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Posted Sep 25, 2006 @ 12:11 pm

EDTTraffic stop on Saturday

I wasn't stopped, but a good friend of mine was stopped by a small town

officer Saturday (I was also in the car). The officer said that the reason for

the stop was "speeding" at 53 in a 40mph zone (or something like that).

My buddy gave the officer his DL & CWP, as well as his registration &

proof of insurance. The officer never once even ASKED if my friend wascurrently armed, or where the weapon was located. (we aren't required to

produce the CWP or notify an LEO unless we are carrying at thatmoment, but SC law does require us to disclose when asked for ID). Theofficer never spoke directly to me nor asked for my ID, so I did not need

to disclose. There were absolutely ZERO questions regarding the firearm,

its location, there was no "disarming" anyone on a flimsy pretext of

"officer safety" nor any searching of persons or vehicles. (where was theneed? The permit verifies a clean rap sheet)

Well, my friend DID get a ticket, but he was told that the officer wouldmeet him at the hearing and "see what we can do about getting it

reduced." Bottom line is, the LEOs I keep running into here in my fine

state all seem to be just fine & dandy with regular, everyday citizenscarrying firearms. They seem to realize that we in the CWP community

are fully "on their side" in the good guys vs bad guys struggle in today's

society.

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Posted Sep 25, 2006 @ 1:59 pm

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Traffic Stop

Well the officer was certainly able to give a warning, just as much as a

ticket. If he was willing to show up to help reduce the fine why didn't he

just give a writen warning? His attitude & professionalism were good, so,

the ticket aside I guess we would have to say it was a good experience.

Stand up, be counted & carry often!

What part of "Shall not be infringed" is not being abused today?

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Posted Sep 25, 2006 @ 2:48 pm

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LEO Encounter

Other than just getting a warning instead of possibly having the ticket

eliminated later,this stop seems very positive.

The LEO acted professionally, with no attitude or bias.Always good to hear.



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Posted Sep 25, 2006 @ 6:35 pm

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Before a LEO gets out of their car

they run the plates so they already know if the owner has a record. I stillcan not understand why you believe you should not receive a citation

when you are caught speeding or for some other traffic infraction just

because you have a CCW permit. Only fellow LEO's are afforded suchcourtesy. I am tired of hearing about this "extensive" background check
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you think you went through. Try getting a higher-level DoD security

clearance. Not only do they run your fingerprints (which is the only thingthey do for a CCW permit), they pull all three of your credit reports every

few days for a couple of weeks, talk to your supervisors, friends,

neighbors and coworkers, and check your medical records. And you have

to disclose all of your financials; income, holdings, and debts. And thoseof your spouse if you are married. After that, a Federal Officer interviews

you. And you're drug tested. Depending on your work assignment, you

also may need to pass a lie detector test. And periodically, you get to gothrough it all again. In addition, you are required to take random drug

tests without any prior notice. You come to work and your supervisor

orders you to report to a contracted medical lab. You never eat poppy-seed rolls again. Should I think I'm "special" because I had to go through

all this? I bet most of you would say it was an invasion of privacy and

civil rights. There, I feel better now.

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-packingEmail Wow!What a diatribe,the Fed!You definitely are ready for that Pasco County,Florida retirement.

The sooner the better.

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Posted Sep 25, 2006 @ 6:51 pm

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I agree

I agree that just because you hold a CCW license you shouldn't beafforded any "courtesy". On the other hand, if you are an LEO, that seems

obvious.

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Posted Sep 25, 2006 @ 7:54 pm

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RE: Before a LEO gets out of their car

The_Fed wrote:they run the plates so they already know if the owner has a record. I still

can not understand why you believe you should not receive a citationwhen you are caught speeding or for some other traffic infraction justbecause you have a CCW permit. Only fellow LEO's are afforded such

courtesy. I am tired of hearing about this "extensive" background check

you think you went through. Try getting a higher-level DoD securityclearance. Not only do they run your fingerprints (which is the only thing

they do for a CCW permit), they pull all three of your credit reports every

few days for a couple of weeks, talk to your supervisors, friends,neighbors and coworkers, and check your medical records. And you have

to disclose all of your financials; income, holdings, and debts. And those

of your spouse if you are married. After that, a Federal Officer interviews

you. And you're drug tested. Depending on your work assignment, youalso may need to pass a lie detector test. And periodically, you get to go

through it all again. In addition, you are required to take random drug

tests without any prior notice. You come to work and your supervisororders you to report to a contracted medical lab. You never eat poppy-

seed rolls again. Should I think I'm "special" because I had to go through

all this? I bet most of you would say it was an invasion of privacy andcivil rights. There, I feel better now.
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I love a occasional rant and I'm glad you feel better.Damn, no poppy seed rolls ? Now that is hitting low.



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Posted Sep 26, 2006 @ 12:38 amEDT

RE: Wow!

SUSPICION wrote:

What a diatribe,the Fed!

You definitely are ready for that Pasco County,Florida retirement.The sooner the better.

It's no diatribe. I held a TS clearance with higher than TS endorsement for

just short of 20 years active duty service and 10 years after retirement

accepted a federal civil service position that required the same clearance

with even higher level access for emergency situations.

Everything he described is factual and not exaggerated.
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You put up with it if you want to keep the employment. Background

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RE: RE: Wow!

Bruce_Foreman wrote:

SUSPICION wrote:

What a diatribe,the Fed!You definitely are ready for that Pasco County,Florida retirement.

The sooner the better.



accepted a federal civil service position that required the same clearancewith even higher level access for emergency situations.

Everything he described is factual and not exaggerated.

You put up with it if you want to keep the employment. Background

investigation for me was updated every five years.

BruceI was just having fun with the Fed.He didn't take it seriously so neither

should you.

I'm ex-Govt. myself(24 years)so I'm very aware of the stresses and strains.

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accepted a federal civil service position that required the same clearancewith even higher level access for emergency situations.

You are aware that admitting to even having a security clearance

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Posted Sep 27, 2006 @ 3:53 pm

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RE: Before a LEO gets out of their car

The_Fed wrote:

I still can not understand why you believe you should not receive acitation when you are caught speeding or for some other traffic infraction

just because you have a CCW permit.

Who says we do?

The_Fed wrote:

Only fellow LEO's are afforded such courtesy.

But they SHOULDN'T get such treatment. If they break the same law,shouldn't they get FAIR AND EQUAL treatment? Or should they be

considered SUPER citizens, better than the rest of us peons?

The_Fed wrote:I am tired of hearing about this "extensive" background check you think

you went through.

Who cares what you're tired of? Wanna know what I'm tired of? ;)

The_Fed wrote:

Try getting a higher-level DoD security clearance.Been there. Done that. Served in Commo in Germany. They went back15yrs on me and 5yrs on my wife. Do I get a cookie?

The_Fed wrote:

Should I think I'm "special" because I had to go through all this?

Well, it sounds like this is already the case, now doesn't it?
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Does an LEO need you to hold a TSBI clearance before he gives you a

speeding ticket? Must we all pass a federal clearance before we are issueda gun permit? Nope. Its his decision to give you the ticket or just give you

a warning. I never said we SHOULD've gotten out of the ticket. I just

passed on the story because I was happy that it was a positive LEO

encounter (IMHO). Its time for another valium and some more fiber inyour diet....

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