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INDY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS TO ANSWER(1 ) Why did 77 "disappear" from the radar scope? Has anyone at FAA looked at this issue andhas remedial action been taken?(2) Did anyone at Indy contact NORAD or the military?(3 ) Exactly what steps did Indy controllers take to try and determine the fate of Flight 77? Whydid no one "see" the primary target that was 77 when it reemerged on radar at 0910?(4 ) What notifications were made to whom and when?(5 ) What was the miscommunication that led to the "confirmation" of Flight 77 down overAshland, Kentucky?

~ Did anyone at Indy know or suspect that the hit at the Pentagon was Flight 77?(6 ) When did Indy receive confirmation that Flight 77 had hit the Pentagon?(7 ) Why did all the controllers amend their statements?GENERAL "POLLING" QUESTIONS(1 ) On 9/11, was the controller aware of the potential for a suicide hijacking scenario,? To yourknowledge, were others in the FAA aware of the potential for a suicide hijacking scenario?(2 ) On 9/11, what type of exercises - sponsored by either FAA, FEMA, DoD, or some combinationth er eo f - related to hijackings had the controller ever participated in?(3 ) On 9/11, how would a controller have detected a hijack situation?(4) On 9/11, what procedures would a controller have followed in a hijack situation?(5 ) On 9/11, was the controller familiar with NORAD? If so, how would he/she have contactedNORAD and under what circumstances?INTERVIEW OUTLINEI. Introduction of Commission

Who are we? The September 11 Commission is an independent, bipartisan Commissioncreated by Congress and the President to investigate the facts and circumstances surroundingth e 9-11 attacks an d make recommendations to prevent an d prepare fo r future terroristattacks. There are 10 Commissioners, 5 Republicans and 5 Democrats, and a professionalstaff of about 50 people. The staff is divided into different teams that are examining differentissues - for example, there is a team that is concentrating just on immigration issues, there's ateam that is examining terrorist financing - how the hijackers got their money - and there is ateam that is looking the intelligence issues at the FBI & CIA.We are part of the team that will be writing the story of what happened on 9/11 - for example,what happened on the planes, what did the militaryVNORAD do in response, what did theFAA do, and what th e first responders - police and fire fighters - did on 9/11. We are to tell

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the story of what worked an d what d idn't work. Our report is due to come out at the end ofnext May. Hopefully it will accomplish at least two things: (1) first, it will get the factsstraight; that is, the Comm ission w ill write the definitive story of what happened on 9/11; and(2) it will make thoughtful recommendations on how w e as a nation can avoid this type oftragedy again.W hy do we want to talk to you? Our team will be interviewing virtually every person whowas directly involved w ith the hijacked aircraft on 9-11. So within the FAA that means allthe air traffic controllers, supervisors, administrators at the ROCs, people at the CommandCenter and those at Headquarters who were involved with the crisis on 9/11. In addition, wewill be going out to NORA D, talking to the pilots, th e controllers, and the other militarypersonnel who were engaged in the air defense response that day. So you're not alone - w eare by no means singling out this Center for attention.W hat kinds of questions will we be asking? W ell, I have had a chance to read the personnelstatement you filled out after 9/11 and review the transcript of the ATC recordings that day.So I will probably ask you some questions about each of those. In addition, I am veryinterested in hearing your thoughts on wo rked w ell on 9/11 - in terms of yo ur Center - andwhat didn't work as well. Finally, we are interested in your thoughts and recomm endationsabout the changes that have been made since 9/11, and what m ore you think needs to bedone.Let m e emphasize that we are not investigating you personally, we are not prosecutinganybody. Our policy is to tape interviews because as I said, we are trying to ensure that whatwe w rite is factually correct, and we have to interview hun dreds of people.Now, before we start let me ask if you any questions about what I said or about what we'redoing here today. A lso, as a preliminary matter let me ask did anyone discuss the subjectmatter of today's interview with you prior to today? If so, who? Did anyone at the FAA orelsewhere instruct you not to discuss or to discuss certain subject matters today? If so, who?What subject matters?

II. Employee BackgroundTell m e a little bit about your background (e.g., how long you've been a controller, how longwith FAA, what positions, etc.)

III . Job Description (General)(1 ) On 9/11 how would you have described yo ur duties and responsibilities as a controller?

How many aircraft do you typically handle in a day? In a morning?How is your Center organized? Role of supervisors/managers? Role of Radar Associate?Explain the process whereby Positions are assigned to controllers and controllers relieveone another of Positions.How /when do you interact with the airlines?How/when do you interact with the Command Center? With HQ?

(2 ) How have those responsibilities changed since 9/11?



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(May want to address later in interview)(3) From a technical standpoint, explain to me w hat information you're seeing when you look atyour scope.

What information is typically displayed in the data block? Do different controllers havedifferent settings or is the display consistent througho ut a facility?Mode 3 = beacon = transponder? Difference between flight number and Mode 3? Whenand why wo uld a controller ask an aircraft to squawk a different Mode 3?What does it mean to say an aircraft has gone into "coast"? Is that the same as saying anaircraft is a primary target?How do you know when an aircraft deviates from its authorized course? Does the datablock start to blink or so mething?What controls do you have to change/alter the format of the display? (i.e. query data formore info)Who else within FAA or elsewhere i s seeing this same information? Can otherARTCC/TRACON/ATCT facilities or the Comm and Center also see this data? W ill it bedisplayed differently?Describe to me what happens when there is a technical failure and you lose data display.Does this happen fo r individual flight information of would the whole system go down?Describe other circumstances where you may lose flight tracking data.W hat capabilities, if any, do you have to determine the altitude an d speed of an aircraft inthe absence of a transponder signal? Would other controllers in the system (i.e. TRACONcontrollers) be able to discern altitude from their display?

IV . Training & Procedures Related to HijackingsProcedures on 9/11

(1 ) If you can think back to what you knew on 9/11, versus what you know now, at that timewhat was your understanding of the procedures you w ere to follow in a hijack situation? W hatwas your understanding of the protocol fo r hijackings?(2) How did you know that this was the protocol? W here was it written dow n? Was this subject"taught" or included as part of you r training? Please describe you r training on this issue.(3 ) On 9/11, what were th e manuals/documents yo u would have turned to for guidance in acrisis? Where would these documents have been located? On 9/11, to your knowledge didanyone refer to these manuals fo r instruction?

(4) On 9/11, how would you have detected a hijacking situation?Nordo Aircraft

Prior to 9/11, wh at did you do if an aircraft was not comm unicating with an FAA facility?What was the SOP? Where was that procedure w ritten dow n?



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Prior to 9-11, how often would you lose radio contact with an aircraft? W hat are thereasons w hy you w ould lose contact with an aircraft? (e.g. mechanical failure)Prior to 9-11, what is the longest passage of time that you lost radio contact w ith acommercial aircraft? Wh at is the longest time on e of your colleagues has lost radiocontact with a commercial aircraft?

Non-Transponding AircraftPrior to 9-11, what would you have done if an aircraft stopped transmitting itstransponder code? [Understand as a technical matter how he/she w ould know that is whathad occurred]Prior to 9-11, how often would yo u lose the transponder signal (i.e., mod e three code) of acommercial aircraft? How often was the loss of transpon der signal attributable tomechanical or technical failures?Was there an y mechan ical device or method to determine the altitude of a commercialaircraft that is NORDO with no transponder signal? What about the speed of such anaircraft? The direction?Prior to 9-11, in your handling of comm ercial aircraft, wh at is the longest period of timethat an aircraft has been w ithout a transponder signal? If you are aware, what is thelongest period of time during w hich one of your colleagues has handled a commercialaircraft with no transponder signal?

Course DeviationPrior to 9-11, what was FAA SOP for handling a commercial aircraft that deviatedslightly from its intended course? About how often would this occur?What about an aircraft that deviated substan tially from its intended course? How often didthis happen? Prior to 9-11, how many times have you handled a commercial aircraft thatdeviated substan tially from its intended course? What were the reasons for the aircraft'sdeviation?Prior to 9-11, how m any times have you handled a comm ercial aircraft that deviatedsubstantially from its intended course and was NORDO? What were the circumstancesthat caused such events?Prior to 9-11, how many t imes had you handled a commercial aircraft that deviatedsubstantially from its intended course, was NOR DO and without a transponder signal?What were the circumstances that caused such events?

Procedures Post 9/11(1 ) What is your und erstanding today of the procedures to follow in a hijacking situation?

Exercises(1) On 9/11, what type of exercises - sponsored by either FAA, FEMA, DoD, or somecombination thereof- related to hijackings had you ever participated in? If you have neverparticipated in an exercise involving a hijack scenario, are you aware of others who have?

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(2 ) Prior to 9/11, had you heard of or were you aware that others within FA A were aware of thepotential for a suicide hijacking scenario?(3 ) What is your und erstanding of the SCAT ANA procedure? Have you ever participated in aSCAT ANA exercise?

V. Events of 9/11(1 ) Describe in your own wo rds what happened in this Center on 9/11.

(2 ) REFER TO SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR EACH CO NTRO LLER(3) General Areas to C over

Situational Aw areness on 9\11(1 ) What specifically did you know about other aircraft that were hijacked and/or had hit theW TC in NY? W ho told you this information? Can you place when you knew this information?(2) Did any of the controllers involved with 77 know or suspect that the aircraft that hit thePentagon w as Flight 77?Contacts\familiarity with NORAD(1) On 9/11, were you familiar with N O R A D ? What w as your und erstanding of the ro le NORA Dwas to play in a hijacking?(2 ) Did you or anyone you know of in the Center contact NORA D on 9/11? Would you haveknown who and how to contact NORAD on 9/11?(3) What is your view today of the FAA's relationship with NORAD?

Ground ing All FlightsADD QUESTIONSMiscellaneous

(1) In terms of crisis management an d response, w hat do you think worked well on 9/11? Whatfailures do you see that occurred that day?(2 ) How would you describe FA A's preparedness today fo r another hijacking incident? W hat arethe outstanding weaknesses?(3) If you were a member of the 9/11 Commission, looking at the aviation issues, whatrecommendation(s) wo uld you have to mak e the system safer?(4 ) Are you aware of any write up - any report, any memo, an y document whatsoever - producedby the FAA - either by this facility or another facility - that addresses the performance of theFAA on 9/11?

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Thank you for your time. Do you have any questions for me? If you think of anything to add,here is my card, please feel free to give me a call anytime.77 SPECIFIC NOTES

John Thomas (DJH)Operations Manager0855-0900: Informed of explosion at WTC ; from picture looked like mayb e a plane

(1 ) DID YOU HAV E VOLUME ON THE TV? (ANNOUNCERS WERE SAYING PLANEHAD HIT)0900: Walked over to air traffic manager - interrupted by ops supervisor who said AA77 Nordo; duringconversation people shou ted they had observed an aircraft crash into second tower. (Get exact time fromCNN tapes)

(2 ) WHO WAS THE OPS SUPERVISOR W HO INFORMED YO U? WHAT EXACTLY DIDHE/SHE SAY? WERE YOU ADVISED THAT 77 HAD STARTED A TURN (OR"SOUTHWESTERLY HEADING") BEFORE IT WENT INTO COAST?

Told supervisor to make calls forward along route of flight to block airspace0903-0910: Selected "All Primary" button on scope to see if there were an y primary targets

(3) EXPLAIN ALL PRIMARY BUTTON.Note: Transponders must fail occasionally (or perhaps mo re often) - if not, why w ould firstaction be to look at primary targets?(4) WHAT DIRECTION WERE YOU LOOKING FOR PRIMARY TARGETS?(5) DID YOU SEARCH FOR PRIMARY TARGETS AFTER 0910? IF NOT, WHY NOT?(6) DID YOU ASSIGN OTHER C ONTROLLERS TO CONTINUE LOOKING ONPRIMARY?(7) WHA T ARE THE RANGE OF POSSIBLE REASONS A PLA NE WO ULD DISAPPEARFROM RADAR?(8 ) IS THERE ANY W AY FOR A PLANE TO PURPOSEFULLY "MASK" ITSELF FROMPRIMARY RADAR - IN OTHER WORDS, IF THE HIJACKERS HAD TRIED TODISAPPEAR FROM RADAR ALTOGETHER, AS OCCURRED WITH FLIGHT 77 , COULDTHEY HAV E DONE IT?(9) IS THE AREA O VER WHICH 77 DISAPPEARED, A N AREA K NOW N TO HA VEWEAK RADAR COVERAGE? HAVE PLANES DISAPPEARED FROM THERE BEFORE?IF SO, GIVE DETAILS AN D EXPLA IN HOW OFTEN.

0905: Paged ZID-505 to requ est help gathering voice recording and NTAP data(10) WHAT IS NTAP DA TA? WHAT WILL THIS INFORMATION TELL YOU?



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0905: Told air traffic manager to call Command Center - said that in light of NY it could be a hijack.091 0:1 called AGL; lost radar and voice co mm unications with AAL77; A A had reported that anotheraircraft ha d been hijacked

(11) HOW DID YOU KNOW AA HAD ADVISED THAT THEY HAD ANOTHERAIRCRAFT HIJACKED?(12) DID YOU TELL ROC YOUR SUSPICION (ABOVE) THAT 77 MAY BE HIJACKED?(13) WHAT WAS YO UR UNDERSTANDING THE ROC WAS GOING TO DO WITH YOURINFORMATION?(14) WHY DID YOU NOTIFY COMM AND CENTER BEFORE ROC? W HO NOTIFIED THECOMMAND CENTER?(15) WAS THERE ANY MENTION OF THE MILITARY OR NORAD? DID YOU HAVE AMILITARY SPECIALIST? WHAT ABOUT USING HIM TO MAKE CONTACT?

0910-0915: Asked TMU personnel to call AF search & rescue and advise of missing aircraft0915: Called West Va State Police to advise of missing aircraft0920-0925: Called ZAU Operations Manager to advise of growing conc ern that AAL77 may have beenhijacked and he should be on looko ut - "My ow n thoughts were concerned w ith Sears Tower"

(16) WHAT DIRECTION DID YOU THINK 77 WAS HEADING?(17) WERE YOU STILL LOOKING FOR IT ON RADAR?

(18) DID YOU THINK TO ALERT OTHER CENTERS WITH SAME MESSAGE?0940: Notified the Pentagon had been hit(19) WHO TOLD YOU?(20) DID YOU THINK IT WAS 77 THA T HIT IT?(21) WERE YOUR EM PLOYEES STILL LOOKING FOR 77 AT THAT TIME?MISCELLANEOUS(1 ) WHY DID YOU AMEND YOUR STATEMENT ON 5/07/02?(2) SEARCH& RESCUE STORY: EXPLAIN YOUR UN DERSTANDING OF THE SERIES OFEVENTS THAT LED UP TO THE FALSE REPORT THAT A PLANE W AS DOWN OVER THEKENTUCKY BORDER.(3 ) NORAD QUESTIONS - HIT HARD(4) NOTIFICATION CHECK LIST: ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE FAA FORM ENTITLED"FACILITY ACCIDENT/INCIDENT NOTIFICATION RECORD"?



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EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS. IS THIS SUPPOSE TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS FILLED INCONTEMPORAN EOUS TO THE INCIDENT OR AFTERWARD? IN OTHER WORDS, IS ITA WORKING CHECKLIST TO RUN THROUGH IN AN EMERGENCY?DID THIS FACILITY COMPLETE THIS FORM ON 9/11? IF NOT, D ID ID FOLLOW SO MEOTHER PROCEDURE?DID YOU OR OTHERS AT THIS FACILITY NOTIFY THE WOC DIRECTLY?

(5 ) AS A MANAGER OF THIS FACILITY, DID YOU INSTITUTE ANY CHANGE S AFTER 9/11(ASIDE FROM THE OVERRALL FAA CHANGES)(6 ) AFTER ACTION REPORTS: TO YOUR KNOW LEDGE, DID ANYONE IN AIR TRAFFICCONTROL - EITHER AT THE ROC OR AT HEADQUARTERS OR ANOTHER SENIOR LEVEL,EVER DO ANY SORT OF WRITE UP WHICH ASSESSED THE ATC ACTIONS ON 9/11?(7 ) WHAT DOCUM ENTS, IF ANY, DID YOU PREPARE AFTER 9/11 RELATED TO THEEVENTS OF THAT DAY?(8 ) DAILY RECORD OF FACILITY OPERATIONS: WE HAVE TWO, AREA 3 AND "E DESK"- ARE THERE OTHERS? NO EN TRIES ABOUT OTHER HIJACK INGS, VERY LITTLE ABOU T 77

(9 ) NEADS LOG ENTRY - NOTIFICATION AT 0924: WERE YOU ASKED ABOUT THISENTRY? WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE SOURCE OF IT?(10) AIRCRAFT ACCIDENT/INCIDENT PRELIMINARY NOTICE: SHOW 93 DOCUMENT -WAS SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS PREPARED FOR 77?(11) CERTIFICATION: WHY DID KATHRYN HUGH ES PREPARE AND SIGN THE INDEX OFMATERIALS FOR THE ACCIDENT REPO RT?(12) WHEN WERE YOU ASKED TO PULL TOGETHER ALL DOCUMENTS AND TAPESRELATED TO 77? WHO DID THEY GO TO?(13) CONFERENCE WITH COMMAND CENTER: WHO WOULD HAVE BEEN ON IT FROMINDY?Linda Marie Povinelli (DJH)Operations SupervisorPaged wh ile in Supervisor's Office (HER OFFICE OR ANOTHER SUPERVISOR?); Spoke to JohnThomas who said aircraft lost radar and frequency; Returned to Area 3 operations imm ediately; CIC -Dick Byard - briefed on lost radar and rad io contact

(1 ) WHAT DID BYARD TELL YOU ABOUT FLIGHT 77? DIRECTION IT WAS HEADING?(2 ) WHAT DID THOMAS DIRECT YOU TO DO?

(3) WHAT DID YOU KNOW AT THIS POINT ABOUT OTHER HIJACKED AIRCRAFTAND/OR HITS ON WTC? FROM WHOM?



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(4) WAS THERE A TELEVISION ANYWH ERE AROUND YOU?0900: (or "sometime shortly thereafter") - called military ops specialist (Kevin Schott) and asked him tocall search and rescue(5 ) WHY WAS YOUR FIRST CALL TO SEARCH AND RESCUE?0903: called AAL d ispatch and talked to Jim McDo nald; will get back

(6 ) DID MCDONA LD TELL YOU HE WAS ALSO SPEAKING TO HNN RA (SCHIFANO)?(7 ) HOW DO YOU K NOW YOU PLACED THIS CALL AT 0903? HOW DO YOU KNOWSPECIFICS OF OTHER TIMES?

0907: Called LEX APCH (??) to search for extra beacon codes; on hold; hung up(8 ) WHAT IS THIS A REFERENCE TO?0914: ("either before or right after") - received return call from McD onald; said another plane hijackedand hit WTC; "he thought AAL77 had also been done as such." "I recall stating that there had not beensufficient time for that to occur why AAL77 and that we were still looking for them."

(9) SITUATIONAL AWARENESS: WHAT DID YOU KNOW ABOUT OTHERHIJACKTNGS/WTC HITS BEFORE THIS TIME?(10) WHA T DO YOU MEAN BY THE LAST SENTENCE - NOT SUFFICIENT TIME FORTHAT TO OCCUR?

0914: Called ZDC to coordinate routes for aircraft eastbound; terminated call when heard AAL 77 onguard frequency. It was AAL683 trying to raise AAL7 7.0916: Called ZDC again; realized I had incorrect area; tried again; shared that we had lost AAL 77,trying to track down, "I requested that should AAL77 or something come up on AAL77 with ZDC,please let us know as we had not confirm ed wh at had happened yet."

(11) WHY ARE YOU CALLING ZDC TO ALERT THEM TO LOOK OUT FOR 77? WHYNOT OTHER CENTERS? [MUST HAVE THOUGHT AIRCRAFT WAS HEADING BACKTO DC]Interspersed were tasks for all Area 3 controllers to look for AAL77's beacon, then to look for a hijackcode, then primary targets.

(12) WHO WERE THE AREA 3 CONTROLLERS? WHAT EXACTLY WERE THEINSTRUCTIONS YOU GAVE? WHERE WERE THEY LOOK ING FO R PRIMARYTARGETS?(13) WERE YOU CHEC KING RADA R TO SEE IF 77 CAM E UP AS A PRIMARY T ARGET?DID YOU INSTRUCT OTHERS TO BE CHECKING RADAR?

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[DJH: STILL LOOKING FOR THEM - 2 POSSIBLITIES; EITHER U P IN THE AIR NOTTRANSPONDING OR CRASHED1. SEARCHING FO R PRIMARY TRACKS2. CALLING OTHER CENTERS3. CALLING SEARCH AND RESCUE]Steve Lutom ski (JF) - Search and RescueSupervisor of Traffic Management CoordinatorsSally Weed (JF)Support Man ager for OperationsKevin Schott (JF)Traffic Managem ent CoordinatorAnthony Schifano (DJH)Henderson Radar AssociateConversation at beginning of transcript with DAC RA (Theresa A dams) about screens

(1) WHAT WAS CONVERSATION ABOUT WITH DAC RA AT BEGINNING OFTRANSCRIPT?(2) WHERE WERE YOU LOCATED IN RELATION TO THE HENDERSONCONTROLLER? WAS THE HENDERSON CONTROLLER RUDY GAYDE OR CHARLESTHOMAS WHEN THESE EVENTS WERE OCCURRING?

0850: 77 Cleared to Falm outh"I observed the aircraft starting a southw esterly heading and the aircraft went into coast track."

(3) WHAT DOES IT ME AN TO GO INTO "COAST TRACK"? HOW DOESTHAT DIFFER FROM GOING TO A PRIMARY TARGET?(4) WAS THE "SOUTHWESTERLY HEADING" A DEVIATION FROM FLIGHT PATH?DID IT LOOK TO YOU LIKE 77 WAS STARTING A TURN BEFORE IT WENT INTOCOAST?

0856-0858: Tried to call flight but no responseStatement: Looked fo r primary target

(5) HOW LONG DID YOU CONTINUE TO MONITOR THE SCOPE FOR PRIMARYTARGETS? WHERE W ERE YOU LOOKING?

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0858: Calls AA Dispatch - Jim McDonnell - asks him to try and reach the plane0902: Calls back McDo nnell - "w e uh w e lost track control of the guy he's in coast track but we hav en'twe don't really know where his targe t is and we can't get a hold of him" - asks to try again0906:22: HNN RA to DAC RA : "this is Henderson American seventy seven eh do you guys have radaron him is he over Falmo uth or"

(6) WHY WOULD Y OU ASK THE DAC RA IF THEY COULD SEE HIM OV ERFALMOUTH? ARE YOU NOT ABLE TO VIEW THAT LOCATION FROM YOUR SCOPE?(7) DAC RA REPLIES TO YOU AT 1306:26: "NO WE JUST MOV ED THE TRACK THEREW E NEVER YOU KNOW" WHAT IS SHE REFERRING TO?

0909: Co ntacts AA Dispatch for third time - learns that AA 11 was hijacked(8 ) PRIOR TO THIS CONVE RSATION, WERE Y OU AWA RE THAT OTHER PLANES HADBEEN HIJACKED AND/OR HIT THE WTC? WHAT DID YOU KN OW /FROM W HOM ?

0910: (9) WH O IS THIS CONVERSATION WITH? DO YOU REMEMBER W H A T W A S SAID?0911: Contacts DAC RA; informs her of news from AA L Dispatch0912-1 4: Series of "unintelligible" conversations from transcript(10) WHAT W AS GOING ON DURING THIS TIME?0914: Fourth call to AA L Dispatch; he says he's already talked to Cen ter and provided all he know s

(11) WHAT DID YOU DO AFTER THAT CALL? W HY DOES THE TRANSCRIPT/TAPEEND AT THAT POINT?Statement: "I forw arded this information [news from AA L dispatch] to the radar controller, m yimmediate supervisor, facility manag ement w ho was present at the time, and also notified the DacosSector of the situation."

(12) WHO W AS YOUR IMMEDIATE SUPERVISOR? WHEN DID YOU NOTIFY HIM ORHER? WAS HE OR SHE ALREADY A WA RE OF THE OTHER HIJACKINGS? IF SO,FROM WHOM?(13) DID YOU COMMUNICATE TO YOUR SUPERVISOR OR OTHER THESOUTHWESTERLY COURSE YOU SAW THE AIRCRAFT START BEFORE GOING TOCOAST?(14) WHAT INSTRUCTIONS DID YOUR SUPERVISOR OR OTHER MANA GEMENTOFFICIALS GIVE YOU? WHAT W ERE THEY DOING?(15) WHO WAS THE FACILITY MANAGEMENT YOU REFERENCE IN YOURSTATEMENT? SAME QUESTIONS AS ABOV E?

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Gayde took hand off from ZDC, then was relieved by Charles Thomas(1 ) AT WHAT POINT IN THE TRANSCRIPT W ERE YOU RELIEVED OF THE POSITIONBY CHARLES THOMAS? WHAT DID YOU DO AFTER THAT?

(2 ) ASK SITUATIONAL AWARENESS/OBSERVER QUESTIONS

Rhonda Adams (DJH)Dacos Sector Radar AssociateNote: Dacos Radar - Joseph Eisert - deceased0906:22: HNN RA to DAC RA: "this is Henderson American seventy seven eh do you guys have radaron him is he over Falmouth or"

(1 ) W HY WOULD YOU ASK THE D AC RA IF THEY COULD SEE HIM OVERFALMOUTH? ARE YOU NOT ABLE TO VIEW THAT LOCATION FROM YOUR SCOPE?(2) YOU REPLIED TO HNN RA AT 1306:26: "NO WE JUST MOVED THE TRACK THEREWE NEVER YOU KNOW" WHAT WERE YOU REFERRING TO?

0906:39: DAC RA SPEAKING TO HNN RA: "and his last clearance as far as you know is on course toFalmouth and then jay on thirty four right well we're just gonna treat him like non radar and we'vealready told the next sector they're gonna have to sterilize for him until we find out(3 ) WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO "TREAT HIM LIKE NON RADAR" - WHAT PROCEDUREARE YOU REFERRING TO?

Jeffrey Phillips (DJH )Batesville RadarRandy Kath (JF)Impel Radar CoordinatorSteve Harting (JF) - Search and Rescue EffortTraffic Man agement Coordinator

NEED TO SCHEDULECharles ThomasHenderson Radar (0843-092?)(1 ) What did you mean when you said that the track went into "coast"?

So is AAT-20 Timeline correct when it says: "0856:19: Both primary an d secondary radarcontact was simultaneously lost. There is no longer any information on AAL77 on the ZID radardisplays."?

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