ukedchat archive 12 jan 2012
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Hosted by @danhaeslerWhat is the Purpose of Education?
mrpeel 20:07 @danhaesler #ukedchat here and now - if short term equates with
exams and uni - sad. longer term must be about life
philallman1 20:07 #ukedchat we are enthusing the children of today to be the movers
and shakers of tomorrow. Removing glass ceilings to their capability.
deborahrecord 20:08to develop skills which will enable chn to differentiate and addressinformation critically to build knowledge and understanding
#ukedchat
mrpeel 20:08RT @derekwingrove: is this to suggest that pre league tables this was
impossible? #ukedchat
ePaceonline 20:08
RT @cherrylkd: #ukedchat purpose of ed is to equip ch with skills to
be life long learners with confidence to try new things & learn from
mistakes.
liz21cln 20:08I agree with this... @deborahrecord: purpose is to help people
achieve their potential #ukedchat"
ukedchat 20:08 #ukedchat now.."As a teacher. what do you see the purpose ofeducation as being?" with @danhaesler
danhaesler 20:08Why is it that Govt's view of education is so far removed to that of
the profession? #ukedchat
philallman1 20:08@derekwingrove except exams don't show strengths do they, they
show you can pass a test #ukedchat
PeterSpencer88 20:08 #ukedchat the problem with the condem govt is that they are all
about results and not about ensuring the best start for every child
jwinchester25 20:08 the purpose of education - to prepare students for lifelong learning
and coping with the trials & tribulations of the real world #ukedchat
cherrylkd 20:08 #ukedchat purpose of ed is to equip ch with skills to be life long
learners with confidence to try new things & learn from mistakes.
hip_teacher 20:09Always good to see de bono get an early mention #ukedchat #aces
danhaesler 20:09
RT @TommyTeachPE: I think it is prudent to ask what is the nature of
education as well as the purpose. Do people think they are the
same? #ukedchat
NuttyA10 20:09
@danhaesler Poss because many of them went to sch in the past &
haven't moved on #ukedchat
TommyTeachPE 20:09 I think it is prudent to ask what is the nature of education as well as
the purpose. Do people think they are the same? #ukedchat
headteacher01 20:10Who should determine the purpose? Parents, pupils? #ukedchat
Educationchat 20:10
RT @davidErogers: Gove isn't in my classroom and we shouldn't do
anything for politicians or ofsted but cos it's the right thing to do
#ukedchat
ICTwitz 20:10@TommyTeachPE No I don't. I think they're two completely different
political beasts #ukedchat
philallman1 20:10@derekwingrove competency based curricula are the most effective
the world over #ukedchat
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thisisliamm 20:11@ukedchat #ukedchat - To equip children with relevant and required
skills for the world they will enter as an adult.
LearningSpy 20:11#UKedchat the purpose of education is to civilize - to prepare
individuals to benefit society. Or something
danhaesler 20:11@NuttyA10 But didn't we all go to school in the past? #ukedchat
riley_ed 20:11 @jwinchester25 Well said, couldn't have put it better myself#ukedchat
mrpeel 20:11
#ukedchat i teach with the hope that some students will question
accepted platitudes and form their own opinions after engaging in
thought
LearningSpy 20:12@mrpeel Being good at exams shows that you're good at exams.
Little else #ukedchat
Educationchat 20:12 Education is and always will be a political football. Governments use
schools to try and clean up society's mess. #ukedchat
SheilaSpeaking 20:12 RT @ukedchat: #ukedchat now.."As a teacher. what do you see thepurpose of education as being?" with @danhaesler
ScratchEdTeam 20:12
RT @chrismayoh: Had a great 'Introduction to Scratch' lesson with
Year 6 this afternoon. Think they're going to enjoy this one! #GBL
#Scratch #ukedchat
In2schools 20:12RT @danhaesler: As teachers what do YOU see the purpose of
education as being? #ukedchat
derekwingrove 20:12@philallman1 how do you measure the children's competency?
#ukedchat
jwinchester25 20:12 @riley_ed thanks!! #ukedchat
mrpeel 20:12@derekwingrove #ukedchat agree, but exam results show learning,
not nec abilities
NuttyA10 20:12 @danhaesler We did but we keep in touch because we work in an
edn system daily, how many govt officials keep in touch? #ukedchat
danhaesler 20:12
RT @NuttyA10: Why does govt agenda appear so far removed from
edn, is it cause MPs work in a job far removed from true society?
They lose touch? #ukedchat
Babbleaboutbks 20:13Might it be easier to say what the purpose of education is NOT to be?
#ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:13
@derekwingrove It's an old chestnut, but not everything that counts
can be measured and not everything that can be measured counts#ukedchat
Bectully 20:13
In secondary ed, many purposes as many subjects-Common themes
are always self esteem, aspiration & loving learning now & in future
#Ukedchat
mrpeel 20:13@headteacher01 #ukedchat not govt. schools freer to make clear
ethos and parents freer to choose...
Educationchat 20:13
Government's can't tell parents what to do because they want their
vote and parents won't listen anyway, but can tell teachers!
#ukedchat
NuttyA10 20:13 @danhaesler Many MPs/govt officials have opinion of well we went
to school 1 day but it has changed, society has changed. #ukedchat
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LearningSpy 20:14@PeterSpencer88 Yes and Ofsted inspectors that had to be current
teachers #ukedchat
jamesdhobsonuk 20:14Purpose of ed:to allow the privileged to get further ahead ( at least
that what it often feels like!) #ukedchat
Babbleaboutbks 20:14
RT @In2schools: To teach children to be critical thinkers, confident in
being who they are, active learners and happy- just a small order
#ukedchat
derekwingrove 20:14@mrpeel but exams can show abilities, e.g. driving test or CORGI
#ukedchat
MrsWhites_Class 20:14
RT @LearningSpy: @derekwingrove It's an old chestnut, but not
everything that counts can be measured and not everything that can
be measured counts #ukedchat
chrismayoh 20:14Surely education is about helping to instill in pupils a genuine passion
for learning? #ukedchat
In2schools 20:14 To teach children to be critical thinkers, confident in being who they
are, active learners and happy- just a small order #ukedchatphilallman1 20:14
@danhaesler children need to thrive in their environment. Narrow
curricular objectives do not do that. #ukedchat
PeterSpencer88 20:14
@danhaesler Wouldn't it be great to have MPs and education
secretaries that had been teachers or worked in ed sector?
#ukedchat
danhaesler 20:14
RT @LearningSpy: @derekwingrove It's an old chestnut, but not
everything that counts can be measured and not everything that can
be measured counts #ukedchat
cherrylkd 20:15
@NuttyA10 @danhaesler #ukedchat That's why they think they're
experts. They went to school once. Society has moved on & so has
education
mlovatt1 20:15 RT @alatalite: If any of #ukedchat are interested I've stuck up a few
of my presentations on learning, coaching how page of my blog
jwinchester25 20:15@derekwingrove @philallman1 Managing Situations, Citizenship and
Learning 2/2 #ukedchat
jwinchester25 20:15 @derekwingrove @philallman1 we have competency framework in
SEN based on comps for Life, Relating to People, 1/2 #ukedchat
Nevbar1 20:15
Improve numeracy with 7 Cs http://t.co/5PppDtZJ #education
#edchat #ukedchat
NuttyA10 20:16@cherrylkd @danhaesler & they often don't remember that. Have
attitude well it worked for us but did it?! #ukedchat
Bectully 20:16
In my classroom-drama studio-portercabin, Students learn to
understand society and its issues, appreciate art form and know
selves #UKEDCHAT
oldandrewuk 20:16#ukedchat Right. The purpose of education is to make people
smarter. This should be obvious.
chrismayoh 20:16 @In2schools I suppose you could say that, yes #ukedchat
philallman1 20:16
@derekwingrove you don't need to measure everything but if you
need to look at CEA Personalisation by Pieces. Works for me!#ukedchat
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Heatherleatt 20:16RT @Babbleaboutbks: Might it be easier to say what the purpose of
education is NOT to be? #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:16 Session 80 - As a teacher, what do you see the purpose of education
as being? http://t.co/2syKQr3w ukedchat's Space {{#ukedchat}}
mrpeel 20:16 @derekwingrove #ukedchat practical exams in practical areas -agreed - music/drama/art, too, but not in many classroom areas
HemBem 20:16HELP! Tips how to encourage quiet & not v confident #ESL students
to speak more? #tlchat #ukedchat #ESOL #TEFL
liz21cln 20:16 #ukedchat Historically, no education meant no way out of poverty.
So education has to be partly about breaking the poverty trap?
GaryAveryICT 20:16 Education = 'capacity'.. to improve, to aspire, to know, to develop, to
question, to evaluate, to reflect, to . fill as required #ukedchat
In2schools 20:16@chrismayoh think they have the passion before they start formaleducation- surely role is to maintain as oppose to kill it off?!
#ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:16@jamesdhobsonuk That's the purpose of private education
#ukedchat
Heatherleatt 20:17 @LearningSpy @PeterSpencer88 current cohort of trainee inspectors
are either serving teachers or those recently in teaching #ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:17#ukedchat I suspect doctors don't agonise over the purpose of
medicine. It's to make people well.
headteacher01 20:17@mrpeel parents often see happiness as the main measure of a
successful school. #ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:17 @GeogJo Which is interesting because the real purpose of education
is to civilize - to prepare individuals to benefit society #ukedchat
jackieschneider 20:18#ukedchat - giant child minding service to allow parents to go out &
be productive?
captainrobs 20:18 RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat Right. The purpose of education is to
make people smarter. This should be obvious.
mrpeel 20:18 RT @NuttyA10: @cherrylkd @danhaesler #ukedchat society movesfaster than edu - we need to prepare them for all eventualities
LearningSpy 20:18 @oldandrewuk certainly not the motivation behind state education -
it's to create a useful workforce. THAT should be obvious #ukedchat
TommyTeachPE 20:18 ask youself, does the nature of my job meet the purpose of what I
think I am doing it for? if no, we need to close the gap #ukedchat
danhaesler 20:18 What do today's parents see the purpose of education as being?
Would they stand for a big shift? Do they want a shift? #ukedchat
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NuttyA10 20:18 RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat I suspect doctors don't agonise over
the purpose of medicine. It's to make people well.
LearningSpy 20:19@Heatherleatt About time, but recently isn't good enough #ukedchat
Heatherleatt 20:19
#ukedchat purpose of edu is to motivate & enthuse people to want
to learn; to explore; be creative & imaginative. To fulfill theirpotential
ICTwitz 20:19@danhaesler #ukedchat Society sees children as an add on! Forget
parental responsibilities, expect state to child-mind!
mrpeel 20:19 @captainrobs #ukedchat to make them more dapper?
JazzieDe 20:19@Bectully Sounds like learning that will last in an ever changing
world #ukedchat We need more of that!
danhaesler 20:19@oldandrewuk @captainrobs can you make someone "smarter?"
What does that mean? #ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:19@oldandrewuk But is it? I'd say it's make us feel better. Not quite the
same #ukedchatjohnmclear 20:19
@oldandrewuk Actually being a doctor is also about preventing
people from being ill.. #ukedchat
mattbuxton10 20:19Isn't it so that kids know stuff, and then can use this stuff to figure
out more stuff? #ukedchat
davidwebster 20:19 @bucharesttutor always law-abiding? maybe make them able to
judge for themselves whether they should obey laws? #ukedchat
In2schools 20:20@danhaesler Unfortunately agree with @jackieschneider Shift would
need to be massive, not big #ukedchat
danhaesler 20:20I'm still wondering how on earth we can tell if our students are
"reaching their potential" #ukedchat
GaryAveryICT 20:20
Aren't we also preparing children for jobs that might not even be
around yet.. Who knows what skills they'll need in 10 years time
#ukedchat
Crewepartner 20:20why maths and science are important in Crewe #ukedchat
http://t.co/M5bAlLUO
johnmclear 20:20 @jackieschneider #ukedchat oooooooo, brutal ;)
Babbleaboutbks 20:20
RT @Heatherleatt: #ukedchat purpose of edu is to motivate &
enthuse people to want to learn; to explore; be creative &
imaginative. To fulfill their potential
headteacher01 20:21 > unfortunately yes RT @jackieschneider #ukedchat - giant child
minding service to allow parents to go out & be productive?
BrightAire 20:21Purpose is to equip people to be happy and contribute to a changing
world. #ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:21 RT @mrpeel: @captainrobs #ukedchat to make them more dapper?
Ha! This *should* be the purpose of education perhaps
In2schools 20:21
RT @Heatherleatt: #ukedchat purpose of edu is to motivate &
enthuse people to want to learn; to explore; be creative &
imaginative. To fulfill their potential
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jamesdhobsonuk 20:21
RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat Schools are not orphanages for
children with parents. Nor are they amusement parks, training camps
or a job training scheme.
jamesdhobsonuk 20:21ukedchat;education creates choices;choices are a substantial type of
freedom
LearningSpy 20:21@danhaesler If it means 'more intelligent' then Dweck's research
suggests you can make people smarter #ukedchat
mrpeel 20:21@danhaesler #ukedchat no you can't - you can increase knowledge
and try to show how to use it
oldandrewuk 20:21 #ukedchat Schools are not orphanages for children with parents. Nor
are they amusement parks, training camps or a job training scheme.
bucharesttutor 20:21@davidwebster well law abiding I meant showing the differences
between right and wrong #ukedchat
sanabituranima 20:22RT @mrpeel: @danhaesler #ukedchat no you can't - you can
increase knowledge and try to show how to use it
sanabituranima 20:22 RT @LearningSpy: @danhaesler If it means 'more intelligent' then
Dweck's research suggests you can make people smarter #ukedchat
ejw232 20:22@GaryAveryICT this is so true. Education needs to continually adapt
and change #ukedchat
NessainBath 20:22
RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat Schools are not orphanages for
children with parents. Nor are they amusement parks, training camps
or a job training scheme.
mrpeel 20:22@danhaesler #ukedchat i cant - not even allowed to set my own
predicted grades any more...
oldandrewuk 20:22 #ukedchat Also we know what makes people smarter: knowledge (in
the broad sense which includes fluency and understanding).
captainrobs 20:22 Right #ukedchat , I had a bad day teaching supply in Primary. Class do
not respond to usual rules/expectations. What should I do next time?
informed_edu 20:22
RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat Schools are not orphanages for
children with parents. Nor are they amusement parks, training camps
or a job training scheme.
jamesdhobsonuk 20:22#ukedchat;education creates choices;choices are a substantial type
of freedom
jasminedwyer 20:22#ukedchat Educn is society's biggest investment! Imagine Govt offuture wd b ur past pupils so wd actually use & engage with ur vision
today
JamiePortman 20:23
Any schools targeting low level student disruption in class? Be
interested to hear about whole school approaches #edchat
#ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:23
#ukedchat So education is about passing on knowledge, and that
should be the best of what has been thought or known in our
culture.
davidhunter 20:23
RT @Educationchat: Education is and always will be a political
football. Governments use schools to try and clean up society's mess.#ukedchat
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danhaesler 20:23
RT @Bectully: I'm still wondering if I can acurately gauge someone's
potential... mine even? Dylan Moran says potential is a dirty word...
#Ukedchat
VanessaAKnox 20:23
RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat Schools are not orphanages for
children with parents. Nor are they amusement parks, training camps
or a job training scheme.
captainrobs 20:23 @captainrobs #ukedchat Please bear in mind, I have never hadbehaviour issues like the ones I had before.
jackieschneider 20:23
#ukedchat - a way of ensuring kids know their place in society?
Working class kids get ready for service industries, public sch kids
rule
danhaesler 20:23 RT @LearningSpy: @danhaesler If it means 'more intelligent' then
Dweck's research suggests you can make people smarter #ukedchat
Bectully 20:23 I'm still wondering if I can acurately gauge someone's potential...
mine even? Dylan Moran says potential is a dirty word... #Ukedchat
chrismayoh 20:24
Knowledge is an interesting one now though. What IS knowledge
when I can find the answer to anything on Google in seconds?
#ukedchat
Babbleaboutbks 20:24Maybe someone should ask the Finnish Education Minister what he
thinks about the purpose of education?? #ukedchat
IRIS_Connect 20:24 We can really teach creativity but provide the environment to
encourage and stimulate creativity #futureteched #ukedchat
danhaesler 20:24 If education is just about passing on knowledge - How long before
teachers are no longer required. Mr Google? #ukedchat
90_maz 20:24 #ukedchat surely it's about teaching basic skills needed to live as a
member of society.literate, numerate and questioning
Heatherleatt 20:24
#ukedchat To be able to thrive and be a part of society, everyone
needs to be literate & numerate. We need to teach kids that as a
minimum
MissSMerrill 20:24 Education is about nurturing young minds. Inspiring them and giving
the power and capacity to be successful adults. #ukedchat
JazzieDe 20:24@ejw232 So do the people educating what happens if they can't do itquick enough ? #ukedchat
mrpeel 20:24
#ukedchat anyone worry that though we impart knowledge to best
of our ability, language is such an imprecise medium for
transmission?
mattbuxton10 20:24
@deborahrecord Yes, know things leads to development of skills
which leads to knowing more things, and so on indefinitely?!?
#ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:24 @GaryAveryICT No. This is a myth! #ukedchat
danhaesler 20:25 RT @ICTwitz: @danhaesler I think the role and expectation of theteacher will need to change to help facilitate learning. #ukedchat
ejw232 20:25 @jackieschneider ooooh, I hope we don't do this. #ukedchat
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davidhunter 20:25 Funny.All this has inspired me to start a blog (a first).My only rule is
keep it under 200 words. http://t.co/enKrUHfZ #ukedchat
ICTwitz 20:25@danhaesler I think the role and expectation of the teacher will need
to change to help facilitate learning. #ukedchat
ClaireJoanneICT 20:25 @GaryAveryICT Yes this is difficult to cater for #ukedchat
In2schools 20:25 Anyone read 'Momo' by Michael Ende? Very relevant to discussion re
adults not having proper time for kids #ukedchat
comtessa69 20:25
RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat Schools are not orphanages for
children with parents. Nor are they amusement parks, training camps
or a job training scheme.
PhilWheeler1 20:25
RT @ICTwitz: #ukedchat The purpose of education is surely to
prepare pupils for their lives in the future. Not government agendas
today!
EmathsUK 20:25 #ukedchat purpose is to equip everyone to be able to lead successfullives in which they positively contribute to society
philallman1 20:25 @oldandrewuk but knowledge is fixed in a point in time without
context and skills to develop for the future. #ukedchat
TommyTeachPE 20:26 @danhaesler totally understand, I'm a PE teacher who thinks all his
pupils to the olympics, do pupils have a learning ceiling? #ukedchat
BobbyCarrot8 20:26
RT @JamiePortman: Any schools targeting low level student
disruption in class? Be interested to hear about whole school
approaches #edchat #ukedchat
danhaesler 20:26Surely teachers will alsways be the channel through which kids truly
"engage" #ukedchat
HelenaPielichat 20:26
RT @LearningSpy: @derekwingrove It's an old chestnut, but not
everything that counts can be measured and not everything that can
be measured counts #ukedchat
90_maz 20:26 @chrismayoh can google teach you to read? #ukedchat
mattbuxton10 20:26
@ejw232 Absolutely, without knowing in 1st place is very difficult to
want/be able to know more, nor add to it with what they want
#ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:26
#ukedchat Or at greater length: http://t.co/8LyoADJE
http://t.co/SrqZPptU http://t.co/VPBBdFVt http://t.co/ThV4QdsKhttp://t.co/xhoK94V2
MissSMerrill 20:26 #ukedchat education is about enabling children to understand the
world around them and giving them the tools to survive in it.
NuttyA10 20:26@ICTwitz @danhaesler And if they don't then no longer required?
#ukedchat
GaryAveryICT 20:26Knowledge is not learning... #ukedchat Just because I know
something doesn't mean i'm educates
EduSum 20:26 @Bectully @danhaesler can't determine own or others potential, Idon't believe. Setting unrealistic goals if we claim to. #ukedchat
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jwinchester25 20:26@danhaesler but teachers are there to support learning not just pass
on knowledge.#ukedchat
jodie_gardiner 20:26
RT @LearningSpy: @derekwingrove It's an old chestnut, but not
everything that counts can be measured and not everything that can
be measured counts #ukedchat
BrightAire 20:27 @LearningSpy @mrpeel @captainrobs - Sartorial Studies sounds likea Gove initiative if ever there was one #ukedchat
riley_ed 20:27 #ukedchat Economics once taught me that education either develops
productivity or acts as a signal for future productivity. Controversial!
jamesdhobsonuk 20:27
#ukedchat Passing on knowledge, beyond some basics, is a gamble.
What knowledge will matter in 10,50 years? Pass on ability to acquire
+use
NuttyA10 20:27
@danhaesler But if there are things like internet that teaches
knowledge & that's what edn is about then tchrs not needed?
#ukedchat
newmoonuk 20:27
RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat Schools are not orphanages for
children with parents. Nor are they amusement parks, training camps
or a job training scheme.
Heatherleatt 20:27
#ukedchat Interesting to define knowledge and what we believe is
essential. This differs from country to country; govt to govt, who
decides?
mrpeel 20:27 @chrismayoh #ukedchat knowledge helps you work out which of
million answers are useful - not to take at face value
SheliBB 20:27
@danhaesler to help children learn about our cultural heritage, to
develop good moral values and a passion for lifelong learning
#ukedchat
ejw232 20:27
@chrismayoh Exactly. Gone are the days where teacher was font of
all knowledge.Show students how to learn, why to learn etc
#ukedchat
In2schools 20:27 @EmathsUK How do you define successful? #ukedchat
TommyTeachPE 20:27@danhaesler and if they do hoe do we work it out? #ukedchat
jackieschneider 20:27 #ukedchat - despite my last tweets I passionately believe ed can be
transformative BUT we teachers need to be aware of big picture
GaryAveryICT 20:27doesn't it? #ukedchat ... plainly I need to be educated how to type
again!
JackHart67 20:27
RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat Schools are not orphanages for
children with parents. Nor are they amusement parks, training camps
or a job training scheme.
headteacher01 20:27@Bectully potential suggests a fixed limit, Dwek suggests a growth
model. We try to use that idea #ukedchat
ICTwitz 20:27 @NuttyA10 Not in same capacity, possibly! #ukedchat
GaryAveryICT 20:28@NuttyA10 If you are promoting 'deeper learning' I thnk thats true
#ukedchat
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SheliBB 20:28 #ukedchat to celebrate difference and value other's contributions; to
know their strengths and have the desire to improve weaknesses
davidhunter 20:28
We measure a country's success on GDP.I therefore contend the
purpose of ed is to compete on a global level #ukedchat
#devilsadvocate
In2schools 20:28 @MissSMerrill Perhaps we want them to do more than survive it-
change it, be critical of it, enjoy it? Some ideas! #ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:28 #ukedchat Schools cannot directly solve social problems, transform
the economy, make everybody happy or create a utopia.
ejw232 20:28@jwinchester25 @danhaesler We are facilitators of learning now.
Not teachers of knowledge #ukedchat
sufiyapatel 20:28
@danhaesler it can't just be abt passing on knowledge. The
etymology of the word shows us something; it's about drawing things
out #UKEdChatEddieGouthwaite 20:28
#UKEdChat the best way to Learn is the 3 Rs' Get that right they will
learn photocopies are no good
NuttyA10 20:28@ICTwitz So no teacher training as not needed as only need
facilitators? #ukedchat
respros 20:29#ukedchat At its best education makes us free, and its worst it
reinforces the status quo.
danhaesler 20:29
Ok.. Here's my take on purpose of ed. To empower kids to learn
about themselves, their world, and how they can make it better
#ukedchat
philallman1 20:29
@davidhunter the irony is we become more competitive the less we
focus on getting the 'workforce ready' in the traditional sense!
#ukedchat
andyt21 20:29 @ukedchat inspiring thoughts about the future but let's not forget
the present. The opportunity to create, explore, build, collaborate...
mrpeel 20:29@jackieschneider #ukedchat teachers shouldnt peddle stereotypes
or encourage children to accept them
SheilaSpeaking 20:29 RT @danhaesler: We say we want kids to reach their potential. But
how do we know if/when they are doing so? #ukedchat
NuttyA10 20:29@GaryAveryICT Solve the pension crisis in one fell swoop! ;0)#ukedchat
Markynicholls 20:29#ukedchat we are here to inspire and enthuse children by bringing
learning into the 21st century!
SheilaSpeaking 20:29
RT @danhaesler: What do today's parents see the purpose of
education as being? Would they stand for a big shift? Do they want a
shift? #ukedchat
chrismayoh 20:29 @ejw232 Precisely! #ukedchat
ClaireJoanneICT 20:29@chrismayoh You need to develop understanding though, don't you?
#ukedchat
In2schools 20:29RT @riley_ed: #ukedchat Economics once taught me that educationeither develops productivity or acts as a signal for future
productivity. Controversial!
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LearningSpy 20:29
@mrpeel This is why we need to design teaching sequences carefully -
Ss need to encounter concepts at least 3 times to *know* them
#ukedchat
mattbuxton10 20:29 Google (and books for that matter) might provide information and
opinion, but is this the same as knowledge? #ukedchat
chrismayoh 20:29@90_maz Not well, but my point is that the nature of knowledge haschanged. It's more important to be able to interrogate 'facts'
#ukedchat
BobbyCarrot8 20:29
RT @JamiePortman: Gove on Curriculum '...our school system is not
preparing our children for this world.' The irony behind this beggars
belief! #ukedchat
PhilWheeler1 20:29
RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat Schools are not orphanages for
children with parents. Nor are they amusement parks, training camps
or a job training scheme.
my_INaSENSE 20:30
RT @Bectully: In my classroom-drama studio-portercabin, Students
learn to understand society and its issues, appreciate art form andknow selves #UKEDCHAT
chrismayoh 20:30@ClaireJoanneICT Certainly, but through allowing pupils to explore,
not to cram their heads with facts #ukedchat
23lilb 20:30
RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat Schools are not orphanages for
children with parents. Nor are they amusement parks, training camps
or a job training scheme.
mrpeel 20:30@BrightAire #ukedchat dapper children taught by dapper teachers in
a new initiative?
oldandrewuk 20:30
#ukedchat Also, some apparently academic aims like "thinking skills",
"creativity" or "independence" are largely excuses for dumbing
down.
LearningSpy 20:30@danhaesler Do we really want a private corporation to determine
which knowledge is important/valid? #ukedchat
NuttyA10 20:30@oldandrewuk But surely schools currently create a utopia?
#ukedchat Too far removed from society?
ukedchat 20:30 8.30. #ukedchat this evening half way through with @danhaesler
talking about the purpose of education. Join in :-)
chrismayoh 20:30 @mrpeel Yes, exactly. The *more* important skill now is to be able
to work out the usefulness and validity of information #ukedchat
JazzieDe 20:31
@Markynichols #ukedchat Teachers need to be able to inspire and
motivate, can this be taught? Does this come automatically if
intelligent?
mrpeel 20:31#ukedchat I know more than many 14 yr olds, but do I always apply
knowledge more effectively?
danhaesler 20:31@LearningSpy or in some cases even in existence! Try googling
Tianamen Square in China! #ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:31 @danhaesler Also Sugata Mitra's research shows that encouragment
is an important part of using internet effectively #ukedchat
library_unltd 20:31RT @Nevbar1: Improve numeracy with 7 Cs http://t.co/5PppDtZJ
#education #edchat #ukedchat
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MeganCrawford1 20:31 @danhaesler about themselves and others? #ukedchat
SheilaSpeaking 20:31
RT @danhaesler: Ok.. Here's my take on purpose of ed. To empower
kids to learn about themselves, their world, and how they can make
it better #ukedchat
GaryAveryICT 20:31
RT @chrismayoh: @ClaireJoanneICT Certainly, but through allowing
pupils to explore, not to cram their heads with facts #ukedchat >
agreed!
chrismayoh 20:31 RT @ukedchat: 8.30. #ukedchat this evening half way through with
@danhaesler talking about the purpose of education. Join in :-)
Michael_Merrick 20:31
RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat Also, some apparently academic aims
like "thinking skills", "creativity" or "independence" are largely
excuses for dumbing down.
philallman1 20:31@oldandrewuk fundamentally disagree with that. Taught properly it
scales thinking up not dumbs down #ukedchat
PeterSpencer88 20:32
@jamesdhobsonuk passing on passion involves passing on
knowledge, however it shouldn't be the centre of education as Govewants #ukedchat
BrightAire 20:32@mrpeel - think I may need some CPD to bring my sartorial skills up
to scratch #ukedchat #scruffyherbert
ClaireJoanneICT 20:32@mattbuxton10 Surely you need to understand and not just
memorise what you have read #ukedchat
Jentyc 20:32
@ukedchat Isn't it about sharing our experience and how we
interpret the world in which we live, then enable learners to
interpret on own?
danhaesler 20:32@MeganCrawford1 140 characters wouldn't let me include that..
hence "the world" and all that entails :) #ukedchat
Lethandrel 20:33
#ukedchat Quick Q: Are parents' job only to breed customers for
education? Surely emotional well-being, preparation for society is
theirs?
HelenaPielichat 20:33 Great thread to follow if you are in education. More about
importance of reading for pleasure please. #ukedchat #books #arts
LearningSpy 20:33 @90_maz Apparently Tamil children can learn molecular biology in
English with no teacher! So maybe, yes. #ukedchat
davidhunter 20:33
@philallman1 #ukedchat couldn't agree more. Creative thinking and
ec. development will not come from grooming children to take officejobs
MisiesD 20:33
RT @davidErogers: Gove isn't in my classroom and we shouldn't do
anything for politicians or ofsted but cos it's the right thing to do
#ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:33@GaryAveryICT Er, but if you don't know anything then you're
definitely not "educated" #ukedchat
MissSMerrill 20:33
#ukedchat not about box ticking. Its what the children need.
Promoting enjoyment and passion for learning & developing
emotional well being
chrismayoh 20:33 Tiredness really kicking in now. Still so many tweets, blog posts and
links to catch up on though, not to mention #ukedchat!
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In2schools 20:34
RT @JazzieDe: @Markynichols #ukedchat Teachers need to be able
to inspire and motivate, can this be taught? Does this come
automatically if intelligent?
danhaesler 20:34@LearningSpy @90_maz But do they "understand" molecular
biology? #ukedchat
GaryAveryICT 20:34@LearningSpy also true... so is education and educated 2 different
things? #ukedchat
jasminedwyer 20:34 #ukedchat if content is free, why go to school? Kids 'drop out' in
primary and 'hang around' for a few more years. #innovativepractice
_imaginaryme 20:34
Politicians think short term. Policy is based on 5 year popularity
cycle. We are working to secure a better future for each pupil
#ukedchat
mrpeel 20:34 #ukedchat not sure conlibs have monopoly on poor edu ministers -
schools need to take initiative in developing students
In2schools 20:34 @PhilWheeler1 Nice definition of success, shame it isn't like that foradults! #ukedchat
InsiaI 20:35
RT @danhaesler: Ok.. Here's my take on purpose of ed. To empower
kids to learn about themselves, their world, and how they can make
it better #ukedchat
philallman1 20:35RT @GaryAveryICT: is educated a 'measure' and 'education' a
philosophy? #ukedchat
Babbleaboutbks 20:35 @danhaesler Perhaps it's down to the individual then. At some point
we are responsible for our own education. #ukedchat
andyt21 20:35 #ukedchat inspiring thoughts about the future but let's not forget the
present. The opportunity to create, explore, build, collaborate...
GaryAveryICT 20:35is educated a 'measure' and 'education' a philosophy? #ukedchat
ejw232 20:35 @JazzieDe @Markynichols Absolutely not. I've met some truly
intelligent people who completely fail to inspire! #ukedchat
mrpeel 20:35 @BrightAire #ukedchat school trip to Saville Row
cherrylkd 20:35 @NuttyA10 #ukedchat still need teachers for now. The way #Gove is
going there'll be no teachers to decide if we need them or not!
TommyTeachPE 20:36 so many good tweets 2nite on #ukedchat at the end of the day I try
to make every child I have the privilege to to teach, to love learning
LearningSpy 20:36 @danhaesler At least as well (actually better) then privately
educated students in New Delhi http://t.co/ahKwOztG #ukedchat
mattbuxton10 20:36
Too often it appears knowledge is seen 2 simply mean 'facts'; factual
knowledge just one aspect of knowledge, but not the be-all
#ukedchat
ProfTentacles 20:36 #ukedchat Parent's role is to bring their children up as decent human
being and then get the hell out my way so I can teach them.
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PhaedScho 20:36#ukedchat education can also about passing/sharing some of the
best bits of what you have learned in life so far
mrpeel 20:36 #ukedchat some basic edu needed - functional skills in English - letter
writing and so on - wont get jobs without it at a good level
PeterSpencer88 20:36
@MissSMerrill totally agree! How many kids have been turned off by
boring 'teaching to the test'? How many teachers havebeen?#ukedchat
norfolkteacher1 20:36
Why is it that us educators are in consensus about what chn need 2
become successful learners, yet we are often disregarded by
gov?#ukedchat
InsiaI 20:36
RT @SheliBB: #ukedchat to celebrate difference and value other's
contributions; to know their strengths and have the desire to
improve weaknesses
LearningSpy 20:37@oldandrewuk Agreed. But interestingly, that's why they were
created #ukedchat
philallman1 20:37 @oldandrewuk so the fact I know that Henry VIII has 6 wives is moreimp than why is it? #ukedchat
ejw232 20:37@norfolkteacher1 I think I've asked myself this every day for what
feels like forever! #ukedchat
danhaesler 20:37@Vickycarl And how do you help your class to see the importance?
#ukedchat
Markynicholls 20:37 @JazzieDe #ukedchat I don't think that intelligence has anything to
do with motivation. Motivation can definitely be taught
philallman1 20:37 @oldandrewuk no we informa about the past and prepare them for a
future we don't know is going to be like by giving tools #ukedchat
SheliBB 20:38
RT @LearningSpy: @derekwingrove It's an old chestnut, but not
everything that counts can be measured and not everything that can
be measured counts #ukedchat
philallman1 20:38@oldandrewuk not sure any of us are THAT naive! #ukedchat
@learningspy
LearningSpy 20:38@mattbuxton10 I've certainly learnt a lot of stuff from books and
google #ukedchat
mrpeel 20:38 #ukedchat knowledge. How do I know anyone on here exists at all?
knowledge is far too complex a term to use carelessly
mattbuxton10 20:38 @ClaireJoanneICT Of course; knowledge requires understanding
absolutely, and is far beyond simple memory & recall #ukedchat
ejw232 20:38@PeterSpencer88 @MissSMerrill I certainly get fed up with it. Often
no time for things I'd love to do #ukedchat
ProfTentacles 20:38 #ukedchat Purpose of education is provide you with the opportunity
to broaden your mind: in effect, Maslow's self-actualisation
Heatherleatt 20:38
@LearningSpy take your point but it's not easy to get schools to
release senior staff for 18+ days a year to go on inspections!#ukedchat
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Babbleaboutbks 20:38@Markynicholls Motivation has to come from within, surely. But
agree, others can inspire. #ukedchat
philallman1 20:38 @Markynicholls @JazzieDe #ukedchat or inspired!
philallman1 20:39 @oldandrewuk If I want to KNOW something I google it. If I want yto
know WHY I have to think - that is not utopian! #ukedchat
InsiaI 20:39 @danhaesler young people themselves... #ukedchat
NuttyA10 20:39 @nickotkdIV @cherrylkd Dismantling of edn is very sad & going back
to content driven curriculum very backwards thinking #ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:39 @Heatherleatt That's just a logistical problem certainly. Maybe
schools should have a responsibility to do this? #ukedchat
Centre4PublicEd 20:39
RT @danhaesler: Given that we, parents, businesses, govt all have
diff ideas. Who should determine the purpose of education? Can it
be done? #ukedchat
danhaesler 20:39 Do you convey what you see the purpose of ed as being to your
pupils/parents/bosses. What reaction do you get? #ukedchat
SheliBB 20:39
RT @ProfTentacles: #ukedchat Purpose of education is provide you
with the opportunity to broaden your mind: in effect, Maslow's self-
actualisation
davidhunter 20:40
Booth and Ainscow (2002) Index for Inclusion sets out a wider
performance indicator for education that reflects the Finnish model
#ukedchat
danhaesler 20:40 RT@InsiaI: @danhaesler young people themselves... #ukedchat
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Babbleaboutbks 20:41@In2schools Good point. #ukedchat. Be great to get a Steiner
perspective.
mattbuxton10 20:41
@LearningSpy Of course you have, because what you read built on
your prior knowledge - you took the info & did something with it!!
#ukedchat
riley_ed 20:41
#ukedchat @danhaesler No, most non-parent taxpayers simply want
to see a return on their investment, eg. a stronger economy in thelong-run
mberry 20:41 Attracted to idea of rational autonomy as aim of education - freedom
to make and act on informed choices. qv R S Peters #ukedchat ...
MissSMerrill 20:41 #ukedchat you want to raise standards. Think about what will inspire
and engage the children. Standards will raise behavior will improve
philallman1 20:41@oldandrewuk @johnmclear I don't go to my doctor for a
philosophical conversation! #ukedchat
Markynicholls 20:41@philallman1 @JazzieDe @babbleaboutbks It does but can you notdevelop this within young people? Through a positive approach
#ukedchat
ufasarah 20:41
only just joining in tonight's #ukedchat - for me fundamentally
education is the bedrock of democracy, social justice & political
freedom
nightzookeeper 20:42 With @bevevans22 @jodieworld @oliverquinlan talking about what
makes a good teacher at #c84c Any ideas? #ukedchat #BETT_Show
jackieschneider 20:42
RT @oldandrewuk: @LearningSpy #ukedchat Smart people make a
better workforce. But so do healthy people, & nobody says hospitals
are for creating a workforce
InsiaI 20:42
RT @danhaesler: RT@InsiaI: @danhaesler young people
themselves... #ukedchat
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In2schools 20:43@Babbleaboutbks Wish I knew more about it myself... any Steiner
trained teachers following #ukedchat?
ufasarah 20:43 @mberry absolutley has to be #ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:43@oldandrewuk I beg to differ. What on earth else are they for?
#ukedchat
BrightAire 20:43
Young ppl will determine their own economic system after current
employers are dead. We need to equip them to make healthychoices #ukedchat
jackieschneider 20:44Kids often learn DESPITE not because of our teaching #ukedchat
#passthewine
HallyMk1 20:44
Defo sounds Thatcherite RT @mberry ... strong moral purpose to
education too: it's about making society / the world better
#ukedchat
chrismayoh 20:44
RT @danhaesler: 1.2million 16-24 (many with degrees) are out of
work. The ed they have received is no longer required/good
enough... Purpose??? #ukedchat
mrpeel 20:44 @jackieschneider #ukedchat too generalised. i teach selective, huge
number of frees, don't equate selective with wealth - strereotypes.
oldandrewuk 20:44@LearningSpy #ukedchat You think hospitals are for creating a better
workforce? Even geriatric medicine?
HallyMk1 20:44
Sounds Thatcherite MT @mberry Attracted to idea of rational
autonomy as aim of education - freedom to make/act on informed
choices #ukedchat
DanielEzekiel7 20:44
RT @danhaesler: Ok.. Here's my take on purpose of ed. To empower
kids to learn about themselves, their world, and how they can make
it better #ukedchat
Heatherleatt 20:44RT @mberry: ... strong moral purpose to education too: it's about
making society / the world better #ukedchat
PeterSpencer88 20:44
@MissSMerrill @ejw232 it's so disappointing this govt is placing such
an emphasis on tests now, we should be moving away from them
#ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:44 @GaryAveryICT Yes #ukedchat
danhaesler 20:44
1.2million 16-24 (many with degrees) are out of work. The ed they
have received is no longer required/good enough... Purpose???
#ukedchat
90_maz 20:44
RT @mberry: ... strong moral purpose to education too: it's about
making society / the world better #ukedchat
jackieschneider 20:44I wish more schools took the hippocratic oath ie - do no harm
#ukedchat
Babbleaboutbks 20:44 @In2schools Me too. Might also be good to get a homeschooler's
perspective. Someone who has opted out of the system. #ukedchat
ProfTentacles 20:45RT @mberry: ... strong moral purpose to education too: it's about
making society / the world better #ukedchat
MissMolecules 20:45
RT @ProfTentacles: #ukedchat Parent's role is to bring their children
up as decent human being and then get the hell out my way so I can
teach them.danhaesler 20:45 @Vickycarl Every single day! #ukedchat
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ProfTentacles 20:45RT @jackieschneider: I wish more schools took the hippocratic oath
ie - do no harm #ukedchat
philallman1 20:45
@oldandrewuk hospitals/medicine is a poor analogy. One is to
prevent/cure, educ is to develop and grow. Totally different!
#ukedchat
actionhappiness 20:45
RT @YMSchools: 10 keys to happier living from @actionhappiness
http://t.co/9cTE0SjH Great for teachers and students alike!#wellbeing #ukedchat #duedchat
mrpeel 20:45 #ukedchat edu not about making clever chn, rather about making
chn confident of own worth and ability whatever level that is
ProfTentacles 20:45
Also, no-one who is not educated will have agency in the modern
world: they will constantly be buffeted by outside influence
#ukedchat
EmathsUK 20:45 #ukedchat Purpose of education is to give successive governments
an easy target to blame for all of societies ills :-pBabbleaboutbks 20:45
@danhaesler But that assumes that education is mainly to prepare
people for working life???#ukedchat
nightzookeeper 20:45 @rosBIGWRITING @bevevans22 @jodieworld @oliverquinlan thanks
Ros will throw that in #c84c #ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:45@norfolkteacher1 But they're not. It's important to listen to people
who disagree with you #ukedchat
Primary_Ed 20:45What do you see the purpose of education being?
http://t.co/SkbovH1p #edchat #ukedchat
Vickycarl 20:46
#ukedchat Education needs to be about taking risks The person
who risks nothing, does nothing, has nothing, is nothing, & becomes
nothing."
JamiePortman 20:46 My blog post contributing to the #ukedchat debate:
philallman1 20:46 RT @ufasarah: I like something Tim Brighouse once said...its about
learning to think for yourself and act for others #ukedchat
mrchrisgeorge 20:46
RT @samlearning: The lowest 20% of students gain 4 GCSE grades on
average better with SAM http://t.co/b4j6dwnW #ukedchat #edtech
#BETT12
JazzieDe 20:46 @jackieschneider #ukedchat How sad is that thought though?
ufasarah 20:46I like something Tim Brighouse once said...its about learning to think
for yourself and act for others #ukedchat
danhaesler 20:46 @Babbleaboutbks But that's the argument that gets presented for
keeping ed the way it is! I'm illustrating it's flawed #ukedchat
Lethandrel 20:46And governments? RT @jackieschneider: I wish more schools took
the hippocratic oath ie - do no harm #ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:46@oldandrewuk That's a fantastic example: look at how poor geriatric
medicine often is #ukedchat
riley_ed 20:46 @danhaesler #ukedchat Purpose? When they have decision-making
jobs they use their ed to avoid situations like the one we are in
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PhaedScho 20:47
RT @Vickycarl: #ukedchat Education needs to be about taking risks
The person who risks nothing, does nothing, has nothing, is
nothing, & becomes nothing."
oldandrewuk 20:47
@philallman1 #ukedchat If you have already decided that schools
aren't there to prevent/cure ignorance you might be forced to argue
that.
ProfTentacles 20:47RT @Vickycarl: #ukedchat Education needs to be about taking risksThe person who risks nothing, does nothing, has nothing, is
nothing, & becomes nothing."
neiljones 20:47@mberry so true - what is the purpose of education without values?
#ukedchat @purposeducation
ProfTentacles 20:47
#ukedchat Every student needs to be given the opportunity to fail
and make mistakes: then they value successes & see purpose of
education
danhaesler 20:47The people responsible for the dire financial mess were all very well
educated... weren't they? #ukedchat
NuttyA10 20:47 @cherrylkd @norfolkteacher1 @nickotkdIV How many teachers nowsay they're in it for the long haul? #ukedchat
captainrobs 20:47#ukedchat What does the Wiki Curriculum mean? Does it mean that
the curriculum will be constamntly edited?
philallman1 20:47'Knowing what to do when you don't know what to do' Art Costa
#ukedchat
mberry 20:47@HallyMk1 oh dear. You have me worried now. Is Thatcherite even
worse than Govian? #ukedchat
In2schools 20:47 RT @Lethandrel: And governments? RT @jackieschneider: I wish
more schools took the hippocratic oath ie - do no harm #ukedchat
nightzookeeper 20:48
@oliverquinlan #c84c #BETT_Show good teachers need to have a
good general knowledge. Not just interested in 1 subject
@bevevans22 #ukedchat
jackieschneider 20:48
How about a bit of support for @Save_Downhills who are standing
up to this governments vile plans for forced academies? #ukedchat
#FF
ufasarah 20:48@danhaesler depends also on your definition of education - school is
only part of the picture #ukedchat
mrpeel 20:48#ukedchat what made anyone here teach? not to improve the
economy, in my case
SheliBB 20:48@LearningSpy I think we had similar educational experiences, but Iwas a passionate learner in primary and have returned to that
#ukedchat
mlovatt1 20:48RT @JamiePortman: My blog post contributing to the #ukedchat
debate:
Heatherleatt 20:48
#ukedchat Anyone who has worked with young offenders will know
the sense of hopelessness engendered by poor literacy skills/lack of
edu
NuttyA10 20:48@danhaesler Depends on your view of edn, obviously not in the skills
to lead the finances of a country! #ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:48RT @mattbuxton10: Too often it appears knowledge is seen 2 simplymean 'facts'; factual knowledge just one aspect of knowledge, but
not the be-all #ukedchat
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SumonT 20:49 #ukedchat #GoveMustGo
TeacherToolkit 20:49 @ukedchat @danhaesler
philallman1 20:49@oldandrewuk but that would make educ valuable intrinsically and
knowledge is not intrinsic #ukedchat
ufasarah 20:49@nightzookeeper and an interest in - even love for children and
young people #ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:49 @danhaesler Yes. They mostly disagree #ukedchatmrpeel 20:49 @captainrobs or just unsubstantiated and crap? #ukedchat
Heatherleatt 20:49 #ukedchat I think there is a duty upon us to ensure that all our young
people have the skills to take part in life & society.
SumonT 20:49
RT @jackieschneider: How about a bit of support for
@Save_Downhills who are standing up to this governments vile plans
for forced academies? #ukedchat #FF
philallman1 20:49
@oldandrewuk same argument difft lens. I prefer 2 grow & develop
skills 4 the future. U prevent ignorance. Mine has longevity
#ukedchat
danhaesler 20:49 Ok.. 10ish mins to go. What are we doing abt it? It seems there is a
lot of energy in here.. but is it just an echo chamber? #ukedchat
InsiaI 20:49 RT @ufasarah: I like something Tim Brighouse once said...its about
learning to think for yourself and act for others #ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:49@SheliBB I have used my expereince of disaffection to good effect in
secondary #ukedchat
mberry 20:49
RT @ufasarah I like something Tim Brighouse once said...its about
learning to think for yourself and act for others #ukedchat
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ufasarah 20:50
RT @JamiePortman: Regarding tonights #ukedchat focus. Surely
someone has mentioned the 'Purpose/ed' campaign >>>
http://t.co/sqE5zt4l #purposed cc @dajbelshaw
SheliBB 20:50 @LearningSpy and I in primary. It is why I think it is more important
that we aim to keep children passionate about learning #ukedchat
NuttyA10 20:50 @danhaesler What can we do about it? At times it feels like a battle
where we're not listened to anyway so why bother? #ukedchat
JamiePortman 20:50
Regarding tonights #ukedchat focus. Surely someone has mentioned
the 'Purpose/ed' campaign >>> http://t.co/sqE5zt4l #purposed cc
@dajbelshaw
PeterSpencer88 20:50 @mrpeel #ukedchat to inspire children, to make learning fun and
because I don't think there's a more rewarding career
ukedchat 20:50Last ten minutes for #ukedchat this week guest hosted by
@danhaesler Any final thoughts?
Caz963 20:51
RT @oldandrewuk: #ukedchat Schools are not orphanages for
children with parents. Nor are they amusement parks, training camps
or a job training scheme.
danhaesler 20:51 @NuttyA10 Start in your own classroom... #ukedchat
PinkPolitika 20:51 RT @ufasarah: I like something Tim Brighouse once said...its about
learning to think for yourself and act for others #ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:51@SheliBB Agrred. I use Dweck's work in my teaching all the time. I try
to teach BELIEF #ukedchat
davidhunter 20:51 @JamiePortman glad you wrote that. context affects the outcome
and, to an extent, the purpose of education. #ukedchat
90_maz 20:51
RT @Heatherleatt: #ukedchat I think there is a duty upon us to
ensure that all our young people have the skills to take part in life &
society.
PhilWheeler1 20:51
RT @Heatherleatt: #ukedchat I think there is a duty upon us to
ensure that all our young people have the skills to take part in life &
society.
HowardRicketts 20:51
RT @YMSchools: 10 keys to happier living from @actionhappiness
http://t.co/9cTE0SjH Great for teachers and students alike!
#wellbeing #ukedchat #duedchat
danhaesler 20:51
RT @NuttyA10: @danhaesler What can we do about it? At times it
feels like a battle where we're not listened to anyway so why bother?
#ukedchat
cherrylkd 20:51@nickotkdIV #ukedchat Hey you're a stayer surely. An asset to the
profession!
ProfTentacles 20:51
#ukedchat we need to remember that we have a moral and
intellectual duty to the students in our care. They have one shot at
this.
danhaesler 20:51
As professionals is there any other prof that wld stand for this? We
are being told to do stuff completely at odds with our ideals#ukedchat
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NuttyA10 20:52@danhaesler Fight for what is right in edn, fight & show that we do
an amazing job #ukedchat
danhaesler 20:52 @NuttyA10 Write a piece for your local paper. Have a #ukedchat
mass email campaign to Gove. Blog for the papers...Speak to parents
Heatherleatt 20:52 RT @ufasarah: I like something Tim Brighouse once said...its aboutlearning to think for yourself and act for others #ukedchat
PeterSpencer88 20:52What are the best ways to get children passionate about learning?
#ukedchat
ProfTentacles 20:52 As professionals, we simply need to remember the difference
between the urgent and the important. #ukedchat
NuttyA10 20:52@danhaesler I wouldn't ever not bother as it would do a disservice to
those chn I teach & my own chn! #ukedchat
mrpeel 20:52@jackieschneider #ukedchat maybe, but figures, like league tables
and exam results, do not paint the whole picture!
ufasarah 20:52 @danhaesler people dont seem as concerned about the changes to
ed compared to the NHS for example? Why? #ukedchat
Markynicholls 20:53 @PeterSpencer88 Being passionate yourself! #ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:53@ufasarah Yes. Have referred several parents in it's direction
#ukedchat
JazzieDe 20:53
@LearningSpy #ukedchat Thanks for the offer but I will pass or ask
my children, they prob know I think I not that bothered, Right
attitude?
danhaesler 20:53
RT @riley_ed: @danhaesler Educated in subjects maybe so. But
clearly they were not educated in the ethics and morality a society
needs #ukedchat
philallman1 20:53 @oldandrewuk never said you could - of course you need knowledge
but not specified knowledge. That's some1 elses agenda #ukedchat
a_p_martin 20:53@ufasarah @danhaesler #ukedchat probably because ed happens to
children who are disenfranchised. Patients vote.
NuttyA10 20:53 @danhaesler All the above and much more, get MPs into schools to
see how fab they truly are & what we do #ukedchat
tj007 20:53RT @LearningSpy: @SheliBB Agrred. I use Dweck's work in myteaching all the time. I try to teach BELIEF #ukedchat
dajbelshaw 20:53 . @JamiePortman Hopefully everyone's gone to sign this HM
Government e-petition: http://t.co/qugGrrIG #ukedchat #purposed
ufasarah 20:53 @LearningSpy yep Dweck's work = v powerful, and yp grasp it SO
easily too - but its not just for yp, for adults too! #ukedchat
tj007 20:54
RT @familysimpson: @jasminedwyer #ukedchat because children
need to learn how to learn and they need guidance in exploring as
yet unknown ideas.
jamesdhobsonuk 20:54ukedchat; the purpose of education could be to realize that you
can't progress by googling your problem
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davidhunter 20:54
I find it amusing one minute we're supposed to be teaching old
school history facts,the next the skills to reprogram the world!
#ukedchat
SheliBB 20:54@LearningSpy did have one inspirational English teacher, who taught
through drama. Hence my passion #ukedchat
PhaedScho 20:54RT @Markynicholls: @PeterSpencer88 Being passionate yourself!
#ukedchat
PhilWheeler1 20:54@PeterSpencer88 #ukedchat build on mistakes and its ok to make
mistakes.
Biolady99 20:54 RT @90_maz: #ukedchat surely it's about teaching basic skills needed
to live as a member of society.literate, numerate and questioning
LearningSpy 20:54@JazzieDe Probably not but am relieved not to have to go into it
#ukedchat
familysimpson 20:54 @jasminedwyer #ukedchat because children need to learn how to
learn and they need guidance in exploring as yet unknown ideas.
Biolady99 20:54 RT @reflectivemaths: #ukedchat I think edu should put people in a
position to decide what is important when making decisions
PhilWheeler1 20:55
@NuttyA10: @danhaesler All the above and much more, get MPs
into schools to see how fab they truly are & what we do #ukedchat
agree
danhaesler 20:55 In Oz, the former lead singer of Midnight Oil (how can you sleep
when ur beds are burning) is the Ed minister! :) #ukedchat
cherrylkd 20:55 @bucharesttutor @nickotkdiv #ukedchat it's a bit depressing tonight.
Suppose it's the January blues getting to our usually positive tchrs
oldandrewuk 20:55@philallman1 @learningspy #ukedchat Scratch a progressive
educationalist and a utopian bleeds.
JazzieDe 20:55@Markynicholls @PeterSpencer88 #ukedchat Where has the passion
gone?
reflectivemaths 20:55@LearningSpy @jazziede I wonder what he was *feeling* about
having 6 wives. #ukedchat
TommyTeachPE 20:55
We are continuing to be passionte about nurturing the future gen.
despite the goalposts continuing to move & going above & beyond
#ukedchatstuayres 20:55 RT @SumonT: #ukedchat #GoveMustGo
ukedchat 20:55 BTW, where did that hour go please? #ukedchat
ICE2911 20:55
#ukedchat Tiffany-T Pratchett Read,write,think, find what they're
good at cos someone doing what they really like an asset to any
country
ufasarah 20:55
@a_p_martin @danhaesler #ukedchat -yep, not only do they all vote
but everyone thinks they're an expert on school - having been to
one!
JacquiStrachan 20:55 RT @danhaesler: We say we want kids to reach their potential. Buthow do we know if/when they are doing so? #ukedchat
ukedchat 20:55 #ukedchat Last 5 minutes folks :-)
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mrpeel 20:56 #ukedchat purpose 1 to show it's worth questioning everything, 2 to
accept that somethings need to be "known" and accepted as fact?
bucharesttutor 20:56 @cherrylkd @nickotkdiv couldn't really contribute tonight as just
came home an hour ago #ukedchat don't worry we will all pick up
Biolady99 20:56RT @Heatherleatt: #ukedchat purpose of edu is to motivate &enthuse people to want to learn; to explore; be creative &
imaginative. To fulfill their potential
ufasarah 20:56 @danhaesler COOOOL!! #ukedchat
GaryAveryICT 20:56
IF we teach more 'facts' then people can go on quiz shows and win
money to pump into the economy... I see thought their plan :)
#ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:56@oldandrewuk Is this reverse true. Are you distopian? #ukedchat
danhaesler 20:56
RT @PhilWheeler1: "@NuttyA10: @danhaesler All the above and
much more, get MPs into schools to see how fab they truly are &what we do #ukedchat" agree
davidhunter 20:56Perhaps we spend too much time in school. How much can you
REALLY experience there? #ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:56 @LearningSpy #ukedchat It was definitely an argument for mass
education, but that doesn't make it the purpose of education.
mberry 20:56
@familysimpson broadening horizons, yes. Do children really need to
learn how to learn? Isn't this pre-installed? #ukedchat
@jasminedwyer
ProfTentacles 20:56 The problem with education is that cos everyone's been to school
they think they know how it works. They don't #ukedchat
philallman1 20:56 @oldandrewuk @learningspy scratch an embittered educationalist
and a daily mail reader is exposed ;) touche #ukedchat
tj007 20:56
RT @TommyTeachPE: We are continuing to be passionte about
nurturing the future gen. despite the goalposts continuing to move &
going above & beyond #ukedchat
MrAColley 20:56
RT @dajbelshaw: . @JamiePortman Hopefully everyone's gone to
sign this HM Government e-petition: http://t.co/qugGrrIG #ukedchat
#purposed
jwinchester25 20:56
RT @TommyTeachPE: We are continuing to be passionte about
nurturing the future gen. despite the goalposts continuing to move &
going above & beyond #ukedchat
Caz963 20:56RT @Lethandrel: More and more responsibilities that should be
parents' are being passed to schools. #ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:56 @reflectivemaths Well, I'm NOT explaining that! #ukedchat
PhilWheeler1 20:57
RT @mrpeel: #ukedchat purpose 1 to show it's worth questioning
everything, 2 to accept that somethings need to be "known" and
accepted as fact?
PhilWheeler1 20:57RT @GaryAveryICT: IF we teach more 'facts' then people can go onquiz shows and win money to pump into the economy... I see
thought their plan :) #ukedchat
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GaryAveryICT 20:57 through... what is it with me? #ukedchat
oldandrewuk 20:57@philallman1 #ukedchat No, but nobody knows why Henry VIII had 6
wives without first knowing he did have 6 wives.
LearningSpy 20:57@oldandrewuk It's a useful reminder that society is our client. Not
parents and not kids. #ukedchat
PhaedScho 20:57
RT @ProfTentacles: The problem with education is that cos
everyone's been to school they think they know how it works. Theydon't #ukedchat
tj007 20:57
RT @Heatherleatt: #ukedchat purpose of edu is to motivate &
enthuse people to want to learn; to explore; be creative &
imaginative. To fulfill their potential
philallman1 20:57 @oldandrewuk @learningspy there is nothing wrong with still
believing you can achieve the best for the kids in your are! #ukedchat
LearningSpy 20:58
RT @ProfTentacles: #ukedchat Every student needs to be given the
opportunity to fail and make mistakes: then they value successes &
see purpose of educationcoxondj 20:58
#ukedchat apple eu summit #appleeu Ditch the interactive
whiteboards and let kids write on every surface!
Markynicholls 20:58@JazzieDe @PeterSpencer88 Its there. The reason we went into
teaching...to make a difference. #ukedchat
teachitso 20:58
@oldandrewuk @Redsra @philallman1 #ukedchat Many reasoning
skills can be taught, eg which items to manipulate in working
memory & how
oldandrewuk 20:58
@philallman1 #ukedchat If we don't know what the future is like we
can't give them the tools for it. We only have the tools of the
present.
philallman1 20:58
RT @danhaesler: The last hr has shown there is more than one
"purpose" - Yet it's a shame there is only really one distillation of an
ed. A grade. #ukedchat
philallman1 20:58 @oldandrewuk no but the knowledge itself is irrelevant. I could have
used reasons for WWII or causes of civil war...#ukedchat
danhaesler 20:58
The last hr has shown there is more than one "purpose" - Yet it's a
shame there is only really one distillation of an ed. A grade.
#ukedchat
Lethandrel 20:58
You'd think "knowing things" was BAD, reading some views
#ukedchat
Redsra 20:58RT @philallman1: @oldandrewuk fluency of what? - the ability to
think is not fluency its a skill! #ukedchat
ProfTentacles 20:59 Purpose 1 is to learn to question: 2 learn how to find right question
3. how to find the answers 4. how to tell if answer's true #ukedchat
jasminedwyer 20:59@mberry @familysimpson #ukedchat Isn't child's world view
intrinsically motivated to 'learn' from birth thru play?
mberry 20:59@ejw232 I suspect you may be right. Still, keeps us busy, eh?
#ukedchat @familysimpson @jasminedwyer
danhaesler 20:59 How many of us went into teaching to raise the standardise testscores of our local school? #ukedchat
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tj007 20:59Only just arrived at the end of #ukedchat - seen some good
comments so far, will have to catch up on the others later
GaryAveryICT 20:59@coxondj ideas walls... painted with special paint.. seen it but never
tried it #ukedchat
MrSimpson07 20:59
RT @ProfTentacles: #ukedchat Every student needs to be given the
opportunity to fail and make mistakes: then they value successes &
see purpose of education
reflectivemaths 20:59@davidhunter Good Question. I really don't think student leave
school with 11 yrs worth of maths ability #ukedchat
mrpeel 20:59#ukedchat back to marking mock GCSE and to a bag of white
maltesers - great life as a teacher!
philallman1 20:59@oldandrewuk no we have the generic skills of a lifetime we have
the KNOWLEDGE of the present! #ukedchat
DeptfordSaysNo 20:59
RT @jackieschneider: How about a bit of support for
@Save_Downhills who are standing up to this governments vile plans
for forced academies? #ukedchat #FF
mattbuxton10 21:00 In order 2analyse anything, be critical, reason, apply logic & form an
opinion u need 2 know the facts, otherwise its ill-informed #ukedchat
ICE2911 21:00#ukedchat the ability to learn, relearn and be prepared for a world
that does not exist yet
ejw232 21:00@mberry @familysimpson @jasminedwyer Absolutely :-) #ukedchat
JazzieDe 21:00@Markynicholls @PeterSpencer888 #ukedchat Yes and the reason
we are still here!!
cherrylkd 21:00@nickotkdIV @bucharesttutor #ukedchat Brilliant point well made.
reflectivemaths 21:00@LearningSpy #ukedchat Sure, but a gd edu would allow Ss to
empathise. They aren't facts.
Nevbar1 21:00Well Duh - dumb things we do in school http://t.co/ZjA8QcCR
#education #ukedchat #edchat
simcloughlin 21:00
RT @davidhunter: I find it amusing one minute we're supposed to be
teaching old school history facts,the next the skills to reprogram the
world! #ukedchat
LearningSpy 21:00@SheliBB I had a good English teacher also - the reason I write
#ukedchat
ukedchat 21:00 It's 9pm. HUGE thanks to @danhaesler for hosting #ukedchat thisevening. The archive will be available soon at ukedchat.com
ufasarah 21:01thanks @danhaesler sorry I didnt get to be here for all of the chat
#ukedchat
web20education 21:01
New #edtech20 blog post #Kl1an new online notepad in the cloud
http://t.co/rE1qZmZ5 #elearning #edchat #tlchat #cpchat #ukedchat
#eltchat
danhaesler 21:01 Thanks for having me! If you're keen to connect further my website is
http://t.co/PKHO1tNu It's been an absolute pleasure #ukedchat
familysimpson 21:01 @ejw232 @mberry @jasminedwyer I agree. We bore the joy oflearning out of them. #ukedchat
samschoolstuff 21:01 Looks like I missed a good #ukedchat tonight. Will catch up.
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damoward 21:01RT @JamiePortman: My blog post contributing to the #ukedchat
debate:
Skelly2525 21:01
@ProfTentacles This has been my philosophy since starting teaching
17yrs ago...problem comes when it doesn't meet LT philosophy
#ukedchat
LearningSpy 21:01 @reflectivemaths We cannot usefully empathise with Henry -important to understand the context of his actions. #ukedchat
davidhunter 21:01 @PhaedScho sharing exp and experiencing for yourself are different
tho #ukedchat I am later to teaching too.Field trips should be weekly
oldandrewuk 21:01
@Heatherleatt #ukedchat I love the way people who argue for
"thinking independently" sound like a million others who say the
same thing.
jackieschneider 21:01 If you care about education please follow @Save_Downhills - they
are doing an incredible job and really deserve our support #ukedchatTeachtoLearn_ 21:01
RT @TeacherToolkit: Does anyone have an example of a Peer
Observation proforma?
philallman1 21:01@danhaesler thanks for that hour - wow zoomed by again! Great
discussion. Lots to think about again! #ukedchat
headteacher01 21:01@Lethandrel only if knowing is valued more than understanding or
questioning #ukedchat
ufasarah 21:01
the work that we've done in the last few years which hands control
back to YP seems to have had a BIG impact on yp #ukedchat
@UFAorg
ukedchat 21:01Next week, #ukedchat is being hosted by @Sharland talking about
#digitalstudies Info at http://t.co/gslFhuiW
Centre4PublicEd 21:02RT @danhaesler: How many of us went into teaching to raise the
standardise test scores of our local school? #ukedchat
Centre4PublicEd 21:02
RT @danhaesler: The last hr has shown there is more than one
"purpose" - Yet it's a shame there is only really one distillation of an
ed. A grade. #ukedchat
headteacher01 21:02
RT @Markynicholls @JazzieDe @PeterSpencer88 Its there. The
reason we went into teaching...to make a difference. #ukedchat and
the holidays!
jwinchester25 21:02 Interesting #ukedchat tonight thanks @danhaesler, time to getpacked ready for #BETT_show and #tmbett2012 tomorrow!!
PhilWheeler1 21:02@ukedchat @sharland I'll be back for that after 2 parents evenings in
the past two weeks.
davidhunter 21:02@reflectivemaths maths is only a tool to solve problems after all.Do
they have enough problems to solve? #ukedchat
cherrylkd 21:02 @bucharesttutor @nickotkdiv #ukedchat sorry! Lost twitter there.
Yes we should always remain positive and keep up our good work
InsiaI 21:02
RT @ukedchat: It's 9pm. HUGE thanks to @danhaesler for hosting
#ukedchat this evening. The archive will be available soon atukedchat.com
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LearningSpy 21:03
@danhaesler Our responsibility is to be educated about education.
And staple findings to the nearest Ofsted inspector's forehead
#ukedchat
riley_ed 21:03My first ever #ukedchat completed. Thanks to @danhaesler for
hosting
BrightAire 21:03@mrpeel - it must seem, to students, that dedication to life-long
learning is all a bit of a ballache at times #ukedchat
reflectivemaths 21:03#tutortimeactivites collection http://t.co/iNuRPUpN includes
#WouldYouRather #ukedchat
JamiePortman 21:03
Congratulations to @oldandrewuk. As predicted his views on
education are completely inappropriate for context of UK in 21stC
#UKedchat
danhaesler 21:04I'm outta here folks! Thx again! It's been a blast!
http://t.co/PKHO1tNu #ukedchat
NuttyA10 21:04@danhaesler Thanks for hosting #ukedchat it was a good one.
riley_ed 21:04 My first ever #ukedchat completed. Thanks to @danhaesler forhosting. Enjoyed it immensely!
familysimpson 21:04 @jasminedwyer @mberry @ejw32 so approach to teaching is wrong
if the motivation to continue learning disappears? #ukedchat
danhaesler 21:04
RT @LearningSpy: @danhaesler Our responsibility is to be educated
about education. And staple findings to the nearest Ofsted
inspector's forehead #ukedchat
InsiaI 21:05
RT @ufasarah: the work that we've done in the last few years which
hands control back to YP seems to have had a BIG impact on yp
#ukedchat @UFAorg
davidhunter 21:05RT @NuttyA10: @danhaesler Thanks for hosting #ukedchat it was a
good one.
johnmclear 21:05 @oldandrewuk You should really go to get your prostate checked if
that is your understanding of how health care works. #ukedchat
Heatherleatt 21:06@oldandrewuk #ukedchat well it might not be original, but that
doesn't make it wrong.
LiamRCarr 21:06
If every Y11 finished the year able to have a sensible, polite
converstation with people from different backgrounds, I wld be :-)
#ukedchat
DeptfordSaysNo 21:06RT @mberry: #ukedchat folk who think purpose of educationdeserves wider debate might like to 'sign' Tim Rudd's e-petition
http://t.co/DtlqYkLM
norfolkTeachers 21:06
RT @mberry: #ukedchat folk who think purpose of education
deserves wider debate might like to 'sign' Tim Rudd's e-petition
http://t.co/DtlqYkLM