GOOD MORNING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. THIS IS MAY 1st, 2014. THIS IS THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION PORTION OF THE VOLUSIA COUNTY MEETING. MR. MARCY, ARE THERE ANY PARTICIPANTS THIS MORNING?

NO, SIR.

FOR THE RECORD, THERE ARE NO PUBLIC PARTICIPATION THIS MORNING. NOBODY WISHES TO SPEAK, SO AT THIS TIME, WE WILL GO BACK INTO RECESS UNTIL 0900 HOURS. RIGHT. IT'S THURSDAY, MAY 1st. GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY. THE COUNCIL WILL BEGIN IN SESSION. IF EVERYONE WOULD PLEASE TURN YOUR CELL PHONES OFF TO SILENCE, VIBRATE OR WHATEVER YOU'VE GOT TO DO TO MAKE IT QUIET. GO AHEAD AND FIND YOUR SEATS AND WE'LL BEGIN IN ABOUT TWO MINUTES.

EVERYONE WOULD PLEASE HAVE YOUR SEATS. COUNCIL COULD PLEASE COME TO THE DAIS AND PLEASE TURN YOUR ELECTRONICS OFF SO YOU DON'T DISTURB PRESENTATIONS THIS MORNING. GOOD MORNING, TODAY IS MAY 1st, 2014. IT'S THREE MINUTES AFTER 9:00 IN THE MORNING. MAY WE HAVE A ROLE CALL PLEASE.

MR. PATTERSON.

HERE.

MR. WAGNER.

HERE.

MISS CUSACK.

HERE.

MR. DANIELS. HE'S IN THE BACK. MISS DENYS.

HERE.

MISS DOHERTY.

SHE'S HERE.

MR. DAVIS.

YES.

PRESENT.

OKAY, WE'RE ALL PRESENT. THIS MORNING'S PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE LED BY MR. WILLIAM BRADLEY JR. MR. BRADLEY, PLEASE COME FORTH AND EVERYONE PLEASE RISE.

LET US PRAY. WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR GOODNESS, YOUR MERCY, GRACE AND KINDNESS LORDE AND DIVINE PROVIDENCE. THOUGH WE PROBES TOW BLESSINGS

ON OUR COUNCIL, BLESS THEM, STRENGTHEN THEM LORD, UPHOLD THEM AND HELP THEM, OH LORD AND WE PRAY GOD FOR THEIR HEALTH AND THEIR STRENGTH AND WE PRAY ALSO LORD FOR THIS MEETING TODAY, LORD, THAT YOU BLESS THE PARTICIPANTS, LORD, AND THINGS WILL BE DONE DECENTLY AND IN ORDER. LORD, WE PRAY YOU CONTINUE TO KEEP YOUR HAND UPON OUR COUNTY COUNCIL, OUR COUNTY, OUR COMMUNITY AND LORD, JUST CONTINUE, LORD, BLESS US WITH YOUR DIVINE FAVOR, HEALING, PROSPERITY AND PROTECTION AND FATHER, I PRAY YOU GO BEYOND FOR THE THINGS HAVE NOT SAID, LORD, THAT YOU KNOW THE COUNTY COUNCIL NEED, LORD. OUR CITIES NEED, LORD, OUR COUNTRY NEED, LORD. JUST BLESS US AND HELP US AS WE STAND IN NEED. ONCE AGAIN, WE THANK YOU, WE BLESS YOU, WE GLORIFY YOUR NAME. IN JESUS NAME WE PRAY, AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, PLEASE HAVE A SEAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. GOOD MORNING. ALL RIGHT. CONTINUING ON. EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED LATE PROCLAMATION REQUESTS. WE HAVE THREE WITH TRAVEL AND TOURISM WEEK AND RELAY OF LIFE FOR THE ORANGE CITY DAY. I THINK THOSE ARE IN THE RECORD ALREADY BUT ITEM ONE, OF COURSE, IS OUR PROCLAMATIONS THAT WE DO DO OUTSIDE. WITH THAT IN MIND, IS THERE ANY CONSENT ITEMS THAT I'M ALSO CONSIDERING, ITEM ONE IS PART OF THE CONSENT, IN CASE YOU WANT TO POLL ONE AND WE WILL START OFF WITH POLLING WITH MR. PATTERSON.

MR. WAGNER. MISS CUSACK.

I HAVE NONE.

MR. DANIELS? OKAY, MISS DENYS?

NOTHING.

MISS NORTHEY. OKAY, AND I WONDER IF MR. DANIELS IS BACK THERE STILL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THEN, WE WILL ALSO, WHILE WE'RE DOING THIS, I THINK IT WOULD BE REALLY COOL IF WE TOOK OUR PROCLAMATIONS AND JUST MADE THEM PART OF THE CONSENT FROM NOW ON, BECAUSE WE ALL SEE THEM BEFORE WE GET HERE, SO IF YOU WANTED TO POLL ONE, WE COULD USE IT AS A POLL CONSENT ITEM. THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP GOING OVER THE PROCLAMATIONS EVERY MONTH OR EVERY WEEK. WITH ALL OF THOSE THINGS CONSIDERED, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FROM MISS DENYS. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION.

I'M SORRY, WHO WAS THE SECOND, PLEASE?

MISS DENYS.

THANK YOU.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. 6-0. MR. DANIELS STILL IN THE BACK. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER TWO. PRESENTATION OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DATA FROM THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2014. MR. RICK CARL, YOU'RE HERE AS ALWAYS, SIR.

GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIR. MEMBERS OF CHAIR. I'M NOT RICK CARL. ROBB EARHART, ECONOMIC MANAGER. PLEASURE TO BE WITH YOU. THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2014. MY SLIDE, YOU MAY RECALL IN MY PRESENTATION IN FEBRUARY, A TENURE HISTORY OR TREND OF ANNUAL AVERAGE WAGES FOR VOLUSIA COUNTY SO THIS IS A FOLLOW-UP SLIDE TO TAKE THAT AND BREAK IT DOWN BY MAJOR OCCUPATIONAL GROUP. THE SOURCES ARE DIFFERENT, SO THE NUMBERS DON'T MATCH UP EXACTLY BUT THIS GIVES YOU A VERY GOOD SENSE BY MAJOR OCCUPATIONAL GROUP SHOWN ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE AND THE BAR CHARTS AND THE NUMBERS THEMSELVES, JUST EXACTLY HOW THE OCCUPATIONS BREAK OUT WITHIN THE COUNTY, WITH A HIGH OF OVER 96,000 FOR MANAGEMENT POSITIONS, DOWN TO SOMETHING UNDER 20,000 IN THE FARMING, FISHING, AND FORESTRY INDUSTRY. LABOR STATISTICS, WE HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS. THESE ARE AVERAGING FOR THE FIRST QUARTER. 6.4% UNEMPLOYMENT RATE FOR FIRST QUARTER OF 2014. GOOD NEWS BECAUSE THAT'S DOWN FROM 8.1% A YEAR AGO. ADDITIONALLY, THE SIZE OF THE LABOR FORCE JUST UNDER 254,000 IN THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2014, GOOD NEWS BECAUSE THAT'S UP ALMOST 2% FROM A YEAR AGO AND WE ALWAYS LIKE TO STAY FOCUSED ON THE NUMBER OF UNEMPLOYED WHICH IS JUST OVER 16,000. ALMOST 16,200. THAT'S GREAT NEWS, DOWN ALMOST 20% FROM A YEAR AGO. LOOKING AT EMPLOYMENT TRENDS BY MAJOR INDUSTRY. WE'VE TWEAKED THE FORMAT OF THIS SLIDE JUST SLIGHTLY TO TRY TO MAKE THE INFORMATION MORE VISUALLY APPEALING. WE STILL SHOW THE INDUSTRIES ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE REPRESENT THE NUMBERS TO YOU FOR THIS QUARTER AS WELL AS BARS SHOWING THEIR RELATIVE STRENGTH AND THEN THERE'S A RED OR GREEN INDICATOR AT THE END OF THE BAR THAT DENOTES INCREASES OR DECREASES OVER THE SAME TIME PERIOD A YEAR AGO WITH THE ACTUAL DIFFERENCES IN THE COLUMN ON THE RIGHT. THE DIFFERENCE IS TOTAL NONAGRICULTURAL EMPLOYMENT FOR FIRST QUARTER COMPARE TODAY A YEAR AGO, IS UP. PARTICULARLY IN LEISURE AND HOSPITALITY AND THE NUMBER IS 1100 AND JUST OVER 1500 RESPECTIVELY THERE AND ALSO MANUFACTURING AND CONSTRUCTION. 600 AND 500 RESPECTIVELY. WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND TOO MUCH TIME ON THE LABOR FORCE SLIDES. THERE'S A LOT OF NUMBERS HERE. THIS IS A PRETTY TRADITIONAL SLIDE, BUT JUST AS A REMINDER, WE HAVE FIRST QUARTER AVERAGE OR NUMBERS ACROSS THE TOP AND FOR 2014 IN THE SAME QUARTER A YEAR AGO ACROSS THE BOTTOM FOR THE MSA AND FOR EACH OF THE FIVE CITIES THAT HAVE POPULATIONS OVER 2500. SO MOVING INTO THE PERMIT DATA ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE, THIS IS GREAT NEWS. YOU CAN SEE THAT FOR THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2014, THE TOTAL OF RESIDENTIAL NEW CONSTRUCTION PERMITS IS OVER $100 MILLION. SO WE NOW HAVE THREE OF THE LAST FOUR QUARTERS WITH THAT TOTAL OF OVER $100 MILLION. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME SINCE 2007 THAT THE FIRST QUARTER TOTAL WAS OVER $100 MILLION AND WE'VE ADDED SOME NUMBERS HERE TO DEMONSTRATE YEAR OVER YEAR OF GROWTH IN TOTALS FROM 14 OVER 13 IN THE FIRST QUARTER. 51%. YOU MAY RECALL THAT FOR 13 OVER 12, IT WAS 71%. THIS IS A GREAT STORY. I WOULD ALSO NOTE WHEN WE GET INTO THE DATA HERE, WHEN YOU JUST DIVIDE THE NUMBER OF THE DOLLAR VALUE BY THE NUMBER OF PERMITS, THE AVERAGE PRICE PER PERMIT FOR FIRST QUARTER 2014 TO 2013 UP 3.5%. WE CALL OUT DE LAND HERE AS THE LEADER IN NUMBER OF PERMITS. 109 PERMITS VALUED OVER $36 MILLION. MOVING INTO COMMERCIAL PERMIT DATA. I'M NOT SURE WHAT'S BETTER THAN GREAT. WHATEVER THAT WORD IS FOR FIRST QUARTER OF 2014, WE'RE OFF THE CHARTS AGAIN. SIMILAR TO WHAT WE EXPERIENCED IN THE THIRD QUARTER LAST YEAR. NO SURPRISES. THIS IS DUE TO A SINGLE PERMIT FOR THE DAYTONA RISING PROJECT VALUED AT $152 MILLION. EQUALLY NOTABLE IF YOU TAKE THAT SINGLE PERMIT AND SET IT TO THE SIDE, WE HAVE ALMOST $65 MILLION IN NEW CONSTRUCTION PERMIT FOR THE FIRST QUARTER FOR OTHER PROJECTS. THAT

COMPARES FAVORABLELY TO THE FIRST QUARTER, CERTAINLY OF LAST YEAR. ALMOST 150% INCREASE AND IT WAS FIRST QUARTER OF 2008 SINCE WE'VE SEEN THIS ACTIVITY OF NEW CONSTRUCTION PERMITS. LOOKING AT THE DATA CALLING OUT A COUPLE OF SPECIFIC PROJECTS IN UNINCORPORATED SOUTH OF THE BEACH SIDE, WE HAVE TWO PERMITS TOTAL OF $15 MILLION FOR THE OCEAN WALK CONDO AND THE CITY OF, PARDON ME, THE CITY OF DELTONA, WE HAVE ONE PERMIT OVER $24 MILLION FOR THEIR NEW SEWER AND WATER TREATMENT FACILITY. MOVING INTO RESIDENTIAL AND FORECLOSURES, THIS CONTINUES TO BE A COMPELLING STORY, I THINK, IN OUR ECONOMY. IT WAS CERTAINLY A DRAG ON OUR ECONOMY FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. A BIT OF A HEAD WIND BUT YOU CAN SEE THE NEW FILING OF FORECLOSURES CONTINUE TO DECREASE AND THE SALE OF FORECLOSURES CONTINUES TO INCREASE. IN FACT, WE'VE SEEN A VERY NICE JUMP IN FIRST QUARTER '14 AS COMPARED TO THE LAST QUARTER AS WELL AS COMPARED TO THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2013. AND FINALLY, JUST SHARING WITH YOU, VOLUSIA COUNTY, NEW BUSINESS TAX RECEIPTS. WE HAD A REQUEST TO DEMONSTRATE WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE. THANK YOU TO RHONDA FOR PULLING THIS DATA TOGETHER, SHOWING JANUARY 2009 TO PRESENT DAY. THE DATA IS A BIT DYNAMIC, BUT THE GENERAL TREND IS DOWNWARD. YOU MAY ASK YOURSELF, WHY IS THAT? WE DO A LOT OF THINGS TO SUPPORT ENTREPRENEURS IN OUR COMMUNITY. BUT CANDIDLY, THAT TRACKS WITH AND COINCIDES WITH A U.S. TREND AS REPORTED BY THE KAUFMAN FOUNDATION, PARTICULARLY IN THIS AREA AND IT'S TYPICAL IN A RECESSION AS FAR AS NEW BUSINESS PERMITS. I WOULD END WITH INFORMATION THAT JUST CAME OUT YESTERDAY. IT WAS AN ADVANCE ESTIMATE FROM THE BUREAU OF ECONOMIC ANALYSIS. RIYAL GDP FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE 2000 RECORDED AT 0.1% COMPARED TO 2.6% IN THE FOURTH QUARTER OF 2013. CLOSER TO HOME, HOWEVER, THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA, EXCUSE ME, BUREAU OF ECONOMIC BUSINESS RESEARCH IS REPORTING THAT CONSUMER CONFIDENCE IS STILL IN THE 79 TO 80 RANGE. THAT'S DOWN ONE POINT FROM MARCH WHEN THEIR DIRECTOR WAS QUOTED AS SAYING THAT THAT NUMBER, 81 CONSUMER CONFIDENCE INDEX AT 81, WAS AS HIGH AS WE'VE ACHIEVED SINCE BEFORE THE RECESSION BEGAN IN DECEMBER OF 2007. TO ME, THAT'S A POSITIVE NOTE. THAT COMPLETES MY REPORT.

ANY COMMENTS FROM COUNCIL? OKAY, NO. GREAT NEWS. AND WE WILL SEE YOU TOMORROW MORNING OVER AT DAYTONA BEACH INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT, CORRECT?

YES, WE WILL. WE HAVE SANDY BURKE BISHOP, THE DIRECTOR OF THE BUILDING ASSOCIATION AS OUR GUEST SPEAKER TO HELP US UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE NUANCES TAKING PLACE IN RESIDENTIAL HOME CONSTRUCTION.

I WILL SEE YOU THERE TOMORROW MORNING, SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER THREE. REVISED COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT COOPERATION AGREEMENT. MR. DAVE BYRON, ARE YOU PRESENT?

MORNING, MR. CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE COUNTY COUNCIL. I'M DAVE BYRON, DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT OATH COMMUNITY SERVICES. WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY IS A NEW THREE YEAR COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT FOR THE RECEIPT OF THE CDBCG FUNDS. THE COUNTY MANAGER BRIEFED YOU, SO I WON'T GO INTO TOO MUCH DETAIL BUT WE COMBINED THE POPULATIONS WITH THE COUNTY AND 11 CITIES IN VOLUSIA COUNTY FOR THE POPULATION THRESHOLD SET TO BE DESIGNATED AS AN URBAN COUNTY TO RECEIVE THESE FUNDS. WE MUST SUBMIT A NEW COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT VERY QUICKLY BY THIS SUMMER. SO IF YOU APPROVE THIS TODAY, WE'LL WORK WITH THE 11 CITIES TO GET THEIR SIGNATURES TO MEET THIS SUBMITTAL. THIS HAS BEEN IN AGREEMENT FOR MANY

YEARS SO WITH THAT, UNLESS THERE ARE QUESTIONS, WE'D LIKE TO SEEK YOUR APPROVAL OF A NEW THREE YEAR AGREEMENT TO RECEIVE THESE FUNDS.

APPROVAL, MR. CHAIR.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THIS IS A FORMULA WE'VE USED FOR A LONG TIME. AS DAVE SAID WE NEED TO GET IT IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT FUNDING CONTINUES. WE HAD ONE CITY IN THE GROUP THAT DAVE IS TALKING ABOUT IN THIS COALITION THAT HAD SOME CONCERNS WHICH WAS SOUTH DAYTONA ABOUT HOW THE FORMULAS APPLY. IT'S SORT OF LIKE GAS TAX ALLOCATION, IT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH HOW PEOPLE SPLIT THE SAME PIE AMONG THEMSELVES. IF WE AS A GROUP THINK IT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED, WE CAN CHANGE THIS FORMULA IN THE FUTURE. WE BELIEVE THEIR CONCERNS MAY BE SHARED BY THEM SO WE WANT TO MOVE AHEAD WITH THE FORMULA. WE WANT TO TAKE IT SERIOUS AND SEE IF THEY WANT TO ENGAGE WITH THE REST OF THE PARTNERS IN THE COMMUNITY TO SEE IF THERE NEEDS TO BE A CHANGE IN HOW THE ALLOCATION FORMULA IS ALLOCATED. IF THAT HAPPENS AND THERE'S A CONSENSUS, WE'LL COME FORWARD WITH A CHANGE. BUT AS YOU CAN TELL, I'M LESS THAN OPTIMISTIC IN THE CHANGES GIVEN OUR HISTORY ON OUR COOPERATE ARRANGEMENTS WHERE WE SHARE THE PIE.

ANY ON THE FLOOR? A SECOND FROM MR. PATTERSON AND MISS DENYS. SIGNIFY BY AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. SO KERRY. MISS BRUNO IS GOING TO DO A PRESENTATION ON NUMBER FOUR HERE. YES, SIR?

AS MARY COMES UP TO THE MICROPHONE, YOU ASKED AND I'LL SAY D.S.E. WAS SORT OF A COMBINATION OF THEM GRACIOUSLY OFFERING AND VOLUNTEERING TO ASSIST AND HAVE A MEETING TO BRING THE PARTIES TOGETHER ON THE APPRENTICE PROGRAM THAT, IF THEY PLAN TO DO. MARY SAID MAY 28th. AND PRIOR TO THAT, I HAPPEN TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE AT D.S.E. BOARD WHERE MARY GAVE A PRESENTATION ON REALLY AN UPDATE OF ALL OF THEIR PRESS PROGRAM BUT ALL OF THEIR CERTIFICATE PROGRAMS AND THE WHOLE TRAINING FUNCTION. I WAS UNIMPRESSED BY THAT PRESENTATION, INCLUDING REALIZING HOW LITTLE I UNDERSTOOD ABOUT THE HARD WORK THEY PUT ON TO DO THESE THINGS OUTSIDE OF THEIR REGULAR DEGREE PROGRAMS. IT WAS PROBABLY IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COUNCIL TO GET AN OVERVIEW AND I DON'T THINK I'M GOING TO BORE THE COUNCIL BECAUSE THESE ISSUES, WE DON'T DEAL WITH EVERY DAY. CLEARLY MARY DOES, SHE'S AN EXPERT AT THIS BUT AS SHE ENTERS INTO THE DISCUSSION AND HOST THIS MEETING ON APPRENTICESHIPS, THIS INFORMATION WOULD BE VERY VALUABLE TO THE COUNCIL IN TERMS OF HOW YOU MAY SEE GOING FORWARD BECAUSE WHAT I HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR FROM THE COUNCIL IS THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN ALL FORMS OF UPGRADING THE QUALITY OF THE WORKFORCE HERE AND WHATEVER THINGS WE DO TO MAKE PEOPLE BETTER QUALIFIED AND THIS GOES WELL BEYOND THE TWO PROGRAMS THEY HAVE APPRENTICE PROGRAMS, WHICH ARE ALL THE OTHER TRADES. I THOUGHT AND SHE AGREED SHE'D COME IN TODAY AND SO THIS IS REALLY FOR JUST AN EDUCATION AND AN UPDATE FOR ALL OF US AND IT MAY HELP IN YOUR DECISIONS AND YOUR DISCUSSIONS ON THE APPRENTICE PROGRAM. IF YOU REALLY SEE AND I THINK SHE CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE IN THE COMMUNITY WITH HOW WE TRAIN YOUNG PEOPLE. WITH THAT, MARY, IF YOU WOULD?

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. COUNCIL MEMBERS, I'M NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT CHILDREN AND FAMILIES TODAY. 50,000, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT BUT LIFE, I HAVE 40 PLUS YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN WHAT YOU MIGHT TERM

VOCATIONAL EDUCATION, CAREER AND TECHNICAL EDUCATION OR WORKFORCE EDUCATION. DR. EATON WAS GOING TO BE HERE. I DIDN'T SEE A TEXT OR ANYTHING, SO STILL MAY COME IN AS WE'RE MOVING THROUGH THIS. YOU DID GET A HANDOUT FROM ME AND IT WILL LOOK LIKE THIS AND I AM SHOWING YOU THIS BECAUSE VERY SMALL PRINT BOTH SIDES, WHAT YOU SEE IS ALL OF THE DIFFERENT COURSES AND PROGRAMS OFFERED AT DAYTONA STATE COLLEGE AND I THINK VERY FEW PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF THE MAGNITUDE OF THE TYPES OF PROGRAMS. THE PROGRAMS I'M GOING TO SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT TODAY ARE THE ONES ON THE BACKSIDE, THE FRONT ARE PRIMARILY BACHELOR'S DEGREES AND A.A. DEGREES. I WANT YOU TO BE AWARE OF HOW MUCH WE REALLY OFFER. I'LL TALK ABOUT OUR WORKFORCE PROGRAMS. AND THE FIRST ONE IS OUR A.S. DEGREES. THEY'RE SIMILAR TO AN A.A. DEGREE. THEY TYPICALLY TAKE SOMEONE TWO YEARS TO COMPLETE AND MANY OF THEM, DEPENDING ON WHAT FOUR YEAR DEGREE YOU GO INTO AFTER THAT ARE TRANSFERABLE TO THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM, POSSIBLY STUDENTS MIGHT HAVE TO TAKE A COUPLE MORE GENERAL EAST SIDE BUT WITH EDS. THE TOP TO HAVE THE TWO YEAR PROGRAM AT THE BACKSIDE OF THE PAGE, THESE ARE MOSTLY TECHNICAL AND INDUSTRIAL, LOTS OF COMPUTERS. BUSINESS PROGRAMS, ACCOUNTING, AND THE LIKE. LEGAL ASSISTING. MUSIC AND ENTERTAINMENT AND ARTS IS NEW TO US AND WE'RE EXPANDING THAT WITH THE NEWS JOURNAL CENTER AND THE PROGRAMS WE OFFER THERE. A NEW MULTIMEDIA TECHNOLOGY DEGREE THAT JUST OPENED IN THIS FALL. WE'VE ADDED MORE THAN 10 PROGRAMS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH WHAT'S GOING ON. IN AGRICULTURE AND ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCES, WE HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL TECHNOLOGY PROGRAM, PRIMARILY MARINE BUT IT'S EXPANDING AND WE HAVE OUR HEALTH CAREERS AND OUR PUBLIC SERVICE INCLUDING OUR POLICE, FIREFIGHTERS, AND THE LIKE THAT GO IN THAT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT FROM THAT PROGRAM AT LAST YEAR'S GRADUATION CEREMONY IN MAY, WE HAD 766 STUDENTS WALK ACROSS THE STAGE WITH AN A.S. DEGREE AND THAT'S A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT NUMBER. IT GOES ALONG PERFECTLY WITH THE PRESENTATION FROM ROB THAT THE KINDS OF JOBS THAT ARE OUT THERE AND THE GROWTH INDUSTRIES WE'RE GOING THROUGH. THE SECOND TYPE THAT WE HAVE ARE CALLED COLLEGE CREDIT CERTIFICATES AND THESE ARE WHAT WE CALL STACKABLE CERTIFICATES. YOU CAN TAKE ONE SEMESTER OR TWO SEMESTERS, BE EMPLOYABLE BUT YOU CAN ADD A THIRD OR FOURTH CERTIFICATE AND WORK YOUR WAY UP TO AN A.S. DEGREE. WE CALL THEM CAREER PATHWAY, THEY CAN STOP AT ANY TIME, GET A JOB, REALIZE THEY NEED MORE EDUCATION, GET ANOTHER CERTIFICATE AND THEN BUILD UP TO THEIR A.S. DEGREE. AND IN MANY CASES, INTO A BACHELOR'S DEGREE AFTER THAT. THE THIRD TYPE ARE THE VOCATIONAL CERTIFICATES. THIS IS MY PRIMARY AREA OF RESPONSIBILITY AT THE COLLEGE. VERY DIFFERENT. ONE YEAR CERTIFICATES ARE PRIMARILY TAKING A LITTLE BIT LONGER DEPENDING ON THE STUDENT AND I'M LIFTING THESE FOR YOU BECAUSE I THINK A LOT OF THE CONVERSATION THAT YOU'VE BEEN HAVING AROUND APPRENTICESHIP AND WORKFORCE ISSUES ARE IN THESE PARTICULAR AREAS. SO WE DO HAVE AUTOMOTIVE TECHNOLOGY, WE HAVE THE TECHNICIAN, WE HAVE THE AUTOBODY. WE HAVE A HIGH PERFORMANCE ENGINE AND THERE FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO, YOU KNOW, BUILD THEIR OWN ENGINES AND DO THAT TYPE OF THING BECAUSE TODAY, A TECHNICIAN, WHEN SOMETHING GOES WRONG, UNLESS T A MINOR THING, THEY FIX IT AND PUT A NEW ONE IN. A LOT OF OUR AUTOMOTIVE IS TECHNICAL AND WE HAVE COSMETOLOGY AND BARBERING PROGRAM THIS YEAR. IT SEEMS TO BE A HOT TOPIC RIGHT NOW AND GRADUATE WITH 17 STUDENTS IN BARBERING. CAN'T DO MUCH FOR YOU, JASON, SORRY BUT THEY COULD. IT'S IN NEW SMYRNA.

I COULD TRAIN TO BE THE BASHER.

BARBER.

ABSOLUTELY. OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND CORRECTIONS, A RAPIDLY GROWING PROGRAM. WE TRAIN THOSE STUDENTS AND JUST MOVED THEM OUT TO THE ATC. THEY'RE DOING GREAT STUFF OUT THERE AND THEN IN OUR ADDING CERTIFICATES TO OUR HOSPITALITY PROGRAM, WE HAVE A BAKING AND PASTRY SPECIALIZATION CERTIFICATE AND JUST APPROVED SOME ADDITIONAL CERTIFICATES IN THAT AREA THAT WILL BE THOSE STACKABLE TYPE OF THINGS TO GET PEOPLE UP TO SPEED, BECOME CHEFS IN THE HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY. WHICH IS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT ROB JUST HIGHLIGHTED FOR YOU. SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE OTHER ONES. FIREFIGHTERS, MACHINING, MANUFACTURING WAS ONE OF YOUR BIG AREAS. WE'RE TRYING TO DO A LOT WITH OUR MACHINING PROGRAM. WE ARE EXPANDING, WE ARE PROBABLY, OF ALL THE COLLEGES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, ONLY TWO OF US HAVE FULL CNC COMPUTER NUMERICAL CONTROL MACHINES AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE NATIONAL METAL WORKING INSTITUTE, THE EXPERTS IN CNC CONTROLLERS ONLY TRAIN AT EITHER OUR INSTITUTION OR AT WEST PALM BEACH BECAUSE OF THE TYPE OF FACILITY WE HAVE. AND I WOULD LOVE TO SHOW ANY OF YOU THAT BECAUSE I HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AT THE A.T.C. SOME OF YOU KNOW ME FROM THE SECONDARY SYSTEM. WE HAVE A CUSTOMER SERVICE PROGRAM. IT'S A VERY SHORT-TERM CERTIFICATE. WE USE THAT PRIMARILY WITH OUR ADULT ED STUDENTS SO THAT THEY CAN GET A G.E.D. OR A HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA AND HOPEFULLY GET THIS CUSTOMER SERVICE. IT'S MORE ABOUT HELPING THEM TO BE EMPLOYABLE AND TO KNOW HOW TO SPEAK AND DO THOSE KIND OF THEY THINKS THAN HAVING AN EMPLOYABLE SKILL. IT'S ONLY 300 HOURS FORKER FOR THOSE STUDENTS. MEDICAL NURSING, SURGICAL TECHNOLOGY AND ALSO, WELDING TECHNOLOGY PROGRAM WHICH IS ANOTHER BIG PROGRAM BASED SKILL FOR ELECTRICIANS, PLUMBERS, THOMPSON PUMP. A LOT OF PEOPLE USE WELDING MANUFACTURING. IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT SKILL, SO WE HAVE THAT. WE OFFER IN MANY OF THESE PROGRAMS NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED INDUSTRY CERTIFICATIONS AND OUR PROGRAMS ARE CREDITED BY NATIONAL BODIES. SO PEOPLE HAVE COME IN AND INSPECTED OUR PROGRAMS TO A GREAT DEGREE, PARTICULARLY IN OUR WELDING. WE GET MACHINING AND AUTOMOTIVE AND AIR-CONDITIONING. ALL OF THOSE ARE NOW NATIONALLY CERTIFIED AND STUDENTS CAN SIT FOR NATIONAL INDUSTRY CERTIFICATES AND GET THOSE. THAT MEANS THEY CAN TAKE THAT CERTIFICATE AND GO ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY AND SAY THEY HAVE THOSE SKILLS. FROM THOSE PROGRAMS, WE GRADUATED 760 STUDENTS LAST YEAR AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE ABLE TO GRADUATE SOME MORE. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT APPRENTICESHIP. THERE'S A LOT OF MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT APPRENTICESHIP. APPRENTICESHIPS HAVE BEEN AROUND FOREVER. THE PRESIDENT HAS BEEN SPEAKING A LOT ABOUT APPRENTICESHIPS. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF INFORMATION ABOUT THAT AND BASICALLY, AN APPRENTICESHIP IS BUILT AROUND A GROUP OF EMPLOYERS WHO COME TOGETHER AND THEY ACTUALLY OPERATE THE APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM. THE COLLEGE PROVIDES THE SPACE AND PAY THE INSTRUCTORS FOR THE PROGRAMS AND DOES THAT KIND OF THING. APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS ARE PRIMARILY DONE BY THE COLUMN PLUMBERS, ELECTRICIANS, WHOEVER IT IS. IT'S RUN BY THEM. I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING AND I HIGHLIGHTED THIS FOR YOU IS THAT WHEN THEY WORK AT THE COLLEGE, WHEN THEY'RE A PART OF OUR COLLEGE, THE COLLEGE DOES NOT GET ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THEM. THE APPRENTICES PAY NO TUITION AND NO LAB FEES OR MATRICULATION. OTHER STUDENTS PAY THAT. WHEN WE TAKE ON AN APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM, THE ONLY DOLLARS WE GET TO SUPPORT THE PROGRAM IS THE DOLLARS THROUGH THE STATE AND OUR REGULAR OPERATIONS, WHICH IS

RIGHT NOW AT ABOUT 48% OF THE COST OF EDUCATING THOSE APPRENTICES. SO IT'S A DIFFICULT THING FOR THE COLLEGE BECAUSE WE ARE ALWAYS PRETTY MUCH AT A LOSS IN THOSE PROGRAMS BUT IMPORTANT FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND DAYTONA STATE HAS SUPPORTED THEM THROUGH THE YEARS. THE LENGTH OF THE PROGRAM, BELIEVE IT OR NOT TO GET THROUGH AN APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM, THE SHORTEST IS OUR CHILD CARE, ONLY TWO YEARS, BUT BOTH OUR ELECTRICAL IS FIVE YEARS IN LENGTH. STUDENTS WORK THROUGH A WAGE. THEY START AT A LOWER WAGE AND AS THEY MOVE UP THROUGH THE APPRENTICESHIP, THEY ARE GUARANTEED AN INCREASE IN THEIR WAGES UNTIL THEY BECOME JOURNEY MEN AND GRADUATE AS A JOURNEYMAN. WE LOVE THE APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM BUT THEY'RE EXPENSIVE TO OPERATE. I GIVE YOU THE GRADUATES FROM THAT PROGRAM AS WELL THE SAME I GAVE YOU THE GRADUATES FROM THE OTHER PROGRAMS. WE HAVE OUR EARLY CHILDHOOD WHICH PREPARES OUR CHILD CARE WORKERS TO GET A CDA, A CHILD DEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATION TO WORK, EVERY DAY CARE CENTER ONE OR TWO PEOPLE CDA QUALIFIED AND THEN THE ELECTRIC APPRENTICESHIP, A UNION AND NONUNION APPRENTICESHIP. GRADUATED ONLY 13 LAST YEAR AND ELECTRICAL GRADUATED FIVE. AND THEN OUR PLUMBING WHICH IS ASKING, WE HAD SUNSET THE PLUMBING PROGRAM FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS, PRIMARILY BECAUSE THEIR GRADUATION RATE WAS SO LOW. BUT THEY HAVE ASKED TO COME BACK. BUT THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF ASKING TO COME BACK TO DAYTONA STATE COLLEGE AND THAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THE FALL AND THEY'D BE BACK IN JANUARY IF THE BOARD DECIDES THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. I'M WORKING WITH THEM RIGHT NOW, TO KIND OF GET THAT DONE. THE OTHER THING I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IS THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE FIELDS NEED TO GET TRAINING AND SO WE OFFER AS WELL A LOT OF WHAT WE CALL CONTINUING WORKFORCE EDUCATION. SOME OF IT IS REQUIRED LIKE REAL ESTATE AND INSURANCE. THOSE KIND OF THINGS WHICH WE DO PROFESSIONAL CERTIFICATIONS, BUT WE ALSO, OUR CENTER FOR BUSINESS AND INDUSTRY, WE DO OVER 1,000 PEOPLE A YEAR. WE WORK INDIVIDUALLY WITH BUSINESSES, WE DEVELOP PROGRAMS FOR THEM, FOR A SPECIFIC COMPANY OR WE DO THINGS LIKE SOUP VISE RETAINING, COMPUTER TRAINING FOR A MULTITUDE OF COMPANIES. THESE ARE ALL NONCREDIT AND PEOPLE PAY. WE HAVE TO MAKE REVENUE IN THOSE PROGRAMS. THE NEXT ONE IS THE INSTITUTE FOR HEALTH. WE HAVE PROBABLY ONE OF THE ONLY, I THINK THERE'S ONLY TWO OTHERS IN THE STATE RIGHT NOW. WE CALL IT A NURSE REFRESHER PROGRAM. THE NURSE THAT'S BEEN OUT FOR A WHILE, IF YOU HAVE NOT BEEN A NURSE FOR A WHILE, THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED. THE WAY YOU REPORT, EVERYTHING ABOUT IT. IT'S BECOME ELECTRONIC. SO WE HAVE A SPECIAL PROGRAM WHERE WE INDIVIDUALLY MEET WITH PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN OUT FOR A WHILE. WE SIT DOWN AND SAY, WHAT'S YOUR GOAL? DO YOU WANT TO BE AN EMERGENCY ROOM NURSE, DO YOU WANT TO WORK IN A NURSING HOME AND WE BUILD LIKE AN I.E.P. FOR SCHOOL STUDENTS. NONCREDIT REFRESHER FOR THEM, SO THEY CAN DO THAT AND AT THE END OF THAT, WE GIVE THEM WHAT WE CALL A PERCEPTIVE PER PERCEPTOR. 45 HOURS OF TRAINING JUST TO START THE JOB. WE PROVIDE THAT FOR 13 DIFFERENT COUNTIES AND POLICE AND CORRECTIONS TRAINING. OUR POLICE OFFICERS GET IN, THEY WANT TO MOVE UP IN RANK AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT, THEY HAVE TO GET CERTAIN KINDS OF TRAINING. SO WE PROVIDE THAT FOR THEM AT THE A.T.C. AND OUR LAST IS OUR SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT CENTER WHERE WE COUNSEL PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BECOME ENTREPRENEURS AND HELP THEM DEVELOP BUSINESS PLANS, RESEARCH ON THEIR MARKET, THEIR LOCATION. ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANT. I HAVE THREE FABULOUS PEOPLE IN THAT DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE A LAWYER, WE HAVE A BANKER, AND WE HAVE A FORMER BUSINESS OWNER THAT ALL PROVIDE GREAT HELP

TO OUR PEOPLE. WE WORK WITH SCORE, WE WORK WITH VOLUSIA COUNTY. WE PROVIDE THAT CEO EXCHANGE WITH MONEY FROM YOU GUYS. AND THEN WE ALSO ARE PARTNERS BECAUSE MANUFACTURING, ADVANCED MANUFACTURING IS REALLY PROBABLY ONE OF OUR BIGGEST GOALS. PEOPLE HAVE A LOT OF NEEDS IN THAT AREA. WE PARTNER WITH 12 OTHER COLLEGES AND WE ARE DOING NONCREDIT COMPUTER NUMERICAL CONTROL TRAINING AND WELDING TRAINING. AUTO CAD TRAINING. ALL OF THE THINGS THE FOLKS HAVE IDENTIFIED THAT THEY NEED. WE JUST FINISHED OUR THIRD GROUP AND THERE'S BEEN 52 PARTICIPANTS SO FAR. 27 HAVE EARNED NATIONAL INDUSTRY CERTIFICATIONS WHICH RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THE LEGISLATURE WANTS THOSE CERTS, WE CAN EARN A THOUSAND BUCK A PIECE. WE LIKE THAT AND THOSE ARE IN RIGHT NOW, CERTIFIED PRODUCTION TECHNOLOGY, A GREAT GENERAL MANUFACTURING SAFETY PRODUCTION FLOORS, ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF AND THEN ALSO, OUR NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF METAL WORKING SKILLS, WHICH IS THE FIRST LEVEL OF CNC AND THEY CAN EARN THAT. SO I HEARD YOU TALK AT THAT MEETING I STAYED AFTER MY CENTER FOR BUSINESS AFTER MY, WHAT IS IT THAT I DO, THE CHILDREN AND FAMILIES ADVISORY BOARD AND YOU WERE TALKING. I WAS LIKE, OKAY, WHY AM I HERE? AND I HEARD YOU TALKING ABOUT WHAT DO WE DO FOR OUR SCHOOL STUDENTS, WE KNOW THAT'S WHERE I CAME FROM. FINDING INSTRUCTION AND ACADEMIES THAT WERE RELEVANT IN REAL WORLD AND HELP THEM GET INTO HIGH-SKILL HIGH WAGE JOBS BUT KIND OF FORGOT THE POSTSECONDARY PIECE IN THAT. SO I'M HONEST ABOUT THAT. WE ARE NOW BUILDING ARTICULATION AGREEMENTS FROM A CAREER ACADEMIES THAT OFFER STUDENTS. IT WORKS WITH ONE OF OUR PROGRAMS, WE TAKE THAT IN AND GIVE YOU CREDIT FOR IT, SAVING YOU COURSES. THERE'S SOME THAT YOU CAN SAVE UP TO 15 CREDITS WHICH IS MORE THAN A SEMESTER COMING INTO OUR SCHOOL. WE ALSO ARE TRYING TO ATTRACT THOSE STUDENTS TO COME IN TO THOSE A.S. DEGREE PROGRAMS AND OUR CERTIFICATE PROGRAMS. MANY OF THEM JUST GO INTO THE STRAIGHT A.A. TRACK WHICH IS WONDERFUL BUT IF THEY HAVE AN INTEREST IN COMPUTER SCIENCE, LET'S GET THEM TO GET THAT DEGREE IN COMPUTER SCIENCE AND HELP THEM GET ON THEIR WAY. I GAVE YOU THE EXAMPLE IN THE WORKFORCE APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM AND WANT TO GO TO A BACHELOR'S DEGREE, WE COULD TAKE GRADUATION FROM OUR CERTIFICATE PROGRAM AND GIVE UP TO 23 CREDITS AFTER THEY COMPLETED EITHER ONE OF THOSE WORKFORCE PROGRAMS YOU JUST -- I JUST TALKED ABOUT, OR IF THEY COMPLETED AN APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM, THAT WOULD BE ALMOST HALF OF AN A.S. DEGREE. WE PUT THEM IN A PROGRAM CALLED INDUSTRIAL MANAGEMENT WHICH IS AN A.S. DEGREE AND FROM THAT, WITH A COUPLE OF GENERAL EDS, THEY GO TO A BACHELOR'S DEGREE. THAT'S ONE WAY TO DO IT OR THEY CAN GET ADVANCED STANDING CREDIT TO GO RIGHT INTO ONE OF OUR A.S. DEGREES OR B.S. DEGREES. I HAVE TO SAY, DR. EATON AND DOCTOR SMITH AND FLAGLER GROUP HAVE WORKED VERY CLOSELY TO TRY TO GET THESE AGREEMENTS IN PLACE AND TO WORK TOGETHER. WE REALLY TRY TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. SO WE HAVE LOTS OF PARTNERSHIPS. WE HAVE TO HAVE ADVISORY BOARDS IN ALL OF THESE MEETINGS, HAVING PARTNERS AND HELPING US TO UNDERSTAND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, HELPING US TO UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR PEOPLE ARE SAYING OUT THERE, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS REALLY CRITICAL TO US. THE NATION AS A WHOLE, IT IS THE LARGEST AREA THAT PEOPLE FIND WORK IN. IF YOU WENT TO MANPOWER, THE LARGEST EMPLOYMENT AGENCY, OF THE TEN TOP CLASSES OF PEOPLE THEY LOOK FOR AROUND THE WORLD. WE TRY TO GET THEM UP AND A LOT TO CATCH UP TO. THOSE ARE THE MIDDLE SCHOOL WORKERS. THOSE PEOPLE ARE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE AND AS. THE HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA IS NO LONGER ENOUGH. STUDENTS NEED POSTSECONDARY EDUCATION. DON'T NECESSARILY NEED A FOUR YEAR DEGREE TO BE SUCCESSFUL BUT A FORM OF POSTSECONDARY EDUCATION. SO YOU SEE THAT THE BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS. THE OTHER AREA THAT'S

SUFFERING IS OUR STEM FIELD. OTHER NATIONS HAVE DONE BETTER THAN WE HAVE IN GETTING PEOPLE TO DO THAT. AND I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY BECAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE FORGET WHEN WE SAY STEM, EVERYBODY SAYS, OOH, WE'VE GOT TO ADD MORE SCIENCE AND MATH. WELL, SCIENCE AND MATH, YOU NEED THE T AND THE E TO MAKE THAT THE TECHNOLOGY AND ENGINEERING. THAT'S THE APPLIED PIECE TO HELP KIDS GET INVOLVED IN WHAT THEY ARE DOING, SO THERE'S BEEN A SKILL GAP. THE CENTER WORKFORCE BOARD, MAYBE SOME OF YOU GOT THE SURVEY. EARLY FINDINGS ARE THE THREE CRITICAL AREAS ARE MANUFACTURING, NO SURPRISE. EDUCATION, I THINK VOLUSIA COUNTY SCHOOL SAY THEY NEED 300 SOMETHING TEACHERS FOR CLASS SIZE. HEALTHCARE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE AND I WOULD ADD CONSTRUCTION TO THAT, AS CONSTRUCTION GROWS, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED MORE AND MORE PEOPLE TO DO THAT. THEY WANT SOMEONE WITH THREE TO FIVE YEARS EXPERIENCE. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE FIVE YEARS EXPERIENCE WHEN YOU GET OUT OF SCHOOL. WE NEED HELP FOR YOUNG PEOPLE WHEN THEY GET OUT AND THEIR CERTIFICATE TO GIVE THEM THE EXPERIENCE THEY NEED. THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN A GIVEN. SO WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND INVITE THEM TO THE WORKFORCE SUMMIT?

THANK YOU, MARY. YOU'RE CERTAINLY DOING VERY WELL. WE'RE HERE TO ANNOUNCE THIS MORNING THE CALL TO ACTION.

DR. EDEN?

YOU HAVE TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD.

NO, THEY CAN'T READ MY NAME TAG. IT DOESN'T WORK. I'M CARROLL EATON. I HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO MARY'S PRESENTATION AND DELIGHTED TO SHARE THE INFORMATION TO YOU ALL THIS MORNING. IN AN EFFORT TO GET THE WORD OUT AND ALSO THE REVERSE SO PEOPLE BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND OUR PROGRAMS AS WELL AS MARY HAS BEEN DESCRIBING TO YOU THIS MORNING. WE ARE GOING TO HOST A CALL TO ACTION AS A WORKFORCE SUMMIT ON WEDNESDAY MAY 28 AT ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY CENTER. YOU CAN SEE WE TARGET THE SAME INDUSTRIES THAT MARY HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT, THE MANUFACTURING AND CONSTRUCTION HEALTHCARE ALSO PROFESSIONAL AND BUSINESS SERVICES AS WELL AS TRANSPORTATION AND LOGISTICS. YOU ARE ALL INVITED. WE WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO HAVE YOU THERE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT AND WE WILL BE SENDING OUT INVITATIONS TO BUSINESS LEADERS IN ALL OF THOSE TARGETED INDUSTRIES.

SO TRANSPORTATION AND LOGISTICS IS NEW, BUT OVER THE LAST SEVERAL WEEKS, I HAVE HEARD ABOUT THAT AN AWFUL LOT, SO WE'RE SORT OF INVESTIGATING THAT RIGHT NOW AS POSSIBILITIES. SO I OPEN THE FLOOR TO QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. I KNOW I WENT THROUGH IT FAST BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE TIME TO HAVE QUESTIONS AND SEE IF I HAVE THE ANSWERS.

THE BOARD IS LIGHTING UP. MR. PATTERSON, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT WHAT YOU ALL ARE DOING BECAUSE I TELL YOU, A FEW YEARS AGO WHEN I CHAIRED THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE AND WORKFORCE COMMITTEE, I WAS REALLY FRUSTRATED BECAUSE WHAT I KEPT HEARING IS OUR COMMUNITY COLLEGES WERE MORE FOCUSED ON THE CERTIFICATES AND I WANTED TO SEE MORE OF THE, YOU KNOW, MOVING ON AND I WENT TO ONE OF THE GRADUATIONS ONE YEAR AND ABOUT HALF OF THE PEOPLE, WAS BECAUSE DR.

SHARPLES SAID THOSE WITH THE TECHNICAL CERTIFICATE PROGRAM AND STOOD UP HALF THE ROOM WITH ABOUT 400 PEOPLE THERE COMING BACK BECAUSE THEY HAD THE DEGREES THAT WEREN'T HELPING VERY MUCH. IT'S THREE GIRLS AND BOYS. MY MOTHER TELLS EVERYBODY I'M A MALE DANCER BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T WANT TO TELL ANYBODY I'M AN INSURANCE AGENT/POLITICIAN, I STARTED TO SAY PROSTITUTE.

THIS IS LIKE TOO MUCH INFORMATION. TMI.

YEAH, ANYWAY, THAT IS AND I REALLY WANT TO SEE, YOU KNOW, THE THING I FOUND OUT IN TALKING AT MEETINGS I WENT TO ON A NATIONAL LEVEL WAS THE NUMBER OF COLLEGES UP NORTH USING ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY CONCEPT AND MOVING THEM IN AND OUT OF UNION PROGRAMS AND WHATEVER AND OFFERING THE GENERAL EDUCATION SO THEY COULD GET THE ASSOCIATE OF SCIENCE OR BACHELOR'S DEGREE AND THAT'S WHAT PARENTS WANT TO SEE. I DON'T THINK A PARENT MINDS WHEN THEIR KID IS GETTING AN EDUCATION AS A PLUMBER OR A CONSTRUCTION IF THEY KNOW THEY'LL BE GETTING A BACHELOR'S DEGREE. THAT'S EXCITING AND I'M REALLY PROUD AND PLEASED THAT YOU ALL ARE DOING THAT. THERE'S SUPPORTING WITH MY EDUCATION BACKGROUND.

LAST MEETING I FORGOT TO SAY THAT YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE TECHNICAL CENTERS AND IN VOLUSIA COUNTY BACK IN THE '60s SOMEWHERE, EVERY SCHOOL DISTRICT AND COLLEGE HAD TO DECIDE WHO WAS GOING TO BE THE TECH CENTER AND OFFER ADULT ED AND WHO WASN'T. FOR WHATEVER REASON VOLUSIA COUNTY CHOSE TO GIVE THAT ROLE TO THE COMMUNITY COLLEGE, SO WE ARE THE DESIGNATED TECH CENTER. THAT'S WHY WE'RE ABLE TO OFFER ALL OF THOSE CERTIFICATE PROGRAMS AND IT'S BEEN GREAT.

THAT AND THE DUAL ENROLLMENT PROGRAM I THINK IS FABULOUS. THE YOUNG LADIES I KNOW, HER MOTHER, I ACTUALLY CONVINCED HER MOTHER SHE SHOULD GET DUAL ENROLLMENT PROGRAM. SHE HAD BACHELORS IN THE 20s AND MEDICAL FIELD AT FLORIDA ACCESS HOUSE. SHE'S DOING VERY WELL. IF YOU'RE A MOTIVATED STUDENT, IT'S DUAL ENROLLMENT AND A GREAT WAY TO GET FIRST TWO YEARS OF COLLEGE PAID FOR BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

WE HAD 40 TO 50 STUDENTS WALK ACROSS THE STAGE IN THE PAST, LIKE EARLY MAY, WITH THEIR A.A. DEGREE OR A.S. DEGREE AND NOT HAVE GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL YET AND THEN THEY GO ON TO THEIR HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATION, FREE TO PARENTS. THAT IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.

I JUST GOT AN INVITATION TO A YOUNG LADY WHO WENT TO THE DUAL ENROLLMENT PROGRAM AND SHE JUST FINISHED LAW SCHOOL AND NEXT FRIDAY, I THINK, I'LL BE GOING OVER FOR HER SWEARING IN TO THE FLORIDA BAR. ANOTHER DUAL ENROLLMENT STUDENT THAT DID WELL AT GEORGETOWN. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. MISNORTHEY?

THANK YOU. MARY, DO YOU ALL TRACK OUTCOMES OF ALL THE PROGRAMS? I MEAN --

YES, WE DO

HOW DO YOU DO THAT AND HOW DO YOU MEASURE THE SUCCESS AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING -- I THINK IT'S SUCCESSFUL BUT MAYBE THAT WORD, THAT IS ALL -- THAT'S A LOT OF STUFF I DON'T KNOW THAT I ACTUALLY KNEW YOU ALL WERE DOING ALL OF THAT AND PARTICULARLY, MEASURING THE SUCCESS OF THE PROGRAMS AND GOING ON TO ACTUAL JOBS. DO YOU ALL HAVE AN .

THE STATE OF FLORIDA TRACKS THAT FOR US AND THE TRAINING AND PLACEMENT, THAT'S WHAT WE CALL IT AND THE PRESENTATION I DID FOR -- I HAD THAT INFORMATION BUT THOUGHT IT WOULD BE OVERKILL FOR US. I COULD PROVIDE THAT TO YOU. WE RANGE ANYWHERE FROM ON PLACEMENT RATES FROM 70% TO 90 SOMETHING PERCENT AND IT'S BASED ON TRACKING THEIR SOCIAL SECURITY AND THE LIMITATIONS TO THAT AND LOSE GRADUATES THAT GO SOMEWHERE ELSE FROM PLACEMENT, BUT WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE DOING FAIRLY WELL WITH PLACEMENT.

OKAY. THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. IF YOU COULD GET ME THAT INFORMATION, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT. THANK YOU. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.

THANKS.

MR. DANIELS. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MARY AND DR. EATON, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE. THE APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAMS YOU'VE GOT THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY TERRIFIC AND WHAT I'VE BEGUN TO HEAR IS THAT PEOPLE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, BUSINESS PEOPLE OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, CONTRACTOR S OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, MORE APPRENTICESHIPS LIKE D.S.E. THE SAME VOICES AND BEGINNING TO TAKE CARE IT'S THE WORKFORCE AROUND HERE AND YOU'RE DOING IT. YOU KNOW, WE ARE ALL TIRED OF THESE STORIES OF ALL OF THESE MANUFACTURERS AROUND HERE WHO CANNOT FIND PEOPLE TO FILL SLOTS. WE PROGRAMS LIKE YOU'RE DOING, I THINK THAT WILL BE A THING OF THE PAST SOMETIME VERY SOON. THANK YOU.

MISS DENYS?

THANK YOU. REMEMBER BACK IN THE '90s, THE BUS, TECHNICAL BUS?

THE CAREER CONNECTION.

THAT WAS CUTTING TECHNOLOGY BACK THEN AND COMING A LONG WAY SINCE THEN. I REMEMBER THE BUS AND BEING FASCINATED. IT WAS GOOD NEWS AT THE TIME, BUT DOING A DUAL ENROLLMENT TOO IS FASCINATING. WE HAVE TWO FRIENDS, DOCTORS GRADUATE WITH AN A.S. IT'S A WONDERFUL THING. WHAT I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU, WHEN WE HAD THE PRESENTATION WITH THE APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM EARLIER, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE DOING THIS AND WORKING UP TO THE MEETING ON THE 20th OF WHICH I CAN, I GOT PREVIOUS COMMMITMENTS, I'LL BE OUT OF THE STATE BUT THERE WERE 25 CATEGORIES LISTED THERE AND LOOKING AT THIS, WE'RE STILL ONLY ADDRESSING TWO WHICH IS I THINK NOTEWORTHY. WHILE THIS IS VERY GOOD AND WE NEED TO EXPAND IT, LET YOU KNOW IF POSSIBLE AND I KNOW YOU CAN'T DO IT ALL, I UNDERSTAND, BUT STILL ONLY TALKING ABOUT TWO CATEGORIES AS FAR AS CONTRACTS GO AND THE VOLUSIA COUNTY BECAUSE WE DO NOTHING WITH EDUCATION FROM THIS COUNCIL. BUT TALK TO ME ABOUT THE SOUTH CAMPUS OF DAYTONA STATE. I HEARD YOU HAVE 17 GRADUATES, THAT'S WONDERFUL. AND NEW SMYRNA. I'M HOPING FOR SOME EXPANDED OTHER THAN BARBERING AT THE SOUTH CAMPUS IN DAYTONA STATE FOR

THE APPRENTICESHIP PROGRAM. ANY OTHER PROGRAMS OUT THERE? JUST UPDATE ME ON WHAT'S GOING ON NEXT.

I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR APPRENTICESHIPS ARE RUN BY THE ASSOCIATION OF PLUMBERS UNION, THE ELECTRICAL UNION OR WHATEVER. WE PROVIDE TO PAY FOR THEIR TEACHERS. ALL THE PROGRAMS I SPOKE TO YOU ABOUT ARE DAYTONA STATE COLLEGE PROGRAMS THAT OFFER THE SAME KIND OF TRAINING BUT NOT NECESSARILY, WE CROSS THE TERMINOLOGY OF APPRENTICESHIP AND THE CERTIFICATES AND DEGREES THAT WE OFFER. ALL VERY NEEDED AND ALL GREAT. BUT JUST A REMINDER THAT FOR US TO EXPAND APPRENTICESHIPS, WE ONLY GET ABOUT HALF THE FUNDING FOR THAT. WE ONLY EARN WHATEVER THE STATE GIVES US PER STUDENT F.T.E. SO WE ARE LOSING, WE ONLY GET 50% OF THE DOLLARS. WE ARE IN THE CERTIFICATE PROGRAMS. EVEN THOUGH THOSE ARE EXPENSIVE PROGRAMS TO OPERATE, YOU BUY THE MACHINE, A CHEAP ONE IS 60,000. SO, YOU KNOW, OUR PROGRAMS ARE VERY EXPENSIVE TO RUN BUT THOSE STUDENTS IN THOSE PROGRAMS IN MACHINING, THEY PAY THE TUITION, WE EARN F.T.E. AND CHARGE A LAB FEE FOR THE LAB MATERIALS AND METAL IS NOT CHEAP. IT'S IN THOSE TYPE OF PROGRAMS AND HAVE TO HAVE IT. THEY PAY THE LAB FEE AND TUITION AND GET OUR FTE THAT COVERS THE FULL WAGE. SO WHAT I'M LOOKING TO DO IS EXPAND ON THOSE CERTIFICATE PROGRAMS WHILE KEEPING THE APPRENTICESHIPS THAT WE HAVE GOING. I DON'T KNOW IF, AT THIS POINT, NOBODY HAS APPROACHED US TO LOOK AT ANY OTHER APPRENTICESHIPS BUT I CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GONE BACK FOR THE ELECTRICAL GROUP AND SOMETIMES, THEY'RE VERY LOW. WE ONLY GET THE FTE PORTION OF IT. IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE TO OPERATE. SO SEVERAL YEARS AGO, I TOLD THEM IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE 18 TO START A NEW CLASS, I WASN'T GOING TO LET THEM START AND I GOT A LOT OF BACKLASH FOR THAT, BUT THEIR ENROLLMENTS ARE GROWING NOW BECAUSE THEY PUSH THAT. OR OUR BOARD IS GOING TO EL US, DO WE REALLY NEED THOSE KIND OF PROGRAMS?

CERTAINLY.

BUT NOW THE NEW SMYRNA QUESTION, I THINK THAT WAS THE FIRST ONE I STARTED THERE, THE BARBERING. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE WE PLAN NOW AT NEW SMYRNA BUT I WOULD BE GLAD TO TALK ABOUT THE NEEDS.

THERE'S DEFINITELY A NEED BECAUSE OUR WORKFORCE, I MEAN, WE HAVE EMPLOYERS HIRING JUST LIKE WE ALL KNOW, BUT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A SKILLED WORKFORCE. WE FORGET THE T.&E IN STEM. THAT'S THE DEMAND IN THE WORKFORCE RIGHT NOW. THAT'S WHERE WE FALL SHORT. MARY, THANK YOU AS ALWAYS FOR YOUR COMMMITMENT AND WHAT YOU DO. I STILL MISS THE BUS. THAT WAS PRETTY COOL.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. GREAT TO SEE YOU. ALL OF US. I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. IF FIRST TRACKING OF STUDENTS AND YOU SAY THAT YOU'D LIKE TO GET THE INFORMATION ALSO ABOUT THAT. THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT THE PARTNERSHIP. IS THERE ANY PARTNERSHIP WITH THE APPRENTICE PROGRAMS THAT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR FOLKS TO GO TO SCHOOL AND HAVE NO INCOME. AND THERE IS NO FUNDING AVAILABLE. THE APPRENTICESHIP PIECE COMES IN. YOU ARE EARNING SOME SALARY WILE YOU'RE GOING TO SCHOOL, WHICH IS A PIECE THAT WE HAVE NOT TALKED ABOUT. ONCE WE CAN GET THEM TRAINED, WE CAN WORK. WHAT WE DO AS WE BEGAN TO TRY TO TRAIN THEM.

PEOPLE WORK DURING THE DAY AND GET THE TRAINING AT NIGHT. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WORK DURING THE DAY AND THEN COME IN FOR TRAINING AT NIGHT. THE OTHER THING, WE DO HAVE FINANCIAL AID FOR STUDENTS. ALL OF THOSE PROGRAMS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT EXCEPT FOR THE CONTINUING AD, THEY'RE ELIGIBLE FOR FINANCIAL AID. THEY'RE ELIGIBLE A LOT OF TIMES AND ENOUGH FOR BOOKS AND SOMETIMES LIVINGIC PENCES IF THEY'RE GOING TO SCHOOL ALL DAY AND FULL TIME BUT THE PROGRAMS THAT I PRIMARILY OPERATE ARE NIGHT, SO THAT STUDENTS CAN GO TO WORK DURING THE DAY.

A LOT OF THESE STUDENTS ARE ADULTS WHO HAVE TO BE RETRAINED, THAT HAVE FAMILIES AND CAN'T VERY WELL MAKE IT GIVEN AS IT RELATES TO FINANCIAL AID. SO I JUST THINK THAT THAT'S A PIECE THAT WE ALL NEED TO BE AT THE TABLE TO TALK ABOUT. HOW DO WE HELP WITH TRANSITION FROM ONE PROFESSION WHEN ANOTHER CLOSES DOWN?

RIGHT.

SO THE TRAINING IS GREAT. YOU HAVE TO OFFER FOR NEW STUDENTS AND YOUNG FOLK THAT JUST START THEIR CAREERS, BUT IT LEAVES A GREAT HOLD IN WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO RETRAIN FOR EMPLOYMENT AND SO I'D LIKE TO SEE WHERE WE HAVE THE SUMMIT, IF WE COULD HAVE SOME COLLABORATION TO TALK ABOUT SOME AREAS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO WORK TOGETHER AND OVER SOME INDUSTRIES THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP US IN DOING AND NURSING, YOU MAY GO TO A NURSING HOME OR HOSPITAL. YOU CAN WORK PART-TIME IN THAT PROFESSION.

MM-HMM.

I WAS WONDERING IF THAT COULD BE POSSIBLE WITH APPRENTICE AND SOME OF THE TRAINING THAT YOU ALL PROVIDE. LIKE INTERNSHIP PROGRAM THAT WOULD BE SOME INCOME FOR THESE FOLKS.

WE DO HAVE CO-OPS AND INTERN FOR A LOT OF OUR PROGRAMS. STACKABLE CERTIFICATES, A LOT DO THAT, ENOUGH TO GET INTO COMPUTER REPAIR, SAY FOR EXAMPLE AND GET OUT AND GET A JOB AND COME BACK IN THE EVENING AND TAKE THE NEXT CERTIFICATE AND THEN GO GET A BUMP-UP IN THEIR JOB AND THEY BUILD ON IT UNTIL THEY GET TO THE A.S. DEGREE. A LOT OF STUDENTS ARE 27 PLUS. I THINK THAT'S THE AVERAGE AGE. SO THEY ARE LIKE THAT. WE DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO TRY TO SUPPORT THOSE STUDENTS IN THE ROLE, THE FLORIDA TRADES PROGRAM THAT I TALKED ABOUT. THAT'S A 12 WEEK PROGRAM THAT GETS PEOPLE INTO ENTRY LEVEL MACHINING, WHICH IS A VERY HIGH PAYING WAGE ONCE YOU GET UP, BUT THE IDEA IS THAT MOST OF THEM ARE COMING FROM THE WORKFORCE BOARD SO THEY'RE UNEMPLOYED. THEY JUST FINISHED A CLASS OF 13 AND THE 13th IS GOING TO GET THEIR JOB. IT'S THE INTERVIEW. WE GET THEM A JOB AFTER THAT. THEY GET INTO MANUFACTURING WHICH IS VERY HIGH PAYING AND COME BACK AND TAKE THE PROGRAM IN THE EVENING AND GET MORE SKILLS AND BUILD ON THAT. WE TRY AND PARTICULARLY IN CERTIFICATE PROGRAM, VERY SENSITIVE TO WORK HOURS FOR PEOPLE. TO STAGGER THE PROGRAMS TO MEET THE NEEDS BUT YES, IT'S A DEFINITE CONVERSATION.

THANK YOU. HI, MR. CHAIR. I WANT TO THANK DR. EATON FOR SHOWING UP TODAY. THANK YOU. MARY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I THINK YOU CAN SEE WHY I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOD THAT MARY CAME DOWN TODAY. I MEAN, I'M KIND OF BIASED. I'VE ALWAYS BEEN IMPRESSED BY MARY. I DIDN'T THINK I COULD BE

MORE IMPRESSED UNTIL I LISTENED TO A PRESENTATION. WHAT OCCURRED TO ME WHILE SHE WAS TALKING IS AS THEY TALK ABOUT AND LISTEN TO THE DIFFERENT GROUPS ON APPRENTICE, OBVIOUSLY, THE ISSUE WE HAVE IF YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE AN INCENTIVE PROGRAM WITH US, THERE'S HARDLY ANY APPRENTICE PROGRAMS. I'M SURE WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTIES TO BE THE ONES WHO RECEIVE OUR WORK WHEN WE TRY TO ENCOURAGE EDUCATION. ONE THING THAT OCCURRED TO ME THAT TOUCHES ON SOMETHING MR. CUSACK SAID, IF WE REALLY WANT TO ENCOURAGE MORE AND MORE PEOPLE TO EMPLOY PEOPLE WHILE THEY'RE GETTING TRAINING, ONE OF THE THINGS WE COULD DO, WE COULD CONSIDER WHETHER IN OUR WORK AN INCENTIVE AND INCLUDE CERTIFICATE PROGRAMS, WHICH NO ONE HAS DONE BEFORE. THINK ABOUT THIS. YOU WOULD THEN BE TELLING PEOPLE IN ALL OF THESE OTHER INDUSTRIES, EVERYTHING. THEY DO WORK FOR US AND THEY HAVE A STRUCTURE FOR SOME A KIND OF PROGRAM. NOT JUST D.S.E., THEY COULD BE APPROVED BY THE STATE WITH A REGULAR CERTIFICATE OR TRAINING PROGRAMS AND IN VOLUSIA COUNTY, THEY WOULD GIVE YOU AN INCENTIVE TO GET WORK. YOU WOULD HAVE EMPLOYERS WHO WOULD GO OUT OF THEIR WAY TO GET THEIR EMPLOYEES TO SIGN UP FOR TRAINING OR THEY HIRE THEM OUT OF THE SCHOOL AND IN SOME CASES, YOU COULD THINK, MIGHT BE BETTER OFF TO SAY, LOOK, I'LL PAY FOR YOU TO GO TO SCHOOL BECAUSE I HAVE A BETTER SHOT AT GETTING WORK. JUST A THOUGHT BUT IF YOU GO THROUGH THEIR PROGRAM, IT OPENS UP SO MANY THINGS THAT WE DO AS A GOVERNMENT NOW BECAUSE NOW IT'S ALL THE WORK WE DO. AND YOU COULD MAKE IT, THERE'S ENOUGH PROGRAMS TO RESTRICT IT TO VOLUSIA COUNTY AND IF IT WORKED FOR US, MAYBE IT WOULD WORK FOR THE OTHER CITIES. OBVIOUSLY, WE JUST CONTROL OUR WORK AND IF IT'S ALL THE OTHER GOVERNMENTS, IT COULD BE A LOT OF WORK IN THIS COMMUNITY OF TAX DOLLARS OF GOING TO WORK WHICH WOULD BE THEN SUPPORTING IN THEIR OWN WAY IN AN INCENTIVE PROGRAM AND PEOPLE HAVING EMPLOYEES THAT ARE IN TRAINING, IN THIS COUNTY. AND IT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAS DONE THIS. IT'S A BOLD THING TO DO AND YOU COULD LOOK AT WHAT OTHER PROGRAMS ARE OUT THERE BECAUSE I THINK THERE ARE ONES BEYOND D.S.E. THAT PROVIDE THIS KIND OF TRAINING. ANYBODY WHO ACTUALLY ACTIVELY IS GETTING TRAINED. WHAT IT REALLY WOULD BE IS AN ENCOURAGEMENT TO HIRE PEOPLE IN THOSE PROGRAMS OR TO ACTUALLY GET YOUR EMPLOYEES. AND HBAC, PAINTING, ANYTHING, THEY COULD GET THEMSELVES INVOLVED IN THESE PROGRAMS. YOU COULD MAKE IT. IT WOULD BE VERY COMPETITIVE. IT WAS JUST A THOUGHT AND SO TODAY, WHAT I'D ASK, AND MARY DID A WONDERFUL JOB TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT THEY CAN OFFER OF THAT DISCUSSION BECAUSE I THINK THE DISCUSSION WILL END UP BEING A LOT BIGGER THAN APPRENTICE PROGRAM BECAUSE THERE'S TWO APPRENTICE PROGRAMS. WITH THAT, I WANT TO THANK HER SPECIFICALLY FOR ME AND I REALLY APPRECIATE ME. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU COMING AND KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU'RE PROBABLY DOING MORE GOOD WORK THAN WE IMAGINE. THANKS.

THANK YOU.

OH, TRUST ME, YOU'RE NOT GETTING OUT HERE THAT EASY.

FOLLOW-UP. A COUPLE OF THINGS. HOW DO YOU WORK WITH THE HISPANIC COMMUNITY ON GETTING KNOWLEDGE OF AND INFORMATION ON THESE KINDS OF PROGRAMS, DO YOU DO ANYTHING WITH THE HISPANIC CHAMBER OF COMMERCE?

I DON'T. OUR GROUP, THE RECRUITING, WE HAVE A GROUP THAT DOES STUDENT RECRUITING AND THEY WORK OVER THERE. ONE OF THE AREAS WE ARE LOOKING

AT, I'M LOOKING AT IN PARTICULAR FOR EXPANDING OF THESE KINDS OF PROGRAMS IS OUR DELTONA CAMPUS.

I WOULD REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THE HISPANIC CHAMBER OF COMMERCE. THEY DO GREAT STUFF AND THEY'RE VERY INTERESTED IN ADVANCING EDUCATION.

OKAY.

WE LOVE SUZETTE. SHE'S IN OUR ROTARY AND WE THINK SHE'S A REALLY GOOD TALENT. AND THEN ON A PERSONAL NOTE, I JUST WANTED TO LET DR. EATON KNOW THAT MY SON IS ALMOST DONE WITH HIS A.A. AT DELTONA AND I'M SO EXCITED FOR HIM. IT'S BEEN A GREAT PROGRAM FOR AN ADULT LEARNER. THAT'S THE OTHER PIECE OF IT. NOT JUST KIDS OUT OF SCHOOL BUT ADULT LEARNING AS WELL. HE'S A LATE BLOOMER BUT HE'S BLOOMING AT D.S.C. THANK YOU.

OKAY, AND MR. WAGNER.

I WAS JUST SAYING THANK YOU. I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION. I'M EASY.

THANK YOU, DOCTOR. MISS MARY, ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO SEE YOU LADIES. I REMEMBER LAST YEAR, WE TALKED AND WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A CERTIFICATE PROGRAM AT THE 101 CAFE. I WAS INTERESTED AND I HAVEN'T GIVEN UP. THANK YOU, LADIES. NEXT ITEM UP, DISCUSSION OF WATER QUALITY WORKSHOP. JOHN AND JULIE. AND ZACK . IT'S DISCUSSED AT THE STRATEGIC PLANNING WORKSHOP. PROVIDED THIS AND COMMENTED ON IT. I'LL JUST KIND OF -- YES, SIR?

I'D LIKE TO MAKE A FEW COMMENTS ON THIS. MARY ANN COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY. SHE'S OUT OF THE COUNTRY. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY ONE OF HER BIG ISSUES. WHAT WE WANTED TO DO AFTER THE LAST DISCUSSION WITH THE COUNCIL, THE REASON THIS IS ON THERE IS TO MAKE SURE THIS IS WHAT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DO SO THAT WE'RE VERY PRODUCTIVE DURING THIS DISCUSSION. IT WORKED OUT BECAUSE I THINK MISS NORTHEY WAS CLEAR IN WANTING TO DO THIS AND HAPPY TO SAY, HEY, I WANT TO MASSAGE IT BETTER. THE BIG EMPHASIS HERE AND YOU COULD SEE THE AGENDA WE HAVE, THE THINGS WE'LL DISCUSS BUT THE BIG EMPHASIS IS THAT WE CAN HAVE ALL THE PLANS WE WANT BUT THIS REALLY IS A COMMUNITY EFFORT BECAUSE A LOT OF THE OTHER GOVERNMENTS CONTROL THE ISSUES THAT SURROUND WATER QUALITY. AND THAT IS THE TREATMENT PLANTS THEY HAVE AND WHETHER THEY'RE PUTTING THAT STUFF IN REUSED LINES OR PUTTING IT IN THE MOSQUITO LAGOON OR THE HALIFAX RIVER AND INDIAN RIVER. ALSO, WHERE ARE WE GOING ON SEPTICS? THE WAY IT'S SET UP, YOU SAW THE LETTER I SENT OUT AS ANTICIPATIONISTS, WE WOULD INVITE THE CITY TO EMPOWER A REPRESENTATIVE THAT WOULD ACTUALLY GIVE A LITTLE OVERVIEW PRESENTATION OF WHERE THEY'RE GOING AND THE ISSUES THEY ADDRESS WITH THE IDEA OF STAYING ON THE PANEL AND BE AN ACTIVE MEMBER OF THE ONGOING DISCUSSION ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GOING AS A COMMUNITY TO TRY TO SEE WHAT STRATEGY WE HAVE IN PLACE AND, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THEY HAVE A TREATMENT PLANT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, PRODUCING AFFLUENT THAT GOES IN THE RIVER, WHAT IS THEIR PLAN TO EVER END THAT? IF YOU HAVE MAJOR SEPTIC SYSTEMS, WHAT'S YOUR PLAN TO GET RID OF THE SYSTEMS? IF THE DISCUSSION IS A ONE-LEGGED STOOL, IT'S NOT GOING TO STAND. I HOPE THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL WANTED TO DO. WE FELL OPT ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE. THIS IS WHAT WE

THOUGHT YOU WANTED TO DO AND THOUGHT IT WOULD BE THE FIRST TIME WE REALLY ENGAGED THE OTHER PARTICIPANTS THAT REALLY CONTROL THIS ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY AS BEST GOVERNMENTS CAN CONTROL TO BE AT THE TABLE AND MAYBE WE COULD REALLY GET SOMEWHERE ABOUT ACTION PLANS FOR THE FUTURE. WHAT I NEED IS INPUT FROM THE COUNCIL. I CAN STILL CHANGE IT AT ANY WAY THEY WANT, BUT THAT WAS OUR SECOND SHOT, WE'LL CALL, AT HOW YOU WANT TO CONDUCT THIS WORKSHOP. MAKE IT WORTHWHILE. IS THIS WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO DO, CHANGE IT, MODIFY IT, OR START ALL OVER AGAIN? YOU NEED TO LET ME KNOW.

MISS NORTHEY. THE FLOOR, MA'AM?

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. COULD WE ADD WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THEM BECAUSE WE HAVE A HUGE INVESTMENT WITH THEM. THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AN AREA WHERE WE WERE GOING TO BE PRESERVING WATER, GETTING WATER.

ABSOLUTELY, WE COULD PUT THAT ON THERE BECAUSE I THINK, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU. I UNDERSTAND WHAT WE DID. I'M NOT SURE ANYBODY ELSE UNDERSTANDS WHAT WE DID. IN WATER QUALITY WITHOUT HAVING TO DRAW WATER OUT OF THE RIVER, FOR THE LONG-TERM AND AT THE SAME TIME, PROTECT THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT AND CREATE WILDLIFE ALL AT ONCE.

IT WAS A BIG DEAL.

BIG DEAL. $28MILLION BIG DEAL.

IF WE COULD MAYBE HAVE A MAP OF WHERE THE CITY AND COUNTY WELLS ARE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, IS THAT POSSIBLE TO DO THAT?

GETTING ALL OF THIS?

PARTICULARLY IN THE CONSERVATION AREA AND I THINK THERE HAS TO BE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE IMPACTS OF BLUE SPRING, I SEE IT ON HERE BUT I THINK IT'S MORE NUANCED AND JUST ST. JOHN'S RIVER. BLUE SPRING HAS A -- WILL HAVE AN EFFECT ON WATER WITHDRAWAL IN SOUTHWEST VOLUSIA THAT'S NOT SHARED IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTY AND THERE NEEDS TO BE A -- ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE INVITING THE CITIES TO JOIN US, WE NEED TO BE TALKING ABOUT THAT BECAUSE BLUE SPRING IS NOT JUST A RESOURCE FOR VOLUSIA BUT A NATIONAL RESOURCE.

I AGREE WITH YOU. THAT'S AN IMPORTANT BIG TOPIC. WHAT I THINK WE OUGHT TO DO IS I THINK WE OUGHT TO SEE IF WE COULD MAKE THAT AS A DISCUSSION WITH THE CITIES SEPARATE. THAT IN ITSELF, BECAUSE IT -- I UNDERSTAND TO BE MORE SYMPATHETIC. I LEARNED WHAT THIS REAL ISSUE IS AND IT'S A PART OF THE COMMUNITY PAYING THE PRICE FOR SOMETHING THAT'S A STATE ASSET. IT REALLY WASN'T INTENDED TO BE THAT WAY. QUITE FRANKLY, ST. JOHN'S CREATED THAT. THE BEEN LINE IS I THINK THAT'S A GOOD SEPARATE TALK, BUT I THINK YOU MAY SAY, LET'S LOOK AT WHAT WE DO WITH THE QUALITY AND REALLY FOCUS ON THAT, PROTECTING THE WATER AND THEN SAY, AS PART OF THAT, HOW ABOUT WE ALL AGREE TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AS A GROUP OF WHERE WE'RE GOING BECAUSE THE GOOD THING IS YOU'VE GOT EVERYBODY AT THE TABLE AND HERE'S THE POINT. THIS IS WHAT I'M EXCITED ABOUT. REALLY, WE NEED TO ENGAGE THESE OTHER PARTNERS BECAUSE FOR ONCE, THESE ARE ACTIVE PARTNERS IN ALL OF THESE THINGS. THEY'RE NOT JUST RECIPIENTS OF

SERVICE. THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT WERE IN THIS TOGETHER, SO YOU COULD SAY, ROOK, LOOK, THIS IS A SEPARATE TOPIC AND COULD COME A SEPARATE MEETING ON THE SUBJECT.

OKAY. I ALSO STILL THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO ME TO HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF, I MEAN, WE'RE PROVIDING, A WATER AND SEWER PROVIDER INSIDE CITY BOUNDARIES. WE DO PROVIDE THOSE AND I THINK THAT SOME CITIES PROVIDE THE SAME TO WHAT WOULD BE UNCORPORATED RESIDENTS.

THERE ARE COOPERATIVE ARRANGEMENTS. YES.

I WOULD LIKE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE COOPERATIVE ARRANGEMENTS. I MET WITH SOME PEOPLE IN UNINCORPORATED VOLUSIA COUNTY LAST WEEK WHO ARE GETTING WATER FROM DELTONA. THEY WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE COST, CONCERNED ABOUT THE SEWER COST, CONCERNED ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE WATER. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE SOME QUALITY ISSUES WITH THE WATER THAT WE'RE BUYING FOR STONE ISLAND.

YES,.

AND I THINK WE NEED TO PUT THAT ALL ON THE TABLE. THE SEPTIC TANK ISSUE IS SIGNIFICANT. YOU CAN LOOK AT GEMINI SPRINGS ESPECIALLY. YOU KNOW WHAT IS POLLUTING AND THE SEPTIC TANKS ON THE VISTAS NORTH OF IT. THAT'S IN THE CITY OF DE BERRY. THEY DON'T HAVE WATER LINES TO THE VISTAS. THEY'RE ON WELLS AND SEPTIC. IT ALL RUNS DOWNHILL AND IMPACTS THE SPRING AND AT SOME POINT, THAT HAS TO BE A CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE WITH DEBERRY, WITH HOW THEY WANT IT PROTECTED. THAT'S A TWO-WAY STREET. WE'VE GOT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM AS WELL ABOUT HOW WE HANDLE SEPTIC AND SEWER LINES.

BUT AS YOU SAID, THOSE ARE ALSO DECISIONS THAT ARE CONTROLLED BY THOSE COMMUNITIES. AND SO YOU'RE SITTING THERE, BUT THEY HAVE TO HAVE --

A LONG-TERM PLAN. I'VE GOT TO SEE THE PLANS.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE PLAN, YOU CAN TALK ALL YOU WANT AND I THINK THAT IF THEY HAVE A PLAN, YOU CAN WORK, IS THERE A WAY FOR YOU TO COOPERATE AND PUT INCENTIVES IN AND DO THINGS LIKE WE HOPE WE CAN DO ON THE NORTH PEN. THERE ARE THINGS YOU CAN DO COOPERATIVELY BUT YOUR OTHER PARTNER HAS TO BE ENGAGED.

NO DOUBT, NO DOUBT.

I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT THIS DISCUSSION WOULD BE. WE NEVER HAD THIS DISCUSSION SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE.

ESPECIALLY ON SEPTICS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AND WE SEE WHAT HAPPENS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE COUNTY WHEN WE CONTINUE TO HAVE SEPTICS INSTEAD OF SEWER SERVICE. LASTLY, I KNOW THERE WAS A GROUP OUT OF STETSON UNIVERSITY ON GEMINI SPRINGS AND THE SEPTIC ISSUE. I WAS HOPING MAYBE WE COULD GET AN UPDATE AS PART OF THAT AS WELL.

WE COULD DO THAT TOO.

THANKS.

MR. DANIELS.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN. YOU KNOW, I DO THINK THAT WHAT WE WOULD NEED TO DO IS PARTICULARLY START OFF WITH SOME SORT OF EDUCATIONAL PIECE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEMS THAT ARE CREATED BY THE VARIOUS OUTFALLS WE HAVE AND BY THE SEPTIC TANKS, WHAT WE KNOW AND WHAT WE DON'T KNOW AND APPARENTLY, THE TECHNIQUES FOR DISCOVERING WATERWAYS HAVE BEEN POLLUTED AND WHERE THEY ARE IS ADVANCED NOW BUT IF YOU'VE GOT A LAB, YOU CAN PRETTY WELL TEST THAT OUT BECAUSE THERE'S CERTAIN CHEMICALS IN SEPTIC TANKS THAT DON'T BREAK DOWN LIKE CAFFEINE AND SPLENDA AND RESIDUE OF VARIOUS MEDICATIONS. IF WE NEED TO SHORE UP THE DATA, IT NEEDS TO SHOW THAT SEPTIC TANKS CAUSE SERIOUS PROBLEMS HERE.

CAN I STOP FOR A SECOND BECAUSE I AM FIGURING OUT HOW -- WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE THE BEGINNING DISCUSSION ABOUT SETTING THE PARAMETERS WE KNOW TO BRING PEOPLE UP TO SPEED?

YES, START OFF WITH WHAT WE KNOW AND THEN DISCUSSION OF WHAT WE DON'T KNOW AND DO NEED TO KNOW TO REALLY, YOU KNOW, MOVE FORWARD AND CONVINCE PEOPLE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT ABSOLUTELY HAS TO BE DONE. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, KEEP THE FOCUS HERE, I THINK, ON WATER QUALITY AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO IMPROVE WATER QUALITY. WATER QUANTITY IS A HUGE ISSUE THAT IT DESERVES A DAY OF ITS OWN. YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE VERY SIGNIFICANT IN THIS COUNTY. ALREADY SIGNIFICANT OVER IN POLK COUNTY AND THEN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY AND THAT AREA BUT IT'S GOING TO HIT US JUST AS HARD. YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THE TALK NOW ABOUT PUMPING WATER INTO ST. JOHN'S AND A HUGE BATTLE OVER THAT. YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE IN JACKSONVILLE ARE NOT GOING TO LIKE IT. THE PEOPLE IN VOLUSIA COUNTY ARE NOT GOING TO LIKE IT. WE NEED TO COME TO SOME CONCLUSION AS TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO STRUCTURE THE WATER SYSTEM IN VOLUSIA COUNTY. IT WOULD BE GOOD TO GET THE FACTS OUT ON THE TABLE AND AT LEAST GET THE DISCUSSION STARTED AS TO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

I THINK MISS NORTHEY'S POINT ABOUT WHAT WE DID WITH LEFFLER, THAT WAS A BIG COMMMITMENT TO THE COUNCIL AND PROBABLY NEEDS TO BE FACTORED IN BECAUSE THAT WAS -- THAT IS ONE OF THE WAYS WE ANSWERED THAT ISSUE.

THAT WAS VERY GOOD AND, YOU KNOW, THE MIAMI DEAL WITH THE WATER DOWN THERE, THAT MAY WELL BE HELPFUL DEPENDING ON WHERE THE WATER GOES AND WHAT HAPPENS TO IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD, IF WE DON'T WATCH IT, IT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT IMPINGES DIRECTLY ON THE FUTURE COUNTY AND NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR IT.

I THINK, I KNEW WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY AND I THINK SHE AGREED IS WHAT WE'D DO IS THAT'S A BIG ENOUGH TOPIC TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING. THE PLAYERS AND SAY, LOOK, THIS IS SUCH -- BECAUSE MAYBE WE'LL GET THEM ENGAGED ON THAT TOPIC TOO.

MR. PATTERSON?

I'M WITH MISS NORTHEY AND MR. DANIELS AS IT RELATES TO SEPTIC AND WATER QUALITY ISSUE. I TELL YOU, I THINK THE SEPTIC ISSUE IS HUGE AND THIS ROOM WILL FILL UP WHEN YOU START REALIZING WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST TO SOLVE IT. IT'S NOT SO MUCH, I'M AMAZED WHEN I HEAR PEOPLE JUMPING UP AND DOWN ABOUT PUMPING WATER TO USE OUT OF THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE A WELL AND A SEPTIC TANK IN THE SAME PROPERTY AND GOD FORBID WHAT THEY'RE PUMPING UP. WHAT'S GOING IN AND PUMPING BACK UP AGAIN AND I HEARD SOMEBODY TELLING ME THEY CAUGHT A NEIGHBOR WHO HAD FIVE GALLONS OF BAD SMELLING GASOLINE. THOUGHT THE BEST THING TO DO WAS POUR IT IN THE GROUND BECAUSE IT WOULD GO AWAY. WHEN WE GET INTO THAT, WE'LL HAVE TO REALLY, REALLY HUNKER DOWN ON THE SEPTIC TANK ISSUE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE LOOK AT WHERE IT'S CRITICAL AND KIND OF HIERARCHY. THE BARRIER ISLAND AND THE RIVERS. AND ANYTHING ON THE SPRINGS BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS CLAY HENDERSON TELLING ME ABOUT THE STUDY THAT WHEN THEY ANALYZE THE WATER, THEY FOUND CAFFEINE AND PRESCRIPTION DRUGS ALL MIXED IN WITH IT. AND THAT, YOU KNOW, I WAS TALKING TO SOMEBODY RECENTLY WHO WAS HEADED OVER TO THE BEACH BECAUSE THEY HAD A SORE ON THEIR FOOT AND THOUGHT SOAKING IT ON THE SALT BEACH WOULD HELP THEM. THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO PICK UP GREAT INFECTIONS BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A PROBLEM WITH THE OCEAN. I REALLY WANT TO SEE US TACKLE THIS. IF WE'RE LOOKING AT STRATEGIC PLANS, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. I TELL YOU WHAT. AFTER HEARING EVERYBODY HERE SPEAK TODAY, IT SOUND LIKE WE'VE GOT -- WE MIGHT TO HAVE LIKE FIVE OR SIX OF THESE WORKSHOPS.

DON'T WANT TO SCARE PEOPLE.

I KNOW BUT THERE'S A LOT OF DATA GOING OUT THERE. THE FIRST TIME MR. DANIELS CAME AND SAID, WE HAVE A PROBLEM IN INDIAN LAGOON. I SAID, I KNOW WHERE THAT IS. I WENT OVER THERE WITH THE CITY COUNCILMAN WITH OAK HILL AND HE'S NOT JOKING, THIS IS, I MEAN, I'VE SEEN LITERALLY SEPTIC TANKS CLEANER THAN THESE WATER WAYS. THIS IS HORRIBLE. AND NOT ONLY AFFECTS THE WATER PURITY BUT CASH CROPS. OYSTER BEDS ARE DYING AND ALL OF THIS STUFF IS DYING. I STARTED LOOKING AT -- I WAS GOING TO DO IT A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO BECAUSE I HAVE A SOLIDS METER AT MY DISPOSAL. I WAS GOING TO START LOOKING AT THE WATER AND PULL UP SOLID WATER AND SEE WHAT THE SOLID LEVELS IN THE SALINE AND THE PH AND EVERYTHING IN THIS WATER AND COMPARING IT WITH THE OCEAN WATER AND SEE IF THAT DATA MIGHT BE A WAY TO PRESENT IT AND BRING IT FORTH FOR A WAY TO FIX IT. I THINK YOU AND I TALKED BRIEFLY ABOUT A POSSIBILITY. SO NO, MY ONLY COMMENT HERE ON THIS ONE IS I NEED TO MAKE THIS ON THE 26th. AS YOU SEE ON MY CALENDAR, THERE MIGHT BE A CONFLICT ON THE 12th. WE'VE GOT TWO DATES.

WE TRY TO FIND OUT WHAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY. I TRY TO MAKE SURE THE CITY COMES TO THIS MEETING.

I'M OUT OF TOWN ON THE 13th BUT I'M LEAVING ON THE 12th.

DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE AN ISSUE ON THE DATES? JUNE 12th AND JUNE 26 ARE THE TWO DATES.

I'M GOOD ON THE 26th.

I'M GOOD ON BOTH RIGHT NOW.

EVERYONE LOOKS LIKE THE 26th FOR SURE. WE'LL SEE WHAT I CAN DO WITH THE CITIES. SO I TAKE IT EVERYONE IS GOOD WITH THE IDEA THAT WE REALLY WANT THE CITIES TO BE AN ACTIVE PARTICIPANT ON THE COMMITTEE, SO THEY'RE ACTUALLY ENGAGED LIKE WE ASK THEM TO BE. NOT JUST SITTING IN AN AUDIENCE BUT PART OF THE PANEL DISCUSSION. I THINK THAT'S CRITICAL. I WILL TELL YOU, I KNOW IT'S NOT HAPPENED SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE AND I THINK PEOPLE BELIEVE WE'VE NEVER DONE THIS BEFORE, WE SAID, LOOK, WE'RE A TEAM, ESPECIALLY ON WATER QUALITY. THE OTHER THING IS, I'M GOING TO SPEAK TO SOMETHING TALKED ABOUT IN OUR STRATEGIC PLANNING. IN ADDITION TO THESE OTHER REALLY ADMIRABLE THINGS WE NEED TO DO TO PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT. INFRASTRUCTURE IS STILL THE KEY TO ACADEMIC DEVELOPMENT AND YOU AIN'T GOING NOWHERE WITH THE SEPTIC SYSTEMS. YOU'RE NOT GETTING INDUSTRY AND BUSINESSES. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH IT FOR THE REAL REASON, ENVIRONMENTAL, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE FUTURE ON SEPTIC SYSTEMS. AND IN SOME CASES, I THINK THAT'S WHY WE DO GET PASSED BY. YOU DON'T HAVE STORM STORES. THEY HAVE TO HAVE WATER AND SEWER. THEY CAN'T HAVE WELLS. SO THAT'S ANOTHER FACTOR WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT. I HEARD YOUR COMMENTS. WE'LL STRUCTURE IT THE WAY THAT YOU SAID. I'LL TRY TO MAKE SURE THE CITY GETS SOME OF THIS STUFF AHEAD OF TIME SO THEY CAN REVIEW IT. I'M GOING TO TELL THEM, I'M GOING TO SEND THEM A FOLLOW-UP LETTER SAYING WE REALLY, REALLY NEED THEM TO PARTICIPATE AND THEY NEED SOMEBODY THERE EMPOWERED TO SPEAK. I REALLY THINK THAT'S BEEN THE PART THAT'S BEEN LOST IS THAT THEY REALLY ARE -- THEY DO CONTROL A LOT OF THIS AND IF WE DON'T GET THEM TO TALK ABOUT IT AND START COMMITTING TO SOMETHING, I THINK WE'RE JUST GOING TO BE SPINNING OUR WHEELS. IF THAT'S OKAY, WE'LL MOVE AHEAD AND TRY FOR THE 26th. THE ONLY THING I HAVE TO LOOK AT IS I'M ALSO GOING TO ERR ON THE SIDE OF THE CITIES COMING. I'LL TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT IF THEY DON'T.

GOT EVERYTHING YOU NEED, RIGHT?

I THINK WE HAVE IT ALREADY ALL ADDRESSED IN HERE. THERE'S A FEW ITEMS MISS NORTHEY WE'LL ADD TO THE PRESENTATION BUT TO DEAL WITH THE BASE OF THE REPORT CARD OF THE VARIOUS PRIOR TO WATER SERVICES, WE'LL HAVE THAT INTO THE SYSTEM. CERTAINLY SEPTIC AND SEWERS DISCUSSION TOPIC AND WE'LL HAVE THAT IDENTIFIED IN DETAIL THAT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO DETERMINE. THE VARIOUS PACKAGE PLANTS AND MUNICIPAL SYSTEMS. THEY'LL BRING BACK OR HAVE DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION FROM THE COUNSEL TO GIVE STAFF SOME IDEAS AND DIRECTIONS WE MAY WANT TO TAKE IN THE CONCLUSION.

ALL RIGHT.

THANKS, JOHN.

THANK YOU, SIR.

WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM NUMBER SIX WHICH IS THE RESOLUTION SUPPORTING THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION PROPOSED PLANS TO WIDEN FROM FOUR LANES TO SIX LANES. STATE ROAD 400 AND ENDING AT MULBERRY AVENUE U.S. 92. GOOD MORNING.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS COUNCIL. AS YOU JUST READ, THE FLORIDA D.O.T. HAS THIS PROJECT IN THEIR WORK PROGRAM TO WIDEN TPO HAS ENDORSED IT. THIS WAS SEVERAL YEARS AGO, THE DISCUSSION THAT THEY WENT AHEAD AND FUNDED THE DESIGN PHASE AND THAT DESIGN PHASE IS COMING TO A CONCLUSION. I BELIEVE THEY SAID THEY'VE GOT FUNDING IN THE FUTURE YEARS TO BUY SOME RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT'S NEEDED. THEY DO NOT HAVE CONSTRUCTION FUNDING AND ONE THING D.O.T. IS STARTING TO DO IS ON THESE MAJOR PROJECTS TO REQUEST SUPPORT FROM LOCAL GOVERNMENTS AND IN THIS CASE, THEY'VE ASKED VOLUSIA COUNTY TO ENDORSE SUPPORT THIS PROJECT. WE FELT THIS WAS MAJOR ENOUGH TO COME BEFORE COUNTY COUNCIL AND DID IT BEFORE A RESOLUTION FORMAT. TODAY WITH US, THE DESIGN CONSULTANT, ALAN KING IS HERE. HE'S GOT A BRIEF PRESENTATION TO MAKE WITH YOU. HE'S WITH THE FIRM GIAGI AND ASSOCIATES AND THEY'RE CONSULTANTS PERFORMING THE DESIGN IN WRAPPING THAT UP. SO UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ALAN TO DO HIS PRESENTATION.

THANK YOU, MR. BRENNAN. I WASN'T REALLY EXPECTING THAT INTRODUCTION, BUT THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL. MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COUNTY COUNCIL, MY NAME IS ALAN KING. I'M WITH GABI ASSOCIATES ONE OF THEIR PROJECT MANAGERS. MR. GABBY WAS WANTING TO BE HERE TODAY BUT SHE WANTED ME TO LET YOU KNOW SHE'S WANTING TO SCHEDULE A MEETING AT A FUTURE COUNCIL MEETING TO DISCUSS SOME OF THE EXCITING PROJECTS SHE'S GOT GOING ON IN VOLUSIA COUNTY SUCH AS THE I-94 AND 95 INTERCHANGE PROJECT AND THE MASTER PLAN SHE'S VERY INVOLVED IN. [TRANSITIONING CAPTIONERS ]

BASICALLY IT ENDS AT ISB, NORTH AND SOUTH OF THE LIMITS ARE TRANSITIONS BACK TO EXISTING. IT WILL -- WE'VE GOT DESIGN FOR STORM WATER, TWO WITH DETENTION, TWO WILL BE DRY.

NEXT SLIDE. AS YOU CAN SEE, DAYTONA BEACH, EMBRY RIDDLE TWO OF THE MAIN ONES. HALIFAX HOSPITAL, THERE'S THE APARTMENT COMPLEXES, SHOPPING CENTERS AND RESIDENTS DEVELOPMENTS. WHAT YOU CAN'T SEE IS WE'LL HAVE TO RAISE THE GRADE, A COUPLE FEET TO GET OUT OF THE HIGH STORM -- HIGH GROUND WATER CONDITION. PLUS JUST NORTH OF BEFOREEL ROAD, WE'LL RAISE THE GRADE AS MUCH AS 6 FEET TO IMPROVE SIGHT DISTANCE OVER BEVEL ROAD. WE'LL BE BUILDING A SIX-LANE DIVIDED FACILITY WITH LIKE LANES ON BOTH SIDES, SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES. WE'LL BE BUILDING A 12-FOOT WIDE SHARED USE PATH THAT WILL SERVE CASUAL RUNNERS, JOGGERS, BICYCLISTS AND STUDENTS COMMUTING TO THE UNIVERSITY AND WHOEVER ELSE WANTS TO USE IT. WE'LL BE CONSTRUCTING NEW LIGHTING, THERE'S TEN -- THEY JUST ADDED A NEW INTERSECTION, SO THERE WILL BE 11 SIGNALIZE THE INTERSECTIONS ON THE CORRIDOR, RECONSTRUCTED WITH NEW MAST ARMS, SEVEN OF THOSE FACILITIES ARE MAINTAINED BY THE VOLUSIA COUNTY, AND FIVE WILL BE -- FOUR WILL BE MAINTAINED BY THE CITY OF DAYTONA BEACH. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS JUST A LIST OF SOME OF THE KEY COMPONENTS OF THE PROJECT, WE WILL BE ADDING CAPACITY IMPROVEMENT, MULTI-MODAL ELEMENTS SUCH AS BUST PATHS, THE OTHER ELEMENTS I ADDED, BECAUSE WE'RE ADDING A RAISED MEDIAN THERE WILL BE EXCESS MANAGEMENT ISSUES, SOME DRIVEWAYS AND SIDE STREETS NOW THAT ARE RIGHT IN AND I MEAN FULL DEVELOPMENT, FULL DIRECTIONAL, WILL BE RIGHT IN, RIGHT OUT. JUST TO MEET A NEW CRITERIA, WITH EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT ON THIS PROJECT DEALING WITH --

WE'VE HAD TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS AND NUMEROUS MEETINGS WITH THE VARIOUS STAKEHOLDERS, INCLUDING A LOT OF COORDINATION WITH THE AIRPORT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE RUNWAY PROTECTION ZONE AND WITH OUR ROADWAY WHICH AFFECTS LIGHTING, POND SELECTION, ROADWAY GRADE AND EVERYTHING. THERE'S A NEW ILS FACILITY WE HAD TO AVOID. IT'S BEEN VERY COMPLEX PROJECT BUT A VERY CHALLENGING ONE THAT WE'VE ENJOYED WORKING ON. AS GERRI SAID, THE PROJECT IS NOT FUNDED FOR CONSTRUCTION BUT RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION BEGINNING IN 2018 AND JERRY SAID I'M HERE TO GET YOUR SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT AS D.O.T. IS TRYING TO DO ON ALL THEIR MAJOR PROJECTS. THANK YOU. IF ANYBODY HAS QUESTIONS I'LL TRY TO ANSWER THEM.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, I DO HAVE A QUESTION, SIR. I'M LOOKING BACK HERE, IF YOU COULD TAKE ME BACK TO THE DIAGRAM OF THE ROAD SLIDE.

THAT ONE?

THAT'S THE ONE. JUST KIND OF A QUESTION HERE, I'M LOOKING HERE, WE'VE GOT A 12-FOOT SHARED USE PATH, I'M GOING FROM LEFT TO RIGHT ON MY SCREEN.

YES, SIR.

WE HAVE A BICYCLE LANE, 12, 11, 11-FOOT MEDIAN, AN 11, 11, 12 BICYCLE LANE, AND THEN ANOTHER SIDE WALL.

YES, SIR.

WOULD IT NOT BE LESS EXPENSIVE OR MAYBE MAKE A LITTLE MORE SENSE TO MAKE A SHARED USE PATH ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE ROAD AND A SHARED USE PATH ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE ROAD, THEREFORE ELIMINATING THE BIKE PATHS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD?

THE BIKE PATH WITHIN THE ROADWAY IS MORE FOR THE LONG DISTANCE RIDERS, THE SERIOUS BICYCLISTS, THE BICYCLISTS THAT USE SHARED USE PATHS ARE THE RECREATIONAL, FROM THE APARTMENT TO SCHOOL OR THE KIDS, NOT SERIOUS RIDERS THAT TAKE THEIR 100-MILE BIKE RIDE. THEY DON'T WANT TO BE ON THE SIDEWALK.

THEY WILL STAY IN THE ROAD, TRUST ME, I'VE SEEN THEM.

THE REASON WE DID RATHER THE LANE WIDTHS, TO SAVE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY CONSTRUCTION COSTS, AND BUT WE STILL NEED ONE ON EACH DIRECTION FOR TRUCKS.

OKAY. WELL, THEN, GOING BACK, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE THEN TO SHRINK THE MEDIAN A LITTLE BIT AND WIDEN THAT SIDEWALK TO MAKE IT 9.5 MIXED USE PATH ON BOTH SIDES?

THE MEDIAN WIDTHS ARE SET. THERE'S MINIMUM WIDTHS, D.O.T. WILL ALLOW. IT'S MAINLY FOR WHEN YOU GET TO A SIGNALIZED INTERSECTION TO INCORPORATE A LEFT TURN LANE, THE WIDTH IS ALREADY THERE.

OKAY. I'M NOT AN ENGINEER. I DON'T EVEN PLAY ONE ON TV. YOU'RE SAFE THERE. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF IT WOULD MAKE MORE USE OR MORE SENSE IN

SOME WAY OR ANOTHER TO TRY TO MAKE A SHARED USE PATH ON BOTH WAYS BECAUSE IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BICYCLES, SOME OF THESE PEOPLE LIKE YOU SAID ARE NOT ON THE 100-MILE RIDE.

THAT'S CORRECT.

BUT THEY HAVE TO CROSS SIX LANES TO TO GET ON THE SHARED USE PATH TO GO TO SCHOOL OR THE STORE.

MOST OF THE PEOPLE, LOCALS USING THE SHARED USE PATH, MAY BELY WILL BE ORIGINATING FROM THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD. THAT'S WHERE THE APARTMENT -- NOT EVERYBODY.

I UNDERSTAND.

THERE ARE SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS WITH PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES TO CROSS THE ROAD AND CROSSWALKS, BUT FOR THE RECREATIONAL RIDER. OR THEY COULD -- IF THEY CHOOSE, THEY COULD USE A REGULAR ROADWAY. THEY HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS TO THE ROADWAY THE CARS DO. A LITTLE BIT MORE DANGEROUS BUT THEY GOT THE SAME RIGHTS.

YEAH.

I MEAN -- YEAH.

I WAS JUST LOOKING AT A SAFETY FACTOR, AND SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN IT -- I DRIVE ALL OVER THE PLACE. SOMETIMES I SEE THE YOUNGER CHILDREN, THEY ARE NOT ALSO BITTY TIKES BUT THEY ARE 10, 11, 12 YEARS OLD AND THEY JUST ZIP ACROSS THE ROAD ON A BICYCLE. OH, I CAN MAKE IT. IT UNNERVES ME. I'M LOOKING OUT FOR SAFETY.

WE CAN'T DESIGN FOR THAT.

WE TRY. WE DO OUR BEST.

WE TRY TO PROVIDE THE FACILITIES WE CAN. THANK YOU. MISS NORTHY, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU. YOU MADE A COMMENT ABOUT RESPONSIBILITY THAT THE CITY HAD SOME MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY AND THE COUNTY WAS GOING TO -- CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? I MISSED THAT.

YES, MA'AM. THE SIGNALS, TRAFFIC SIGNALS.

OKAY.

SEVEN OF THE FACILITIES THERE ARE INTERSECTIONS THAT ARE NOW MAINTAINED THE THE COUNTY, THE OTHER FOUR BY THE CITY OF DAYTONA BEACH. THE D.O.T. BUILDS THEM AND THEN THE LOCAL AGENCIES TAKE OVER THE MAINTENANCE OF THEM.

OKAY. I WASN'T SURE WHAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO. I'M WONDERING WITH THE BIKE PATH, 12-FOOT SHARED USE PATH WHICH I'M HAPPY TO SEE. IS THERE A MAINTENANCE ISSUE?

IT WILL BE MAINTAINED BY THE STATE. IT'S WITHIN STATE RIGHT OF WAY. EVEN THOUGH THE SIGNALS ARE ALSO WITHIN THE STATE RIGHT OF WAY, THEY ARE MAINTAINED BY LOCAL AGENCIES.

YOU'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN THAT BIKE PATH?

YES, MA'AM. SIDEWALKS, BIKE PATHS, IT'S ALL MAINTAINED.

THAT'S NEW. FDOT HAS BEEN COMING TO THE COUNTY ASKING US TO PICK UP THOSE COSTS SO I'M SURPRISED.

I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT BEEPING -- BEING THE CASE ON THIS PARTICULAR ROADWAY. YOU COULD BE RIGHT. I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT.

JERRY? JERRY IS CHOMPING AT THE BIT.

CLARIFICATION ON THE SIGNALS. SINCE THIS IS A STATE ROAD, THE COUNTY MAINTAINS -- G ERRI BRITAINTON, ENGINEER. THEY OFFER A PAYMENT TO THE COUNTY ON A SCHEDULE.

OH, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT.

SO DAYTONA BEACH IS ONE I THINK OF TWO CITIES THAT MAINTAIN THEIR SIGNALS THAT ARE WITHIN THEIR CORPORATE LIMITS. THAT'S WHY SOME OF THEM -- THOSE IN THE CITY LIMITS ARE MAINTAINED BY THE CITY WITH SOME PAYMENT FROM THE D.O.T.

OKAY.

AND COUNTY MAINTAINS THE BALANCE OF THEM, AND THERE IS A PAYMENT MADE ON A SCHEDULE FROM D.O.T.

OKAY. ON THE SING AMIZED -- SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS WHERE THE CROSSWALKS ARE PARTICULARLY, IS THERE A WAY TO DO A DIFFERENT ROAD TREATMENT ON THAT CROSSING PATH SO THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT THAT IS A CROSSING PATH? BECAUSE I'VE NOTICED AS WE'VE BECOME MORE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE FRIENDLY THAT SOMETIMES WHEN THE BUSY ROADS, WE'VE NOT MARKED THEM WELL. WE'VE NOT IDENTIFIED THEM SO THAT PEOPLE THAT ARE DRIVING RECOGNIZE IT AS A CROSSWALK, AND I WAS DOWN AT THE SUN RAIL STATION IN DEBARRY AND THEY USED A DIFFERENT IDENTIFICATION.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE LOOKED INTO BUT RIGHT NOW THE STATE WANTED TO USE THE STANDARD HIGH -- WHAT THEY CALL HIGH EMPHASIS CROSSWALKS.

TELL ME WHAT THAT MEANS.

THE SIDE BARS PLUS IN BETWEEN, WHAT I CALL A LADDER, WITH THE RUNGS IN BETWEEN, A LOW EMPHASIS OR JUST A STANDARD DOESN'T HAVE THE RUNGS IN BETWEEN. ALL THE SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS --

COULD YOU GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE? I'M TRYING TO VISUALIZE IT AND I'M NOT DOING A GOOD JOB.

TRY TO VISUALIZE, TAKE A LADDER AND LAY IT DOWN FLAT.

TAKING WHAT?

A LADDER.

A LADDER? OKAY.

IT'S GOT THE SIDES THAT GO UP AND DOWN AND THEN THE STEPS.

PAINTED?

IT'S ALL PAINTED. THEY DON'T NORMALLY DO PATTERNED CROSSWALKS LIKE YOU'RE REFERRING TO.

WELL, THEY DID IN DEBARRY.

ON CERTAIN OCCASIONS, OR IT COULD HAVE BEEN A COUNTY OR CITY PROJECT, I'M NOT SURE. GENERALLY SPEAKING D.O.T. DOESN'T, BUT THEY DO ON CERTAIN OCCASIONS, BUT THEY HAVE NOT INDICATED AS YET ON THIS PROJECT THAT THAT'S THE INTENT.

OKAY. GERRY, WHAT DOES THIS RESOLUTION MEAN FINANCIALLY?

GERRY BRINTON, COUNTY ENGINEER. THERE ARE NO FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS. ON THE LARGE PROJECTS, D.O.T. IS WANTING BEFORE THEY MOVE FORWARD IN, YOU KNOW, FUTURE YEARS PROGRAMMING CONSTRUCTION, MAKING SURE THE LOCAL JURISDICTION, CITY, COUNTY, WHOEVER ELSE IS INVOLVED, THE AIRPORT, THEY DON'T WANT TO COME BACK OBVIOUSLY LATER AND HAVE THE COUNTY --

IT'S AN AGREEMENT.

SUPPORT FOR THE PROJECT.

AT ONE TIME THERE WAS SOME COMMUNITY CONCERNS ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND WIDENING AND I'M ASSUMING THAT BECAUSE THIS IS BEFORE US NOW THAT'S ALL BEEN WORKED OUT.

AS I REMEMBER, IT WAS INITIALLY PROPOSED PERHAPS BY THE TPO TO HAVE INTERCHANGES AT THE MAJOR -- AT THE TWO ENDS OF BEVILLE, THAT WOULD WIPE OUT DEVELOPMENT LIKE CRAZY. THOSE INTERCHANGESES ARE NOT IN THIS PROPOSAL. ONE OF THE BIG THINGS PUSHED BY THE COUNTY, CITY, EMBRY RIDDLE WAS THE SHARED USE PATH.

OH, I'M -- YOU KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THAT. YEAH, THAT'S REALLY GOOD.

I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT THEY'VE -- THAT THEY WANT THE COUNTY TO BE INVOLVED IN MAINTENANCE, I'M GUESSING ON THIS ONE SINCE IT'S TAKING THE PLACE OF A SIDEWALK THAT THEY WOULD OTHERWISE BE PUTTING IN, AND IT'S AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT, I'M ASSUMING THAT WILL BE MAINTAINED BY THE STATE.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

SPEAKING OF PEDESTRIAN SIGNALS, WHILE WE'RE ON THE SUBJECT, THERE ARE SOME OF THE INTERSECTIONS THAT WILL BE AUDIBLE PEDESTRIAN SIGNALS FOR THE BLIND.

WOULD THEY NOT ALL BE AUDIBLES?

AUDIBLE, THAT MEANS THEY PUSH THE BUTTON, IT WILL TELL THEM WHEN THEY CAN CROSS.

IT CHIRPS AT THEM, YEAH.

IT TALKS TO THEM.

WOULDN'T THAT BE ON ALL OF THEM WHERE THEY ARE CROSSWALKS?

THERE'S ONLY CERTAIN INTERSECTIONS WHERE -- THE REALLY BUSY ONES. WHERE IT'S MORE CRITICAL THAN OTHERS. D.O.T. DOESN'T GENERALLY PUT THEM EVERY WHERE. BUT THEY ARE PUTTING THEM IN SOME LOCATIONS, SO THAT'S AN IMPROVEMENT.

BUT THAT'S A REALLY BUSY ROAD AND THEY OUGHT TO BE PUTTING THEM AT EVERY INTERSECTION.

I AGREE.

AND EVERY CROSSWALK, IT SHOULD BE AUDIBLE ON ANY KIND OF URBAN -- I'LL TAKE THAT UP IN TPO.

THAT ISSUE CAME UP DURING OUR PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT, INITIALLY WE WEREN'T DOING IT ANYWHERE. SO THAT WAS AN IMPROVEMENT.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. MR.DANIELS, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING BEFORE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, COMING AND TALKING ABOUT THE VARIOUS ROAD PROJECTS GOING ON, THE INTERCHANGE AT 92 AND I-4 AND ALL OF THAT. THE VARIOUS OTHER PROJECTS YOU'RE WORKING ON, I KNOW THEY ARE NUMEROUS, YOU HAVE BEEN VERY INSTRUMENTAL IN GETTING QUITE A LOT OF MONEY FOR THOSE PROJECTS, AND HAVE A NUMBER OF OTHERS IN THE WORKS. I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HEARING WHAT YOU'RE UP TO, IF EVERYBODY ELSE WOULD.

WELL, ONE OF THE OTHER MAJOR PROJECTS WE'RE WORKING ON FOR THE COUNTY --

HOLD ON FOR A SECOND. WE HAVE TO TAKE A CONSENSUS ON THAT. WE'RE SPEAKING TO AN ISSUE HERE OF ITEM 6 FOR D.O.T., IT'S UP TO THE COUNCIL TO DECIDE IF THEY WANT TO HEAR AN UPDATE OR IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE HAVE HER COME IN AND EXPLAIN MORE OF THE FUN THINGS LIKE -- I DO BELIEVE YOU SAID EARLIER SHE WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO COMING HERE AND GIVING US AN UPDATE FOR EVERYTHING SHE IS DOING.

YES, SIR.

MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY.

I UNDERSTAND.

GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THIS ONE TODAY BUT MAYBE DOWN THE ROAD HAVE THE FIRM COME BACK AND TALK ABOUT THE VARIOUS THINGS THEY HAVE DONE, WHICH HAVE BEEN PRETTY REMARKABLE IN THE THINGS THEY ARE WORKING ON ARE VERY REMARKABLE ALSO.

THANK YOU.

COULD WE NOT -- WE HAVE ROAD PROGRAM WORKSHOP THAT COMES UP I THINK NEXT MONTH, DOESN'T IT, JIM, IN JUNE?

YEAH, QUITE FRANKLY IT WILL HELP ME FILL IN A GAP WHEN WE HAVE NO PROBLEM. WE HAVE TIME ON OUR HANDS.

THERE WE GO.

WE ACTUALLY -- THAT WOULD BE A REALLY GOOD THING. IT WOULD SHOW WE CAN BRING THEM IN. I THINK WE'LL BRING IN D.O.T. AND HE AWAY -- AND WE WITH TALK ABOUT WHAT'S IN THE PIPELINE, WHAT'S GOING ON AND WHAT'S IN THE PIPELINE. IT'S A GOOD MINI BUDGET AND I'LL SCHEDULE IT AND I SAY THAT SOMEWHAT FACETIOUSLY BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE ROAD PROGRAM WE ONCE HAD WHICH IS ALL THE MORE REASON TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON AND WHERE OUR NEEDS ARE. YEAH, I'LL BE GLAD TO DO IT.

THANK YOU.

I MISUNDERSTOOD AND THOUGHT YOU WANTED TO DO THAT THIS MOMENT. I APOLOGIZE. MISS DENYS ON THE FLOOR.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION?

NO MOTION.

MOVE TO APPROVE.

MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND.

I HAVE A SECOND FROM MR. PATTERSON. FURTHER DISCUSSION?

MR. CHAIR. GERRY BRINTON, COULD I REQUEST A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE DESIGN FIRM GO BACK AND TAKE THAT REQUEST THAT THE STATE CONSIDER PUTTING AUDIBLE CROSSINGS AS WELL AS THE MORE EMPHASIZED CROSSWALKS?

YEAH.

THEY ARE THE REPRESENTATIVE, LET THEM TAKE IT BACK AS WELL.

THANK YOU. YES, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. CAN WE INCLUDE THAT?

CAN WE CHANGE THIS? DO WE NEED TO CHANGE THE RESOLUTION TO DO THAT?

WELL, WE CAN. ALL SHE HAS TO DO IS MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THAT.

MISS DENYS, YOU CAN MAKE THE CHANGE.

SO MOVED. I INCLUDE IT IN THE RECOMMENDATION, ABSOLUTELY.

IT'S A GOOD IDEA, GERRY,.

A SECOND?

ROCK AND ROLL, WE'RE GOOD TO GO. MR.WAGNER?

YES. THANK YOU FOR COMING IN. I THOUGHT THE PRESENTATION WAS WELL DONE.

WHEN SOMEBODY TURNS ON THE LIGHT I CAN'T SEE ANYTHING. THERE YOU GO. I COULDN'T SEE IT ON THE OTHER. WE'LL WORK THAT THROUGH. ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY. SEEING NONE, THE MOTION FOR APPROVAL FOR THE D.O.T. -- FDOT PROPOSED PLAN TO WIDEN AND RECONSTRUCT CLYDE MORRIS BOULEVARD SECONDS. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, SIGNIFY BY AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED?

AS MODIFIED.

AS MODIFIED, THEY WILL TAKE IT BACK FOR THE AUDIBLE SOUNDS FOR AUDIBLE CROSSWALKS FOR THE BLIND. ALL RIGHT. NUMBER SEVEN, THE RESOLUTION APPEAL OF CITY OF EDGEWATER ANNEXATION AND INITIATION OF CONFLICT RESOLUTION PROCEEDINGS. MR.ECKERT WILL YOU BE SPEAKING?

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. MISS SEAMAN AND MISS McGEE MAY ALSO ADDRESS THE ISSUE. WE PLACED BEFORE YOU FOR CONSIDERATION A RESOLUTION CHALLENGING A PARTICULAR ANNEXATION BY THE CITY OF EDGEWATER WHICH WE BELIEVE TO BE LEGALLY OBJECTIONABLE INITIATING THE CONFLICT RESOLUTION PROCEDURE AND AUTHORIZING THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO FILE PETITION CHALLENGING THE ANNEXATION WHICH WOULD BE ABATED DURING THE PENDENCY OF THE CONFLICT RESOLUTION PROCEDURE. IF THE COUNTY COUNCIL INTENDS TO BACK UP THE COUNTY COUNCIL OBJECTED TO THE ANNEXATION, THE CITY WENT AHEAD NOT WITHSTANDING THAT OBJECTION, AND YOU PASSED LAST MEETING A RESPONSE TO THE CITY'S INVITATION TO ENTER INTO DISCUSSIONS OF AN INTERLOCAL SERVICE BOUNDARY AGREEMENT. HOWEVER, WHILE THE COUNTY COUNCIL MAY FIND THIS ANNEXATION NOT TO BE OBJECTIONABLE, IF THERE WERE INTERLOCAL SERVICE BOUNDARY AGREEMENT, THE TIME -- THIS PROCEDURE, ONE OF THE OTHER OR BOTH OF THESE THINGS WOULD NEED TO BE DONE DURING THE TIME TO CHALLENGE THE ANNEXATION WHICH WOULD BE 30 DAYS FROM THE DATE OF THE CITY'S ACTION WHICH WAS ON APRIL 8th. SO TO PRESERVE YOUR POSITION, IN THIS MATTER, WE RECOMMEND THAT YOU ADOPT A RESOLUTION, WE WILL TAKE STEPS TO INITIATE THE CONFLICT RESOLUTION PROCESS, WE WILL FILE A PETITION, WHICH COULD BE DONE AT A LATER POINT IN TIME BUT FOR

PROCEDURE REASONS WE BELIEVE BEST TO FILE IT NOW. IT'S STILL ABATED. AND WE WOULD GO FORTH WITH THE CONFLICT RESOLUTION PROCESS. I HAVE SEEN -- I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK TO THEM THIS MORNING BUT I'VE SEEN THE CITY ATTORNEY AND CITY MANAGER IN THE AUDIENCE. WE CAN DISCUSS WITH THEM AT A LATER POINT IN TIME WHETHER OR NOT IT MIGHT BE WORTHWHILE TO CONSIDER DEFERRING THIS PROCESS, 164, AS CAN BE AGREED BY STATUTE WHILE WE DISCUSS THE INTERLOCAL SERVICE BOUNDARY AGREEMENT OR PROCEED WITH IT IN PARALLEL.

WE DO RECOMMEND THE ADOPTION OF THE THIS RESOLUTION, IF YOU FIND THE ANNEXATION TO BE OBJECTIONABLE, I DO HAVE SOME MAPS, IF YOU -- OR VISUAL AIDS IF THAT'S OF CONCERN TO YOU. HOWEVER, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A PROCESS DISCUSSION. THIS WOULD -- THE MAP SCENARIO AND PHOTOGRAPHY WOULD JUST SHOW THE -- MAYBE WE SHOULD PUT IT UP. MISS HILLSON? I'M NOT SURE HOW WELL YOU CAN SEE THAT. JUST ONE MOMENT. THE PHOTOGRAPH WHICH IS ON THE SCREEN AND I'VE GIVEN PAPER COPIES TO COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO I HAD NOT GIVEN PREVIOUSLY THIS WEEK DEPICTS THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION, SHOWN AS A FISHERMAN'S COVE PROPERTY, THE CONTIGUITY WOULD BE ESTABLISHED BY THE NARROW STRIP WHICH ABUTS U.S. 1, THE CITY SOME YEARS AGO ANNEXED U.S. 1, THE TEXACO STATION IS IN OKAY HILL, THERE'S CONTIGUITY WITH OKAY -- OAK HILL. THE RPUD IN THE COUNTY, WE KNOW OF NO DEVELOPMENT ISSUES THAT WOULD BE ENCOUNTED BY THE OWNER IN THE COUNTY. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING, AND I'VE NOT HAD DIRECT CONTACT WITH THE OWNER, THERE WOULD BE A PREFERENCE TO DEVELOP WITH THE CITY. IF YOU CAN SHOW THE 11 X 17 PHOTOGRAPHY THIS SHOWS THE RED BOUNDARY IS -- IT SHOWS THE LOWER RIGHT PORTION OR MAYBE THE RIGHT HALF, BETTER PUT, OF THE INTERLOCAL SERVICE BOUNDARY AGREEMENT. YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE FAR SOUTHEASTERN PORTION OF THE PROPERTY, AND THERE'S AN INSERT, YOU CAN SLIDE IT DOWN. THANK YOU. WHICH SHOWS THIS PROPERTY, AGAIN, AS DEPICTED ON THE PHOTOGRAPHY, THE INTERLOCAL SERVICE BOUNDARY AGREEMENT, JUST NORTH OF OAK HILL. SO IF THE COUNTY COUNCIL, AS I SAY, OBJECTED TO THE ANNEXATION, IF YOU WISH TO -- AND THE CITY WENT FORWARD, NOT WITHSTANDING ANNEXATION TO REPEAT, AND TO PRESERVE YOUR PETITION, WE RECOMMEND ADOPTION OF THIS RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE INITIATION OF THE CONFLICT RESOLUTION PROCEDURE AND FILING OF THE PETITION. IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, MYSELF OR MISS SEA MAN OR MISS McGEE CAN ADDRESS THEM.

THANK YOU. MR.PATTERSON, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

I WANT TO MOVE APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION.

WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL, SECONDED BY MISS NORTHY. WE DO HAVE TWO INDIVIDUALS WHO WISH TO SPEAK, MR. -- AARON?

AARON.

AARON WOLF AND MISS BARLOW. THEY WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK ON THE PARTICULAR ISSUE, OF COURSE. IS THERE ANY FURTHER COMMENT OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR FROM -- ALL RIGHT. MR.WOLF, ARE YOU THE CITY ATTORNEY FOR EDGEWATER.

YES, MR. CHAIRMAN. GOOD MORNING.

NAME, ADDRESS, WE WILL SET THE TIMER FOR THREE MINUTES.

OKAY. AARON WOLF, EDGEWATER CITY ATTORNEY, 1020 WEST INTERNATIONAL SPEEDWAY BOULEVARD, DAYTONA BEACH. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS A VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION, FOR VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION THERE'S TWO REQUIREMENTS THAT MUST BE MET, THE PROPERTY MUST BE CONTIGUOUS TO THE CITY AND ALSO REASONABLY COMPACT, WE BELIEVE THE SUBJECT PARCEL SATISFIES BOTH OF THESE REQUIREMENTS, AND WOULD ASK THAT YOU NOT GO FORWARD WITH THE OBJECTION TO THE ANNEXATION. CONTIGUOUS MEANS UNDER THE STATUTES THAT A SUBSTANTIAL PART OF THE A BOUNDARY OF THE TERRITORY SOUGHT TO BE ANNEXED BY A CITY IS CO-TERMINUS WITH A PART OF THE BOUNDARY OF THE CITY. IN THIS CASE, THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS RECTANGULAR AND THE WESTERN BOUNDARY IS CO-TERMINUS WITH THE CITY, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO ACCESS THE PROPERTY. THE STATUTE DOES NOT ALLOW RIGHT OF WAYS TO BE ANNEXED IN A CORRIDOR FASHION TO GAIN CONTIGUITY, THAT'S NOT WHAT HAPPENED HERE, THE RIGHT OF WAY WAS ANNEXED ALMOST TEN YEARS AGO, WITHOUT OBJECTION, AND THE CITY HAS SERVICED AND MAINTAINED RIGHT OF WAY EVER SINCE. SO THE RIGHT OF WAY HAS BEEN A BOUNDARY OF THE CITY FOR YEARS, AND IS CO-TERMINUS WITH THE PART OF THE BOUNDARY OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL, SO WE BELIEVE THE SUBJECT PARCEL IS CONTIGUOUS, AND WE ALSO BELIEVE THAT IT IS REASONABLY COMPACT. UNDER THE STATUTES, COMPACTNESS MEANS THE CONCENTRATION IN A SINGLE AREA. WE DO NOT BELIEVE MAINTAINING A RIGHT OF WAY WITH UNINCORPORATED PROPERTY ON EITHER SIDE WOULD CREATE AN ENCLAVE AS CONTEMPLATED BY THE STATUTE. THE PROPERTY IS ALSO CONCENTRATED IN A SINGLE AREA. ALSO, THE ANNEXATION WOULD NOT CREATE A FINGER AREA IN A SERPENTINE PATTERN, AS NOT ALLOWED BY THE STATUTE. IT'S A RECTANGULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY WHICH IS CONTIGUOUS TO THE CITY BOUNDARY. WE BELIEVE THAT THIS VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE STATUTE, AND WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU NOT GO FORWARD WITH THE OBJECTION. HOWEVER, IF YOU DO FEEL NECESSARY TO PROCEED TO PRESERVE YOUR RIGHT TO OBJECT, WE WOULD ASK THAT THE COUNTY CONSIDER WAIVING THIS TIME PERIOD UNDER THE CONFLICT RESOLUTION STATUTE, THE STATUTE SPECIFICALLY ALLOWS FOR THAT AND MR. EKRERT ALLUDED TO THAT IN HIS STATEMENTS. IT WILL TAKE TIME TO INITIATE AN INTERLOCAL SERVICE AGREEMENT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, SIR. MR.BARLOW?

HOW ARE YOU DOING, TRACY?

GREAT.

IDENTIFY YOURSELF, NAME AND POSITION.

TRACY BARLOW, CITY MANAGER, CITY OF EDGEWATER, 104 NORTH RIVERSIDE DRIVE.

THREE MINUTES, SIR.

THANK YOU. IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND WITH YOU THIS MORNING. I WANT TO REITERATE THIS IS A VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION REQUEST, A DEVELOPER THAT HAD A SUCCESSFUL PROJECT PREVIOUSLY IN THE CITY OF EDGES ABOUT WATER PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, CORAL TRACE TOWARDS THE INTERSTATE. THE AREA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS EVENING IS A SMALL AREA BETWEEN --

KIND OF THE MAJORITY OF EDGEWATER THERE'S DEVELOPMENT TODAY, THE CITY OF OAK HILL, I CALL A CHOPPED UP MESS AS TO WHO PROVIDES SERVICE, DURING THE UNINCORPORATED, INCORPORATED AREA ITSELF. AN ALSO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS IN THE GENERAL GROSS GENERAL AREA OF CHAPTER 180 UTILITY SERVICE AREA WHICH WAS ADOPTED IN A COMP PLAN SEVERAL YEARS AGO, APPROVED BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA, BY VOLUSIA COUNTY AS WELL AS VOLUSIA GROWTH MANAGEMENT COMMISSION WITHOUT OBJECTION. WE'RE GOING TO USE THE SAME BOUNDARY SUBSEQUENTLY, THE BOUNDARY FOR THE INTERLOCAL BOUNDARY AGREEMENT PREVIOUSLY REFERENCED. WE'VE DONE THE ISBA, OVER EIGHT YEARS AGO WHEN WE STARTED NEGOTIATING, CLEANING UP THE UTILITY MESS BETWEEN THE TWO CITIES, ABSOLUTELY. UNFORTUNATELY, I CAN'T TURN BACK TIME. BUT THIS IS WHERE WE ARE TODAY. ALSO I WANT TO REMIND YOU THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE SEEN INTEREST FOR A PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA SOUTHEAST VOLUSIA, SINCE BEFORE THE RECESSION. SO IT'S CERTAINLY DEVELOPMENT THAT'S NEEDED IN THE AREA OF SOUTHEAST VOLUSIA WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT, CONTRIBUTING TO YOUR WASTE WATER TREATMENT PLANT WHICH IS LOCATED IN OAK HILL, AND YOU WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL FLOW TO KEEP THAT PLANT BALANCED AS WELL. SO THERE'S A BENEFIT THERE AS WELL. THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF IS PLANNED TO BE A 63-UNIT PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT, SITE-BUILT HOMES, PLANNED TO BE A GATED COMMUNITY, WHICH MEANS THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION WILL BE RESPONSIBLE TO MAINTAIN ALL OF THE ROADS, THE RIGHT OF WAYS, EVERYTHING WITHIN THOSE GATES, YOU KNOW, AT THE COST OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION VERSUS THE COST TO TAXPAYERS. ALSO I WANT TO REMIND YOU ACTUALLY WITH THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE AN NIXED -- ANNEXED IN EDGEWATER, THEY WOULD BE BURDENED DO MANAGE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, CODE ENFORCEMENT, FIRE SERVICES, COMES DOWN TO OTHER GENERAL FUND MAINTENANCE AND THE COUNTY STILL MAINTAINS 100% OF THE COUNTY GENERAL FUND TAXES PAID BY THEM WITHOUT HAVING THOSE BURDENS. ONCE AGAIN, BEFORE I RUN OUT OF TIME, IT IS -- I URGE YOU TO REALLY CONSIDER THIS OBJECTION AND ALLOW US TO CONTRIBUTE THE TIME TO RESOLVING THE SERVICE-RELATED ISSUES IN THE SMALL AREA BETWEEN EDGEWATER AND OAK HILL VERSUS HAVING TO DIVERT OUR ATTENTION TO, YOU KNOW, ARGUING THE LEGALITY OF THIS ANNEXATION. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME?

I DON'T KNOW. BUT WE WILL LET YOU KNOW IN A MOMENT. MR.DANIELS, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. DAN, IF YOU WOULD, WHY WOULD WE OBJECT TO THIS? WHAT WOULD BE THE REASONS, WHAT WOULD BE THE POLICY REASONS?

OR MISS SEAMAN, YOU SEEM TO BE READY.

I THINK MISS SEAMAN WILL CHIME IN. I JUST DISAGREE WITH MR. WOLF'S ANALYSIS OF THE STATUTE HERE. I THINK THIS IS AN OBJECTIONABLE ANNEXATION BUT FOR THE ISBA.

I TOO DISAGREE WITH MR. WOLF'S INTERPRETATION, IT'S SERPENTINE, CAUSES ENCLAVES, THE CONTIGUITY IS LESS THAN 2% OF THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY, VERY SIMILAR, NOT IN MAGNITUDE BUT IN TYPE AS THE LEFFLER ANNEXATION WITH THE CITY OF DELTONA, WE TREAT OUR CITIES THE SAME. I CANNOT IMAGINE SAYING, WELL, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THIS TO EDGEWATER BUT WE DID IT TO DELTONA. WHEN THEY OVERREACH, THEY OVERREACH. HAVING SAID THAT, THE ISBA WILL RESOLVE IT. THE CASE LAW IS CITED AND WE FEEL STRONGLY THAT YOU MUST STREET YOUR CITIES EQUITIABLY.

THANK YOU. I HAVE TO CONCUR WITH THAT DEFINITION. I'VE NOT SEEN CONTIGUANCE. I LIVE OUT THERE. YOU GO DOWN THE ROAD. APPARENTLY JUST PAST THE AMERICAN LEGION THERE'S A FINGER THAT SHOOTS OUT, AND THAT'S IT. I DO HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH, LOOKING AT THIS, AND THEN LOOKING AT THIS BIG 18 -- THIS HUGE MAP WE HAVE HERE. ACCORDING TO THIS MAP I'M NOT EVEN IN EDGEWATER. EDGEWATER CITY LIMITS ENDS AT WILLOW OAK DRIVE. I LIVE ON EWELL.

I DON'T KNOW WHO GENERATED THAT MAP BUT YOU'RE CLEARLY IN EDGEWATER.

I THOUGHT I WAS.

IF NOT, I WAS GOING TO SAY YOU OWE ME SOME MONEY FOR WATER.

YOU'RE CLEARLY IN EDGEWATER. I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE REFERENCES.

A MAP, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE MAP CAME FROM. I SEE ALL THESE LITTLE -- THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN A QUESTION I'VE ALWAYS HAD. IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE DOING SHOTGUN ANNEXATIONS WITH HOLES HERE, LITTLE HOLES EVERYWHERE. YOU POINTED OUT A QUESTION ABOUT THE MAP. 27th STREET ON THE EAST SIDE OF U.S. 1, THERE'S A SECTION THERE THAT'S NOT INCORPORATED. OAK LANE, LUCAS LANE, RAGIS ROAD, THESE ARE ON THE NORTH SIDE. AND NOW WE WANT -- INSTEAD OF TRYING TO FILL IN THE NORTH WE'RE COMING DOWN SOUTH AND WE WANT TO DO THIS THING DOWN SOUTH. JUST CURIOUS WHAT'S THE METHOD HERE FOR TRYING TO INCORPORATE.

YOU'RE CORRECT. ONCE AGAIN, AS YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T ALWAYS BEEN HERE. I'M NOT BLAMING THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION OR ANYTHING ELSE BUT THERE IS A LOT OF DIFFERENT ENCLAVES, AND THAT'S WHERE THIS ISBA WILL HELP BY RESOLVING THOSE BECAUSE IT HAS ACTUALLY BECOME A CHALLENGE TO SERVICE THOSE, WHETHER IT'S THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT SERVICES THOSE OR CITY OF EDGEWATER. THIS IS FOR THE TAXPAYERS WE SERVE, THE BEST INTEREST AS TO RESOLVE THAT. THE ISBA IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE 8 YEARS AGO WHEN WE NEGOTIATED UTILITIES. I CANNOT TURN BACK TIME. I URGE IF WE CONTINUE WITH THE OBJECTION, I MEAN IF YOU CONTINUE WITH THE OBJECTION LET'S GO AHEAD AND GRANT THE TIME PERIOD AND THEN ALLOWS US TO -- THE ULTIMATE GOAL, MANAGE MY OBJECTIVE, PROVIDE THE MOST COST EFFICIENT SERVICES TO THOSE WE SERVE IN AN INCORPORATED AREA OR NOT WITHIN THE REGION, AND THE ISBA WILL ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN. THAT'S WHERE OUR TIME AND ENERGY SHOULD BE DIVERTED, RESOLVING IT THERE RATHER THAN NEGOTIATING OR DEBATING THE LEGALITY WHEN YOU HAVE TWO ATTORNEYS WITH OPPOSING OPINIONS.

WE GET THAT A LOT HERE. YEAH, REALLY.

DEFINITELY.

OVER TIME WE WOULD LIKE TO RESOLVE THE ANNEXATION ENCLAVE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THE COUNCIL, THE CITY OR COUNTY THAT HAS THE HARD TO DO THE FORCED ANNEXATIONS.

ALL RIGHT. WELL, YOU'VE ANSWERED MY -- MY PERSONAL OPINION IS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE YOU CLEAN UP THE SHOTGUN HOLES WE HAVE OUT NORTH AND THEN TRY TO SLOWLY MOVE DOWN SOUTH LIKE YOU SAID, SQUARE IT OFF, KEEP IT SQUARE. IT MAKES IT NEATER, EASIER TO MAINTAIN. FROM A SERVICE POINT OF VIEW, I MEAN, YOU GOT TO GO TO THE AMERICAN LEGION DOWN THERE, 285, AND FARTHER PAST THAT JUST FOR THIS ONE LITTLE ROAD WHICH DOES, IN MY MIND AND FROM LOOKING AT THE MAP, LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD BE MORE OF A PAIN TO SERVICE WITH AMBULANCE, FIRE, LAW ENFORCEMENT, WATER, SEWER, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. STORM DRAIN AND ALL THE OTHER GOOD THINGS. IT LOOKS LIKE IT WOULD BE MORE OF A COST INEFFECTIVENESS THAN TO GO TO AZALEA ROAD AND INCORPORATE THAT. MISS DENYS, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU, MR. BARLOW, FOR YOUR STRAIGHTFORWARD CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNCIL. JUST FOR THE RECORD, MR. CHAIR, YOU SAID WE'RE DOING THIS THING DOWN SOUTH. THIS WAS INSTIGATED BY A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWN, AN INDIVIDUAL WANTING TO ANNEX. IT'S NOT THE CITY AND COUNTY REQUESTING THE ANNEXATION. THIS IS DONE BY PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER, CORRECT?

CORRECT.

JUST SO WE HAVE THIS SET IN MOTION. THAT SETS THIS IN MOTION. AND LIKE YOU SAID, HERE IS MY CONCERN. IF THE ISBA IS THE REMEDY OR THE CURE FOR THE SITUATION, AND OBVIOUSLY WE'RE IN AGREEMENT, BOTH PARTIES IN AGREEMENT GOING FORWARD, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AT THE END, I'M NOT SURE BUT I GUESS WE'RE IN AGREEMENT. IS THAT TRUE, DAN? AM I STATING THAT CORRECTLY? OR JAMIE, SOMEBODY?

JAMIE SEAMAN, DEPUTY COUNTY ATTORNEY. YES, IT'S SIMILAR TO NEW SMYRNA, WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH ORMON BEACH. YOU CAN ABATE THE INTERLOCAL DISPUTE RESOLUTION ACT IN THE INTERIM WHILE WE NEGOTIATE THAT INTERLOCAL SERVICE BOUNDARY AGREEMENT BUT I WOULD REMIND YOU THE INTERLOCAL SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH NEW SMYRNA BEACH TOOK 2 1/2 YEARS.

I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY, THE UNFORTUNATE THING IN THIS POSTURING, HONESTLY, IS THAT THE CITY WENT AHEAD WITH THE ANNEXATION REQUEST, IF WE HAD JUST STUCK WITH ISBA AND WORKED THROUGH THAT MAYBE WE WOULDN'T BE IN THIS POSTURE, BETWEEN A ROCK AND A HARD PLACE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION, UNFORTUNATELY AS A COUNCIL, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, WE HAVE TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS PROCESS. IS THAT AN ACCURATE STATEMENT, JAMIE?

I THINK COUNCIL SHOULD PRESERVE ITS RIGHTS. BUT AS I STATED, MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD, BUT I THOUGHT I HEARD BOTH MR. BARLOW AND MR. WOLF SAY WE SHOULD ABATE THE DISPUTE RESOLUTION TEMPORARILY WHILE WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ISBA. WE WILL PASS THE RESOLUTION, INITIATE IT BUT THEN SET IT ASIDE AND FOCUS ON THE INTERLOCAL SERVICE BOUNDARY?

WE'VE AGREED TO RECOGNIZE THAT TIME EXPANSION BUT WE STILL URGE YOU NOT TO GO FORWARD. WE'VE AGREED IF YOU GO FORWARD WITH THE OBJECTION, YEAH, WE'VE AGREED TO ABATE THE TIME ASSOCIATED WITH THE CONFLICT RESOLUTION.

OKAY. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT, MRS. DENYS?

I DO, YES. I'M GOING TO GET CLARIFICATION, MISS CUSACK. I HAVE ONE OF MY COLLEAGUE ATTORNEYS NOT UNDERSTANDING SO THIS IS A GOOD DAY FOR ME TOO, COMPREHEND LEVELS HERE,.

JAMIE SEAMAN. THERE ARE STATUTORY DEADLINES, YOU HAVE TO MEET IN A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD, MAKE CERTAIN PROGRESS WITHIN A TIME PERIOD, AND WHAT THEY ARE ASKING US IS IF YOU'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS RESOLUTION, INITIATING THE DISPUTE RESOLUTION, AND THE ATTENTION FOR CERT THAT WE SEEK AN EXTENSION OF TIME AND SET ASIDE THE PETITION FOR CERT WITH THE COURT AS WELL AS DISPUTE RESOLUTION TIME PERIODS AND WE GO STRAIGHT TO NEGOTIATING THE INTERLOCAL SERVICE BOUNDARY AGREEMENT, IF WE'RE UNABLE TO NEGOTIATE THE INTERLOCAL SERVICE BOUNDARY AGREEMENT THEN WE CAN STEP BACK INTO THE DISPUTE RESOLUTION PROCESS IS WHAT I THINK I'M HEARING THEM SAY.

I CONCUR.

COULD YOU PLEASE DEFINE THE WORD "CERT"?

IT'S A PETITION FOR REVIEW, CERTORIAA. IT'S THE APPEAL PROCESS OF THE CITY'S ANNEXATION. I JUST WAS GOING TO SAY THAT THE CITY'S COMMENTS RESPOND TO ACTUALLY THOSE I MADE IN THE RECORD TWO WEEKS AGO, THAT I'VE MENTIONED TO THOSE COUNCIL MEMBERS WITH WHOM I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK, THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO CONFLICT RESOLUTION PROCESSES GOING ON HERE, AND WE WOULD NOT -- WELL, TO REPEAT AT THIS POINT, WE WOULD BE SUSPENDING OR DEFERRING THE TIME, THE 164 CONFLICT RESOLUTION PROCESS WE'RE INITIATING AND FOCUSING THE EFFORTS ON THE INTERLOCAL SERVICE BOUNDARY AGREEMENT. I THINK WE'RE SAYING THE SAME THING IN THAT REGARD AT THIS POINT.

THAT'S NOT THE MOTION IT'S ON FLOOR CURRENTLY.

WELL, YOU HAVE TO INITIATE THIS, YOU CAN CONTINUE THE TIME LIMITS. IF YOU'RE GOING TO CONTEST THE ANNEXATION, YOU SHOULD PASS THIS RESOLUTION. YOU CAN EXTEND THE TIME LIMITS WHICH ARE PROVIDED FOR IT, IN THIS MORE PARTICULAR 164 PROCESS, WHILE YOU FOCUS YOUR EFFORTS ON THE ISBA, BUT TO BE CLEAR, IF YOU INTEND TO -- IF YOU THINK YOU MIGHT WANT TO ANNEX, EVEN MIGHT WANT TO, GO FORWARD WITH AN OBJECTION TO THIS ANNEXATION, IN THE EVENT YOU DON'T REACH AGREEMENT ON THE INTERLOCAL SERVICE BOUNDARY AGREEMENT, YOU SHOULD ADOPT THE RESOLUTION WHICH IS IN FRONT OF YOU. YOU WILL HAVE WAIVED YOUR OBJECTION.

IS THIS GOING TO TAKE TWO MOTIONS THEN?

NO.

JAMIE SAYING YES. YOU'RE SAYING NO.

I WOULD URGE YOU TO FIRST ADOPT THE RESOLUTION AND WE CAN CONFER WITH THE CITY ON AN AGREEMENT TO EXTEND THE TIMES.

THERE'S NO -- MR. WOLF IS NODDING HIS HEAD. THE PARTIES CAN AGREE TO EXTEND THE TIMES, AND BUT YOU FIRST SHOULD ADOPT THE RESOLUTION WHICH IS IN FRONT OF YOU. YOU CAN GIVE US DIRECTION FOLLOWING THAT.

I'M GOING TO PASS IT ON TO MY COLLEAGUES AND HEAR THEIR CONVERSATION. THANK YOU.

MISS CUSACK?

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. YOU KNOW, I HAVE NOT VOTED, MY RECORD INDICATES I'VE NOT VOTED IN SUPPORT OF ANNEXATION. IT'S THAT WE, THE CITY, AND THE COUNTY, IMPOSE, BUT I'VE ALWAYS SUPPORTED VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION. TODAY I'M ASKED TO DO JUST THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT I'VE DONE FOR THE THREE YEARS I'VE BEEN HERE. AND SO I HAVE SOME HEARTBURN WITH THIS. AND I'M NOT -- AND ANOTHER THING THAT GIVES ME THAT HEARTBURN IS I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S JUST ME, BUT THIS IS NOT CLEAR TO ME AS TO EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE EXPECTING THAT WE WOULD DO, THE ISBA WOULD RESOLVE THIS, BUT YOU'RE SAYING WE STILL HAVE TO ADOPT THIS RESOLUTION AND THEN IF YOU DON'T GO INTO NEGOTIATIONS, TO TRY TO RESOLVE, WHY IS IT NECESSARY THAT WE ADOPT THIS, IN ONE PIECE, RATHER THAN TWO PIECES? THAT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME. MAYBE IT'S CLEAR TO EVERYONE ELSE. I'LL VOTE THE WAY I SEE FIT TO VOTE, BUT I DON'T -- I'M NOT CLEAR ON THIS.

THE ANNEXATION WHICH IS BEFORE YOU, WE BELIEVE TO BE LEGALLY OBJECTIONABLE. CONTRARY TO THE OPINION THAT THE CITY HAS OFFERED. IF YOU WISH TO CONTEST THE ANNEXATION, YOU MUST DO ONE -- YOU SHOULD ADOPT -- IF YOU FIND THE ANNEXATION TO BE OBJECTIONABLE, WITHOUT THE PRESENCE OF THE INTERLOCAL SERVICE BOUNDARY AGREEMENT, YOU SHOULD ADOPT THE RESOLUTION THAT'S BEFORE YOU. IF YOU -- AT THAT POINT YOU CAN ALSO GIVE US DIRECTION TO SUSPEND THIS CONFLICT RESOLUTION PROCESS WHILE WE SPEND OUR TIME ON THE OTHER THAT YOU APPROVED TWO WEEKS AGO. IF YOU DO NOT ADOPT THE RESOLUTION TODAY, INITIATING THIS 164 PROCESS, THEN YOU WILL HAVE WAIVED YOUR OBJECTION AND THE ANNEXATION WILL GO FORWARD, WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S AN INTERLOCAL SERVICE BOUNDARY AGREEMENT. SO I RECOMMEND -- I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S PHILOSOPHICAL ISSUES REGARDING VOLUNTARY ANNEXATIONS BUT NOT -- BUT WE BELIEVE THIS ONE TO BE LEGALLY OBJECTIONABLE AND AGGRAVATING AN ALREADY EXISTING PROBLEM.

ALL RIGHT. MISS NORTHY, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THAT WAS ONE OF THE POINTS I WAS GOING TO MAKE THAT CREATES A REAL HUGE ENCLAVE, AND SERVICE ISSUE. BUT MISS SEAMAN, WASN'T THERE TWO ISSUES WITH DELTONA? THE LEFFLER ONE WE PRESERVED OUR RIGHT AND THE ONE ACROSS FROM 415 THE COUNCIL DID NOT PRESERVE THEIR RIGHTS.

YES, MA'AM.

WE'RE STILL HAVING HEARTBURN OVER THAT ONE.

YES, MA'AM. THAT'S WHAT CAUSED THE PROBLEMS WITH OSTEEN.

EXACTLY. AND I BELIEVE THAT YOU ALL WILL BE TRUE IN SITTING DOWN AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN ADDRESS IT'S ISSUES, SERVICE ISSUES. BUT MISS SEAMAN IS RIGHT. IT'S VERY HARD FOR ME SITTING UP HERE HAVING HAD THE EXPERIENCE OF SITTING THROUGH THOSE TWO PROCESSES TO NOW SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO IT DIFFERENTLY. WE HAVE TO AS A COUNCIL PRESERVE OUR

OPTIONS AND PRESERVE OUR RIGHTS AND I DON'T WANT IT TO BE LOOKED AT BY ANYBODY AS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OVERLORDING, BUT THERE ARE CLEAR EXAMPLES OF WHEN WE PRESERVED OUR RIGHTS AND WHEN WE HAVEN'T. CLEARLY, WE BETTER PUT OUR SELF IN THE RIGHT PLACE IF WE PRESERVE OUR RIGHTS SO I'LL BE VOTING IN SUPPORT OF THE MOTION.

ALL RIGHT. MR.WAGNER?

I GUESS I'M IN THE SAME SITUATION AS JOYCE, I USUALLY VOTE AGAINST THEM BUT THIS IS A UNIQUE SITUATION. THE PROBLEM IS IF WE CIRCLE, WE DO ALL THIS WORK IT'S GOING TO STILL COME DOWN TO DO WE THINK IT'S PROPERTY SHOULD BE ANNEXED IN EDGEWATER. THAT'S THE REALITY OF IT, THE END QUESTION IS WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH STAFF TIME, PUBLIC TIME, EVERYBODY'S TIME TO GET BACK TO THE SAME ANSWER. THE SAME QUESTION. SHOULD THIS BE ANNEXED INTO EDGEWATER, CORRECT?

WELL, IF YOU THINK THE ANNEXATION IS UNOBJECTIONABLE WITHOUT INTERLOCAL SERVICE BOUNDARY AGREEMENT I WOULD PHRASE THE QUESTION THAT WAY. THE COUNCIL HAS . JUST BECAUSE I CAN OBJECT DOESN'T MEAN I HAVE TO.

THAT'S YOUR PREROGATIVE.

I MEAN, I KNOW WHERE I'M GOING TO END UP TWO YEARS FROM NOW, SO I'M NOT GOING TO SUPPORT IT. I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT. JUST FOR TIME PURPOSES, I COULD SEE IF I HAD AN ISSUE, IN A COUPLE YEARS, I DON'T. SO I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.

ALL RIGHT. IN MY NONLEGAL MIND, WHAT THIS RESOLUTION SAYS, I'M CLARIFYING FOR MYSELF, IF WE SUPPORT -- IF WE PASS THE RESOLUTION THAT STOPS THE ANNEXATION, BASICALLY FORCES THE COUNTY AND THE CITIES TO GET TOGETHER, LET'S GET THIS INTERSERVICE LOCAL AGREEMENT TOGETHER, AND WE ACTUALLY MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AND WE CAN PUT THIS RESOLUTION BASICALLY ON A PERMANENT CONTINUANCE, SHALL WE SAY, UNTIL WE GET THIS AGREEMENT SETTLED, AM I CORRECT?

IN THE END, THAT'S A FAIR ANALYSIS.

OKAY. VERY WELL. A MOVE FOR THE QUESTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED? SO MOVED FOR THE QUESTION OF APPROVAL, FOR THE -- I'VE GOT ALL KINDS OF PAPERS HERE. MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION TO APPEAL OF CITY OF EDGEWATER ANNEXATION AND INITIATION OF CONFLICT RESOLUTION PROCEDURES. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR -- MISS DENYS, YOU PUSHED THE BUTTON?

I'M GOING TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED? MISS CUSACK AND MR. WAGNER HAVE OPPOSED. SO CARRIED.

I MAKE A MOTION WE SUSPEND THE PROCESS BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND CITY OF EDGEWATER.

A MOTION TO SUSPEND.

SECOND.

A SECOND FROM MR. WAGNER. IS THIS THE CORRECTION MOTION, SIR?

ESSENTIALLY SO, IT WILL REQUIRE THE AGREEMENT OF THE CITY WHICH I BELIEVE TO BE FORTHCOMING.

WHILE I HAVE YOU GUYS HERE WILL THIS BE AGREEABLE? WE HAVE A MOTION REGARDLESS.

CORRECT. WE HAVE A COUNCIL MEETING MONDAY NIGHT, I AM SURE I CAN GET A FAVORABLE RESPONSE FROM THE CITY COUNCIL.

ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION TO SECOND, FURTHER COMMENT?

NO.

MISS NORTHYS?

FURTHER CLARIFICATION WHAT THIS MEANS, MR. ECKERT?

RATHER THAN THE CITY MANAGER AND COUNTY MANAGER MEETING FOR THE CONFLICT RESOLUTION, CONFLICT ASSESSMENT MEETING AND JOINT GOVERNING BODY MEETING AND THE MEDIATION THAT YOU WILL SUSPENDED DEADLINES UNDER THE STATUTE FOR --

HOW LONG CAN THEY BE SUSPENDED FOR?

I DON'T THINK THE STATUTE PROVIDES FOR ANY CERTAIN TIME. WE CAN BRING THE ISSUE BACK TO YOU IF WE BELIEVE THE NEGOTIATION ON THE ISBA HAS STALLED. YOU WOULD BE AGREEING TO EXTENSIONS TO TIME LIMITS WITHIN CHAPTER 164 WHILE YOU PURSUE THE INTERLOCAL SERVICE BOUNDARY AGREEMENT.

MEANWHILE THE ANNEXATION HAS BEEN ADOPTED BY EDGEWATER, CORRECT? THEY HAVE ANNEXED THE PROPERTY AND ISSUES OF CONFLICT RESOLUTION ARE BEING ABATED, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING TO ME? WE'RE SAYING THAT --

WE WOULD HAVE TO TALK WITH THE CITY, RIGHT NOW THE ONLY WAY -- THE ANNEXATION -- IT'S IN THE CITY OF EDGEWATER ACCORDING TO THE ORDINANCE. WE'LL HAVE PRESERVED OUR CHALLENGE. THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN DEVELOP IN THE CITY OF EDGEWATER IS UNDER OUR DEVELOPMENT CODE, SO IF THE ANNEXATION --

IS THAT BECAUSE WE'RE --

BECAUSE IN ANY ANNEXATION --

UNTIL THEY IDENTIFY THE COMP PLAN?

UNTIL THEY PUT IT IN THE COMP PLAN AND ZONE IT.

THEY CAN'T PUT IT IN THE COMP PLAN BECAUSE WE TOOK AN ACTION?

WELL, THEY WOULD DO SO WITH THE UNDERSTANDING -- SUBJECT TO IT BEING SET ASIDE, AND THE PROPERTY HAS AN EXISTING RPUD, SO I'M NOT SURE OF ANY INTENTION TO AMEND THAT RPUD.

WHICH WAS ADOPTED IN 2008, BY THE WAY.

GIVE IT A SHOT, TRACY.

IDENTIFY YOURSELF EVERY TIME.

TRACY BARLOW, CITY MANAGER, CITY OF EDGEWATER. YEAH, IF IT BRINGS COMFORT, MISS NORTHY, WE HAVE TAKEN THAT PUD THAT YOU HAD ON THAT PROPERTY BEFORE IT WENT THROUGH BANKRUPTCY, MADE ENHANCEMENTS WOULD YOU BE PLEASED WITH AND USING THAT AS A BASELINE FOR DEVELOPMENT. SO ESSENTIALLY, IF I CAN TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SUM UP WHAT MR. -- WHAT I UNDERSTAND MR. ECKERT IF WE ABATE THE PROCESS, AT THE END OF THIS LENGTHY PROCESS IF WE DON'T END UP AGREEING ON AN ISBA AND YOU GUYS PREVAIL IN THE OBJECTION AND THEY ARE CONTRACTED, THEY ARE BACK IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREA, YOU WIND UP WITH A 63-UNIT DEVELOPMENT THAT WE MANAGED, YOU KNOW, BACK IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREA, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY IT WILL BE THE SAME DEVELOPMENT AS YOU ORIGINALLY WERE GOING TO HAVE WHEN IT WAS UNINCORPORATED. DID THAT BRING COMFORT?

I'M NOT SURE WHAT CHANGES HAVE BEEN MADE. THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO TAKE ACTION TO BRING IT INTO ITS COMP PLAN AND ITS ZONING IF CHANGES WOULD BE MADE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT TO HAVE OCCURRED. THAT WOULD BE A TOPIC OF FURTHER DISCUSSION TO PROVIDE YOU A SPECIFIC ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. MR.PATTERSON, A COMMENT?

NO, I HAVE A QUESTION. WITH MRS. DENYS' MOTION DO WE NEED TO MAKE IT CONTINGENT ON APPROVAL BY THE CITY OF EDGEWATER? DOES THAT NEED TO BE AMENDED?

I THINK THAT OUGHT TO BE INCLUDED, YEAH.

I THINK THAT'S ITS NATURAL LEGAL EFFECT.

OKAY.

AND MR. BARLOW WAS GOING TO TAKE IT, IF THERE'S A CONFLICT WE'LL HEAR ABOUT IT.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE --

IT WILL BE NULLIFIED, IT WILL FAIL ON ITS OWN ACCORD?

IF THE CITY COULD NOT EXTEND DEADLINES YOU WOULD BE OBLIGATED TO GO FORWARD UNDER CHAPTER 164.

WE'RE STILL PROTECTED?

YES, MA'AM.

OKAY.

OKAY. SO NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. NO FURTHER COMMENTS. OKAY. WE WILL NOW -- THE MOTION IS TO SUSPEND THE ACTION TILL FURTHER DATE, RESTATE YOUR QUESTION PLEASE.

TO SUSPEND THE CONFLICT RESOLUTION PROCESS.

OKAY.

UNTIL AN ISBA IS MUTUALLY AGREED UPON BETWEEN THE CITY AND COUNTY.

OKAY. THAT WAS SECONDED BY MR. WAGNER.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY -- ANYWAY, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY AYE.

AYE.

OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. SO CARRIED. THANK YOU.

BOUNDARY.

THE ONE ON THE NORTH BEACH IS BY MINERVA ROAD AND IT IS THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE LONG. ONE JET SKI RENTAL CONCESSION LOCATED WITHIN THE ZONE. IF I COULD HAVE THE NEXT SLIDE, SUE.

IT IS ON THE SOUTH BEACHES AND THE NEW SMYRNA BEACH AREA. IT IS ONE AND A QUARTER MILES LONG BETWEEN THIRD AVENUE AND BEACH RAMP AND 24th AVENUE AND ON THE GRAPHICS. I HAVE DEPICTED THE UPLAND PROPERTIES IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT. AND THE JET SKI CONCESSION WOULD OPERATE WITHIN THE ZONE. A SINGLE CONCESSION.

ONE NORTH AND ONE WITHIN THOSE AREAS.

DIRECTOR SWAN SON WILL GO OVER THE REASONING BEHIND SELECTING THOSE AREAS RELATED TO BEACH OPERATIONS. WE CHOSE THE NORTH BEACH AREA WHICH IS BETWEEN BODIFER AVENUE AND MINERVA AND IT HAS GOOD ACCESSIBILITY AND HIGH VISIBILITY AND IT IS CONSIDERED TO BE THE CORE AREA OF THE BEACH AND SHOULD CAUSE MINIMALLY EFFECT ON THE BEACH OPERATIONS. THERE ARE SEVERAL VACANT LOTS FOR THE ACTIVITY HAD IS NEW SMYRNA BEACH AND IT IS A QUARTER MILE LENGTH IN BETWEEN THE TWO.

THE AREA TENDS TO BE THE LARGEST PARTS OF THE BEACH TO FILL UP BETWEEN THE DISTANCE OF THIRD AVENUE AND 27th AVENUE AND WE REALIZE WITH BEACH SAFETY ON A DAILY BASIS, WE HAVE TO MONITOR THE PROCESSES. AND LIKE DIRECTOR NOLAN SAID. IF WE FEEL AT ANY TIME ANY UNSAFE ACTIVITY IS HAPPENING IN THE AREAS, WHETHER IT IS A NORTHEAST STERN WIND THAT COMES IN, IN THE AFTERNOON AND STIRS UP THE SURF AND CAUSES A BOAT ADVISORY, WE WILL BE MONITORING THAT ON A DAILY BASIS. SAFETY IS PARAMOUNT AND I WILL TURN IT BACK OVER TO JOE NOLAN.

THANKS, MARK. LET ME MAKE A DISTINCTION WHERE THEY WOULD OPERATE SEPARATE FROM THE JET SKI AREAS. IT IS THROUGH PERMIT THROUGH THE BEACH SAFETY OCEAN RESCUE DIVISION AND THEY CAN OPERATE IN THE 600-FOOT ZONES. ONE NORTH AND SOUTH THAT ROTATE ROUTINELY. THE CONCESSION WOULD BE SET UP SEPARATELY AND IT IS IMPORTANT TO MAKE UP THE DISTINCTION. THEY USE THE PERMIT ZONES CURRENTLY. AND GENERALLY WELL EXPERIENCED JET SKI RIDERS AND THEY KNOW HOW TO OPERATE AND THEY OPERATE MODIFIED MACHINES AT A HIGH RATE OF SPEED.

THIS IS THE RENTAL CUSTOMERS AND BE LESS EXPERIENCED AND NOVICE JET SKI RIDERS. SO, IT IS IMPORTANT TO SEPARATE THEM FROM THE PROS IF YOU WOULD IN THE PERMITTED JET SKI AREAS. THAT IS THE AREA BEHIND MAKING THE DISTINCTION. IT IS THE BABY POOL CONCEPT, IF YOU WILL. SEPARATING THE NOVICES FROM THE WELL EXPERIENCED RIDERS SO IT DOESN'T PRESENT CONFLICTS BETWEEN THE TWO GROUPS. I WILL GO OVER A NUMBER, MARKEN I WILL GO OVER OPERATIONAL THINGS WE DISCUSSED. AND ISSUES WE WANT COUNCIL INPUT ON. NUMBER 1 IS BEACH SAFETY RESCUE DIVISION HAS THE AUTHORITY TO HALT OPERATIONS AT ANY TIME BASED ON SEA CONDITIONS. IF THEY DEEM IT UNSAFE, THEY ARE NO LONGER OPERATING. NO RENTAL WILL TAKE PLACE IN THE SEA CONDITIONS. THAT DECISION WILL BE MADE ON A DAILY BASIS. THERE WOULD BE A 50 FEET WIDE TOW CHANNEL ESTABLISHED WHEREBY THE CONCESSIONAIIRE WOULD -- CONCESSIONAIRE WOULD TOW PEOPLE OUT TO THE RENTAL JET SKIS THAT ARE MOORED OFFSHORE AND THAT'S WHERE THE RENTAL ACTIVITY WOULD TAKE PLACE. IT AS MARKED CHANNEL WITH BUOYS AND FROM SIX TO 700 FEET AND MARKED BY A STAFFER WHO IS TRAINED IN SAFETY AND BATHERS ARE NOT IMPACTED BY THE TOWING ACTIVITIES FROM THE ON SHORE RENTAL AREA. THERE ARE FOUR RENTAL JET SKIS TO BE USED. THE RENTERS OFFSHORE WOULD BE MONITORED BY A JET SKI CONCESSION STAFFER OR WRANGLER WHO WOULD BE ON A JET SKI AND RESPOND TO ANY EMERGENCY SITUATIONS OR MISHAPS THAT TAKE PLACE ON THE SKIS OFFSHORE. FOR THE RENTAL OPERATIONS AREA, IT AS DEFINED AREA. HALF MILE SQUARED DEFINED BY BUOYS ANDS AND THEY COULD RESPOND TO IN THE CASE WITH THE MENTALES. RENNERS MUST BE -- RENTERS MUST BE 18 YEARS OF AGE. THEY MUST AND PAID TO ALL LAWS. TRAINED LICENSE STAFF AVAILABLE. EVEN PERHAPS LICENSED BOAT CAPTAINS FOR THE TOW ACTIVITY THAT TAKES PLACE WITH THE RENTERS TO GET THEM OFFSHORE.

THE CONCESSIONAIRE WOULD PROVIDE SAFETY AND OPERATIONAL TRAINING AND BE A MEMBER OF THE WATER CRAFT ASSOCIATION. IT PROVIDES JET SKI RENTER EDUCATIONAL SAFETY MATERIALS, VIDEOS AND SO FORTH. THE CONCESSIONAIRE WOULD HAVE TO MAKE AVAILABLE TO THE RENTERS TO SCHOOL THEM BEFORE THEY RENT THE EQUIPMENT AND USE IT AND SAFE USE AND OPERATION. THE TERM WOULD BE A ONE PLUS TWO. WOULD BE A ONE YEAR CONTRACT WITH THE OPTION OF TWO 1-YEAR RENEWALS AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING A GUARANTEE PER CONCESSION SITE OR 10 FORCE OF GROSS REVENUE OR CPI TIED ESCALATOR ANNUALLY. MARK, DO YOU HAVE ANY? WE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN COUNCIL INPUT OR QUESTIONS.

AT THIS POINT, I WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE ONCE AGAIN, THAT I INSTRUCTED BY THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL. WHAT WE DID, WE LOOKED AT IT FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE OF HOW YOU WOULD MAKE IT WORK IF THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DO IT. WE ARE OPEN TO ANY SUGGESTIONS YOU HAVE IN TERMS OF MODIFYING ANYTHING OR WHATEVER. LET US KNOW.

WE NEED GUIDANCE.

MISS NORTHEY.

THANK YOU. MR. DAVIS. I THINK I WAS ONE OF THOSE WHO SAID. LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT IT. I WILL WITHDRAW MY SUPPORT FROM THIS PROPOSAL. I RECALL MANY DISCUSSIONS AND WE HAD OVER JET SKIS IN THE OLD DAYS AND THE ISSUES IT CREATED AND THE PROBLEMS IT CAUSED. I THINK ADDING THIS MIX TO OUR BEACHES IS NOT A GOOD THING. I THINK IT WILL NOT BE HELPFUL TO MANAGE THE JET SKISES AND I AM COLONELLED WHEN YOU SEPARATE THE JET SKIS ZONES. BECAUSE NOW YOU CREATED A BIGGER AREA FOR THE GENTLEMENS. THIS IS ONE -- FOR THE JET SKISES. AND THEY WERE TIRED OF THE JET SKISES ALL OVER AND -- SKIS AND WE WENT 600 FEET ZONES. SO, I HAVE HAD, JUST LIKE WITH DOGS ON THE BEACH. I HAD A CHANCE TO RETHINK MY POSITION. AND I AM NOT INTERESTED IN SEEING THIS ONE MOVEMENT OF MOVE FORWARD. WE UNDERSTAND THERE IS PERHAPS SOME HISTORY SITTING ON SOMEONE'S DESK ABOUT A POTENTIAL, OF HOW WE WOULD ADD SURF SCHOOLS TO THE CONSECTION AGREEMENTS. I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD HAVE IT BUT TALK TO YOUR STAFF. WE TALKED TO THEM YEARS AGO. I AM GETTING COMPLAINTS FROM PEOPLE ABOUT THEM NOT BEING MANAGED. AND WE MANAGE EVERY OTHER CONCESSION ON THE BEACH. INCLUDING THIS ONE AND WE SHOULD BE MANAGING SURF SCHOOLS.

I WANT TO KEEP THESE TWO THINGS SEPARATE FOR THE DISCUSSION TODAY. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A UNIQUE SITUATION AND WE CAN BRING IT FORWARD.

ALL RIGHT. MR. WAGNER, SO, EVERYONE IS CLEAR, THERE IS A DISTINCT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE JET SKIS ZONES. THEY ARE JUMPING WAVES AND THAT'S WHY THEY ARE THERE. AND THIS TYPE OF JET SKI USER AND THE ONE IN THE ZONES, THEY ARE MODIFIED AND PRETTY INTENSE. I KNOW QUITE A FEW PEOPLE THAT DO IT AND THEY ARE INSANE. IF THEY ARE NOT THERE THEY ARE AT THE INLET AT SHARK SHALLOWS. IT IS A DIFFERENT WORLD. AS FAR AS THIS IS CONCERNED, 1500 FEET OUTSIDE OF THE BEACH. YOU DON'T EVEN HEAR THEM. IT IS HARD ENOUGH TIME WITH YOUR EYESIGHT TO EVEN SEE THEM AND LOOKING AT JASON ON THAT ONE. SORRY, GUYS.

I HAVE GOOD EYES. I CAN SEE.

IF YOU THINK ABOUT DISTANCE, WHAT IS THE PIER LENGTH. 400 FEET FROM MAYBE THE WATER MEDIAN LINE. THINK HOW FAR 1500 FEET REALLY IS. IT IS FAR.

SO, AS FAR AS THAT DISTANCE, THE ONLY ISSUE AND I THINK THEY ADDRESSED IT WHICH IS IMPORTANT TO ME IS THE SAFETY OF GETTING THEM OUT THERE. MOST OF THE JET SKIS WOULD BE OUT THERE, THEY ARE NOT STAND UP JET SKIS. BUT MY ASSUMPTION IS, THEY ARE THE THREE PERSON SKIDOO KIND. THEY ARE NOT USING THEM WHEN IT IS CHOPPY. THEY HAVE THINGS TO WORRY ABOUT

FOR THOSE WHO SELL INSURANCE. THERE IS GOING TO BE DEFINITELY SOME SITUATIONS TO WHERE THEY SHUT IT DOWN BEFORE WE GET TO THEM. COUPLE OF THINGS AS FAR AS MY SUGGESTIONS. DO YOU GUYS REALLY THINK. I KNOW THE AREA. I KNOW IT WELL, AS FAR AS THE NORTHERN ONE, YOU DON'T THINK IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE TO PUT IT IN BETWEEN HARVEY AND THE AND THAT ZONE, THE TAKEOUT AREA.

OAK RIDGE AREA?

YES, MY CONCERN, THERE IS A LOT OF HOTELS IN THAT SECTION YOU HAVE NOW. OVER TIME IT WOULD MOVE. AND IT WOULD TAKE A LITTLE TIME TO FIGURE OUT WHERE IS THE BEST PLACE. BUT I THOUGHT THAT MADE MORE SENSE BECAUSE IT IS SO BARE RIGHT NOW.

THESE ARE DISCUSSIONS THAT YOU COULD HAVE WITH THEM.

OAK RIDGE IS ONE OF THE INITIAL AREAS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

OAK RIDGE MAKES SENSE, TOO.

YOU WOULD HAVE OAK RIDGE AND I WAS THINKING MORE, BECAUSE OAK RIDGE IS SEA BREEZE LINE. I WAS THINKING MORE THE OTHER SIDE. I THINK THE ZONE, THE E-ZONE AREA, THE NORTH SECTION OF HARVEY AND THIS IS THE SOUTHERN SECTION OF THE BEACH, E-ZONE.

THAT IS ONE OF THE ONES WE CONSIDERED. INITIALLY.

JUST MAYBE KEEP THAT OPEN IN DISCUSSIONS IF THIS GOES FORWARD TO MAYBE, I THINK THERE MIGHT BE MORE CONGESTION WHERE IT IS IN THE PLAN IF YOU MOVED IT A LITTLE BIT MORE NORTH. THAT IS JUST A DISCUSSION.

I, AS A COUNCIL MEMBER WOULD BE OPEN WITH STAFF. YOU KNOW, YOU COULD BE IN TWO WEEKS AND SAY IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I THINK THE TRIAL PERIOD AND THE THING LOOKING FOR STAFF TO DO ANY WAYS AND YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO FIGURE IT OUT.

I DO THINK. AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD LIMIT THE WATER CRAFT TO FOUR. IT IS TOO LOW IN A BUSINESS MODEL AND THE MARKET WOULD DICTATE IT. YOU HAVE A GROUP THAT HAS TO AMORTIZE AND I DON'T THINK WHOEVER DOES IT IN NEW SMYRNA BEACHOR IF IT IS IN DAYTONA, THAT WOULD DICTATE IT. AND THAT AMOUNT, I DON'T KNOW IF BUSINESS MODEL-WISE THEY CAN DO IT. YOU MAY WANT THE MORNING. THEY WILL GO FROM THE DRIVEOUT AREAS. AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET ANY BIDS AT 30. YOU CAN'T AMORTIZE IT OVER TWO YEARS. YOU CAN'T DO IT. AND IF IF YOU RUN THE NUMBERS, IT DOESN'T ADD UP. ANYONE THAT GOES TO RENT A JET SKI AND I HAVE DONE IT IN VARIOUS BEACHES AND VARIOUS COUNTRIES. YOU ARE PAYING 100, 90 BUCKS AN HOUR. AND SOME PLACES I HAVE BEEN. IF YOU RUN THE NUMBERS, AND THAT IS PRETTY CONSISTENT, THAT THE BUSINESS-WISE, IT DOESN'T ADD UP. IT IS NOT GOING TO WORK. WHEN YOU ARE TAKING IN INSURANCE. YOU ARE TAKING IN BOAT CAPTAINS AND IF WE HAVE A REQUIREMENT FOR BOAT CAPTAINS. AND I THINK THAT IS A GREAT IDEA.

NO FIXED FEE.

MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING. FIVE K.

LET EVERYBODY FINISH. LET'S HEAR WHAT EVERYBODY SAYS.

I DO WANT YOU TO TAKE DOWN MY SUGGESTIONS IN CASE THE COUNCIL AGREES.

30 IS HIGH. YOU CAN'T AMORTIZE IT AND YOU DO NEED SOMETHING. GET IT STARTED. YOU HAVE TO REALIZE THIS WILL BE A BID AND IF THERE ARE MULTIPLE BIDS, THEY CAN OUTBID EACH OTHER. I WANT TO SEE SOMEONE DO IT. AND I WOULD START AT FIVE K AS A BASELINE WITH A 10% -- 2% ESCALATOR AND AND IF YOU HAVE MULTIPLE BIDDERS, THEY WANT TO BID IT UP, THAT IS UP TO THEM. THE OTHER IS THE NO LIMIT ON WATER CRAFT. THE AMOUNT. AND THEN THE LAST ONE, IT IS SMALL. THE INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION, I KNOW A LOT OF KIDS THAT HAVE BOATS. THEY ARE 16, THEY TAKE THE BOATER'S CLASS AND GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF DOING ALL THE THINGS. IF YOU FOLLOW THE SAME GUIDELINES. IT IS A FAIR WAY OF DOING IT. IT IS NOT ANY 16 OR 17-YEAR-OLD AND ALLOW SOMEONE WHO WANTEDS TO TAKE THE BOATING CLASS, WHO HAS THE LICENSE TO UTILIZE IT. AND IT IS A FAIRNESS ISSUE. EVEN THOUGH IT IS VERY MINOR. THAT IS MY SUGGESTION. YOU DID A GREAT JOB AS FAR AS DOING SOMETHING THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE ARE NORMALLY USED TO DOING. AND YOU PUT IN EVERY SAFETY PRECAUTION AVAILABLE. THIS IS SOMETHING, IF IT DID. AND IT WASN'T WORKING AGAIN. IT IS SOMETHING WE COULD SHUT DOWN IMMEDIATELY AND THAT IS THE BIGGEST SAFETY PRECAUTION WE HAVE. I HAVE SEEN IT IN OTHER LACES, UTILIZED IT IN OTHER PLACES. AS LONG AS IT IS DONE PROPERLY AND THE FRAMEWORK. IT IS A GREAT AMENITY TO COME TO THE BEACH AND ENJOY THE BEACH. PEOPLE CAN RENT JET SKIS NOW. IT IS JUST PROVIDING THEM AN AVENUE TO GET OUT TO THE LOCATION. JUST LIKE -- WELL, YOU ARE PUTTING THEM WAY OUT. SO.

YES, YOU CAN RENT. SOMEONE CAN RENT JET SKIS RIGHT NOW. IT IS LIKE THE SURF SCHOOLS AND WHEN WE GET INTO THE LEGAL ISSUES, I COULD RENT IT AND USE ONE OF THE RENT ZONES AND IF I AM PAYING FOR THE JET SKI RENTAL OFF THE BEACH AND IT IS GETTING TOWED OFF THE BEACH. WE CAN'T STOP IT AND IF I WANT TO USE IT IN A JET SKI ZONE, I HAVE THAT PREROGATIVE. IT IS LIKE SOMEONE WHO HAS A GOLF CART THAT IS DRIVEABLE. LIKE THE SURF SCHOOLS, IF THEY ARE NOT COLLECTING MONEY ON THE BEACH. YOU HAVE A HARD TIME REGULATING IT. THERE IS NO TRANSFER OF MONEY AND ALL SORTS OF ISSUES. I AM NOT SAYING YOU CAN DO IT ANY WAYS, IT IS AN AMENITY THAT WE CAN ADD TO THE BEACH AND SHUT DOWN IF SOMETHING IS WRONG.

ALL RIGHT. HE TOOK ALL OF MY GREAT IDEAS.

THANKS. ALL RIGHT. MR. PATTERSON.

UNDERSTAND WHAT CONDITIONS WOULD WE SAY THAT YOU COULDN'T BE OPERATING? I MEAN, IS THERE SOME GUIDELINE THAT YOU HAVE?

I THINK IT WOULD BE SMALL CRAFT ADVISORY.

SO, APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY DAYS WOULD BE AVAILABLE BASED UPON PREVIOUS.

HOW MANY RENTAL DAYS AVAILABLE?

YES, IN OTHER WORDS, LOOKING AT PREVIOUS YEARS, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, HOW MANY DAYS WOULD PEOPLE ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO USE THESE JET SKIS OUT THERE AND HOW MUCH DAYS WOULD THEY NOT BE ABLE? I AM WONDERING IF IT IS PRACTICAL TO BE DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS. IS IT 100 DAYS? 50 DAYS? YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT THE WEATHER IS GOING TO BE LIKE OVER THERE.

YES, I BASED, WELL, I DID SOME CALCULATIONS BASED ON 120 DAYS OF AVAILABLE SEA CONDITIONS. FOR SAFE SEA CONDITIONS. TO OPERATE. AND WHAT I CALLED OR TERMED A RENTAL DAY. AND YOU ARE RIGHT, WE ARE ON A HIGH ENERGY COAST IN NORTHEAST FLORIDA. WE GET SIGNIFICANT STRONG SEA CONDITIONS ROUTINELY.

SO, ABOUT FOUR MONTHS OUT THE YEAR. IF YOU ARE SAYING 120 DAYS A YEAR.

CORRECT. NO, I AM SAYING. IN ONE YEAR, HOW MANY DAYS, .

WELL, THAT IS JOE NOLAN'S ESTIMATE.

DURING A ONE YEAR PERIOD?

YES, SIR.

WE COULD RESEARCH IT DURING THE WINTER MONTHS AND IT IS REALLY BLASTING OUT THERE.

WE COULD GO OUT AND SEE IF WE GET A BETTER FEEL FOR THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS. AS JOE SAID, HE QUALIFIED. IT IS A JOURNAL LAND.

I AM THINKING. 120 DAYS AND THE EXPENSE OF OPERATING THINGS, IS IT WORTH IT FOR SOMEBODY TO DO THIS. I HATE TO GET COMPLAINTS.

SOMEONE WHO WOULD DO THIS WOULD WANT TO GET SOME TYPE OF AN IDEA OF WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT IF THEY ARE TAKING ON A CONTRACT LIKE THIS. AND WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO CHARGE. YOU KNOW. THEN THEM OUT HAD THE BUSINESS DECISION.

ALL RIGHT. MISS DEB DENYS.

THANK YOU.

EVEN IF IT IS FOUR MONTHS, THAT IS FOUR GOOD MONTHS. AND THIS IS ANOTHER TOURIST ATTRACTION, IF YOU WILL, OR REASON TO COME TO OUR BEACH IN THESE PARTICULAR AREAS. IT IS UP TO WHOEVER RUNS THE BUSINESS AND IF YOU HAVE EVER BEEN OUT IN THE JET SKI, IT IS WORK GETTING ON IT AND LET ALONE GETTING OUT THERE. ONCE YOU HAVE DONE IT, YOU WANT TO DO IT AGAIN. TO MAKE SURE YOU STILL CAN. BUT, TRULY, HAVE YOU EVER DONE IT, MR. PATTERSON?

I HAVE NO DESIRE.

SO, FOR THOSE OF US THAT HAVE AND APPRECIATE THE THRILL, AND THE OPPORTUNITY THAT IT WILL BRING AND ECONOMIC GENERATOR TO VOLUSIA COUNTY. I SUPPORT IT BECAUSE I ENJOY NOT AS MUCH AS I USED TO BUT I ENJOY THE SPORT AND THE AVAILABILITY IS GREAT FOR FAMILIES AND

ORGANIZATIONS. AND JUST EXPANDING THE OPPORTUNITIES AT THE BEACH IS A GOOD THING. AND WE ARE NOT PUTTING THE MONEY IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE. IF THERE IS AN ENTREPRENEUR ON BUSINESSMAN THAT WANTS TO DO IT. IT IS THEIR INVESTMENT AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CAN PATROL IT. THAT'S THE THING. IT IS THE PATROLLING. BUT I SUPPORT IT. THE ONLY THING, JOSH, I DISAGREE WITH YOU, WE SHOULD LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF WATERCRAFT TO BEGIN WITH. MAYBE NOT FOUR, BUT THE ONE HELP IS WHAT, TWO DIFFERENT LENGTHS. IT IS THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE.2.5 MILES IN THE TWO DIFFERENT BEACH AREAS.

SO, I MEAN IF YOU PUT IN IT COULD HAPPEN AND WE COULD BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE DEFINE IT AND WE CAN ALWAYS EXPAND IT AND THE DEMAND IS THERE, WE COULD ALWAYS EXPAND IT. I WOULD RATHER TWINE IT A LITTLE MORE AND CONTROL IT AND DEFINE IT AND EXPAND IT IF IT IS SUCCESSFUL AND DECIDE IF WE WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH IT MORE.

I DON'T WANT TO BE UNLIMITED. LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET IT OUT THERE AND UP AND WORKING WITH THE DEFINED AMOUNT AND EXPAND IT IF IT IS SUCCESSIONFUL AND IF WHO -- SESS STETSON UNIVERSITY. STETSON UNIVERSITIFUL. AND IF NOT, WE WILL TANK IT.

MAKE IT SIX.

THE ONLY THING WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER, IF WE DROP IT TO SIX, WE MAY HAVE TO CROP OUT THE FIVE K, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN AMORTIZE.

I DON'T KNOW.

THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN.

UNDERSTOOD.

SO, IF IT IS SIX. AND WE DON'T DO THE FIVE K, THEN THERE IS NO HARM. AND DO AT LEAST SOMETHING.

WE DON'T HAVE TO DECIDE RIGHT NOW. CAN WE SET THE PARAMETERS.

THEY HAVE TO GET IT OUT. THEY HAVE TO GET THE RFP OUT.

ONCE WE GET THE ISSUES THAT COUNCIL HAVE. AND FIRST, I NEED TO KNOW WHETHER THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DO THIS AND YOU ARE STARTING OFF TO A CERTAIN DEGREE WITH AN EXPERIMENT.

RIGHT.

I DO BELIEVE THAT THE BUSINESS MODEL CAN TAKE CARE OF ITSELF AND HAVING SOME MINIMUM: YOU HAVE A CERTAIN MINIMUM, BID IT UP. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT ANY KIND OF MODEL LIKE THIS, IF WE DO IT, WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE ISSUE BETWEEN. IF THEY CAN PUT MORE THAN FIVE US OR SIX UNITS. WE LOOK AT SAFETY THERE. AND THEN, YOU LET THE BUSINESS MODEL RUN. AND THEN AT THAT POINT I THINK YOU CAN LOOK AT WHETHER YOU ARE GETTING ENOUGH REVENUE AND SEE IF IT COSTS US AND THEN WE CAN REVISIT IT.

THE THING I AM COMFORTABLE WITH. AND NOT THAT I AM PROMOTING. YOU DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT. WE FEEL WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING TO MAKE IT AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE TO FOLLOW THE RULES. AND THAT'S THE QUESTION.

WILL THEY FOLLOW THE RULES. AND WE CAN PUT SOMETHING. AND DO DEPENDING ON WHAT THE COUNCIL TELLS ME TODAY. WE COULD CRAFT SOMETHING AND PUT IT OUT AND LET THE MARKET TAKE CARE AND REVISIT IT LATER.

SAFETY HAS TO BE THE NUMBER 1 THING.

DEFINITELY SAFETY FIRST. MISS CUSACK, YOU HAVE A COMMENT?

YES, THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. I THINK THAT ANYTHING WE DO TO INCREASE PLEASURE ON OUR BEACHES IS A GOOD THING. AND DO IT WELL. WE WOULD WANT TO HAVE IT SUPERVISED SO THEY CAN DO IT SAFELY. YOU WILL SEE FOLKS THAT WILL SOMETIME TRY TO BREAK THE RULES AND I THINK IF WE DON'T TRY, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE WITH THE SKATE BOARDS, SURF BOARDS, IT IS A MATTER OF SAFETY AND WE SHOULD NOT TRY TO EXPLORE AND DO SOME DIFFERENT THINGS AND IF WE DON'T EVER TRY SOME OF THE THINGS. SEE WHAT IS OUT THERE. WHAT WILL MAKE US DIFFERENT FROM OTHER BEACHES. I THINK IT IS A GOOD THING TO TRY TO EXPLORE AND DO SOME THINGS IN A SAFE AND SENSIBLE MANNER. I WOULD BE WILLING TO TAKE IT TO THAT LEVEL. MR. CHAIR, I WAS SUPPORTING THAT. THANK YOU.

WHAT TYPE OF ACTION DO WE NEED ON THIS?

FIRST OF ALL, I NEED TO KNOW WHETHER THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DO THIS AND THEN IF YOU DO, WE WILL TAKE THE DIRECTION UNDER ADVISEMENT AND IF YOU WANT TO DO IT, WE WILL CRAFT A RFP AND TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, THE MARKET WILL LET US KNOW WHETHER IT IS WORTH IT AND THEN WHAT WE MIGHT DO TO SOLVE THE NUMBER 1S OUT THERE, WE MIGHT HAVE A SUGGESTED NUMBER WITH THE IDEA THAT THEY COULD HAVE ADDITIONAL ONES AND IF THEY CAN DO IT IN A SAFE MANNER.

WHETHER THEY HAVE SIX OR 10. AND THEY CAN MOORE THEM IN A SAFE MANNER AND YOU ARE CONVINCED ITS SAFE, I AM NOT GOING TO TELL THEM HOW TO RUN THE BUSINESS MODEL. I NEED TO KNOW WHETHER THE COUNCIL WANTS TO DO IT FIRST.

ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR OF MOVING FORWARD, PORT ST. LUCIE BY AYE.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED.

AYE.

THERE WAS A 6-1.

WHAT WE WILL DO.

WHO MADE THE MOTION.

WHO MADE THE MOTION. NO, IT IS WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO. WE NEEDED DIRECTION. DO WE WANT TO MOVE FORWARD.

YOU DO THAT.

I WILL DO IT AS A MOTION.

I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE IT FORWARD FOR STAFF TO DO A RFP.

SECOND.

THE MOTION FOR MR. WAGNER AND SECOND FROM MISS DENYS. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY AYE.

OPPOSED.

AYE.

WHAT WE WILL DO IS PUT TOGETHER THE RFP AND CIRCULATE IT TO YOU. AND IF ANYONE HAS ANY CONCERNS OR COMMENT. IF I FIND THERE ARE COMMENTS OR CONCERNS, I WILL BRING IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL. I WILL WORK WITH THE STAFF.

NOW, YOU HAVE SOME GOOD NEWS.

WHILE THIS GROUP IS HERE BEFORE YOU, I AM GOING TO DO SOMETHING THAT MOST MANAGERS THAT SURVIVE DON'T DO. AND THAT IS, I HAVE A SURPRISE FOR YOU.

DO WE GET CAKE.

IT WILL ONLY TAKE A COUPLE OF MINUTES. WE FOUND OUT LATE YESTERDAY THAT OUR EFFORTS, THE EFFORTS WE MADE SUCCEEDING IN US BEING NAMED AND SELECTED BY THE. S LIFE SAVE SOMETHING ASSOCIATION AS THE SITE FOR THE NATIONAL LIFEGUARD CHAMPIONSHIPS IN AUGUST OF 2015 AND 2017, THE FOUR DAY EVENT ARE EXPECTED TO DRAW NEARLY 2,000 COMPETITORS AND IT IS ACROSS THE UNITED STATES. IT WILL BE HELD ON THE BEACH IN FRONT OF THE OCEAN WALK. IT WILL INCLUDE A RELAY. RUNNING, A SURF SWIM. AND RESCUE RACE. LAND LINE RESCUE AND IRON MAN AND IRON WOMEN COMPETITIONS. I WANT TO THANK ALL THE STAFF THAT WORKED HARD BEHIND THE SCENES TO SEE IF WE GET THIS. MARK, WOULD YOU COME TO THE PODIUM. HE CAN DESCRIBE A LITTLE BIT AND THE OTHER PERSON WHO HELPED US. CHARLIE LYDECKER AND HE COMMITTED $25,000 TO PROMOTE THE EVENT. AND IN FACT, WHY DON'T YOU EXPLAIN WHAT TOOK PLACE?

THIS WILL AFFECT HOTEL STAYS AND GIVEN SOME OF THE CHANGE IT IS WE MADE WHERE WE HAVE REEMPHASIZED LIFEGUARDS AND OCEAN RESCUE VERSUS POLICING, THIS GOES IN VEIN WITH THE NEW MODEL.

BEACH SAFETY. I PASSED OUT A FLYER. HOPEFULLY YOU GOT THEM ALL. WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, THIS IS AN EXAMPLE.

MARK, IF THEY HAD GIVEN THE FLYER OUT, IT WOULD HURT THE SURPRISE.

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE NATIONALS THAT WERE DONE IN DAYTONA BEACH IN 2004. THIS IS NOT FOR THE 2015 EVENT. PAT GAVE THESE OUT JUST SO YOU

CAN SEE WHAT THE EVENT ENTAILS. SO, WHAT HAPPENED, THIS COMPETITION, WHETHER IT BE A REGIONAL OR NATIONAL COMPETITION IS DONE ANNUALLY THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES. WE DID THIS IN 2004 AND WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION WITHIN OUR ORGANIZATION THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE EVENT COME BACK TO DAYTONA BEACH AGAIN. AND IT IS AN EVENT THAT WILL SPARK THE ECONOMY AND BRINGS IN A LOT OF PEOPLE IN TOWN AND IT BRINGS ABOUT TWO THOU COMPETITORS. AND IT GENERATES HEAD IT IS AND BEDS. AND SOME PLANE FARES AND PEOPLE FLYING IN FROM ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES. BUSINESS UNITS FOR THE -- BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES ALSO.

IT IS AN ADVENTUROUS TO WATCH.

SPECTATORS WILL BE DRAWN.

WE HESITATED IN THE PAST AND DECIDED THIS IS A TIME TO DO IT. IS BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE CHANGES WE MADE ON THE BEACH. WE ARE IN A BETTER POSITION TO REALLY REPRESENT THE HIGH QUALITY THAT WE HAVE IN TERMS OF OCEAN RESCUE AND WE HAVE SAFETY.

CORRECT. PRIOR TO MAKING AN APPLICATION, WE HAD TO SUBMIT AN ONLINE INTEREST APPLICATION STATING WE WERE INTERESTED IN HAVING IT COME TO THE BEACH. I WENT TO THE CONFERENCE. THE CONFERENCE WAS IN HUNTINGTON BEACH, CALIFORNIA THIS WEEK. AS PART OF THE CONFERENCE, THEY HAVE THE BOARD OF DIRECTOR'S MEETING. I AM ASSIGNED AS A DELEGATE FOR THE SOUTHEAST REGION AND I GAVE A VERY SHORT PRESENTATION ON OUR INTEREST IN HAVING THIS EVENT BROUGHT BACK IN FRONT OF THE COMPETITION SELECTION COMMITTEE AND IT WAS OVERWHELMING. EVERYBODY THAT WAS ON THE COMMITTEE WAS IN SUPPORT OF IT BEING DONE IN VOLUSIA COUNTY BECAUSE OF THE PAST REPUTATION OF HOW THINGS ARE DONE IN DAYTONA BEACH AS FAR AS THE LIFEGUARDS GO. SO, IT WAS AN UNANIMOUS DECISION TO HAVE IT HERE IN 2015 AND 2017. SO, THIS IS EXCITING AND ALSO DURING THE TIME I SPENT IN HUNTINGTON BEACH, I ALSO DID A SHORT PRESENTATION ON THE OCEAN RESCUE FOR THE WOMAN WHO DROVE THE CAR INTO THE SURF WITH HER CHILDREN. ALL THREE OF THE LIFEGUARDS THAT WERE PARTICIPATING IN THE RESCUE, THEY WERE APPROVED TO RECEIVE MEDALS OF HONOR WHICH IS THE HIGHEST ACHIEVEMENT THAT IS GIVEN THREW THE USLA, THEY WANT TO PRESENT IT TO THE LIFEGUARDS ON AUGUST 6th IN VIRGINIA BEACH. SO, IT IS A BIG ACCOMPLISHMENT FOR THEM AND I SHOWED THEM THE VIDEO THAT THEY HAVE ALL OVER THE NEWS ABOUT THE LADY DRIVING INTO THE OCEAN. IT WAS UNANIMOUS SUPPORT OF HONORING THE THREE LIFEGUARDS AND ALSO THE TWO BYSTANDERS AS WELL.

THEY WILL RECEIVE AWARDS OF HEROISM.

WE TALKED AND WE TALKED ABOUT MARK. I SAID HE WAS IN CALIFORNIA. THAT'S WHERE HE WAS. AND THE OTHER PERSON THAT REALLY HELPED. AND SO, I HAVE ASKED MARK TO MAKE SURE THIS GOES RIGHT AND CHAIR THIS TOGETHER WITH CHARLIE LYDECKER TO COCHAIR. IS DAVE OUT THERE?

I ALWAYS WANTED TO SAY THIS. CUE THE FILM.

CUE THE FILM.

GOOD MORNING. I LIKE TO ADD MY CONGRATULATIONS TO THE VOLUSIA COUNTY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO THE COUNTY MANAGER WHO WORKED TIRELESSLY BEHIND THE SCENES AND MARK SWAN SON WHO WORKED IN FRONT OF THE SCENES AND OUT THERE TO EARN VOLUSIA COUNTY, THE UNITED STATES LIFEGUARD ASSOCIATION'S NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS. NOT FOR ONE YEAR, BUT IN AN UNPRECEDENTED TWO YEARS. SO, FOR 2015, AND THEN FOR 2017, AUGUST, FOR FIVE DAYS, THE BEST ATHLETES THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WILL BE DESCENDING ON DAYTONA BEACH FOR OCEAN LIFEGUARD COMPETITIONS. THE NUMBER OF ATHLETES IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 1500 TO 2,000 ATHLETES THAT WILL BE HERE AND USING OUR HOTELS. AND RESTAURANTS AND ENJOYING THEMSELVES AND AVAILING THEMSELVES TO ALL THAT VOLUSIA COUNTY HAS TO OFFER. THE NICE THING YOU MAY NOT BE AWARE OF, APPROXIMATELY HALF OF THE ATHLETES ARE WHAT WE CALL JUNIORS. 18 YEARS OF AGE AND BELOW. THEY ARE HERE WITH THEIR FAMILIES. THAT WILL OCCUR ON THE WEDNESDAY/THURSDAY OF THE FOUR OR FIVE DAY CHAMPIONSHIPS AND THEN IF THE ADULT ROUNDS AFTER THAT. THURSDAY, FRIDAY, SATURDAY WILL BE THE ADULT RACING. THAT IS BROKEN OUT BETWEEN OPEN DIVISIONS AND MASTERS DIVISIONS. AND THE MASTERS DIVISIONS ARE EVERY, FOR AGE GROUPS. EVERY FIVE YEARS.

BUMP UP. IT WOULD NOT BE UNUSUAL TO SEE SOMEBODY NORTH OF 70 YEARS OF AGE OUT THERE COMPETING HERE IN VOLUSIA COUNTY. IT IS QUITE EXCITING. I AM VERY PLEASED ABOUT IT AND ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT IT. AND OUR COUNTY MANAGER AND MARK SWAN SON HAVE ASKED ME TO CO-CHAIR THE EVENTS WITH MARK SWAN SON AND WE WILL MAKE A NEAT TEAM. MY JOB IS TO SOLICIT SPONSORSHIPS AND SUPPORT THE EFFORT. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW ENTHUSIASTIC I AM. AND SUPPORTIVE I AM. THE TIMING IS FORTUITOUS. AND THE COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD FEEL VERY GOOD AND COUNTY MANAGER JIM DINNEEN SHOULD BE PROUD OF THE CHANGES THAT OCCUR IN OUR VOLUSIA COUNTY LIFEGUARD CORE. THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS FROM VEHICLES TO PEOPLE AND ALL THE THINGS THAT HAVE IMPACTED THE BEACHES HAVE BEEN WELL RECEIVED. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW PLEASED I AM FOR ALL OF YOU. MY DAUGHTER AND MY SON ACTUALLY WILL BE JOINING THE VOLUSIA COUNTY LIFEGUARD CORE. MY 16-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER JUST PASSED A 40 HOUR COURSE. AND THEN SHE HAD TO QUALIFY BY SWIMMING AND RUNNING CERTAIN SPEEDS AND ON TOP OF THE 40 HOUR LIFEGUARDING COURSE. SHE HAD TO PASS A 40 HOUR FIRST RESPONDER COURSE. WAY MORE THAN I REALIZED THAT YOU HAD TO DO. I THOUGHT IT WAS A LOT EASIER THAN THAT QUITE FRANKLY AND MY SON WHO WILL BE IS THE WILL BE -- WILL BE JOINING THE CORE AND HE IS STILL WORKING ON HIS 40 HOURS. HE IS AWAY FROM COLLEGE. AND HE SCOOPED ICE CREAM AND HE THOUGHT THIS WILL BE A NICE LITTLE TURN. WE SHALL SEE.

I AM STARTING TO GET WARM. IF EVERYTHING IS WORKED OUT CORRECTLY. YOU CAN SEE THAT I AM ON THE BEACH. SO, I MIGHT LOOK A LITTLE WEIRD WITH THE SUIT ON BUT I LOVE THIS BEACH AS DO VOLUSIA COUNTY RESIDENTS AND THE COUNTY COUNCIL AND ITS WISDOM AND COUNTY MANAGER JIM DIN HAVE DONE A GOOD -- JIM DINNEEN HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB HERE WITH THE UNITED STATES LIFEGUARD ASSOCIATION COMING HERE WITH THEIR NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS NEXT YEAR AND WILL GIVE US SOMETHING TO WORK FOR AND TOWARDS. IT IS THE BEGINNING OF RESTORING THE VOLUSIA COUNTY LIFEGUARDS CORPS, EXCELLENCE. NATIONAL CHAMPIONS HAVE COME OUT OF THIS CORP FOR DECADES. IT SLOWED DOWN THE LAST FIVE YEARS. A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON AND IT SIMPLY SEEMS TO HAVE EVAPORATED AND IT STRIKES ME AS IT AS APPROPRIATE NEXT CHAPTER IN THE LIFEGUARD CORPS WHERE THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO WORK

TOWARDS AND BUILD TOWARDS AND BE VERY, VERY PROUD. IT IS WITH ENTHUSIASM I ACCEPT THE CO-COUNCIL SHIP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

CHARLIE WANTED TO BE HERE TODAY. NO ONE GOT WET IN THE MAKING OF THAT FILM. OKAY. I REALLY APPRECIATE HIS ENTHUSIASM AND HIS HELP WITH THAT. AND I AM VERY PROUD OF YOUR TEAM. I THINK IT WAS A GOOD ANNOUNCEMENT. I DIDN'T LET YOU KNOW UNTIL LATE. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A GOOD SURPRISE.

CONGRATULATIONS, MARK. DON'T GO NOWHERE.

I HAVE ONE QUESTION.

WHAT HAPPENED TO 2016.

NORMALLY ALTERNATE THE EAST COAST, WEST COAST.

COULD HAVE BROUGHT THEM ALL. MR. WAGNER, PLEASE.

CONGRATULATIONS. IT IS VERY EXCITING AND NEAT TO HAVE THIS BACK. IT IS A GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENT. AND 2,000 PEOPLE COMING IN WITH THEIR FAMILIES. THAT IS SOMETHING TO BE PROUD.

IT IS GREAT FOR CAMARADERIE.

I KNOW IT SHOWS OFF WHAT THE COUNCIL HAS BEEN DOING.

THEY ARE PLEASED. THEY WILL PICK UP ROOMS.

ONE LAST COMMENT BEFORE YOU HEAD OFF TO LUNCH. I WANTED TO DO THIS PUBLICLY. YOU WILL SEE TODAY, WE WILL GIVE YOU A JUMP DRIVE. AND WHEN WE SOLICITED FOR THE AUDITOR. I KEEP A DISTANCE FROM THE PROCESS. WE SOLICITED AND GOT SEVERAL PEOPLE THAT MET THE MINIMUM QUALIFICATIONS THAT GAVE DID YOU PROPOSALS TO BE YOUR AUDITOR. WE WILL GIVE YOU A JUMP DRIVE THAT HAS ALL THE MATERIAL ON IT. I HAVE A BOX IN THE BACK THAT SHOWS THE WHAT THE MATERIAL IS LIKE IN TERMS OF BOOKS. PHYSICAL BOOKS. SHE ALREADY HAS IT RIGHT HERE.

IF SOMEONE WANTS ALL THE MATERIAL, ITS AN ENTIRE BOX WORTH AND WE CAN GIVE IT TO YOU THAT WAY AND WE DEFINITELY GAVE YOU THE JUMP DRIVE. I AM GOING TO ASK THE COUNCIL TO DO THE FOLLOWING. THAT IS, I DO NOT GET INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS OF NARROWING THIS DOWN. YOU HAVE SEVEN PEOPLE THAT HAVE APPLIED. WE TALKED ABOUT. HOW DO WE NARROW THAT DOWN WITHOUT EVER GIVING AN INDICATION BEFORE YOU DO INTERVIEWSES OF WHO MIGHT BE FIRST -- INTERVIEWS OF WHO MIGHT BE FIRST, SECOND AND THIRD. EACH COUNCIL PERSON SHOULD LOOK OVER THE MATERIAL FOR THE SEVEN FIRMS THAT SUBMITTED. AND IF BY ANY CHANCE, YOU BELIEVE THERE ARE FIRMS YOU DO NOT WANT TO HEAR FROM. YOU CAN MAKE THAT CHOICE AND IF YOU WOULD LET US KNOW BY THE NEXT MEETING, THEN WE CAN LOOK AND SEE IF THEY DIDN'T WANT TO HEAR FROM THAT PERSON AND ELIMINATE IT. THE TIMES YOU ARE LOOKING AT. YOU NEED HALF A DAY FOR THE INTERVIEWS. WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT JUNE 22nd OR JUNE 29th. AND I WILL BE GETTING BACK TO YOU. I WANTED TO PUT IT PUBLICLY ON THE RECORD OF HOW WE ARE HANDLING THIS.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU. MR. PATTERSON HAS A COMMENT BEFORE WE GO.

NO, MARK, I WENT THROUGH. AND HAD MY LIFEGUARD TRAINING AND GOT CERTIFIED 40 YEARS AGO. AM I STILL AVAILABLE?

ARE YOU OVER 70?

NO.

IT HAS CHANGED A LITTLE BIT.

IF YOU CAN PACES THE TEST.

ALL RIGHT. WE WILL BE AT LUNCH. WE WILL BE IN RECESS UNTIL 2:00 P.M.

WE HAVE A REQUEST FROM THE APPLICANTS HERE, THEY NEED IS TO GO TO ITEM 20 AND THEN ITEM 19. ANY OBJECTIONS? WE SHALL MOVE FORWARD. ALL RIGHT, ITEM 20 WILL BE UP FIRST WHICH IS A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE RESOLUTION OF PROPOSED VENEMENT, PETITIONER IS STETSON UNIVERSITY INCORPORATED. MR. BRITTON, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. JERRY BRENTON, ENGINEER. THIS IS ABOUT THE ACTION ITEM REQUEST FOR REZONING. IT'S A NECESSARY STEP FOR VACATION -

I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOING INTO THE REZONING, NEVER MIND, PLEASE.

THEY OWN PROPERTY ON LAKE BEERSFORD AND IT'S PART OF A PLANTED SUBDIVISION, IT'S APPROXIMATELY EIGHT ACRES. THEY ARE ANTIQUATED SMALL LOTS THROUGHOUT. THERE'S ALSO THREE SEGMENTS OF PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY THAT WAS PLANTED THAT HAS NOT BEEN ABANDONED. MAJORITY OF -- THROUGH PREVIOUS ACTION BY FORMER COUNTY COUNCIL, EVERYTHING YOU SEE IN THAT SALMON-COLORED OR TAN, DARKER TAN, HAS PREVIOUSLY BEEN VACATED BY COUNTY COUNCIL, FORMAL ACTION. SO THAT HAS BEEN RETURNED TO PRIVATE

OWNERSHIP. WHAT YOU SEE IN GREEN, ARE ALL THOSE ANTIQUATED LOTS THAT STETSON UNIVERSITY WOULD LIKE TO ABANDON THE LOT LINES, RETURN IT TO ACREAGE AND THEN THERE'S THREE SEGMENTS OF PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY THAT -- A LITTLE SEGMENT OF MATANZA STREET, ALH AMBRA AVENUE AND LAKE SHORE DRIVE, THEY ARE REQUESTING IT BE VACATED AND RETURNED TO PRIVATE OWNERSHIP. ACCESS TO WATER BODIES AND RIVERS OR LAKES, HAS BEEN A PRIORITY OF THE COUNCIL TO RETAIN PUBLIC ACCESS. IN THIS CASE STETSON UNIVERSITY WOULD LIKE TO ABANDON ALHAMBRA, PROVIDES DIRECT ACCESS TO THE LAKE. IT IS NOT OPEN TODAY. WHAT THEY ARE PROPOSING IS THAT AS THEY PUT TOGETHER -- IF THE REZONING OF THE NECK ACTION AND THIS -- NEXT ACTION AND THIS ACTION IS APPROVED THEY WOULD LIKE TO INCLUDE PROVIDING PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE LAKE BEERSFORD AS PART OF THE SITE PLAN AND DETERMINE WHERE EXACTLY IT WOULD GO. IT WILL GO TO YOUR DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL. SO WE FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT IT WILL ADEQUATELY ADDRESS THE COUNTY COUNCIL'S DIRECTION THAT THERE'S ADEQUATE PUBLIC ACCESS TO THAT LAKE. AGAIN, CURRENT ACCESS IS PAPER ONLY, IT DOESN'T EXIST. WHAT THEY WOULD BE REPLACING IT WITH WOULD BE BUILT PUBLIC ACCESS. I THINK THAT'S A BENEFIT IN ITSELF THERE. SO UTILITY PROVIDERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED AS WELL AS ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS. DUKE ENERGY, I THINK THEY WANT TO RETAIN AN EASEMENT WHICH IS -- THE UNIVERSITY HAS NO OBJECTION TO THAT. SO WE HAVE RECEIVED A FEW OBJECTIONS FROM THE PUBLIC, FROM OUR NOTICES OF THIS REQUEST FOR VACATION. I THINK THEY ALL INDICATED THEY WERE GOING TO BE HERE IN PERSON TO SPEAK TO IT. BUT STAFF SUPPORTS THIS, AND RECOMMENDS APPROVAL FROM THE COUNTY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THERE ANY OTHER STAFF REPORTS?

NO, SIR.

OK, WE WILL CLOSE THE STAFF REPORT SECTION OF THIS HEARING. WE NOW OPEN UP THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION SECTION. BEFORE WE GO TOO FAR INTO THAT -- BEFORE WE GO INTO THAT I WILL READ THE DISCLAIMER THAT WE HAVE. THE VOLUSIA COUNTY COUNCIL WELCOMES YOUR INVOLVEMENT AND IS INTERESTED IN HEARING YOUR COMMENTS. PLEASE COMPLETE THE YELLOW PARTICIPATION SLIP AND INDICATED IN THE SUBJECT LINE THE ISSUE YOU WISH TO ADDRESS. YOU MAY USE THE BACK IF YOU NEED TO. AFTER YOU ARE RECOGNIZED STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD BEFORE BEGINNING YOUR COMMENTS. YOU MAY SPEAK UP TO THREE MINUTES PER TOPIC. EITHER DURING PUBLIC PARTICIPATION OR WHEN AN AGENDA ITEM IS HEARD. THE COUNTY COUNCIL WILL NOT ANSWER REQUESTS OR QUESTIONS DURING THAT PUBLIC PART OF THE PARTICIPATION. PLEASE BE COURTEOUS AND RESPECTFUL TO OTHERS. DISRESPECT WILL NOT BE TOLERATED. YOU'VE ALL BEEN WARNED. OK. SO NOW YOU'LL BE PART OF THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION I SUPPOSE.

I'M REMINGTONING THE APPLICANT -- REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, MR. CHAIRMAN.

YOU WILL BE THE OTHER SIDE OF STAFF.

THAT'S CORRECT. CLAY ANDERSON, 200 SOUTH ORANGE AVENUE, ORLANDO, FLORIDA. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF STETSON UNIVERSITY AND DURING THE

ZONING PORTION OF THIS WE WILL RECOGNIZE PEOPLE BEHIND THE FOUR SHORT PRESENTATIONS. WE'RE DOING THIS A LITTLE BACKWARDS BECAUSE THE VACATION ACTUALLY HAS TO COME FIRST. BECAUSE THE REZONING WILL THEN REZONE WHAT YOU HOPEFULLY ARE ABOUT TO VACATE. SO WHAT THE -- THE ONLY THING I REALLY WANT TO SAY AT THIS TIME, I PUT MY OWN VISUAL UP HERE TO GIVE A BETTER LOOK AT THIS, THIS IS A 1926 PLAQUE. AS LIKE JERRY SAID MOST OF THE OLD STREETS IN THIS AREA HAVE ALREADY BEEN ABANDONED. WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS TO HAVE NOT ONLY THE STREETS BUT THIS PORTION OF THE PLAT ABANDONED. I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR FOR THE RECORD WHAT THE COUNTY IS GETTING IN RETURN BECAUSE I KNOW THIS IS AN ISSUE FOR THIS COUNCIL AND PREVIOUS COUNCILS. YOU WILL SEE ALHAMBRA EXTENDS AND DEAD ENDS INTO WHAT WAS THE OLD FISH CAMP AND THE LINES MOVED TO THE NORTHEAST PARALLEL TO THE BASIN. THAT IS THE EXTENSION OF THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY. SO WE'RE ASKING THAT TO BE ABANDONED. WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IS THIS COMES -- AS THIS COMES FORWARD TO BE DEVELOPED IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO PUT IN A -- A DEDICATED PERPETUAL ACCESS TO THE WATER FOR THE PURPOSES OF NONMOTORRIZED VESSELS. WE WILL NEED TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THAT. WE DO NOT WANT A BOAT RAMP HERE. NO ONE WANTS A BOAT RAMP HERE. IT WILL BE FOR NONMOTORRIZED BOAT ACCESS. THE PARKING PLAN YOU WILL SEE IN A FEW MINUTES UNDER THE ZONING CASE IS ALSO DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT MIGHT WANT TO DROP THEIR KAYAK, PUT IT IN AND PARK IN IT, IN A DESIGNATED SPOT. ALL WE'RE ASKING HERE IS FOR THE RIGHT OF WAYS TO BE VACATED AND IN RETURN FOR THAT WE'RE MAKING IT VERY CLEAR THE CONDITION OF THE RESOLUTION THAT THE PERPETUAL PUBLIC ACCESS FOR NONMOTORRIZED ACCESS WILL BE PROVIDED. WE'LL BE BACK FOR THE ZONING PORTION.

YOU'LL BE BACK. SO, STAY TUNED. ALL RIGHT. HERE WE GO, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. WE HAVE QUITE A FEW PEOPLE HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS. MR. STORCH, YOU WILL BE FIRST UP. THEN AFTER THAT, MR. HOTH?

I WILL TELL YOU THIS -- I REPRESENT -- MY NAME IS GLEN STORCH, I REPRESENT A NUMBER OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE AREA AND WE WORK CLOSELY WITH STETSON AND REPRESENTATIVES TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS, TO MAKE SURE THE ISSUE IS RESOLVED. WE'LL DISCUSS THAT MORE DURING THE REZONING CASE. AS TO THIS VACATION WE WOULD HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THIS VACATION BUT WE UNDERSTAND IT IS REQUIRED TO BE DONE. TO DO THE REZONING PROVIDED OF COURSE THAT THE REZONING IS CONSISTENT WITH THE AGREEMENT THAT WE'VE REACHED AND WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS. WE'LL DISCUSS THAT. THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT THIS POINT. THANK YOU.

GOING RIGHT ALONG HERE. ROBERT HOTH. DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK?

FOR THE ZONING CASE.

YOU WANT ZONING, OK. BECAUSE I HAVE 19 AND 20.

THEY WERE TOLD TO AND THEY DID IT.

I HAVE TO

THROUGH THE LIST HERE. JEFF ALTIER.

HE WILL BE DURING THE ZONING.

RIGSBY?

THE ZONING CASE.

MR. FERRELL? THERE THE ZONING CASE.

MR. CASBEER?

THE ZONING CASE.

AND BINAUER? REGINA?

I'M NOT SURE WHICH PART OF IT BUT I JUST HAVE TO -- A GENERAL QUESTION BECAUSE I LIVE ON LAKESHORE DRIVE.

COME ON FORWARD. WE HAVE A WINNER. [ LAUGHTER ]

YOU HAVE TO GIVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, MA'AM.

MY NAME IS REGINA, I LIVE AT 1559 LAKESIDE DRIVE IN DELAND. I'M HERE SIX MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR, WE'VE OWNED OUR HOME FOR 17 YEARS. ONE QUESTION I HAVE, THERE'S BEEN SOME CONFLICTS. WE PURCHASED OUR PROPERTY BECAUSE WE LIKE TO BOAT, WE LIKE TO FISH. IF THEY EXPAND THIS TO ALLOW SO MANY MORE ROWERS TO COME IN, WHAT IS THAT GOING TO DO WITH US AS FAR AS OUR HAVING ACCESS TO THE LAKE THAT WE BOUGHT BECAUSE WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT? SECONDLY, I HAVE A QUESTION REGARDING SEWAGE. IS THAT GOING TO BE HANDLED BY CITY AND NOT SEPTIC? AND THE OTHER THING IS THE TRAFFIC ON LAKESIDE DRIVE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S A VERY QUIET STREET, WE HAVE ALREADY HAD CARS PARKED DOWN THE SIDES OF OUR STREET WHEN THERE'S BEEN THESE EVENTS, WE HAVE HANDICAPPED PEOPLE IN WHEELCHAIRS THAT, THAT'S HOW THEY GET THEIR EXERCISE. WE HAVE A LOT OF ELDERLY PEOPLE THAT GO OUT, WALK THEIR DOGS, WALK A LITTLE BIT. I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC THAT THIS IS GOING TO BRING IN EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE SAYING IT'S NOT, I BELIEVE IT WILL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM. ANY OTHER PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON THIS ISSUE?

NO, SIR.

VERY WELL, WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AT THIS TIME AND OPEN UP FOR COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND ACTION. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR, MISS PAT NORTHEY.

MR. HENDERSON'S REMARKS REGARDING MAKING THAT A PUBLIC -- LEADING PUBLIC ACCESS IS NOT REFLECTED IN THE AGENDA ITEM. DID I MISS IT? OK, I DIDN'T SEE IT. BUT IT'S REAL SMALL PRINT.

THAT IS A VERY SMALL ITEM THERE.

YOU HAVE IT?

IT'S IN THE RESOLUTION.

I THINK I FOUND IT. LET ME SEE. OK. I FOUND IT. I FOUND IT.

THIRD PARAGRAPH.

THANK YOU, I WANTED TO CONFIRM IT WAS PART OF THE AGENDA ITEM. NOT THAT I DON'T TRUST MR. HENDERSON.

I AM STUNNED. [LIGHT LAUGHTER]

MR. PATTERSON, ARE YOU DONE?

YES. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

STILL PUBLIC PARTICIPATION?

NO, WE HAVE MOVED ON. WE ARE AT YOUR COMMENTS, SIR.

MY COMMENTS ARE I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO APPROVE THE ABANDONMENT OF A PORTION -- REGARDING THE PAGE 11 DELAND AREA.

MOTION FOR APPROVAL FROM MR. PATTERSON? AND MISS CUSACK HAS SECONDED IT. CONTINUING ON. MR. STORCH OR MR. HENDERSON, -- THERE YOU ARE. YOU MELDED RIGHT IN. THESE THREE QUESTIONS THAT -

I WOULD, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF WE COULD, WE WILL ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS IN OUR PRESENTATION UNDER THE ZONING CASE.

OK. WILL THAT BE SATISFACTORY FOR YOU, MADAM?

YES.

VERY WELL. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SEEING NO FURTHER DISCUSSION ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SIGNIFY BY AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. SO CARRIED. IT HAS BEEN ABANDONED. NOW WE WILL GO BACK, BACKWARDS TO ITEM NUMBER 19, RESOLUTION CASE, P.U.D.-14-037, REZONING FROM URBAN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL, R3 AND R4 TO COMMERCIAL MARINA, B7 TO BUSINESS PLAN UNIT PLAN DEVELOPMENT WHICH IS BPUD. OUR JUNIOR AGENT HERE FOR STETSON UNIVERSITY, ROBERT HOTH.

GOOD MORNING. THIS IS A REZONING TO A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS PLAN DEVELOPMENT FROM THE EXISTING ZONING AS MENTIONED AS A EXISTING B7 WHICH IS A COMMERCIAL MARINA ZONING CLASSIFICATION, COVERS THE AREA ADJACENT TO LAKE BEERSFORD. THE REST IS SINGLE ZONING CLASSIFICATIONS. THIS IS THANKS TO THE VACATION, APPROXIMATELY A 9.9-ACRE SITE INCLUSIVE OF FORMER PLATT FOR THE ENTIRE PROJECT WHICH CONSIST OF A RECREATIONAL COMPONENT WHICH IS CURRENTLY THE OPERATION ON THE SIDE WHICH IS THE STETSON CREW, ACTIVITY, THE CLUBHOUSE THERE, THERE'S STORAGE FOR THE EQUIPMENT AS WELL AS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR A NEW BOATHOUSE AND KIND OF MULTIPURPOSE ROOM ON THE TWO-STORY

STRUCTURE. THEY INTEND TO HAVE EDUCATIONAL USES AS WELL AS POTENTIAL CIVIC USES ON THE SAID PROPERTY. THIS AS A P.U.D. IS SUBJECT TO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT AND CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN WHICH IS IN YOUR PACKET, AT THE MEETING THERE WERE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS AND ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS PLACED ON THIS FROM THE ORIGINAL STAFF. REVIEW. IT WAS RECOMMENDED YOU APPROVE THIS ON A 5-1 VOTE WITH CONDITIONS. THOSE CONDITIONS HAVE BEEN WORKED OUT BETWEEN STAFF AND HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED IN TO A NEW DEVELOPMENT WE ARE RECOMMENDING TO YOU. THAT AGREEMENT IS ON PAGE 1957 OF YOUR PACKAGE AND INCORPS RATES VARIOUS CONDITIONS. AGAIN, THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED AT THE MEETING. I HIGHLIGHT ONE CORRECTION I WANT TO MAKE ON PAGE 1960 LINE FIVE AS FAR AS MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT. IT'S BEEN AGREED TO A 35-FOOT HEIGHT. INSTEAD OF 45 AS WRITTEN IN THE ITEM IT'S GOING TO BE 35 FEET. WHICH IS COMPARABLE TO WHAT THE CURRENT RESIDENTIAL ZONINGS ARE ALLOWED WHICH IS THE MAXIMUM 35 FEET. WE'VE REVIEWED THIS IN THE THE COURTS WITH THE CRITERIA ON THE ORDINANCE. WITH CIRCUMSTANCES AFFECTING THE AREA. AFFECTS THE SURROUNDING AREA AND STAFF. AND AGAIN I RECOMMENDED TO YOU APPROVAL, SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS FROM THE -- STAFF, YOU CAN ADDRESS ANY COMMENTS YOU HAVE AT THIS TIME. I DO NEED TO ASK, IF EXPPRA COMMUNICATION HAS -- EXPAR COMMUNICATION HAS OCCURRED YOU ANNOUNCE THAT FOR THE PUBLIC RECORD.

I BELIEVE THERE'S A QUESTION.

I HAVE TALKED TO MR. HENDERSON AND MR. STORCH. REGARDING THIS ISSUE. QUESTION, THE CURRENT ZONING SAYS COMMERCIAL MARINA. I MEAN, SO THAT'S A -- MORE INTENSE USE THAN WHAT WE'RE -- THEY ARE PROPOSING HERE.

YES, SIR. THE B7 WOULD ALLOW NOT ONLY COMMERCIAL MARINA BUT CERTAIN SPECIALTY RETAIL USES THAT WOULD BE FOR STORAGE AND WHAT IS BEING PROPOSED ARE MARINA-TYPE USES BUT RESTRICTED TO MORE MANPOWER IF YOU WILL, NOT MOTORI ED BOATING IF YOU WILL, THERE WILL BE SOME SMALL ONES FOR COACHING AND TRAINING. NOT THE ADDITIONAL COMMERCIAL USES OF MARINE SERVICING, HOTELS OR RETAIL THAT ARE ALLOWED UNDER THE B7 DOCTRINE.

IT COULD HAVE BEEN -- AIRBOATS AND ANYTHING LIKE THAT?

YES, SIR, THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT'S WHAT I WANTED, THANK YOU.

MISS NORTHEY?

YOU WANT TO EX PARTE COMMUNICATION DISCLOSE? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW? OK. I SPOKE WITH MR. HENDERSON, THE CFO, I SPOKE WITH JUDY WILSON WHO I THINK IS THE COACH'S WIFE, MAYBE? SHE'S MY RUNNING COACH. I RECEIVED A NUMBER OF E-MAILS. I THINK THAT'S IT.

BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER, ANYBODY ELSE WITH EX PARTE? I'VE HAD VERY MINIMAL CONVERSATIONS WITH MR. STORCH AND HENDERSON BUT OTHER THAN THAT -

I FEEL OFFENDED THEY DIDN'T CALL ME SO I AM VOTING AGAINST THIS RESOLUTION.

YOU'RE INCONSEQUENTIAL . [LIGHT LAUGHTER]

WITH THAT ANY OTHER STAFF COMMENTS? VERY WELL, WE HAVE CLOSE THE STAFF PARTICIPATION OF THIS MEETING. AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.

ACTUALLY TO THE APPLICANTS' PRESENTATION.

I NEVER GET THE APPLICANTS' PRESENTATION. IT ALWAYS SAYS PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. I WANT TO LIMIT YOU TO THREE MINUTES. [ LAUGHTER ]

IF YOU -- IF WE DO THIS RIGHT WE WILL GET THROUGH THIS A LOT QUICKER. IF YOU WANT TO HEAR FROM THREE MINUTES FROM EVERYBODY -

I REALLY DON'T. ARE YOU SPEAKING FOR THIS GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS?

THIS IS MR. CHAIRMAN FOR THE RECORD. FOR THE RECORD. CLAY HENDERSON ON BEHALF OF AT THE STETSON UNIVERSITY, THE APPLICANT. THERE'S A DECK OF SLIDES, A PRESENTATION, I HAVE THIS LAID OUT BETWEEN THE NUMBER OF FOLKS FROM STETSON WHO ARE BEHIND ME. EVERYONE TOLD TO BE ON THEIR BEST BEHAVIOR. WE WILL RUN THROUGH THIS QUICKLY BUT HAVE TO GET THIS ON THE RECORD TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN POSED. THAT'S HOW WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IT IF IT FITS OK WITH YOU WE WOULD PROCEED.

OK. I DO NOT SEE NOR HEAR ANY OBJECTIONS.

OK. THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE THE ACTION THAT HAS BEEN NOW TAKEN ON THE VACATION AND WILL MOVE TO THE BPUD. WE'RE HERE AT THE -- ON A STAFF MPLD.

CAN YOU MOVE THE MICROPHONES APART? WE'RE GETTING SOME FEEDBACK?

IS THIS BETTER?

YEAH.

VERY GOOD. I NEVER KNOW. WE'RE HERE ON A RECOMMENDATION OF STAFF FOR APPROVAL TO BPUD. IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY HEARD IT WAS A LOVELY THREE-HOUR HEARING BEFORE THE PLDRC. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TONIGHT IS TO SUMMARIZE ALL OF THAT INTO THE AGREEMENTS THAT WE MET. I WILL SAY QUICKLY I THINK THIS IS A LITTLE HISTORIC IN TWO RESPECTS. FIRST, 130 YEARS OF STETSON UNIVERSITY IT'S THE FIRST TIME THAT STETSON EVER HAD TO COME BEFORE THE COUNTY COUNCIL AND ASK FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT APPROVAL. ALL THE YEARS THERE'S BEEN GREAT COOPERATION WITH WITH THE CITY OF DELAND. THIS IS A FIRST. IT'S ALSO FIRST IN ANOTHER RESPECT. FIRST TIME MR. STORCH AND I IN THREE DECADES HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO DEBATE THE SIDES OF THE ISSUE. THIS HAS BEEN A LITTLE FUN. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TO QUICKLY RECOGNIZE THE FOLKS WHO WILL FOLLOW ME. THAT WILL BE -- I'LL INTRODUCE THEM, WE'LL GO THROUGH THIS, BOB HOOTHE, VICE PRESIDENT AND CFO, FOLLOWED BY JEFF ALTIER, ATHLETIC DIRECTOR, TERRY FARRELL, FROM THE BIOLOGY DEPARTMENT. FOLLOWED BY

OTHERS AND I WILL CLOSE. BEFORE TURNING IT OVER I WILL DO WHAT I WANT TO DO -- MOST TIMES, TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION TO A FEW PEOPLE THAT GOT US TO THIS -- MR. PATTERSON, OUTSTANDING IN ISSUES NOT ONLY WITH US BUT STAFF AND NEIGHBORS. RECOGNIZE AND APPRECIATE YOUR MANAGER JIM DINNEEN FOR COORDINATING A LOT OF THIS TODAY. KELLY McGEE, SCOTT ASHLEY AND SEAMAN BECAUSE WE GOT TO IT A POINT WHERE WE CAN SUMMER RISE THIS FOR YOU TODAY. SUMMARIZE THIS FOR YOU TODAY. BOB?

THANK YOU. HERE TO IDENTIFY THAT STETSON UNIVERSITY HAS BEEN, IS, AND WILL TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR.

MR. -

421 NORTH WOODLAND BOULEVARD, DELAND, FLORIDA, 32723. ESTABLISHED IN 1883, ONE OF THE OLDEST INSTITUTIONS IN VOLUSIA COUNTY, CONSISTENTLY RANKED AS ONE OF THE BEST REGIONAL UNIVERSITIES IN THE SOUTHEAST. HAS HISTORIC DISTRICT THAT IS FAIRLY LARGE WITH 19th CENTURY BUILDINGS. SUSTAINABILITY IS A CORE VALUE AND WE HAVE FOUR LEAD CERTIFIED BUILDINGS.

JEFF ALTIER, ATHLETIC DIRECTOR. 508 NORTH KANSAS, DELAND, FLORIDA, 32724.

WE NEED YOUR NAME -

JEFF ALTIER

THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS WE'VE BEEN USING ATHLETICS TO GROW THE INSTITUTION AND TO INCREASE THE VIBRANCY OF CAMPUS, TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY AND OUR ALUMNI. MOST OF YOU, AND I KNOW I SAW MOST OF YOU AT THE STADIUM WHEN WE DEDICATED IT IN THE REFURBISHMENT OF THE STADIUM. IT WAS DONE AS A STRATEGY FOR THE INSTITUTION TO ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY TO GROW THE UNIVERSITY. A STRATEGY HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL FOR US AND WE GAINED, GROWN BY OVER 35% IN THE LAST THREE YEARS OF OUR FULLTIME UNDERGRADUATE POPULATION. WHEN WE BROUGHT FOOTBALL BACK WE HAD THE CITY OF DELAND DOING IMPACT STUDY AND SAID OVER SEVEN YEARS WE'RE GOING TO IMPROVE THE VOLUSIA COUNTY ECONOMY BY $47 MILLION, THAT WAS BASED ON A VERY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE OF 2,500 SPECTATORS A GAME AT THE FOOTBALL STADIUM. AS THOSE OF YOU INTENDED YOU SAW IT CLOSELY AVERAGED 5,500 SPECTATORS AT A GAME. THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF BRINGING THE SPORT OF FOOTBALL BACK TO THE UNIVERSITY WAS SIGNIFICANT NOT ONLY FOR THE UNIVERSITY ITSELF BUT FOR THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. WE EXTEND THAT SAME STRATEGY INTO OUR ROWING PROGRAM AND OUR PROJECTION IS GROW OUR ROWING PROGRAM, BY OVER 50%, TO USE THIS SITE WE'VE USED SINCE 2001. WE STARTED TO ROW AT STETSON IN 1988, IT BECAME A CLUB SPORT BUT BECAUSE OF THE INTEREST OF THE STUDENTS WE QUICKLY GREW IT TO AN INTERCLUSION SPORT. 2001 WE STARTED ON OUR ALHAMBRA PROPERTY AND BEEN TRAINING THERE EVER SINCE. IN THAT TIME FRAME WE'VE HAD TEAMS FROM THE CANADIAN NATIONAL TEAM OUT THERE TRAINING. WE HAVE HAD

14 OTHER COLLEGIATE TEAMS AND MORE THAN 450 ATHLETES JUST IN 2014 ALONE. COME OUT TO THAT SITE. OF COURSE ALL OF YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS IN ECONOMIC IMPACT. THEY ARE SPENDING MONEY IN OUR HOTELS, SPENDING MONEY IN OUR RESTAURANTS. SPENDING MONEY IN THE TRANSPORTATION HERE LOCALLY. SO, TEAMS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD WILL COME HERE. WE HAD SENIOR ROWERS, WE HAD FOUR COUNTRIES REPRESENTED THIS PAST YEAR THAT COME HERE BECAUSE OF OUR HEAD COACH MARK WILSON AND HIS REPUTATION BUT BECAUSE OF THE WATER THAT IS OUT HERE ON THE LAKE. THE LAKE AND THAT PROPERTY IS BEAUTIFUL FLAT WATER. I SHOULD HAVE SAID IN 2017 THE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS WILL BE HELD IN SARASOTA, FLORIDA, AND IN THAT TIME FRAME ALL THE NATIONAL TEAMS THAT GO TO PARTICIPATE WILL BE LOOKING FOR A SITE TO TRAIN PRIOR TO COMING TO THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS. WE'RE HOPEFUL BECAUSE OF THE LAKE AND WATER ON THE PROPERTY THEY WILL COME HERE AND USE OUR PROPERTY. IT'S FLAT WATER. IT'S BEAUTIFUL, PROTECTED FLAT WATER WITH MILES OF ST. JOHN'S RIVER THAT IS A NO WHIG ZONE. WE PLAN ON HAVING A LOT OF NONMOTORIZEED BOAT TRAFFIC OUT THERE TO SUPPORT THAT. IN PREPARATION FOR THIS, AS WE MOVER FORWARD FOR PLANNING THIS PROJECT, WE REACHED OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, WE DID A SPECIAL EFFORT TO MAKE SURE WE HAD EVERYBODY -- GAVE EVERYBODY IN THE LOCAL COMMUNITY THE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ADJOINED THE PROPERTY. WE INVITED THEM TO DINNER. WE FED THEM A BARBECUE THAT WE PREPARED AND PROVIDED THEM WITH ALL THE INFORMATION WE COULD ABOUT THIS UPCOMING PROJECT. WE SHARED WITH THEM AND PERSONAL BUSINESS BY OUR HEAD COACH MARK WILSON AND OTHERS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WAS AWARE WHAT HAVE OUR PLANS WERE AND WE GAVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE US INPUT AND THE NET RESULT IS CHANGES TO THE DOCUMENT WHICH IS YOU'LL SEE TODAY.

DOCTOR TERRY FERRELL IS NEXT.

I'M A PROFESSOR OF BIOLOGY AT STETSON. 421 NORTH WOODLAND AVENUE, DELAND. I WANT TO SPEAK TO THE IMPORTANCE THIS HAS FOR THE ACADEMICS AT STETSON. WE HAVE WONDERFUL SCIENCE PROGRAMS AND MANY STUDENTS INTERESTED IN AQUATIC BIOLOGY, ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE AND WE HAVE BEEN USING THIS FOR OVER A DECADE TO FURTHER THAT PROGRAM. AND SO WE CONSIDER IT A MAJOR INSTITUTIONAL PRIORITY, MADE SEVERAL HIRES OF NEW FACULTY THIS YEAR WITH PEOPLE WHO FOCUSED ON FRESH WATER ISSUES. SO I SEE THIS AS A HUGE BENEFIT. THE NEW ZONING PLAN TO OUR ACADEMIC PROGRAM AND ALSO BELIEVE IT'S A REAL BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY. OUR SCIENTISTS ARE STUDYING WATER QUALITY ISSUES, INVASIVE WILDLIFE ISSUES AND HOST OF OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS. AND GIVEN THE IMPORTANCE OF FRESH WATER RESOURCES TO VOLUSIA COUNTY I THINK WE CAN WORK WITH THE COMMUNITY AND DO SOME GOOD THINGS, WORKING OUT OF THIS SITE. THANK YOU.

TAD CASEBEER, 110 WEST INDIANA IN DELAND REPRESENTING STETSON. THE SITE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IS LOCATED ON THE OLD CLIFTON MARINA. THIS SITE HAS BEEN USED BY STETSON FOR ROWING FOR QUITE SOME TIME, 12, 13 YEARS. IT'S GOVERNED BY THE HONTU PENINSULA LOCAL PLAN WHICH REQUIRES OR REGULATES THE TRAFFIC OUT THERE, KEEPS US FROM RAISING IT ABOVE A CERTAIN LEVEL AS WELL AS REQUIRING COMPLIANCE WITH THE WEKIVA RIVER AQUATIC PRESERVE PLAN. STAFF HAD MENTIONED THE SITE HAS THREE DIFFERENT ZONING TYPES ON IT. B7 COMMERCIAL MARINA THE MOST INTENSE, ALSO INCLUDING R3 AND R4 AS WELL. THE ZONING TYPES OUT THERE ALLOW

SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEVELOPMENT, IF WE WERE TO PROCEED UNDER THOSE ZONINGS, FROM 27 HOMES TO THE B7ALING LOWING COMMERCIAL -- B7 ALLOWING COMMERCIAL ARENA, NIGHTCLUB OR HOTEL NONE OF WHICH WE HAVE AN INTEREST IN FOR THIS PROPERTY. AS WE MENTIONED DURING THE VACATION, THE OVERALL SITE WITH THE ROADS INCLUDED, WOULD BE 9.91 ACRES AND THE GOAL AT THAT POINT WAS TO GET ONE LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WAS EASILY DEVELOPABLE AND DEVELOP A SITE THAT STETSON WOULD BE HAPPY WITH. THE SITE IS PRETTY STRAIGHT FORWARD IN TERMS OF DESIGN. WE'RE TRYING TO IMPROVE THE CONDITIONS THERE. WE WILL ADD A BOATHOUSE TO ALLOW FOR THE STORAGE OF THE, I BELIEVE THE BOATS ON THE BOTTOM FLOOR. THAT WOULD BE OPEN TO POTENTIAL FLOODING, NOT UNCOMMON NOR BOAT HOUSES. THE SECOND WOULD BE A MULTIPURPOSE ROOM TO BE USED FOR EVENTS DURING RACES OR REGET GATAS -- REGATAS OR FOR EDUCATIONAL USE. SCIENTISTS COMING TO THE LAKE TO STUDY. THEY CAN SET UP THEIR EQUIPMENT AND DO WHAT THEY NEED TO. WE INCLUDE THREE POTENTIAL PAVILIONS, ONE WOULD NEED TO BE SLIGHTLY RELOCATED TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE NO IMPACTS WITH THE WETLANDS. THE GOAL OF THE PAVILIONS IS TO HAVE A STABLIZED SURFACE, AGAIN FOR USE BY CLASSROOM ACTIVITIES OR DURING ROWING EVENTS. THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY PERMANENT STRUCTURE, JUST A STABLIZED STABLIZED AREA FOR USE BY THE PARTICIPANTS. AT A PART OF OUR PLAN WE GO AHEAD AND ESTABLISH A SET PARKING PATTERN. PUT IN SET DRIVE AISLES RIGHT NOW. YOU CAN SEE FROM THE AERIAL IT'S BASICALLY GRASS. THERE IS SOME DIRT DRIVING IN THERE BUT THERE'S REALLY NO PLAN TO WHAT SHAPE OR FORM. WE GO AHEAD AND MAKE USE OF THE EXISTING DRIVEWAYS AS ESTABLISHED, PUT IN PARKING, THE MAJORITY WOULD BE GRASS PARKING. OBVIOUSLY THE 88 PARKING SPACES REQUIRED WOULD BE CONCRETE. WE ALSO PROVIDE FOR PARKING ON THE SOUTH SIDE FOR THE TRAILERS, BRINGING THE SKULLS OR BOATS TO THE SITE. SO THAT WE CAN HOPEFULLY OFFSET ANY ISSUES WITH THE TRAFFIC OUT THERE ON THE ROAD. THE PLAN ALSO SHOWS ON THE LEFTHAND SIDE, WEST SIDE THAT THERE BE OPEN GRASS PARKING FOR THE LARGER EVENTS. WE GO AHEAD AND ESTABLISH A TRAFFIC PATTERN AS WELL AS A PARKING PATTERN TO GO IN THERE THAT WOULD BE AGREED TO BY THE COUNTY STAFF. THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO PARK AS MANY CARS WITHIN OUR SITE, SIGNS WOULD BE ESTABLISHED AND SET UP SO THERE WOULD BE NOTIFIED THERE'S NO PARKING ON THE STREETS. OR IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS. FOR OFFSITE EVENTS OR FOR EVENTS ON THE SITE WE WOULD HAVE OFFSITE PARKING AND WE WOULD GO AHEAD AND BUS PEOPLE IN OR MOVE THEM IN BY VAN, SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES. THE HEIGHTS OF THE BPUD AGREEMENT, AS NOTED IN THE MASTER PLAN, PAVILIONS, DOCKS, TO PREPARE THE SITE FOR IMPROVED USE OUT THERE, WE PROVIDE LANDSCAPE BUFFERS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS. THE SITE BENEFITS FROM A FAIRLY DENSE VEGETATION AROUND THE PERIMETER. WE MAINTAIN THAT WHERE POSSIBLE AND IF ANYTHING WE WOULD GO AHEAD AND FILL IN THE GAPS THAT MAY OCCUR OUT THERE. BUILDING SETBACK IS 50 FOOT. AS SHOWN IN OUR PLAN WE'RE WELL BEYOND THE 50 FOOT. IT'S NOT OUR INTENT TO BE RIGHT NEXT TO THE NEIGHBORS, WE WOULD LIKE SPACE BETWEEN OURSELVES AND THEM. I'M SURE THEY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE SPACE BETWEEN OURSELVES AND THEM. THE INTENT OF THE SITE IS PRIMARILY FOR THE USE OF A MARINA. THERE ARE ANCILLARY USES, EDUCATION, THAT TYPE OF THING THAT ARE ALLOWED IN THERE. AS WE NOTED EARLIER THE TRANSPORTATION REQUIREMENT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE A CHOICE IN. IT'S GOVERNED BY THE MASTER PLAN SO WE CERTAINLY ABIDE BY THAT IN ALL EVENTS.

DAVE RIGSBY, 421 NORTH WOODLAND BOULEVARD, STETSON UNIVERSITY. I'M SPEAKING TO THE IMPORTANCE OF OUR NATIVE LANDSCAPE THAT IS ON THE EXISTING SITE. AND STETSON SHALL MAINTAIN THE EXISTING VEGETATION THAT IS ON THE SITE WITHIN THE REQUIRED PERIMETERS. AS A PART AND PARCEL OF THAT MARCY IS HANDING OUT AN EXHIBIT NOW THAT WOULD LIST PLANT PALLETTE THAT WE CAN CHOOSE FROM TO USE TO PLUG IN AS TAD SAID A SECOND AGO, SOME ADDITIONAL PLANT MATERIAL OR TREE MATERIAL THAT MIGHT BE NEEDED FOR HOLES IN THE EXISTING BUFFERS. THE PLANT MATERIAL IS, AS YOU LOOK IT OVER IS A LOT OF THE PLANT MATERIAL WE USE ON STETSON'S CAMPUS. YOU CAN OBVIOUSLY SEE BY THAT WE FEEL WE'VE DONE A GREAT JOB AT THAT. AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT. IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS? IF NOT, THANK YOU.

MR. CHAIRMAN.

CLAY HENDERSON TO CLOSE AND WE'LL GO FORWARD. WITH A FEW REMAINING SLIDES. THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES AS STAFF SAID HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED. THIS ACTUALLY -- I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS PART OF THE RIVER AQUATIC PRESERVE. WE HAVE TO HAVE SETBACKS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. AND THE GOOD NEWS IS WE'RE REPLACING AN OLD MARIJUANAA MARIJUANA -- MARINA WITH BASICALLY AN OLD MOTOR IZED MARINA. AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT THERE'S A OLD ARTESIAN WELL ON THE SITE. THAT'S WHY THIS IS CALLED THE FLOWING WELL. WE WILL CAP IT. SO WE'LL DEAL WITH THOSE. I WANTED TO -- TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE SPENT WITH P UD AND THE NEIGHBORS AND I BELIEVE -- IT'S BEEN VERY GOOD WORKING WITH THEM. THEY HAD A NUMBER OF CONCERNS, WE'RE MOSTLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE SIZE AND SCOPE OF THE REGATAS, AND AGREEMENTS WE HAVE REACHED ARE NO MORE THAN TWO PER SEASON IN THE FALL AND IN THE SPRING. THERE ARE LOTS OF CONTINGENCIES IN THE ORDINANCE FOR HOW WE WILL DEAL WITH THOSE IMPACTS IN TERMS OF NOISE AND WASTE WATER. THE NEIGHBOR ASKED THE QUESTION OF THE WASTE WATER, FOR INSTANCE, WILL BE HOOKED UP TO THE SEWER PLANT. WE WILL PROVIDE WATER, WE'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH OTHER THINGS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE FOR THE -- FOR THE EVENTS. AND THEN THE BIG ISSUE, GIVE YOU A WARNING OF THIS -- THE BIG ISSUE WE WORKED THROUGH IS, I KNOW YOU LOVE US SO WE'RE GOING TO SEE YOU AGAIN IN TWO YEARS. WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK IN TWO YEARS AND TELL YOU HOW GOOD WE'VE BEEN, THAT WE WERE REALLY GOOD NEIGHBORS, THESE ARE THE PLANS THAT WE DID AND WE WILL ASK YOU TO ALLOW THE REGATTAS AS A PERMANENT USE. SO THAT WAS THE BREAKTHROUGH ISSUE THAT GOT US THROUGH THE PLDRC. OTHER ISSUES THAT I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF THESE BUT BASICALLY DEALT WITH SOUND, BUFFER THE NOISE, HOW TO DEAL WITH THE BUSES, LOTS OF -- BECAUSE THERE ARE STUDENTS LOTS OF DISCUSSION ABOUT ALCOHOL POLICY, THE NCAA POLICIES PROHIBIT ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AT EVENTS. IT'S TAKEN CARE OF. OTHER THAN THAT STETSON HAS A VERY COMPREHENSIVE ALCOHOLIC POLICY THAT WILL BE APPLIED HERE. THE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE RESTRICTED WITH ONE EXCEPTION, DOCTORS FERRELL TOLD YOU WE WANT TO USE THIS SITE FOR ASTRONOMY CLASSES SO WE EXPECT FOR SOME SPECIAL ASTRONOMICAL EVENTS THAT WE ACTUALLY MIGHT BE THERE AFTER 11:00 AND EVERYBODY'S HAPPY WITH THAT. WE'LL BE QUIET AND LOOK AT THE STARS. BUT THESE ARE THE ISSUES WE WENT THROUGH TO MAKE THIS WORK. SO I WOULD JUST FINISH, WE'VE DONE THE VACATION, WE'LL ASK FOR YOUR ULTIMATE APPROVAL. WE LOOK FORWARD TO MR. STORCH COMING UP AND GIVING HIS BLESSING OF THIS. BUT IT IS INDEED BEEN AN INTERESTING PROCESS TO GET US TO THIS POINT AND I HOPE

YOU CAN SHARE ENTHUSIASM FOR THIS BECAUSE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS THIS IS GOING TO ADD TO A NEW LEVEL OF EXCITEMENT HERE IN WEST VOLUSIA. WITH THAT WE'LL CONCLUDE OUR PORTION OF THE HEARING. I'LL STAND FOR QUESTIONS LATER IF THERE ARE ANY. I AM AN SHE IS -- I AM ANXIOUS TO HEAR WHAT MR. STORC THHAS TO SAY.

SO ARE WE. ANYBODY ELSE THAT WISHES TO MAKE COMMENT ON THIS ISSUE? BEFORE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION SECTION? WE WILL ADDRESS YOUR QUESTIONS MOMENTARILY. AGAIN, MR. STORCH -- UNLESS YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AGAIN, MA'AM?

NO.

OK. MR. STORCH.

GLEN STORCH.

I NEED YOUR ADDRESS.

420 SOUTH NOVA ROAD, DAYTONA BEACH, FLORIDA. I WAS CALLED BY TAVER CORNETT, I DON'T KNOW IF MANY OF YOU KNOW HIM, HE WAS ON THE COMMITTEE FOR DECADES, TAUGHT ME HOW TO DEAL WITH THINGS AND ALSO ONE OF THE KEY COMPONENTS OF MAIN STREET, ONE OF THE REASONS WHY DELAND IS DOING SO WELL. I GREATLY APPRECIATE TAVER. HE ASKED ME TO COME AND SEE IF HE COULD HELP FACILITATE DISCUSSIONS BETWEEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND STETSON. TO SOLVE SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS. WE HAVE A WILLING PARTNER. WHEN YOU HAVE A WILLING PARTNER YOU ARE ABLE TO SOLVE PROBLEMS. WE SAT DOWN WITH STETSON IN THIS CASE AND I GREATLY APPRECIATE STETSON HAS DONE REGARDING THIS TO LOOK AND SEE HOW THESE EVENTS COULD IMPACT THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND HOW WE CAN MITIGATE THAT POTENTIAL IMPACT TO MAKE SURE IT DOES NOT IMPACT IN A NEGATIVE WAY. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE DID. CLAY WENT THROUGH A LIST OF ALL THOSE THINGS THAT STETSON AGREED TO. WE GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT. ALL THE RECOMMENDATIONS. LIKE I SAID AS LONG AS YOUR MOTION IS CONTAINED -- CONTAINS THE THINGS WE AGREED UPON, WHAT'S BEEN RECOMMENDED, I CONSIDER THIS A WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE TO SOLVE PROBLEMS. BECAUSE THESE THINGS ARE -- STETSON HAS US NOW. WE HAD A REGATTA AND WE HAD PROBLEMS WITH PARKING AND OTHER ISSUES. THIS GAVE US A CHANCE TO FIX THAT. TO SOLVE THOSE PROBLEMS. I THINK AS WE'VE DONE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE AND BY WORKING TOGETHER WE'VE DONE THAT. THE ONLY THING I NEED TO YOU DO BESIDES RECOMMEND THE APPROVAL -- APPROVE THIS IS YOU WILL NEED TO ALSO GIVE DIRECTION TO YOUR STAFF THAT IT IS OK TO HAVE EITHER TEMPORARY OR PERMANENT NO PARKING SIGNS ALONG THE STREETS. AS PROVIDED -- AS PROVIDED IN THE RESOLUTION, IS THAT CORRECT, JAIME? OK. THAT YOU'VE GIVE AUTHORITY FOR, THE POLICE POWERS TO THE COUNTY TO ALLOW US TO HAVE TEMPORARY PARKING OR PERMANENT NO PARKING SIGNS IN THE STREETS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WOULD WANT TO HAVE THAT. IT'S A FURTHER ATTEMPT TO WORK TOGETHER TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM, TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE A REPEAT OF SOME OF THE PROBLEMS WE HAD BEFORE. SO WE CAN ALL WORK TOGETHER AS GOOD NEIGHBORS. I WILL TELL YOU NOW I'M SEEING THAT ALREADY TAKING PLACE. THE NEIGHBORS WORKING WITH AT THE STETSON. I WILL SEE THAT ESPECIALLY IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS, ONE OF THE REASON THAT TWO-YEAR PROVISION WAS THERE, IT GIVERS US A CHANCE TO FINE-TUNE THIS AND MAKE SURE ALL THE CONDITIONS WORK. IF NOT WE CAN

COME UP WITH ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS TO WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS HAPPY. THIS IS GOOD FOR US, IT'S GOOD FOR THE COUNTY, IT'S GOOD FOR STETSON. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. FROM EVERYTHING I'VE HEARD THE, THE ISSUE OF -- THAT HE BROUGHT FORTH ABOUT SEWAGE AND WATER WAS ADDRESSED. YOU ARE EXPECTED CONNECTED TO THE CITY, OR COUNTY, WHATEVER SERVICES ARE OUT THERE. THE PARKING AREA WAS JUST ADDRESSED BY NO PARKING SIGNS. ACCORDING TO YOUR DIAGRAM IT WAS A VERY LARGE PARKING AREA WITH GRASS. THE ONLY THING I DIDN'T HEAR WAS ACCESS FOR THE LOCAL CITIZENS. HOW -- ARE THEY -- JUST KIND OF TALKING TO GLEN, I DON'T KNOW IF SHE HAS A MOTORIZED BOAT OR ROWBOAT OR CANOE?

WHAT TYPE OF BOAT?

WE HAVE --

I DON'T MEAN TO BE DISRESPECTFUL, I WILL ANSWER HER QUESTIONS. I GOT THE ONE BUT DIDN'T GET THE OTHER.

JUST MISSED BY ONE. WHAT TYPE OF BOAT?

A PONTOON BOAT AND ALSO MY HUSBAND HAS A CANOE.

OK.

WE FISH AND -- ON A REGULAR BASIS, ALL OUR NEIGHBORS, BECAUSE WE'RE RIGHT ON THE LAKE. AND UP INTO THE CANAL. EVERYBODY HAS BOATHOUSES, WE ALSO -

YOUR PROPERTY IS ON THE LAKE.

I AM ON THE LAKE. I AM ON THE LAKE. SO IT'S A CONCERN. THERE HAS BEEN SOME ISSUES. BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE ALL THE ROWERS OUT THERE AND YOU'RE TRYING TO GET ACCESS TO THE LAKE IT CAN BE DIFFICULT AND YOU'RE GOING TO BRING IN THIS MANY MORE ROWERS. I MEAN, I'M NOT AGAINST THE ROWERS BUT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO USE THE PROPERTY THAT WE BOUGHT THERE BECAUSE WE LOVE THE LAKE. WE ENJOY THE FISHING. WE ENJOY THE WILDLIFE ALONG THE LAKE AND BOATING. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CAN MAINTAIN WHAT WE PURCHASED OUR HOME FOR.

VERY WELL.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT, MR. ANDERSON?

WE ANSWERED THE WASTE WATER ISSUE. ON THE PARKING ISSUE ONE THING. WE HAVE TO SUBMIT A PARKING PLAN BACK TO THE COUNTY AND IF WE'RE GOING TO BRING IN MORE THAN 250 PARKERS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BUS PEOPLE IN. THAT IS ALL PART OF THAT. GLEN ADDRESSED THE NO PARKING ISSUE. HER ISSUE IS SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY BEYOND OUR CONTROL HERE. THE SURFACE WATERS, OF THE ST. JOHN'S RIVER AND THE LAKE ARE OPEN TO ALL OF US. SO, WE CAN'T RESTRICT THAT. SHE HAS HER ACCESS, HER LEGAL

ACCESS TO THE LAKE. I HAVE MY SAME ACCESS TO THE LAKE WHEN I GO TO USE THE BOAT RAMP. THAT IS HOW IT WORKS. WHAT WE HAVE AGREED TO IS TO LIMIT THESE LARGE REGATTAS TO THE FOUR TIMES PER YEAR SO IT'S FOUR WEEKENDS OUT OF 52. YEAH, THERE WILL BE OTHER FOLKS OUT THERE TRAINING FROM TIME TO TIME BUT THOSE ARE THE BIG EVENTS. I WOULD SAY, THIS IS NON-MOTORIZED VESSELS. NOT AIRBOATS, NOT MOTOR BOATS, NOT SPEEDBOATS, NOT WATER SKIERS, ALL OF WHICH ARE LEGAL USERS OF THE LAKE.

OF COURSE.

I UNDERSTAND HER CONCERN, APPRECIATE IT, WE CAN'T SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.

OK.

THE SMALLER VEHICLE, NO MOTORS, THEY HAVE A LITTLE MORE RIGHT OF WAY BECAUSE YOU CAN GET OUT OF THE WAY WITH A BIG MOTORBOAT.

MR. PATTERSON?

I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION AND RESERVE MY TIME TO CLOSE ON MY MOTION. I WOULD LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MOVE IF WE APPROVE THE CASE PUD14-037, REZONING FOR COMMERCIAL MARINA, SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL R3 AND R4 BUSINESS PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT WITH THE CONDITIONS. AND THEN THE - WITH SIGNAGE.

NO PARKING SIGNAGE.

ALL THE CONDITIONS APPROVED BY THE PLDRC INCLUDING THE 35-FOOT HEIGHT WHICH ARE INREPORT -- INCORPORATED IN THE AMENDED AGREEMENT IN THE AGENDA ITEM.

RIGHT.

I SECOND.

OK. WE HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FROM MR. PATTERSON. WITH CONDITIONS. THAT IS 116-PAGE CONDITIONS. I HAVE A SECOND FROM MISS DENNYS. FURTHER COMMENTS? DISCUSS DISCUSSION? MR. PATTERSON, YOU STILL HAVE THE FLOOR THEN.

THANK YOU. I'M REALLY GLAD IT'S FINALLY COMING ABOUT THE WAY IT IS. I HAVE BEEN OUT ON THE RIVER, I DON'T GO OUT THERE ON WEEKENDS ANYMORE BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY MOTOR BOATS OUT THERE, I DON'T ENJOY IT SO I GO OUT DURING THE WEEKDAYS WHEN IT'S NOT SO CRAZY OUT THERE. I HAVE BEEN OUT THERE, MY DAUGHTER WAS, WHEN SHE WAS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA, WASN'T ON THE CREW BUT SHE WAS THERE WITH HER FRIENDS THAT CAME DOWN, THAT WERE IN THE HONORS PROGRAM THERE. AND IT WAS A WELL BEHAVED BUNCH OF KIDS THAT REALLY ENJOYED IT. I THINK THAT THE -- ANYTHING THAT FLOATS THIS WEEKEND IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT WHILER THAN WHAT THE STETSON STUDENTS COULD EVER DO OUT THERE BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE QUITE AN EVENT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. I HOPE WE ALL LIVE LONG AND

PROSPER WITH THIS AND THE RESIDENTS OUT THERE DO WELL ALSO. WITH THAT I MOVE THE PREVIOUS QUESTION.

MOTION TO MOVE FOR A QUESTION, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE QUESTION SIGNIFIED BY AYE? ALL THOSE OPPOSED? OK, THE QUESTION IS FOR APPROVAL. ORDINANCE. RESOLUTION CASE PUD-14-037, REZONING OF THE URBAN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL MARINA TO BUSINESS PLAN UNIT DEVELOPMENT WITH THE SPECIAL CONDITIONS OF THE PLDRC. OK. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? SIGNIFY BY AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SO CARRIED. YOU GUYS ARE GOOD. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO NUMBER NUMBER 21. IT'S ORDINANCE 214-03 , CVA CVA14-001, FOR PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4820 --

SR, STATE ROAD 11?

IF WE CAN KEEP THE NOISE DOWN SO WE CAN KEEP MOVING ALONG HERE. THANK YOU, FOLKS. YOU DON'T LOOK LIKE KELLY McGEE.

SCOTT ASHLEY, SENIOR ZONING MANAGER FOR THE COUNTY. THIS IS AN ADOPTION HEARING FOR THE PLAN AMENDMENT. ADOPTING A CHANGE FROM AGRICULTURAL RESOURCE TO RURAL, LOCATED ON STATE ROAD 11 AND TWIN PALMS LANE. THIS WAS APPROVED BY THE COUNTY COUNCIL, A FIRST READING AND TRANSMISSION BACK IN JANUARY DID GET TO STATE REVIEW AND RECEIVED A POSITIVE LETTER FOR REVIEW IN FEBRUARY. FROM BOTH THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY AND FROM THE VOLUSIA GROWTH MANAGEMENT COMMISSION. THIS IS AN EXISTING PARCEL THAT IS DEVELOPED WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME AND FARM STRUCTURE. AS YOU SEE ON THE MAP THE PROPERTY IS SPLIT ZONE AND SPLIT LAND USE AND PURPOSE OF THIS IS TO GET EVOLVED INTO ONE CLASSIFICATION. ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME?

I DON'T SEE ANY QUESTIONS. MR. PATTERSON?

I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. WE STILL HAVE SEVERAL STEPS TO GO THROUGH FIRST. I KNOW WHERE YOU'RE GOING.

YOU NEED ANY EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS ON THIS EITHER? NO? NOTHING? OK. WE -- VERY WELL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NO FURTHER STAFF COMMENT. WE WILL MOVE OUT OF THAT FOR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON ITEM 21?

YES, SIR. GOING ONCE, TWICE? OK, WE ARE CLOSING PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. THIS CONCLUDES THE PUBLIC HEARING. MR. PATTERSON, OFF FEW WORDS?

I MOVE FOR ADOPTION OF LARGE SCALE PLANNED AMENDMENT FROM THING A ACULTURAL RESOURCES DESIGNATION FOR 48020 -- 4820 STATE ROAD 11, DELEON SPRINGS.

I HAVE APPROVAL. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION.

NO.

OK.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM ANY OTHER COUNCIL? SEEING NONE ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? SO CARRIED. ITEM TO 22. REZONING CASE. FROM PRIME AGRICULTURAL ZONING TO THE RURAL AGRICULTURAL ESTATE, RA ZONING CLASSIFICATION. JEFF -- OK, KELLY? NO

SCOTT ASHLEY, I DO NEED TO ASK FOR THE -- EXPARTE COMMUNICATION ON THIS. IF COUNCIL HAS ANY. PLEASE ANNOUNCE IT NOW.

NO.

NONE.

AS YOU INDICATED THIS IS A REZONING, COMPANION TO THE PREVIOUS AMENDMENT. CHANGE OF THE ZONING FROM A1, THE PRIME AGRICULTURAL CLASSIFICATION TO THE RURAL CLASSIFICATION.

[PAUSE FOR CHANGE OF CAPTIONERS]

ANY FURTHER STAFF CONVERSATION? CLOSING STAFF PARTICIPATION PART OF THIS ITEM, WE ARE GOING TO THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON ITEM NUMBER 22. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON THIS? MA'AM?

NO, SIR.

OKAY. WE WILL HEREBY CLOSE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AND OPEN UP COUNCIL DISCUSSION ON ACTION. MR. PATTERSON YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

I'D LIKE TO MOVE APPROVAL OF CASE 14-008, REZONING FROM PRIME AGRICULTURE CLASSIFICATION TO RURAL AGRICULTURE STATE RA ZONING CLASSIFICATION.

MOTION FOR APPROVAL.

SECOND.

ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY AYES.

AYES.

OPPOSED? SO CARRIED. OKAY. YOU ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO SPEAK TO US. ALL RIGHT. ITEM NUMBER 23 IS CASE IS 14-013 FOR COMMUNICATIONS TOWER ON FORESTRY RESOURCE ZONED PROPERTY. JAMES MORRIS IS THE ATTORNEY FOR MR. SAMPSON. YOU ARE KELLY McGEE. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR, HONORABLE MEMBERS, I'M KELLY McGEE. THE APPLICANT IS HERE TODAY REQUESTING A CONTINUANCE UNTIL AUGUST 21. THEY HAVE WORKED WITH THE MIAMI CORPORATION ON AN ALTERNATIVE SITE IN ORDER TO PRESERVE THE SCENIC CORRIDOR AND SO THEY ARE WORKING COLLABORATIVELY TO ESTABLISH THAT AGREEMENT AND SO STAFF SUPPORTS THEIR REQUEST FOR

CONTINUANCE. THE APPLICANT IS HERE TO SPEAK TO THAT REQUEST IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.

DOES THE MIAMI CORPORATION HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH THE CONTINUANCE?

NO. WE ARE WORKING TOGETHER IN GOOD FAITH AND WE HOPE TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM AND PROVIDE THE ALTERNATIVE SITE.

VERY WELL. MR. MORRISON. ONE SECOND, I HAVE TO CLOSE. ANY OTHER STAFF DISCUSSION? WE WILL CLOSE STAFF DISCUSSION AND OPEN PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. THAT'S YOU.

THANK YOU. I'M JIM MORRIS. ON BEHALF THE APPLICANT I WANTED TO TELL THE COUNCIL THE LENGTH OF TIME REQUESTED IS TO PERMIT PROCESSING OF A NEW APPLICATION ON THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH MIAMI ON. AS GLEN TOLD YOU WE HAVE WORKED ON THE DETAILS OF THE LEASE. WE HAVE TO REDUCE IT TO WRITING BUT I THINK THAT WILL BE ACCOMPLISHED AND WE'LL BE MOVING FORWARD WITH STAFF ON THE ALTERNATE LOCATION.

DO YOU HAVE AN APPROXIMATE TIME FRAME YOU WILL NEED?

AUGUST 21 IS THE DATE REQUESTED. THAT WOULD BE YOUR MEETING IN AUGUST. I TALKED WITH STAFF BEFORE REQUESTING THIS SO THE TIMING WOULD BE GOOD. IT MAY ACTUALLY TAKE A LITTLE MORE TIME THAN THAT BUT I WOULD LIKE NOT TO TAKE LONGER THAN NECESSARY SO IT'S A COOPERATIVE EFFORT. I THINK WE'LL GET THERE IN A CALM SEDATE FASHION. I CERTAINLY HOPE SO.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER PUBLIC PARTICIPATION? WE WILL CLOSE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION OF THE HEARING. I WILL ENTERTAIN MISS DAYS.

MOVE APPROVAL.

I HAVE MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF CONTINUANCE.

YES.

WE WILL NEED A SECOND.

TO AUGUST 21st, 2:00 P.M.

YES.

DID I HAVE A SECOND? MISS CUSACK IS SECOND ON THAT. FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY AYES.

AYES.

OPPOSED?

SEE YOU IN AUGUST GENTLEMEN. THAT WAS 23. ITEM -- I DON'T KNOW. 24.

A LOT OF PEOPLE PUT 24 AND 25 ON THEIR SLIPS IF THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT.

IS 24 AND 25 CONNECTED?

YES.

THEY ARE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IT HAS BEEN SUGGESTED BY STAFF ATTORNEY THAT WE COMBINE ITEMS 24 --

NO.

DON'T COMBINE THEM. OKAY. HEARING IS FIRST BUT I AM CERTAIN PEOPLE ARE CONFUSED AS TO WHAT THEY WILL SPEAK TO SO I AM ASKING YOU TO ALLOW ALL THE PARTICIPANTS THAT SIGNED UP FOR 24 OR 25 TO SPEAK DURING ITEM NUMBER 24 SO THAT EVERYBODY GETS A CHANCE AND WE DON'T CONFUSE THINGS AND PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON.

IS THERE ANY OBJECTION FROM THE GALLERY AS YOU WILL BE THE ONES SPEAKING ON THE ITEM? OKAY. WE ARE GOOD ON THAT. WE WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING. STAFF REPORT FOR ORDINANCE 2014-05, CPMA-13-004 SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT FROM AGRICULTURAL RESOURCE TO COMMERCIAL FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR 9.6 ACRES AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF PIONEER TRAIL AND AIRPORT ROAD. MR. JAMES STOWERS IS THE ATTORNEY FOR RR FARMS. MISS KELLY McGEE YOU ARE STAFF. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR, HONORABLE MEMBERS OF COUNTY COUNCIL. TO REITERATE WHAT MS. SEA MAN STATED THE ITEM BEFORE YOU IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT THAT'S A LEGISLATIVE POLICY DECISION OF COUNTY COUNCIL AND THAT'S WHY WE WOULD ENCOURAGE ANYONE WHO HAS A COMMENT ON EITHER THE PLAN AMENDMENT OR REZONING TO SPEAK TO IT UP FRONT SO THAT YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION. IF YOU AGREE TO THE COM PLAN AMENDMENT THAT WILL MOVE TO THE NEXT ITEM WHICH IS REZONING, A QUASI JUDICIAL DETERMINATION WHICH BASICALLY IS WILL THAT APPLICATION COMPLY OR IS THAT CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? SO THAT'S WHY WE EXPECTED FOR THE EX PARTE COMMUNICATION DURING REZONING PHASE. IF FOLKS WON'T TO SPEAK TO THE POLICY, WHETHER WE SHOULD CHANGE COM FROM RURAL DESIGNATION TO COMMERCIAL WE WOULD INVITE EVERYONE TO SPEAK TO BOTH ITEMS. EVERYONE HAS THREE MINUTES. THE APPLICANTS HAVE SEVERAL SPEAKERS AND WE HAVE AGREED TO OFFER THEM TEN MINUTES FOR THEIR PRESENTATION. THEY WOULD APPRECIATION FIVE MINUTES FOR REBUTTAL BECAUSE THEY'RE CONSOLIDATING REMARKS. WE WOULD ASK MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN A GROUP IF THE CHAIR WOULD ENTERTAIN LONGER THAN THREE MINUTES FOR THE LEADER INSTEAD OF HAVING EVERYONE SPEAK THREE MINUTES. THAT'S YOUR DECISION BUT EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THEIR FULL THREE MINUTES SHOULD THEY DESIRE THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN BY THANKING EVERYONE. WE HAD A VERY EXTENSIVE PLDRC DISCUSSION AND MANY INDIVIDUALS HERE WERE IN ATTENDANCE OF THOSE TWO HEARINGS, COM PLAN AMENDMENT AND REZONING. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE FOR PARTICIPATING. THIS IS A SMALL SCALE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT OF APPROXIMATELY 9.6 ACRES AT THE NORTHEAST INTERSECTION OF PIONEER TRAIL AND AIRPORT ROAD. EXISTING LAND USE DESIGNATION IS APPLICATION RESOURCE AND THEY PLAN TO CHANGE IT TO COMMERCIAL WITH MAP ANIMAL CONTROLTATIONS THAT WOULD LIMIT DEVELOPMENT.

I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THAT ALL THE DOCUMENTS FOR THE RECORD ARE ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE. SO EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN ENTERED INTO THE RECORD THUS FAR. THAT INCLUDES TRANSCRIPTS OF PLDRC HEARINGS. THEY ARE ON THE WEBSITE AND ARE OFFICIALLY PART OF THE RECORD. THAT SAID, STAFF RECOMMENDED DENIAL BASED ON INCOMPATIBILITY WITH THE COM PLAN SPECIFICALLY OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STATES THAT COMMERCIAL LAND USES ARE APPROPRIATE AT THE INTERSECTION OF TWO MAIN THOROUGHFARES AND HERE AS YOU CAN SEE ON PAGE 24-18 OF YOUR AGENDA WE HAVE AN INTERSECTION OF ARTERIAL AND COLLECTOR ROAD AS OPPOSED TO DO TWO THOROUGHFARES. THIS SECTION OF PIONEER TRAIL IS CONSIDERED SUBSTANDARD IN TERMS OF WIDTH AND RITE OF WAY IN THAT VICINITY. THIS PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO THE SAM SOLO LOCAL PLAN AREA WHICH JOHN IS POINTING OUT YOUR OVERHEAD. IN THE INTEREST OF TIME I WILL SUMMARIZE THE STAFF COMMENTS BY NOTING THAT STAFF RECOMMENDED DENIAL BASED ON THE PROVISION AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE INCOMPATIBILITY OF THE IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT AREAS WHICH ARE AGRICULTURAL AND RURAL AS WELL AS THE CRITERIA. OUR TRANSPORTATION STAFF REPORT THAT IDENTIFIES SUBSTANDARD ROADWAYS CAN BE FOUND ON PAGE 208 AND THOSE ARE ON THE WEBSITE. WE HAD QUITE A FEW ATTACHMENTS, AND SO THOSE ARE AVAILABLE. ATTACHMENT G AS WELL WHICH IS ON PAGE 209 DISCUSSES AND REVIEWS COMP PLAN POLICIES STAFF HAS RELIED ON IN THE STAFF REPORT AND OUR ANALYSIS CAN BE FOUND IN THE AGENDA ON 24-9 TO 24-10. THE PLDRC RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM 4-2 WITH A MAP ANIMAL CONTROLTATION LIMITING DEVELOPMENT TO 60,000 SQUARE FEET AND SO LONG AS COUNCIL APPROVES AUTHORIZATION REGARDING UTILITIES. THE TRAN SCRIPTS OF THE HEARINGS ARE AVAILABLE ONLINE. THEY ARE PART OF THE RECORD. THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT COMMISSION CERTIFIES THIS ITEM AND IT COMES TO YOU FOR DETERMINATION OF WHETHER YOU WOULD LIKE TO CHANGE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FROM AG RESOURCE TO COMMERCIAL. I BELIEVE SPEAKERS HAVE SUBMITTED SPEAKER CARDS. I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE THE APPLICANT FOR TEN MINUTES. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. MR. STOWERS .

TIME LAPSE.

WE WILL SET THE TIME.

GOOD AFTERNOON CHAIRMAN DAVIS, COUNCIL, MY NAME IS JAMES STOWERS. I AM ATTORNEY WITH WHITE CASING STOWERS. AFTER ALMOST OVER A YEAR OF VERY HARD WORK AND COORDINATION WITH STAFF WITH OUR CONSULTING TEAM WE ARE FINALLY HERE BEFORE YOU THIS AFTERNOON. WE ARE EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT. I HAPPENED TO BE HERE ON THE 17 17th FOR YOUR STATE OF THE COUNTY, CHAIRMAN, AND I WOULD HAVE TO AGREE THAT THE STATE OF THE COUNTY IS GOOD AND WE BELIEVE THIS IS ANOTHER PROJECT THAT REPRESENTS VERY POSITIVE MOMENTUM IN THIS COUNTY. THIS IS A PROJECT THAT ALTHOUGH OPPOSITION AS SAID WAS NOT DISAPPROVED IN 2010 IT WAS WITHDRAWN. MARKET CONDITIONS, DISCUSSIONS GOING FORTH AT THAT TIME, APPLICANT, MR. RUBEN, DECIDED TO WITHDRAW AND COME BACK AT A FUTURE DATE WHICH HE DID AFTER THE ECONOMY TURNED FOR THE BETTER. HOME SALES ARE UP. THEY CONTINUE TO ESCALATE. WE ARE HERE NOW BEFORE YOU WITH A LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD GROCERY STORE FOR THIS CORNER. THE MAP YOU SEE UP HERE, THIS IS GOOGLE EARTH, TIME LAPSE. THIS REPRESENTS ROUGHLY THE LAST 22 YEARS OF DEVELOPMENT MOMENTUM IN THIS AREA. YOU ARE SEEING SOD FARMS, FARM LANDS AND OTHER THINGS THROUGHOUT THE AREA BEING DEVELOPED.

INCREMENTALLY AS DEVELOPMENTS THROUGH THIS AREA. WHAT WE HAVE TODAY IS OVER 5100 HOMES. WE HAVE THE COUNTY SPENDING MILLIONS AS AIRPORT ROAD DEVELOPED AS PIONEER TRAIL WAS MAINTAINED THROUGHOUT THAT TIME FRAME. WHAT WE HAVE IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT CONTEMPLATES EFFICIENCY OF USES AND EFFICIENCY OF RESOURCES BASED ON EXISTING RESOURCES. AND SO WE HAVE HERE AN EXPLOSION OF DEVELOPMENT OVER THE LAST 25 YEARS AND WHAT WE ARE BRINGING FORWARD NOW IS A 9.6-ACRE PROJECT FOR A LIMITED COMMERCIAL USE AT THE CORNER OF AIRPORT ROAD AND PIONEER TRAIL. WE HAVE A DEVELOPMENT TEAM HERE. WE HAVE HAD A LENGTHY PROCESS. WE ARE HAPPY TO HAVE THEM COME UP AND SPEAK ON THE RECORD BUT AS STAFF MENTIONED THE PLDRC WHICH WAS LENGTHY IS PART OF THE RECORD. I WOULD SAY OUR TASK HERE TODAY THANKFULLY HAS SHRUNK DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY BECAUSE OF THE PROCESS THAT THE COUNTY HAS IN PLACE. YOUR COUNTY CHARTER SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATED AUTHORITY TO THE DGMC TO ADDRESS THROUGH -- CONSISTENCY. WE HAVE A COUNTY APPOINTED PLDRC THAT DID THEIR JOB VERY WELL BACK IN NOVEMBER. THAT WAS AN EXTREMELY LENGTHY HEARING WITH A LOT OF TESTIMONY AND THEY ASKED A LOT OF QUESTIONS, A LOT OF GOOD QUESTIONS. AFTER A LENGTHY HEARING THEY VOTED TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL 4-2. OPPOSITION SAID THEY WOULD BE HEARING REQUESTS AT THE VGMC. THAT DID NOT OCCUR. IT WAS TASKED AS ADDRESSING INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION COMPONENT OF THE COUNTY AND CERTIFIED AND PROVIDED CERTIFICATE OF CONSISTENCY FOR THIS PROJECT. THEY DID SO IN FEBRUARY. NO HEARING WAS REQUESTED. NO HEARING OCCURRED. THEY DID THEIR JOB AS THE CHARTER TELLS THEM TO DO. THE GOOD NEWS WITH THAT IS THAT PROCESS, I BELIEVE, IS SET UP SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE LAST SECOND CHANGES TO THINGS WHERE SOMEONE MAKES A COMMENT AT THE END OF A LOCAL GOVERNMENT HEARING TO TRY TO STALL A PROCESS. WE HAVE A VERY OPEN TRANSPARENT PUBLIC PROCESS WITH TIME FRAMES, NOTICE REQUIREMENTS, TO WHERE WE HAVE GOVERNMENT IN THE SUNSHINE. WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE PAINSTAKINGLY HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS FOR CLOSE TO A YEAR NOW AND WE BELIEVE THAT WE MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES AND OF THE VOLUSIA COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE HAVE MET THE STATE LEVEL PROVISIONS. WE HAVE GONE THROUGH DETAIL ON THE VOLUSIA COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IF YOU COULD BRING UP THE POWERPOINT, PLEASE. I AM GOING TO GIVE A QUICK SUMMARY OF THIS PROJECT -- I AM SORRY -- OF OUR REQUEST. HERE IS AGAIN THE GENERAL AREA. THIS WAS SUBMITTED IN 2010, WITHDRAWN. IT'S NOW BEEN BROUGHT BACK. WE HAVE LIMITED THIS DOWN. IN YOUR STAFF REPORT THEY TALK ABOUT COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOT. THEY TALK ABOUT AN NFAR RATIO OF .55 FOR COMMERCIAL USE. THAT'S NOT ENTIRELY ACCURATE BASED ON TEXT AMENDMENT. OUR TEXT AMENDMENT EXPLICITLY LIMITS THIS BASED ON PLDRC RECOMMENDATIONS TO. IT IS ITS OWN DEFINITION THAT. DEFINITION OF LIMITED COMMERCIAL FOR OUR SITE IS .15 FAR. HERE IS A SUMMARY OF THE AREA FROM 95 AS YOU GO TOWARDS SAM SOLO. THESE ARE SOME OF THE FUTURE LANE USES IN THE AREA. AS YOU WILL SEE AGRICULTURAL RESOURCE WHICH THIS SITE CURRENTLY IS HAS AN F.A.R. OF .10. SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE SEEN THAT. THE STAFF REPORT PROVIDES A DEFINITION. WHAT IT DOES NOT INCLUDE IS THE F.A.R. IT WAS OMITTED. IT IS IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THOUGH. YOU HAVE RURAL LOW IMPACT AND IT RUNS UP. THERE YOU SEE COMMERCIAL.

LET ME ASK A QUESTION FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PEOPLE HERE. WHAT IS F.A.R.

FLOOR AREA RATIO.

THANK YOU.

AS A POINT OF REFERENCE, THIS REPRESENTS OUR F.A.R. TO .15. DOWN THE ROAD EVERYONE KNOWS THE WOOD HAVEN PROJECT IS A REGIONAL PROJECT WITH EXTENSIVE HOMES TO BE BUILT UP TO 650,000 SQUARE FEET OF MIXED USE. AS A POINT OF REFERENCE THE F.A.R. FOR THAT PROJECT IN THAT SOUTHERN 119 ACRES IS 1.5. JUST AS A VISUAL HERE, THIS IS WHAT'S CURRENTLY PERMITTED FROM A BUILDING INTENSITY STANDPOINT. AGAIN WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT SUBSTANDARD ROADS AND OTHER THINGS BUT OUR FOCUS HAS BEEN ON THE PROVISIONS IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE HAVE RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW. WE HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THEM TO THE T THROUGH THIS PROCESS. THIS IS WHAT YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DEFINES AS BUILDING INTENSITY ASSOCIATED WITH FUTURE LAND USE. THIS IS CURRENT. THIS IS .10. HERE IS .35, RURAL NONRESIDENTIAL. THIS IS COMMERCIAL, WHAT STAFF SUGGESTED THIS PROPERTY WAS DESPITE THE FACT THAT WE HAVE LIMITED COMMERCIAL RECOMMENDATION FOR .15. .55. THAT'S GETTING MORE SIGNIFICANT IN TERMS OF INTENSITY OBVIOUSLY. HERE IS MIXED USE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BUT HERE IS THE 1.5. THIS REPRESENTS THE BUILDING INTENSITY THAT'S BEING REQUESTED RIGHT HERE. .05. .05 F.A.R. FOR ONE ACRE IS 2178 SQUARE FEET JUST AS A POINT OF REFERENCE. FOR THE 9.6-ACRE SITE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AN INCREASE OF 20,408 SQUARE FEET. THAT'S WHAT THIS REQUEST REALLY BOILS DOWN TO. THESE OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES ARE NOWHERE TO BE FOUND IN THE STAFF REPORT. IN FACT IN EXHIBIT G THERE IS A LIST OF EVERY RELEVANT POLICY AND DESPITE STAFF REFERENCING RURAL TEN TIMES, DESPITE THE OPPOSITION'S ATTORNEY AT THE PLDRC WHEN ASKED IS THIS AREA RURAL OR URBAN THE VERY FAST ANSWER WAS IT'S RURAL, SO WE DISAGREE THAT IT IS RURAL. IF IT IS RURAL AND EVERYONE HAS SAID IT'S RURAL, WHY IS THE NONRESIDENTIAL PERMITTED WITHIN RURAL AREAS NOT EVEN BROUGHT UP AS A RELEVANT PROVISION? WELL, THIS IS THE POLICY NOT REFERENCED. IT'S IN OUR JUSTIFICATION STATEMENT. HERE IS THE THREE PROVISIONS. RETAIL AND PERSONAL SERVICES LIMITED TO THE IMMEDIATE POPULATION. WE COULD HAVE ASKED FOR STRAIGHT COMMERCIAL. WE ASKED FOR LIMITED BECAUSE PUBLIC'S HAS BEEN UNDER CONTRACT SINCE 2012. THIS IS THEIR SELECTED SITE. THEY WILL TELL YOU AS MUCH. I HAVE SHOWN THE CONTRACT, SIGNATURE PAGES, TO THOSE WHO HAVE ASKED. THEY'RE GOING TO COME UP AND TALK. IT IS LIMITED TO JUST SERVE THE RESIDENTS IN THIS AREA WHO ARE THERE AND CERTAINLY FUTURE RESIDENTS. THE AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT UP TO .35 IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE ARE ASKING .15, HALF OF THAT. COMMERCIAL USES SHOULD BE CONCENTRATED AT THE CENTER OF ACTIVITY CLUSTER. THIS IS AT THE CROSS ROADS OF THIS AREA. IN FACT THE SUGGESTION THAT FIRST OFF PUBLICS WOULD GO SOMEWHERE ELSE IS, YOU CAN ASK PUBLICS YOURSELF ABOUT THAT COMMENT. THEY HAVE BEEN UNDER CONTRACT FOR TWO YEARS. AND SECOND THIS IS GOING TO BE LIMITED TO THIS SITE. THESE PROVISIONS APPLY TO OTHER PROPERTIES IN THIS AREA. SO THE COUNTY COUNCIL, STAFF AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OBLIGATES YOU DO THE SAME ANALYSIS FOR OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE AREA. THERE IS NO SLIPPERY SLOPE. THERE IS NO THE HORSE OUT OF THE BARN. IF THIS IS APPROVED IT'S GOING DO EXACTLY WHAT YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SAYS.

HOW MUCH MORE TIME DO YOU NEED SIR?

YOU KNOW WE HAD SPOKEN. YOU INDICATED TO ME I WOULD HAVE AS MUCH TIME AS NECESSARY. I WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE SPEAKING.

I UNDERSTAND BUT STAFF SAID YOU CAME TO AN AGREEMENT OF TEN MINUTES.

WE ARE CLARIFYING FOR THE COUNCIL IF THE COUNCIL WOULD BE OBJECTING.

GO AHEAD.

DID YOU SAY HE COULD HAVE UNLIMITED TIME?

NO.

THEY WORKED THIS THING OUT.

IF IT'S TEN MINUTES, IT'S TEN MINUTES.

I TALKED TO THEM BEFORE I TALKED TO YOU, PROBABLY APRIL 14 AND THEY HAD NOT FOLLOWED UP ABOUT THAT BEING IN STONE. I WAS NOT AWARE. I WOULD REQUEST TIME FOR REBUTTAL BUT I WOULD LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLETE YOUR BRIEF POWER POINT ON SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN --

HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU NEED SIR?

IF YOU WOULD LIKE OUR DEVELOPMENT TEAM TO COME UP AND SPEAK THEY'RE PREPARED TO DO THAT. CERTAINLY WE'VE GOT OTHER PEOPLE WHO SUBMITTED THEIR NAMES. THEY CAN GET UP AND SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES.

I JUST ASKED HOW MUCH LONGER DO YOU NEED TO FINISH THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE?

SURE. I AM HAPPY GO WITH ANOTHER TEN MINUTES AND I WILL PROBABLY GO FIVE MINUTES.

COUNCIL, YOUR CALL.

IT HAS TO BE AN EQUAL AMOUNT.

RIGHT.

BUT I WILL TELL YOU I AM DISAPPOINTED THIS DIDN'T GET WORKED OUT BEFORE TIME. WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE HERE THAT WANT TO SPEAK. I WOULD AGREE HE CAN CONTINUE.

CONTINUE.

THANK YOU. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE SET THE CLOCK FOR TEN MINUTES. HE SAID HE NEEDED ANOTHER TEN MINUTES. WE ARE GOOD?

SURE.

PLEASE CONTINUE.

THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT NOT ONLY THE FARMING OF THIS PROPERTY BUT THE OAK HAMMOCK, THE TREES. THE BEAUTY OF THIS PROCESS IS IN THESE CHAMBERS WE CAN RELY ON THE FACTS. THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION OUT THERE, COMMENTS AND COMMENTARY. BUT HERE WE CAN HAVE AN OPEN AND

HONEST CONVERSATION AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN CONTINUE THROUGH THAT ONCE WE GET ALL THE COMMENTS. BUT THE IDEA THAT THIS HAS BEEN INTENSELY FARMED IN THE PAST AND HAS A HISTORY OF FARMING IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE LAY OUT OF THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. THE EXISTING OAK HAMMOCK INCLUDES FIVE HISTORIC TREES. IT IS A SIZEABLE PIECE OF THIS PROPERTY THAT'S IN THE SHADE SO I AM NOT SURE WHAT FARMING OPERATIONS WERE GOING ON IN THE SHADE THROUGH MOST OF THIS PROPERTY. I WILL SAY MOST OF THAT PROPERTY, THAT OAK HAMMOCK, WHILE FARMING USE, INTENSE FARMING CAN RESULT IN CLEARING THAT, THE USE AND LIMITS WE HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY BRING THAT INTO THIS SITE, PRESERVE IT. THERE IS A 35-FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON AIRPORT ROAD AND A 23-FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER ON PIONEER TRAIL. WE'VE GOT SIGNIFICANT BUFFERS, LANDSCAPE BUFFERS, THAT WILL PRESERVE WHAT'S OUT THERE. THE PROXIMITY FOR THIS USE IN THIS AREA, YOU KNOW, THE AREA I SHOWED EARLIER, THIS IS AT THE CROSS ROADS, NOT ONLY THE CROSS ROADS, THE BACK ENTRANCE TO VENETIAN BAY. AS A SIDE REFERENCE THE LIMITED COMMERCIAL THAT'S BEEN REFERENCED IN VENETIAN BAY AS A POINT OF REFERENCE RIGHT AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF PIONEER TRAIL AND AIRPORT ROAD, THAT BUILDING INTENSITY IS .17. AS A POINT OF REFERENCE OUR F.A.R. IS ACTUALLY UNDER THE LIMITED COMMERCIAL THAT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET. GRANTED WE ARE A LARGER PIECE OF PROPERTY. BUT THE FACT IS THE BUILDING INTENSITY WHICH IS HOW YOU DEFINE THIS CORRIDOR AND ALL BUILDING INTENSITIES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY THAT IS THE FACTUAL BASIS THAT WE FOCUSED ON. HERE IS A SUMMARY OF THE PROXIMITY FOR THIS AREA. THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT SMART GROWTH, SMART GROWTH PRINCIPALS. WELL AT THE VERY FOREFRONT OF SMART GROWTH PRINCIPALS IS VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED AND UTILIZING EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE AND RESOURCES THAT YOU HAVE. THIS PROJECT ACHIEVES BOTH OF THOSE WITH FLYING COLORS. PEOPLE, THE 5100 HOMES, THOSE RESIDENTS, THEY DRIVE TO WORK EVERYDAY. THEY'RE USING THE EXISTING NETWORK. THEY DRIVE THROUGH THIS INTERSECTION AND BY THIS SITE. SAM WITH THE TRANSPORTATION GROUP IS HERE TO TALK ABOUT VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED, HERE TO TALK ABOUT PASS BY TRAFFIC, HERE TO TALK ABOUT 18 WHEELER TRUCKS. BUT THE FACT IS THIS EFFICIENTLY UTILIZES THE PREVIOUS COMMITMENTS COUNTY HAS MADE AND TAX DOLLARS SPENT FOR ROADWAY NETWORK THAT'S OUT THERE. COMMUNITY SUPPORT, ENTERED INTO THE RECORD IN NOVEMBER IS A PETITION FOR RESIDENTS SUPPORTING PIONEER SQUARE PROJECT. THIS IS A VISUAL SUMMARY OF WHERE THOSE RESIDENTS COME FROM. YOU ALREADY HAVE IN THE RECORD THE NAMES, THE LIST. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER REPRESENTATION THAT SHOWS THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THERE HAS BEEN A DESIRE, A FOCUS ON THIS PARTICULAR CORNER SINCE 2002. IT'S BEEN SAID OVER THE YEARS THE TIMING ISN'T RIGHT, THE TIMING ISN'T RIGHT. WELL WE ARE HERE TO TELL YOU THAT THE RESIDENTS, PUBLICS AND OTHERS BELIEVE 12 YEARS LATER PERHAPS THE TIMING IS RIGHT. THERE HAVE BEEN SIGNIFICANT CHANGES JUST IN THE PAST YEAR. THE COUNTY COUNCIL WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION TO GET THE INTERCHANGE BACK ON THE LONG RANGE PLAN AT THE T.P.O. THAT'S DOWN THE ROAD. THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT CHANGE WHEN IT COMES FLOORED ON PIONEER TRAIL. WOOD HAVEN LAST YEAR WITH PORT ORANGE MADE MODIFICATIONS AND SHIFTED A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT INTENSITY SOUTH SO THE EDGE OF PIONEER TRAIL BEHIND A BUFFER. LAST MONTH ON APRIL 8, VENETIAN BAY COMPLETED, SOMEONE ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TO REDUCE THE LEVEL OF COMMERCIAL INSIDE VENETIAN BAY. THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED SINCE WE MADE OUR APPLICATION. AND THESE ARE ALL THINGS WE BELIEVE ABSOLUTELY AFFIRM THAT THE DECISION MADE TO ACQUIRE THIS PROPERTY BACK IN 2007 WAS IN FACT A GOOD ONE. I WANT TO TOUCH ON THAT. THERE HAS BEEN MUCH SAID OUTSIDE THESE CHAMBERS ABOUT

DEVELOPER SPECULATION, THAT SOMETHING WAS PLUCKED UP AND HE IS GOING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE AND EVERYONE PAYS FOR IT. WELL I WANT TO SHARE TWO RECENT PROJECTS AND GIVE SOME HISTORY TO IT. TWO RECENT SUCCESS STORIES. ONE DAYTONA, TRADERS, TRADER JOE'S. LET'S THINK ABOUT THOSE. ONE DAYTONA SITE WAS ORIGINALLY GE CENTER. SOMEONE LOOKED DOWN AND SAID YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS IS OFFICIALLY LOCATED. IT IS IN THE CENTER OF ACTIVITY, AND WE THINK THIS HAS POTENTIAL. SO IT WAS ACQUIRED. CHANGES WERE MADE, APPLICATIONS PURSUED. AND WE HAVE A VERY POSITIVE PROJECT. NOW YOU DIDN'T HEAR, AT LEAST I DON'T THINK, VOLUSIA COUNTY MALCOLMING OUT AND/POSING IT -- MALL COMING OUT AND OPPOSING IT. WHAT YOU SAW IS VOLUSIA COUNTY MALL WENT OUT AND ARE IMPROVING THEIR STRUCTURE. THEY REALIZED THERE IS GOING TO BE A NEW DEVELOPMENT DOWN THE ROAD. WE'RE GOING SUCCEED. THEY'RE GOING TO SUCCEED. THAT'S HOW THE MARKET WORKS. SIMILAR SITUATION, THEY LOOKED AT A DIFFERENT CROSS ROADS, I-495. THEY SAID THIS LOOKS GOOD. CAN WE PUT A 800,000 SQUARE FOOTWEAR HOUSE HERE? NO YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A PROCESS. OKAY. LET'S GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. THE DEVELOPERS LOOK AT AN AREA. LOOK AT GROWTH, GROWTH I SHOWED YOU AT THE OUT SET, OVER 20 YEARS. THEY SAY YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS MAKES SENSE. OUR REQUEST IS NOT FOR THE MOST POSSIBLE FOR AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. IT HAS BEEN BASED ON OUR PLANNING AND DISCUSSIONS REDUCED DOWN TO ONLY THAT WHICH IS NEEDED. WE HAVE GOT FISH KINE ASSOCIATES HERE AS WELL TO DISCUSS NEEDS ANALYSIS. THE ADMINISTRATIVE APPEAL THAT CAME OUT IN 2010 WAS A MIXED BLESSING. AT THE TIME IT RESULTED IN WITHDRAWAL. LONG TERM THAT DOCUMENT'S ACTUALLY SERVED AS OUR ROAD MAP FOR THE PAST YEAR. I HAVE GONE THROUGH IT MORE TIMES THAN YOU WOULD WANT TO KNOW. WHAT WE KNOW IS THE PRIMARY REASON FOR THAT APPEAL, NUMBER 1 ON THE LIST, WAS THERE WAS A TEXT AMENDMENT. SHOULD HAVE BEEN A LARGE SCALE COM AMENDMENT, NOT A SMALL SCALE. WHAT CHANGED? THE LAW CHANGED. IN 2011 THE LAW CHANGED WHERE A TEXT AMENDMENT RELATED TO A MAP AMENDMENT IS PERMITTED. THAT'S A BIG DEAL. IT'S A BIG DEAL FOR TWO REASONS. NUMBER 1, THE SETTLEMENT PROPOSED IN 2010 THAT WAS ACCEPTED BY OPPOSITION DESPITE A TEXT AMENDMENT BEING THE REASON FOR THE OPPOSITION, THE SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT INCLUDED A TEXT AMENDMENT. IN FACT IT INCLUDED TWO TEXT AMENDMENTS WHICH I THINK WERE ON LEGALLY TENUOUS GROUND AT LEAST BASED ON ADMINISTRATIVE APPEAL. IF ACTIONS TAKEN IN 2010 WERE NOTHING MORE THAN A MEANS TO STOP PUBLICS FROM GOING ON THIS SITE WHY WOULD THEY HAVE ACCEPTED THE VERY THING THEY SAID THEY WERE APPEALING ON? THAT'S IN THE PAST. WE HAVE THE TEXT AMENDMENT THAT'S PERMITTED. WE HAVE RESIDENTS THAT ARE SUPPORTIVE. WE HAVE DETAILS THAT WE HAVE GONE THROUGH. WE HAVE A MARKET ANALYSIS, A NEEDS ANALYSIS THAT'S BEEN COMPLETED. THAT WAS ANOTHER ITEM SUGGESTED IN 2010. THEY DIDN'T DO THEIR NEEDS ANALYSIS. WELL THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THE ARMY OF CONSULTANTS BECAUSE THIS IS NOT GOING BACK TO MOM AND ASKING FOR COOKIES BEFORE DINNER. THIS IS A VERY CRITICAL PIECE OF DEVELOPMENT IN AN AREA THAT'S DEVELOPED OVER 20 YEARS. WE HAVE TAKEN THIS VERY SERIOUSLY. SO WE HAVE CONSULTANTS THAT HAVE CROSSED THE Ts AND DOTTED Is BASED ON RULES AND REGULATIONS EVERYONE HAS AGREED TO. AS WE HAVE SAID BEFORE, THIS IS THANKFULLY NOT A POPULARITY CONTEST. THIS IS ABOUT THE REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE AND APPLYING THOSE REGULATIONS IN AN EQUITABLE MANNER. SO IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE CONSULTANTS I HAVE REFERENCED COME UP AND SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES, FOR AS LONG AS YOU WANT, WE KNOW YOU HAVE GONE THROUGH ALL THE MATERIALS AND WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY AND ALL QUESTIONS.

IF YOUR CONSULTANTS HAVE FILLED OUT, MAKE SURE MS. ZIMMERMAN GETS THOSE. STAFF, YOU HAVE NO REBUTTAL? NONE. VERY WELL. OKAY. I HAVE TO AFFORD YOU THE TIME. IS THERE ANY OTHER? OKAY. WE WILL NOW GO INTO THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION SECTION OF THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. THERE HAS BEEN A REQUEST FOR TEN MINUTE RECESS HERE. WE WILL NOW TAKE A TEN MINUTE RECESS. WE WILL RECONVENE AT QUARTER 'TIL 4:00. [ TEN MINUTE RECESS. THE MEETING WILL RECONVENE AT QUARTER TO 4:00. ]

IF THE CHAMBERS COULD PLEASE COME TO ORDER. EVERYONE PLEASE TAKE YOUR SEATS. AT THIS TIME MAKE SURE YOU TURNED OFF YOUR CELL PHONE. I KNOW YOU HAD ALL THOSE IMPORTANT CALLS YOU WERE MISSING. PLEASE TURN OFF ALL ELECTRONIC NOISE MAKERS. THIS COULD BE LENGTHY AND WE WOULD LIKE TO GIVE EVERYBODY THE DUE RESPECT THEY DESERVE HERE. IT SEEMS THERE ARE NO OTHER STAFF OR APPLICANT, AT THIS MOMENT WE WILL CLOSE THE STAFF SECTION OF OUR STAFF SECTION OF OUR MEETING AND WE WILL GO TO THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. THIS IS WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE INTERESTING. I AM GOING TO CALL YOUR NAME. GENTLEMAN, IF I COULD GET YOU GUYS TO SKEDADDLED OUT OF THE FRONT ROW. I AM GOING TO CALL YOUR NAME. PLEASE COME UP FRONT AND SIT IN THE FRONT ROW AND THIS WILL MAKE IT EASIER AND MOVE THINGS FORWARD QUICKER. THE FIRST PERSON I CALL CAN COME UP ON THE FRONT. MR. FRANK BRUNO. COME ON UP FRONT. MR. STAN ESKEDARO, BILL RENEW. TAKE A SEAT UP FRONT. MR. BRUNO YOU MAY STEP UP TO THE PODIUM. YOU ARE THE FIRST ONE. LET ME CALL THESE PEOPLE UP FIRST. JEFFERY LEDWITZ. I GOT IT RIGHT WITHOUT MY GLASSES. ALL RIGHTY.

YES YOU DO.

DOUG MCGINNIS, DONALD SMITH. THAT'S A TOUGH NAME THERE. DON SMITH. THERE HE IS. GEORGE BENEDICT. GEORGE YOU CAN STAY THERE. YOU'LL BE FINE. MARY PLATERSKI. DID I GET THAT RIGHT?

YES, SIR.

NADINE MILLER IN THE FRONT ROW SOMEWHERE. THERE SHE IS. SIDNEY MERIC, MICHAEL DAVIS OR IS THAT MICHELLE? MICHAEL. NO RELATION. JAMES STOWERS. YOU JUST SPOKE. YOU DON'T GET TO SPEAK AGAIN. JOSEPH BENEDICT. WHERE IS JOSEPH? JIM PLATERSKI. PLETERSKI. THERE HE IS. HAVE A SEAT IN THE FRONT THERE. IF MR. BRUNO WILL STEP UP TO THE MICROPHONE I WILL GET KRIS SHERMAN TO TAKE HIS PLACE IN THE FRONT ROW.

MR. CHAIR, POINT OF ORDER. I WANT TO CHECK ON SOMETHING WITH MS. SEAMAN'S. THIS IS A ZONING ISSUE, COMP PLAN. THE PUBLIC'S ISSUE HAS NO RELEVANCE TO THIS, THIS DISCUSSION.

I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR TO THE FOLKS SPEAKING THIS IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HEARING TO CHANGE IT FROM AGRICULTURAL RESOURCE AR TO COMMERCIAL. THE DETAILS OF THE BPUD ARE NOT PART OF THIS DISCUSSION. THIS IS SOLELY ON THE COMP PLAN CHANGE, STAFF REPORT ON THE COMP PLAN. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL WANTS TO BE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS, THAT WE CONSTRAIN OUR COMMENTS TO THAT.

YOU HAVE A QUESTION?

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NO. IT WAS BROUGHT FORTH AND MS. SEAMAN MADE RECOMMENDATION THAT WE SPEAK ABOUT THIS AND GET IT OUT NOW AND WE CAN MOVE ON FROM THERE.

EXCUSE ME MR. CHAIR. DID WE NOT THEN SAY YOU COULD SPEAK FROM EITHER ONE AT THIS TIME?

YES, MA'AM ABSOLUTELY. I JUST WANT THEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE DETAILS OF THE BPUD ARE NOT THE TESTIMONY THAT WOULD BE PERSUASIVE FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.

IF THEY WANT TO SPEAK ON EITHER THEY CAN AT THIS TIME.

YES, MA'AM.

IF THEY DON'T GET PAST THIS TIME THEN THAT'S IT ANYWAY, IS THAT CORRECT.

YES, MA'AM.

EVERYBODY HAS 24 AND 25 ON THEIR SLIPS.

IF THEY WROTE DOWN 24 OR 25 THE CHAIR IS ALLOWING THEM TO SPEAK NOW.

THAT CLEARS IT. THANK YOU.

MR. BRUNO WELCOME BACK.

MR. CHAIR THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK TO YOU, COUNCIL MEMBERS, IT'S GREAT TO BE BACK. MY NAME IS FRANK BRUNO. AGAIN IT'S REAL PLEASURE TO BE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU. LET ME TALK ABOUT PARTNERSHIPS BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE DID OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS, CREATED A LOT OF PARTNERSHIPS. I WAS REALLY PROUD OF THE PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE SMART GROWTH INITIATIVES WE HAVE HAD. I HAVE BEEN PROUD OF THE PARTNERSHIPS. I HAVE BEEN PROUD OF THE AFFECTED THAT WE DID IMPLEMENT -- FACT THAT WE DID IMPLEMENT SMART GROWTH PRINCIPALS OVER THE YEARS. WE WORKED TOGETHER WITH THE CITIES OF PORT ORANGE AND NEW SMYRNA BEACH AND COUNTY AND RESIDENTS AND SO ON. I AM REALLY PROUD OF ALL THE WORK WE HAVE BEEN ABLE DO. LET ME TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT VENETIAN BAY. VENETIAN BAY WAS SUPPORTED THROUGH GROWTH MANAGEMENT PRACTICES AND THEY INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY INTO THAT QUALITY ENTERPRISE DOWN THERE. THEY EXTENDED THE AIRPORT ROAD DOWN THERE WITH SMART GROWTH PRINCIPALS. THEY PUT INTO PLACE A COMMERCIAL IN THE CENTER SO IT WOULD BE MORE WALKABLE COMMUNITIES DOWN THERE. IT'S A SHAME THAT THE PUBLICS DIDN'T COMMEND BACK THEN AND WE WOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT THIS TODAY. LET ME ALSO MENTION ABOUT THE INVESTMENTS THAT'S BEING DONE ON THE EXTENSION OF WILLIAMSON BOULEVARD THERE WITH WOOD HAVEN AND WITH OUR PARTNERSHIP AND OUR PLANNING STAFFS WORKING WITH PORT ORANGE AND ALSO WITH NEW SMYRNA BEACH. I AM PROUD OF OUR PLANNING STAFF AND WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE DO OVER THE YEARS. MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ARE GOING IN PLACE DOWN THERE TO HAVE A COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE PROUD OF AS FAR AS THE RESIDENTIAL AND THE COMMERCIAL ON WILLIAMSON BOULEVARD. WHY I AM HERE IS BECAUSE I WAS IN YOUR POSITION NOT TOO LONG AGO. I VOTED AGAINST

THIS. EVERYBODY KNEW THAT I VOTED AGAINST IT FOR A LOT OF REASONS. THE INFRASTRUCTURE WASN'T THERE. I DON'T SEE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THERE TODAY. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT PERSONALITIES. I AM ONLY TALKING ABOUT PLANNING. THE ONLY TIME THAT WE WIN OUT AS IT COMES TO PLANNING IS WHEN WE GET OUR PLANNERS FROM THE COUNTY, THE CITIES AND ALL WORK TOGETHER TO HAVE A PRODUCT THAT WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE PROUD OF. I DON'T THINK WE ARE THERE YET. I THINK THAT THE COMMERCIAL ON AIRPORT ROAD AND PIONEER TRAIL MAY HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE OF CHANGES BUT IT'S NOT THERE TODAY. SO IF I WAS ABLE TO VOTE AGAIN TODAY, I PROBABLY WOULD HAVE VOTED AGAINST IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I APPRECIATE THAT. I KEPT IT UNDER THREE MINUTES.

THANK YOU FRANK. GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN SIR.

STAN ESKADERO.

3034 SOUTH PENINSULA, DAYTONA BEACH SHORES. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU AND COUNCIL TODAY IN OPPOSITION TO THE REZONING REQUEST FOR THIS PARCEL OF 9.6 ACRES AT PIONEER TRAIL AND AIRPORT ROAD. I THINK THIS IS A BAD IDEA. IT DOESN'T FIT WITH THE COUNCIL'S DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE AREA, POTENTIALLY DAMAGES A LARGER PROPERTY PLANNED DEVELOPMENT TWO MILES AWAY, COULD CAUSE SERIOUS TRAFFIC PROBLEMS AND DEMANDS FOR EXPENSIVE ROAD IMPROVEMENT AND LEAD DIRECTLY TO ALTERATIONS IN THE RURAL CHARACTER OF THE PART OF OUR COUNTY. COUNCIL CONSIDERED THE SAME REQUEST BEFORE AND OBJECTED IT FOR MANY REASONS AS TODAY. WANTS TO BUILD A SUPERMARKET AND BANK AND -- IF A SUPERMARKET IS BUILT IT WILL REQUIRE CONSTANT RESUPPLY BROUGHT IN BY LARGE SEMI TRAILER TRUCKS WHICH WILL BE DIFFICULTY NEGOTIATING ROADS AS THEY PRESENTLY EXIST. LOOK AT THE CURRENT ROAD SYSTEMSMENT MANY TRUCKS COMING OFF I-95 TO 44 WILL FIND THEIR MOST CONVENIENT ACCESS BY DRIVING THROUGH ROADS. THEY'LL HAVE DIFFICULTY NEGOTIATING SHARP TURNS INTO THE PROPERTY ON THE NARROW TWO LANE ROADS OFTEN PARALLEL BY DRAINAGE DITCHES. WHEN I WAS A BOY IT WAS LOCALLY INFAMOUS FOR A SHARP TURN KNOWN AS DEAD MAN'S CURVE. IF THIS COUNCIL DEPENDING HOW IT VOTES YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RETURN TO THE TRADITION. OF COURSE THE RATIONAL ALTERNATIVE IS WIDEN ACCESS ROADS. WHAT COST? WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING TO COME FROM? YOU KNOW THERE ISN'T MONEY FOR EVEN MAINTENANCE AND IMPROVEMENT OF EXISTING ROADS. THINK ALSO WHAT THE IMPACT OF THE DEVELOPMENT WOULD HAVE ON SURROUNDING TERRITORY. THIS COULD BE LANDSCAPED AND LOOK ATTRACTIVE BUT THE MOMENT YOU PROVE THE REZONING REQUEST YOU WILL BE BESIEGED BY DOZENS OF SIMILAR REQUESTS, PEOPLE LOOKING TO INCREASE VALUE THROUGH REZONING. WILL YOU NOT HAVE INCREASED IMMEDIATE AREA BLIGHT? CAN'T YOU SEE THE CRAs COMING TO HELP US FIX THE AREA? THIS COUNTRY SHOULDN'T ENTER LIGHTLY ON THE HODGEPODGE DEVELOPMENT OF A BEAUTIFUL RURAL AREA PARTICULARLY WHEN SO MANY OF THE PEOPLE CHERISH THEIR LIFESTYLE. I CAN UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE RESIDENTS' DESIRE FOR NEARBY SHOPPING FACILITIES BUT JUST A STONE'S THROW AWAY IS TO BE CONSTRUCTED A LARGER WELL PLANNED AND MORE BENEFICIAL DEVELOPMENT CALLED WOOD HAVEN. $2 MILLION OF THE LAND HAS BEEN DONATED BY THE DEVELOPER. IT WILL GIVE YOU MORE THAN 2000 JOBS. IT IS A MUCH BETTER IDEA. ALL DUE RESPECT TO MR. RUBEN WHO I AM CONFIDENT IS AMONG THE FINEST OF GENTLEMEN THERE IS NO COMPARISON TO BE MADE BETWEEN THE TWO PROJECTS, NOT IN SIZE, NOT IN FIT, NOT IN THE RANGE OF SERVICES TO BE

PROVIDED AND NOT IN BENEFITS TO THE COUNTY. SADLY THERE IS NO ROOM FOR BOTH. I URGE COUNCIL TO REJECT REQUEST BEFORE TODAY. THANK YOU SIR.

THANK YOU.

BILL RENEW.

4025 BECKSEL DRIVE. I AM HERE TO SPEAK AGAINST THE PROPOSED PUBLIC CENTER AT THE CORNER OF PIONEER TRAIL AND AIRPORT ZONE OR THE REZONING. THIS IS ONLY APPROXIMATELY 100 FEET FROM THE LOCAL PLANT OR ACROSS FROM AIRPORT ROAD, WHERE IT BECOMES THE LOCAL PLANT. SHOULD THIS PROPERTY BE REZONED COMMERCIAL AND PUBLIC IS BUILT THEN LANDOWNERS NORTH AND EAST OF THE PROPERTY WILL WANT TO ALSO HAVE PROPERTIES ZONED COMMERCIAL WHICH IN RETURN WILL ALLOW FURTHER GROWTH LIKE GAS STATIONS, STRIP MALLS, BANKS, ETC. I WOULD ENCOURAGE A TRAFFIC STUDY BUT I HAVE HEARD TWO PEOPLE SAY ALREADY THAT PIONEER TRAIL AND AIRPORT ROAD WILL NOT SUPPORT THE TRAFFIC. THERE IS LAND BEING CLEARED NOW FOR A SUBDIVISION OR EXPANSION OF EXISTING SUBDIVISION WHICH IS MOVING SOUTH TOWARDS THE CORNER. I AM A PUBLIC SHOPPER AND DO NOT MIND TO DRIVE I AM SURE AS THOSE THAT MOVE TO RURAL AREAS DO NOT MIND DRIVING TO THE NEW WALMART OR PUBLICS. IT'S FOUR AND A HALF MILES FROM VENETIAN BAY ENTRANCE TO DONE LOT AVENUE WHERE YOU CAN HAVE EVERYTHING YOU WANT. I DON'T THINK THAT'S MORE THAN A TEN MINUTE DRIVE. THERE WAS TALK ABOUT 5100 PEOPLE GOING TO GO TO THIS PUBLICS. IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS THE VENETIAN BAY SUBDIVISION AND SUBDIVISION NORTH OF AIRPORT ROAD. THAT DOES NOT BRING YOU INTO ALL THE TRAFFIC THAT WILL COME FROM SUBDIVISIONS CURRENTLY OFF OF 44 AND 415 THAT WILL PROBABLY ALSO GO TO THIS PUBLICS. I MEAN WE MOVE TO RURAL AREAS TO TRY TO STAY OUT OF CITY LIFE. PIONEER TRAIL IS ALSO USED BY MANY LOCALS AS A WAY TO GET TO TOWN WHEN TRAFFIC IS BACKED UP ON 44 ESPECIALLY DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS AND WEEKENDS. IT CAN BACK UP TO THE NEW WALMART. MOST OF US FROM NEW SMYRNA BEACH, DON'T TOLD THE OLD VILLES, THAT WE WILL CUT OFF TO GET TO PIONEER TRAIL AND GO THE BACK WAY TO GET TO TOWN OR THE BEACH, WHERE EVER WE NEED TO GO. PIONEER TRAIL HAS LARGE DITCHES ON EACH SIDE. IT WOULD BE AN EXPENSIVE OPERATION TO FOUR LANE PIONEER TRAIL BUT EVENTUALLY IT WILL HAVE TO BE, PIONEER TRAIL THE SAME WAY. THE TIME IS NOT RIGHT. THE MAN BEFORE ME SAID HE DROVE THE ROAD WHEN IT WAS NARROW. I RODE THE BUS ON THE ROAD. THE BUS DRIVER NEEDED EVERY BIT OF ROOM TO GO AROUND EVERY CORNER. IT'S WEAVEY. MOTORCYCLISTS USE IT. IN A RURAL AREA, WE WOULD LIKE TO TRY TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SIR.

THAT WAS BILL.

JEFFERY LEDWITZ.

GOT IT RIGHT AGAIN.

OH DON'T TELL NOBODY.

568 LANE IN VENETIAN BAY NEW SMYRNA BEACH FLORIDA. I AM OPPOSED. IF APPROVED THIS WILL CHANGE 9.6 AGERS OF LAND FROM AGRICULTURAL RESOURCE TO COMMERCIAL. IN A LETTER SENT TO MANY PROPERTY OWNERS REPRESENTED

CONVEY THAT THE OWNER PLANS TO LEASE IT TO PUBLICS SOON. THERE WILL BE OTHER COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS IN THE FUTURE. OWNERS REPRESENTED SAID THE RESIDENTS OF VENETIAN BAY ARE OVERWHELMINGLY IN FAVOR OF THE DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS NOT TRUE. MANY HOMEOWNERS OPPOSE THE ORDINANCE AND LOOSE LAND USE CHANGE. PRESENTLY ON TAYLOR ROAD AND AVENUE THERE IS A PUBLICS A TARGET SUPER CENTER A WALMART CENTER AND BJ'S WHOLESALE CLUB. CLOSER ON 44 THERE IS A WALMART SUPER CENTER, PUBLICS AND WINN DIXIE. THAT'S SEVEN GROCERY STORES IN THE AREA. HOW MANY DO YOU THINK WE NEED? THE ISSUE IS NOT WHETHER OR NOT THERE SHOULD BE ANOTHER STORE. THE ISSUE IS THE ORDINANCE AND WHETHER THIS PROPERTY SHOULD BE REZONED FROM AGRICULTURAL TO COMMERCIAL. THAT SHOULD BE THE ESSENCE OF THE DISCUSSION AND SUBSEQUENT DECISION BY COUNTY COUNCIL. THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY IS IN THE MIDDLE OF AN AGRICULTURAL AREA. THAT'S SIMPLE AND THE FACT. MOST OF US WHO BUILT HERE VALUE RURAL PEACEFUL COUNTY ENVIRONMENT. WE ARE DISAPPOINTED THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER DESTROYING LOCAL CULTURE. WE ENCOURAGE YOU TO VISIT THE AREA AND SEE FOR YOURSELVES. YOU WILL DRIVE BY NUMEROUS FARMS HORSE RANCHES, AN EL PACA FARM, BALANCED EAGLES -- BALD EAGLES NESTING. WHY DESTROY THIS FOR MORE UNNECESSARY AND UNWANTED URBAN SPRAWL? ANOTHER MAJOR FACTOR IS PIONEER TRAIL. IT IS TRULY A NARROW TWO LANE COUNTRY ROAD THAT WAS NOT BUILT TO HANDLE THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC. THE COUNTY COUNCIL HAS A RESPONSIBILITY TO USE PROPER PLANNING TO PROTECT TODAY'S AND FUTURE RESIDENTS. KEEPING CURRENT AGRICULTURAL ZONING BY VOTING DOWN THIS WILL NOT STOP PROGRESS OR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. OTHER AREAS ARE APPROPRIATELY ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT AND HAVE OR WILL HAVE ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE. ON BEHALF OF NUMEROUS RESIDENTS WE URGE YOU NOT TO APPROVE ORDINANCE 2014-05 OR LAND USE TRAIN FOR THE PROPERTY OF PIONEER TRAIL AND AIRPORT ROAD. THANK YOU FOR THE THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION IN THIS MATTER.

THANK YOU SIR.

AT THIS TIME COULD EVERYONE PLEASE CHECK YOUR PHONES AND ELECTRONIC DEVICES AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE OFF OR ON SILENT SO EVERYBODY DOESN'T GET DISTURBED BY THEM. DOUG MCGINNIS.

3630 PIONEER TRAIL. WHAT A DIFFERENCE A DECADE MAKES. WHEN I WAS HERE TEN YEARS AGO WORKING TO CREATE THE SAM SOLO LOCAL PLAN THE TALK WAS ABOUT THE NEW CONCEPT OF COMMUNITIES THAT WOULD RETAIN COMMERCIAL CENTERS SO THEY WOULD NOT BE PLACED AT BUSY INTERSECTIONS AND TRAFFIC NODES. I LIVE NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF PIONEER TRAIL AND AIRPORT ROAD. I HAVE COME WITH THE SAME OBJECTIONS I HAD FOR THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION. AFTER THE VOLUSIA COUNTY COUNCIL DELIBERATED CAREFULLY AND A DECISION WAS MADE IT WAS AMAZING THAT IT'S BEING RECONSIDERED TODAY. EVEN THOUGH THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS OUTSIDE THE LOCAL PLAN IT IS ONLY ACROSS AIRPORT ROAD FROM A SECTION IN WHICH A LAND USE STUDY WAS MANDATED TO TAKE PLACE. I WOULD CALL ATTENTION TO THE LOCAL PLAN POLICY SAM 134 WITHIN VOLUSIA COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. JUST TO BRIEFLY SUMMARIZE BY 2012 VOLUSIA COUNTY SHALL EVALUATE AND REPORT TO THE VOLUSIA COUNTY COUNCIL LAND USE TRENDS FOR THE FOLLOWING AREAS CONTAINED WITHIN THE LOCAL AREA PLAN, ONE OF THE AREAS IS IN FACT THE AREA ACROSS THE ROAD FROM THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION TODAY. BASED ON THIS REPORT AND OTHER LOCAL CONSIDERATIONS THE COUNTY MAY DETERMINE WHETHER THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AMENDMENTS THAT CHANGED DENSITY AND INTENSITY

WITHIN TWO AREAS WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AND OR TIMELY. THIS MEANT THE FINAL STATEMENT ON THE POLICY INDICATES THAT THE CHANGES REQUESTED TODAY SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED UNTIL THE MANDATED STUDY IS COMPLETED BECAUSE THESE CHANGES WILL AFFECT THE AREA WITHIN THE LOCAL PLAN. THE MANDATED REPORT HAS YET TO BE ACCOMPLISHED IN 2013. MY PLEA DURING THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION REMAINS SHOULDN'T PLANNING LIKE THIS BE DONE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD BEFORE APPROVAL OF ANY CHANGES ARE MADE? WOULDN'T IT BE MORE EFFICIENT, USEFUL AND LOGICAL TO HAVE A JOIN PLANNING AGREEMENT ON THE APPLICANTS' SIDE OF THE ROAD COINCIDE WITH THE MANDATED STUDY? IF APPLICANTS' REQUESTS WERE GRANTED NOW IT WOULD HAVE IMPLICATIONS FOR THE SAM SOLO STUDY REQUIRED IN THE COMP PLAN. MY REQUEST TO COUNCIL IS TO FINISH REQUIRED PLANNING, ENGAGE PORT ORANGE AND OTHER ENTITIES IN REM ASIANS FOR EAST SIDE OF AIRPORT AND DO IT IN A TIMELY MANNER. THE PLAN WAS ADOPTED AFTER YEARS OF DELIBERATION TO REFLECT WISHES OF THE COMMUNITY. IT WAS PART A RESPONSE TO RAMPID DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA YET ALSO POPULAR AT THIS TIME WAS THE CONCEPT OF PLANNED ALL INCLUSIVE COMMUNITIES LIKE WATER'S EDGE AND VENETIAN BAY. THESE COMMUNITIES WERE DESIGNED WITH INFRASTRUCTURE FOR COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY RATHER THAN PLACING THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT AT BUSY INTERSECTIONS. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SIR. DONALD SMITH.

HELLO DONALD SMITH, 3150, DRIVE, NEW SMYRNA BEACH FLORIDA. I WAS ASKED TO READ A RESPONSE FROM AN E-MAIL ONE OF THE RESIDENTS SEND TO RUBEN IF I CAN DO THAT. SHE'S NOT ALLOWED TO BE HERE. JENNIFER, I DO BELIEVE YOU MAY NOT BE THINKING ABOUT THE FUTURE WITH THE PROPER PERSPECTIVE. THE CORNER WILL DEFINITELY BE A COMMERCIAL CORNER. IT MAY TAKE ANOTHER YEAR OR SO BUT IT WILL NOT REMAIN AGRICULTURAL IF YOU RESEARCH FUTURE LAND USE RULES. RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE A CHOICE TO ENDORSE A GREAT USE FOR THE PROPERTY. HOWEVER PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT THIS PROPERTY IS NOT IN THE SAM SOLO OVERLAY ZONE SO YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE IN THE LONG TERM TO HOLD UP THE USE OF THE PROPERTY. YOU MAY WIND UP WITH SOMETHING THAT MAY NOT BE SO NICE AS A FIRST CLASS BUILDING HIDDEN IN THE OAKS WITH LANDSCAPE BUFFERS THAT ONLY ENHANCE THE AREA. RECOGNIZE THAT THIS PROPERTY, THE PROPOSED USE OF THIS PROPERTY AS WELL AS PROPOSED SITE PLAN IN THE AMENDMENT AND YOU WILL SEE THAT THE BUILDING IS SET BACK ABOUT 400 FEET NORTH OF PIONEER TRAIL THIS TIME SO THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU MAY BE GIVING UP BY AJUSTING TO THE STAND ALONE GROCERY STORE ON THE SITE. WOULD YOU PREFER CIRCLE K, KANGAROO GAS STATION, DRY CLEANER? IF THAT'S THE CASE LET THE COMMISSIONERS KNOW IT BUT THERE WILL BE A COMMERCIAL ON THE CORNER. WILL THAT BE A BETTER CHOICE THAN WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING FOR THE PUBLICS FOR THE SITE NOW? I THINK NOT. THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES AND I THINK WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED IS ABOUT AS GOOD AS IT COULD GET FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD ESPECIALLY SAM SOLO BUT YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT ELSE CAN GO THERE AND MAYBE IN TWO OR THREE YEARS BEFORE THAT COULD GET APPROVED. BUT THE AREA IS NOT GOING TO STAY AGRICULTURAL MUCH LONGER. I WOULD PREFER A MORE INTENSE USE OF THE PROPERTY AND IF THIS CURRENT USE IS NOT APPROVED YOU WILL HAVE A PROJECT ON THIS SITE THAT IS NOT GOING TO PRESERVE TREES OR PROVIDE SUCH A WIDE BUFFER AND SUPER LONG SET BACKS. PLEASE THINK ABOUT LONG TERM AND NOT SHORT TERM. I AM HAPPY TO MEET WITH YOU AT THE EARLIEST TO GO OVER MY DETAILS IF YOU WISH. SHELDON RUBEN. I WAS THERE THE OTHER DAY. I HAD AN F350 IN FRONT OF ME WITH THE DUALLIES. HIS TIRES WERE ON THE DIRT ON THIS SIDE AND ON THE

OTHER SIDE OF THE WHITE LINE THIS SIDE. THAT'S JUST A FORD F350 DUALLY. I CAN IMAGINE WHAT AN 18 WHEELER IS GOING DOWN THE ROAD. I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE BUILT. THIS REMINDS ME OF THE INCIDENT WE HAD A COUPLE MONTHS AGO. I AM SURE YOU ARE AWARE OF THAT, WHERE IT WAS ASKED DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE THREE ACRES? WHAT ABOUT THE 40 ACRES YOU HAVE NEXT DOOR? HE WOULD NOT THAT. HE WOULD NOT ANSWER ME OR ANSWER ANY OF US UNTIL THEY SAID OH THEY CAN ASK FOR CHANGES LATER. THIS IS WHAT I THINK WILL HAPPEN, ONCE THIS GOES IN THERE WILL BE MORE CHANGES. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SIR.

GEORGE BENEDICT. HOW YOU DOING GEORGE? LONG TIME NO SEE.

YEAH. I LIVE AT 3605 GUARDEE ROAD. MY HOUSE FACES AIRPORT. MY DRIVEWAY AND MY MAILBOX ARE ON DARBY. I CAN THROW A ROCK FROM MY HOUSE AND HIT THIS PROPERTY. I HAVE LIVED ON AIRPORT ROAD FOR 70 YEARS, RAISED ON A FARM THERE. I HAVE SEEN THE GROWTH. I'D LIKE TO THANK ICI. I'D LIKE TO THANK MR. JOHNSON FOR THE GREAT JOBS THEY DID OF PUTTING IN THESE P.U.D.s THAT ARE JUST GOOD PROJECTS. I FEEL SORRY THAT WE HAD THIS MORTGAGE MELT DOWN BUT WE WON'T SEE ANY MORE OF THESE LOANS. BUILDING WILL BE SLOWER. WE NEED THIS STORE NOW. I AM SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THE PROJECT. IT SHOULD BE THERE NOW. MR. BRUNO LIVES IN INLET, MR. ESKADERO LIVES SOUTH DAYTONA. THEY'RE EXPERTS ON THE AREA. THAT'S FINE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT PAPERS THEY HAVE TO MAKE THEM EXPERTS ON THE AREA. BUT I HAVE THE SEAT OF MY PANTS TO MAKE ME AN EXPERT ON THE AREA. EVERYBODY SAYS WELL DON'T TELL THEM YOU ARE NOT FOR THE PROJECT. I AM NOT FOR GROWTH, BUT IT'S THERE. IF I DIDN'T WANT GROWTH I SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT ALL THAT LAND. I NEVER HAD THE MONEY DO IT, SO I CAN'T STOP IT. BUT THE HONEST FAMILY FARMED THAT LAND FOR YEARS AND THEY HAD TO RETIRE. THEY HAD NOBODY TO CARRY ON. WE FARMED THE 83, 85 FREEZES, KNOCKED CENTRAL FLORIDA AREA OUT OF THE AGRICULTURAL BUSINESS, NO TRACTOR COMPANIES, NO FERTILIZER COMPANIES, NO PRODUCE AND FRUIT BROKERS TO HANDLE YOUR PRODUCT. SO IT DRIED UP THE AREA FOR AGRICULTURE. IT'S BECOME RESIDENTIAL. NOW I KNOW THAT THE CITY OF PORT ORANGE WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALL THAT CORNER RESIDENTIAL. WELL I OWN 20 ACRES OF IT AND I AM GOING TO HANG ON IT UNTIL I DIE AND MAKE HAY ON IT. I HAVE EIGHT PARCELS IN THE AREA I LEASE FOR RAISING BEEF CATTLE ON. THIS IS NOT GOING TO AFFECT ME. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT AFFECTS PEOPLE IN POND INLET, SOUTH DAYTONA, THE GENTLEMAN WHO OWNS ICI, MR. JOHNSON OR WHOEVER IS GOING TO SPEAK AGAINST THIS PROJECT. BUT IT DOESN'T AFFECT ME. I THINK IT'S A PROJECT WHOSE TIME HAS COME. IT'S THE RIGHT LOCATION TO DO IT. I AM SORRY IF I AM NOT ANY SMARTER THAN WHAT I AM BUT THIS IS THE BEST I CAN DO. YOU VOTE AGAINST IT AND NEXT TIME I SHAKE YOUR HAND I WON'T HAVE ANYTHING GOOD TO SAY TO YOU. THANK YOU.

THANKS GEORGE. [ APPLAUSE ]

MARY PLETERSKI. THAT'S A TOUGH ACT TO FOLLOW MARY.

ACTUALLY HE IS OUR COUSIN.

GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.

WE HAVE TRIED BUT IT HASN'T WORKED. WE LIVE AT 3549 PIONEER TRAIL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LETTING ME SPEAK TO YOU. ACTUALLY, WE LIVE ABOUT 660 FEET FROM THE AREA THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT WANTING TO CHANGE FROM AGRICULTURE TO COMMERCIAL. TO ME, I'M NOT OF COURSE IN FAVOR OF IT. THAT'S WHY I AM HERE. BUT THE REAL ISSUE IS IS THAT FROM WHERE WE ARE AND WE LIVE IN AN AREA THAT MY HUSBAND WAS BORN ABOUT 200 FEET FROM WHERE OUR HOUSE IS SO WE ARE NOT PLANNING ON GOING ANYWHERE. THIS IS HOME. SO WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE TELL US WELL YOU KNOW, YOUR HOME WILL BE WORE MORE MONEY. WELL IT WOULD BE IF SOMEONE WAS PLANNING TO SELL. BUT IT HAS NO VALUE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO STAY. IF YOU WANT TO WAIT 20 YEARS AND PASS ALL THIS STUFF, WE'LL BE DEAD AND GONE. THE ONLY ONE THEY'LL HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IS MY SON. HE'LL HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT. AT THIS POINT SEEING THE SIGNS OUT THERE ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD THAT SAY THAT IS THE SAME COLORS OF PUBLICS THAT SAY WHERE SHOPPING COULD BE A PLEASURE, PUBLICS DIDN'T PUT THOSE SIGNS THERE. I FOUND OUT THAT THEY DID NOT DO THAT. AT THIS POINT IN TIME, I HAVE BEEN TOLD OR WE HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT THERE WAS A CONTRACT WITH THEM BUT I WAS TOLD THAT THERE IS NO PLANS AT THIS TIME. THEY DID SAY IT WAS UNDER REVIEW BUT THERE IS NO PLANS TO PUT A PUBLICS THERE. MAYBE PEOPLE WHO KEEP SAYING HOW CLOSE IT WOULD BE AND HOW YOU COULD GET YOUR GROCERIES AND STOP BY. IF THERE IS NO PUBLICS AND THIS IS WHAT EVERYBODY IS PLANNING AND THINKING ABOUT, THEN WHAT WOULD YOU THINK IF THERE WAS SOMETHING LIKE A DOLLAR GENERAL? WOULD YOU GO THERE TO DO YOUR MAJOR SHOPPING? I DON'T THINK SO. FOR US TO HAVE TO CONTEND WITH BIG TRUCKS, LIGHTS, HORNS AND ALL THE CONFUSION AND THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON WOULD REALLY TAKE AWAY FROM THE AGRICULTURE WHERE WE ARE. AND OF COURSE JOHN'S PROPERTY WHERE THEIR HOUSE IS BUTTS UP WITH OURS SO WE HAVE KNOWN THEM FOR YEARS. THE BIGGEST THING THAT I WANT IS TO END UP LETTING PEOPLE KNOW THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE AFFECTED BY THIS NOT JUST DEVELOPERS, BUT PEOPLE WHO REALLY WANT TO KEEP AND TO MAINTAIN THE AGRICULTURAL AREA. THAT IS MY POINT. I UNDERSTAND WHERE SOME PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM BUT FOR US THIS IS AN AGRICULTURE AREA, DO NOT WANT IT TO BECOME A COMMERCIAL AREA AND WOULD LIKE TO MAINTAIN IT AS IS. SO FOR ME AND HOPEFULLY YOU WILL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT WE DO NOT WANT THAT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MA'AM. NADINE MILLER.

GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TODAY. I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD CALLED A QUIET PLACE IN THE COUNTRY WHICH IS ABOUT A MILE AND A HALF FROM THE PROPOSED SITE CHANGE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS ARE NOT IN FAVOR OF THIS REQUESTED ZONING CHANGE TO ALLOW COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES TO EXIST ON THIS PASTURE LAND. THIS PROPERTY WAS ZONED AGRICULTURAL BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT IS AND THAT'S WHAT IT SHOULD BE. WE MOVED INTO THIS RURAL COMMUNITY OVER 20 YEARS AGO BECAUSE OF THE ZONING AROUND US AND WHAT IT PROMISED FOR OUR FUTURE AND THAT OF OUR CHILDREN BECAUSE WE WANTED TO LIVE WITH NATURE. THE PASTURE LANDS, HORSES, COWS, DOGS, CHICKENS, EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE THAT WE LOVE. THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER OPTIONS FOR A GROCERY STORE AND A BANK. THERE IS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY INSIDE VENETIAN BAY. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IT SITS EMPTY NOW. WHY DOES YET ANOTHER BEAUTIFUL PIECE OF OUR GREEN SPACE AND NATURE HAVE TO BE DESTROYED AND PAVED OVER SO SOMEONE CAN CARVE FIVE MINUTES OFF OF THEIR DRIVE TIME TO BUY A LOAF OF BREAD? I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN ZONING LAWS

AND THIS PARTICULAR AMENDMENT PROCESS BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT FOR ZONING TO CHANGE ESPECIALLY OF THIS MAGNITUDE THAT THERE SHOULD BE A COMPELLING REASON, COMPELLING ACCORDING TO THE DICTIONARY IS URGENTLY REQUIRING ATTENTION AND NOT ABLE TO BE REFUTED. WHERE IS THE URGENT NEED HERE? MANY OF US HERE TODAY REFUSE THIS CHANGE. IF FOUR OR FIVE MILES IS TOO FAR FOR SOMEONE TO DRIVE FOR GROCERIES, THEN MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE MOVED OUT INTO OUR RURAL AREA. VENETIAN BAY IS IN THE COUNTRY. SAM SOLO IS IN THE COUNTRY. I ASK THOSE FOR THIS INCREASED DEVELOPMENT TO PLEASE TRY AND SHARE WITH US THE WONDERFUL LIFESTYLE THAT WE HAVE OUT IN THE COUNTRY AND BE WITH US AS IT IS NOW. SO PLEASE VOTE NO TO THIS ZONING CHANGE. THANK YOU.

CINDY MERIC. YOU CAN GO BACK TO YOUR OTHER SEAT IF YOU WOULD LIKE. WE WILL REFILL THAT LINE IN ABOUT THREE MINUTES. I NEED YOU TO GIVE THIS TO THE YOUNG LADY AT THE END THERE.

I LIVE AT 3653 PIONEER TRAIL. I AM PROBABLY A QUARTER TO HALF MILE FROM THE SITE. THOSE OF US OR THE MAJORITY IN SAM SOLO MOVED THERE TO RAISE LIVESTOCK OR TO RAISE CROPS OR JUST TO GET AWAY FROM THE CITY. I HAVE BEEN OUT THERE ABOUT 40 YEARS AND I AM STILL CONSIDERED A NEWCOMER. WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY. WHEN VENETIAN BAY WAS PUT IN WE WERE TOLD TIME AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE A COMPLETELY SELF CONTAINED COMMUNITY. HERE WE ARE LOOKING AT THE FIRST BIG PROJECT AND IT'S OUTSIDE VENETIAN BAY. VENETIAN BAY SITS WITH A BEAUTIFUL CITY CENTER, CLOCK TOWER, BENCHES, TREES AND ANYTHING YOU WANT. I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THE RATIONAL. I HAVE ALSO HEARD IT IS SO FAR TO GO TO PLACES. I TOOK A DAY DURING THE WEEK ON SEPTEMBER 4, 2013, AND I TOOK A STOP WATCH AND TOOK MY ODOMETER AND STARTED MEASURING AND TIMING HOW FAR IT WAS TO GO TO THESE TERRIBLY FAR AWAY PLACES. PUBLICS AND WEST GATE PLAZA IS 4.3 MILES. IT TOOK ME 6 MINUTES, 50 SECONDS. THE NEWEST STORE THAT WE HAVE CLOSE IS WALMART. IT'S 5.1 MILES. IT TOOK ME 8 MINUTES, 52 SECONDS. I DID THIS AT 2:00 IN THE AFTERNOON SO IT WAS KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY WHEN PEOPLE WOULD BE TRAVELING. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT FOUR MILES OR SIX MINUTES OR SEVEN MINUTES IS WORTH DESTROYING A WHOLE WAY OF LIFE FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. I WAS INTERESTED IN THE IRONY LAST TIME WE MET HERE. IT WAS EARTH DAY OR NEAR EARTH DAY. I LOOKED DOWNSTAIRS AND WE HAD ALL THESE EXHIBITS ON OPEN LAND AND AGRICULTURAL AND HOW VITAL IT ALL IS AND UP HERE WAS PLANNING TO SEE HOW MUCH MORE WE COULD PAVE OVER, TREES TO TAKE DOWN, MORE ASPHALT, MORE PEOPLE. YESTERDAY THE LADY THAT WORKS WITH ME WAS COMING TO MY HOUSE AND THERE WAS A TRACTOR ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD AND A CAR PULLED OUT AROUND THE TRACTOR INTO HER LANE AND THEY HIT. THAT'S PIONEER TRAIL. I HAVE HAD ANOTHER CAR COME CRASHING BY. LUCKILY I HADN'T TURNED INTO MY DRIVEWAY. IF I HAD HE WOULD HAVE T BONED ME. THOSE DITCHES ARE 15 FEET DEEP. THEY'RE GREAT FOR ME BECAUSE NOBODY GETS TO MY FENCE TO RUN A CAR THROUGH IT AND GET TO MY PASTURE BUT FOR HEAVIER TRAFFIC IT'S CLOSE NOW. I WOULD VERY, VERY MUCH URGE YOU TO VOTE AGAINST THIS PROJECT. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

MICHAEL DAVIS.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. I WAS ASKED AS REPRESENTATIVE OF THE BOARD OF REALTORS OF NEW SMYRNA BEACH.

MAY WE HAVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

3364GALLEA DRIVE, RESIDENT OF VENETIAN BAY, NEW SMYRNA BEACH. A RESOLUTION FROM THE NEW SMYRNA BEACH BOARD OF REALTORS SUPPORTING ECONOMIC GROWTH AND PROTECTION OF PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS WHEREAS NEW SMYRNA BEACH BOARD OF REALTORS RESPECT PROPERTY RIGHTS AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WE BELIEVE SPECIFIC PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT AREA IN QUESTION PIONEER TRAIL AND AIRPORT ROAD INTERSECTION HAS TRANSITION LOCATION AND ENCOURAGE BOTH SMART COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL GROWTH FOR THE FUTURE OF THE PIONEER TRAIL CORRIDOR THAT THE BOARD SUPPORT ECONOMIC ROYALTY PROTECTION OF PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS SAID RESOLUTION AS ADOPTED BY BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF NEW SMYRNA BEACH BOARD OF REALTORS ON APRIL 16, 2014, PASSAGE IS BY SIGNATURE OF THE 2014 PRESIDENT. I WROTE A LETTER TO THE EDITOR CONCERNING THIS AND AS A RESIDENT OF VENETIAN BAY I HAVE TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST WITH YOU. I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE HAD PUBLICS IN VENETIAN BAY BUT I CAN'T HELP BUT NOTICE WITH THE PEOPLE FROM POND INLET AND SOUTH DAYTONA AND EVERYWHERE ELSE THAT DOESN'T LIVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT PUBLICS IS BEING VILIFIED OVER THIS. IT MAKES IT SOUND LIKE THEY'RE A TYRANT THAT WILL COME IN AND DESTROY OUR ROADS, OUR HOMES, OUR WAY OF LIFE. I CAN'T HELP BUT NOTICE UNLESS THERE IS A HELIPORT THAT THEY WILL BRING GROCERIES IN THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE TRUCKS UP AND DOWN THE ROADS WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT. WITH THE INTERCHANGE THAT MORE THAN LIKELY WILL COME TO PASS ONCE WOOD RIDGE IS PUT INTO PLACE. WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE DEVELOPMENT IN THE AREA. I RESPECT THE FACT THAT SAM SOLO HAS A RICH HERITAGE. I HAVE LIVED IN THIS AREA 55 YEARS. WHETHER WE WANT TO HAVE GROWTH OR NOT IT IS GOING TO COME. IF WE DO IT SMART AND WE ALLOW SOME OF THE NEW GROWTH TO COMMEND SUCH AS PUBLICS IS WANTING IF ANYBODY THINKS THIS IS A STRIP MALL I CAN SHOW YOU STRIP MALL. THIS IS NOT A STRIP MALL. IT'S INTELLIGENT DESIGN, FITS IN OUR AREA, BUFFERS ARE SMART. IT'S ALLOWED TO WHERE IT IS MORE CONVENIENT FOR MULTIPLE RESIDENCES. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT VENETIAN BAY, WATERS EDGE, PROMENADE PARK. WE ARE NOT GOING TO STOP DEVELOPING NEW HOMES. VENETIAN BAY IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO GROW. ICI IS STILL DEVELOPING WATERS EDGE. WHERE DOES IT STOP? I DO UNDERSTAND THAT IT DOES TAKE A SHORT TIME TO GET TO WALMART AND A LITTLE FARTHER TO GET TO PUBLICS DOWNTOWN AND SUCH. WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO PORT ORANGE. IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THE CONVENIENCE AROUND THE CORNER WITH A NICE TAX BASE PROVIDING ADDITIONAL JOBS AND INCREASING PROPERTY VALUES. WE JUST CAME OUT OF ONE OF THE WORST RECESSIONS SINCE 1930. THANK YOU.

JOSEPH BENEDICT .

JOSEPH BEN DICTATED III, RESIDE AT 695 NORTH AIRPORT ROAD WITH A LIFE ESTATE. I AM NOT A LANDOWNER PER SE. BUT I WAS VERY FORTUNATE HAVING BEEN BORN THERE OR ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY MY BROTHER NOW OWNS SOME 75 YEARS AGO. I ALSO HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO SIT IN YOUR POSITION SOME 42 YEARS AGO. SO I KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GOING THROUGH. I DID EVERYTHING POSSIBLE NOT TO COME HERE TODAY BECAUSE PART OF MY RETIREMENT WAS TO TRY TO STAY OUT OF TROUBLE BUT EVERY TIME I TURN AROUND IT SEEMS TO FOLLOW ME AROUND AS YOU KNOW MR. CHAIRMAN I SERVE AS CHAIRMAN OF THE MEDICAL CENTER. I REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO BE HERE TODAY. MOST PEOPLE WANT A DECISION TODAY THAT'S IN THEIR BEST INTEREST. I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THEIR BEST INTEREST. BECAUSE EVERYONE -- TO ME I AM GOING TO TELL YOU I

DON'T CARE IF PUBLICS GETS THERE OR NOT. BUT IF I HAD TO SIT ON THAT SIDE AND I HAD TO -- AND I KNOW WHAT I KNOW NOW THROUGH MY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE THAT IS THE SITE. IT IS DUE AT THIS TIME IF YOU PASS IT OR DON'T PASS IT IT'S NOT GOING TO BOTHER ME. I HAVE MY PIECE OF HEAVEN. I WISH I COULD HAVE BEEN PART OF THE SAM SOLO PLAN BUT THE WISDOM OF THE PLANNERS, I PUT QUOTES AROUND PLANNERS BECAUSE I HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THEM, THEY TOOK AIRPORT BECAUSE ONE SIDE WAS URBAN. ONE SIDE WAS RURAL. MY SIDE IS URBAN. YOU'VE GOT A TOUGH DECISION HERE TODAY. BUT I WANT TO TELL YOU IN MY EXPERIENCE AND I CUT MY TEETH BEFORE I GOT ON THE COUNTY COUNCIL AND ZONING BOARD SO I PROPOSED FIRST COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR VOLUSIA COUNTY. I HAVE DONE MANY CHANGES. FIRST MANAGEMENT OF GROWTH MANAGEMENT POSITION. I AM NOT A PLANNER BUT I HAVE A PLANNING BACKGROUND. I CAN TELL YOU IF YOU TAKE ALL THE SITES IN THE AREA THIS IS THE CORRECT SITE. THE PEOPLE IN VENETIAN BAY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE IT IN THERE BUT I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW IF I WAS TO GO IN THERE AND SHOP THEY WOULDN'T WANT ME IN THERE. THAT'S HUMAN NATURE. THAT IS HUMAN NATURE. SHOPPING CENTERS WORK IN MAJOR DEVELOPMENT WHEN THEY HAVE HOUSES TO FILL THE BIG STORE. IF THEY DON'T HAVE IT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO -- THAT'S WHY PUBLICS IS NOT GOING IN TODAY. YOU HAVE A HARD DECISION TO MAKE. I THINK THIS IS THE PLACE AND IT'S THE TIME AND I DON'T THINK IT WOULD AFFECT SAM SOLO COMMUNITY ONE IODA. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ENJOYED SEEING YOU.

JIM PLETERSKI. YOU ARE NEXT. THEN WE WILL CALL ANOTHER ROLL CALL AND HAVE A NEW GROUP UP FRONT.

GOOD AFTERNOON. I RESIDE AT 581 NORTH SAM SOLO DRIVE, ALSO I DO A LITTLE BIT OF FARMING EXERCISE WITH A SMALL SCALE FARM ON MY PARENTS' PROPERTY. YOU HEARD MY MOTHER MARY UP HERE EARLIER. ALTHOUGH IT MAY NOT LOOK LIKE IT I WAS IN THE FIELD YESTERDAY TRYING TO GET WATER TO MY ANKLES OUT OF THE SQUASH AND CUCUMBERS. SO I STILL ENJOY FARMING THERE AND TAKE MY PRODUCE TO A LOCAL FARMERS' MARKET. THAT BRINGS A POINT I GET THE ADVANTAGE OF PERHAPS SPEAKING AFTER THE OTHERS. IN THE PAST THE FARMING OPERATIONS WERE A LITTLE BIT LARGER SCALE. YOU HAD MAYBE 10, 20-ACRE FARMS BUT YOU WILL SEE TODAY THAT THERE IS MORE AND MORE OF A TREND FOR SMALL SCALE FARMING. IN FACT A BIG DEMAND FOR LOCAL PRODUCE THAT IS SOLD AT LOCAL FARMERS MARKETS, A COUPLE IN NEW SMYRNA, PORT ORANGE, ETC. THIS IS A GROWING TREND. THIS IS A FORWARD LOOKING TREND. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT. I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS PROCESS FOR A LONG TIME SINCE THE APPLICANT PUT IN THIS REQUEST FIRST. I HAVE LEARNED A LOT BY ATTENDING MEETINGS THROUGH GROWTH MANAGEMENT AND PLANNING AND ZONING AND UNDERSTANDING HOW THE PROCESS WORKS IF YOU WILL. AT ALL THESE OPPORTUNITIES WHEN I AM UP HERE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT I ALWAYS TRY TO MENTION WHAT I WOULD CONSIDER FACTS AND DATA, IN OTHER WORDS, REFERENCING STAFF REPORTS AND ARROWS AND CIRCLES AND SQUARES AND OVERHEAD VIEWS. I WAS PREPARED TO SPEAK TO THAT EXTENT TODAY BUT I WANT TO DIVERT A LITTLE BIT TO SOMETHING THAT'S NOT SO MUCH FACTUAL BUT SEEMS TO BE SOMEWHAT OF A MAYBE FICTION. FACT IS DATA. FICTION IS ABOUT PROPOSED PUBLICS WHICH AS YOU WELL UNDERSTAND COUNCIL MEMBERS THERE IS NOTHING THAT STIPULATES THAT A PUBLICS OR WALL MAR OR WALGREEN'S OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT GETS PLACED ON THIS PROPERTY IF IT'S PUT FORWARD TO THE APPLICANT. THERE IS NO STIPULATION OR WORDING AT ALL. I WOULD HOPE AND TRUST THAT YOU MIGHT CLARIFY THAT FOR PERHAPS MEMBERS HERE IN CHAMBERS TODAY, THE PUBLIC, TO BRING THAT POINT OUT. I

WILL MAKE A BRIEF CONCLUSION. YOU DO HAVE A VERY DIFFICULT DECISION TO MAKE. I AM CERTAIN A LOT OF YOU PERHAPS ALL WILL SAY THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF MY MOST DIFFICULT DECISIONS. I HAVE HAD TO PONDER AND MEDITATE ON THIS. MY SIMPLE REQUEST, RESPECTFUL REQUEST, IS AS YOU ARE DISCUSSING THIS ACH THE END OF OUR PUBLIC COMMENT THIS AFTERNOON, YOU PLEASE BASE YOUR DECISION UPON THE DATA, THE FACTS, IF YOU WILL. REFERENCE THE STAFF REPORT. WE'LL UNDERSTAND BY THE WORDS YOU USE WHAT YOU'RE BASING YOUR DECISION UPON. IN THAT RESPECT FACTOR FICTION PLEASE, PLEASE BASE THAT ON THE DATA PROVIDED. I DO APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS AFTERNOON. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. YOU ARE NEXT KRIS SHERMAN. STAND HERE FOR A MOMENT AND LET'S REFILL THE FRONT ROW. I WAS HANDED A PILE THAT SAYS THE TEAM. THIS WOULD BE SAM'S, LECITOR AND BAS LIMKEY. ANY OF THESE NAMES? YOU ARE SPEAKING FOR THE GROUP OR INDIVIDUALLY?

WE ARE PART OF IT.

OH YOU ARE PART OF THAT GROUP. OKAY. SO YOU ARE NOT SPEAKING -- LIKE YOU ARE THE LEADER AND YOU ARE SPEAKING FOR THE GROUP.

THAT'S CORRECT, I AM NOT THE LEADER.

DID YOU WANT TO BE?

DID YOU WANT TO BE THE LEADER OF THE GROUP? OKAY. I AM SORRY. HAVE A SEAT. I STILL HAVE A LIST GO THROUGH. I HAVE A LIST OF PEOPLE TO GO THROUGH. PLEASE HAVE A SEAT. JIM MORRIS. WHERE ARE YOU AT?

I DIDN'T PUT MY NAME. SOMEBODY WROTE MY NAME.

OKAY, JIM.

MICHAEL LEAK, DID YOU TURN ONE IN?

I DID.

COME HAVE A SEAT IN THE FRONT ROW. SCOTT LESNET. I GET THESE PAPER CLIPPED TOGETHER. DOES THIS MEAN YOU ARE SPEAKING FOR A GROUP OR ARE YOU INDIVIDUALS? THESE OTHER INDIVIDUALS ARE PART OF YOUR GROUP? OKAY. YOU ARE SPEAKING INDIVIDUALLY.

THEY MIGHT HAVE BEEN CLIPPED TOGETHER BECAUSE OF THE ITEM THAT THEY WROTE AT THE TOP.

OKAY. GOTCHA COVERED. THANK YOU.

FOR A POINT OF CLARIFICATION GOING FORWARD WE HAD 20 MINUTES ON APPLICANTS' SIDE. WHO WILL BE PRESENTING ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE? SHOULD WE BE HAVING THAT BETWEEN THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION? THERE IS A 20 MINUTE WINDOW WE ARE STILL WORKING WITH.

WE ARE WORKING ON THAT. MR. HUSSEINY. HE ASKED TO BE LAST.

OKAY.

DONALD SMITH. SORRY THIS IS TAKING TIME. MR.SMITH. DON SMITH. ARE YOU HERE? HE DIDN'T FILL OUT HIS FORM EITHER. SOMEBODY FILLED IT OUT. OKAY. BRIAN HENRY, COME ON UP TO THE FRONT ROW. EASIER FOR EVERYBODY TO BE INVOLVED. JOEY ALEX ANDER. YOU ARE IN THE FRONT ROW. YOU STAY THERE. JIM RUSSELL.

HE IS FRONT ROW TOO. HE'S GOOD.

HI JIM. YOU ARE GOOD. DWIGHT BABIER, COME ON UP FRONT -- BABER, COME ON UP FRONT SIR. BRIAN PARKER, SHELDON RUBEN. DO YOU WANT TO STAY THERE OR COME UP FRONT? STAY THERE. ALL RIGHT. ALLEN GREEN. MAYOR GREEN. YOU CAN STAY THERE MR. MAYOR. YOU ARE ON AN OUTSIDE ROW. THEN MR. HUSSEINY. THOSE ARE THE FINAL CONTESTANTS THAT WILL BE SPEAKING THIS AFTERNOON. WE HAD SAM'S LACITER, BAS LIMSKEY, STAN ROBER AND ROBERT RIDGE. IF YOU WANT TO COME FRONT AND SIT IN THAT ROW TOO. WE WILL ROCK. OKAY. EVERYBODY WE WILL HAVE A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME BEFORE I RUN OUT OF THESE AND THEN WE'RE DONE WITH PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. ONE MOMENT.

KRIS SHERMAN, 240 HACK MORE DRIVE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. I KNOW YOU'VE HAD A TOUGH DECISION AHEAD OF YOU TODAY. MOST OF WHAT I WANT TO SAY HAS BEEN VERY WELL SAID BY PEOPLE THAT DON'T GET AS NERVOUS AS ME. I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS, I LEARNED THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO STAND UP FOR THE RURAL AREAS BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T THERE IS ALWAYS SOMEBODY THERE READY TO DESTROY IT. I URGE YOU TO VOTE AGAINST IT. THANK YOU.

I THOUGHT YOU LOOKED FAMILIAR. THANK YOU. YOU DID VERY WELL. I KNOW YOU WERE NERVOUS. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. WE DON'T THROW THINGS AT PEOPLE OFTEN. MICHAEL LEAK.

MY NAME IS MICHAEL LEAK WITH PUBLIC SUPERMARKETS. 3300 PUBLIC PARKWAY IN LAKELAND FLORIDA. I APPRECIATE THE TIME FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF PUBLICS IN FAVOR OF THIS APPLICATION. I AM HERE TO SAY --

OH WE DO REMAIN IN ORDER PLEASE.

THAT SIGN IS NOT OUR SIGN ON THE PROPERTY. WE ARE UNDER CONTRACT FOR THIS PROPERTY. PUBLICS MISSION IS TO BE PREMIERE QUALITY FOOD RETAILER IN THE WORLD. TO DO THAT WE HAVE TO EXECUTE NOT ONLY ON THE INSIDE BUT ALSO ON THE OUTSIDE TO EXECUTE ON THE OUTSIDE STARTS WITH FINDING A LOCATION. WE LOOK FOR A LOCATION THAT IS CONVENIENT AND THAT HAS ACCESS. OUR INTEREST IN THIS PROPERTY GOES BACK A LONG WAY. WE HAVE BEEN UNDER CONTRACT WITH MR. RUBEN FOR TWO YEARS AND WE FEEL THAT THIS CITED OR THIS INTERSECTION -- SITE OR THIS INTERSECTION HAS A SENSE OF PLACE. IT HAS A GRAVITY TO IT. THE INTERSECTION HAS GROWN UP AROUND IT. AND THE -- WE ARE HOPING THAT THE COUNTY APPROVES THIS APPLICATION SO WE CAN BETTER OUR CUSTOMERS AND BETTER SERVE YOUR CITIZENS. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SIR.

SCOTT LESNIT.

GOOD AFTERNOON. I LIVE AT 459 VENETIAN VILLA IN THE VILLAS IN VENETIAN BAY. I OWN AN EQUIPMENT FINANCE AND LEASING COMPANY FOR THE LAST 25 YEARS. WE MOVED HERE ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AGO, MY WIFE AND I. SO WE WERE ONE OF THE FIRST RESIDENTS IN VENETIAN BAY AND FROM THAT VERY BEGINNING I MEAN IT WAS TALKED ABOUT, PROPOSED, ONE OF THE DRAWS FOR US AS WELL AS ALL THE OTHER NEIGHBORS WAS THE GROCERY STORE. WE HAVE SEEN IT COME AND GO A LOT WITH THE RECESSION. THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE STILL DON'T WANT IT. SENSE THE BEGINNING WHEN WE MOVED HERE I GOT ON THE H.O.A. AND HAVE BEEN ON THE H.O.A. SINCE. I WAS PRESIDENT THE LAST THREE YEARS. I CAN TELL YOU WITH TRUE SINCERITY THAT THE RESIDENTS OF THE VILLAS AND VENETIAN BAY AREA OVERWHELMINGLY SUPPORT THIS PUBLICS AND THIS PIONEER SQUARE DEVELOPMENT. THE PEOPLE, THE CONVENIENCE, IT'S STRONG SUPPORT OF PEOPLE I TALK TO AND AS I SEE PEOPLE MOVING IN. THE QUESTION HERE ISN'T WHICH DEVELOPER DO YOU PREFER. IT SEEMS TO BE ONE OF THE QUESTIONS. THIS IS A COMMUNITY QUESTION. WHAT DO THE PEOPLE WANT? WHO IS IT BEST SERVING? WHAT DO THEY FAVOR? I AM SO CONVINCED THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT IS JUST PERFECT FOR WHERE WE ARE TALKING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT A CHEMICAL PLANT OR A STRIP MALL OR ASPHALT PLANT. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FOOD, GROCERIES, A SMALL GROCERY STORE THAT EVERYONE VALUES IS CLOSE AND WHEN YOU ARE TALKING CONVENIENCE THAT'S ONE OF THE GREATEST THINGS YOU CAN HAVE FOR A GROCERY STORE. WE'VE GOT IT. WE'VE GOT A PERFECT SITE. I THINK IT IS AS GOOD AS BEING IN THE MIDDLE OF VENETIAN BAY. AS FAR AS A MACRO VIEW I MEAN WE ARE RIGHT AT VENETIAN BAY, SPRUCE CREEK, WATER'S EDGE, AND THE SAM SEW WILL A RESIDENTS. IT SHOULDN'T BE A BETTER LOCATION I DON'T THINK AT AIRPORT AND PIONEER ROAD. THE CENTRAL LOCATION, CONVENIENCE, ACCEPTANCE OF THE COMMUNITY IS WHAT I THINK IS THE MAIN PLUS. I URGE YOU TO MAKE YOUR DECISION BASED UPON WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS. WHAT DO THEY FAVOR AS BEING THE BEST IN THE FAVORED POSITION FOR THIS AREA. I STRONGLY SUPPORT THE PIONEER SQUARE DEVELOPMENT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SIR. BRIAN HENRY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO SIT IN THE FRONT. YOU CAN GO BACK TO YOUR SEAT.

OKAY.

OR YOU CAN STAY THERE. IT'S YOUR CALL.

BRIAN HENRY, 2965 HARDY AVENUE NEW SMYRNA BEACH FLORIDA. WHILE I DON'T LIVE IN VENETIAN BAY OR WATER'S EDGE, I LIVE FURTHER EAST OFF OF PIONEER TRAIL THERE IS A FAIRLY LARGE GROUP OF US, MOST OF MY NEIGHBORS I HAVE TALKED TO, WE WOULD FAVOR A STORE COME FORM AN HONOR GUARD THAT AREA BECAUSE IT KEEPS US OFF 44 AND DONE LOT ESPECIALLY DURING THE DENSITY. TRY TO GET DOWN 44 ON A BUSY WEEKEND YOU CAN HARDLY GET TO THE GROCERY STORE AND COME BACK. IT WOULD BE EASIER TO RUN TO PIONEER TRAIL. I DO SYMPATHIZE WITH THE PEOPLE BUT THERE IS THE URBAN DEVELOPMENT BOUNDARY AND ZONING THEY HAVE THAT PROTECTS THEM TO THE WEST. THIS CORRIDOR IS OBVIOUSLY GOING. IF YOU DROVE THROUGH IN THE LAST WEEKS THEY HAVE BROKE GROUND ON THE LAST PHASE OF WATER'S EDGE. THIS SPOT OF GREEN WHERE THIS PUBLICS IS GOING TO GO AND A FEW FARMS IS ALL THAT'S LEFT. IT IS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO BE ONE GIANT COMMUNITY. IT ESSENTIALLY WILL BE THE MASTER PLAN COMMUNITY MORE OR LESS. I DON'T HAVE A LOT NEW TO ADD TO IT. I AM IN FAVOR OF IT AND THINK PUBLICS IS A

GREAT STORE. I THINK IT WILL IMPROVE THE COMMUNITY. I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO VOTE YES FOR THE PUBLICS. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SIR. IS THERE A YOUNG LADY HERE BY JULIE ALEXANDER?

THANK YOU. I WILL READ FAST SO I CAN TRY TO GET THIS IN. GOOD AFTERNOON MR. CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. I RESIDE AT 1930 SECLUSION DRIVE PORT ORANGE. I AM ONE OF THE RESIDENTS NOT A PAID CONSULTANT WHO WOULD BE BENEFICIARY OF YOU SAYING YES. I WAS A SITTING COUNCIL MEMBER WHEN THIS PROPOSAL WAS FIRST BROUGHT FORWARD. P.O.D.R.C. APPROVED LIMITED COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THE RR FARMS PROPERTY MARCH 9, 2010 AND COUNCIL ADOPTED THE AMENDMENT ON JULY 8 WITH A REZONING AMOVED ON JULY 22, 2010. THIS WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE AMENDMENTED FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION WHICH LIMITED THE DEVELOPMENT TO A MAXIMUM OF 60,000 SQUARE FEET AND THEN POLITICS AT ITS BEST OR PERHAPS I SHOULD SAY POLITICS AT ITS WORST KICKED IN AND THERE WAS AN ADMINISTRATIVE CHALLENGE. SEVERAL MEETINGS FOLLOWED AND IN DECEMBER A PROPOSED SETTLEMENT WAS OFFERED TO CHANGE FROM THE ADOPTED COMMERCIAL TO URBAN LOW INTENSITY. THIS WAS BELIEVED BY MANY TO BE RECOMMENDED SO PUBLICS WOULD GO TO ANOTHER DEVELOPMENT SINCE ULI DESIGNATION WOULD ALLOW COMMERCIAL BUT JUST NOT A PUBLICS BECAUSE NO ONE STRUCTURE COULD EXCEED 15,000 SQUARE FEET. RR FARMS DEVELOPMENT HAD NO SATISFACTORY OPTION OTHER THAN TO REVERT BACK TO ORIGINAL LAND USE AND ZONING CLASSIFICATION. WE ARE AT THE FINISH LINE FOUR YEARS LATER. THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING APPROXIMATELY 110,000 PERMANENT JOBS TO THE COMMUNITY BY A LANDOWNER WHO IS NOT ASKING FOR INCENTIVES. HE HAS ALREADY DONATED RIGHT-OF-WAY ON AIRPORT ROAD AND ADDITIONAL DONATIONS ARE ANTICIPATED ON PIONEER TRAIL AT THE REQUEST OF STAFF. IF THE PROJECT WAS STARTING FROM SCRATCH AND SOMEONE SAID THEY HAVE A PROJECT THAT WILL PROVIDE 110 PERMANENT JOBS BY A MAJOR COMPANY I BELIEVE THE COUNTY WOULD BE LOOKING FOR INCENTIVES TO RECRUIT DEVELOPMENT JUST LIKE WE DID WHEN WOOD HAVEN PLANNED THE COMMUNITY AND WE GAVE 9.3 MILLION FOR ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE. HOWEVER NOW THE WOOD HAVEN DEVELOPER IS ASKING FOR EVEN MORE THOUGH THE CONTRACT STATES ANY COSTS ABOVE THE 9.3 MILLION WILL BE PAID BY THE DEVELOPER. PIONEER SQUARE DEVELOPER IS ASKING FOR COUNCIL'S APPROVAL TO PUT A PUBLICS MARKET ON A WELL BUFFERED CORNER AVASENT TO A LARGE COMMUNITY FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY. THIS AMENDMENT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY PLDRC, HAS BEEN FOUND CONSISTENT, IS GOOD FOR THE PEOPLE IN VENETIAN BAY, GOOD FOR THE PEOPLE IN WATER'S EDGE. THE CURRENT RESIDENTS AS WELL AS THE 92 NEW HOMES THAT BROKE GROUND A FEW MONTHS AGO THAT ARE QUITE VISIBLE FROM THIS PROPOSED PROJECT. AS A REMINDER TO THE RESIDENTS THIS PROPERTY IS NOT IN SAM SOLO LOCAL PLAN NOR WOULD IT BE A DETRACTOR. CURRENT LAND USE ALLOWS FOR CLEAR USE BUT THIS PLAN WOULD INCLUDE THIS OAK HAMMOCK. IT'S NOT A STRIP CENTER BEING RECOMMENDED. IT'S A PUBLICS. WE NEED THE NEIGHBORHOOD GROCERY STORE. IT IS RESTRICTED TO 15,000 SQUARE FEET STRUCTURE OFFERED IN 2010 AS A RESULT OF ADMINISTRATIVE CHALLENGE YOU GET THOSE JUNK STORES RATHER THAN A GROCERY STORE. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT WE WILL GET IF YOU LET IT GO AGAIN. THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE AND IT'S THE RIGHT TIME. PLEASE APPROVE THIS. YOUR SUPPORT WILL BE APPLAUDED BY MANY, MANY OF US. I HAD MORE.

I KNOW YOU DID.

THANK YOU.

I SAW THE FOUR PAGES. WELCOME BACK TO CHAMBERS. THAT'S ALL I WAS GOING TO SAY. YOU CUT ME RIGHT OFF.

MR. JIM RUSSELL . HOW ARE YOU DOING?

GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD. HOW ARE YOU? YOU'RE LOOKING GOOD.

A NEW HEART WORKS. FOR THE RECORD I'M JIM RUSSELL, LIVE AT 3371TUSCANO AVENUE IN NEW SMYRNA BEACH. I AM NOT ONLY A RESIDENT OF VENETIAN BAY BUT WHAT YOU SEE TODAY AS A LAY OUT FOR THAT COMMUNITY WAS ORIGINALLY THE RESULT OF MYSELF AND MY LAND PLANNER SITTING DOWN WITH A BLANK SHEET ON 1300 ACRES OF PASTURE. OUR PLAN DID NOT REDUCE TREES BY MORE THAN TWO ACRES OUT OF 1300 ACRES. I AM AN EXPERT. I AM A PLANNER. I KNOW THIS LAND. I KNOW THIS PROPERTY. I KNOW THIS AREA. LET'S TAKE A LOOK UP THERE AT MY CRUDE -- IN THE CENTER IS WHERE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING THIS GROCERY STORE. THAT OUTER RING IS ABOUT A THREE MILE RADIUS FROM THAT POINT. WITHIN THAT RING OVER 5000 HOMES WOULD LIKE VERY MUCH TO HAVE A PUBLICS AT THAT CORNER. AS A MATTER OF FACT I HAVE SERVED ON OUR COUNTY'S SMART GROWTH COMMITTEES. SOME OF YOU MAY REMEMBER NRAC, ENVIRONMENTAL AND NATURAL RESOURCES COMMITTEE. IT GOES BACK ABOUT 15 YEARS. I FEEL ONE OF THE GOALS OF SMART GROWTH IS TO REDUCE THE DEPENDENCY ON AUTOMOBILES AND CUT TRAFFIC. THIS LOCATION DOES THAT. IT KEEPS PEOPLE FROM HAVING TO DRIVE PAST TWO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS UP TO DONE LOTTEN, KEEPS PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT COMFORTABLE DRIVING IN THE TRAFFIC OF DONE LOTTEN AND THAT AREA. THAT'S ONE POINT. POINT NUMBER 2, THIS DEVELOPMENT, THIS PUBLICS WILL RAISE THE VALUE OF ALL OF THOSE HOMES WITHIN THAT RADIUS BY AT LEAST 10%. THAT'S NOT A FACT. THAT'S AN OPINION BASED ON 25 YEARS OF REAL ESTATE HERE IN THIS AREA. THAT MEANS ALREADY YOU HAVE SEEN TREMENDOUS INCREASE IN THE TAXABLE BASE. YOU WILL SEE EVEN MORE TAX REVENUE COME TO THE COUNTY. HOPEFULLY SOME OF OUR GAS TAXES WILL BE USED FINALLY TO UPGRADE PIONEER TRAIL WHICH I TOLD YOUR PREDECESSORS IN 1989 YOU SHOULD WIDEN THAT TRAIL. WE SENT GAS TAX MONEY TO THE COUNTY. WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR THAT TRAIL TO BE WIDENED. IMMATERIAL. PLEASE, COMMON SENSE, YOU CAN SEE THIS IS NOT RURAL. JOEY MENTIONED ANOTHER 98 HOMES BEING BUILT JUST ABOUT 500 YARDS FROM THIS LOCATION. SAMSULA PLAN PEOPLE, WE PROTECTED THEIR PLAN. WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT. IT'S NOT BEING THREATENED. WHEN I SERVED ON PNLDRC FOR THE COUNTY WE HAD INCIDENTS WHERE IF WE APPROVED SOMETHING IT DID NOT SET A PRECEDENT. SO PLEASE DON'T WORRY ABOUT THE SLIPPERY SLOPE. FORGIVE ME I CAN GO ON. I WILL STOP IT NOW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. MAY COMMON SENSE RULE.

THANK YOU MR. RUSSELL. DWIGHT BABER.

GOOD AFTERNOON. I LIVE AT 3408TORY BOULEVARD IN SAVANNAH POINT WHICH IS A PART OF VENETIAN BAY. MY WIFE IS VICE PRESIDENT OF THE SAVANNAH POINT H.O.A. AND I AM TREASURER. I AM A UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA GRAD AND MEMBER OF THE GUARD. I PRACTICED AS A FLORIDA ARCHITECT AND WAS A CERTIFIED BUILDING CONTRACTOR. I HAVE SERVED ON NUMEROUS BOARDS AND HAVE OBSERVED PROJECTS FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE. I WAS MAYOR OF WEST PALM BEACH IN 1984. WEST PALM IS THE LARGEST CITY IN PALM BEACH COUNTY WHICH IS PROBABLY LARGEST COUNTY EAST OF THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER. THE POINT IS I HAVE SEEN LOTS OF PROJECTS, GOOD AND BAD. THIS IS A GOOD PROJECT. IT

PRESERVES THE TREES. REMAINING AGRICULTURAL DOESN'T EVEN DO THAT. LOOK AT THE SAMSALA ROAD, THEY'RE PLOWED TO THE PAVEMENT. THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD GROCERY STORE WITH A BRANCH BANK AND ATM, THE BEST COMMERCIAL NEIGHBORS YOU CAN GET. THE FACT THAT YOU APPROVED THIS ONCE TELLS ME YOU RECOGNIZE THAT. IN MY DAY THIS WOULD BE CALLED A NO BRAINER. BASE YOUR DECISION ON THE GREATEST GOOD FOR THE GREATEST NUMBER OF PEOPLE, PEOPLE WHO ARE TAXPAYERS AND VOTERS. DON'T BASE IT ON THE WANTS OF AN INDIVIDUAL. WHEN YOU PASS THIS TODAY, IT WILL STILL BE A YEAR AND A HALF BEFORE MY WIFE CAN BUY GROCERIES. DO THE RIGHT THING. GET HER OFF HIGHWAY 44. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION. [ LAUGHTER ]

IS COUNCIL OKAY? DOES ANYBODY NEED TO TAKE A BREAK? NOPE, KEEP GOING. ALL RIGHT. MR. PARKER, BRIAN.

AFTERNOON. BRIAN PARKER 1536 STEPHENS AVENUE. I AM REPRESENTING MY SISTER IN LAW WHO LIVES AT 830 AIRPORT ROAD. I AM SPEAKING ON HER BEHALF. SHE WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE IT. THE PROPOSED AREA TO BE CHANGED ALLOWED PUBLICS IS THE PERFECT PLACE, THE CROSS ROADS, WHOLE 9 YARDS. THE DEVELOPMENT IS ALREADY THERE AS FAR AS SMALL FARMERS THAT WANT TO KEEP THEIR PROPERTY AND FARM, ALL THAT WILL STILL BE AVAILABLE TO THEM. AS FAR AS YOU KNOW THE ROAD SHOULD HAVE BEEN UPDATED A LONG TIME AGO. THERE HAVE BEEN SEMIS DRIVING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD CARRYING SOD AND AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. WE ARE JUST IN FAVOR OF THE ZONING CHANGE. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU.

OKAY. MR. RUBEN, SHELDON RUBEN. HOW ARE YOU?

GREAT, LUCKY, HAPPY TO BE HERE. IT'S A TOUGH PROCESS AND I AM FROM THE SOUTH BUT WE ARE WORKING ON IT. WE HAVE SPENT YEARS --

WE NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

SHELDON RUBEN, 9120EQUIS CIRCLE. I AM VERY PROUD TO BE HERE. IT'S A LONG PROCESS. YOU HEARD ALL THESE PEOPLE GIVE YOU ALL THE REASONS THAT -- THEY HAVE TOLD YOU EVERYTHING. FOR ME TO TELL YOU MORE, THEY MISSED ONE OR TWO THINGS WHICH IS THE AREA WITHIN A FIVE MILE RADIUS HAS GOT THE CAPACITY FOR ANOTHER 10,000 UNITS. EVERYBODY IS TALKING ABOUT THE 5000 UNITS NOW APPROVED AND ARE THERE BUT THERE IS ANOTHER 10,000 UNITS COMING. THINK ABOUT THAT. THE TRAFFIC ON AIRPORT ROAD, THE ROADS ARE FINE. THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER WILL TELL YOU. I AM NOT GOING TO TELL YOU ALL THIS. LET'S LET THE TEAM TELL YOU ABOUT ALL THIS. I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE TODAY. IT'S BEEN A LONG PROCESS, AND I AM HOPING YOU WILL APPROVE IT. IF YOU DO, IT WILL BE A BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL STORE ON THAT PROPERTY AND EVERYBODY WILL BE PROUD OF IT AND IT WILL BE CONVENIENT FOR EVERYBODY. THANK YOU ALL AND THANK YOU EVERYBODY HERE FOR YOUR SUPPORT. THANK YOU ALL.

MAYORALLEN GREEN -- MAYOR ALLEN GREEN. GOOD AFTERNOON MR. MAYOR.

GOOD AFTERNOON. I WOULD ASK FOR A DRINK OF WATER FROM Y'ALL BUT SEES AS HOW IT AFFECTED YOU AND BEN JOHNSON I DON'T WANT ANY.

WE'RE TOUGH.

4248 JACKSON STREET PORT ORANGE. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU GO THROUGH. I KNOW HOW DIFFICULT IT IS. ALL WE HAVE SAID SINCE '04 IS PROPERTY PLANNING, JOINT PLANNING, EACH OF US GETTING DOWN. WE MADE A COMMENT, WE WERE TOLD WE WERE NOT INVITED BECAUSE WE ARE NOT IN STANDING BECAUSE PORT ORANGE, IT DIDN'T TOUCH PORT ORANGE. BE REALISTIC WHAT PLANNING IS. I RESPECT BENEDICTS AND THOSE PEOPLE, THEY HAVE LIVED HERE. ONE THING IS THE INVESTMENT, COMMITMENT MADE BY YOU COUNTY, VENETIAN BAY, PORT ORANGE. WHAT WE HAVE PUT INTO THE ROAD AHEAD OF TIME WITH THE HELP OF THE COUNTY AND JERRY IF IT HADN'T BEEN FOR HIM PUTTING UP $6 MILLION OR TAXPAYERS' DOLLARS THE ROAD WOULD NOT MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. THINK ABOUT THAT. THINK ABOUT WHERE THE MONEY COME FROM. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW WHAT A CORPORATE BEGGAR IS BUT MR. RICHIE FROM DAYTONA SAID I WAS A CARPET BAGGER BECAUSE I WAS CONCEIVED IN PORT ORANGE, BORN IN HALL FAX HOSPITAL. WHAT THIS DEVELOPER IS IS A CARPET BAGGER. I AM NOT SAYING IT WON'T BE SOMETHING BUT THERE IS A METHODOLOGY CALLED JOINT PLANNING. IT HAS NOT OCCURRED. YOU SIT DOWN WITH THE ENTITIES AND DO IT RIGHT. THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT WAY. THANK YOU .

WITH THAT I WILL TURN THE GAVEL OVER TO MR. PATTERSON FOR A FEW MINUTES. HE IS ALREADY UP.

FOR FUTURE REFERENCE CAN WE NOTE IF AN APPLICANT IS GIVEN 20 MINUTES IT USUALLY INCLUDES HIS TEAM, FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY NOW WE WILL BE AT THE 45 MINUTE MARK.

THESE ARE NAMES OF PEOPLE THAT CAME IN AS FAR AS PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.

I AM FRIENDS WITH SANS. I AM JUST SAYING FOR FUTURE REFERENCE DON'T GIVE SOMEONE 20 MINUTES AND HAVE THE TEAM FILL OUT SHEETS.

MR. WAGNER IS CORRECT.

IT IS NOT FAIR.

IT IS OUT OF ORDER. NOT YOU. BUT I THINK THIS IS KIND OF SKIRTING AROUND OUR PROCESS AND I AM NOT REALLY PLEASED WITH IT AT ALL MR. CHAIR. I REQUEST YOU TO STAY HERE AND TAKE THAT BECAUSE I AM NOT -- THIS IS REALLY OUT OF ORDER. THESE PEOPLE ARE FRIENDS OF MINE BUT I JUST DON'T LIKE IT. I HAVE SEEN IT IN COMMITTEES WHERE PEOPLE WOULD COME UP AND FILL IT OUT THINKING THEY CAN EXTEND TIME. NONE OF THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT WERE FOR OR AGAINST CAME UP HERE TO SPEAK IN SUCH A WAY AS THEY COULD GET MORE THAN THREE MINUTES. I THINK THE TEAM, THEY HAD 20 MINUTES. THIS IS NOT RIGHT.

WELL AS IT HAS BEEN POINTED OUT TO ME BEFORE ON MANY OCCASIONS I HAVE SAID WE CAN'T DO THIS, YOU HAVE SPOKE AND WE SAID NO, NO THAT'S A FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT. WHERE DO WE DRAW THE LINE AT FIRST AMENDMENT?

ARE YOU PART OF THE TEAM?

YES, SIR.

WHAT TEAM ARE YOU PART OF?

UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA.

GO GATORS!

THAT'S GOOD SAM.

UNIVERSITY OWLS OVER HERE. COME ON.

I THINK THERE IS A REAL LESSON TO BE LEARNED HERE IN THAT THIS PROCESS NEEDS TO BE BETTER ORGANIZED BY YOU AS CHAIR AND THE STAFF PRIOR TO IT COMING TO THIS TABLE. MR. WAGNER IS CORRECT. 20 MINUTES, WE GAVE THE APPLICANT ADDITIONAL TIME. THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DIVIDED BETWEEN THE TEAM.

I DID NOT GET THIS TEAM THING.

YOU ARE THE CHAIRMAN.

WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE NAMES AS ALL THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPOKEN. WE'LL GIVE HIM HIS THREE MINUTES MINUTES. WE HAVE THE COUNTERARGUMENT SHALL WE SAY RESERVED FOR THE LAST AND HE WILL GET HIS 20 MINUTES TO TRY TO BALANCE THIS OUT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. MR. SANSLACETER. TAKE YOUR THREE MINUTES.

REGISTERED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, OFFICES ARE 123 LIVE OAK AVENUE DAYTONA BEACH 32114. I WILL TRY AND KEEP MY COMMENTS BRIEF. WE DID DO THE TRAFFIC STUDY. STAFF FOUND OUR TRAFFIC STUDY SHOWED THERE WAS PLENTY CONCURRENCY. STAFF DID POINT OUT THERE IS SUBSTANDARD LANE WIDTHS WHEN COMPARED TO 12 FEET AS TYPICAL LANE WIDTH. EVEN DOT ACCEPTS 11 TO 12 FEET WITHOUT VARIANCE. 11 FEET IS FINE. ON ISB WE HAVE LESS THAN TEN FEET IN SEVERAL PLACES. LANE WIDTH HAS LONG BEEN ABANDONED AS CAPACITY DETERMINATION IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. WE USE SPEEDS NOW. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO SAY HAS TO DO WITH THE USE OF PIONEER TRAIL. THIS PROJECT IS INTENDED TO USE AIRPORT ROAD. IT IS NOT INTENDED TO USE PIONEER TRAIL. TRAFFIC WILL BE ATTRACTED TO IT FROM PIONEER TRAIL. WE DON'T DISPUTE THAT. TRUCKS ARE INTENDED TO STAY ON AIRPORT ROAD AND PIONEER TRAIL TO THE WEST OF AIRPORT ROAD. THAT SECTION WAS DESIGNATED AS THE COUNTY'S PLANNED DRAFT FREIGHT ROUTING PROGRAM. THIS WAS NOT ADOPTED BUT IT WAS SHOWN TO BE PART OF THE FREIGHT PROGRAM FOR MOVEMENT. THOSE ROADS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IMPACTING ARE ROADS IDENTIFIED BY FREIGHT MOVEMENT. I COULD MAKE THAT AVAILABLE TO YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY WE ARE KIND OF DISPUTING THE ISSUE OF IT BEING SUBSTANDARD ROAD. WE ARE DISPUTING ISSUE OF IT BEING A WRONG LOCATION FOR COMMERCIAL. WE ARE A NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL CENTER AND ACCORDING TO THE COUNTY CODE THAT'S 230,100,000 -- 30 TO 100,000 SQUARE FEET PLUS OR MINUS. WE ARE AT 60 I THINK IS THE MAXIMUM. THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS SHOWN TO BE LOCATED OR PREFERRED TO BE LOCATED ACCORDING TO THE COUNTY ORDINANCES AT THE INTERSECTION OF 2 COLLECTORS. THESE ARE ARTERIAL THEREFORE I SUBMIT THAT THIS IS INDEED THE CORRECT PLACE FOR A LOCATION FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD CENTER OF THIS SIZE. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH WHAT I'VE GOT TO SAY EXCEPT FOR ONE LAST THING. THE OPENING OF THE INTERCHANGE

WILL HAVE A MUCH GREATER IMPACT ON PIONEER TRAIL THAN THIS PROJECT WILL HAVE. THIS PROJECT WILL BE A DOT ON THE SCREEN. THE OPENING OF THE INTERCHANGE WILL BE THE MORE MAJOR IMPACT. I JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT. THAT'S GOING TO BE THE BIGGER FUTURE IMPACT OF THIS PIONEER TRAIL AREA. WITH THAT I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU SIR.

LEMKE. WHAT IS YOUR FIRST NAME?

BETH.

BETH?

SORRY. WRITING STANDING UP MAY HAVE BEEN THE PROBLEM.

I THOUGHT IT WAS BOTH.

206 NORTH BEACH STREET, DAYTONA BEACH. I AM A MEMBER OF THE TEAM AS WELL. TO MAKE THAT POINT OF CLARIFICATION, I CANNOT SPEAK IF IT'S COUNCIL'S PLEASURE. I WAS GOING TO MAKE A COUPLE BRIEF POINTS. I CAME UP BASED ON AGAIN JUST A MATTER OF CONFUSION I THINK OF THE PROCESS FOR FOLLOWING TO COMMENT ON A COUPLE THINGS I HEARD AND SOME OTHER STATEMENTS THAT I DIDN'T THINK WERE PART OF THE RECORD.

TIME IS CLICKING.

OKAY. MY TESTIMONY IS IN THE RECORD AS A SUMMARY OF SOME OF THE KEY FACTS OF THE CASE FROM A PLANNING STANDPOINT AS PLANNING EXPERT. CHAPTER 163-3177 SETS UP CLEAR STANDARD FOR TERMINATION OF URBAN SPRAY IF FOUR OF EIGHT INDICATORS ARE MET IT IS NOT URBAN SPRAW STATUTORILY. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT SEVEN OF EIGHT ARE MET UNDER THIS APPLICATION. COUNTY COMP PLAN ESTABLISHES LOCATION AL CRITERIA FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. IT IS MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION AGAIN THAT NINE OF 12 OF THOSE LOCATION AL CRITERIA ARE MET BY THIS APPLICATION AND THAT THE OTHER THREE ARE NOT APPLICABLE. IF THEY HAVE F IT'S UNCERTAIN. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ADDRESS QUESTIONS ON THAT AS THE DISCUSSION GOES ON IF THERE ARE ANY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT. TWO QUICK COMMENTS. HOW DO WE STOP THE NEXT ONE FROM BEING APPROVED? THAT KIND OF COMMENT I HAVE HEARD A LOT. I THINK THAT'S THE REASON YOU HAVE LOCATION AL CRITERIA AND ALL THESE THINGS IN THE PLAN TO MEASURE MERIT OF EACH APPLICATION BEFORE YOU BASED ON THOSE CRITERIA. AND AS POINTED OUT THERE ARE NOT CRITERIA ABOUT SUBSTANDARD ROADS SO AS I SEE IT FROM A PLANNING PERSPECTIVE THAT'S NOT A CRITERIA FOR THE REVIEW OF THIS PLAN. THIS APPLICATION. THE FACT IS THAT IT MEETS LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS, CAPACITY I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU MA'AM. STANLEY GERBER. YOU ARE ALSO PART OF THE TEAM.

I AM PART OF THE TEAM, YES, SIR.

WE HAVE ONE MORE PART OF THE TEAM AND THEN WE HAVE FOUR MORE PEOPLE TO SPEAK.

12051 CORPORATE BOULEVARD ORLANDO FLORIDA. WE ARE THE ECONOMIC CONSULTANT AND WE WERE ASKED TO CONDUCT THE LAND USE NEEDS ANALYSIS TO DETERMINE IF THE COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN ADEQUATELY ACCOMMODATES THE DEMAND FOR RETAIL GROCERY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD MARKET AREA. OUR FINDINGS INDICATE THAT THERE ARE INSUFFICIENT SITES IN THE -- SURROUNDING THE SUBJECT SITE TO ACCOMMODATE RETAIL GROCERY NEEDS. THE STUDY AREA IS UNDER SERVED. THERE IS NO GROCERY STORES WITHIN THREE MILES OF THAT LOCATION. APPROVED RESIDENTIAL GROWTH SUPPORTS DEVELOPMENT OF ADDITIONAL GROCERY STORES. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOES NOT PROVIDE NEEDED SITES AND LAND USE FLEXIBILITY TO SUPPORT THE APPROVED RESIDENTIAL GROWTH IN DEMAND. THERE IS ECONOMIC AND MARKET NEED TO SUPPORT RETAIL GROCERY DEVELOPMENT WITHOUT CREATING EXCESSIVE RETAIL SPACE OVER TIME. FROM AN ECONOMIC AND MARKET PERSPECTIVE IT IS APPROPRIATE TO CHANGE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO ACCOMMODATE NEEDED RETAIL GROCERY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SIR. ROBERT RIDGIO.

22DAGGED CIRCLE. THIS IS ONLY THE SECOND TIME I HAVE APPEARED ON THIS PARTICULAR APPLICATION. I WANT TO THANK YOU ON THE FIRST ONE WHEN YOU CONTINUED IT BECAUSE I WOULD GET TO AN AWARDS BANQUET IN GAINESVILLE THAT AFTERNOON AND I JUST MADE IT. SO IT WORKED OUT NICELY. THE REASON I AM HERE, AS I INDICATED, I WAS THE ATTORNEY IN THE FIRST GO ROUND. I HAD THE DISTINCT PLEASURE OF RECEIVING APPROVALS FROM THIS COUNCIL AT THAT TIME IN 2010 FOR BOTH LAND USE AMENDMENT AND BPUD. THINGS CHANGED AS I UNDERSTAND BUT TWO THINGS HAVE REALLY CHANGED SINCE THAT TIME. THE FIRST IS WHEN WE FIRST APPEARED BEFORE YOU WE REPRESENTED A GROCERY STORE. I KNOW THERE WERE COMMENTS DURING THE COURSE OF THE MEETING ABOUT WELL A GROCERY STORE COULD BE ANYTHING. WELL IN THIS GO ROUND THE GROCERY STORE THAT IS COMING BEFORE YOU IS PUBLICS AND THEY ARE UNDER CONTRACT. WHAT YOU SEE IS WHAT YOU GET. THE SECOND THING I WOULD LIKE TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION, I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN COMMENTS ABOUT THE GROCERY STORE CHANGING THE AREA. AN INTERCHANGE ON 95 CHANGES THE AREA. I HAVE LIVED HERE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. BEFORE THAT I LIVED IN SOUTH FLORIDA IN DADE AND BROWARD COUNTY, WEST KENDALL AND BROWARD, YOU SEE INTERCHANGE GO IN, YOU SEE THE AREA CHANGE. THE DYE IS CAST WITH THE INTERCHANGE. THINGS WILL CHANGE IN THE AREA AND IT WILL BE YOUR JOB TO TRY AND HOLD THINGS IN ARE CONTROL. IF SOUTH FLORIDA IS AN EXAMPLE, IN FACT ANY PART WHETHER JACKSON, TAMPA, THROUGHOUT ORLANDO, THROUGHOUT FLORIDA, YOU WILL SEE CHANGE. THIRDLY, ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO STRESS IS IN MY EXPERIENCE IN DOING LAND USE LAW I HAVE ALWAYS SEEN GROCERY STORES AS A RESULT OF DEVELOPMENT, NOT AS A COST. GROCERY STORE CHAINS TYPICALLY DO A THING CALLED COUNTING ROOF TOPS. THEY LOOK FOR ALL THE EXISTING CUSTOMERS. THEY DON'T WANT FUTURE CUSTOMERS. THEY WANT CURRENT CUSTOMERS. WHEN THEY DO THAT THEN THEY MOVE INTO AN AREA. FOR THAT REASON YOU ARE NOT ENCOURAGING DEVELOPMENT. YOU ARE JUST PROVIDING A PLACE FOR A GROCERY STORE WHICH IS A PART OF THE NECESSITIES OF LIFE. FOR THOSE REASONS I WOULD ASK YOU TO FAVORABLY ACT ON THESE APPLICATIONS. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. JERRY JOHNSON. WE'RE DONE WITH THOSE. GOT THREE MORE TO GO. THIS IS MR. JOHNSON COMING UP NOW.

THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME AND EFFORTS. I HAVE BEEN COMING BEFORE THIS BOARD FOR MORE THAN 35 YEARS, NOT ALWAYS WON BUT I HAVE APPRECIATED --

MAY WE HAVE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

SORRY. 424LUNI BELLA LANE, VENETIAN BAY NEW SMYRNA BEACH.

YOUR NAME?

JERRY JOHNSON. I DO APPRECIATE THE HARD WORK YOU GUYS ALWAYS DO AND YOUR PREDECESSORS AND AT LEAST THE SENSE OF FAIRNESS THAT IS ALWAYS PROVIDED BY THE COUNCIL. THAT'S ALL WE CAN ASK FOR. I DO NOT HAVE ANY FINANCIAL STAKE OR AS THEY SAY "NO DOG IN THIS FIGHT" WHATSOEVER. MY INTEREST IS TO TRY TO PORTRAY THE BEST I CAN WHAT IS TRUTHFUL, WHAT I BELIEVE IS FAIRNESS AND A SAFETY FACTOR, AN ISSUE. JUST TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT, MR. RUSSELL WAS THE REAL ESTATE AGENT THAT SOLD THE JOHNSON GROUP THE PROPERTY. I BELIEVE HE WAS INVOLVED IN THE COMP PLAN ORIGINAL ORIGINALLY WITH ZEBCO AND OUR GROUP DID THE PLANNING OVER A TWO OR THREE YEAR PERIOD. HE DID REPRESENT THE OWNER OF THAT PROPERTY AS THE BROKER. IF THIS IS PASSED ALMOST ANYTHING COMMERCIAL I BELIEVE CAN BE BUILT ON THIS LAND THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. OF COURSE THEY TALKED PUBLICS BECAUSE IT HAS SUCH A GREAT NAME. IS THERE A GUARANTEE THAT THIS WILL BE A PUBLICS? I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY SAY THAT. I DON'T BELIEVE. I AM SURE IF THERE IS A CONTRACT WHICH I BELIEVE THE GENTLEMAN SAID AND I HAVE NO REASON TO DOUBT HIM THAT THE CONTINGENCIES ARE PROBABLY A MILE AND A HALF LONG. I HAVE HEARD MR. RUBEN SAY A NUMBER OF TIMES INCLUDING ON THE RADIO STATION LAST WEEK OR TWO WEEKS AGO THAT IF YOU LIVED IN VENETIAN BAY AND YOU WANTED TO BUY FORT YOUR KIDS YOU HAD A 14-MILE DRIVE ROUND TRIP TO GET THAT MILK. THAT SIMPLY IS NOT TRUE. FROM THE SOUTH GATE ON 44 IT IS 1.5 MINUTES TO THE WALMART SUPER STORE FROM OUR ENTRANCE. THAT'S A THREE MILE ROUND TRIP. LET'S JUST BE TRUTHFUL AND HONEST ABOUT THE FACTS HERE AND NOT JUST SAY THINGS AND THEY'RE NOT TRUE. THE FAIRNESS ISSUE IN VENETIAN, WE SPENT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO PROVIDE ROADS AND DRAINAGE, RETENTION PONDS, WATER, SEWER, ELECTRIC . OF COURSE THE LAKES TO RECLAIM THE WATER, RETENTION PONDS, TO PROVIDE INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. ON THAT PIECE OF LAND THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY THERE IS ONLY, WE WERE ONLY ALLOWED -- ACROSS THE STREET, WE WERE ONLY ALLOWED 10,000 SQUARE FOOT OF COMMERCIAL ON THE VERY PIECE THAT IS ABSOLUTELY DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET. TWO QUICK ISSUES. SAFETY. WE HAVE TWO SCHOOLS. WE'VE GOT ONE. ONE ONE MILE, ONE AND A HALF. THE STREETS ARE NARROW, DEEP DITCHES ON BOTH SIDES. THE STREETS, DELIVERY TRUCKS, SCHOOL BUSES FILLED WITH CHILDREN, THAT'S NOT GOOD. WHO WILL PAY? MR. RUBEN? I DON'T THINK SO. PUBLICS? ABSOLUTELY NOT. TAXPAYERS OF VOLUSIA COUNTY? ABSOLUTELY TRUE. THE LAST POINT IS AT THE INTERSECTION WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS SOUTH ENDING TO PORT ORANGE, WEST ENTRY, NEW SMYRNA BEACH, BEAUTIFUL ENTRY IN VENETIAN AND EAST ENTRANCE INTO THE COMMUNITY. IN MY OPINION THERE SHOULD BE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN PORT ORANGE, NEW SMYRNA BEACH, VOLUSIA COUNTY TOEN SURE THAT THE INTERSECTION PROPERLY DONE AND PAID FOR BY OWNERS OR DEVELOPERS NOT THE TAXPAYERS. LET TRUTH, FAIRNESS AND SAFETY BE THE MOST IMPORTANT FACTORS TODAY. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SIR. WILL JIM MORRIS. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE OUT THERE THAT'S GOT ONE OF THESE IN THEIR POCKET THEY'RE NOT GIVING UP YET.

I AM GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE A FEW MOMENTS BREAK. AFTER THAT WE'LL HAVE MR. HUSSEINY SPEAK.

GOOD AFTERNOON. JIM MORRIS. STREET ADDRESS IS 750 OAK HEIGHTS OCCUR PORT ORANGE FLORIDA. I HAVE A MASTERS IN URBAN PLANNING AND 30 YEARS EXPERIENCE IN LAND USE LAW. I HAVE GREATER EXPERIENCE HERE THAN ANYBODY IN THE SUBJECT MATTER TODAY ABOUT VENETIAN BAY AND EVEN WOOD HAVEN. I HAVE PROVIDED ZONING APPROVALS, WORKED WITH MR. RUSSELL AND THEN WITH MR. JOHNSON. FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF PROMISES OF PUBLICS THERE WAS NEVER PROMISE OF PUBLICS. IT WAS A PROVISION THERE WOULD BE A COMMERCIAL AREA WITHIN VENETIAN BAY. THAT IS THE IMMATERIAL MATTER. WHAT MATTERS IS THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT THAT DOES NOT EXIST. I REPRESENT A GROUP OF RESIDENTS AND FILED THE ADMINISTRATIVE PETITION. MR. RUBEN DID WALK AWAY FROM THE APPROVAL AND DIDN'T GET ANYTHING APPROVED BACK AT THAT TIME. I'VE GOT THREE MINUTES, USED UP 30 SECONDS. MULTIPLY BY SPEAKING TIME THREE TIMES AND ADD ONE MINUTE AND FROM VENETIAN BAY YOU CAN GET TO A GROCERY STORE TODAY, RIGHT NOW. THAT'S THE TIME IT TAKES. TO ASSERT THAT THAT'S AN INCONVENIENCE AND OVERWHELMING IS TO ME ABSURD. I LIVE IN POND, YOU HAPPEN NOT TO MAKE IT TO A STORE IN TEN MINUTES AND IT'S OKAY. WE LIVE THERE AND WE ENJOY IT. AT THE BEGINNING YOU HEARD WHAT YOU WERE DOING. IT'S A LEGISLATIVE DECISION AS TO WHAT YOU DO. PLANNING STAFF RECOMMENDS NO AND IN THEIR OPINION THEY TIE THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO THINGS WITHIN THE PLAN. KELLY McGEE WHO HAS MANY ATTRIBUTES AMONG THEM, A LAW DEGREE AND A LAWYER, MENTIONED THAT IT IS LEGISLATIVE. THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN -- I THINK THERE IS AN EFFORT MADE TO TELL YOU YOU ARE COMPELLED TO APPROVE THIS. YOU ARE NOT. YOU HAVE THE BROADEST POSSIBLE DISCRETION OF DECISION MAKING TO SAY YES OR NO. CLEARLY YOU SHOULD SAY NO. YOU HAVE HEARD FROM PEOPLE WITH COMMON SENSE TELL YOU WHY THEY THINK THIS SHOULDN'T OCCUR AND THEY HAVE LIVED THERE MANY YEARS. YOU HAVE HEARD TESTIMONY FROM A TRAFFIC CONSULTANT AND PLANNING CONSULTANT SAY THERE IS NO CRY TEAR CAMERA TO CONSIDER SUBSTANDARD ROADS. YET YOU WILL CONSIDER TRACTOR TRAILERS ON PIONEER TRAIL AND EFFECT THAT HAS AND ABSENCE OF FUNDING ON PIONEER TRAIL. YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD THIS ISN'T A STRIP SHOPPING CENTER. IT'S NOT. IT'S MORE LIKE A SPOT ZONE. IT'S A CORNER OF UNPLANNED PROPERTY IN JURISDICTION THAT WILL ULTIMATELY BE PORT ORANGE. MAYOR GREEN ASKED ME TO MENTION THAT HIS CITY PORT ORANGE WILL BE FIRST RESPONDERS BECAUSE IT IS WITHIN THEIR DISTRICT AND I THINK HE WAS CLEAR THAT PORT ORANGE DOES NOT SUPPORT THIS REQUEST. YOU HEARD TALK ABOUT TRADER JOE'S AND IF YOU DON'T THINK SO, ASK HIM. HE IS STILL HERE. TRADER JOE'S SANE DRI THAT TOOK CARE OF DEMANDS. EVERYTHING MENTIONED IS SOMETHING THAT ISN'T FREE-STANDING. I WANT TO STAY WITHIN MY THREE MINUTES. I DON'T WANT TO SUBVERT YOUR RULES AND GAIN EXTRA TIME AS I THINK HAS BEEN DONE. YOU SHOULD SAY NO TO THIS REQUEST. THERE IS EVERY GOOD REASON DO SO.

THANK YOU SIR MR. MORRIS.

ANYBODY ELSE? THIS WILL BE OUR LAST SPEAKER. MR. HUSSEINY.

I DON'T NEED 20 MINUTES.

OKAY. WITH THAT I HAVE TO STEP OUT BUT I CAN HEAR YOU IN THE BACK.

MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. FIRST, I JUST CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR ALL YOUR GOOD WORK. YOU SIT HERE FOR HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS. THERE IS NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE TO THANK YOU FOR THE GOOD WORK THAT YOU ALL DO.

CAN WE HAVE YOUR FLAME AND ADDRESS -- NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD.

I WAS SITTING THERE SAYING I BETTER NOT FORGET MY ADDRESS WANTED THE FIRST THING THAT'S WHAT I DO. 2379BEVEL ROAD DAYTONA BEACH.

I WANT TO CONGRATULATE, I REALLY DO, THE ATTORNEY FOR OUR RR FARM. MASTER FULL REALLY. I HAVE DONE THIS 38 YEARS. THIS WAS MASTERFUL GETTING 20 MINUTES AND THEN THERE IS A TEAM AND THEN ADD ON THE TEAM. BUT THAT TOPS IT. I HAVE ALL THE RESPECT FOR MR. RIDGIO. HE STANDS UP AND SAYS I WAS THE ATTORNEY BEFORE. I AM HERE INDIVIDUALLY ONE MORE TIME, ONE MORE ATTORNEY, YOU KNOW, DOING THIS. THAT SAID I KNOW THAT THIS COUNCIL WILL MAKE A GOOD DECISION, WHATEVER DECISION YOU MAKE. IT WILL BE FINE WITH ME. MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL, I DON'T HAVE A TEAM. I HAVE ME. I HAVE 38 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, AND I AM FROM THIS AREA. I STARTED IN PORT ORANGE. THAT'S MY HOMETOWN. THIS IS WHERE I STARTED MY BUSINESS. I AM ONE OF THOSE THAT GREW UP IN THIS COMMUNITY AND GIVE TO THIS COMMUNITY. I NO LONGER GO TO HEARINGS, ZONINGS ALL OVER THE STATE. I DON'T. I LET THE REST HANDLE IT. WHY AM I HERE TODAY? WHAT DO I DO HERE? WHERE IS MY TEAM? I HAVE THEM ALL. I HAVE ATTORNEYS. I HAVE REPRESENTATIVES, TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS. I HAVE ENGINEERS ALL OVER. BUT IF I CAN'T WIN BY MYSELF WITH GOOD REASONING, THEN I SHOULDN'T WIN. I DON'T NEED MY ATTORNEY TO BE HERE. I HAVE IN HOUSE ATTORNEY. BUT I AM HERE TO EXPLAIN TO YOU THIS IS BAD PLANNING. JERRY JOHNSON AND I, WE HAVE 75 YEARS EXPERIENCE. WE DEVELOPED THE MAJORITY OF THE LAND IN THAT AREA. WHAT DO YOU THINK? WE COULD NOT BUY THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY OR THE PROPERTIES THAT WE DEVELOP IN THAT AREA? WHY DIDN'T WE COME UP? HE IS ACROSS THE STREET. I AM NEXT TO IT. WATER'S EDGE ON PIONEER TRAIL. I AM ALSO ON AIRPORT ROAD. I DID BUY LAND FROM FARMERS RIGHT ON AIRPORT ROAD, RIGHT ON AIRPORT ROAD. WHERE IS MY PUBLICS? WHY DID NOT I ASK FOR IT? YOU KNOW WHY? YOU ASKED ME. YOU THE COUNCIL ASKED ME TO DO INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT. GO TO PORT ORANGE. WE WORK FOR THE CITY. THEY SAID NO GROCERY STORE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL MASTER PLANNING. I HAVE A PRESENTATION REAL QUICK.

[CAPTIONERS TRANSITIONING]

HE SAID, LOOK. LOOK. THIS IS JUST -- THIS IS A LITTLE STORE. THIS IS A PUB -- PUB LEVEL. I LIVE IN THAT AREA. THAT GROCERY STORE IS PART OF THE MASTER PLANNING. YOU HAVE DONE THE MASTER PLANNING. THE DEVELOPER SPENT MILLIONS PUTTING THE ROADS THERE. AS YOU SEE THAT, THERE IS NO PUBLIX ON OLD DIXIE HIGHWAY. IT'S ON THE OLD HALIFAX PLAN TAISMGHTS HE FORGET TO TELL YOU THAT. I AGREE WITH THAT. IT TOOK YEARS TO DO MASTER PLANNING. THEN MR. JIM RUSSELL SAYS IT IS A FINE DEVELOPMENT, HE SAID, OF WOOD HAVEN. I JUST DON'T THINK HE'S GOING TO

GET IT GOING IN THE NEAR TERM ANYTIME SOON. WE'VE GOT DAMN NEAR 10,000 RESIDENTS WHO DON'T WANT TO DRIVE UP TO DUNN LAWTON AND DEAL WITH THIS. REALLY? REALLY? GO TO THE NEXT ONE. NEXT ONE. NEXT ONE. RIGHT HERE. LOOK. WE HAVE TURNED IN 100% OF CONSTRUCTION RAN -- PLANS, ENGINEERING. WE ALREADY TURNED IN 80%. THIS IS 100%. CONSTRUCTION BID WAS ADVERTISED APRIL 25th. YOU'RE ASKING FOR CORPS ENGINEER, WATER PERMIT. WE HAVE DONE THIS. CONSTRUCTION BIDS ARE DUE MAY 27th. THEY AWARD THE CONSTRUCTION JUNE OF 2014 AND THE CONSTRUCTION WILL BEGIN IN THE FALL OF 2014. MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS VERY PERSONAL TO ME BECAUSE THIS WAS MY LAST PROJECT IN PORT ORANGE. I HAVE REALLY WORKED MY BUTT OFF FOR A DECADE. YOU KNOW WHY? I WORKED WITH A PLAN. THEY MADE ME AND I WORK WITH THEM. THAT'S WHAT I DO. THIS IS MY HOME. I WORK WITH THEM. THEY SAY WE SIT BACK 30 FEET. I HAD TO SIT BACK A MINIMUM 400 FEET. WILLIAMSON WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO COME THROUGH MY PROPERTY AND I DO NOT WANT WILLIAMSON TO COME THROUGH MY PROPERTY BUT BECAUSE THERE WAS LAND ACROSS THE STREET YOU ASKED ME LET IT GO THROUGH PIONEER TRAIL AND I AGREE. I GAVE MY LAND. I DIDN'T ASK YOU TO PAY FOR IT AND I AM WORKING WITH YOUR STAFF ANY WHICH WAY I CAN. WE HAVE 650,000 SQUARE FEET THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN THERE, 650,000 SQUARE FEET AND THAT'S THE RESULT OF IT. WE WILL HAVE 2100 PERMANENT JOBS, 2100. SO IT'S THE HOUSING. IT'S THE MASTER PLANNING. I AM TOMMING -- FOLLOWING YOUR RULES. I AM FOLLOWING GOOD DEVELOPMENT. I CAN'T TELL YOU. I GET SO EMOTIONAL. I KNOW, ALL THIS STUFF THAT COMES OUT AND THEY SEND OUT BUT THE DECISION IS TODAY. WHATEVER IS GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY, I LIVE WITH IT. I'VE DONE IT FOR 38 YEARS. I WILL LIVE WITH YOUR DECISION. THAT'S OUR JOB. DO YOU FEEL THAT THIS PROJECT IS THE BEST INTEREST OF THE LONG TERM PLANNING OF THIS AREA AND OUR COUNTY? DO YOU FEEL THAT THIS ALIGN WITH THE PURPOSE OF CAREFUL MASTER PLANNING? DO YOU THINK YOU SHOULD SET ASIDE AND IGNORE WHAT PORT ORANGE WANTS FOR THIS AREA? IT'S YOUR CITY. YOUR CITY, YOUR KID IS COMING TO YOU AND SAYS, LOOK, WE NEED TO DO INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT. WE NEED TO BE AT THE TABLE. WE'RE ONE OF YOUR KIDS. PORT ORANGE HAS DONE AN UNBELIEVABLE JOB. LOOK AT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. LOOK WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. I, MYSELF, WE HAVE BEEN AT THIS A LONG TIME. HIM AND I HAVE AGREED AND DISAGREED. TIME AND TIME I HAVE BEEN BEFORE HIM -- TIME AND TIME. YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO HAVE A RESPECT FOR OUR CITY. LOOK, YOU'RE ASKING ME TO HAVE RESPECT. WE'VE GOT TO WORK WITH EACH OTHER. THIS IS OUR COMMUNITY. THIS IS OURS. WE HAVE SPENT AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF TIME. I FLY AROUND. I GO OUT OF TOWN BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY I COME BACK HOME, AND THIS IS HOME. THIS IS HOME FOR ME, AND THE REASON I AM HERE TODAY IS FOR THE GOOD PLANNING OF OUR COMMUNITY, AND I RESPECT YOUR DECISION AND I DON'T EVEN NEED 20 MINUTES, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MR. HUSSEINY. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? WE WILL CLOSE THE CITIZEN COMMENTS SECTION AND WILL NOW GO TO THE COUNCIL CONVERSATION. I'M UP FIRST AND THEN MR. WAGNER, IF I MAY. I'VE HEARD A LOT OF POSITIVES AND FORS AND AGAINST. LET'S JUST SAY IT THAT WAY. I THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE AN EASY DECISION. I LOOKED AT MY EMAILS. I HAD 61 EMAIL BILLIONS THIS ISSUE, SO I HAD TO TAKE OFF SOME BECAUSE THEY WERE DOUBLES. IT CAME UP TO 56. I SAID THIS WILL BE EASY SO I PUT THEM IN YES AND NO FILES. IT CAME DOWN TO 28-28, EVEN SPLIT DOWN THE MIDDLE. NOW I HAVE TO SIT BACK AND THINK, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO. WHAT WOULD BE MY BEST WHAT WOULD I THINK. THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PRO THIS HAVE ACTUALLY RAISED MORE QUESTIONS FOR ME THAN THEY ANSWERED. AS

DEVELOPERS AND AS PLANNERS AND THE PEOPLE, WE'RE THE ONES IN CHARGE OF THE ZONING. ARE WE LOOKING TO THE FUTURE? IS THIS WHAT WE NEED TO DO, AND THE POINT WAS BROUGHT UP IF WE DO THIS PUBLIX, HOW MANY MORE COMMERCIAL ZONES WILL SHOW UP. IS GEORGE GOING TO SELL OUT HIS PROPERTY BECAUSE SOMEONE WILL SAY, HEY, I WILL GIVE YOU $3 MILLION FOR YOUR PROPERTY. THAT WOULD BE HARD TO TURN DOWN. AND YOUR BROTHER IS THE SAME WAY. WOULD WE AND UP WITH MULTIPLE COMMERCIAL ZONES? I'M A BIKER. I LIKE RIDING MY HARLEY. EVERY TIME I GET TO, I DRIVE UP PIONEER TRAIL BECAUSE I AVOID 44. I WILL GO UP PIONEER TRAIL IN A SNOWSTORM IF I HAVE. IT WAS RAINING LIKE HELL ONE TIME. BUT EVEN ON A 1200 POUND MOTORCYCLE, THAT IS ONE TREACHEROUS ROAD. I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MUCH I HATE TRAILERS. I'VE ALMOST BEEN RUN OFF THE ROAD. PIONEER TRAIL IS THE BIGGEST CONTENTION FOR ME THAT'S GOING ON IN THIS AREA. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THIS, SEP POT NICKS. WHO IS GOING TO FIX PIONEER TRAIL. YOU HAVE TO PUT IN INFRASTRUCTURE BEFORE YOU BUILD THE BUILDING. HAVING DONE TRUCK DRIVING IN MY DAY, THE OBJECT IS FROM POINT A TO POINT B BECAUSE YOU MAKE YOUR MONEY BY MILE AND TIME. SO I WILL SHOOT THE SHORTEST ROUTE BECAUSE TIME IS MONEY IN THAT BUSINESS. MY BROTHER WOULD DO IT. I'VE SEEN MY BROTHER TAKE AN 18-WHEELER DOWN A COW TRAIL TO DELIVER SODA OR FOOD PRODUCTS SO I'VE SEEN HIM DO SOME CRAZY STUFF AND I HAVE DO DONE IT. ANOTHER INCIDENT THAT HAS COME UP THAT NOBODY BROUGHT UP, THIS INTERSECTION LIGHT, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED A TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE AND THOSE ANTED CHEAP -- AIN'T CHEAP. THAT'S 100 K. WE HAVE TO PUT IN THE POWER AND MAINTAIN. YOU HAVE TO WIDEN ROADS AND MAKE IT WORK. SO, WITH ALL THAT, I'M STILL NOT CONVINCED THAT THIS IS A GOOD FAMILIAR, THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT WAY TO GO. SO, MR. WAGNER?

I HAVE A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS. THE CONCERN IS IF THIS THING WERE TO FAIL. YOU SAID THIS BUT I DON'T WANT IT TO COME BACK BECAUSE OF A TECHNICALITY. YOU SAID THEY WOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO REBUTTAL. I DON'T WANT THIS TO COME BACK AS COURT ACTION IN ADMINISTRATOR RULE -- ADMINISTRATIVE RULE. YOU'RE THE CLAIRE BUT YOU SAID IT EARLIER. I DON'T WANT IT TO COME BACK ON A TECHNICALITY. THIS WILL BE MY THIRD TIME VOTING ON THIS. I WOULD PREFER IT TO BE THE NEXT COUNCIL WHEN I'M DONE.

ACTUALLY, THE REBUTTAL REMARK -- YOU HAVE A 5-MINUTE REBUTLE -- REBUTTAL.

I ALREADY SHOWED IT ACROSS THE STREET IN TERMS OF HONESTY. THAT USE IS LIMITED TO ONLY THE GROCERY STORE. SO WHAT WE'VE PROVIDED TO YOU TAKES YOU SEAMLESSLY THROUGH THE PROCESS TO GET YOU EXACTLY WHERE WE'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO GO AND YOU HAVE THE CHANCE TO SAY NO, AND YOU ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO RELY ON YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO SAY NO. AREAS AT THE INTERSECTION, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT. YOUR STAFF, JANUARY 2013 IT BROUGHT A SET OF PLANS TO MODIFY THE REGULATIONS TO EXACTLY ADDRESS THIS ISSUE, TO NOT HAVE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS SPRAWL ALONG ROADWAYS. IT WAS PULLED THE NIGHT BEFORE. I'VE ASKED REPEATEDLY OVER THE LAST YEAR WHAT HAPPENED TO IT. THAT WAS ACTUALLY VERY GOOD LANGUAGE. THE INTERCHANGE WAS APPROVED. VENETIAN BAY I TALKED B MAJOR MODIFICATIONS. WOOD HAVEN HAD AN APPROVAL LAST FALL WHERE THEY MADE MODIFICATIONS. WHERE WAS THIS DISCUSSION OF ALL WORKING TOGETHER. WE'RE TO BELIEVE THIS SITE, THE BANE OF EVERYONE'S EXISTENCE, NOW IS THE TIME TO JOIN HANDS. IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE FACTS SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FACTS. THE LAST THING I WANT TO MENTION IS THIS

PROJECT AND ANOTHER ONE I SHOWED, I SHOWED THESE PROJECTS AT THE PLDRC FOR ONE REASON TO SHOW THAT THESE PROJECTS -- PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE THERE ARE SHOPPING CENTERS SURROUNDING THAT AREA. IT'S NOT THE FACTS. 15 YEARS AGO IT WAS BIT. THIS IS THE ROAD 15 YEARS LATER. CARS AREN'T CRASHING INTO EACH OTHER. 15 YORES AFTER IT WAS -- YEARS AFTER IT WAS BUILT. THIS IS A SINGLE PUBLIX WITH A SINGLE BANKOUT PARCEL. THOSE ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES NEXT DOOR TO THAT. I'VE WALKED IT. I'VE WALKED IT MONTHS AND MONTHS AGO AS WE WERE PLANNING THIS PROCESS AND -- THERE ARE A LOT OF PASSIONATE PEOPLE. WE WENT THROUGH ALL THE DETAILS TO MAKE THIS RIGHT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU, JAMES. CAN YOU ASK YOUR CLIENT IF HE CAN VERIFY IF HE WROTE THE EMAIL.

SURE.

THE SIGNATURE IS PRINTED ON THE NEXT PAGE. CAN I HAVE IT BACK?

OH, SURE.

APPRECIATE IT. I APPRECIATE YOUR PASSION. I THINK YOU'RE A GREAT ATTORNEY. I DO. THE ONE THING -- THERE'S SOME PARTS I HAVE SOME CONCERNS ON. YOU SAID YOU WERE WALKING THE AREAS PLANNING. WHEN DID IT COME INTO PLEA FOR PORT ORANGE?

WE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH PORT ORANGE. THIS IS IN THE PLDRC. WE HAD A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS WITH THEIR ELECTED OFFICIALS. WAYNE CLARK, THEIR MANAGER AS WELL AND THE REALITY WAS WE ALL CAME DOWN TO THE POLITICS OF THE SITUATION THAT AS FAR AS THE COUNCIL ISSUE, IT WAS PROBABLY GOING TO BE A CLOSE ISSUE AND WE WENT -- IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH WAYNE CLARK, THE PLANNING PROCESS THAT STARTED IN 2010, SOON AFTER THE WITHDRAWAL, THE FIRST THING THAT HAPPENED, IT WAS PORT ORANGE. THEN, APPARENTLY EITHER VOLUSIA COUNTY OR PORT ORANGE SAID THERE'S AN AGREEMENT THAT NEW SMYRNA BEACH IS WHERE THEY ARE. AT THAT POINT THE REAL QUESTION BECAME ONE OF DENSITY FOR RESIDENTIAL IN THAT AREA. PORT ORANGE HAS WANTED HIGHER DENSITY. THE COUNTY WANTED INCREASED TAX BASE. THE REALITY WAS THAT CORNER, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLAN, THEY WANT MORE COMMERCIAL. THERE WAS A REQUEST AT SOUTH WILLIAMSON LAST FALL TO REMOVE COMMERCIAL FROM A NOTE UP THERE AND IT WAS DENIED BECAUSE -- AND THEY CITED THE PROVISION THAT SAID WE COO HAVE THE BALANCE WE WANT FOR NONRESIDENTIAL VERSUS RESIDENTIAL. WE WANT COMMERCIAL AND IT ALLOWS FOR VEHICLE MILES TRAVEL TO BE REDUCED AND COMMERCIAL THAT'S EXISTING INTERSECTIONS SO WE DON'T HAVE IT SPRAWLING OUT. WE HAVE IT AT CORNERS.

YOU WENT TOP SMYRNA. BUT WHY NOT AN ENT LOCAL. WHY NOT SIT DOWN WITH TRUE PLANNING. WHY NOT MASTER PLAN RATHER THAN THIS POLITICAL BATTLE THAT IT'S BECOME?

WELL, THE CONCERN IS NA WOULD SIMPLY BE A MAGNIFIED POLITICAL PROCESS IF NOTHING ELSE.

BUT IT WOULD BE CONSISTENT WITH ALL THE OTHER PROJECTS. TRADER JOES, ALL THESE THINGS RATHER THAN WAITING FOR ANOTHER ELECTION.

THE COMMENT WE'VE HAD ON THAT IS WHY NOW. THERE HAVE BEEN COUNTY POSITION CHALLENGES ON THE INTERCHANGE. WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS AMENDMENTS COVERING HUNDREDS, IF NOT THOUSANDS OF ACRES INVOLVING BOTH VENETIAN BAY AND WOOD HAVEN. AS MR. McGUINESS MENTIONED THERE'S A PROVISION BETWEEN VOWS CROAK AND THE WEST SIDE OF AIRPORT ROAD. NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE SINCE 2012. WE LOOK AT ALL THOSE THINGS. IF ALL THESE THINGS HAVEN'T RESULTED IN A DISCUSSION OF PIONEER TRAIL AND AIRPORT, WHY WOULD NOW BE THE SAME AND WHY, WHEN THIS AREA, 9.3 ACRES, WE HAVE AN END USER, WE HAVE A BUILT-IN PROCESS THAT WE BELIEVE WE CAN GO THROUGH SEAMLESSLY THAT ENSURES THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT'S BUILT. THE TREE PRESERVATION IS THERE, ALL THE OTHER THINGS AND AT THE END OF THE ROAD IS THE SECOND LARGEST PRIVATE EMPLOYER AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS. SO THAT'S BEEN MY CONCERN, WHY WOULD IT BE NOW. WE'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR A YEAR AND HAD THESE TYPES OF CONVERSATIONS BUT IT HASN'T BEEN SUGGESTED WE'LL STEP BACK AND DO A JOINT PLANNING AGREEMENT. WELL, LET'S MOVE FORWARD. THAT'S HOW WE'VE SEEN IT OVER THE PAST 9, 10 MONTHS.

THANKS. THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS. I GUESS MY CONCERN, COUNCIL, THIS WOULD BE MY THIRD TIME. JUST SOME OF THE THINGS FOR THE RECORD, SOME OF THESE EMAILS HAVE BEEN SECKENNING AND A LOT OF YOU PROBABLY AREN'T PRIVY TO THEM. I GET ACCUSED OF A LOT OF THINGS BUT IT DOESN'T STOP ME FROM STANDING UP FOR MI SELF-AND PEOPLE OR GETTING A BAD WRAP AND WHY WE DO THINGS. ONE OF THE THINGS I ASKED FOR VER CATION, I THINK THE PERSON WHO WROTE IT -- AND IT WAS WREN BY THE OWN ARE OF THIS PROPERTY. I THINK HE DOESN'T KNOW THE HISTORY IN CERTAIN ITEMS. WHEN THIS ITEM FIRST CAME TO ME AS A COUNCIL MEMBER WHEN I WAS FIRST ELECTED, MY OPPONENT WAS SIGNIFICANTLY ENDORSED BY HUSSEINY AND I DIDN'T KNOW MORRIE. MORRIE NEVER KNEW ME. THIS PROJECT CAME UP. IF I WAS SUCH A -- IF THIS EMAIL MAKES IT SEEM IF I WAS SUCH A SCUM BAG AND WENT WITH WHOEVER GAVE MONEY, THEN I WOULD STICK IT TO HIM. YOU DON'T VOTE ON WHO DAVE YOU MONEY. THE PEOPLE WHO BLAME YOU OR SAY THEY'RE VOTING JUST ON MONEY ARE PEOPLE WHO THINK THAT'S HOW THE PROCESS WORKS AND THAT'S SICK. THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS. WHEN YOU READ THIS EMAIL, TO ACCUSE PEOPLE OF THAT, IT'S JUST WRONG. IT'S NOT RIGHT. YOU DON'T EXPECT IT FROM PEOPLE YOU THINK SHOULD UNDERSTAND BETTER AND DON'T GET STUCK IN THAT HYPE. AND, FURTHER, TO SLANDER SOMEONE WHO, MY OPINION, A HOMETOWN HERO WHO CAME FROM NOTHING WHO BELT THIS COMMUNITY, I THINK IN THE PROPER WAY AS FAR AS PLANNING, WHO GIVES BACK TO THE COMMUNITY, WHO GIVES BACK TO THE STATE, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF THAT IN OUR COMMUNITY. OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS, IT'S BEEN YEARS SINCE WE HAD THE HOUSE SPEAKER TO BE SOMEONE FROM VOLUSIA COUNTY. IT'S BEEN YEARS SINCE WE HAD THAT TYPE OF LEADERSHIP. SO FOR SOMEONE TO COME IN AND JUST BLAST THAT PERSON TO ALL THE CITIZENS FOR SLANDEROUS REASONS BECAUSE THEY WANT THE PROJECT TO PASS IS WRONG. I'M NOT ASKING FOR ANY COMMENT. I THINK IT'S SOMEONE SAYING THINGS THAT ARE INAPPROPRIATE AND PUN FAIR TO INDIVIDUALS IN HOUR COMMUNITY AND I THINK IT'S SAD. I DON'T WANT ANY RESPONSES. THERE'S IN REASON TO RESPOND THE E MAIL STANDS FOR ITSELF. THIS WILL GO ON THE RECORD. IT WILL BE ATTACHED AND I WILL ASK FOR IT TO BE THERE. SO THE OTHER PART IS AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, IT WANT A YEAR AGO THAT I VOTED TO SUPPORT ONE OF THE PROJECTS RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD, A PROJECT WHERE HE MADE A LOT OF MONEY, A PROJECT THAT ADVANCED SOMETHING HE HAD AN INVESTMENT. I'M NOT PLAYING POLITICS HERE. HE HAD SOMETHING PASS. WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, THE REALITY, THE ONLY REASON

THIS HAS BECOME POLITICAL IS THE ALLY CAN'T -- ALLY -- APPLICANT HAS MADE IT. I KNOW THIS AREA WELL. IT'S ON THE SEAT OF MY PANTS AS WELL. I WENT TO SCHOOL WITH YOUR NIECE. WE WENT TO SAM SULA TOGETHER. I WILL NOT SAY ON THE RECORD WHAT WE DID OUT THERE. WE'LL GET IN TROUBLE. THE POINT SI KNOW THE AREA. PIONEER TRAIL, THE ROAD. I'VE GOTTEN ON -- IN A CAR ACCIDENT ON THAT ROAD. I HAVE PULLED SOMEONE OUT OF THE DITCH. YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH A LOT OF THINGS BEING A KID GROWING UP THERE BUT UNLESS YOU PLAN REPUBLICAN PERLY YOU -- PROPERLY, YOU DON'T DO IT. MORE PLANNING TO ME IS NOT WEIGHTING UNTIL THE LAST ELECTION. THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD PROBABLY CHECK MY MIND ON, AFTER HEARING EVERYBODY AND THE COMMENTS, IT SHOULD STAY FLAT-OUT. I DON'T SEE CHANGING MY MIND IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS. MAYBE THE NEXT DISTRICT REPRESENTATIVE WILL BE THERE BUT IT'S IN THE ME. I DON'T ANY REASON TO CHANGE IT. THAT'S IT.

ALL RIGHT. MESS NORTH -- MS. NORTHEY.

REMIND ME WHEN WE DID THE SAM SULA PLAN, WAS IT NOT BECAUSE PORT ORANGE WAS LOOKING AT THAT AS A SERVICE AREA, WHICH WOULD BE TO ANNEXATION, THAT THAT'S WHY WE USED AIRPORT ROAD OR WAS IT JUST ASH TEMPORARY -- ARBITRARY.

PIONEER TRAIL WAS THE UNOFFICIAL LINE BETWEEN NEW SMYRNA AND PORT ORANGE. THEY ARE GOING TO PLAN EVERYTHING SOUTH OF PIONEER TRAIL OUT TO 415 AND EVERYTHING NORTH WE WERE TO WORK WITH PORT ORANGE.

OKAY. I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE WAY I REMEMBERED IT. I DO WANT TO, FIRST OF ALL, APOLL GEEZ. WE GOT SOME LAST-MINUTE EMAILS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS. YESTERDAY I HAD A PRETTY BUSY DAY WITH SUN REAL AND MY MOTHER WAS CELEBRATING HER 93rd BIRTHDAY AND WNTD ON A MOAT SEEK RIDE AND GOT SOAKING WET IN THE RAIN, SO WE HAD TO SAVE HER, SO I HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THE EMAILS OR TELEPHONE CALLS, SO I APOLOGIZE. YOU WANT ME TO DISCLOSE WHO WE TALKED TO, NOT ON THIS ONE? OKAY. LET ME SAY THIS. I WAS SIMILARLY OFFENDED BY THE EMAIL. I SUPPOSE IT AS THE SAME ONE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, MR. WAGNER THAT TALKS ABOUT SWAYING A MAJORITY OF ELECTED OFFICIALS. I THINK WE ALL GOT IT. IT'S A PUBLIC RECORD AND IT WAS VERY DISHARTENNING TO READ IT. I'VE BEEN DOING THIS A LONG TIME AND I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE UGLIEST EMAILS I READ ON THIS KIND OF AN ISSUE EVER AND THE ASSUMPTIONS HAD WERE MADE ABOUT MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL WERE VIAL -- VILE. THE ASSUMPTIONS MADE ABOUT A RESIDENT, CONSTITUENT, IT WAS VILE. THAT'S NOT WHY I OPPOSED THE PLAN. I'VE ALWAYS OPPOSED THE PLAN. I WILL BE CONSISTENT WITH MY POSITION DESPITE ALL THE COMMENTS, THIS IS MALL PLANNING AND I HAVE CONSISTENTLY VOTED AGAINST THIS KIND OF PLANNING. I DID IT WHEN THEY WANTED TO PUT A DOLLAR GENERAL IN THERE. THE TRAFFIC CONCERNS, I APPRECIATE THE ATTORNEY FOR THE APPLICANTS, THOSE PHOTOS, JAMES, I APPRECIATE THAT. HOWEVER, THEY DON'T HAVE DITCHES, MAYBE 10, 12-FOOT DEEP AND I'VE DRIVEN PIONEER TRAIL SEVERAL TIMES IN THE EVENING. IT'S NOT A GOOD ROAD TO DRIVE ON IN A SMALL CAR, SMALL VEHICLE. I CAN ONLY IMAGINE WITHOUT IT BEING IMPROVED, WHAT IT WOULD BE WITH LARGE DELIVERY TRUCKS. I KNOW PUBLIX STOOD UP AND SAID THEY HAVE A CONTRACT. THAT COMMERCIAL ZONING DOES NOT CONFER A PUBLIX. IT JUST CONFERS A COMMERCIAL ZONING. MOSTLY THOUGH, I THINK THE PORT ORANGE OBJECTIONS ARE CRITICAL TO THIS DISCUSSION. WE HAVE WORKED HARD WITH OUR CITIES IN TRYING TO DEVELOP

STANDARDS. WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO DO GATEWAY STANDARDS BY A NUMBER OF THE CITIES. THIS WOULD BE A GATEWAY TO PORT ORANGE AND THEY'RE OBJECTING TO IT. I THINK THAT OX OVERREADS NEW SMYRNA'S CONSIDERATION. I DON'T KNOW WHERE MR. RUSSELL IS. WAS A 6-1 VOTE. I'M TRYING TO PROTECT THE CORE OF THE COUNTY. IT WON'T ENJOY MY SUPPORT AND I DON'T KNOW, MR. CHAIRMAN, WHETHER YOU WANT A MOTION OR THE DISTRICT MEMBER WANTS TO WEIGH IN FIRST OR HOW YOU WANT TO DO THAT.

THAT WOULD BE RIGHT AFTER MR. CUSACK. YOU HAVE THE FLARP LAND MR. MS. DENYS.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY. I TRULY BELIEVE IN GOVERNMENT BY THE PEOPLE AND I'M SURE MY COLLEAGUES FEEL THE SAME WAY. I WAS NOT A PART OF THIS COUNCIL WHEN THIS CAME BEFORE YOU IN THE PAST. SO THIS IS MY FIRST RUN AT IT AND I'VE READ EVERYTHING THAT'S AVAILABLE FROM THE TIME IT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE THE COUNCIL IN 2010 AND EVERYTHING WE HAVE HAD SINCE THAT TIME. I'D LIKE FOR -- AND IF BEEN REALLY IMPRESSED WITH THE DEBATE AND DISCUSSION. THE TESTIMONY HAS BEEN GREAT. BOTH SIDES HAVE PRESENTED. MR. RUBIN, I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOUR LETTER. SIMPLY BECAUSE I THINK AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, YOU DO THE VERY BEST YOU CAN WITH THE TOOLS THAT YOU'RE GIVEN AND I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH FOLKS QUESTION MY INTEGRITY. I CAME TO THIS PROCESS EIGHT YEARS IN THE LEGISLATURE AND ONE TERM ON THIS COUNCIL, AND MY WORK HAS -- WORD HAS ALWAYS BEEN MY BOND. I DON'T PLAY GAMES. I DON'T HAVE A DOG IN THIS TIME OF THE I LIVE IN THE LAND WITH THE PUBLIX RECEIPT DOWN THE STREET FROM ME. HOWEVER, I HAVE CITIZENS THAT I REPRESENT AS AN ELECTED AT LARGE MEMBER THAT WANT TO HAVE A PUBLIX IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. MR. HIEWP SEENY, I'M IMPRESSED. I'VE HERD MANY IN THE FLORIDAINGS DIDTOR. YOU'VE DONE WELL AND I ADMIRE THE WAY YOU DELIVERED YOUR CLOSING REMARKS, MOST IMPRESSCY. ALMOST MADE ME CHANGE MY MIND. HOWEVER, I THINK THAT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT AIRPORT ROAD AND PIONEER TRAIL AND 44, I DREW UP -- BY THE WAY, I GREW UP IN VOLUSIA COUNTY, NEW CERTAIN NA AND TRAVELED TO THE LAND MANY TIMES. I KNOW THE AREA. I ISN'T SOME TIME ON TUESDAY OUT THERE LOOKING AT THE SITE AND KIND OF WALKING ALONG AND TRYING TO GET SOME SENSE AS TO WITH WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. I PERSONALLY THINK IT'S A GOOD LOCATION, AND I WROTE FROM SPRUCE CREEK FLY IN DOWN AIRPORT ROAD AND VENETIAN BAY, ALL IN THAT AREA, ALL THE WAY UP TO WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT INTERCHANGE UP ON WEAVER AND 95. SO I HAVE DONE THE HOMEWORK AND THERE'S DISCREPANCIES IN THE PLAN FROM 2010 AND WHAT WE HAVE NOW. NOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT ALL HAS CHANGED BUT I'M CLEARLY CONVINCED THAT EVERY MEMBER OF THE COUNCIL WILL DO WHAT IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF WHAT THEY THINK AND WHAT THEY PERCEIVE AS BEING THE TRUTH AND HOW WE NEED TO PROCEED IN THIS MATTER. I'M GOING TO VOTE YES FOR THIS. I BELIEVE THAT SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TOP STAND BY YOURSELF. IF YOU ARE CONVINCED THAT THIS IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE THAT YOU REPRESENT, THEN YOU GO ALONG. I'VE DONE IT BEFORE. AS A LEGISLATIONTOR AND I'VE DONE IT AS A COUNCIL MEMBER BECAUSE ALL OF YOU MEAN LOT TO ME. I WANT US TO DEVELOP SENSE BLIP AND GOOD COMP PLANS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DO WITH WE CAN TO EMPLOY PEOPLE IN THIS AREA. 2100 JOBS IS A WHOLE LOT MORE JOBS THAN THE 110, BUT 110 JOBS IS 110 JOBS THAT WILL HELP TAKE CARE OF FAMILIES, TOO, AND THEY'RE READY TO MOVE ON THAT, SO I SAY TO BOTH SIDES TODAY THERE ARE NO LOSERS. THE CITIZENS, IN MY OPINION ARE JUST THE WINNERS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

THANK YOU. MISS DENYS.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. JOSH, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR OPENING COMMENTS BECAUSE WHAT SHOULD BE A POLICY ISSUE HAS BEEN FRAMED PERSONAL AND POLITICAL AND THAT PUTS A PALE ON THE ENTIRE PROCESS AND PUTS BOTH SIDES AT QUESTION AND THAT'S AN INJUSTICE, NOT JUST TO US BUT AN INJUSTICE TO THE CITIZENS OF VOLUSIA COUNTY WITH SOME OF THEIR CONCLUSIONS. I'VE SEEN THEIR E MALES. I'VE HEARD WHAT'S OUT THERE. MY VERY FIRST MEETING AFTER THE ELECTION WAS WITH MR. RUBIN BEFORE I EVEN TOOK OFFICE IN JANUARY. HE REQUESTED A MEETING. I GRANTED THE MEETING. I WAS SO GREEN AT THIS I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT DO. I CALLED STAFF AND SAID WHAT DO I DO. I DON'T HAVE AN OFFICE. HOW DO I HANDLE THIS. I SAID HELP ME WITH THIS. I'M OBVIOUSLY THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBER. I HAVE A CONSTITUENT WHO HAS A REQUEST. I WILL MEET WITH HIM AND I DID. IT WASN'T JUST HIM. THE ROOM WAS FULL AND I REMEMBER SITTING THERE AT THE TABLE GOING, OKAY. I SEE THE POSTURE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ISSUE IS BUT I SEE THE POSTURE AND AT THAT MEETING MY CONCERN AND MY COMMENT AT THAT POINT IS THE SAME THAT IT'S GOING TO BE TODAY. MY CONCERN THEN WAS JUST WITH THE LITTLE THAT I KNEW, WAS INGRESS AND EGRESS ON PIONEER TRAIL. THAT HAS NOT CHANGED. MR. RUSSELL EVERYONE WE HAVE TALKED TO THAT HAS BEEN THE CONCERN FROM DAY ONE. THAT HAS IN THE CHANGED AND I AM NOT CONVINCED THAT HAS BEEN ANSWERED. THE OTHER DISSERVICE IS THIS IS NOT ABOUT A PUBLIX. THIS COUNCIL WILL NOT DETERMINE THE END USER. THIS IS A LAND USE ISSUE. IT'S IN THE JUST A LAND USE CHANGE QUESTION, THIS IS AN INTENSE LAND USE CHANGE. WHATEVER THIS COUNCIL DOES, LET'S SAY FOR WHATEVER REASON THIS COUNCIL APPROVES THE CHANGE TO COMMERCIAL ZONING, THERE IS -- WE DON'T DETERMINE PUBLIX. THAT WILL BE BETWEEN THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY AND WHOEVER HE SIGN HAS CONTRACT WITH. THERE IS NOTHING LEGALLY THAT THIS COUNCIL SHOULD DO NOR SHOULD WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. THIS IS NOT ABOUT PUBLIX. THIS IS NOT ABOUT PUBLIX. THIS IS A LAND USE CHANGE -- PLAIN AND SIMPLE. NOW PIONEER TRAIL, KELLY, HELP ME WITH THIS. HOW WIDE IS MINE NEAR TRAIL -- PIONEER TRAIL, 20, 22 FEET AT THE MOST?

WE HAVE DIFFERENT ROAD SEGMENTS. AS MENTIONED BEFORE IN OUR TRAFFIC STAFF REPORT IT IDENTIFIES EACH SEGMENT. SOME SEGMENTS ARE 9.6. MR. LASTER WAS CORRECT THAT THE STATE STANDARD IS 11. THE COUNTY CODE IS 12.

SO IT'S SUBSTANDARD TO BEGIN WITH.

YES.

PIONEER TRAIL IS SUBSTANDARD TODAY WITHOUT ANY MORE COMMERCIAL EXPANSION. WE KNOW THERE ARE DITCHES ON IT. LET'S SAY YOU WANT TO FILL OUR CHAMBERS UP. I'LL TELL YOU HOW TO FILL OUR CHAMBERS UP. IF WE AGREE TO A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND COMMERCIAL TRUCKS COME OFF 95 AND HIT 44 AND CUT THROUGH VENETIAN BAY THAT WILL BE THE SHORTEST DISTANCE. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TRUCKS AND COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THROUGH VENETIAN BAY AND THEN LET'S SLAY IT GETS SUPPORTED. WE'RE GOING TO NEED INGRESS AND EGRESS. WHERE ARE WE GOING TO GET THE LAND? WILL IT BE EMINENT DOE -- EMINENT DOMAIN. JOSH WAS TALKING ABOUT A PLANNING AGREEMENT THESE ARE REAL PLANNING CONCERNS THAT WILL HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED. I LOOKED AT THE

MAPS IN HALIFAX PLANTATION AND UP IN A1A, BUT WHAT WASN'T POINTED OUT IS THOSE TWO LANE ROADS HAD A MEDIAN AND THEY HAD A SHOULDER. BOTH OF THEM HAD SHOULDERS AND THEY BOTH HAD A MEDIAN. PIONEER STRAIL A TWO LANE ROAD. NO MEDIAN, NO SHOULDER, 12 TO 14-FOOT DITCH ON EACH SIDE. THE INFRASTRUCTURE REQUIREMENT -- SEE, THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT THIS PARCEL. WE WILL MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THIS PARCEL BUT IT WILL IMPACT THE ENTIRE COUNTY AND HOW WE GO FORWARD WITH ZONING. THIS IS A BIG SERIOUS ISSUE THAT TAKES TIME AND TAKES PLANNING. I WANTED TO ASK -- LET ME GET MY THOUGHTS HERE JUST A MINUTE. AND IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP TIME AND TIME AGAIN IN CONVERSATIONS THAT I'VE HAD AND YET AGAIN WITH THE ONE AT TRADER JOE'S. INGREPS AND EGRESS ALREADY EXISTS IN THOSE PARCELS WITH INFRASTRUCTURE. I HEARD IT TALK ABOUT BUILDING SETBACKS, WHETHER IT'S 20-FOOT OR 400 FEET. THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE FOR ME BECAUSE MY CONCERN IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE INGRESS AND EGRESS. EVEN IF YOU HAD 100-FOOT SETBACK, YOU STILL WOULD NOT HAVE SOLVED THE INGREASE AND EGRESS -- INGREPS AND EGRESS. TREES, THAT'S IN THE IMPACT THAT WE AS A COUNCIL WILL HAVE TO ADDRESS AND IT WILL HAVE TO HAPPEN. THE CITY OF PORT ORANGE HAS SAID NO. I AGREE WITH YOU, JOSH. I'D LIKE TO SEE THEM COME TO A JOINT PLANNING AGREEMENT. I'M GOING TO VOTE NO AND I'M GOING TO VOTE NO BECAUSE OF MY -- STILL MY ORIGINAL CONCERN OF INGRESS AND EGRESS THAT I'M ON THE RECORD HAS NOT CHANGED AND I WILL BE LOOKING FOR IN THE PROJECT AND AS A REPRESENTATIVE, NOT JUST OF DISTRICT 3 BUT ALL OF VOLUSIA COUNTY, THIS IS A LAND USE ISSUE AND THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY ON. THAT THANK YOU.

POLICE DENYS WOULD YOU CARE TO MAKE A MOTION. [ CAPTIONER TRANSITIONING ]

HE WAS A STRONG SUPPORTER OF MINE BACK DID YOU RECOLLECT THE ELECTION AND I DO APPRECIATE HIS SUPPORT. BUT YOU KNOW SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE COUNTY COUNCIL, WE HAVE HAD DISCUSSIONS ON VARIOUS ISSUES, AND I HAVE VOTED AT LEAST TWICE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF MR. HUSANI, HE WAS A GENTLEMEN AT BOTH TIMES. WE'RE STILL FRIENDS.

I THINK THERE'S A LOT GOING ON AROUND HERE. AND I HAVE SOMEBODY STANDS UP AND SAY THIS IS WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS, AND I'M GETTING MIXED REVIEWS OF WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS HERE. I JUST KNOW THAT IF YOU WERE TO COME OVER TO WHERE I LIVE ON LAKE CHARLES AND GO OUT AND SIT THERE, RIGHT THERE WHERE THE LAKE GOES OUT ON TO STATE ROAD 44, AND WATCH THE TRAFFIC EVERY DAY, AND IF YOU WERE IN THE BAY AND SAY BOY, THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO BE HAPPENING AS THAT TRAFFIC COMES THROUGH THERE BECAUSE I GUARANTEE YOU, I SAID OUT THERE IT IS UNBELIEVABLE, AND I'M TRYING TO WORK TO GET THAT ISSUE RESOLVED, SOMEHOW, BECAUSE THERE'S ABOUT 35,000 CARS THAT COME OFF OF A FOUR LANE ROAD DOWN TO TWO-LANE ROAD. AND IT IS INSANE, IT IS EVERY MORNING, AND EVERY NOONTIME AND EVERY EVENING IF YOU, THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE LEAVING HERE IN A LITTLE BIT. I WOULD SUGGEST YOU MAY GO OUT 92, I WOULDN'T GO OUT THERE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE YOU'D BE BACKED UP AND I'M TALKING CLEAR TO AROUND THE CURB THERE. THERE'S ONE THING I LOOK AT WITH WHAT'S GOING ON. , I GUESS IF THERE WAS NOTHING ELSE IN THE WORLD, THIS MIGHT WORK, THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE, WHEN HE GOT UP THERE AND TALKED ABOUT WHAT HIS PROJECT WAS, THAT IS SOMETHING. THIS IS SOMETHING THE COMMUNITY SHOULD BE

PROUD OF, I REALLY, THAT'S WHY I MADE MOST SECOND THE MOTION TO DENY THIS. I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD, AND THIS IS IT. WILL IT COME BACK? I HOPE NO, I REALLY DON'T, I MEAN, I JUST DON'T SEE ANYTHING REALLY GOOD TO DISAPPROVE WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN AND WHAT THE ACTUAL RESIDENTS OF THE BAY, VENETIAN BAY AND AROUND THERE WOULD HAVE IN THE FUTURE. I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD BE HAPPY WITH IT, THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. I SEE NO FURTHER COMMENTS.

MOVE THE PRIEST QUESTION.

I WAS JUST GOING THERE. I WAS JUST GOING TO CALL IT. OKAY, MAKING SURE. ALL RIGHT, THE QUESTION, OKAY, IT IS A MOTION FOR DENIAL. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SIGNIFY BY AYE. MOTION HAS BEEN DENIED.

THANK YOU.

MISS CUSAK WAS THE LONE THOUGH. WITH THAT ITEM I GUESS ITEM 25 --

CAN WE TAKE A BIT OF A BREAK, WILL THEY CLEAR THE CHAMBERS? COULD WE JUST TAKE A BIT OF A BREAK?

WHAT, MA'AM?

FIVE MINUTE BREAK WHILE THEY CLEAR CHAMBERS.

WE WILL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS WHILE CHAMBERS ARE CLEARED.

I MUST MAKE A NOMINATION FOR LAUREN J. KELLY JUNIOR TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD.

NO, THAT'S MY APPOINTMENT TO SEEK THAT, YOU'VE GOT THE WRONG APPOINTMENT.

WHAT IS ON THE AGENDA?

OH. SAYING COUNTY.

YEAH, I GOT CHAMBER, WHERE'D I GET THIS? I THOUGHT THIS WAS IT.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS ASKED TO SPEAK.

MEL CHAPEN.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION?

YES, I'M NOMINATED L. WILLIAM CHAPEN. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT --

WE HAVE A MOTION FOR MR. L. WILLIAM CHAPEN FOR THE APPOINTMENT TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION BOARD.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, THAT'S ALL.

ANY OBJECTION TO THE MOTION? WITHOUT OBJECTION, THE MOTION IS APPROVED, THANK YOU.

HAMMER BACK?

HE DOESN'T WANT THE HAMMER TODAY FOR SOME REASON.

KNOW LIKE THE HAMMER.

ALL RIGHT, WELL THAT HAS CONCLUDED COUNTY BUSINESS TODAY.

I HAVE AN APPOINTMENT --

YOU HAVE AN APPOINTMENT?

I'M SORRY, WE HAD A VOTE 7-0, CORRECT?

YES IT WAS 7-0.

AND THIS IS YOURS.

YEAH.

I'M SORRY.

YOU HAVE --

MR. CHAIR --

I HAVE AN APPOINTMENT TO SEEK THAT, CHILDREN FAMILY ADVISORY BOARD, YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU THE APPLICATION FROM LARRY KELLY JR., I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE LARRY KELLY JR.

ALL RIGHT, AFTER I MOTION TO LARRY J. KELLY JR. TO CFAB. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED. SO MOTIONED. SO CARRIED. ANY OTHER APPOINTMENTS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AT THIS TIME?

CAN YOU CLEAR MY SCREEN, MA'AM? WHENEVER YOU GET A MINUTE.

YOU WERE CARRYING THESE THINGS.

YES.

OH, THAT'S NICE. OKAY, WELL WE WILL --

HOLD ON. MORGAN WANTS TO SPEAK ON TWO TOPICS.

TWO TOPICS, OKAY WELL WE'LL DO THAT IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES.

NO, ACTUALLY WE HAVE, LET'S SEE, WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH THE ORDER. YES, THIS IS AS A MATTER OF FACT PUBLIC PARTICIPATION COMES UP NEXT IN ORDER. JUST WANT TO CLEAR THE ORDER'S HERE. SO WE HAVE THREE ISSUES, OR THREE, ACTUALLY TWO INDIVIDUALS WITH THREE TOPICS, SO WHAT I'LL DO

IS PUT MR. MORTON UP FIRST, MORTON, I'LL PUT MR. ESCADARO AFTER YOU, OKAY.

LET'S SEE, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT TOPIC ONE OR TWO?

NUMBER ONE.

YOU'LL START WITH NUMBER ONE.

I GUESS MY NAME IS MORTON.

ONE MOMENT.

IS HE ON? I CAN'T HARDLY HEAR HIM.

TRY AGAIN.

TRY AGAIN.

YES --

THERE YOU GO.

GOOD, THANK YOU.

YES, I'M 6 # CHENEY MASON BERLIN AND WONDERFUL, BEAUTIFUL FLORIDA, AT ANY RATE, I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE FIRST AMENDMENT OF THE CONSTITUTION AGAIN, I ASK IF IT IS BEING ABIDED BY BY THIS COUNCIL. IT PROHIBITS WHAT IT IS CALLED PERSONAL TAX UPON COUNCIL MEMBERS. COMPLIMENTS OF PRAISES BY PEOPLE TOWARDS THE COUNCIL. WHAT IS A PERSONAL TECH VERSUS A LEGITIMATE CRITICISM, TAX PAYING, VOTING, VOTING, CITIZENS, VOLUSIA COUNTY SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO PRAISE OR CRITIQUE THE PERFORMANCE OF GOVERNMENT COUNCIL OR ITS MEMBERS. I AM HERE TODAY BECAUSE I HAVE NO REPRESENTATIVE ON THIS COUNCIL. YET MY TAX MONEY PAYS FOR A REPRESENTATIVE THAT DOES NOT REPRESENT MYSELF AS A TAX PAYER. AT THE RECENT COUNTY COUNCIL MEETING, EIGHT SEATS WERE RESERVED RIGHT HERE FOR THE MULTIMILLIONAIRE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE VERY WEALTHY, EXTREMELY WEALTHY DAYTONA INTERNATIONAL SPEEDWAY CORPORATION. THEY WERE GIVEN RESERVED SEATING BEFORE THE VOTE WAS EVEN GIVEN, GIVING THEM A $20 MILLION GRANT. THIS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE OF THE CORPORATE WEALTHY THIS COUNCIL REALLY REPRESENTS. PERHAPS THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD SIT IN THE AUDIENCE AND LET THE CORPORATE WEALTHY VOTE THEMSELVES MORE MILLIONS IN YOUR SEAT IT'S A GOOD POSSIBILITY THIS SHOULD HAPPEN. THE DAYTONA, THIS IS NOT THE COUNTY OF DAYTONA, THIS IS THE COUNTY OF VOLUSIA LAST I NOTICED. AND IF THE DAYTONA SPEEDWAY AND THIS CORPORATION'S OWN THE COUNTY, WHY DON'T YOU JUST SIT BACK HERE AND LET THEM SIT UP THERE. THANK YOU, SIR.

OKAY, MR. ESCADARO.

THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN, DISTINGUISHED COUNCIL MEMBERS, MY NAME IS STAN ESCADARO. ITS BEEN A LONG TIME, I APOLOGIZE FOR TAKING MORE OF YOUR TIME. BUT I'M HERE TO SPEAK TO YOU BRIEFLY AS PRESIDENT OF THE TAX PAYERS ACTION GROUP OR TAGG ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN. HAVING ATTENDED THE

WORKSHOP, OR AT LEAST HALF OF IT, AND SPOKEN SEVERAL TIMES BEFORE THIS COUNCIL ON THE SUBJECT YOU ALL KNOW HOW WE ATAGG FEEL ABOUT IT, I'M NOT GOING TO WASTE YOUR TIME TALKING ABOUT IT AGAIN. I WILL JUST SAY THAT TO ASSIST, WE HOPE IN THE PROCESS, IN YOUR PROCESS OF DEVELOPING A STRATEGIC PLAN, WE HAVE PREPARED A DRAFT, STRATEGIC PLAN WHICH, WHICH IS IN EFFECT A VISION, SUPPORTED BY A NUMBER OF FUNDAMENTAL GOALS WHICH ARE THEMSELVES SUPPORTED BY A SERIES OF STREAKIC INITIATIVES, AND I AND TAGG BEG THIS COUNCIL AS YOU WORK TOGETHER TOROS YOUR -- PRODUCE YOUR STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE COUNTY TO PAY CAREFUL ATTENTION TO THE DOCUMENT, THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

ALL RIGHT. IF YOU WOULD MAKE, YES, MAKE SURE MISS ZIMMERMAN HAS A COPY.

I'VE ALREADY GIVEN HER A COPY.

THANK YOU.

I'LL MAKE COPIES FOR EVERYBODY.

THANK YOU. OKAY, WE HAVE A NEW SPEAKER, MR. MORTON NEW SPEAKER. I NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, SIR, AND YOU WILL HAVE THREE MINUTES.

I HAVEN'T MOVED SINCE I WAS LAST HERE --

REALLY?

WONDERFUL.

BEAUTIFUL DOWNTOWN.

I'M TELLING YOU.

I USED TO LIVE THERE.

ANYWAY, MEANWHILE BACK AT THE RANCH, AS MANY OF YOU, MANY OF YOU PEOPLE ARE AWARE, PEOPLE SOMETIMES USE THE VOLUSIA COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO MAKE FALSE ACCUSATIONS AGAINST OTHERS. ANY PERSON IN THIS ROOM, ANYONE CAN CALL THE VOLUSIA COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND MAKE ALMOST ANY ACCUSATION ABOUT ANYTHING AND GET AWAY WITH IT. THE LOU THAT COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS NO OBLIGATION TO INFORM THE ACCUSED, WHICH MAY BE ANY OF US OF ANY ACCUSATION AT ALL. I HAVE THREE SHREW THAT COUNTY INCIDENT REPORTS SUBMITTED BY THE SAME COMPANY THAT LIVES ON VOLUSIA COUNTY TAX MONEY, IT'S THE GATEWAY CENTER OF THE ARTS WHICH IS BUILT ON PUBLIC MONEY. THEY HAVE FILLED OUT THREE INCIDENT REPORTS AGAINST ME. THIS GATEWAY AT ONE TIME, MISS PAT AS A MEMBER OF THE BOARD. THIS OUTFIT HAS HAD ME ILLEGALLY ARRESTED, THROWN ME OUT OF THEIR, OUT OF THEIR BUSINESS, OUT OF THERE BUILDING, TWICE, WHEN I DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG. I'M A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC. I WENT TO A FULL TRIAL AND WAS ACQUITTED OF ALL CHARGES OF TRESPASSING, THIS COMPANY REFUSES TO LET ME IN THIS PUBLIC BUILDING BECAUSE I PUBLICLY OPPOSED THEIR VERY GREEDY CORPORATE OFFICIALS TRYING TO GET $600,000 FROM THE TINY CITY. IT'S A PRIVATE CORPORATION IN A PUBLIC PARK. AND IF IT GETS VOLUSIA COUNTY MONEY REGULARLY, THIS SHREW THAT COUNTY GAVE $610,000 TO NONPROFIT WORTHLESS ARTS AND CULTURE ORGANIZATIONS THAT SHOULD BE ABLE

TO SURVIVE ON THEIR OWN. MANY ARE SICK OF THE GIVEAWAYS, GIVEAWAY MONEY, GIVE AWAY MONEY, IF YOU'RE AWAKE, YOU GIVE AWAY MONEY. IF YOU'RE NOT ON THE FACEBOOK OVER HERE LIKE SHE IS, YOU GIVE AWAY MONEY, WHAT KIND OF PERSON IS THAT? LOOK AT HER. MISS NORTON, ARE YOU AWAKE? THAT'S WHY I APPRECIATE THAT, I APPRECIATE IT. BUT I HAVE NO REPRESENTATION. I JUST HAVE PAT NORTON. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT, PUBLIC COMMENTS ARE COMPLETED. ANYBODY ELSE BEFORE WE CLOSE THAT SECTION DOWN FOR THE FINAL TIME TODAY? OKAY WE ARE CLOSED DOWN ON PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, MR. PAT PATTERSON, DO YOU HAVE ANY CLOSING COMMENTS?

REAL QUICK, ONE, YESTERDAY I WENT OVER TO THE BIKE TRIAL AT CHUCK LEONARD PARK, MR. MANAGER, I THINK WE NEED TO GET THAT THING MOVING, THEY'RE READY TO GO AND CONSTRUCT THAT AND GET THE OUTLAWS OUT OF THERE THAT THEY'RE COMING IN THERE AND USING IT ANYWAY, SO I WOULD LIKE IT IF WE COULD MOVE ON THAT. THE ASSOCIATION WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME LAND OVER THERE IN THAT CHUCK LEONARD PARK AREA IF WE COULD WORK ON SOMETHING THERE. I THINK IF WE WORKED OUT SOMETHING WITH THEM THAT WHERE IF IT DIDN'T HAPPEN, WE WOULD GET A REVERTED CLAUSEN TO. SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT, BUT DOES ANYBODY ON THE COUNCIL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WHAT I'M SUGGESTING HERE? OKAY, THANK YOU. AND I WANT TO THANK --

MR. PATTERSON --

YES, SIR, MAYBE WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT DIFFERENT INITIATIVES, WE COULD JUST LIST THAT AS ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVES FOR THE COUNCIL SO THEY WOULD UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE DOING AND, YOU KNOW, WE COULD LOOK, AND THEN I THINK WHAT MR. PATTERSON IS SUGGESTING IS THERE IS PROBABLY LAND WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ALLOW THEM TO USE, IF THEY'VE GOING TO BUILD IT AND HAVE TO HAVE RESTRICTIONS ON IT, HAVE TO PAY FOR EVERYTHING WHICH IS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD BRING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE.

OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN OVER TO THE BIKE TRAIL. IT IS ONE OF THE TOP FIVE MOUNTAIN BIKE TRAILS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. I WOULDN'T RIDE IT BECAUSE IT IS FOR, IT'S JUST, I'LL SHOW YOU A MAP OF IT, IT'S REALLY, REALLY INCREDIBLE, YES, SIR. IT IS AWESOME. AND THERE IS, THERE IS A LITTLE PIECE OF IT, KIND OF A CIRCLE, BUT GOING DOWN AND I KNOW THAT RISK MANAGEMENT AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAD AN ISSUE WITH IT, BUT, THEY'RE USING IT ANYWAY --

YOU HAVE NO IDEA.

AND FOOT IN THE PEOPLE, IMBA, IMBA WOULD LIKE TO GET IN THERE. THEY HAVE PEOPLE WHO COME IN THERE AND CONSTRUCT THAT THEY DON'T CHARGE ANYTHING FOR IT. THIS COMPANY COMES IN AND THEY BUILD THIS THING, AND IT'S GOING TO BE FABULOUS, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE STATE MAY BE LOOKING AT ANOTHER TRAIL IN BLUE SPRINGS. SO --

MR. PATTERSON, MAY I ASK YOU A QUESTION. BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE HAD THE ISSUE WITH LIABILITY RESOLVED AT THAT LOCATION? WE WORKED VERY HARD ON THAT BEFORE YOU CAME ON COUNCIL ACTUALLY.

WELL, THERE WAS, IT WAS AN INSURANCE ISSUE --

AND THE NATIONAL ORGANIZATION WAS GOING TO BE THE ONE TO PROVIDE, IT WAS THEIR POLICY, I THINK WE WERE GOING TO UMBRELLA UNDER.

YEAH, BUT THEIR ATTORNEY HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT BECAUSE THEY FELT IF THEY DID IT WITH THAT PARTICULAR TRAIL THEN IT WOULD BECOME AN ISSUE. AND IT'S REALLY THE INSURANCE IS NOT REALLY FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, IT'S NOT ON THE ACTUAL USE OF IT, IT'S THE CONSTRUCTION OF IT.

THEY ARE USING IT?

THE TRAIL NOW.

THEY AREN'T USING IT, THEY ARE WAITING FOR THIS TO BE GET RESOLVED. THE ONES USING IT ARE PEOPLE GOING IN THERE AND TEARING UP --

THIS IS DISAPPOINTING BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE HAD THIS ISSUE REVOLVED QUOTE TOO MANY TIME AGO.

CHARLES HAR GUST GROVE, DEPUTY COUNTY ATTORNEY, CLARIFICATION HERE. IMBA, THEY HAD ACTIVITIES FOR OUR, THE CONTINUED OF IT, THE ISSUE RESOLVES AROUND MAKING IMPROVEMENT TO THE TRAIL, AND THIS IS WHERE THE INSURANCE ISSUE CAME UP ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANTED TO DO IT OR NOT. WE OFFERED TO PAY FOR THE INSURANCE, AND THEY DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT BECAUSE THEY WERE AFRAID OF SETTING A PRECEDENT, THAT IS AN IMPROVEMENT TO MAKE IT SAFER, NOT TO INTERFERE WITH THIS CURRENT USE AND TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION. THIS ISSUE WAS RESOLVED. WE HAVE A LICENSED AGREEMENT WITH THEM, AND THAT HAS NOT BEEN DISCONTINUED AND THERE'S BEEN NO DISRUPTION WITH THAT.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING ADDENDUM TO WHATEVER IT IS WE DID. I KNOW I WORKED ON THIS ISSUE FOR MONTHS GETTING THEM THE APPROVALS TO BE ON THAT LAND, I KNOW MR. MANAGER, YOU ACTUALLY WENT OUT AND TOOK A TOUR, THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT ONE PARTICULAR SLOPE I THINK THAT THERE WAS A ROCK AT THE END OF THAT SLOPE, AND THERE WAS CONCERNS ABOUT THAT, WE MODIFIED, I THOUGHT WE MODIFIED THE TRAIL, AND I THOUGHT WE WERE USING, THAT THEY WERE USING THAT.

YOU'RE VERY ACCURATE. THE IDEA IS THAT WE ALWAYS KNEW THAT WITH IMBA CONDUCTING EVENTS THERE THAT IT WOULD BE CONDUCTED TO THE CONTRACT WHERE IT WOULD BE, THEIR MEETINGS OAR EVENTS WOULD BE SAFELY CONDUCTED. WE'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO, AND CANNOT REALLY ADDRESS THE ISSUE, AT LEAST EFFECTIVELY YET UNLESS THERE'S MORE PERSONNEL ASSIGNED TO IT AND IS AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE WHICH COUNCIL MEMBER, MR. PATTERSON BRINGS UP. BUT THERE THIS OTHER ISSUE MAINLY IS A FUNCTION OF HAVING IMBA DO IT BECAUSE THEY'RE EXPERTISE IN THE DESIGN, NOW I'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH TIM BAILEY ABOUT OTHER ALTERNATIVES WHERE IF WE NEED TO GET THIS PARTICULAR PART OF THE TRAIL OR ADDITION DO TO IT AND APPROVED, WE HAVE TO CONSIDER GOING TO A CONSULTANT OR ANOTHER CONTRACTOR TO DO IT. THE IDEA, WHICH IS THE IDEAL WOULD BE FOR THEM TO DO IT, AND THEY DON'T CHARGE FOR IT, BUT IF IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE, I DON'T KNOW THAT NECESSARILY THAT WOULD, THEIR POSITION WOULD PREVENT US FROM GOING FORWARD WITH THIS ADDITION OR IMPROVEMENT TO THE TRAIL.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE WORKED ALL THIS OUT, I WANT TO MAKE SOME CHANGE. AND IT'S THE CHANGE THAT BECAME IN QUESTION, AND YOU WONDER WHY, FROM WHAT I GATHER, IS IT REALLY GOING TO CHANGE THE LIABILITY MUCH, PROBABLY NOT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE WAS GETTING AT. GIVE US A LITTLE TIME, WE'LL LOOK INTO IF IT FURTHER, BUT WE DID WORK THIS OUT, THEY WERE USING IT, WE GOT IT ALL STRAIGHTENED OUT. AND I THINK IN ALL FAIRNESS TO MR. PATTERSON, THEY WANTED TO NOW MAKE A CHANGE AND WHEN THEY WANTED TO MAKE THE CHANGE, THAT CREATED A, AN ISSUE. AND SO WHAT WE'LL TRY TO DO IS TRY, WE'LL TRY TO DEAL WITH IT.

YEAH, IT HAS TO DO WITH BIKE JUMP AREA.

YEAH.

THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, AND IT HAS AN EXPERT AND A BEGINNER RAMP ON IT.

I JUST KNOW THAT IT IS, IT'S AN AMEN THEY BRINGS PEOPLE FROM ALL AROUND THE STATE, AND IT'S REALLY FOR NATURE-BASED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WHICH THE WEST SIDE HAS A LOT OF, IT'S AN IMPORTANT ASSET.

WELL ACTUALLY, I THINK YOU'RE ALL WORKING TOWARDS THE SAME THING BECAUSE MR. PATTERSON AND I TALKED, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN THE RISK BUSINESS, THIS IS ONE TIME WHERE DO YOU REALLY WANT TO BE, I NINETEEN THIS IS, IT'S LIKE A LOT OF THINGS DUO, IT'S RISKY, AND I THINK THE COUNCIL MADE A DECISION THEY WERE WILLING TO FOREGO SOME OF THE ISSUES ON RISK BECAUSE THEY FELT THAT THERE'S NO WAY AROUND THE RISK IN THIS ISSUE AND IT WOULD BE MORE HARMFUL TO STOP THE ACTIVITY. SO I THINK THAT'S THE GOAL, AND I THINK WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT, I JUST GOT TO LOOK AT THIS LAST PIECE BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO HAVE CAUSED A HICCUP.

OKAY.

I'M NOT TRYING TO GET SOMETHING STARTED HERE, OTHER THAN JUST --

I AM. I AM BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE HAD IT ALL RESOLVED.

WELL, I MEAN, THERE'S A SIX MILES OUT THERE THAT IS REALLY, SOUP WE ARE, THIS IS SEPARATE OF IT, IT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE, THE SIX MILES IS NOT AN ISSUE. I WAS OUT THERE AND THERE WAS PEOPLE COMING IN YESTERDAY ON IT, ON THE WEEKENDS THEY GET AS MANY AS # HUNDRED PEOPLE A DAY COMING THROUGH THERE USING THAT, THE SIX MILE TRACK OVER THERE, THIS OTHER LITTLE PIECE IS MANAGER THAT'S KIND OF A LITTLE THING THERE AND WHAT WE'LL GET AT AND GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF. I UNDERSTAND FROM THE MANAGER, THE SIGHT WHERE WE HAD THE LAND DONATED TO US WITH THE BOAT RAMP ADDED, THEY WENT OVER AND MOWED IT DOWN AND I THINK WE'RE CLOSER TO COMING UP WITH A PLAN FOR THAT, AND I'M EXCITED ABOUT THAT.

IF I COULD, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS MAKE A COMMENT THAT WE, DONATED A NICE PIECE OF LAND, AND IT REALLY NEEDED SOME ATTENTION, TO CLEAN IT UP, MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE IN THE FORM IT'S AT WHICH IT ISN'T DEVELOPED, IT'S LIKE A TRAIL BASICALLY. AND IT'S A GOOD KAYAK AND CANOE LAUNCHING

AREA THAT NEEDS WORK. WE DID GO IN AND SPENT MOST OF THE DAY CLEANING IT UP, MOWING IT, GETTING IT SO PEOPLE COULD GET IN THERE. MR. PATTERSON'S ASKED AND I CAN BRING IF YOU WOULD LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER DO WE WANT TO PUT MONEY, AND I HAVE FUNDS THAT SPECIFICALLY COME OUT OF THE BOATING FUND THAT WE HAVE TO USE, WE CAN ONLY USE FOR THINGS LIKE THIS. WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, A DECENT BALANCE THERE, THIS MIGHT BE A PROJECT THAT'S ELIGIBLE, BUT WHAT I'D LIKE TO KNOW IS I'LL BRING FORWARD MAYBE SOME SUGGESTIONS OF WHAT WE COULD DO TO IMPROVE THAT, I THINK ONCE WE DO IMPROVE IT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT WOULD ONLY, IT WOULDN'T BE A BOAT RAMP, IT'S ONLY FOR NONMOTORIZED CANOES, KAYAKS, I THINK, I THINK IT'D BE A REALLY GOOD SPOT, I THINK WE CAN MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS FOR AROUND 300,000, JUST THE MINIMAL IMPROVEMENTS, WE HAVE ABOUT 1 POINT IT 2 IN THAT FUND, IT'S VERY RESTRICTIVE WHERE WE CAN USE THAT FUND.

ISN'T THERE ANY FIND MONEY WE COULD APPLY FOR?

THIS IS THE MONEY WE COLLECT ON, BOATING LICENSES ONLY USED FOR THINGS LIKE ENHANCED BOATING OPPORTUNITIES. SO THIS MIGHT, WHAT I'M SAYING, THERE MAY BE OTHER FUND, BUT THIS ALSO, THAT FUND CAN ONLY BE USED FOR CERTAIN PROJECTS.

THE RIVER, THE RIVER AND ITS ATTRIBUTE TEARS ARE CONSIDERED PART OF THE COASTAL WATERWAY AND FIND SHOULD BE FUNDING ALONG THERE.

WE CAN LOOK AT THAT. I JUST THINK THAT IT'S A GOOD IDEAD TO PROBABLY DO SOMETHING TO MAKE THIS PROPERTY SO THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY PARK THERE AND YOU CAN GET OUT AND USE YOUR CANOES, AND WHAT WE'D REALLY LIKE TO DO IS MAKE THE CANOE RAMP THEY PUT IN IS NOT VERY SAFE. SOMEBODY DUMPED CONCRETE. WE'D MAKE THAT A MORE USABLE, FRIENDLY, SAFER LAUNCH RACH. I THINK WE'D GET A LOT OF USE FOR KAYAKS AND CANOES .

WE HAVE A WHOLE SERIES ALONG THE HALIFAX RIVER THAT WE HAVE IMPROVED, AND THEY'RE REALLY UTILIZE END A THEY'RE VERY NICE AND WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR.

SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO BEEN I THINK MR. PATTERSON WAS SUGGESTING, I COULD COMED FOR A WITH A PLAN THAT YOU COULD APPROVE IN THE FUTURE.

I, IN LOOKING AT IT THE RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE DREDGED OUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO PUT ANYTHING BIGGER THAN A KAYAK ORCA KNEW IN IT, I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THAT IN THE FUTURE. END THAT THAT AREA HAS ONE OF THE LARGEST BALD EAGLE POPULATIONS OUT IN THAT YOU'RE. SO, I THINK IN THE LONG RANGE, THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE COULD DO TO ENHANCE AND YOU COULD ACTUAL COME OFF OF THE TRAIL, AND GO DOWN SHELL HARBOR SINCE IT IS, THAT WOULD BE A PLACE, DESTINATION FOR PEOPLE TO GO. I DID TALK TO A LADY --

PAT, CAN I ASK YOU ABOUT THAT. WHERE YOU PUT THE $5 IN THE BUCKET TO LAUNCH A BOAT.

NO.

NO OKAY. THIS IS A DIFFERENT LOCATION.

YOU COULDN'T GET BACK IN THERE BEFORE. THEY WERE TRYING TO DEVELOP IT, AND IT DIDN'T WORK OUT, AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY DONATED IT TO THE COUNTY. I HAVE TALKED TO A LADY THAT I KNOW THAT IS ON THE FIND BOARD OF DIRECTORS, AND SHE IS VERY INTERESTED IN HELPING US DO SOMETHING OUT THERE. SO THAT WOULD BE GOOD. I MEAN I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE MY BOAT OUT THERE, MR. DANIELS AND I COULD GO FISHING. THANK YOU.

LASTLY I THINK IF YOU LOOKED, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU LOOKED AT THE APRIL ISSUE OF TREND, IT HAS A BIG THING ON THE BILLION DOLLAR FILM INDUSTRY IN FLORIDA. WE HAVE TO GO LOOK AT THAT, FIND THE APRIL ISSUE.

THANK YOU.

I THINK I STIRRED UP ENOUGH HERE.

ALL RIGHT. MR. WAGNER.

ALL RIGHT THE, THERE WAS A PROJECT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR A WHILE, OUR STATE CONTRACT'S OUT FOR THREE REEFS THAT ARE CLOSE TO SHORE, THE ONE THE GENTLEMAN WAS WORKING ON, THREE REEFS, ITS BEEN WHAT NINE MONTHS, EVERYONE REMEMBER THAT? ONE OF THE REEFS DROPPED, SO ONE OF THE REEFS DROPPED OUT, BUT DURING THE CONVERSATION WITH THE STATE WHICH WAS INTERESTING AND I NEVER WOULD HAVE THOUGHT IT IN A MILLION YEARS, THEY BROUGHT UP THE SUGGESTION OF HALOING A PEER WITH ROCKS, I COULD GO INTO IT, YOU PUT A HALO AROUND IT, A LOT OF THE ROCK YOU WOULDN'T SEE. IF THEY LET DOUSE THAT, IT'D MAKE THEAWAYS BETTER, BUT IT WOULD TAKE CARE OF THE SITUATION. REMEMBER THE ISSUE WITH ALL THE SURFERS AND PEOPLE WOULD FISH INSIDE THE HALO. NO, BELIEVE ME, WE HAVE A LOT MORE LIABILITY IN OTHER AREAS THAN THIS. BUT IT WOULD CREATE A HALO WITH THE PEER, AND IT WAS THE STATE'S SUGGESTION. I THOUGHT IT WAS UNBELIEVABLE, ALL I'M ASKING IS POSSIBLY SINCE ONE OF THE REEFS DROPPED OUT TO ALLOW JOE, OR STAFF, TO CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION WITH THE STATE TO REALLY SEE IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. SO YOU'D STILL HAVE THE TWO REEFS, BUT INSTEAD OF HAVING THE THIRD TO SEE IF THAT IS A REAL SUGGESTION, I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I WOULD HAVE NEVER THOUGHT THE STATE SUGGESTED IT. IT'S JUST TO SEE IF THE STATE IS SERIOUS ABOUT EVEN CONSIDERING IT. AND BRING IT BACK. I MEAN THERE'S NO FORMAL, THERE'S NO SCIENCE BEHIND IT. BUT STAFF WOULD NEED TO SAY, OR AT LEAST THINK THAT INSTEAD OF A THIRD, I GUESS A THIRD REEF THAT THIS WOULD COST FUNDING WISE WOULD BE THE THIRD ONE. IS THAT OKAY WITH EVERYBODY, FOR JOE TO DO THAT? I'M NO ENGINEER. DEFINITELY NOT.

I'M OKAY WITH THAT, BUT I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE INTENDED FOR THIS, THE STAFF TO THINK THAT WE'VE JUST GIVEN A GO.

I'M WITH YOU. EMIGRE. JIM, DO YOU HAVE THAT UNDERSTANDING, SO IT'S NOT A GO, IS IT REALLY A POSSIBILITY. IS EVERYONE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT?

INFORMATION.

INFORMATION.

WE'LL FIND OUT.

OKAY, COOL. THE, THANK YOU, EVERYONE. THE DR. MARBA, THE CONSULTANT THAT WAS HIRED FROM THE CITY OF DAYTONA BEACH IS MEETING WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S GOING ELECTED OR GOING STRAIGHT. YOU KNOW IF HE'S GOING TO THE AGENCIES OR WHAT HE'S DOING, JIM, HAVE THEY CONTACTED YOU? I KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO MEET WITH YOU AND POSSIBLY MAYBE PEOPLE FROM THE JAIL, HAS HE CONTACTED YOU OR ANYONE CONTACTED YOU?

THEY ASKED WHO WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, MYSELF, I'M ON THE LIST. I AM ACTUAL, I'M ACTUALLY TOYING WITH THE IDEA OF HIS PROJECT THAT THEY TOUT FOR EXPERIENCE, THE ONE IN SAN ANTONIO, I'M DOING RESEARCH. JUST SO HAPPENS THE POLICE CHIEF OF SAN ANTONIO USED TO BE MY POLICE CHIEF --

YOU'RE KIDDING ME. NO WAY.

I'M THINKING ABOUT GOING MYSELF AND GETTING THE REAL STORY FROM THE POLICE CHIEF OF SAN ANTONIO. AS TO REALLY WHAT'S GOING ON, THOUSAND WORKED OUT FOR ALL THESE YEARS, AND WHAT THE ISSUES ARE AND WHAT THE COSTS ARE AND CONSIDERING WHO I KNOW, I THINK I CAN FIND OUT WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING. SO I'M ACTUALLY THINKING ABOUT RUNNING DOWN THERE, SEEING A FEW OLD FRIEND AND ASKING THEM HOW'S IT WORKING.

THEY'RE STILL DOING IT?

YEAH.

OH.

BUT I WANT TO SEE WHAT THE REALITY OF WHAT IT REALLY DID TO AFFECT THE ISSUE, HOW IT'S HELPING THEM, IF IT'S AFFECTING POLICING, ALSO WHAT'S IT REALLY COSTING AND HOW EFFECTIVE HAS IT BEEN. I THEY BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO BE UNDERMINING ANYBODY, IF THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT SUPPOSEDLY THE BELL WEATHER OF THIS PERSON WORKING ON IT, WELL SEE THOUSAND LOOKS YEARS LATER. I KNOW WHAT'S GONE ON IN DAYTON, I WENT BACK AND REVISITED EVERYTHING I DID. I NOW KNOW, SOMETIMES FINDING OUT THE REAL TRUTH, IN THIS CASE, A WAY THAT I GET THE CORRECT INFORMATION.

I KNOW ONE OF THE, I ASSUME, I GUESS I SAID I'M MAKING ASSUMPTIONS, THEY'RE GOING TO WANT JAIL STATISTICS, STUFF LIKE THAT, HAVE THEY ASKED FOR ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THAT?

MARY-ANN DID A JOB OF LOOKING AT THIS WHOLE CHARACTERIZATION, AND WE LOOKED AT IT, AND WE SHOWED THIS TO A FEW OTHER PEOPLE WHO REALLY FELT, WE WERE RIGHT, WHEN WE LOOKED AT HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULD BE, THAT WOULD FIT THIS CATEGORY, THAT ARE IN JAIL, IN TERMS OF THE CONDITION, THIS IS THE OTHER PEOPLE, IN TERMS OF THE JAIL, OF HOW MANY PEOPLE WITH DEAL WITH EVERY DAY. IT'S NOT A MAJOR PRODUCTION. THAT DOESN'T MINIMIZE THAT THOSE PEOPLE SHOULDN'T BE IN JAIL. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT MY FEAR IT IS. WHO WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THIS TYPE OF FACILITY WHICH IS WHAT WE DID, MARY-ANN LOOKED AT IT VERSUS IF THEY HAD ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE TO GO TO. WHAT MY FEAR IS IS THAT YOU COULD ARTIFICIALLY PUSH THIS NUMBER UP, IF YOU START TO CRIMINALIZE AS A WAY TO GET PEOPLE IN THE PROGRAM, AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT I'M GETTING AT?

THAT HAPPENED IN THE FIRST IN ALL-TREATMENT.

YOU DON'T TO WANT SAY TO SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, THAT NORMALLY WOULD NOT BE HASSLED BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT COMMITTING A CRIME. WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO TO JAIL OR THE FACILITY.

AND THEN THEY CHOOSE JAIL.

THEY WANT TO INTERVIEW. , THE PROCEDURALLY I KNOW THE ISSUE CAME UP TODAY, AS FAR AS PROCEDURES CONCERNED. MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE ANY TIME YOU HAVE A, SOMEONE COME IN THAT GETS EXTRACK TIME, THE WHOLE POINT OF GETTING EXTRA SOMETIME BECAUSE THEY HAVE A TEAM. AND THE WAY I SEE IT IS IF THEY HAVE A TEAM, IF THERE ARE A LOT OF TEN, 15, 20 MINUTES, WHOEVER PAID AS PART OF OF THAT TEAM IS PART OF THAT TEN, 15, 20 MINUTE. I THINK THAT WOULD HELP, I THINK THAT'S A DEFINING LINE IF YOU'RE PAID PERSON TO BE PART OF THE TEAM, TING TURNS INTO COMMERCIAL SPEECH. THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION. THE LAST ONE AND THIS IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT. WE HAVE EVERYONE HERE, AYE BEEN WORKING ON SOMETHING FOR, PROBABLY BEEN TWO OR THREE MONTHS NOW. A REALLY BIG ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ISSUE FOR SOMEWHERE IN MY DISTRICT. THE COMPANY'S VERY PARTICULAR ON WHERE THEY'LL GO. IT'S TOURISM BASED, BUT WHAT IT IS IS A VERY, VERY, VERY LARGE SPORTS ASSOCIATION. IS CONSIDERING CHOOSING VOLUSIA COUNTY TO BE THEIR DESTINATION. THESE ARE, THESE ARE REAL NUMBERS, THEY ARE BEING UTILIZED RIGHT NOW IN THE CITY THEY'RE IN. IN THE COUNTY, APOLOGIZE, THE COUNTY THEY'RE IN RIGHT NOW, THEY ARE DOING 7 # # THOUSAND ROOM NIGHTS A YEAR. THEY ARE DOING 90 TO 95,000. THEY'RE DOING 96,000 ROOM NIGHTS A YEAR IN THEIR ZONE, JUST IN THE COUNTY, AND OUR COUNTY'S ACTUALLY SET UP BETTER, WE HAD PROBABLY CAPTURE ALL THE 97. THEY'VE AGREED TO PART OF THE DEAL THAT WE WOULD, THAT WOULD CERTIFY AS PART OF THE DEAL, 50,000 ROOM NIGHTS A YEAR. THEY'RE LOOKING FOR A LONG CONTRACT, PROBABLY IN THE 20 YEAR RANGE. IT'S YAW UNEQUIVOCALLY IN THE SENSE, AND MY DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM AND, THEY CREATE THEIR OWN SCHEDULE. I ASKED WOULD YOU WORK AROUND ALL OF OUR EVENTS. ALL THOSE ROOM NIGHTS ARE AN OFF EVENT WEEKS. THAT'S INSANE. IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT. I MEAN THAT REALLY, AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY'RE SPENDING RIGHT NOW ON THEIR AVERAGE DAILY RATE. [ TRANSITIONING CAPTIONER ]

HOW DO WE AS A COUNCIL, IT'S THE ONE AREA THAT'S NOT ALL PUBLIC RECORD AND YOU HAVE COMPANIES THAT WANT TO MOVE. HOW DOES STAFF KNOW WHAT TO WORK ON.

WHY WOULD WE NOT HAVE TEAM VOLUSIA.

IT SEEMS LIKE TEAM -- ASK THEM TO SUBMIT A WRITTEN PROPOSAL.

THERE IS SOMETHING IN WRITING.

YOU COULD SEND IT OUT -- LIKE TRADER JOE'S. HOW DO WE BE STRATEGIC IF WE CAN'T -- SUNSHINE LAWS PUT US IN A POSITION TO WHERE WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT.

IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT BUT ITS HARD TO SEE WHERE WE WOULD COME UP WITH THAT KIND OF MONEY.

AND I DON'T THINK IT COMES FROM US.

THE STATE COMES IN WITH MONEY. SPORTS, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE STATE -- AS FAR AS THE SPORT IS CONCERNED.

WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE STATE IS GOING TO DO. I GUESS BY NOW THEY'VE MADE A DECISION ON THE SPORTS LEGISLATION. I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN COUNT ON THE STATE FOR FUNDING.

WELL, I'M NOT SAYING WE HAVE TO MAKE A FORMAL DECISION. ALL I'M SAYING IS STAFF NEEDS TO KNOW IF THEY SHOULD TALK TO THESE PEOPLE. THAT'S ALL IT COMES DOWN TO. TEAM VOLUSIA IS AWARE OF IT.

JOSH, WITH THE TRADER JOE'S, THEY DID NOT ASK THE COUNCIL IF THEY SHOULD HAVE THAT CONVERSATION.

THAT'S MY POINT. I GUESS THIS IS THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE. WE DIDN'T INITIATE AS A COUNCIL TRADER JOE'S, STAFF WORKS ON IT AND COMES BACK WITH A PROPOSAL. DO WE CONSIDER SPORTS TOURISM AN ANGLE THAT THE COUNTY SHOULD LOOK AT? IF THEY JUST WENT TO THE COUNTY AND WENT TO JIM, WHO PICKS AND DECIDES WHAT OUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS? I DON'T REACH OUT TO TRADER JOE'S, OBVIOUSLY, CONSOLIDATED DID. HOW DO I HAND THIS OFF AS A COUNCILMEMBER. I'M AT MY LIMIT OF WHAT I CAN DO AS A COUNCILMEMBER? HOW DO I HAND IT OFF. I'VE GIVEN IT TO TEAM VOLUSIA.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU DO. I THINK THAT'S THE END OF THE ROAD FOR US UNTIL THEY LOOK INTO IT. I DON'T THINK THAT WE AS A COUNCIL CAN JUST WITHOUT KNOWING SOME INFORMATION MAKE A DECISION ABOUT IT. SO YOU'VE DONE WHAT I THINK IS RIGHT. YOU'VE HANDED OFF TO TEAM VOLUSIA AND TO STAFF. AND I THINK WE JUST HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE WHAT GOES. I MEAN, WE CAN'T MAKE A DECISION. WE DON'T KNOW --

I THINK WHAT JIM IS ASKING -- AND THIS IS WHERE IT GETS COMPLICATED. I GAVE IT TO STAFF. DOING MY PART. YOU NEVER WANT TO GET OUT IN FRONT OF THE COULD BE. I GOT THE BASICS OF WHAT I THOUGHT NEEDED TO BE DONE. I WENT TO JIM AND JIM'S QUESTION NOW IS -- IS SPORTS TOURISM, IS THIS PART OF THE STRATEGIC PLAN? WE WERE TALKING ABOUT STRATEGY AND WHAT WE GO AFTER. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT JIM IS GOING AFTER. I THINK IT'S SILLY NOT TOE LOOK INTO IT FROM A STAFF PERSPECTIVE. IT MAY NOT MAKE SENSE AT ALL OR MAY BE THE BEST THING THAT'S HAPPENED TO US.

THIS COUNCIL HAS NOT HAD THAT DISCUSSION YET. THERE WAS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND I THINK THE TRADER JOE'S PROBABLY FELL RIGHT IN WITH WHAT WE HAVE DONE ON INCENTIVES AND HOW WE WANT TO GROW OUR ECONOMY. I DON'T DISAGREE THAT SPORTS ECONOMY MIGHT BE -- I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO SAY IF IT'S A GOOD DEAL OR A BAD DEAL.

THAT'S WHAT STAFF IS FOR. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. THAT'S THE DILEMMA.

AND I THINK STAFF HAS TO EVALUATE ANYTHING THAT COMES TO THEM BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M PREPARED TODAY TO SAY THAT I THINK THAT SPORTS TOURISM, NOT HAVING ANY MORE INFORMATION ON IT THAN WHAT YOU CAN SHARE IS A VIABLE, ECONOMIC STRATEGY FOR ME TO ENTERTAIN TONIGHT. AND THIS IS WHY WE GET INTO TROUBLE AT THE COUNCIL MEETINGS BECAUSE WE HAVE THESE MAJOR DISCUSSIONS WITHOUT ANY SUPPORTING INFORMATION. SO I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO. I JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO GIVE DIRECTION OTHER THAN FOR STAFF TO REVIEW THE PLAN OR TEAM VOLUSIA.

AND I THINK THAT'S ALL STAFF NEEDS. THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING. I DON'T THINK I'M ASKING ANYTHING BUT THAT. DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? DO YOU SEE MY DILEMMA OF HOW THE PROBLEM -- ELECTED OFFICIAL.

AS A CEO I'VE SEEN IT. AND WHAT DO THE -- AND THOSE GUYS THINK?

I CALLED HIM. I TALKED TO HIM. HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO TALK TO HIS BOARD SPECIFICALLY ABOUT IT. THERE'S ONE OF THEIR MEMBERS COULD NOT BE MORE EXCITED ABOUT IT. FOR OBVIOUS REASONS, A COUPLE OF THEIR MEMBERS. AND THEY WOULD BE A BIG PARTNER TO MAKE IT HAPPEN BECAUSE IT WOULD SAVE A LOT OF MONEY FOR PARKING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THEY'RE SERIOUS PARTNERS. HERE'S THE PROBLEM. I SHOULDN'T EVEN -- AT THAT POINT, IT SHOULDN'T BE ME ANY MORE AT ALL. IT SHOULD BE STAFF, TEAM VOLUSIA, AND IT SHOULD BE THE CEO CABINET.

SO WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR FROM US?

JIM GOT TO THE POINT WHERE HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO BECAUSE WE HAD THIS --

YOU HAVE TO DISCLOSE. WE CAN'T TALK IN X'S AND Y'S.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

AND 20 MILLION WOULD BE OFF THE CHARTS AND ITS JUST IMPOSSIBLE. WE MIGHT AS WELL TELL THEM TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE IF THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED FROM US. IF THEY CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET IT FROM SOMEONE ELSE.

HE GETS PAID TO DO THAT.

LET HIM FIGURE OUT HOW HE'S GOING TO FUND IT SOME WAY OTHER THAN US AND THEN WE'LL TALK.

THAT WOULD BE THE WAY TO HANDLE IT BECAUSE ALL WE'D BE DOING IS RAISING FALSE HOPES AND GETTING A BAD REPUTATION OF LEADING PEOPLE DOWN THE PRIMROSE PATH.

BUT THERE'S STILL STAFF QUESTIONS BUT THAT'S NORMAL. ARE YOU SAYING THAT?

IF HE'S GOT A QUESTION FOR MR. DINEEN, I'M SURE HE'S ANSWER IT.

DO YOU HAVE YOUR DIRECTIONS?

I THINK SO. [ LAUGHTER ]

THAT'S IT.

OKAY. CLOSING COMMENTS?

MR. CHAIR, I HAVE NO CLOSING COMMENTS. I JUST -- WELL, I DO. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE TRAIN RIDE. YOU KNOW, I WAS IN THE LEGISLATURE WHEN WE PASSED THAT. AND TO BE ON THAT TRAIN ON YESTERDAY WAS SUCH A WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE WHEN THE LEGISLATION PASSED AND AFTER THREE TIMES TRYING TO GET IT THERE. TO GET IT THROUGH AND THEN TO BE ABLE TO RIDE THAT TRAIN AND BE A PART OF THIS COUNCIL, IT WAS VERY GRATIFYING ON YESTERDAY TO SEE THAT COME TO FRUITION. AND SO THANKS FOR SHARING MR. CHAIR AND REPRESENTATIVE FROM DISTRICT 5 FOR US BEING THERE TOGETHER. IT WAS VERY, VERY EXCITING. AND I WAS SO PLEASED FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE THERE. THAT'S IT.

ALL RIGHT. MR.DANIELS--

NO COMMENTS, MR. CHAIRMAN.

THANK YOU, JUST VERY BRIEFLY, MR. MANAGER, ARE WE GOING TO GET A SUMMARY EXECUTIVE REPORT FROM THE STRATEGIC PLANNING WORKSHOP WE HAD? IS A REPORT FORTHCOMING TO COUNCIL? OR WHERE ARE WE GOING WITH THIS?

IT'S A TWO PAGE REPORT YOU SAY.

I KNOW HE GAVE YOU A SUMMARY, OKAY? AND FROM THAT STANDPOINT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT WHERE YOU WANT TO GO NEXT.

OKAY. THE EVENING IS LATE. SO WE'LL JUST SHELVE THAT FOR FUTURE DISCUSSION.

MR. DANIELS HAS ALREADY --

MY MIND IS RACING. I'VE NOT SEEN THE SUMMARY.

IT WAS LIKE ONE PAGE.

NOT TO US.

NOTHING.

NOT TO ME.

NO FOLLOW-UP.

THAT'S ALL I GOT.

I GOT IT. [ LAUGHTER ]

GOOD TRY, WAGNER, GOOD TRY.

I'LL SEND THAT ONE PAGE OUT. I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSION BY THE COUNCIL ABOUT WHAT YOUR EXPECTATIONS ARE.

AGREED. NEXT ISSUE, WHERE ARE WE -- I ASSUME WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF AN RFP FOR THE HEALTH INSURANCE. ARE WE IN THAT PROCESS?

WE ARE ACTUALLY IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING A CONSULTANT. WE'LL COME BACK WITH ANOTHER SCHEDULE TO SHOW YOU.

SO WE'RE OFF SCHEDULE.

NO, RIGHT ON SCHEDULE.

THAT'S GOOD. VERY QUICKLY. SESSIONS ENDING, DJJ OVERPAYMENT. IS THERE A RESOLUTION, REIMBURSEMENT, WHERE WE LEGISLATIVELY WITH THAT?

THERE'S NO MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR REIMBURSEMENT.

THEY ARE JUST GOING TO IGNORE YOU.

OKAY THEN. NEXT QUESTION, TWO OTHER ISSUES VERY QUICKLY. I WON'T GO INTO THAT. BUT THERE WAS AN ARTICLE IN THE PAPER AND WE RECEIVED AN E-MAIL FROM MR. ECKERT REGARDING THE SOUTHEAST VOLUSIA AD AND SUGGESTING THAT PART OF THE REMEDY OR CURE FOR A SUNSHINE LAW -- WAS A SUNSHINE WORKSHOP. AND SEEING HIS COMMENTS IN THE PAPER. HERE'S THE THING. THERE HAVE BEEN ALLEGATIONS OF CRIMINAL CHARGES AGAINST SOME OF THOSE AD AUTHORITY BOARD MEMBERS. WE NEEDED A TERMINATION FROM THE STATE ATTORNEY. IF YOU COULD ASK -- TO JUST -- SOMETHING IN WRITING. THOSE AD AUTHORITY BOARD MEMBERS DESERVE CLOSURE ON THIS. THEY'VE BEEN THROUGH THE RINGER. SO IF YOU COULD ASK THE -- MR -- JUST FOR A LETTER OF DETERMINATION ON THEIR BEHALF.

YES, MA'AM.

WE NEED TO PUT RESOLUTION TO THAT. AND SPEAKING OF RESOLUTION. I WAS ACTUALLY EXPECTING -- I'M GOING TO BRING IT UP NOW BECAUSE IT WAS VERY UNCOMFORTABLE DURING THE VOTE AND WAS TOO PERSONAL. AND I WAS ACTUALLY WAITING TO BE CALLED OUT ON MY VOTE AND WHETHER OR NOT I EVEN QUALIFIED OR SOME OF US QUALIFIED TO VOTE AND I'M TALKING ABOUT THE PIONEER SQUARE VOTE BECAUSE MR. CHAIR, I REALLY NEED YOU TO CLARIFY AS CHAIR THE COUNTY COUNCIL YOU BELIEVE THERE'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH YOUR COLLEAGUES THAT WE VOTE AND YOU HAD OFFERED TO GET AND RAISE THAT ISSUE TODAY DURING THE VOTE AND YOU THINK THAT IT WOULD BE SUSPECT FOR THEM, MEANING ME, US, TO CAST ANY VOTE TO BEGIN WITH. THAT'S DISCONCERTING, MR. DAVIS. AS CHAIR OF THE COUNTY COUNCIL TO SAY THAT ABOUT YOUR COLLEAGUES.

THAT WAS NOT SAID.

I NEED THIS TO BE ON THE RECORD.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, YESTERDAY THIS PARTICULAR REPORTER CALLED ME ONCE AGAIN --

YOU'RE TALKING HENRY FREDERICK FOR THE RECORD.

AND I STATED TO HIM AGAIN YESTERDAY THERE IS NO VIOLATION OF ANY LAWS. THERE ARE NO VIOLATION OF ANY CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION ISSUES. THERE IS NO VIOLATIONS. WHAT DO YOU WANT? I'VE SAID THIS TO HIM AT LEAST THREE TIMES, THREE TIMES I HAVE SAID THIS. AS A MATTER OF FACT, I ACTUALLY SAID IF YOU CAN FIND ME A LAW OUT OF OUR ELECTIONS AND OUR FINANCE REPORTS AND ALL THAT GOOD STUFF, THEN YEAH, I'LL REQUEST FORTH WITH IT. BUT THERE'S NO LAW. IT DOESN'T EXIST.

SO YOU DIDN'T SAY THIS THEN?

NO.

YOU DID NOT SAY THAT?

RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE?

AS A MATTER OF FACT, THAT WAS ALL I HAD FOR THE EVENING.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION BECAUSE IT WAS --

IT WAS A TOTAL MISQUOTE AND [ OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ]

YOU SAID TO ME YOU WERE GOING TO BRING IT UP AND YOU DID NOT.

I COULDN'T --

THAT'S RIGHT. YOU LEFT.

CAN I CLARIFY THAT REAL QUICK FOR THE RECORD? DAM HEART ATTACKS. I WHEN YOU HAVE A PROCEDURE YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LETTER OF RELEASE FOR THE MANAGER. AND I HAD A SURGICAL PROCEDURE. THEY DID INSTALL LITTLE PIECES OF METAL INSIDE MY BODY NOW. THE DOCTOR SAID YOU AIN'T GOING ANYWHERE. YOU CAN DO YOUR STATE OF THE COUNTY AND YOU'RE COMING TO ME AT 12:30. YOU'RE GOING HOME. AND HE WOULD NOT RELEASE ME UNTIL THE 25th.

I APPRECIATE YOU CLARIFYING IT.

I CONTACTED THE NEWS JOURNAL THE NEXT DAY.

IT WASN'T IN THE NEWS JOURNAL.

OH, NO, NO. WE'RE ON TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES.

AND I WAS GOING TO CLARIFY IT THAT DAY LAST -- THAT THURSDAY BUT I GOT DRAGGED OUT.

BUT YOU'RE CLARIFYING NOW.

I JUST WANT TO ASK A QUESTION. IS THAT A PART OF THE PROCEDURE MANUAL THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE WRITTEN RELEASE FORM FROM THE PHYSICIAN?

BEFORE WE GO DOWN THERE -- [ OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ]

I CAME IN -- [ OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ]

WE'RE HAVING A DISCUSSION HERE. WE NEED CLARIFICATION ON A PROCEDURE, MEDICAL PROCEDURE THAT AN INDIVIDUAL, ONE OF OUR COUNCIL HAS. AFTER GETTING A LETTER OF RELEASE BECAUSE OF LIABILITY.

IF THAT IS A PART OF OUR PROCEDURE AND IF THERE IS A PROCEDURE MANUAL FOR COUNCILMEMBERS, THEN EITHER I'VE LOST IT. I DON'T REMEMBER HAVING BEEN ASKED THAT OR TOLD THAT IF YOU HAVE A MEDICAL PROCEDURE YOU HAVE TO GET A RELEASE.

YOU WERE NOT TOLD THAT. YOU'RE ELECTED OFFICIALS. MY CONCERN WAS HOW WE HANDLE ALL OTHER EMPLOYEES. WE DON'T ALLOW PEOPLE TO COME BACK UNTIL THEY GET A RELEASE. AND IN THIS CASE, WITH THE CHAIR -- BECAUSE HE WANTED TO COME STRAIGHT BACK RIGHT AFTER IT. I ASKED HIM AS A CONCERNED PERSON, ARE YOU ABLE TO COME BACK? HE TOLD ME YEAH. I SAID IS THE DOCTOR GIVING YOU A RELEASE. HE SAID I'LL GET ONE. AND THEN HE CALLED ME AND SAID THE DOCTOR WOULD NOT RELEASE HIM, OKAY? AND THEN I THOUGHT -- I DID NOT THINK IT HURT THAT IF YOU'RE COMING BACK FROM SERIOUS -- THAT HE WOULD PUT KNIT THE FILE. ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE THAT IF I ERRED, I ERRED ON THE SIDE OF SAFETY BECAUSE THE DOCTOR SAID NO TO HIM. THAT TELLS YOU SOMETHING.

WAIT A MINUTE --

I JUST THINK THAT IF THAT IS A POLICY OR A PART OF THE PROCEDURE, THEN WE OUGHT TO HAVE THAT. IT'S NOT A BAD IDEA. [ OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS ]

I THOUGHT IT WAS APPROPRIATE. I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT TO DO. OR EMPLOYEES CAN'T COME BACK ON SOMETHING SERIOUS. IF YOU ALL BELIEVE --

I WAS A PART OF MAKING THAT RULE.

THE POINT IS I DON'T THINK IT HURTS -- I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT A COLD OR SOMETHING. BUT WHEN OFF HEART ATTACK, I DON'T THINK IT HURTS TO HAVE SOMETHING IN THE FILE FOR YOUR OWN SAKE THAT YOU HAD A HEART ATTACK AND THE DOCTOR SAID YOU COULDN'T COME BACK. YOU KNOW WHAT? I HAD SOME CONCERNS THAT THE DOCTOR WAS -- I WAS SURPRISED AFTER THIS EVENT THAT HE WOULD LET HIM COME BACK LIKE THE MONDAY. SO WE HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. AND THEN HE SAID HE COULD COME BACK THURSDAY MORNING. I WAS A LITTLE SKEPTICAL, OKAY?

HE DID ALLOW ME TO COME BACK THURSDAY MORNING TO DO THE SPEECH.

I'LL COME BACK WITH THE RELEASE.

THAT AFTERNOON.

I'M GOOD, THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU.

IF I ERRED, IT WAS TRYING TO BE SAFE. WE'RE OVERLOADING.

POINT OF ORDER.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, MR. DAVIS.

WHOA, WHOA, WHOA, WHOA.

YOU CAN PUT IT DOWN.

HE MOVES FOR ADJOURNMENT.

IT IS NON-DEBATABLE.

I'LL JUST TAKE MY ISSUE STRAIGHT TO THE MANAGER.

CALL THE MOTION.

NO, NO, NO. POINT OF ORDER, THE FLOOR IS MS. NORTHY'S.

COULD I ASK YOU TO QUEUE THE PHOTOS. I JUST WANTED TO BUILD A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT JOYCE SAID ABOUT THE EVENT YESTERDAY. SUN REAL CELEBRATION. I HAVE BEEN GETTING CALLS ALL DAY ABOUT THE SUCCESS OF THE FIRST DAY OF SERVICE. I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A FREE SERVICE AND IT'S THE FIRST DAY. BUT THE ENTHUSIASM FOR THE WHOLE TRAIN RIDE DOWN TO ORLANDO AND THEN TODAY WAS INCREDIBLE. WE REALLY NEED -- THEY ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION, ARE THEY? I'M NOT LOOKING AT THE MANAGER. HE'S IGNORING US AGAIN.

WE GOT SOMETHING IN FRONT OF US.

HE WAS NOT LOOKING AT THE PICTURES.

I'M SORRY.

I JUST WENT OUT TO CLEAN UP MY COFFEE CUP.

I WANTED TO EXTEND MY THANKS TO THE STAFF FOR THE GREAT JOB THEY DID AT THE CELEBRATION FOR RIBBON CUTTING AND YESTERDAY FOR THE BELL RINGING. WE HAVE THREE BELLS COMING TO VOLUSIA COUNTY. HE WAS GOING TO BRING THEM BACK BUT THEY ARE TOO HEAVY. IT WAS A FULL TRAIN. A PARTY TRAIN, A CELEBRATORY EVENT. TODAY SEEMS TO BE THE SAME THING. AT 12:00 THEY WERE SENDING PEOPLE TO SANFORD TO PARK AT THE STATION THERE. I'M FEELING VERY GOOD ABOUT IT. IT DOES RAISE AN ISSUE ABOUT ADVERTISING THOUGH. WE HAVE A REQUEST FROM FLORIDA HOSPITAL WHO IS GOING TO BE DOING -- THEY'RE COMING I THINK IT'S AUGUST 1. WE'RE BRINGING UP SOME BIKES AND SOME OF THE EXECUTIVES AND THEY'RE GOING TO START DOING A -- WITH THE BICYCLING PEOPLE. THEY WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IF THEY CAN DO SOME ADVERTISING ON THE POLES AT THE PARK AND RIDE OR AT THE PARK -- AT THE PARKING LOT. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ADVANCED THAT FAR. BUT WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT. WHO CAN I ASK TO TAKE LEADERSHIP ON THAT?

THAT'S DAVE.

IF HE CAN GET WITH ME AT ANOTHER TIME. I WILL FORWARD THE E-MAIL TO DAVE ABOUT THAT. BUT HERE'S WHAT'S INTERESTING AND THEN I'M MOVE ON TO

SOMETHING ELSE. AND I'M SURE THAT JOYCE AND THE CHAIRMAN CAN CONFIRM THIS. EVERY STATION BUT VOLUSIA COUNTY HAS DEVELOPMENT AROUND IT. IT WAS VERY DISAPPOINTING THAT WE VANNED HOUSING, RETAIL, ALL KINDS OF DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPING AROUND THE RAIL LINE. AND YET, IT HASN'T HAPPENED. IT'S A LITTLE DISCOURAGING THAT WE HAVE NOT YET -- WE HAVE A BIG GREEN FIELD AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY DEVELOPMENT THERE. SO I WOULD HOPE THAT WHEN WE -- WHILE IT'S IN ALL OF OUR INTERESTS TO TRY AND DEVELOP THAT. AND THEY HAVE THE PLAN TOGETHER. BUT EVERY STATION EXCEPT US HAS DEVELOPMENT ALL AROUND IT. GROUND BREAKING FOR THE MISSING LINK IN DELTONA THAT LITTLE PIECE OF TRAIL THAT GOES UNDER I-4 THAT WAS THE BANE OF EVERYBODY. WOULD THE COUNCIL BE -- TO A RIBBON CUTTING.

I JUST WENT THERE YESTERDAY.

IT'S MOSTLY DONE. A RIBBON CUTTING IN JUNE ON THAT?

IT'S THE MISSING LINK UNDER I-4 THAT LINKS TWO MAJOR PARTS OF THE TRAIL.

AND IT'S IN DE-BARRY. IT'S THE -- WE HAD TO TAKE THAT SECTION THAT GOES UP AND AROUND BEHIND. CAN YOU MAKE THAT HAPPEN? YOU GOT A THUMBS UP, MA'AM.

AND ARE WE MAKING ANY PROBLEM ON BRINGING THE -- AND LASTLY I GAVE YOU ALL A COPY OF THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON SCENIC BYWAY. I SERVE ON THE ST. JOHN'S BYWAY. AND THAT'S WHY IT CAME TO ME. THEY ARE LOOKING TO EXTEND THE INDIAN RIVER LAGOON INTO THE BYWAY. THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO IT INTO VOLUSIA COUNTY. THEY NEED A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT FROM THE COUNCIL. I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE COULD PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA. IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THE RESOLUTION THAT WE DID TWO WEEKS AGO WITH THE HALIFAX BYWAY. IT'S THE SAME KIND OF DEAL. AND THIS IS JUST AN EXTENSION. IF I CAN ASK FDOT TO GET WITH OUR STAFF. IS THAT OKAY WITH EVERYBODY?

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM.

WE COULD DO IT NEXT MEETING.

AND THAT IS ALL FOR ME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. AND YOU TOOK MY FIRE AND I'M GOING TO PASS OVER THERE. MR.DINEEN.

NO ADDITIONAL COMMENTS.

MR. ECKERT.

CAN I JUST BRING UP ONE THING 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT TO DO IT. TODAY WITH THAT 10 MINUTES AND ALL THAT, CAN WE MAKE SURE WE DON'T LET THIS HAPPEN AGAIN. I JUST DON'T WANT -- NOW WE WANT TO GIVE -- 20 MINUTES.

WE'LL WORK ON A POLICY.

THAT'S ALL I NEED.

AS EVERYONE LEAVES, DID YOU ALL GET YOUR JUMP DRIVES THAT HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION?

FOR WHAT?

JUMP DRIVE FOR WHAT?

FOR OUR AUDITORS. OUR AUDITORS INFORMATION.

NO. WHERE.

RIGHT THERE.

PAT, YOU MIGHT HAVE WALKED OUT OF THE ROOM.

THAT'S A TRAIN WHISTLE.

NO, I DID NOT GET ONE.

WE'LL GET YOU ONE. DID EVERYBODY GET THEIR JUMP DRIVE? EVERYONE--

NO, I DIDN'T GET ONE.

WE'LL TALK TO YOU SEPARATELY.

ON THE 15th IS WHEN I WANT TO KNOW IF THERE'S ANY PEOPLE THAT YOU DO NOT WANT TO HEAR FROM.

I DON'T KNOW WHY I DIDN'T GET ONE.

I THINK YOU WALKED OUT OF THE ROOM WHEN THAT TOOK PLACE.

WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU.