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CAPTIONINGJULY 26, 2013

CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE

***This is not an official, verbatim transcript of the ***following meeting. It should be used for informational ***purposes only. This document has not been edited; ***therefore, there may be additions, deletions, or words ***that did not translate.

>>JAY VICKERS: GOOD MORNING, AND WELCOME TO THE FRIDAY,

JULY 26th, CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE MEETING.

WE'LL START OFF FIRST WITH THE PLEDGE.

KAY, WOULD YOU PLEASE LEAD US.

>>KAY DOUGHTY: CERTAINLY.

[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]

>>JAY VICKERS: THANK YOU.

NEXT, BARBARA, WOULD YOU PLEASE EXPLAIN THE PURPOSE OF THE

CAC.

>>BARBARA ADERHOLD: CERTAINLY.

THE PURPOSE AND SCOPE OF THE ACTIVITIES OF THIS COMMITTEE

SHALL BE TO REVIEW AND EVALUATE COUNTY ISSUES AS REQUESTED

BY THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OR BY THE COUNTY

COMMISSIONER AND TO INITIATE PROPOSALS AND FORWARD THEM TO

THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AS RECOMMENDATIONS FOR

ACTION.

>>JAY VICKERS: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT UP, IF WE COULD PLEASE GO AROUND THE ROOM AND EACH

PERSON INTRODUCE YOURSELVES AND WHICH COMMISSIONER APPOINTED

YOU.

LET ME START OVER HERE TO MY RIGHT WITH RON.

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>>RON GOVIN: RON GOVIN --

>>JAY VICKERS: MICROPHONE.

>>RON GOVIN: RON GOVIN, VICTOR CRIST.

>>TONY JACKSON: TONY JACKSON, AL HIGGINBOTHAM.

>>CRISTAN FADAL: CRISTAN FADAL, COMMISSIONER SANDY MURMAN.

>>JAY VICKERS: JAY VICKERS, COMMISSIONER KEN HAGAN.

>>BARBARA ADERHOLD: BARBARA ADERHOLD, COMMISSIONER KEVIN

BECKNER.

>>DEBORAH COPE: DEBORAH COPE, COMMISSIONER KEVIN BECKNER.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: OOPS.

GOOD MORNING.

GAYE TOWNSEND, COMMISSIONER MARK SHARPE.

>>KAY DOUGHTY: KAY DOUGHTY, COMMISSIONER MARK SHARPE.

>>LINDA PORTER: LINDA PORTER, COMMISSIONER LES MILLER.

>>JAY VICKERS: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

NEXT UP IS PUBLIC COMMENT.

I DON'T SEE ANYONE HERE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, SO THE NEXT ITEM

WOULD BE THE REVIEW OF THE JUNE 28th MEETING RECAP.

THAT SHOULD BE IN YOUR BINDER UNDER THE RECAPS TAB.

IT SHOULD BE THE FIRST PAGE UNDER THE RECAP, SO IF WE COULD

JUST TAKE A FEW MOMENTS TO REVIEW THE RECAP, AND IF WE CAN

GET A FIRST AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL.

>>DEBORAH COPE: MOVE TO APPROVE.

>>KAY DOUGHTY: SECOND.

>>JAY VICKERS: I'LL GIVE A SECOND TO LOOK THROUGH IT.

ALL RIGHT.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR.

[CHORUS OF AYES]

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ALL RIGHT.

OKAY.

ONE THING I WANT TO DO BEFORE WE GET STARTED, LET'S SEE,

WITH MR. BARTON, IS I HAVE THE CONTACT INFORMATION LIST FOR

EACH OF THE CAC MEMBERS, AND WHAT I WANTED TO DO WAS PASS IT

AROUND AND HAVE EACH PERSON VERIFY THEIR INFORMATION IS

CORRECT.

BETH HAS BEEN GETTING A FEW BOUNCED E-MAILS WITH SOME OF THE

NOTICES SHE'S BEEN PUTTING OUT, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE

THAT EVERYONE REVIEWS THIS INFORMATION, CORRECT ANY -- MAKE

ANY NECESSARY CORRECTIONS, AND GET IT BACK TO BETH.

THANKS.

ALL RIGHT.

NEXT UP, MR. BARTON, IF YOU'RE READY A FEW MINUTES EARLY,

CERTAINLY WE ARE READY FOR YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

>>RON BARTON: GOOD MORNING.

THANK YOU.

GOOD MORNING.

I THINK IN THE MIDDLE OF MY PRESENTATION SOMEONE'S GOING TO

BRING ME ANOTHER SLIDE THAT I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU, SO

WE'LL JUST KIND OF DO THIS IN AN UNPOLISHED WAY, BUT, YOU

KNOW, I THINK -- THERE WERE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT WERE

POSED VIA E-MAIL.

ONE WAS SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE EDA TOPIC, THE ECONOMIC

DEVELOPMENT AREA TOPIC, AND I HAVE ACTUALLY FOUR SLIDES THAT

I SHARE -- HAVE SHARED WITH A NUMBER OF GROUPS, INCLUDING

THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS YESTERDAY IN THE BUDGET

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WORKSHOP, AND SO THESE SLIDES ACTUALLY MIGHT BE HELPFUL IN

ANSWERING SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS, NOT ALL, RELATED TO

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AREAS, SO IF -- IF YOU WOULD LIKE, I'LL

SHARE THOSE SLIDES AND WE CAN USE THAT AS A DISCUSSION

FORUM.

IS SOMEBODY GOING TO POP THAT ONE UP?

OKAY.

IT'S ACTUALLY FOUR SLIDES, AND I THINK PROBABLY I SHOULD

KIND OF TURN BACK TO THE PREVIOUS CHAPTER FOR THOSE THAT

HAVE NOT FOLLOWED IT AS MUCH, BUT TWO THINGS HAVE OCCURRED.

ABOUT PROBABLY TWO YEARS AGO NOW, THE PLANNING COMMISSION

DID SOME INITIAL WORK ON A CONCEPT CALLED ECONOMIC

DEVELOPMENT AREAS, AND IT WAS ABOUT RECOGNIZING THAT CERTAIN

GEOGRAPHIES IN OUR COMMUNITY WERE RELEVANT TO JOB CREATION,

AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A GOOD INITIAL STEP, BUT IT WAS JUST

AN INITIAL STEP, AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF FAST FORWARD TO LAST

YEAR, AND THERE WAS THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS' GROUP

DEALING WITH ECONOMIC PROSPERITY, AND IN THAT PROCESS, THE

COMMITTEE LOOKED -- AGAIN, LOOKED AT THE CONCEPT OF ECONOMIC

DEVELOPMENT AREAS, AND WITHOUT, OBVIOUSLY, SPENDING THE TIME

TO DEFINE THEM AND GET INTO THE DETAILS OF THEM, THEY

REAFFIRMED THE BASIC CONCEPT THAT WE SHOULD MORE EFFECTIVELY

USE GEOGRAPHIC AREAS OF OUR COMMUNITY FOR COMPETITIVE

POSITIONING OF -- OF JOBS AND CERTAINLY HIGH-QUALITY, HIGH-

PAYING JOBS.

SO, YOU KNOW, THAT LEADS US KIND OF TO OUR POSITION TODAY,

WHICH IS TRYING TO PUT THE DETAILS AROUND WHAT SEEMS TO MAKE

SENSE CONCEPTUALLY, AND SO WHAT I FOUND AS I KIND OF WENT

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BACK AND LOOKED AT THE TRANSCRIPTS OF ECONOMIC PROSPERITY,

WHICH IT WASN'T THEIR PURPOSE TO FIGURE OUT THE DETAILS, AND

EVEN THE INITIAL PLANNING COMMISSION STUDY, THERE REALLY

WASN'T A FUNDAMENTAL FIRST STEP, WHICH IS WHAT'S THE ANIMAL

AND WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH?

I MEAN, I READ THE PLANNING COMMISSION REPORT NUMEROUS

TIMES, AND IT REALLY -- THE PREMISE FOR THE LAUNCH REALLY

WASN'T THERE.

IT'S NO CRITICISM, IT'S JUST -- AND SO I FOUND SOMETIMES IN

THE MIDDLE OF ACTIVITY, IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMIND YOURSELF

WHY ARE WE DOING SOMETHING, AND SO I FELT LIKE THIS WAS

PROBABLY A GOOD FRAMEWORK.

SO THESE SLIDES AREN'T ABOUT THE ANSWER, THEY'RE ABOUT THE

FRAMEWORK, AND IF THE FRAMEWORK'S SOUND, THEN HOPEFULLY WE

LAUNCH OFF AT LEAST IN THE RIGHT COMPASS DIRECTION, AND SO

THAT'S THE PURPOSE.

SO WHY DO AN EDA?

THE FIRST ONE IS THE PURPOSE IS TO INFLUENCE BUSINESS AND

JOB CREATION DECISIONS MADE BY THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO CREATE

MORE HIGHER-WAGE JOBS AND TO ATTRACT MORE TARGETED INDUSTRY

BUSINESSES, SO THIS ISN'T ABOUT EVERY PIECE OF OUR ECONOMY,

IT'S ABOUT A VERY SPECIFIC PIECE OF OUR ECONOMY, AND SO

THAT'S -- THAT'S WHY WE MIGHT -- MIGHT DO AN EDA IS TO

INFLUENCE WHAT?

A DECISION BY A BUSINESS TO CREATE QUALITY JOBS.

SO THAT'S THE FIRST PREMISE.

AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS -- YOU KNOW -- AM I WORKING

BACKWARDS?

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I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.

ALL RIGHT.

THEY ARE BACKWARDS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENED.

ALL RIGHT.

BEAR WITH ME A SECOND.

>> IT'S THE FULL POWERPOINT.

>>RON BARTON: ALL RIGHT.

I THINK SOMEBODY DOWNSTAIRS IS MAKING SURE I'M AWAKE TODAY

BECAUSE I'M, LIKE, THAT'S NOT RIGHT.

SO HOW WOULD YOU DEFINE EDAs; RIGHT?

SO I THINK THERE'S AN IMPORTANT CONCEPT TO REMEMBER IN THIS

CONVERSATION AS WE GO INTO IT, AND I THINK THERE'S A SHORT-

TERM STRATEGY AND THERE'S A LONG-TERM STRATEGY BECAUSE VERY

QUICKLY -- AND WE SAW THIS EVEN IN ECONOMIC PROSPERITY --

EVEN IN THE CONCEPT OF AN EDA THERE WAS, YOU KNOW -- I THINK

THERE WASN'T AN APPRECIATION THAT THERE'S TODAY AND THERE'S

THE FUTURE AND THEY'RE NOT ALL ON THE SAME CONTINUUM, AND

SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET INTO DEFINING EDAs, I THINK IT'S

IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THERE'S A SHORT-TERM AND A LONG-TERM

ASPECT.

THE SHORT-TERM IS, AS I'VE SAID HERE, GEOGRAPHIC PLACES THAT

THE PRIVATE MARKETPLACE HAS ALREADY INDICATED ARE RELEVANT

TO THEIR LOCATION DECISIONS, SO THESE ARE -- THESE ARE IN

PLAY TODAY.

THEY'RE SELF-EVIDENT TO US.

THE DATA WILL BEAR ITSELF OUT.

THEY ARE RELEVANT TO JOB DECISIONS BY BRISTOL-MYERS SQUIBB,

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WHICH YOU SAW ANNOUNCED, AND OTHERS, BUT THERE'S ALSO A

LONG-TERM STRATEGY, AND THAT'S ABOUT HOW WE USE THE REST OF

OUR COMMUNITY IN THE FUTURE THAT ISN'T NECESSARILY

POSITIONED OR RELEVANT TO A JOB LOCATION DECISION TODAY

BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO GROW, AND SO IT'S PLACES

THAT IN THE LONG-TERM CAN FIT THOSE SAME ATTRIBUTES.

WHAT ARE THOSE ATTRIBUTES?

IT'S WHAT THE PRIVATE SECTOR IS INTERESTED IN.

AND BY PROACTIVE EFFORTS, NOT REACTIVE EFFORTS BUT PROACTIVE

EFFORTS, WE CREATE DEVELOPMENT CONDITIONS AND SITE LOCATION

CONDITIONS THAT SERVE TO ESTABLISH THESE NEW AREAS AS VIABLE

AND COMPETITIVE JOB CENTERS.

WE CAN EITHER DO TWO THINGS.

WE CAN EITHER BE RANDOM ABOUT IT, AND -- WHICH IS REALLY THE

REAL ESTATE MODEL.

I MEAN, MY BACKGROUND'S REAL ESTATE, SO THE REAL ESTATE

MODEL AND THE PLANNING MODEL HISTORICALLY HAVE BEEN LET A

DEAL COME TO YOU.

YES, WE HAVE ZONING; YES, WE HAVE LAND USE, BUT THERE'S A

RANDOMNESS TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN USE OF LAND; RIGHT?

IT'S PREDICATED ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY USER.

I WANT TO BUILD AN OFFICE BUILDING.

GREAT.

WE'VE GOT INVENTORY; RIGHT?

NOW WE CAN PUT SOMETHING IN IT.

WHERE IS THAT OFFICE BUILDING GOING TO BE?

AND, AGAIN, LAND USE AND ZONING INFLUENCE SOME OF IT BUT NOT

ALL OF IT.

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YOU STILL HAVE THE PRIVATE PROPERTY INTERESTS.

AND SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS PROACTIVELY INFLUENCE

WHERE THOSE NEXT CENTERS MIGHT BE, BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE

MORE, AND SO THAT'S THE SHORT-TERM AND LONG-TERM STRATEGY.

>> I HAVE THE FULL POWERPOINT.

>>RON BARTON: YOU WANT DO THAT?

OKAY.

CAN YOU GET -- INTERMISSION.

I ACTUALLY JUST HAD ONE OTHER SLIDE I WANTED TO ADD, SO --

WHILE WE LOAD THAT UP, I'LL JUST SHARE THAT WE HAD AN

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT --

>> HERE, USE YOUR MIKE.

>>RON BARTON: -- WORKSHOP -- WE HAD AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT

WORKSHOP WITH THE BOARD YESTERDAY, AND ACTUALLY, THESE

SLIDES WERE PART OF MY PRESENTATION, SO I THOUGHT IT WOULD

BE TIMELY TO SHARE THOSE WITH YOU, AND WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT

YESTERDAY WAS THE EDAs BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF

CONVERSATION ABOUT THEM BUT THERE'S NO FRAMEWORK ASSOCIATED

WITH IT, AND, NO, WE DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS, BUT WE THINK

YOU OUGHT TO HAVE A FRAMEWORK FIRST BEFORE YOU LAUNCH INTO

THE ANSWERS.

SOMETHING I DIDN'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME WITH THEM YESTERDAY,

I'LL BE HAPPY TO DO IT WITH YOU TODAY, WE CAN EITHER

APPROACH EDAs FROM 100,000 FEET AND DOWN OR WE CAN APPROACH

EDAs FROM THE GROUND LEVEL AND UP.

MY RECOMMENDATION AND THE APPROACH THAT WE ARE TAKING IS

THAT WE'RE GOING TO APPROACH THOSE FROM THE GROUND UP, AND

WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS IT'S NOT DRAW A BOUNDARY, DECIDE WHAT

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YOUR TOOLS ARE, THIS IS ABOUT FIND EVERY COMPETITIVE SITE

THAT CAN MATERIALLY CHANGE OUR POSITION FOR ATTRACTING HIGH-

WAGE JOBS AND ANALYZE THEM.

SO WHAT WE WANT TO KNOW IS -- I'VE SAID THIS TO THE BOARD

MANY TIMES.

WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO DO -- AND THIS ISN'T BIG BROTHER

COMING TO THE PRIVATE SECTOR, THIS IS HAND IN HAND.

WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS MANAGE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY LIKE A REAL

ESTATE REIT.

WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND THOSE REAL ESTATE ASSETS THAT CAN

REDEFINE US.

IF IT BENEFITS THAT PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER, THAT'S GREAT,

BUT IF THERE'S A PUBLIC PURPOSE THAT CAN COME OUT OF THAT

ORCHESTRATION, ISN'T THAT BETTER ECONOMIC PLANNING?

AND SO THE PURPOSE IS TO TRY AND MANAGE THOSE KEY SITES AND

BRING THEM TO THE MARKETPLACE MORE COMPETITIVELY.

THAT'S WHAT I MEAN BY THE RANDOMNESS.

OUR SYSTEM SAYS, WELL, WE'LL WAIT UNTIL YOUR NEXT LAND USE

ATTORNEY SHOWS UP AND WE'LL ENGAGE, AND USUALLY WE FIND

SOMETHING GOOD OUT OF THAT PROCESS, BUT THAT'S NOT

PROACTIVE, THAT'S REACTIVE.

WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS -- MY ANALOGY IS WE WANT TO IDENTIFY

THE NEXT BEST 20 SITES IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY THAT WILL BE

RELEVANT TO THE BUSINESS SIDE, NOT RELEVANT TO US, RELEVANT

TO A BUSINESS, AND WHERE WE CAN PUT HIGH-QUALITY JOBS THERE

AND WE CAN EXPEDITE THAT.

THE DILEMMA IS AS AN URBAN COUNTY, WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO

COMPETE ON -- ON PRICE.

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WE WILL BE OUTPRICED.

PASCO'S CHEAPER, POLK IS CHEAPER.

NOW, THIS ISN'T ABOUT US AND THEM, IT'S A POINT OF

COMPETITIVENESS, AND SO WE CAN EITHER TAKE THINGS THAT

POSITION US BETTER OR WE DON'T, AND THERE WILL BE

REPERCUSSIONS FOR IT.

SO -- ALL RIGHT.

BACK ON TRACK HERE.

SO WE -- WE HAD KIND OF THE EDA CONCEPT, AND -- SO MY NEXT

SLIDE IS -- AND, AGAIN, THESE AREN'T THE ANSWERS, AGAIN,

IT'S THE FRAMEWORK -- HOW DO YOU ENABLE AN EDA BECAUSE YOU

CAN JUST DRAW A BOUNDARY, IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING, SO HOW

ARE YOU TRYING TO ENABLE IT?

AND SO HERE IT'S BY A SET OF POLICIES AND TOOLKIT THAT SPEAK

TO VALUE CREATION.

WE TALKED ABOUT THIS IN PROSPERITY COMMITTEE A LOT, WHICH IS

WE CAN'T COMPETE ON PRICE.

WE'VE GOT TO START CREATING VALUE, AND SO MY ANALOGY WAS

NONE OF US DRIVE THE SAME CAR, RIGHT, SO YOU MAKE A VALUE

DECISION WHEN YOU BUY A CAR.

YOU MIGHT BUY AN EXPENSIVE ONE, YOU MIGHT BY AN INEXPENSIVE

ONE, YOU MIGHT BUY ONE WITH GAS MILEAGE, NO GAS MILEAGE, BUT

WE ALL MAKE A VALUE DECISION ABOUT WHAT WE DO.

WE DON'T DRIVE THE SAME CARS AND WE DON'T BUY THE SAME CAR

AT THE SAME PRICE POINT, SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING

TO DO IS TRY TO CREATE A VALUE EQUATION FOR HILLSBOROUGH

COUNTY THAT STILL MAKES US RELEVANT TO BUSINESSES.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE UNIQUE TO THE EDAs.

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I WILL SAY THIS.

IT'S NOT A COOKIE-CUTTER, SO WE DON'T JUST SAY, OKAY, HERE'S

THE FIVE TOOLS WE'RE GOING TO USE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT

RELEVANT.

REMEMBER, HOW WE'RE GOING TO START IS AT EACH SITE, SO ONE

SITE MIGHT HAVE A ROAD PROBLEM, ONE SITE MIGHT HAVE AN

ENVIRONMENTAL PERMITTING PROBLEM, ONE SITE MAY HAVE NO

PROBLEM AT ALL, IT'S JUST READY TO GO, AND SO YOU WOULDN'T

WANT TO JUST SAY, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO APPLY ALL TOOLS TO

ALL SITES BECAUSE IT'S NOT RELEVANT.

SO I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT ABOUT THIS IS THAT WE'RE GOING

TO BE INDIVIDUALIZED.

NOW, THAT ANSWER WILL BEGIN TO GIVE YOU AN OVERARCHING

POLICY, AN OVERARCHING TOOLKIT BECAUSE THERE ARE GOING TO BE

COMMONALITIES.

WE WANT TO -- AS I'VE ALREADY SAID IN MY INTERMISSION --

THAT'S WHY I WAS KILLING TIME -- THIS IS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT-

READY SITES, THIS IS ABOUT BEING READY, BECAUSE THE DAYS IN

WHICH BUSINESSES WOULD SAY I WANT TO GROW -- THIS COULD BE

AN EXISTING BUSINESS HERE OR A NEW BUSINESS COMING HERE, IT

DOESN'T MATTER WHICH.

THE DAYS OF THEM SAYING, OH, WELL, I'LL TAKE A COUPLE YEARS

TO FIGURE THIS OUT ARE GONE.

THEY JUST DON'T -- THEY DON'T WORK THAT WAY ANYMORE, AND SO

THAT'S WHAT THIS REALLY IS ABOUT IS POSITIONING A PIECE OF

LAND TO ACCOMPLISH A PUBLIC POLICY OBJECTIVE.

IT'S ABOUT TRYING TO ADDRESS COMPETITIVE DISADVANTAGES FOR

THOSE SITES AND ENHANCING THEIR COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGES.

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IT'S ABOUT BUILDING DENSITY.

THIS IS SOMETHING WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT WITH IN THE

ECONOMIC PROSPERITY COMMITTEE IS THAT IN MY MIND, THIS --

THIS APPROACH IS ABOUT EVENTUALLY REDEVELOPMENT AS WELL, AND

SO IT'S ABOUT BASICALLY LEVERAGING INFRASTRUCTURE

INVESTMENTS WE'VE ALREADY MADE.

IT'S ANTI-SPRAWL IN ITS CONCEPT, AND SO THOSE ARE THE

ENABLING CONVERSATIONS WE THINK ARE RELEVANT TO THAT.

AND THEN WORKING BACKWARDS, WHAT IS THIS ALL ABOUT?

SO I LIKE TO ALWAYS HAVE A SLIDE THAT JUST SAYS, YOU KNOW,

WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE, OKAY.

WELL, YOU KNOW, I THINK FIRST AND FOREMOST, THIS IS ABOUT

ECONOMIC PLANNING, NOT LAND USE PLANNING.

USE OF LAND WILL BE A BYPRODUCT OF IT, BUT IT'S ABOUT YOUR

MIND-SET GOING INTO IT, OKAY.

THE SECOND ONE'S VERY IMPORTANT.

IT'S ABOUT FACILITATING DESIRED OUTCOMES, NOT REGULATING

INCOMPATIBILITY.

AGAIN, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LAND USE PLANNING AND ECONOMIC

PLANNING.

NOW, THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU STILL DON'T WANT TO REFLECT YOUR

VALUES, THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING, BUT THERE'S A CENTRIC

METHOD TO WHAT YOU'RE APPROACHING.

IT'S ABOUT VALUE CREATION.

WE TALKED ABOUT THAT.

IT'S ABOUT BUILDING STRONG BUSINESS INTELLIGENCE.

IRONICALLY, WE STILL DON'T KNOW VERY MUCH ABOUT OUR

COMMUNITY.

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YES, WE HAVE BROKER DATABASES THAT THE PRIVATE SECTOR

POPULATES, AND IT SAYS, HEY, I HAVE A PIECE OF LAND, HOPE WE

CAN FIND SOME USE TO IT, BUT THERE'S NO COMPREHENSIVE

HOLISTIC APPROACH TO WORKING WITH THE PRIVATE SECTOR TO

POSITION THESE THINGS FOR ECONOMIC GAIN, NOT GAIN FOR THEM,

GAIN FOR US.

AND SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT, THAT THIRD FROM THE LAST

BULLET, HOLISTIC ASSET MANAGEMENT OF MAJOR VALUE CREATORS IN

OUR COMMUNITY.

AND IT'S ABOUT ENHANCING MARKETING.

IF YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOURSELF, HOW CAN YOU MARKET

YOURSELF, OKAY.

AND, AGAIN, IT'S ABOUT DEVELOPMENT PLANNING FOCUSED ON JOB

OUTCOMES, SO IT CAN BE MEASURED.

YOU CAN WAKE UP FIVE YEARS FROM NOW AND SAY IT WAS A

SUCCESS, IT WAS A FAILURE, IT WAS A PARTIAL SUCCESS, BUT,

YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE BASED VERY SPECIFIC TO

SITES AND THEN BUILT UP, I THINK IT'S VERY MEASURABLE.

SO THAT -- I'M GOING TO STOP THERE FOR A SECOND, AND I'M

GOING TO ALSO, IF I COULD, ASK SOMEBODY TO JUST LEAVE THIS

SLIDE UP, AND THEN -- IT MIGHT BE -- IT MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE

TO MAYBE BREAK HERE, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EDA, AND

THEN THE REASON I WANTED TO USE THIS SLIDE IS THERE WAS A

SECOND QUESTION ABOUT OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY,

SMALL BUSINESS, EXISTING BUSINESSES.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT AS WELL.

THIS SLIDE'S GOOD FOR THAT, SO IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL TO JUST

STOP AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE EDA CONVERSATION.

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>>JAY VICKERS: SPENCER.

>>SPENCER KASS: HELLO.

I KNOW YOU ALL --

>>VICTOR CRIST: GOOD MORNING.

>>SPENCER KASS: -- YOU ALL MISSED ME THIS MORNING.

>>JAY VICKERS: YES, WE DID.

>>SPENCER KASS: GOOD MORNING.

I APOLOGIZE.

I APOLOGIZE.

I WAS DOING OUR SECRET SHOPPER PROGRAM IN ANOTHER

DEPARTMENT.

[LAUGHTER]

BUT -- GOOD MORNING, FIRST OF ALL.

>>RON BARTON: GOOD MORNING.

>>SPENCER KASS: I GUESS MY FIRST QUESTION WOULD BE -- AS

YOU SAID, YOU'RE NOT FOCUSING ON WHAT THE BENEFIT IS TO

THESE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS FOR THESE PROPERTIES YOU

IDENTIFY, BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION TO YOU IS YOU GO AND YOU

TAKE CARE OF WHATEVER THE ISSUES ARE THAT THESE PROPERTIES

WOULD HAVE, TRANSPORTATION, STORM -- WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO

BE AND WHATEVER THOSE SPECIFIC PROBLEMS.

IN YOUR MIND, WHAT'S STOPPING NOW THE PROPERTY OWNER FROM

SAYING, WELL, BEFORE I HAD A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND IT HAD

SOME PROBLEMS, AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT WAS WORTH TEN BUCKS A

SQUARE FOOT, AND NOW LOOK, I'VE GOT A PIECE OF PROPERTY WITH

NO PROBLEMS, NOW IT'S WORTH 20 BUCKS A SQUARE FOOT, RIGHT,

BECAUSE THE COUNTY'S TAKING CARE OF MY PROBLEMS FOR ME.

>>RON BARTON: RIGHT.

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>>SPENCER KASS: SO NOW WHAT YOU'VE DONE IS JUST

INCREASED -- YOU KNOW, BASICALLY YOU'VE NETTED THE MONEY TO

THE PRIVATE GUY, YOU HAVEN'T NECESSARILY DONE ANYTHING TO

MAKE THE BUSINESS WANT TO GO THERE ANYMORE, BECAUSE NOW THE

COSTS ARE JUST BEING PASSED ON IN A DIFFERENT WAY, SO IN

YOUR MIND WHAT'S SOLVING THAT ISSUE THAT YOU-ALL ARE

CREATING?

>>RON BARTON: WELL, I'M SOLVING THE REVERSE ISSUE, WHICH IS

HAVING THAT PIECE OF PRIME PROPERTY NOT ADDRESS THE CRITICAL

ASPECT OF COMPETITIVENESS MAY RESULT IN IT SITTING THERE FOR

ANOTHER DECADE DOING NOTHING FOR A PUBLIC POLICY OBJECTIVE,

SO MY DESIRE IS TO BRING QUALITY JOBS TO THESE CITIZENS OF

THIS COUNTY, AND IF THAT HAPPENS TO CREATE A NOMINAL BENEFIT

FOR A PROPERTY OWNER, I THINK THAT'S A FAIR TRADE TO

ENHANCING THE COMPETITIVENESS OF THAT POSITION, SO YOUR

QUESTION IS, GEE, COULD T. ROWE PRICE HAVE GONE TO PASCO

COUNTY OR HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY?

THE ANSWER IS YES.

THAT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF YOUR ANALOGY.

THERE ARE AMPLE SITES.

THEY DIDN'T.

THERE WERE SOME IMPEDIMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH A NUMBER OF

THOSE FACTORS, AND SO THEY MAKE THE DECISION TO GO TO PASCO

COUNTY.

I CAN ASSURE YOU A COUPLE OF THOSE ARE SPEED TO MARKET AND

THE REAL ESTATE DECISION ASSOCIATED WITH IT.

SO, I MEAN, YOU CAN EITHER CHOOSE TO IGNORE AND NOT ACT OR

YOU CAN CHOOSE TO ENGAGE AND INFLUENCE OUTCOME.

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THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.

>>SPENCER KASS: I GUESS, THOUGH, PART OF THIS GOES BACK TO

THE BASIC PREMISE OF ONE OF THE THINGS YOU SAID EARLIER,

WHICH IS THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO COMPETE

HOLISTICALLY AS A COUNTY AGAINST OTHER COUNTIES, THAT THEY

CAN DO IT CHEAPER, THEY CAN DO IT -- I MEAN, I GUESS FOR

ME --

>>RON BARTON: PRICEWISE.

>>SPENCER KASS: PRICEWISE.

I GUESS TO ME, AS NOT ONLY A PROPERTY OWNER BUT A BUSINESS

PERSON IN THIS COUNTY, THAT BOTHERS ME.

I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY THIS COUNTY CAN'T BE COMPETITIVE,

OTHER THAN WE CHOOSE NOT TO BE, WE WANT TO SPEND MONEY ON

ALL SORTS OF -- I REALLY DON'T GET WHY WE WOULDN'T SAY,

OKAY, THEY'RE BEATING US IN TERMS OF MILLAGE RATE OR THEY'RE

BEATING US IN TERMS OF ABILITY TO GET THROUGH THE PROCESS.

WE COULD PUT RESTRICTIONS -- I MEAN, THE COUNTY COULD PUT

RESTRICTIONS ON ITSELF.

IT COULD SAY YOU WILL REVIEW A SITE PLAN WITHIN SEVEN DAYS

AND GET IT DONE.

>>RON BARTON: RIGHT.

>>SPENCER KASS: WE COULD SAY WE'LL REVIEW IT WITHIN 24

HOURS AND GET IT DONE IF WE WANT TO BE GLOBALLY

COMPETITIVE --

>>RON BARTON: RIGHT.

>>SPENCER KASS: -- AS OPPOSED TO INDIVIDUALLY.

SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, HAS THE DECISION BEEN MADE BY

YOUR GROUP OR THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THAT THAT PART WE'RE

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JUST WIPING OUT, WE'RE SAYING, ALL RIGHT, LET'S NOT WORRY

ABOUT THAT COMPETITIVE ASPECT OF WHAT WE DO, BECAUSE I THINK

WHEN WE GET INTO OUR LATER DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT ARE WE

DOING FOR EXISTING BUSINESSES, WE'RE GOING TO -- WE CAN GO

THROUGH ENDLESS EXAMPLES OF PEOPLE HAVING A HARD TIME IN

THIS COUNTY.

BUT, I GUESS -- I MEAN, SHOULDN'T WE BE SAYING LET'S BE

GLOBALLY COMPETITIVE?

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PLACES IN THIS WORLD WHERE YOU

CAN GO AND YOU CAN GET A PERMIT IN 24 HOURS.

YOU CAN'T DO IT HERE, BUT, I MEAN -- AND THAT'S OUR FAULT.

LET'S BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT.

THAT'S NOT THE BUSINESS WHO'S COMING HERE'S FAULT, THAT'S

THIS COUNTY'S FAULT.

IF WE CAN'T DO THINGS AND WE CAN'T BE COMPETITIVE, THEN, I

MEAN, WE HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL, IN MY OPINION, DIFFERENT

PROBLEM THAN KIND OF WHERE -- LOOK, EVERYONE HERE --

EVERYBODY WANTS HIGH-PAYING, YOU KNOW, GREAT JOBS,

COMPUTER -- I COULD TELL YOU EAST TAMPA, THEY'VE BEEN

PROMISED COMPUTER PROGRAMMING JOBS FOR 20 YEARS; RIGHT.

THAT'S THE NEXT THING THAT'S GOING TO COME THERE.

I'VE SAT IN MEETING AND THEY'RE ALL EXCITED, OH, WE'RE GOING

TO GET THESE COMPUTER -- I MEAN, NOT ONLY ARE THEY NOT

COMING TO EAST TAMPA, THEY'RE NOT COMING TO THE UNITED

STATES ANYMORE, AND AS I'VE SAID TO PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THE

AREA I LIVE IN, IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO SOMEPLACE AND YOU'RE

GOING TO WANT THESE HIGH-PAYING, QUALITY JOBS, I -- AND MY

FAMILY'S BEEN IN REAL ESTATE FOR FOUR GENERATIONS.

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I'VE DONE THIS FOREVER -- WHY WOULDN'T YOU GO TO A PLACE

THAT ALREADY HAS ALL THE AMENITIES THAT YOUR HIGH-END

EMPLOYEES ARE GOING TO WANT; RIGHT?

YOU HAVE A HIGH-END EMPLOYEE.

THEY'RE GOING TO WANT THE RESTAURANTS AND THEY'RE GOING TO

WANT THE MUSEUMS AND THEY'RE GOING TO WANT ALL THE OTHER

STUFF THAT GOES ALONG WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT AREAS.

AND YOU'RE RIGHT, WE COULD DEAL WITH THESE ONE SHOT OFF, YOU

KNOW, GLOBAL COMPANIES THAT WE CAN GIVE ALL SORTS OF MONEY

TO AND THEY CAN GO IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE, AND THEN WE CAN

HEAR FROM EVERYBODY ABOUT HOW TRANSPORTATION DOESN'T WORK

AND WE HAVE TO BUILD A LIGHT RAIL SYSTEM AND WE HAVE TO

BUILD THIS AND WE HAVE TO BUILD THAT BECAUSE -- I MEAN, I --

SO I GUESS I'M JUST OVERALL CONFUSED WITH WHAT THE GAME

PLAN -- I MEAN, I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU'LL PICK 20

PROPERTIES, YOU'LL FIX WHATEVER PROBLEMS THEY HAVE,

YOU'LL -- YOU'LL, I GUESS, SUCK UP OR THE COUNTY WILL SUCK

UP THE COST OF GOING THROUGH WHATEVER THE REPAIR PROBLEMS

ARE TO MAKE THOSE COMPETITIVE SITES, I MEAN, IF I'M

FOLLOWING THIS CORRECTLY, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M

WRONG, AND THEN WE'LL MARKET THOSE SPECIFIC PROPERTIES, AND

WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE THE MARKETING, WE'RE GOING TO DO

EVERYTHING ELSE, AND ALL RIGHT, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME

GAIN TO SOME PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER AND THAT'S JUST FOR US

TO SUCK UP BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO GET SOME DEGREE OF

PROPERTY TAXES, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD, LIKE, WHAT THE

FORMULATION'S GOING TO BE ON, OH, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO

DEMAND THAT IT CREATE "X" NUMBER OF JOBS, YOU KNOW.

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I MEAN, WE HAD THIS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE LAST COUPLE OF GUYS,

AMAZON, AND WE'VE HAD THIS WITH BASS PRO SHOPS AND ALL THESE

GUYS, RIGHT, HOW MANY JOBS, WHAT'S THE SALARY RANGE GOING TO

BE.

I DIDN'T QUITE -- I MIGHT HAVE -- I MEAN, I KNOW THE SLIDES

ARE A LITTLE OUT OF ORDER.

DO WE HAVE A SLIDE THAT SAYS, LIKE, WE'RE GOING TO GUARANTEE

THAT IF WE DUMP $100,000 INTO FIXING A PIECE OF PROPERTY,

IT'S GOING TO GENERATE 50 JOBS AT 100,000 A JOB?

I MEAN -- GO AHEAD.

I'LL LET YOU SORT OF --

>>RON BARTON: I'VE KIND OF --

>>SPENCER KASS: -- RESPOND TO THE WRATH.

>>RON BARTON: -- FORGOTTEN YOUR QUESTION.

I'VE KIND OF FORGOTTEN YOUR QUESTION.

I THINK THAT WAS A STATEMENT MORE THAN A QUESTION --

>>SPENCER KASS: YEAH, WELL --

>>RON BARTON: BUT -- YOU DIDN'T CATCH ALL THE PRESENTATION

BECAUSE YOU WERE LATE, SO MAYBE I'LL --

>>SPENCER KASS: YEAH, GO AHEAD.

>>RON BARTON: -- BACK UP AND SAY THAT --

>>SPENCER KASS: ACTUALLY, YOUR PRESENTATION, JUST SO YOU

KNOW, I GOT THE WHOLE THING.

I WAS HERE FOR YOUR WHOLE THING.

>>RON BARTON: GOOD.

WHAT I STARTED WITH IS WE DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS YET.

>>SPENCER KASS: OKAY.

>>RON BARTON: THE POINT WAS IN THE PROCESS, YOU HAVE TO

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HAVE A FRAMEWORK IN ORDER TO POINT YOURSELF IN THE RIGHT

COMPASS DIRECTION, SO GOING BACK TO CONVERSATIONS THAT WERE

IN THE ECONOMIC PROSPERITY COMMITTEE AS WELL AS THE PLANNING

COMMISSION STUDY, THERE WASN'T A FRAMEWORK SET IN WHICH YOU

WERE TRYING TO DEFINE THE DIRECTION, NOT THE ANSWER, THE

DIRECTION, AND SO THESE FOUR SLIDES WERE AN ATTEMPT BY US TO

BEGIN TO PUT SOME BOOKENDS AROUND THE CONVERSATION OF

INTENT, OKAY.

IT'S NOT THE ANSWER.

WE'RE JUST NOW STARTING THE PROCESS.

SO I CAN'T ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WHICH IS WHAT IS IT GOING

TO BE?

WHAT WE DO KNOW IS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A CONCEPT THAT

IS MORE PROACTIVE THAN REACTIVE TO THE MARKETPLACE.

IT'S -- IT'S A PROCESS THAT RECOGNIZES THERE IS A PUBLIC

POLICY INTENT TO USE OF LAND, OTHERWISE THIS PLANNING

COMMISSION WOULDN'T EXIST.

THE POINT IS WE DO WANT TO VALUE HOW WE USE OUR LAND.

WHAT WE HAVE NEVER REALLY DONE VERY WELL IS VALUE HOW WE USE

LAND TO CREATE WEALTH FOR OUR CITIZENS, NOT OUR PROPERTY

OWNER BUT FOR OUR CITIZENS.

THERE'S NEVER BEEN ACCURATE ECONOMIC PLANNING LINKED WITH

LAND USE AND REAL ESTATE PLANNING AND KIND OF POINTING TO AN

OBJECTIVE, AND SO REALLY WHAT THESE FOUR SLIDES WERE MEANT

TO DO WAS TO AT LEAST BEGIN SHARING CONTEXT ASSOCIATED WITH

THE EDA EFFORT.

I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS, WE'RE ALL GOING TO SHARE IN THOSE

TOGETHER, AND SO I DON'T -- NO ONE'S JUMPED TO A CONCLUSION

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WE'RE SOLVING ANYBODY'S PROBLEM OR PAYING FOR ANYBODY'S

PROBLEM, BUT THERE'S A VALUE PROPOSITION IN ENGAGEMENT.

IF YOU OWN A HOUSE, YOU GET A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, SO THE

GOVERNMENT'S ENGAGED WITH YOU IN A PROPOSITION THAT SAYS, WE

WANT TO ENCOURAGE HOME OWNERSHIP, RIGHT, AND ONE OF THOSE

THINGS IS GOING TO BE YOU GET A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION.

SO, I MEAN, GOVERNMENT ENGAGES IN ALL KINDS OF EQUATIONS TO

DO WHAT?

HOPEFULLY A PURE AND VALUABLE PUBLIC POLICY OBJECTIVE THAT

YOU'RE SPEAKING TO.

SO --

>>SPENCER KASS: I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE, THOUGH --

LET'S USE YOUR HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION.

WE DON'T SAY WE'RE GOING TO GIVE A HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION OF

$200,000 TO THE PEOPLE IN EAST TAMPA BECAUSE THEY NEED MORE

ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND WE'RE GOING TO GIVE $20,000 TO THE

PEOPLE IN SOUTH TAMPA BECAUSE THEY NEED LESS, WHAT WE SAY IS

WE'RE GOING TO SET A POLICY FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT

SAYS EVERYBODY GETS A $50,000 HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM WHAT YOU CALL THE

100,000 SQUARE -- YOU KNOW, UP IN THE AIR AS OPPOSED TO THE

LOW LEVEL DOWN.

YOU KNOW, I THINK POLICIES TEND TO WORK BETTER AND I THINK

IT'S BEEN THIS COUNTY'S EXPERIENCE THAT THE MORE THE COUNTY

AND THE GOVERNMENT TRIES TO DIRECT WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO

GO AND HOW THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT AND WHERE THEY HAVE TO BE,

THE MORE PROBLEMS WE END UP HAVING AS OPPOSED TO, LISTEN, I

DECIDED WHERE MY BUSINESS IS GOING TO GO.

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HOW DID I MAKE THAT DECISION?

I BASED IT UPON WHAT IT WAS GOING TO COST ME TO BUY A

BUILDING, WHAT IT COST TO REHAB IT, HOW THAT LOCATION WORKED

FOR ME, HOW THAT WORKS FOR MY EMPLOYEES, AND THEN I MAKE A

DECISION.

I BUY A BUILDING.

I SPEND A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS.

GREAT.

WHAT WE'RE KIND OF SAYING IS WE'RE GOING TO PICK AND CHOOSE

THE -- AND WE'VE TRIED THIS BEFORE.

[MICROPHONE BUZZING]

WE'VE TRIED IT WITH -- IT'S NOT ME.

WE TRIED IT WHEN M2GEN CAME HERE, RIGHT, THAT WAS THE GREAT

PLAN.

WE WERE GOING TO GIVE THEM ALL -- AND LISTEN, THEY'RE A NICE

ORGANIZATION, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THAT WAS GOING TO CREATE

AN INDUSTRY, RIGHT, THAT'S WHAT WE WERE TOLD.

IT WAS GOING TO CREATE ALL THESE OTHER BUSINESSES THAT WERE

GOING TO OPEN UP AROUND THAT BUSINESS THAT WAS GOING TO GIVE

HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY A FOUNDATION IN, YOU KNOW, CURING CANCER

BECAUSE IT COULD ONLY COME FROM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, SO

THAT'S WHAT WE DID, AND THEN WHAT WE FOUND IS THEY OPENED UP

AND THEY'VE EXPANDED AND THEY'VE DONE WELL AND THEY HAVE

HIGH-PAID EMPLOYEES, BUT THE PROMISE OF THE REST OF IT NEVER

OCCURRED, AND I GUESS IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO LEARN FROM OUR

PAST MISTAKES AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO KEEP ON DOING SORT OF

THE SAME THING, I DON'T KNOW AT THE END OF THE DAY WHERE

THAT GETS US BECAUSE AS WE ALL KNOW, IT'S A LOT OF MONEY.

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AT THE END -- BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THIS IS GOING TO COME DOWN

TO, IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN TO HOW -- AND I DO ALSO WANT

TO -- SO MAYBE YOU CAN CLARIFY YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT AND HOW

WE WERE GOING TO -- HOW -- WHAT PART OF THE PLAN IS TO

CORRECT FOR THOSE SORTS OF MISTAKES THAT WE'VE MADE IN THE

PAST BECAUSE WE HAVE TO FIRST ADMIT THAT WE'VE MADE MISTAKES

BEFORE WE CAN CORRECT THEM, SO MAYBE YOU HAVE SOME INPUT ON

THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THESE KIND OF IDEAS, RIGHT, WE

WERE GOING TO GIVE A LOT OF MONEY TO A BUSINESS, THEY WERE

GOING TO OPEN UP, ALL THIS STUFF WAS GOING TO COME WITH IT

BECAUSE EVERYONE'S GOING TO WANT TO BE AROUND THEM BECAUSE

THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE THE DATABASES AND THEY WERE GOING

TO HAVE -- AND WE JUST DIDN'T SEE IT.

AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU AS A TAXPAYER, YOU KNOW, GREAT, WE

GOT STUFF OUT OF THEM, THAT'S NICE, BUT IT JUST BOTHERS ME

THAT EVERYTHING IS ALWAYS THE PROMISE, IT'S ALWAYS, YOU

KNOW, OH, IF WE DO THIS, YOU KNOW, ALL THE -- AND THE CITY

HAS ALL THESE CRAs AREAS.

WE DON'T SEE IT IN THEIR CRA AREAS.

SO GO AHEAD, I'LL LET YOU CLARIFY OR FINISH OR WHATEVER.

>>RON BARTON: I'M NOT SURE I CAN GIVE YOU ANY ANSWERS THAT

WILL MAKE YOU HAPPY, BUT --

[LAUGHTER]

>>SPENCER KASS: I'M SURE YOU CAN'T.

>>RON BARTON: -- SO, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU JUST -- YOU

CAN'T GIVE YOU WHAT YOU NEED --

>>SPENCER KASS: NO, THAT'S FINE.

>>RON BARTON: -- SO I WOULD SUGGEST WE --

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>>JAY VICKERS: MOVE ON?

>>RON BARTON: -- SEE WHAT ELSE --

>>SPENCER KASS: THAT'S FINE.

>>JAY VICKERS: OKAY.

GAYE.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: THANK YOU FOR COMING.

>>RON BARTON: MM-HMM.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: I'M BEING NICE, BUT, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF

AM STILL CONFUSED ON THE WHOLE CONCEPT, BUT IT KIND OF

REMINDS ME OF ANOTHER MONOPOLY GAME.

WE HAVE ALL THESE BOARD GAMES WE ALWAYS DO DOWN HERE.

I STILL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ECONOMIC PLANS AND LAND USE.

I STILL THINK THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A BIG HURDLE BECAUSE

ALTHOUGH WE'RE SAYING WE WANT HIGH-QUALITY JOBS, NOT

NECESSARILY DOES EMPLOYMENT BRING THE QUALITY.

THERE ARE AREAS IN THIS COUNTY THAT PEOPLE LIVE BECAUSE

THERE'S NOT HIGH-QUALITY JOBS BUT THERE CERTAINLY IS QUALITY

OF COMMUNITY, AND THAT HAS TO BE ABOVE ALL.

THAT'S WHY WE HAD THE COMMUNITY PLANS AS WELL AS THE LAND

USE.

AND THEY CAN ROSE COLOR IT ALL THEY WANT, BUT WHEREVER YOU

HAVE HIGH-QUALITY JOBS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LOW-QUALITY

JOBS AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MEDIUM-QUALITY JOBS, AND THE

PROBLEM BEING THERE IS THAT YOU'RE SAYING TO CONTROL SPRAWL,

BUT I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING BECAUSE EVERY TIME YOU PUT,

FOR SAY, THAT TYPE OF FACILITY IN, THE NEXT TIME THE 7-

ELEVEN'S THERE AND THEN THIS IS THERE AND THAT'S THERE AND

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THIS IS THERE AND THAT'S THERE, AND THEN, AGAIN -- AND TRUST

ME, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH LOW-QUALITY JOBS.

PEOPLE HAVE TO MAKE A LIVING.

THIS COUNTY, BASICALLY, THE MAJORITY ARE NOT HIGH-QUALITY

JOBS.

I'D SAY IF YOU LOOK AT THE STATISTICS, IT'S AN AVERAGE-

INCOME COMMUNITY, AND I DON'T WANT TO FORGET THAT ASPECT.

AND I DO HAVE TO SAY -- I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO

DO WITH THIS, I'M SURE YOU DON'T, BUT THE WHOLE IDEA IS I'M

CERTAINLY TIRED OF TAX BREAKS FOR ALL THESE BUSINESSES

COMING IN HERE BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF TAXES THAT ARE COMING

INTO THIS COUNTY ARE HOMEOWNERS.

WE'RE THE ONES PAYING THE TAXES, SO I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK

AT EVERYONE PAYING THEIR WAY.

AND THOSE ARE JUST SOME CONCERNS I HAVE.

THANK YOU.

>>RON BARTON: THANK YOU.

>>JAY VICKERS: KAY.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: GOT ANY ANSWERS?

>>RON BARTON: I JUST THOUGHT THEY WERE CONCERNS.

[LAUGHTER]

YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING -- I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU

SAID, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW -- I MEAN, PART OF THE STRATEGY IS

TO BUILD A COMMERCIAL TAX BASE THAT BALANCES THE BURDEN, AND

SO -- FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, I SPENT A LOT OF MY CAREER IN

ST. PETERSBURG AND PINELLAS COUNTY.

THEY'RE -- IF YOU THINK THE MAJORITY OF THE TAX BURDEN IS

CARRIED BY THE RESIDENTIAL BASE, YOU KNOW, LIVE IN PINELLAS

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COUNTY.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: WELL, IT IS HERE.

>>RON BARTON: AND SO THE COMMERCIAL BASE IS STILL MUCH

HIGHER RELATIVELY SPEAKING, AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS YOU'RE

TRYING TO DO IS CREATE, AGAIN, THAT VALUE CREATION MODEL

WHERE MORE OF YOUR TAX REVENUES ARE GENERATED THROUGH THE

CORPORATE AND COMMERCIAL SIDE, SO IT'S -- IT'S AN ATTEMPT TO

SPEAK TO SOME OF YOUR CONCERNS.

THE SECOND IS THERE'S A CONTINUUM OF JOBS FOR EVERYBODY.

THAT'S ADMITTED.

THERE'S NOT A -- THERE'S NO EDITORIALIZING HERE THAT ONE'S

GOOD AND ONE'S BAD, BUT WHAT WE DO KNOW IS THE MORE WEALTH

THAT WE BRING INTO THE COMMUNITY THROUGH JOBS, THE MORE IT

BENEFITS EVERYBODY.

IF I HAVE MORE DISPOSABLE INCOME, I TEND TO GO TO THE

CLEANERS INSTEAD OF -- INSTEAD OF IRONING MY SHIRT, OKAY.

I HAPPENED TO BUY MY WIFE SOME FLOWERS THIS YEAR, NOT LIKE

LAST YEAR.

YOU KNOW, SO THOSE THINGS PERMEATE THROUGH THE ECONOMY, AND

OTHER PEOPLE HAVE JOBS, AND SO -- I WOULD SAY THIS THIRD.

IRRESPECTIVE -- AND EVERYTHING'S RELATIVE -- HILLSBOROUGH

COUNTY HAS THE HIGHEST AVERAGE WAGE OF ANY COUNTY IN THE

STATE OF FLORIDA, SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT.

NOW, MAYBE WE DID IT BY DUMB LUCK OR MAYBE WE DID IT BY SOME

HARD WORK, BUT IRRESPECTIVE, WE ARE NOT, YOU KNOW, DIXIE

COUNTY, AND SO WE'RE IN -- YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO CAPITALIZE

ON THAT, THOUGH.

WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO GROW THAT.

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AND SO I HEAR EVERY ONE OF YOUR CONCERNS AND I HAVE THEM

TOO, BUT, YOU KNOW -- REMEMBER, THE CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE

ARE NEVER ABOUT -- THEY'RE NEVER ABOUT SOLVING ALL PROBLEMS.

THAT'S WHY THIS OTHER CHART'S IMPORTANT.

IT'S ONE PIECE OF A DIVERSE AND A SOPHISTICATED APPROACH.

I THINK HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY'S -- IF YOU COULD CRITICIZE

OURSELVES HISTORICALLY, AS SPENCER HAD ASKED ABOUT, IT'S THE

FACT THAT WE THINK ONE SILVER BULLET SOLVES ALL PROBLEMS,

AND SPENCER, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU KNOW.

IF SOMEBODY GOT UP TO THE PODIUM AND SAID M2GEN'S GOING TO

TRANSFORM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 10,000

JOBS IN LIFE SCIENCES NEXT YEAR, WELL, THAT'S -- THAT'S

IMMATURE, IT'S INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST, OKAY, BUT IT'S

STILL NOT THE WRONG PLAY.

YOU DON'T BRING IN AN INDUSTRY SEGMENT AND TRANSFORM YOUR

COMMUNITY IN FIVE YEARS, YOU DO THAT OVER 20 YEARS, OKAY.

AND SO JUST LIKE WE LOST MANUFACTURING OVER, WHAT, 20 OR

30 -- YOU KNOW, TWO OR THREE DECADES.

IT DIDN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.

WE DIDN'T GO, POOF, MANUFACTURING GONE.

SO YOU CAN LOSE IT OR YOU CAN GAIN IT, BUT YOU DON'T DO IT

OVERNIGHT AND YOU DON'T DO IT WITH ONE THING.

THAT'S THE ONLY THING I WANT TO SAY --

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: RIGHT.

THANK YOU.

>>RON BARTON: -- IS I WANT US TO EMBRACE A DIVERSITY OF

APPROACHES, AND THAT'S WHAT A LOT OF YOU ARE SAYING.

OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE IMPORTANT.

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I AGREE, YOU KNOW.

OUR COMMUNITY CENTERS ARE IMPORTANT.

I AGREE.

BUT OUR MAJOR JOB CENTERS THAT CAN CREATE HIGHER-PAYING JOBS

BECAUSE WE CAN STAY THE HIGHEST-PAID COUNTY IN THE STATE OF

FLORIDA, THEY'RE IMPORTANT TOO.

SO THAT'S -- THIS IS ONE SILO OF CONVERSATION THAT DOESN'T

EXCLUDE ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: AND MAY I JUST ADD, IF WE COULD DIVERT

FROM ALWAYS SAYING HIGH QUALITY, HIGH QUALITY, HIGH

QUALITY --

>>RON BARTON: RIGHT.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: -- THAT WE HAVE TO --

>>RON BARTON: YEAH.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: WHEN YOU DO YOUR PRESENTATIONS --

>>RON BARTON: IT APPLIES THAT THE REST AREN'T --

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: BECAUSE IT'S A LOT OF SMALL --

>>RON BARTON: -- AND THAT'S A GOOD -- THAT'S A VERY GOOD

POINT.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: -- SMALL BUSINESSES THAT ARE GOING TO BE

PUT OUT BY BASS PRO --

>>RON BARTON: RIGHT.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: -- AND A FEW OTHER AREAS THAT HAVE BEEN IN

THE COMMUNITY FOR YEARS.

>>RON BARTON: YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

>>JAY VICKERS: KAY.

>>KAY DOUGHTY: EARLIER THIS WEEK -- BY THE WAY, THANK YOU

FOR COMING, AND I EMPATHIZE WITH YOUR POWERPOINT BECAUSE I

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WENT THROUGH THE SAME THING YESTERDAY, SO I TOTALLY

UNDERSTAND THAT FEELING.

EARLIER THIS WEEK I HEARD A STORY ON NATIONAL PUBLIC RADIO,

MORNING EDITION, THAT -- I MEAN, THE STORY WAS ABOUT INCOME

AND EQUALITY AMONG RACES, BUT IT TALKED TO THE FACT THAT

SEATTLE AND SILICON VALLEY, BOSTON AREA, AND I THINK THERE

WERE A COUPLE OTHERS THAT DON'T COME TO MY MIND RIGHT NOW,

YOU KNOW, HAD THE -- HAVE BUILT UP AND PEOPLE WANT TO COME

THERE, OTHER BUSINESSES WANT TO COME THERE BECAUSE THEY HAVE

THE INTELLECTUAL CAPACITY TO GENERATE IDEAS AND TO -- TO

MOVE AND TALKED ABOUT MICROSOFT GOING INTO SEATTLE AND THAT

WAS THE PRECIPITANT.

I WONDER, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, IF THOSE AREAS DID

GOVERNMENT POLICIES ENHANCE THAT OR WAS IT JUST LUCK,

BECAUSE --

>>RON BARTON: YEAH.

>>KAY DOUGHTY: I MEAN, CLEARLY THAT'S WHAT WE WANT OR AT

LEAST I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WANT, AND THERE'S BEEN THE TALK

OF, WELL, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, USF AND ALL OF THE MEDICAL

THINGS AND WE REALLY WANT TO BRING IN ALL THE MEDICAL

COMMUNITY AND BUILD THAT UP AND HAVE A CENTER OF EXCELLENCE,

AND -- I MEAN, IT REALLY LEADS -- AND, YOU KNOW, I LIKE THE

APPROACH OF DOING PLANNING, CLEARLY, AND -- AND -- AND I

AGREE WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S BEEN HEARD ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DO

WE WANT TO PUT RESOURCES.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PUTTING RESOURCES IF IT'S REALLY

THOUGHTFULLY PLANNED.

>>RON BARTON: SURE.

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WELL, I'LL WORK BACKWARDS IN YOUR COMMENTS, AND I AGREE.

YOU KNOW, YOU MAY AGREE OR NOT, BUT GOVERNMENTS HAVE PLAYED

A CRITICAL ROLE IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FROM THE BEGINNING.

YOU KNOW, THE ROMANS BUILT AQUEDUCTS AND ROADS AND, I

MEAN -- TO FDRs, WPA, AND CCCs, SO, YOU KNOW, DON'T FOOL

OURSELVES, AND I THINK IT'S PART OF OUR -- I WOULD WANT MY

TAXPAYER DOLLARS USED TO CREATE A STRONG ECONOMY.

I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT.

SO IT'S NOT -- IT'S NOT THAT IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, IT'S EXACTLY

WHAT YOU SAID AT THE END, IT'S ABOUT THOUGHTFULNESS ABOUT

WHERE IT'S APPLIED, SO I THINK THAT'S THE RIGOR THAT WE NEED

TO PUT MORE AROUND IT IS, YOU KNOW -- I WOULD SAY THIS, AND

IT KIND OF RELATES TO SPENCER'S COMMENT, THAT SOMETIMES IN

THE ZEAL TO CONVINCE YOU IT'S A GOOD DECISION, I THINK

SOMETIMES WE -- WE HURT OURSELVES IN OVERSELLING SOMETHING,

YOU KNOW.

I WOULD SAY -- IF I WERE HERE AND DID M2GEN, I WOULD HAVE

SAID DON'T EXPECT ANYTHING NEXT YEAR, BUT YOU SHOULD STILL

INVEST IN THIS BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO TRANSFORM US BECAUSE

NOW -- SEE, SPENCER'S A LITTLE UPSET THAT WE DIDN'T CHANGE

THE ECONOMY IN TWO YEARS, AND THAT'S BECAUSE SOMEBODY

PROBABLY LED HIM TO BELIEVE THAT, AND SO WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE

SAID IS WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THIS ECONOMY IN TEN YEARS AND

YOU'VE GOTTA BE PATIENT.

NOW, YOU CAN EITHER ACCEPT OR REJECT THAT, AND -- BUT IT'S

INTELLECTUALLY MORE HONEST ABOUT THE LONG-TERM, AND SO -- IS

IT KAY?

>>KAY DOUGHTY: YES.

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>>RON BARTON: KAY, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T ANSWER A QUESTION, YOU

KNOW, DID SOMEBODY GIVE MICROSOFT SOME MONEY TO START THERE

ORIGINALLY, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THIS, THEY DIDN'T JUST

CHANGE SEATTLE OVERNIGHT --

>>KAY DOUGHTY: NO.

AND -- THEY SAID THAT --

>>RON BARTON: -- AND THAT'S THE POINT.

>>KAY DOUGHTY: -- BUT, I MEAN, I WAS WONDERING ONCE

MICROSOFT WAS THERE --

>>RON BARTON: RIGHT.

>>KAY DOUGHTY: -- DID THEY DO THINGS TO ATTRACT --

>>RON BARTON: RIGHT.

>>KAY DOUGHTY: -- OTHER PEOPLE TO COME INTO THE COMMUNITY?

>>RON BARTON: YEAH.

AND I CAN'T ANSWER SPECIFICALLY, BUT I'M SURE THEY ENGAGED

CERTAIN AREAS.

>>KAY DOUGHTY: WELL, I WOULD SAY IT MIGHT BE --

>>RON BARTON: YEAH.

>>KAY DOUGHTY: -- INTERESTING TO LOOK AT WHAT --

>>RON BARTON: RIGHT.

>>KAY DOUGHTY: -- THOSE EXPERIENCES WERE IN SILICON VALLEY

TO SEE IF WE CAN PICK UP ANY IDEAS.

>>RON BARTON: YEAH.

THOSE ARE GOOD POINTS.

>>JAY VICKERS: BARBARA.

>>BARBARA ADERHOLD: GOOD MORNING.

>>RON BARTON: GOOD MORNING.

>>BARBARA ADERHOLD: AGAIN, THANKS FOR COMING.

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>>RON BARTON: UH-HUH.

>>BARBARA ADERHOLD: SO AN EDA COULD REALLY BE -- I'M GOING

TO DO, I THINK, A QUESTION --

>>RON BARTON: OKAY.

>>BARBARA ADERHOLD:  -- THAT CAN BE ANSWERED.

[LAUGHTER]

>>RON BARTON: I'LL TRY.

>>BARBARA ADERHOLD: SO AN EDA COULD BE JUST A PARCEL, A 20-

OR 50-ACRE PARCEL COULD BECOME ITS OWN EDA?

>>RON BARTON: I MEAN, I'M GOING TO ANSWER YOU TRUTHFULLY.

>>BARBARA ADERHOLD: MAYBE?

>>RON BARTON: MAYBE.

>>BARBARA ADERHOLD: OKAY.

>>RON BARTON: YEAH.

BECAUSE IT MAY BE THE ONLY THING THAT YOU WANT DO IN THAT

IMMEDIATE AREA.

>>BARBARA ADERHOLD: NOW, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GO ABOUT --

SINCE THIS IS GOING TO BE A FRAMEWORK, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO

GO ABOUT FINDING SITES THAT YOU THINK --

>>RON BARTON: RIGHT.

>>BARBARA ADERHOLD: -- ARE SOMETHING THAT THE PRIVATE

SECTOR WOULD WANT, AND ARE YOU --

>>RON BARTON: RIGHT.

>>BARBARA ADERHOLD: -- GOING TO LOOK IN AREAS WHERE WE HAVE

ALREADY INVESTED IN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN

LISTENING TO SOME OF THE BUDGET TALKS, AND I DON'T THINK

WE'RE RICH.

>>RON BARTON: YEAH.

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NO, WE'RE NOT, I CAN ASSURE YOU OF THAT.

GOOD QUESTION.

THE MECHANICS OF THIS ARE REALLY BASED ON A GIS SYSTEM.

I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO BE SITES THAT ARE ALREADY CONSISTENT

WITH OUR LAND USE POLICIES, THAT ARE ALREADY CONSISTENT IN

ZONING, SO WE'RE NOT -- THIS ISN'T A COMPLETE BLANK SLATE.

WE'RE NOT SAYING, GEE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE COUNTY AND

WE'RE GOING TO PICK A SPOT, SO THIS IS STILL A FRAMEWORK

THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH OUR EXISTING COMMUNITY DECISIONS

ABOUT LAND USE AND ZONING, OKAY, BUT THEY'RE OUT THERE,

THOSE SITES ARE OUT THERE.

AND THE QUESTION IS -- AND, AGAIN, I'VE JUST GONE BACK AND

SAID WHAT WE DON'T KNOW FROM MORE OF A GLOBAL PERSPECTIVE IS

WHETHER THOSE SITES ARE IN PERFECT POSITION TO RESPOND IN

THE PRIVATE-SECTOR WORLD, WHICH IS GREAT, NO ENGAGEMENT.

TRUST ME, I DON'T WANT TO ENGAGE, OKAY, BUT IF THERE'S A KEY

SITE THAT A COMPANY HAS TOLD US REPEATEDLY THEY MIGHT BE

INTERESTED IN BUT IT HAS SOME IMPEDIMENT, THEN WHAT IS IT?

DON'T WE WANT TO AT LEAST KNOW WHAT IT IS, AND DON'T WE

REALLY WANT TO KNOW AHEAD OF TIME RATHER THAN HAVING A

REACTION TO SOMEBODY COMING TO US AND PROPOSING SOMETHING,

THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY AHEAD OF IT?

SO THAT'S THE START IS THAT THESE ARE SITES THAT KIND OF

HAVE ENTITLEMENTS ALREADY, THEY ALREADY HAVE THE RIGHT

ZONING, AND, YOU KNOW, THIS PROCESS MAY EVENTUALLY LEAD US

TO WHAT I BELIEVE IS A SECOND TIER, WHICH IS A REDEVELOPMENT

CONVERSATION, BECAUSE WHAT'S NOT GOING TO POP UP IN THAT

ANALYSIS IS WHAT, A SITE WITH FOUR BUILDINGS THAT HAVE ZERO

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VALUE ON THEM, THAT THE LAND'S WORTH MORE THAN THE BUILDINGS

THAT THEY'RE ON.

I SPENT A LOT OF MY CAREER IN THE REDEVELOPMENT WORLD IN

DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT, SO THAT'S -- YOU KNOW, THAT'S A SECOND

TIER OF EFFORT, BUT THAT'S NOT WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW

BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO KNOW THE BASIC GREENFIELDS FIRST.

DOES THAT HELP A LITTLE?

>>BARBARA ADERHOLD: YES.

THANK YOU.

>>JAY VICKERS: DEBORAH.

>>DEBORAH COPE: ACTUALLY, SHE -- I GOT MY ANSWER.

>>JAY VICKERS: OKAY.

>>RON BARTON: AND THAT'S WHAT I REALLY MEANT BY STARTING

BOTTOM UP, THAT'S REALLY GOING -- BECAUSE -- AND I ANSWERED

YOUR FIRST QUESTION TRUTHFULLY BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW, BUT,

YOU KNOW, WHAT I SAW WAS A CONVERSATION ABOUT BOUNDARIES

STARTING TO BE DRAWN, AND WE DON'T KNOW.

IF WE SEE -- IF WE SEE SEVEN KEY SITES THAT ARE ALL WITHIN A

HALF A MILE OF EACH OTHER, WELL, THAT STARTS TO WHAT, COMPEL

YOU THAT MAYBE THERE'S AN AREA THAT YOU CAN DEFINE AND YOU

BEGIN TO BUILD SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY BECAUSE YOU'VE

GOT CRITICAL MASS AND DENSITY, OKAY, YOU CAN BUILD, SO --

BUT I'M NOT PREDISPOSED TO THE ANSWER.

I JUST -- I NEED THE DATA FROM THE BOTTOM UP TO TELL ME, AND

THEN WE CAN ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WHAT DOES THAT

MEAN.

>>JAY VICKERS: OKAY.

DEBORAH.

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>>DEBORAH COPE: AND HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GATHER THIS

INFORMATION I THINK IS A BIG QUESTION FOR ME?

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO FIND OUT WHERE THESE AREAS ARE AND WHAT

NEEDS TO BE DONE TO THEM?

WHERE DOES THAT INFORMATION EXIST?

>>RON BARTON: WELL, A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS.

THE FIRST ONE IS IT'S RIGHT IN OUR -- IT'S RIGHT IN OUR

GRASP AND WE DON'T -- WE JUST DON'T USE IT.

>>DEBORAH COPE: YEAH.

I MEAN -- I MEAN, AS FAR AS, LIKE --

>>RON BARTON: PROPERTY APPRAISER FILES --

>>DEBORAH COPE: COMPANIES HAVE SAID THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG

WITH THIS, I DON'T WANT TO MOVE THERE, BUT MAYBE NO ONE'S

SAID THAT YET.

I MEAN, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT?

>>RON BARTON: YEAH.

I MEAN, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

WE'RE FIRST GOING TO START WITH JUST STANDARD DATA SOURCES,

OUR PROPERTY APPRAISER'S FILE AND GIS BASE.

THE SECOND LEVEL OF WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WE'RE GOING

TO SPEND SOME TIME WITH SITE SELECTION CONSULTANTS AND EVEN

SOME OF THE CEOs THAT MADE DECISIONS, KEY DECISIONS OF

LOCATION, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO GUESS AT WHAT THE DRIVING

DECISIONS ARE, WE WANT TO KNOW.

BY THE WAY, WE WANT TO KNOW ANYWAY.

EVEN IF WE DON'T DO AN EDA EVER, WE WANT TO KNOW THAT BETTER

BECAUSE WE WANT TO MARKET MORE EFFECTIVELY.

SO THAT'S THE SECOND LEVEL, OKAY.

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AND THEN WHAT WE DON'T TEND TO DO REALLY WELL IS LOOK AT THE

HOLISTIC PICTURE ASSOCIATED EVEN WITH A SITE, IS WE JUST

LOOK AT A SITE AND GO, OH, DO WE HAVE ENTITLEMENTS OR NOT?

WELL, THAT'S NOT THE ANSWER.

THAT'S PART OF THE ANSWER.

SO IT'S, LIKE, WELL, CAN YOU GET TO THE SITE, YOU KNOW, IS

IT READY TO BUILD TOMORROW?

>>DEBORAH COPE: RIGHT.

>>RON BARTON: SO WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THOSE LAYERS, BUT

THEY START WITH OUR DATABASE SYSTEM, BUT WE WANT TO BE

REALLY SOPHISTICATED ABOUT WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THEM, AND THEN

YOU CAN HAVE A -- THEN YOU CAN HAVE A STRAIGHTFORWARD

CONVERSATION WITH ANYBODY BECAUSE IT'S FACTS.

THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED.

WHAT HAPPENS IS, YOU KNOW, CONVERSATIONS TEND TO FRAGMENT

WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE ALL THE FACTS.

>>DEBORAH COPE: THANK YOU.

>>BARBARA ADERHOLD: DID TRADER JOE'S GET ANYTHING FROM

ANYBODY TO COME TO TAMPA?

DIDN'T THEY JUST DECIDE TO COME HERE FROM A MARKETING

STANDPOINT?

>>RON BARTON: YEAH, I DON'T THINK THEY DID.

NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: GOOD.

[INAUDIBLE]

>>RON BARTON: EXACTLY.

>>BARBARA ADERHOLD: I MEAN, IF IT WERE UP TO ME, I WOULD

HAVE GIVEN THEM ALL THE MONEY IN THE WORLD INSTEAD OF THE

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BIG FISH STORE THAT WAS COMING, BUT THAT'S JUST --

>>RON BARTON: DULY NOTED.

>>BARBARA ADERHOLD: ONE OTHER -- WELL, I PROBABLY HAVE MANY

OTHER QUESTIONS, BUT IN LOOKING AT SOME OF THESE SITES, I

HAVE A BIG FEAR THAT THERE MIGHT BE -- AND YOU SPOKE TO I

THINK THEY WEREN'T ENVIRONMENTALLY -- COULD BE THERE'S SOME

PROBLEMS THERE.

I HOPE THAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING, JUST TO GET THE ALMIGHTY

DOLLAR, TO DO AWAY WITH SOME OF OUR WETLANDS AND RIVERINES

AND ALL THIS GOOD STUFF BECAUSE I'VE BEEN HEARING IT ALL

OVER AND OVER AGAIN, AND IT WAS IN THE ULI THAT WE HAVE

THESE ISOLATED WETLANDS, AND IT -- IT WAS ALMOST GIVEN IN

THIS -- IN A SENTENCE THAT WE CAN JUST DO AWAY WITH THEM,

AND --

>>RON BARTON: RIGHT.

>>BARBARA ADERHOLD:  -- I DISAGREE.

>>RON BARTON: SURE.

>>BARBARA ADERHOLD: OUR WETLANDS RULES DISAGREES WITH THAT

AS WELL --

>>RON BARTON: RIGHT.

>>BARBARA ADERHOLD: -- BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE

PRESERVE THE ENVIRONMENT.

>>RON BARTON: RIGHT.

WELL, I WOULD SAY THIS FROM THE REVERSE.

IF WE HAVE A SITE AND IT HAS ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES AND THERE

IS NO WILL TO ADDRESS THE PROBLEM OF THAT SITE, THEN WHAT I

WANT TO KNOW IS I WANT TO KNOW THAT BECAUSE IT COMES OFF MY

LIST.

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IT COMES OFF THE EDC LIST, OKAY.

AND -- YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO SWIM UPSTREAM, I

DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME, AND SO I KNOW THIS COMMUNITY IS DEEP

ENOUGH THAT IT HAS OTHER SITES, OKAY, SO, YOU KNOW, THE

ANSWER WILL BE WHAT IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE ENVIRONMENTAL

DEBATE, BUT, YOU KNOW, I WOULD JUST SAY THIS: IT'S BETTER TO

KNOW THAN NOT -- THAN TO ASSUME, AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO

DO.

IT'S BACK TO THE 100% KNOWLEDGE ISSUE.

IF YOU HAVE FULL DISCLOSURE AND YOU KNOW THE ISSUES, THEN

YOU CAN MAKE A DECISION.

>>JAY VICKERS: CRISTAN.

>>CRISTAN FADAL: YEAH.

SO A QUICK QUESTION.

WHAT -- DO WE KNOW WHAT THOSE, LIKE, MAYBE TOP THREE DRIVERS

ARE THAT ARE TRULY BRINGING COMPANIES?

REALLY, I'M THINKING MORE LIKE HEADQUARTERS --

>>RON BARTON: SURE.

>>CRISTAN FADAL: -- TO HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AS OPPOSED TO,

SAY, LIKE, A BASS PRO SHOP WHERE IT'S JUST ONE PARTICULAR

BUILDING?

WHAT ARE THOSE TOP THREE THINGS, AND ARE THEY INCENTIVES --

>>RON BARTON: YEAH.

>>CRISTAN FADAL: -- TAX INCENTIVES THAT TRULY ARE THE TOP

DRIVERS --

>>RON BARTON: RIGHT.

>> -- OR IS IT SOMETHING ELSE?

>>RON BARTON: I'M NOT GOING TO RANK ORDER THEM, BUT THE TOP

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ONES ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE ACCESS TO WORKFORCE.

THEY'RE COMING TO A MARKETPLACE THAT THEY BELIEVE BRINGS THE

DYNAMICS BOTH AT A MACRO LEVEL AND A MICRO LEVEL, AND SO,

YOU KNOW, THE COST OF LABOR, EVEN THOUGH WE ARE THE HIGHEST

AVERAGE WAGE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, WE CAN BEAR VERY

FAVORABLY TO THE AVERAGE WAGES IN NEW JERSEY, OKAY, SO

THERE'S A BUSINESS DECISION THAT BENEFITS THE STATE OF

FLORIDA.

BY THE WAY, BENEFITS HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, BY THE WAY,

CONTINUES TO MAKE US THE HIGHEST WAGE IN FLORIDA BECAUSE I

DON'T SHOP, YOU KNOW, IN TRENTON, I SHOP HERE, SO IT'S ALL

RELATIVE TO WHERE YOU LIVE, TO YOUR POINT, AND SO -- BUT

WORKFORCE -- THE BUSINESS DYNAMICS ARE ALWAYS FIRST, OKAY,

TAX BASE, AVERAGE WAGES, KIND OF THE BASICS, BUT THEN IT'S

THE QUALITY OF THE WORKFORCE, WHERE'S THE TALENT, WHO DO

THEY NEED, WHAT SKILL SETS, AND I CAN ASSURE YOU THEY DO

VERY DETAILED ANALYSIS OF -- OF THE WORKFORCE.

BY THE WAY, IF I CAN TAKE ONE SEGUE OFF OF THAT, I TALKED

ABOUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT OURSELVES.

WE HAVE VERY POOR KNOWLEDGE ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY ON

WORKFORCE, AND SO, YEAH, THERE'S A WORKFORCE BOARD; YES,

THERE'S DATA; YES, THERE'S A CENSUS THAT SAYS HOW MANY

PEOPLE WENT TO HIGH SCHOOL, HOW MANY PEOPLE WENT TO COLLEGE,

BUT WE REALLY DON'T KNOW THAT SUB-COUNTY AND THEN HOW WE

RELATE TO OUR NEIGHBOR COUNTIES.

WE KNOW IT HAPPENS BECAUSE YOU SEE THE COMMUTE PATTERNS AND

OTHER THINGS.

PART OF THIS PROCESS THAT WE'RE DOING THAT I'VE DESCRIBED TO

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YOU ABOUT THE SITES, THE SECOND PIECE WE'RE MARRYING UP TO

IT, SO THAT YOU KNOW THIS, IS A BUSINESS INTELLIGENCE PIECE,

SO THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT OUR LAND, IT'S ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY,

AND SO WE'RE BUILDING A MODEL THAT, FRANKLY, I'VE NEVER SEEN

ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY THAT TRIES TO COMBINE THOSE.

BACK TO YOUR QUESTION.

BECAUSE THAT'S RELEVANT.

NOW WE CAN TELL A BUSINESSPERSON EVEN MORE SOPHISTICATED

INFORMATION ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY AND HOW SITES RELATE TO

THOSE OTHER DRIVERS.

IT'S INTERESTING, AND I CAN'T TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, WHETHER

THEIR DATA IS DRIVEN OR IT'S INSTINCTIVE, BUT WE WILL HAVE

SOME THAT SAY I WANT TO BE IN WESTSHORE BECAUSE THERE IS

ALREADY A CRITICAL MASS OF FINANCIAL SERVICES.

WELL, IRONICALLY, WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER FINANCIAL SERVICES

COMPANY AND THEY SAY, NO, THAT'S MY NEAREST COMPETITOR, I

WANT TO BE IN EAST HILLSBOROUGH ON THE 75 CORRIDOR.

THAT'S NOT A WRONG ANSWER, BUT TO YOUR POINT ABOUT WHAT ARE

THE DRIVERS, IT CAN BE CONTRADICTORY.

NOW, THEY'VE MADE A DECISION, THAT COMPANY HAS STOLEN MY

WORKERS IN NASHVILLE AND SO I KNOW THEY'RE PREDATORY.

NOW, DOES MOVING TO ONE END OF THE COUNTY OR THE OTHER MAKE

A DIFFERENCE?

APPARENTLY THEY THINK SO.

SO -- BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW IT'S -- IT'S WEIRD, BUT

THEY HAVE THEIR METRICS.

THEY'VE FIGURED THEM OUT.

WORKFORCE IS IMPORTANT, AND, AGAIN, PARENTHETICALLY, THE

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CONVERSATION ABOUT OUR TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, HAS

GOTTA BE ADDRESSED BECAUSE IT'S NOT -- SOME HAVE SAID, YOU

KNOW, WE NEED TO LINK OUR EDAs.

THAT'S A CONVERSATION THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT, AND THERE'S

NOTHING WRONG -- I MEAN, YOU ALWAYS WANT YOUR COMMUNITY

LINKED.

WE HAVE A MORE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM, WHICH IS YOU CAN'T GET

OUT OF YOUR DRIVEWAY AND GET TO YOUR JOB AND YOU CAN'T GET

FROM YOUR JOB BACK INTO YOUR DRIVEWAY, AND SO THAT'S MORE

FUNDAMENTAL TO THE BUSINESS DECISION.

THE MORE THE COMMUNITY GETS GRIDLOCKED THE LESS COMPETITIVE

WE'RE GOING TO BE.

THEN IF THE OPTION IS T. ROWE PRICE SAYS, HMM, OF ALL THE,

YOU KNOW, FIVE OR SIX THINGS I'M LOOKING AT, I CAN GET

CHEAPER LAND, I CAN GET PRETTY GOOD ACCESS TO THE

MARKETPLACE EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT SUPERIOR TO SOME OTHER

SITES, BUT MY WORKERS ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE HAPPIER

BECAUSE THEIR COMMUTE TIMES ARE DIFFERENT -- I MEAN, ALL

THOSE FACTORS COME INTO PLAY, SO THAT'S WHERE YOUR LONG-

RANGE PLANNING CONTINUES TO POSITION YOUR COMMUNITY TO BE A

COMPETITOR TEN AND 20 YEARS FROM NOW.

SO -- BUT WORKFORCE, REAL ESTATE DECISION, CLEARLY YOUR

GENERAL BUSINESS TAX BASE.

SOMETIMES THEY WANT TO BE IN CRITICAL MASS WITH -- WITH

INDUSTRY SEGMENTS, SOMETIMES THEY WANT TO BE AWAY FROM THEM.

I CAN'T TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S THE SAME.

SOME WANT TO BE -- ACCESSIBILITY TO THE AIRPORT'S IMPORTANT,

OKAY.

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AND WE'VE FOCUSED MORE ON OFFICE STUFF, BUT THERE'S ALSO

INDUSTRIAL, SO ACCESS TO RAIL, ACCESS TO THE INTERSTATE

SYSTEM, PROXIMITY TO THOSE ON THE INDUSTRIAL SIDE.

INCENTIVES -- LISTEN, I'VE BEEN AT THIS 30 YEARS, SO ALL I

KNOW IS THEY ENGAGE IN AN INCENTIVE CONVERSATION, OKAY.

ALL I KNOW IS -- AND SOMEONE -- IT'S EASY -- IT'S EASY TO

SAY JUST DON'T DO IT, OKAY.

THE DAY THAT I -- THE BOARD LEARNS THAT I TOLD A COMPANY,

NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT, AND WE DON'T GET THAT DEAL IS

THE DAY I DON'T WORK HERE ANYMORE.

I DON'T DO THE INCENTIVE CONVERSATION BECAUSE I'M WORRIED

ABOUT MY JOB, IT'S JUST A PART OF IT.

NOW, EVEN SITE SELECTION CONSULTANTS WILL TELL YOU IT'S NOT

THE PREDOMINANT ISSUE, OKAY, SO WE JUST HAVE TO GET OVER IT,

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT SOME ARE PHILOSOPHICALLY OPPOSED

TO IT, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS, AND SO UNTIL WE CAN GET FEDERAL

LEGISLATION PASSED THAT SAYS NO MORE INCENTIVES -- OH, BY

THE WAY, I'M GOING TO GO BACK AND SAY LET'S BE HONEST WITH

EACH OTHER -- THAT'S WHY I USED THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION --

THERE ARE INCENTIVES EVERYWHERE.

THERE ARE SALES TAX EXEMPTIONS.

YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THE IRS TAX CODE, OKAY.

SO IT'S DONE EVERYWHERE.

THE QUESTION IS WHAT YOU SHOULD DEMAND ONCE YOU GET OVER THE

HEARTBURN THAT YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN IT PHILOSOPHICALLY,

OKAY, IS -- WHAT YOU SHOULD DEMAND IS WHERE'S MY RETURN,

SPENCER'S QUESTION, WHERE'S THE BENEFIT STRING, AND IF YOU

DON'T BELIEVE IT, THEN YOU SHOULD LOBBY AGAINST IT, BUT

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LOBBY ON THE MERITS OF THE BUSINESS DEAL BECAUSE I JUST --

AT THIS JUNCTURE, I CAN'T ENCOURAGE YOU TO SAY IT'S A

PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTION.

IT'S NOT.

YOU KNOW, UNTIL OUR COMPETITORS DON'T DO IT, THE PEOPLE WE

ENGAGE WITH ARE GOING TO ASK.

NOW, I CAN TELL YOU I'VE BEEN DOING IT A LONG TIME.

NO ONE TREATS THEIR FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITY MORE

IMPORTANTLY THAN I DO.

I WANT TO DRIVE ANY -- I TELL MY STAFF ALL THE TIME WHEN I

WAS IN ST. PETERSBURG AND IN JACKSONVILLE AND HERE, OUR JOB

IS TO GROW THE ECONOMY WITH ZERO PUBLIC INVESTMENT.

NOW, WE DON'T ALWAYS DO THAT, BUT THAT'S OUR JOB; RIGHT?

IT'S TO HELP THE PRIVATE-SECTOR MODEL WORK, BUT THE FACT OF

THE MATTER IS WE DO HAVE TO ENGAGE SOMETIME.

>>JAY VICKERS: LINDA.

>>LINDA PORTER: YES.

GOOD MORNING.

>>RON BARTON: GOOD MORNING.

>>LINDA PORTER: I'M A NEWBIE HERE --

>>RON BARTON: OH, COOL.

>>LINDA PORTER: -- SO IT'S MY FIRST QUESTION.

AND I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO WORK ON THAT PHRASE "HIGH-QUALITY

JOBS" --

>>RON BARTON: OH, YEAH.

>>LINDA PORTER: -- BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHAT IS CONSIDERED

A HIGH-QUALITY JOB?

>>RON BARTON: WELL, LET'S QUIT USING THAT WORD.

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[LAUGHTER]

REALLY, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ARE INDUSTRY SEGMENTS AND JOB

POSITIONS THAT CAN GARNER THE HIGHEST PAY.

IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

I MEAN, IF WE WERE JUST OUT LOOKING FOR A JOB, I WANT TO DO

A JOB I LIKE AND I WANT TO GET SOMEBODY TO PAY ME THE MOST I

CAN GET THEM TO PAY ME, SO -- I MEAN, THAT'S AS SIMPLE AS IT

IS.

NOW, WHAT WE KNOW FROM DATA IS CERTAIN INDUSTRY SEGMENTS ARE

GOING TO ACHIEVE THOSE OBJECTIVES MORE THAN OTHERS.

IT'S NOT THAT A RETAIL JOB IS BAD, IT'S NOT, BUT WE DO KNOW

THAT IT'S IN A GENERAL PAY RANGE, OKAY, THAT IS FAIRLY

DEFINABLE, SO NOT BAD, IT'S JUST -- IT'S A DIFFERENT

METRICS, AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE MEAN BY THAT.

SO THERE'S CERTAIN TARGETED INDUSTRIES.

THAT'S WHY THE STATE HAS SPENT A LOT OF TIME ANALYTICALLY

LOOKING AT CERTAIN INDUSTRIES THAT TEND TO HAVE, WHAT,

HIGHER GROWTH FACTORS, SO YOU WANT SOME INDUSTRY SEGMENTS

THAT ARE REALLY ON, WHAT, THE INCLINE, NOT THE DECLINE, YOU

DON'T WANT TO BUY INTO A LOSER, YOU WANT TO BUY INTO A

WINNER, AND SO INDUSTRY SEGMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO GROW

QUICKER, INDUSTRY SEGMENTS THAT TEND TO SPIN OFF AND BUILD

SYNERGIES; IN OTHER WORDS, COMPANIES THAT DO BUSINESS WITH

THEM, SO THAT'S PART OF THAT GROWTH FACTOR, AND THAT THEY

TEND TO HAVE PAY CHARACTERISTICS THAT ARE MORE FAVORABLE.

>>LINDA PORTER: AND I ONLY SAY THAT BECAUSE I HAVE A FAMILY

MEMBER WHO'S A TEACHER, AND I WAS SHOCKED AT HOW MUCH SHE

MAKES --

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>> ME TOO.

>>LINDA PORTER: -- AND SO OUR TEACHERS ARE REALLY NEVER

SEEN AS BOTTOM OF THE BARREL.

>>RON BARTON: RIGHT.

>>LINDA PORTAL: ALTHOUGH THE PAY IS, THE -- THEIR POSITION

IS NOT.

>>RON BARTON: RIGHT.

>>LINDA PORTER: SO EVEN WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT POSITIONS, I

THINK A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY LOOKS FAVORABLE TO TEACHERS,

THEY RESPECT THEM, BUT OUR -- OUR GOVERNMENT DOESN'T PAY

THEM, OUR COUNTY AND CITY AND WHATEVER, WE JUST DON'T PAY

THEM ENOUGH, SO DO THEY HAVE A HIGH-QUALITY JOB?

I MEAN --

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: [INAUDIBLE]

>>RON BARTON: RIGHT.

>>LINDA PORTER: THANK YOU.

>>JAY VICKERS: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON --

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: [INAUDIBLE]

>>JAY VICKERS: YES.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: WELL, AFTER LIVING IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY

MOST OF MY LIFE, I'VE FOUND BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME, AND IT

DOESN'T REALLY MATTER, AND IT'S SO FUNNY, I GUESS I DON'T

TRUST GOVERNMENT TOO MUCH SINCE I'VE BEEN THROUGH -- WORKED

ON SO MANY ISSUES.

>>RON BARTON: RIGHT.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: THE MANIPULATION AND THE LACK OF

HONESTY -- NOT YOU, BUT I'M SAYING GOVERNMENT IN GENERAL.

>>RON BARTON: I GOT IT.

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>>GAYE TOWNSEND: I MEAN, I HAVE TO LOOK AT MY TAXES.

AS A HOMEOWNER, WELL, YES, WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN ON YOUR

TAXES BECAUSE YOUR HOME'S DEPRECIATED, SO WHAT DID THEY DO?

THEY BRING THE VALUE OF THE HOME WAY DOWN.

HELLO, UP GOES THE PROPERTY VALUE.

DID I SAVE ANY MONEY ON MY TAXES?

OH, NO, THEY WENT UP $2.

SO, I MEAN, IT'S JUST THIS ISSUE, AND ANOTHER CONCEPT WHICH

DRIVES SOME OF US WACKY IN THE CIVIC SOCIETY, I GUESS YOU

CAN CALL US -- THAT'S A LOW-INCOME JOB, TRUST ME, BUT --

[LAUGHTER]

-- IS THE GENERAL PLANNING.

I MEAN, YOU HAVE THE RURAL AREAS IN ONE COUNTY AND THEN YOU

JUMP TO THE NEXT COUNTY AND THEN YOU'RE PUTTING THE HIGH

URBAN NEXT TO THESE RURAL AREAS.

WELL, IT'S NOT VERY PLEASANT, AND THAT'S A PROBLEM THERE.

YES, MAYBE PASCO -- I HAVE MY PROBLEMS SOMETIMES WITH

PINELLAS ON A PERSONAL LEVEL, BUT THEY'VE DONE A DECENT JOB

OF PLANNING.

I MEAN, IF YOU GO INTO THEIR CITIES AND -- IT'S A BEAUTIFUL

COUNTY.

I MEAN, IF YOU COME TO FLORIDA, YOU LOOK AT PINELLAS,

HILLSBOROUGH, PASCO, IT'S A BEAUTIFUL COUNTY.

THEY'VE TAKEN CARE OF THEIR CITIES.

THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL THE WAY THEY'VE RESTORED -- AND WE HAVEN'T

DONE THAT.

WE'VE KIND OF TAKEN OUR PAST AND THROWN IT AWAY.

OH, WE'RE GOING TO DO ANOTHER -- A NEW RIVERWALK OR

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SOMETHING, SO OUT GOES ALL THE OLD BUILDINGS.

SO -- AND AS FAR AS PEOPLE GO, I DON'T REALLY CARE IF

THEY'RE HIGH-QUALITY, LOW-QUALITY, MEDIUM-QUALITY.

I'M A PEOPLE PERSON, AND I LIKE PEOPLE, AND IT DOES NOT

IMPRESS ME.

I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY CLEAN MY HOUSE, I DON'T HAVE

TO HAVE SOMEBODY DO MY CLOTHES, I JUST LIKE PEOPLE, SO IF

YOU SEE THE COMMERCIAL ABOUT WE USED TO GO TO NEIGHBORS AND

WE USED TO BE WITH NEIGHBORS, NO, NOT ANYMORE.

IT'S LIKE WHO'S DRIVING THE BEST CAR, WHO'S DRIVING --

WEARING THE MOST EXPENSIVE CLOTHES, AND THEN YOU GO INTO

THESE COMMUNITIES, EVERYTHING LOOKS ALIKE, SO WE STILL NEED

TO LOOK BACK AS WE'RE LOSING SOCIAL CONTACT, AND THAT'S VERY

IMPORTANT, SO I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER SOCIAL CONTACT,

REMEMBER EVERYBODY.

DON'T LEAVE ANYBODY OUT ON YOUR EQUATION.

>>RON BARTON: RIGHT.

>>JAY VICKERS: CRISTAN.

>>CRISTAN FADAL: ARE WE RUNNING OUT ON TIME?

>>JAY VICKERS: NO, WE'RE GOOD.

WE'RE GOOD.

>>CRISTAN FADAL: I'LL TRY TO ASK A QUESTION HERE.

ON -- YOU HAD MENTIONED DENSITY, AND I KNOW THAT'S ONE OF

THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS, EVERYONE SAYS, WELL, WE NEED

DENSITY IN ORDER TO REALLY SUPPORT THE TYPE OF TRANSIT

SYSTEMS THAT WE'D LIKE WITH RAIL AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT

THEN WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANTING TO BUILD

AND PUT IN APARTMENT COMPLEXES OR PUT IN CONDOS OR WHATEVER,

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PARTICULARLY IN SOUTH TAMPA, THE COMMUNITY GETS ALL UP IN

ARMS AND FREAKS OUT, SO HOW DO YOU WORK THAT -- HOW DO YOU

MANAGE THAT BECAUSE, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW -- I THINK

THERE'S A LOT OF -- I'M IN REAL ESTATE.

I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS THAT WANT TO BUILD, BRING THE

DENSITY IN THERE, BRING THE BUSINESSES, THEN, THAT COME WITH

THAT --

>>RON BARTON: RIGHT.

>>CRISTAN FADAL: -- EVEN IF THEY'RE SMALLER BUSINESSES OR

MAYBE SOME LARGER, SO HOW DO YOU MEASURE THAT DENSITY AND

HOW DO YOU DETERMINE TO GET THE COMMUNITY ONBOARD WITH THAT?

>>RON BARTON: THAT'S BOB McDONOUGH'S PROBLEM.

[LAUGHTER]

NO, I'M KIDDING.

YOU KNOW, THE ONE THING I'VE ENJOYED SINCE I'VE COME BACK TO

TAMPA AND CERTAINLY WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY IS -- YOU KNOW,

I KIND OF HAD THAT MIND-SET THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY WAS

THE UNINCORPORATED AND THE CITY WAS THE MUNICIPAL, AND WHAT

I'VE BEEN -- YOU KNOW, FOR BETTER OR WORSE, BUT FOR ME IT'S

EXCITING IS THAT THIS COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND THE BOARD REALLY

EMBRACES WHAT HAPPENS IN OUR CITIES, AND SO THAT'S REWARDING

FOR ME, HAVING SPENT A GOOD BIT OF MY CAREER BEING A

DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR AS WELL, SO I'M USED TO THE

QUESTIONS YOU JUST ASKED, AND THERE ISN'T A -- THERE ISN'T

REALLY A GOOD ANSWER, BUT, YOU KNOW, PART OF WHAT YOU HAVE

TO DO IS SPEAK TO THE DIVERSITY QUESTION.

YOU HAVE TO -- YOU HAVE TO SHOW PEOPLE THEY'RE STILL GOING

TO HAVE THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY HAVE, BUT COMMUNITIES DON'T

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STAND STILL.

I MEAN, THAT'S THE ONE THING I'VE LEARNED, I THINK ALL OF

YOU KNOW THAT, IS IT NEVER STAYS STATIC.

YOU'RE EITHER GOING TO CHANGE POSITIVELY OR IT'S EVENTUALLY

GOING TO CHANGE NEGATIVELY BECAUSE IT'S VERY RARE YOUR WORLD

STAYS THE SAME FOR 50 YEARS.

I MEAN -- AND SO PART OF THE STORYTELLING IS HOW IT -- IT

CONTINUES TO BUILD A POSITIVE COMMUNITY THAT YOU WANT TO BE

IN IN THE FUTURE.

SOME PEOPLE CAN'T GRASP THE FACT THAT IT'S GOING TO CHANGE

BECAUSE WHAT I'VE LEARNED IS IF YOU DON'T, IT TENDS TO GO

NEGATIVE.

THAT'S WHERE BLIGHT COMES, AND BLIGHT IS SUBURBAN AS WELL AS

URBAN.

AND SO THAT'S REALLY THE FIRST HURDLE WE ALL HAVE TO GET

OVER IS THAT IT'S GOING TO EVOLVE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

THE QUESTION IS WHICH WAY DO YOU WANT IT TO EVOLVE?

AND THEN -- AND THEN YOU CAN START TO ENGAGE, OKAY, WELL,

THEN, WHAT PRODUCT, WHAT THINGS?

AND SO, YES, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A ONE-STORY BLOCK

FORMER TACKLE SHOP NEXT TO YOU, IT MAY BE A THREE-STORY

TOWNHOME PRODUCT, BUT THAT'S NOT A BAD THING, AND SO PART OF

IT IS JUST TRYING TO ENGAGE WITH THE NEAR-TERM COMMUNITY

AROUND WHAT IT IS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR, AND SOME YOU'LL

NEVER BE ABLE TO REACH, BUT, I MEAN, THAT'S PART OF IT.

IT'S ALL -- SOME OF IT'S THE SOFT SCIENCE, NOT THE HARD

SCIENCE.

>>JAY VICKERS: KAY.

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>>KAY DOUGHTY: I THINK THIS WILL BE SIMPLE, AND YOU MAY

HAVE SAID IT AND I MISSED IT, AND IF SO, I APOLOGIZE, BUT

WHERE WILL THE PLANNING COMMISSION FIT INTO THIS?

>>RON BARTON: WELL, GOOD QUESTION, AND THE CITIZENS AS

WELL.

AS -- YOU KNOW, AS I'VE SAID, WHAT I BELIEVE MY JOB IS IS TO

BRING FACTUAL INFORMATION, AND I THINK EVEN SOMETIMES IN THE

PLANNING PROCESS YOU TEND TO BE AT SUCH A HIGH LEVEL THAT

IT'S ALL AN INTELLECTUAL CONVERSATION, NOT A FACTUAL

CONVERSATION, AND SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS BUILD THIS

BASE OF INFORMATION THAT'S NOT JUST LAND-ORIENTED, IT'S

BUSINESS CONVERSATION-ORIENTED, AND, AGAIN, IT'LL BE A --

IT'LL BE A FACTUAL ASSESSMENT OF WHAT WE BELIEVE ARE THE

WEAKNESSES OF THESE SITES TO HELP CHANGE WHO WE ARE OVER

TIME, AND -- AND SO WE'LL EITHER ACCEPT THOSE FACTS OR NOT.

AND LET'S HOLD WETLANDS OVER TO THE SIDE.

IF -- IF THERE'S SOME -- IF THERE'S SOME ISSUE ASSOCIATED

WITH THOSE SITES, DO WE WANT TO MAKE A PUBLIC POLICY

DECISION -- AND SPENCER, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, NO ONE'S

MADE THAT DECISION -- THAT'S GOING TO BE MADE BY CITIZEN

INPUT, THAT'S GOING TO BE MADE BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN

HELPING US ADMINISTER CITIZEN PROCESS, AND ULTIMATELY IT'S

GOING TO BE MADE BY THE BOARD.

AND SO MY -- MY ANSWER TO YOU IS STAY TUNED.

NO TRAIN HAS LEFT THE STATION.

I DO THINK WE KNOW THE DIRECTION THE TRAIN'S GOING TO GO AT

LEAST, AND SO WHEN WE GET THERE AND HOW HAPPY WE ARE, YOU

KNOW, THAT'S ALL A PART OF OUR PROCESS TOGETHER.

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>>KAY DOUGHTY: I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, AND

FOLLOWING CRISTAN'S AND SPENCER'S COMMENTS, YOU KNOW,

ABOUT -- AND YOUR STATEMENT JUST NOW ABOUT COMMUNITY

INVOLVEMENT, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO WHAT YOU SAID YOU WANT TO

DO, WHICH IS TO BE TRUTHFUL TO THE CITIZENS ABOUT WHATEVER

KIND OF PLANNING PROCESS -- I MEAN, WHATEVER PLAN COMES FROM

THIS SO THAT THERE IS THE RECOGNITION THAT IF WE DO "X," WE

WON'T SEE "Y" NEXT WEEK, IN A YEAR, THAT IT IS A LONG-TERM

PROCESS, BECAUSE I -- WE'VE ALL BEEN BURNED, AND I THINK

THAT'S WHY THERE'S SO MUCH DISTRUST, WELL, THEY SAID THIS

WOULD HAPPEN, AND, LOOK, IT NEVER HAPPENED --

>>RON BARTON: RIGHT.

>>KAY DOUGHTY: -- AND THEY PROMISED US THIS AND [INAUDIBLE]

>>RON BARTON: RIGHT.

>>SPENCER KASS: ONE VERY, VERY QUICK THING.

ARE YOU ALSO COVERING INSIDE OF THE CITIES OR ARE YOU JUST

DOING THE COUNTY AREAS?

>>RON BARTON: THE ENTIRE COUNTY.

>>SPENCER KASS: THE ENTIRE COUNTY?

>>RON BARTON: YEAH.

WE'LL BE WORKING WITH BOB McDONOUGH AND THE CITY.

I MEAN, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO REINVENT THE WHEEL, BUT WE KNOW

THAT OUR JOB CENTERS ARE ALSO DOWNTOWN AND WESTSHORE, WHILE

THOSE ARE IN THE CITY.

>>JAY VICKERS: ANYTHING ELSE?

I HAD JUST ONE STATEMENT AND ONE FOLLOW-UP QUESTION.

THE STATEMENT IS JUST TO ECHO GAYE'S POINT ABOUT BEING

REALISTIC, I LIKED YOUR REALISTIC AND I THINK YOU USED

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INTELLECTUAL WHEN SETTING THE PROJECTIONS.

I THINK EVERYBODY STARTS OUT THAT WAY, BUT ONCE YOU HAVE TO

PITCH THIS POLITICALLY TO GET THIS GOING, THAT'S WHERE THE

PUFFERY COMES INTO PLAY, AND THERE'S A REALISM IN TRYING TO

HAVE AN IDEA WITH SOME -- BASED IN INTELLECTUAL THOUGHT,

TRYING TO GET THAT PASSED AND IN.

THAT'S WHEN THE PUFFERY COMES IN, BUT AS YOU SEE, WE

REMEMBER THOSE THINGS, AND I DO THINK IT CREATES A DISTRUST.

I THINK THE TAMPA STADIUM IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF HOW THAT

STILL --

>> [INAUDIBLE]

>>JAY VICKERS: -- YOU HEAR THE MOANS AND GROWNS NOW.

IT'S BEEN HERE FOR A LONG TIME NOW, AND WE'RE STILL NOT SURE

IF IT HAD THE IMPACT THEY SAID THEY WOULD BECAUSE NO FOLLOW-

UP STUDIES ARE DONE.

I THINK THE RNC'S ANOTHER --

>>KAY DOUGHTY: I WAS ABOUT TO SAY THE REPUBLICAN

NATIONAL --

>>JAY VICKERS: YEAH.

THE RNC'S ANOTHER GREAT EXAMPLE.

YOU KNOW, WE'VE ASKED THAT -- I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL EVER

ACTUALLY SEE THAT, SO THE IDEA THAT -- YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE

IN A BUSINESS, THERE'S AN ROI ON A PROJECT, AND ONCE THAT --

THIS IS WHAT WE EXPECT THE PROJECT TO DO.

THREE YEARS LATER YOU EVALUATE IT, FIVE YEARS, TEN YEARS

LATER, YOU EVALUATE IT, SO I THINK THERE'S TWOFOLDS, ONE IS

REDUCE THE PUFFERY, WHICH I KNOW YOU'RE ALL FOR, WHICH IS

GREAT, AND SECOND OF ALL, IN THE INITIAL PLANNING OF THESE

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THINGS, PUT IN SPECIFIC RENEWALS -- OR NOT REALLY RENEWALS,

REVIEWS, PUT IN SPECIFIC REVIEWS, THOUGH, IN THREE YEARS WE

ARE GOING TO RELEASE A WHITE PAPER THAT SAYS -- THAT JUDGES

IT ON THESE FIVE FACTORS.

NOW, SOME OF THOSE MAY HAVE CHANGED AND MY NOT BE

IRRELEVANT, BUT THAT SHOULD AT LEAST BE ADDRESSED IN THAT

FOLLOW-UP, AND I THINK IF YOU PUT THAT TYPE OF STRUCTURED

FOLLOW-UP IN THE INITIAL PLAN, THAT'S HOW YOU CAN BUILD

PUBLIC TRUST OVER THE LONG-TERM, SO I THINK THAT'S

IMPORTANT.

THE SECOND THING IS IN GAYE'S COMMENT ABOUT USING SEATTLE AS

AN EXAMPLE OF, YOU KNOW, HOW DID THEY GET MICROSOFT AND HOW

ALL THAT WORKED, I'VE SPENT SOME TIME THERE.

I'M A LITTLE FAMILIAR WITH HOW IT WORKED.

THEY HAD BOEING TO START OUT WITH, AND THEN THEY WENT FROM

THERE TO MICROSOFT, AND THAT WAS JUST RIGHT PLACE, RIGHT

TIME, THEN COMES AMAZON, THEN COMES STARBUCKS, AND IT ALL

KIND OF ROLLS FROM THERE.

AND THINKING ABOUT IT, IT LOOKS -- IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE THEY

GOT -- THEY HAD WHALES, THEY HAD REALLY BIG ORGANIZATIONS TO

START WITH, BOEING THEY HAD ENOUGH WHITE-COLLAR AND BLUE-

COLLAR MIXTURE JOBS TO BUILD A VERY FIRM, SUSTAINABLE BASE.

MICROSOFT WAS ABLE TO PULL OFF OF THAT, BUT THEN THEY

RECRUITED WORLDWIDE TO BRING DEVELOPERS INTO SEATTLE, WHICH

BROUGHT MORE BUSINESSES, NOT THE HIGH-PAYING JOBS BUT THE --

ALL THE SUPPORTING JOBS THAT COME ALONG WITH THOSE, AND SO

IN YOUR ECONOMIC POLICY GOING FORWARD, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR

WHALES?

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I KNOW YOU'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT THEM, BUT ARE YOU

FOCUSING -- IS THAT THE PRIMARY POINT OF YOUR PROGRAM IS TO

TRY TO FIND THESE BIG ORGANIZATIONS, BRING THAT NEXT

MICROSOFT HERE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE IT BE THE CATALYST FOR

CHANGE, OR WHILE WE'RE LOOKING FOR THAT, WE'RE GOING TO TRY

TO BUILD A MORE SUSTAINABLE --

>>RON BARTON: RIGHT.

>>JAY VICKERS: -- ECONOMY ACROSS ALL LEVELS.

>>RON BARTON: OKAY.

GLAD YOU ASKED THAT.

CAN YOU PUT THE OTHER SLIDE UP NOW?

[LAUGHTER]

>>JAY VICKERS: WE'RE RUNNING OVER, RON, SO WHENEVER YOU'RE

DONE, YOU'RE DONE.

>>RON BARTON: I'LL BE REAL QUICK.

>>JAY VICKERS: YOU WANT TO BE -- YOU CAN BE DONE WHENEVER

YOU WANT TO BE DONE, LET ME PUT IT THAT WAY.

>>RON BARTON: I'LL SPEND ALL DAY WITH YOU.

I'M GOOD.

[LAUGHTER]

YOU KNOW, WE GOT THROUGH THE WORKSHOP YESTERDAY, SO -- IS

THAT BLURRY JUST TO ME?

>> JUST TO YOU.

>>RON BARTON: OKAY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

THE ANSWER IS -- AND THIS IS WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE

BOARD YESTERDAY IS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED A DIVERSE AND HONEST

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STRATEGY ABOUT HOW WE APPROACH OUR ECONOMY, AND SO I THINK

THIS GRAPHIC KIND OF CAPTURES A LOT OF CONVERSATION.

I'M WEDDED TO IT BECAUSE I DID IT, BUT I DO THINK IN ONE

PAGE -- BECAUSE YOU CAN HIRE SOMEBODY FOR $500,000 TO WRITE

YOU A STRATEGY PLAN, BUT JUST LIKE THE EDA SLIDES WERE ABOUT

STARTING A FRAMEWORK, WELL, THIS IS A FRAMEWORK FOR ECONOMIC

DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY, AND THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS WE NEED

TO BE APPLIED IN ALL ASPECTS OF OUR ECONOMY.

LET ME WALK YOU THROUGH THE SLIDE BECAUSE I HOPE YOU'LL FIND

SOME VALUE IN IT.

THE DEVIL'S ALWAYS IN THE DETAILS, WHICH IS NOT IN A GRAPHIC

LIKE THIS, BUT IT HAS A VISION.

IT TALKS ABOUT ECONOMIC PROSPERITY.

AND TO -- IS IT GAYE -- TO GAYE'S POINT, ECONOMIC

PROSPERITY'S RELATIVE TO THE PERSON; RIGHT?

SO THERE'S NO VALUE STATEMENT HERE.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: [INAUDIBLE]

>>RON BARTON: THAT'S RIGHT.

SO IT'S ABOUT PROSPERITY FOR ALL OF OUR CITIZENS.

THAT'S THE VISION; RIGHT?

THE OUTCOMES, LET ME TRANSLATE THOSE THREE BOXES, PRODUCTIVE

GROWTH AND IMPROVEMENT, THINK OF THAT BOX AS BUSINESS, OKAY.

SO WE WANT OUTCOMES IN THE BUSINESS WORLD.

THE MIDDLE BOX IS INCLUSIVE GROWTH AND IMPROVEMENT.

THOSE ARE OUR CITIZENS.

WE WANT OUTCOMES FOR OUR CITIZENS.

AND THEN SUSTAINABLE GROWTH AND IMPROVEMENT IS OUR

RESOURCES.

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THAT'S LAND AND IT'S MONEY.

SO THINK ABOUT OUTCOMES RELATED TO OUR RESOURCES.

SO THAT'S -- THAT'S PART OF OUR STRATEGY; RIGHT?

IT ISN'T ANY ONE THING, IT'S OUR CITIZENS, IT'S OUR

BUSINESSES, AND OUR RESOURCES.

AND THEN WHAT ARE THE DRIVERS?

HOW DO WE MAKE THINGS HAPPEN, YOU KNOW?

AND YOU CAN PARSE THESE CATEGORIES ANY WAY YOU WANT, BUT

THEY'RE AT LEAST 90% ACCURATE.

AND I'M NOT GOING TO START WITH THE TOP LEFT ONE BECAUSE I'M

GOING TO END WITH THAT.

THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TODAY.

COMPETITIVE SITES AND REDEVELOPMENT.

IT'S ABOUT USING OUR LAND AND SOME OF OUR REUSE OF OUR LAND

SO THAT THE ANSWER ISN'T ALWAYS GOING FURTHER OUT, OKAY, AND

GUESS WHAT COMES WITH FURTHER OUT, CONFLICT WITH

COMMUNITIES, EXTENDING YOURSELF FINANCIALLY ON

INFRASTRUCTURE WHEN YOU CAN'T AFFORD IT, OKAY, SO THESE

THINGS ARE ALL CONSISTENT WITH, I THINK, THE VALUES OF A LOT

OF US ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW TO DO THAT.

TECHNOLOGY AND INNOVATION, TALKING ABOUT DRIVERS, YOU KNOW,

AND RECOGNIZE THAT'S NEVER FUNDAMENTALLY BEEN A PART OF OUR

STRATEGY, YOU KNOW, OF CAN THAT BE A DRIVER FOR US.

SMALL BUSINESS, ENTREPRENEURIALS, STARTUPS, THAT'S IMPORTANT

TO OUR ECONOMY, SO IT'S NOT JUST THE WHALE, IT'S THE MINNOW,

AND THAT'S REALLY RECOGNIZING THAT.

INFRASTRUCTURE, BACK TO INFRASTRUCTURE, IT IS A CORE

GOVERNMENT SERVICE, ROADS AND UTILITIES THAT MAKE US A

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BETTER COMMUNITY.

THAT'S WHAT YOU, FRANKLY, EXPECT GOVERNMENT TO DO AND DO

WELL.

ECONOMIC GATEWAYS, THAT'S PORT, AIRPORT, THOSE ARE PORTALS,

PORTALS FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN AND OUT BUT ALSO PORTALS FOR

ECONOMIC CHANGE, AND MacDILL COULD BE A PORTAL.

FRANKLY, OUR UNIVERSITY SYSTEM IS A PORTAL, SO THINK OF IT

THAT WAY.

BOTTOM LEFT, QUALITY PLACES.

THERE'S NOT AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPER IN THE COUNTRY THAT WON'T

TELL YOU THAT THEY CAN'T LAND ANYTHING IF THEY DON'T HAVE A

QUALITY PLACE TO SELL, OKAY, AND I SAID THIS AT THE ECONOMIC

PROSPERITY COMMITTEE.

YOU'LL HAVE NO BIGGER ADVOCATE FOR KEEPING QUALITY OF PLACE

THAN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TEAMS BECAUSE WE START WITH THAT.

YOU KNOW, WE HAD A COMPETITOR -- YOU CAN CUT ME OFF TOO WHEN

YOU WANT.

WE HAVE A COMPETITOR THAT WAS IN TOWN AND WE WERE COMPETING

AGAINST OKLAHOMA, YOU KNOW, AND SO WE DIDN'T DO WHAT I

WANTED TO DO, WHICH WAS CONDUCT THE MEETING ON A BOAT IN THE

BAY, WHICH IS WHAT WE DID IN JACKSONVILLE.

BELIEVE IT OR NOT, WE HAD AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT NAVY, AND

SO IT WAS SOME OF THE -- FIVE OR SIX OF THE TOP CEOs -- AS

YOU COULD GUESS, THEY HAVE SOME BOATS, AND THAT'S OKAY.

WHAT THEY SAID IS ANY TIME YOU WANT ONE, YOU'VE GOT IT, AND

WE TOOK THEM UP AND DOWN THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER, WENT OUT TO

THE INTERCOASTAL WATERWAY AT MAYPORT, AND WE DID THAT ALL

THE TIME, AND WE CONDUCTED OUR BUSINESS MEETING RIGHT THERE,

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BECAUSE, WHAT, DOES OKLAHOMA HAVE THAT?

NO.

NOW, THE BEST -- NEXT BEST THING IS AT LEAST STICK THEM IN A

WINDOW WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT TAMPA BAY, BUT THAT'S AN

EXAMPLE, WE SELL QUALITY OF PLACE, AND THE BETTER QUALITY

PLACE WE HAVE, THE LESS INCENTIVES WE WILL EVENTUALLY HAVE

TO DO.

I DO BELIEVE THAT.

I DON'T BELIEVE WE'LL ELIMINATE IT, BUT I DO BELIEVE WE CAN

SELL OTHER THINGS.

TARGETED INDUSTRIES, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT, SO THEY'RE NOT

NECESSARILY THE WHALES, BUT THERE ARE -- THAT'S THE BRISTOL-

MYERS SQUIBB'S, THAT'S THE AMAZON.COM.

BUT WE ALSO LAND, YOU KNOW, DEALS THAT ARE ONLY 100 OR 50

PEOPLE.

OOH, SORRY.

CONVENTION TOURISM AND SPORTS I DID AS A SEPARATE BUBBLE

BECAUSE THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THIS GOVERNMENT IS ENGAGED

IN THAT TOPIC, SO --

[LAUGHTER]

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: GOD HELP US.

>>RON BARTON: -- YOU CAN HAVE -- AGAIN, YOU CAN HAVE YOUR

OPINION ON ANY ONE OF THESE BUBBLES, BUT IT'S THERE, IT'S

DONE, WE'RE IN, SO IT'S -- THE QUESTION TO CONTINUE TO ASK

IS, OKAY, WHAT DO WE GET FOR IT, SO THAT'S A VERY FAIR

QUESTION.

WORKFORCE AND KNOWLEDGE INFRASTRUCTURE, WE ARE NOT GOING TO

MOVE FORWARD -- TALKING ABOUT OUR TEACHERS, WE'RE NOT GOING

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TO MOVE FORWARD UNLESS WE HAVE SMARTER PEOPLE THAT ARE MORE

ATTUNED TO THE WORLD AND THE FUTURE, AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN

WRING OUR HANDS ABOUT OUR GLOBAL EDUCATIONAL PROBLEMS OR WE

CAN JUST KEEP LEANING INTO THE WIND AND RECOGNIZE THAT THAT

IS PROBABLY THE SINGLE DIFFERENCE MAKER.

IF WE WOKE UP 20 YEARS FROM NOW -- TALK ABOUT BROKEN

PROMISES, THE LOTTERY MONEY WAS SUPPOSED TO ENHANCE

EDUCATION.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: [INAUDIBLE]

>>RON BARTON: SO ANYWAY -- SEE, I HAVE MY OWN OPINIONS TOO.

[LAUGHTER]

COMPETITIVE POSITIONING, THAT'S ABOUT MARKETING.

IF WE DO A GOOD JOB OF MARKETING, SOMETIMES WE DON'T HAVE TO

BAIT THE INCENTIVE SIDE AS MUCH, SO IT'S ABOUT TELLING --

AND WE TELL THE EDC THIS ALL THE TIME, HONE YOUR MARKETING

MESSAGE.

WHY IS IT A BUSINESS CAN BE VERY SUCCESSFUL HERE AND LESSEN

THE CONVERSATION ABOUT INCENTIVES?

YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE VERY LAST CONVERSATION WE HAVE, IT'S

NOT THE FIRST, OKAY, SO THERE ARE OTHER THINGS, BUT THOSE

BUBBLES CAN -- CAN HAVE A LOT OF DETAIL, BUT THOSE ARE

DRIVERS.

SO MY POINT IS SHOULDN'T WE BE FOCUSED ON ALL OF THEM, NOT

JUST ONE OF THEM?

BUT WE CAN'T JUST DO IT OURSELVES, SO THAT'S -- THE NEXT

LITTLE THING DOWN THERE IS CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIPS AND

PARTNERSHIPS.

THESE ARE FORCE MULTIPLIERS BECAUSE RON BARTON CAN'T DO IT

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BY HIMSELF, JAY CAN'T DO IT BY HIMSELF, IT'S ALL OF US

TOGETHER, AND SO PARTNERS -- OR WHAT DO I MEAN BY PARTNERS?

UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA, UT, HCC, THOSE ARE PARTNERS,

WHAT, IN WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT AND EDUCATION, PORT AND

AIRPORT, THOSE PORTALS, THOSE ARE PARTNERS, AND THEN WE HAVE

CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIPS.

THE EDC IS A CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIP.

THE COUNTY CONTRIBUTES DOLLARS TO THEIR ACTIVITIES.

NOW, WE LEVERAGE IT WITH THE CITY MONEY, WE LEVERAGE IT WITH

A LOT OF PRIVATE-SECTOR MONEY, SO THAT'S A CONTRACTUAL

RELATIONSHIP, BUT THE ACCOUNTABILITY QUESTION YOU'VE ASKED

ME ABOUT, THOSE CONTRACTS NEED TO CONTINUE TO HAVE OUTCOMES,

AND THAT'S THE ONE THING I THINK THIS GOVERNMENT HAS DONE

WELL.

I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF, BUT I CAN SEE

THAT THERE'S BEEN A BIG CHANGE FROM HERE'S YOUR MONEY TO

WHAT IS IT YOU DO FOR US?

NOW IT'S NOT JUST WHAT DO YOU DO FOR US, WE WANT YOU TO DO

SOMETHING RELATED TO OUR STRATEGY.

WE'RE NOT PAYING YOU TO DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, WE'RE PAYING

YOU TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S RELATED TO OUR STRATEGY.

AND THE BOARD REALLY -- I THINK YOU'VE SEEN THIS.

THE BOARD IS REALLY STARTING TO THINK THAT WAY ABOUT, WELL,

LET'S MAKE SURE OUR PARTNERS ARE EXECUTING WHAT WE WANT.

NOW, IF THERE'S COMMONALITY OF THEIR MISSION TO WHAT WE

WANT, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO DICTATE TO THEM, BUT THERE ARE

TIMES IN WHICH YOU WANT TO SAY NO, WE WANT YOU TO DO ONE,

TWO, THREE, NOT SEVEN, EIGHT, NINE, SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO

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THAT TOO.

SO THAT'S -- YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY LONGWINDED WAY OF ANSWERING

YOUR QUESTION, WHICH IS WE ARE FOCUSED ON ALL OF IT, SO

WE'RE FOCUSED ON START-UPS.

WE HAVE TO BE MEASURED ABOUT OUR ENGAGEMENT ON STARTUPS.

LOTS OF PEOPLE WANT US TO GET INTO THE LENDING BUSINESS.

I WILL NEVER, EVER, AS LONG AS I'M HERE, BE INVOLVED IN

THAT.

IT'S NOT BECAUSE IT'S NOT -- ACCESS TO CAPITAL IS IMPORTANT,

IT'S THE FACT THAT GOVERNMENT SHOULDN'T BE LENDING THERE,

ESPECIALLY STARTUPS, THE HIGHEST RISK, OKAY, BUT WHAT WE

HAVE FOUND IN OUR ENGAGEMENT WITH A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT

START NEW BUSINESSES IS THAT THEY'VE EVEN TOLD US, IT'S NOT

ALWAYS ABOUT MONEY, IT'S ABOUT NETWORK, IT'S ABOUT GET ME

CUSTOMERS, YOU KNOW, HELP ME GET CUSTOMERS, WHICH GOVERNMENT

ACTUALLY CAN DO.

AND EVEN THE INCLUSIONARY ISSUE, THE MBE PROGRAMS AND SBE

PROGRAMS, THEY'RE IN OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SHOP, I SPEND

A LOT OF TIME ON THAT, AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO UP THE

ANTE ON WHAT WE DO IN THE SMALL BUSINESS WORLD, AND SO MY

ANSWER IS THAT WE SHOULD DO IT ALL AND WE ARE, AND WE EITHER

DO IT THROUGH OUR OWN DEVICES OR WE DO IT THROUGH

PARTNERSHIPS OR CONTRACTS.

>>JAY VICKERS: DEBORAH.

>>KAY DOUGHTY: AND THERE'S METRICS ON THE SLIDE.

>>RON BARTON: AND YOU LIKED IT, DIDN'T YOU?

SEE.

YOU HAVE TO MEASURE YOURSELF OR YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE

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GOING, AND SO -- YOU KNOW, I THINK BACK TO A CONVERSATION

THAT WE'VE HAD.

LET'S BE HONEST ABOUT WHAT THE METRICS ARE BECAUSE THE ONE

THING YOU LEARN IS IF YOU RAISE THE BAR TOO HIGH, ON A HIGH

JUMP YOU TEND TO JUST RUN INTO IT WITH YOUR FOREHEAD, SO

LET'S BE HONEST ABOUT WHAT YOU CAN DO, AND THEN THE SECOND

IS IT'S EXPECTATIONS.

THAT'S THE ONE THING I LEARNED IN THE REDEVELOPMENT WORLD IS

OVERSELLING NEVER HELPS, AND SO IT'S SETTING EXPECTATIONS

ABOUT REASONABLE OUTCOMES, AND THEN IF YOU HIT THEM, THEN

GREAT, THEN YOU START OVER.

WOULDN'T YOU RATHER BE SUCCESSFUL THAN FAIL, EVEN IF THE

OUTCOMES ARE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN?

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: I HAVEN'T SEEN TOO MUCH SUCCESS, SO YOU'RE

ASKING THE WRONG --

>>RON BARTON: WELL, I'M WORKING ON IT FOR YOU, AT LEAST IN

THIS ARENA.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUSINESSES THAT PEOPLE

HAVE LOST THEIR PENSIONS AND --

>>RON BARTON: RIGHT.

WELL, LISTEN, IT'S BEEN PAINFUL FOR EVERYBODY.

YOU KNOW, THE GREAT RECESSION, WHICH IT WAS, WAS, YOU KNOW,

DEVASTATING.

HOME OWNERSHIP, BUSINESSES, PSYCHE, OUR CONFIDENCE IN OUR

GOVERNMENT AND OURSELVES AND THE WORLD --

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: IRAs.

>>RON BARTON: -- YOU KNOW, SO -- I'LL JUST -- YOU KNOW,

MY -- EVERYBODY HAS CONTEXT.

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MY CONTEXT IS I WAS RAISED BY PARENTS THAT GREW UP IN THE

DEPRESSION, AND MY DAD WAS IN THE CCCs, SO I BELIEVE

GOVERNMENT IS GOOD AND I BELIEVE GOVERNMENT CAN DO GOOD

THINGS FOR PEOPLE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT MY PARENTS TAUGHT ME,

AND SO MY PHILOSOPHY SERVING YOU AND THIS COUNTY IS THAT WE

CAN DO GOOD THINGS, SO THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE.

>>DEBORAH COPE: RON, ONE QUESTION ABOUT -- YOU WERE TALKING

ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT WORKFORCE IS AND THE COMMENT ABOUT THE

LOTTERY, AND I GUESS IT GETS BACK TO MY QUESTION ABOUT HOW

DO YOU GATHER THIS INFORMATION?

FOR INSTANCE, LIKE I'VE BEEN AN I.T. CONSULTANT FOR, LIKE,

20 YEARS.

NOT ANYMORE BECAUSE I'M DONE TRAVELING, BUT MY COMMUTE WAS

OUT OF TIA EVERY WEEK BECAUSE THERE ARE NO JOBS HERE.

I MEAN, THERE ARE A FEW, THERE ARE A FEW, BUT THERE WERE

MANY OF US ON THAT MONDAY OUT FLIGHT COMING BACK ON THURSDAY

NIGHT TO GO TO WORK BECAUSE WE WERE IN I.T. AND YOU COULDN'T

GET A -- YOU COULDN'T WORK HERE.

>>RON BARTON: RIGHT.

>>DEBORAH COPE: AND SO HOW DO YOU -- BUT HOW DO YOU KNOW

THAT, HOW DO YOU KNOW I EXIST?

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

IT'S LIKE I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT -- HOW DO WE KNOW HOW

MANY OF US THERE ARE, BECAUSE I WONDER.

I MEAN, I SAW THEM ALL GET ON THE PLANE, BUT HOW MANY OF US

ARE THERE THAT DO THAT OR DID THAT?

>>RON BARTON: RIGHT.

>>DEBORAH COPE: THAT IF THERE WERE -- A COMPANY WANTS TO

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COME HERE BECAUSE OF THE WORKFORCE, BUT -- WE HAVE IT, BUT

HOW DO WE KNOW WE HAVE IT, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

>>RON BARTON: RIGHT.

YEP, I KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN.

I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER, BUT I MENTIONED TO YOU THAT THE

MIRROR TO OUR SITE ANALYSIS WAS A MORE PENETRATING LOOK AT

OUR WORKFORCE AND WHO WE ARE.

I HOPE IN A YEAR I'LL ACTUALLY COME BACK AND SAY -- YOU

KNOW, HOW MUCH MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE WE ARE ABOUT THAT.

I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE GROUP THAT WE'VE, YOU KNOW,

ENGAGED IN THIS CONVERSATION IS DOING WORK FOR THE WORKFORCE

BOARD AT THE STATE LEVEL.

WHEN WE SPENT AN HOUR WITH THEM TELLING THEM HOW WE WANTED

TO NOT ONLY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU JUST ASKED IN OUR COMMUNITY

AND THEN HOW WE WANT TO RELATE IT TO THE SITES, YOU KNOW,

THEY GOT EXCITED.

THESE ARE -- THESE ARE CONSULTANTS, OBVIOUSLY, THAT ARE

KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT WORKFORCE DATA, AND THEIR POINT WAS, YOU

KNOW, YOU ARE THE FIRST COMMUNITY THAT'S EVER ASKED THAT

QUESTION, THAT WANTS TO KNOW IT AT THAT GRANULAR LEVEL AND

THEN WANTS TO RELATE IT TO YOUR LAND -- LAND DECISIONS, AND

SO I THINK IT'S EXCITING STUFF BECAUSE WE -- WE CAN COMBINE

THE TWO AND NOW WE HAVE POWER AND KNOWLEDGE, AND -- AND NOW

WE CAN HELP A COMPANY UNDERSTAND -- NOW, IT'S IRONIC -- I

WILL TELL YOU THIS, YOU'RE RIGHT, BUT WHEN -- WHEN THEY COME

IN, THEY SAY WE HAVE AN I.T. SHORTAGE, YOU KNOW, AND SO THE

QUESTION IS IS THAT INFORMATION MAYBE NOT ACCURATE, AND IT

COULD BE, SO WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT BETTER BECAUSE

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THERE'S CONFLICTING, YOU KNOW, EVIDENCE ASSOCIATED WITH

THAT.

BUT, YOU KNOW, LISTEN, YOU PICK UP A PAPER AND BUSINESSES IN

NEW YORK SAY THERE'S AN I.T. SHORTAGE IN NEW YORK, CAN'T GET

WHO I WANT.

>>DEBORAH COPE: THERE'S AN H1B SHORTAGE BECAUSE WE WANT TO

PAY PEOPLE A LOT LESS MONEY TO DO THOSE JOBS, AND THAT'S --

>>RON BARTON: RIGHT.

>>DEBORAH COPE: -- THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE DON'T GET

THOSE JOBS NECESSARILY, BUT --

>> LOW QUALITY.

>>DEBORAH COPE: LOW QUALITY.

ACTUALLY, LOW PAY.

>>RON BARTON: NOW, GAYE --

>>DEBORAH COPE: LET'S PUT IT LOW PAY.

WHO'S CHEAPER?

>>RON BARTON: -- GAYE, YOU REMEMBER NOW, I'VE NOT USED

THAT TERM SINCE YOU --

>>DEBORAH COPE: WHO'S CHEAPER?

>>RON BARTON: -- TOLD ME, BUT YOU WERE USING IT.

>>DEBORAH COPE: NO MORE.

DON'T SAY THAT ANYMORE.

>>RON BARTON: IXNAY, NIXNAY.

>>JAY VICKERS: ONE SECOND.

I JUST HAVE A COMMENT.

I'VE BEEN IN THE I.T. INDUSTRY ALSO IN CENTRAL AND SOUTH

FLORIDA MY ENTIRE CAREER, 25 YEARS NOW, AND WE HIRE

DEVELOPERS, AND WE CAN'T FIND I.T. PEOPLE.

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THIS IS THE WORST MARKET THAT I HAVE BEEN IN FOR I.T.

PROFESSIONALS.

THEY ARE EXTREMELY --

>>DEBORAH COPE: BECAUSE EVERYBODY LEFT.

>>JAY VICKERS: YEAH, THEY'RE EXTREMELY --

>>DEBORAH COPE: NO, IT'S TRUE.

>>JAY VICKERS: YEAH.

THEY'RE EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO FIND.

IT'S THE HARDEST MARKET TO HIRE IN, AND SO YOU END UP IN A

SITUATION WHERE DO YOU OUTSOURCE, DO YOU OFFSHORE OR

INSHORE, BECAUSE IT'S A CHALLENGING SPACE, AND THE CONUNDRUM

FOR ME HAS BEEN -- USF HAS A COMPUTER SCIENCES PROGRAM, BUT

WE -- YOU CAN PUT ADVERTISEMENTS FOR INTERNSHIPS OR TRY TO

HIRE NEW GRADUATES.

THEY'RE ALREADY GONE BY THE TIME THEY GRADUATE, SO I THINK

IT'S AN INTERESTING CONUNDRUM.

>>DEBORAH COPE: IT IS.

>>JAY VICKERS: VERY CHALLENGING I.T. --

>> IT IS.

>>JAY VICKERS: -- HIRING ENVIRONMENT HERE, AND I STILL

DON'T KNOW WHY, AND I'VE LIVED HERE ALMOST MY ENTIRE LIFE.

>>RON BARTON: WELL, BACK TO CRISTAN'S -- I MEAN, THAT'S

ALMOST INVARIABLY THE FIRST CONVERSATION WE SPEND WITH

COMPANIES, IT'S ALL ABOUT CAN I GET THE RIGHT PEOPLE.

>>JAY VICKERS: YEAH.

SPENCER.

>>SPENCER KASS: JUST TO END ON A NOTE OF THINGS WE CAN

AGREE ON, ON QUALITY PLACES, I HOPE YOU-ALL LISTEN TO WHAT

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WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS NEXT, WHICH IS OUR CONVERSATION ABOUT

LED STREETLIGHTS, UNDERGROUNDING, THINGS THAT MAKE THE AREA

PRETTIER, NICER, THINGS THAT COMPANIES LOOK FOR.

THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK THAT WE CAN PROBABLY GET

UNIVERSAL -- CLOSE TO UNIVERSAL AGREEMENT ON FOR THINGS THAT

DO HELP ATTRACT BUSINESSES TO COME HERE, SO I DON'T HEAR --

LOOK, I'M IN REAL ESTATE TOO AND PEOPLE COME HERE AND SAY,

OH, THIS AREA'S DUMPY.

AND WHY'S THIS AREA -- WHY DO PEOPLE LIKE WESTSHORE MORE

THAN THEY LIKE -- WELL, BECAUSE ALL THE POWER LINES ARE

UNDERGROUND AND IT LOOKS NICER.

YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE KIND OF THE VISUAL IMPACT THINGS YOU'RE

TALKING ABOUT, BUT THOSE ARE THINGS WHERE YOU COULD HEAR

THAT THIS GROUP'S BEEN WORKING ON, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO DO,

AND GOING BACK TO WHAT CRISTAN WAS TALKING ABOUT ABOUT, YOU

KNOW, HOW DO WE GET THESE AREAS TO ACCEPT THIS HIGHER-

DENSITY STUFF.

AN AREA I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO LOOK IS NORTH HYDE

PARK.

I MEAN, HERE'S AN AREA WHERE THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE HAVE

ACTIVELY WORKED WITH DEVELOPERS, THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF

RESIDENTIAL UNITS GOING UP, THE HOSPITAL HAS PLANS TO GO UP,

THEY'VE WORKED WITH THESE PEOPLE.

NOW, I'LL TELL YOU, AT THE END OF THE DAY ONE OF THE THINGS

THAT I DISCUSSED WITH THEM -- BECAUSE THEY HAD A LOT OF

MEETINGS AT MY OFFICES EVEN THOUGH I HAD NO FINANCIAL

INTEREST IN IT -- IS OUR CONVERSATION WE HAD ABOUT GETTING

THAT TAX MONEY REINVESTED BACK INTO THEIR COMMUNITIES, NOT

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AS A CRA, BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS

SORT OF THIS 10% RULE, YOU KNOW, WHERE SOME OF THAT PROPERTY

TAXES GOES BACK INTO COMMUNITIES, SO IF YOU'RE A COMMUNITY

WHO'S TAKING THIS HIGH-DENSITY STUFF, WELL, IT'S NOT ALL

GOING TO SOMEONE WHO HAS SOME POLITICAL CONNECTION OUT IN

THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE, AT LEAST SOME DEGREE OF IT'S GOING TO

HELP OFFSET ANY NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF THAT AND HELPING GROW

AND MAKE THAT COMMUNITY PROSPER, SO HERE'S AN AREA THAT'S

TAKEN MILLIONS, TENS OF MILLIONS, IF NOT HUNDREDS OF

MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF DEVELOPMENT IN THEIR AREA, BUT NOW

WHEN THEY GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL, THEY HEAR THINGS LIKE, WE

CAN'T AFFORD A BATHROOM FOR YOU FOR 20 GRAND, YOU KNOW, WE

CAN'T FIX THE STREET THAT FLOODS.

WELL, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AS PART OF I'M SURE WHAT YOU LOOK

AT, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU'LL HEAR US DISCUSSING

COMING FORWARD.

WE ALREADY HAD ONE DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSION AND

WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE -- I'M ABOUT TO HAVE ONE WITH THE CITY.

BUT I HOPE THOSE ARE THINGS THAT TOGETHER WE CAN ALL WORK ON

TOGETHER.

WE'D BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU ON THOSE KINDS OF THINGS AND

THE COUNTY AND WHOEVER ELSE WANTS TO WORK ON THEM.

>>JAY VICKERS: ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: THANK YOU.

>>JAY VICKERS: ALL RIGHT.

>>RON BARTON: THANK YOU.

>>JAY VICKERS: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

>>RON BARTON: I ENJOYED IT.

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>>JAY VICKERS: WE SINCERELY APPRECIATE IT.

>>RON BARTON: THANK YOU.

I HAVE TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THIS DISK OUT OF

HERE.

>>JAY VICKERS: I THINK NEXT UP FOR US IS A DISCUSSION OF

THE TECO RESPONSE.

I BELIEVE A COPY OF THAT LETTER SHOULD BE IN YOUR PACKET.

IT LOOKS LIKE THIS, I BELIEVE.

IS THIS -- YEP.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: [INAUDIBLE]

>>JAY VICKERS: FRONT AND BACK, AND I'LL GET TO -- THERE WAS

ALSO SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BEHIND IT.

NOT EVERYBODY RECEIVED A COPY OF THE DETAIL, IT WAS JUST --

IT LOOKED LIKE A PRINTOUT FROM ONE OF TECO'S STANDARD

LIGHTING SERVICES WEB SITES IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE, SO WE

DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT, JUST THE LETTER.

I THINK SPENCER GOT A COPY, I GOT A COPY.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: I DID.

>>JAY VICKERS: OF THE BACKUP MATERIAL?

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: YES, I DID.

>>JAY VICKERS: IS IT IN EVERYBODY'S PACKET, THE BACKUP?

NO?

OKAY.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: I READ IT TOO.

>>JAY VICKERS: ALL RIGHT.

SO WHAT EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE SEEN IS A LETTER FRONT AND

BACK.

>> JUST A NOTE, I DO HAVE ONE OR TWO EXTRA COPIES IF ANYONE

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DOES WANT IT.

>>JAY VICKERS: YEAH.

OR ANYBODY CAN LOOK AT MINE TO SEE WHAT THE BACKUP MATERIAL

WAS.

IT WAS STANDARD STUFF.

SO THIS IS TECO'S RESPONSE TO MR. MERRILL'S RESPONSE TO OUR

RESPONSE -- OUR REQUEST.

I BELIEVE I HAD THAT CHAIN OF EVENTS RIGHT.

>>SPENCER KASS: SO I THINK -- YOU WANT ME TO START THE

DISCUSSION?

>>JAY VICKERS: YEAH.

THIS MIGHT AS WELL BE LABELED SPENCER.

>>SPENCER KASS: SURE.

I THINK THE THINGS TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE LETTER IS, ONE, NOW

WE'RE ALL AT LEAST IN AGREEMENT THAT LED STREETLIGHTS ARE

AVAILABLE BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK IN THE BACKUP PACKET, YOU'LL

SEE THEY'RE LISTED, ALTHOUGH PERSONALLY I HAVE A CONCERN

WITH THE LUMENS OR THE FIXTURES THAT TECO SELECTED, BUT

THAT'S A CONVERSATION PROBABLY FOR ANOTHER DAY.

THE NEXT THING I WOULD DRAW EVERYONE'S ATTENTION TO IS UNDER

NUMBER 2 OF THEIR LETTER, A CONCERN I HAD WHEN I READ

THROUGH THIS IS IN THE SECOND PARAGRAPH THEY TALK ABOUT TEN

YEARS FROM DATE OF INSTALLATION ON THE TRADITIONAL FIXTURES.

THAT BASICALLY -- THE WAY I INTERPRET THIS IS THEY'RE

AMORTIZING THEIR FIXTURES OVER TEN YEARS AND THE RATE

THEY'RE CHARGING ON A MONTHLY BASIS TO THE COUNTY OR THE

CITY AFTER THAT TEN YEARS, YOU FULLY PAID IT OFF OTHERWISE.

AND SO THAT LEADS US TO THE QUESTION OF AS A COUNTY, I THINK

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THERE'S TWO THINGS WE NEED TO KNOW.

ONE IS WHERE ARE ALL OF OUR FIXTURES AND WHAT ARE THE AGES

OF ALL OF THEM, SO I GUESS TECO'S TRACKING IT BECAUSE THEY

CLAIM THEY ARE, SO I THINK WE MIGHT WANT TO REQUEST GETTING

THAT TRACKING DATA FROM THEM.

AND TWO IS IF WE'RE GOING TO GO FORWARD AND INSTALL MORE

LIGHTING FIXTURES IN AREAS, FOR EXAMPLE THE CITY OF TAMPA IS

LOOKING AT INSTALLING I THINK IT'S 8500 LIGHTING FIXTURES,

DO WE WANT TO BE TIED IN FOR TEN YEARS?

I MEAN, NOW WE HAVE TO KNOW THAT.

I'LL BE HONEST, THIS TEN-YEAR THING WAS THE FIRST TIME I'D

EVER HEARD ABOUT IT, AND I CONSIDER MYSELF FAIRLY

KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT THIS.

SO I'M ASSUMING THE COUNTY AND THE CITY PROBABLY DON'T KNOW

ABOUT IT EITHER.

WHICH MEANS YOU IF YOU GO IN AND YOU PUT IN A NEW FIXTURE

AND IT'S A TRADITIONAL FIXTURE, YOU'RE STUCK WITH IT FOR TEN

YEARS, AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE -- UNLESS YOU'RE

GOING TO PAY OFF THE DIFFERENCE TO UPGRADE IT, WHICH IS

GOING TO MAKE IT COMPLETELY COST-INEFFECTIVE.

>>JAY VICKERS: I THOUGHT THAT WAS -- I KNOW AT THE

COMMUNITY LEVEL, FOR INSTANCE, MY COMMUNITY, WE HAVE -- IT

WAS A 20-YEAR AGREEMENT WE HAD WITH TECO ON OUR LIGHTS, AND

IF WE REPLACE THEM WITH NEW LIGHTS, WE ENTER INTO A NEW

LEASE AGREEMENT AND WE HAVE TO PAY THAT FOR THE TERM, AND

THERE'S A BUY-OUT CLAUSE IF YOU WANT TO TERMINATE EARLY.

I THINK THAT'S TECO'S STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE WHEN

PUTTING IN LIGHTS.

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>>SPENCER KASS: RIGHT.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO -- I MEAN, I GUESS NOW WE'RE AT THE

POINT WHERE WE NEED TO, I GUESS, START HAVING SOME COUNTY

ANALYSIS OF A COUPLE THINGS.

ONE IS HOW DID TECO COME UP WITH THEIR NUMBERS FOR WHAT

THEY'RE CHARGING FOR THE LED FIXTURES, AND DO WE AS A COUNTY

AGREE WITH IT OR DISAGREE WITH IT.

I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING FOR BONNIE AND HER STAFF TO SIT

DOWN AND GO THROUGH AND SAY, YES THESE NUMBERS ARE RIGHT,

YOU KNOW, THAT IS WHAT THE LEASE PAYMENTS SHOULD BE BECAUSE

THEY'RE WORKING OUT ON THE HIGH-END ONES TO BE ABOUT $18,

$19 A MONTH, IF YOU READ THROUGH THAT, AND ON THE OTHER ONE,

IT'S, LIKE, TEN OR SEVEN, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO I THINK THERE'S AN ANALYSIS THAT THE COUNTY NEEDS TO DO.

THAT'S NOT REALLY FOR US.

LET BONNIE SIT DOWN AND GO THROUGH THAT AND LET THE COUNTY

PROVIDE -- START -- I MEAN, GETTING -- LET'S START FIGURING

OUT, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY OF THESE LIGHTING FIXTURES DO WE

HAVE, HOW OLD ARE THEY?

I MEAN, IF WE'RE SITTING HERE HAVING A CONVERSATION AND

EVERYTHING'S FOUR YEARS OLD, THERE'S NO POINT IN HAVING THE

CONVERSATION.

SO I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A DATA SET THAT WE REQUEST FROM THE

COUNTY OR LET THE COUNTY GET IT FROM TECO.

I'M ASSUMING THAT THE COUNTY PROBABLY DOESN'T HAVE IT, THAT

IT'S GOTTA COME FROM TECO.

AND THEN THE OTHER THING COMES DOWN TO BASICALLY, WELL --

BECAUSE, SEE, NOW I'M CONFUSED AGAIN BECAUSE WE HAD -- WE

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HAD COUNTY TRANSPORTATION ALSO SAY TO US THAT IT'S NOT

AVAILABLE AND YOU CAN'T DO IT UNDER FDOT STANDARDS, AND HERE

IT IS NOW IN THE TARIFF, SO ONCE AGAIN, SOMEBODY'S OFF

SOMEWHERE.

>>JAY VICKERS: AND I REMEMBER FROM MY RESEARCH ON THAT

TOPIC, YOU CAN GET AN EXCEPTION, SO IT IS NOT ON -- IT IS

NOT FDOT APPROVED, BUT EACH -- ANY MUNICIPALITY CAN ASK FOR

A WAIVER, AND USUALLY THE MANUFACTURER OF THE LED LIGHTS

WILL GET THE WAIVER ON YOUR BEHALF BECAUSE THEY WANT TO SELL

YOU THE LIGHTS, SO THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT LISTED ON FDOT'S

LIST DOESN'T MEAN YOU CANNOT DO IT, IT JUST SIMPLY MEANS YOU

HAVE TO GIVE A WAIVER, AND IN THAT YOU'RE NOT WAIVING,

BECAUSE IF YOU'LL REMEMBER THE REASON WHY, THE CITY GOES OFF

FDOT'S LIST IS BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO HIRE AN

ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE SAFE SO

THAT THEY ARE NOT SUED IF THERE'S AN ACCIDENT AND THE

LIGHTING IS WRONG, BUT -- SO IF YOU GET THIS EXEMPTION FROM

FDOT, IT DOES NOT -- YOU DON'T THEN ASSUME THAT LIABILITY,

IT'S LIKE FDOT APPROVAL.

>>SPENCER KASS: THAT'S FINE.

SO LET'S -- I THINK -- WHERE I THINK WE NEED TO GO IS JUST

TWO BASIC QUESTIONS.

ONE, LET BONNIE REVIEW THE NUMBERS AND HOW THEY CAME TO

THOSE NUMBERS, AND IF WE AGREE WITH THOSE NUMBERS OR

DISAGREE WITH THOSE NUMBERS AND HOW THAT WORKS.

I THINK THAT SHOULD BE ONE REQUEST.

I THINK THE SECOND REQUEST SHOULD BE THIS COMPREHENSIVE LIST

OF THE FIXTURES WE HAVE AND WHAT THE TIMELINES ARE -- HOW

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LONG HAVE WE BEEN PAYING ON THEM FOR BECAUSE IF THERE'S

NOTHING TO DISCUSS, THERE'S NOTHING TO DISCUSS.

>>JAY VICKERS: DO YOU THINK INSTEAD OF THE COMPREHENSIVE

LIST, PERHAPS WE COULD SEE IF THE COUNTY COULD LOOK AT A

PARTICULAR AREA OF TOWN WHERE THERE ARE 100 OR TWO -- A

COMMUNITY WHERE THERE ARE 100, 200 STREETLIGHTS THAT ARE

COMING UP FOR RENEWAL SOON AND TRY TO TARGET THAT AS AN LED

TEST BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE COUNTY HAD DONE WITH --

WAS IT -- NOT THE CANAL DREDGING, THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE,

THE UNDERLINING -- NO, WAS IT THE UNDERLINING OF UTILITIES

THAT BONNIE HAD MENTIONED THAT THEY --

>>SPENCER KASS: THEY'RE WORKING ON IT.

THEY HAVEN'T PASSED IT.

>>JAY VICKERS: YEAH, BUT THEY --

>>SPENCER KASS: YEAH, RIGHT.

>>JAY VICKERS: -- PICKED A SPECIFIC AREA --

>>SPENCER KASS: THAT'S FINE.

IF THEY CAN IDENTIFY THAT -- I MEAN, THE REASON I SAID FOR

EVERYBODY IS BECAUSE THEN I'M ALWAYS ACCUSED OF -- I DON'T

WANT TO PLAY FAVORITES.

I DON'T WANT TO BE ACCUSED OF SAYING, WELL, YOU KNOW,

SOMEBODY -- I MEAN, IF THEY'RE DOING IT STRICTLY ON THE

BASIS OF TIME, FINE, LET THEM PROVIDE US WITH ALL AREAS

WHERE THE TEN YEARS HAS EXPIRED, HOW ABOUT THAT?

>>JAY VICKERS: YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A CLEANER REQUEST --

>>SPENCER KASS: THAT'S FINE.

>>JAY VICKERS: -- USE THE TEN-YEAR TO IDENTIFY A GOOD PLACE

TO DO --

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>>SPENCER KASS: THAT'S FINE.

>>JAY VICKERS: -- A PILOT PROGRAM FOR THE LED

STREETLIGHTING.

>>SPENCER KASS: YEAH.

SO I THINK THOSE MIGHT BE TWO REASONABLE REQUESTS, AND I

THINK IT NEEDS TO ALSO JUST BE BROUGHT TO MR. MERRILL AND

EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION THAT THIS -- WE ARE ENTERING IN EVERY

TIME WE BUY ONE OF THESE A TEN-YEAR AGREEMENT, AND THAT

NEEDS TO SIT SOMEWHERE, BECAUSE AS THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, IF

THEY'RE HEAVY IN COST AND DOUBLING IN POWER EVERY YEAR OR

EVERY TWO YEARS FOR THE NEW FIXTURES TO BE TIED IN TO THE

OLD STUFF FOR TEN YEARS IS SOMETHING WE MAY OR MAY NOT WANT

TO DO, AND IF WE ARE GOING TO DO A TEST AREA, THEN PERHAPS

THAT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY OF TAKING THOSE OLD TEN-YEAR-

OLD STREETLIGHTS AND REUSING THEM ELSEWHERE AND NOT BEING

STUCK FOR ANOTHER TEN-YEAR LEASE BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN FULLY

PAID OFF.

>>JAY VICKERS: YEAH.

>>SPENCER KASS: SO THOSE ARE JUST THINGS WE MIGHT WANT TO

THINK ABOUT.

I THINK WE SHOULD PUT IN SOME SORT OF REQUEST [INAUDIBLE]

>>BARBARA ADERHOLD: I DIDN'T KNOW WE COULD RECYCLE THE

LIGHTS.

NOT A BAD IDEA.

>>SPENCER KASS: JUST THE FIXTURES.

YEAH, I BELIEVE -- I DON'T THINK -- I MEAN, MAYBE IT'S DONE

AFTER TEN YEARS AND MAYBE IT'S NOT DONE AFTER TEN YEARS.

I MEAN, SOME OF THEM WILL HAVE TO BE THROWN AWAY BECAUSE

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SOME OF THEM, I'M SURE, GOT TREATED A LITTLE MORE ROUGH AND

TUMBLE THAN OTHERS, BUT I THINK PROBABLY THERE'S AN

OPPORTUNITY TO REUSE THEM.

I DOUBT THEY SAY TEN YEARS AND TEN YEARS ON THE DOT THEY

THROW THEM IN THE TRASH.

>>JAY VICKERS: AND I KNOW FROM MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE IN MY

NEIGHBORHOOD WE'VE GOT STREETLIGHTS THROUGH TECO THAT ARE ON

A 20-YEAR LEASE.

THAT LEASE EXPIRED.

WE'RE ON A MONTH-TO-MONTH.

THEY'RE STILL NOT OUR LIGHTS, WE DO NOT OWN THEM.

TECO IS STILL RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTAINING THEM, BUT IF WE

WANT NEW LIGHTS, WE HAVE TO ENTER INTO A NEW MULTIYEAR

AGREEMENT, AND OUR LIGHTS ARE VERY OLD, AND SO THEY DON'T

HAVE THE PARTS FOR THEM ANYMORE, AND THERE'S THE ISSUE

ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, SO -- BUT THEY WANT US TO SIGN A NEW

AGREEMENT.

BUT WE DON'T -- WE STILL DON'T OWN THE LIGHTS.

EVEN AFTER YOU TERMINATE OUT OF YOUR 20-YEAR LEASE, YOU

DON'T OWN THE LIGHTS, YOU JUST SIMPLY CAN STOP PAYING THEM

AT ANY MOMENT AND THEY'LL COME REMOVE THEM.

>>SPENCER KASS: WELL, I GUESS THAT'S PART OF WHAT BONNIE'S

ANALYSIS NEEDS TO INCLUDE, THAT IF WE'RE PAYING THEM IN

FULL -- I DON'T KNOW IF WE ARE.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS, BUT IF

WE ARE PAYING THEM IN FULL, THEN THERE'S A QUESTION OF

SHOULD WE OWN THE ASSET OR WHY SHOULD WE LET THEM OWN THE

ASSET?

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LET BONNIE DO THE -- I MEAN, SHE'S VERY INTELLIGENT.

SHE CAN FIGURE THIS OUT.

>>JAY VICKERS: SO I IMAGINE IF WE REALLY WANT TO GET THIS

PILOT DONE IN ANY SORT OF REASONABLE TIME FRAME, WE WOULD

REQUEST THAT IT BE DONE IN THE SAME FRAMEWORK AND STRUCTURE,

WHICH THEY'D ALREADY HAVE A CONTRACT WITH TECO BECAUSE THEY

WANT TO NEGOTIATE A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WAY TO PRICE AND

MANAGE THESE, AND THAT'S JUST GOING TO SLOW THINGS DOWN.

>>SPENCER KASS: RIGHT.

NO, LET HER REVIEW THE NUMBERS AS IS.

>>JAY VICKERS: YEAH.

GAYE.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: UNLESS -- SOMETHING I READ IN THE

LETTER IS -- I'LL HAVE TO READ IT AGAIN.

WASN'T THERE THE OPTION TO OWN YOUR OWN STREETLIGHTS?

>>JAY VICKERS: THERE IS AN OPTION.

JUST, AGAIN, FROM MY EXPERIENCE, I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE THE

OPTION TO BUY THEM FROM TECO.

IT'S GENERALLY COST PROHIBITIVE BECAUSE THEN YOU TAKE

RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE WIRING, THE REWIRING, AND THE

MAINTENANCE AND SO FORTH, AND THE LEASE TENDS TO BE COST

ADVANTAGEOUS FOR ANY ORGANIZATION BECAUSE TECO MAINTAINS THE

WIRING AND INSTALLS THEM FOR THAT PRICE, AND IT'S BASICALLY

A LOAN AMORTIZED OVER 20 YEARS.

>>SPENCER KASS: RIGHT.

AND THEN AS MR. MERRILL SAID, IF BONNIE REVIEWS THESE

NUMBERS AND FEELS THAT THEY'RE NOT IN KEEPING WITH WHAT THEY

SHOULD BE, WE ALWAYS -- THE COUNTY, AT LEAST, ALWAYS HAS THE

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OPTION OF GOING OUT AND PUTTING OUT AN RFP OR RFQ AND

FINDING OTHER VENDORS WHO ARE PREPARED TO PROVIDE THEM AT A

LOWER RATE.

>>JAY VICKERS: ABSOLUTELY.

YEP.

ALL RIGHT.

>>SPENCER KASS: SO THAT'S A MOTION.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: BUT AREN'T BUSINESSES CONTRACT?

>> WHAT?

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: I MEAN, MOST -- I MEAN, I'M JUST USING --

ANALYZING IT.

WHEN TELEPHONES AND CELL PHONES AND -- IT JUST GOES ON AND

ON AND ON.

WHEN YOU GET THE SERVICE, YOU GO INTO CONTRACTS, AND SO THAT

JUST SEEMS TO BE THE NORM.

>>JAY VICKERS: YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S A BIG CAPITAL EXPENSE,

AND TECO'S, IN ESSENCE, FINANCING THAT -- THAT -- INCLUDING

MAINTENANCE.

>>SPENCER KASS: I'M ASSUMING WE COULD GET FEDERAL FUNDS FOR

THIS AND THERE ARE THESE FEDERAL PROGRAMS THAT WILL ALLOW US

TO DO IT.

THE QUESTION IS ARE THESE RATES IN KEEPING WITH WHAT THOSE

PROGRAMS WILL ALLOW, AND BONNIE HAS --

>>JAY VICKERS: ABSOLUTELY.

>>SPENCER KASS: [INDISCERNIBLE CROSS TALK]

>>KAY DOUGHTY: [INAUDIBLE]

>>JAY VICKERS: AND THOSE -- I WOULD ASSUME THAT THAT WOULD

REDUCE OUR LEASE COSTS OR MAYBE LEASE TERM --

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>>SPENCER KASS: RIGHT.

>>JAY VICKERS: -- FOR THAT IF THERE WAS FEDERAL SUBSIDIES

TO OFFSET THE INITIAL PURCHASE OF THAT EQUIPMENT.

>>SPENCER KASS: WHY DON'T WE GIVE HER 60 DAYS TO BRING US

BACK A COMPREHENSIVE ANALYSIS.

>>JAY VICKERS: ALL RIGHT.

SO -- WELL, LET'S MAKE SURE WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR IS -- ONE

IS TO HAVE -- I GUESS ASK THE COUNTY TO REVIEW THE -- THE

PRICING PROVIDED BY TECO FOR THE LED LIGHTS, AND SO ARE

WE -- WOULD THEY HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO VERIFY THAT THOSE

PRICING IS CORRECT BECAUSE I IMAGINE IF IT WAS ME AND YOU

ASKED ME, JAY, DO YOU THINK THESE PRICES ARE GOOD, I WOULD

START CALLING VENDORS AND I WOULD START ASKING QUESTIONS

ABOUT THE COSTS AND THE TYPES AND --

>>SPENCER KASS: I'M ASSUMING THAT WHEN -- YOU KNOW, SINCE

THIS HAD TO BE PASSED BY GOING TO THE --

>>JAY VICKERS: PUBLIC UTILITIES.

>>SPENCER KASS: -- PUBLIC UTILITY, THANK YOU, COMMISSION,

AND SINCE OUR RATES AND STUFF GO UP AND DOWN, BASED UPON

THAT, I'M ASSUMING THAT WE DO -- YOU KNOW, AND IT'S MILLIONS

OF -- I MEAN, THE CITY'S PAYING AN EXTRA MILLION DOLLARS IN

ELECTRICITY.

I'M ASSUMING THAT BEFORE ONE OF OUR VENDORS GOES TO INCREASE

PRICES LIKE THAT THAT WE ARE DOING A CONSTANT ONGOING

ANALYSIS.

LET'S WORK ON THAT ASSUMPTION FOR THE MOMENT, THAT WE'RE NOT

JUST SAYING, WELL, A VENDOR'S INCREASING PRICES AND WE'RE

SUCKING IT UP.

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I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S GOING TO WANT TO COME DOWN HERE AND

SAY THAT TO US.

>>JAY VICKERS: SO I THINK SPECIFICALLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING

FOR IS SINCE THIS -- I IMAGINE TECO'S VERY EFFICIENT AND

THERE'S A LOT OF TRANSPARENCY IN THE PRICING OF THEIR

TRADITIONAL LIGHTING FEATURES BECAUSE -- FIXTURES BECAUSE

THEY'VE BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG, LONG TIME, LOTS OF SCRUTINY.

LEDs ARE RELATIVELY NEW, THERE'S PROBABLY NOT AS MUCH

SCRUTINY, OR CERTAINLY NOT AS EFFICIENT PRICING MODELS FOR

THE LED STREETLIGHTS AS THERE ARE FOR TRADITIONAL --

>>SPENCER KASS: WELL, LET'S LET BONNIE TRY.

HOW ABOUT THIS, WE'LL LET HER TRY.

IF SHE DOESN'T GET ANYWHERE WITHIN 30 DAYS -- SHE DOESN'T

HAVE TO GET US A REPORT IN 30 DAYS, BUT LET HER -- GIVE HER

60 DAYS FOR THE EFFORT.

IF SHE DOESN'T GET ANYWHERE WITH GETTING THE INFORMATION SHE

NEEDS FROM TECO, SHE CAN TELL US IN 30 DAYS, AND THEN WE

CAN --

>>JAY VICKERS: OKAY.

>>SPENCER KASS: -- FIND SOME WAY TO --

>>JAY VICKERS: I'M GUESSING --

>>SPENCER KASS: TO REVIEW THE PRICING OF THE --

>>JAY VICKERS: VERIFY THE PRICING OF THE LED STREETLIGHTS.

>>SPENCER KASS: WELL, BECAUSE SHE CAN MAKE SENSE TO SEE IF

IT'S IN KEEPING WITH WHAT -- I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LEASE.

LOOK, YOU KNOW, YOU LEASE A CAR, YOU DO AN -- WELL, MOST

PEOPLE DO -- SOME PEOPLE DO AN ANALYSIS TO SEE IF IT MAKES

SENSE, YOU KNOW, HOW DID THEY ARRIVE AT THESE NUMBERS, ARE

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THEY REALISTIC.

>>JAY VICKERS: AND CERTAINLY, THEY SHOULD HAVE SOMEONE IN

PUBLIC WORKS THAT COULD CALL A FEW OTHER CITIES AND SEE WHAT

THEY'RE PAYING.

SO LET'S SEE, SO THE FIRST REQUEST IS TO ASK STAFF TO I

GUESS IT'S VERIFY THE ACCURACY OF THE LED PRICING.

>>SPENCER KASS: AND TO SEE IF IT'S FEASIBLE TO USE.

LET'S INCLUDE BOTH.

SO ONE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE LEASE RATE AND TWO IS --

>>JAY VICKERS: IS THE LED FIXTURE THAT'S LISTED THE RIGHT

ONE?

>>SPENCER KASS: RIGHT.

>>JAY VICKERS: OKAY.

IS THERE JUST ONE ON THERE, SPENCER, ARE THERE A COUPLE?

>>SPENCER KASS: NO, THERE'S A COUPLE.

>>JAY VICKERS: OKAY.

SO IS THERE A VIABLE -- ON TECO'S LIST IS THERE A VIABLE LED

OPTION THAT MEETS THE CITY'S -- OR MEETS THE COUNTY'S

STANDARDS, AND IS THE -- ARE THEY COMFORTABLE -- IS STAFF

COMFORTABLE WITH THE PRICING TECO'S PROVIDED FOR LED LIGHTS.

"COMFORTABLE'S" NOT THE RIGHT WORD.

>>KAY DOUGHTY: SATISFIED?

>>JAY VICKERS: IF IT APPEARS TO BE ACCURATE --

>> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, THE BETTER WAY -- DO THEY FEEL

THAT THOSE FIGURES ARE ACCURATE.

THAT'S PROBABLY --

>>JAY VICKERS: YES, THAT'S GOOD.

>>SPENCER KASS: AND ALSO WILL IT ALLOW FOR US TO GO FOR

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FEDERAL FUNDS FOR -- IN THE WAY THAT IT'S PRICED IN THIS

BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS NECESSARILY GOING TO WORK

IF WE WANT TO APPLY FOR THOSE GRANTS.

>>JAY VICKERS: OKAY.

SO -- AND THEN WE'LL PUT ON -- DOES THIS INCLUDE ANY

FEDERAL -- DOES THIS PRICING INCLUDE OR ALLOW FOR THE

FLEXIBILITY OF FEDERAL SUBSIDIES.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: WAIT A MINUTE.

ONE THING --

>>JAY VICKERS: GAYE.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: SPENCER.

>>SPENCER KASS: YEAH.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: WELL, AREN'T SOME OF YOUR FEDERAL GRANTS,

ESPECIALLY PRESERVATION GRANTS -- THEY HAVE, LIKE, MAIN

STREET USA AND --

>>SPENCER KASS: THERE ARE FEDERAL -- THERE ARE SPECIFIC

FEDERAL --

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: WELL, I'M SAYING --

>>SPENCER KASS: -- [INDISCERNIBLE CROSS TALK]

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: -- IF YOU GO LOOK WHERE THEY'VE DONE THE

MAIN STREET USA OR THE DIFFERENT PRESERVATION AREAS, THEY'VE

INCORPORATED LIGHTS AND THINGS, AND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING -- I

MEAN, THEY LOOK LIKE OLD STREETLIGHTS, BUT THEY HAVE MADE

THEM --

>>SPENCER KASS: RIGHT --

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: [INDISCERNIBLE CROSS TALK]

>>SPENCER KASS: -- AND THERE ARE OPTIONS HERE IN THIS --

>>JAY VICKERS: CORRECT.

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>>GAYE TOWNSEND: WELL, I WAS JUST BRINGING THAT UP TO

SAY THAT --

>>SPENCER KASS: OH, ABSOLUTELY.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: -- THAT IS AN OPTION, PARTICULARLY IN A

PLACE LIKE HYDE PARK.

>>SPENCER KASS: YEAH.

I'M MORE CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE WAY TECO HAS IT SCHEDULED TO

BE PAID FOR -- ARE YOU ABLE TO DO -- USE THAT SYSTEM FOR

THESE FEDERAL GRANTS BECAUSE SOMETHING MAKES ME THINK THE

FEDERAL GRANTS ARE MORE WE'LL GIVE YOU "X" NUMBER OF DOLLARS

TO BUY THE FIXTURE, SO --

>>JAY VICKERS: YEAH.

WHICH WOULD REDUCE THE LEASE RATES.

>>SPENCER KASS: WHICH CHANGES THE LEASE RATES, EXACTLY.

>>JAY VICKERS: RIGHT.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: AND ANOTHER QUESTION I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU,

IF, PER SE, THEY DO THIS, DO THE PEOPLE THAT DO NOT HAVE

STREETLIGHTS, PER SE -- WOULD THERE BE ANY MORE COST TO THEM

AS FAR AS THEIR BILL GOES?

>>SPENCER KASS: WELL, THERE -- THAT'S WHY I NEED BONNIE TO

DO THE ANALYSIS TO FIGURE OUT --

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: BECAUSE I PERSONALLY DO NOT HAVE

STREETLIGHTS.

I DON'T WANT STREETLIGHTS --

>>SPENCER KASS: NO, THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY STREET --

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: -- AND I DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR THEM.

>>SPENCER KASS: I DON'T WANT ANY ADDITIONAL -- YOU KNOW ME.

I DON'T WANT ANY ADDITIONAL MONEY --

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>>JAY VICKERS: YEAH.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: [INAUDIBLE]

>>JAY VICKERS: AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: WELL, I JUST -- YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN

SOMETHING HAPPENS, THEY SAY THERE MIGHT NOT, AND THEN JUST

BECAUSE THEY SAY IT AIN'T SO DON'T MAKE IT SO, REMEMBER

THAT?

>>JAY VICKERS: SO PERHAPS WE COULD REQUEST THAT STAFF IN

THEIR -- NO, ACTUALLY, I WAS GOING TO JOKE, BUT I WAS GOING

TO SAY DO THE PILOT STREETLIGHT PROGRAM IN GAYE'S

NEIGHBORHOOD AND MAYBE WE COULD DO THAT.

THAT WOULD BE AWESOME.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: I DON'T WANT THEM.

>>JAY VICKERS: NO?

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: NO, THANK YOU.

>>JAY VICKERS: KAY.

>>KAY DOUGHTY: ONE THING WHEN WE SEND THE LETTER, WE MIGHT

SUGGEST THAT BONNIE LISTEN TO THE DISCUSSION SO SHE CAN

UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT CAME UP.

>>SPENCER KASS: RIGHT.

AND IF SHE NEEDS TO CALL ANY OF US [INCOMPREHENSIBLE]

>>KAY DOUGHTY: BUT SECONDLY, AND IT REALLY FOLLOWS UP ON

THIS INTERCHANGE THAT JUST HAPPENED, IS DO WE WANT TO PUT IN

THERE THAT IF THE -- THE RATES ARE FEASIBLE AND IT'S

SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY WANTS TO PURSUE THAT THEY LOOK TO

IDENTIFY THE COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE THE TEN YEARS JUST

ABOUT --

>>SPENCER KASS: WELL, I THINK THAT'S THE SECOND QUESTION --

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>>JAY VICKERS: YES, EXACTLY.

>>SPENCER KASS: -- JAY WANTS.

YOU WANTED TO MAKE THIS SEPARATE; RIGHT?

>>JAY VICKERS: THEY CAN BE ONE MOTION --

>>SPENCER KASS: WELL, THAT'S FINE.

>>JAY VICKERS: -- BUT TWO SECTIONS OF THE LETTER.

>>SPENCER KASS: THE SECOND SECTION OF THE LETTER, I'M

ASSUMING, IS TO IDENTIFY ALL AREAS THAT HAVE USED THEIR FULL

TEN-YEAR LIFETIME ON THE --

>> [INAUDIBLE]

>>JAY VICKERS: YEAH, IDENTIFY A -- IDENTIFY -- SINCE THE

LIGHTS ARE ON A TEN-YEAR LEASE, IDENTIFY A -- A SECTION --

>>SPENCER KASS: WELL, LET THEM IDENTIFY ALL SECTIONS.

THAT WAY WE DON'T HEAR FROM SOMEONE --

>>JAY VICKERS: THAT COULD SLOW THINGS UP, SPENCER.

>>SPENCER KASS: WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM 60 DAYS, SO --

>>JAY VICKERS: YEAH.

SPENCER, YOU KNOW THAT'S NOT -- THAT'S LIKE A SECOND IN

GOVERNMENT TIME.

YOU KNOW THAT.

>>SPENCER KASS: I'M SURE THAT THEY KEEP VERY ACCURATE

RECORDS OF THE LOCATIONS AND AGES OF ALL THESE BECAUSE

TECO'S CHARGING US BASED UPON THAT.

>>JAY VICKERS: YEAH.

>>SPENCER KASS: I MEAN, IF THE TEN -- LET ME ASK YOU THIS.

MY INTERPRETATION OF THIS WOULD BE IF YOU HAVE, THEN, A

STREETLIGHT THAT THE TEN YEARS HAS EXPIRED ON, I GUESS THE

QUESTION FOR ME WOULD BE, WELL, THEN, DO WE STOP PAYING THAT

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PART OF THE LEASE THAT GOES TOWARDS PAYING TOWARDS THE

FIXTURE BECAUSE THE FIXTURE'S NOW FULLY PAID OFF, SO I'M

ASSUMING THAT -- BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS,

SO I WOULD HOPE SOMEONE IS ACCURATELY TRACKING BOTH THE

LOCATION AND AGE OF ALL THESE THINGS.

SO -- AND SINCE IT'LL TAKE US [INCOMPREHENSIBLE], LET'S SAY

NINE YEARS OLD, SO IF YOU'RE AT NINE YEARS OR OLDER, TO

IDENTIFY THOSE AREAS.

AND THEY CAN ALSO RESPOND TO THE QUESTION OF ARE WE STILL

PAYING THOSE -- I MEAN, RIGHT, YOU'RE DONE PAYING YOUR

LEASE, YOU'RE DONE PAYING --

>>JAY VICKERS: YEAH.

I THINK NARROWING THE REQUEST WILL GET US A FASTER RESPONSE

AND CLOSER TO RESOLUTION, SO IF WE TASK THEM WITH SIMPLY

KEEPING IN MIND THE LEASE EXPIRATION DATES, IDENTIFY AN AREA

THAT WOULD BE A GOOD PILOT FOR THE LED STREETLIGHTS --

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: NOT MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

>>SPENCER KASS: WELL, SEE, THAT'S GOING TO BE THE

PROBLEM --

>>JAY VICKERS: WE'RE ALL [INAUDIBLE]

>>SPENCER KASS: -- AND THAT'S WHAT I'D BE AFRAID OF.

RIGHT.

THEY'LL -- YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WON'T WANT TO DO IT AND THEY'LL

IDENTIFY AN AREA WHERE THEY'RE TEN YEARS OLD AND NOBODY

WANTS IT AS OPPOSED TO IDENTIFYING AN AREA THAT'S -- SO LET

THEM IDENTIFY EVERY PLACE THAT'S TEN YEARS OLD AND WE'LL

SORT IT OUT AND MAP IT.

THEY COULD DRAW IT ON A MAP.

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MAPS ARE EASY TO READ.

>>JAY VICKERS: AGAIN, I MEAN -- AND THIS IS MY OPINION IS

THAT WILL TAKE -- THAT WILL TAKE LONGER.

IF WE JUST ASK THEM FOR TWO, THREE -- THREE DIFFERENT PILOT

PROGRAMS THAT MEET THIS CRITERIA --

>>SPENCER KASS: FINE.

>>JAY VICKERS: -- AT PRIOR LOCATIONS, AND THEN THEY CAN GET

US THE INFORMATION BACK.

>>SPENCER KASS: ALL RIGHT.

>>JAY VICKERS: THIS IS JUST MY OPINION.

>>SPENCER KASS: THREE.

>>JAY VICKERS: I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR OTHER DISCUSSION.

>>SPENCER KASS: I'LL COMPROMISE TO THREE, AND IF THEY CAN

DO MORE, LET THEM DO -- WHATEVER THEY CAN DO IN EXCESS OF

THAT --

>> SO WE'RE SET ON THREE THEN?

>>JAY VICKERS: YES.

>>KAY DOUGHTY: YES.

AND SHE MAY COME AND GIVE THEM ALL.

>>SPENCER KASS: YEAH, THAT'S FINE.

IF THEY CAN -- RIGHT, IF THEY CAN, THAT'S GREAT.

>>JAY VICKERS: AND THE ANSWER MAY BE NONE.

>>SPENCER KASS: THE ANSWER MAY BE NONE.

AND THEN -- AND IF THE ANSWER IS NONE -- LET'S COVER THIS

RIGHT NOW.

IF THE ANSWER IS NONE, TO IDENTIFY WHAT AREA, THEN, IS THE

OLDEST AND HOW OLD THEY ARE --

>>JAY VICKERS: NEXT ONE UP.

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>>SPENCER KASS: -- SO THAT WE CAN SAVE OURSELVES --

>>JAY VICKERS: I PERSONALLY WANTED BONNIE TO COME BACK AND

SAY NONE SO I COULD WATCH YOUR HEAD EXPLODE ON TV.

>>SPENCER KASS: RIGHT.

I KNOW YOU DO.

>>JAY VICKERS: YES, RON.

>>RON GOVIN: DON'T WE ALSO WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCE

IN COST OF SERVICE WILL BE GOING FORWARD?

I MEAN, ARE WE GOING THROUGH THIS EXERCISE TO FIND OUT IT'S

GOING TO COST US 50% MORE TO RUN A LED THAN --

>>SPENCER KASS: WELL, THAT'S PART OF THE ANALYSIS, I THINK.

WHEN BONNIE DOES THIS ANALYSIS IN THE FIRST PART OF THE

LETTER, THAT'S PART OF WHAT SHE'LL --

>>RON GOVIN: BUT SHE NEEDS TO GIVE IT TO US --

>>SPENCER KASS: SHE'LL WORK --

>>RON GOVIN: -- IN A COMPARISON --

>>SPENCER KASS: SURE.

>>RON GOVIN: -- SO THAT WE KNOW THE DIFFERENCE IN SERVICE

COST.

>>JAY VICKERS: AND ACTUALLY, I THINK TECO SHOULD BE THE

ONE THAT PROVIDES -- THAT'S A GREAT POINT, RON.

WE KNOW THE LEASE IS MORE BECAUSE THE FIXTURES ARE MORE, BUT

THE ELECTRICITY USAGE SHOULD BE LESS ON THOSE LIGHTS, AND WE

SHOULD BE ABLE TO OFFSET THAT LEASE RATE WITH THE SAVINGS IN

ELECTRICITY COSTS.

>>SPENCER KASS: AND THEN THERE MIGHT BE, AS WE SAID, THIS

ABILITY TO GET FEDERAL DOLLARS FOR -- IN WHICH CASE, THEN

THE LEASE COST DROPS TO ZERO AND THEN THERE'S JUST SAVINGS,

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OR THERE MIGHT BE THE OPPORTUNITY, AS WE JUST HEARD OUR

SPEAKER SAY, WHERE MAYBE THEY WANT TO SPEND A COUPLE EXTRA

DOLLARS IN CERTAIN AREAS FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT

OPPORTUNITY THAT IT CREATES AND THE SAFETY AND THE REDUCTION

IN CRIME AND ALL THOSE KIND OF THINGS, SO MAYBE IT'S

WORTH --

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: [INAUDIBLE]

>>JAY VICKERS: YEAH.

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

>>SPENCER KASS: BUT LET THEM DO THE ANALYSIS.

>>JAY VICKERS: SO -- YEAH.

LET'S GET THE DATA BACK FIRST.

AND, RON, YOUR POINT'S GREAT.

WE NEED TO KNOW THE ELECTRICITY SAVINGS --

>>SPENCER KASS: ABSOLUTELY.

>>JAY VICKERS: -- BECAUSE, OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S THE LONG-TERM

UPSIDE OF THIS LED PROGRAM, WHY ARE WE DOING THIS IN THE

FIRST PLACE.

YEAH.

>> [INAUDIBLE]

>>JAY VICKERS: YEAH.

I THINK WE NEED A MOTION.

>>SPENCER KASS: FINE.

I MOVE --

>> I JUST HAVE A QUESTION TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE

MOTION.

SO 30 -- 30 DAYS WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT IF IT CAN BE DONE,

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AND 60 DAYS WE'RE GOING TO GIVE HER TO PROVIDE IT ALL TO US?

>>SPENCER KASS: RIGHT.

>> OKAY.

THAT'S THE MOTION?

OKAY.

THEN SECOND.

>>JAY VICKERS: OKAY.

>>SPENCER KASS: ALL IN FAVOR.

>>JAY VICKERS: ALL IN FAVOR.

[CHORUS OF AYES]

ANY OPPOSED?

ALL RIGHT.

VERY GOOD.

ALL RIGHT.

NEXT UP ARE THE SUBCOMMITTEE DISCUSSIONS, AND I THINK WHERE

WE ARE IS -- WELL, FIRST OF ALL, LET ME SEE, HAVE ANY OF THE

SUBCOMMITTEES HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO MEET IN THE LAST 30

DAYS?

NO?

>>SPENCER KASS: JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, MY SUBCOMMITTEE,

WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY A SUBCOMMITTEE OF ME, NOW INCLUDES

KIMBER.

>>JAY VICKERS: CONGRATULATIONS ON THE PICKUP, BY THE WAY.

>>SPENCER KASS: RIGHT.

I GUESS SHE'S A GLUTTON -- SHE'S A GLUTTON FOR PUNISHMENT,

SO -- I'VE NEVER HAD SOMEBODY ACTUALLY VOLUNTEER TO BE ON A

COMMITTEE WITH ME.

>>JAY VICKERS: NO ONE WAS MORE SHOCKED THAN THE REST OF US

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WHEN THEY SAW THAT E-MAIL.

>>SPENCER KASS: I COULD ONLY IMAGINE.

SO WHEN SHE GETS BACK, WE WILL HAVE OUR FIRST MEETING THEN.

>>JAY VICKERS: OKAY.

>>SPENCER KASS: JUST TO LET YOU KNOW SORT OF MY MIND-SET ON

WHERE -- AS A STARTING POINT, BECAUSE I READ THROUGH THE

NOTES THAT WE GOT LAST TIME FROM MR. MERRILL ON THE

DEPARTMENTS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DID NOTICE IS THAT THE

COUNTY AND THE CITY ARE BOTH WORKING ON THEIR TECHNICAL

MANUALS, AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT MIGHT BE -- SINCE

THEY'RE ALREADY PUTTING STAFF TIME INTO THAT, THAT THAT

MIGHT BE THE PERFECT PLACE TO START ON SOME COLLABORATIVE

EFFORTS OF GETTING A -- BECAUSE TECHNICAL MANUALS ARE JUST

SAFETY, THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ZONING OR ANY OF THAT

KIND OF STUFF.

THAT MIGHT BE THE PERFECT SPOT TO GET STARTED IN SINCE

THEY'RE BOTH WORKING ON IT ALREADY.

>>JAY VICKERS: YEAH.

>>SPENCER KASS: SO THAT'S JUST --

>>JAY VICKERS: WAIT, NO BIKE TRAIL TO NOWHERE?

>>SPENCER KASS: NO, NO BIKE TRAILS.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: ON DALE MABRY [INAUDIBLE] PUT SIDEWALKS,

NOBODY'S THERE.

>>JAY VICKERS: ALL RIGHT.

DEVELOPMENT SERVICE I KNOW KIMBER HAD AGREED TO CHAIR AND

THEN THOUGHT IT WOULD BE EASIER TO BE ON A SUBCOMMITTEE WITH

SPENCER.

THAT SHOWS POOR JUDGMENT.

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SO DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, I THINK YOU'RE STILL TRYING TO GET

SOME DATES FOR THAT GROUP TO MEET?

>> FOR ALL OF THEM.

JUST A LOT OF FOLKS WERE TRAVELING AND EVERYTHING, SO I

THINK AUGUST HOPEFULLY WILL BE BETTER TO SCHEDULE.

>>JAY VICKERS: OKAY.

>>SPENCER KASS: AND IT DOESN'T STOP ANYBODY IF THEY WANT TO

DO SOME SECRET SHOPPER STUFF, YOU KNOW, FROM GOING ON UP

THERE LIKE I DID THIS MORNING.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: THEY KNOW ME TOO WELL, SPENCER.

>>SPENCER KASS: THEY THINK THEY KNOW EVERYBODY, BUT THEY

DON'T.

TRUST ME.

>>JAY VICKERS: ALL RIGHT.

AND ON THE CIVIL SERVICE, I WAS OUT OF TOWN THE ENTIRE MONTH

OF JULY, SO I WAS NOT AROUND, BUT I'M HERE IN AUGUST AND

WILL FILL OUT THE ON-LINE SCHEDULE OVER THE WEEKEND, AND

THEN WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIND SOME DATES IN AUGUST.

>> TODAY I'LL SEND OUT AN UPDATED SCHEDULER WITH AUGUST

DATES TOO BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF THE DATES WERE FOR JULY,

SO I'LL SEND OUT UPDATED ONES.

>>JAY VICKERS: YEAH.

A ROLLING SIX-WEEK MAY BE BEST ON THOSE, SO AUGUST AND THE

FIRST TWO WEEKS OF SEPTEMBER.

>> SOUNDS GOOD.

>>JAY VICKERS: THAT'S THE MONTH THAT COMES AFTER AUGUST,

ISN'T IT?

YES.

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OKAY.

TRADITIONALLY, BUT -- YES, MA'AM.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: I DID WANT TO UPDATE YOU ON THE

HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY WATER CONSERVATION --

>>JAY VICKERS: HOLD ON ONE SECOND.

THAT'S NEXT ON THE AGENDA.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: OKAY.

WE'RE NOT FINISHED WITH YOURS?

>>JAY VICKERS: WELL, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE WERE

WRAPPED WITH THAT, SO --

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: FINE.

>>JAY VICKERS: -- ONE SECOND AND WE'LL GET TO THAT.

SO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON THE SUBCOMMITTEES?

ALL RIGHT.

MOVING ON.

NOW, GAYE.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: THAT'S SUCH A MOUTHFUL, HILLSBOROUGH

COUNTY WATER CONSERVATION TECHNICAL COMMITTEE.

OKAY.

NOW THAT I HAVE THAT OUT, I HOPE YOU HAD THAT ON RECORD THAT

THE BOARD REAPPOINTED ME TO THAT FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS AS

THE CAC REPRESENTATIVE.

>>JAY VICKERS: I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE THAT ON THE

RECORD, BUT WE'LL PUT THAT IN THE RECAP FOR THE NEXT

MEETING.

>> [INAUDIBLE]

>>JAY VICKERS: YEP.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: WELL, YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO WRITE THE

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LETTER, BUT THEY WENT AHEAD AND DECIDED THEY'D JUST TAKE ME.

>>JAY VICKERS: OKAY.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: ALSO, THAT COMMITTEE STILL HASN'T MET IN

FOUR YEARS OR THREE YEARS, SO I THOUGHT I'D FILL YOU IN ON

WHAT'S GOING ON IN THAT COMMITTEE.

>>JAY VICKERS: ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER ADVISORY COMMITTEE UPDATES?

I'M ACTUALLY NOT SURE WHO WE HAVE ON THE LIST.

DID WE FINALIZE THAT LIST, BETH, OF WHICH MEMBERS ARE ON

WHICH ADVISORY?

NO?

>>KAY DOUGHTY: I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK, BETH, IF -- I DON'T

KNOW THAT THE HEALTH CARE ADVISORY BOARD HAS BEEN MEETING

BECAUSE I SUDDENLY STOPPED GETTING THE E-MAILS TELLING ME OF

THE MEETINGS, SO --

>> I'LL LOOK INTO IT AND I'LL LET YOU KNOW.

>>KAY DOUGHTY: OKAY.

BECAUSE I DO TRY TO ATTEND WHEN I'M AVAILABLE.

>>JAY VICKERS: ALL RIGHT.

DEBORAH.

>>DEBORAH COPE: THE ERP IMPLEMENTATION PROJECT, I HAD A

QUESTION LAST MONTH ABOUT WHETHER THAT INFORMATION IS

AVAILABLE ON THE WEB SITE FOR THE PUBLIC, AND IT IS NOT.

FOR VARIOUS REASONS EITHER IT'S AVAILABLE, LIKE, ON THE

INTERNAL INTRANET SYSTEM FOR STAFF, AND AT THIS POINT

THEY'RE HAVING, LIKE, DAILY UPDATES, AND -- BUT I DO HAVE,

LIKE, A SYNOPSIS OF WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON.

IT'S KIND OF EXCITING.

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TODAY, ACTUALLY, THEY BEGIN THEIR CUTOVER TO ORACLE, AND

THEN THEY'LL ACTUALLY END UP -- THE FINANCIALS ARE GOING TO

GO IN FIRST, AND THE ACTUAL GO LIVE FOR THE CORE FINANCIAL

MODULES IS GOING TO BE AUGUST 5th, AND THEN THE SUBSEQUENT

WAVES -- LIKE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING THESE THINGS IN

WAVES, FINANCIALS FIRST.

THE NEXT WAVES WILL COVER HR, ADVANCED PROCUREMENT, TIME AND

ATTENDANCE, PAYROLL, AND BUDGET, AND THOSE GO-LIVE DATES

WILL BE BETWEEN OCTOBER 14th AND JANUARY 1.

THEN THEY SHOULD ALL BE COMPLETED.

AND LIKE I SAID, THEY'RE HAVING, YOU KNOW, DAILY UPDATES AS

TO WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE PROJECT BECAUSE THEY'RE AT A

PRETTY CRUCIAL POINT NOW, BUT SO FAR EVERYTHING'S GOING AS

SCHEDULED.

>>SPENCER KASS: AND DO WE KNOW WHAT THE ACCELA SYSTEM

SEPARATELY --

>>DEBORAH COPE: I DO NOT.

I COULD FIND OUT.

I WILL.

>> AND JUST TO NOTE, FOR THE LIST OF COMMUNITY -- OR OTHER

ORGANIZATIONS YOU-ALL SERVE ON, YOU TWO ARE THE ONLY THREE I

HAVE SO FAR, SO IF ANYONE ELSE IS, JUST LET ME KNOW.

THAT'S ALL I RECEIVED.

>>JAY VICKERS: OKAY.

MAYBE NEXT MONTH WE CAN CIRCULATE THE LIST AGAIN TO SEE IF

THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE THAT WANTS TO SIGN UP.

AND ON THE -- THE NONPROFIT, THAT IS OFFICIALLY FINISHED,

BUT I INTEND TO FOLLOW UP IN AUGUST.

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>>GAYE TOWNSEND: GOOD JOB.

>>JAY VICKERS: IT'S KIND OF PARTIALLY DONE, SO I'M GOING TO

FOLLOW UP IN AUGUST TO JUST MAKE SURE IT GETS ALL THE WAY

THROUGH TO -- TO FRUITION, SO I BELIEVE IT'S -- IT'S IN AND

IT'S APPROVED, BUT THERE ARE SOME LINGERING QUESTIONS, AND

THERE'S THE IMPLEMENTATION PHASE THAT STAFF WILL BE HANDLING

THEMSELVES, SO I'VE ALREADY BEEN INVOLVED WITH THEM A LITTLE

BIT AND WILL GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INVOLVED IN AUGUST, SO

I'LL HAVE SOME UPDATES, BUT IT PROBABLY WON'T BE FORMAL, IT

WILL JUST BE SORT OF PROGRESS UPDATES HOPEFULLY ON HOW STAFF

IS ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THE PLAN.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY --

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: ARE WE IN OTHER BUSINESS?

>>JAY VICKERS: -- OTHER ADVISORY COMMITTEE REPORTS?

ALL RIGHT.

ON TO OTHER BUSINESS.

KAY.

>>KAY DOUGHTY: I THINK WE OUGHT TO SCHEDULE -- AND IT'S UP

TO US WHEN -- AN UPDATE ON THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE NEW

GARBAGE AND TRASH IMPLEMENTATION.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: THE ROLLER DERBY?

>>JAY VICKERS: YEAH.

OKAY.

AND SINCE WE'RE ON THE SCHEDULING TOPIC, BETH, DO WE KNOW

WHO WE HAVE FOR NEXT MONTH?

>> AS OF RIGHT NOW WE'RE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING

SOMEONE FROM THE RNC TO COME AND GIVE A FISCAL UPDATE.

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I HAVE -- YOU MAY SNICKER, BUT I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN IN CONTACT

WITH SOMEONE WHO HAS TENTATIVELY AGREED TO COME AND SPEAK,

SO I'M JUST ESSENTIALLY WAITING ON A CALL BACK TO FIRM UP,

AND THAT SHOULD BE WITHIN -- IF NOT TODAY, THEN THE START OF

NEXT WEEK, SO --

>>SPENCER KASS: I MIGHT HAVE MISSED THIS AT THE BEGINNING,

BUT I KNOW WE HAD REQUESTED FOR THIS TIME TO ALSO DO -- HAVE

SOMEBODY HERE TO DO SOME, LIKE, BRIEF BUDGET OVERVIEW STUFF

AND THEN DID NOBODY AGREE TO COME OR --

>> I DIDN'T --

>>JAY VICKERS: WELL, WHAT WE HAD DONE WAS CAME UP WITH A

LIST OF I THINK FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT FOLKS WHO WANTED TO

TALK TO YOU IN IF THE FUTURE AND THAT WE WERE GOING TO JUST

SCHEDULE THEM AS THEIR SCHEDULES WERE AVAILABLE, SO THERE

WAS NOT A SET ORDER --

>>SPENCER KASS: OH, OKAY.

>>JAY VICKERS: -- SO IT --

>> I HAVE AN UPDATE ON THAT.

FOR SEPTEMBER WE HAVE RAY CHIARAMONTE COMING, FOR OCTOBER WE

HAVE JOHN LYONS TO TALK ABOUT TRASH, AND THEN NOVEMBER WE

HAVE ANIMAL SERVICES.

>>JAY VICKERS: OKAY.

>>SPENCER KASS: AND WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BUDGET PEOPLE?

SO MAYBE NEXT TIME WE CAN GET THE BUDGET WITH THE RNC PEOPLE

HERE, CAN WE TRY AND GET -- BECAUSE THEY WERE GOING TO COME

THIS TIME.

>>DEBORAH COPE: I THINK TIME IS PROBABLY OF THE ESSENCE

WITH THAT.

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>>SPENCER KASS: YEAH.

>>JAY VICKERS: YEAH.

>>SPENCER KASS: SO IF WE CAN GET BUDGET DOWN HERE.

>>JAY VICKERS: THE SPECIFIC REQUEST OF THE BUDGET IS AN

OVERVIEW OF THE PROGRESS ON THE BUDGET?

>>SPENCER KASS: I GUESS THAT, AND THERE WERE A WHOLE SERIES

OF QUESTIONS THAT YOU AND I HAD AT THE LAST MEETING THAT

THEY CAN TAKE OFF THE TAPE AND --

>> I REACHED OUT TO BUDGET.

THEY WERE PRETTY WRAPPED UP AND DIDN'T INDICATE ANY NEED FOR

ASSISTANCE AT THIS POINT, SO THAT'S -- THAT WAS THE LAST I

TALKED TO THEM.

>>SPENCER KASS: THEY CAN GRACE US WITH THEIR PRESENCE.

LET'S MAKE IT A FORMAL REQUEST.

>>JAY VICKERS: AND SO PERHAPS WE COULD PUT THE REQUEST AS

AN OVERVIEW OF THE FINAL BUDGET AND AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO

ASK SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE FINAL BUDGET, AND WE DO -- KNOW

THAT THE BUDGETS ARE SET WELL IN ADVANCE AND THAT'S A LONG

AND LENGTHY PROCESS, AND SO BY THIS POINT THEY'RE NOT OPEN

TO CHANGING ANYTHING.

THEY'RE JUST --

>>SPENCER KASS: WELL, SPEAKING OF WHICH --

>>JAY VICKERS: [INDISCERNIBLE CROSS TALK]

>>SPENCER KASS: -- I MEAN, JUST TO GIVE YOU-ALL AN UPDATE

SINCE I DID MENTION BEFORE THE 10% THING AND ALL THAT, AND I

KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION HERE AS TO WHAT

INFORMATION EVERYBODY WANTED, ON MY OWN I AM PROCEEDING WITH

THE CHART THAT I HAD PREPARED LAST TIME.

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I'VE SPOKEN TO THE PROPERTY APPRAISER.

NOW, THEY WANTED VERY SPECIFIC PREDONE MAP FILES, WHICH I

WAS ABLE TO GET FROM THE CITY OF TAMPA AND WHICH THEY NOW

HAVE, SO I COULD TELL YOU FOR WITHIN THE CITY OF TAMPA THEY

ARE SUPPOSED TO BE WORKING ON GENERATING HOW MUCH PROPERTY

TAX IS COLLECTED WITHIN THOSE AREAS.

IF THERE ARE PEOPLE HERE WHO FEEL THEY DON'T WANT IT FOR

THEIR AREA OR WHATEVER, I'LL BE HAPPY TO TELL THEM TO

EXCLUDE ANYBODY WHO DOESN'T WANT THE INFORMATION.

IN TERMS OF US GETTING IT FOR THE COUNTY AREAS, I DON'T

NECESSARILY HAVE THE PEOPLE TO GET ME THE COUNTY MAP FILES

IF THEY EXIST BECAUSE ORIGINALLY THERE SEEMED TO BE SOME

CONFUSION AS TO WHETHER THEY EXISTED IN THE CITY BECAUSE

THEY SAID THEY COULDN'T DO IT, AND THEN WE MANAGED TO FIND

THEM FOR THEM.

SO IF YOU ALL -- I'M HAPPY WITH JUST THE CITY.

I FEEL -- I PREFER TO BE INCLUSIVE OF EVERYBODY, INCLUDING

THE COUNTY.

I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU ALL IN TERMS OF AT LEAST THE

DATA -- LET'S PUT THE 10% THING ASIDE FOR A SECOND.

IN TERMS OF THE DATA, DO YOU WANT TO KNOW IN THE COUNTY

AREAS WHAT THEY'RE COLLECTING WITHIN EACH NEIGHBORHOOD

BOUNDARY, IF YOU ALL DO?

MAYBE WE AS A GROUP WANT TO GET A LETTER TO SOMEONE IN THE

COUNTY, MAYBE IT'S NEIGHBORHOOD RELATIONS OR WHATEVER, TO

GET US THOSE MAP FILES BECAUSE I'VE BEEN TOLD BY THE

ASSESSOR THAT IF THEY DON'T HAVE THE MAP FILES, THEY'RE NOT

CREATING THEM UNLESS I'M PREPARED TO PAY VAST SUMS OF MONEY

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TO HAVE THEM CREATED.

SO AS I SAID, I HAVE THEM FOR THE CITY, THEY'RE WORKING ON

THEM FOR THE CITY.

THERE'S BEEN ALSO A SEPARATE REQUEST FROM ME TO EVERY CITY

NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION TELLING THEM THIS IS WHAT I'M

TRYING TO GET, AND I KNOW MANY OF THEM HAVE SENT TO THE

TAMPA CITY COUNCIL REQUESTS SAYING, YEAH, WHY DON'T YOU SHOW

US WHAT PROJECTS FOR THIS YEAR YOU'VE SCHEDULED FOR OUR

AREAS AND HOW MUCH YOU'RE SPENDING.

IT'S BEEN VERY POSITIVE FEEDBACK.

>>JAY VICKERS: I'M SURE.

>>SPENCER KASS: NOW, I DON'T -- AS I SAID, I'M NOT LOOKING

TO GET INTO OTHER PEOPLE'S BAILIWICK HERE, SO I'LL LET THE

PEOPLE HERE WHO ARE COUNTY PEOPLE KIND OF DECIDE IF WE WANT

TO PURSUE THAT.

I'M HAPPY TO, BUT THAT'S GOING TO NEED A LITTLE MORE COUNTY

PEOPLE SUPPORT THAN ME JUST PICKING UP A PHONE, SO I'LL LET

YOU ALL DISCUSS IT.

>>JAY VICKERS: I THINK THE -- I LOVE THE IDEA.

THE FACT THEY DID NOT HAVE THE DATA WAS NOT SHOCKING, BUT

THE FACT THAT THERE WAS NO METHOD TO GET THE DATA, THAT WAS

A BIT SHOCKING, SO I DON'T KNOW IF I FIND THAT HARD TO

BELIEVE OR IT'S JUST EXTREMELY LABOR INTENSIVE, I DON'T

KNOW.

IF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THERE MAY BE SOME SOURCE FILES

AVAILABLE THAT WE HAVE -- WE COULD JUST GET THOSE SOURCE

FILES AND A COUPLE OF US COULD PARSE THROUGH IT AND SEE WHAT

WE CAN COME UP WITH --

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>>SPENCER KASS: WE DON'T HAVE TO -- JUST TO MAKE IT

AVAILABLE.

WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO PARSE THROUGH IT.

THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE, IF WE'RE ARE ABLE TO GIVE THEM THE

DATA SOURCE MAPPING FILES, THEY WILL TAKE THOSE FILES, PUT

THEM INTO THEIR SYSTEM AND GENERATE FOR US THE COLLECTION

INFORMATION.

THE EXPENDITURE INFORMATION, THAT'S A WHOLE 'NOTHER STORY.

THAT, IN TERMS OF COUNTY EXPENDITURES, NEEDS TO COME FROM

BONNIE'S OFFICE; IN TERMS OF THE CITY, THAT NEEDS TO COME

FROM THEIR BUDGET OFFICE, AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PARSE

THAT THROUGH, AND ULTIMATELY IT'S UP TO THE COUNTY

COMMISSIONERS IF THEY WANT TO DEMAND, YEAH, PROVIDE THE

INFORMATION.

I BELIEVE THINGS SHOULD BE IN THE EASY-TO-READ FORMAT AND I

BELIEVE EVERYONE SHOULD KNOW WHAT'S BEING SPENT IN THEIR

NEIGHBORHOODS, FORGETTING ABOUT ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, WHERE

WE GO WITH ANYTHING, AND AS I SAID, THE FEEDBACK FROM THE

NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS, I HAVE TO TELL YOU, RICH, POOR,

EVERY WHICH WAY HAS JUST BEEN TREMENDOUSLY POSITIVE.

I HEARD NO NEGATIVE FEEDBACK.

THERE WAS, OH, YEAH, LET'S SEE THAT.

YOU KNOW, OUR ASSOCIATION WOULD LOVE TO SIT DOWN AT A

MEETING AND SAY, OH, WE PAY AN EIGHT MILLION -- AND PEOPLE

HAVE GUESSES AS TO WHAT THEY THINK THEY'RE PAYING INTO THE

CITY, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO -- SO IF WE CAN GET THE MAP

FILES -- I THINK THE MAP FILES ARE RELATIVELY EASY TO GET

OUR HANDS ON.

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>>BARBARA ADERHOLD: WHERE DO YOU GET THE MAP FILES?

>>SPENCER KASS: WELL, I SENT IT -- I MEAN, I --

>>BARBARA ADERHOLD: YOU JUST REQUESTED IT?

>>SPENCER KASS: I THOUGHT THEY WOULD ORIGINALLY HAVE THEM

AT THE ASSESSOR'S OFFICE.

THEY APPARENTLY DIDN'T.

I WENT TO THE CITY AND REQUESTED THEM FROM THE CITY, AND THE

CITY FOUND SOMEONE IN THEIR I.T. DEPARTMENT WHO HAD THEM,

BECAUSE I'VE SEEN THE MAPS ON-LINE.

YOU CAN GO TO AN INTERACTIVE MAP ON THE CITY'S --

>> [INAUDIBLE]

>>SPENCER KASS: RIGHT.

SO THEY HAVE ACTUALLY GOT IT --

>> [INAUDIBLE]

>>SPENCER KASS: RIGHT.

WELL, NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING.

THEY GOT SOMEONE IN I.T., AND I SENT THE I.T. FILES OVER.

I MEAN, THERE HAS TO BE SORT OF A MIDDLE PERSON.

>>BARBARA ADERHOLD: YOU THINK THEY;D HAVE IT FROM CENSUS

BLOCKS.

>>SPENCER KASS: IN TERMS OF THE -- WELL, THE CENSUS BLOCKS

AREN'T NECESSARILY BROKEN DOWN BY ASSOCIATION.

>>BARBARA ADERHOLD: NO, BUT --

>>SPENCER KASS: SO, I MEAN, IF WE WANT TO REQUEST IT FROM

COUNTY NEIGHBORHOODS, THAT'S FINE, BUT I NEED -- LET ME PUT

IT THIS WAY, I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK FOR ALL OF US AND TELL

THEM, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE THE FILES.

>>BARBARA ADERHOLD: OKAY.

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>>SPENCER KASS: AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT JUST BECAUSE

I'M ASKING FOR IT IN THE COUNTY.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: WELL, THEY SHOULD BE AVAILABLE ANYWAY,

THAT'S JUST THE BOTTOM LINE.

>> I AGREE.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: THAT'S JUST A PUBLIC RECORD THING, WHERE

IS IT?

>>JAY VICKERS: YEAH.

KAY.

>>KAY DOUGHTY: I THINK THAT -- YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD BE

REALLY INTERESTING TO SEE.

I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY GOVERNMENTS ARE RELUCTANT, BECAUSE

THERE ARE GOING TO BE AREAS THAT CONTRIBUTE MORE DOLLARS

INTO THE KITTY THAN THEY GET BACK IN --

>>SPENCER KASS: SO DO YOU-ALL WANT TO MAKE A REQUEST FROM

THE COUNTY TO PROVIDE THE DATA FILES --

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: ABSOLUTELY.

>>SPENCER KASS: -- AND BREAKDOWNS OF EXPENDITURES WITHIN

THE AREAS?

>>JAY VICKERS: YEAH.

WELL, LET'S TAKE IT ONE STEP AT A TIME --

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: OKAY.

>>JAY VICKERS: -- BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S --

THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY.

IF WE UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS OF GATHERING THIS INFORMATION

IS LABOR INTENSIVE, WE WOULD LIKE TO ASSIST IN THAT PROCESS.

>>SPENCER KASS: OH, SURE.

>>JAY VICKERS: IF THEY CAN PROVIDE US WITH THE SOURCE MAP

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FILES, THE DATA MAP FILES -- IS THAT WHAT THEY'RE CALLED?

>>SPENCER KASS: RIGHT.

YEAH.

LET'S CALL IT THAT FOR THE MOMENT.

IF THEY CAN GET THE -- I CAN GET THEM THE EXACT SPECIFICS

OF WHAT'S --

>>JAY VICKERS: OKAY.

SO THE DATA MAP FILES, AND, IF NECESSARY, WE CAN PROVIDE

THEM A LITTLE MORE CLARIFICATION OF WHAT THAT IS, THEN WE

WOULD BE HAPPY TO ASSIST IN --

>>SPENCER KASS: WELL, WE COULD FORWARD IT TO THE ASSESSOR'S

OFFICE.

>>JAY VICKERS: I WOULD JUST LEAVE IT WE'D BE HAPPY TO

ASSIST IN GETTING THAT INFORMATION.

>>SPENCER KASS: THAT'S PART ONE.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: IS THAT A MOTION, OR WHAT ARE YOU --

>>SPENCER KASS: WELL, WE'LL LET -- DO YOU WANT TO DO THEM

TWO TOGETHER OR DO YOU WANT TO DO THEM SEPARATE?

>>JAY VICKERS: WELL, LET ME HEAR -- I JUST WANT TO MAKE

SURE WE'VE GOT THAT CLARIFIED FOR --

>>SPENCER KASS: WELL, OKAY.

THAT'S ONE PART.

THE SECOND PART IS --

>>JAY VICKERS: [INDISCERNIBLE CROSS TALK]

>>SPENCER KASS: -- TO GET FROM THE BUDGET OFFICE A

BREAKDOWN BY THOSE -- BY THE -- THOSE ASSOCIATION BOUNDARIES

OF THE EXPENDITURES IN THE UPCOMING BUDGET, WHAT THE

PROJECTS ARE, AND HOW MUCH THE EXPENDITURE IS BASED UPON

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THOSE SAME BOUNDARIES, AND AS I SAID, IF THEY WANT TO

PROVIDE IT IN A DATA FILE AND YOU WANT ME OR MY PEOPLE TO

BREAK IT OUT AND PUT IT INTO THE SPREADSHEET, WE'RE HAPPY TO

DO THAT, SO THAT WOULD BE THE SECOND PART.

>>JAY VICKERS: OKAY.

SO I -- YES.

AND IF THEY HAVE THIS INFORMATION READILY AVAILABLE -- I

WANT TO KIND OF STAGGER THESE REQUESTS ON THERE JUST

SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE -- EVERYONE'S BUSY, AND SO WE'RE

OFFERING TO HELP OUT, SO IF THEY CAN GET US SOMETHING

EASILY, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO TAKE THE NEXT STEP.

>>SPENCER KASS: RIGHT.

>>JAY VICKERS: AND WE COULD ALSO -- IF THEY EASILY HAVE THE

PROJECT INFORMATION, THE CAPITAL EXPEND -- JUST CAPITAL

EXPENDITURES, IS THAT WHAT --

>>SPENCER KASS: YEAH, I JUST WANT TO STICK WITH CAPITAL

EXPENDITURES.

IT'LL BE A MESS OTHERWISE.

>>JAY VICKERS: OKAY.

SO IF THEY COULD GIVE US A LIST OF CAPITAL EXPENDITURE

PROJECTS, EITHER -- WHAT DO YOU WANT? -- WHAT'S UNDERWAY

CURRENTLY, WHAT'S BEEN DONE IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS --

>>SPENCER KASS: NO, WHAT'S --

>>JAY VICKERS: -- WHAT'S BEEN IN THE LAST TWO FISCAL YEARS?

>>SPENCER KASS: -- GOING FORWARD FOR THIS PROPOSED BUDGET.

>>JAY VICKERS: OKAY.

SO IN THE NEW PROPOSED BUDGET WHAT CAPITAL -- A LIST OF THE

CAPITAL EXPENDITURE PROJECTS BY ZIP CODE?

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>>SPENCER KASS: WELL, NO, BY ASSOCIATION BOUNDARY.

IN A PERFECT WORLD, IF THEY COULD DO IT BY ASSOCIATION

BOUNDARY, THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE, AND IF THEY CAN'T, WHATEVER

THEY --

>>JAY VICKERS: WITH AS MUCH GEOGRAPHIC DATA AS THEY HAVE OR

THEY CAN EASILY MAKE AVAILABLE WITH THAT ZIP CODE OR WHETHER

IT'S, YOU KNOW, A BOUNDARY OF --

>>SPENCER KASS: WE'LL TRY AND BREAK IT OUT.

>>JAY VICKERS: [INDISCERNIBLE CROSS TALK]

OKAY.

ALL RIGHT.

YES.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: WELL, SHOULDN'T THERE BE SOME INFORMATION

IN THE CIPs, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS?

>>JAY VICKERS: OH, I'M SURE THEY'VE GOT A LIST OF THEM.

IT'S JUST ARE THEY MATCHED, I MEAN, ARE THEY CODED

PROPERLY --

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: RIGHT.

>>JAY VICKERS: -- ARE THEY TAGGED TO SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOOD

ASSOCIATIONS?

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: WELL, IT'S JUST A START TO SAY THERE ARE

SOME --

>>JAY VICKERS: OH, YEAH.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: -- CIPs OUT THERE, AND THAT WOULD BE A

STARTING POINT.

>>SPENCER KASS: YEAH.

LET THEM FIGURE IT OUT.

>>JAY VICKERS: YEAH.

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OKAY.

SO WITH WHATEVER GEOGRAPHIC DATA THEY HAVE CURRENTLY, WE'LL

TAKE THAT.

>>SPENCER KASS: SO THAT'S THE MOTION.

>>JAY VICKERS: OKAY.

SO THAT'S A MOTION.

>>KAY DOUGHTY: SECOND.

>> SECOND.

>>JAY VICKERS: MULTIPLE SECONDS.

>>SPENCER KASS: ALL IN FAVOR.

[CHORUS OF AYES]

>>JAY VICKERS: ALL OPPOSED.

ALL RIGHT.

ALSO ON OTHER BUSINESS, WE HAVE THE LETTER THAT DEBORAH

DRAFTED TO MR. MERRILL REGARDING THE BOCC DISCUSSING CHANGES

TO THE WAY THE COMMITTEES ARE STRUCTURED, THE WAY THE

COMMITTEES WORK, THE RULES AND REGULATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH

THE COMMITTEES WITHOUT INFORMING THE COMMITTEES THESE WERE

BEING DISCUSSED, SO THERE'S A COPY OF THE LETTER IN YOUR

BINDER.

IT LOOKS LIKE THIS, WITHOUT THE RED -- WITHOUT BETH'S NEAT

HANDWRITING AT THE BOTTOM, AND WHAT BETH'S NEAT HANDWRITING

AT THE BOTTOM SAYS IS THIS WAS DISCUSSED AT A BOCC MEETING,

BUT THEY TOOK NO ACTION ON -- ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CHANGES OUR DESIRE TO SEND A LETTER,

BUT --

>>SPENCER KASS: NO, IT DOESN'T.

>>DEBORAH COPE: I WOULDN'T THINK SO.

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>>JAY VICKERS: YEP.

OKAY.

>>SPENCER KASS: SO --

>>JAY VICKERS: YES.

EXACTLY.

>>SPENCER KASS: DO YOU WANT A MOTION OR SOMETHING?

>>JAY VICKERS: OH, HANG ON ONE SECOND.

IS THERE DISCUSSION?

GAYE.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: WAS THIS TO DO WITH THE COMMITTEES, NOT

NECESSARILY THE BYLAWS BUT SIGNING THE ETHICS --

>>DEBORAH COPE: NO, IT HAS TO DO WITH IF THERE'S BUSINESS

BEFORE THE BOCC THAT HAS -- THAT HAS AN EFFECT OR HAS

SOMETHING TO DO WITH THE ADVISORY COMMITTEES AND THEIR

MEMBERSHIP, THAT WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT WE BE INFORMED OF

THOSE AGENDA ITEMS AHEAD OF TIME SO IF WE WANT TO PROVIDE

INPUT, WE CAN DO THAT.

IT WAS BASED ON BECAUSE THAT HAPPENED WITH THE AGENDA ITEM

ON JUNE 5th THAT ADDRESSED NEW GOVERNING RULES FOR ADVISORY

COMMITTEES, BUT IN GENERAL, WE'D LIKE TO KNOW -- WE DIDN'T

KNOW ABOUT THAT ONE OFFICIALLY UNLESS WE COMBED THROUGH THE

AGENDA OURSELVES THE MORNING OF THE MEETING, BUT, YOU KNOW,

JUST FOR THE FUTURE WE'D LIKE TO BE NOTIFIED OF THOSE ITEMS.

>>JAY VICKERS: YEAH.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: I JUST WANTED CLARIFICATION --

>>JAY VICKERS: OH, YEAH.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: -- BECAUSE I KNOW WHY THAT HAPPENED, AND

WHY IT HAPPENED WAS BECAUSE IT STARTED HERE.

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>>JAY VICKERS: YES.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: SO WE WERE WELL AWARE OF THAT.

>>JAY VICKERS: THAT'S CORRECT.

>>SPENCER KASS: MOVE THE LETTER.

>>JAY VICKERS: ALL RIGHT.

MOTION TO APPROVE THE LETTER -- DEB'S LETTER.

SECOND?

>> SECOND.

>>JAY VICKERS: ALL IN FAVOR.

[CHORUS OF AYES]

ANY OPPOSED?

ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL SIGN AND GET THAT SENT OUT.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: NO, I'M NOT OPPOSED, I'M JUST A SLOW

REACTOR.

[LAUGHTER]

>>JAY VICKERS: ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER OTHER BUSINESS?

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: YES.

FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR THE ANIMAL SERVICES.

I'VE BEEN VERY CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON THERE, AND

THEY SEEM TO BE IN A CRISIS, SO IF THERE'S ANY WAY WE CAN

MOVE THAT UP, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL, IF YOU'VE BEEN

FOLLOWING THE PROBLEMS WITH THEM.

>>JAY VICKERS: YEAH.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: IS THERE ANY WAY TO MOVE THAT UP?

>>JAY VICKERS: I DON'T THINK SO.

AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, GETTING EVERYONE TO AGREE --

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>>GAYE TOWNSEND: OH, I UNDERSTAND.

>>JAY VICKERS: YES.

AND SO I THINK WHAT WE'VE DONE IS JUST SCHEDULED THEM WHEN

THEY'RE OPEN.

>>KAY DOUGHTY: IT'S ALSO ALLOWING US TIME FOR OUR

COMMITTEES TO WORK.

>>JAY VICKERS: YES.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THEY ARE IN CRISIS

MODE OVER THERE AT ANIMAL SERVICES, AND IT'S A BIG CONCERN

TO THIS COMMUNITY AS WELL AS I.

I DO ATTEND THE MEETINGS ONCE IN A WHILE, AND I'M VERY

CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON OVER THERE.

>> I THINK THERE WERE TWO THINGS WITH THAT.

ONE WAS ALSO THAT REALLY WHERE WE NEED TO LOOK AT IS

ADDITIONAL MONEY WAS ALLOCATED TO ANIMAL SERVICES, SO, YOU

KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, THERE WAS A DECISION MADE BY THE BOCC FOR

THAT, AND DOES THAT TRULY ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES THAT ARE --

THAT ARE HAPPENING --

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: THAT'S TRUE, AND --

>> -- OR IS IT MORE SYSTEMIC OR --

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: -- THE ISSUE IS IT'S KIND OF A SPLIT

BECAUSE I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE JOB THAT THE NEW HEAD OF

ANIMAL SERVICES IS DOING.

THEY'RE TRYING TO STOP THE EUTHANIZATION OF ANIMALS, AND IF

YOU DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE MORE FUNDS, AND, I MEAN -- SO

IT'S JUST UP FOR DISCUSSION.

IT'S JUST SOMETHING I BROUGHT UP, AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN THE

FUNDS THAT THEY ALLOCATED RUN OUT, SO IF WE COULD FIND THAT

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OUT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL.

>>SPENCER KASS: WHEN THE BUDGET PEOPLE COME.

>>JAY VICKERS: WE DON'T KNOW YET, BUT THE REQUEST IS IN.

WE'VE RE-REQUESTED.

>> I THINK WE HAVE IT FOR NOVEMBER; IS THAT -- THAT CORRECT?

IF WE COULD ALSO HAVE PROBABLY NOT ONLY THE DIRECTOR BUT

THEIR REPORT OUT THERE, WHICH I THINK MAY BE SHARON SUBADAN

OR MIKE MERRILL.

I DON'T KNOW WHO THEY REPORT TO, MIKE MERRILL, BUT --

>>JAY VICKERS: [INDISCERNIBLE CROSS TALK] SUBADAN.

>> YEAH.

IF WE COULD HAVE -- JUST SO -- BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE GET INTO

SITUATIONS WHERE PEOPLE SAY, WELL, IT'S MY -- YOU KNOW, IT'S

COMING, SO --

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: WELL, WHEN YOU LOVE ANIMALS AND CHILDREN,

IT CAN GET VERY DICEY ON BOTH SIDES.

>> SURE.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: AND THE OTHER ISSUE I'D ASK IS THAT WE

UPDATE ON THE WATER SUPPLY, PLEASE, BECAUSE THEY WERE TO

SHUT THE RESERVOIR DOWN FOR REPAIRS FOR THE RESERVOIR.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S EVEN HAPPENED YET.

SHOWS YOU I'M NOT KEEPING UP.

>>JAY VICKERS: SO AN UPDATE ON THE RESERVOIR REPAIR

PROCESS?

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: THE WATER RESOURCES IN GENERAL BECAUSE

WHEN THE RESERVOIR GOES DOWN, THE TREATMENT PLANT AND THE

ALAFIA, THEY DON'T USE WATER BECAUSE THE TREATMENT PLANT

USES THE RESERVOIR, SO, THEREFORE, THERE IS A CLAUSE IN THE

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INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT THAT THEY CAN GO BACK TO WELLFIELD

PUMPING, SO I WANT TO SEE HOW THEY ARE WITH THEIR SUPPLY.

>>JAY VICKERS: OKAY.

SO -- AND THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE --

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: IT'S CONFUSING.

>>JAY VICKERS: NO, BUT THOSE DETAILS ARE IMPORTANT BECAUSE

THE MORE SPECIFIC WE MAKE OUR REQUEST, THE BETTER ANSWER AND

THE FASTER WE'LL GET AN ANSWER.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: RIGHT.

RIGHT.

>>JAY VICKERS: SO IS YOUR PRIMARY CONCERN -- DO THEY HAVE

ANY PLANS TO START THE WELLFIELD PUMPING AGAIN, IS THAT YOUR

PRIMARY CONCERN?

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: RIGHT, RIGHT.

>>JAY VICKERS: OKAY.

SO IF -- SO MAYBE WE COULD ASK THE QUESTION, IS -- HAS

THE -- MAYBE A PROGRESS UPDATE ON THE RESERVOIR REPAIRS AND

IF THERE ARE ANY PLANS TO RESTART --

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: SEE, THE RIVER -- THE HARVESTING OF THE

RIVER AND THE RESERVOIR WAS TO TAKE THE PRESSURE OFF THE

WELLFIELDS, BUT IN THAT LITTLE CLAUSE IN THAT INTERLOCAL IT

SAYS FOR HEALTH, SAFETY, AND WELFARE IT CAN GO BACK TO THE

WELLFIELD.

>>JAY VICKERS: RIGHT.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: ALTHOUGH WE'VE HAD PLENTY OF RAIN, WHICH

I'M -- IT'S BEAUTIFUL TO SEE ALL THE WATER IN OUR WETLANDS.

PART OF THAT WAS FROM CUTTING THE PUMPING BACK, BUT I WANT

TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT IT TO BE A

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PROBLEM.

>>JAY VICKERS: ABSOLUTELY.

SO I THINK IF WE JUST SORT OF JUMP TO THE PUNCHLINE HERE,

WE'LL GET A YES OR NO ANSWER ON THAT, SO IF WE CAN GET

SOMETHING IN WRITING.

SO ARE THERE ANY PLANS SIX MONTHS, 12 MONTHS?

HOW LONG OF A TIME FRAME DO YOU WANT, SIX MONTHS?

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: YEAH, BECAUSE WHEN THAT RESERVOIR GOES

DOWN --

>>JAY VICKERS: OKAY.

SO ARE THERE ANY -- ANY PLANS --

>>BARBARA ADERHOLD: THE RESERVOIR IS DOWN.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: THE RESERVOIR IS DOWN?

>>BARBARA ADERHOLD: THE RESERVOIR IS DOWN.

>>JAY VICKERS: IT'S DOWN.

>>BARBARA ADERHOLD: IT'S DOWN.

>>JAY VICKERS: OKAY.

SO ARE THERE ANY -- SO AS THE RESERVOIR RENOVATION PLANS

ARE -- PLANS ARE UNDERWAY, ARE THERE ANY PLANS TO START

WELLFIELD PUMPING?

>> OKAY.

DO WE WANT JUST A LETTER OR DO WE WANT SOMEONE TO COME

SPEAK?

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: NO, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOMEONE COME.

>> OKAY.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: I HAVEN'T HAD TO DEAL WITH WATER PEOPLE

FOR A WHILE.

I KIND OF MISSED IT.

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>>BARBARA ADERHOLD: TAMPA BAY WATER OR SWFWMD?

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: I WANT BOTH OF THEM.

[LAUGHTER]

>>JAY VICKERS: SWFWMD WOULD PROBABLY -- WELL, THAT COULD BE

CHALLENGING.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: TAMPA BAY WATER'S THE WORST, SO ANYWAY --

>>JAY VICKERS: YEAH.

ALL RIGHT.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: TAMPA BAY WATER WOULD BE --

>>JAY VICKERS: SO IF WE COULD JUST GET A -- SO LET'S START

WITH A STAFF REQUEST, AND WE CAN PUT THEM ON OUR SPEAKER

LIST FOR WHENEVER THE NEXT SLOT IS, BUT IF WE COULD JUST GET

A REQUEST TO SOMEBODY ON STAFF TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS, YOU

KNOW, ARE THERE ANY PLANS TO RESTART THE WELLFIELD PUMPING

WHILE THE RESERVOIR IS BEING REPAIRED.

>>KAY DOUGHTY: [INAUDIBLE]

>>JAY VICKERS: AND AN UPDATE ON THE REPAIR PROCESS.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: ALSO, JAY, WE HAD A WATER TEAM IN THIS

COUNTY, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THEY DID AWAY WITH IT OR NOT, SO

YOU MIGHT CHECK WITH THAT.

>>JAY VICKERS: OKAY.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: SEE IF WE STILL HAVE OUR WATER TEAM.

I DON'T KNOW ANYMORE.

>>JAY VICKERS: ANY OTHER OTHER BUSINESS?

>> MOVE TO ADJOURN.

>>JAY VICKERS: HOLD ON A SECOND.

>> SORRY.

>> QUICK QUESTION.

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DO WE WANT TO STICK WITH ONE SPEAKER PER MEETING, OR SINCE

WE HAVE A COUPLE EXTRA PEOPLE WE WANT TO INVITE, DO WE WANT

TO DOUBLE UP FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR BECAUSE THE REST-OF-

THE-YEAR SLOTS ARE TAKEN AT THIS POINT.

>>JAY VICKERS: THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

>>SPENCER KASS: WELL, I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO GO TO OUR

NEW POLICY OF KEEPING -- WHICH WE DIDN'T DO TODAY -- THE

SPEAKERS DOWN TO, LIKE, FIVE MINUTES AND THE REST OF THE

TIME FOR US TO ASK QUESTIONS, THEN WE'RE OKAY WITH TWO, BUT

WE HAVE TO REALLY STICK -- I MEAN, LET THESE GUYS KNOW WHEN

THEY COME IF THEY WANT TO SAY SOMETHING, THEY CAN HAVE FIVE

MINUTES OF SHTICK, AND THEN AFTER THAT THEY'VE GOTTA DEAL

WITH US.

>>JAY VICKERS: YES.

I UNDERSTAND.

AND I THINK RON DID A GREAT JOB OF DEALING WITH US, AND

SO -- BUT I THINK THIS IS MORE INDICATIVE OF WHAT WE'RE

GOING TO SEE WITH THE SPEAKERS IN FRONT OF US BECAUSE WE ARE

PICKING THEM BASED ON SPECIFIC ISSUES AND SPECIFIC CONCERNS,

SO I THINK THAT WHAT WE SAW WITH RON IS GOING TO BE

INDICATIVE OF MOST OF THE SPEAKERS WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US.

THEY'RE GOING TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME EXPLAINING A LOT OF

THINGS.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: I WANT TO THANK YOU, ELIZABETH.

YOU'RE DOING A WONDERFUL JOB.

>> THANK YOU.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: THANK YOU, AND YOUR ASSISTANT.

>> THANKS.

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>>JAY VICKERS: HER LOVELY ASSISTANT.

[LAUGHTER]

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: THERE YOU GO.

>>JAY VICKERS: THE -- LET'S SEE.

SO DO WE WANT TO DOUBLE UP ON THE SPEAKERS OR DO WE WANT TO

LEAVE THEM AS IS?

I MEAN, ALSO -- REMEMBER THE REASON WE DID THAT IS BECAUSE

WE WERE HOPING TO GET, FIRST OF ALL, MORE SUBSTANTIVE

DISCUSSION WITH EACH OF THE SPEAKERS AND SECONDLY

SUBSTANTIVE SUBCOMMITTEE REPORTS --

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: RIGHT.

>>JAY VICKERS: -- AND THAT WILL TAKE UP OUR TIME.

>>DEBORAH COPE: I THINK IT WOULD DEPEND ON PROBABLY WHAT

THE TOPIC'S GOING TO BE.

LIKE, TODAY'S TOPIC, OBVIOUSLY, YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO PUT

ANYBODY ELSE TODAY --

>>JAY VICKERS: CORRECT.

>>DEBORAH COPE: -- BUT MAYBE IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S JUST

LIKE AN UPDATIVE KIND OF THING, WE COULD PROBABLY TRY TO

SQUEEZE TWO IN.

LIKE THE RNC, MAYBE WE COULD PUT SOMEBODY WITH, YOU KNOW,

THAT.

>>JAY VICKERS: SURE.

>>KAY DOUGHTY: YOU KNOW, IN THEORY, I AGREE, BUT --

>>DEBORAH COPE: YOU NEVER KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO.

>>KAY DOUGHTY: -- THAT NEVER HAPPENS WITH US, BECAUSE ONE

QUESTION SPENCER GENERATES, SEVERAL OF US RESPOND.

>>JAY VICKERS: YEAH.

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EXACTLY.

JIM.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: OF COURSE, THE WATER, I MIGHT GET CARRIED

AWAY ON THAT.

>> WELL, AS I HEARD IT, WE'RE TRYING TO GET -- WELL, RNC IS

SLATED FOR NEXT MONTH, AND THEN DID WE ALSO WANT THE BUDGET

REPRESENTATIVE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, NEXT MONTH AS WELL?

>>JAY VICKERS: YEAH.

>> YEAH.

>>JAY VICKERS: OKAY.

SO RNC --

>> THAT WILL BE --

>>JAY VICKERS: [INDISCERNIBLE CROSS TALK] NEXT MONTH.

>> SO THAT WILL BE OUR FIRST DOUBLED UP SPEAKER THEN.

>>SPENCER KASS: THAT'S ALL RIGHT.

WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

>>JAY VICKERS: AND -- YES, AND RNC MAY BE SHORT.

I'M EXPECTING IT TO BE.

>>KAY DOUGHTY: RIGHT.

AND IT CAN DEPEND ON THE PROGRESS OF THE COMMITTEES,

BECAUSE, I MEAN, AS WE GET STARTED, WE'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING

TO HAVE A WHOLE LOT TO REPORT.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: I DON'T WANT A LONGWINDED ONE FROM THIS

RNC.

>>SPENCER KASS: DON'T WORRY, YOU AIN'T GOING TO GET ONE.

[LAUGHTER]

>>JAY VICKERS: THE PURPOSE OF THIS IS -- IT'S ALL ABOUT

RETURN ON INVESTMENT IS WHAT OUR FOCUS IS.

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THIS IS NOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH RNC OR SOMEBODY FROM THE

RNC, THIS IS JUST UNDERSTANDING HOW THEY'RE COMING AND

IDENTIFYING THE RETURN ON THE INVESTMENT TO HILLSBOROUGH

COUNTY TAXPAYERS FOR HOSTING THE RNC.

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: WELL, THAT CAN BE LONGWINDED.

>>JAY VICKERS: YEAH.

WELL, IF THAT'S LONGWINDED, THEN IT'S LONGWINDED BECAUSE

WE --

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: THEY SHOULD CUT THEM UP.

>>JAY VICKERS" NO, WE NEED THAT ANSWER.

WE REALLY NEED THAT ANSWER, SO --

>>GAYE TOWNSEND: AND THEN YOU ALSO --

>>SPENCER KASS: ALL RIGHT.

MOVE TO ADJOURN.

>>JAY VICKERS: ALL RIGHT.

ANYTHING ELSE?

>> SECOND.

>>JAY VICKERS: NOPE.

ALL RIGHT.

MOTION TO ADJOURN.

>> SECOND.

>>JAY VICKERS: ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH.