traditional games
#ukedchat
ICTtower 20:53:00 Does anyone have a good link to use for using Kagan? #ukedchat
KnikiDavies 20:53:00
@sellyeve #ukedchat Autism, dyslexia etc genuinely are more
common in boys, is ADHD really or are energetic boys being
misdiagnosed?
SkoorBttaM 20:53:00What part does society play?- Might say "how are you monster?" to
boy, say it to a girl and they''ll be shocked #ukedchat
Cgeo28 20:53:00RT @sellyeve- but we need to try & park our preconceived ideas at
the door! #ukedchat > some ideas come from experience though
didactylos 20:53:00
@Catriona_O actually agree, but these hours are always about
expanding ideas, not time to really 'get anywhere' in 60 mins
#ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:53:00
RT @dughall: RT @tonycassidy: Y are boys three more time likely to
be diagnosed with ADHD? #ukedchat > Easier than changing
teaching style?
rkiker 20:54:00RT @nancyrubin: Social Learning - Lesson Ideas for Teachers
http://t.co/ABflXWo #smchat #edchat #ukedchat #web20chat
dughall 20:54:00 @MrsThorne Not just 2ary unfortunately. #ukedchat
NSRiazat 20:54:00Top 100 Tools for Learning 2010 http://bit.ly/cZDsH2 #ukedchat
#twittereducator
carolrainbow 20:54:00
@dughall: @tonycassidy: Why are boys 3 x more likely to be
diagnosed with ADHD? #ukedchat Bored Boy syndrome or illness?
(diving for cover)
TheHeadsOffice 20:54:00@bevevans22 The FS approach was at the core of the new
curriculum! #ukedchat
SkoorBttaM 20:54:00@tonycassidy Is ADHD just being overly boyish? #ukedchat
#controversial
bevevans22 20:54:00 @Joga5 Just as well I'm a nutter then, innit ;) #ukedchat
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sellyeve 20:54:00 @KnikiDavies sadly, I suspect you're right! #ukedchat
John_Pallister 20:54:00
RT @tonycassidy the gender discussion come around to usual
conclusion -using a variety of methods to engage learners-
#ukedchat
Laura_987 20:54:00
RT @TheHeadsOffice @bevevans22 We did a FS profile across a
whole of a primary school. #ukedchat >potential blog post from
@TheHeadsOffice?
scholaforis 20:54:00
@Laura_987 #ukedchat Play in 2ndry? let the kids be kids again -
the'll rembember how to play. They might thk u- ltd opportunities
elsewhere
Joga5 20:55:00 THREE MINUTE WARNING #ukedchat
bevevans22 20:55:00@Laura_987 @TheHeadsOffice Not sure how FS compares to FP in
Wales but I bet the results were a revelation #ukedchat
dughall 20:55:00
U mayn't like Michael Macintyre but here he is on gender
differences (from 5m 30s) http://youtu.be/Nd--6cWBIVU #ukedchat
(stereotype alert!)
ICTtower 20:55:00I sometimes suspect it! RT @SkoorBttaM: @tonycassidy Is ADHD
just being overly boyish? #ukedchat #controversial
Mr_Thorne 20:55:00@ForesterJo I used to last year at the school I worked at...smelly
cocktails are the best! all hail the firesteel! #ukedchat
Joga5 20:55:00@bevevans22 Not a nutter - beautifully playful and full of
childnessness!!!! #ukedchat
clairelowe2 20:55:00
My research shows that developing a creative curriculum with
motivation challenge & reflection @the heart ALL learners succeed
#Ukedchat
didactylos 20:55:00@MrsThorne #ukedchat in 2ndry we always reinforce failure rather
than try alternative strategies
bartoneducation 20:55:00Girl/Boy thing. There are differences. But if you teach to gender you
only recognise one aspect of child. #ukedchat
helenmew 20:55:00
@skoorBttaM Yep, research shows an adult will adjust tone and
language dependent on gender of newest-born baby #ukedchat
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mrswaustin 20:56:00
@KnikiDavies got a training manual type thing with all different
structures. I keep it at school, will tweet it in the morning.
#ukedchat
Catriona_O 20:56:00 @Joga5 eek! have we got anywhere?#ukedchat
didactylos 20:56:00@Catriona_O 'snot fair, girls are always right, storms off in a huff....
#ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 20:56:00
@curricadvocate Explore what sterotypes are & get peer visits just
to look at what is happening in class. Need real trust though!
#ukedchat
curricadvocate 20:56:00@TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat - is that the Rose curriculum or one
you have sorted yourself?
helenmew 20:56:00
@skoorBttaM If not sure of gender then many adults display
disorientation and unsure how to interact with even tiniest baby
#ukedchat
ICTtower 20:57:00Slightly different perspective now - I find I have to act a bit more
'laddish' with my all boy group to encourage cooperation. #ukedchat
curricadvocate 20:57:00@TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat Agree - also work on stereotype issues
with wider stakeholder groups?
ForesterJo 20:57:00@Mr_Thorne @JfB57 Talk for Writing through Forest School type
approach - extended writing better for b&g #ukedchat
lisacov19 20:57:00#ukedchat it's all down to personalised learning & finding the key to
unlock the learning potential ..... What are the motivators?
didactylos 20:57:00@Catriona_O its how they judge their self esteem that's often the
problem #ukedchat
colport 20:57:00 Concluding thoughts from #ukedchat session?
TheHeadsOffice 20:57:00 @Laura_987 Hadn't thought of that! Many thanks! #ukedchat
clairelowe2 20:57:00
@curricadvocate @JfB57 need strong school values well developed
and understood by all #Ukedchat
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bevevans22 20:57:00@Joga5 I think being fairly relaxed and laid back helps too. Or at
least appearing that way...#ukedchat
MrsThorne 20:57:00
@dughall Got a wake up call to play last yr when Y11 boy able to
recall what I wore in re-enactment lesson I taught to him in Y10
#ukedchat
colport 20:57:00
RT @digitalmaverick: Y6 to write biogs of fam Victorians 1 kid's givn
James Arkwright - can find v little abt him - teacher error?
#ukedchat
Mr_Thorne 20:58:00RT @ForesterJo: @JfB57 - its ever so funny though, a drop of rain,
and the parents ask if we're still going outside or not lol #ukedchat
DrAshCasey 20:58:00
@MrsThorne but with performance management and public
shaming by heads...the pressure compromises pedagogy quality
#ukedchat
ForesterJo 20:58:00 @Mr_Thorne you mean all hail the dragon's breath! #ukedchat
dughall 20:58:00 @MrsThorne Like it! :-) #ukedchat
carolrainbow 20:58:00
#ukedchat We really never had ADHD until about 15-20 years ago.
Where did it come from? I am very suspicious, sport, play
engagement needed
KnikiDavies 20:58:00 @mrswaustin Thank you very much! #ukedchat
Joga5 20:58:00@Catriona_O I think so but i dread writing this up for the #ukedchat
site!!!
tonycassidy 20:58:00 Thanks for an interesting discussion- bedtime #ukedchat
clairelowe2 20:58:00
RT @bartoneducation: Girl/Boy thing. There are differences. But if
you teach to gender you only recognise one aspect of child.
#ukedchat
Catriona_O 20:58:00Look - I am totally fine with anyone who is ADHD or anything else -
just let's try to get it right for EVERYONE? #ukedchat
ForesterJo 20:59:00
RT @bartoneducation: Girl/Boy thing. There are differences. But if
you teach to gender you only recognise one aspect of child.#ukedchat
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didactylos 20:59:00#ukedchat as always very stimulating and challenging, thanks all, but
Gareth calls.....
TheHeadsOffice 20:59:00
@curricadvocate We were working towards it. FS led the whole
thing starting with their data on FSP!Staff had no idea they did
any!#ukedchat
AsherJac 20:59:00
RT @dawnhallybone: as teachers we do not stereotype by race or
religion so why is gender still an issue - we are all learners
#ukedchat
colport 20:59:00@carolrainbow It has nothing to do with the benefit system does it?
;-) #ukedchat
Mr_Thorne 20:59:00RT @ForesterJo: @Mr_Thorne you mean all hail the dragon's
breath! #ukedchat
scholaforis 20:59:00#ukedchat forest school and learning outdoors very collaberative
and shared experience for all - Try it
bevevans22 20:59:00
@colport There are no answers. Everyone's different. Personalised
learning & offering variety in the classroom might help things?
#ukedchat
SkoorBttaM 20:59:00@helenmew and that's from birth. why don't we complain about
how boys are portrayed on bill boards, adverts etc?!! #ukedchat
MissCitizenship 20:59:00
RT @Cgeo28 #ukedchat yes kids 4 individuals but put 30 in same
room & things change. Gender as well as ability, age, etc has 2b
considered
sellyeve 20:59:00 Many thanks to all! #ukedchat
bartoneducation 20:59:00It's a great debate. Both genders deliver the deals in different ways.
Could go on ... #ukedchat.
JaneWoods3 20:59:00
RT @bartoneducation: Girl/Boy thing. There are differences. But if u
teach 2 gender you only recognise 1 aspect of child. #ukedchat -
true!!
colport 20:59:00
RT @carolrainbow: #ukedchat We really never had ADHD until
about 15-20 years ago. Where did it come from? I am very
suspicious, sport, play engagement needed
CHAR0ULA 21:00:00
still convinced that if the attitudes of the families towards boys and
girls change the kids will perform the same at school #ukedchat
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ICTtower 21:00:00I agree RT #ukedchat We really never had ADHD until about 15-20
years ago. Where did it come from? I am very suspicious,....
ForesterJo 21:00:00 @Mr_Thorne the parents or the staff?????????????????#ukedchat
Joga5 21:00:00Time's up - thanks for a great hour - will try to get it written up
when my head has stopped spinning! #ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 21:00:00RT @clairelowe2: @curricadvocate @JfB57 need strong school
values well developed and understood by all #Ukedchat
ukedchat 21:00:00
BONG x9 It's 9pm. Another #ukedchat has whizzed by! Thanks to
@Joga5 for hosting & thank you for participating. Hope it got you
thinking!
icttalk 21:00:00 #ukedchat Sorry I'm late. Whatever happened to personalisation?
ICTtower 21:01:00 1st time here - manic! But enjoyed it #ukedchat
ForesterJo 21:01:00
RT @scholaforis: #ukedchat forest school and learning outdoors
very collaborative and shared experience for all - Try it - do the
training!
curricadvocate 21:01:00
@carolrainbow #ukedchat ADHD - wow. have you been reading
Ofsted publications? goes back to good teaching again. consistency
of approaches
PTPIPaige 21:01:00RT @ukedchat: @janwebb21 is hosting #ukedchat next week. The
poll is already available at http://ukedchat.wikispaces.com/poll
colport 21:01:00Oh look....Gareth is on BBC2 now, trying to engage boys in primary
school #ukedchat
MrsThorne 21:01:00 @DrAshCasey Sad about it. We need more risk takers #ukedchat
TheHeadsOffice 21:01:00@curricadvocate We amalgamated with Infants so had to develop a
vision so got parents involved. #Ukedchat
ukedchat 21:01:00
@janwebb21 is hosting #ukedchat next week. The poll is already
available at http://ukedchat.wikispaces.com/poll
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TheHeadsOffice 21:02:00Thank you all VERY much! Great discussion & we can change
society!! #Ukedchat
sellyeve 21:02:00Catriona_O: @cybraryman1 #ukedchat don't they need good
teachers first and foremost?
curricadvocate 21:02:00@TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat cool - just seen it missed out too often
when developing an ethos that insists on reducing stereotyping.
Joga5 21:02:00New blog post - keynote from a digital media conf. New and really
detailed booklist on it http://tinyurl.com/373g2eh #ukedchat
carolrainbow 21:02:00#ukedchat: Thank you to @Joga5 for hosting - can't believe it is
over already - was five minutes late arriving - sorry about that ;-)
carolrainbow 21:03:00
@curricadvocate No - no time to read Ofsted report yet - must do
that this weekend. But pretty sure good teachers avoid ADHD probs
#ukedchat
bevevans22 21:03:00
#ukedchat over for another week (although it will continue on as
usual). Well done @Joga5 - you were Mr Awesome keeping us in
check!
janwebb21 21:03:00@ukedchat thanks! sorry I was only able to dip in and out tonight -
looking forward to a good chat next week! #ukedchat
Joga5 21:03:00@bartoneducation heehee! I do let myself down by not learning to
bite my tongue! #ukedchat
CHAR0ULA 21:03:00 thanks a lot @Joga5 #ukedchat
SkoorBttaM 21:03:00@ICTtower and these kids are receiving medication for it!
#ukedchat
curricadvocate 21:03:00 #ukedchat @Joga5. Thanks. Great chat. Blog started.
ForesterJo 21:03:00@colport just off to watch it myself - just wish their teachers would
SMILE!!!!!! #ukedchat
colport 21:04:00
@ForesterJo They seem so negative about it....rather than joining
the journey and enthusiasm #ukedchat
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kindlinglily 21:04:00
RT @ForesterJo: RT @scholaforis: #ukedchat forest school and
learning outdoors very collaborative and shared experience for all -
Try it - do the training!
Joga5 21:04:00 @CHAR0ULA No worries - a great chat tonight #ukedchat
Joga5 21:04:00
@curricadvocate Likewise! Thinking about more inclusive
pedagogies (that awful phrase quality first teaching comes in!)
#ukedchat
ForesterJo 21:04:00@Joga5 Thank you Sir - don't envy you writing this one up!
#ukedchat - sounds like conference went well too! :0)
TheHeadsOffice 21:04:00
@Joga5 Thank you for doing such a splendid job!! Shall we build in
fines for those late arrivers or sweets for those on time!!:)
#Ukedchat
helenmew 21:05:00My first #ukedchat - thanks to everyone - only a governor so not a
professional, but lots of food for thought, cheers
ForesterJo 21:05:00@Mr_Thorne we're definitely getting there and it certainly makes all
the difference #ukedchat
janwebb21 21:05:00@Joga5 sorry to have missed a lot of #ukedchat - looking forward to
catching up with the lists!
bartoneducation 21:05:00
@Joga5 No, its a classic. Do you do a reading list for #ukedchat?
Links etc. I could do one for this one and see how it turns out. Boy-
thing
Joga5 21:05:00@ForesterJo I was a bit hyper as an hour keynote but they seemed
to enjoy it!!! #ukedchat
sellyeve 21:06:00
RT @carolrainbow: #ukedchat We really never had ADHD until
about 15-20 years ago. Where did it come from? I am very
suspicious, sport, play engagement needed
scholaforis 21:06:00
#ukedchat - my first! thanks, very interesting. good to develop
further with some folk. Paperwork concentration may now suffer
tonight!
Joga5 21:06:00@TheHeadsOffice It was fast and furious hour but loved it!
#ukedchat
Baggiepr 21:06:00
@carolrainbow ADHD drug Ritalin discovered/ created before
"condition" clever marketing. #ukedchat
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primarypete_ 21:06:00
RT @Joga5: New blog post - keynote from a digital media conf. New
and really detailed booklist on it http://tinyurl.com/373g2eh
#ukedchat
bevevans22 21:07:00
@ebd35 You will have to make sure it's on you set the alarm on
your phone for #ukedchat :) Paul suggests banging yourself on the
head!!
PhoenixSher 21:07:00
RT @herrn96: Ofsted subject-specific guidance docs make for
interesting reading, esp quality of teaching and curriculum
#ukedchat http://bit.ly/9XfXjj
ProEdNet 21:07:00
Great #ukedchat thanks all, some really interesting views on the
topic, would really value any feedback from all on upcoming
Proednet survey
colport 21:07:00 @bevanbar Do you mean #ukedchat ?
ForesterJo 21:07:00
@Mr_Thorne have asked all staff to think about lang use-not
starting sentences with STOP!, DON'T, NO-hard but making a
difference #ukedchat
carolrainbow 21:08:00
RT @Baggiepr: @carolrainbow ADHD drug Ritalin discovered/
created before "condition" clever marketing. #ukedchat Worrying to
say the least!
Joga5 21:08:00@janwebb21 Have got another couple on the go! Environmental
and one called Beautiful Books! #ukedchat
Mr_Thorne 21:09:00one of my year 1 children today asked me to help him put his
swimming bag on him 'the postman way' ...how cute! #ukedchat
dan_bowen 21:09:00gutted missed #ukedchat tonight. Argh. was busy doing SEN
stuff....oh well will read over and catch up
Mallrat_uk 21:09:00Anyone got a good way to encourage students to an after school
astronomy club? #ukedchat
altrudrama 21:09:00
Work interrupted by an interesting #ukedchat. Back to it now - lots
of writing & planning to do to let everyone know about our new
projects
lauradoggett 21:10:00
RT @ProEdNet: The Independent looks at the achievements of the
Teach First programme as it begins its expansion http://bit.ly/citUi0
#ukedchat
cybraryman1 21:10:00
@carolrainbow I agree. Unfortunately most good teachers would
not stay in our school because of the conditions. High turnover.#ukedchat
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dan_bowen 21:10:00
RT @herrn96: Ofsted subject-specific guidance docs make for
interesting reading, esp quality of teaching and curriculum
#ukedchat http://bit.ly/9XfXjj
dan_bowen 21:10:00
RT @ProEdNet: The Independent looks at the achievements of the
Teach First programme as it begins its expansion http://bit.ly/citUi0
#ukedchat
clairelowe2 21:11:00@curricadvocate actually more in tune with CPR although not
enough new tech in Alexander yet! #ukedchat
KnikiDavies 21:11:00 OUCH! The Kagan book is £38 on Amazon!!!! #ukedchat
janwebb21 21:11:00 @Joga5 #ukedchat looking forward to it!
IslingtonEMAS 21:11:00 Would like to join in a #ukedchat what's the next topic?
carolrainbow 21:12:00@cybraryman1 Yes - lots of money probably the only answer -
Golden hellos etc :-( #ukedchat
ukedchat 21:12:00 The #ukedchat archive process has started
cliffmanning 21:12:00
RT @teachingmusicuk: "We are Teaching Music" report launches
tomorrow - get a sneak peak at http://bit.ly/alIRhr #musiced
#ukedchat #edchat
colport 21:13:00@IslingtonEMAS It is up to the vote. See here
http://ukedchat.wikispaces.com/poll #ukedchat
dughall 21:13:00 RT @CHAR0ULA: thanks a lot @Joga5 #ukedchat