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    For internal use only / Siemens AG 2009. All Rights Reserved.

    Flow Concepts

    Paul Murphy

    Siemens Industry Inc.

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    Welcome

    Siemens Industry, Inc. 2010

    An expert is a man from an other town

    S. Clemens

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    Flow Concepts

    A few things to consider in no particular order

    These are issues common to all flow meter technologies

    All flow meters are application sensitive- no one technology works best

    everywhere- have an open mind

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    Flow meter sizing

    Maximum flow Rate

    Minimum flow rateNormal flow rate

    Pipe size

    Be realistic, many systems are OVERSIZEDUse the sizing programs when you can

    Understand the performance trade off of r ight size vs. convenient size

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    Flow Profi le

    What is flow profile?

    What affects this?

    How does it affect measurement?

    1. Linearity

    2. Repeatabil ity

    3. Accuracy

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    Flow Profi le

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    Reynolds number

    What does it mean

    Why it is not usually important in water applications

    Turbulent vs. laminar flow

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    Flow Calculator

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    Whats in the fluid?

    Is the fluid clean ?

    Suspended solids

    Aeration its causes and effects

    How this affects flow measurement

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    The effects of aeration

    May be measured as liquid, will affect measurement

    Velocity based systems -mag, ultrasonic, turbines etc. will generallyread high

    Mass meters may read correctly but volume may be erroneous

    Processes may be affected- pumps, cooling etc.

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    Changes in the fluid

    How stable is the process

    Are there changes in viscosity, temperature or density

    Does pressure change?

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    How stable is pressure?

    Pressure transients and problems that they cause

    ARVs, PRVs and similar devices

    Too much pressure?

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    Large line considerations

    Access to pipe- often limited

    Condition of pipe inside and out

    Do you really know the o.d. and w/t?

    How round is the pipe?

    Is there a way to verify measured flow?

    High or low f low velocity?

    Full pipes only!

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    108 Bi-directional flow

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    How does flow velocity affect accuracy andperformance?

    Changes in flow profi le

    Operating outside the design range for the meter

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    Multi-phase Flow

    What is multi-phase flow?

    Oil and Water

    Partially Full Pipe

    Excessive aeration

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    Some meters require conductive fluids

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    Valves

    Control valve issues

    Block valves

    Valve designs are different

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    Whats wrong with this?

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    Whats in the pipe?

    Pipe liners-cement lined, concrete

    cylinder pipe

    Scale and corrosion

    Sediment

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    Vertical Flow Problems- downward flow

    Phase discontinuity and what it means

    How to deal with this type application

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    Turn down

    Min to max flow rate at specified accuracy?

    Span adjustment capabil ity of a meter?

    Different things to different technologies and different

    people!

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    Pipe Info

    Why do you need to know about pipe?

    What you need to know-

    1. Some technologies require more info2. o.d., i.d., wall thickness, pipe material

    3. Liner material and thickness

    4. General characteristics of the pipe-Is it really round, is it an old riveted pipe etc.?

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    Large riveted pipes1920s vintage

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    Calibration

    How was it calibrated?

    When was it calibrated?

    Calibration stories-wwtp, brewery, crude oil, orifice plates-

    backwards, wrong size

    Can you calibrate a meter in service?

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    Flow Lab

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    Prover

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    The Real World

    What are your real needs? Are you looking for

    accuracy, repeatability, reliability..

    What are you willing to do to achieve these goals?

    Real accuracy always has a price!

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    The Real World- continued

    What are your maintenance and support capabilities?

    How critical is the application?

    What is plan B?

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    Questions, comments..

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    For internal use only / Siemens AG 2009. All Rights Reserved.

    Paul Murphy

    Flow Specialist

    4401 El Camino Real

    Suite K

    Atascadero, CA 93422

    Phone: 805-461-1707

    Cell: 805-286-2616

    E-Mail: [email protected]

    Thank you for your attention!