Basic & Original Thoughts

about Research

• Prof.Dr.R.R.Deshpande

Pune,India

Mobile – 0091- 922 68 10 630

Mail –mailme.drrrdeshpande@

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Review of Previous Thoughts of

Prof.Dr.R.R.Deshpande • There are many ‘Why’ ---

• Why Ayush,CCIM,MUHS – still not using e – Tecnology to keep records of colleges ?

• Why they ask the same Basic Information of colleges & Teachers everytime ?

• Why they like to make wastage of Papers ,Time & Energy --?

• Why they do not sit & talk with different groups of Teachers & discuss seriously in spite of Flying visit -- ? Why they can not make Visit in only college time only -- ?

• So there may be lot of Why -- & Why -- ?

Now -- New ,Bold Thoughts

• And now let us awake for understanding

the concept of Research ----

Research Tragedies --1

• After acquiring grants of crores ---

• 1) CCRAS ( Central council of Research in

Ayurveda & Siddha ) – Which are products

& where they are available ? –

Dr.RRD asked question to the secretary

Ayush around 7 years back at Sukhada

,Pune

Dr.Lavlekar admit the lacunae --

CCRAS

Research Tragedies --2

• 2) Tri skandh kosh of TMV

• 3) Ayursoft software of C – DAC

• Although ,principally they are Good Projects --

Whether post launch survey has made of the

market – How many people are using it on day

today basis & How much is the practical utility of

it ? –

• It is need of time to Publish this data statistically

with details of users --

Why there are Tragedies or

Failures or poor responses ? -1

• 1) Main reason is a Big Gap in between Stake

holders & Field workers –

• 2) Very seldom surveys are made to understand

the opinions or problems in the field –

• Example –In Teaching methodology – It is

taught about LCD presentation & Horizontal

,vertical Teaching – But nobody makes previous

study of how many Ayurvedic colleges have

LCD etc

Why there are Tragedies or

Failures or poor responses ? -2

• 3) Less access with stake holders –

• Why Ayush,CCIM,MUHS – can appoint few

PRO s to access every day mails & answer the

Teacher may be freshly appointed & may be

working at remote village of India ?

• All these institutes should have Call center like

facility 24 x 7 days,to answer questions from

field workers(Teachers,Practioners)

Why there are Tragedies or

Failures or poor responses ? -3

• 4) Fear in the minds of New comers or

Juniors to speak about existing system

• 5) Fear of the common people to comment

against the Traditional set ups –

Why there are Tragedies or

Failures or poor responses ? -4

• 6) Less openness of stalwarts –

Exceptions like R H Singh “ We do not

know methods – let Ayush should teach

us’ or Dr.Baghel ‘Ready to cooperate

ARDB’(Ayurved Research Data Base –

Project)

For success & satisfaction

in any Field

• 1) Aptitude – Natural Talent – Some leave

Biology & some leave Maths at 12th.

• 2) Attitude – Inclination–

• 3) Capabilities – Ability

• 4) Resource – means ( Instruments &

Funds)

Attitude & Aptitude

Attitude + Aptitude = Altitude

Research – What is it ?

• Research is a Aptitude ! (Natural Talent)

• Research is a Attitude ! (Inclination)

• Research is a full time Job & of course

paid Job --

These are Real Research Institutes

These are Real Research

Institutes • 1) Agharkar Institute ,Pune

• 2) National Chemical Laboratory ,Pune

• 3) Indian Institute of Tropical Meterology

• In all above Institutes those people only

join who have Attitude & Aptitude for

Research .They do full time Research

.They are paid for it .

Highly paid post --

• Research Fellows - Junior Scientist -

Senior Scientist -- Project co ordinator --

Principal Investigator (PI)

• All are expected to make Research

activities day in & day out – for which they

are highly paid ( & of course each one has

chosen that as a career)

Then what about Teachers ?

• Most of the Teachers have chosen the Job

or applied for the post of Teachers & not

for the post of Researcher or Scientist –

Am I right or wrong ?

• Researcher also should be born & can not

be made –

• In born qualities are more Important than

acquired by different Trainings --

In Implementation of any project

• Force is useless

• Guidelines & Directives can help if they

allow Spontaneousness

How Research takes place ?--1

• 1) Observational or Experienced based

Curiosity ( Dr.Barde J.K ,senior Teacher &

Physician gave me subject of Amrutadi

Guggul in RA,based on his successful

experiences )

• 2) Need or necessity ( Dr.Bavaskar ,who

found out drug for Scorpion bite &

Dr.Abhay Bang in Gadchiroli)

How Research takes place ?--2

• 3) Accidental ( Penicilin)

• 4) Intuition ( Neuton – Whether he had

decided Aim & Objectives ,Material &

Methods ? --)

Do like Reverse Pharmacology

• Survey of Senior Vaidyas or Doctors

• Find out Obsevational & Experienced

based Curiosity about successful

medicines

• Find out Need or necessity of Medical

Fraternity

Examples of Observational

Curiosity -- 1

• 1) Dr.Barde – Use of Amrutadi Guggul in RA

• 2) Dr.S.Y.Wagh – Effect of Arogyavardhini & Kumari asav in Viral Hepatitis A

• 3) Attitude – Dr.SY.Wagh – Use of Fresh Punarnava Decoction through RT in cerebral oedema due to CCF

Examples of Observational

Curiosity -- 1 • All examples given in this ppt presentation

can be discussed in detail with interested

person by just calling

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Examples of Observational

Curiosity -- 2

• 4) Need of Clarification – Use of Virechana

in Infective Hepatitis A in first week

• 5) Need of Clarification – Time to give

Virechana medicines – Early in the

morning or at 10.30 AM

Examples of Observational

Curiosity -- 3

• 5) Academic curiosity – Arises while Teaching the Topics -- Taila bindu – Bad prognosis in Terminal stages of HIV or Cancer

• 6) Observational & Academic Curiosity – Use of Satapa Kadha(Decoction) & Krumimudgara rasa – in Amoebiasis to check stool for E.h

Why these Examples ?

• This type of information should be sought

& implemented

as mentioned from the next slide ---

Steps of Implementations --1

• Epidemiological study or survey

• should made from nook & corner of India

by Ayush or CCIM or MUHS

Steps of Implementations --2

• Data base should be made of

• 1)successful medicines or Treatments of successful Ayurvedic Practioners ( Claims of Dr.Ramdas Avad in Panchakarma Book,Successful formulae from Vaidyas like Y.G.Joshi,Nanal,Jamadagni,Gadgil,

Velankar,Pavaskar,Milind Kulkarni etc -- ) – There are many success stories with many vaidyas .

Steps of Implementations --3

• Data base should me made of

Curiosities or practical difficulties of

Ayurvedic Teachers ,Drug manufacturers

or any body concern with Human Health

Note the problems like Ban

Plants(Puskarmul) or unavailable plants

(Dashamul) & alternatives supplied by

shopkeepers -- Identification

Steps of Implementations --4

• Note the simple problems like –

• We used to give lectures on Daily

Regimen --- How far we collect the data

after using Rasanjan or Surma -- ??

Steps of Implementations -- 5

• 1) Apex body of Expert practioners &

Academicians & Educationalist –

should make a check list of possible

research topics .

Steps of Implementations -- 6

• 2) Team of Technical experts like Ethical

committee or experienced & Interested

scientists should prepare ---

The Research Project in detail including

Title,Aim & Objectives ,Material & methods

etc

Steps of Implementations --7

• 3) This ready made check list of Research

Projects will be displayed on web site of

MUHS –

MD students & colleges will select projects

as per their interests & resources available

at their places

Steps of Implementations --8

• 4) MD students will under take that

Research Projects

• 5) PG Teachers will only supervise these

projects

What is Today’s situation ? --1

• 1) Anybody – student or Teacher –

Haphazardly decide any topic – make his

ideas ,imaginations – lot of

objections,critics ,many anti questions

without any solutions – frustrations to

students & Teachers – or False Victory or

false failures

What is Today’s situation ? --2

• 2) Lot of Duplications

• 3) Most of the research projects end at the

level of Thesis – Scarcely any research is

implemented in day today medical practice

What is Today’s situation ? --3

• 4) Any research work should be ‘Practically useful’(Lokabhimukh or Doctorabhimukh)

• 5) Even periodically Research should be made to evaluate the Utility of completed Researches

I am fortunate -- 1

• 1) After my 1st MD in Chikitsa – Amrutadi

Guggul in RA – Ayurved Rasashala

started manufacturing & selling Amrutadi

Guggul

• 2) After my 2nd MD in Kriya – MUHS

Journal added Step Test in the Practical of

Bala Parikshan

I am fortunate -- 2

• 3) After my Integrated Research work with

Sharangdhar & Diabetic Association of

India –

I understand the effect of Tab DBT in DM

& then I am using right now for my father –

I am fortunate -- 3

• Scientific & sincere Activities & clarification

of thoughts in the field of Research was

appreciated by ---

Khadivale Vaidya Sansthan by giving me

M.V Kolhatkar Sanshodhan Puraskar --

Appreciations --

Effect of Improper Implimentation-1

• Confusions in the working methods of IEC

• 1) Role of Ethical committee members is

not crystal clear many times

• 2) As per my personal opinion –

• Subject expert may only comment on

Title,Material & methods

• Statistician may tell correct Test for that

project

Effect of Improper Implimentation-2

• Other members like Advocate ,Society member can only see weather legally or otherwise Research is making any harm to Enviornment or society

• Chairman can only try to coordinate opinions of all members

But what happens in IEC --

• Any body stands up & challenge the Topic

• Other stands up & take objection on

number of volunteers or method

• Everybody has his own idea about the

same Research Project

• Very seldom anybody wants to respect the

view’s of student’s or Guide

Many Thanks for

your valuable Time --1

• My Presentation is not for debate or

challenge to any particular person

• This presentation is Natural Expression

from my Heart –

• This is a matter to be think about –

• This is a matter if agree about ,to be

spread all around

Many Thanks for

your valuable Time --2

• This is a matter for Managerial people ,if

agree about – to put forth at stake holder’s

meeting for consensus

• And this is ,if not acceptable –

Then for Forget & Forgive to

Prof.Dr.R.R.Deshpande

• Thanks & OM Shanti !!!

One last Request --

• Let us make some time to allow me to

read interesting atticles about Dr.Abhay

Bang & Dr.Baviskar ---

• No --- No ,not now --- may be some time in

future --- Thanks !!

KEEP SMILING

Smiling is

Infectious,

You can catch it

like the flu …

Someone smiled at

me today,

And I started

smiling too !!!

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• Prof.Dr.R.R.Deshpande

Pune,India

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