just received an email detailing john vargas
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Just received an email detailing John Vargas' firing from Doxa. Anybody
know the real story.. seems like he was messing with ETA or something.
WTF?
Johnny P... you must have more detail.
Personally, I liked John and he made me come back to Doxa after
swearing off the brand... In his email trail there are some implications
about the watches... I implore you WIS... anybody have more details??
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Posted: Tue Apr 3rd, 2007 02:47 am
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john posted on wus the story and the emails that were sent. he asked for a raise, and the crap hit the fan.its in the divers section
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Posted: Tue Apr 3rd, 2007 02:57 am
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Here's a link to the whole mess on the public
fora at WUS http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=57519
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Posted: Tue Apr 3rd, 2007 03:15 am
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3 bucks an hour??? You gotta be kidding me... :shock: They ain't selling Chinese quartz! Sounds like a college I used to work for, when I got my Masters' degree I asked for a raise, they showed me the door. I went to another college down the road and doubled my pay. Idiots...something like that is a PR disaster and the official reply shows just how clueless they really are. I'll stick with my "poor man's Doxa"... Cheers, Griff
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Posted: Tue Apr 3rd, 2007 03:21 am
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Let the truth be told:D:D Doxa method of operation doesn't shock me. I post it here
because it will disappear from WUS
#9 John ***** vbmenu_register("postmenu_325263", true);
Member
Join Date: May 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 300 Re: I was fired!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hey Guy's,
Thanks for all your support. I really appreciate it. I will always be around if you
need me. I will shoot it straight.
I will be fine, I do feel sorry for those who will no longer get the support they need.
Anyone wishing to vent about DOXA, can do it here. You free here from censorship.
For all of you wanting to purchase DOXA's be wary that they no longer will cover
tubes and crown's. They are not warrantied items. Also to quote Mr. Jenny..., or to
quote John P, about Mr. Jenny "he doesnt care about Americans or the American Market"...I have this in writing! Actually, I have a lot on writing.
It ws a constant battle for honor and being truthfull, many of you were BCC'd, and
know the truth.
Here is what led to my termination...Also, as I find interesting emails, I will post them.
Here is a sample of what truly
happened...should you want to know more, feel free to email, I am more than happy to tell you the truth. Luckily I saved all the emails. So, I will be posting them shortly. If you want to know the true reason that I was fired here it is...Many of you have been on the BCC list for quit some time, so I expect this does not come as a shock to you.
To those who I have served it has been a pleasure and an honor. I will continue to serve you in anyway I can. I am here if you need me.
Warmest Regards to all of you,
----- Original Message ----- From: Lord John *****
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 6:09 PM Subject: Re: Lusine
It is no threat Rick, I never make threats I do what I
say. Me lie, No sir, I have the documents in front of
me. Acquired through FedEx, and through the US
Government.
I explained my actions with ETA, I am legally allowed
to inquire for a freind. I did nothing wrong with ETA, I
carboned copied John P on all of them. I have the
application, that was sent in so I can post that as well.
What you do is unacceptable in life.
Now, who are people going to believe documents, or
you? Wait I have an Idea, how about I take photos of
them before I post such as this one...nah, I will post
them, and then you can deal with them!
No way out for you my friend. You web of lies will
unfold...
----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: Lord John *****
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: Lusine
Don't threaten me John. you are lying or someone told you lies through and through
The decision came due to your last action with ETA. This is absolutely unacceptable in the watch business.
Rick
----- Original Message ----- From: Lord John *****
Cc: [email protected] ; Dr. Peter McClean Millar
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: Lusine
Good deal!
Now, I can post everything...
I will still call it wont stop me, you now started a war you cannot win.
I have documents, papers, now, I can go forward with
the truth. Your 10 year contract. The 11 additional
dials you handed out for the limited edition 100 only
Divingstar. The fact that DOXA USA consist of only
three people. Everything truthful I have.
People are not going to be to happy. You reap what you sew my freind.
Now, I will sit back and dedicate a website so people
can see that dials cost $.10 cents. The whole watch is
less than $200.00. complete breakdowns of
everything. From DOXA paperwork not me.
Mr. Jenny, I mean no disrespect to you...however,
DOXA will not fare well in this country. Due to Rick's
actions. Now that I am free to speak freely, I am truly
sorry for you. For the one you hired to be your right
hand man, will be your company's downfall in the US.
I will also recalculate my last months earnings since I
was only allowed to charge for 10 hours per day, and I worked more.
John
john.*****@doxawatches.com
http://www.doxawatches.com
----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: John ***** At DOXA Watches
Cc:
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: Lusine
John, you are fired. This is disrespectful
Rick
----- Original Message ----- From: John ***** At DOXA Watches
Cc: John Pfeiffer Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: Lusine
Exactly what I said Rick...every I turn around, it
seems one of the Jenny's doesn't like the way I do
things. Yet, no one has called me, outside of John.
So, in the AM, I will call Mr. Romeo F. Jenny, and ask
him personally, as a matter of fact, I will call every
Jenny and ask them why it seems no matter what I
do, it never seems good enough.
I am tired of a constant battle of people I have never
talked too. So, I am going to seek a resolution.
John *****
Business Representative
DOXA Watches USA
----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: John ***** At DOXA Watches
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: Lusine
John, this is unbelievable !!. What do you mean by nobody has the guts to call you?
rick marei
----- Original Message ----- From: John ***** At DOXA Watches
To: [email protected] ; [email protected]
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: Lusine
Let me get this strait, they are upset becuase I
requested a raise? If they think I am going to
continue to work, and do what I do for $12.00 an
hour, they can look for another fool.
I don't need the money, but what is fair is fair. They
don't pay for a thing in this house. Nothing...not my
gas to go to the post office, not my electricity, not my cable, not my phone lines and fax line. Nothing.
The average income in this state for this position is
well over $100,000.00, and that is the lowest, the
median is $155,000,00 for all I do...with minimum education, I have a Post Doctorate Degree.
Tell them to rethink this, very carefully. I promise you that no one will do this job for $12.00 an hour.
I am genuinely enraged at the audacity, which they
have at this point. So, they want to screw me over
they have another thing coming.
I tried calling Switzerland since they don't have the
guts to call me, but I will get a hold of someone
tomorrow. No need to go through a middleman, you
can stay out of it; I am going to go direct, and discuss this like a man.
I have Peter, and Romeo numbers, home and cell.
I am tired if this constant, almost daily battle between
what you say the Jenny's say, and what I do. There has to be some resolve...
John *****
Business Representative
DOXA Watches USA
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john.*****@doxawatches.com
http://www.doxawatches.com
----- Original Message -----
From: [email protected]
To: John ***** at Doxa Watches
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 1:09 PM
Subject: Lusine
John, please do not involve Lusine in the DOXA stuff. Cause we do not want to have any disputes about this in the future. If your time does not let you take care of everyone, then customers should wait.
Yesterday I forwarded your salary email to Switzerland and they were upset about the presentation of the idea. If Lusine will start helping out then it means that she has to be paid separately and DOXA does not allow husband and wife to work in the same company.
I also do not want to hear that she was working for free and be involved in this discussion later on. I hope you understand that things are likely to turn like this at the end when there are any issues.
John
Hey John,
Here is my invoice for March of 2007. This year is up
at DOXA, and although I am not doing this for the
money, I am not being paid what I am worth. When I
started, my only function was that I was to do Online
Chat Live. Then phones.
Well as you know, I am acting more like an executive
director, of which I do not mind, I actually love the
job, and enjoy taking care of customers. However,
$12.00 an hour for what I do is truly underpaid, this is
the minimum starting wage for hired help, or manual
labor as stock people in this area. I know I am worth
more than a stock boy’s wage. I have advanced
degrees. Here is the median amount I would be paid
here in the US.
The median total compensation including benefits for
a typical Customer Service Director in Brandon,
FL 33511, is $155,833. This basic market pricing
report was prepared using our Certified Compensation
Professionals' analysis of survey data collected from
thousands of HR departments at employers of all
sizes, industries and geographies.
Total compensation
(base + bonuses + benefits) 12 3 Benefit Median Amount % of Total Base salary $106,473 68%
Bonuses $12,587 8% Social Security$7,306 5% 401k/403b$4,310 3% Disability$2,905 2%
Healthcare$5,390 3% Pension$3,858 2% Time
off$13,005 8% Total $155,833 100% Personal
Profile Salary Range
Customer Service
DirectorLocation: Brandon, FL 33511 Benefit Median Amount % of Total Base salary $106,473 68% Bonuses $12,587 8% Social Security$7,306 5% 401k/403b$4,310 3% Disability$2,905 2% Healthcare$5,390 3% Pension$3,858 2% Time
off$13,005 8% Total $155,833 100%
The median expected salary for a typical Customer
Service Director in Brandon, FL 33511, is
$106,473. This basic market pricing report was
prepared using our Certified Compensation
Professionals' analysis of survey data collected from
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Base pay only 1 23
$86,108$106,473$130,097HR
Reported data as of March 2007Customer Service Director25th Percentile Median 75th Percentile Brandon, FL 33511 $86,108 $106,473 $130,097
The median total cash compensation for a typical
Customer Service Director in Brandon, FL 33511,
is $119,060. This basic market pricing report was
prepared using our Certified Compensation
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thousands of HR departments at employers of all
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Total cash compensation
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$94,547$119,060$152,847HR Reported data as
of March 2007 Customer Service Director25th Percentile Median 75th Percentile Brandon, FL
33511 $94,547 $119,060 $152,847 IMPORTANT: Your pay
can be dramatically affected by compensable factors
such as employer size, industry, employee
credentials, years of experience and others.
I do not expect a mega pay raise, or anywhere near
this amount, not even half of the base pay...but I
would like to be paid a little bit more for all the effort
and hard work that I do put in. In addition, I would
rather have a stable salary, I am still willing to file it
monthly, but in all, honestly I do not really like being paid by the hour it makes no sense.
I would like a set stable salary monthly. One, which I
guarantee will be more than fair to DOXA, but also fair to me as well.
This is what I propose. Direct salary of $4,500 per
month. Or, $4,200.00 per month, if you break in up
into hours that is a $3.00 an hour pay raise ($15.00),
and in addition every time a new watch comes out a watch as a bonus.
Thanks,
John
John *****
Business Representative
DOXA Watches USA
john.*****@doxawatches.com
http://www.doxawatches.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 3rd, 2007 03:35 am
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I simply can't believe they would fire Lord
Vargas over a measly couple o' bucks...
I don't like the accusations floating though
and don't like what I am hearing. Of course
the thread is locked on the doxa forum.
If what John is claiming is even partially
true Doxa is F-ed up indeed!!
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Posted: Tue Apr 3rd, 2007 05:21 am
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I think the real question that is being tip-toed around... is just how much of the
Doxa watch is "chinese"? We know the movt' is eta (but then again an eta movt is
present in many "replicas"..) and the bracelet is Chinese according to Vargas.... Is
the case Chinese as well? We know the Lume is poor quality... so is the Doxa
watch really a Chinese Watch with Swiss movt assembled in Europe? Wonder if we
will ever know the real answer to that one..
Can't wait to watch the saga unfold... might even be able to pick up a "Doxa" on
the cheap soon.. selfishly that would be really cool...
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Posted: Tue Apr 3rd, 2007 05:36 am
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Good points and questions... and I agree - would love to pick one up cheap! ;)
Crue4 wrote: I think the real question that is being tip-toed around... is just how
much of the Doxa watch is "chinese"? We know the movt' is eta (but then again an eta movt is present in many "replicas"..) and the bracelet is Chinese according to
Vargas.... Is the case Chinese as well? We know the Lume is poor quality... so is
the Doxa watch really a Chinese Watch with Swiss movt assembled in Europe?
Wonder if we will ever know the real answer to that one..
Can't wait to watch the saga unfold... might even be able to pick up a "Doxa" on the cheap soon.. selfishly that would be really cool...
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Posted: Tue Apr 3rd, 2007 05:36 am
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Crue4 - I am with you on that idea.
I had so much high regard for Doxa before, but now I don't know what to think, except that the Doxa
pedestal has been lowered a bit for me. Anyone want to sell their Doxa say for $300.00?
Last edited on Tue Apr 3rd, 2007 05:37 am by ern1911
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Posted: Tue Apr 3rd, 2007 05:39 am
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Wait a minute, the Seikos I have wanted to buy cost no more than $250.00 new, make that my new offer.
ern1911 wrote: Crue4 - I am with you on that idea.
I had so much high regard for Doxa before, but now I don't know what to think, except that the Doxa
pedestal has been lowered a bit for me. Anyone want to sell their Doxa say for $300.00?
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Posted: Tue Apr 3rd, 2007 05:43 am
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Crue4 wrote:
This has pretty much been discussed here for months about Doxas claims and unfolded by JohnnyP and Eric our 3T advisors ...it's no mystery that most Swiss watch companies contain as much as 70% Asian made parts....51% of "cost" and final assembly/inspection is all it takes to be called Swiss Made...remember 51% of the "total cost"....not parts is all it takes to garner "Swiss Made" on the dial....only a handful of Watch manufacturers can claim 100% Swiss Made with all components being Swiss made...that's why Jean Marcel is such a great buy imhohand6.gif I doubt anyone will be unloading their Doxas over this...they are still an Awesome Timepiece and have held their price.....nice thought though Crue!woohoo.gif I think the real question that is being tip-toed
around... is just how much of the Doxa watch is "chinese"? We know the movt' is
eta (but then again an eta movt is present in many "replicas"..) and the bracelet is
Chinese according to Vargas.... Is the case Chinese as well? We know the Lume is
poor quality... so is the Doxa watch really a Chinese Watch with Swiss movt
assembled in Europe? Wonder if we will ever know the real answer to that one..
Can't wait to watch the saga unfold... might even be able to pick up a "Doxa" on
the cheap soon.. selfishly that would be really cool...
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Posted: Tue Apr 3rd, 2007 12:32 pm
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ern1911 wrote:
Wait a minute, the Seikos I have wanted to buy cost no more than $250.00
new, make that my new offer.
ern1911 wrote: Crue4 - I am with you on that idea.
I had so much high regard for Doxa before, but now I don't know what to think,
except that the Doxa pedestal has been lowered a bit for me. Anyone want to sell
their Doxa say for $300.00?
Wishful thinking on your part....
I am with Osacr on this.
My main concern is the future of the brand
in the U.S. market. This doesn't bode well
from a CS perspective... We all remember
Johnny's ordeal with the Mil Edition and
the BS he was fed. Stephen and Sandra
also had CS issues. I would have never
bought another Doxa except for the
relationship John built...