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01202013, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Brown Tutanka,Great vid. Are you using a high voltage plasma to ignite the air passing through your reactor.This is what Heinz seemed to be doing with his piston throwing experiment.This is a very thought provoking thread.70% nitrogen in the air we breath.Stephen
Hello Stephen, I don't use high voltage or plasma for ignite air.. The new theory of electrino about air as fuel and not just as oxidant is proved. The little video was shot in the dark because the flame is too transparent to be seen in the light. Thenitrogen react completely inside the reaction. The flame produced is hot (about 3000°F) and ionized and can be used directly with an MHD generator.
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01202013, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by tutanka Hello Stephen,
I don't use high voltage or plasma for ignite air.. The new theory of electrino about air as fuel and not just as oxidant is proved.
The flame produced is hot (about 3000°F) and ionized and can be used directly with an MHDgenerator.
This is real video and not just words!!!
TutankaCould you site a couple of links where I could read about electrino theory.
Also, what is an MHD Generator??
I don't have any problem purchasing information ($200 for your book) (air4gas.com) I do it every day in anumber of ways and I love to support good research.
Could you talk a bit more about how you will plan to apply this technology?
ThanksStephen__________________Potential, is a terrible thing to waste.
01202013, 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Brown TutankaCould you site a couple of links where I could read about electrino theory.
Also, what is an MHD Generator??
I don't have any problem purchasing information ($200 for your book) (air4gas.com) I do it everyday in a number of ways and I love to support good research.
Could you talk a bit more about how you will plan to apply this technology?
ThanksStephen
Electrino is an small positive particle present in magnetic field. The theory is made from russian scientistcalled D.H. BAZIEV.
About MHD generator here you can find more informations.. MagnetoHydroDynamic MHD ElectricityGeneration
On the book (printing stage) don't are present plans but just documented explainations of this technology.With just 200$ you can't have also plans but this book open the minds and anyone can build an own systemdifferent from others and reach to the end the same result.
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01212013, 11:32 AM
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Tutanka,You have mentioned that you need no input, So your pulse circuit is just for electron extraction, correct?
Regards!
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01212013, 11:41 AM
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MagnetoHydroDynamic MHD Electricity Generation
Thats a very interesting link. Could this be what stan meyer was employing in his EPG system??
01212013, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by pmazz850 MagnetoHydroDynamic MHD Electricity Generation
Thats a very interesting link. Could this be what stan meyer was employing in his EPG system??
tesla ozone generatorhttp://www.freeenergyinfo.co.uk/Ch11/Fig1.gif
Practical Guide to FreeEnergy Devices Chapter 11
01212013, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by wings tesla ozone generatorhttp://www.freeenergyinfo.co.uk/Ch11/Fig1.gif
Practical Guide to FreeEnergy Devices Chapter 11
Thanks for that!!
01212013, 04:18 PM
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just to give you a head start aspden's patent is not the same as tesla's patent, it's no joke when tutanka saysthat air is ignited (turned into a plasma) , from a quick look this page Practical Guide to FreeEnergy Devices Chapter 11 will only confuse you.__________________The pure in heart will see the light.
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01212013, 04:55 PM
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aspden's patent ?
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First time mentioned here. Provide some details.
01212013, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by pmazz850 Thanks for that!!
IMO this is only a part of the device
the other
Fuelless combustion of AIR !!!
01212013, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by EMCSQ aspden's patent ?First time mentioned here. Provide some details.
did you even read this page? Practical Guide to FreeEnergy Devices Chapter 11 positive charges helpindeed.. but you need balance thats why hho helps even more.__________________The pure in heart will see the light.
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Originally Posted by pmazz850 Tutanka,You have mentioned that you need no input, So your pulse circuit is just for electron extraction,correct?
Regards!
NO high voltage, Plasma discharge or EEC are used inside.
This is electrino reactor working.
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01212013, 06:41 PM
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Heinz Klostermann and Tamerlane Sanchez Video
I have watch now the Heinz Klostermann and Tamerlane Sanchez Video and they ask that:
"The voltage discharge transform plasma created from air into kinetic energy"
I don't agree with that definition..
The shock (high magnetic field) generated from capacitor discharge from the two electrodes inside cylindergenerate electrino reaction burning the air (*) inside.
When the air burn is transformed totally and oxygen and nitrogen are destroyed!!
They don't have checked the final reaction just push the piston.
The kinetic energy definited by Mr. Heinz Klostermann in fact is combustion energy released from air.
(*) = humidity of air
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01212013, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by tutanka I have watch now the Heinz Klostermann and Tamerlane Sanchez Video and they ask that:
"The voltage discharge transform plasma created from air into kinetic energy"
I don't agree with that definition..
The shock (high magnetic field) generated from capacitor discharge from the two electrodes insidecylinder generate electrino reaction burning the air (*) inside.
When the air burn is transformed totally and oxygen and nitrogen are destroyed!!
They don't have checked the final reaction just push the piston.
The kinetic energy definited by Mr. Heinz Klostermann in fact is combustion energy released fromair.
(*) = humidity of air
In his YouTube video, Heinz Klostermann does not mention water/humidity/mist as an essential ingredient inhis piston power demonstration. How do we know his device requires water?
01212013, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Terbo In his YouTube video, Heinz Klostermann does not mention water/humidity/mist as an essentialingredient in his piston power demonstration. How do we know his device requires water?
Inside the video also circuit don't produce just plasma. I see 4 electrical contact inside cylinder. In all caseair contain every little amount of water.. for me water is important into the process
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01212013, 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by tutanka NO high voltage, Plasma discharge or EEC are used inside.
This is electrino reactor working.
Tutanka,You wrote here:
There are two methods for reach the soft ionization , Meyer have used electromagnetic method (not HV) andphotons (for nitrogen ionization), my device use JUST natural and precious components and have an life of400 years.?In all case EEC (Electron Extraction Circuit) is needed for reach the soft ionization.
So is electron extracrion needed in your reactor? Or were you just talking about Meyers system
01212013, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by tutanka Inside the video also circuit don't produce just plasma. I see 4 electrical contact inside cylinder. In allcase air contain every little amount of water.. for me water is important into the process
this video?Pulser Plasma Engine Core: Recovering the Papp Engine YouTube
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01212013, 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by wings this video?Pulser Plasma Engine Core: Recovering the Papp Engine YouTube
Yes. That is the video I referenced in my comments about water? in the Klostermann experiment.
01212013, 10:24 PM
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this video?Pulser Plasma Engine Core: Recovering the Papp Engine YouTube
Yes .. the circuit present in this video
01212013, 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by tutanka Inside the video also circuit don't produce just plasma. I see 4 electrical contact inside cylinder. In allcase air contain every little amount of water.. for me water is important into the process
Looking at Klostermann's schematic, the 4 conductors comprise a simple triggered spark gap. The top andbottom electrodes create a highvoltage, lowcurrent spark that ionizes the gas between the left and rightelectrodes that conduct a highcurrent pulse from the 500volt capacitor once the ionization channel isestablished.
01222013, 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Terbo Looking at Klostermann's schematic, the 4 conductors comprise a simple triggered spark gap. Thetop and bottom electrodes create a highvoltage, lowcurrent spark that ionizes the gas between theleft and right electrodes that conduct a highcurrent pulse from the 500volt capacitor once theionization channel is established.
The main question is why they use dual energy source?
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01222013, 05:47 AM
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Plain air: Discharging a cap into ionized air: Why couldn't you use this concept to fashion a gun?
01222013, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Berg Plain air: Discharging a cap into ionized air: Why couldn't you use this concept to fashion a gun?
IMO Plasmahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_(physics)
.... The presence of a nonnegligible number of charge carriers makes the plasma electrically conductive sothat it responds strongly to electromagnetic fields.....
http://jlnlabs.online.fr/vsg/protelf_anm.gif
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01222013, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by pmazz850 Tutanka,You wrote here:
There are two methods for reach the soft ionization , Meyer have used electromagnetic method (notHV) and photons (for nitrogen ionization), my device use JUST natural and precious components andhave an life of 400 years.?In all case EEC (Electron Extraction Circuit) is needed for reach the softionization.
So is electron extracrion needed in your reactor? Or were you just talking about Meyers system
Is an completely different system.. nothing to do with the gas processor
01222013, 06:17 PM
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very hard to do proper ionization.. turning air into positive ions isnt the best thing to do ... but works likeklostermann showed..__________________The pure in heart will see the light.
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01222013, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by tachyon very hard to do proper ionization.. turning air into positive ions isnt the best thing to do ... but workslike klostermann showed..
Tutanka and/or Tachyon,Could you talk about the resulting compounds from this type of ionized combustion.I read Dr. Baziez paper but the chemistry was a bit over my head.What would the major byproducts / compounds be of ionized burning in this way.Oxygen, nitrogen and a bit of hho. I'm thinking there is no carbon in this process.Just thinking about long term, widespread adoption of this process.Always good to think ahead!Stephen__________________Potential, is a terrible thing to waste.
01222013, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by tachyon very hard to do proper ionization.. turning air into positive ions isnt the best thing to do ... but workslike klostermann showed..
There are some ways for reach the proper ionization not just high voltage
01222013, 07:32 PM
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the hard thing to do is control exactly the ionization state of each element.. 7 billion people on this planet noone has figured this out or am I just plain wrong?__________________The pure in heart will see the light.
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01222013, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Brown Tutanka and/or Tachyon,Could you talk about the resulting compounds from this type of ionized combustion.I read Dr. Baziez paper but the chemistry was a bit over my head.What would the major byproducts / compounds be of ionized burning in this way.Oxygen, nitrogen and a bit of hho. I'm thinking there is no carbon in this process.Just thinking about long term, widespread adoption of this process.Always good to think ahead!
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Stephen
Electrino mechanism is simple.. you need plasma and free electrons!!
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