work and effect of guru in dusthana

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Nichiro wrote:

Respected Sudhaama ji,Guru in any bhava destroys the bhava (to a grater/lesser extent as per its shadbala

strength)

It is Guru's aspect which is beneficial and not occupancy.

So as a thumb rule, I usually check the bhavas aspected by Guru .

Exactly opposite is Sani Bhagwan.

Sani increases the Bhava he occupies and destroys the bhava he aspects with 3rd, 7thand 10th Dristi.

Your point about Deergha Sumangali Bhava ashirwadam is wonderful. By blessing a

lady people increase her Mangalya sukham and give longer life to husband (a sort ofpariharam?)

Nichiro

Yes. Yes... You are Radically correct on the Opposite qualities of Guru..

By ASPECTS...Guru enhances the values of the House ... while the Sani weakens.

By OCCUPANY...Guru weakens... while Sani Enhances.

I remember to have read a Varaha-mihira Sloka on such a Thumb-rule.

But such a Thumb-rule works opposite by END-RESULT...

...while the respective Houses are the Neecha(Debilitate) ones for the concerned planet.

So to mean..if the Placement of Guru is at its Neecha-House Makara from Lagna (Mithuna) ..

or...

... if the Sani is placed at Kumbha / Kanya / Rishaba... when one of them is the 8th house...

aspecting its Neecha-House Mesha... e

(1) Faces series of Hurdles, Difficulties, Sufferings including the worst poverty, losses butultimately miraculously gets retrieved towards Success....

...and / or...

(2) Escapes several serious accidents and finally succumbs to a minor accident.


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...and / or..

(3) Lives long-life... with sufferings and disappointments... but ultimately leads Glorious days

during his last part of life.

One more important factor... in case of both Good and Bad due to such an effect....

Guru renders the Good first followed by the Bad effects...

Sani renders the Bad first and then the Good... as due.

But such predictions are pertaining to such a SINGLE FACTOR of 8th House.

Depending upon other factors of the horoscope, influenced by other planets...

...the degree and intensity may vary as also be reduced or nullified.

...But in case of any Lucky person, we can note the BENEFICIAL EIGHTH House.

Why Hindus BLESS Males & Females DIFFERENTLY?

Nichiro wrote:

tfmlover/Selvakumar, Guru in 8th will never give long life unless it is weak and other

indications of Lagna lord being strong are there.

Mars in 12th gives a stormy relationship with wife. Men with 12th Mars are generally

Hyper sexual. Mama will have a troubled married life.

Elder brother of such men with Mars in 12th have short temper and they speak harshly.Father's brothers (uncles) are quarrelsome.

Generally these attributes are seen from Lagna. In absence of proper birth time/ weaklagna , see these attributes from Moon.

Beautiful analysis. Thanks Mr Nichiro...

My request to all my friends... Let us not jump here and there... without completing any one

point taken up.

Now the points under consideration... CONTINUING and Incomplete are...


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...TWO... One by HOUSE ..another by PLANET.

(1) The effect of EIGHTH BHAVA (House) .

(2) The effect of GURU in different Bhavas.

Let us complete these.... then take any other next point... as you all may choose.

Continuing on the EIGHTH HOUSE...

This Bhava is also concerned with ACCIDENTS, and MANGALYA-BHAVA for Women.... as

also LUCK.

Why in India... the Elders Bless the Youngsters DIFFERENTLY?.. saying ...

... DHEERGA- AYUSHMAN BHAVA... (Wish You Long Life) in case of Males...and

....DHEERGA SUMANGALI BHAVA...(Wish you Long Married Life) in case of Women.!!

The intention is to NULLIFY THE (Probable) BAD EFFECTS...of the Eighth Bhava...

... so to mean...Free of HURDLES...DIFFICULTIES... ACCIDENTS... WIDOW- HOOD

..indirectly WISHING both.. THE BEST OF LUCK and PROSPERITY.!!!

tfmlover/Selvakumar,

Guru in 8th will never give long life unless it is weak and other indications of Lagna lord being strong are

there.

Mars in 12th gives a stormy relationship with wife. Men with 12th Mars are generally Hyper sexual.

Mama will have a troubled married life.

Elder brother of such men with Mars in 12th have short temper and they speak harshly. Father's

brothers (uncles) are quarrelsome.


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Generally these attributes are seen from Lagna. In absence of proper birth time/

weak lagna , see these attributes from Moon.

guru in 8th house sexual relationship is more like spiritual connection but

if mars in 12 its just secret affairs unethical cheating

kinky ! ?

same with guru in 12 th house secret sex affairs too . is it true they dont want to marry discreet

connections alone satisfactry ?

also mars in 8th house give accidents but guru streches life in 8th house .

nichiri pls tell me bit about mars in 12 th house if you can .

8th - house of other people's money , tax , death and rebirth , sex ( small death

), financial spiritual support ,partnership psychological and spiritual death ,

gambling , inheritance, ,rituals , secrets and tranformation . die and reborn to

next level or life after death, reincarnation ,interested in religious occult or the

psychic issues , dowry . Unearned wealth and long life too.

and if guru in 8th house one will be lucky in those areas .

i am a sudent too .

i always heard guru in 8th house people lived beyond 95

Selvakumar,

6th house is opposite of expenditure.

12th is shaiya sukha sthanam as well as expenditure.Guru in 12th, IMHO and experience is detrimental to marriage as Guru destroys the house he occupies.

In fact it is only the aspect of Guru which is good and not his occupancy.

Guru in 8th is very bad for longevity and I have many examples of short life people

's charts having Guru in 8th.


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12th is the house of EXPENSES, hence expenses will be destroyed. Meaning savings

will increase and income will also increase. Same house is house of BED

PLEASURES. This Guru will destroy Shaiya sukham. I have many charts to prove it.

6th Guru means (6th house is one of the houses for income) hence it is detrimental to

income.

Dear Nichiro,

Thanks for making this discussion more lively... and RICH.

(1) Any Astrological conclusion has to be arrived...

(a) not only by the placement of a Planet in a particular house...

b) but also the ownership of that house plus the relation with planet under consideration as well

as

(c) other planets aspecting it...and also...

(d) the Kaarakathwam (Committed-Performane)of the Panet concerned... etc.

Thus the placement of Guru in the 6th house...if it be RISHABA or THULA the Sukra's... being

Guru's Enemy...will make vast diiference,

... from the cases of MESHA or VIRISCHIKA... the Houses of Mars the friend...

...as well as the cases of MEENAM or DHANUSU... Guru's own Houses...

...and KATAKA...Guru's Ucha (Exaltation) House...

... far more different in MAKARA...his Neecha-(Debilitation) House.

(2) Another point I am unable to understand how you say... that the 6th house relates to income!


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In fact it relates to DEBTS... and Concealed wealth... adding constant Worries... the Negative

aspects of INCOME.

(3) I have never heard of Guru affecting Saiya-Sukham by its aspecting the 12th House...(related

to Bed-pleasures also).

In fact by its beneficiary factor aspecting... it must fortify the 12th Bhava.!.. Is it Not?

How the basic Law and Aspecting-Quality of Guru... works contrary here.?..

...Sorry, I am unable to follow your point

Rahu in 6th increases the enemies but it always gives the person special ability to overcome/defeat the

enemies.Rahu in 12th is found to be un happy situation. It sometimes makes a person whimsical, interested in

extramarital affairs, cheating wife, govt, Problems , problems with co workers etc.

Each chart needs to be studied in isolation. Generalities do not always apply.

SIGNIFICANCE OF 12TH HOUSE

The 12th house in a horoscope encompasses matters that signify material loss. In practice, any house

that is in the 12th from another, would signify loss regarding matters governed by that house. In other

words, any given house would indicate loss to the matters governed by the house that lies next to it. So,

the seeds for triggering a loss in efforts, courage and communication (ruled by the 3rd house) lie in the

2nd house, loss of conjugal bliss and marital harmony (ruled by 7th house) may be studied from the 6th,

and loss of fortune and poise (spiritual equilibrium signified by the 9 th house) may be studied from the

8 th house since it lies in a chart in the 12 th house from the 9 th!

The 12th house, therefore, is not a very easy house in materialistic terms; however, there exist hints in

ancient texts that indicate the spiritual significance of the 12th house! It is a house of paramount

importance in the horoscopes of religious figures and ascetics. Confusingly, though, it has also been

vested with attributes and matters such as 'pleasures of the couch' - happy rests the head that has

nothing that remains to be lost, I suppose! Other things that may be studied from the 12th house

include the state of one's sleep, dwelling and wandering in lands foreign to one, karmic burdens,

investment expenses, institutions and similar issues.


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Generally speaking, one's spiritual growth, also known as the quest for knowing oneself, gets a kick start

in a major way when one faces 'choices' that pertain to losing something or someone who is extremely

dear. During most spiritual journeys, a time comes when one's attachments and clinging must be

challenged and subsequently shed. Invariably, experiences at such points in time prove to be the pivots

around which the wheel of spiritual progress turns! Whether one actually suffers the loss or merely

faces the possibilities of such, and the degree of metamorphosis that such an event or eventuality can

bring within oneself, varies between individuals, the profundity of the effect, however, is felt

unambiguously.

We can perhaps say that the 12th house signifies the material price that one must pay in order to reap

spiritual gains. Obviously, the two 'realities' or realms of awareness hardly enjoy any equivalence in

values. What might sound like a terrible loss when awareness is focused in the materialistic plane might

not automatically signify something of equal positive or negative value in the spiritual!

Planets that are associated with the 12th house in a horoscope, for instance those that are located in

the 12th, are important indicators of the materialistic areas that need work so that one may reap

spiritual benefits. The natural significance (role; karakattwa) of such a planet must be taken into

account, as well as those things signified by its rulership over houses in the given horoscope.

The sun represents the individuality and ego (which can readily become EGO!) and by virtue of being

placed in the 12th house would signify the lure of EGO, WHICH must be overcome by the nativity before

any real spiritual advancement can commence. This would be even more so, should Leo be rising in theascendant, thereby imparting the sun with a natural and temporal or chart-specific focus as during

double duty as a significators of the self and ego, two keywords that are primarily studied from the first

house! Should such a situation (sun in cancer in a Leo rising nativity) be present in a chart where Saturn

the epitome of humbleness rises, the path towards self-effacement becomes harder and not easier! The

task, signified by the sun in the 12th remains the same, but the expression and self-perception, thanks

to the Saturn in ascendant, lulls one into minimizing the extent of the task! "After all, how much more

humble can one appear", is what such a nativity feels? The mantra for someone with such a horoscopy

signature obviously is to 'become' humble and not merely be contented with simply "appearing" to be

humble!

For someone who is born with Venus in the 12th, the battle becomes one that is fought less at the

mental level! Indeed, such may be the plethora of artifacts of pleasure, luxury and distractions that one

finds the time and opportunities to think about the soul, much later in the game of earthly existence,

perhaps through finding a parental role!

While this may not be cast in stone, more often than not, when one is born with a planet in the 12th


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house, one is almost assured of 'reminders' from the spirit! These reminders may appear in one of many

different forms, but generally are unmistakable and quite often persistent. These could occur during

significant transits, and during the periods of dasha (the Vedic system of timing using a special form of

progression of the natal moon) of planets situated in the 12th house as well as during periods of planets

in the stars ruled by planets that are associated with the 12th. One may choose to treat the 12th house

as ones enemy and may try to reduce its impact but running and hiding in the game of spiritual

evolution merely delays the inevitable, namely, that growth and maturity is the birthright of the soul

and is best handled by facing rather than turning away from opportunities for growth that challenge us

throughout life

At my 18`s i dont belives in astrology even in god. my eduction was got interrupted

due to some unimaginable factors, i was very shocked and dissappointed at that time,my brain stops working.

i was tried my best but i dont succeeded.after 2 yr period of desperation & unsucces i

face a good time when i was selected in a exam.after 1 yr of good time, i also face

another bad time of 2 yr

i cant imagine that , but this time was not too bad compairing to first.i learn a lotduring these bad periods.

i lost all my best freinds (they leaves me cause my unsuccessness that time) but i gotmore reliable friends then the old was,who helped me in tough time. one of my best

freinds brother is of angry nature, where ever he goes he always gets a panga with

others, not a single day i heard that he lived peacefully.

so my freinds mother consult a atrologer, he told that the moon in his horoscope is

very weak,he advised them to wear him a big pearl , after apply this add what

immediately happend i dont know because i was fully concentrate on my exams thattime.after one month around when i met him i heard a positive results from his family

members and neighbours.

that is an incidence after that i realized something is true in indian astrology. i also

met the astrologer and asked him why i faced disturbance in education, he replies at

that time i was influenced by the dasha of ketu which sits in my horoscope in 5`th

house(a house related with education, mind-power, sons of native etc.). a manyprivate things he told me about my past time was also true.

10 years passed to this incidence, through that day to till day i am studied various

books on astrology, not only study but through practical i am reached on thisconclusion that this shastra is able to explain that we could not able to sense through

our limited powered sensible organs(eves,ears,nose,etc.)


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the modern science & its principles are mainly based on the conclusions we received

& observed by our limited sensible organs thats why modern science does not able tofound any reality in astrology.

though i am an electronic engineer, deeply belives in astrology & modern science too,i reads a lots of indian spiritual books ( including swami vivekanand ,ramkrishna

paramahansa, osho,swami dayanand saraswati & many about indian history)

reached on the conclusion that the jyotish shastra (that was told the eyes of the vedas)was being very popular at our old ages,

& though its popularity there were also be many quakes( same that now a days we

saw many quake doctors pratising in rural areas), who becomes astrologer reading

only one or two books, were the main reasons to lowering the prestige of jyotish in thepublic.

jyoish is not a science it is a vigyan(sanskrit) by practising of that one could got vidya

( ya vidya va vimuktaye). in vedas it is told vidya is the one who meets u to the god.for vidya u dont need any teaching( shiksha) but its a plus point to get vidya. shiksha

(knowledge related to any matter on these physical world), vidya(knowledge which

motivate anyones to the god i.e. creator of the physical world)

many peoples does not distinguish between shiksha & vidya

they think both are same(i was also when i dont know any thing about indiansprituality) .jyotish is a very holy vigyan that demands holiness, purity, highest

character qualites & moral values from its practitioners.

if astrology is a psuedo science than why there are so many expensive softwares are

developed by many talented software professionls & why there are so manyastrological portals on web in this 21`st century. any psuedo scinence does not have so

much long life, if it is be a psuedo than no one on this earth can never ever heardname of the astrology in the past 1000 years.

imagine anyone without a poetry inside him can enjoy a poem?

imagine anyone without music inside him can enjoy a song?imagine anyone without a scientfic attitude in him can study science?

think same for the astrology.

Dear Johntony,

Nice. Thanks for the pains taken, to post narrative and outspoken presentation.

With best Wishes,Sudhaama.

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SudhaamaPro Hubber

...

Best REMEDY... for Dosha-Jathakam.?

When some of the Horoscopes are having Doshas ...Defective / Ill-lucky / Deficient

...Astrologers used to prescribe some GRAHA-PREETHI / SANTHI / PARIHAARAAS...

through Specific Manthras and Rituals.

There are THREE MORE alternatives as solutions.

One is by MANI-SASTHRA... Wearing the appropriate Gems on the body

...with Rings or some such jewels, conforming to the advice of the Astrologer and Mani-sasthraExpert.

Second one is... by fervent Prayer to God of ones own faith and choice, seeking remedy.

Swami Thyagaraja says..."Graha-balam aemi?...Ramanugraha balamae balam...

..meaning..."If and when Rama-anugraham (God's grace) is available to a person, whatNavagraha-strength can overpower?

.. the MIGHTIEST.... can be... ONLY the GOD'S GRACE !!!

Third alternative is the practical one... to PLEASE GOD...by INDIRECT SERVICE to Him...

the easiest way.

How?... By HUMANITARIAN SOCIAL SERVICE... since God is the Universal protector...it

means sharing with His Noble-cause

Out of several instances of my experiences, I quote one ... the TRUE EVENT

One poor man, a Temple-cook could not get his daughter married until her age 28, despite his

strenuous efforts for about 10 years...

...only because the Girl's Horoscope was of KALATHRA-DOSHAM... serious impediment


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affecting the marriage prospects

He lamented to me one day... on his very first introduction itself .

...I advised him ..."The simplest solution is by RELEVANT Compensatory Social service,

...which alone can immensely please God EASILY.. and consequently fetch the Divine-Remedy...

...So search out for another poor man like you who too is having SIMILAR PROBLEM ofKalathra-Dosham ...

... As you would do to your daughter... SINCERELY AND WHOLE- HEARTEDLY...

..by persuasion with the Groom's parents, highlighting the Bride's Plus- points in other

aspects....

...similarly you SERVE for that Parent's interests for their daughter...

...Then see the After-effect.... God will take care of you"

Accordingly he did for three girls of different families and got them married... upto the

immense satisfaction of those aliens.

After some time, One day ...he being a Cook ...was employed for a Rich-girl's marriage...

In the course of the day... he was called by a Stranger couple who said...

"You see Mr. Krishna... We the Invitees for this marriage,. are quite rich.... Our only son of 30

years, was refusing to marry until now. But I wonder he saw your daughter here and expressed

his willingness to marry her. ..!!

... So, even though you are of very low status just as a cook, we are prepared to have your

daughter married to our affectionate son of high status and good calibre... What do you say?"

This cook could not believe his ears... Then, just for his satisfaction he consulted an Astrologer

who said OK.

The marriage was conducted in a grand scale at the Groom's expense... and now leading aHappy married life with children

The girl was not so pretty but just of mediocre good-look. But what impressed the Boy... so asto prefer her?

God alone knows.!!!... The Girl herself too feels...it is a MYSTERY.!!!

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Sudhaama wrote:

johntony wrote:

At my 18`s i dont belives in astrology even in god. my eduction was gotinterrupted due to some unimaginable factors, i was very shocked and

dissappointed at that time, my brain stops working.

i was tried my best but i dont succeeded.after 2 yr period of desperation &

unsucces i face a good time when i was selected in a exam.after 1 yr of

good time, i also face another bad time of 2 yr

i cant imagine that , but this time was not too bad compairing to first.i learna lot during these bad periods.

i lost all my best freinds (they leaves me cause my unsuccessness that time)but i got more reliable friends then the old was,who helped me in toughtime. one of my best freinds brother is of angry nature, where ever he goes

he always gets a panga with others, not a single day i heard that he lived

peacefully.

so my freinds mother consult a atrologer, he told that the moon in his

horoscope is very weak,he advised them to wear him a big pearl , afterapply this add what immediately happend i dont know because i was fully

concentrate on my exams that time.after one month around when i met him

i heard a positive results from his family members and neighbours.

that is an incidence after that i realized something is true in indian

astrology. i also met the astrologer and asked him why i faced disturbance

in education, he replies at that time i was influenced by the dasha of ketuwhich sits in my horoscope in 5`th house(a house related with education,

mind-power,sons of native etc.). a many private things he told me about my

past time was also true.

10 years passed to this incidance, through that day to till day i am studied

various books on astrology, not only study but through practical i am

reached on this conclusion that this shastra is able to explain that we could

not able to sense through our limited powered sensibleorgans(eves,ears,nose,etc.)

the modern science & its principles are mainly based on the conclusions wereceived & observed by our limited sensible organs thats why modern

science does not able to found any reality in astrology.

though i am an electronic engineer, deeply belives in astrology & modern


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science too, i reads a lots of indian spiritual books ( including swami

vivekanand ,ramkrishna paramahansa, osho,swami dayanand saraswati &

many about indian history)

reached on the conclusion that the jyotish shastra (that was told the eyes ofthe vedas) was being very popular at our old ages,

& though its popularity there were also be many quakes( same that now adays we saw many quake doctors pratising in rural areas), who becomesastrologer reading only one or two books, were the main reasons to

lowering the prestige of jyotish in the public.

jyoish is not a science it is a vigyan(sanskrit) by practising of that one could

got vidya ( ya vidya va vimuktaye). in vedas it is told vidya is the one who

meets u to the god. for vidya u dont need any teaching( shiksha) but its a

plus point to get vidya. shiksha (knowledge related to any matter on thesephysical world), vidya(knowledge which motivate anyones to the god i.e.

creator of the physical world)

many peoples does not distinguish between shiksha & vidya

they think both are same(i was also when i dont know any thing about

indian sprituality) .jyotish is a very holy vigyan that demands holiness,

purity, highest character qualites & moral values from its practitioners.

if astrology is a psuedo science than why there are so many expensive

softwares are developed by many talented software professionls & why

there are so many astrological portals on web in this 21`st century. anypsuedo scinence does not have so much long life, if it is be a psuedo than

no one on this earth can never ever heard name of the astrology in the past

1000 years.

imagine anyone without a poetry inside him can enjoy a poem?

imagine anyone without music inside him can enjoy a song?imagine anyone without a scientfic attitude in him can study science?

think same for the astrology.

Dear Johntony,

Nice. Thanks for the pains taken, to post narrative and outspoken presentation.

With best Wishes,

Sudhaama.

Dear sir,

i am not the right person for thanks, it should be given to the yogis & rishi-munis of india by


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reading their literature i got some little knowledge about astrology & sprituality.

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REVIVING ONE OF MY MOST LOVED THREADS IN THE HUB. I found this article very

interesting which answers the main question on astrology

Bill Gates' Future

1.Why aren't people who are born at the same time and place as Bill Gates rich like him?

2.What is special about Bill Gates?3.What is the future of Bill Gates?4.Money attracts money; poverty attracts poverty.

Currently the breaking news is that Warren Buffet, the second richest man in the world, is

giving most of his money (several billions of dollars) to the foundation of Bill Gates who aseveryone knows is the richest man in the world for the past many years. Why would Warren

Buffet give the money to Bill Gates foundation? Mr. Buffets answer is that if you want to play

golf, play with Tiger Woods. Buffets thinking is that Bill is the right person in the world ofphilanthropists and it is better to give the money to him so that the money would be properly

used. True, no one can question the prudence of Buffet and in my opinion Mr. Buffet has made

a good decision.

I am writing this note to my readers who are interested in Vedic Astrology and I thought that I

would raise some fundamental questions about the correctness of astrology itself using Bill

Gates as an example. Bill Gates was born on October 28, 1955 at 21:15 in the city of Seattle,Washington. The following is his Vedic birth chart with the placement of various planets in

different houses.

Why aren't people who are born at the same time and place as Bill Gates rich like him?

The most fundamental question to ask is the following. There are people in Seattle, Washington

born at the same time as Bill Gates. Why are they not as rich as Bill Gates or somewhere nearto him? One might rightly assume that some of them born at the same time may very likely be

poor as well. The natal charts of all those born at the same time will be identical. If at all there

are some changes, it will be in the placement of the Moon which is the fastest moving planet.

Even the Moon stays in one zodiac sign for about 2 days. This is an inconvenient question forastrologers. Assuming that some one carries out a research project to collect all the horoscopes

of people born at Bill Gates birth time in Seattle and present it to a bunch of astrologers, how

would they give their readings? Is astrology then a false science? No, it is not.
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I have put the question to many renowned astrologers and no one gave me a satisfactory answer

except one gentleman. His name is Unnikrishna Panikkar (click for recent article) from Kerala

in Southern India. Mr. Panikkar is a divine astrologer and he practices a special form of Vedic

astrology called Astamangalam Prasannam. (B.V. Raman, Indias most celebrated

astrologer has published a translation of this unique form of astrology. The title is known asPrasna Marga in 2 Volumes). Panikkar told me that a persons chart should be read in relationto six generations of his ancestorsin this case, Bill Gates father, his grandfather, his great,

great grandfather, etc. going back six generations. The whole idea is that if Bill Gates is rich, it

is not simply his doing. It is collectively the merit of six generations of his ancestors. Mr.Panikkar said that if your grandfather or great grandfather had been a bad guy who raped

women and murdered someone or even deceived another, you end up paying for it.

To the modern rational mind-set this seems to be unfair, but that is how things work in theworld of the souls. Mr. Panikkar speaks about a unique soul genetics which is similar to DNA

inheritance. Astamangalam astrology is an amazing science, but unfortunately there are only a

few who are good at it and it is difficult to get hold of them to give you a reading. Mr. Panikkarbecame attracted to me for my spirituality and for about 2 years we have been good friends.

What is special about Bill Gates' chart?Bill Gates is born at a very auspicious time. It is the thirteenth waxing Moon time and the Moon

itself is on the star, Uttarabhadrapada. His incarnation is a direct act of Lord Siva who is the

God in charge of removing karma. Students who are following my teaching know that on the

13th Moon (Pradosham Day) during sunset time Siva removes the suffering of people. LikeSiva, Bill Gates will alleviate the suffering of people. His birth star Uttarabhadrapada is ruled

by Saturn and Hanuman. Saturn himself is in Libra exactly with a debilitated Sun and powerful

Venus. The placement of these three planets in his Fifth House from the Ascendant clearly

proves that Bill Gates is connected with the Divine, particularly Lord Siva. In order to have afortunate life one should have a good Ascendant zodiac sign and the Lord this zodiac sign

powerfully placed. Bill Gates has Gemini as the Ascendant and Mercury, the Lord of Gemini, is

exalted in Virgo. Further, Ketu in the 12th house means that this will be Bill Gates lastincarnation.

What is the future of Bill Gates?Bill Gates had been born in India in many, many lifetimes and this memory will kick in very

soon for him. He will soon engage himself in researching the occult palm leaves called nadi

leaves in Southern India which carries the cure for so many diseases. This research will lead

him to become spiritual for the rest of his life. He would soon thereafter be interested in

physical immortality and the art of turning the body into light following the Tamil Siddhatradition. He will invest a lot of resources for research into physical immortality.

It is very likely that he may dramatically enter U.S. and world politics. He will be some sort of

rulerU.S. President? The entry will be dramatic and he will do a good job. Eventually Bill

Gates will become a yogi and he will establish ashrams all over the world. He will bridge thegap between science and religion.


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Money attracts money. Poverty attracts poverty.Bill Gates attracts money. Likewise the people in the African countries, being already poor,

attract only poverty. Is there a way out for the problem? Yes, there is. The answer is in remedial

astrology.

uru in 9th and 7th are quite far different and in fact beneficial in contrast to

its Negative-effect by location in other houses.. as I have learnt from Books,

Experts as well as by practical observation too.

Sudhamma,I have seen GURU in the 7th house in Rajinikanth's horoscope. Lagna is Leo.

Guru - 5th house and 8th house lord.

I think we know very well about how RK's marriage life was

Yes.. Practically I havenot seen much negative effect for people who have GURU inthe 7th house and 9th house.

But if we have to look as per the rules, I think NIchiro too has a point. I think it

depends on lot of factors as you mentioned.

Sorry Selvakumar... On my comment as your "Same-side Goal"... it was my Typographical error

to have mentioned as Guru in the 9th House .. It should be read as 7th..

My categorical stand is... that the General Formulae on Guru that he is a Parasite for any House

he is located...

...does not apply to the Two Houses.. 7th and 9th... where by his location, the strtength of such a

house is enhanced...

..as well as that the Guru in 7th and 9th becomes Benefic.

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Guru... is a GOOD EXAMPLE for my stand..

He has an exceptionally Good wife... on which he is quite happy and proud says Rajni.

And we are seeing how she has added glory to her husband by establishing and running under

her management an Educational Institution of emulative Moral-values.

All these are because of 7th house Guru... for the Husband Rajni..

Seventh house... KALHATHRA-STHAANAM... denotes only about the Wife and her qualities,HER APPROACH towards her husband etc...

.. and NOT ON HOW THE HUSBAND WILL TREAT HER...

..Nor on how the Married-life will be....nor any other relevant factor.

For all such aspects on the Married-Life of the Horoscope-holder...

....IN ADDITION TO 7th HOUSE...

... we have to study... the 2nd( Kudumba-Sthaanam)... 12th (Sayana- Bhoga- Sthaanam)... 4th(Sukha- Sthaanam)... 8th (Saanthi- Sthaanam)...9th (Dharma / Bhaagya- Sthaanam)... also...

.. as well as the Factors of the respective Kalhathra-Kaarakan...

.. and the Factors of Mangala-Griha MARS too... All these concurrently.

So, at any part of the past... if Rajni had not duly reciprocated to the degree of love andcommitments of his Wife... or if the couple had misunderstandings or if they could not lead a

Happy Married-Life... it is not due to Guru in the 7th...

.. but because of some other factors... as quoted above...linked to Dasa-bhukthi.

And those were the Events of Passing-clouds... resumed to Normalcy subsequently.

If Guru at 7th were bad... the whole Life-time would have been affected.. because of the wife and

not just a part only.

For example Guru in Lagna is bad. ..as proved by the Reality of Lord Rama's Horoscope.... allthrough His Life....

..especially because of His wife... Seetha.... even though a Glorious Wife.!

I do not understand... why Mr Nichiro says that he will not discuss on Rama's Horoscope... being

the "Chewed" one...!


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In fact all Astrologers...even now-a-days... often quote Rama's Horoscope Nth time... as a

Yardstick and Exemplary one ...

...rendering us unending amount of furthermore proofs on Reality of Life... anew every time... bymeans of deeper insights

..Similar to the Ocean...which is still quoted as example repeatedly by the Poets..

...even though Ocean too is a "Chewed" Simile for the Poets, Scientists, Philosophers and

Artists.!

Lord Rama's Horoscope is the BEST ONE...any Human can afford to have.

...But still He suffered.!. WHY?. There lies the Logic of Astrology. Mankind has to learn !!!

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Location: DetroitPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 7:24 am Post subject: GURU....Part II

Friends,

This is 2nd instalment of an article I wrote about 3 or 4 years back on Guru. I hope you would

like it.

Guru Bhagawan as Giver of DHI Intellectual Aura, Tejas, Brilliance of Dhi shakti etc. is highly

reveared in Vedic Astrology. His aspect infuses life, fortifies athe Bhava he aspects and gives

superior grasping power of shastras.

In my last posting on Guru I have tried and posted some charts to corroborate the dictum

BHAVA NASHA KARO JEEVA, I had posted its effects till 5th bhava. Some time back, in

other postings in Another discussion group, I had posted my findings on Guru in 7th bhava also.

I have found Guru in 7th bhava delaying marriages and also giving an inclination of straying
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from normal marital life .It has been found to give love marriages and Extra marital interests.

Guru in 8th bhava has been found to take life and give Alpayu/Madhyayu to jatakas.

Guru in 9th has been found by me to be very detrimental to father in a lot of cases. Father's luckstarts dwindling after the jatakas are born.

Guru in 10th bhava has been observed by me to give failures in business to self and loss ofproperty to father.

Guru in 11th makes a person first born or 1st male child or it denotes miscarriage/short life toprevious borns of the siblings elder to jataka. Father is found to be eldest born or he outsurvives

all his siblings.

Guru in 12th bhava gives destruction of Shaiya sukham resulting in very late marriages ,remarriage and inflow of money.I have found people with 12th Guru earning in excess and

spending little.

Guru and Sani , always give something and take away something.If in 9th, if a person becomes lucky, his father suffers or dies.

In second house, he gives a lot of money and then lands the man in neck deep debts.

In 4th house, if he gives a house, he takes away vahana or mother or somerthing connected with

4th house.

My whole exercise in giving examples of negetive traits of Guru is not to demean Guru but

trying to enter in an excercise to reach the bottom of the thing and find out why GURU gives

very bad results.

I have done research into the causes and found the cause to be very simple as always. Aswritten before, Guru takes root in a bhava and in order to give something in aspects to other

bhavas, it sucks the inner strength of the bhava like a tube well or a wick of a lamp.In this

process some attributes of a bhava are destoyed.The examples are already given as above.

The cause may lie in his ownership of Dhanur Rasi.

What is so special about Dhanur Rasi?

Dhanur is an Agni Tatwa rasi which is termed as KRURA or PITILESS .

It is the sign that falls in 9th house of kalapurusha chart.Over this sign, a Jathaka has no control

as it signifies Bhagya and Pita.

If Mesha is the jathaka, then Dhanur Rasi is the father. Nakshatras in Dhanur rasi are, MOOLA,

belonging to Ketu, Purvashadha of Shukra and U.Shadha of Surya.If you think the significanceof this, it means, Father puts Atma Tatwa(Sun) in His sperms(Shukra) and thereby reduces his


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own life (ketu)

.

Since only 1st pada of U.Shadha is in Dhanur Rasi, it means Father puts only a part of his Atma

tatwa in the Sperm. As he may have many other children.

Guru is made the owner of this sign as the combination of Sperm, Atma tatwa signifies Sumtotal of Jeeva or Life.This is why Guru is also known as JEEVA. It may look paradoxical that adry sign should signify life. But it is true.

Why the sign is Krura? This sign is Krura because When the Ojas of Father leaves him, hereduces his Tejas and his Atma shakti becomes depleated or KSHINA.

This is a krura karma.

All these is ok so far.

But why should the Dhanur Rasi be affecting its owner so much ?I would like to take you back to my work on Plantery Nodes .Out of the Nodes of Guru and Sani, we are concerned with the following nodes.

Jupiter'e Northen node GURA (My termonology)falls in Gemini,17Deg.40mts in AridraNakshatra.

Jupiter'e southern node GUKE falls in Dhanur Rasi .17Deg.40 mtin P.Shadha Nakshatra.

Saturn's Northern Node SARA falls in Gemini.0.Deg 56mts.

in Mrigshirsha Nakshatra.

Saturn's southern node SAKE falls in Dhanur Rasi.0.Deg 56.mts Southern Node in MULA

nakshatra.

IF YOU LOOK AT SOUTHERN NODE OF SATURN (Sani's Ketu), IT IS IN MULA AND

THIS EXPLAINS WHY MULA NAKSHATRA IS SO POISONOUS.!!!Remarkable isn't it?

IF YOU LOOK AT SOUTHERN NODE OF GURU, (Ketu of Jupiter) IT IS IN

SAGGITARIUS.!!

No wonder Guru is the Lord of Knowledge and Intelligence.

These nodes are as good as planets in those signs. Of the above nodes, it has been found that

nodes of Mars,Jupiter and Saturn are very important and have a remarkable effect in mundane

and personal life.

Since each node takes over 30,000 to 40,000 years to change a sign, we can practically say that

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Dhanur rasi is represented by A Hunter.

Dhanur Rasi has SAKE,and GUKE the southern nodes of Sani and Guru. It also has Mula

Nakshatra of Lunar southern node Ketu.

Having three Ketus power is something very very powerful thing.

Ketu is termed as Daruna, Tikshna,Hangman,Atirogi, Sinful planet, karaka of Pain andsuffering,Tamasika, living in cremation ground, without any Rasa,a snake, he is very old ofVayu prakriti,Akash Tatwa ,Headless spirit.

On the positive side, Ketu is Moksha karaka and Antargyani.So when Guru becomes the lord of Dhanur Rasi, he is responsible for imbibing the attributes of

Ketus of Dhanu Rasi.

Imagine how will it be when there are Two Permenent Ketus in Dhanur rasi and aspect of Sani'sRahu SARA and Guru's Rahu GURA on Dhanur Rasi ??.

Compared to this, Meena Rasi which is another Rasi owned by Guru , is totally opposite innature more in tune with Guru's good attributes.Hence Guru gives two types of results whenever he occupies anysign.

This result is part negetive and part positive.

So when we talk of Guru and his effects, we are talking of a planet with almost exactly opposite

attributes.

He is a hangman and a killer and at the same time Giver of Life.

He is the chief cause of disease and he is the medicine.

Guru is very mighty and has very benign aspect.Guru gives us oxygen and is Jeeva.WithoutGuru's help, we would all be Mudha and lifeless.

Let us pray Guru with all our heart and full faith.

Brum Bruhaspataye Namah:

Nichiro

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Posts: 2487

Location: USA

Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:11 am Post subject:

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GURU in 7th: Model-Horoscope + PRACTICAL

EXPERIENCE.

Mr Nichiro has put forth a VERY INTERESTING and RICH Analysis on Guru and the alliedaspects... in a beautiful presentation.

Here is a Model-Horoscope and the Resultant Life-Experience of my Intimate Friend of morethan 60 years.

Date of Birth: 08 / 09 April, 1934. -- Time : 05-55 AM of 09th.

Lagna:- MEENA. -- Birth-Star: SRAVANA-4 (Thiruvonam)-- Rasi : MAKARA.

Location of Planets:---

Lagna(Meena):-- SOORYA, ANGAARAKA

5th (Kataka):-- KETHU

7th (Kanya):-- GURU11th (Makara) :-- CHANDRA, RAAHU

12th (Kumbha) :-- SUKRA, SANI, BUDHA.

Life-Experience:--

(1) Born rich with a Silver-spoon... but within the age of 10, sufferings started. Father withmeagre earning. Struggled for subsistence and Education... Lost all the Parental properties

because of quarrels amongst the Paternal and Maternal uncles. Finally lost all the Properties

inherited.

(2) Proven Honest and Trustworthy all through the past. Sincere and "Hard-worker". Acclaimedhighly competent and Result-oriented. But NO RECOGNITION in career. Suffered a lot for the

major part of Life until 60th age.

(3) Married at the age of 27... Lost the initial Two Male Babies by miscarriage. Subsequently 4

daughters and One Son.

(4) Met with a Major-accident... resulting in Bed-ridden for 6 years... No Income.
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(5) Professional Career with different Employers... Total failure with heavy loss of Income.

Business also a major blow by utter failure, due to cheating by all the Co-directors in collusion.

..Hand to mouth Subsistence for 19 long years.....with a Family of 7 members.!

(6) Has an EXEMPLARILY GOOD WIFE... who supported him and his family of FiveChildren... all through... Brought them up and got them all well-educated and employed...Highly supported and co-ordinated with her husband for the children's marriages by means of

her inexplicable amount of Self-Sacrifice and Tolerance.... Utmost personal care on the Sickly

Husband and the Children irrespectrive of her Husband's attention or Family-commitment

(7) Now...from the Jathaka's age about 60... the Family... rather the 5 children and the parents

are quite well-placed MAINLY BECAUSE of the SELFLESS WIFE.!...

Here can we say the SEVENTH GURU... is a Parasite.?... or a Negative Malefic.?

..

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Posts: 485

Location: DetroitPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 12:33 pm Post subject:

Dear Sudhaama Sir,

I am just leaving for my work place and have no time to discuss much in detail.

Your friend has Vakri Guru , the lord of his karma in Badhaka sthanam.

By just being in badhaka sthanam, your friend led a pauper's life but got a good wife.He got a

good wife no doubt but he had cheating partners who were crooks and robbed him off his

parnership, money and left him a pauper.

I hope you know that 7th house also indicates BUSINESS PARTNERS .

My point is, Guru , for his wife, robbed her off her financial happiness . Guru takes away

something and gives something . So does Sani.
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Will discuss more later.

Nichiro

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Location: USAPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 3:43 pm Post subject:

Sudhaama wrote:

.GURU in 7th: Model-Horoscope + PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE.

Mr Nichiro has put forth a VERY INTERESTING and RICH Analysis on Guru andthe allied aspects... in a beautiful presentation.

Here is a Model-Horoscope and the Resultant Life-Experience of my Intimate Friendof more than 60 years.

Date of Birth: 08 / 09 April, 1934. -- Time : 05-55 AM of 09th.

Lagna:- MEENA. -- Birth-Star: SRAVANA-4 (Thiruvonam)-- Rasi : MAKARA.

Location of Planets:---

Lagna(Meena):-- SOORYA, ANGAARAKA

5th (Kataka):-- KETHU7th (Kanya):-- GURU11th (Makara) :-- CHANDRA, RAAHU

12th (Kumbha) :-- SUKRA, SANI, BUDHA.

Life-Experience:--
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(1) Born rich with a Silver-spoon... but within the age of 10, sufferings started.Father with meagre earning. Struggled for subsistence and Education... Lost all the

Parental properties because of quarrels amongst the Paternal and Maternal uncles.

Finally lost all the Properties inherited.

(2) Proven Honest and Trustworthy all through the past. Sincere and "Hard-worker".Acclaimed highly competent and Result-oriented. But NO RECOGNITION incareer. Suffered a lot for the major part of Life until 60th age.

(3) Married at the age of 27... Lost the initial Two Male Babies by miscarriage.Subsequently 4 daughters and One Son.

(4) Met with a Major-accident... resulting in Bed-ridden for 6 years... No Income.

(5) Professional Career with different Employers... Total failure with heavy loss of

Income. Business also a major blow by utter failure, due to cheating by all the Co-

directors in collusion. ..Hand to mouth Subsistence for 19 long years.....with aFamily of 7 members.!

(6) Has an EXEMPLARILY GOOD WIFE... who supported him and his family of

Five Children... all through... Brought them up and got them all well-educated andemployed... Highly supported and co-ordinated with her husband for the children's

marriages by means of her inexplicable amount of Self-Sacrifice and Tolerance....

Utmost personal care on the Sickly Husband and the Children irrespectrive of herHusband's attention or Family-commitment

(7) Now...from the Jathaka's age about 60... the Family... rather the 5 children and

the parents are quite well-placed MAINLY BECAUSE of the SELFLESS WIFE.!...

Here can we say the SEVENTH GURU... is a Parasite.?... or a Negative Malefic.?

..

Dear Nichiro and others,

My Question is NOT... why the Jathaka suffered?.. and what the wife got or not?

But my only question here: ... GURU IN THE 7th ...KALHATHRA- STHAANAM...in this

case ...GOOD OR BAD?...How? and Why?.

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Joined: 27 Apr 2005

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Location: DetroitPosted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:54 pm Post subject:

Dear Sudhaama Sir,

7th house is KALATHRA STHANAM agreed. But 7th house also means PARTNERS,

PARTNESHIPS, Travels, Other Peopel, opponents and much more.

Guru does affect some or all indications of 7th house depending on its strength and othe factors.

Please stop treating 7th house only as Kalathra sthanam.

Nichiro

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[quote="Nichiro"]

//... 7th house is KALATHRA STHANAM agreed. But 7th house also means PARTNERS,PARTNESHIPS, Travels, Other Peopel, opponents and much more.//

//Guru does affect some or all indications of 7th house depending on its strength and othefactors// .

Yes. Agreed. But in what way Guru has defeated the Strength and Bhava of the 7th House?... is

my Question.

There are several cases in my vast experience I have observed as also advised to me by many of

my Astrologer friends. And this one of my friend Mr. Vasu and his Wife Ms Vidhya quoted

above as an Example...

... a TRUE CASE supported by ample experience of more than 60 long years.

One of the WORST HOROSCOPES...we can see normally in Life... since there are several

Dhoshas.... due to almost all other planets too.

But invariably one and all Astrologers categorically assert... that this Jathaka was able to
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survive and further is able to exist and thrive...

...MAINLY BECAUSE OF GURU IN "SEVENTH HOUSE"... aspecting not only.. its own

house Meena plus the 11th Laabha-Sthaanam.

Now let us see the status of other Planets and Houses clashing with Guru at 7th.... in all respectsof that house.

KALHATHRA: The Jathaka has got an emulative Best-wife...HIGHLY LOVING...devoted and

dedicated... and totally SELFLESS for the sake of her Husband. .. She surrendered not only herown self dedicatedly to her husband...but also all her possessions of wealth, jewels and

Valuable Silver articles too... for the sake of subsistence of a big family, when the only Bread-

winner husband became bed-ridden and sick subsequently. Finally she too became poor. What

more one can expect from a Kalhathra?

PARTNERS: Yes ..Partners in business was an utter failure as already pointed out. But why?

Was it due to Guru? No... In fact Guru has neutralized the Ill-effects caused by other planets.How?

Soorya the Adhipathi of the 6th, the Runha, Roga, Sathru Sthaanam.. placed at Lagna had done

the maximum havoc... by aspecting the 7th bhava

Besides Guru is the 10th Karma-Sthaana-Adhipathi too. In that aspect Guru too had joined with

Soorya to doom his life.

And Guru has got Kendra-Aadhipathya- Dhosha... due to the ownership of1 & 10 placed at 7....

which has affected his Sukha(4th) and Karma(10) aspects.

Angaaraka the Adhipathi of 2nd(Dhana-Kudumba- Sthaanam) plus 9th (Bhaagya-Sthaanam) ...

placed with Soorya the Sathru at Lagna ...

... aspecting the 7th as well as Guru the Lagna-Adhipathi.. weakening the 7th bhava

Besides Angaaraka had become Nil to Asthanga-dhosha due to his conjunction with Soorya..

However all such deficiencies caused by other planets have been neutralized and balanced by

Guru at 7th.

FRIENDS: He had the best friends true to its sense... who have come to his succour at his worstcircumstances.

// Please stop treating 7th house only as Kalathra sthanam.//

Ah !... STOP TREATING THE KALHATHRA Bhavam?.. Why?. That is my main point of

argument my dear friend.


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So I sum up...My firm Stand ... DIFFERING WITH YOU...are.

(1) Guru at 7th and 9th are the Exceptions from the General Formulae... in the sense of location.

Rather Guru is Very Good at 7th and 9th.

(2) You say Guru and Sani give something and Take-away something else.

May I know which one or more of other Grahas (Planets) is different in that respect?

Each and every Planet including Guru and Sani... give something and Take away somethingelse....

...however Best or the Worst the Horoscope be!... WITHOUT EXCEPTION.

Guru is DHARMA-KAARAKA.... So he establishes JUSTICE... to EVERYBODY.

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Location: DetroitPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 12:02 pm Post subject:

Dear Sudhaama Sir,

You do not seem to get the point. When I say that a Bhava is affected/destroyed, it means all

indications denoted by a bhava get affected to a grater or lesser extent.

A wife can be good and devoted when Guru is in 7th. But how many of us want to know howdid that woman feel when all was lost? Just because of her samskaras, she witstood stoiclayy all

antics of her husband but her happiness was definately destroyed along with her

money/streedhan etc. This is what I am trying to stress. If the Guru were to be much moremalefic, he would have done further damage.

There is no exception to Guru's occupation of any house.

Guru and sani take away/give something is more evident because both have very long dasaperiods. That is why their dasa leaves a lasting effect on a jathaka.

Guru is Dharma kaaraka and I do not disput that fact.

Please read my 2nd posting on Guru again. I have great regards for Guru.

Guru does not do justice. It is the work of Sani , he is the judge and awarder of punishment.
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Guru is a priest.

I took a prasna about this discussion and I think that this chart belongs to you. Please correct me

if I am wrong.Nev

Nichiro

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[quote="Nichiro"]

//You do not seem to get the point. When I say that a Bhava is affected/destroyed, it means allindications denoted by a bhava get affected to a grater or lesser extent.//

I am closely following your every point.

And what you say that...all indications denoted by a Bhava get affected, when a Bhava isaffected / destroyed.... is the General-factor, I agree.

But do we see such a consequence here in the case of 7th Guru... especially on KALHATHRA-BHAVA.?

I have already justified that not only on Kalhathra- aspect but also in all other aspects of 7thhouse... Guru is good... and in this case of Vasu's Horoscope, the causes for his sufferings bythe other factors of 7th house like Business... was due to some other reason as I had detailed. ...

...while Guru has done GOOD ONLY... with respects to Wife, Travels, Friends etc... as relevantto this house.

..Even in Business factor, Guru-bhava at 7th saved him... while it was detrimental by Karma-sthaana- Aadhipathyam and Kendra- Aadhipathyam.

..But for Guru in 7th..the COMPENSATING-BENEFIC... he would have been totally doomed

to nil.

// A wife can be good and devoted when Guru is in 7th. But how many of us want to know how

did that woman feel when all was lost? Just because of her samskaras, she witstood stoiclayy all

antics of her husband but her happiness was definately destroyed along with hermoney/streedhan etc. This is what I am trying to stress. If the Guru were to be much more

malefic, he would have done further damage.//
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So you agree that Guru at 7th is NOT MALEFIC. Yes. anybody who is OPEN-MINDED... has

to accept this Fact and Reality..

Besides... as I have already replied to Mr Selvakumar on the same point ... I reiterate... that theKalhathra-bhaavam for any Jathaka... denotes ...

..ONLY WHAT HE / SHE WILL GET FROM HER SPOUSE... AND WHAT WILL BE HERPROPENSITY AND CHARACTER...

...and Not what she / he will get from the other side / consort.

This factor can be found out ONLY FROM HER KALHATHRA-BHAVAM OF HER

HOROSCOPE.

//There is no exception to Guru's occupation of any house.

Guru and sani take away/give something is more evident because both have very long dasa

periods. That is why their dasa leaves a lasting effect on a jathaka.//

Partly Acceptable... that the Guru-dhasa and Sani-dhasa leave a LASTING- EFFECT...even

after the end of such periods... when compared to other Dhasas..

But this point has nothing to do with our discussion on 7th or 9th Guru.

I am still firm on my stand that GURU AT 7 AND 9 IS THE BENEFIC only

.. and that ALL PLANETS INCLUDING GURU AND SANI.. GIVE SOMETHING AS DUE

...

...AS ALSO TAKE AWAY SOMETHING ELSE... conforming to the relevant Horoscope...

... which is NOT EXCLUSIVE to Guru and Sani only.

If I am wrong... kindly disprove my above Two statements... by means of some other

Horoscopes.

// Guru is Dharma kaaraka and I do not disput that fact.... Guru does not do justice. It is the

work of Sani , he is the judge and awarder of punishment. Guru is a priest.//

As far as I know... Guru is no doubt a Guru...Teacher...but he is MORE A JUDGE INREALITY... by which He teaches by Practical-Lessons....

.. similar to a Judge teaches to all other Culprits as well as to the Commonman.

... by his advance- action of passing the due Judgements to the deserving earlier cases...

Sani is the Implementor-Police... while Guru declares Judgement.


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//I took a prasna about this discussion and I think that this chart belongs to you. Please correct

me if I am wrong.//

I have already mentioned that it is of my friend Mr Vasu. Let us not overstretch on the matter of

personal identity... because it is too private.

For us the Subject-matter is important... and NOT THE PERSON BEHIND..

Glad.. you have seen Prasna... May I know about his future? .. and anymore?.

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Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:15 am Post subject:

Dear Sudhaama Sir,

If it makes you happy that 7th and 9th Guru is benefic, so be it.I do not want to over stretch thisarguement.

However there are two charts in front of me with Guru in 7th.One belongs to a lady who married a man who never considered her as own wife and had illicit

relations with a woman all his life. She was widowed at age of 54.

Her whole life was struggle.

Another chart belongs to an young man who was engaged to a girl who broke her engagement

with him. After a great search, he got married to just 10th pass girl. He is a double engineer

In my archives, I have many such charts but as you have taken a stand that 7th and 9th Guru is

good , I will not discuss this point further.

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Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 10:34 pm Post subject:

JANUARY BABY

Pretty/handsome. Loves to dress up. Easily bored. Fussy. Seldom shows emotions. Takes time

to recover when hurt. Sensitive. Down-to-Earth. Stubborn.

FEBRUARY BABY

Abstract thoughts. Loves reality and abstract. Intelligent and clever. Changing personality.

Attractive. sexiest out of everyone. Temperamental. Quiet, shy and humble. Honest and loyal.

Determined to reach goals. Loves freedom. Rebellious when restricted. Loves aggressiveness.Too sensitive and easily hurt. Gets angry really easily but does not show it. Dislikes

unnecessary things. Loves making friends but rarely shows it. Horny. Daring and stubborn.Ambitious. Realizing dreams and hopes. Sharp. Loves entertainment and leisure. Romantic onthe inside not outside. Superstitious and ludicrous. Spendthrift. Tries

to learn to show emotions.

MARCH BABY

Attractive personality. sexy. Affectionate Shy and reserved. Secretive. Naturally honest,

generous and sympathetic. Loves peace and serenity. Sensitive to others. Great kisser. Easily

angered. Trustworthy. Appreciative and returns kindness.Hardly shows emotions. Tends to bottle up feelings. Observant and assesses others.

APRIL BABY
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Suave and compromising. Funny and humorous. Stubborn. Very talkative. Calm and cool. Kind

and sympathetic. Concerned and detailed. Loyal. Does work well with others. Very confident.Sensitive. Positive Attitude. Thinking generous. Good

memory. Clever and knowledgeable. Loves to look for information. Able to cheer evryone upand/or make them laugh. Able to motivate oneself and others. Understanding. Fun to be around.Outgoing. Hyper. Bubbly personality. Secretive.

Boy/girl crazy. Loves sports, music, leisure and traveling. Systematic. hott but has brains.

MAY BABY

Stubborn and hard-hearted. Strong-willed and highly motivated. Sharp thoughts. Easilyangered. Attracts others and loves attention. Deep feelings. Beautiful physically and mentally.Firm Standpoint. Needs no motivation. Shy towards oppisite sex. Easily consoled. Systematic

(left brain). Loves to dream. Strong clairvoyance. Understanding. Sickness usually in the ear

and neck. Good imagination. Good physical. Weak breathing. Loves literature and the arts.Loves traveling. Dislike

being at home. Restless. Not having many children. Hardworking. High spirited.

JUNE BABY

You've got the best personality and are an absolute pleasure to be around. You love to make

new friends and be outgoing. You are a great flirt and more than likely have an a very attractivepartner. a wicked hottie. It is also more than likely that you have a massive record collection.

You have a great choice in films, and may one day

become a famous actor/actress yourself - heck, you've got the looks for it!!!

JULY BABY

Fun to be with. Secretive. Difficult to fathom and to be understood. Quiet unless excited ortensed. Takes pride in oneself. Has reputation. Easily consoled. Honest. Concerned about

people's feelings. Tactful. Friendly. Approachable. Emotional temperamental and

unpredictable. Moody and easily hurt. dislikes nonsensical and unnecessary things. Guidesothers physically and mentally. Sensitive and forms impressions carefully. Caring and loving.


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Treats others equally. Strong sense of

sympathy. Wary and sharp. Judges people through observations. Hardworking. No difficulties

in studying. Loves to be alone. Always broods about the past and the old friends. Waits for

friends. Never looks for friends. Not aggressive unless provoked. Loves to be loved. Easily hurtbut takes long to recover.

AUGUST BABY

outgoing personality. takes risks. feeds on attention. no self control. kind hearted. self

confident. loud and boisterous. VERY revengeful. easy to get along with and talk to. has an"every thing's peachy" attitude. likes talking and singing. loves music. daydreamer. easily

distracted. Hates not being trusted. BIG imagination. loves to be

loved. hates studying. in need of "that someone". longs for freedom. rebellious when withheldor restricted. lives by "no pain no gain" caring. always a suspect. playful. mysterious."charming" or "beautiful" to everyone. stubborn. curious. independent. strong willed. a fighter.

SEPTEMBER BABY

Active and dynamic. Decisive and haste but tends to regret. Attractive and affectionate to

oneself. Strong mentality. Loves attention. Diplomatic. Consoling, friendly and solves people'sproblems. Brave and fearless. Adventurous. Loving and caring. Suave and generous. Usually

you have many friends. Enjoys to make love. Emotional.

Stubborn. Hasty. Good memory. Moving, motivates oneself and others. Loves to travel andexplore. Sometimes sexy in a way that only their lover can understand.

OCTOBER BABY

Loves to chat. Loves those who love them. Loves to takes things at the center. Inner and

physical beauty. Lies but doesn't pretend. Gets angry often. Treats friends importantly. Brave

and fearless. Always making friends. Easily hurt but recovers easily. Daydreamer. Opinionated.Does not care to control emotions. Unpredictable.

Extremely smart, but definitely the hottest AND sexiest of them all.


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NOVEMBER BABY

Trustworthy and loyal. Very passionate and dangerous. Wild at times. Knows how to have fun.

Sexy and mysterious. Everyone is drawn towards your inner and outer beauty and independentpersonality. Playful, but secretive. Very emotionaland temperamental sometimes. Meets new people easily and very social in a group. Fearless

and independent. Can hold their own. Stands out in a crowd. Essentially very smart. Usually,

the greatest men are born in this month. If you ever begin a relationship with someone from thismonth, hold on to them because their one of a kind.

DECEMBER BABY

This straight-up means ur the most good-looking person possible... better than all of these othermonths! Loyal and generous. Patriotic. Competitive in everything. Active in games andinteractions. Impatient and hasty. Ambitious. Influential in

organizations. Fun to be with. Easy to talk to, though hard to understand. Thinks far with

vision, yet complicated to know. Easily influenced by kindness. Polite and soft-spoken. Havinglots of ideas. Sensitive. Active mind. Hesitating, tends to delay. Choosy and always wants the

best. Temperamental. Funny and humorous. Loves to

joke. Good debating skills. Has that someone always on his/her mind. Talkative. Daydreamer.Friendly. Knows how to make friends. Abiding. Able to show character. one guy/girl kind of

person. Loveable. Easily hurt. Prone to getting colds. loves music. pretty/handsome. Loves to

dress up. Easily bored. Fussy. Seldom shows

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Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:34 am Post subject:

Hindi madam...although its quite related to this thread their perception of astrological

knowledge is more a

work and effect of guru in dusthana

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