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NONDESTRUCTIVE TESTING FEBRUARY 2012

CONFIRMED MINUTES

CONFIRMED MINUTESFEBRUARY, 20-23, 2012

SHERATON SAN DIEGO HOTEL & MARINASAN DIEGO, CA

These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.

Monday, February 20, 2012 to Thursday, February 23, 2012

1.0 OPENING COMMENTS

1.1 Call to Order / Quorum Check

The Nondestructive Testing Task Group (NDTTG) was called to order at 8:00 a.m., 20 Feb 2012.

It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion of the meeting.

A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:

Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)

NAME COMPANY NAME

* Stephen Bauer Northrop Grumman Corp* Philippe Beck Eurocopter* Juergen Burchards MTU Aero Engines

Manuel Cabrera The Boeing Company* Richard Costantino Goodrich Corporation

Grant Crawford Boeing Commercial AirplanesTim Ditch The Boeing Company

* Chris Dootson BAE SystemsLeandro Eduardo

PereiraEMBRAER SA

Dieter Frentzen Goodrich CorporationSteven Garner Eaton AerospaceLou Grijalva Lockheed MartinThomas (Mike)

Guinn Bell Helicopter

Harry Hahn GE Aviation* Greg Hall Cessna Aircraft Company

Martin Hauf Eurocopter* Robert Hogan Honeywell Aerospace

Mike Horky The Boeing Company* Phil Keown GE Aviation Chairperson

Jeff Koss The Boeing Company* Serge Labbe Heroux-Devtek, Inc* Donald MacLean Raytheon Company* Michael Mitchell Hamilton Sundstrand* Dale Norwood Parker Aerospace

Fernanda Novaes EMBRAER SAKathleen O’Connor The Boeing Company

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CONFIRMED MINUTES* Gary O’Neill Parker Aerospace

Earl Pruett Lockheed Martin* Robert Rainone Goodrich Corporation* Robert Reynolds The Boeing Company* Carl Roche Textron Systems* David Royce Pratt & Whitney Secretary

Victor Schonberger Israel Aerospace Industries* Bobby Scott Bombardier Vice Chairperson* Michael Shiplett Triumph Group Inc

Roger Sines Honeywell Aerospace* Chris Stevenson Rolls-Royce PLC

Terho Sulkupuro Volvo Aero Corporation* Scott Sullivan Honeywell Aerospace* Pat Thompson Honeywell Aerospace* Dominique Tomasso SAFRAN Group* Peter Torelli The Boeing Company* David Vaughn Spirit AeroSystems* Tony Warren Airbus

Jim Winter Spirit AeroSystemsGregory Wryk Goodrich Corporation

Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)

NAME COMPANY NAME

Rob Ahlquist US CastingsChristopher Anderson PCC StructuralsJorge Armendariz CIMAVSteve Arrington Dixon Hard Chrome

* Michael Ashton Hexcel KentAlex Bagarry GKN Aerospace Service

* Andy Bakewell E. M. Inspection Co. Ltd.Shawn Ballou Wyman GordonNancy Bennett Cetified Inspection Service Co.

Inc* Mario Franco Bianchi Bytest S.r.l.* Martyn Bills Exova UK Ltd

Fred Binda Ozark Mountain Technologies Inc.

Robert Bosio Elite Metal Finishing, LLCKelly Boulard ElectromekRon Brown Triumph Composite SystemsDwayne Cooper RTI International Metals, Inc.Ray Cosgrove NDE, IncLarry Culbertson QNDT Services

* Robert Custer AAA Plating & Inspection, Inc.David Darrow Precision Metal ProdDouglas Davies Alcoa Fastening SystemsJose Delgadillo Aircraft Xray Laboratories, Inc.Dave Dittenber Barnes Aerospace Lansing

DivisionMichael Dudley Aerocom Inspection Service

LimitedFabienne DuFour Sherwin Babb CoKenneth Felt Primus International UniversityKay Fisher Bohler Edelstahl GmbH & Co. KGSarah Fuqua Kearfott Guidance & Navigation

* Richard Gasset Lisi Aerospace

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CONFIRMED MINUTES* David Gray Mitchell Labs

Bob Henchar X-R-I Randy Hite PCC Airfoils-PortlandRick Ingram Skills IncJeff Jones Alloy Processing, Inc.Hubert Kern FACC AG

* Richard King New Hampshire Ball BearingsDon Klein Arrow GearRichard Kline X-R-I TroyMichael Kocka Arrow GearSally Leal Hitco Carbon CompositesSharon Mack PM Testing Laboratory IncMichael May Decisive TestingPaul May Orange Coast TestingCory McGraw PM Testing Laboratory IncBill McKessy Howmet Corp/Hampton Casting

(HHC)Norm Miller Senior Aerospace, Ketema

DivisionDave Mitchell Mitchell NDT Associates, LLCJuan Moreno Omni Metal FinishingKatsumi Nagasaki Mitsubishi Heavy Industries LtdThomas Newton Aircraft Xray Laboratories, Inc.Blair O'Connell Precision Castparts CorpKevin O'Steen Valley Metals, LLCThomas Owens PacSci Inergetic Matls Hollister

OpsMike Palatas Gardena Specialized ProcessingRobert Pedro SPX Precision ComponentsJuan M. Perez Aircraft Xray Laboratories, Inc.Manfred Podlech IMPEric Pool PCC SSBO

* Jonathan Pugh Exova UK LtdSteve Raddich Jorgensen ForgeGabriel Reyes Consolidated Precision Products

* Cindy Roth Team Industrial ServicesDominic Ruiz P.B. Fasteners A PCC CompanyVicki Salzarulo Kaman Aerospace CorpTammi Schubert LMI Aerospace IncSteve Senne Aircraft Xray Laboratories, Inc.Eloiza Sierra New Hampshire Ball BearingsGreg Smotherman Ozark Mountain Technologies

Inc.Nick Stacey Praxair Surface Technologies LtdDavid Staten Eaton AerospaceJackie Sternot PAKO, Inc.David Struckman EatonTony Valencia Garfield Metal FinishingJoan Vidal Consolidated IndustriesDan Walsh Triumph Composite SystemsJayne Warrender Stainless Plating LtdJason Webb US CastingsWilfried Weber PFW Aerospace AGJoanne Weinoe Golden State Magnetic &

Penetrant Lab* Gary White Orbit Industries Inc.

Bob Whitfield Presicion Metal ProductsDonald Wilson KAMAN Composites Wichita

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CONFIRMED MINUTESRob Yocom Imagineering Finishing Tech.Robert Zipse Senior Aerospace

PRI Staff Present

James BennettMike Gutridge

1.2 The Chair gave the Introduction presentation that addressed conflict of interest, code of Ethics / Conduct. This was given at the beginning of the open and closed sessions,

1.3 The Nadcap criteria for Open vs. Closed meetings were presented during the Open session.

1.4 Minutes from the previous minutes were reviewed during the open session. Suggested revisions were identified by Andy Bakewell and discussed further.

Motion made by Mike Mitchell & seconded by Dave Vaughn to amend the October minutes in paragraph 15.0 to: “that if there is one Inspector at a facility he/she can process the three compliance jobs at the same time if processed to an identical technique”. Motion Passed

Motion made by Scott Sullivan & seconded by Dave Vaughn to accept the October 2011 as amended. Motion Passed

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to modify the October minutes and post accordingly. DUE DATE: 15-Mar-12

2.0 SUBSCRIBER – BREAK OUT SESSIONS – CLOSED

The Sub Groups met and discussed various items applicable to their groups.

3.0 TASK GROUP REGULAR BUSINESS ITEMS – CLOSED

The requirements for “open / closed” meetings were presented and discussed. The Task Group follows the Nadcap policies for such meetings.

There were 10 Auditor Observations performed since October 2011.

#138910 – Observed by Pete Torelli#139001 – Observed by Joonhee Han#135489 – Observed by David Ciosek#142544 – Observed by William Bronecke#140322 – Observed by Richard Constantino#140070 – Observed by David Vaughn#139916 – Observed by Michael Shiplet#140584 – Observed by David Vaughn

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CONFIRMED MINUTES#143436 – Observed by Tony Warren#146923 – Observed by Mario Llisevic

The comments made by the observers were discussed with the result that no actions were required,

Auditor development was discussed.

Scope Extensions - There were no Scope Extension audits since October 2011.

Accreditation Extensions - There were fourteen Accreditation Extension requests received. A number of extensions were granted as a result of the disaster in Japan.

One Auditor Advisory was issued, 12-01 NDT. Auditor Advisory 10-01 NDT was withdrawn.

Seven Supplier Advisories were issued since October 2011.

Lapsed Accreditations - Five accreditations have lapsed out of 1011 (0.05%) for 2011. Two have lapsed since October 2011.

Audit report review percentage is at 41% overall for quorum. A rate of 10% is required.

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to review the possibility of comparing NDT delegation review percentages (Subscribers reviewing audits) with other commodities. DUE DATE: 30-May-12

4.0 TG RESOLUTIONS & CLOSED DISCUSSION POINTS – CLOSED

None submitted

5.0 ETHICS & APPEALS – CLOSED

Confidentiality issues were discussed.

6.0 NEW BUSINESS – CLOSED

Task Group review of ballots and the “new” ballot system on eAuditNet was discussed. One does not need to disapprove the ballot to have a comment addressed. Participation is encouraged.

The proposed revised numbers to NOP-011 mode B (based on 2011 metrics) were discussed. This was brought up at the closed session as confidential data was available for discussion. No voting or decision making was made as this is to be discussed in the open session for voting or discussions on a decision by the Task Group.

NMC has requested NDT, Heat Treat and Chemical Processing to review proposed auditor consistency metrics data. The task groups were requested to indicate which metrics would be used and if any recommendations could be made and reported to NMC.

Motion made by Scott Sullivan & seconded by Dave Vaughn to keep the NCR paragraph data, the red line data and eliminate the scatter data. Motion Passed

Motion made by Scott Sullivan & seconded by Dave Vaughn to review the Auditor data annually. Motion Passed

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to Notify NMC representative of the NDT Task Group recommendations associated with the Auditor Consistency Initiative that was presented during the Feb Task Group Meeting. DUE DATE: 10-Mar-12

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CONFIRMED MINUTESThere are two new User Voting Members acknowledged by the Chair: Terho Sulkupuro of Volvo, and Thomas (Mike) Guinn of Bell Helicopter.

Mike in addition has reviewed the required number of audits and was administered the audit report reviewer presentation to meet the requirements of NTGOP-001 App I for audit review.

Motion made by Bob Reynolds & seconded by Dave Vaughn to approve Mike Guinn as an Audit reviewer Motion Passed

Manny Cabrera of The Boeing Co. is new to the group and received the new Subscriber training.

7.0 SUPPLEMENTS – CLOSED

None presented.

8.0 PRI REPORT / RAIL / NMC METRICS - OPEN

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to review the compliance job NDT Newsletter article to verify it is in line with the modifications made to the minutes during the Feb Task Group meeting (associated with compliance).. DUE DATE: 19-Mar-12

The Staff Report was presented.

9.0 CLARIFICATION DATABASE - OPEN

The clarification database was presented by Andy Bakewell and discussed. This database can be found in eAuditNet.

ACTION ITEM: The PT sub Group will determine the requirements for the materials (solvent liquids) utilized for the bleed-back process. DUE DATE: 31-JUN-12

10.0 SUPPLIER REPORT & DISCUSSION - OPEN

Gary White presented the Supplier Support Committee Report.

11.0 ADHOC PANEL REPORTS - OPEN

Agenda items 12 & 16 were also discussed at this point.PRI Staff is now utilizing a “four square” chart for recording the action of the sub groups. The four square charts were presented and sub group activities discussed for each of the Adhoc Groups and Method Groups: Auditor Development, PT - ASTM E 1417 revisions, MT - ASTM E 1444 revisions, DDA (presentation was given by Chris Stevenson), RT – ASTM E 1742 revisions, Eddy

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CONFIRMED MINUTESCurrent – Checklist update, one Auditor (PRI SE) has been identified for ET to conducted training and will give exams.

Method sub teams will be breaking out later to address these proposed changes into the proposed checklist change form.

12.0 METHOD CHAIR REPORT OUTS - OPEN

Included with the Adhoc Panel reports above.

13.0 NADCAP AND NDT PROCEDURE REVIEW - OPEN

The revisions to the following were presented: NIP 4-02, NIP 7-02, NIP 7-03, NIP 7-06, and NIP 8-01. All documents can be found on eAuditNet.

14.0 TECHNICAL ISSUES AND OPEN DISCUSSION ITEMS - OPEN

Scott Sullivan provided an update on a survey that was sent to Voting Members regarding the etch inspection process. The NDT TG is trying to enhance the process as it relates to NDT.

A question was presented to the task group in that an individual had been told that calibration labs will require accreditation to ISO 17025. This is not true for the Nadcap program; however some Subscribers may have the requirement.

15.0 CHECKLIST REVISION PROCESS - OPEN

The checklist revision process has been documented (mapped out on PowerPoint). The process was presented and discussed.

The underlining aspect is that the checklists will only be modified and balloted once a year. The sub-teams will review potential changes to the checklist throughout the year (as they are supplied to PRI Staff) proposing recommendations. At the February meeting all proposed checklist changes for the next revision will be finalized and the checklist modified accordingly. Any proposed changes submitted after the February task group meeting or aspects that cannot be resolved will go to the following revision.

A presentation was given on the actions and responsibilities of the Sub Teams. Supplier participation in sub teams / ad-hoc panels is the “Nadcap model”. The proposal is to have Supplier Voting Members (SVM’s) on each sub team. SVM’s would be allowed to be on one of the method sub teams. SVM’s may be involved in more than one ad-hoc panel (temporary sub teams). Each sub team / ad-hoc panel must be comprised of at least 51% of Subscriber Members. NTGOP-001 Appendix I will be revised to reflect this proposal. PRI staff have been requested to publish the proposed checklist change spreadsheet. PRI Staff agreed indicating that it would be updated three times per year to coincide with the task group meetings.

ACTION ITEM: PRI to modify and post Proposed checklist changes flow chart. Modify the last slide regarding the review of ballot comments and the need to involve sub teams (after technical comments). DUE DATE: 20-Mar-12

ACTION ITEM: NTGOP-001 App 1 Sub Team to review proposed changes and provide recommendations to the Task Group for the next TG meeting. Ongoing need to review results. DUE DATE: 23-Feb-12

Motion made by Gary White & seconded by Dave Vaughn to approve Bob Henchar of XRI Testing, Dwayne Cooper of RTI, Bill McKessy of Alcoa Howmet, Rob Yocom of Imagineering, Dave Mitchell of Composite Solutions, and Christopher Andersen of PCC Structurals as Supplier Voting Members. Motion Passed

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ACTION ITEM: Nadcap Blue Book attendees guide to be updated with the latest Subscriber Voting members and Supplier Voting Members. DUE DATE: 1-Jun-12

The chair confirmed to PRI Staff that Rick King from New Hampshire Ball Bearing may retain his SVM status due to the circumstances that prevented attendance at the October 2011 meeting.

SVM’s and User Voting Members (UVM’s) have been appointed to the following method teams:

AC 7114 - Rick Gasset, Cindy Roth, Dwayne Cooper

AC7114/1 - Andy Bakewell, Dave Gray, Philippe Beck (UVM), Terho Sulkupuro (UVM)

AC7114/2 - Claude Chambon, Philippe Beck (UVM)

AC7114/3 - Mike Ashton, Gary White, Dave Mitchell, Uri Sol (UVM)

AC7114/4 - Christopher Andersen, Mario Bianchi, Bob Reynolds (UVM), Steve Bauer (UVM)

AC7114/5 - Rick King

AC7114/6 - Bob Henchar, Bill McKessy

SVM’s and UVM’s have joined the following Adhoc groups:

Etching - Gary White, Rick King, Lou Truckley (UVM)

Supplier Symposium - Gary White, Dwayne Cooper, Scott Sullivan (UVM), Dave Vaughn (UVM), Phil Known (UVM), Tony Warren (UVM), Pat Thompson (UVM)

16.0 ASTM CHANGES / CHECKLIST COMPARISON REVIEW - OPEN

Reviewed in item 11.0.

17.0 CHECKLIST DISCUSSION - OPEN

Proposed changes to the checklists were presented as part of the newly agreed method sub-teams and addressed in item 22.

18.0 NEW BUSINESS – OPEN

David Gray asked what is the time frame for implementation of a revised ASTM? Most individuals say 6 months, but is there a definitive answer? The answer is simply that the company utilizing the ASTM’s are responsible for meeting the Nadcap checklist when the requirements are identified in the checklist. The company is also required to verify with their customers. Different customers will apply different methods. Some may use the date of when the PO was released, others may apply something different.

Control of Nadcap documents, such as the checklist attachments (personnel listing, NDT equipment information, etc) was discussed. In regards to these documents, it is permissible to

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CONFIRMED MINUTESdevelop a similar format (providing it contains the same information), however changing the Nadcap document is not allowed. Some companies have used the Nadcap attachments and modified the revision of such documents. These Word documents are provided to allow companies to input the information electronically rather than writing and scanning a pdf version.

A question was asked regarding the acceptability of on-line training as part of the qualification process. The Chair indicated that this question has been posed to the AIA committee and is an agenda item at the upcoming AIA meeting.

An NCR was issued in an audit report package regarding the use of test pieces (actual parts) with known defects, used for system performance test, that are of a size larger than the acceptance criteria. The ASTM appears to be in conflict. Discussion ensued surrounding this issue, however, to prevent any release of information regarding the audit, it was decided that this would be addressed in a closed session.

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to provide the AIA response to the issue of on line training. DUE DATE: 31-MAY-12

NOP-011 – PRI Staff presented the latest metric numbers provided by NMC to address the annual review of the NOP-011 mode B (Excessive number of NCR’s) failure criteria. Noting that NDT TG have not modified their failure numbers for at least 2 annual reviews, the significance of utilizing the proposed numbers could have a significant effect on the number of audits that will fail and the number of companies that could lose extended frequency through the merit program.

Discussion ensued regarding the proposed numbers.

Motion made by Dave Royce & seconded by Bobby Scott to approve the NOP-011 failure threshold of 98%. Motion Defeated

Motion made by Pete Torelli & seconded by Andy Bakewell to approve the Staff Engineer proposed failure threshold of 99%. Motion Passed

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to provide numbers to document owners for inclusion in the next revision of NOP-011. DUE DATE: 15-Mar-12

Proposed changes to NTGOP-001 Appendix I were presented.

Motion made by Scott Sullivan & seconded by Bob Reynolds to limit the Chairpersons time in office to a maximum of 2 consecutive terms. Motion Defeated

ACTION ITEM: The proposed changes to NTGOP-001 will be sent to a break out team for resolution. DUE DATE: 30-Apr-12

19.0 SSC REPORT OUT ON THE SSC MEETING - OPEN

Gary White gave the SSC presentation.

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CONFIRMED MINUTES20.0 SUPPLIER SYMPOSIUM – NCR RESPONSES - OPEN

The symposium took place and was attended by 67 suppliers and subscribers.

21.0 CHAIR REPORT OUT ON THE ROUND TABLE - OPEN

Discussion revolved on the necessities of the meeting.

AS 9100 Rev B to Rev C - The due date is still July 2012, however due to Auditor availability, if not accredited by July the accreditation will be suspended till January 2013. If not completed by January 2013 the accreditation will be withdrawn. The Nadcap process will be revised to temporarily allow “suspension” to be an acceptable AS 9100 condition.

22.0 SUB-TEAM BREAKOUT SESSIONS - OPEN

The method sub group / ad-hoc teams convened to review proposed checklist changes following comments from representatives and also to address the ASTM changes.

Regarding the use of visual light for assessment of indications, is it required to maintain a specific light intensity as is for magnetic particle?

ACTION ITEM: The PT sub group were requested to investigate with the possibility of changing the checklist. DUE DATE: 30-Jun-12

ACTION ITEM: Pete Torelli to develop a mini survey for the Subscribers to answer in regard to the white light intensity requirements when assessing PT indications. PRI Staff to support. DUE DATE: 1-Apr-12

23.0 CHAIR REPORT OUT ON THE PLANNING AND OPS & NMC - OPEN

One commodity TG feels there are too many frivolous appeals regarding accreditation, audit failures, NCR review, etc. After some investigation it appears that this issue is isolated to this commodity and was tabled.

An NMC team is looking at audits in dangerous locations and the extension process.

NMC is looking at Suppliers reducing scope during an audit. If one method is a projected poor outcome Suppliers are dropping that method. An NOP revision is being investigated.

Auditor capacity charts indicate a lot of capacity however audits are being delayed due to issues. Smart checklist was discussed.

PRI Nadcap needs to strength ties with the standards committees.

There is a potential for four new Task Groups to be formed and are being investigated at this time: Dimensional (CMM), MRO, Castings and Forging, and Raw Materials. .

NMC dashboards expected to be rolled out in March; these are health indicators for the Task Groups.

PRI needs to investigate ITAR/EAR information in RCCA on Supplier Advisory responses.

24.0 DEVELOP AGENDA FOR JUNE 2012 - OPEN

PRI Staff presented the new agenda template that will be used by all commodities for the July meeting in Berlin.

Item topics to be discussed are as follows:

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Usual Business General OPEN Business Symposium Discussion of the recommendations from the Sub-Teams proposals Auditor Conference

The Auditor conference is being held in October for which there is a need to develop the training for the NDT Auditors. An Adhoc group has been formed to develop the plan. Refer to method sub group / ad-hoc team presentation for representatives.

25.0 RAIL & CLARIFICATION DATABASE REVIEW – OPEN

The RAIL items developed from this meeting were discussed in addition to the previous actions on the RAIL to verify if any could be closed out. This also applied to the clarification database that was presented by Andy Bakewell.

26.0 MEETING FACILITATION FEEDBACK - OPEN

Microphones are necessary for all to be heard during the meetings, this was pointed out by the NMC Oversight Auditor. Representatives need to allow PRI Staff to supply the microphone prior to addressing the task group.

ADJOURNMENT – 23-FEB-12 – Meeting was adjourned at 12:30 p.m.

Minutes Prepared by:

David N. RoycePratt & Whitney400 Main Street M/S 114-01East Hartford CT [email protected]

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