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TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATE : 11-28-79
1 .Paae Ttae Speaker Information
1 12:00 Speaker Redmond House to order
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Clerk O'Brien Prayer
Speaker Redmohd Recess
1:25 Speaker Redmond House to order
Clerk o'Briea Committee Reports
Speaker Redmond
2 Skinner Point of order
Speaker Redmond '
lPler ce ,
Speaker Redmond
Simms HB 2428, recoru as 'yes' I
3 Speaker Redmond II
Martin, Peggy HB 2839 jlSpeaker Redmond Roll call for attendancel1
.4 Clerk o'Brien Committee reportsI
Speaker Redmond lI
Mudd
' Speaker Redmond
Matelek Introduction
Speaker Redmond Roll call fer attendance
l' Ryan '
1 :45 Anderson Introduction . $
Speaker Redmond
Madigau Excused absenee ll
Speaker Redmond
5 Hartfn, Peggy Renews motion HB 2839
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TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATE: 11-28-79
2.Paae Time Speaker Info= tion
Speaker REdmond
Dfprfma
Speaker Redmond
Walsh objects to 89 votes
6 Speaker Redmond Motion prevails
7-8 Cunnfngham HB 32 move to 0VR
Speaker Redmond
Ewing Yield? l9 cunningham I
lo McMaster
Speàker Redmond i'
jSkinaer tl
Speaker Redmoud
l l Rigney Yield jl l1I 11 Cunningham I
' j2:05 Hart 1
' Speaker Redmond PPC
13-14 Totten PPP (Governor's comments)
1' Speaker Redmond
Kosinski1l Speaker Redmond
15 Matilevich PPP
Speaker Redmond
Ceo-karis PPP (I :
I speaker Redmond16 Mann PPP
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TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATE: 11-28-79
I 3.Paae Time Speaker Infonu tion
17-18-19 Griesheimer HB 168: move to OVR
Speaker Redmond
20 Mann Oppose OVR
Speaker Redmond
21 Matijevich
Speaker Redmond
22 Johnson
speaker Redmond
'23 Stuffle
speaker Redmond
Bluthardt1
I11 Speaker RedmondlI 2:29 Mulcahey MPQ .i1' speaker Redmond
. l24-25-26 Grfesheimer To close '
' . speaker Redmond .
1 Vincent Urge no vote11i Speaker Redatond
' Stiehl ' Record me 'no llil Speaker Redmond HB l68I
Griesheimer PPC
27 Speaker Redmond
1I 28 Bowman HB 1270 move to 0VR
speaker Redmond
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TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATE: 47-vA-7q
4.Page Tlme Speaker Infor= tton
30 Speaker Redmond PPC
31 Jaffe HB 2506, move to OVR )
Speaker Redmond
32 Holewinski
Ewing Urge 0VR
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Mautino Yield?
33 Jaffe ISpeaker Redmond 1I
35 Satterthwaite Yield
2:53 Jaffe
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36 Johnson l;l :
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speaker Redmond
40 Jaffe
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TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATE: 11-28-79
5 .
PaRe Time Speaker Information
Speaker Redmond
S chuneman
Sp eaker Redmond
4 2 Jo hns o n Po s s ib le ve ri f i c a t i on
Speaker Redmond
Pullen
S eaker Redmond 'P
43 3:12 Bluthardt Supports 0VR
Speaker Redmond
Jacobs Supports OVR
44 Speaker Redmond!l1 Griesheimar
Speaker Redmond
1 II Deavers verification1l i
Speaker Redmond IlClerk Hall Polls absentees 1l
Redmond ISpeaker
i Clerk Hall Affirmatfve roll call1!
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speaker Redmond
Deavers Questions affirmative roll
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TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATE: 11-28-79
1. .
6 .Paqe Time Speaker Information
Mulcahey HB 2529 move to 0VR
1 'Spehker Redmond
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Speaker Redmoad
CunninghamII speaker MadigawII50 Ryan1
Clerk o'Brien HR 1162 (Speaker Redmond) Ispeaker Redmond I
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! 52 Speaker Redmond1 l@ spêàker Madfgan1! .I :I Ryan Requests Republicaa eonf.
I' Speàker Madigan1 .i l' iicalu Asks aboùt returning to H8.2529j @1$ Speaker Madigan
111 .Speaker RedmondlMulcahey To close I
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TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATE: 11-28-79
7Page Time Speaker Information
speaker Redmond HB 2529 lost
Ryan 30 minute rec'ess
3:41 Speaker Redmond 4:15
clerk o'Brien ISpeaker Rëdmond j
Clerk o'Brien Resolution
Speaker Redmond
54 Ciorgi
speaker Redmond Resolutions adopted ,
Clerk O'Brien Introduction & 1st Reading
speaker Redmond
IMadigan Move tc susp. rule 33-: 1
Speaker Redmond ll l
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clerk O'Brien Reads bills p!1Ryan No objections
Speaker Redmond Attendaace roll call used
Clerk o'Brlen HB 3419, 2nd. no CAI
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lclerk O'Brien HB 3420. 2ady //1 adopted 1l
55 Speaker Redmond 3rd readiag 1lclerk OfBrien HB 3422. 2ndy #1 1
14:45 Speaker Redmond.
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Speaker Rednond Adopted, 3rd reading1
clerk O 'Brien HB 3423. 2nd, no CA
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TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATE : 11-28-79
8.Page Time Speaker Information
I speaker Redmond
clerk O'Brien //1 faileds #t
speaker Redmond
57 4:48 Ryan
speaker Redmond Adopted. 3rd reading
clerk o'Brien HB 3424. 2nd. #1 fafled #2adopted
speaker Redmond 3rd '
clerk o'Brien 3425, 2ndy no CA
speaker Redmond 3rd
Clerk o'Brfen HB 3426, 2nd, no CA
58 Speaker Redmond 3rd reading
l Clerk O 'Brien HB 3427. 2nd. no CA
speaker Redmond
clerk O'Brien Floor amendment 11l I1 :
Speaker Redmond
19 Zcclain '
Speaker RedmondI
Keats Yield
l .l Mcclain - 'I
speaker Redmond
60-61 Catania
speaker Redmond
62 4:56 Madfgan Questfon
Catanfa
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Pullen
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TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATEI 11-28-79
9.Paqe Time Speaker Information
speaker Rkdmond
Mann Asks Hcclain 'to explain
64 Mcclain
speaker Redmoad
65 Mann oppose amendment
speaker Redmond
66 Brummer
speaker Redmond
Mcclain
speaker Rédmond
Davis, C.
1 speaket RèdmondI $
Catania!
Speaker RedmondI
67 FCEOVS '
Speaker Redmond
68 Catania
Speaker Redmond
t .. .. . . 5:yc neuster
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79 Ewell
Speaker Redmond
70 Mann
speaker Redmond I. l
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1Sp eaker Re dmond Amendment f ai ls y 3rd reading
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TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATE: 11-7a-7q
10.Page Time Speaker Infor= tion
Speaker Redmond 3rd reading
Clerk o'Brien HB 3429, 2nd, no CA
Speaker Redmond 3rd reading
71 Clerk O'Brien HB 3430: 2nd, no CA
Speaker Redmond 3rd reading
Clèrk o'Brien HB 3432, 2nd, no CA '
Speaker Lechowicz 3rd reading
clerk O'Brfen HB 3433. 2nds #1 adopted lISpeaker Lechowicz TOOR
clerk O 'Brfen HB 3433. 2nd, #1 adopted
Speaker REdmend '''11:- l
Icierk OfBrien Floor Amendment #2I
I speaker Lechowtcz l! 172 Mcclain I
lSpeaker Lechowfcz
5:19 Hoffman . Support
! 'Speaker Lechowicz #2 adopted
Mcclain //3
I Speaker Lechocicz
' j73 Ewing
Speaker Lechowicz ' , lHoffman
Speaker Lechowicr
74 Stuffle
Speaker Lechowicz ik t
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TRANSCRIPTION INDEX DATE: 11-28-79
11.
PaRe lime Speaker Informatfon
. Brady '
Speaker Lechowicz
Bradley Support '
Speaker Lechowicz
76 Eving TO closelI
Speaker Lechowicz Amendment fails
Clerk O'Brien Floor Amendment #4I
speaker Lechovicz ' IPolk
Speaker Lechowicz
l Zadisonj '1,! speaker Lechowicz1'l FolkI l1.177 speaker Lechowicz 11 ,.T 1Ij ;
Stuffle 1l . lSpeaker Lechowicz .1
' j5:27 Polk Explains Amendment
1' Speaker LechowfczllII Stuffle!1 Speaker Lechowicr
IPolk To close t
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clerk O 'Brien HB 3434, 2ad. no CA
Speaker Lechowicz 3rd reading
clerk o 'Brien 3437. 2ndy no CA
ISpeaker Lechowicz 3rd reading$; Jl
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Speaker Ledhovicz 3rd reading
79 Clerk O'Brlen HB 3442. 2nd, no CA
Speaker Lechowidz 3rd readïng !
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Speaker Lechowicx ll84-85 Totten Support
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Speaker Lechowicz lthwaite Explain vote Isatter
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93 Cunningham
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Hoffman '
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speak er Lechowicr
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l04 Mudd Urge 'aye' vote
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Speaker Lechovicz HB 2539I105 Tfpsword
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Sp eaker Lechovic z HB 2539 f ai ls
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Doorkeeper: 'êAttention Members of the Hous'e of Represeatatives,
the House will convene ln fifteen minutes.''
Doorkeeper: î'Persons not entitled to the House floor. pleaseo..v''
Speaker Redmond: HThe House will come to order. Will 1ed in
-. prayer by Jack O êBrfen , the Clerk.''
Clerk OlBrien : 'îLet us pray. Lord bless this Rouse and a11
.1 ' those who serve and work here. Amen .''
Speaker Redmond: l'Any additions or corrections? Representatfv
Matijevich.''
Matijevfch: ''one additfon, hmmmmmmmo''
speaker Redmond: ''Due to the overcrowded conditions here where
everybody is sitting in everybody elses seats I think th
House better be at ease to the call of tbe Chair. My
puess would be three quarters of an hour. At easeo''
Speaker Redmond: DThe Housç wfll come to ordery Members please
be in their seats. Committee reports.''
Clerk O'Brien : î'Representative Schneiderx Chairman from the
Committee on Elementary and Secondary Educatfon s to whic
the following Bills were referred. Action taken Novembe
28, 1978, reporied the same back wfth the follocfng
reconuaendation. Do pass as amended House B1l1 3433.
Representative E.M . Barnes, Chairman from the Committee
on Appropriations 11 to which the following Bills vere
referred. Action taken November 28, 1978. reported the
same back wfth the folloufng recomxendatfons. De pass
House Bills 3426, 3427, 3430, 3434. 3437 aad 3438. Do
pass as amended House Bill 3420 and 3444.''
Speaker Redmond : ''Representative Skinner.''
Skinner: ''Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. Apparently
on contradfctfon to the House rules there fs a meno that
has been passed out to.k..at least my desk and perhaps
the other Republicans. ' Which sayss cost of Democrat vet
override motions. This memo is unsigned, I understand,
however, it comes from the Budget Bureau. I'm particula y
fnteresred of course fn House B;11 2707 for whïch rhe
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price has doubled since the 'fiscal pote that was filed
this spring. And I oblect strenuously to tbe distributi
of material that is not sigaed, number one. And aumber
two, I object even more strenuously to material that ls
put out that fs absolutely false. And this is absolutel
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speaker Redmoud : ''Representative Pierce.''
Pferce: ''Mr. Speakerm I agree hea'rtlly and a'100Z wlth the
Gentleman from McHenry. The next U .S. Senator from the
State of Illinois. That the Bureau of the Budgeto.oothe
Bureau of the Budget is operatfng lfke a flacka a second
rate publicist for the Executive.w..chief Exec'utive of t is
state and propagandizing this Legislature with its phony
figures fn a very unprofessional manaer. Not only bully-
' ing the Republfcans there by putting matèrfal on their
desk without Representative Ryaa's approval or the
speaker's approvaf. but in general by shfftfng their
figures where they ffnd it convenient, by flying around
' the statey going to editorial boards at state expense to
oppose Bills passed by this General lssembly. And I thi k
the Gentleman from McHenry is 100Z correct...let the
:ureau of the Budget be the Governor 's campafgn manager
for Presfdent if they want to be but have them keep out
of here with a11 their changing of figures and the cheap
unprofessional eonduct.o
Speaker Redmond: ''Representatfve Sfm1s....''
Pïèrce : ''God bless Mayor Bilandic.'l
Stmms: ''Mr. speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House , I
would like unanimous consent to be recorzed as voting
'yes' on House Bi11 2428, which was taken yesterday . I
assumed I had pressed my greea button but evidently
I did not register it. I would ask consent that I 6e
recorded as vottng 'yes'. It will not change the outcom
of the votea'f
speaker Redmond: ''Is there any objection? No objection. leave
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is granted. w...didn't ask me. Representative Peggy
Smith Martfn , you rise with respect 'to a motion on House
Bill 2839. Is that correct? Please gfve the Lady order.''
Martin: ''Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Having voted on th
prevailing sides 1 move to reconsider the vote by which
the motion to pass House Bi11 2839 over the veto of the
Covernor was lost . on yesterday. That's regarding the
Pioneer Plaza...memorial plaza.''
Speaker Redmond: HIs there any discussion?''
Martin: ''For further infèrmation I would like to yield to
Representative Lewis DiPrima.'ê
Srcaker Redmond l HThis fs a Bill that Representative DiFrima
moved to pue on Postponed Consfderatfon bue ft had been)
deelared lost ' so this is a parliamentary procedure
in order that Bepresentatfve Diprima can put h1s Bill
in the posture that he desires it. Now i: there aùy furt er
discussion? ;he question 'is on the Lady's motion that
the House reconsider the vote by which House Bill 2839
was declared lost. Those in favor say 'aye'....may we
use the Attendance Roll Call? We're having some problem
with the buttons. Hearing no objection, we will use
the Attendance Roll Call. Roll Call for attendance. 'fh y
tell me the buttons aren 't workinga..oh, they are workin
now. .....do this. Well/'I gcess we*ll just have to
call the roll. Would it be possible to have a11 the lig ts
up there, determine the result of this vote; Purpose of
per diem . only those that appear on the board will be
' pàfd. Is that correct? Conmfttee Reports.''
Clerk o'Brien: ''Representative Matijevfch, Chairman of the
committee on Appropriations I whfch the following Bllls
were referred. Action taken November 28> 1978. reported
the same back with tùe following recommeadations. Do
pass House Bills 3419. 3422. 3423, 3425. 3428. 3429, 363 ,
3439 and 3442. Do pass as amended House Bill 3424. Do
not pass House Bf11 3435. Tabled by the Sponsor, House
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Bill 3417 and 3431.'î
Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Mudd, seeking recognition?''
Nudd: HWe have leave for t:e last unanimous?'ê
speaker Redmond: ''Representative Matejek. Representative Matejeko''
Matejek: î'Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Bousea I
vould lfke to take thfs opportunfty to fntroddce to you
a fine group of young people from my distrfct. The Sout
Holland Law Enforcement Explorers Post 416. They are
accompanied wfth thefr advfsor, offfcer Tommy Collier of
the South Holland Police Department. In the rear galler .''
Speaker Redmond: ê'Representative Luft...there is an impostor
comfng down the middle aisle'therey wfll you please put
him out. The fellow with the moustache - Roll call for
attendance. Representative Ryan are there any Republian
absent who's....H
Ryan : ''You mean physically?'' '
speaker Redmond: ''Well..-excused absence-.o.''
Ryan : 'Q don't have any excused absences, no. Mr. Speaker.''
jpeaker Redmond: ''How about Representative Anderson, is his
absence excused? Representative Anderson .''
Anderson : ''Yesy Mr. speaker, I would like to introduce a group
- - = - - ' of futuie leaders from Mirton High School from the 45th
District in the rear balcony. They are represented by
Representative Von Boeckmany Representative Luft and
myself. Would you stand up please.''
speaker Redmond: ''Representative Madigan are there any Democra s
absence excused? Now we will revert to Representative
Peggy Smith èfartin . A motlon Eo reconsider the vote by
whtch House Bill z83....Representative Madigan.''
Madfgan: ''Would the records show that kepresentative Schisler
fs excused.''
speaker Redmond: ''Who?''
Madigan: ''Schisler.''
speaker Redmond: ''Representatfve Schfsler. Any oblectfcn to sh Tzing
hfs..hearing none his 'absence vf1l be exeused. Representative
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Peggy Smith Martfn.''
Martin : ''Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Having voted on
the prevailing side I move to reconsider the vote by
which the motion to pass House Bill 2839, over the veto
of the Governor was lost. This Bill is RepresentativeLc'aaîtgLewis Diprima's Pioneer Plaza Bi11.H
Speaker Redmond: HAny dïscussion? The question is on the Lady's
motion. Tîose in favor vote laye f opposed vote 'no'.9
Have a1l voted who wished? Have all voted who wished?
Representative Diprfma, explain your votem''
Dfprfma: nHov many do I need?''
Speaker Redmond: î2 9.91
Dfprïma: ''We1l, Jesus. thfs fs only a lfttle Bfll to resurrece
a Commission that is' making a study for Pioneer Flaza.
For Chrfst sake, thfs cfty needs Tsome kfnd of monuments
' around here to 1et the people know what Springfield
is a11 about. But that's all'thfsAdoes, lt just resurre ts
this Commission for the study of the Pioneer Plazao''
Speaker Redmond: ''Representative William Walsh.''
' I 1Walsh : Mr. Speaker, I question the 89 votes. It seems to ae
that this needs 107, since it is an overrideo''
a . . -.. . . yySpeaker Redmond: Thi: is a motion to reconsider a vote by
which it was declared 1aw .''
Walsh: f'That motion requires thu-nkmber 'of votes that it would
take if tbe original motion were to prevailk Thereforey
this needs 107 votes.''
Speaker Redmond: ''That section and verse...-so that David
Epstefn can check with you. 62 (a), Repreqentative
Walsh. 89 votes. 62 (al.m..alternately it will take
l07 votes to pass it but to reconsider-..6z (a). Rep-
resentative Nalsh conceGas error. Representative Nalsh
do you have a statement to make? 89 votes it takes. Do
Walsh : ''I voted.''
Speaker Redmond: nHave a11 voted who wished? The Clerk will t ke
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the record. On thfs questfon there .are 91 eayesê and
35 'noo and the motion prevails. Representatfve
Diprfma do you move that House Bfll 2829 be put ea Post-
poned Consideration?ê'
Diprima: ''Yes, Mr. Speaker.'l
Speaker Redmond: ''That's ally it is on Postponed Consideratioa ''
Diprima: HThank you .#''
Speaker Redmond: Hon the Order of Veto Motfons appearing on
page 4. Appears House Bi11'32. Representative Cunningh m .
Representative Cunningham.''
Cunnlngham : HMr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House
this is simgly a good idea that vfll not go away regardl ss
of how iong ànd bow hard you try to ignore it. It is
rather fnteresting to note that some years ago Governor
Walker wrote in his veto message that it was a good
idea and should be tbe 1aw in Illinofs and perhaps one
day it could be phased in . And it was the heigh: of a
compliment:thàt 'thelpresent Governor in 'his veto message
copiAd that veto message of his predecessor, alàost ver-
batim and I want to say to you that unless you rise and
do your duty fn regard to this Bill I confidentty
and sadly predict that five years from now. when Governo
Alan Dixon is on the second floor, he will wrlte a veto
message Just like his two predecessors did. Let me tell
you for a moment vhat 32 does. 32 is not a judicfal
pay raise, I cannot emphasis that too strongly . 32 mere y
permfts ehe salary of a conseftutfonal officer to be pai
from Lhe State Treasury. The Constitution of 1970 says
that Judges throughout the state are state offlcers and
there is no question about it, there is no other precede t
anyw here ln the law that I 'm aware of.n of a local un it
of government being required to pay a supplement to the
salary of a state official. Now there is a five hundred
dollar overlap that was necessary because the people of
Cook Countyy the Judges there have some kind of insurance
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pollcy and they needed to have the five hundred dollars
token consideration paid from the County Treasury so '
that they could go ahead. Let me pofnt out....Mr. speak r
would you ring tbe ga#el, nobody is listenfng they have
checked t:e election results. Let me pofnt out that the e
are four counties...four counties tn the state that are
not paying their share at the present time. Tbose count'es
are, Lake County which owes three Nundred and flfty-one
thousand dollars back to the State of Illlnois Adams@
County which will owe a hundred and thirty-six thousand
dollars at the end of the December Woodford Coùnty *hi h
vill owe thirty-efght thousand and Jefferson County whic
will owe thirty-eight thousand. It is time for each of
you to recèknize that these counties are not s'coff laws.
They are not refusing to pay because they have the noney
they are refusing to pay because they don 't have the
money. We've had entirely too much talk in recent days
poor mouthing the financfal resources of the State of -
Illinots. You need to recognize that this state has
a gfgantfc vacuum sweeper that has two prfncfple nozzles
And those nozzles are called sales :tax and income tax an
they each extract annually: almost pafnlessly from the
victims throughout this state in access of almost t<o
mfllfon dollars for each of them year after year afeer
year. Now when you tbink about the many ot:er sources
of fncome thatrthe staee has you must conclude that the
state resources in comparison with that with lovly count es
fs very large margfn fndeed. You must compare the aweso e
power of the state to extract money from the citizen s of
this state wfth the puny machinery tbat ls available to
the counties. These counties can collect about tvelve
cents for every hundred dollars of real property from
rebellious citizens to light tbe court house, to pay for
the police and to do many. many things and then you ask
them to also supplement the salaries of the Judges at th
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ràte of seventy-ffve hundred dollars for the Circuit
Judges and four thousand fkve hundred for the Assocïate
Justices.Now I say to you that there is no justfce what-
ever in thfs kfnd of arithmetic. I tell you that the
ties throughout the state are entitledv o your con-coun
sideration. I ask you to believe that there isn 't a
County Board in the State of Illinois that doesn 't
enthusiastically endorse 32y not in the sense of greed
but in a sense of need. They recognize tbat they haven ?
the resources. The Christm'as season .will soon be upon
yous I want to say to yôu that you will never have a
better opportunity to toss a sock, a small bone to your
constituents: the county government. I ask you to examf e
. in your consciepce what your positton should be aad lay
a small offerfng on the alter of fair play.and justfce.
And that offering ih this instance is an 'aye' vote . An
let me....those on this sïde of the aisle that have trou 1es
that they might be somehow transgressing against Nis.5 . .
Excellency, the Governor . Let me strongly urge you to
believe that none is more an admirer of the Governor tha
1, nor depended upon hfs good will. I think that one
d a y h e m a y w e 1 1 b e t h e P r i s i d e n' 6- o' 'f i: h-e U zi ï. t e d S t a t e s b u
he couldn 't be wronger in this instance. In this instan e
your loyalty ....your party loyalty must yield to your
obligation to help your constituents at bome. I beg you
to vote 'aye ' on this Bi11.''
Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Ewing.îî
Ewing: ''Yes. Mr. Speaker. I vonder ff the Sponsor would yteld
for a couple 'of questions?l'
Speaker Redmond: ''He fndicateà that be w111'.''
Ewing: ''Mr. Sponsors could you tell us what percentage of the
Judges salary now paid by the County Board.''
Cunningham: ?'At the present tfme tbe judicial salary throughou
the state for the regular Judges is forty-two thousand
ffve hundred. And the counties of each county contrfbut s
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seventy-five hundred so the State of Illinois is paying
the thfrey-ffve thousand.''
Ewing: ''So the majority ts being paid by the state now....''
Cunntngham: HMore than 80Z.H
Ewing: ê'Yesy I suppose that your B111 also wfll transfer to th
state coffers a percentage of the ffnes and the income
from the courts. Is that correct?î'
Cunnfngham: 'îNoy I don't think it is possible to put it in tha
same Bfll but if you have such a Bill 1:11 be glad to/vo e....''
.Ewing: ''No I asked you, did....''
Cunningham: '11'11 be glad to vote for it but it couldn 't be
put in thfs Billy ié's à ''law-and ve both know that.''
Ewing: R'So there is no transfer of the income from the court f om
fines and court cost to the state for picking up the
Judges salarfes. Is that correct?''
Cunningham: HNo àt the present time there are many instances# .
in which the judfcial salary....the fines are being used
for the benefft of the stateo''
Ewing: Hèlr. Speaker, I would like to just point out those tvo
facts that the able Sponsor of tbis motion has agreed wi h
me on . First of all, the state is picking up the line
. . . ... v . . . . . . . . .. .... . L . . ' ' .
share of the' salary ot the'ludges.' And I'Wôuld assume
that any salary increase which would be approved by this
Body would also be picked up by the state . Secoad, the
Bill does not provide to transfer any of the income of
the court and we a11 know that there is considerable
income from the county back to the state. I know that
a11 the County Boards ln my dfstrfct wants this. uho
vouldn't want a free ride. I'm not sure it ts a good
Bf1l.''
Speaker Redmond: î'Any further dlscussion? Representaeive
Cunninghamy do you destre to close? Representative
Mc>laster, pardon me. McMaster. !fill you please sit do n oî'
McMaster: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladfes and Centlemen of the House.-..''
Speaker Redmond: HWi11 you break'up the Republican caucus ther
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McMaster : ''I f I can give the previous speaker 1 ust a litt le
bit of in f ormat ion . He says that the count ie s should
transf er some of the f ines to the stat e fn the event that
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i d e p a s s e s . L e t me p o in t o u t t ha t t h e c o u r tthis overr
house is provided by the county , by county taxes by couaty
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c o s t . A11 o f t h e c o ur t s e rvi c e s ar e p rov i d e d by t h e
county with the excep t ion of tlze .! ud ges s alarfes . And T.
cert ainly f ee 1 that wbat ever the re sults o f tlAi s Bill m1g t
be that the countïes are contribut fng a great deal to
the court in each county.
Speaker Redmond : ''Representative Skinner.''
Skinner: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the Mousey there is absol tely
nothing one can add to the eloquence of Roseoe's pleal
for your 'yes' vote And so I merely reiterate it.''
'(S e aker Redmond : ''Repre sentat ive Rigney . 'P
Rigney: ''Wi11 the Sponsor yield? Representative Cunningham y
can you tell me what percentage of the Judges salary is
now paid from the Road Fundm''
Cunningham : ''From the Road Fund, none.''
Rigney) 'Q think, Mr. Sponsor, you are incorrect in that. I
' thlnk tt is' sov et-ilng- liEe' 1!t 'of Judgesbfees.k.ludges'
salaries in this state are paid out of our Road Fund.''
Cunningham: d'Weere not going to argue wfth you, there ïs a
transfer into the Secretary of States Office in regard
to road functions and you could argue that' somehcw that
benefited the court system but there is nothing in the
books now that says that the Road Fund is the source of
the pay of judicial salary. You find me the chapter and
verse before you decide I 'm in e/ror.l'
Rlgney: ''Well I think if I recall about a year ago that fâgur
was in the range of about twelve mfllion dollars. And i
to me that we're perpetrate ln a system here that is
going to continue to drain the Road Fund of the State
of Illfnofs to the advantage of the counties tbat are
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actually enjoying the revenues from the fine system in
this state. And for tbat reason I think I would have a
lfttle trouble supporting your attempt here on an over-
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Speaker Redmond: ''Anythfng further? Desire to close, Rep-
entative Cunningham?'' 'res
Cunningham: î'Certainly, we must close in this matter. In vfew
of the last remark that Representatfve Rigney made. Tf
there was ever a non sequitur vithout any support whatev r
in fact or reason with that. It is no diminishment what
ever of the Road Fund and I can't believe that he doesn '
know -differently than what he has said fn tbis matte .
I want you to remember this, that the counties throughou
the state are destitute. Their power and abflfty to
levy a tax is very kimited. I quoted to you their limit
a minute ago. They haven't the resources of the State
of Illinois, it is unthinkable that the state organizati n
with its unlimited capacity to touch the voters and tax
payers throughout the state, shouldn't pay entirely the
salary of state officials. Why this thing. if it were
continue this nickle vnd dime approach that origiaated
back in 1974, we would bave each of the counties kicklng
in a little for your salaries...ofor the Governor*s 'sala y
and a11 the elected state officials. This is uniquey it's
the'wrong that needs to be rfghted. Thts is not a tax
upon the administratfon y you didn 't take an oath though
when you.w..on this side of the afsle when you were
sworn in , you didn 't take an oath Lo support the Governo
right or wrong and particularly when he was wrong. Youé''z
ibility is to the voters in your district and yourespons
musta't act as though your swftches were wired to his
nod in this matter. I beg you...I beg you to listen to
your County Boards back in your homes and give us a gree
vote on this. 'The man that attacked it a moment ago,N
he safd,gft fs too good of an issue to pass now . we can
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pass it next year'. But now is the time: this is the
place and the opportunity for a green light ts here.
Please .''
Speaker Redmoad: OThe question is, shall House Bill 32 pass
notwithstanding the veto of the Governor? Al1 in favor
indicate by voting 'aye'. opposed by voting 'no'. Have
a11 voted who wished? Representative Mahar. Eave a11
voted who vished? Have all voted who wished? Rep-
resentative Hart.''
Hart: HThank you very smuch, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlem n
of the House. I understand that if this Bf11 passesy that
Roscoe has promised that he wfll never 'say anything more
on the floor of the House. And I think that is a suffic eat
reason to support this Bil1.''
Speaker Redmond: MHave a11 voted who wished? The Clerk vill
take the record. 0n tbis question there is 94 îayes'
and 58 lno'. Representative Cunningham .''
Cunningham : ''Please.'l
Speaker Redmond: ''Request Postponed Consideration . Represeùta ive
'Totten: for what purpose do you arise?''
Tottea : 1'0n a point of personal privilège. Mr. Speaker.''
é J d: ''fhe centleman-standing- fn front è@' Mr.-speaker e mon
lotten s please sit down .''
Totten: ''Mr. Speaker, rise on a point of persoaal privilege .
one, I think after I'm through most Members of this
House would join me. And that is tn regard to a 'AP. wireç$ ') '
story out of Williamsburgf r.egarding the relationshipf
between the executives in this state and this Legislatur .
And I would like to read from the article that appeared
in todayfs, I understand, Chicago Tribune and Ltndsay-
Schaub. Tllinois Covernor James Thompson said Monday,
the way to get along wit: the Ceneral Assembly was to
flatter the Members, provlde them rzit: political patrona e
and sociqlize with them over drinks. At a talk at the .
Republican Governors Conf erence , Thomp son li sted these
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three rules as being important in gettfng along vfth
state Lhgfslators. He also safd Governors should have
good legfslatfve lfafson staff and consult lawmakers
about important state decisions. Buts Thompson repeated y
turaed in his talk to fourteen fellow Republican Governo sl
to the question of patronage. Re said...he said 'there
were many minor posts on State Boards and commissions
to which a lawmaker would like to be able to appoint
members. He vill remember you forever for letting him
have that one post/ Thompsons said. 'It may mean a11 the
difference in the world to that Member of the General
Assemblyx' Tbompson saidylproviding such jobs to lawmake s
should not be done througb regular cbannels. Run it
through your legfslatfve liaison staff, not through
regular patronage staffz hè said. Thompson safd ft was
also important to know when to call them, referrfng to
Leglslators, to the Governors ôfffce. êIt is flattering
to them/Thompson saidx h e saidyjfsuch a move would help.
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t o ge t vo t e s on Bi 11 s . 1 ' m n o t go tn g t o b e . . . . l.t ' s no tz
go ing t o be on the mer it s or you would have had it a1r ea y .'
Thomp son said . The Governor said ' lawmakers would like
t o be able to say that they have been invit ed to the
Gove rnors Of f ice . Even a bett er Legislator likes to say
t h a t t o h i s p é e r s , ' Th omp s o n s a i d . l!e s a i d s o è i a 1 i z i n g
wi th I,e gi s 1at or s also i s an imp ort ant colip onent o f the
rocess . f Have them to the Covernors Mankion f or a drink 'P
Thompson saïd.lhave them down in your office for their
drfnk- .go ta their offfee and bave a drinkv Governor
added that,he dfd :ot mean to stress the importance of
6 he safd. gThere are praceicalalcohol..'..or have a cokeyJ
rules for good legislatlve relatfons,#Thompson said. 'If
I follow those rules faithfully and you follow these
rules faithfully . ve will have beeter relations lgith
- , / . bject was how to getour Legislators. Thompson s su
along with the Legislature. Among other things he said,
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legislative liaison should have respect and ability . He
also said House and Senate Leaders should not be pressur d
to do the impossiblev..just ask our Minority Leader about
that. Thompson said sate lawmakers.voget thfs one, this is
the one that particularly got to me. Thompson said state
lawmakers often have good ideasm- Thompsop said state la aker
often have good ideas and the Governor should not steal t eir
thunder. And for that I call him thief. 0ne way to get
along with state lawmakers, Thompson said ts to attend their
, political fund raising affairs. Co to their fund raisers
even if it means a hellish schedule duriag an election
campaign when you should be attending to your own affafrs.
It may mean the selling of fifty tickets. But make sures
' 'your picture is on the tickets. not theirse he said. 'Y ur
na.ne is the big nama on the tfcket and not thèlrs', he to d
fellow C0P Governors. They 're selling my fkfendp the Go ernor
Theygre selling you. Thompson gave the advice for what to
tell those who attend such fund raiserso.tell themy 'my
friend the Legislator is the greatest thing since slfced
bread and I want him back in Sprfngfield' aad then go. E d
of article. To me that fs one of the most demeaning depiction
'n-' of a Ceneral Assembly that I have ever heard from a Chïef
Executive O fficer. My only hope vas that he may have said it
with tongue in cheek but the article does not indicate
tbat. And on that point of privilegey Mr. Speàker, I fi 'sh.''
Speaker Redmond: ''Representatfve Roman Kosfaski.''
Kosinski: 'lèjr. Speaker, may I respectfully point out to Rep-
resentative Totten that this was a recommendation of the
Governors of tbe other states and does not necessarfly
apply to Illinois .''
Speaker Redmond: ''Representatfve Matijevfch.''
Matijevich: ''Personal privilege: Mr. Speaker. If Representativ
Totten had been listening to us durfng the regular Sessio
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he would bave known a11 this a11 the while. You know,
I guqss a11 it says is that many of us sfx hundred
thousand pluràlity of people in the State of Illinois
didn 't reàlize that we elected a phony. We told you
that Don, you weren 't listening that's à11. And now
maybe later on duriùg the Session you#ll give us a littt
talk about Phil Craneu..right?'
Speaker Redmond: î'Representative Geo-Karis.''
Geo-Karfs: ''Mr'. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the
House, on a pofnt of personal privilege. I don 't know
what the Governor 'said at the conference but I think
we should a1l remind ourselves that we should have a
sense of humor.and where t%e shoe fits .letls kear'it.
And number two, it is fine for our opponents on the
other side to attack this Covernor but remember brother'p
you had plenty to attack in yours. You Vere sitting bac
and letting him do a 1ot of things that we shouldn 't hav
had done and personally, I think that if a Governor make a
ëlsstatement....l don't know what they are but IAm not
going to believe the press until I see the vhole text.
And I still support the preseat Governoro''
Speaker Redmond: NRepresentative Mann. Representative Mann .''
Mann : ''Mr. Speakery a p'oint of personal privilegev''
Speaker Redmond) NProeeéd.''
Mann : ''Mr. Speaker, I hope that the Members of the House would;œ*
not only give the....tbeir attention for-the moment but
extend to pe as much latitude in terms of this point of
personal privilege as they did to our previous speaker,
Representative Totten . Yesterdayy Mr. Speakefy I sought
to get a waiver for House Bill 3443. We talked to ban
the sale of manufacture handguns in the State of Illinoi .
Yesterday the Mayor of the City of San Francisco and a
Commissioner were assassfnated by the use of a handgun .
Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, according to the
FBI publication ....crime in the United Statess a yearly
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compilàtioh of crime statisic, of . the nineteen thousand
one hundred and twenty murders committed in tbe Uaited
States in 1977, nine thousand one hundred and seventy-
eighty'or 48Z were committed with a handgun. Murder by
a bandgun was two and one half times more likely to
occure than cutting or stabbing which was the next leadi g
cause. Mr. Speàker and Members of tbe House: I ask you....
when are we gofng to end this insanity which has turned
the cities of our country into urban jungles because of
the existance of fifty million handguns fn G e United
States of America. We are the only: ldeveloped nation
in the world that does not have a ban on the sale of
handguns and on the manufacture of handgunsî. I hate to
pickup the newspapery Mr. Speaker and Members of the
' House and read that the Mayor of the City of Chtcago or
the Governor of the State of Illinois or some other
prominent official...or any other additional citizen
in this state was murdered by tbe use of a handgun.
When are we going to come to our senses and ban handguas
in the State of Illinois. Thank you: Mr. Speaker.'î
Speaker Redmocfl: '1On the Order of Tctal Veto Motions appears
HOuSe Bill 168. Representative CriRsbeimer.l'
Grlesheimer: 'Q hank you. Mr. Speaker. I come before you today
with a motion to reject the Governor's veto of House Bill
168, the clean Air Act. I had previously prepared a
rather lengthly presentation on this but maybe that won't
be necessary because of Representative Totten 's speech .
I would take it that tbe Governor never suggesL getting
together for a smoke vith any of us and that must indfcat
that he really doesn 't think too much of smoking aotwith-
standing his veto. House Bill 168 provides for Illinois
a 1aw which has been adopted in numerous other states.
This is the second term it has been introduced, the secon
time it :as been vetoed by a Governor of the State of
Illinofse- .of a different party in this particular case.
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And I would like 'to review with you zoday the Governor 's
veto as maybe I miqht suggest to you what he didn't tell
the other Governors ' on the east coast...is not to allow
someone elsé fn your staff to vrfte a veto, as there mus
be some logic and hopefully a little bit of truth to ft.
In the Governorls veto message he indicated that he was
vetelng House Bill 168 for three reasons. First of a11
he indicated that he was vetoing the Bf11 because he
felt that there were already laws on the books throughou
the State of Illinois to handle this particular problem.
As a11 of you know as this was presented to the House th 's
last spring and argued in Committees in b0th Housey the e
are not such lavs fn a1l parts of the State of lllfnofs
to handle this problem. I understand clearly that House Bill
168 is not an Anti-smoking Bill, it is merely a Bill to
give the right to non-smokers in the same manner as
smokers do t oday . So that in certafn desfgnated public
f ac ilj. t i e s , which I would add , do es no t include res t aura t s ,'
jher e would b e areas s et as id e f or non-smokers . The
' covernor goes on in his veto message and states that
o It e o T h i: s e cd'n d r e e. s c n s f o r ve t o 1 n g t h e B i 1 1 w a s t ha t i t
unreasonable subjects admfnfstrators and hospftal
personnel to the threat of civil or possible criminal
prosecution. I would suggest that good Governor Thompso
should have consulted with the hospital industry because
they endorsed this Bi11. I have yet to find a hospital
administor anywhere that quarrels with t:is Bi11. I mig t
even suggest thac the Governor might have talked to his
father who is a physican specfalfzfng fn the treatment.
I understand of cardiac diseases which relate to smoking?
d I think he would explain the faccs of life to him. 1an
Lastly the Governor suggests that there is no way of
enforcing this Bi11. And in fact one of his liaison is
cruising through the audience here today suggesting that
kf ve pass this Bill we will have to have state troppers
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going into a restaurant arresting people for violating
the law . Ffrst of a11 I would point out to the Governor s
ltaison that this Bill does not apply to restaurants,
second of a11 thè Bi11 specifically provfdes for enforce ent
through publf'c health agencfes.. not the state patrol.
Thus the whole concept of being unenforceable is ridicul us.
We could parallel this to the speed laws in the State
of Illinois. If we are to suggest that it would be '
impossible to enforce totally ....this Smoking Bi1l. this
Clean Air Act, we would similarly have to take the
position that there is no vay to totally enforce our
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ypeed laws, therefore, we should abandoq tbem. The
' covernorl logic fails on every stand. I don't believe
the Governor completely understood the Bill when the
veto message was signedythoughnone of the rather straage
clrcumstances that arose in this particular Bill is that
while I was anxiously awaitfng,and I believe a good many
people in 'the State of Illinois were anxiously avaiting
the covernors action on this Bil1. Tbe 'Governor accommo ated
a constituent letter from a gentletan in Chfcago by the
name of Robert 'Flexbigf. In that parttcular letter.
tu response to a 'complaint by Mr . vlexsig.that there was
teo much smoke in trafn stations tn the City of Chicago:
the Governor wrote hfm and highly commended House Bill
168. Indfcating that he felt it was a step in the rtght
direction,although did not completely cure t'he problem .
Yet tbree veeks later,wfthout any prior notice to any
of the organtzations that had contacted hlu, certalnly
nor myself, he turned around and veto the Bi11 in .
fact this w as one of th e last v etos wh ich w ere prepared
by the Governor. Now when action was taken on this
Bill in the Bouse and in the Senate during the regular
' legislature Session , this House overwhelm ingly approved
this Bi11. 0n the Conference Committee Report Tzhich was
the last vote by thfs House on ehfs matter...one hundred
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thirty-nin'e Nembers of this House vqted in favor of it.
In the Senate there waé similar overvhelming vote in
favor of this Bill, T beldeve the publïc is ïn favor
' of thfs concept. It's not, I vould underline ft fs no. '
antf-smokfng. It fs a Bf11 to provfde rfghts eo the
non-smokers. Some very heavy smokerskeven fn opr o<n
House, Larry Diprimay à four pack a dayeryhas st:ted to
. . me that he endorses this Bi11. Not .because he feels
that he will be prejudice but rathpr because the failure
' to pass this Bill will prelùdice the rights of non-smoke s
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when using public factlities. I would further point out
' to you that t:e Democratic analysès, which 1 have had the
opportunity to. reads eadorses the override of the veto.
Similarly the Republlcan Staff analyses îits the nut rig t
her e it should be hit when we say , supporters of thew
legislation had reasoa to believe tbat it would be signe
into law ....that is the Bill because the Illinois De-
partment of Public Hea1th has not opposed it. Nor ha'd
any testimony been presented to the Ceneral Assembly '
fn any way by proprietfes personnel or administrators
fn oppositfon to this particular èfece of leglslatlon.
. . . * ., $ . . . - . . . u . , . , y .j . . u : . r: z - Q t t . : . . t = ' & . . ,:..Moreover t can be gkkteà tùaé 1: the àepuslitan tbâfr
analysfs it goes on to say that whfle ft fs ackoxgledged
Jthat this partfcular Bftl is not a cure-all ft's definftely
a step in' the right 'direction as .ft fs something that
is leading us to a 1aw whlch will be affective to prote t
the rights of a11 the non-smokers fn the State of Illino s.
I belleve thls is a Bill that has a right to b ecome a
' 1aw in the State of Illinots and that one person should
not stand in its'way . The Legislature has spoken, I
hope it will speak again and I hope that you wi11 a11
vote to overrlde t:e Governor's veto.''
speaker Redmond: ''Any diseusslon? k'epresentative Mana-''
Mann: HMr. Speaker, perhaps I will be characterized as a perso
with a special interest...lf so I confess. I am a cigar
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. smoker, but I am also a civil libertarian and if I thiak
' I want to smoke gigars and get cancer I think that's
' '. my business. I thfnk if we are serious about cleaning
up pollution....air pollution in the cities of the State
of Illinois we've got plenty of work to do and weeve
got plenty of 'ways to do it. This is not a conservative
lfberal issueythis fs an issue of fndividual conscfence
. and individual Yreedom and I an going to vote to sustain
the Governor's veto of House Bill 168.,*.
speaker Redmond: ''Any further discussion? Representative
' Xatilevich.îî ' ' î
Matfjevlch: ''Mr. Speaker to show thae I donVt. alvays crftfcfze
' the Governor. I'm a cosponsor of this Bill and then I
read the gubernatorial veto on it. My first gut feeling
wâs right, vhen House Billy 1 belfeve it was 342 came
up the original Bill I was opposed to 1t. Beèause I fe1
that it really does nothfng. In a11 the deiignated area
we're talking about there is really no problem. Go in
the elevator out here. do you ever see anybody smoke:
. Go into the library, do you ever see anybody smoke: And
- ' if you do....if you do have you ever seen anybody arrest d
for it: Have you seen any'body say anythtng about 1t1
' Hell n o , you never will an d won 't if th is Bi11 hecomes
law. There won 't be a person fined in the State of
Illinois tea dollars 1et alone one hundred dollars if
this Bill becomes law . I hear conservatives on this
floor every day of the Session say, let's quit regulatin .
Y0u know they had thts issue in California and a lot of
people were surprised that it was defeated an d when it
was defeated they a11 saidy oh> the töbacco industry
defeated it. That wasn't what defeated it> ft was what
Bob Mann talked about that the people in the State of
Illtnois and a11 over this country are saying.o..leave u
to hell alone. Quite regulating us. This is only a
Bf 11 that f s symboli c , that ' s all. It won R t do a thing
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and I for one think thpt the Governdr was right. Now
one other thing about ity remember we passed a Bi11
statewide mandatory....lowering the drinking age. Wbat
bappened a'fter that, you had home rule units of governme t
now are cbanging that law. You have the similar type of
thing now wfth a mandatory statewide 1av that really
does nothing. So I too 'aézBob Mànn. stand here to ' .
sustain the Covernor on his action o''
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Speaker Redmond: Representative Johnson . Please give the
çj ' .Gentleman order. .
Johnson: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House I think vhat>
Representative Matijevich said,twisted slightly, is
true. But the people of Illinois who are non-smokers
are saying is leave us to hell alone. A11 this Bill doe
is te see asfde fn areas like hovpital roomsp elevatorss
' tndoor theaters and other area's for non-smokers whb don l
want to smoke who are now being forced to smoke because
of the intrusion fn their lungs of smokers smoke.- .to
leave us alone and give us the opportunity to have areas
set aside for non-smoking. Federal Trade Commission and
Congress have said now for ten yearss that smoking is
is hazardous to your healtha-..that a1l advertfsfng and
newspapers and in magaâines and otherwise have 'to contai
warnings with respect to the danger of smoking. And yet
we're going to allow it te continue to go on in areas
tbat are sensitive-as hospital rooms, elevators and othe -
wise. To me that is inconsistanto- In 'the argument of
the Governor and others that this ought to be fn local
ordinances and municipal action...wl guess you could use
the same logic to apply to any lawsof the State of Illin i s.
Sayy we ought to have a separate speed limit for Cairo
as opposed to Chicago. Say Ne ought to have different
' laws regulating robbery or .tbeft from one area co the
other. The air fs the same. people's lungs are the same.
the incursion on 'their health is the same and to me the
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veto of this Bill, any people who vote to sustain the
! ' ' fGovernor s veto are ones who are saying. 1et s have a
dirty envfronment, letês go on and cause cancer in others
even though lthey don't want to smoke themselves andrlet's
go on cause incursions on their lungs and their heà1th
. when it is absolutely unjustffied. So I would loin vith
Representative Criesheimer and other people who believe
fn cfvfl lfbertfes of a true sort .to say, let fs overrfde
' the Governor's veto and vote green on this motion.''
speaker Redmond: NAny further discussfon? Representative
Stuffle.'l
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stuffle: ''Yesy Mr. Speaker and Members. I vlike others.-.l believe
supported thfs Bfll orfgfnally wfthout eakfng a close
enough ......supported this Bill originally probably wfth t
taking a close enough look at what it does or what it
vèuld cost. I don't often rise to support the Governor
either and I don't rise to support the to.bacco industry
and I've never received a diae from them. I don 't tbink
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tain the. the other people wbo are zoinz to vote to sus
Governor have either. I'm a smoker and I go into places
where they already have designated areas. It may mean
' no ùore than a sign , like I see over there and the perso
sitttng rtght next to them separated by possibly on ly a
b00th and certainly by no physfcal barrter is ia the
smoking area, às opposed to the non-smoking. And I
don't see how this Bill would change that. I do see the
cost factor mentioned by the Governor . Even as I read
the definition of smoking in this Bill and smoking becon s
an illegal act under the Bi11 ft saysy one who inhales
the smoke from a smoking device-..be ft a pipe or cigarette
or anything is breaking the law . Not only the person
who smokes but the person who inhales the smoke. That
seems to me utterly ridiculousy that the Bill is vorded
that way and I have to agree with the argument submitted
by Representative Matijevich and others that this Bill wo ld
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be costly. Thfs Bill doesnft serve any purpose and this
Bill is m'erely a brief for those who would lfke to argue
' ù 1 n association.' They have done a great dealfor t e u g
of work in this'state but I don 't see how dofng thïs has
anything except compound problems of bureaucracy and the
cost to the state. And for those reasons and the reasons
subhitted by others this particular Bill the overrideo .
o f the Governo r should b e sus taine d . ''
Speaker Redmond: f'Representative Bluthardt.''
Bluthardt: NThank youy Mr. Speaker and Members of the House .
I also. coucur fn the Covernor's veto of thls Afllp I thf
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). gthere i s a point where government should not nter ere a
intervene for the activities of the citizen. And I thi
that point has been reached and I think that te conceive
' of the idea of arresting a person for smoking in a no
smoking area is ridfculous. I also believe that this
matter can be better controllad by private industry. by
the bospitals,by the other places that can >ut limitatio s
' on the smoking privileges in those institutions. I 'thia
ie would be rfdfculous to have a bfg lau enforcenent
force going around arresting .pgeople for blowfng smoke
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. I think this Bill goes much to far, interfer'ès' vieh the
rights and liberties of the people and should be defeate .J . .
I urge you to .sustain the Covernor 's veto.''
M R dmond: ''Representative Mulcahey.îfSpeaker e
Mulcahey: ''Mr. speaker, I move the prevlous questfon.''
Speaker Redmond : ''The Gentleman has moved th e previous queseio .
The question isp shall the question be Put? Those in
favor say 'aye' opposed fno'. The îayes' have it and
the motion carries . Represeutative Griesheimer to close .''
Griesheimer: MThank you, Mr. Speaker. It seems to me to those
of you that have stood up op/osing this Bf11 that you
have forgotten some of the basic freedoms thatgs granted
in this country. There is no freedom tvat grants you th
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' right to pollute your neighbor. This was decided some
time ago' when we starting cleaning up our enviroament.
To each one of yot! wbo may''be a smoker in your ovn small
. vay, youlre a poll uter. You have the right to pollute
yourself even to gfve yourself lung cancer or to aggrava e
a heart condition. Just as you may have a right to go
into a room and pick up one of those handguns that
Representative Mann was just talking about and blow your
own brains out. But you don lt have a right to take 'that
gun and blow somebody elsek brains out and similarly
you don 't have a right to take one of Representatfve
Bluthardt's cigars and' choke' your nefghbor to 'death . I
would suggest to you that in this day and age that the
rights of the non-smoker are Ju'st as paramount as the
rights of the smoker. Now it has been suggested that
1à i s Bi 11 won ' t work > we 11 I would ' s ug ge s é t o any o f yout
that feel that, you check the State of 'Nebraska because
. that is 'where this 1aw originated. This very identical
law,and matter of fact it not only is working it has wor ed
for four years and they have fncreased its coverage. It s
working well. Now is it working by a gestapo network ou
' of the State of Nebraska arresting peoplel Noy it fs
working because of citizen compliance with the law .
Representative Matijevich would suggest that people igno e
the taw , well maybe they do in his area but they don 't
' in mine. And sometimes I feel like wefre from separate
areas. People fn fact cfll comply vfth thfs 1au they ar. #
. doing it in Nebraska M innesota y Arizona and many other
'states. over thirty states have adopted some form
of legislation to protect non-snokers. Thus there are
rlghts that can be protected and we have an obligation
to assist those people who need the protection . Rep-
resentattve Matijevicb goes further and suggests that
tbis wf11 not have statewfde effect because of home rule
sugges t to h1m that he look at t he Conf erenc e Commit t ee
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Report because that is what the entire argument was abou
in the Conference Commfttee. Thfs Bï11 was passed wfth
sufficient votes to have statewide effect and notvith-
standing home rule unit.. Matter of fact the City of '
Chicago was only concerned o f making thts a much st ricte
y 'law ôn it s own ocal basis . They wanted to have a stron er
' 1aw not a weaker law . And I would also suggest that
' Representative Matilevich,who feels that this has not
been enforced,tbat the City of Chicago has had smokers
courts and has been arresting people for violattng their
own local ordfnance vhfch feads almost fdentfcal ro thfs
Bill for some time and prosecuting them. The very fact
that he doesn rt know about this is éhown by the fact
that tbe City of North Chicago, his hometown, does not
have'sudh a 1aw and it is not being enforced at the
present time. Now we have a right to the many hundreds
of thousands, we have an obligation to the many hundreG
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of thousands of people who have lung problemsywbo have
heart problems,who physically cannot go to public
facïlftfes because of the lateral smoke du ft creatèd
by other paople <ho carelessly or negligently or in a
- ' . 'k dôh't give à daih àtkitùd; ,gù àhèad in2 lfkht up . Aa
we have that obligation to fulfill by passing a 1aw that
protects these people. This fs not unenforcable.-..for
your information, not only Illinois kungs.chicago L ungsy
American Cancery Illinois Heart and Chicago Heart a11
endorse this Bill but so does Illinois State Medfcal
Spciety . so it is the Illinois Department of Public
Health, Iive yet to ftnd any organization that ls oppose
to this other than the tobacco industry. If you want
to vote for Leggitt and Meyers then go ahead and vote
'no' on this. If you vant to vote for some clean air
and ehe possibility of helping someone who needs help
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f h rt condition orbecause of a lung dlsease or o a ea
maybe efther more than that then I think you owe your
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constituents a 'yes' vote on this. .In fact I think if
some of you would go back to your district' and actually
. talk to the residents of your district .you vould find
out that the overwbelming number of people, smokers aad1
non-smokers alfke favor thfs 3fl1 not as a cure-all but
as a small start. And that's what this Bfll is....a sma 1
start to try and do something to help the people in the
area of public health . I would appreciate your affirmat ve
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- Speaker Redmond: HThe question is, shall House Bill 168 pass
notwithstanding the veto of thè Covernor. Those in favo
vote raye', opposed vote 'no'. Representative McAuliffe
do you still desire recognition? Rave a1l voted uho
wished? Representative Vinson are you seeking recogniti n?
Representative Vinson.''
' vïnson : ''Mr. Speaker and Meabers of the Rousey a great America
that said, 'that any government big enough to give you
everything you want can take away everything you havel.
And a quarrel area of tbat ïs that thfs Legfslature can
. vote this way todayaoverride the Governor's veto . next w ek ia
a Q i f f e r en t pub li c mo o d it can vot (t t o r equ irtz e'reryb o dy
to smoke in public places. I urge a 'no? vote.''
Speaker Redmond: ''Have a11 voted who wished? 'The Clerk will
take the record. 0n this question there is 80 'aye' and
X '46 'no' the motion having failed. Representative Jeanie
Chapman. Representative Chapman desires to be recorded
as 'aye'. Representative Stiehl.''
1Stiehl: ''Mr. Speaker would you record me 'no ' please.''
Speaker Redmond; HRecord Representatfv.e Stfehl as gno'. The
motfon havfng fafled to receive a Constitutfonal three-
fifths majority is hereby declared lost. Representacive
Griesheimer.n
lGrlesheimer: ''Mr. Speaker, I would like to have that placed
on Postponed Conslderatfon .î'
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Representative Bowman .î'
Bowman: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and centlemen of t:e House ,
the three years I have been in the Assembly Igve heard/
a numb er o f Nember s ri s e t o tll e f loor and . . . and urge
' that we get stat e governmen t o f f the backs ' o f local
government . . . .to urge that we do away with or curt ail
or adequately finance mandated programs. And here we
have an opportunity in House Bill 1270 to get the state
government off the backs of the local governments and
1et hthem spend their own tax dollars the way they see
fit. Let me briefly describe 1270, it is very simple.
' It's a general assistance Bill that would permit the .
state to continue to providq state assistance to local
governments that need a qualifing one mill levy. But
it would prohibit the state fro'm imposing a penalty on
local governments if they chose to increase their local
tax above what fs necessary to meet the state mandate
for tbeir local purposes. I think the....whoever'analyz d
the Bill for the Governor's Office and prepared the
veto message misunderstood what the Bill did. There are
two ptinclpàl defects according to the veto messagey
. w.. -.. . . - ' , ' ' .I don t regard them as defects at a11 Eut the meisage
. eites two things...mas objections. One,'loss of adminis rativ
control of state funds. Well that's justson the face
of fts ludfcrous, on'the very ffrst page of the Bfl1 the
new language starting on liné 14 says, the Illiaois
Department shall set standards to one, insure and provid
for the appropriate disburstment of state funds by local
government units. Preform quality control audits to the
case loads of local government units and establtsh unifo m
budget standards for the use of state funds. It seems
to me that it dfrectly contradfcts the objectfon rafsed
by the veto message. The second objection was about the ..
it alleged that it would create inequality in payment
levels. But we already have lnequality in payment level
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as it is. Anyone below the one m111 rate doesn #tp..isn '' $
obliged to be on the state program 'and abeve that rate
we have a number of districts right now that do chose
' to go it their own way. If you are among the Members
of the Assembly that have to be concerned about the
potential impact 1et me lust simply say that I thînk
you misread the mood of the people with respect to the
proposition 13 sentiments. The real sentiment now is
for cutting back on property taxes in particùlar , ft is
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the most onerous tax we have and I suspect that a auaber of
local governments now that are gofng to the loan that ar
usfng property taxes to finance general assistance a
100Z will suddenly just throw in the towel and saya okay
weîll do it the states way.....and we show up on our
door steps and expect the state to reimburse for thefr
program. And I think that we're gofng to have an increa e
support level whether we like it or not....whether this
passes are not . So I think thm financial impact of this
' is problèmatic at best and I think it is quite likely
negligible. So finally in conclusion I would simply say
that the main th rust of this legislation is to give loca
governments control ever local funds. It cfll not take'
state control auay over state funds nor will it take
' state control away over the funds that wereo...had to
be raised to qualify as a state assistance. Thank you
r much . ''Ve y
speaker Redmond : ''Representatfve Kempiners.''
Kempiners: ''Thank you. Mr. Speaker. uill the Gentleaan yield?o
Bowman : ''Do it ''
Kempiners: ''I think I appreclate the sufficienue of what you 'r
trying to do but one question comes to my aind.....''
Speaker Redmond: HTV lights are on .''
Kempfners: 'lAnd thar'questfon is, vhat impact mlght this have
on federal participation or federal reimbursements for
general assistanee funds spentp
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' Bowman : '''None whatsoever .because Federal Government does not
parttcipate in general assistance programs. This is
wholly a matter between the state and local governments ''
Kempiners: ''Thank you .''
Speaker Redmond: 'Q s there anything further? Representative
Bowman . '' -
.1 j ' 11 >Bowman: I ask or a favorable Roll Call.
Speaker Redmond: MThe question isy shall House Bill 1270 pass
notwithstanding the veto of the Governor? A11 in favo'r
f I j , . 'fndfcate by votfng aye , oppose vcte nc . Have
a11 voted who wis:ed? Representative Woods Bowman.''
Bowman: ''We11. Mr. Speaker, I?m just a lfttle shocked at the
number of Republican w otes up there. I can really
appreciate...you know, wanting to support a Governor of
ones own party but really this is a local control matter
i'f there ever was one. And I can see a number of people
who are on the board right now who either aren gt voting
or voting 'no' for this who I know have been champions.. .
leaders i: tbis area and so I must say, I'm a little
pe/plexedv as why a local control B111 such as' this.o..that
vould give the locat units of government the right to
send thefr local moneya...locally raised money fn ways
tbat they nay see' fft. I can lt imagine wby someone wbo
felt tbat local control would oppose that. The only tax
that I can think of....the only tax funds that is 100Z
con....raised 100Z at tîe local level and control 100Z
at the state level. I mean, if anyone here can think
l of another one where the local goveraments are expecte'd ö
ante up 1005 for state program .w..l vould Iike to know
b t it This is' a state program that t:e locala Ou .
governnents are flnancfng and Dryfng ro get the state
off their backs. Thank you.''
Speaker Redmond: ''Have a1l voted ïzho tzfshed? 1:111 take the
record. Representatfve Bowman. Representative Bowman
desfres to have ft put on Postponed Consfderatfon. 506
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Representative Jaffe. Tomorrow is the last day to
consider any action with' respect to any veto actions of
' the Covernor so anything that we don't get taken care
of by tomorrow the veto stands. We only have today and
tomorrow. Representative Jaffe.''
Jaffe: 'îokay. Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, 2506 is
the Limited Licènse Physfcian Bill whtch we have debated
on this floor and on many many occasions. Let me first'
start off by tellfng you that the Governor's message
is completely and totally wrong. Evidently the Governor
did not undersiand what was in the Bi11. The Bill does
not reinstate limited license physfcians. Actually vhat
2608 does is require applications for renewal of limited
license physicians by a certain date and also sets up
the strtlcture by whfc: these limited lièense physfcians
would be tested. I want you to note that the limited
license physicans would be tested by fully lieensed doctors.
Now lets get to the heart of the thing, I think we reall
got caught in the switches on this patticular situation
and werre not thinkfng about the people in mental
healtl: lnstitution . Let me tl--ata to 'yau categozically
that the Department of Mental Hea1th Plan has not worked.
It has absblutèly fatled. Not only has it fatled and it
has cost the people of this state a great deal of money .
Now lets start worrying about the patiènt in the mental
health institution and lets start worryfng about the
taxpqyer. Let me give you an illustration on that. on
March 1: 1978, we lost a hundred and six limited licen 'ed
physicans tbat we have now replaced wftb only fifty-
eipht full time equivalent, so to put it very bluntly
we have lost literary half the physican szaff that we
have had. We have lost forty-eight equfvalent of full
time physicaas and yet this program has increased b y at
least one million dollars. Let me give you some other
examples. We closed Chicago Reed Mental Hea1th Facility,
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j 'we ve said that we vere going to send these lndividuals
to private facilfties yet vhat has happeneds private
. facilities are not now taktng this partfcular patfent
and these patients are floating a11 over because of the
fact that we have closed that one particular medical
façility. I could go on and ony I could show you papers
and I can show you exposes,l show you a copy of a paper
of tbe Chicago Defender where they talk about bearing
new debts of mental health patfents here and they have
ran a series about the deaths that have happened in
mental health institutions. They had five reported earl
by the Chicago Defendery in this lates.t copy of the
Defender they go on to point out some more. And why do these
things occur? They occur because ve are not fully staff d
at those particular institutions. So 1et me say to you
that lf you vant to do something deeent and something
good, I think that we should pass this Bi11. we should
, override the Governorrs veto. We shoutd think about
t>e patients in the mental health fnstitutions and at
the same time you'll be doing the taxpayers a favor
because you're going to be saving over a million dollars ''
- - . . . . speaker Redmond : ''Are there any discussion? Representattve -
Holewinski .''
Holewinski: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladfes and Centlemen
of the Houve. I thfnk in reviewing this piece of legisl tfon
and whether you are going to vote to override the Covern r's
veto as I would hope you would. You want to take a look
at what the situation ts now in 'our state mental hosptta s
'When we heard testimony a year ago on mental starflng
in our state mental fnstitutions ue xzere told by the
department and by experts that the desfrable ratio of
doctor to patien ts ...full time doctors to patients
was about one doctor for every thirty patlents. At the
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which at least put us in the ball park . Since that time.
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and sfnce 'the,elimination of the limited licease physican .what we find now is that we have a rate of one doctor '
for approxfmately every forty-one patïents. We have ....
don't know exactly how to q'uantify the additional
contractual service money that was put into the Bt11 for
mental bealth 'earlier in the year because mental health
d es not provide us with those st at isti cs . But 1et ' so
talk zfurther about House Bill 2506. the Bill itself
does not restore the limited license physican in Illinoi .
What it does fs set up a procedure by which we can emplo
these people should a department chose to do so, by
setting up a fair method of clinical and o'ral' testing.
A11 it does is replace the written examination that many
have found difficult to pass by a test of abtlity and
a test of cllnical knowledge. That certainly seqms like
a reasonable approach , I think any of you who are Iïcèns d
professionals can think baek tè the çygm! that yöu may
' have taken to qualify for your profession twenty years .
ago...ten years ago. Think of taking....of being requir d
to take it again today and I think you will find that
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' . t h o u g h t S Ome Wh a t u f 'r i gh t en in g w ' ' . Bu t . 'ye t t h a t 1.s 'Yhat we -
did ask tbese people to do and that is why ve eliminated
their classification . There is two sides to this story
and two sides to thfs legislation I thlnk ought to be '
consitlered. 0ne is the practically side that I spoke
about and that is of tbe pkoper level of staffing in
Q'tqte mental institutions and the Other is the hunan
fde Huw an side not only 1n' terms of what is happenin gS .
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to our patïents and the kind of health care they are
getttng but the human side tn terms of the indtviduals
who we have taken advantage of...aused and now dfscarded
how that we feel we need them no longer. Ladles and
Gentlemen of the House I think that this is an important
pfece of legislatfon in terms of the' 'maintenanees . o . prop r
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maintenance of people in our instttutions. I would
urge you to vote to override the Governor's veto.îl
Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Màutino. Representative Maut'no.''
Mautino: ''Thank ..e.excuse me. Thank you, Mr. Speakers will
the Gentleman yield for a question? Will the Gentleman
yield for a questfon?''
Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Jaffe will yièld-l'
Mautino: ''Representatfve Jaffey since thfs change was made -
do you have any approximate idea of what the cost is now
since we have gotten away from the limited license
physicans to the general .,. #ractitioners in those
areas wbere they are needed for state institutfons?fî
Jaffe: 1fYeab....the price now is tbree point five mkllioi doll rs.
I might tell you that prior to this time it was two poin
two mfllfon dollars. So...and really that vas Just ffom'
year so the saving would be more than a million dollars.
Mautino'Acupone other huestion, Sir. I am amazed at the differe ce
in money because I happen to have Dixon Development
Mental Center in my legislative district. What I am
interested in knowing is, if in fact your legislation
was overridden where..t..first of all, wbere dtd the mone
come to pay tbe extra general practiEioners and secondly
. what would the saving be at the time it is overridden?'l
Jaffe: ''We11, I#m advfsed that they are only approprfated thfs
year on the departments budget but I don 't quiet under-
stand the rest of tbe question , Dick.''
Mautino: ''We11 my 4uestion basically is. where do we get the
ex tra money to pay tbe general practitioners when we
didn 't have it to pay the limited license phystcans at
the time?''
Jaffe: '1011, there Vas new funds actually put in. As a matter
of fact th ey said they were going to go' out and they wer
gofng to hire new doctors, the truth of the matter fs th y
haven 't been able to hire new doctors for the institutio s.
Wbat ve have done is we have turned our backs on these
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people who have worked in these institutions for years
and years and years and years. We have essentially thro n
them out and really haven't been able to replace them o''
Mautino: ''Thank you-''
Speaker Redmond: ''Anything further? Representatfve Satterthwa te.''
Satterthwaite: f'Wi11 the Sponsor yield?''
' Speaker Rednond: 'I e fndfcates that he wfl1.M
Satterthwaite: ''Representati/e Jaffe, according to' our staff
analysis it indicates that a11 but twenty of the lfmited
Iïcense physïcans have already left the State of Illinois and
thae those twenty still remain' in the state are employed
by the Department of Mental Health in capacities other
than limited license physicans. If that is an accurate
assessment of the limited license physicans potentiàlly '
benefiting by this Bill could we not say tthen that this s
really legislation designed to benefit a very ltmited
' small number of individuals within the state and might
fndeed be classed as specïal legfslatfon whfch fs un-
' constitutionalm''
Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Jaffe-fg
Jaffe : nHelen, 1et me say to you that I have on staff sitting
on my right over bere and your statement ts wrong. Basi ally
what was on the report was that out of a1l the limited
license physicans that were gotten rtd of. the hundred
and six that were gotten r1d of....what ve had vas thirt
who went back into the faeilities but they went in a
non medical capacity. I mean they are hanging on to som
sort of job but they are certainly not acting as limited
lfceuse physfcans. They are dofng dffferent types of
- work that is really more menial really in its nature.
So you have thirty , we'ldonr't know where the otber sevent -
sfx would be.''
Satterthvaite : 1'Ne11 again according to the staff analysls in
front of me, it says tkenty of those people are still
in the employ of the department fn other positions and t at
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the other's either pass the flex exal: and are now
fully licensed or they have left the state or retired
from practice. And if that is true it seems to me that
we are indeed designing legislation to be a speciftc
value to twenty potential people who might benefit from
this.' And in addftfon thefr lfcenses. even the lfmfted
license that they had havef'expired on october 1, of 1978.
As a member of the Comiiskion on mental hea1th 1 have '
had not one complaint from anywhere in the'state that ''
. people fn institutioaal care are receiving less adequate
medfcal attentfon than they dfd previous to March l of
this year. I dô not see that there is any aeed for this
legislation dt this time, the transition has been mades
we have ungraded the medical advtq'e and aésistance avail b1e
to us in our mental health institutions. And I feel tha
it would be a disservice to the people of the state to
take a step backwards at this point. I urge you to upho d
the covernor's veto on thfs measure.''
Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Johnson .'î
Johnson': !%7e11, Mr. Speaker, I .stand in support of tbe positio
. of my colleague from tbe 52nd District, Representative .
' Satterthwaite. This Bi11 is a classic'example of tbe
'erosion of professionalism. We license certain professi >
the medical prpfessfon.the dential professionzthe legal
profession and others for the protection of the public.
. The people have to meet certain standards in order 'to
practice medicine or practice dentistry. Yet we make
this kind of exceptton when our whole purpose of enaetin
licensing regulation to begin with is to protect the
blfc. I opposed ehe one year exeeM 'fon when it camePu
up early in 1977, and to approve this House Bill 2506
would be totally abrogate our responsibilfty to the peop e
of Illinois and tbe standards of health that they expect
us to protect or to errect in thKir support. And I thin
that the covernor's veto stated reasons are accurate. th y
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could be stated even more strongly and I vould certatnly
urge every Member of this ceneral Assembly to vote
' ' i 'to override .'' 'no on thts mot on
Speaker Redmond: Representative Jaffe to close. .
Jaffe: ''To close lettmè'Aju'st respond to the Representative
from Champaign. And 'let me say to her .that whea she
was reading the veto analysis she was not reading the
comments of our staff peopley she was reading the
covernor's statement.'..And.l.z.thfnk'l' safd 'riàht''off the
top that I thought the Governor's statement was tetally
and completely off the wall and was reall#oo.didn't
understand wbat this Bi11 was really a1l about. To re-
iterate, 1et me tell you that since March -ls' 1978. we
haee lost forty-eig:zt full time plzysicaus in this partic 1ar
state. And yet the program bas increased by over a mill on
dollars and I'm now told that it mfght be increased by
close to three point five million dollars. We have clos d
mental health facilities that we really need, we are not
taking care of our mentally i11 the way we actually
should. The only way we are gofng to rectïfy this
- - ' J particular thing is by overriding the Governor'on House '*
Bill 2506. If you w ant to do the right thin g. If you
want to do the humane thing and if you want to help the
patients fn our mental lnstitutions I think you should
vote 'yesl for an override on House Bill 2506.:1
speaker Redmond: ''The question fsy shall House Bill 2526...
. 506 pass notwitbstanding the veto of the Governor. A11
in favor signify by voting 'aye' opposed vote 'no '.@'
Representative Conti.'' '
Contf : ''Mr . Speaker in explainfng hy vote please o''
Speaker Redmond: HProceed.n
Conti: ''Mr. Speaker I remember back fffteeny sixteen years
ago when we asked thes e doct ors . . .11m1t ed license doc t or
to take these j obs and now a11 o f a sudden we come in
1 9 7 7 b e c au s e o f on e in c i d en t o u t f n E 1 g ln an d u s e a b r o a
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I brush to try and g.t rid of some of these limited licens
people. I don't care if it is one person ,five people or
ten people or twenty people that are left, I don 't think
that fs the sufficivnt thing here. The thing is that webre
dealtng with their lives...that spent eighteen years of
their life there and they got two and three and four
years left to go for service in the State of Illinofs
, ' , v .and now we re shutin the door right behind them. I thin
that we should give 107 votes on this and keep them as
limited lfcense physicans and nobody is going to suffer
any consequences at a11 on this Bi11.''
speaker Redmond: ''Ha#e a11 vobed who wished? Representative
Holeoin'ski.''
Holeuihak'ii 'fThank you : Mr. Speaker. To explain my votes I
think it sbould be stressed that this does noto...this
B.il1 will not have the effect of restoring a11 the
lfmited llcense physfcans to thefr statis of mental
hospttals. There are a 1ot of things that would have
. to proceed that, but ffrst of al1 what ft does is requfr
testing. It requires that they prove tbeir confidence
that they are able to...before a panel of fully lfcensed
. phyétcàns to demodittatè tdât they have the clinical z-
and academic 'ability to deal with patients on a day to
day basis. That is a fair thing to do, that is a thing Thin
that most professionals would prefer if they were requir d
to be re-licensed and had to come before some sort of
re-licensing panql every certatn number of years. I
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think Lhar it is a reasonable approach to the problems
it has the proper screen ing mechanism built into thts .
And it is a fair approach and I would urge those of you
who are still considering this legislation to vote in
favor of t:e override.''
Speaker Redmond: 'îRepresentative Frtedrich.''
Friedrfèh: HMr. Speaker and Members of the House, I'm quite
familiar with tbe care of patfents at Murray Center and
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sfnce ve have elfminated ehese liafted license physfeans.t .
. we nov have tvo pediatrfcians and aa internïst and a ful
staff of board people there. And I have been told by
al1 of those out there wbo are familiar with ita they ba e
never had better care and it is much superior to what
they had with the limited ltcense physicans. I think
that we ought to be concerned more about the care of
1 those mental patients tban we are about these limited
license physicans.''
Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Mann.''
Mann: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I want to explain
my 'aye' vote here. This is a very serious question .
mental illness fs one of the most serio'us problems in
the State of Illinois. We are dealing with men who have
compassion and experience fn the treatment of mental
illness. The people that they are being replaced with
are people who bave hpen largely educated in Asia .where he
statùs and sophisticatfon of kreatm'ent of mental illness
is not nearly what it is here in the states. So we're
dealing with people who have demonstrated the ability
for a long time to treat the mentally 111y we excepted
that ald lity...owe accepted that experience and now we
are turning our backs not so much on them but on the
people in the mental institutions. And with a11 due '
respect to my esteec dcolleague from Champaign County ,
if he ês talking about professïonalfsm he ought to be
talking about the people who have had the experfence
of dealing wfth the mentally fll. He ought to visft
som e of our mental fnsttcutfons where we have serious
problems of our under-staffing. He ought to vfsit
some of our fnstitutfons vhere people do not receive
adequate care. At least these limited llcense physicans
have had the experience and the know how and the compass on .
And I think we ought to put l07 votes on there not so
much for them but the large population of mentally 111
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people fn the State of Illinois who cannot speak for the -
selves. We must speak for Ehem. Let's get 107 votes
on that boardy Ladies and centlemen. This fs a very
sufficient Bi11 .H
Speaker Redmond: HHave a11 voted' who wished? Represeatative
Jaffe.''
Jaffe: g'You know, Ladies and Gentlemen, I really thiak that so e
of you are mfssfng the fssue conpletely over here. T
think the prime motivation of anybody here should be
the care of our patients in tbe mental hospital: And
it seems to me tîat I don 't see hop anybody ean get on
this floor and say when the medical staff has been cut
in half that your service is better than ever. You know
vhat the Departnent of Mental Hea1th has tried to do is
they have tried to come in wïth certain servtces that
they can transport. Now those contractual services are
really fast services because when someone comes in there
they never see the same doctor two days in a rolè. They
may come in there for a day or two days or three days
or whatever you have. There is no continuity of service
tbere is no service that I think anybody in thfs room
- .'=- vf11 want. to be subleceed to. You have to .understand -
that the limited license physicans are individualsy you
know who were in our institutions when they were called
snake pits and they were the people who actually brought
tbe institutions up and they worked very hard and very
diligently for these institutions and for the State
of Illinois. And I might tell you ehat they worked
at wages that physicans.-..that fully license physicans
would not be working at the present time. Yob know . let'
go to the record of veto, what does the veto say about
these lfmited license physicans. Be appeared before
the Senate Commtttee and he said, I think that these
fully...that these limited lfcense physicans are really
qualffîed...they are really qualified. The only thing
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is that they haven't passed this one test and I really
don't thfnk that ft is too important but this is our
polfcy so that fs our policy. Well that 's all rfght
before the election but now the election is over and
I think it is time for us to Torget about that election
and to start worrying about the poor people in our
mental instftutions and also if you 're worried about
the taxpayers then you also have to go for this B1l1.
' so I would urge an 'aye' vote and urge you to override
the Governor's veto on House Bfll 2506.1'
speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Deuster.''
Deuster: ''Mr. Speaker and tadiey and Gentlemen of the Housey
' f hat I 'm casting I view as a practicalthe aye vote t
vote. If you know anythfng about the number of doctors
we have in Illinois you will knov that g'enerally we
bave a shortage of doctors. There are many towns ewhere
they can 'e persuade a dector to coae there because efthe
it is a small town in a rural areaw.wthe doctors can
' make big money in the big city . They wi1l make big
money in other states, we bave a hard time keepfag docto s
here in Illinois. So the practical matter, we have trou le
geiting doctoès in oue communities out in the free
enterprise area where they can get attractive and good
wages and fees. Now how are we gofag to get them to
serve at these low .e.lower salarfes in the mental
institutions. Tbey are just not going to be thereithey
are just not gofng to go there. And so the practfcal
macter if you 're voting lyes ' you 're voting 'yes' to
allow these doctors who have been serving these people
so compassionately to continue their services. And if
you're votlng 'no' you're really- .you're not voting
to help the poor people in the fnstitutions the' way
you might think . Your Rno' vote is not really to rais
the care but to really knock out any medical care at
all. And so I hope that you wi11 view this in a practic 1
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continu'e to haye these doctors for conseientious and devoted
' and you know many of them have called on youy you've
met them personally. Let 's put sone more 'aye' votes '
. on there so We can pass this Bill and allow these people
to continue to have the service tbey lve got now . They
are not going to get it under the present circumstance
of this doctor shortage which we suffer from in Illinois ''
S'peaker Redmond : ''Representative Schuneman .l'
schuneman : ''Thank...thank you, Mr. Speaker. By way of ex-
plaining ky vote, Mr. speaker. I want to reiterate
wbat the previous speaker has said, I think he has
' . goiten right to the heart of this matter. The State
of Illinois simply could not afford to hfre fullyk .
lieensed doctors to care for people in mental institution .
That was a fact that was demonstrated by the fact that
institutions throughout the state attempted for Qany
years to recruit fully licensed doctors and they vere
' unable to do so. Pnder the limited license method every
lfmfted license physfcan vas praceicfng under the
direction and supervtsion of a fully licensed physican .
- ' - ' hat these people were actfng more fn whét I would 'so t
consider to be .....as medics where they were operating
directly under the control of a fully licensed physican.
Now since we have elimfnated those temporary licenses
ve fïnd that for example, facflities like Dixon where
they had a full staff of limited license physlcans....
nou those people are belng served by a limited partner-
ship of physicans who practice nearby and come out to
the Dlxon Developmental Center only on a part-time
basis and I believe that approval of this Bill and the
override of tbe Governorgs veto will result in better
health care for the people in those institutions.n
Speaker Redmond: ''Have a11 voted who wished? Represeatative
Johnson.''
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Johnson: ''Only to ask for a verification if this unfortunately'
' recefves the requfred number of votes.''
Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Pullen. Representative Pulle .''
Pullen : #'Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, Illin is
has made a great deal of progress in mental health eare
in our state hospitals over the last ten .o.fffteen years
Thïs progress happened vhile the limfted Ifcense physfca s
were on board. During the years since tbey left we have
seen the quality of care slip. I'm wondering how long
you want to walt. What crisis do you want to see
partfcipated before you will help tbe state admit that
ït was wrong. I voted for the Bfll orfglnally that
threw the limfted license physicans out two years ago
and 1 tater learned more information about the situation
and I have supported Representative Jaffe's Bfll since the
time that he put it in. These doctors are fully qualifi d
they...unfortunately for them and us were not trafned
tn such a way as to know hov to take American licensing
. tests and tbat is their sin. But they do practice medlci e
and they do it well and they have been doiag it well for
years tn our mental hospitals. It is not tbe-kind 'of
assignment that' a fully licensed physican has alvays
dreamed about being able to fulfill. It is impossible
to recruit fully ltcensed physicans to work full time.
The ones who are working are working on a consultant
basis. They are not providing the kind of full time
care tbat our patients need and I urge you to please
vote 'yes' to override this veto SO that we can go back
to an improvement in mental health care tn Illinois and
averL the crisis which will come. Thank you .''
Speaker Redmond: 'lRepresentative Bluthardt.îî
Bluthardt: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House.
You know. I'm not a blèéding heart but my heart does
bleed for these doctors who have been brought over here
from other countries. kept here for about twenty years..
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provfded thefr services to the mentally i11 with thefr
limited licenses and now a year ago they were thrown
out. No thanks, no nothing Just outo...you're out. I
don 't know of anythfng aore crude more crasq more rude
than the treatment that these limited physicans have
' received here in Illinois. We opght to be thankful to
them for tbe work they've doae. We found out that we
have not been able to replace them with fully licensed
doctors and it is costing us money to bring in fully x
. licensed 'doctors but' the main point is that ve haven 't
been able to provfde those doctors. Thank God. we '
ought to give these people an opportunity to continue
to earn a living and continue to provide the care that
the mentally i11 need in this state. TO y don 't you give
them that extra vote they need and put them back to
work where they belong.''
Speaker Redmond: ''Have a11 voted who wished? Representative
' :.
* McGrew . Representattve Jacobs.
Jacobs: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. You know, I just can't
understand wby we can 't get enough votes up there...l
thfnk we have now so tbatîse.... Years ago when East
Moline Statè'Hospital, we had twenty-two hundred patient .
Today we have three hundred and eighty and the way they
do away with your mental hospitals today is to cut down
on the medical care and then fn turn they put them fn
nursing homes with 'a pocket full of tranquilizers. I
' think that our mental hospitals- .-if we want to do avay
wielz them then do away with tbe medical care and I think
this is one of the reasons that we 're going to lose
East Molfne State Hospftal. the one probably at Alton
and many others in the state ..- and this is the way
to get rid of them. Wefre following the pattern of
what happened in California ten years ago. Today they
are building new ones and I ask for some more 'aye'
votes up there. Let's put it over bigm''
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Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Criesheimer.'î
Grieshefmer) ''Thank youy Mr. Speaker. I'm sorry that welre
beyond the point of asking questions on tbis but I
would just ask the membership to open up their Dikest
to page 111 and read the Digest on this particular
' :f1l. Ay the Senate Amendment it appears that our
actions bere are totally fruitless. It provfdes a'
time period for renewal from March 1: 1978 to october
1, 1978, or a month aad a half after that. It doesn 't
appear that the passage of thfs Bf11, even over a veto.
would have any effect whatsoever and thus I think vefre
spinning our wheels. I think that if the Sponsor 'wants
to accomplisb this end the best he could do is reintrodu e
the Bi1l. But this B1l1 just doesn't do vhat he says '
it does.'î
Speaker Redmond: ''Have a11 voted who wish? The Clerk vill
take the record. On this question there's 112 'aye? and
54 êno ê. Representatfve Deavers, for what purpose do
ou rise ? ''y
Deave r s : ''Mr . Spe aker , I ' d like t o reque s t a veri f i cation .
-. . ..... p leas e . ''
Speaker Redmond: 'eThe Gentleman has requested a verfffcation
of the Affirmative Roll Call. Representative Jaffe
has requested a poll of the absentees. Mr. Clerk ,
will you poll the absentees.''
Clerk o'Brien: l'ltape failure). Schisler, Telcser and
Van Duyne-î'
Speaker Redmond: î% o11 the absentees, please , Mr. Clerk .
Okay, now poll the Affirmative Roll Ca11.''
Clerk Ha1l: 'îAbramson . Antonovych . E.M . Barnes. Jane
Barnes. Bartulis. Beatty. Bianco- Birchler.
Bluthardt. Boucek. Bowman., Bradley. Brady. Brandt.
!Breslin. Brummet. Byers. Caldwell. Catania.
Chapman. Collins. Contiu Corneal Davfs. Deuster.
Domieo. Do e. Jo D a Enton. Elzel .
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Ewing. Farley. Flinn. Friedland. . Gafnes. Garmisa.
Geo-Karis. Getty. Giorgf. Greiman . Hanaban.
Hoffman. Holewfnski. Dan Houlihan . J.M. Houlihan .
' uoxsey. Hudson . Huff. Hu'skey. Jacobs. Jaffe.
Emil Jones. Kane. Katz. Keats. Kelly. Klosak.
Kornowicz. Kosinski...o''
Speaker Redmond: NRepresentative Kozubokski, for what purpose
do you rfse?''
Kozubowski: HMr. Speaker, would you please change my vote
'no' to 'a e' 11from y .
Speaker Redmond: 'Q hange the Gentleman from 'no' to 'ayev.''
clerk Hal1: ''Levin . Lucco . Macdonald. Madigan. Madison.
Mahar. Mann. Margalus. Marovitz. Peggy Smith Martin .
.Matejek. Matijevich. Matula. Mcclain. Mccourt.
McGrew. Mctendon. McMaster. Mcpike. Meyer. Molloy.
Murphy. Nardulli. Neff. Pierce. Pouncey.
Pullen . Reed. Reflly. Richmond. Robinsèn . Sandquist
Schlickman . Scbneider. Schuneman. Sbûmpert. Steczo.
' E.G . Steele. Taylor. Terâich. Totten . Tuerk.
Vitek. VonBoeckman. R.V . Walsb . W .D. Walsb. Willer.
Williams. Younge. Yourell. Mr. Speaker.''
Speaker Redmond: Representative Cappare . .
capparelli : ''For my Polish leader: Walter'Kozùbowski, would ..
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o u vot e me ' aye ' 1 'fy
Spe aker Redmond : f'Repre sent at ive Deavers y any cltal lenges
t 0 t h e A f f i rmat ive Ro 11 C a11 ? ê'
D a V e r S : 'î Ab r aln s O n . ''e
speaker Redmoad : 'lR/presentative Abramsou here? Abram son .
How is he recorded?'' '
Clerk Ha11: NThe Centleman is recorded as votfng 'ayeg.''
Speaker Redmond : ''Take him off.''
Deavers ; ''E M Barnes.'f
Speaker Redmond: ''E M . Barnes. He's here.''
Deavers; ''Bfanco.''
S eaker Redmond: 'êTake Abramso o . :1 o was tha ?1'
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Deavers; ''Bian co.''
Speaker Redmond: î'Representatfve B'ianco ts in his seato''
Deavers: ''Boucek-'l
Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Boucek. Representative
Boucek here? Remove him-l'
Deavers: f'Bradley-n
Speaker Redmond: î'Representative Bradley here? How is he
rec'orded?''
Clerk Ha11J 'îThe Gentleman is recorded as voting 'aye#.''
speaker Redmond: ''Remove him .''
Deavers: 'V tape fallurel''
k f'Who? Representative Caldwell is heSpea er Redmond: .
on the floor?' How is 'Representative Caldwell recorded?''
Cle'rk Ha11: ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'ayeTo''
speaker Redmond: ''Remove him .''
Dekvers: ''catania.''
speaker Redmond; 'fRepresentative Catanias is she on the floor?
Is Representative Tcatania où the floor? Yeah y she's
next to McBroom .''
Deaveré: ''Representative Chapman .''
Speaker Redmond: ''She's here fn the atsle.''
Deavers: ''Representative Edgar. Representatlve Edgar here?
How is he rdcorded?''
Clerk Hall; ''The Gentleman fs recorded as voting 'aye?.''
speaker Redmond: ''Remove him.f'
Deavers: ''Representative Garmfsa.''
Speaker Reduond: ''Representative Garmisa here? RoT; f:
he recorded?'l .
' clerk Ha11: ''The Gentleman is recorded as voting 'ayel-''
speaker Redmon d: HRemove him .''
Deavers: ''Hanahan .''
speaker Redmond: ''Hanahane I hear' himy he's way in the back -''
Deavers: ''Hadigan .''
Speaker Redmond: ''Madigan is here.''
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Sp e aker Redmond : ''Rep re sent at ive Yahar . lle ' s down in f ron t . ''
Deavers: HRepresentative Huskey.''
Speaker Redmond: 'Q s Representative Huskey on the floor? How
is he recorded?l'
Clerk Ha11: ''The Gentlemah is recorded as voting 'aye î.'l
Speaker Redmond: ''Remove him. ' .
Deavers: ''Representative Neff: fs be on the floor? How is
he trecorded?''
$ clerk Ha11: l'The Gentleman is recorded as vottng 'aye'.''
speaker Redmond: '''Remove him.''
Deavers: nRepresentative Kane.''
Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Kane...he's the good tennis
player there in the middle. Representatire Neff has
returned, Put him back on the Rbll Ca11.''
Deavers: HRepresentative Lucco.''
speaker Redmond: îîWho was that?''
Deavers : ''Lucco .''
speaker Redmond: nHe 's here-ii' his seat, hegs the lfttle
fellow .ff
Deavers: ''ltape failurele'
speaker Redmond: ''Representative Boucek is backs put hfm
back on the Roll Call. Who was the last one you had7f'
Deavers : ''èlatlison .''''
Speaker Redmond: l'Representative Madison.- You: name is Keats ,
they didn't verify you one.way or the other. Represen-
tative Madison on the floor? How is he recorded?''
clerk Hal1: ''The Gentleman fs recorded as vetlng 'aye'.''
Speaker Redmond: ''Remove htm .''
Deavers': ''Margalus.n
Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Margalus fs back there.''
Deavers: ''Representative Friedrich .''
Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Friedrieh is voting fno'.''
Deavers: ''Could I have a number to see how mucb more I needk
() # 11 ....
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Speaker Redmond: HHe's right here. Oh, we'll the other one
is back tber'e/ ' T think .n Representative Christensens
- zs.' . 'did we take him offk'î
Deavers: ''No we didn't bother himy''
Speaker Redmond: î'Anything further, Representatfve Deavers?
Anything furthery Representative Deavers?''
Deavers: IQ lost my glasses, Mr. Speaker. I can 't see that .
far. that's one of the problems.''
N Speaker Redmond: f'Maybe itrs tears. Any further questions
of the Affirmative Roll Ca11?H
Deavers: ''No more questionszî
Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Madfson has returned, put
hfm back on the Roll Call. Mr. Clerk , vhat ïs the
scorak On this question therè's 108 'aye' and 53 'uo'.
The House, having...the motion. having received
the Constitutional three-fifths majorityy prevails and
the House Bill is declared passedy notvithstanding
the veto of the Governor. 529. Representative
Mulcaheyo''
Mulcahey: HThank you: Mr. Speaker, Members of the House . Hous
- . . - - - - - ' Bill 2529 is- thewappropriation Bill for twenty-six
million seven hundred thousand dollars for the construct on
of the Freeport bypass. This Bill passed out öf the
House and out of the Senate overwhelmfngly, overwhelming y
as far as I'm concerned and it even came back to the....
came back to the House for concurrence after it left
the Senate. And T v/uld move rlght norz that ve overrlde
the Covernor 's veto on House Bfll 2529.1'
Speaker Redmond: î'Did you find David? George Ryan wants htm .
' Representative uinchester.''
Winchester: ''Ne11> Mr. Speaker: I hate to stand in opposition
' to the Representatfves motion but I think it should
be polnced out that there is just not five and a half
millfon dollars in our road fund and that is what he 's
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asking for. And I think I should also point out to the
Body that Secretary Kramer bas been to h1s legislative
district on at least two different occasions and each
time he indicated to the Legislator that he vould suppor
this Freeport bypass as soon as they were able to obtain
the funds. Where talking about Federal Funds net Road
Eunds and as we al1 know we could obtafn 75...25: fuadin
if we wènt the federal rdute instead of trying to take
the money out of the Road Fund. Which would mean that
we would only bè-using about a millfoa or mfllion and
a half out of the Road Fund. And I would also like to
point out to,the Body that the plans for the Freeport
bypass are not even on the design stage yet so. we gre
a long way away 'of having to do any construction or any
need for the approprfatfon of *he Freeport bypass. Se
ITm asking the Body....I'm saying to the Body that we
just don't have the money.in the Road Fundy this is
something that 1 think the Legislators should wait untft
the next Gener'al Assembly..o.work with the Department
of Transportation and perhaps ffnd the Federal Funds at
that time aùd go through thef budgetary process and not
try ft through thfs route. Thank you.''
speaker Redmond: ''Representative Cunningham.'e
cunaingham : ''Wel1 Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the
House, before any of you are tempted by the charisma
of the Sponsor to go over the cliff in the sea of fiscal
irresponsibility, #ou ought to thfnk Just a little abou
the bond ...the 's eries A bond fund . Many of you think
of it as a fund tbat has no limits you should recognize
that tbe authorization for S'ertes A bonds in the State
of Illinois the total aurhorization is nine hundred and
sixty-two million dollars. But unfortunately we have
a1ready ......''
Speaker Madigan: 'Q he Chair.recognizes Representative Ryan.
The Chair recognizes Representative Ryan.'l
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Ryan : ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I understand that there is a
Resolution filed with the Clerk and I wish that the Cler
woul; read that Resolutfonz' Mr. Speaker tould we have
. ' . ' a little order in the chamber please, It is a very
fmportant Resolutfon .''
Speaker Madtgan : DMr. Clerk. pkoceed with the reading of the
Resolution.îî
Nclerk OîBrien : ''House Resolution 1162, Madigan-Ryan . Whereasy
our distinguished Speàker and good friend, William A.
'Wild Willy' Redmond, has worked long and hard in the
service of this House and this state; and whereas,
#Wi1d Willy g has abandoned his former lucrati#e career a a
child model as a professional engineer, and as an attor ey
at law , to serve this institution futl time. morning, ne n
. and night; and whereas, in thè .process IWild Willy ' has
. shed many pounds; and whereas, the Membershfp fs concern d
and Jealous over our Speaker's continued loss of veight;
and whereas, îuild Willyl has once again celebrated his
' 39th birthday, on Saturday, November 25. 1978; and
whereas, this is a fitting and suitable occasion for
. 'Wi1d Willy' Redmond to regain the full substance of his
, former self; therefore be it resolved by the House of
Representatives of the 80th General Assembly of the Stat
of Illinois that in celebration of his birthday, we
present our Speaker with a suttable rich and.k..birthday
cake with our heartfest wishes for a happy and healthy
bfrthday and be ft further resolved, that the Menbers of
thts llouse of Representatives, having taken a cue fron Fz'e
example set forth by our Speaker , dedicates this cake to
'Wild Willy ' and only to 'Wild Willy' and charges him wi h
the full responsibflity of disposing of this delicious
token of our esteem and affection without assistance fro
his lovely family, devoted staff or many friends in
this General Assembly.'? .
speaker Madigan : f'Mr. Ryan.f'
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Ryan: ''We11, thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemeu
of the House. I would first like to have leave to have
a11 of the Members added as Sponsors of this Resolution
then I would ask for the adoption of the Ayendment or. A'
the Resolution fn as much ap this is the second time
that Speaker Redmond bas had his 39th bfrthday. We vaat
to be a11 on this Resolution and congratulate him in
behalf of his birthday . We are a little late, Mr. Speak r
only because you didn 't keep us here last Saturday and
I#m sure had you known we were gofng to have a cake for
you you would have kept us in . I vould move for a
unanimous Roll Call on the Resolution for the adoption-''
Speaker Madigan : 'îMrs. Geo-Karis.'î
Geo-Karis: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House.
the o1d nose in the back.o..and just subside. It is not
often that the Speaker gets seventy years ànd is sttll
the Speaker and number two, wè never have Session on
his birthday and 'sinee I'm going to be leaving this
beautiful....wonderful House wfth a11 the noses. let's
sing happy birthday to Bi11. Happy birthday to yous
happy hirthday to vou, happy birthday dear Billy hapry
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birthday to ypu.''
speaker Madigan: NMr . Cunningham .''
cunnïngham ; ''Mr. Speaker, I would call your attentïon to rhe
fact that b0th of these Gentlemen have designs . on your
chair. Have someone else test tbe cake firstw''
Speaker Madigan: ''Speaker Redmondv''
speaker Redmond : ''M r. Speaker and Minority Leader...long may
he vave....friends of the Bouse. You know to say that
I'm touched is minfmizing the feeling that I havey tt
has been a loag time....I doa 't know if I ever celebrated
a birthday here actually in Sessfon but you know: to
be wfth your friends and to have a expression of friend-
ship like this is....ve11, I just can't explain how I '
feel about it. The only thing that 1 can say isy I don '
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really believe that I could finish it myself so I'm goin
to ask Chalkfe here to help me. Thank youn .thank you
r much .''ve y
Speaker Madfgan : ''A1l those in favor of the adoption of the
Resolution signify by voting 'aye'y a11 those opposed
by voting rno'. ....sha11 take the record. Mr. Ryan.'?
Ryan: ''Could we put that on Postponed Consideration?''
Speaker Madigan : 'fWe wfll run a new Roll Ca11.''
Ryan: ''A new Roll Call, al1 right. That's Lechowicz's lob.
Mr . speaker now that we have 'Wild Willy' Speaker Redmon
in a mellow mood I would request a Republican Conference
in room 118. fmmediately .''
Speaker Madigan : HTake tbe record on the motion for the adopti n
of the Resolutfon. There will be a Republican caucus
immediately . Mr. Mulcahey....l4r. Yulcahey zî
Mulcabey: ''We11, Mr. Speaker I believe we're on House Bill
2529 prior to the Resolutiony''is it not in order to
go back before we have this caucus?''
'
ker Madigan: ''I'm not aware of what our posture xzas at theSpea
time I assumed the Chair. Was it your Bi11? Do you
uish to proceed? I think that if you vish eo proceed
Ehen we ought to do t:at.''
Mulcahey: ''I think so, Mr. Speaker, we've had some debate on this
already and so 1....1'
speaker Madijan: ''AII right, the Clerk shall return to the
order of business. Mr. Ryan , after the vote oa this
particular Bill we will recess for your caucus and who
Iwas speaking au the time of the interruptioa? Mr.
Cunningham: do you wish to address the Body again.oono .
Is there any further debate on tbis 1ssue?.....''
speaker Redmond : ''Rep resentative Mulcahey , isn ' it ....to closd .''
Mulcahey: î'Mr. Speaker, I would settle for leave to use the
last Roll Call if there is no objectionsa''
speaker Redmond: ''Is there any oblectfon to usfng the last .
unanimous Roll Call? Representative Ryan.'f
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Ryan : ''I obJ ect . ''
Speaker Redmond: 'îokay . The question is, shall House Bill
2529 pass notwithstanding rhe veto of the Governor. A11
in favor vote 'aye'y opposed vote 'no'. Have a11 voted
who wished? Have a11 voted who wished? Have all voted
who wished? The Clerk will take the record. on this
question there is 81 'aye' and 67 'no' and the motion
having fafled to receive the Constitutional three-fifths
majorfty fs hereby declared lost. Do you want to recessy
Representative Ryan?''
Ryan : ''Thirty minutesy Mr. Speaker ought to be sufficient in
room 118, 1:11 repeat that.''
Speaker Redmond: HThe Republicans will have a conference in
room 118. We will be back on the floor at 4:15. Rep-
resentative.Yourell desires to be recorded as votfag
'aye' on the last Bill. Any objections? Hearing none
he will be so registered. Half an hour: 4:15.:: '
Speaker Redmond: êêMessages from the Senate.''
Clerk o'Brien : '1A message from the Senate by Mr. Wrights Secret ry.
Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House of Rep-
resentatives that the Senate accepted the Governor's
specific recommendations for change which are attached
to the Bill of the following title. The acceptance to
which Iîm instructed to ask concurrence of the House to ''
wft; Senate Bill 1790, action taken by the Senates Novemb r
28, 1978 by a three-fifths vote. Kenneth Wrights Secreta y.'e
Speaker Redmond: HAgreed Resolutions. Representative Gforgiog'
Clerk olBrien : DEouse Resolution 1144, Mepike. 1145, Dave Jone .
1146, Kelly. 1147, Johnson . 1148, Johnson. 1149,
Simms-ciorgi. 1150, Pullen. 1151, Catania. 1152.
Chapman . 1153, Chapman . 1154, Chapman. 1155, Chapman .
1156, Waddell. 1157, McAuliffe. 1158, Emil Jones. 1159.
Van Duyne. 1161, Chapman.''
Speaker Redmond; ''Representative Ciorgi.''
Gforgf: ''Mr. Speaker, Mcpikes 1144 compliments the Graaite City
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South High School Warrlors on their soccer championship.
' 1145, J.D. Jones notes the criffin High School golf team
won the C1ass''AA golf championshtp. Kelly's 1146 tells
about a church one hundred and twenty years old. Johnso 's
1147 congratulates the Arcola S & K Rigging of Arcolay
Illinois . Johnson 's 1148 denotes the Arcola Purple Ride s.
Simms 1149 bestows on David Stahl an Eagle Scout award.
Pullenîs 1150 measures the birth of a tea pound three
ounce giant...... Catania's 1151 honors Jorie Lueloff.
of Channel 5 in Chicago . Chapman, 1152 tells of a defea .
Chapman,.1153 the girls archery champions. Chapman, l15
ftnds somebody won an archery tit1e....1155 is a Death
Resolution. 1156 denotes a birthday . 1157 talks about
a corner stdhe. 1158 brags about marrfage. 1159 eulogf es
Joliet Catholic High School. 1161 talks about a Vice
President in the Labor Unions. I move for the adoption
of the Agreed Resolutions.î'
Speaker Redmond: HRepresentatige Giorgi moves the adoption
of the Agreed Resolutions. Those in favor indicate
by saying 'aye's opposed 'no'. The 'ayesf have it and
the motlon carries. The Agreed Resolutions are adopted.
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clerk O'Brien; ''House Bï11 3446p Chapman. A Bill for an Act
to anend Sections of the Ambulatory Surgical Treatment
Center Act. Ffrst Reading of the Bi11. House Bill 3447,
Chapman. A Bill for an Act to amend Sections of the
Illinois Public Aid Code. First Reading of the Bt11.
llouse Bill 3$':8, Chapnan. . X Bill for an lct to appropri te
funds to the Department of Public Hea1th. First Reading
of the Bfll.H
Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Madigan y are you seeking
recognition?''
Madigan: HMr. Speaker, the Clerk has distributed a Supplementa
Calendar and a11 of tbe Bills on that Calendar are on t%
Order of Flrst Legislative Day. Therefore I now move
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to suspend Rule 33-A in order that we may consider these
House Bills on Second Readtng today . And I so move.''
Speaker Redmond: ''Is there any discussion? The question fs on
the Gentleman's motion....Representative Ryano''
Ryan: ''èlr. Speaker is the motion on the Supplemental Calendar?'î
Speaker Redmond : ''It is on the Supplemental Calendar.''
Ryan: ê'Supplemental //1 on a1l the Bflls there.''
Speaker Redmond: HSupplemental //1 started with 3419. 3420. 342 ...''
Ryan : ''Why don't we have....why donlt the Clerk read those so
we know for sure what wefre talking about.''
Speaker Redmond: ''Would you read them, Mr. Clerko''
clerk o 'Brien: HHouse Bills, Second Reading, Ffrst Legislative
Day. House Bills 3419, 3420, 3422. 3423, 3424. 3425.
3426, 3427, 3428, 3429, 3430, 3432, 3433, 3434. 3437,
3438, 3439, 3442 and 3444.'1
' Ryan: ''Tbank you. 1 have no objectiong,Mr. Speaker.''
speaker Redmond: nl u'nderstand that Represeatative Ryan says
it is okay . Do we have leave to use the Attendance Rell
Call in support of the motton. Hearing no objectiony
leave is granted and tbe Attendance RO1l Call be used.
House Cills, Secend Rçading. 3$19.:'
Clerk O 'Brien: HHouse Bi11 3419. a Bill for an Act to amend
Sections of an Act making certain appropriations, re-
appropriations and amending certain act: in relation the e
to. Second Reading of the Bills ao Committee Amendmeats.''
Speaker Redmond: MAny Amendments from the floor?''
clerk O fBrien: ''None.''
speaker Redmond : ''Th ird Reading . 3420 .''
Clerk O 'Brien : ''House Bi11 3420, a Bill for an Act making.
supplemental appropriations''to the State Board of Educat'on.
Second Reading of the Bi11, Ameadment Iik was adopted in
Commftteez?
Speaker Redmond: ''Any motion with respect to Amendment (!1?'1
Clerk o 'Brien : ''xo motions filed.''
Speaker Redmond : HAny Amendments from the floor?''I
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clerk o 'Brien : '1No further Amendments.''
Speaker Redmond: ''Third Reading. 3422.''
clerk o 'Brien: HHouse Bi11 3422, a Bi11 for an Act to amend
Sections of an Act to provide for the ordinary and
contingent expense of various state agencies. Second
Reading of the Bfll, no Committee Amendmentso''
Speaker Redmond; HAny Amendments from the floor?''
Clerk o 'Brien : HAmendment //1, Ryan. amends House Bill 3422
by strfking one line through four and inserting in lieu
thereof; the following and so forth .'?
Ryan: ''Q hank you, Mr. Speaker. I move for the adoptioa of
Amendment //l to House Bill 3422.11
speaker Redmond: 'Q s there any discussion? The question is
on the Gentleman 's motion fn tbe adoption of the Amendme t.
Those in favor say 'aye' oppoàed 'no'. They 'ayes'
. have it and the motion carrfes: the Amendment is adopted.
Any further Amendments?''N
' clerk o'Brien : ''No further Amendments.''
s'peaker Redmond: OThfrd Readfng. 3424.*# .
clerk O 'Brien: ''House Bi11 3424....''
Speaker Redmond: '13.''. .. . . L - ' .. .. . . . . r .
Clerk ofBrien: HHouse Bill 3423. a Bill for an Act to amend
Sections of an Act to provide for the ordinary and contingent
expense of various state agencies named therein. Second
Reading of the Bill, no Committee Amendmentso'f
speaker Redmond : ''Any Amendnenes frem the floor?''
Clerk O'Brien: HAmendment //1 failed in Committee. Floor
A m e Iz d m e n t # 2 w h i (z h I b e 1 i e v e w a s p r i n t e d a a d . . . . . a s c- - -.
11&. Actually v/l failed in Committee so the Amendment prin ed
should be //2. Amendment //2 amends House Bill 3123 on
page 2 by striking line 2, 3 and 4 and inserting fn lieu
thereof; and so forth .''
speaker Redmondl HWho is the Sponsor of the Amendnentr'
Clerk O 'Brien : ''Representative Ryan.''
Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Ryan .''
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Ryan: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and tadies apd Gentlemen of the
House. I would move for 'the adoption o.f Amendment :./2 to
House Bill 3423.''
speaker Redmoud: ''Any dfscussion? The question is on the
centleman's motion . Those in favor say 'aye'y opposed
'no ' . The layes' have ft and the motfon carries, the
Amendment is adopted. Any further Amendments?n
Clerk o'Brien: ''No further Amendments.''
Speaker Redmond: l'Third Readtng. 3424. Representative Ewings
would you please sit down. kepresentative Ewing.''
Clerk O'Brien: ''Houae Bill 3424, a Bill for an Act to amend
Secttons of an Act to provide for the fiscal year #79@
ordinary and contingent expense. Supplemental expenses
of the Department of tocal Government Affairs. Second
Reading of the Bill. Amendment IIk failed in Committee.
Amendment ?/2 was adopted in commtttee.''
speaker Redmond: nAny motion with respect to Amendment 72?''
clerk O'Brien: î'No motion filed.''
jpeaker Redmond: HAny Amendments from the floor?''
clerk O'Brien: î'No further Amendments.l'
speaker Redmond: HThfrd Readfng. 2425.''
Clerk O'Brien; nHouse Bill 3425. a Bill for an Act to amend
Sectlons of an Act to provide for the ordinary and conti gent
expense of the Department of Transportation. Second
Readtng of the Bi11. no Committee Amendments.''
Speaker Redmond : ''Any Amendmen t s f rom the f 1oo r ? ''
clerk () ' Brien : ''None . ''
s e a k e r R e d m o n d ; '' Th :L r d R ez a d i n g . 34 2 6 . '' 'P
Clerk o fBrien: 'I ouse Bill 3426, a Bill for an Act to amend
an Act making appropriatfons to the ordinary aad continga.t
lexpense of the Liquor Control Commission and the Dangerors
Drugs commlssion . second Readtng of the Btll, no commit ee
Amendments.'' !
!Speaker Redmond: ''Any Amendments from the floor?'' 1
clerk O 'Brien: '1None.''i
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Speaker Redmond: ''Third Readipg. 3427.11
Clerk O'Brien : ''House Bill 3427, a Bill for an Act to amend
Sections of an Act making appropriatfons to the ordinary
and contingent expense of the Fair Employment Practice
commission and the Illinofs Commission on Human Relations.
secoad Reading of the Bill, no Committee Amendments .''
speaker Redmond: ''An# Amendments from the floor?f'
clerk o eBrien: ''Floor Amendment //1, Mcclain: amends Eouse Bil1
3427 on page 1, line 22 by deleting four hundred and
seventy-seven thousand seven bundred and inserting in 1ie
thereof; and so forth.''
speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Mcclafnw'f
Mcclain: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of
the House. Floor Amendment #1 to 3427 deletes a provisio
that I think is important for us setting a precedent
in the Illinois General Assembly. What the Fair Employm t
Practice Commission did this morning in coming to
' Appropriation 11 is that they presented us with a budget
which vould fnclude them hiring a staff attorney on boar
which would handle the claimant 'claims fn front of thefr
own Commission . The reasoq why I offer this Amendment- - - . . ..... . . Z . -
' is that I don 't believe the Fair Employment Practice
' commission ought to have oa board a staff attorney who would
be available for claimants to have free of charge for th
' to present their case in front of a hearing officer and
ultïmately fn front of the Commfssfon and the Coamfssfone s.
I thtnk it a blatant conflict of interest. I have talked
to the Fair Employmeat Practice Commission Members, I th ' k
there are two major flaws in having thls kind of procedure.
0ne is. they have no criters on what kind of person can
indeed employ or have Lhis staff attorney and secondly,
the stafd attorney would then again now may be paid for
out of FEPC monies. Tt would also then be an adversary
for a claimant in front of the Commissfon against for
fnstance, like an employer. We don't do such a thing for
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the unemployment compensation we don't do such a thing
in the Industrial Commission workmen ês compensation and
I don't think we ought to set the precedent for tbe
Unfair Employment Praetice Commission. So s thereforey
I ask you to constder this Amendment.o..l hope you
adopt it. Mr. Birchler, Mr. Van Duyne and I and others
fn this Appropriation 11 were disturbed with this kind
of precedent and I move its adoption .''
Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Keatsol'
Keats: 'fThank you, Mr. Speaker. Will Mr. Mcclain yield? Oh '@
well Mike...''
Mc c1a in : ''Yes . '' .
Keats: HIs this a classic example where the government is goin
to pay for the attorney on both sfdes? Is ehat really
what it is? We're koing to pay for the a'ttorney on b0th
sfdes of the case?'' .
Mcclain: ''We11, yes, Bràin (s1c) and more importantly I think
' it sets a bad precedent because the attorney that fs
employed by the FEPC to be an advocate foq that claimant
would also develop relationships within the hearing
officers and the Fair Employment Practice Commission.
- ' ' And theHêfo'reirlould be én unfafr azvantage I tbink to
the claimant. I'm not so sure that the ctatmant that
' should not bave fair representation but I think it ought
to come from the 'Attorney Generals Office or maybe a
Governor's action offtce. But certainly not within the
Fair Employment Practice Commission.''
Keats : ''Okay thank .you . I#m with you .''
Mcclain : ''God I just got defeateda''. ?
Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Cataniao''
catania: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House. I
rise in opposition to thfs Amendment as was explained by
the council for the Fair Employment Practice Comnlssion
this morntng. Thts is a common practice in other states...
just sïnce thfs morning I have been able to determine th t
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in New York , Pennsylvania , New Jersey and Ohio the Fair
Employment Practice Commissions have gone to this practi e
because it is a savings, not an expense. And 1et me
explain why this is the case, when people come to the
Eair Employment Practice Commission they are told you
may zo to legal aid or you may go to a bar assocfatfon
to ffnd an attorney eo represent you. If they go to
legal aid and they are making for instance ten or twelve
thousand dollars a year legal aid will say. you cannot
have a legal aid attorney you uust go elsewhere. They
go to the bar associatiom they get a referral they go to/
the attorney the aitorney saysy yes, I will certainly
'Mlt need' five hundred dollars up front.represent you.A11' tight is this person is'making ten thousand dollars a
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year is the sole support for one or two childrea and is
tn a situation where they are filing a complaint wtth th
t h imply in 'many èases. I can't afford toFEP t ey say s
pay my own attorney. They go back to the FEPC aad t%e
' case proceeds whether they have the attorney or not. Th
hearfng officer is then put ln the 'feuation of having t
direcr rhe complainant'hàving 'tô,ln éffectyshepherd them
through the entire proceedings. Aad the hearing officer
is spending a great deal of time that simply ought to be
spent by an attorney instead. Representative Mcclain
makes the excellent point that they did not have a
criterion for deciding who woutd be able to have such an
attorney represent them. They tell us that they will
course develop such criterion they do not have Lhem
because they donît have the moaey yetythey are not in
a posftion where they can go out and even htre thee .
attorney who they need. Representatfve Mcclain also sai
to me,although I recall he sald thfs fn his openfng re-
marks,,ehac he is concerned about conflict between the
hearing officer and the attorney b0th being employed by
the Fair Employment Practice Commission. Well ve a11 ha e
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' to deal with conflicts a11 the ttme, we woutd have to
rely on their professional behavior and obviously other
states feel that this is an acceptable practice. I have
mentioned those states who have already gene to thfs
practice to save the time and money of the taxpayers.
This is also as I pointed out an acceptable practice
that has been years...for some time in the Nattonal Labo
Relation Board an'd I do ask for your overwhelmin: defeat
of thfs Amendment.'l
Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Madigan.''
- Madigan: HA question of Representative Catania.v'
Speaker Redmond: nProceed.''
Madigan: HHas anyone solicited the Illinois Bar Association or
' . the Chicago Bar Association as to an opinion regarding
î ther.how consistent this would be with legal canons of .ethicsi''
' ' catania: ''I don 't believe that they havesbut part of the probl m
apjears to be that. when reférrals are made, the lawyers*'
. the people are sent to are asking for fees that people
simply cannot afford. Ahd so .people are forced to go
ahead without an attorney so perhaps if the bar associat'ons
do vssh to becone Jm'volved they could try to set up sone
kind of system so people could be represented without
r e a t c o s t . f' .g
Madigan : ''I understand the problem. It fs a usual problem wit
' people seeking legal advise kf they have a difficulty
paying the fee. However. it seems to me that any attorn y
who wou'ld be placed in this position would be required
to obtaln an opfnion regarding che canon of ethlcs befor
they could proceed in this representation.''
catania: f'Wel1, Ifm sure that they would not proceed in this
situatioa that the FEPC is aslcing to have funded tf it
would be a violations of ethics.ue a11 know an attorney
in the State of lllinots would allow hfmself or herself
to be placed in that poéition and that the Bar Associati ns
' would guarantee that.''
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Madigan : ''We11..-.very interesting comments. The attoraey
Members of this Body yl think awould have to be guided
accordfng tc thefr fnterpretaelon of the canons ok ethics
on th is vote .''
catania: ''Q emvsure they wfll be, Representative Madiganwê'
Speaker Redmond: HRepresentative Pullen . Representative Georg
Ray Hudson, would you please sit dowa. Also Mr. Ewing.''
Fullen : HI believe the Sponsor of the Amendment is Nr. Mcclain,
is that correct, Mr. Speaker?l'
Speaker Redmond: HThat lsscorrect.''
'ullen : HW111 the Sponsor' yield for a question?'' '
Speaker Redmond: nHe vil1.1'
Pullen: HMr. Sponsor,this attorney that is supposed to be hire
. by the FEPC under this additional appropriation...to
have cases heard before the Commission...l can't see him,
ks he at his mike7'' ''' ''':
Mcclain : ''I can't hear.l'
Pullen : l'okay.f'
speaker Redmond: HThe Gentleman cannot hear the question, wilt
you please give the Lady order. Please.''
Pullen: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This attorney that the FEPC
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is attempting to add to their staff wtth this Amendmeaty
is this attorney to represent defendants and claimants
or only claimants?''
Mcclain: Honly claimants and only those claimants that would
petition and FEPC right now has no criterion on who thos
claimants could be. So therefore, seemingly it could be
claimants or tt c'ould be no claimaats but right now
they have no criterïon . So right now it is only claiaan s
not the respondents.''
Pullen: ''Thank you. Mr. Speaker may I address the Anendment?''
Speaker Redmond: O/roceed.n
Pullen: 'Q would like commend the Sponsor on an excellent
Amendment and on his taking an issue when it arose and
bring it to us here and giving us the opportunity to do
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the right thing. I think that this is another instance
of a regulatory bureaucratic agency attempting to stack
the deck in its own proceedings and I think it should
be condemned. A previous speaker cited the fact that
Nev York, New Jerseys PennsylvAnia and Ohio has done
this before us. I think the day has ended when we pay
attention to what New York, Pennsylvania and New Jersey
and ohio do. I certainly hope so. And I certainly hope
that we do not follow their lead in this siate. A previo s
speaker also mentioned that the National Labor Relatioa
Board has this set up: there are a very few agencies in
' the United States that are more stacked and unfair than
' that agency no matter how you feel about their decision.
Their procedures are awful and 1 hope we do not make tha
same mistake with the FEPC in Illinois. I commend Mr.
Mcclain and I hope you will al1 support his worthy
Amendment.'' -
speaker Redmond: ' ''Is there anything further? Representative
' Mann .''
Mann: OMr. Speaker, I would like to apologiae to the Sponsor,
I was off the floor khen he presented his rational for
the Amendment and I wonder if he would breifly do it
ain 'Tag .
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R d d: 1'Re resentative Mcclain . Mcclain.''Speaker e mon p
Meclain : 'tThank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, Mr.. Mann, the Amendnen
reduces the sum total of federal dollars to the Fair
Employment Practice Commission which was earmarked by
the FEPC to employ a private attorney . I do not belfeve
that th e Federal Employ ....The Fair Employment Practice
Commtssion ought to have on board a staff attorney avail le
to claimants, to represent them at the hearing stage in
front of an employee of the Fair Employment Practice
Commfssfon whfch fs thar hearfng officer. And also in
front of the full Commission, I believe that it is a
conflict of interest, it is not that I don't believe tho e
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. claimants ought not to receive a legal representation .
I thtn'k it would be better put iato a Governor's Action .
office or the Attorney Generals Office like consumer affa'rs
of some sort but I don't believe....l tbink it is just
a conflict of interest. Secondly I think that it fs a
bad precedenty we don 't do it for Unemployment Compensati n
we don 't do it for the Industrial Comuisston yc don 't
think ve ought to start it here at FEPC and thirdlyy the
Sponsor claims a 1ot of states do it although we found o t
now from region 5. Otis Nickolson , Assistant General
Council of EEOC that is the Equal Employment Opportunity
j 'Commission, that they don t even do it. So for those
three reasons I think that this money ought to be takea
out .of the budget.''
Speaker Reduond: flRepresentative Brummer.o...Represeatative
M n ardon me.'' 'an , p
Mann: Hdr. Speaker, I Vould like to address myself to the
Amendment.'f
Speaker Redmond: MProceed.''
Mann: ''Mr. Speaker: I think this fs a bad Amendment. I thiak
it is a very bad Amendment, I think the people who appea
before the Fair Employment Practice Commission do so
reluctantly ...they do so under a 1ot of pressure because
they may lose their job because they take the initiative.
I rèmember when Corneal Davis first came up with a Bil1
giking the Commission the right to initiate complaints
' and everybody said that this fs wrong. I don't see any
conflict in helping enforce where there is a public
policy ôf the .state o f Illl.nos.s namely tbat w e have equa
opportunity for everybody in this state. That's what
we have and that's whyi: we' have an attorney there and
we've got to assume tbat hearing offtcers have the
intekrity to make a judgment about whether or no t a
complain t is valid . Now w e ' re gofng . . . . go ing to use the
s ame r ea s o n ing th a t Mr . Mc C1a in do es y we mi gh t as we 11
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eliminate the public defender, the pqbliu defender is
committed to the rights of the defendant isn 't he? Now
either we have a public policy of fair employment practi e
in the State of Illinois or we don#t. I think this is
a bad Amendment and I think it ought to be soundly defea ed,
especially by people on this side on the aisleyifyin fac
we really stand for what we say we do in our platform.
I urge a 'no' vote.''
. Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Brummer. Representative
Brady will you please be seated.''
Brummer: ''Yes, I rise in support of this Amendment. I would
like to point out as I think it has been pointed out
previously that we have legal aid for the purpose of'
providing legal assistance to the indigent. We do not
provide....there is some indication by the Sponsor of
the Bill that there are some who would not qualify for
legal aid but yet could not afford legal council. I do
not think we provide those with regard to the court of
claim,with regard to unemploymént insurance with regard
to public aid with regard to Industrial Commission . I#
think standards and the criterion set up for public
atd or for legal aid are such that those who cannot
afford legal assistance can obtain legal assistance thro gh
the various legal aid agencies that are set up. In
response to the contention that there are certain people
who can obtain no assistance whatsoevers I would like
to point out that the Federal Social Security system
sets up a mech an ism by whieh legal assistance can b e
provtded froi the proceeds with regard to social securit
claims that are ffled . So that those who cannot obtain
any assistance either from legal aid as a result of
making too much money or havfng too much assists can
nevertheless obtain council through social securtty. I think
that provides the mechanism by which the attorney is
fndependent.a..fs not an eon board employeeRof the agency
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before which it is appearing and present a much more
fair mechanism. For these reasons I think the Amendmeut
should be supported-'l
speaker Redmond: ''Representative Mcclain to closeo''
Mcclain : ''Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker . Ladfes and Gentle en ,
' s6 that I donît confuse the issue anymorey it is n'ot that
I disagree with legal representation for those claimaats.
What I do foresee is a blatant conflict of interest where
. you have on board attorney that represents a claimant
in front of the hearing officer and the Commtssion which
is employed by the FEPC. I see that as a blatant conflicç .
of interesty the Equal Employment Opportunfty Commissfon
does not even do it...which is the Federal Agency above
the FEPC. And for the three reasons that I 've seated .
prevïously, 1 would ask for you to adopt this Amendment.
Thank you.''
speaker Redmond: ''guestions on the Gentleman's motion for the
adoption of Amendment //1 to House Bi11 3427. Those in
favor vote 'aye' opposed #ote 'no'. Representative. #
Corneal Davis.to explain his vote.''
Davis: î'Mr. Speaker y'it will only take me a minute to explaiu
my vote. If I vote for this Amendment 1.*11 be voting
against the public defender . And if we Vre going to
abolislz it for people who come for some aid....to the
Fair Euploymen't Fractice Commissiony then we should
deny a Judge the right to appoint a public defender.
And I vote 'no '.''
Speaker Redmond : HHave a1l voted vho clshed? Represenraelye
catania-''
Catania : ''Representative Feters ....''
Speaker Redmond: ''Representative Catania-''
Catania: ''I think Representative Peters wanted to speak.''
speaker Redmond: ''Representative Peters .n
Peters: HMr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Houses
I fully understand what Representatfve Hcclain is attempting
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to do by this Amendment. And unfortunately I'm searchin
my desk here .to see how it is written. I'm not surey
Representative Mcclain,that the purpose for which you
offer this Xmendment is going to end up being accomplish d
in that the total appropriation is two hundred and thirt -
two thoMsandythree hundred' dollars. And just by deducti g
the amount of money you have deducted does not prohibit
the FEPC Cömmission here from still using the remaindtr. *
of the funds for the purpose you want to prohibit them
from using. I don't know how we could resolve t:e
problem here....in a sense I1m a bit sympathetic with '
what you 're trying to do but I'm not sure it is going to
'
ydo what you want it Eo do. A11 we re going to end up
doing is feducing the appropriation by twenty-five
thousand w/thout accomplishing the purposeo''
speaker Redmond: nHave a11 voted who wished? Representative
Catania.'' ..
. catania: ''We11m thank you, Mr. Speaker. I dfd want to pofnt
out that whtle I'm just as much in favor of savtng feder 1
money...as state money this is al1 federal dollars that
wegre talking about. And it ts money that has been
..=......- . .. = : given to us by the Federal Government. We were the
only state that applied that received a hundred percent
of the fuading that we requested and we did that because
we have so sufficiently improved our record on handling
FEPC cases recently . Also I find it difficult to betiev
that Representative Mcclain is really sincere in wanting
the Attorney General to acquire a battery of lawyers to
handle these kinds of cases. I suspeet that that is not
really the motive that is behtnd a11 of this and perish
the thought that we should not want more lawyers tn the
private sector so that.....in the public sector so that
' lawyers in the private sector might get more of tbis
kind of money. Let's face ft Ladies and Gentlemen, there
are sfmply people who cannot afford to hire private attor eys
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and these are the fndfgent and .l ffnd ft amazfng that
there were some Democrats over there, the people vho say
they are the Party of the peoplec the defenders of the
d the? oppressed who are sayings we are lot willingpoor an
to help pay for the legal cost to defend these people
when they go and ask for eiual pay for equal work. Please
vote 'noê on thfs Amendment.'?
Speaker Redmond: HRepresqntative Deuster.''
Deuster: ê?We11s Mr. Speaker, I wöuld lfke to just urge more
fyes' votes up there. If you put your shoe.eo.yourself
in the shoes of a person haùléd before the Fafr Employme t
'ractice Cbmmission acused of some form of discriainatio
and you find that the complafnant ' over there has got
a lawyer and then you find later that that lawyer is
patd by the Commission that youere appearfng before that
. is supposed to be neutural and dispensfng Justice: you
would be outraged and shocked. I thfnk that ft fs absol tely
wrong as a matter of principle no matter how much money '
' is involved....to have the courty the Commfssfon that
you ' re app earing f or . . . .p ay ing that person who is
complainfng agafns t you . Now they can go out ï. f they
=-=- . - ' - a r e . p o o r an dFg e e 7, 1 e g' a 1 -. co ùnc i 1 '. s o me xkh e re e 1 s e ' b ut i t wo l d
be absolutely wrong to have a Commtssfon to do that aad
I would urge more 'yes' votes for this. fmportant Amendme t
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d taads up and pledgewhich makes sure that when somebo y s
alleges'to the flag and talks about justtce, that vhen
they appear before the Fafr Employment Practfces Commfss'on
they are really getting justfee and they are not having
that very Commlssion thaé is supposed to be neutural
subsidizing the attorney. Because your small busfness
person is going to have to pay for hfs own lawyer. So I
vote.o..urge many more green votes in support of this
good Amendment.ê'
Speaker aRedmond: ''Have a11 voted who wished? Representattve
' Ray Ewellzê.
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Ewell: MMr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen, you#re talking about
one posftfon vtwenty-sfx thousand federal dollars. Every
year the Federal Government may waste money on various
prolects. They do it on the roadsp bridgesy the highvaysy
what you fre talking about is peoplepk .let's say minoriti s
let's say the women. People who feel.'rhey have a
justified complaint, unable to prosecute the particular
. case. unable to even bastcally bring it to the attention'
of the proper person who ought to be involved. I think
if you stop and weighcthis one job against the Vast
expendfture ve're gofng to make fn the Pontïac rfots' I
think it will indeed be lust a drop in the bucket. The
. interest of justice in this country has always rode abov
everything else. And I think it is only fair in this
instance that you allow this one simple office to help
. facilitate the work of the Fair Employment Commission.
It is equitàbleyit's fair and -costs the state not one
. Speaker Redmond: 'îHave a11 voted who wished? Represeatative
)f 11 'ann.
Mann : ''Mr. Speaker, I think this is a very very basic issue.
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f 'hé state of Illinois ior a veryThe public policy o t
very long time has been that the people in this state
regardless of sex, religton or national origin , have an
' equal opportunity fo'r employment. And for anybody who
represents anybody in thts state with a . minority con-
stituency, who can staad up and vote for thfs Amendment.
I think is doing a disservice to tha t constitueacy . Aad
I vant to 1ay it rlght on the lfne to the people on Lhis
side of the aisle. The Democratic Party has stood for
Falr Employment Practices Commission ever since tt has
been an institution. And for us to turn our back on
FEPC, as far as I'm concerned is a treacherous act. It's '
a retreat, it is somethlng that the Democratic Party ough
not to do. we ought to be ashamed of ourselves . Any
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Democrat who votes that way is violating our position.
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, , 11 .I urge a no vote . .
Speaker Redmond: nRepresentative Anderson.'l
Anderson: '.1Yes, Mr. Speaker. I have a young lady in my distric
who has filed a suit with FEPC, who has./..she is up agai st
two hundred and ftfty chain stores in the country. ' And .
she hasn't any money to fight this case but she doel have '
a good case and 1 think she should have every chance
possible to win . And hot to be against a legal firm tha
has two hundred and fifty storesy she has three children
and she doesn ît have any money and I th'ink she should be
gfven every chance that we can give here'l
Speaker Redmond: ''Have a11 voted who wished? The Clerk vill
take the record. 0n thfs question ehere 73 îaye' 81
'no ' the Gentleman 's motion fails. Any further AmendmRn s?H*
clerk O 'Brien : #'No further Amendments.'' '
speaker Redmond: nThird Reading. 3428 .1'
clerk O'Brien: ''House Btll 3428, a Bill for an Act to amend
' Sections of an Act makfng appropriatfons to the ordinary:
and contingent expense of the Department of Agriculture
and emergency services in diaster agency. Second Reading
of the Bi11, no Committee Amendments.''
speaker Redmond: ''Any Auendments from the floor?''
Clerk o 'Brien: HNone.''
Speaker Redmond: ''Third Reading. 3429.:1
Clerk O'Brien: l'House Bill 3429, a Bill for an Act to amend
Sections of an Act to provide for the ordinary and
con ctngent expense of che Departmen t of Transportacion . Secon
Reading of the Bill, no Commfttee Amendments.''
Speaker Redmond: HAny Amendments from the floorzl'
Clerk O 'Brien: î'None.l' '
Sèeaker Redmond: HThird Reading. 3430.''
Clerk o'Brfen) ''Bouse Bill 3430, a Bill for an Act to provide
for the ordinary and contingent expense of the Commission '
on delfnquency preventfon fn the Department of Children
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and Family Services. Second Reading of the Bi11, no.
commfttee Amendments.''
Speaker Redmond: Any Amendments from the floor?
Clerk o'Brien : l'None.''
Speaker Redmond: nThird Reading. 3432.:*
Clerk O'Brien: ''House Bi11 3432, a Bill for an Act making
appropriations to the Speaker, House of Representative.
Second Reading of the Bi11, no Committee Amendments.''
Speaker Lechowicz: MAny Amendments from the floor?'f
Clerk O'Brien : ''Nbnee''
Speaker Lechowïcz: f'Third Reading. 3433.''
Clerk O fBrfen : HHouse Bi11 3433, a Bill for an Act to ahend
Sections of the School Code. Second Reading of the
Bi11. Amendment ïl1 was adopted in Committee.''
Speaker Lechowicz: Hbut of the record. House Bill 3433.1*
Clerk O 'Brien: ''House Bill 3433, a Bill for Act to amehd
Sections of the School Code. .second Reading of the
B1l1. Amendment //1 was adopted fn Committee.''
Speaker Lechowicz: ''Any Amendments from the floor? Any motions
on-Amendment 712'1
Clerk OgBrien: 1'No motions filed.''
Speaker Lechowicz: 'lAny Amendments from the floor?''
Clerk O 'Brien : 'fFloor Amendment //2, Mcclain. Amends House
Bill 3433 as amended on page 1, line 1 and so forth .''
Spekaer Lec'howfcz: HThe Gentleman from Adamsy Mr. Mcclafn on
Amendment //2.:7
Mcclafn: ''Thank youv Mr. Speaker. Ladfes and Gentlemen of the
Rouse, this Amendment I've talked to Nr. Ryan about, Xr.
Kent, Representative Madigan and the Speaker of thq Hous .
It's an Amendment that clears up a conflict of interest
or at lea'st part of the qualffication of a person servin
on State Boards of Educatfon. Al1 thfs fnsert...w.rfght
now the language reads , 'no person shall be a member of
State Board of Education who is gainfully employed or
admfnistratfvely connected wfth any school system or
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institution of higher learning, public or private. Nor
shall they be members of any School Board or Board of ' school Trustees of a pubzsc or non public school. Al1
we do isy we further clarify this qualification so it
puts it *fthin tha 'èonfines of Illinois and so now it wou d
ready no person shall be employed or administratively
connected with any school system or institution of higher
learning public or private wfthin Illinois. So ft limits
a person-who might want to serve on a School Board or
a higher learning facility outside of the State of
Illinois as an honorarium or somethfng lfke that. It
permits that person to serve on the Board whereiuy and
so al1 we do vith this Amendments we say that part of
qualification they cannot be a member of State Board of
Education as long as they are part of a Board within
Illinois. So it is a clarificatton of the qualification
on conflict of interest and on the qualifications of a
. member of the State Board. Like I said: it has been
approved...
Speaker Lechowicz: nAny discussion on the Amendment? The
Gentleman from Dupage, Mr. Hoffman.'f
Hoffman: HThank you. Mr. Speaker, Ladies and centlemen of the
House, I rlse in support of this Amendment. This Bill
was a Bill tbat was sponsored by School Problems Commissi n
in '73 and this clarifies the issue. There is no conflic
here and I would urge the adoption of this Amendment.''
Speaker Lechovfcz; ''The questfon fs, shall Amendment #2 be
adopted . Al1 in favor stgnify by saying 'aye ', opposed .
Amendment //2 is adopted. Any further AmendmentsR''
Clerk O 'Brien: ''Floor Amendment #3y Ewing. Amends House Bill
3433 as amended in paragraph . ''
Speaker Lechowtcz: ''The Gentleman from Livingston, Mr. Ewing,
Amendment //3.::
Ewing: ''Yesy Mr. Speaker, thfs Amendment would put the...-this
B111 for fundipg of the dfstribution of the tbirty millio
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dollars in education into the posture of makfng thirteen
hundred and five dollars éer student instead of the
thirteen ten . The other ten million that would be saved
would be then distributed to fully fnnd the transportatio
cost under House Bill 3420 and I would ask for the
adoption of this Amendment.''
Speaker Lechowicz: The Gentleman from Dupagey Mr. Hoffman on
the Amendment.z Hoffman .'l
Hoffman: 'Q hank youy Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of th
House. Contrary to the previous Amendment I rise in
opposttion to this Amendment. This will reduce the
distribution of the general distributive fund by five
dollars a student or approxtmately ten million dollàrs
across the state. This th'irty million dollars was
originally appropriatèd by this General Assembly for this
speciffc purpose last sprfng. It does not fncrease the
appropriation level at all, if merely provides for the
propet distribution of the money in the general distribut've
fund and for that reasona oppose this Amendment and wo d
k a 'no' votg.''as
Spaaker Lechowicz: ''The Gentleman from Coles, Mr. Stuffle.ee
stuffle: ''Yes, Mr. Speaker and Members o'f the Houve. 0n this
particular Amendment youfre given an option in effect.
You can either leave this Bill at the thirteen hundred
and ten dollar per student level: it beneffts everyone
in the state of Illinois and rluBhly distributes the
thirty millfon dollars to the school districts in the% .
state on similar basis perueatage w ise as the curreac
school aid 1aw that we hashed out fn the sprlng. or you
can take Representative Ewing's optiom swhich by the way .
he and 1 sponsored Bill that gives the option of using
twenty for formula and ten for transportation . Or you
can take the option ...the other alternative which is
thirteen ten whtch I put on this particular Bill today
in Committee. It is merely a matter of your deciding
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74.
whether you believe the money should be distributed solel
thirty million dollars thröugh the formula or split with
transportation. The other conyideration without taking
the position pro or con on the Amendment is this, tf you
wish to go to the thirteen hundred and five dollar level
keep mind that is the level youlre going to be at
in the future. If you wish to go to 'the thirteen hundred
and Een dollar level that's the level..athe botkom youf're
going to be at in the future. You're going to be better
off in the future under the formula without the Amendment
but if you want to put some 'into the formula and the rest
into transportation then you should support tbe Amendmeat
If you think the whole bit should go into the formula
money for current and future distribution, thirty million
dollars now and the rest later then you should vote
that way . You're only dealing with transportation for
one year. In effect yom 're deàling kith the formula
h on-going basis beyond tbe issue of this years beyondon a .
' QYC iSSll2 Of tbirty million dollars.''
speaker Lechowicz: ''The Gentleman from Dupage, Mr. Schneidero''
schneider: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Members, I share the
previous speaker's opposition to the Amendment. 0ne reaso
in addition to those that they have not mentioned is that
the School Problem Commisslon is currently in the process
of takfng a new look at the téansportation formula. I'm
chairing a Subcommittee which will b'e responsible for
that , at least for that Comm ission and I tbink we Rre no t
only premature in beginning to reallocate formula dollars
for transportation but that it fs premature 'in a sense
that we haven't really looked at transportation in many
years. so I would advocate that we move to thtrteen ten
and we stay at that figure, wegve decided as we did in
the spring that the fair dlstribution of new dollars I
it's the money that we allocated in the spring. think
it ought to go fnto the formula therefore, I would ask
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a 'no' vote on the motion to adopt Amendment #3.:'
Speaker Lechovicz: ''The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Walsh . Al1
rfght . The Gentleman from Livingstony Mr. Ewing to
1 s e . I ' m ' s o rry . The 6en t leman f rom Coo k Mr . B rady . ''c O ,
Brady: ''Mr. Speaker, I would also urge a fno' vote on this
Amendmente''
Speaker Lechowicz: 'fThe Gentleman from McLean , Mr. Bradley.''
Bradley : nMr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Housey .
I rise in support of this Amendment. Those Members who
have Strayer-Haig districts in their particular legislati e
' dfstricts can at least send spme of this thirty million
dollars back to those Srrayer-Haig districts. 0r othervi e
- they would receive no money at a1l under a proposal vhere
you just raised the figure to thirteen five or thirteen
ten or whatever it might be. Some districts of course
. again webre leavfng them out completely and leaving them
out in the cold.....we#re not.leaving the districts, I '
guess I shoulz sayy we're leaving school children out of
receiving any additional funds fn some partïdular areas
in the State of Illinois . At least we can fund with this
Amendmen: some transportatlon costs ehat we have shorted
the school districts anain aaain again. So I would urge
the Members to take a good hard look at this Amendment
d ive an 'aye' vote.''an g
Speaker Lechowicz: 'Q he Gentleman from Livingston, Mr. Ewing
t o c 1 o s e . ''
Ewing: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House: we'
had some good commen ts on th is. I hope that everybody
understands that by the adoption of this Amendment we
will leave ten mfllion dollars to fully fund transportati ns
regular transportation cost and special education trans-
portation costs in the State of Illinois. This money
will help every distefct in the state...this ten million .
It fs my understanding that it wilt even put more money
into the Cook County schools than tf you put it a11 in th
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formula. We won't be leaving any school d'istricts out
and I would challen'ge 'all of you downstate school people....
Representatives,to remember that you have Strayer-Haig
Districts in your scho'ol distrtct and if you don 't vote
''
!for this Amendment they won't get any of tbe money for
the thirty million dollars that wedre trying to redistri ute.
And for that reason 'l would ask for your favorable
' approval of this Amendment.'' '
speaker Lechowicz: '''The question is, shall Amendment #3 be
' adopted. A11 in favor vote 'aye', a11 opposed vote
lnay'. Steve, fnog. Have al1 voted who wished? Have
a11 voted who wished? The Clerk will take the record.
On this question there are 56 'ayes' 67 fnays' and
the Ameudment is not adopted. Any further Amendments?''
Clerk o'Brfen: ''Floor Azèndment 11*, Polk-stuffle. Amends
!# '. House Bi11 3433.....
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speaker Lechowicz: ''NOE adopted.''
clerk O'Brien: r'on page 16. line 10, by deleting 'estate' and
so forth .fl
Speaker Lechowicz; ''The Gentleman from Coles, Mr. Stuffle.
0ne moment please. l'he Gentleman from Cook. Mr. Madisoru
what purpose dp you seek recognition?'' .
Madison: nMr. speaker, ve don't seem to have eopies of Amendme t
//4 and I wonder if they have been distributed.'l' '
Speaker Lechowicz: ''The Amendment according to the Clerk: just
came in and has not been distrfbuted. Has not been
distrfbuted, Mr.' Madison. Tbe Gentleman from Rock Islan ,
Mr. Polk; what purpose do you seek recognlefen? Mr.
Polk '' ' '
Polk: ''Yes, just discussing Mr. Madison.o..l'll be gtad .to
share it with him . Recon......This is an agreed Amendme t
: and it is a technical change. 1111 be glad to explain
it as i: has been approved by b0th the Republicans and
Democratpa''
spekaer Lechowicz: ''We11, why don't we....1et Mr. Stuffle proc ed
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to explain the Amendment.f'
Pqlk: HIt's my Amendment.'l
Speaker Lechowicz: ''Mr. Stuffle.''
Stuffle: HPolk. It's his Amendmentpl'
Speaker Lechowicz: MOh I'm sorry . Mr. Polk.'t
Polk : ''And 1*11 read the first paragraph. This Amendment makes
a technfcal change which provides specifics as to how
the 90Z hold harmless clause will be administered by. the
Illinois office iof Education, And that's the extent of
it and we have beeh accepted by b0th staffs. Do you
have some question about that, Schneider?'f
Speaker Lechowicz: 'HMr...vstuffle has a question .''
Polk: 'Q f there's questions we'll hold it till it's printed
then I don 't.e.''
speaker Lechowicz: ''Mr. Stuffle, on the Amendment.''
Stùffle: ''The Amendment has been dfscussed by varfoué hembers
of the Educati.on Committee, I don't know if everyone has
seen it. What it does is clean up the language of the
hold harmless provision that we put in the school aid
formula last spripg. That said in effect, if you had
a school district that rece'sved less than 90Z of last .
years entitlement in this particular school year that
you would be able to recompùte your state aid to pfck
up the difference. That only affected the way it was
written .about four dozen districtsy with the tncrease
in the Bill to the thirteen hundred and ten dollars
per student Ievel . That number of districts Would be
sufficiently reduced still and it is merely a technical
Amendment. It does not effect as written the dfstributi a
of state afd.''
Speaker Lechowicz: l'The Gentleman from Dupage, Mr. Schneider.
The Centleman from Rock Island: Mr. Polk to closez'
Pllk; HI belfeve It has been amply dlscussed. it is a technica
clean up and would appreciate an 'ayeg vote.''
Speaker Lechowica: ''The question isy shall Amendment 74 be ado ted.
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A11 in favor signify by saying 'aye'y a11 opposed. Amend
ment //4 is adopted. Any further Amendmeats?n
Clerk o 'Brien: HNo furtber Amendments.''
Speaker Lechowfcz: OThird Reading. House Bill 3434, Represent tive
McGrew .''
Clerk O 'Brien: nHouse Bill 3434, a Bill for an Act making
appropriations for the reimbursement of school districts
of uncompensated transportation expense. Second Reading
of the Bi11> no Committee Amendments.''
Speaker Lechowicz: 'îAny Amendments from the floor?''
Clerk O 'Brfen: HNone.'î
Speaker Lechowicz: ''Third Reading. House Bill 3437. Represent tive
R a n îîY *
Clerk O 'Brien: OHouse Bill 3437, a Bill for an Act to pr'ovide
f or the ordinary and contingent expens e o f the Eea1th
Finance Authority . Second Reading o f the Bill , no
Commit tee Amendments . 19
. Sp eaker Lechowic z : 'fAny Amendmen t s f rom th e f loor ? ''
cl erk 0 1 B r i en : '1No ne . ''
s peaker Lechowic z : ''Th f r d Reading . Ho us e B i11 34 38 y Repr es ent t ive
R an ''y .
Cl e rk 0 ' B r i e n : ''Hous e B i 11 34 38 ; a B i 11 f o r an Ac t t o t rans f er
money between the General Revenue Fund and the Realth
Finance Authority Act . S econd Readihg of the B111> no
Committee Amendments.l'
Speaker Lechowicz: HAny Amendments from the floor?''
Clerk olBrien : ''None.''
speaker Lechowicz : ''Third Reading . H ouse Bill 3439.''
Clerk O'Brien; ''House Bi11 3439, a Bi11 for an Act to amend
Sections of an Act to provide for the ordinary and conti gent
expense the Department of Transportation. Second
Reading of the Bill, ao Committee Amindments.''
Speaker Lechowicz: HAny Amendments from the floor?l'
Clerk o'Brien: HNone.î'
Speaker Lechowiczf 'Q hfrd Reading. House Bill 3412: Represent tfve
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clerk O'Brien: OHouse Bi11 3442, a Bill for an Act to amend
Sections of an Act making appropriations ,to the State
Treasure. Secon'd Reading of the Bill, no Committee Amend
m e n t s . ''
Speaker Lechowicz: 'îAny Amendments from the floor?''
Clerk O 'Brien: ''None .''
Speaker Lecbowicz: ''Thfrd Reading. House B11l 3444, Represeata ive '
Dave Jones.''
Clerk OgBrfen: ''House Bill 3444. a Bill for an Act to amend
sections of an Act to provide for the ordinary and coatin ent
expense of various state agencies named therein. Second
Reading of the Bill, Amendment //1 wavs adopted in Committe .î'
Speaker Lechowicz: ''Any motions on the Amendment?n
Clerk O 'Brien: ''No motions filed.î'
Speaker Lechowlcz; ''Any Amendments from the floor?''
Clerk OlBrien; ''No Floor 'Ameddmentss'l
Speaker Lechowicz: HThfrd Readfng. The Gentlaman from Cook:
Mr . Xourell.on Senate Bill 1550.''
Yourell: ''Thank you , Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen of the
House, I move to discharge the Committee on Environment
Energy and Natural Resources for further consideratfon of
senate Bil1 1550 and have that Bill placed on the Order
Second Reading, Second Legislative Day.ll
S k Leèhowicz: WAny objections? Hearing none, the Billpea er
will be placed on Second Reading, Second Legislative Day.
The Gentleman from McLean: Mr. Deavers. What purpose do
you seek recognition? 0h , excuse me. The Clerk has
in forms me that it takes 107 votes...and vas leave grante
to you to use the Attendance Roll Call? The Gentleman
from Cook , Mr. Levin . What purpose do you seek recognitt n?H
Levin: 'L ....you know, right to oblect. I would just like to
know what the Bi11 does and what the reason is for bringi g
it out in this manner at this pofnt.''
Speaker Lechovicz: ''Mr. Yourell will explain it to you . Mr.
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Yourell.'î
Yourell: nThe Bill was heard in Rules today, it came out of
Rules unanfmously. And what it does is raise the deer
permit to.v..hunting fees from five to fifteen dollars .
It has the support of the Department of Conservation and
a11 of the conservation and organizations in the State
of Illinois.''
j, 'Speaker Lechowicz: Mr. Bowman, does that answer your question?
The Gentleman asks leave to use the Attendance Roll Call.
Hearfng no objections the Attendance Roll Call will be
used. The Gentleman from McLean,'Mr. Deavers. What purp se
do you seek recognition?e'
Deavers: ''Mr. speaker, I would like to clear the record on
House Bill 2506. Representative Edgar came to be to be
verified and by accident I took him off the Roll Call
and I would like to have that in the record.and show tha
Representative Edgar...Edgar did vote for 2506.''
Speaker Lechowicz: HIt will be corrected, Mr. Deavers. on the
Ck endar on yage 4, Total Veto Motions appears House
Bill 2539, Representative John Dunn, do you want to have
that Bill called? Jobn Dunn. Is he there? lake it out
of the record.
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speaker Lecbovicz: 'lHouse. Bill 2597, Representative Williams.''
Williams: HThank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Geatlemen of
the House.....''
speaker Lechowicz: ''Let him read tbe Bi11, Jack .''
uilliams : ''Okay . ''
speaker Leclàok'f cz : ''259 7 . . . . okay. Please proceed . kf 11f ams s
lease proceed . ''p
Williams: MAII right . This was the Bill that provides the.
that the school district..o.the high scbool district may
trans/ort publfc or non public school....students. The
veto of the Governor indicated that he veto this Bill
because be said that it was identical in its inteat and
in its language to 2671 which was Cdsponsored by myself
and Gene Schlickman . However, I would like to point
out that 2597 and 2671 are not identical insofar as it
did not accomplish what the fntent of the Legislature
was and that we could carry tîis out. The Ameadment tha
' we put' on in the Senate which was eoncurred in.-oactuall
by this House is that it does clarify that it ls al1
1p rigbt to mix the high school and elemeatary school child en
I'' on tse same bus . ,.at! Amenr?.ment f/z atso provtdes the mea, sby which the schools can carry this out and it eliminate
'. any retro-activity. I did discuss this- .actualty wit:
J the Governor 's office, I believe that everyone recognizej .. '
that the two Bills were not identical even though they
thought t hat t hey were and I ask f or everyone that did
support us in a11 the moves tbat y you know , that the
B 1. l l h a d . I t h a d s ome 14 5 v o t e s he r e , 5 1 v o t e s in t he
Senate . On a concurrence it was also concurred vith the
Senat e Amendments . . . actually when the schoo ls have t rk ed'
t o put int o prac : i ce what had been in 2 6 7 1 they sound ou
tlzey could not carry it out without two Senat e Amendment
t h a t we h a d p u t o n . I a s k e v e ry o n e t o s u p p o r t lne 1 n t he
overrf de mot ion on this Bill . ''
Speake r Lechow'f cz : ''Any df scussf en ? . . . . . shall House Bf 11
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2597 pass notwithstandlng the veto of the Governor? A11
in favor signify by voting laye' all opposed by voting
'nay'. The Centleman from Dupage. Mr. Hoffman xto explai
his vote. The timer is on .n
Hoffman: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies of tbe House. I
have nothing to add. I Just got it straighteued outw''
Speaker Lechowicz: 'Q t takes 107 votes. Have a11 voted who
wished? Have a11 voted who wished? The Clerk vill take
d On this question there is 138 'ayesf 8 Yna s'the recor . .
and 1 recorded as 'presentl. Thfs motion having recefve
the Constitutional three-fifths majority prevails and
House Bill 2597 is declared passed notwfthstandfng the
veto of the Governor. House Bill 2695, Representative
Tipsword.'f
Tipsword: î'Mr. Speaker and Ladfes and Gentlehen : Hou'se Bill s
2695 is a Bill that provides two different measures in
regard to the income tax in the State of Illinois. The i11
as ft was first heard in the House and as it was passed
' to the Senate with an Amendment. The first provfsion
E provides that a federal job tax credit nrogram for the
1 '77 and .78, for t:e employer's througseut theyear of(
St at e o f Illino ts . As you will re call , the f ederaf
tax 1aw had set up an incent ive t ax credtt f or nev
emp loyee s durf ng thcke years f or employeés throughout
the Pnited States. Regrettably the way that you ffgured
that you could not take t%e amount of that salary off
before you arrived at the line upon which the Illinois
tax is figured . Thereafter a then they figured in a cred 't
which is allowed on the federal tax to the....to these
employers throughout the various states. Consequently
the State of Illinois wound up being on the short end
our employers did not compete with the employers in othe
states who were able to get that credit and also not
have to then pay back a windf a11 t o the stat e ia which
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83.
you will recall on this Bi11 also, in the Senate an
Amendment was added to this Bi11 which provides a very
important provision for taxpayers in the State of Illinoi
on the income tax. This provides the tax indexing provts 'on .
Nherebyy taking the base of January .....of June 30, 1976.
thea on the basès of the tpercentage of inflation 'that is
provided to June 30th of your tax year from that based
date. It vfll fncrease your exemption 'for .every 'taxpaye
in the State of Illinois by the same rate as the rate
of inflation .during that period of time. So instead of
your real rate of elemption decreasing with each inflate
tax year this keeps yoùr tax rate at at a'levèl..aa
coatinuing level with the rate of 'inflation. So that
you are not paying what is in effect, an inflated tax
because we are now held at this one strict level of
exemption in the State of Illinois at one thousand doltar
a person. Thfs wfll fluctuate cfth ehe percentage of
inflation. So I would urge that each and every person
in this House consider that this is an opportunity for
ué to provide that kind of tax incentive that people in
this state has been asking fors the kind of relief that
each and every individual. Now they will-tell you....
somebody will tell you that in one year that's not very
much but lf this inflation rate continues 'as it has in
the past it adds on each year that additional inflation
rate. So that over a perfod of tfme ft does become very
important to the taxpayers throughout the State of Illino's.
So this is our time now to say, yes, we heard you ,we saw
how you voted on the proposltioh so we're gtving you
the first part of our answer in provtding you tax indexinc
for the taxpayers of the State of Illinois.''
Speaker Lechowicz: HThe Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Totteno''
Totten: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the
House. It was just a few hours ago ahat I rose on a poin
of personal prfvflege and made reference 'to the fact that 'khei
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84.
Covernor has said ethat there were sope Legislators who'
'': p ro duc e d go o d i d ea s . I th fnk . . . . . tha t thn. s i s o ne o fj '
those good ideas that this Legislature has produced and
that is: the idea of tndexing the income tax exemption
by the rate of inflation. For you and I know a11 too
well from a just concluded campaign that inflation and
taxes were the malor issues t:at facel those people that
we asked for their vote. There is little that we can
do fn thfs Ceneral Assembly to ffght fnflation bue thfs
is one of those things we can do that can be effective.
For that fnflatfon tax whfch so robs our constftueàts
and the citizens of this state should have been adjusted
almost ten years ago when we adopted the fncome tax .
For 1et me point out that in 1969 when we adopted the
Illinois income tax al1 taxpayers in this state vere
given a tax advantage of one thousand dollars. Because
we have not indexed that exemption since then the real
value....or tax advantage is now less than six hundred
' If e had indexed it by the rate of inflationdollars . w
from 1969 to todpy, that 'pxemption would be worth a litt e
over seventeen bundred dollars and that is just at a
7: inflation rate. More importantlys in effect what we
are doing witbout tndexing is that we are raising taxes
every year without ever legislating because people are
paylng a higher percentage of their fncome to the state
in the form of taxes. With a salary increase that just
keeps .pace with inflation...a person with four excemptfo s
would pay 9.8Z in taxes tncreased w ith a 77( inflatioa
rate. That is a 2.8Z increase because we do not index.
Let me point out in addition....that although the individ al
tax relief is not a 1ot under this proposal, the proposal .
corrects an inequity and an injustice in the preseat
system because the effective tax rate increases if you
do not fndex. Under the preseat unadjusted system the
state is receiving an ever increasing amount of revenues
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85.
because taxes rise automatically. That is immoral and it
is unjust and ft is inequitable. As Members of this
House our most important functioa is to decide which
measures demand immediate attention. I submit that
correcting the inlusttce of inflation meets that criterio
and the Representatives ....and Representative Iipsword
motfon to override should be supported.''
Speaker Lechowicz: ''The Gentleman from Dupagey Mr. Hoffman .''
Hoffman: ''Thank you. Mr.'speaker, Ladies and Gentlemeu of the
House, I eise ia opposition to this motion. It seems
to me that the income tax program that we have in Illinoi
is one of the most equitable programs ef taxatton that
is available. As peoples income goes down the state
takes lessy as the s.neome gces up it takes mere. The
problem that we vreally face fs the problem of the
fnflatfon of the value of real property. And lf we vant
to address the issue of inflation we want to address the
issue of taxation on the basès of pr.iorities because
we cerrainly cau 't do it all. Then we heed to look at
some reasonable and responèible way to deal with the
inflated cost of property as it affects peoples taxes. '
It seems to me that in the short time that we have before
us during a Seésion riike this that we ought to take a
moment and step back and ask ourselves if this is really
the time and really the place to deal with tbis fssue.
Or in fact all rthe thtngs that we have learned during the
last campatgn, a11 the things that we have learned out
of experiences of other states and put together a com-
Prehensive and responsible progran that wtll gtve relief
to those people who most need it and will not harm the
services that we provtde to people aost needed that the
time to do th at is during th e Sprtng Session . And for
this reason as well as the previous mentioned reasons
I rise in opposition to the motion that has been forced
by the most honorable Sponsor of this Bi11.''
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86.
speaker Lechovfcz; ''The Gentleman from Coovk, Mr. schlfckman.''
Schlickman: ''Would the Sponsor yield?''
Speaker Lechowicz: ''He indtcates that he wi11.''
Schlickman: î'House Biïl 2695 is in two parts. The first part
would grant a,deduction to employers and the other part
ides for indexipg. is that correct?î'prov
Tipsword: f'That is correct.''
Schlickman : î'Directipg our attention to the first parts the
part that provides a deduction to employers. Do you kno
of any other deduction that is allowable either to
employ..e.corporation employers or indivfduals'runder
the I'llinois income tax?''
' Tipsword: ''No Sir I do not.'' '
S'chlickman : ''May I address myself to the mo tion . Mr . Speaker . ''
S eak'e r L e chowtc z ;' f'P leas e pro c e ed . ''P
Schlickman : ''Mr . Speaker and Members o f the Hous e . pleas e take
o t: e t h a t i f we ove rr id e th e Coverno r ' s Vet o we ar e go inn
to es tablish a preceden t in the providing o f a deduction
to one special int erest group . I f we open the door f or
o n e s p e e i a 1 in t e r e s t g ro u p in ' pr o v i d i n g a d e d u ct io n yo u
c a.n b e a s s ur e qs y ou ar e s i t t 5 ng 11 e re t o 0 av that o th er
special interest groups will plead for and it wi11 be
hard to prevent their also receiving a deduction. There y.
Mr. Speaker and Members of the Houses providing for one;
a more complicated tax and number two, further reduction
fn state income. Thts deduction alone would result in
a loss of sixteen million dollars tn General Revenue
Fuad money. I respectfully suggest, Mr. Speaker, Member
of the House....only on account of deduction element its lf
the motfon to overrfde should be defeaeed. As I say.
it w ill compound our income tax , it w ill open the door
for other special interest groups and it will reduce
staue revenue at a time when all of us are joLniag 1:1th
our constituents in an attempt to mafntafn fiscat re-
sponsiblity of balance budget. I urge a 'nay ' vote.l'
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speaker Lechowicz: ''The Gentleman from Bureau, Mr. Mautino.''
Mautino : ''Thank you. Mr. Spekker and Ladies and Gentlemen of
the House. I rise in support of Hbuse Bill 2695 in the
overrfde motfon. I vould lfke to point out for this
Ceneral Assembly that much has been said over past two
ia Hyears Concern 8...... .
Speaker Lechovicz: HExcuse me, Mr. Mautino. You will gfve t%e
Gentleman some attentfon please. Please contfnue.''
Mautino: ''Much has been said over the past two years consideri g
1 the business climate of the State of Illtnois. The firs
portion of this legislation, if anyone is familiar wïth
the Job tax credit..,occurs when an employer hires an
unenployed person, gets them off the unenployment role
puts him tq work then the Federal Covernnent allows that
business person a tax offsetl. If'oke state''of' Illinois
wants to be on. th'e- sape b as is as the o ther s t at es in the
unfon, every employer in the state should have the same
opportunity. So when thè other states allow the federal
tax credit to work within their income system the State
of Illinois by not adopting it....and by the way this is
only a tvo year program. If you don't do ït nov it has
not been extended past 1979. If you don't do it now the
employers of the State of Illinois eould never again
take advantage of this federal program which atlows the
tax offset :also to be put on the state income tax. It
is a good program a 'good Btll and it should be adopted.
This is probably the most lmportant 3111 for the employe s
of th e State Ill inoia th at you will look at in this
veto Sessfon .''
Speaker Lechowicz: f'The Gentleman from Christian: Mr. Tipsword
close .'f
Tipsword: 'fèfr. Speaker, I hope that everyone heard the explana ion
fn regard to the emplayment tax credit that vas Just
given by Representative Mautino. It was absolutely
excellent explanation of the reason for that. It is to
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88.
put the Illinofs employers on even footings with those
in other states. We added a completive disadvantage to
them by the means whereby our present tax structure woul
not allow them the deduction that other employers throug -
out the United States had under the federal fncome tax .
Because while they got the credit from federal income ta y
Illinois came along and said, no , we figure ours at a
different point in this process and so consequently we'l
take it away from you. In regard to the tax indexingy
the State of Illinois in its income depends on inflatlon,
it looks to inflation year after year to increase its
tax bft from the people of the State of Illfnots. But
at the same time the Illinois income tax system gives
absolutely no credence, éives no understanding to the
fact that the cost of living goes up at the same tfme
that the income is inflated in this country . And in fac
goes up at a hfgher rate because not everybody is not
;' able to keep up with the inflated cost of living, their
' income just hasn't gone up that much. But you get absol tely
no credit for that increase cost of living for yeur
household under the Illtnois income tax system. This' jwould gfve you by thfs tax fndexing a percentage ehange
in accordance with the rate of inflation ln the exemptiqn
that is allowed fo.r each individual upon your income
tax. It would therefore, at least tend to keep tbat
one exemption in line with inflation and it would not
be a burden upon the State of Illinois. Because it woul
cucutng tnto only whac the state of Illinols is looking
to as ever increasing amounts of taxation under the
income tax. One....by virtue of inflation . Now thts
does not look to it on the bases of economic growth and
if there ls increased taxation by virtue of economic
growth inflation factor does not touch that on real
economic growth. But on the bases of inflation it just
puts the taxpayer on an even keel on th is one exemption
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the only one that we allow to hfm in. the State of Illinofs.
It appears to me that if the propositton that was upon
the ballot this last fall meant anythlng, then it meant
that we should start providing some kind of ta'x relief
to the people of the State of Illinois. I think that
ts what the Governor's program said and this is our
opportunity to say, alkight here is some of that reliefo
let's get started at it. letgs give tt to people who
are going to be filipg their income taxes here in anothe
month or so. This f: where it belongs and it will be
based upon only on inflation rates. A reasonable rate
of increasing that one excemption that we allow for a1l
ayers to 1et them at ieast try to catch up just ataxp
little bft. I urge you-to overrlde the veto of Heuse
Bi'1l 2695 .''
Speaker Lechowtcz: HThe question isa shall House Bill 2695
pass notwithstanding the veto -of the Governor. A11 in
favor signify by voting 'aye' a11 opposed by votiag 'nay'.
The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Mugalian to explatn his
V P V 2 * î î
Muzalian: ''Thank ycu, Mr. Speaker. thirk that the original
Bill before the Amenbment was a good Bill and I voted
for it. But I am concerned about the states fiscal
position and I like to think of myself as fiscally
responsible as I thfnk all of you do. We must remember
that a balance budget depends on tvo factorsy income and
outgo. And at this stage of the Session and this stage
c;e fiscal year I donlt think that we can afford thls
combination of Bills which has the indexing attached
because, according to the research that Ifve seeny it's
going to us about fifty-three million dollars . In
less revenue for this year and I think we a11 should try
to...to keep our promises to our constituents that weere
not going to spend more money than we have. And I think
at this stage by voting for this Bill we will create a
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deficit positton in uthe state so I'm rel'uctantly forced
to vote 'no l .''
Speaker Lechowicz: HThe Lady from Champaign: Mrs. Satterthwaite
to explain her vote.î'
Sattertbwaite: NMr. Speaker and Members of the House, I'm votil
in favor of this Bill. In addition to the fact that the
prfmary purpose of the Bill is .a Job incentive and wil
put more people to work, will help to develop the econor
of tbe state so that more taxes can be collected on morf '
incomes. We then balance that advantage to the employe'
an :incentive to put people to work wftb a small benefit
. to taxpayers. This is not going to cost the State of
Illinois anything. It fs simply going to mean that th6
state is not takipg quite as big a tax bit out of your
pockets when you pay your income tax . If the State of
Illinois were indeed befng completely fair to taxpayer
they would put this increment on the total of the taxy
bill, however, this fs only an fncrement on the one
thousand dollar deductable that you have. And so the
state wi11 still benefït from increases in your salar
beyond that amount. This fs only a small token of
appreciation to our taxpayers for the fact that they
are providing services for the state. I think they
deserve a little bit of incentive to keep on working
k our economy going. I urge a 'yes' vote-''to eep
Speaker Lechowicz: ''The Gentleman from Marion, Mr. Friedrï
Frledrich : î'Mr. Speaker, Members of the House aame recent
I sa< show that now more than 3870, of the personal i:
of thfs country is going for taxation. This means
working clear up until May before you get a dime fo
yourself. It will flnally reach the point whE
you destroy the fncentive to work and when you desl
that,you destroy America. I think we are getting
close to that point right now. England has reache
pofnt an d they are on the way as you know . So if)Qè
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destroy incentive by thropgh this increased, taxation aad
ft fs an increase in taxes whetber it is an increase in rate
' or nots people are finally beginning to wake up to inflat'on
is raising their taxds whether we vote an increase or
' no't. So if you want to leave some kind of incentive for
the people wbo work and produce then I suggest you vote
'aye' on this motionvff
Speaker Lechowicz: ''The Gentleman from Randolph , Mr. Birchler.'' .
Birchler: HThank you, Mr. Speaker. The point of this Bill that
is important has been mentioned here a few times. Small
business people', anybody that hires those people wegre
speaking of on the federal return get a percent of thfs
wages as a credit to pay federal tax with . But when you' e
doing that you must have also substract those wages off
of the wages that are used as a business deduction. As
' a result you're paying on more income on the federal
income but you get that amount as a credit. When you
go to your Illinois return you pick up the figure that
' ts on the bottom of your schedule (C)...or busiaess
schedule to start with . So what wefre doing here by aot
overriding the Governor's Veto . we're penalizing every
business man in the State of Illfnofs that fs hfrfng
people getting this credit. And I thfnk it is very
' tmportant that we get the gyes' votes on there to give
those people credit for employing people that were un-
employed, put him on the payroll and not penalizing him
for doing ft.''
speaker L echowicz : ''The Gentleman from Cook Mr . Keats .''
Keats: ''Thank you. Mr . Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the
House. It probably is not always well received vhea
a Republican gets up and questions his own party but I
thfnk ve have to say , the Republican Party for years has
campaigned as a champion of the taxpayer in holding down
government etc. But when I look at that board I notice
how many of those red lights are Republicans. Any Republican
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voting against'fthiàeBill is a disgrace to his party. And
I want to commend some of the Democrats who are showing
wisdom that you rar4ly display but I want to say in a
sekious vèin, the comment was made that we were taking
money away f rom the s tate . That ' s the s illies t econonic .
comment that I ' ve ever heard . We aren ' t taking a penny
f rom the s tate.,it is no t the s tates money . It is the
t axpayer's money . What *'e are do ing is no t taking tax
money away f rom the s tat e we are s imply leaving earn.e d
income in the hands o f thos e who caus ed pro duct ion that
brought in the ineome . I f you truly have any compassio
f o r t a x p ay e r s y o u s h o u ld b e vo t i a g g r e e n . I f yo u wan t
to gote the llypocrft i cal' po litical route and say v we #ve
go t to p ro t ect the s tat e what yo u î re do ing ts selling out
the p eople who f und you and f und the s tat e . This is
a p r o d u c t: iv i t y i n th e p r i v a t e s e c t o r t h a t b av e bu i 1 t th i s
' d b i1t thi s 'country . A ' yes ' vot e on this i ss t a t e a n u
' ' con tinuing to keep money in the private s ector to develo
. . capftal fnvestments for jobs for the future. The more
money tbat comes to tbe state the less productivity,the
less capital fnvestmenes and less jobs in the fueure.
so I say to you again , any Republican voting red is a
dfsgrace .''
Speaker Lechovtcz: î'The Gentleman from Lawrencey Mr. Cunningha .''
Cunningham : ''Hr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House:
it makes me nervôus to be so...in such complete agreemen
with the Senator in his last remarks. But youêve got
to acknouledge that if we can 't pass this good Btll it i
time to fold our tents and steàl silently away. Goodnes
gracious, a11 of these inflation fighters on this side
of the aisle have turned over their proxy vote to the
Governor for bim to cast them into the Wastebaskers or
wherever else he wants to throw them. But I want to
ind these people that they bave to face the votersrem
agatn two years before the Governor does. And that sole n
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fact should have some persuasive eff'ect on your ridieulous
positfon at the present tïme. We must not let the party
of the jackass seize from us this fine issue of tax .
reform and fighting inflation . Tràditionally it is they
who coined the phase, tax tax : spend spend, collect eollect.
And we must recognize that the voters back home often are- ..
smarter than we realize. we cannot fool them on this iss e.
It is regrettable that so few on this aisle refuse to hear
the word and heed the call of the taxpayers. I ask them
to repent and get aboard here that disasker might be
avoided. Vote green.'' .
Speaker Lechowicz: ''The Gentleman from Cooky Mr. Contio''
Contt: ''As one of the Gentlemen that should be ashamed of
myself because I am vottng red.e..tf there is anythfng
that I have learned in thirty-two years of holding publi
office was fiscal responsibility . 1 wonder how the
Gentlemen that are votfng green voted on the budget here
%' last year. Now that they want to dçduct aaother sixteen
. million dollars. Where is this money going to come fromkî
Speaker Lechowiczh HThe Gentleman from Dupage, Mr. Hoffman.''
l:o'ffman: l'Thank you. Mt. Epeaker aad Ladfes and Centlemen of
the House, I would Just follow the previous.Reprèsentati es
comments by saying, that the House has gained is the
Senatds losâ.'' .
speaker Lechowfcz: ''Have al1 voted vho Vished? Have al1 voted
w%o wished? The Clerk will take the record. 0n this
question there are 90 'ayes' 43 'nays' this motion9
havlng failed to receive the Constitution ok three-ftft s
malority fs declared lose. The Gentleman fron Cook, Mr.
J1m Houlihan, what purpose do you seek recognition?''
Houlthan: ''Mr. Speaker, for a parliamentary inquiry.''
L howi cz : ''What ts 'your inquiry ? ''s p ea k er e c
Ho u1i han : ''l!r . s peak er , re c en L ly we h a d elec t ion o f a Po l t sl:
' Pope and he came not f rom the College o f Cardinals and I
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say about the election of a Speaker: does it have xto be
from a Member of the Kouse or can the Legfslature select
a Speaker that ls not a Member of the Legislature?''
Speaker Lechowicz: ''We will address that issue at the appropri te
time. House Bi11 2695. Representative Totten. Okay.
House Bill 2707, Representative Kornowiczo'l
Kornowicz: HMr . Speaker: Ladies and Gentlemen , I move that Hou e
Bill 2707 do pass to override the Governor's veto. Ladi s
and Centlemen this is the most important Bill in this
Session. Thfs is a tax relfef for our senfor dftfzens
for people that need help. I ask you to override the
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Speaker Lechowicz: ''The Gentleman from McHenry. Mr. Skianer.e'
skinner: ''Mr. Speaker for starters, would like to apologize
to the Gentlèman 6f ,the''Bureau 'ef the Budget whom I
incorrectly attributed an anonymous memo whicb is totall
salaciôus indicating that House Bill 2707 will cost
thirty-five million dollars. WeRve .traced .that zback to ome
time this spring before we took any actfon on the Bi1l.
It deffnitely =f11 not ccst that much. It did not come
from tbe Budget Bureau and I hope if came from a
Republican staffer, tha't I never find out who it vas.
Tbe cost of tbis Bill is a ' sufficient question as we e n
see ftom the vote on tbe last Bi11. Let me run through
with you what I believe it costs. House Bill 2707 in
the Digest on page 137 of Volume I of the #78 Sessioay
fall supplement #1 to 14. Indfcates that the ph#sfeal
impact ts sevenceen to twency mfllion dollars for the
part of the Bfll that will rebate to senior citizens
everything by which their property tax bill exceeds 4Z
of household income. Alkight', nou thatls a big mouthfux'.
What means iss you multiply 4Z times the household
income and the state will rebate everything over that
up to six hundred and fffty dollars. Now if you look at
Senate Bfll 1617 whfch is the Governor's offering on page
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56 of the Digest you will see it as budgetèd for ffve
millfon dollars according to the ffscal note. Before the
Governor upped the ante fifty dollars per houtehold for
' those under nine--..for those earning under ten thousand
dollars. I contend that unless the Department of
Reveaue doesnft know up from down when they ffle fiscal
notes, vhen oue asks for a ffscal note on a 3fll one 1 ,%
gets a fiscal note that tells you the total cost of the
Bill. For that reason 'l thfnk the total cost of House
Bill 2707. the part that I have described plus fncreasing
the maximum income elfgibility from ten to fifteen thous d
dollars.ow.it is seventeen to twenty million doltars. No
the Governor has budgeted five to six million dollars for
that. We may subtract that from the totaly in addïtion
the Governor has obviously budgeted some money for
Representative Pullen's B11l whïeh deals a bit with
retroactivity .section of this eBill. Apparently the no
smoking section fs closing in. ..a.senate Bill 1790 vhi
was sponsored in the House by Representatlve Brady, I
believe and Senator H#nes ia the Senate, is going to
increase the homestead ékemption for seniors by fifteen
hundred dollars. That will go into effect over a period
of years, next year the fmpact *111 be felt ln k of
Cook Countyy k *5 Lake County and a11 the commission
counties. They are reassessing this year . It will not
take affect in the township counties until the year....a
year later. When that is fully in effect it wfll save
three million doliars .e.let 's forget that beoause
doesn't a11 take effect at the same time. I conclude th t
we need additional money of somewhere between eight and
eleven million dollars. This Bill was vetoed one
Prfmary reason if you read the veto message dated in
and that reason was cost . I would point out
this waé about a week and a half before the Covernor's
cost control task force estimated there was four hundred to
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five hundred millfon dollars worth of savings and additio al
revenue in the administration. In addition , it takes in . . . . .
it does not take into account and this is where I would
find the moaey ff a cost control task force delivers
nothiag. Ia the four hundred to five hundred million
dollars of additional revenue that automatically comes
in through tnflationp. . . through the sales tax and the .
income tax . During ,the campaiga we were urged to keep
those on fixed incomes from being taxed out of their
homes. I would suggest that there are problems foT
people under sixty-five which this General Assembly
or that is . the next Generat Assembly will address next
Session. We can address the problem of senior citizen s
and those disabled according to social security thts
Session . Now I donlt use the word solve with regard to
problems in a legislative lor governmental context often
but I use it here. We are going to virtually solve the
problems senior eitizens have wit: property taxes if thi
veto is overidden. We were repeatedly faced durtng the
campaign with the implicavions 'of Proposition 13. I cont nd
that House Bill 2707 is Proposlttkon 73 for senior citize V
in Illinois. If it is passeds no senior citizen wtll
end up being taxed out of his or her home.because a
senior ettizen net tax 6il1 will not increase unless .o oa .
his household, his or her household income increases .
And then if the household income increasesy 'only four
cents out of a dollar 'must be reserved for property
taxes. I think Representative Kornouicz has a superb
Bill here which incidently was the concept of whtch was
introduced by Governor ogilvie in 1972. for any nervous
Repubticaas who think it is a DemocraLie Bill just becau e
it bas a Democratic Sponsor . 1 vould urge everyone to
vote for this Bill with a clear couseience knowing that
he or she will not bankrupt the state government and tha
he or she will be meeting a very real need t%at senior
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Speaker Lechowicz: f'The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Barnes.''
Barnes: ''Thank you very much . Well, Mr. Speaker and Members
of the House, I just would like to add one comment. Whe
this Bill was up before there was some statements realit' e
to the cost and to where there would be funds available
for it. As I fndicated at that time and since tbat
time I've gotten some....have been in receipt of some
updated information Lealative to where the additional
funds could be in the budget currently to more than
compensate for the cost of House Bill 2707. In the
public aid budget in the AFDC lines based on the four
month pk:lactïons startlng from July through october.
The projection have ran consistantly over and beyond the
actudl case loads. Between efght thousand andn .on the
. lower end in July to the current tvelve thousand five
hundred and two as of october.at the end of october.
* 1978. What thfs translates into whether we use the figu e
' of 50Z....50Z oe the 25: expenditure of General Revenuey
what this translates into is approximately thirty-six
million dollarsywhicb will not be spent in that area tha
is currentty already in the current budget, whièh is
more than compensates twice as much as tbe proposed
expenditures which would be incurred by House Bi11 2707.
So for those reasons and in conjunction with the former
speaker .realitive to the Goveraor's cost control reporty
there seems to be more than ample amount of money in the
aurrent bttdget to cover the cost o f House Bi11 2707 in
a11 of these..a.all of these...various indications has
developed since the Governor's veto messagesso this is
the current picturepnot the pfcture that was presented
at that veto message stage. There is enough money in
the budget currently which will not.be used. vhich =i11 more
than compensate for the amount of money pro.jected to
be expended for House Bill 2707. I would urge your supp rt
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of this good Bf11 . ''
Speaker Lechowf cz : î'The Gentleman f rom Cook , Mr . Brady . ''
? Brady : ''Mr . Sp eake r if I migh t I would jus t lfke to echoJ . /
Repres entat ive Skinner when he related S enjt e Bill 1790* t,o IJ Z-r: f 1 ' .5 * h < $ 8 e f: r*..-. . s y,
to you which the Governor amendator ' .
moved t o acc ept in the S enat e , we ltop e to move to accept
that fn the llous e tomorrow as a st ep f orward in tax
relief . But that step f orward in tax relief does take
part of the f is eal' impact and sting out o f this Bi11.
As a mat t er of f act it reduces it subs tantially . So tha
th e cost as put f orth in the veto st atement does no t
relat e to this and the o tller Bi11 in ques t ion . I th ink
the cos t is reasonable enough f o r the advantage that we
gaf n f or the senfor cit k zens and those on f fxed f ncome
and I urge your support of this Bill . ''
Speaker Leclzowlc z : ''The ques tion is , shall Hous e Bill 2707
pas s no ts/i ths t anding the veto o f the Governor . A11 in
- f avo r s ign:t f y by vo ting ' aye ' a11 opposed by voting ' nay ' .
Have a11 vobed who wf shed? Have a11 voted who wished ?
It takes 107 votes. Have a11 voted who wished? ....wi1
take tbe record. On this questfon there ar9 148 'ayes'
14 'nays î and the motion having received the Constitutio
three-fifths majority #revails and House Bill 2707 is
declared passed notwithstanding the veto of the Governor.
House B1l1 2539: Representatfve John Dunn.''
Dunn: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the
House. Just about a year ago this time a number of
counLies around the State of Illinois received nottce
from the Department of Corrections that they had deficie cfes
in their county jails and unless those deffciencies were '
ls would be closed. However, the 1corected their jai k
State of Illinois provided no money , no funds whereby
any of those affected counttes could do anything about )
the problem. At that very time our Governor was proposi g
approximately fifty-eight million dollars in bonding to
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build two new prisons in the State of Illinois. It occu red
to me then that if we could float fifty-eight million
Jdollars of taxpayers money to provided bond revenues
to construct new prisons it would be altogether apptoprf te
for the State of Illfnois, whlch mandates one more progr ...
mandates one more program to local government to do
something about the funding and to set up a .systen where y
those countiesx any county in the State Mf Illinois whic
is affected could apply for grant money and the source
of that grant money would be bonds. Since that time
the Bill was progressed to the ordinary course of
legislative channelsy it has been considered b0th by the
House and the Senate, legfslatfve approval has been
granted by both the House and the Senate. The Bill has
been laid on the Governor's desk, Governor Thompson
vetoed it in total and the Governor said in his veto
message: that he has withheldvhis approval of the Bill
because he believes the construction and operation of
jail facilities is and should remain a local responsibil'ty.
And he says that he's going to look into the impact of
new jail standards on local units of government and revi u
that matter. His goal is to insure that state standards
are b0th minimal and reason'able. For Macon Countyywhère
I come fromyl can ïnsure...assure you that the standards
that have been imposed by the State of Illinois are
minimal. I càn assure you that Macon County Illinoïs
and every other county that is affected is oaly trying t
do what is the minimul . And can also assure you that
every one of those counties tbat is affected is in a
position where if this Bill does not pass they have no
recourse but to go to their local taxpayers with a reque t
for referendum approval to raise local property taxes
to meet the mandate of state government. In other words
by vetoing this Bill the champion of ceiling on spendfng
the champion of the proposition to put a limit on state
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taxes has taxed local government. Governor Thompson has
vetoed this Bill which would provide up to 40Z of the
cost of renovating state Jails throughout the State of
Illinois through the sale of bonds. Goveynor Thompson
said he didn 't have the money to do that, Covernor
Thompson said he couldn't afford tt. Do you know the
annual cost of this Bi112 While a11 twenty million doll s
that are proposed fn bondsNwhen a11 twenty million dolla
are sold the annual cost will be about seven hundred thousan
dollars per #ear. Seven hundred thousand dollars per
year that Governor Thompson couldn 't find in his budget....
that was in the summer. Then we weni fnto a deadlock at
Pontiac,then we went into other prison problems aad a11
at once Governor Thompson could find twenty-one million
dollars for prisons. He could find fifty-eight million
dollars for prisons last yeary he can find twenty-one
million dollars for prisons this year but he can't
find seven hundred thousand dollars a year for your
local jail or mine right now. What I*m telling you is
that Covernor Thompson doesn't care.o..he doesn't care
. whether vou bave a prablem back home and he doesnlt care
how it is solved. And he doesngt care if your people
back home have to pay for the problem by raising their
property taxes. .He goes around the State of Illinois
telling you he is the champion of keeping taxes down but
what he is already doae fs tax the peopley he's taxed th
people in each of these affected counties by requiring
them to pay ...to pay uith property taxes for the cost of
renovating their jails. You may be fn one of those coun ies.
At the present time the counties are Champaign, Madison.
Macon. Peoria, lledard, Rock Island, Fulcon, Jersey ,
Monroe and Brown, have a11 recelved notices that thefr
J'ails are in vkolaEion of the state standards and unless
those staddards are corrected their jails are going to
be closed. In addition, Edgar and Browa Counties have:
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also received letters from the State Department of
Corrections telling them that whïle they are not under
. notice...six month notice that their jail will be closed
they are about t o be under no tic e . They have been put
j: 'on warnin g . So each o th es e counties have b een no t i f f ed
they have to do something . Furthermore , if you live
in a df s t ric t vhere there has be en an improvement s lnce
O c t o b e r 1 : 19 7 5 y t o up g ra d e y o u r j a i 1 y o u a r e e1i g ib le
for help with your death service. This is something
for everyone who has had this problem. If you built a
jail since October 1975, you become eligible to apply
for help. The Covernot has said ehis is an open ended
program:the companion approprtation is twenty million
dollars in bonds,as I have said in an annual cost ofi
seven hundred thousand dollars. It's not open eaded,lt 's
only a measure to do something one more time for local
government vzhere ehere ïs a mandate comfng dovu from the
state. You heard this on the campaign trail. we're ti/e
of mandated programs. You also heard that we're tired
of our property taxes éoing up. This is your chance to
do something about ft. The Governor wouldn't do anythin
about ft. You#ve car/fed your burden b0th here and as Legfsl tors
in the Senate....senators across the hall. they have
carried their burden . We sent this Bill to the Governor
and' he saw fit to veto the Bill in its entirety . We
should send a message to the Governor back frou us on
behalf of the taxpayers who have ehe sfngle facfly
residents th'at are gotng to see their taxes go up. Ne
should send avmessage back to him and tell him that we
are for responsibility ln government 'and if his agency
in the Department of Corrections mandates standards to
our local government then by golly they ought to cone up
with some money to help pay for those costly iaprovement
that are needed. Governor Thompson also talked about
sending misnomer prisons back to your local jails.khere
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is he going to put theml Your local jail doesn't have
room right now , how is he going to do that? He's not
worried about that:all he wants to do is push asfde the
problem . Push the burden off on local government 1et
them have referendum , 1et them rafse property taxes. I
ask you now ....here and now to vote green and to vote
against the Thompson tax on real property in the State
of Illinois. I urge you to override the Governor 'on
House Bill 2539. Thank you.'l?
Speaker Lechowicz: ''The Gentleman from Madison , Mr. Steeleo''
Steele: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of th Hous
I rise fn oppisition to this motion even though-r come
from a county tbat would receive some of these funds.
So fn the short range perhaps the county that I represen
would benefit. But in the long range it is aot good for
our county and it is not good fpr our state. What this
is saying is, the people of my county are going to have 0
help build jails throughout every 102 counties of'
Illinois. Not only that but I think it is only prôper....7
it is in tbe past that you keep local responsibflty and
' local control on tbese things. In Madïson County we
are building a Jail now, at first....the first jail
proposal came in at eight million dollars actually it wa at
luxury jail, it was called a country club kind of Jail.
We went back to the drawing boards and reduced that cost
from eight million to four million . This is what local
control caa do, they work for the taxpayer. If this
were a state funded project our local jails committee
and probably every county fn the state would say. let's
' get the best and the most that we can for the available
funds. lnstead of cutting the cost from eigh c million
back to four. it probably would bave stayed at eight
million. That why ft is important that we do retain
d the batanced llocal control, the taxpayer is best serve
budget is best slrved by so doing and I urge a 'no ' vote.''
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speaker Lechowicz: ''The Gentleman from Peoria, Mr. Muddwn
Mudd: 'fMr. Speaker and Members of the House, I worked on this
particular piece of legislation with Representativa
Dunn and I think some of the important things that came
out in regards to this Bill was the fact that the reaso
that was have some of the overcrowding in the prisons
that we presently have is because we have no holding
facilities in the local counties for misdemeanors. We'r
sending people to prison for misdemeanors because we
don't have the facilities to hold them in our local
. communltfes. In areas vhere they committed the crfmes
and...oso weîre sending them to prison. The other thing
is that hasn ît been mentfoned is that':these counties
under thfs mandate are sendlng thefr prisoners out now
to other counties with facilities and paying extra cost
and filling those local jails up. Your......we spend
this particular amount of money , twenty million dollars,
it's only going to be spent for actual cells,not for the7
jail facilit# and a11 the complimentfng parts of those
jails but only the actual jail facilities. We know that
there are many peiple who belong in our county jails....
on work relief programs and whatever locally that db not
belong in prison that we should have the facilities for
them. Because these new county jails would be located
strategically throughout the statea they would be able
to take some of the other prisoners from the adjoining
counties at a lesser speed because of tbe state help
on thls program . I think the Governor personally has
changed his mlnd in regard to this Bi11. Some of the
statements that he made campaigning this year in regards
to Jails and county taxes. I think he has changed his
mind on this Bil1. I think that we should pass this
appropriationphelp the counties build jail, put the
prisoners behind bars that belong theres keep the mis-
demeanors in the countfes where they belong and out of
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prisons and in the long run I think that if you take
a look at it realistically wefre going to save the state
a lot money by puttfng it in the county who desperately
need it. So I urge an îaye ' vote on this Bi11.''
speaker Lechowicz: ''The Centleman from Cook, Mr. Porter.l'
Porter: ''Mr. Speakery I move the previous question .''
Speaker Lechowicz: MThe Gentleman has moved the previous
question. A11 in favor signify by saying 'aye'y a11 '
opposed. The previous question has been moved. The....''
Dunn: ''1*11 just be brief and remind you again that the follow g
counties are under mandate Champaign, Madison, Macon ,
Peoria, Menard, Rock Island, Fulton , Jerseyy Monroe,
Brown, Edgar and Morgan have received notices from the
Department of Correctiens and I would also advise you
that counties fn which there has been construction since
1975, which would appear to be eligible for help with
their death service are Boone, Bureau, Carrolly Christia ,
Clay, Coles, Green and Crundy. If you live in any of
' those counties you have something to gain by passage of
' this Bi11. Not only do you have something to gain by
passage of this Bill that you can strike a blow for a
good government in the State of Illinois by sending '
notice to the second floor that when programs are mandat d
there must also be funds accompaning them to pay for those
mandated programs. I vould urge a green vote on this
motion to override House Bill 2539. Thank you.''
Speaker Lechowicz: î'Tbe question isy shall House Bill 2539
pass aotwith standing the veto of the Governor . X11 in
favor signify by voting 'aye ' a11 opposed by voting 'no '.
The Gentleman from Christian , Mr. Tipsword to explain
hfs vote. The timer is on .ll
Tipsword: f'Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen: I don't know
how many of you vould have- ..had an opportunity in the
last two weeks to watch the local television station
here in sprfngfield, but if you had they have run a series
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on jails throughout central Illinois. And the conditions
they found were deplorable and in those conditions. in
many of those jails they also reviewed the fact that thos
jails...many of them had notices from the Department of
Correctïons or they felt sure they would be getting notïc s
very shortly . And after they had completéd their in-
vestigation they reveiwed the fact there had been this
Bill before the General Assembly whic: had passed but
had been vetoed, it was their conclusion there vas no
other place that they were going to get the funds to
correct what the Department of Corrections felt should
be corrected in the local county jails throughout the
central part of this state. And they stated ia that
program that they were sure tbat the same thing existed
throughout the rest of the State of Illtnois. If we're
going to correct these jafls and provfde the facflftfes
that the Department of Correction wants and the minimun
' standards which are really minimum standards that they
require. There is really no other place that we can go
for this honey and would urge you to support this
override.''
Speaker techowicz: HThe Lady from Lakey Mrs. Cee-Karis to
explain her vote. The timer is on.''
ceo-Karis: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen....Mr. Speake
and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House. The fact remaines
that these are local items and local problens and it woul
take twenty million dollars which would be esealated to
thirLy-five million with interest. It would involve
general obligation bonds which vould fnvolve the credit o
the state. And I think we're in bad enough fiaancial
situation as.'it is and would like to vote 'no'.''
speaker Lechowicz: ''Have al1 voted who wished? The Lady from
Champaign, Mrs. Satterthwaite to explain her vote. The
tfler fs on.'ê I
Satterthwaite: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the Housea this is
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far different than many other programs that ve already
fund within the state. I /find it completely inconsistent t
on the part of the Covernor and oa the part of Members
of this House who are voting against this motion to say
that, local government ought to be responsible for butldi g
and financing their jail when we do in fact already sub-
sidiae many local governments in building civic centers.
Are we saytng that it is more important that our communit es
get state funds for entertainment and for other communit#
purposes in those civic centers. But that we do not
deserve to spend money on minfmum standards for jafls.
I think thatîs a completely inconsistent situation , we
ought to be able to subsidize the local communftles kho
need help wfth these facïlities and I urge a green votee''
Speaker Lechowicz; î'Have a11 voted who wished? Rave al1 voted
who wished? The Clerk will take the record. On this
question there 88 'ayes' 78 'neaysg: none recorded as
'present'. The motion having failed to receive a
Constitution of three-fffths majorfty fs declared lost.
House Bill 327....what? Alright. At the request of the
Sponsor, House Bih7. 3279 is takon out of the record . Is
that corrects Mr. Fierce? Mr. Pierce: please, Nr.
Pierce.''
Pierce: ''As Representative Marovitz at a bilingual Commission
would say, mananae''
Speaker Lechowicz: HDoes that mean food or what? You've got
my vote. 0ut of the record. Let me just pofnt out to
the Membership/ there has been a question as far as the
length of this eveningk Session.. The Gentleman from
cook, Mr. Madfgan. Hopefully weAre going to :5 get that
nanana- - .or food. The Gentlenan from Cook, Mr. Madiga /'1
Madigan: HMr. Speaker, we are prepared to adjourn at this time.
Epould you wish to ask for announcements?''
bpeaker Lechowicz: ''Yeah. The Centleman from Sangamoq: Mr.
Jones asks leave of the House to return Senate Bfll 1395
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to second Reading for the purpose of an Amendment. Alri
hearing no objection, Senate Bill 1395 is back oa Second
Reading. The Gentleman from Sangamon, M!. Jones on the
Amendment.'' . '
Jones: ''Mr. speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, this
is an easement 'between the City of Springfield and the
State of Illinois for the transfer of the power statiôn'
to a different location that was in the original Bi11.
There is no financial obligation of tbe State of Illino'is
and I move its adoption.at this time.''
Speaker Lechowfcz: ''Any dfscussfon? The question is, shall
Amendment f/l...Amendment //1 be adopted. A11 in favor
signify by saytng 'aye', a11 opposed. Amendment f/1 is
ado'pted. Any further AmendmentsS''
Clerk O'Brien: MNo further Amendments.tl
Speaker Lechowicz: HThird Reading. On the Supplemental Calend r
there are two other items tha: we dfd' not cover, that's
the ftem veto motfon on House Bfll 2970 Representative>
, Dantels. Do you want that matter called? 2970, Jack .
2970. Mr. Danielso'?
Daniels: ''Take it out of the record.''
Spiaker Lechowicz: ''out of the record. 0n Amendatory Veto
Motions. 2946, Mr. Pierce. Take it out of the record.
Any announcements? The Gentleman from Kankakeey Mr. '
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Ryan : ''Not an announcement, Mr. Speaker but a question of the
Chair .'' '
Speaker Lechowicz: HYes Sir.'l
Ryan: ''There seems to be some confussion as to what the
schedule is for December:- are....we are going to be in
on the 5th and 6th of Becember, is that correct?''
Speaker Lechowfcz: ''Pardon, your guess is as gdod as mine. I
would stronglyarecommend that you get a hold of Mr.
Speaker Redmond....l'
Ryan: 'fMr. Speaker, I just talked to the Speaker and tbat's
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what he told me and 1 wanted to verify to the Members of
the House. So why donft you get a.hold of him since
you 're sitting in the big chair and get the ansger to':
the question.....''N
Speaker Lechowicz: ''1:11 be more than happy to give you the
answer tomorrow . The Gentleman from Cook , Mr. Madigan .''
Madigan : ''Without appearipg to preempt anyone. I was present
to the conversatfon between the Speaker and Mr. Ryany wher
the Speaker did indicate to Mr. Ryan that' he planned to
be in Session two days next week . Do we have any
further announcements?fî
Speaker Lechowicz: ''Tbe Lady from Cook , Mrs. Martinml'
Martin: 'llhank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I would just like
to announce that the Spe'cial Committee on Prison Reform s
the meeting that was to be held this afternoon has been
canceled until tomorrow morning, 8 A.M ., room G-2 in the
Stratton Building. That is 8 A.M . tomorrow morningy
Special Committee on Prison Reform. Thank you.''
Speaker Lechowicz: ''The Gentleman from Sangamon, Mr. Robtnson.
Your light is on . The Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bowman.''
Bowman : ffYes , Mr. Speaker, I believe a Resolutfon was ffled
1150 which I would like the Clerk to read before we
adjourn.''
Speaker Lechowicz: ''Ladies and Gentlemen ....what Resolution
number bzas that?''
Bowman : l'House Resolutfon 1150.00
Speaker Lechowicz: ''House Aesolution 1150.':
clerk o'Brien: ''House Resolution 1150. Nhereas on Tbanksgivtnu
day of this, Douglas Goler Levin w>s born to our colleagu .
Ellis Levin, and his wife Kay and whereas, at ten pounds three
ounces, nouglas Goler Levfn ean lfck any kfd fn the1
nursery and whereas, Douglas Goler Levin's sister, Halli : has
a new playmate and a long-term baby sitttng assignment.
And whereas, this glad event was not properly commeaorat d
by the majority.e.major public utilities and tnsurance
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companfes; and Whereasy Doyglas Goler Levin has already
. shown an interest in polittcs by immediately declaring his
candidacy for alderman of the 44th Ward in the year 1999;
ï.therefore, be it resolvedy b: the House of Representative 's
of the 80th General Assembly of the State of Itliaois,
that good wishes be extended to our colleague, Ellis
Leviny his wife Kay and hfs daughter Hallie on thts happy
occasion ; and be it further resolved that Douglas Coler
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Levin be duly welcomed to the worldy the United States.
of America, the State of Illinois, and to the Tweatieth
Legislatfve District' thereof; and be it further resolved
that a copy of this Resolution and preambley kuitable for
teething be presented to new citizen, Douglas Goler Levin.''
Speaker 'Lechowidz: DThe Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Bowmaa moves
the adoption of Resolution. Alk in favor signify by
sayfng 'ayeî a11 opposed. The Resolution is adopted.
Congratuation Ellis tevin. Any further announcements?
Ihe Gentleman from Cook, Mr. Madigan .''
Madigan: HMr. Speaker, it is our intent to come in tomorrow
at 12:00 noon. 12:00 noon: so thereforey I now move that
we adjourn until 12:00 noon tomorrow.'' .
Speaker Lechowicz: OMr. Ryan , I spoke to the Speaker and told
me that we will be in Session on December 5th and 6th ....
Mr. Ryan s I spoke to the Speaker and he informed me that
the House will be ià Session on December the 5th and' 6th .'
Ryan : ''Thank you very much , Mr. Speaker.'' '
Speaker Lechowicz: HThank youy Sir. The. Ge'ntleman has moved '
that the House stands adjourned until 12:00 noon toaorrov-
A11 in favor signify by saying 'aye' a11 opposed. The
House stands adjourned. Have'a pleasant evening.''
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