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GDE Meeting, Beijing, 4-7 February 2007 GDE Meeting, Beijing, 4-7 February 2007 1 Design and Cost Estimates Design and Cost Estimates CFS Group – European Region CFS Group – European Region CFS Group CFS Group Report of the 3rd Meeting of the ILC-MAC Report of the 3rd Meeting of the ILC-MAC CFS Position on MAC Comments CFS Position on MAC Comments J-L Baldy J-L Baldy DRAFT DRAFT

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CFS Group Report of the 3rd Meeting of the ILC-MAC CFS Position on MAC Comments. J-L Baldy DRAFT. Page 3 The Project does not contain Preconstruction Costs (as Regards CFS Activities) : Not Obvious which costs excluded from Estimates. 1. Page 4 Costs Risk Analysis for CFS Activities. - PowerPoint PPT Presentation

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Page 1: CFS Group Report of the 3rd Meeting of the ILC-MAC CFS Position on MAC Comments

GDE Meeting, Beijing, 4-7 February 2007GDE Meeting, Beijing, 4-7 February 2007 1

Design and Cost EstimatesDesign and Cost EstimatesCFS Group – European RegionCFS Group – European Region

CFS GroupCFS Group

Report of the 3rd Meeting of the ILC-MACReport of the 3rd Meeting of the ILC-MAC

CFS Position on MAC CommentsCFS Position on MAC Comments

J-L BaldyJ-L Baldy

DRAFTDRAFT

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Design and Cost EstimatesDesign and Cost EstimatesCFS Group – European RegionCFS Group – European Region

Page 3Page 3 The Project does not contain Preconstruction Costs (as Regards CFS Activities) :The Project does not contain Preconstruction Costs (as Regards CFS Activities) :Not Obvious which costs excluded from EstimatesNot Obvious which costs excluded from Estimates

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Page 4Page 4 Costs Risk Analysis for CFS Activities Costs Risk Analysis for CFS Activities2

Page 5Page 5 Optimization of Overall Heat DissipationOptimization of Overall Heat DissipationConfirmation / Clarification on Air Conditioning System CostConfirmation / Clarification on Air Conditioning System Cost

3

Page 6/1Page 6/1 No Attempts Reported to InvestigateNo Attempts Reported to InvestigateILC Costs assuming a Shallow SiteILC Costs assuming a Shallow Site

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Page 6/2Page 6/2 Lists of Buildings : Two Lists needed, One for Needed Buildings on a Stand Alone Site, Lists of Buildings : Two Lists needed, One for Needed Buildings on a Stand Alone Site, One for Sites close to Existing HEP LaboratoriesOne for Sites close to Existing HEP Laboratories

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Page 6/3Page 6/3 Shaft Diameter depending on Details of the Cavity Module Cryostat DesignShaft Diameter depending on Details of the Cavity Module Cryostat DesignOverall Savings for reducing the 14 m Shafts to 9 m Diameter.Overall Savings for reducing the 14 m Shafts to 9 m Diameter.

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Page 7Page 7 Give the Cost and Benefits for an Insulated Water Return Pipe.Give the Cost and Benefits for an Insulated Water Return Pipe.Give Consequences for Rising the Delta For Water Temperature (of more than the present 10°C).Give Consequences for Rising the Delta For Water Temperature (of more than the present 10°C).

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Page 7Page 7 The Committee suggests reassessing the Specified Emergency Power Value The Committee suggests reassessing the Specified Emergency Power Value since it appears quite Low.since it appears quite Low.

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Page 8Page 8 Combination of Service Access Shaft and Neighboring Detector Installation ?Combination of Service Access Shaft and Neighboring Detector Installation ?Reasons for the Necessity of an Access Shaft over the Service Cavern for BDS Area.Reasons for the Necessity of an Access Shaft over the Service Cavern for BDS Area.

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Design and Cost EstimatesDesign and Cost EstimatesCFS Group – European RegionCFS Group – European Region

Page 3Page 3

The Project does not contain Preconstruction The Project does not contain Preconstruction Costs (as Regards CFS Activities) :Costs (as Regards CFS Activities) :

Not Obvious which costs excluded Not Obvious which costs excluded from Estimatesfrom Estimates

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Design and Cost EstimatesDesign and Cost EstimatesCFS Group – European RegionCFS Group – European Region

CFS Preconstruction CostsCFS Preconstruction Costs

Civil Engineering – Basis of Costing Exercise (4)Civil Engineering – Basis of Costing Exercise (4)Not Included in Cost Estimates :Not Included in Cost Estimates :

• All R&D (before TAll R&D (before T00) : Survey and Alignment for CFS ) : Survey and Alignment for CFS

only)only)• Geotechnical Investigations (before TGeotechnical Investigations (before T00) : 0.3% of ) : 0.3% of

Civil Engineering CostsCivil Engineering Costs• Purchase of Land (Surface, and Underground if Purchase of Land (Surface, and Underground if needed)needed)• Cost of Local Formalities (Impact Study, …)Cost of Local Formalities (Impact Study, …)• Consultants, Architects, Experts fees before TConsultants, Architects, Experts fees before T00 : all : all

design and Specifications up to Tender Stage, design and Specifications up to Tender Stage, 3.5% of Civil Engineering Cost3.5% of Civil Engineering Cost

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Design and Cost EstimatesDesign and Cost EstimatesCFS Group – European RegionCFS Group – European Region

-5 -4 -3 -1 +1 +2 +3 +4 +5 +6 +7

T0 = 20122007

-2

RDR/Reviews

Bid to Host Specs

Preparation of Bids to Host

Site Selection Process

EDR (All CFS)

Site Investigations

Call for Tender Preparation (CE Works + early Services)

Call for Tender Procedure (CE Works + early Services)

Contract(s) Placing(CE Works + early Services)

Administrative Procedures+ Site Preparation Utilities

CE + other CFS Works

Machine Supply, Install, Assembly

Commissioning

R&D

TENTATIVE OVERALL TIME SCHEDULE2018

Selection of Main Consultants

Site Independent Eng. Studies(All CFS)

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Design and Cost EstimatesDesign and Cost EstimatesCFS Group – European RegionCFS Group – European Region

Page 4Page 4

Costs Risk Analysis for CFS ActivitiesCosts Risk Analysis for CFS Activities

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Design and Cost EstimatesDesign and Cost EstimatesCFS Group – European RegionCFS Group – European Region

Page 5Page 5

Optimization of Overall Heat DissipationOptimization of Overall Heat DissipationConfirmation / Clarification on Air ConditioningConfirmation / Clarification on Air ConditioningSystem CostSystem Cost

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Design and Cost EstimatesDesign and Cost EstimatesCFS Group – European RegionCFS Group – European Region

Page 6/1Page 6/1

No Attempts Reported to InvestigateNo Attempts Reported to InvestigateILC Costs assuming a Shallow SiteILC Costs assuming a Shallow Site

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Design and Cost EstimatesDesign and Cost EstimatesCFS Group – European RegionCFS Group – European Region

European Sites “For Reference”European Sites “For Reference”• DESY SiteDESY Site

• Shallow Site (-10 m to -20 m) in Sedimentary Sand 70% and Shallow Site (-10 m to -20 m) in Sedimentary Sand 70% and Marl (30%) in Water TableMarl (30%) in Water Table

• Tunnel Excavation by Hydro or Earth Pressure Balanced Tunnel Excavation by Hydro or Earth Pressure Balanced TBMs, other Works from SurfaceTBMs, other Works from Surface• Design and Costing Carried Out to the Same Level of Detail Design and Costing Carried Out to the Same Level of Detail

as for the CERN Site, with the Same Consultantas for the CERN Site, with the Same Consultant• Same Layouts adapted to Specificities of SiteSame Layouts adapted to Specificities of Site• Cost by Compare to CERN Site :Cost by Compare to CERN Site :

• Total CFS : +13 %Total CFS : +13 %• Civil Engineering : + 20%Civil Engineering : + 20%

(1) Official Confirmation “for Reference” Not Received(1) Official Confirmation “for Reference” Not Received

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Design and Cost EstimatesDesign and Cost EstimatesCFS Group – European RegionCFS Group – European Region

European Sites “For Reference”European Sites “For Reference”• DUBNA SiteDUBNA Site

• Shallow Site (- 20 m average) in drift Clay under Superficial Shallow Site (- 20 m average) in drift Clay under Superficial Layer of Alluvial DepositsLayer of Alluvial Deposits

• Tunnel Excavation by Shield TBMs, other Works from Tunnel Excavation by Shield TBMs, other Works from SurfaceSurface• Cost Estimates Based on Valencia Layouts (Last Cost Estimates Based on Valencia Layouts (Last Information Received by End November Possibly Not Information Received by End November Possibly Not Taken into Account)Taken into Account)• Cost by compare to CERN Site :Cost by compare to CERN Site :

• Total CFS : +9%Total CFS : +9%• Civil Engineering : -13% (Underground -29%)Civil Engineering : -13% (Underground -29%)• Electrical Engineering : +43%Electrical Engineering : +43%• Process Cooling Water : +58%Process Cooling Water : +58%

(2) According to Last Information Provided by G. Shirkov 11-12-06(2) According to Last Information Provided by G. Shirkov 11-12-06

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Design and Cost EstimatesDesign and Cost EstimatesCFS Group – European RegionCFS Group – European Region

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Design and Cost EstimatesDesign and Cost EstimatesCFS Group – European RegionCFS Group – European Region

Engineering, study work and documentation

9%

Underground Facilities

81%

Surface Structures

8%

Site Development

2%

• Distribution of CE Costs (One IR Alternative)

Asian Site

Europe CERN Site Europe DESY Site

Americas CERN Site

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Design and Cost EstimatesDesign and Cost EstimatesCFS Group – European RegionCFS Group – European Region

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Design and Cost EstimatesDesign and Cost EstimatesCFS Group – European RegionCFS Group – European Region

Page 6/2Page 6/2

Lists of Buildings : Two Lists needed, One Lists of Buildings : Two Lists needed, One for Needed Buildings on a Stand Alone Site, for Needed Buildings on a Stand Alone Site, One for Sites close to Existing HEP One for Sites close to Existing HEP LaboratoriesLaboratories

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Design and Cost EstimatesDesign and Cost EstimatesCFS Group – European RegionCFS Group – European Region

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Design and Cost EstimatesDesign and Cost EstimatesCFS Group – European RegionCFS Group – European Region

Page 6/3Page 6/3

Shaft Diameter depending on Details of the Shaft Diameter depending on Details of the Cavity Module Cryostat DesignCavity Module Cryostat Design

Overall Savings for reducing the Overall Savings for reducing the 14 m Shafts to 9 m Diameter.14 m Shafts to 9 m Diameter.

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Design and Cost EstimatesDesign and Cost EstimatesCFS Group – European RegionCFS Group – European Region

SHAFTS Diameter Reduction from 14 m to 9 mSHAFTS Diameter Reduction from 14 m to 9 m(Shafts 2, 3, 4, 5, 10, 11)(Shafts 2, 3, 4, 5, 10, 11)

• EUROPE : EUROPE : • ∆ ∆ Cost : 100’523 – 49’818 = 50’705 USD/mCost : 100’523 – 49’818 = 50’705 USD/m• Average depth : 100 mAverage depth : 100 m• Savings : 50’705 x 6 x 100 = 30.4 MUSDSavings : 50’705 x 6 x 100 = 30.4 MUSD• + 10% uncertainties on moraines = + 10% uncertainties on moraines = - 33.5 MUSD- 33.5 MUSD

• AMERICAS :AMERICAS :• ∆ ∆ Cost : 134’768 – 78’280 = 56’488 USD/mCost : 134’768 – 78’280 = 56’488 USD/m• Average depth : 135 mAverage depth : 135 m• Savings : 56’488 x 6 x 135 = Savings : 56’488 x 6 x 135 = -45.8 MUSD-45.8 MUSD

• ASIA :ASIA : Not Applicable (Slopped Access Galleries) Not Applicable (Slopped Access Galleries)

Additional Costs on Reinforcement of Modules Structures to Additional Costs on Reinforcement of Modules Structures to be assessed by RFbe assessed by RF

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Design and Cost EstimatesDesign and Cost EstimatesCFS Group – European RegionCFS Group – European Region

Page 7Page 7

Give the Cost and Benefits for an Insulated Give the Cost and Benefits for an Insulated Water Return Pipe.Water Return Pipe.

Give Consequences for Rising the DeltaGive Consequences for Rising the DeltaFor Water Temperature For Water Temperature (of more than the present 10°C)(of more than the present 10°C)

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Design and Cost EstimatesDesign and Cost EstimatesCFS Group – European RegionCFS Group – European Region

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The Committee suggests reassessing the The Committee suggests reassessing the Specified Emergency Power Value since it Specified Emergency Power Value since it appears quite Low.appears quite Low.

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Design and Cost EstimatesDesign and Cost EstimatesCFS Group – European RegionCFS Group – European Region

Emergency Power Value (1)Emergency Power Value (1)

• What should be taken for emergency power needs further considerationWhat should be taken for emergency power needs further consideration and clear decision at EDR stageand clear decision at EDR stage

• At present stage, we guestimated that following items should be considered:At present stage, we guestimated that following items should be considered:

- Emergency ventilation- Emergency ventilation - Emergency ligthing- Emergency ligthing - Emergency drainage pumps- Emergency drainage pumps - Alarms and signalling systems- Alarms and signalling systems - Access control systems- Access control systems - lifts- lifts

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Design and Cost EstimatesDesign and Cost EstimatesCFS Group – European RegionCFS Group – European Region

Emergency Power Value (2)Emergency Power Value (2)

• Steady state consumption is 1.4 MWSteady state consumption is 1.4 MW

• Emergency supply system as designed and costed allows for 5 to 10 MWEmergency supply system as designed and costed allows for 5 to 10 MW

• Inrush current for users requires a factor of 2 to 3 Inrush current for users requires a factor of 2 to 3

• We suggest to state 3.8 MW in EMER column of power table We suggest to state 3.8 MW in EMER column of power table hence an overall total of 229.7 MWhence an overall total of 229.7 MW

• However main cost driver is distance rather than powerHowever main cost driver is distance rather than power

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Design and Cost EstimatesDesign and Cost EstimatesCFS Group – European RegionCFS Group – European Region

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Combination of Service Access Shaft and Combination of Service Access Shaft and Neighboring Detector Installation ?Neighboring Detector Installation ?

Reasons for the Necessity of an Access Reasons for the Necessity of an Access Shaft over the Service Cavern for BDS Area.Shaft over the Service Cavern for BDS Area.

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Design and Cost EstimatesDesign and Cost EstimatesCFS Group – European RegionCFS Group – European Region

Reasons for Necessity of an Access Shaft to the Reasons for Necessity of an Access Shaft to the Service Cavern of the BDS Area SystemService Cavern of the BDS Area System

• Easy and Direct Access to all Equipment/Components Easy and Direct Access to all Equipment/Components in Service cavernin Service cavern

• Safety Access Required to such a Large cavernSafety Access Required to such a Large cavern• Possibility to Access the Service cavern at all Times Possibility to Access the Service cavern at all Times

(Shielding not Required)(Shielding not Required)• Specific Crane and Lift in the Service Shaft : no need Specific Crane and Lift in the Service Shaft : no need

for time sharing with one of the Detectors (nearest one)for time sharing with one of the Detectors (nearest one)• Direct Access to the BDS Service Tunnel : easier transport Direct Access to the BDS Service Tunnel : easier transport

of BDS equipment from the surfaceof BDS equipment from the surface• Easier Access to Survey Galleries for Alignment of Machine/Detectors Easier Access to Survey Galleries for Alignment of Machine/Detectors ComponentsComponents• Access to Detectors hall in case of Failure of Lowering Equipment Access to Detectors hall in case of Failure of Lowering Equipment

in the 16 m Diameter Shafts over the Detector Hallin the 16 m Diameter Shafts over the Detector Hall

CE Cost : CE Cost : EuropeEurope ~ ~ 5.5 MUSD 5.5 MUSDAmericasAmericas~~ 10.6 MUSD 10.6 MUSDAsia Asia ~ 13.7 MUSD~ 13.7 MUSD

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Design and Cost EstimatesDesign and Cost EstimatesCFS Group – European RegionCFS Group – European Region