Jesus’ Sabbath’s Resurrection and Seventh-day AdventismQuestion

"Most other Sabbath keepers or Sabbatarians such as Church of God Seventh Dayand Seventh Day Baptist teach a Wednesday (high Sabbath) crucifixion and Sabbath

evening resurrection (literal 3 days and 3 nights in grave). Is your belief in aFriday crucifixion and Sunday resurrection unchanged because SDAs  believe it

conflicts with the writings of Ellen G. White? I've also noticed that many, notall, Sunday keeping denominations believe the "Lord's Day" in Revelation 1:10 tobe Sunday and SDAs believe it is Saturday. But again, most other Sabbatarians

believe the term "Lord's Day" in Revelation 1:10 is referring to the Great Dayof the LORD or The Day of the LORD referenced throughout the Bible's old and new

testaments and especially the book of Joel, which is actually an event of God'swrath in the last days and not pertaining to any day of the week. Could SDAspossibly be misunderstanding these 2 points of doctrine and has there been a

reconsideration in the churche's position or doctrine over the years?"  

Answer by Nabors CharlotteWhat is the LORD’s Day as mentioned in Revelation 1:10?  Although this has been applied by the Church Fathers to represent Sunday from the latter part of the 2nd century , there is no conclusive evidence that this meaning applies to what John was writing around 90-94 a.d. John is writing about a past/present experience by using the verb, “was”.  “I was in the Spirit on the LORD’s Day.  It is a present tense usage.  It is only used in this context one time in the New Testament.  However, there are other references that indicate John was speaking about receiving these visions on the Sabbath, the 7th day of the week.  Beginning with Geneses 2:3 “Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.”  God is here declaring a special day that is not a part of the work of creating but of a crowning act,  of a special day that distinguishes it from the other six days.  God blessed the seventh day, He sanctified it, and made it holy as a memorial of His creative work and ownership.  

In Exodus 20:11 He plainly outlines Genesis 2:3 by reinforcing “REMEMBER to keep it holy, don’t work on the seventh day but rest on this day.  He declared this to be the Sabbath of the LORD your God.  In Revelation 14:6 the first angel makes reference to this particular commandment.

Isaiah 58:13 God states plainly that the Sabbath is MY holy day and we are to call the holy day of the LORD honorable

Mark 2:28  Jesus declares Himself to be the LORD of the Sabbath.  In the same sense that He is LORD of men, He was also LORD over that which was made for man, the Sabbath. Thus, when the phrase “LORD’s Day” is interpreted in accordance with evidence prior to and contemporary with John’s time, it appears that there is only one day to which it can refer, and that is the seventh-day Sabbath   SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 7, p. 736

When was Christ crucified?  The following are the texts that describe which day Christ was nailed to the cross and died.

Mat 27:62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate 4091, Mar 15:42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the Sabbath 4315, Luk 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on..Jhn 19:14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King 935! Jhn 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought 2065 Pilate that their legs might be broken, and [that] they might be taken away. Jhn 19:42 There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews preparation [day]; for 3754 the

sepulchre was nigh at hand.Mark, Luke and John wouldn’t be lying to us.  You will notice that in John 19:31, the “high-day” was on the seventh day Sabbath – not on a Wednesday.  

God instructed us about Sabbath time being from sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday.  In Genesis 1, we find the created time from evening to evening.  Man designed midnight to midnight but the scriptures are very clear about a 24 hour period from evening to evening.  Lev 23:32 tells us “from even to even shall ye celebrate your Sabbaths.  That is why it was so important that the men on the cross have their legs broken so as to hurry their death.  With the legs broken, they body would sag and they would suffocate due to compression of the lungs.  Jesus had already surrendered His life and so His legs were not broken, which was a fulfilment of an ancient prophecy that none of His bones would be broken.  

Resurrection:  Matt 28:1 Now after the Sabbath as the first day of the week began to dawn…Mark 16:1,2 Now when the Sabbath was past,…(2)Very early in the morning on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen…Luke24:1 Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning…But they found the stone rolled away from the tomb…and did not find the body of the LORD Jesus…John 20:1 Now on the first day of the week…while it was still dark and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb (the tomb was empty).

The whole ordeal began on Thursday night after the last supper with His disciples.and ended with the resurrection on Sunday morning before dawn.  The betrayal and arrest in Gethsemane was on Thursday night and trials between the religious leadership and Roman governor continued all during that time so that by 9am Friday morning, Jesus was being nailed to the cross and about 3 p.m. he died.  Was taken down from the cross before sundown on Friday and in the grave but no time to embalm Him because the sun was about to set.  Jesus was in the grave from sundown Friday to early Sunday morning when He arose to continue working for our salvation.  He was in the “valley of the shadow of death for three nights and three days.  Jesus had no sleep, no rest from Thursday night until He surrendered His life on Friday just before sundown.  He was in the clutches of Satan for three days and three nights just as Jonah was in the belly of the whale for three days and three nights. Christ was captured on Thursday night and was released on Sunday morning.  There isn’t any reference in prophecy indicating that Christ was physically dead and in a tomb for three days and three nights. That’s an assumption but is not biblically correct.   I hope this explanation helps clarify this for you.  Again, check with the other websites that I gave you at the beginning to see if what I have said is correct.  

E. G. White comments:  Our church’s doctrines are not based on nor did they come from the writings of Sr. White but on biblical truth.  She was very clear that her writings were not to take the place of scripture nor were they to be held equal to the scriptures.  She always referred to her ministry as a “lesser light” pointing to the greater Light of the World.  She also was very clear that her writings were never to be made a test of fellowship nor were we to prove our doctrines by using her writings.  She always said to compare scripture with scripture, line upon line, here a little and there a little, precept upon precept.  Isaiah.28:10,13; 29:13  Test each idea or thought with the scriptures and let the scriptures speak and explain itself.   We must be able to stand on the Word of God to defend our faith.  We were to defend our doctrines with scriptures only.  Those who try to use her writings to defend our doctrines are misusing and abusing her work causing much confusion for those who are searching for and have a love of the truth.  She also said that those who are spiritually weak will misuse her words to support their pet causes.  There were several Advent leaders that were given visions and understanding of the teachings of our church regarding the judgment message, the importance of the sanctuary system to the plan of salvation. http://en.allexperts.com/q/Seventh-Day-Adventists-2318/Sun-Sat-resurrection-Lord-4.htm#b

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Jesus’ Sabbath’s Resurrection and Seventh-day Adventism

Nabors Charlotteanswered by Gerhard Ebersöhn

Question"Most other Sabbath keepers or Sabbatarians such as Church of God Seventh Dayand Seventh Day Baptist teach a Wednesday (high Sabbath) crucifixion and Sabbathevening resurrection (literal 3 days and 3 nights in grave). Is your belief in aFriday crucifixion and Sunday resurrection unchanged because SDAs  believe itconflicts with the writings of Ellen G. White? I've also noticed that many, notall, Sunday keeping denominations believe the "Lord's Day" in Revelation 1:10 tobe Sunday and SDAs believe it is Saturday. But again, most other Sabbatariansbelieve the term "Lord's Day" in Revelation 1:10 is referring to the Great Dayof the LORD or The Day of the LORD referenced throughout the Bible's old and newtestaments and especially the book of Joel, which is actually an event of God'swrath in the last days and not pertaining to any day of the week. Could SDAspossibly be misunderstanding these 2 points of doctrine and has there been areconsideration in the church's position or doctrine over the years?"  

Charlotte Nabors: “What is the LORD’s Day as mentioned in Revelation 1:10? Although this has been applied by the Church Fathers to represent Sunday from the latter part of the 2nd century , there is no conclusive evidence that this meaning applies to what John was writing around 90-94 a.d.  John is writing about a past/present experience by using the verb, “was”.  “I was in the Spirit on the LORD’s Day.  It is a present tense usage.  It is only used in this context one time in the New Testament.  However, there are other references that indicate John was speaking about receiving these visions on the Sabbath, the 7th day of the week.  Beginning with Geneses 2:3 “Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.”  God is here declaring a special day that is not a part of the work of creating but of a crowning act,  of a special day that distinguishes it from the other six days.  God blessed the seventh day, He sanctified it, and made it holy as a memorial of His creative work and ownership.”

GE: Re: “God is here declaring a special day that is not a part of the work of creating but of a crowning act,  of a special day that distinguishes it from the other six days.  God blessed the seventh day, He sanctified it, and made it holy as a memorial of His creative work and ownership.”

I have never read that God blessed “the Sabbath, the 7th day of the week”, that He sanctified it, and made it holy, “as a memorial of His creative work and ownership”. On the contrary, as CN has said, “God is here declaring a special day that is not a part of the work of creating but of a crowning act”, Therefore it is not “a special day that distinguishes it[self] from the other six days”, nor, is it “the

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work of creating”, “that distinguishes it [this “special day”] from the other six days”; it is God’s “crowning act”, “that is not a part of the work of creating”, “that distinguishes it [this “special day”] from the other six days”.

It is a pity CN lost the reality she momentarily have hit upon, but let go of because of her SDA-doctrinal predisposition the Sabbath is “a memorial of (God’s) creative work and ownership” and not of God’s “crowning act”, “that is not a part of the work of creating”.

The true question is: Of which, and of what “crowning act” of God, is the Sabbath Day – the Seventh Day – “a memorial of”? Is it a “memorial” of the “creative work” of God, or of God’s “crowning act” of “ownership”?

This question should be taken further to the question of what, God’s “crowning act” of “ownership” actually and in the last analysis, is? Is it God’s “work of creating”? Obviously, no. Is God’s “crowning act” of “ownership” the Sabbath as such? No! Or does Charlotte Nabors think it is?

Then what is, God’s “crowning act” of “ownership”? It is written – very simply – this, “And on the Seventh Day God ended his work which He had made; and He rested on the Seventh day from all his work which He had made; and God blessed the Seventh Day and sanctified it: BECAUSE THAT IN IT HE HAD RESTED FROM ALL HIS WORKS which He had made.” It is not what Charlotte Nabors has stated as were it written, “God blessed the seventh day, He sanctified it, and made it holy as a memorial of His creative work and ownership.” Not at all. It was not because of “His creative work”, but “Because that in it (God) had RESTED”.

Then, this question should again be taken further, and it should be asked, what is God’s Rest, or wherein does God – or had He – rested? And again it is obvious, God did not rest in or by “His creative work”, but in and by having “ended”, and in and by having “rested” and in and by having “blessed and sanctified the Seventh Day”.

Should this question stop here? Or should it be taken even further, so that it must be asked, Did God rest in the Seventh Day; or, was, the Seventh Day God’s Rest? Obviously no, once again! No, God rested not in “His creative work” or in His “work of creating” – of which the Seventh Day was part. God rested not in “His creative work” or in His “work of creating” not only because it is a contradiction in terms, but absolutely because God found his Rest in, and founded his Rest upon, Jesus Christ and the finishing of all his works in and through Jesus Christ.

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Still the question has not reached fullness, not until it is answered through “the exceeding greatness of God’s power to us-ward who believe according to the working of his mighty power which He wrought in Christ WHEN HE RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD.” Only now can it truly be said, “And God from all his works, rested”, Hb4:3-4.

Of course Seventh-day Adventism will for ever stubbornly refuse this end and purpose according to God’s Eternal Covenantal Council for having “made the Sabbath”.

CN: “In Exodus 20:11 He plainly outlines Genesis 2:3 by reinforcing “REMEMBER to keep it holy, don’t work on the seventh day but rest on this day.  He declared this to be the Sabbath of the LORD your God.”

GE: Yes, “In Exodus 20.... He plainly outlines Genesis 2....” First, Is it therefore deliberately that Charlotte Nabors refrains from mentioning also Deuteronomy 5? What happened to “Genesis 2:3” and ‘outlines’, in Deuteronomy 5? Plainly FORGOTTEN? Or Divinely intended to be left behind forever? Next, Why does Seventh-day Adventism carefully omit to point to the fact the ‘creation-motive’ is omitted in the finally archaized Commandments? Because they hate the idea of the creation-motive having been replaced by the SALVATION-MOTIVE, and the SALVATION-MOTIVE in the Fourth Commandment having so been preserved for posterity and not the ‘creation-motive’!

CN: “In Revelation 14:6 the first angel makes reference to this particular commandment.”

GE: Maybe so. Maybe not. But what is far more important in Revelation 14, is the redemption-thread running throughout; redemption through the Lamb so prominently featuring in that chapter. I have never seen a Seventh-day Adventist lifting out that aspect. Why, is evident, because they cannot stomach the thought the Resurrection and finished atonement and Sabbath’s-fullness married by Jesus Christ.

CN: “Isaiah 58:13 God states plainly that the Sabbath is MY holy day and we are to call the holy day of the LORD honorable”

GE:

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“.... the holy day of the LORD HONOURABLE ....”

No Seventh-day Adventist yet has seen Christ in Isaiah 58. They have yet to see the Holy Day of the Lord in it, Holy Day of and for its Lord and his Lordship – Lord the Restorer of paths to dwell in and Lord the Repairer of the breach caused by sin. Lord, through resurrection from the dead, all through the chapter. See it any place, “Then shall thy light break forth .... Thy light shall rise .... Thou shalt be like a spring of water .... Thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations ....” anywhere, in every word and phrase. Chapter 58 sings the praises of the Most Holy Place verily as sings the 57th chapter the praises of the Lord Jesus Christ! Chapter 58 as much as chapter 53, speaks of Jesus Christ, and speaking of Jesus Christ, it speaks of the Sabbath’s Holy Day of the Lord Triumphator through resurrection from the dead.

Yes indeed, the Seventh-day Adventists like Charlotte Nabors argue for “The Lord’s Day” being the Sabbath but they don’t know what they say or why. Revelation 14 .... Isaiah 58 .... Mark 2:28 .... all the same.

CN: “Mark 2:28  Jesus declares Himself to be the LORD of the Sabbath. In the same sense that He is LORD of men, He was also LORD over that which was made for man, the Sabbath.  Thus, when the phrase “LORD’s Day” is interpreted in accordance with evidence prior to and contemporary with John’s time, it appears that there is only one day to which it can refer, and that is the seventh-day Sabbath   SDA Bible Commentary, Vol. 7, p. 736”

GE: What I have said is confirmed. They don’t know what they say or why. Jesus declared Himself LORD of the Sabbath, that is, Victor upon the Sabbath Day’s victory.  Having conquered “the last enemy (which) is death”, Christ is “perfected” and “declared” with Name and Title above all names and titles, “Lord” and “Son of Man”, “Lord of the Sabbath Day”. Having overcome and put everything under his feet, He is Lord Victor on, the Sabbath Day.

The Sabbath having been “made”, means, having been elevated, having been “made for” and having been “set apart / appointed”, “sanctified / hallowed”, “FOR” Purpose and End: being “made for” this “Man” “Son of Man”, first and before ‘for’ any other ‘man’ or ‘mankind’. That is what it says that “the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath .... the Sabbath (having been) made for Man”. It shows towards both the “honourable Sabbath” and the Honourable Lord of the Sabbath – ever first to the latter.

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This Sabbath Day chosen, “appointed” and “hallowed” at the Lord’s disposal and service, is chosen, appointed and hallowed at disposal and service of the Lord’s Hosts, “The People of God”. It “was made”, for “all Israel” in the day and height of God’s effort, so often discovered throughout the Scriptures. These Scriptures call the Sabbath Day “My Holy”: because “Holy” in the Day of the Lord’s Triumph in Battle!

Both the Lord of the Sabbath, and the Lord’s Day, are venerated for Christ’s Lordly qualification and efficaciousness, for Christ’s cause, and virtue and achievement, for His Excellency; because God through Christ, “wrought”; for Christ’s Lordly qualification and efficaciousness. Because Christ these things all attained by God who “worked” the creating and establishing “exceeding greatness of His Power to us-ward who believe”. “To us-ward”, “for us”, “for The People of God”, TO BRING TO REST: “Jesus .... who (Himself) having entered into His Own Rest as God in His Own .... gave them rest .... therefore keeping of the Sabbath Day stays valid for the People of God”.

Thus, when the phrase “Lord’s Day” is interpreted in accordance with evidence prior to and contemporary with John’s time, it appears that there is only one day to which it can refer, and that is the Seventh Day-Sabbath of the Lord’s vanquishing sin, death and grave for the “Body of Christ’s Own” to henceforth and forever “feast Sabbaths’ Feast .... eating and drinking” of Christ, and for peace and “the Prince of Peace”, “the King”, to enter into his Rest and Glory and “reign forever”.

Is it possible we could be speaking of the same ‘Sabbath’? Although of the same ‘day’, I doubt if we are.

CN: “When was Christ crucified?  The following are the texts that describe which day Christ was nailed to the cross and died.Mat 27:62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate”

GE: It is at such moments that I feel I could blow my top! This remotely was NOT “which day Christ was nailed to the cross and died”! Are you blind?

CN: “Mar 15:42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the Sabbath”

GE:

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PLEASE! READ ME WHERE YOU READ A WORD AFTER “now when the even was come ....” OF OR ABOUT “which day”, OR OF OR ABOUT WHEN “Christ was nailed to the cross and died”! Are you blind? Where do you read of the crucifixion between when Joseph appeared on the scene and left from the scene? Then neither have you read of the crucifixion between after sunset and afternoon of the Sixth Day of the week (or “The Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath” (‘Friday’))!

CN: “Luk 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on..”

GE: The same! One word ... JUST ONE WORD! Are you blind?

CN: “Jhn 19:14 And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King”

GE: Yes! Now you are referring to a text of Scripture that tells of WHEN Jesus was “delivered to be crucified”; in other words, that reads of and about “which day Christ was nailed to the cross and died”! But with the same closed eyes to WHERE THIS day had begun in Mk14:12/17, Mt26:17/20, Lk22:7/14, Jn13:1,19,29-30 and WHERE THIS day had ended in Mk15:37-41, Mt50-56, Lk45-49, Jn19:30, BEFORE “Mar 15:42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the Sabbath”.

CN: “Jhn 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and [that] they might be taken away.”

GE: Blindness! Can’t you SEE? Can’t you see you quote out of context and therefore out of sequence and chronological, historical ORDER! John follows the exact historical, actual, order of events and circumstances than Mark, Matthew and Luke – without one hair’s width of deviation or difference. You pull these verses like lucky-draw tickets from a hat. You are handling God’s Word disrespectfully. Typical!

CN: “Jhn 19:42 There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews preparation [day]; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.”

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GE: “There because the tomb was ready, laid they Jesus therefore because of / BY THE TIME of the Jews’ preparation(s for the Sabbath).”

This Scripture is John’s parallel to Luke’s indicated ending in 23:54-56 of the day of Joseph’s undertaking to obtain, treat, and eventually bury the body of Jesus “according to the custom / law of the Jews to bury”, which was “according to the Scriptures” of the passover’s institution in this instance because it was the interment of not anyone or of any sacrifice, but of “that which remained” of “our Passover” and “Lamb of God”.

“John 19:42” therefore is John’s following up on his own verses 31/38, which are his parallel to Mark’s (and Matthew’s) indicated beginning in 15:42/27:57 of the day of Joseph’s undertaking to obtain, treat, and eventually bury the body of Jesus “according to the custom / law of the Jews to bury”, which was “according to the Scriptures” of the passover’s institution in this instance because it was the interment of not anyone or of any sacrifice, but of “that which remained” of “our Passover” and “Lamb of God”.

Seventh-day Adventists REFUSE to acknowledge this Divine Predestination in the life, and death, and burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ— in these FOUR things consequently, consistently and consecutively FORE-ORDAINED AND EXECUTED “ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES”. In a word, in these FOUR things “perfected” in and through Jesus Christ in his Divine life and Divine suffering and Divine dying and Divine death and Divine burial and Divine resurrection from the dead and death of sin and hell “in and by the Divine Glory and Presence of the Father”.

CN: “Mark, Luke and John wouldn’t be lying to us.”

GE: No, but the indiscriminate mongrelising of the Scriptures would be lying to us. For indeed the Seventh-day Adventists have made one of their sterling dogma’s the drunkard’s “here a little, there a little” pot-pourri Scripture-scramble.

CN: “You will notice that in John 19:31, the “high-day” was on the seventh day Sabbath – not on a Wednesday.”

GE:

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You will notice that in John 19:31, the “high-day” was neither the Seventh Day Sabbath nor a Wednesday.  You will notice that John 19:31/38 unambiguously reads: “Therefore – since it was The Preparation (beginning) – the Jews, so that the bodies may not (on that prospective day having just begun) REMAIN BECAUSE THAT DAY WAS a great-day-sabbath-day, asked Pilate .... Then AFTER THESE THINGS (of the Jews) Joseph asked ....”.

John 19:31 unambiguously reads: “.... it was The Preparation .... BECAUSE THAT DAY WAS a great-day-sabbath-day ....”. Which day was “that day”? It was the very day Mark recounted, on which, and, WHEN BEGINNING, “Joseph .... went in to Pilate ....”, “that day”, WHEN “indeed already having been evening since it was The Preparation WHICH IS THE FORE-SABBATH”. (15:42)

Which day was “that day” and “a great-day-sabbath”? It was FRIDAY! Not “a Wednesday”; not “the seventh day Sabbath”.

CN: “God instructed us about Sabbath time being from sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday.  In Genesis 1, we find the created time from evening to evening.  Man designed midnight to midnight but the scriptures are very clear about a 24 hour period from evening to evening.  Lev 23:32 tells us “from even to even shall ye celebrate your Sabbaths.  That is why it was so important that the men on the cross have their legs broken so as to hurry their death.”

GE: Charlotte Nabors fabricates her own reason “why it was so important that the men on the cross have their legs broken so as to hurry their death” ignoring the reason John gave. CN says the reason was “God instructed us about Sabbath time being from sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday....” etc. In other words, she says “it was so important that the men on the cross have their legs broken so as to hurry their death” because sunset and the Sabbath then, when the Jews requested, was very close. Meantime John and Mark and Matthew and Luke by implication, clearly say, that Friday had scarcely begun! Meantime John and Mark and Matthew and Luke by implication, clearly say, that “evening” had scarcely begun, the “evening” AFTER SUNSET that as it were set that Sixth Day of the week off its marks! John and Mark and Matthew and Luke all give clear reason why, the Jews asked and Pilate gave order that “the men on the cross have their legs broken so as to hurry their death”, and why Joseph asked so as to bury the body! The obvious, unmistakable, indisputable: reason “why”! While John supplies ‘so important’ additional detail “why” the Jews asked and Pilate ordered “that the men on the cross have their legs

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broken so as to hurry their death”, namely, “BECAUSE that day was / would be a great-day-sabbath-day”, and “were the bodies on the crosses (to) remain”, it for them would be worst embarrassment!

Why give your own explanation instead, CN? (I think the scholars would have called yours, ‘eisegesis’, CN, had your expression not been theirs as well.

CN: “Jesus had already surrendered His life and so His legs were not broken, which was a fulfillment of an ancient prophecy that none of His bones would be broken.”

GE: Do you recall that “ancient prophecy that none of His bones would be broken”? It was an instruction for THAT NIGHT in which the passover sacrifice was EATEN and its remains the next day AFTER its slaughter was burned to return it to the earth; a Prophetic Law that spoke of Christ and how his body would be interred on the day (of Abib 15) after his death (on Abib 14).

Even John’s quote from Zechariah comes from a prophecy from THIS NIGHT that Yahweh passed through Egypt and a great cry went up for the first born; but Yahweh passed over when looking up He saw the lamb’s blood on the door-posts.

But the Seventh-day Adventists just like the rest of the erring Church goes along in blatant disregard for the Scriptures, declaring contrary all reason and fact of Scripture, that Joseph buried Jesus on the day that He was killed. Because they are ashamed to be shamed for Christ’s sake.

I have experienced my allegation, over and over again; I am not accusing falsely.

CN: “Resurrection:  Matt 28:1 Now after the Sabbath as the first day of the week began to dawn…Mark 16:1,2 Now when the Sabbath was past,…(2)Very early in the morning on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen…Luke24:1 Now on the first day of the week, very early in the morning…But they found the stone rolled away from the tomb…and did not find the body of the LORD Jesus…John 20:1 Now on the first day of the week…while it was still dark and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb (the tomb was empty).”

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GE: First:Only Mt28:1 of all the above Scripture-references speaks about when the Resurrection occurred; none of the others. None of the others even speak of or imply the Resurrection in any way! Therefore, zero out of ten for the above!

Next: “Matt 28:1 Now after the Sabbath as the first day of the week began to dawn…” FALSE! Blasphemously, God-defying, FALSE!

Mt28:1, “Now late on the Sabbath mid-afternoon as the First Day of the week began to approach ....” Compare the KJV and just about EVERY English Translation before the twentieth century; then compare them with just about every ‘translation’ of and since the twentieth century. ONE CAMP MUST BE DECEIVING LIARS.

Which side do you, side with, dear Observer?

Therefore, zero out of ten for your above reference to Mt28:1, Charlotte! You should get thrice double digit minus marks.

CN: “The whole ordeal began on Thursday night after the last supper with His disciples, and ended with the resurrection on Sunday morning before dawn.”

GE: Impossible. You have been asked about “3 days and 3 nights”; how do you account for one night, and one day of these “3 days and 3 nights”? How do you account for the eschatological WHOLE of the “three days and three nights” “three days”, “the third day” of which, Christ rose from the dead? Impossible; you can’t!

How do you account for the clear, stated, defined beginnings in the Gospels of and for all three THESE nights and all three THESE days and all three these week-days and all three these calendar-days? Impossible, you, can, not!

How do you account for the middles of each of these days accounted in the Gospels? You, with your Friday-Crucifixion / Sunday-Resurrection groundless nonsense, cannot!

How do you account for the endings of these Prophetic days accounted in the Gospels?

How do you account for the proceedings virtually hour by hour of these Prophetic days accounted in the Gospels?

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How? JUST IGNORE IT! That’s ‘how’.

Just ignore “according to the Scriptures”; Just ignore, “So that shall be fulfilled the prophet ....”; Just ignore “I come to do Thy Will, o LORD”; Just ignore: “They witness of ME”. Just ignore, ignore, ignore. “It is written” is written in vain; the Spirit of Prophecy says .... the servant of the Lord saw .... Now a days, “The great prophet wrote ....”. Ag, you Seventh-day Adventists!

CN: “The betrayal and arrest in Gethsemane was on Thursday night and trials between the religious leadership and Roman governor continued all during that time so that by 9am Friday morning, Jesus was being nailed to the cross and about 3 p.m. he died.”

GE: The betrayal is going on still this very hour. Because if “The betrayal and arrest in Gethsemane was on Thursday night and trials between the religious leadership and Roman governor continued all during that time so that by 9am Friday morning, Jesus was being nailed to the cross and about 3 p.m. he died”, then (as Luke says) Joseph only would “suddenly have turned up” after sunset ‘while evening already’ on Friday night, and would have rolled the stone door into the grave’s opening on Saturday ‘mid-afternoon as’ Sunday ‘was drawing on’, and Jesus would have risen on Monday ‘mid-afternoon as’ Tuesday ‘was drawing on’. The betrayal is going on still this very hour if “The betrayal and arrest in Gethsemane was on Thursday night and trials between the religious leadership and Roman governor continued all during that time so that by 9am Friday morning, Jesus was being nailed to the cross and about 3 p.m. he died”, because then every aspect of language and every truth of prophecy and every declaration of Scripture must be made null and void to accommodate such satanic delusion.

NO! The betrayal and arrest in Gethsemane was on the Fifth Day in its evening beginning (Wednesday night) Mk14:12/17, Mt26:17/20, Lk22:7/14, Jn13:1,19,29-30, 1Cor11:23; and the trials between the religious leadership and Roman governor continued all during that time so that by 9am THURSDAY morning, Jesus was being nailed to the cross and about 3 p.m. He died.  

CN: “(He) was taken down from the cross before sundown....”

GE: He was not; He was taken down from the cross long after sunset, in fact, after Joseph and the Jews had had eaten their passover supper (Jn18:28 x 19:31) and “after these things” of the Jews’ asking Pilate before Joseph – which things all happened after sunset “when

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already it had been evening” and “in the night” – exactly as “in the night” with the first passover in Egypt. All things already said but not heeded by anyone ever.

CN: “(He) was taken down from the cross before sundown on Friday and in the grave but no time to embalm Him because the sun was about to set” .... says who? Non sense and untrue. It is plainly written: “Joseph .... took the body of Jesus .... down and wrapped it in linen (in the night as John and Mark wrote) and ....” next day still the same day “.... laid it in a sepulchre .... and / while that day was The Preparation (Friday, ENDING) MID-AFTERNOON AS THE SABBATH DREW ON. Following after in procession, the women who came from Galilee with Him (Mary Magdalene and the other Mary and Salome), had seen how his body was laid. RETURNING / HAVING GONE HOME, they prepared spices and ointments. AND THEN INDEED they BEGAN to rest the Sabbath (which is) according to the (Fourth) Commandment.”

John perfectly agrees: “There because the tomb was ready, laid they Jesus therefore because of / BY THE TIME of the Jews’ preparation(s for the Sabbath)” with three full hours left before the sun was to set.

So, He died “the ninth hour” (time-equivalent of “mid-afternoon towards” and before sundown) and “everybody madly rushed home” and left Him “forsaken by all” and the crosses forlorn! Lk23:48.

“Then suddenly” and after sundown “when already it had become evening (of) The Preparation (Friday–Thursday evening), “Joseph came”, and he first but “after” the Jews “went in to Pilate” to ask permission to take the body down from the cross, and what followed after through all that night and next morning UNTIL on the Sixth Day (Friday) and the “Sabbath nearing mid-afternoon” (“the ninth hour” or 3 p.m.) Joseph had laid the body in the tomb and had closed its door with three full hours left before the sun was to set ..... “To embalm Him” (as CN said), “.... when they would go”, as Mark 16:1 says, after, “when the Sabbath (next day) was over”, and after, “Mary Magdalene and Mary of James and Salome had bought spices”, meaning, ‘to embalm Him’ on Sunday morning first thing after midnight (by the Romans’ time-reckoning of the day).

Those are the bare facts the ‘expert’ has no inkling of.

CN: “Jesus was in the grave from sundown Friday to early Sunday morning when He arose....”

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GE: As everybody has seen saying which, is not true.

CN: “Jesus was in the grave from sundown Friday to early Sunday morning when He arose to continue working for our salvation.”

GE: For anyone who may not know, the Seventh-day Adventist meaning of saying, “when He arose to continue working for our salvation” actually is saying He arose to make atonement of sins which He before or through or on strength of either his suffering or death or resurrection, had not done yet.

CN: “He was in the “valley of the shadow of death for three nights and three days.”

GE: For the first time CN is talking sense; now she should just reconcile it with the rest of what shy has said.

CN: “He was in the “valley of the shadow of death for three nights and three days.  Jesus had no sleep, no rest from Thursday night until He surrendered His life on Friday just before sundown.  He was in the clutches of Satan for three days and three nights just as Jonah was in the belly of the whale for three days and three nights. Christ was captured on Thursday night and was released on Sunday morning.”

GE: I am just wondering how such truth and such untruth can proceed from the same person’s mouth .... and heart, obviously?

If He was in the “valley of the shadow of death for three nights and three days” .... absolutely true .... and had no sleep, no rest from Thursday night until He surrendered His life on Friday just before sundown, HOW COULD HE HAVE BEEN “in the clutches of Satan for three days and three nights just as Jonah was in the belly of the whale for three days and three nights” WHICH IS ALSO ABSOLUTELY TRUE!? Because it is true, if “Christ was captured on Thursday night and was released on Sunday morning”, Thursday night and Friday day would add up to one day of one night and one day; and Friday night and Saturday day would add up to another night and another day, adding up to two days; and Saturday night and Sunday morning would add up another one day and one night, adding up to a third day, altogether adding up to three days as well as three days

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and three nights. Ja, perfect arithmetic; but perfect affectedness because the denial and corruption of the principle, “according to the Scriptures the third day” of the “three days and three nights”-“three days” prophetic passover-unit.

“The Word of God” literally is “divided” and dissected and dismembered and mongrelised scandalously and disrespectfully, purely because Mrs E.G. White is made the source of and appeal to all truth.

This scandalising of these Scriptures lies, First, in the fusion of the days of crucifixion and burial into one of both the Crucifixion and Burial, confusing Mk15:42 and Lk23:56b;

Two, in the corrupting of1) Mt28:1, “In the Sabbath towards the First Day”, into, “after the Sabbath as the first day of the week began to dawn…”; 2) “John 20:1 Now on the first day of the week…while it was still dark”; 3) “Jhn 19:31 .... for that sabbath day was an high day ....” 4) “Jhn 19:42 .... because of the Jews preparation [day] ....” 5) “Mark 16:1,2 Now when the Sabbath was past,…(2)Very early in the morning on the first day of the week, they came to the tomb when the sun had risen…” 6) Mark 16:9, the notoriously by Mrs E.G. White in quote avoided Scripture but always by Seventh-day Adventists presupposed with the usual pretence of a Sunday-resurrection.

In fact the scandalising of the Scriptures in this plea for a Sunday-resurrection lies in the corrupting somehow or other of every Scripture touched upon however directly, accidentally or side-ways.

The overall pattern of the modus operandi of the anti-Sabbath-Resurrectionists is always the same whether Sundaydarian or Sabbatharian. In order to move the Resurrection one day forward — from the Sabbath, onto Sunday — ....

Step one: Bring Thursday (Abib 14) one day forward by merging the first day, day of crucifixion (Thursday), and the second day, day of interment, into one day: day of crucifixion AND interment (‘Good Friday’), and let the day wholly devoted to the interment (Abib 15) vanish, simply.

Step two: Magically move the vacuum left by the disappearance of the day of the Burial (the second of the “three days”) one day forward to create the illusion or delusion of ‘Still Saturday’ (Abib 16).

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Step three: A: Corrupt time-indications in all incidences and in every implication of ....1) the Sabbath-Resurrection, 2) the Sunday night before-sunrise-visits at the empty tomb, and 3) the Sunday after-sunrise-appearances; B: Corrupt time-indications in all incidences and in every implication of ....1) the Preparation-great-day-sabbath Interment, 2) the Preparation of the Passover Crucifixion, 3) all “six days before Passover Feast”—

and find in these simple steps the lewd chemistry of Sunday worshipping and Sabbath desecrating — with at it Seventh-day Adventism as efficient as any Sunday worshipper might wish.

CN: “There isn’t any reference in prophecy indicating that Christ was physically dead and in a tomb for three days and three nights. That’s an assumption but is not biblically correct.”

GE: That is true. It’s old and well known knowledge it “is not biblically correct”. Still it doesn’t help a Friday-crucifixion or Sunday-resurrection to be ‘biblically correct’. Proving what is wrong is wrong isn’t proving what is also wrong is right. ‘Two wrongs don’t make one right.’

CN: “I hope this explanation helps clarify this for you.  Again, check with the other websites that I gave you at the beginning to see if what I have said is correct.”

GE: I would recommend you leave those websites and check with the Bible if what you have said is correct.

CN: “E. G. White comments:  Our church’s doctrines are not based on nor did they come from the writings of Sr. White but on biblical truth.”

GE: It’s entirely untrue, and this study is one proof it’s not true what CN claims. You SDAs cannot open your mouth on ANY doctrine of Christian confession, or you must distort the truth somehow or other.

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CN: “She was very clear that her writings were not to take the place of scripture nor were they to be held equal to the scriptures.  She always referred to her ministry as a “lesser light” pointing to the greater Light of the World.”

GE: For what would anyone in his senses light a lesser light to see the sun? But I admit, one could and should learn from every other, even while he erred.

CN: “She always said to compare scripture with scripture, line upon line, here a little and there a little, precept upon precept. Isaiah.28:10,13; 29:13”

GE: Yes, and isn’t this one beautiful example of how Mrs E.G. White and the Seventh-day Adventists do injustice to the Scriptures!

CN: “Test each idea or thought with the scriptures and let the scriptures speak and explain itself.   We must be able to stand on the Word of God to defend our faith.  We were to defend our doctrines with scriptures only.”

GE: As long as ‘we’ do not test each idea or thought against the larger idea or thought of God or Scripture ....

CN: “Those who try to use her writings to defend our doctrines are misusing and abusing her work causing much confusion for those who are searching for and have a love of the truth.”

GE: Exactly like CN is doing here .... You have a love for ‘Sr White’, clearly .... and misuse an abuse Scripture as shown here .... and you want to be believed you love the truth?

CN: “She also said that those who are spiritually weak will misuse her words to support their pet causes.”

GE: Like the point at issue in this debate is the ‘pet cause’ of our ‘expert’?

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CN: “There were several Advent leaders that were given visions and understanding of the teachings of our church regarding the judgment message, the importance of the sanctuary system to the plan of salvation.”

GE: Thanks for having summed it all up very neatly; don’t ever say I falsely accused you.

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