house of representativv seventy-sew nth generxl … · 3787, 3802, 4168, 4630 and 4644 passed by...

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVV

SEVENTY-SEW NTH GENERXL ASSEMBLY

ONE HUHDRED FIFTY-THIRD LEGISLATIN?E DAY

JUNE 2O, 1972

10:00 O'CLOCK A .M.

THE HONORABLE W. ROBERT BLAIR, SPEAKER

IN THE CHAIR

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A roll call for attendanee was taken and indicated khat

. all were present with the exception of the following:

Representative John H. Conolly no reason given;

Representative Corneal A. Davis - illness;

Representative Horace Gdrdner death;

Representative Henry J. Klosak - illness;

Representative Elmo Meclain - death;

Representative Michael H. MeDermott - illness;

Representative Edward Shaw dçath;

Representative John W. Thompson no reason given.

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Ilon. kI. Robert Blair: ''The House will be in session. MRe invoc tic

this morning will be by Father James Casey, Pastor of St.

Agnes Church, Spkingfield.''

Father James casey: ''In the name of the Father and of the Son!

and of the Holy Spirit, amen. Let us pray, the Our Father.

ther who art Heaven, Hallowed be thy name. ThyOur Fa

kindgdom come, thy will be done on earth as is in heaven.

Give us this 'day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespa ses,

as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us no

into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Amen.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair:. ''Roll call for attendance Messages-''

i 1 ke: 'Qressage from the Senate by Mr. Wriqght Secre aryFredr c B. Se c

Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representa iMk

that the Senate has concu'rred to the House in the adoption o t1'

following Joint Resolution, House Joint Resolution 134 coneu re(

in by the Senate June l9, 1972. Kpnneth Wright, Secretary.

Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Re#resenta ive

that the Sehate has concurred with the House in the passage

of the bill with the following title; House Bill 2881, toget er

with the following amendment. Action taken by the Senate,

p/ssed the Senate as amended June 1972. Kenneth Wright

Secretary. Mr. Speaker; am directed to inform the House

of Representatives that the Senate h'as concurred with the

House of Representatives to pass the bill with the following

title; House 8111.3557, together with the following ameneleln s.

Passed the Sûnate as amended June 1972 Kenneth Wrightê #

Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House- k - . -

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of Representatives the Senate has coneurred the House of

Representatives to pass the bill with the following title;

House Bill 3648, together with the following amendment. Pass d

Senate as amended, June 19, 1972. Kenneth Wright, Secretar .

Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representa ikv,

that the Senate has concurred the House of Representatives t

pass the bill w/th the following title; House Bill 4105, tog th:

with the following amendment. Passed' the Senate as amended

June l9, 1972. Kenneth Wright, SeYretary. Mr. Speaker, I a

directed to inform the House of Representatives the Senate

has concurred the House of Represenkatives to pass the bill

with the follcwing title; House Bill 4106, tegether with th

following amendment. Passed Senate as amended, June l9, 19 2.

Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am direc/ed to i for!

the House of Representatives the Senate has eoncurred the

House of Representatives to pass the bill with the followin

title; House Bill 4107, together with the following amendmeë t.

1972 Kenneth WrighPassed the Senate as amended, June l9, . ,

secretary. Mr. Speaker, am directed to inform the House

of Representatives the Sen:te has concurbed the House of Re -

resentatives to pass the bill with the following title; Hou e

bill 4l0S, together with the following amendment. Passed t e

Senate as amele ed, June l9, 1972. Kenneth Wright, Secretarà.

Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Representativ,

the Senate has concurred the House of Re/resentatives to pass' the bill with the f ollowing title ; Tlou se 4 l52 , tcgethe

with the following amenckuent . Pas sedl the senate as amended. - ''D'RQ,..iï t! ''.' ''t' .3 r.'7x :. G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y/ k ': y.A.. '... ç: v 2 . - svwxs otz 1 uu1 N oIs

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June , l9, 19 72 . Kenneth Wright, Secre tcary . Mr . Speaker,

I 'am directed to inform the House of Representatives the

Senate has concurred the House of Representatives to pass th

bill with the following title; House Bill 4266, together wi h

the following amendment. Passed the Senate, as amended, Jun

1972. Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, am dire tec.

to inform the House of Representatives thè Senate has concur ed

the House of Representatives to pass the bill with the follo inç

title; House bill 4445, together with the following amendmen .

Passed the Senate as amended, June l9, 1972. Kenneth Wright

Secretary. Mr. 'Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of

Representatives the Senate has concurred with the House in tàe

adoption of the following Join Resolution; Joint Resolution

144. Concurred in by thp Senate, June 19, 1972. Kehneth Wr'ght

secretary. Mr. spyaker, z am direcEed to inform Ehe Hyuse

of Representatives the Senate has concurred the House to pas

the bills with the following title; House Bill 622, 3783, 37 6,.-

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3787, 3802, 4168, 4630 and 4644 passed by the Senate June 19, 197.

Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, am di/ected to in 'orm

the House of Representatives the Senate has concurred the Ho se

pass the bill with the following title; House Bill 4642,

passed by the Senate June 1972. KenneEh Wright, secreta y.

No further messages-''

ilon . W . Rcbert Blair : ''For what purpose does the gentlelnan f rom

cook, Mr. Granata rise?''

Peier C. Granata: Speaker, I move qto make a motion. inadv rbr.

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taken from the Calendar

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'ayes' have The motion's

wil.L be oh Senate Bill'y thi d

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ght . S enate Bill ' s f irst read ' ng .

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House Bill 2555. Gentlenan

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Ilon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any amendmenus from the floor? Third

reading. Ifhat purpose does the gentleman from cook, Mr.

Phillip Collins rise?''

P.W. Collins: ''Ah...Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen of the Ho se,

I'd like to call your attenticn to the fact that today we a ...

have visit ah..-by the family of one of our distinguished

colleagues , Edward Bluthardt . Ah . . . in the speakers gallerys .

is Mr Bluthardt, Dorothy . Ed ' s Daughter-in-law Dianne and

his two Grandchildren ah . . .Danny and Brent . ''

Hon . W. Robert Blair : ''Be at ease for just a f ew seconds while e6 atterq worked out here . Senate Bill ' s Second rea Yinç;.ge some m

Senate Bill 1290 . ''

Fredric B . Selcke : ''Senate Bill 1290 . Bill for an act to amend

the 'Revenue Act.' Second reading of the bill. Ah...one

committee amendment. Committee amendment no. l was tabled

in the committee. Committee' amendment no. 2. Amend Senate

Bill 1290 in the House on page l by striking everything aft r

line D and. inserting in lieu thereof the follcwing; andsofo th.'

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Gentleman from Knoxy Mr. McMaster.''

A.T. McMaster: ''Ah.oogentleman I would like to ah-wopropose tha

committee amendment no. be ah..-adopted. And then I have

a further amendment to,put on thè floor-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: there discuss.ion? Gentleman from Bur avu

Mr. Barry.''

Tobias Barry: ''Wel1 it's in the copy of the amendment Mr. Spea er' . ;

we'd like to have it' or have it reaf in its entirety, pleasa.''

A.T. McMaster: ''Now, your talking about co>nittee amendment no. 2,.-. :.,,. , Tobya '' '2$ # $, t ---....> v .. -'r> e;' G E N E 11 A L A S S E M 8 L Yy jr . , s s j- j . . ' - s 'r n, 'r e: o F' 1 u k, 1 N o 1 t;?. ' '-

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Tobias Barry: ''Any amendment youlre putting on# Sir.''

A.T. Mchfaster: ''Ah...colwnittee amencknent no. T believe you

were present at the cormnittee meeting when it was put on.''

Tobias Barry: ''We'd like to hear it, Sir.''

A.T. Mchtaster: ''Ah..the ah...committee amendment no. 2 in effec'

aho- would ah- provide that counties could collect the ah..

cost of ah.- collecting and dispursing and extending taxes

from the various taxing bodies. They could collect only th

cost. And this is, esqentially, what the ah- .committee

amendment was, Tobyo''

Tobias Barry: ''Could we have the amendment read, that's what

the bill is intended to do, I realize that. But I'd like

to know what the amendment doesv''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''Yea read the amendment.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Amendment no. 2. Amend Senate Bill 1290 in

the House on page 1, by striking everything after line 9 an

inserting in lieu thereof the following; 'Section 163.1 ( ),Each county may impose upcn each unit of local government a d

school district for which extends, collects, or disburse

taxes on property a service charge to reimburse the county or

expenses incurred in the ektention, collection, and disburs men

of property taxes cwed to the unlt of local government or s hoe

district. The charge shall be the actual cost directly att ibT.

able to the extension, collection and disbursement of prope ty

taxes on behalf of the particular unit of local government r

school districts or a ffaction of such actual cost. cl ar:

imposed under tlnis section slla 1). be de tûerTnined atnd char os ocw' xx ! -G-f%-' 4: t,./ll ', *vrpneet'h G E N E R A j. A s S E M B L Y(..2 k- .' . . .

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units of local government and school districts fy the coun y

tlerk. Each unit of local government or school district u on

which a charge has been imposed pursuant tc this section s a1l

provide in its annual budget for payment of such charge an

shall be liable therefor to each county imposing such char es.

(c), Any county may adopt ordinances providing for reimbur e-ment charges, including intergovernmenta'l agreements betwe n

the county and taxing districts within the county. (d),

nothing in this section shall invalidate any ordinance, re clu-

tion or intergovernmental agreement adopted or entered int by

any county priôr to the date this section becomes effectiv whi

establishes a service charge upon units of local governmen

and school districts to reimburse the county for its actua

cost attributable to the extension, collection and zisburs en'

of taxes on prcperty for the units of lccal government and

school districts. (e). If any provision of this Act or th

application thereof to any person or circumstante is held

invalid, such invalidity does not affect other provisions r

applications of this Act which can be given effect without he

invalid application or provision, and to this end the provi ioi.

of this Act are declared to be severable. (f). This section

is applicable to costs incurred by ccuntie's for the extenti n

collection and disburspment of property taxes payable in 19 3

and every year thereaftermn

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Gentleman from'Bureau, Mr. Barry.''

Tobias Barry: ''I may speak to the amenément. Mr. Speaker I no4#

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recognize' that this amendment puts the bill in the shape th t

the sponsor wants it. Its a rewritten bill in effect. As

I indicated.in committee I still think its an unconstitutio al

impositiort of a real estate tax without referendum. I'm

not going ,!--0 oppose the amendment, however; and shall be he rd

again, I hope, on third reading.''

Hop. W. Robert P.'Jair: ''Gentleman from Franklin, Mr. Hart.''' . . .. .1

Riclnard 0. Harti' ''Ah...I would like to know, who makes the deter-

mination aF'.-.of what is the actual costa''

A 'z''. McMaster: z'Ah.o.Dicke this would be ah...a determination de

ah...by the ah...officiab of the county. Ah.- it would be

up to the county board to dëtermipe who ah.- prepared thes

figures. They would have to certainly ah-- be Xn a positi n

of being able to justify the figures and say that these we e

actual costs. I think we a1l know that there have bee; va iou.

estimates of what the actual cosi would be. Ah...I would ay

they would be in the neighborhood of ah.- one and a half t

two per cente''

Riahard 0. Hart: ''Ah...is there ah...any kind of a reviewing b ard

set up ah.o.through any State Department, such as the Dep rt-

ment of locul g' overnment?''

A.T. McMaster: 01 know there has not been a revkewing board se

up at presept ah...Dick, I think this is something that we

would have Ao determine in the future ah.- perhaps ah-..if

each county were ah...tU ah- oah-o.sen' d their figures to t e

Department ef Local Government Affairs the ah- .Local Gove n-

. ment affaikT T3e artment could ah...determine whether the c sts.*-j77hL . ,.,

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were jùstifiable . or whether they aren't. think this

would be a good idea.''

RicM rd 0. Hart: 'tWell, think it wculd be a better, and I'd l'ke

for you to give some thought to Than to have each màtt r

determined by a court. If there was ah...an....in a nature of

an administrative review set up somewhere I think it would

facilitate the thing quite a bit. .'

A.T. McMaster: ''l think, Dick, that you understand that countie

vary a great deal throughout the state from a county the si e

of a 4,000 population up to the very large ones. And to ma e

one rule of sum apply to a11 of them would be very difficul-.''

Richard 0. Hart: ''I agree, agree. Then this bill would apply

to the 72 taxes payable in 73 and thereafter, is that rightr'

A.T. McMaster: ''They were to pay ah.o.taxes collected 1973,

which of course ah.-.wculd be ah...taxes that were ah.

assessed in 1972 yes-''#

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Richard 0. Hart: nAnd each taxing district, such as the city of

Galesburg or Benton or any of them, they ho u1d be then mand ted

to include in their appropriation ordinance and in their

tax levy ordinance, a sum, would say estimate, would cover his

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A.T. McMaster: ''Ah...yea, hopefully,.Dick, the ah...counties wo ld

have that figured prior to 1973, and of course, when the ah ..

various taxing bodies do prepare their ah-..budg'et, they

would know somewhat, what to prepare for and what to allow-'

i ''We1l now you. know the cities are preparingR chard 0. Hart: , . ,

their budgots now, actually thoy have to be appropriation

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begins ah...May 1st, believe. And then the counties and

townships andsoforth, Aave to ah--have their budgets filed,

or their taxes levy ordinances, filed sometime in September.

So ah...we would hope then. that the counties would be able

to come up with a figure, now, or in the very near future

which ah..-because, as I understand your amendment it wculd

apply t.o the '72 levy which are collectable in .73, so

I'm wondering if the taxing districts are gonna have any

information ah..upon which to base this item in the budget,

and ah.o.tax levy ordinance?''

A.T. lqlcMaster: ''We11, certainly, Dick, ah...T don't believe the

counties can do anything ùmtil we ah...pass this legislatio .

And certainly this is why I feel that is behooves us to ah...

proceed with ahoo.proper haste cn this and not improper hast

and ah...wetve got to get this ball rclling cr ahw..evèrybo y

has a problem.''

Richaud 0. Hart: ''Now, one more question, Tom. Ah...does tke

amendment ahp..is it mandatory on every county to do this,

or dces it permit them to pass an ordinance establishing th's

proceedure?n

A.T'. McMaster: HAh...Dick, number line 20 in the committee

amendment says; 'any county may,.'''

Richard 0. Hart: ''Alright, they may then by an ordinance passed

by the county board ah-- undertake.this collection systema''

A.T. McMastdr ''Yes, and it is entirely optional to the countiws.

They do not have, not a mandatory bill in that respect. *

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llichard Hart. : ''Thank ycu very much . ''

ilon . W . Robert Blair : '' Gentleman f rom cook , Mr. Palmer . ''

Romie J. Palmer: ''Wi11 the sponsor yield for a qpestion? Mat,

ah...the ah...counties now charge about l l/2 per cent forthe cost of collection, does it not? Do they not?''

A T. McMaster: i; Its a little difficult to hear you, Romie.''

Romie J. Palmer: ''lle counties now charge about l percent

or more for the cost of collection of taxes. am I right on

this? By present law .n '

A.T. MeMaster: '.Ah...Romie, under the ahoo-a1R...fee system that

existed prior to the December of 1971 the ah. o-counties >7e e#

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allowed 7 cents per line in the clerks office for enltention of

taxes which would be probably approximately 2 percent. The

County Treasurer was allowed a 3 percent fee for collecting

and disbursing. This would make al1 together a total, in

my estimation, of approximately 5 per cent . As what the

county have.oowere charging and cerkainly under this legisl tion.M

aho..we would reduce that by approximately 3 per cent. n

Romie J. Palmer: HWell, is the eharge. is the cost that's in th

amendment, that in addition to any other provisions of t e

statute providing for a eost of collection' ?t'

A.T. McMaster: ''We1l, aho. oRommie: as you kncw the fee basis wa

done away with by the 1970 constitution and so there is notany fee for cclleczing and disbursing taxes at this time

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Romie J. Palmer: ''Well, I don't know that thaks trua in cook,whether they still continue that or not, but I do know that

in the case o f C lems . vs . Kuharski . whlk (nh was. not a mal-. '. . .. t: I A 4'. .' t)% z7 m- ' , .tt , . , ' > )'. G E N E R A L A S S E 51 B t, Yk %. . f 'y xaî t . J

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under the constitution, the court held that the ah- .the colmpi:

sions that were held by the town collectors was invalid. AR.-

the question is whether or not the people a1A...and ah...tax'nq

districts are going to be paying more or less under the

amendment that you havey..owant to put on.''

A.T. McMaster: ''I donlt see where they woqld be paying more, Ro ie,

I think that ah.e.this is ah...eost that would come out of

the present rate limitations of cny taxing body. It would

not be an additional tax on, or tack on above their normal

rate. So I cannot see where anyone would be paying more ta es.

Romie Palmer: ''We'll, does your bill, doës the amendment ah..

repeal any statutory provisions ah.o.relative to the cost o

collection by th: county?''

A.T. McMaster: ''Ah...no, ah.oothis bill does not Romie, have

another bill, Senate Bill 1289, which I would move to third

. reading immediately after this one, which does in effectj ' .i repeal any statements in the statute in regard to collectio

fees. And; T think this is necessary to clear up ah..ytheah...effect of the new constitution.''

Romie J. Palmer: ''Is there a formular by which the couniy board

assesses each ah-o.taxing district for the cost of collecti n?''

A.T. McMaster: ''Ah...no there O noty.Rcmie. This something hat

is up to each county to determine, I don think that we

can provide a formular because I think that the counties ar.

too diverse as far as the various costs of the various offi es

of tlRe county . Certainly a county with only 4 , OOO people ,

the cost in the treasurers cf f ice miqht be a q.1:.o ot e ' ' ' . enïv ' . h

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phan a county with 500,000 peopleo''

Rcmie J. Palmer: ''We11, I would agree with that, but two munici a1-

ities cf 20,000 each would not have to pay a different rat

for the cost of collecticn ah.o.would seem to me.''

A.T. McMaster: think this would...again as I said: be abase

upon the cost of ah..ethe office in the county involve/, Rouie,

it becomes very difficult to make this ah..-ah...fornular

a statewide formular. I think ah.o.there's too much varia es

on this, as said.''

Romie J. Palmer: '' I might suggest, with the unbfdal discreticn

and the county board and set down what they want to do as

to cost of collection, it might very well be unconstitutio al.

And T think that Mr. Barry has already made that pointv''

Hon. W. Robert B1Yr: ''Gentleman from St.'clair, Mr. Krause.''

James G. Krause: ''Well Mr. Speaker, and ladies and gentleman#

of the House. I think that I can answer some of the questio

that have been asked here. First-of all, al1 the taxing

districts are already extending for the loss and costs

collection. So there's not going to be any additional cos

to any of the taxing districts ah.-.to pqy the cost to the

county for ah...collecting and extending and distributing

the taxes. Now if we don't pass écme type of legislation

to take care of this matter, we're going to find a1l the

counties bankrupt. Ah.o.also ah...it, would be an impo sibn

situation for any taxing district, to extend their loss and

çost of colleetion and then try to collect their own taxes,

extend them and so on. So if this this now ets down to ay... , ' j,P. : r jl op? . .1 . -'-, -s -n G E N E R A L A S S fs M B L Y/l ( 1 -.. zf r s-ra'rc o F

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situation where, we're putting an amendment on the bill to

u liow the counties to actually charge the cost, their actu l

cast. Now I'm not too concerned about setting up a specia. . ' ë'

?daview 'bclqrd to review whether the counties have extended ei3

aezual coats or not. I think that every school district. I

think that every city, every fire district are going to be.' . . ,

rs.$7yl I '.''.:(: ' l'Cilere to see that the actual cost is what they ' re'

' ehauuirxrf-:''' 'rhey ' re not going to ah. . .go over this cost ift.

they stari' going over the costythey're really going to fin

themselve'l-' in trouble. I think we've got aûother point tha .

we have to make here. As Tom said, the average now is abo

5% for the extention and loés and cost of collection that e

various taxing d.istricts are charging to the takpayer. The

counties will get from l l/2 to 2 % of that for this amend ent.

So we get to the point that the taxing districts actually arq

getting an increase in their taxes, because if, if the loss

and cost was deleted'frcm their collections, they'd end up

w'ith less money. So actually theyire comming out in prett

good shape on this thing, and we're allowing the counties

, enough money to go ahead and collect the taxes taxes and#;i 'distribute them. And as I say it would be an impossiblej . .

l ituation, I realize that its thxa duty of the ccunty, under! s

j constitution to collect and distribute the taxes, butk jf they couldnlt do it and each taxing district had to doi . 'lj it on their own they'd find themselves in real trouble too.

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something that has to be done. It's something that we have

to graffle with in this legislature and we need to do

right away. Ah.m.because as Represintative Hart, brought ou

that some of the cities and villages are already making up

their ah.oobudget and they're going to include the loss and

costs their budgets, they're going to levy for it. Ah..

this is something that we neèd to do so that they can have n

idea of what the cost J.s going to be on the county level fo

their particular branch of goverpment. So I'm heart;p in

favor of this amendment, and I'm also M e A ly 'in favor cf

the entire bill. We must proceed in this manner, or we're

gonna find ourselves in a real delemna eventually, and I be iecz'

that this is constitutionaly sound. I think that I've work d

on this amendment as anybody in this House. Ah...I think w 'm-

gotton several opinions on this thing. Ah...and I believe

that is constitutionally sound. So, Speaker, and

members of the House, I hope that this amendment adopted

to this bil1.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Gentleman from Christian, Oh...Gentlema

from Knox, Mr. McFlaster care to respond?''

A.T. McMaster: DGentleman, I think we are debating this amendme t

to a rather great extent. Ah...I would move that the amend ent

ah-..commitee amenelent no. be adopted.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Oh...the gentleman from Christiane Mr.

Tipsword, have a comment fcr....yea well he'll withold his

close for your questione I'm sure, go ahead.''

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Rplland F..Tipsword: ''Would the gentleman yeild for a .question,

please? t'A.T. McMaster: *Yes: certainly Tip.''

Rolland F. Tipsword: was wondering/ is there presently inany of the bills that we have passed and the appropriations

or any of the au.thorizations, is any of the authorizations f

sehool or to any other arqas of local government to find th.

replacemën* for these funds that would be payable over to th-

counties?''A.T. McMaster; '' Ah..onot to my knowledge, Tip, of course I

think as Mr- Kràuse explained and I think that I have expla'ned

the ahvo-various taxinq bodies, including school districts,

if they are the rate limitation have already ahz.-in eff ct.

received a 5% increase in the ah.veaexpendible money that t ey

would have under their appropriati6n and ahm..levies. ''And

ahwa.certainly khis is to allow the eounties to recover l a d

l/2 to 2 % of that.''Rolland F. Tipsword: like to aidress myself ko the bill and

to this amendment. appears to me that the direction in

which welre proeeeding here is something, of course, that

the counties need. That we'd like to provide the counties

with the additional funds that Ehey necegsarily need and

I would agree that thç Treasurers in my district have discu s:

with me ahmo.not this particular bill, but the sublect matt r

ombodied in this bill. And also .â11 the areas of local gcv rn

ment have ah . . .come to me and discussed witiz îoe the losses

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of these school districts. So I think we find ourself in

a terrible delerana. And I think we may bè going to ah...'delemna by viktue of a bill that still pendinincrease that .

that ver'y hopeful that we can get passed upon further

consideration and that is the bill that was presented yeste da'-

and hopefully will be presented again by Representative

Mcccrmick. Because when we put a freéze upon these taxes I'm

wondering if many of these local units of government will f'nd

themselves then unable to replace this fund. think what e

should be doing, perhaps, instead of going in the direction

that this amendment is pointing us, is to not only just rec gn5

that the counties are: feel that they are in need of additi naz

funds, but also that all of these other units of local gove n-

ment are very muèh in need cf our help, they say, and I bel'evt

them. And I know there's many services they need to provid

and want to provide that they cannot. I think we should be

looking in the area of our resources here at the State leve .

And if we can provide for the counties who find themselves

short and want this money that they used to receive as fees,

I think we should devote ourselves to that task. think w

spend lots of money here in the state, any of us can point o

many areas that we as individuall.y feel are moneys that are

wasted or moneys that could be de' layed or moneys that ah . . .

are not absolutely necessary for the welfare of the people

or for the ongoing welfaro of the State of Illinois as a

continuing government. But that we need to, out of those f nds

take the moneys that local governments come to us and tell s

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this proceedure in the past, is certainly no reasom that we

should be pointing ourselves to this same prcceedure in the

future. At the time when we need to address ourselves to

change, change so that we just don't provide the same funds

in the same ways, but that we can encourage a11 cf these

governments to find means of cutting down their costs and

also find new areas from wh.idh these necessary costs can be

provided. And I think that the State must, basically? be t e,

not only the imputenb for providing the reform but also the

area from which we must find the funds that löcal governmen s

can c ontinue to pursue their course of action necessary for

services government of pecple on a local level. So I

would hope that we not address ourselves to a favorable

consideration of this amendment, but. that we instead addres

ourselves to a reform of our tax and financing structure on

the state and a11 of the local levels, and come up with an

al1 time for a1l of the future, at least for the several ye rs

into the future resolut.kon of the problems that al1 of thes.

local governments, not only the counties bu t the school and

the villages and the cities and the various special taxing

districts now face. Thank youo''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The ah.o.gentleman from Madison, Mr. Cal 0..'

Horace Calvo: ''Mr. Speaker, I've tried to listen to debate a d

believe I've heard the answers to the cther questions and

most of the debate. But there's one thing that still

d in about and l wdnder if the sponsor would yield towon er g .

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A.T. McMaster: ''Certainly I will yield.''

Horace L. Calvo: ''Sir what I'm wondering ks. we say that we're

by this amendment limiting the reimbursement from all the

local taxing districts ah..-to the coùnty eolleetor to the

actual cost. Is there some type of formular or is there go'ng

tc be àn audit, How are we going tc know what his actual costs

of collection are and will there be any 'allowanee made for

the counties portion of the taxes he collects. In other word,

will they also pay a portion of this ccsts ah.-waccordingl

to what their share of tke taxes ah...ware?''

A.T. McMaster: ''Ahz.Horace, I think that we've made it very cl.ar

in the previous discussions that it is up to eaeh county t

prepare and defend their own formular of these eoçts. Ah...

we have said that it is impossible to do this on a 'state w'de

level, due to the' variande ah..wbetween counties' of their cst

of operating the various offices.''

Horaee L. Calvo: ''Well, in other words, this then would be, th re'h

fi lar guidelines in the bill or in the amendment?''no par cuA.T. McMaster: ''Ah...no there isn't Horace, and I feel that ce tain

b dies ah would force the counties tthat frarious taxing o ...

aho..have ah...a formular that is dependable and attributa le

only to cost. And a1A...as far as the counties ah..opaying a

share of it, as you know, its the duty of the county to fu nif'

these various offices, so in effect they are furnishing th ir

share of it.''

Horace L. Calvo: ''Wel1 I recognize that, but I wonder if it's' .

fair, when the eounties are getking. in other words, if we re

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going to take the county collcctors office, a1l his cleric 1

staff and his own office and everything, and of course I

assume your talking about the fact that he's funished cffic.

space in the county building, but if we're going to take al1

this cost and prorate them among the other taxing distri ts.

it looks like we might have a little problem. T know that

the counties portion of the taxes is not generally very gre t,

but It would look like that in arriving at this formular th y

should assert a portion of his costs to the actual collecti n

of the taxes the county does reeeive. Ahv-.however, I tak

it frcm your ansler that this could be done ah.- in each co nty,

there's nothing in the bill either way to prohibit it or to

ah...to set it forth, is that corrèct?''

AUT. McMaster: ''Ah...this is very true, Horaceo''

Horace L. Calvo: ''Alright, thank you.''

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''The gentleman from Macon, Mr. Alsup-''

John W. Alsup: ''Well, Mr. Speaker: ladies and gentlemeny' I thin

we find ourselves in a real delemna here and I don't think e

can put it cff forever until we work out some new formular f

financing, because it seems to me basically unfair to allow the

local taxing units to extend a rate, which wculd include 5%

for loss and costs when we have just excused them from payi g

the 3% cost. Ah...I think in all fairness, if we're going

to go this route, they should be limited J o say 2% for the

loss. Ah- otherwise, we're not doing anything for anybody.

I a sqaY, we ' re beinu somewhat unf air. Let ' s just say that1 n; everybody can extend a levy 5% higher than the rate . That ' 5

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in effect, what we're doing if we don't do what this bill

proposes to do with its amendment.''

Rep. Kenneth W. Miïler: ''The gentleman from Kane, Mr. Hill. L ,

T'm sorry, its the gentleman from cook, Mr.Yourell.''

Harry Yourell: Thank you. Mr. Speaker, I would like to commen

briefly on this bill because I think it goes to the point f

the argument that was established yesterday on a bill that ou-'

ah.-.call up for a moritorium on taxes for two years in the

State of Illinois. It# long been my feeling that a level f

governmlent cannot exhist at the expense of aYother level o

government. And the argument was brought out yesterday, w ich

think is reflected in the discussion and the debate çn t is

bill, that we are playing big brother to other areas of

government and if that is so, and I'think it is so 'in many

areasr still do not believe that any area of government an

exhist beeause of the generosity or the irresponsibility o

another level of government. Its the same situation if welre.R

going to subsequently be the beneficiaries or be suffering fron

a federal program now being established in Washington call d

revenue sharing. Where all of this money is going to bé p acec

at the disposal of local governments and state governments

for disposition without any strings of tax. Well. this I inn.

is irresponsibility on the part of big brother and is goin tc

make local governments and the State Government to be put 'nto

a position where theylre not going to be responsible to th

electorat because theylre not going to havo to answer to tl e

- - electorat at election time as to wh the raised taxes be ausk'...sa% ,'

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the time will come that we are not going to have' to raise

taxes in these areas of local government because the federa

government and the state gcvernment is going tc provide the

revenue'necessary for the fulfiliment 'of those obligations.

And because of that fact, we have a situation today in this

bill that is going to provide for one level of government t

subsidize, if you will, ancther area of iovernment. Now I'n

all for providing revenue for one level of government from

another level of government if we're going to make replacem nt

a reality. But I don't know if that's the case in this bil .

And I would hope that those whd are going to vote for the

amendment and the bill will certainly establish in their ow

minds that very important fact. The constitution did many

things establishing the conduct of government in'this st-te

for the next ten 6r twentk years. 'And many of the thihgs tqatthoee individuals that were responsible for making the deci ion

at the convention are still concerned and still.wondering

theyedid the right thing, as we are today and will be in

subsequent days. Now I'm certain that those individuals

provogated the new constitution and the rules of the govern

mental ethics and the guidelines that we're going to run st te

government by considered a11 of the alterhatives and had to

eome up with the things that they thought were best for all

of the people, I'm certain that they did this. But in many

areas we're charged with responsibility of finaq.ly making t4e

determination whether that is the solution to our many prob ems.

So I would ask that ou would cons ider this bef ore votin o...m.ax:

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Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''The gentleman from cook, Mr. Bluthard

is recognizede''

Edward E. Bluthardt: '1Mr. Speaker, and members of the House,

rise in opposition to this amendment as well as to the enti e

concept of the bill. It would seem to me that where we im se

an obligation upon county government to do certain things, ucb

as the collection of taxes, and to distribute those taxes t

the various tax levying bodies, that we ought to give the c unf

the machinery, the necessary revenue with which to work.

Therefore, we ought to allow an addition tax to take care cf

this obligation. But in the same token, think that the

practice then of local government to add to their tax levy

the percentages the 1, 1 l/2 percent for loss and cost ofcollection, ought to be removed, that authority cught to be

removed by statute so that it would not be a duplicaticn o

taxes. Thereforee I cppose this amendment and the enfire ill.

Rep'. Kenneth W. Miller: ''The gentleman from St. Clair, Mr. Fli e.A' '

is recognized-''

e Monroe L. Flinn: ''Thank you Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, and ladi s

and gentlemen of the House as rise in favor of this amen en$

when I came heke to the logislature I came right from the

county board which I had served .lO years on the St.clair

county board. When the proposition eame up to eliminate t e

fee offices there will a1l kinds of problems that were pres n't

to the county board and the county oft'icers. Now this woul

eliviate this problem that would permit the treasurer to collt'

. the monev he actuallv spent for collectinq taxes. And I serV z.'eikmp 1: q?/' .' r ? ' --*--- '. ï G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y(z

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nothing wrong with the idea, is not an additional tax

for anything at a11 except the expense that the treasurer

goes through to collect the taxes' of the county. So there re,

stand in favor of this amendment.''

Rep. Kenneth W . Miller: ''The gentleman from cook, Mr. Carter, i

recognized.''

R.A. Carter: ''Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House, I

move the previous question.''

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''Alright, the previous question has bee

moved. AXl those in favor say 'aye'. Opposed 'nay' the#

'ayes' have it. And the motion is carried. Now we'll retu n

to the Gentleman from knox, Mr. McMaster, to close the deba e

on the amendment.''

A.T. McMaster: ''Ah...Mr. Speaker, ladies and qentlemen of the usL

this is an amendment arpc is not the ah...final vote on this bi.'.

which will occur at third reading. Ah...I feel that it has

been discussed very fully, I would move the adoption of thi

amendment.''

Rep. kenneth W. Miller: ''For what purpose does the gentlemen fr m

cook, Mr. Bluthardt arise?''

Edward E. Bluthardt: ''l request a roll call vote, Mr. Speaker.''

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''Are there Eive members who are request'nq

a roll call on this issue? Alright we'll have a roll call n

this motion. The motion is that the House adopt amendment

noo Committee amendment no. 2 to House Bill, Senate Bill 29ê

All thcso in favor vote' 'aye' and opposed 'nay'. Have al##

voted who wished? Take the record. D.J. O'Brien 'aye'.#

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On this question there were 73 'ayes'. 'nays' and the

motion prevails. Ah...ptember from Peoria, Mr. Day.''

Robert Day: ''As I understand the Chair has stated that the

motion prevailed.''

Rep. Kenneth W- Miller: ''The amendment is adopted.''

Robert C. Day: ''Thank youo''

Eredric B. Selcke: ''Amendment No. 2, McMaster, Amend Senate Bil

1290 as amended, in Sec.'l63.l paragraph (e) by deleting thword 'act' in each of the 3 places it occurs in that paragr ph,

and inserting % lieu thereof the word 'section.''

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''Gentleman from Knox, Mr. MeMaster.''

A.T. McMaster: nAIz...Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen of the

House, it was our feeling that the word act being involved

in that paragraph might be misconstrued at applyin'g to the

whole revenue act. Thdrefore, we would like to strik'e the

word act and substitde in its place the word seetion to.

clarify the bill further. I move the adoption of this ame mel.

Rep. Kenneth Miller: *Is there discussion? Alright the

gentlemen moves that mitendment no. 3 to Senate Bill 1290 e

adopted. Al1 those in favor say 'aye' opposed 'nay'. Th

amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments? Thi

reading-''

A.T. McMaster: ''AK...Mr. Speaker, I would like tc have Senate ill

1299 called now, I maye''

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''O-K the gentleman's request, senate Bill

1289. On second reading-''

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Fredric Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1289. An act to amend section

18 of an act concerning fees and salaries and reclassify

several eounties of the state with reerence thereto. Seeon

reading of the bill. No committee amendments.''

Rep. Kenneth Miller: ''Are there any amendments from the floo ?

Third reading. For what purpose does the gentleman from

Dupage, Mr. Schneider, ariset''

J. Glenn Schneider: ''Mr. Speaker, and members of the House, as

you al1 know my seat mate, Jim MçLendon is a hard working

and conscientious man and think the reason 'for that is

ah....M= McLendon, who is seated in the rear Gallery ah.-.

I'd appreciate your acknowledge of her presence.

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller; ''On the order of concurrences with res ct

to House Bill 2684, the chair recognizes the gentlemen Cro

cook, Mr. Regner.''

David Regner: ''AK...MD. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen of the

House, 2685 is a companion bill to 2684 and they both have

amendmeûts. And I wouid like consent to hear them togethe .''Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''Does the gentleman have leave? Alrigh ,

we recognize Mr. Regner, with respect to House Bill 2685 on he

order of concurrences.''

David J. Regner: ''Ah...Mr. Speaker, Ladies and gentlemen of the

House, ahom.these were two of the three bills to create1a rcce track security force in the Department of Law Enfore me'

Ah...the amendments the Senate put on ah...were to elninate

the investigakive service revolvsmg fund and clarify the

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their own security forces which are the uniformed guards at'

lethe tracks. They are not the ah. o .investigative pecp .

And under this arrangemcnt, the money to provide the invest'-

gative services will be appropriated to the Department of L w

Enforcement from the Agricultural Premium Fund. The Depart ent

will then build the racing association who will directly

reimburse the Agricultural Premium Fund. . And ah....the

abolition of this revolving fund was suggested by Senator

Partee's staff and was there judgement that establishing su h

an inteo tediary fund was a bad practice. And would move

for the adoption of amendment no . 1 to 2684 and amendment n .

to 2685.,'

Rep. Kenneth Miller: ''Is there discussion? The gentlemen fr m

St. Clair, Mr. Krause.d'

James Krause: ''Davez Dave, 'what does. this do now to my ah...

union members down at Cahokie and Fairmont?''

David J. Regner: spells it out even more clearly than youts

cr my amendment did in the House, ah. . .Bud. ah... speci ies,each licensee shall provide and maintain his own security

personell, which is the name given to the uniformed guards

at the tracks.''

James G. Krause: ''Alright, now in as far as their pay, they get

paid from Ge premium, the Agricultural Premium Fund. ''

David J. Regner: ''No, their paid from Ehe track, just as theyare right now, Bud. The only thing paid through the Agricu turè!Premium Fund are the investigative people, which are from t e

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James G. Krause: ''Wel1 yea but Davee Yesterday we had some#

discussion on the amendment that, Now a11 I want to do is g t

it straight in'my mind, Dave. What really happens here is

that they are paid from the Agriculture Premium Fund and than

the Track is billed for that service in repaid. Is that?''

David J. Regner: ''Right, Right, and eliminates this revolvi4g

fund that we have set up here, yea.''

James G. Krause: ''So, actually their pay would come from the

Agricultural Premium Fund, the Track is later billed for th t

amount of money and the track then must pay it back into th

Agricultural Premium Fund?''

David J. Regner: ''Right.''

James G. Krause: ''Yea, O-K, that's all T wanted to get straight

Thank you David.o''

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''Is there further discussion? Does.the

gentleman care to close? Al/ightp the question is; shall $

the House concurr in Senate Amendment no. l to House Bill 2 84

and Senate'Amendment No. 1 to House Bill 2685. The clerk

will take two roll calls. Those in favor vote 'aye', and

opposed 'nay'. Have a11 voted who vished? Take the roll.

Calvo, 'aye' on b0th roll calls. Jilnmy Carter 'aye' on

b0th roll calls. Jack 'Hill 'aye'. on b0th roll calls.

Toby Barry, laye': on b0th roll calïs. Mr. Jaffe, 'aye'#b0th roll calls. l26 'ayes' and no 'nays'. These two

bi11....on these two bills the House coùcurrs in the Senate

Amendments. If any of the members have bills on the Senate

Second readinc the z mi 14.: i f a' - ' a.'' ', R; .. 'ZI''-L ) ' k

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to have them called. On the order of second reading appea

Second reading. Senate Bills 1329.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1329. An act to provide for. th

ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Busin ss

and Ecnnomic Development. Second reaéing of thq bill. One

committee amendment. Amend Senate Bill 1329 on page 2 by

inserting after line the following; Section 3 the sum of

$450,000 or so much thereof as may bç necessary to appropri te

the Department of Business and Economic Development for

promotion and related aetivity in connection with the devel pmc

of the 'New Illinois'.''

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''The gentlemen from cook, Mr. Randolph.''

Paul Raùdolph: ''An agreed amendment, Mr. speaker, and I move

its adoptlcn.''

Rep. KennethW. Miller: 'Is there discussion? The question is s al-'

the Senate Amendment no. l be adopted . A11 those favor

say 'aye'. Opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it and the amen men

is adopfed. Are there further amendments? Third reading.

Senate Bill 1597.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1597. An aot to make an approp ia -

tion Department of Business and Econcmic Development. Second

reading cf the bill. One committee amendment. Amend sen te

Bill 1597 on page 1, section t, line 10 by inserting after

the word appropriate the following; 'from the Agricultural

Premium Fund-''

Rep.,lçenneth W. Miller: ''T14e gentlemen from cook, Mr. Randolph.'

< t#C. 'h' s .h .'r-''>'r G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Yq: qr . . i( . S'FA'TL o: lus-lelols. ' ''2 . . . /

. ' H Q tl S E o F R' E P R E S t: :4 T A 'r l N/ E s':

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Paul J. Randolph: ''AIA.... Mm. Ah...speaker, this is an agreed

commiucee amendment. And I move the adoption of committee

amendment no.

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''Is there discussion? The gentlemen'

from St. Clair, Mr. Krause.''

James G. Krause: ''Paul. I wonder if you would mine explaining

just exactly what that méans. Your changing one word, as

I understand the amendment.''

Paul J. Randolph: ''It takes the funds from the Agricultural

Premium Fund instead of the General Revenue Fund.n

James G. Krause: ''O-K.n

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''Is there further discussion? Alr# htthe question is; shall Amendment no. l be adopted. Al1 tho e

in favor pay 'aye' oppbsed 'nay'. Mle amendment is adopte .# .

Are there further amendments? O4ird reading. Senate Bill l 25.

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1325. An act to provide for th

ordinary and contingent expenses of the Military and Navel,R

Department. Second reading of the bill. No committee amen men

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''Are there any amendments frcm the floo ?

Third reading. Senate Bill 1465..'

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1465. Bill for an act to amend

the Civil Administrative Code. Second reaaing of the bill.

No committee amendments.''

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''Are there any amendments from the floo ?

1 ird reading. Senate Bill 1354.'1TR

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1354. ''An act to make an approp .ia'-

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contractual services. Second reading of the bill. No

ommittee amendments . '' '(7

Rep. ëenneth W. Miller: ''Are there any amendments from t14e floo ?

Third reading. Senate Bill 1355.'''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1355. An act to make an approp ia'.

tion to State Treasurer for payment of interest on and

retirement of State bond and indebted and soforth. Second



Third reading. Senate Bill 1356.',

Fredric B. Selcke: .nsenate Bill 1356. An act to appropriate

balances of public acts. 7728 and soforth. Second reading

of the bill. No committee amendments.''

Rep. kenneth W. Miller: ''Are there any amendments fom the floo ?

Third reading. Senate Bill 1357.''.

Fredric B. selcke: ''Senate Bill 1357. Bill for an act to make

an appropriation to the Office of State Treasurqr. Second

reading of the Bi11. No committee amendmentso''


Third reading. Senaté Bill 1582.1.

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1582. Bil1 for an act to

appropriate the sum of $3,700,000 to the Department of

Revenue. Second reading of the bill. bo committee amendme ts.

h iller: ''Are there any' amendments from the floo ?Rep. Kennet W. M

Third feading. Senate Bill 1320..1

Frûdric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1320. An act to provide for tha

ordinary and contingent expenses of the State Fair Agency.. .. r'cr . 'r-hxy, : u/ k

. c'.-r> r G E N E R A L A S S E 51 B L Y: t, . . ... eta t-, '.,

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Second reading of the bill. One committoe amendment. Ame

Senate Bill 1320 on page 2, Section 3: line by deletin

.$146,500' and.inserting in lieu thereof '$346,5002 and

on page 3, by deleting lines through 5 andsoforth.''

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''The gentlemen from Sangamon: Mr. Jones.''

David Jones: ''Mr. Speaker, members of the Hcuse. This is

th'e amendments approved in the appropfiations committee an

I ncw move its adcption by the House.''

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: nIs there discussion? The question is

shall committee amendmentx no. be adopted. A11 those in

favor say 'aye' opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' have it and t ew# #

'

amendment iS 2dOPYed. Are there fnrther amendments? Thi d

reading. senate Bill 1321.'.

Fredrie B. selcke: s'enate Bill 1321. An act to provide for

the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Illinois Histo ica)

Library. Second reading of Xhe bill. No committee amendm nts-'

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''Are there dny amendments from the flo r?

Third reading. Senate Bill 1322.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1322. An act to make an appro ria-

tion for the ordinary and contingent expenses to the Unive sity

Civil Service Merit Board. Seccnd reading of the bill. N

committee amendmentà.''

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''Are there any .amendments from the f1o r?

Third reading Senate Bill 691.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 691. An açt to provide matchi g

grants for scholarship programs. Second reading of the

bill. Ah...Ono committee amendx nts. Amend Senate Bill 91-r,c7.p .z v :v .z ..J ,s . r.....;lsk

.. . k G E N E R A L A S S E M 13 L YJ * ï . . ) . , k sv x v s o rr j u u ) sj o j s$,.1 . - ./

. . . ''x . , Z H o u s c o e' r4 e7 e 14 c s r: N 'r A 'r I v e: s

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on page 2 line 15 by deleting 1972 and inserting in lieu

' thereof 1973..'Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''The gentlemen from Champaign, Mr. Clab'ugh,

is recognized.''

Charles W. Clabaugh: thought that was on third reading.''

Rep. Kenneth W . Miller: ''I'm informed that it is listed under

third reading on' the calendar but actually on Second rea ing.

charles W. clabaugh: ''There's a commitkee amendment, isn't ther ?

Well I move adoption of that comMittee amendment, Mr. Speak r,

all it does b just makes the effective date of the ah-..in 973

in stead of 1972 because the bill was drawn for 1972 school

year. Mcve adortion of the amendment.''

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''Is there discussion? The question iS;

shall committee amendment no. 1 be adopted. Those in favor

say 'aye' opposed 'nay'. The amendment is adopted. Are

there hrther amendments? Third reading. Senate Bill 1324.''

Fredric B. selcke: nsenate Bill 1324. An act to provide for th

ordinary and contingent expenses Civil Defense Agency. Sec nd




Fredfic B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1330. Bill for an aet to provi e

for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the lndustrial

commission. Second reading of the bill. No committee amen mer.


Third reading . Senate Bill 1331 . ''

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k: ,- ... ,..t! f ' ! . svavc os Iuutsols. H C> kl S e7 o F R C P N c G E': N T A T 1 V E S

x . ... e. , '' .

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Fredric B. Selcke: '' Senate Bil1 13.31. An act to pbovide for

the ordinary and contingent expenses for the State E>lployee

Retirement system. Second reading of the bill. No committ e

amendments.''


Third reading. Senate Bill 1351. '6

Fredric B. Selcke: nSenate Bill 1351. An ae6 making an appropr'a-

tion for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Judici l

Inquiza Board. Second reading of the bill. No committee

amendmentso''

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''Are there any amendments from the floo ?Third reading. Senate Bill 1359

.'.

Fredric B. Selcke: ''senate Bill 1359. An act making a'deficien y

appropriation to providq fcr certain expenses of the' State

t Seccnd readin'g of the bill. No conaitteeGovernmen .amendmentsa''

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''Are there any amendments from the floo ?Third reading. Senate Bill 1360. '.


ordinary and contingent expenses of the Order of PublicAccounts and Comptro' ller. Second reading of the bill

. No

eommittee amendments-'''

Rep. Kenneth Miller: ''Are there any ameniqents from the floorThird reading. Senate Bill 1369.

'.

Fredric B. Sekcke: ''Senate Bill 1369. Zn act to provide for th

ordinary and contingent expenses of Ahe Comprehonsive Healtà

la nn 5 ng Agctn tnyr - S1 c! ctoncl raaci i 1Ag .0 f--tllzct. .-.b a.' .1. -' '''%' . C:;' ' -: 'Ukrl/ '--27$ t G E N E R A L A S S E M 8 L Yi: . - ' *ç . -' s'ra're orr I k.ul s1 o1s. '

j ' n', .Vf. (. os... ' Ho%JsbD O e- RE:PCRES;eTPITATI VCS

couoittee amencknents. commitee amendmentg no. l.was tabled

illin committee. Committee amendment no. Amend Senate B

1369 on page one line 22 by striking $150,000 and inserting

in lieu therof $200,000.1'

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''The gentleman from Lee, Mr. Shapiro.''

David C. shapiro: ''AIQ...Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of th

House, ah.o-commitee amendment no. 2 restores $50,000 to

Grants to Local Comprehensive Health Planning organizations

in the Senate the bill was cut approximately $222,000.. And

this is a partial rescration. And I urge its adoption.''

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''Is there discussion? The gentleman

from cook, Mr. Harold Washington.''

H. Washington: ''Will the sponsor yield for a. question?, As I

understand it, Representati'ze Shapiro, there was $200 000 c t#

in the Senate and 'you addèd 50 in the House, is that c'obrrec ?n

David C. Shapiro: ''Yes, there were total amount cf $202,000 cut

in various areas and we restored $50,000 to grants in local

comprehensive agencies.''

H. Washington: ''Well, how did you arrive at the 50,000 figure w en

you started oEf with $202,0007''

Davld C. Shapiro: ''Ah...Representative Washington, the two hund ed

and two thousand was no in this particular line item. One

hundrod thousand was in this line item. We restored $50,00

we felt that that would be enough to meet the matching loca

grants for a11 the new agencies bqing restored. Ah...we

attemptecl to restore contractual sçrvices and personal servLcçtl

and were unsuccessful so we comaromised on this-''. . ... . . . - 10

r '1$1 a ' V/' A/'N : .-...x ')j c E N jj R A j. A s s (( M jl L Y: , z .

fj t ;. . . :. iç / j s'r a'rc o e 1 L.ul N o 1 s- . y ' . / j. y 4 s; s a s s c tq v x .r , v c s* z u o u sE olt & :' .' '

36.!

H. Washington: .''May I ask a question? Vàat was the response o

the various.local health planning agencies to the restorat- n

of the $50,000,* did they feel that they could live with tha

or what was ' ttltair attitude ? ''

David C. Shapiroy ''It is my opinion that they can and are agree blc

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Dcuglas, 's'

ized ''re COCn . g .

Bruce L. Douglas,'...''Ah..oRepresentative Shapiro, ah...I'd like t

ask a questipn or two. Dave, does this affect, does this:.

money affecax'phe development of new so called B Agencies

in local or regional areas as well as in creased fundi ng fo

those that already exista''

David Shapiroz ''Ah..vthis, this is the line item that provi s

the matching dollars thât the local agencies will raise the -

selves. The $50,000 restoration. It brfngs it to $200.,000.''

Bruce L. Douglas: ''Ah...Ilm a livtle confused about the nature

of House Bill 2653, which is still sitting over at the Sena e.

We may ultimRtoly get it back here in somewhat revised fo .

Is this matter effected by Senate Actions oh 2653, Dave,

do you know?''

Da'vid C. Shapiro: PYese I know what you are referring to and I

ld a actually no.' Because there adequate funds he ewou s y p .

to take care of 2653 it becomes lawo''

Rep. Kenneth Wa Aqiller: ''Is there further discussion? The ques iorl:

is shall Amendment no. 2, conrittee amekdment no. 2 a

be adopLed. Those in favor vote 'ayed those opposed 'nay'.#

The 'ayes' 14avî it and the amendment is ado ted. Are there')' k ' e' x .zs 'v . c E x E R A L, A s s E M B 1. Y/ ë (2 -.. --è-(--z r'.h$ -:-- .2 ' .*œ. . j svavs os puulxo:sf . .. U */z H o k; S E o F R E P IT E S E N T G T I V E S

37.

further amendments? Third reading. Senate Bill 1371.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1371. An act to make an appro ra-

tion for the ordinary and ccntingent expenses of the Offic

of Leutenant Governor. Second reading of the bill. Ah...

no committee amendments.''

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''Are there any amendments from the flo r?n

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Amendment no. 1, Nolan, Amend Senate Bill 1371

on line lO, by striking 119,950 and inserting in lieu 99,620.

and on line 12 by striking 7860 and inserting in lieu 5950,

Line 14 by striking 2700 and inserting in lieu 2600 and li e

15 by striking 1000 and inserting in lieu thereof 1200. L'ne

16 by striking 17300 and inserting in lieu thereof 204000.

And on line 17 by striking 2400 and inserting in lieu 3000

andsoforth.''

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller; ''The gentleman from Stark Mr. Nolan,

is recognized.''

James D. Nowlan: ''Mr. Speaker, and members, since become a can ida-

for the office of Leutenant Governor, I've been asked what

I saw as the roll and functions of this new office of Leut nanu

governor and so T have addressed my self to the New office of

i ' d in analyzed the budget pr pos.Leutenant governor and n so o g,

for the office of Leutenant governor and in this amendment

proposed reducLN the request for the office of leutenant

Governor Yy approximately 1O% in the upcoming fiscal year.

I feel this can be accomplished, and still allow that new

office of Leutenant Governor to become an effective and 'fital

arm of the executive Branch. This is a new office, there

''%<)'''' are certain funetions which will no lonqer be per'orme;: ;'e . zrû .?. . Tè'> 1à G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y/ î ' $ zka . '. y t .

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38. '

For example, there is not longer a need for a parlaimentari'n'

inand administrative assistant to the Leutenant Governor,

that that office no longer will serve that legislative roll

in the Senate. I also believe that au...certain other pers ne2

reductions can be accomplished, and that ah.-othe office of

leutenant governor can be an effective vital arm of the

executive branch. And so I offer this amendment, ahoo-to

the ah...budget proposal, which would reduce the appropriat'on

request for that office by approximately 10%.'.

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''Is there discussion? The gentleman fr m

cook, Mr. Lechowicz''

Thaddeus S. Lechowicz: ''Thank you Mr. Spedk er, ladies and gentl melt

of the House, Senate Bill 1371 was heard in the appropriati ns

committee the Present Leutenant Governor Paul Simon came in

and testified in behalf oï his budget. In turn there Qere o

recommendations for any cut backs in the existing budget, i

fact this years request is identical to last years appropri tic

except 'àor a $220 reduction in operation of automotive equi -

ment. We a1l know its a campaign year, but in tern I think we

i te the necessary funds that the present Leu en-should appropr a

ant governor thiltks is adequate to fulfill the functions of

that office. We understand that Representative Nowlan is

a candidate for that office, and in turn, he thinks that

this amount of money, that the amendment that he's offering

as far as a reduction in this offsce at the present time

a11 he has to do is lapse the money and inturn come in with

t e - a c a ' a ' - . - a ! c.z g e t . T s t- r to n. - rtv-?7:7lh ,, .

.t> -. 'wnàh cEtlrlltAL AssEa ra'kr/ .: t * . t. ç * .. zj s.rax.ey os luulaotsv r */' ' ' ' -- $J s c (> F r? E i> R E 5 er N 'r A. 'F l v r: Sx ' . 7.ù

-= = XZ UL Q 7 v *'*''*'*'*''' * ' ''*--

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oppose this amendment, hope its defeated.''

Rep. K'Bnneth W. Miller: ''The Gentleman from Franklin, Mr. Hart-''

Richard Hartu ''I'd like Lo n>.k the sponsor of the amendment

question. Ah....have you discussed this amendment with

ah- ..either Paul Simon or members of his staff?''

James D. Nowlan: ''Yes. Dick, I talked at kav'h with Craig Levit ,

who was for a couple of years an administrative assistant to

Governor Simon, and I did actually make changes in what was

originally a greater reduction proposal and did except some f

his recommendations for certain line items here. Actually

increasing a couple of line items to reflect actual expendit rejl

rather than previous ah- .appropriation requests for those

lines . ''

Richard 0. Hart: ''And is this amendment exceptable tc the offie

of the Leutenant Governor?''

ames D. Nowlan: ''l honestly have neve'r received word one way or

' another. I would make it clear, Dick, as I think you know,

this proposal would in no way effect the remianing six month

of the offiee of Leutenant Governor apd I specifically made

that clear ah...to Craig Levitt when I talked with him, that

it was not in ahy way to effect the operations of that offie-.''

Richard 0. Hart: ''We11 ah...I guoss I misunderstood, I thoug t#

that ah..othe amendment was agreeable and before we proceed it'

it I would like to ah....go talk to him about I....its

matter, I guess, I kind df got balled u'p on. I had assumed

that everybody was in agreement on it. Apparently that's no

(t:-' . '% .1 ' -> 6kh G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y.- ( ' . ; .).(.) sv .x s ue , suj x ., s* ': . u otl 5 t: o F' n E en E:s E PIT n 'F I N/ IDG. .N, !

40.

time and see if we cantt work it out.''

James D. Nowlan: ''That certainly is qcceptable to me, Dick, and

as said I did talk with Craig and ah-...yet I haven't talk d

with Paul Simon about it, and I think that's reasonable.''

Richard 0. Hart: ''Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, wculd ycu

pull this bill out of the record at this time please?''

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''Take Senate B5.11 1371 out of the recor .

Senate Bill 1398.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate 'Bil1 1398: An act to make an approp ia-

tion to the Secretary of State for state grants for public

librark systems. Second reading of the bill. No committeeamendments.''

ep. kenneth .W. Miller: ''Are there any amendments from the floor

Third reading. Senate Bill 1328.'.

Fredric B. selcke: nSenate Bill 1328. An act to provide for th

i ordinary and contingent expenses to local governmentsl 1aw

I enforcement training board. Second reading of the bill. On

committee amendment. Amend Senate Bill 1328 on page l secti n

line by deleting $22,000, and inserting in lieu thereo ,

$18,000, andsoforth.''

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''Gentleman from cook, Mr.Regner.''

David J. Regner: ''Ahn .speaker, ladies and gentlemen of the Hou e,

This is a committee amendment. It reduces the ah- -appropri tic

requested by $85,00 and I would move for the adoption of con itt

amendment no. 1 to Senate Bill 1328.''

Repo' Kenneth W. Miller: ''Is there discussion? The question is

shalz Senate Amendment no. l to ' . rx j'jk .D: * 'o.. 8 '-w.s',h c E x E R A j- A s s E M B L vl k' . '

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41.Senate Bill 1328 be adopted . Those in favor say 'aye',those opposed 'nay' And the amendment is adopted. Are the ee '' fu.rther amendments? third reaciing

. Senate Bil) 1400 . ''Fredrit B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1400

. An act to make an approp ia-

tion to the Secretary of State. Seccnd reading of the bill

.


Rep. Kenneth W. Millçr: ''Are there any amendments from the floo ?Third reading. Senate Bill 1439.'.

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1439. An act to provide for th a

ordinary and contingent expenses Department of Mines and Min -ralsSecond reading of the bill. Onc committee amendments. AmenSenate Bill 1439 'on page 2

, Section 1, line 9, by deleting'$47,500' and inserting in lieu thereof '$102

,000') andsofo th - ''

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''The geptleman from Wayne, Mr. Blades irecognized.''

Ben C. Blades: ''The amendment, ah...Mr. Speaker and ladies and

gentlemen of the House, merely puts back ah- . .the ah...ah...

money that was taken out as far as land reclemation was conc rned -

ASince a year ago we transferred that frcm the Conservation D pt.to the Mines and Minerals and this puts the money in for theoperation of the Mines and Minerals

. Move the adoptionof tham' endment.

''

Rep. Kenneth W . Miller: ''Is there discussion? The question is;shall committee amendment no

. 1 to Senate Bill 1439 be adopt d.Al1 those in favor say laye' opposed 'nay '. And the amendmant#is adopted . Are there further amendtents

. Third reading .S'enate Bill 1394

.''

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'f - A G E N E ,I k . .J ç . ,.j.ng sxavc ojr 1 uujx o ls*

.Y Y*r' Hous? o F :4 Eep EGE-'Y A3' , 4 EL. # S w .;- . s * ''

F?-o(yric Selc.'.e: ''Senate Bill 1394. Appropriation for State

. . . . ztyeo..' Litu ory Builiing. Second reading of the bill. No comm

amenaments.''

Rep .llepoetfl W. Miller: ''Are there any amendments from the flce ?

readiv'u.. senate Bill 1327.1'Fredric B. selcke: ''Senate Bi1l 1327. An act to provide for th

waà'y and contingent expenses for the Office of the Cormi-sic

oz i't','eê.'vinvs and loan . second reading of the bill . One

comm.lttee antendment. Amend Senate bill 1327 on page lâne 10

.hy Oaleting '4631,500 and inserting in lieu therecf $650,3347

andsoforth.'l

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''The gentleman from cook, Mr. P.W. Col ins.

P.W. Collins: ''qh....Mr. Speaker ladies and gentlemen of the H use

Ah committee aDendment no. ah-..restores ah...portion o thr

cut in this appropriation that was made in the Senate. .The

restoration aha.owould be ah...for the employement of retur in:

'. viet Nam Veterens in a training program. I...this amendmen

. was adopted unanimously in the appropriations committee and

I would offe'=- and move for the adoption of amendment no.

Res. Eenneth W. Miller: ''Is there discussion? The queàtion is

shall committee amendment no. 1 be adcpted. Al1 those in

favor say 'aye' those cpposed 'pay'. The 'ayes' have it#

and the amendnent is adopted. Are there further amendaents.' I I

. Third readinti. Senate Bill 1463.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1463. An 'ac't to make an approp ial'

to the Teachers Retirement Syskem. Second reading of the b5ll.

No committee amendments.''-.> ..-.- .. - . = . F. .ïi .k; '. '. l

.ê , . - . 1 ''jj,j.- q.. î - . . ) ' , s Y A' 'r e: t:' er ' L t- 1 N o 1 s.V 14 o Ll s E o F R c p rz E L E p1 1. A 'r j v e: S' u

43.

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''Are there any amendments from the flco ?


Predric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1572.' An act to make an a/prop ia-tion to the Secretary of State. Seeond reading of the bill.





ordinary and contingent expeses of Clerk of the Appelet Cour

of the first District. Second rekding of the bill. One

committee amendment. Amend Senate Bill 1484 on page 1, sect'on

1, by deleting .$241,500 and inserting in lieu thereof; $221 OO.

andsoforth.''

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''The ge'ntleman from cock, Mr. D.J. O'Br'en

D.J. O'Brien: ''Yes, Mr. Speaker, this amendment reduces by $20. C0

the appropriation for the appelett court of the first diskri t.

The reduction was deemed necessary and appropriate because tle

additional employees hired would only be serving half the ye r. .R

under this appropriation instead of the full year. so it is

reduced by one half of the additional employees expenses. I'd

ask for adoption of the amendment.''

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''Is there disucussion? The question is

shall colmnittee amendment no. be adopted. All those in

favor say 'aye'. Oppcsed 'nay' The fayes' have it. The

amendrent is adopted. Are there further amendments? Third

reading. Senate Bi1l 14.83.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1483. An act to provide for t4e

xvr7:eu.w or anary an contingont expenses o.f the clerk of the Appel lat/):S. .5 . --;> '>' c'', G E x E R A L, A s s E M 11 1- y

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court cf the fourth DisLrict. Seeönd reading of the bill.



Third readiné. Senate Bill 1482.1.Fredric.B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1482. Bill for an act to provid

for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Clerk of

the Appellat court of the Second District. Second reading

of the bill. No committee amendments.''



Fredric.B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1481.. Bill fer an act to make .

an appropriation for the expenses cf the Clerk of the Appellnt

Court of the fifth district. Second reading of the bill.

committee amendmehts.''



Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1480. An act to provid; for th-'

ordinary and contingent expenses Clerk of the Appellet court

of the Third district. Second reading of the bill. No comm'tte

amendments.''

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''Are there any amendments from the floc ?

Third reading. senate Bill 1527.!'

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1527*. Bill for an act to make

an appropriation to certain Retirment benefits for teachers.

Second reading of the bill. Ah...No committee amendments.''

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: .''Are there any amendments from the floo-?!I Olird reading. Senate Bill 1552.,,I .

J m; .. .,' ele' : r.. .,/2 .5 .-v,'' 'h$ G E N E It A t, A s s E M B L Y/,Jk .. . -. -i ,

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Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1552. An act to make an appro ia

tion to the Metropolitan Fair and Exposition Authorities. S co:


Rep. Kenneth W. Millerr ''Are there any amendments from the floo ?


Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1553. ''An act for htaking a sup e-

mental appropriation of the Illinois Veteren's Collc ission.

Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments.n



Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1560. An act to make an approp ia-

tion to certain ordinary and contingeozc expenses tc State

Government. Secooud reading.of the bill. No committee amend en

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''Are there any dmendments from the G oor.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Amendment no. 1, Washburn, amend Senate Bil

1560 on page 1, by striking line 27, and inserting in lieu

thereof the following, andsoforthr'

Rep. Kennetv lf. Miller: ''The gentleman from Grundy, Mr. Washbur ,

is recognized.''

James R. Washburn: ''Ah- -thank you Mr. Speaker, and ladies and

gentleman of the House. Ah...senate Bill 1560 is ah..oa

companion bill of Senate Bill 1566. And this amendment will

bring it into line with Senate Bill 1566. An amendment to

be attached I move for its adoption.''#

Rep . Kenneth W . Miller : '' Is there ciiscuss ion? 'Ifhe question is

.shall amendment no-l To Senate Bill lS60 be adopted? Al1

those in favor sav 'ave' opposed 'nav'. and the 'ayey' haqcc it.. . J

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e''J $J!V lvV'', . v'.w'>' G E N E R A L A s s E M B L Yif '' ' ' t . ''.: : . - t sxxxs os ,uu,xojst ï

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And the amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments?''

Fredrlc B. Selcke: ''Amendment no. Washburn, amend Senate BilL560 on page 1, line 1l, by deleting $170

,900 and insertingin lieu thereof $85,450. And sofortha ''

Rep. Kenneth W . Miller: ''Gentleman from Grundy, Mr. Washburnv''

James R. Washburn: t'ah. . .Mr. Speaker, and ladies and gentlemen

of the House amendment no. .2 corrects an oversight in the bi 1.

Aho..appropriating money for the Naticnal Governor's Confere ce,National Conference of State Legislative Leaders

. and Natio alSociety of State Legislato

rs, and Advisory Commission on Int r-Goverla ental Relations

. And I move for the adoption of amen mentno. 2 to Senate Bill 1560

. .1

Rep. Kenneth W . Miller: ''Is there discussion. The question is s al1Amendment no. 2 to Senate

.Bill 1560 be adopted. Al1 those i

favor say 'aye' opposed 'nayf. And the amendment is adopte .The gentleman from Grundy, Mr. Wa+ burn is recognized.''James R. Washburn: ''Ah. . aYes, M<. Spealcer, there may be further

.a. Namendments to this bill and I would request that it would b

eheld on second reading Eor the time being ptease-''

Rep. Menneth W. Miller: ''Does the gentleman have leave? Alrigh ,the Senate Bill 1560 will be held on the order of second rea ing

.Senate Bill 1562.''

Fredric B. Selcke: nsenate Bill 1562. An to provide the ordina y

and contingent expenses of the General Assembly . second rea ing

of the bili. Tuo committee amen&nentx. Amendmenk no

.Amend Senate Bill 1562 on page 2, by deleting line 21

and- .. - . sjj- anj. j:r .. q:; :-'**1 ,,7 x. xtt, $/ ' .;.?. ' ''-> Et G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y/ ? . I :. q.

. - ! y - s v x v. u: o ; r d u u I ,q o 1 s$$: 1 , n ' /.y- . ' i. o u s s o g. s c e Iœ c s s .4 v ,$ x ' v c t ;. (,;..

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Rep. Kenneuh W. Miller: ''The gentleman from cook, Mr. Regner.''

David Regner: ''Ah...Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemanof the

House, amendment no., well right now for ah..-expenses and tle

hiring of staff people and that, they have to be approved by'the speaker. What this does is break it down that the ah...

speaker will approve the ah..people hiped on the staff en

the majority side, and the Minority leader will have the poi tof authority ahm-.for those people on the ah...hired by the

minority staff. And its agreed on and asked far by the lead r-

ship on b0th sides. And I move for the adoption of amendmen-

no. to Senate Bill 1562..'

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''Is there discussion? The question is

shall committee apendment no. l to Senate Bill 1.562 be adopt d.

All those in favor say 'aye' opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' ha#

it. The amendment is adopted.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Committee amendment no. 2. Amend Senate Bill

. 1562 on page section line 16 by deleting l65,O0Oand

inserting in lieu thereof 225,000 andsoforth.''

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''The gentleman from cook, Mr. RegnerJ''

David Regner: ''Ah. . .Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the

House, Amendment no. 2 adds 60,000 dollars ah..-in the bill

for staffing of the Majority appropriations committee staff

and 55,000 dollars additional for the appropriations commit ee

on the minority side. And I move fcr the adoption of amend ent

no. to Senate Bill 1562.1'

Rep . Kenneth W . Miller : ''I s there discuss ion? Alright the qu stit,

is shall committee amencY ent no. 2 to Senate Bill 1562 be a opts, . ;.c tin'?.s.

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All those in favor say 'aye' opposed 'nay'. The 'ayes' hav#

. it and the amendment is adopted. Are there further amendmen s?


Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1583. Bill for an aet to make

an appropriation for the Expenses of the Department of Reven e.

Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments.''

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''Are there any amendments from the flcc ?

Third reading. Senate Bill 1575..,

Fredric B. Seleke: ''Senate Bill 1575.. 7An act to provide for t e

ordinary and contingent expenses of the Joliet Marquet Tri-

Centennial Commission. Second reading of the bill. No comm'ttc

amendment.''

Rep. Kenneth W. Miller: ''Are there any amendments from the flco ?

Third reading. Senate Bill.- ..commlttee Reports.n '

Fredric B..Seleke: ''Mr. Soderstrcm, from the Committee on Eleme taDrand Secondary Edueation to which Senate Bill 1548 was referr d,

reported the same back with the recommendationn.that the bill do.A

pass. No further reports.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''Alri#ht, Ahm..we're going to break here but;. befcre I recognize the gentleman from cook Mr. Hyde, The gen le- '

man from cook, Mr. Regner, wants to announce a ah...a eommit ee! eeting . ', m

l David Regner: ''Ah . - first cf all, Mr. Speaker, I'd like to a k

for unanimous consent to suspend rule 17 which is the 7 day

posting notice for ah...commj.tkees so that the appropriation

'committee ean hear certain bills today, and 1.11 read those

numbers off rior to move to sus end rules. House Bill 4688s gr-tm w'' z' .. *' 'y . .%. '7N '') G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Yrô ) . . ,... . 1 sx .x. s o .. j k. u I ,.I o , s. - . I

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and Bills 1319, 1323, 1337, not 1337, 1425, 1433

1542, 1555, 1593, and 1606.''

Hon. Blair: ''Gentleman from cook, Mr. Lechowicz.''

'r'' - clzykrus' 's . icechowi.cz : ''Thank you Mr . speaker, Dave, I followed

' you up to Sv'qate Bill 1511, would you give me the other numb rs'z?

David J. Regner: ''Ah...1535, 1542, 1555, 1593, 1606.''

Thaddelns ' n . . F'echtbwicz : '' Thank you . '''' . , . , . t . ,1 1 jy u Mr H a e 11' l 4 clil . . W . ROIACI t. ' ' F' :-cl i r : Gent eman rom COO e . y .

d' ''well Mr. Speaker, l'.dies and gen dleman of theHenry J. Hy e: ,

House ah...T'm going to move ah..othat we recess ah...for a

' period of time. And immediately upon our return from the .

recess there will be a conference on, infonk'ted there wi1

be a democratic conference tco, although Mr. Choate will so

: i any event there will be conferences soinform you. But n

the membus will be apprised of any developements. now mov ,

Mr. Speaker, that this House Btand in recess uptil the Hour

of 2 : 30 thi ru a f kerlànon . '.

Hon. W. Rcbert Blair: ''Alright, now hold it just a moment. The, ? '

gentleman from cook, Mr. Regnere for what purpose do you ris ?''

David J. Regner: ''Ah..Henry, are we going to go to conference w en' we come back at 2:30? Well, then I would like to announce t at

the appropriations committee wilvmeet on the flocr of the H use

15 minutes a Fter we recess ah . . . nowm-''

1.10'4 . W . Robert E? .ai.u' .z- : ''Gentleman f rom cook , Mr . Lechowicz . ''

Thaddeus S. Lechtlwicz: ''Yes Mr. Speaker, I was wondering if the#' .

' chairman ah.e.according to the calendar is suppose to meet i

212, is that c'cill available, rather have in 212..:. . % ' = .. ...- ... . ..m - .: . . - .-:4 . -

..C 't ,' .f l ' . o $ . ,

J . . G E N E R A L A S S E hl B L Y(i ' . -jjy S Y A. T C Cà P' $ L u 1 N t:h I 5N W ; i P1 o kl s E (7' F IR E P 12 e: s E N 'r A T 1 V E s

50.

David Regner: *1 don't know if was available, and rather

than check, since this is a cuick decision on this recess, I

thought we'd just use the floor of the House and stay right

here ah...Ted.''

Thaddeus S. Lechowicz: ''Alright, fine. thank you-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Gentleman from Union, Mr. Choate.''

Clyde L. Choate: ''Well, Mr. Speaier, I'd like to advice the

: democratic members that we will have a conference ah.e-when

, the recess over at approximateày 2:30 and I would ask theI to be on time so that we might have a conferenèe and get bac

on the floor of the House and dispense with legislative buBi ess

What will our room be Mr. Speaker, do you know yeta''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''We11 we'll have to announce that when w#

get back on the floor.''

Clyde L. Choate: ''It really doesnst matter because we'll be com ng

back into session prior to the conference.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Right. Alright, a11 those in favor of

the gent-ieman's motion that we stand in recess say 'aye',oppcsed 'nay'. And we will be in recess until the hour of

2:30 p.m. Alright. the doorkeeper will see that those perso s

not entitled to the floor are removed therefrom.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''House bills. second reading. House

Bill 4614.'.

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4614. Bill for an act to provid

the orderly and efficient economic financing acquisition for

Ahe Constraction and Developement of the State of Illinois

Departments Authorities, Public Corporations, Commissions, B ar<

v. .'''Q-.T-?(r;)l. l -<,..' '-r'w hq G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y

q: .w f'v î ' *$ J J s'r A. T e: o F' 1 t. t. I pl o 1 s.

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agencies, universities and colleges and junior eolleges of

eapital facilities consisting of building structlïares and equ'p-

ment as well. The acquisition of real estate in connection

therewith ansoforth. Second reading of the bill. One commi tee

amendment. Amendment no. Amend House Bill 4614 on page ,

line 20, by striking the period and inserting in lieu thereo ;

'provided however, that ncthing in this subparagraph shall b

construed to reguiry or permit the acquisition of facilitiesfinanced by the Illinois Building Authcrity through the issu nc/of bonds.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Gentleman from will. Speaker Blair.''

W. Robert Blair: ''Mr. Speaker, ah...this is a committee amendme t

ah.o-which was put on the bill to clarify that the lllinois

Building Authority is in .fact, to stay in business solely fo

the purpose, thought, to continue to retire its outstanding

debt. And there was.. .that was the intent in the bill when

it was submitted, and in opder to make that posiEively clea

we added this amendment in ccnmittee. So 1 would ah...offer

and move the adoption of committee amendment no. 1.'1

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: nIs there any discussion? Gentleman haoffered to move the adcption of amendment no

. to House Bil4614. in favor of the adoption signify by saying 'aye',opposed 'no'. The amendment is adopted . Are there further

amendments?l'

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Amendment no. 2 (thaate, Amend House Bill 46 4

on page 1, line 5, after the word 'and' and inserting the wo d'durable'; and in lino 23 after the word 'im roveme

nts' b'.,j y 62.x .,... b .,..w,')yiv k. . çç $ G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y

u 4. ç . . . , s' t *# ) . o / s 'r x. v e: o e' I u u I N o I s. . J H ou s c o v' r4 cesl ss c N 'r A 'r 1 v' e:sx t . ; . p ',

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inserting the word 'architectural'; and in line 25 after the

word 'structures' by inserting the word'durable'; and on lin

31 after the word 'improvement' by inserting the word 'arçhi-ec'

ural' and on page 2 line andsoforth.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Gentleman from Union, Representative C caf

elyde L. Choate: ''Well, Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of th

House this amendment is intended to do only ono thing. that

as I pointed out in committee much of the monies of this bon

issue was to be spent oh items that had no more of a life th n

one or two or three years. And I wanted to make positive th t

if the money that the taxpayers was going to pay interest o

for approximately 30 years was going to buy items that it wo ld

be fore the life of the bonds as near aspossible as the reas n

for the word durable. As far as the'word architectural bei

insert:d, simply clarifies the fact that the planning by

the committees eommisàion will be fore architechtural planni g

only and not....''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Representative Lechowicz, for what pu osc

do you rise sir?n

Thaddeus Lechowicz: Speaker, this is probably one of the

most important series of bills we're going to be hearing thi

session, I'd appreciate a little orderm''

Clyde L. Choate: 'L .-that it was not intended for educational

planning at any of the Universities in any manner whatsoeve e

but was for architectural planning only.. On page 4 line l7, s<l

strike after the words bonds by striking the period and inserti'

the following/'provided that at no one time shall bonds in '4e. . . , x6.

. sZ'.#% '- 1 '*.k*fi' a .1 . '*.m. Q G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y

'jo Aî . ) > h l s v x v u o e. I u u 1 ?q o I sk- ' .= v ,-. . .a o u s ,: o s R s e a s. s t: N 'r l x I v c s7

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excess amount of l5O million dollars be offered for sale. I

other' words, we're attempting to provide by this amendment

the fact that there will not be a large surplus of bonds

in exhistance and maybe through inadvertency costing the tax

payers interest on money that is not being used, so I would

move for the adoption of G is amendment, Mr. Speaker.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Gentleman from Will, Speaker, Blair.''

W. Robert Blair: ''We1l Mr. S/eaker, j ust 1et me say this, ah...

this amendment of Representative Choates ah.e-is certainly

in good order, ah.-we intend that the bonds. in so far as

equipment is concerned that those should ah...have a life

expectancy of that of the length of the bonds. And I think

that his suggestion about acidinq the word durable in here

will take care of that situatiùn. And certainly the additio

of the word architectura'l will clarify that ah...no eduçatio al

m rogram planning is being placed in the agency. And ah4..1 stI!! but certainly not least ah...the limitation in the amount th tl .I can be issued at any one tiwe of 150 million dcllars is agre abl.

So I would join with him in urging the ah-.-adoption for

amendment no. 2 to House Bill 4614..1

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there further discussion? Does the

gentleman wish to close? If not, the gentleman has offered

e move the adoption of amendment no. 2 to House Bill 4614.

Al1 those favor signify by saying 'aye', opposed 'nay'.

The amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments?

Third reading. House Bill 4615.'. '

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4615. f'

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pep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Representative Lechowicz, for what pu 0&

do you rise siran

Thaddeus s. Lecbo'wicz: ''qhank you Mr. chairman, I thought when

this bill wasp heard in committee previously and came out of

committee. 'Phere was suppose to be the possibility of askin

queqstions cn all of these three bills dnd I was trying to be

recognized frgr that purpose.''.Er .

Rep. Arthur A. Tqlcser: ''I'm sorry sir, Representative Blair,

for what purpose do you rise sir?''

Robert Blair: ''ç//ell ah...I'l1 be happy to answer any and all x#

questions ah.-.concerning the substance of the bills. It

might be a good approach to do it thought on third reading#

when we get there'. At that time I will answer any and a11

questions, now we're just offering these amendments ahe..to

the bills to have them in sha/e for consideration on third.i

But I will answœ any and a11 queMtions you have at that time.''

ep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is that alright. sir?''

Fredric B. Selckd: ''House Bill 4615. A bill for an act to prov'de

for a appropriation to State Treasurer for payment of intere t

and principal on certain bonds issued or to be iéued under t e

Capitol development bond act of 1972. Second reading of the

bill. No committee amendments.'' '

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Are there amendments from the floor?

Third reading. House Bill 4616.''

Lëredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4616. Bill for an act to amend

section 5 an acclamation of State f inance . Second reading

of the bill . -x.7:0 committee amendments . ''!

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Third reading. House Bill 4617.',

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4617- Bill for an act creating

the Capitol Developemert Board defining its powers and duti s

and make an appropriation in connection therewith. Second

reading of the bill. One committee amendment. Amend House

Bill 4617 on page 1, line 3 aftar the word....''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: 'iGentM man from will, Speaker, Blair.''

W. Robert Blair: ''Mr. Speaker, aha.we've had to add to the comm ttçI

amendment no. which was adopted in committee. And for tha:

reason at this time I wculd in order to get to amendment no.

which includes in it everything thats in the one and adds sone

t hings I would offer and move you the adoption of committee

amendment no. and then I would mov: to table that amendmenn ''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: nGentleman has moved the adoption of

amendment no. to House bill 4617. in favor of the ado tic

signify by saying 'aye', oppcsed 'no'. The amendment is ado tec-.

The gentleman now moves that amendment no. l be tabled. Al

in favor of the gentleman's motion to table signify by sayin

'aye'e opposed 'no'. The amendment is tabled. Are there

further a/.endmentsa''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Ah...amendment no. 2, Blair, amend Hcuse Bi 1

4617 on page andsoforth-''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Gentleman from Will, Speaker Blair.''

W. Robert Blair: ''Alright, this basically is a clarifying amend en''

.Ah...It was placed on in committee and subsequent to that. . ' . . . .

. ' .w. g.;17: .

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by our institutions of higher learning we provided in this

amendment no. that in connection with any such projects for

those institutions that the architects and engineers retain

for the project. And the plans and spepifications for the oju

must be approved by 10th the governing board and the board .

before undertaking either design or eonstruction of the proj ct.

Wikh this amendment it is my understanding thatah..-we have

sakisfied the concerns expressed by the chief administrative

officials of ah..othe various universities and ah...also the

board of governors and the board of regents. In addition ah...

to that point we are striking from this ah.-.ah...bill the

appropriation of 100,000 dollars we have put in subsequent t

committee action a seperate bill that just contains the app p-

riation so that it will be clea'r that we are just appropriating

a nd nothing else and did not have it in -4617. So if that

explaination, I wculd offer and move the adoption of floôr

amendment no. 2.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: nIs tiere any discussion? Gentleman ha

offerd tc move the adortion of amendment no. 2 tp House Bill

4617. Al1 those in favor cf the adopticn signify by saying' ye'

.opposed 'no'. The amendment adopked. Are there further

amendmentsa''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Ah...amendment no. Harold Washington,

amend House Bill 4617 as amended on page 5 by adding the

following section to article section 10.12 as the general

supervisor andsoforth.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: 'sGentleman from cook, Representative

.-k#rBl' ., Tlarold W ashington . ''4kz ', v.w-pw'rq c E x E R A j. A s s E M B j. Y' 7 ' ' ') 'e . ,. (. o s j u u j s o j s1 y . .. . y s'rxvs-2' .''-.' uousc o yr Ieeen csc-'r A'rùv csx @. . .!$ ...'J

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Harold Washington: ''Ah..Mr. Speaker, members of the House, ame dme.

no. simply makes it very clear that the board will be und r

the curvew and guided by the Fair Employment Practice Conrissior

Actwand specifically by the Contract Compliance Section of t at

act. It is my understanding that b0th sides of the aisle ha e

approved this amendment. And I move its adoption.''

ep. Arthur Telcser: nIs there any discussion? Gentleman has

offerd to moved the adoption of amendpent no. to House Bill

4617. A11 those in favor of the ldoption signify by saying

'aye', opposed 'no'. The amendment is adopted. Are there

further amendments. Third reading. House Bill 4683.'1

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4683. Bill for an act tc make an

appropriation for the ordinbry and contingent expenses of th

Capitol Development Board. Second rëading of the bill. No

colnmittee amendments-''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: . ''Are there any amendments from thefloor.

Third reading. Representative O'Hallaran for what purpose d

you rise, Sir?''

Gerard J. O'Halleren: ''Question to the sponsor , Mr. Speaker.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''He indicateï he'll.yield a little

belated but he'll yield.''

Gerard O'Halleren: ''l was away from my desk, Mr. Speaker#

'

understand, is there an amendment on these bills concerningl! the prohibition of buying the IBA building?''i! W. Robert Blair: ''Yes ah...that was amendment no. ahomoto th. '

Tirst bill this seriese 4614 and we made it clear that th

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for the purpose of retiring its existing obligation.''

Gerard O'Halleren: ''and one more if you will, wéat about the e

builàtings built by ah- school, the school building commissio ?

Are they in this amendment?''

W. Robert Blair: ''Yes, the school building commission, pf course,

in distinction to the situation coneerning the IYt, will be

going out of business and .their obligations will be coming

under ah...the ah...agency.''

Gerard J. O'Halleren; ''Thank you.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: I'House Bills third reading. 4247..'

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4247. An act to provide for the

ordinary and contingent expenses of the Attorney General

Third reading of the bill.''

Hon. W. Robert Blairz ''The gentleman from cook, Mr. Regne/.''

David J. Regner: ''Ah..Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the

House, ah...this is the annual appropriation for the ordinar

and contingent expenses for the aho- Atorney Geheral and it

appropriates $7,500,100. Also appropriates $201,935 to the

Attorney general for rentals to the Illinois Building Author'ty.

And ask for favorable vote on this bil1. ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? Gentleman from ccok, Mr . Do nes.

John P. Downes: ''Mr. Speaker, can we have a little ordqr so we

can know whats going on?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? Alright, the question is sh 11

House Bi11 4247 pass? A1l those in' favor will vote 'aye',

and the opposed 'no'. Have al1 voted who wished? The clerk

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6 'nays.. And this bill having received a constitutional

. majority is hereby declared passed. Mann, 'aye'. Londrigan,

'aye'. Bradley 'aye'. 4182...

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4182. An act ko provide for the

ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department of Genera

Services. Third reading of the bill.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Gentleman from cook, Mr. Wo1f.''

J.J. Wolf: ''We1l, Mr. Speaker, members of the House, this is th

ordinary and contingent èxpenses ad...for the Department of

General Serviee and ah.-.represents a $635,700 cut whichI 1 ote . ,,was

-put on by amendment and I ask for a favorab e v

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? Question is shall House Bil

4l82...Gentleman from eook, Mr. Lecbowicze''

Thaddeus Lechowica: ''Olank you, Mr. S'peaker. Will the spons r

yield to a question? Representative Wolf, how much in this

budget is allocated for the Illinois Information Service?

The section within this department.''

J.J. Wolf: !Well, Ted, this bill came 'up very Cast, l didn't ge

a chance to pull it out but you asked quite a few questions

in the Appropriations Comittee, I'm sure 'you can answer that

better than I can.''

Thaddeus S. Lechowicz: ''Wel1, I just wanted to make sure my fig res

are correct. I know we had adopted an amendment of a reduct'on

of 5 to 6 hundred thousand dollars, but in turn I also made

mention of the fact that I was very displeased with this typ

of an operatinn being under the General Serviees . When its

a c2 i t a ' ' ' or p f th 1 a ',.. srxw c.d. A 'v -.w .è c E x E R A L A s s E M B L v*' 't *' ' ' ' M

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Now, if welre going to publicize the facts as far as what

the Governor is doing or his varies proposals, I personally

believe that this information service division should be

under the executive budget. Now I asked a proper question,

I'd like to have a proper answer.''

J.J. Wolf: ''We1l, I gave you a pretty good answer, if you'd justell me what liàe its on I could tell you.''

Hon. W. Robert Bldir: ''Furthdr discussion?''

Thaddeus Lechowicz: HI don't have an answer yet, Mr. Speaker ''

J. J. Wolf: ''Ted, if you could tell me what page and line that

particular item is. I've got the amendment here in front of

me and I know you usually do your homework that's why I thozghk

you could answer your own question better than I could.''

Thaddeus Lechowicz: ''We1l, Mr. Speaker, I'd like to speak to

the budget. Mr. Speakerï..-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Alright, go aheadsn

Thaddeus S. Lechowicz: ''Thank you Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentl man

of the House, in the appropriations committee, its true that >7eve

have...we did discuss the overall appropriation for the Depa tme:

of General services-.-n''

J.J. Wolf: '.$528,000.'.

Thaddeus S. Lechowicz: ''But in reality I think what we should 1 ok

at is as far as the $528,000 expenditure contained within th's

budget for an Illinois Informations Service Division within

the Depaytment of General Services. Its an agency that is u ed

specifically for the public relations of the Goeernor. I as ed

the Dirœetor of that specific agenc/ how many employees he hts

s' ''''''''i. . . w . . * . q') ''obi'h f œnvs'v G E N E R A j

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';m other departments. never did receive an answer to that

question. I'm not going to vote- against the appropriation

for the General services Department, per say, but as I state

in the Appropriations committee, think we will flag this

budget for the Senate and then turn ask them tc prepare

a proper amendxlt so that this information service section

be resubmitted to the evecutive budget. Looking at the Pres

releases that they have, the various broadcasts that they

have submitted throughout the state, the newspapers and othe

printed material my opidon it is improperly placed within

general services. Thank you Mr. Speaker.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Tbe gentleman from cook, Mr. Carroll.''

Howard W. Carroll: ''Would the sponsor yield to a questidn or tw ?

Representative Wolf, ah...Representative Lechowicz started o

a point that I've had alot of communications on also and th t

is theboperations and functions of the infonlation service,

the Illinois Tnformation Service. Is it correct that the

Illinois. Information Service does have the use and is presen ly

using employees that are not covered within thisspecific bud et

under general services, bu/geted to IIS?''

J.J. Wolf: ''Representative Carrcll, T'm sorry, I only heard abo t

half of what y'ou said.''

Howard W. Carroll: ''Could we have a little crder, Mr. Speaker.

Thank you. My question, Mr. Wolf, deals, Representative Wol p

deals with the IIS portions of the General Service budget.

It has been brought to m'y attention on several occasions tha -

there are numberous people working for IIS who are not cover d

.;' '.';' '''.. under this budget under Genera l services undor the II9 porti.onsZ; h -'w,k c s N E R A j- A s s E M B L v1 k' %' ' ' , e. , ' &; l s v, x v tr o p, j u u 1 sl o I sRjw 'r ' w

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of General Jw rvicesr Do you have any listings of who else

they are payêz.ng and under what budgets? And why they are no

under this budget under IIS's own budget if that's the 7ob

that they arY performing?''

J.J. Wolf: ''AK.. .no I can't give you ah...an answer on that and

I have to agree with ah- .the previous qentleman, Representa ive

Lechowicz, thlt all departments, no matter who they are , sh ulJ

since apply mn rkmembers of the appropriations staff with th

correct answnrs. I have assumed that he had gotton those an wer

pre vious ly . .'-fov ever . . . . ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair:' ''What purpose does the gentleman from Uni n,

Mr. Choate, Rise?''

Clyde L Choate: . ''We1l, in as much as I'm listening'to this tes i-

mony, Mr. Speaker, and in as. much as requests fcr informatio

was made to this agency fcr an extended period of time wo ld#

ask you to take this bill out of the record and advise the

Director of that Agency to give the information to the

approprkâtio'ni. committee staff where thev are dokng an admir ble

job and I resent'that fact that they haven't supplied thisknformation.''

Hon'. W . Robert Blair: ''Gentleman from cook , Mr. Wolf.n

J.J. Wolf: ''We11, Speaker, ah...I've been advised that the

infoalation was supppose to be sent over to the staff up the e,

and Itm kknd rgf surprised to find out that that information Aask pInot been recezvcd.

Hon. W. Robert B).air: ''Gentleman from ccok e Lechcwicz.n

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Thaddeus S. Lechowicz: Speaker, what the gentleman stated

' is correct, but the information was not complete. I sai dc

and tried to review everything that was submitted to our 'sta f.

We went through the 'zarious news released that....press rele seu

should say, that they submitted to us, reems and reems of

paper. But my question as far as the total number of people

that they have in' these various agencies does not agree, doe

not agree to the count that we have from these respective

agencies. I have asked my staff Vo contact the man in charg

of the Illinois Tnformation Service and see xhere the discre anc

lies. Jake, know we had alot of discussion about this

specific secticn of this budget in the appropriations. commit ee

but unfortunately the answers have not been in total.''

J.J. Wolf: ''We1l, Mr. Speaker, in the interest of time, either ne

of two .things; either we take out of the record, of if th y

would be agreeable to pass it out and get the one or two

remaining questions taken care of.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Why don't we, why don't we take it out o

the record ah...for a short bit here while the information t at

they have requested is being furnished by that department.''

Rep. Arthur Telcser: ''O-K, House Bills second reading. ' 1.10% -

bill 3546, you want that out of the recood. Representative

S.hapiro? Now we're going to call a1l the House bills on sec nd

reading right now to see if we can get those biDs moved whic

the sponsors wish to have moved. House Bill 3....House Bill

/214.''

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Fredric B. Selcke' ''House Bill 4214. Bill fcr an act to amend

the Income Tax Act. Secbnd reading of the bill. One commit ee

amendment. Amend House Bill 4214 on page line by

deleting'the basel and inserting in lieu there of 'base'; an

on line 14 by inserting immediately after 'shall' the follow'ng'

'for that part of the year....''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Do you want that out of the record?

Take that out of the record. House Bill 4264.'.

Eredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4264. 'Bi11 for an act....t'

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser! ''Take that out of the record. House Bi l

4654.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4654. Bill for an act to kyake a

appropriation to the Depertment of Conservation. Spcond rea int

of the bill, no committee amendments.n

Rep. Arthur A. Telcserr ''Are there amendments from the flo'or?


Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4660. Bill for an act to kmend

the JuviniY Court Act. Second reading of the bi11.. .''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Do you want that out oE the record,

Representative Lindberg? Take that out of the record. Hous

'Bi11 4679.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4679.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Take that out of the record for a seco d,

Mr. Clerk. Rouse Bill 4608.'.

Fredric B. Sèlcke: ''House Bill 4608. Bill for an act to make a

appropriation for Transportation and bond fund series via t e#

office of the Superintendent of public Instruction . second.. <--îr.qr ;k . '

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d t Amend Housereading of tlle bill. One cemmittee amen men .

Bill 4608 on.page 1, line 1O, by striking $7,638,622 and

inserting in liqe'u therecf; $6,416,782...

Rep Arthur A. Tu'lc'oer: ''Gentleman from cook Representative

Scariano-''

Anthony Scariano: ''No amendments Mr. Speaker.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''There's a committee amendment ah...' v . .Representatikre :scariano, do you wish to move its adoptiona''

Anthony Scariano! ''I will move the committee adoption. The

adophion of uhc 'aommittee amendment, sorry-''

ep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Gentleman from Dupage, Representative

Hoffman.''

Hoffman: ''Ah...Mr. Speakere I just walked in on the floor

from the ah...kelephone. Ah...I wonder if the gpntleman

who is handeling the bill would ah..explain what the amqndm-nt

does?''

iano: '''Mr. Speaker, I'm sorry to say, but I Xidn'tnthony Scar

handle thié in committee and I don't know what this amendme t

does. Now, perllaps if the sponsor of the amendment will

explain. I'm not sure what it does, I'm handeling thsse bi ls

for superintendent Bikalis.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Rdpresentative Simmons, for what purpc. e

do you r i. s e S :1 7J ? '':I Arthur Simmonsf' ''Wel1, the amendments very short. On page' line 10 reduces the amount from $7,638,622 to $6,416,000 so

its a reductiçhh of about $1, 2O0 , O00 . ''

Rep . Arkllur A . Telcser : '' Gentleman frcm Dupage . Representative olrrva''t . r w.. ' ; ; . .'CA 5 2. -.wx% 'ï 1.10 f ff ma n . ' ' . . . i . E x E R A t, A s s E M lJ t. v ; -.. ,

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L . Hof fman': ''Mr . Speaker, who is the sponsor of the amendment. . ''

Rep. Arthur Telcser: ''That was a committee amendment, Repres ntn

tive Hoffman.''

G.L. I'Ioffman: ''Representative Hart. Representative Hart, kon er

if Representative Hart or someone else could explain the ah...

reduction figurea''

Rep. Arthur Telcser: ''Representative Hart, fcr what purpose o

you rise sir?''

Richard 0. Hart: ''Ah...could you hold it just a minute I don't

have the amendment in front of me: Ah...''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Alright, take that out of the record.

House Bill 3743.'.

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 3743. An act to amend Section

l of an açt relating to the effective date of laws. Second



Third raading. House Bill 4684.1'

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4684. Bill for an act to author'ze

and Director of the Department of Transportation to improve

that portion of the Illinois and Michigan Canal between Utic

and Lasalle in Lasalle county. Second reading of the bill.


Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Are there amend> lAts from the floor?


Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4687. Bill for an act to make a

appropriation to the Salary of the State Comptroller. secon

keading of the bill. No committee amendments.''

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Fredric Selcke: ''House Bill 4608. Bill for an act to make

an appropriation for the Transporation Bond Fund. Second

reading cf the bill. One committee amendment. Amend House

Bill 4608 on page line 10 andsoforth.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Gentleman from Franklin, Representativ

Hart.''

Richard 0. Hart: 'tAh ...thank you Mr. Speaker, the amendment ah...

re computes the exact amount that would be required under

the bill and it Was furnished by Dave Carey of the office

of the Superintendent of Public Instructicn when the bill wa

heard in colmnittep. And refines the amount o'f the approp ia-

tion ah- .that would be necessary under the act as of July 1,197

I move for the adoption of committee amendment no. 1.

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there any' discussion? Gentleman ha

.o ffered to move the adoption Y amendment no. to House Bill

4608. A11 in favor of the adoption signify by saying 'aye',

opposed 'no'. The amendment is adopted. Are there further

amendments. Third reading. House Bill 4609.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4609. Bill for nn act to amend

the Transportation Bopd Act. Second reading of the bill.

No colmdttee amendmentso''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcserr ''Are there amendments frcm the floor?

Third reading. House Bills third reading. Hcuse Bill 800..'

Fredric B . Selcke : ''Ilouse Bill 800 . An act to provide for reim urt;

Ftent to depositors the City Savings Association of Chicag

ys'.p 'j75'o.. . and make an appropr iation theref or . Third reading o f tlle bill . ''L'' 'J 1. 0''V% G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Yë

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Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Gentleman from Cook, Representative Pe er

Miller.''

P.J. Miller: ''Well, Mr. Speaker. ladies and gentleman of the Ho se,

House Bi11 8OO requests some $30,000,000 to take care of the

losses suffered by the depositors in the City Savings Loan.

came out of committee with only two decending votes. Tts

a bill that's put here becàuse we felt that the state was

responsible at the time for the regulation. They were suppo ed

to s'ee that all of these banks weye insured. And ah...the

state wasr neglegent in that the City Savings Was not insured.

The losses inoccurred by these people were ah..-were occured

because the bank was closed and then reopened and the ah...

Illinois Crime Commission investigated this situation and th Y

found that the State was in error and if it wasn't for the

Illinois Crime Commission and the bill that we have in here

there would not be liquidation today. Liquidation is going n

and we hope that there'll be a number of million dollars rea izc

and we can make up the losses. We like to pay the losses on

the basis of Federal Insurance would have gotten for these eop'

there had benn Federal Insurance. NoF I realize that

$30,000,000 is a 1ot of money and its not in the budget, and

I am looking forward to the Kill most likely being reduced

in the Senate, but I do think if they realize some 8 to 10

millicn dollars on their liquidation we could make up the

difference of loss. I think that its a good'bill and I thin

that the bill should pass. We are doing right by our taxpay rs

and the citizens of our state who have suffered here, there

''k'sca--ti . were 16 , 0oo of them . And man of them lzave passed away since6,/ -pw%h c s x E R A j. A s s E M u L, v-.? : sk ;' . . .; u f.! f , .- ; < ) s'rx'rc o c ' uu ' ei o .s

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this loss and I think they deserve the protection. that we

n9w we ncw accord new ahd other banks by having such a law.

And I hope that you'll a).l have the mercy and pity in your

hearts for the l6,ooovictims, onebof them who is sitting

right on this floor, Representative Louie Diprima, and all

of the depositors who are spread a11 over Chicago, on the

Northwest side and my district and many of ycur districts.

They're looking fcr this House, for this state to do the

right thing by these people and I ask for a favorable vote,

Mr. Speaker-''

Rep. Arthur A. Telc:er: ''Gentleman from Cook, Representative Ca uzj

Lcuis F. Capuzi: ''Now Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the#

House....''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser! ''Representative Miller, for what purpos

E do you rise Sirr'I

P.J. Miller. ah...would like tc have the bill called back to

second, for purpcse of amendment. Some of the members said

they wouldn't support it unless I amended it so, I'm sending

the amendment up to reduce 5.t to $15,000,000..'

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''O-K Does the gentleman have leave ah..

'hearing no objection House Bill 8O0 will be brought back

to the order of second reading. And when the clerk arrives,

or that is when the amendment arrives at the clerk desks...''

P.J. Miller: ''We're liquidating the assets and ah...I think

$15,000,'000 dollars will do the job...very adequately andV2

I ask the Ilind indulgence of the House to move this back to

second so we can amend the bi1l.''

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Rop. Arthur A. Telcser' ''O-k will the clerk please rpad the

amendment.n

Fredric B. selcke: nAmend no. Miller, amend House Bill 80O

on page 1, line 32 by deleting $30,000,.000 and inserting

in lieu thereof; '$15,000,000.1.

''The gentleman from ccok RepresentativRep. Arthur A. Telcser: ,

Peter Miller-''

P.J. Miller: move the adoption of the amendment Mr. Chairman-''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there any discussion? Does the

gentleman from cook Representative Capuzi wish to discuss

the amendment Sir?''

Louis F. Capuzi: ''Ah.., no, Mr. Speaker, I wanted to speak on

the bi1l.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''We1l, its on second reading no!g.''

Louis F. Capuzi: ''Wel1, I know, was cut off, but 1'.11 hold my

remarks for when it comes back on third reading.''! , ! .Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: Is there any discussion? Gentlemani

.

i .from Sangamon, Representative Gibbs.''

W. Joseph Gibbs: ''Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman. of the Hous ,

in reference to the amendment, would the sponsor yield to

. a questionan

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''He indicates he will-''

w. Joseyh Gibbs: ''A14...how was the amount determined the f'rsa

place from $30,000,000 and then reduced down to $15,000,000.'

P.J. Millerf ''We1l, that's the time, they were not liquidating

when I first introduced the bill and, but now based on the

rojected 1os s . . . . in iiquidati.ng the . . . . the court ordered . . . ''17- U-''- U %. ..?,.. .rœ : uj'' '. 5 - >R G E N E R A t, A S S E 51 B L Yk ' iJ . . ; .. 4 r, jj j:y s j u u j x o j sî . : sTA T

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W. Joseph Gibbs: ''So the fifteen million would represent a pay nt

after complete liquidationa''

P . J . Miller : '' Yes .'. ''#

W. Joseph Gibbs' nThank you.''

P.J. Miller: ''Thank you, Mr. Gibbs.''

Rep. Arthur A. Teleser: ''Is there Further discussion? The gent emet

has offered to move the adoption of amendment No. 1 to House

Bill 800. Al'1 in favor signify by saying 'aye' the opposed#

'no'. The amendment is adopted. Are there further amendmenus?

Third reading. House Bill 4084.'1

Fredric B. Seleke: ''House Bill 4084. An act to provide for the

ordinary and contingent expenses of the Illinois Commerce

Commission. Third reading of the bill.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: nGentleman from eook Representative#

Regner . ''

oavid Regner: ''Ah...Mr. speakùr, ladies and gentleman of the

.House, this is the ordinary and contingent expenses tor the

Illinois Colmerce Commission. The original request for this

here was $4,311,100 and then we had an amendment no. 1 which

was a eommittee amendment whieh reduced it by $28 300. And. '

Ifd ask for a favorable vote on this bill.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''T: there any discussion? Gentleman

from Union, Representative Choate.n'

Clyde L. dhoate; like for the sponsor to answer a questi n

' if he would?''

Fiep .=ArtlRur A . Telcser : ''IJe indieates he ' 11 yièld . ''

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clyde L. Choate: ''Where's the sponsor?''

David J. Regner: ''I think he's in Europe today.''

' Clyde L. Choate: ''I just wondered.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there further discussion? Question

is shall House Bill 4084 pass. All those in favor signify

by voting 'aye' and the opposed by voting 'no'. Representa ivc#

Gentleman from cook, Representative Mann tc explain his vote.''

Robert E. Mann: ''Mr'. speaker, reeognize that my explaination 's

not going to persuade anybody and this is why I waited till

explaination of vote. But for thè past three terms I have

ast no votes as a matter of protest against the Illi'noisc

Commerce Commission which I do not think it in any way respo Rsi&.'

to the needs to consumers in this State . And I think in

particulax about commuters p ' I think in particular about the

ah...IC which gets ah...continuous permission to increase

railroad fairs and does very little about increasing the qua itN

of the transporation offers to people in the suburbf and

in the inner city. I live a btlock from the IC and I can tes ifq'

to the fact that the service continues to be spotty ah..athe

stations are i11 kept and il1 maintained and yet ah..otime

! after time after time the Commerce Commiision Mechanically

ah...grants increases in fairs ah...to the Tllinois Central.

Now the Illinois Central is prepared ah...to undertake a gia t

program of building High Rises along cur lake front ah...to

make more money ah-- from landwhich is owned by the people

and I'm going to vote no, and I wanted td rxplain why.''

Repf Arthur A. Telcserr ''Have voted who wish? Take the. ...' record. Maragos, present. Palmer 'no' Laurino present...*1% ., u ' * 'y' ; ?. c '-'7w ' - y G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Yç ' ' ; l . st ç . .

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, , , , ' h resentcaldwell, no . Leonard, present. Shea, aye , o p ,

ê sorry sir. Lechowicz present. Let's go no'w. Represe ta-I m ,

tive Brandt, how's the gentleman recordeda''

Fredric B. Selckez ''The gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye'.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Record the gentleman as voting presen .

Representatave Laurino, present, I mean Leon, present, I'm

sorry. Katz, present. BZB. Wolfe, present. Frank Wolf, p eser

Kosinski, present. Smith, present. Thcmpson, present.

uow was representative Thcmpson recordeda''

Fredric B. selcke: ''The gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye'.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcier: ''Barnes, 'no'. Harold Washingtcn, pre ent.

Barné's was no.. Harold Washington was 'no, present I'm sor y.

Oatis Collins, present. Downes, present. R. Cartêr, prese t.

R.J. Welsh, presenk. Alsup, 'aye'. Duff, 'aye'. Hil'l 'a e'.#

Barry, 'aye'. Pappas, 'aye'. North 'aye'.

Fredric selcke: ''Capuzi is 'aye'. Granta 'aye'-''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''On this question there are 'aye'#

12 'nays', 19 answering present. And this bill having

received a constitutional majority is hereby declared passe .

House Bill 4096.''

Predric B. selcke: ''House Bill 4096. Bill for an act to provid

for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department

of Personnel. Third reading of the bill.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Gentleman from cook, Representative

Sevcik.''

Joseph G. Sevcik: ''Ah.., Mr. Spe/ç er, ladies and gentleman of t e '

Ilouse House Bill 4096 makes appropriations for the ordinar.#s.m.. 'kjt-% ï' ' t >? h . '%

y . . . 7,% ct G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y$ % , ). ..4 ;ç ' : ' sv x, v y: o s j k. u ! N o j s

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and c,nntingent expenses for the Dep/rtment of Personnel for

the ;' ; scn 1 yf ar beginning July 1, l 9 7 2 . Tok à l5.ng $34 , 742 . 30 .

I ask for your favored support-''

Re6.. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there any discussion? Question is

shall House B1ll 4096 pass. Al1 those in favor signify by

voting'aye', the opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted who

wish? tp''e t3e record. On this question there are 139 'aye ',p* s . xk

no 'naye' and Lltis bill having received a constitutional ma'ori

is hereby dealared passed. House Bill 4099.''

Fredric B. Selckar ''House Bill 4099. Bill for an act to provid

for the ordinary ànd contingent expenses of the Department

of Insurance. Third reading nf the bill-n

Rep. Arthur A. Telcseç: ''The gentleman from cock, Representativ

YPCOW * ''

ernard E. Epton: ''Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the Hous ,

its my pleasure to again present you the apprcpriation of thè

.Department of Insurance. Wedre proud that this appropriatic

for $3,680,000 ie substantially less than last years appropr a=

tion as well'as the year previously. I solicit your vote in

favor of the appropriation.''

Rep. ARthur A. Tèlcser: *Is there any discussion? Question is

shall House Bi11 4099 pass? A1l khose in favor siguify by v tin

'aye', the orposed by voting 'no'. Have al1 voted who wish?

Take the rccsrd. Representative Lechowicz, for what purpose do

you riso. Sir?''

Thaddeus S. Lechowicz: ''Just one commont, Mr. Speaker, what the

yponsor indsci:v=nd was true as far as the allocation of money . ' ' ' 7* '

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but the actual expenditures is just in the reverse. But

vote 'aye. ''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: this question there are 147 'ayes'

no 'nays', and this bill having received a constitutional

majority is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4103.''Fredric B. Selcke: 'lHouse Bill 4103. A bill for an act to prov'de

for the crdinary and contingent axpenses of the Illinois

Legislative Investigating Ccmmission. Third reading of the

bil1.''

Arthur A. Têlcser' ''The gm tleman from cook/ RepresentativRep.Sevcik.'!

Joseph G. Sevcik: ''Ah.., Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of

the House, House Bill 4103 makes the appropriation for the

ordinary and contingent expenses for'the Illinois Legislativ

Investigating Commission totalling $358,500. ask for your

favorable support-''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there any discussion. Question is

shall House Bill 4103 pass. All those in favor signify by

voting 'aye' and theopposed by voting 'no'. Have a11 voted

who wish? Take the record. Phill Wals'-k, 'aye'. On this qu sti

there are 143 'ayes', 4 nays', and this bill having receiv d

a constitutional majority is hereby declared passed. House

Bill 4121.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4121. An act to make an appropr'atc'

for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Legislative

. Ref ernce Bureau . Third reading of the bi).1 . '.

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' Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Gentleman from cook. Representative

Shea . '' '

Gerald W. Shea: ''Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the Hcuse,' This is the annual appropriation for the Legislative Referen e

sureau. z would appreciate .he support oe the uouses.

ep. nrthur A. velcser, .,Is there any discussion? Questlon is sh.ll

House Bill 4121 pass. All those in favor signify by voting '

'aye' the opposed by voting 'no'. Have al1 voted who wish?

Take the recofd. On this cuestion there are l5l 'ayeàî, no l. '''' :

is hereby declared passed. House Bill 4135.'' i

Fredric B. Selcket ''House Bill 4135. Bill for an act to provid

for the ordinary and contingent expenses of the Department

of Registration and Education. Third reading cf the. bil1.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser; ''Gentleman from cook, Representative Wa l.'' John F. Wa11: ''Mr. Speaker, and ladies and gentleman of the'Hou e,

House Bill 4135 is the annual appropriation for the Departme t

! of Registration and Education. For the ordinary and œ nting nt '

. expenses for the year July 1. 1972. I urge your. favorable'

support.''

Rep.. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is thereoank discussion? Question is

shall House Bill 4135 pass. A1l those in favor signify by

vcting 'aye' the opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted

who wish? Take the record. On this question l45 'ayes''

one 'nay', and this bill having received a constituional

. majority is hereby delcared passed. House Bill 4083.11Fredric B. Selcke' ''House' Bill 4083. An act to provide for the

sz-''.g r7é . ordinary and contingent expelAses Of the Department of Aeronautj.t ''? ' % '-put G E N E R A j. A s g E M (j j. y- . t. k:-'- .t .;.., ''k1 ç' . t . ' ? s-r A.'F e o e' 1 L L 1 h1 ol s. ' =. . ;. .z H otl SC o F R EPR Eist': N T A.'rl V ESl .. . .s ... :L3 . .

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Third reading of the bil1.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: MGentleman from Sangamon, Representati e

Representative Bradley, for what purpose do you Rise, Sir?''

Gerald A. Bradley: ''Mr. Speaker, and ladies and gentleman of th

qHouse, on these appropriation bills T think its been the

custom in the past for the sponsor of the bill to indicate t

us 'dhether its been an increase in that Departments appropri tit

over last year. And I wish they would do so this afternoon.''

Rep. Arthur A. Teleserc ''Gentleman from Sangamon, Representati

Jones.''

J. paviù Jones: ''Mr.. Spea er, ladies and gentleman of the House,

4083 is the annual appropriation for the department of Aero aut'l

And the amount has been reduced by $400,000, from the

appropriatihon, as amended in the appropriations committee. 'd

appreciate your favorable support-''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: nGentleman from Christian, Representat'vd

Tipsword.''

Rolland F. Tipsword: have, probably a very unimportant ques ion#

but IId like to ask the sponsor.''

ep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''He indicates he'll yield.''

Rolland F. Tipsword? ''Can you please tell me why we have an

appropriation for the Department o' f Aeronautics when it has

supposedly been merged into the Department of Transporation?''

J. David Jones; ''No, it is only under the Department of Transp rtaz

tion as far as the bonding money that it prescribes. Its

' actions are a seperaie agency and is still maintained that ay.

It's not a subsidiary of the Department of Transportation

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Rolland F. Tipsword: ''Wasn't it supposed tc become a part of

. that Departmentr'

J. David Jones; ''Maybe at scme future date it may be.''

Rolland Tipsword: ''I thought it was in the aet setting up

the Department of Transportation, it was authorized that it

be merged into it.''

J. David Jones: ''The entity of the Department of Aeronautics is

being maintained, although the bcnding issue funds will

be allocated clear throùgh the department of transportationo''

Rolland F. Tipsword: ''Thank you-''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser' ''Is there further discussion? Questio

is shall House Bill 4083 pass? Al1 khose in favor signify

by voting 'aye' the opposed by voting 'no'. Have a1l vote#

who wish? Take the record. On this'question l38 'ayes',

no 'nays'. And this bill having received a constitutional

majority is hereby deelared passed. Lechowicz, 'aye'.Simmons, 'aye'. Henss, 'aye'. Brandt, 'aye'. House Bill 197.

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4197. An Act to provide for th

ordinary and contingent expenses of the DepartmeM of Child en

and Family Services. Third reading of the bil1.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Gentleman from cock Representative

Schlickman' ''

Eugene Schlickman: ''Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentleman

of the House, House Bill 4197 appropriate $111,947 O00 to#

the Department of Children and Family Services for its ordi ars, !. -' i

'and contingenk expenses. This is a 14.7% increase oyer fis al '

1972. The inereases are centered in just a few areas. Day are,egrtlo'r' :q.. xz/ z : 'yfî k.:.,,c V'>j.,,kvt G E N E R A L A S S E M B . 1. Yql f. . svxvc o, IuulnolsNk , -. ..

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aymentb of care of children, Illinois Soldiers and SailorsP

Home Of Qlllncy, and Chicago m ergency Care Facility fOr Chic go .

Most prcgrams of the department will merely be in a positic

i a preciat'eto support the level of existing sefv ces. p

your support.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcsert ''Is there any discusion? Gentlepan fro

cook, Representative Dan O'Brien.''

D.J. OlBrien: ''Mr. Speaker, I have a question of the sponsor if'

he'll yield.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''He indicates he will.''

D.J. o'Brien: ''Ah..-Gnne, I understand some time back that the

appropriation of moneis to non-for-profit orphanages, the

ones' I am aquainted with are in chicago, Ifm sure acrobs t e

State, Ah...the pereapita alotment from the State was reduc d

from $17.00 to $11.00, I was contacted by some orphanageé

in and about Chicago, and they informed me that it was impc sibz

to stay open at this rate. understood that there would b

an increase in the apprope ations for the Department cf

Children and Family Services to bring back the state partic'pat-'

of the maintainmence in the orphanages to a level that they

could live with.''

Eugene schlickman: ''Repr.esrysL',:uLi.'rl as I mentioned apart of t e

14.7% increase in the appropriations for fiscal '73 over fis al

'72 is for payment of services. And it is scheduled to be

an increase in the rate for these private residential care

facilities which are housing wards of the state being placed

through the department o f Children and Family Services.''

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D.J. O'Brien: ''In other words. the subsidie for orphans in not-

for-profit institutions in and about Chicago has been brough

backto a reasonable level, Has been increased by this appro -

riation?''

Eugeke F. Schlickman: ''We11. shou7.dn't say a subsidie because

the state is paying for a service that's being provided to it.

And' the amount that is being appropriaEed this year is

substantial pver last year and rate increases are involved.''

D.J. O'Brien: nBut the rate reducticn has been reinstated by th's

appropriation, that correct?''

Eugene F. Schlickman: ''Yes.'' w

D.J. O'Brien: ''Alright.n

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Gentleman from cock, Representative Sh a.''

Gerald Shea: ''Wi1l the sponsor yield for a question?''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''He indicated he will.''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Gene, one of thp problems, at least as I see i .

see where we clcsed up St. Vintent's because the Departmen

of Children and Family Services didn't want to place any chi dre'

in that instituticn and I know we're talking about building

new institutions but I find that many instances we have some

of our private Care facilities for children, such as some of

our orphanages in the city, where.the population is way down

and yet the department is not plac'ing children there. Now

could you tell me, have they taken a firm policy that they'd

rather build brick and mortar buildings and not use these

inw titutions?''

''The Department of Children and FamilyEugene F. Sehlickman: ,.

;.cT%.' '0.. Services traditionally has relied upon private residential care) f

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facilities for plaeement of children assigned to the depart ent.

' ' And this traditional philosophy of the department is cohtin ing.

Gerald W. Shea: ''Well, if the traditional philosophy the depar en-

may be continuing, but I'm wondering, Gene , if you'd have

any objections to pull this cut of the record and find out or' me ah...jusk what's going on the Department. I understa d

that one orphanage on the North Side, that they haven't pla ed

any ehildren in almost a year, and that the number of child en

they're taking care of there has Oropped almost in half and

the increment per child is way up and its one cf the Cathol'c

orphanages on the North Side. And I mean, you know, welre -itt.z

here with these big institutions and we're just nct taking....

we've got them there and what concerns me is new brick and

mortar when we've got some ofrthe facilities there. ' And th n

see places like, Little City and some of these other inst'tu-

tions that are taking care of children, and I don't see the

doinq anything for them. And I'm just, I get a little curi us

at times.'.

Eugene F. Schlickman: ''Representative, there are only two faci itic

Brick and Mortar facilitiep if you wish, that are covered b

this appropriations bill. One i: to staff a new facility i

the City of Chicago and the other is to construct a new fac lit'

in the city of East St. Louis. These are facilities ah....

for hard to place children. These are facilities that are n

now way competitive with the private residential care facil t5.c' upon which t17e Depa rtmentof Chi :k1 ren and Family Servi ces p tl e

state eneral.ly, is absolutely depondent . ''' . k

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Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Representative Pierce: for what purpos

do you rise, Sir?''

Daniel M. Pierce: ''Mr. Speaker, on a point cf personal priviled e.

I'd like to intrcduce from the balcony some girl scouts from

Antioch, Tllinois. The District represented by Represeniati e

Murphy and myself cn the Lake View Council of the Girl Scout-

from Antioch, Illincis in the balcony.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Repfesentative O'Brien, for what purpo-e

do you rise sir?''

D.J. O'Brien: ''AK...Mr. Speaker, don't want to harp on this#

but I'd like to ask çene one specific question. Gene see

you have scmeone there from the Department. Maybe he's fam'lic

with this particular situation. I'm referring specifically

to Maryville Orphanage, in Desplaines, Illinois. Has there

been an adjustment? Ah-m.Reinstate the decrease in ratq thak

they experienced about six or seven months ago-''

Eugene F. Schlickman: ''Well Representative, T'm very familiar

with Maryville, because its in my own district and I've been

associated with Maryville particularly, you may recall that

earlier I introduced a bill which ha& passed and is waiting

in the Governor's office for approval to provide for additio al

classroom facilities for district 26 to accomodate the child en

from Maryville. I've been in close contact with Maryville

and they are satisfied ah..-with the provisions that are con ain

under this bill as things now stand.''

D.J. O'Brien: ''In this bill we're talking about?''

Eugene Schlickman : ''Yes S ir. the biil that ' s presently under.l.pq.jn..s.y. consideration . ''

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Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there further discussion? Questio

is; shall House Bill 4197 pass. All those in favor signify

by voting 'aye'; the opposed by voting 'no'. Have all voted

who wish? Take the record. On this question l50 'ayes'.

Neff 'aye' Bluthardt 'aye' McMaster 'aye' Meyer 'aye'' #

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Palmer 'aye' Maragos 'aye', And this bill having received#

a constitutional majority is hereby declared passed. Fleck

'aye', House Bill 4247. House Bill 4252.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4252. An act to provide for the'

ordinary and contingent expenses of the Secretary of State.

Third reading of Ahe bill.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Gentleman from Dupage, Reyresentative

Philip-''

James Philip: ''Ah...Mr. Speakery and ladies and gentlemen of th

House, House Bill 4252 as amended is the annual budget reque t

for the Secretary of State's Offic: for fiscal 1973. The '

total budget is $51,459,568. This is a reduced requêst by

$1,048,000 below the 1972 budget. It also includes a 6%step increase or 1.6 million dollars which has been absorbed

in this budget for personnel service. Fourteen of the twent -se'

divisions were able to reduce their total operating costs to

less than this years appropriation'. had a full hearing i

sub committee and in committee and 1* ask for your favorable

consideraticn-u.

Rep. Arthur A. Telcsur: ''Gentleman from MqLean Representative

Bradley-''

Gerald A. Bradley: ''Mr. Speaker, and ladies and gentleman of th

f d ' ' ' the s onsor would- - ' '.. .-t: w Ilouse , I was wo à ctrzng n. j' p yield to a questiu,4/, . .- ,pi % ', . G E N E lt A L A S S E 51 B L Ykr'f :.

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Ilep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''He indicates he'll yield.''

Gerald W. Bradlev: ''Patea. I was wondering if you would be so

generous as to pull this bill at this time, know its a lat

request back to second reading for an amendment I have and I

spoke to you about it earlier?''

James Philip: nYes, this is the House Bill. I thought you were

talking about the Senate Bill. The Senate Bill is still on

second reading.''

Gerald W. BraG ey: realize it is .welre going to ah.m.we hav#

the amendment for that. We also have the amendment for this

one also ah-..would ycu ah...n

James Philip: ''You know. for some reason when we talked e:rlie

I was under the impression you only had one amendment and it

was the amendment for the Senate Bill, which I don't' mind

considering. But this has been on third reading for at leas

a week and I dcn't think I'm going to move it back to second

reading for an amendment. If you want to try on the Senate

Bill, fine and dandy, but the ship 'has sailed.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there further discussion? Question

is shall House Bill 4252 pass? those in favor signify

by voting 'aye'. the opposed by voting ' no'. Gentleman fr m

cook, Representative Shea to explain his vote.''

Gerald W. Shea: ''I'd like to be voted present on this bill.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Record the gentleman as voting present

Gentleman from cook, Representative Lechowicz to explain his

.vote . ''

Tlladdeus S . Lechowicz : ''May I be recorded as present , nlease? '':/, ....x,. . c s x E It A L A s s E M jl L v. k.. .y ,. . - .; j6 ç . .- sxxxc c,!r lut.Iolo's*

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Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Record the gentleman as voting present.

Have a1l voted who wish? Take the record. On this question...

Representative Phillip, for what purpose do you rise Sir?''

James Philip: was hoping the ship'was éoing to get out of th

Harbor, but after, obviously I've had a little problem and I'd

like to poll the absentees.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''O-K the gentleman has requested to po1

the absentees. Representative Shea, for what purpose do you

rise sir?''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Pate, I wish that you'd think twice about it o -

do you want to wait until everybody answers some way, or wha ?

You could give the man an opportunity to amend the bil1.''

James Philip: ''nxactly whp t does that mean?''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Well, if you didn't have enough votes would yo

want to give him the opportunity to'at least try to ameh'd it .

You know you can beat it. I'm just thinking of the time ofthis House of polling the absentees.''

James Philip: '.1'11 tell you one thing, its against my better

judgement but I will go along with your humble suggestion.

Thank you. Pull it ouY of the record.''

Rept Arthur A. Telcser: ''Gentleman has asked to put House Bill

is there leave to take it out of the record? O-K we'll take

out of'the record. House Bill ahv..House Bill 1339.,,

Fredric B. Selcke: nllouse Bill 1339. An act in relation to the dis.

l ' f state and local public xecords and authorizing ac osure o

penalty for the vielation thereof. Third reading of the bil .''.

Re17 . Arthur A . Telcser : ''Gentleman fron) cook , Representative Bu di L, v . , ! n c y .

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s- y tauehe o); .. oor? Is the gentleman on the f oor . . . .

. lcbm (: thz'a : ' r 'f yhe record . House Bill 4645 . '' '

FruGrie B. Seicke: .''llouse Bill 4645. Bill for an act to amend

.f/he Township zoning Act. Third reading of the bill.''

Ren w'qrthur A. 'relcser: ''Gentleman from cook, Representative

Mcpartlin.''

i ''Ah Mr Speaker co'uld ask leave to ha eRobart Mcpartl n: . . . . ,

. . . . ' . .. - z: w- '.u' ' -<' ai'kt-s' e' r34,- lzq'ard as companion bills ? ''

Rey. Arthur A. Talcser: ''Are there any objection? Hearing none,

will the cle'rk please read House Bill 4646.1'

Fredric'B. selck.a: ''House Bill 4646. An act to add section 58 '

to an act concerning public utilities. Third .reading of the

bil'l '''

'' tleman from cook RepresentativeRep. Arthur A. Telcser: Gep ,

Mcpartlin.''

Robert F-Mcpartlin: '' Ah...Mr. Speaker, members of the House,

House Bill 4G45 does ne affect the authority of municipaliti s

and counties to regulate a zone and control the location of

'a generating/station. The current law would also remain in

effect with subl'ects electric generating stations tq regulat

and appropriate cases by the following agencies; The Pollut'on

control Board, The Ehvironmental Protection Agency, The Illi oi=

commerce Coaaissione The U.S. Atomic Energy Colmnission, and'... the U.s . cory s of Engineers . House Bill 4645, or 4646 would

''permit an elv.etric utility to participate in the commerce

. Commis sion f or a sight investigation authority only af ter no -ic' '

adhering to 1.1)e property owners or owners and showilAg a need .

' ï'< .' .. t -1. 'would u'ppr : .t tle the suppcrt of tchc flouse . ''/ . G is N E R A t. A s s E M B t.'f'i/ r - - I ', t * S T A T C O F 1 L. L ' N O 1 S!$$$-hk. . - . . ,/* ' H otl G C G F 1: E P R E S E FI'F G'F i V i: S

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87.

Rep. Arthur A. 'relcs4vr: ''Gentleman from cook, Representative

S CXIYCM WIR 'i' * '

Eugene F. Schlick'man: ''Would the gentM man yield for a couple o

questions ? ''

Rep . Arthur A . 'Pa'.7.cser : ''He indicates he will. ''

E'ugene F . Schll eqclttukz : ''Representative , by this bill we would be

providing for an increase exemption to 'township zoning. And.' t

this is done ',';'y a broadening of the definition of public uti itl'

equipment. If- there a similar exemption that is provided in:

the municipaà t''ode, or in the county act? ''.' . â

Robert F. Mcpartlkn: ''Ah..yes there are additional exemptions, -

itoois actually have to do with poles, tires, towers, wires

cables etc-''

Eugene F. Schliefzvman:' ''Is the broadened definition of public

utiltity as ls contained in House Bill 4645 identical to the

exemptions that are contained in the municipal and county

zoning act . '' '.

Robe'rt MCPar tlin: ''That I really don't know, Genee''

Eugene F. Schlicpmanl ''What justification can there be, Represe ta-

tive, for adding to the exemptions to township zoning, or

municipal or county for that matter?'''

i Robert McpArtl1.n: ''We1l this is a public utilitye ah...goinr

to a generating station. Its adding a generating station.

And a1l it dc'ofâ is add the one word to the act-''Z : '. . .

m gene F . SchlicF '..t$1à : ''Is there a specific projeet and specif ic

township that you have in mine?''

lkobert F. Mcpartq Ln: ''Ah...yes there is.''''v z *:27. ' ; . .

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Eugene F. Szhlickman: ''Would you mincl identifying this specific

project in the specific township?''' Robert Mcpartlin: ''Ah...its Lasalle County.''

Eugene F. Schlickman:' ''You say Lasalle County?''

Robert F. Mcpartlin: ''Yes-''

Eugene F. Schlickman: ''And what ia khe project?''Robert Mcpartlin: ''Ah...to alu ..put a generating station ah...

in Lasalle County ah.-efor the purpose of electricitye'l

Eugene Schlickman: ''Who will own and operate the generating,

the power generating plant?''

Robert Mcpartlin: ''The public ùtilities, the commonwealkh edi on.

Eugene Schlickman: ''Mr. Speaker, and ladies and gentleman of

the House, a crying need that presently exists in I:linois t da'

is the conservation of our natural resources primarily that f

land. Now the only way we can assure the preservation and

cnnser/aticn of our most natural resource, land, is to maint in

the integrity of our local zoning ordinances which presumabl

and hopefully are based on long range comprehensive land use

plans. By House Bill 4645 We are affecting the integrity an

the integrity of local zoning and the ability of local zonin

officials to meet the needs to conserving and preserving our

land. would hope, Mr. Speaker and ladies and gentlemen of

the House, that we would acknowledge that this bill is desig ed

for one township, one particular project from the nature of

special legislation, but would have an effeet statewide on a l

townships downstate that. are engaged in zoning authority. I

would hope, with all due respect to the sponsor of this bill

..av-%.. t at a. t s e e a te . ' ', ' ' . 'V'q....e - .. ' &./ '.'w j GENERAL AssEMBuvi k ' ' 'h .'. <,k f k . ' ' ' sv a'rc o F, I uu1 - o Ssf .r'. . ' pP H Dtl S e: O F 14 E PR F G C 14 T A $ I &/ ES: !'. '.. 1>

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Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Gentleman from cook, Represçntative

Palmer.''

Romie J. Palmer: ''Wil1 the sponsor yield for a question?''

Rép. Arthur A. Telcser: ''He indicates he uill.''

Romie J. Palmer: ''On 46...your taking 4646 together with 4645

is that correcta''

Robert F. Mcpartlin: ''That's right.''

Romie Palmer: ''On 4646 has there been an amendment?''

nobert F. Mcpartlin: ''Ah...yes, there was an amendment on 4646.''

Romie J. Palmer: ''What does that amendment do?''

Robert F. Mcpartlin: ''It removed the section that'authorized th

urrk during daylight hours only-''

Romie J. Palmer: ''Thak's ducky. Ah...the ah...apparently by,

in the reading of this bill it ah..provides that the ah...

with or without the condemnation proceeding pending the. Illi oir

Commerce Commission can then authorize a public utility,'and

extensively in this case, the public service company of Nort ern

Illinois ah...to go upon a farmer's property ah...dig wells

aha..do a1l sorts of things, tear up his corn and ah.o.hay

perhaps so that they can get soundage ahv..the question that

. 1 want to ask you; is there any c6mpensation provided for th's?

see none in this bill.''

Robert Mcpartlin: ''Ah...yes there is. Ah..oactually the

utility would be required to pay for any actual damage to th

property arising from its work. That's in 4646.''

Romie J. Palmer: ''Wel1 was that in the amendment?''

Robert Mcpartlin: ''No 'it is in the bi11.''

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lkomx. .. '- i ' palmer : ' ee--ln you tell me the line number? ''

' aartli':; ''Ah line 30 on page l . ''Rob-srt Mc1 . . . . . e

Romie J. Palmer: ''Starting on line 28;'no entry authorized by

,'iJ11= Commission nhan be deemed to be a trespass nor an entry

''''cjl:zrJn any conder 1' zrttion predeeding which may be pending, but

that doesn ' t sr g they are allowed damage/ f or the entry upon

the propetty fox' the purpose- .z''' ;2

Ro1..'. .. 7- ' lp . Mcpc.z ulln :' ' ''b'continue on from there, just the way it

reads . 1'

Nr'm.''.w J. Palmer : ''..' N- ', ' kght . I stand corrected: see the . . .the

particular provx'sion. Now who's going to make the award of

the damangesa''

Rabert F. Mcpartlin: 11 Well, that would be on file vith the

Commdrce Commiss'ion-''

Romie Palmer: ''keuld the Cowmerce Commission make the award

of damagesr'

Robqrt F. Mcpartlirn ''Well, no, aho..they would direct ihe util'ty

to make the'award of damages-''

Romie J. Palmer: ''And who's going to make the determination as

to the amount of damages?''

Robert F. Mcpartlinz ''Wel1, imagine that would be done also b

the Commerce Coltanission .' ''

Rep . Arthur A . Telu'qi'*'r' : ''Genkleman f rom' cook , Representative Ju kei

lRooeg'di S. Juckett: Speaker, would the, you know there are

alot of questions that arp arising on this bill, I'm wonderi g

the sponsor wèuld take out of the record. and we can g t

together and mu/we work out some of the differences?''. .# ' ' *

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Robert F. Mcparklin: ''Alright, finee''

Rep. Arthur Telcser: ''Alright, let's take it out of the reco d.

House Bill 1339..'

dric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 1339. An Aet in relation to iheFre

disclosure of State and local public reeords and authorizing

a penalty for the violation thereof. Third reading of the b'll.

Rep. Arthur Telcser: ''The gentleman from cook, Representati

Burditt.''

George M. Burditt: ''Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the

House ah.-athis is the nState Freedom of Information Act' th t'E

modelled on the 'Federal Freedom of Information Act' it was

given very extensive ccmmittee consideration ah..oamend O nts

were worked out after the first hearing before the cdmmittee

and I believe that all objections to the bill have now been

removed. I'd appreciate your support for the bill-''

Rep. Arthuâ A. Telcser: ''The gentleman from cook, Representatâ

Kosinski-''

Roman J. Kosinski: ''Wi11 the sponsor yield to a question?''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''He indicates he will.''

Roman J. Kosinski: ''Gecrge, we discussed this by telephone,

wanted to.make certain of it that nothing has changed. Ah...

you may remezyer that I have a bil'l on putting the lid on

Gun registrations to protect the owners. Will this bill eff ct

my bi1l?''

George M. Burditt: ''No.''

Roman Kosinksi: nThank you-''

Rep. Arthur A . Telcser: ''Is there further discussion? Question

g. ' k . <k ,6/ ) '.?. J -,>> > G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y: k' h ., j-q.î'. .. , ..n, . .

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is shall House Bill 1339 pass. Al1 those in favor signify b

voting 'aye' and the opposed by qoting 'no'. Hale all vote#

who wish? Take'the record. Tipsword, 'aye'. On this quest'on

there are l38 'ayes' one 'nay'. And this bill having recie ed#

'

.a consitutional majority is hereby declared passed. Senate

Bills third reading. On the order of Senate Bills third rea inv

Senate Bill 1508...

Frèdric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1508, an act in relation to pa enL

of grants to enable the elderly to acquire or retain private

hoœ ing and make an appropriation in connection therewith. hi=', %

reading of the bill.''

Rep. Arthur Telcser: ''Gentleman from cook, Representative Ma n.''

Robert E. Mann: ''We1l, Mr. Speaker and members of the House, th s

is the last of the four so called circuit breaker bills whic

will result in ah...tax relief for our senior citizens. .A1l

four bills have been amended âo that they are now the same i

al1 important respects. Ah..athey were amended throtigh thecooperation'ah.o.of the leadership on b0th sides of the aisl

and the citizens action program which took and interest in t is

particular legislation. Ah-.osince this bill has passed the

' other measures ah..I would hope it would be not necessary fo

me to go into detail except that it is an agreed bill and I

uDuld ask for you support.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is then any discussion? Question is s all'

Senate Bill 1508 pass? All those in favör signify by vding 'ay,

'the opposed by voting 'no'. Have al1 voted who wish? Take

the record. On this question l56 'aye' no 'nays' and this ill

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having received a constitutional majority hereby declared

passed. Ccmmittee Reports.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Mr. Regner, from the Committee on Appropria iol

to which House Bill 4688, was referred, reported the same ba k

with the recommendation that the bill do pass. Aœ . Regner:

from the Committee on Appropriations, Senate Bills 1323, 142

were referred, reported the sàme back with amendments theret ,

with the recommendation that the amendments be adopted and t at

the bills do pass. Nr. Regner, from Appropriations to which

Senate Bills 1511, 1593, 1606 were referred, reported the sa e

back with the recommendation that the bills do pass.'' ir.

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Messages from the Senate.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the Ho se

of Representatives that the Senate has refused to recede the'r

amendment to a bill of the following title; House Bill 1954,

and I am further directed to inform the House of Representat've:

that the Senate requests a Committe of Conference to consist of

five meneers, action taken by the senate June 20 1972. Ke etè.

Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker - I am directed to inform th

House of Representative the Senate has refused to recede fro

their amendntent to bill with the followi ng title; Hcuse Bill

1954, am further directed to inform the House of Represent ti'

that the Senate requests a committee conference that consist

of five members of each house, actions taken by the Senate ne

1972. Kenneth Wright, secretary. Mr. Speaker - I am

directed to inform the House of Representatives the Senate h s

refused to recede from their amendments to the bill with the

',.-f(2F%. following title ; Ilouse Bill 42 70 and I am f urtlzer directed to,6 J)t . > -774 k4 G E N E jt A L A s s E M B L Yt - . . 7 -.-. .) s.r .vc .s , uu, s o,s. ' ... .

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sou sc o e :2 c ea s sc pl'r A. T 1 v c s. '' rk %b

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inform the House of Representatives the Senate has requested

a committee conference c'onsists of five members of each hous .

Action taken by the Senate June 19, 1972. Kenneth Wright,

Secretary. Mr. Speaker, am directed to inform the House

of Representatives the Senate has refused to recede from the'

amendments to thb bill with the following title; House Bill

4361, am further directed to inform the. House of Represent ti=

that the Senate requests a Committee of Conference to consis

of five members from each house to consider the differences.

Action taken by the Senate iune 20# 1972. Kenm th Wright,

Secretary. Mr. Speaker - I am directed to inform the House

of Representatives the Senate has concurred with the House

of Representatives to pass the bill with the following title;

House Bill 3078. Together with the folloing amendmentq Pass.d

the Senate as amended June l9, 1972. Kenneth Wright, S'ëcret ry.

Mr. Speaker I am directed to inform the House of Represent ti%

the Senate has concurred with the House of Reprepentab ives a d

passed the bill with the follou ng title; House Bill 4190,

together with the following amendment. Passed the Senae as

amended June 20 1972. Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Mr. Spea er

.1 am directed to inform the House' of Representatives the Sen te

has concurred with the House of Representatives to pass the

bill with the follou ng title; House Bill 4260, to gether wi-h

the following amendment. Passed the Senate as amended June 0,

1972, Kdnneth Wfight, Secretary. Mr. Speaker - am directe

to inform the House of Representatives that the senate has

concurred with the House of Representatives to ass the bj. l wit... k'.' . . jjr;/' .. ', l,:yz...2':4 '. . .

) v..?. - crx; . 'hs.

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95.

the following title; House Bill 4278. Together with the

following amendment. Passed the senate as amended June 20, 1977.

Kenneth Wrig:ht,eseeretary. Mr. Speaker - I am directed to

inform the House of Representatives that the Senate has con urrt

'with the House of Representatives to pass the bill with the

following title; House Bill 4298, together with the followi g

amendment. Passed the Senate as amended June 20, 1972, Ken eth

Wright, Secritary. Mr. Speaker - I an directed to inform t eHouse of Representatives that the Senate has concurred with

the House to pass the bill with the following title; House

Bill 4427, together with the following amendment. Passed t e

Senate as amended June 20 1972. Kenneth Wrighc, Secretary# .

Mr. Speaker am directed to inform the House .of represen ati

the Senate has coneurred with the House in the passage of t e

bill wi''ah the following title: House Bill 4523, togethqr w th

the following amendment, Pas'sed the Senate as amended June

29, 1972, Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speaker am

directed td inform the House of Representatives that the Se ate

has concurred with the House to pass the bill with the foll winc

title; House Bill 4438, 4439,4458,4.459,4461 passed'the Sen te

June 20, 1972. . Kenneth Wright. Secretary. Mr. Speaker -

I am directed to inforv the House of Representatives that tRe

Senate has concurred with the House'in the passage of the b'll

with the following title; House Bill 4085,4087,4171,4188,41 9,

' 4243,4261,4308,4318 passed the Senate .lûne 20, 1972, Kennet

Wright Secretary. Mr. Speaker am directed to inform t

House of Representatives thmt the Senate has concurred with he' LI(-%- *V5 '',,'..k tl , 2) h

. y j' 4 ( . b, e -n>. ' $ y c E N E R A t. A s s E M jj L vJj. ' ' $ : 7.4k- , . - t.. sousssTo-sTe-os-e-'susus',--xow'sx , - cs. :,(

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House in the passage of the bill with the following title; House

Bill 4301, 4307.4319, 4327, 4363, 4425, 4511, 4541 passed tSenate June 20, 1972. Kenneth Wright, Secretar#. Mr. Speak.rI am directed to inform the House of Representatives that th

Senate has concurred with the House with adoption of House

amendment no. 1, to the bill with the following title; Sena e

Bill 1363 concurred in by the Senate June 20, 1972. Kenneth

Wright Secretary. Mr. Sp.eaker - I am directed to inform th

House of Representatives the Senate has adoptëd the followin

Conference Committee Report; House Bill 3736, adopted by the

Senate June 20 1972. Kenneth Wright, Secretary. Mr. Speak r -

I am directed to. inform the House of Representatives that th

Senate has adopted the follcwing Conference Cormittee Report,

House Bill 2622, adopted by the Senate June 20. 1972, Kennet

Wright, Secretary. No further messages.u

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''House Bills second reading . House pi14679.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4679. Bill for an act to amend

the eleêkion co.- the School code. Second reading of the bi 1.


Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Are there amendments from the floor?Fredkic B. Selcke: ''Amendment no. 1, Shea, Amend House Fill 467

on page l by striking line 23 andsoforth -n

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Gentleman from cook , Representative Sh a.'$

Gerald W. Shea: ''Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman cf the House

this is a bill that would allow the .chicago school Board to'

borrow $35,000,000 in the rehabilitation bond fund. This am-nd-'

s.! . '*. w ment would . . . is onc tllat ClRaplnan and Cutler thought was a neces s 5 .,,';-.h l-aa-sh . c s x E R A t, A s s Iï M 1$ t, v'(4 j -. k ' 'à . : q ,. ' jiJ s ..x c .s , u u , ,q ., skîk

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and I ' d ask that the Ilouse adopt the amendment . ''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there any discussion? Gentleman

f rom Dupage , Rep' resentative Hof fman . ''

G.L. Hpffman: ''Ah...Mr. Speaker, I wonder if the sponsor would'explain what the amendment does?''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcserl: '.He indicates he willa''

Gu L. Hoffman: didn't hear him explain it if he did-''

Gerald Shea: ''The amendment saysp When such a loan has been

made the board may at any time after the adoption of the ann al

schcol budget, adopt, by a majority vote of the full members ip

of the board supplemental budget to provide for the use of

the added revenues by adding pppropriations to those made in

the annual school budget in amount that s14a1l not exceed the

sum so borrowed. The suplemental budget shall be regarded

as an amendment to the annual budget for that year. And.

then at the end of the next sentence put; the city treasurer

and the school treasurer to transfer funds as directed by

resolution édopted persuant to this section. This is the bi l

that would allow the Chicago Board of Education to borrow up

to $35,000,000 in the rehabilitation bond funds and p'ay it b ck

within five years.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is' them further discussion? Gentleman

has offered to move the adoption of amendment no. l to House

bill 4679. A1l in favor of the adoption signify by saying

'aye' opposed 'no'. The,amendment is adoptedo...Gentleman#

from cook, Representative Ma=n.''

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98.

bert E. Mann: ''I'd like to be recorded as voting .fno.'Ro

Arthur A. Telcser: ''Record Representative Mann as votingRep.

'nO '. Yh0 Vontleman haS Withdrawn that request. A1l those

opposed signify by saying 'no'. The amendment is adopted.

Are there further amendments. Third reading. Senate Bills

second reading. senate Bill 1475.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1475. Bill for an act to % end

the school code. Second reading of the bill. No committee

amendments.''


One moment.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Amendment no. 1, Shea, amend Senate Bill 14 5

as amended ansoforth-''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Gentleman from.cook, Representative Sh a.'.

Gerald W. Shea: ''Mr. Speaker, this is the identical amendment b inb

put on the Senate bill that is the same as the last bill.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: nIs there any discussion? Gentleman ha

offerd to move the adoption of amepdment no. l to Senate Bil

1475. All in favor of the adoption signify by saying 'aye'.

opposed 'no'. The amendment is adopted. Are there further

amendments? Third reading- Senate Bill 1393.'1

Fredric B. selcke: ''Senate Bill 13931 An act to amend Section 8#

and to add section 18.1 as the revenue act of 1939. second

reading of the billo''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''To refresh your memory, this bill has

! ) 'aoen read a second time and amendment no. l was adcpted,

b'.'b t6: tllen held at tlzat point . 'Ifhere is now an amendment no . ,

f 'tl l'ï

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CXOYVYC C. 6O1CRO: '' Amendment nO. Fennessey, amehd Senate B'1l

1393 on page 1, by deleting lines ansoforth.'''

Rep. Arthur A. Teleser: ''Gentleman from Lasalle, Representative

Fennessey. Representative Fennessey dd you wish to offer am nd-

ment roa 2, iir:.''

Joseph Fennessey: ''Yes, I would, Mr. Speaker. members of the Ho se.

Amendment no. 2, what does, it replaceà the Loss in Reven e

caused by the exemptions and current household and ah . . .its

the same bill really that introduced two years ago providi g t

replacement of this revenue that's caused by the loss and

exemptions of current househcld. move for its adoption.''

Rep. Arthur A. zelcser: ''Is there any discussinn? Gentleman ha

moved for the adoption of amendment no. 2 to Senate.Bill l39 .

in favor of the adoption signify bg saying 'aye', oppose

' o' The amendment is adobpted. Afe there furtheè/ amezdmen s?n .Third reading. Senate Bill 1459. Take that out of the reco d

Mr. Clerk. Senate Bills first reading, Senate Bi.ll 1589..'

redric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1589. An act to amend the Civi

Administrative Code. Eirst reading of the bill- '''

ep. Arthur A. Telcser: NGentleman from cook Representative'Garmisa.''

enediet Garmisa: ''Ah...Mr. Speaker: and ladiek and gentlemen o

the House I would like at this time to ask for leave of the

House to suspend House Rule 38 ah...so that we could pass Hou e

cr Senate Bill 1589 to second without reference to colamittee.

'These bills have previously been heard in the House Transpora-iol'Conmlittee when their ilouse Bi1l63 4558

, 455 9 . -T.hov did ha a. e.r vgni. g.... . (; , ,'a

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, su o p' ,4 ce ,4 s sc pl 'r A.'r 1 v cs. . f,. Hou.*.. , . -.LLL;....

100.

thorough hearing. They did pass out of that colmnittee. And

I would ask leave to move this bill to second reading withouL

reference to'committeeo''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Does the gentleman have leave? Hearin

no objection Senate Bill 1589 will be put on the order of

Senate Bills second reading. On the order of House Bills

third readsng. House Bill 4094..'

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4094. Bill for an Act to make

an appropriation for the expenses of the Bureau of The Budget.

Third reading of the bill.'' v

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Gentleman from Logan, Representative

Madigan.''

E.R. Madigan: ''Mr. Speaker, and ladies and gentlemen of the Hou eo

House bill 4094 is the annual appropriation for the Bureau o

the Budgete which was recommended both by the Sub-commitiee qd

the full appropriations committee by a unanimous vote. It'represents a request that reflects the $172 O00 decrease fro

their appropriation from last year. And I would appreciate

your support for the bi1l.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there any discussion? Question is hal

House Bill 4O94'pass7 All those in favor signify by voting 'ayn

the opposed by voting 'no'. Have'all voted who wish? Take

the record. On this questicn l44 îayes' no 'nays' Tuerk ' ye'

and this bill having received a constitutional majority is hareè,

declared passed. House Bill 4522..'

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 4522. Bill for an act to make a

. . . . . , . . . . j;j ;. . .rxta-a<n''' v>*rs bill '' E N E R A L A S S E M 8 L Yh .: - , ' à * Gj.. ; . '.! t ) * %... ) sv a x' t( o e. I u u , e4 o 1 sN; . .. ' eI o kz s c o F n 1: e F, E: s c el 'r A 'r 1 v c s( ., ,. . . .

101.

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: nGentleman from Logan, Representative

Madigan.n

E.R. Madigan: ''Mr. Speaker, and ladies and gentlemen of the Houoe,

this is the appropriation for the Department of Pinance, whi h

as amended, also refleets a decrease in their personnel 1in

item. It has been heard in the appropriations committee and

the appropriate sub-committee; And was recommended do pass

by bcth of those committees by unaninmous vote. I would app e-

ciate supporte''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there any discussion?' Question is

shall House Bill 4522 pass? All those in favor signify by

voting'aye' the opposed by voting'no'. Have all voted who

wish. Take the record. On this Question l53 'ayes', no 'na s',

and this bill having received a constituional majority is he eby'.

declared passed. Representative Schlickman, for what purpo e

do you rise sir?''

Eugene F. Schlickman: ''Mr. Speaker, and ladies and gentlemen of the

House, previously read for the firqt time was Senate Bill 15 1.

This is on the speakers table. Senate Bill 1571 amends the

emergency medical treatment act by providing for amegency tr atr.

for the sick and injured at the scene of khe emergency and d rinthe transporation to the hospital, until care can be assumed by

the regular hospital staff. I've discussed this bill with t e

leadership on b0th sides. And following discussions with t em

and with their approval, I seek unanimous consent to have Se ate

Bill 1571 advaneed to the order of second reading without

referral to committee.''

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102.

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Are there any objections? Hearing no e

Sçnate Bill 1571 will be put on the order of seçond reading

without reference. Representative Regner, for what purpose

do you/rise sir?''

David J. Regner: ''Ah...Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen of the

House I'd like to make an announcement. The appropriations

committee which met for a short while this afternoon will ah...

not reconvien this evening but will meet tcmorrow at 9:30 an

I woul...on the floor of the House. And I would like to ask

leave for the suspension of Rule 17 ah...which is the seven

day posting notice to ah.oohear a certain number cf bills

tomorrow morning and 1.11 read those numbers off right now;

Those bills to be heard will be Senate Bills, 1319, 1326, 13 7,

1361, 1410, 1433, 1476, 1535, 1542, 1550, 1554, 1555. 1564, nd

16 04 . ''

Rep. Arthur Ao Telcser: ''Ah...conference Committe Reportson

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Conference Committee Reports. House Bill

3736. Blades.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Gentleman from Wayne, Representative

Blades. This report has been distributed to al1 the members.''

Ben. C. Blades:nMr. Speaker, ladies an'd gentlemen of the House,

the Conferenee, I have the Conference Connittee Report on 1.10 se

Bill 3736. This is known as the ah...cofonefs bill. Each o

you have a report of thislon your desk. Would be glad to an wev

any queétion that you might have. Ah...t1Re differences have

been resolved with the a1A . . . Senate . . . . ''


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103.

Gerald W. Shea: ''Ah...Ben. this is kind of a tricky amendment

and I wanted to compare it with the bill. Would you mind

holding this until the morning please?''

Ben C. Blades: ''No, not at a1l.''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Thank you very much.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Take that out of the record. On the

order of Conference Committee Reports appears House Bill 518.''

Frèdric B. Selcke: ''Representative Rayson.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Gentleman from cook, Rep.'--esentative

Rayson.''

land é. iayson: ''Mr. Speaker, and members of the House, the hLe

Conference Committee Report is on your desk and it ah...refl cts

the change in the Senate Amendment which had a flaw in it.

It removed from the Canabas Control Act a limited amount of

marjuana from the seiser of vessels and cars and airplançs

and boats. This was requested by pome of the Senators for

the fear that a kid might be smokin pot in the old mén's car

and the old.man's car would be seised forever. I move the

adopticn X the Conference Committee Report to House Bill 5l8 ''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there any discussion? Gentleman has

. moved the House to adopt Conference Committee Report relativa

to House Bill 518. All .in favor in the Conference Committee

Report adoption signify bg voting 'a#e' the opposed by voti g#

'no '. Have all voted who wish? Take the record. On this

qusstion l3ofayes' 2 'nays', and the Hpuse adopts the Confe enct

'Committee Report relaiive to House Bill 518. On the order o -J

concurrences appears House Bill 4445 for which the Gentleman

i;.ern. . ''G>,. , f rom McLean, Represenkative Ilall is recognized . ''rvJ% b--xeo c s x IT R A j

. A s s E M B L Y' . . . .j.j '. , . , . 4 kî ...

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104.

Harber H. Hal1:''Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House,

4445 is the Blood Labelling Bill. It was amended with qn

extensive amendment in the Senate that we antiaipated when i

was senk over there, but there's a mitnor technicality in the

ah..odescription of a certain type of blood. It needs to

go back over there. I move for non-concurrence on the

Senate amendment so we can wo'rk this outo''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Gentleman has moved the House to non

concurr with Senate Amendment no..l relative tc House Bill 4 45.

A1l in favor of non-concurrence signify by say'ing 'ayel, opp se:

'no'. and the House refused to concurr with Senate Amendment no.

to House Bill 4445. Senate Bill's second reading. Senate

Bill 1459.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1459. An act concerning the

powers of Corporations authorized to except and execute trus s

ansoforth. Second reading of the bill. No committee amend.en-u


The d reading. Senate Bill 841.1.

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 841. AN act in relation to

delinquent taxes. Second reading of the.bill. No committee

amendments.''


Third reading. Senate Bill 1505.

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1505. An act to amend Sections

1.105 and support the uniform commercial code. Second readi g

of the bill. One committee amendment. Amend Senate Bill 15 5

: on page 17 by deletsmg lines 30 and 31 and insertin in lieu* zi A è' 'zlj ,) . .:. ' : . . b . . <' q-v k r ' y G E N E R A L, A S S E M B L Y

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105.

thereof the bllowing; 'the subordinate for the right of

the buyer of the goods to thee-''


Burditt.''

George M. Burditt: ''AK...Mr. Spedk er, ladies and gentlemen of tae

House, Senate Bill 1505 is a very extensive amendment of the

uniform commercial code which incorporateà into the code

amendment to section 9 which is the section dealing with the

securitarian section. The amendment is an amendment which

was offered in committee which has the effect of giving addi ion

protection to bank ' s and automobile dealers in Illinois . An ï

I move the adoption of the amendment . ''.LRep. Arthur A . Telcser : '' s there any discussion? Gentleman

from ccok, Representativp Maragosa''

samuel C. Maragos: ''Representative Burditt, I'd like 'you to giva

me a little more information on what this amendment does

exactly. Because I did not get the full impact of what you

Said . ''

George M. Burditt: ''l was afraid you'd ask that, Sah. Ah...its

a committee amendment which was offered at the request of th.

Automobile dealers and the Illinois Bankers Association and

I opposed the amendment in committee. At the present time t erca

are seven states which do not give a title to an automobilee

when you buy an automobile. There are four state in New Eng anc

and Three Southern States. If somebody buys a car in Montpi ier

Vermont, and brings it to Illinois h.aving borrowed on the ca

in Montpilier, when they come to this state, theyive got to- - -

---'--7lV,..:r 'R''e.'', llave a title in order to get a licence , so they get an Illinois..' zz. '& t ., -) . . .

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106.

and it shows no liens on it because there's no liens recorde ,

its recorded but there's no title in Vermont when you bring

it here. The'result is that an automobile dealer cr an indi 'duz

or a banker who lends money on the car in Illinois has no wa

of knowing whether there's a foriegn lien on it without goin

back to Montepelier, Vermont and checking the records there.

Aho..the bill, as its written in the original form, the uni rm

bill provides protection for an individual who buys a car i

Illinois under those circumstances looking at the clean Illi ois

title because the individual doesn't really have any way of .

checking it without going back to montpelieryvermont andlllo inç

' at it. He may not even know'the car came from Vermont. ThIi rational oE the bill, however, is that a profess'ional buyer,,'

jlike an automobile dealer ought to know that the car came

from somewhere else and ougit to know that Vermont is a 'non

title State and therefore should. be on notice that he ought' to check further to see there is a foriegn lien on the c r.

so under the bill its written the Illinos purchaser who's a

individual buyer, like you or me, would be protected but th

automobile dealer would not be proteèted. The bill adds th t

protection for an Illinois dealer or a banker. A professio al

buyer in Illinois who really ought to be on notice because e

ah...has clues from which he can determine the ear came fro

another state. Ah...its a close question, in my opinion. as

to whether we ought to adopt this amendmnnt. The reason fo

not adopling it is that its non uniform. adcys one littl

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' w . H o tl G E o P' H f: P $4 E S E N 'r #. 'r I V C S? . . '.

107.

is that' it ah- - gives Illinois Automobile dealers and auto bi?

bankers protection against the foriegn lender in the state nic'.

has an archiac law and really does'n't have any reason to be

protected by Illinois law. As far as I'm concerned its abou:

50/50. As a matter of fact, one vote on the committee was 7to 7 on its adoption. But I think all things considered, at

least we could put the amendment on for the present time and

Howie Carroll. before you ask me a question, 1111 call it ba k

to second reading for further amendments if there are any.''

samuel Maragos: ''One more question, Mr. Speaker. Out of curi sit'

did you find out in your interrogation during the committee

hearings as to how the ah-o.creditors in vermont are affecte t

h i's a cre itcwhen they have no title with any showing that t ere

on record-''

George M. Burditt: ''Their protected by recording. If an automo ilt

dealer'or a bank lends on a car in Montpelierr Vermont or in

Charelotte, North carolina or wherever the southern states a e,

then they just simply take it down to the county recorders

office, in some states its done on a county basis, or a stat wicn

basis, or a municipal baais and they record it just as we do.

But the only difference is'that doesn't show up on a titl

policy. On a certificate of titlbm''

Samuel C. Maragos: ''Thank youo''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Gentleman from cook, Representative >) f.''

Brian B. Duff: ''Ah-- Representative Burditty is it not possible

for the automobile dealets and the bankers to protect themse ves

thrcugh the purchase of Chattel Mortgage Insurance?'

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108. .

George M. Burditt: ''I presume it is, sure.''

Brian B. Duff: ''In that event doesn't it seem like this wouldn't

be necessarya'''

bèorge M. Burditt: ''Well, Brian, as I said I voted against the

amendment in committee, but the committee was so split on it

we couldn't have gotten the bill out of committee without ex epi

ing the amendment. I don't feel real strong about this. I

presume you want to speak against the amendment ah..obe my

gnest.''

i Brian B. ouff: nwell, that an uneeessary presumption.''!

George M. Burditt: ''Thank you.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Now, is there further discussion? Gen ler.

has moved the adoption of amendment no. to Senate Bill 150 .

All in favor of the adoption signify by saying 'aye'w oppose

'no'. Amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments?

Third reading. Third reading. Messages from the Senate.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''A Message from the Senate by Mr. Wright, Se re-

tary. Mr. Speaker - I am directed to inform the House of

Representatives that the Senate 'has refused to recede from t eir

amendments no. 1 and 2 'to the bill with the following title;

. blouse Bill 3619. I am further dfrected to inform the House

of Representatives the Senate Requests a committae Conferenc

consists of five members of each house to consider the diffe enc

this action taken by the Senate Juhe 20. 1972. Kenneth Wrigàt.

Secretary.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Senate Bills second reading. Senate

Bi1l 'l573.n

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109.

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1573. Bill for an act to provi e

for t%e ordinary and contingent expenses of the Commission ..051

the Illinois Commission on Intergovernmental Cooperation.

Second reading of the bill. No committee amendments-''



Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1577. Bill for an act to.amend

the Cigarette Tax act. Second reading of the bill. No comm'ttc

amendments.''


Third reading. Senate Bill 1578.'1.

@ Fredric B. selcke: ''senate Bill 1578. Bill for an act to amend;

'

Ii the cigarette Use'. Tax Act. second reading of the bill.I


Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Are there amepdments from the flqor?


Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1579. Bill for an act to amend

the Cigarette Tax Act. Second reading of the bill. No comm'tte

amendments.''


. Third reading. Senate Bill 1580.,'1

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1580. Bill f9r an act to amend

the Cigarette Use Tax Act. Second reading of the bill. No

committee amendments-''

Rep. Arthur .A. Telcser: ''Are there amendments from the floor?

Third reading. On the Speaker's table appears House Resolut'on

34. For which purposé the gentleman from Peoria Ikepresenta Aw#

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110.

Wilbt-tr .i ,c.&'.î J?rbach : ''Mr . Speaker and members of the House ,'. .'-:.u' e wt, '-nt Resolution 34 was introduced to reconunend to the

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Governor and the Director of Agriculture to maintain the pre en'u

laboratory at Peoria. This resolution was passe

thz Ggriculture Committee 14 and up and last year. Since

the Peor.'.''. Area'has become 'hub' of activity in the movemen

of livestock through the local yards is felt by most of us

: .--..1-:1 1: tx-v' sa ..'t ye:- . that it would be a mistake to abandon thesej . . es . . .gj facilities aompletely. At the present time the Peoria Diagn st.n

Center emplayes some 14 personnel and the cost per rental isl .

only $9204 u year. A very small cost in relation tc the wort

performed at this laboratory. There is ample room for expan ion

to many times its present size. We have a labor supply avai ab'.'

1 if needed. And it provides inspecLiok'with additisnal personne

facilities close to a great many dairy, poultry and livestoc

raisers. However, it is the plans of the Department of Agri u'lQ

at the moment, that once new quarters are built at Kîwanee a d

upon its completion in about two years the Peoria Laboratory' will be disconstinued. In this discussing this with learned

men on the subject, I find that it makes good sense .to me

that we shou'ld establish, as we indicate in an amendment to

HJR 34 a syrtem of laboratories oè a lesser cost across the

State of Iqi.inoise to more adequatel'y serve Dairyepoultry. J

and livestozk areas. First of all we are not opposed to the

one that wi'1.l be built in Kiwanee, but we feel that less mon.y

' should be spent on thls operation and a portion of this cost

used to con'struct additional centers Pike, or BroNea count .

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which is almost equal in livestock producing as Henry County.

We further feel that one should be established in the Ngrthe.n

part of the state, possible near Rockford so that producers

from that area Can have service within the State cf Illinois

rather than take their problems to Wisconsin. This would gi e

us a fine system of one laboratory in Centralia that is alre dy

in existence, retain the one àt Peoria already established

and construct a new facility in Pike, or Brown county and

consiruct one in Henry County as proposed, but at a lesser

expense and construct one in the Northern part' of the state.

All of this would be backed up by facilities at the Universi y

of Illinois. This would make Illinois an ideal state in

relation to Diagnostic Services for cur Dairy, Poultry and

livestock producing industry and Mr..speaker, members of the

House I request ycur favorable response to this resolution

so that Illinois can maintain its status in this field of

' marketing.''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there any discusion? Gentleman has

moved that the House adopt House Joint Resolution 34.

in favor of the ado/tion signify by sayipg 'aye'. Opposed

'no'. The Resolution is adopted. On the Speaker's table

appears House Resolution 557. For which purpose the gentlem n1i from cook

, Representative Harold Washington, is recognized.''

H.A. Washington: ''Ah...Mr. Speaker, members of the Houxe House#

Resolution 557 simply urges the comprehenpive Hea1th Plannin

Review Agency to approve the application of the Prôblem in

hospitals for Federal T1l burden funds. Ah.- this resolutioA

,. .a;' ' .,;. passed the executive committee May 5 without opposition . Tlze.e al . . e:'u../ . .TM <; G E N E R A L A S S E 51 B L Y11 V - . $z.*,; Lk s v w v c ty g j uk.$ - cypsî

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112.

Governor of the State has indicated his support of Providing

fQr these federal funds/ I know of no opposition. I ask fo

your support-''

Re'p. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there any discussion? Gentleman

has moved that the House adopt House Resolution 557. A1l

in favor cf the adoption signify by saying 'aye'. Opposed

'no' the resolution is adopted. On the order of Senate#

'

Joint Resolutions appears Senate Joint Resolution 74. For

which purpose the gentleman from cook, Representative Moore

is reccgnized-n

Don Mocre: ''Thank you Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen of

the House, Senate Joint Resolution is a recommendation that

has come out of the Legislative Advisory Commission o n Publi

Aid. We are having problems in getting our Public Aid patie ts

out of Hospitals and into ah...nursing and convelescent'home .

Ah..owhat this resolution does. Mr. Speaker and members of t e

House, aho..it states that the state Housing Boayd may under

take studies to determine the desirability of extending by

legislation the powers oE the Housing Authorities to assist

private construction ahd development of nursing and convelescent.

' homes for the aged or other persons in need of medical or nu sir'

care or services. And they are to report back in January of

1973. I have discussed this resolution with the leadership n

b0th sides of the aisle and at this time I would like to ask

for unaéimous consent for the suspension of the appropriate

r'ules in the snunediate adoption of this resolution'. ''

Rep. Arthur A. Telcser: ''Is there any discussion? Gentleman fr m

.$r '*'.->v cook Representative Juckett . '', . .

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113.

Robert S. Juckett: ''Mr. Speaker, I think, is there some questio s

. evolving? My understanding is thRt he wants to suspendbthe

rule and have it heard immediately? Well, Mr. Speaker, r ha e

some questicns about it so...I think I'd have to object then

to the suspension and adoption.''

Don A. Moore: ''Well, ah..awhich do you want to take first, ah..

if there's any qùestions, finev''

Robert S. Juckett; '' What authority would the Housing Authorit

have for the building o/ these fatilities if they decide

to go ahead with them?''

Don A. Moore: ''They have no authority at this time, all this

resolution does is ask them to inquire into the feasibility

of perhaps recommending legislation in 1973, whereby they

could participate as of this point they have no authority

whatsoqver. And a11 this resolution does is ah-.-stae that

they may undertake studies to determine whether or not legis a-

tion would be desirable in order to assist in this construct'on.

Robert S. Juckett: ''And if they did hâve the authority what wou d

they be able to do under their current power?''i

Don A. Moore: ''If they did have the authrrify as I understand

it, ah....they presently can cooperate with authorized agenc es

to the federal government in the aid of the development of

Housing for the aged and in the need of those ah...low ineom

rent housing projects and so forth. Aln ..there is a, I beli -ve

a guarantee type set up that the state does ah...get into ah ..

Mnder the present housing authority.''

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114.

Ros-r. s. a--.-.s, ''o--'e .h-y...a--,. eu--- tys- -, ,--s1se:--,

the nnri !;v a'nd convelescent homes, don't they come under

like the Hill.Burden Act and other things where they can ge

'ihe 1ow inches o: money and the grants to build these faeil' ies

' Ijnow?

Don A. Moore: ''Not in the private sector.''

Pobnrt S. Juckyteq ''And what about Eugenia Chapman's bill where y

..: .ue would 6e (g.; vi )tg ah . . low cost interests f ree , or lower in res t:x

amounts to building of these kinds of facilities. Haven't e*. 1. '

. already done <t t) 6.r: act? ''

l A Moore: ''Apparëntly not, at least it wasn't Senator Groe 's' Don .

opinion that there was ah..-aufficient authority because th

housing, the.present housing act is limited as to wm t they can

go in to. And the one facit they cannot go into, as of this

point, is the nursing and convelescent homes. The private

sector of the nursing and convelescent hcmes field.''

Robert S. Juckett: ''We11, maybe this would enable the private

operators to be able to advance private enterprise, and may e

ïts a good idna, so maybe it would be a good idea to have a

study on it.,'

Rep. Arthur A. Tclcser: ''The gentleman has moved for the unani ous

consent. Are there any objections? Hearing none the gentle an

qhas moved that l'.lle House adopt Senate Joint Resolution 11.. .. , .

those in favot ?af the adoption signify by saying 'aye', opp sed'

'no'. The resolution is adopted. Agreed resolutions. Gen lema

f ront cook , RepA-esentative Hyde . '1

vnndric B. Seleke.. ''House Resolution 737, lM ff, House Resoluti,

N . .. zya . J-raz% . . .''' . .,

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115.I

738, Karmazyn.''

. Henry J. Hyde: ''Ah...Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentlemen of the

House, the agreed resolutions are as follows: 737 ah.o-wishes

every good wish to the people of Wilmette cn the happy cccas'or.

of the Centennial Celebration of that Village, September l9, 97''

House Resolution 738 congratulates Mr. And Mrs. Harry B. Stoner,

of Aurora on their successful journey through life ah...for

39 blissful years of marriage. Ah- .and I now move adoption

of the agreed resolutiohs.'' '

Rep. Arthur L. Telcser: ''Gentleman has moved the adoption of th

agreed resolutions. All those in fakor signify by saying 'a e',

opposed 'no'. And the resolutions are adopted. Further

Resolutions.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Ahe.-llouse Resolution 739, Berman.''

Rep. Arthu: A. Telcser: ''Gentleman from cook, Representative

Hyde @ ''

Henry J. Hyde: ''Mr. Speaker, ladies and gentleman of the House,

I now move that this house stand adjourned until the Hour of1 I !

I 11:00 a.m. tomorrow morning. Ii

''A1l those in favor'signify by. saying ' ye' iRep. Arthur A. Telcser: 1

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j' ' 1 A d the House Stands adjourned.l' !the opposed no . n

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