HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

SEVENTY-SEVENTH GENERAL ASSEMBLY

ONE HUNDRED ELEVENTH LEGISLATIVE DAY

NOVEMBER 11, 1971 '

10:00 O'CLOCK A.M.

THE HONORABLE W. ROBERT BLAIR.

SPEAKER IN THE CHAIR

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A roll call for attendance was taken and indicated that

a1l were present with the exception of the following:

Representative Jöhn P. Downes - illness;

Representative Oral îlake' Jacobs - no reason given.

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Doorkeeper: .'A11 who are not entitled to the House chamber,

will you please retire to the House gallery. Thank you.

A1l who are not entitled to the Hduse chamber. will you

please retire to the House gallerk. Thank you.''Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The Clerk will see that those persons

not entitled to the floor are removed therefrom and those

persons not entitled to be in the hallway' are also removed.

The invocation will be given by Dr. Johnson.''

Dr. John Johnson: ''We pray. The night is over and we give

you hearty thanks for the rest and pr6tection of this past

night. We thank. you for the qift of this new day and the

opportunity to reflect your will and purposes in what we

say and do. And now O Lord I stand quietly for this mom-

ent in your presence and ask for your guidance in carrying

out these purposes. Lqt.mè go throùgh this day with the

quiet conscience. Let me go through this day with joy as .I derive satisfaction from my work. Let me go through this

day with serenity as I commit myself to your keeping. Abov

all let me go through this day mindful of the truth that I

can bear witness to your mercy as show mercy thât I may'bear witness to your power as I exercise power carefully

that I may bear witness to your concern as'l show concern

for all who come within the circle of my responsibility

and influence, that I may bear witness to your will as

do a11 that I can to 1et your kingd6m come andyour will be

done on earth as it is in heaven. Uear us O God, cur

strength and our redeemer. Amen.''

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: HThe gentleman from Will, Mr. O'Brien.

Roll call for attendance-''

George M. O'Brien: ' HMr. Speaker and Members of the House,

some ten days ago through the good offices of our chaplain.

Dr. Johnsony the Hcuse remembered my very ill daughter.

She has made a remarkable recovery and I would like to

suggest that there is nothing more likely to disturb the

stars than a Ywo color bi-partisan heartfelt prayer

initiated by a distinguished chaplain. My wife and I are

greatful to you a1l.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Committee report.''

Jack O'Brien: ''Mr. Juckett from the Executive Committee to

which House Resolution 437 offered by Mr. Hudsone reported

the same back with the recommendation that the resolution

be adopted.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''All right, there are a few matters

which are we're trying to get worked out and the ah fead-

ership oh the Democratic side has asked that we could be

at easp for just about ten or fifteen minutes. Now, we

will when we come when we start up which will be at a

quarter til tenm I expect to n'mmediately be going into

some controversial mattdrs, so I will would like for the

members to a1l remain in their seats'or either be back

when we start up. So, we'll just be at ease now for about '

ten or fifteen minutes. There appears .a'spring calendar

list of bills and I suggest you look at it carefully. It

will be passed around and if there are any questions,

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additions or deletions to that. advise the Clerk so wedll'

, be in shape with regard to that as the time arrives.''

Recess at 9:30 O'Clock A.M.

Return 2K 9:45 O'Clock A.M.

Hon. W,. Robert Blair: ''Al1 right, we're going to have. to get

into session now with the members on the Mr. Barry would

you notify the Minority Leadership that we're going to have

to go into session and. . . All right, with leave of the

Hou#e, we'll go to Senate Bills second reading. Senate . .

Bill 1286.',

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1286,. an act to provide for

the ordinary and eo ntingent expense of Southern Illinois

University. second reading of the bill. No committee

amendments .. ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any amendments from the floor? Third'reading. 1287.. '' .

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Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1287. an act making an ap-

propriation, reappropriation to the Board of Governors of

T state colleges and Universities. second reading of the

bill. No commiitee amendments.'' . '

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any amendments from the floor? Third

reading. 1299..''

Fredric B. Selckez ''Senate Bill 1299, an act making certain

appropriations, reapproprlations to the Board of Trustees.

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of the University of Illinois. second reading of the bill.

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No committee amendmentsm''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any amendments from the floor? Third

reading. 1281.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1281,' a bi'll for an act to

amend 'The Pension Code'. Second reading of the'bill. No

one committee amendment. Amend Senate Bill 1281 on page 1.

lines 1 and 5. by striking fsection 2-121'' each time it

appears and inserting in lieu thereof 'Section 2-121 and

2-15017 and on page ïine 6, by striking 'is' and insert-

ing.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Frank

Wolf.''

Frank C. Wclf: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen Qf the

House, Amendment One to Senate Bill 1281 is a committee.

dm t and what it does i' t adds a'Seetion 2-l50'to theamen en

Retirement System Reciprocal Act. Senate Bill 1281 is

the article of the General Assembly article and 1. ask for.<the adoptzon of M endment One to Senate Bill 1281

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Hon. Robert Blair: ''Is there discussion? All those in

favor of the adoption of the amendment say 'Yeas' the op-ê

posed 'No' the 'Yeas' have it and the amendment is adopted#

Are there further amendments? Third readinv. 1284.''

Fredric B. selcke: ''Senate Bill 1284, an act making a supple-

mental appropriation to the Superintendent of Public In-

struction. Second reading of the bill. No committee amend

ments . ''

Hon. W. Robert'Blair: ''Any amendments from the floor? Third

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reading. 1310.'.

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate'Bill 1310. an ack making an app-

ropriation to certain claims against the State of Illinois

in cénformity with awards made by the Court of Claims.

second reading of the bill. No committee amendments.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any amehdments from the floor? Third

reading. 1073.,4

Fredric B. Selckez ''Senate Bill 1073, an acY to amend Section

l3/ 13(a) of an act providing for the Springfield Metro-

politan Exposition and Auditorium Authority in Sangamon

county. second reading of the bill. No committee amend-

ments . ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any amendments from the floor?''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Amendment Number Onee Jones. Amend

senate Bill 1073 on page 1, lines l and 9, by striking 'l3

and l3(a)' and inserting in lieu thereof '13, 13(a), l5(a)

and l5(d)'; and on page line l4. by striking the woxd

'The Authbrity shall have' and inserting in lieu thereof

the following: and so forth-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Thê gentleman from Sangamon, Mr. Jones ''

J. David Jones: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House. this amendment to 1073 is an amendment to the spring

field Auditorium Authority and removes the language that

is in the present 1073 and substitutes the provision that

the Board of the Auditorium Authority will be elected at

the general election rather than at the primaries, and

move its adoption.''

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any further discussion? All those in

favor ot the adoption of the amendment say 'Yeas'. the ap-

posed 'No'. the 'Yeas' have it and the amendment is adopt-

ed. Are there any further amendments? Third reading.

1280. 1280.'4

Fredric B. Selckez ''Senate Bill 1280, an act to add section11.1 to an act in relation to State Treasurer. second

reading of the bill. No committee mnendments.

Hon. w--nobert Blair: ''Any amendmenqs from the flooran

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Amendment Number One. Choate'. Amend

Senate Bill 1280 in the House on page 1 by inserting immed-

iately after line 29 the followingz 'Section 2. This Act

takes effect immediately upop its becoming a law '. ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Union, Mr. Choate.''

Clyde L. Choate: ''Ah very simple amendment Mr. Speaker. It#

simply says that when the bill becomes law, the state

Treasurer will be able to act in pursuant to this bill and

I would u-âge adoption of this amendment .''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there discussion? Al1 those in

favor of the adoption of the amendment say 'Yeas' the op=#

posed 'No' the 'Yeas' have it and the amendment is adopt-#

ed. Further amendments? Third reading. All right. with

go Eo senatq Bills third with leave. senate Bills third

reading. senate Bill 938.'.

Predric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 938, an act to amend Section

70 of and to add Section 66 (a) to 'The Business Corporation

Act'. Third reading of the bill.''

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Lake, Mr. Pierce.''

Daniel M. Pierce: ''Ah. Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House. Senate Bill 938 passed the Stàte Senate without

a dissenting vote, unanimously, after having been approved

in the senate Judiciary Committee. It was debated exten-

sively in the House Judiciary Committee as a result I put

on Amendment Numbçr One yesterday to remove some of the''

objections and to protect minority stockholders. What the

bill does is to provide for a shor: form merger procedure

in Illinois as recommended in the Moéel Uniform' Laws, butIllinois only if the parent corporation owns 9+% or more of

the subsidiary corporation. The Uniform Model Act provides

that if the p arent corporation owns 9O% or more, we've been

much more restrictive, we made it 9P# or more. The lead-

ing corporate state of our country, including New York has#

a short form merger bill if the parent owns 95% or more,

Delaware has it, the District of columbia, which of course,

laws are Fet by Congress, has a short form merger bill.

The bill was debated extensively on its merits on second

reading yesterday. It provides an alternative method for

merging to subsidiary corporations or a subsidiary into a'

parent corporation. I urge passage of this bill which woul

put Illinois in line with the other major industrial states

of the country and encourage corporations to remain in 111-

inois by making our 1aw more in line with that of Delaware,

Nqw York, Pennsylvania and other leading corporate states-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any further discussion? The gentleman

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from Cook, Mr. Katz.''

Harold A.' Katz: ''Ah, Ladies and Gentlemen of the House, I

rise in pposition to senate Bill 938. The only thing the

sponspr hasn't told us is why the bill is needed. He hastold us that other states M ve this kind of provision: hehasn't told us that that makes it right. Other states haveother laws that corporations have succeeded in getting inorder to take advantage of small st

ockuyolders. Now, whatis involved here is very simple

. We have in governmentalunits the right of eminent domain

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property without their being willing to do so. That isconsidered to be a function of the state. You can take

somebody's property even if they object to it, you can payfair value. and what this kihd of bill does is to givethe power of eminent domain to a corpGration. It says thàtthe corporation can take the stock of a minority stock

xAolder against his heill. just by paying hkm the money

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, bu't we are a governmental entityA'But what theyfre saying is that a xprivate corporation shoulbe given the right of eminent domain. Why should this be

so? These bills have been in this legislature for thefour sessions that I've been in

. Thby are drafted by cor-porations lawyers who represent the bi

g corporations whowant to get rid of troublesome minority stock-lolders.Every time,this bill has been before us

, it has been sup-ported by corporation lawyers actin'g th

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because we are interested in trying to protect individuals

who may be minority stocxwholders. Why should not a man wh

owns 1% of the stock of a corporation be as entitled to

protection as a man who owns 10% or a man who owns 15%7

Qhere is no reason given here why there is any fairness in

this bill. have not seen any corporations leave Illinois

for New York and other states and I would hope that this

House would continue to protect the rights of individuals

in political elections, regardless of whether they may be

half of 1% and in corporate elections and in corporate pro-

cedures regardless of how little stock they may own. I see

no reason why the power of eminent domain should be given

to the large corporations and so I will oppose Senate Bill

938 and I hope that many of you may join me.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Further discussion? The gentleman

from Cook. Mr. Burditt-''

Georgê M. Burditt: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of

%' lt isn't very often that we have the opportunitythe Hous ,

of taking sides between the two gentlemen that just spoke,

but I'd be happy to jump into the breach on the side' of the

chief opponent to this bill. There isn't anybody going to

lose any property without full compensation by this bill,

be it 1% or less than 1% shareholder is going to be paid in' full for his interest. It's simply a matter of providing

in our statute for a situation where one recalcitrant share

holder who is been holding onto a very tiny minority of the

yhares is being taken out of the picture so Vhat he can't. ' u

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tie up the corporate progress. But in doing that he's:

fullv paid for every bii'of his stock. so this is a good

bill, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the House,

and ï'd urge you all to vote for i't.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Maragos.'l

samuel C. Maragos: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, wit' some reluctance, I rise in opposition to this measure. And

the reason that I say I rise with some reluctance, I was

hoping yesterday if the Katz amendment was adopted that I

this bill could have been to a certain degree more palat-

able to me and I think that many of us here that are not

only concerned with the minority stockwyolders, but also

a concern to a great degree of the rate users of public

utilities, and that means the consumer at large. Let us

review what this bill is trying to do. In essence. it'd

not trying to do something it caqwpot do under the long

form merger proceedings for corporations. You can proceed

and still accomplish this fact with the long term merger.

except that it becomes more difficult and more costly for

the parent company to bring this about, but however more

'importantly when it does have the long form procedures as

many of the steps that have to be given for the minority

stockholder, it receiving notices and having proxy state-

ments, and therefore the mort form Ys always more palatable

and muci easier as we who practice some corporate 1aw are

familiar with. Now, the thing that concerned me and I say

it in due fairness to the sponsor of the bill and those who

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are pushing this bill, they did make it more pal atable by t e

amendment the sponsor of this amendment did bring yeste<day

Mr. Pierce, in showing that as long as they are going to

take that minority stockholder's shares away from him. they

are going to make some extra effort to make sure it's a

fair price for what he's be gi ving up. However, there's

nothing in this peasure or an# other part of the public'

utilities law which states that when a corporate company

and-a' parent company which deals qr merely a corporation

outside of the State of Illinois, of which the'subsidiary

is an Illinois corporation, does come for rate increases

in this state before the Illinois Commerce Commission that

when they come before them that they'll only show their

records and theyill show the profits .and losses of that

particular company that is being used in Illinois. And if

we may use the terpi nology here of the telephone company.

the A.T&T. may come in for raises later on after they usert

not userf. but take over the the I.B.T. which has been a

well run company these many years and then show that if

h ' been any losses for I.B.T. it will not necessarilyt ere s .

be losses because of custcmer usage in Illinoisy but be-

cause of its other subsidiary and other involvements with

other states. So, from that angle, from tha'@ point alone.

I personally object to this bill and I say I do it reluc-

tantly, because I think that the sponsor has made a good

qffort and I believe an honest effort to make this more

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iary Committee, however, not enough to take care of the

quqstion of the rate useé in our state and khe ultimate

consumers and who have no voice support md who have no

ability to express their opinion, except to pay when these

rates are hiked up before the commission, because of proper

records or the correct records in my way of thinking would

not be produced at these hearings. Now, one other thing

that this does, even though many other states do comply hav

used this as a basis of taking over minority stockholders

control and I'm just wondering if we sét ' up a precedent

at this time. Yes, we say 9+X stockholding control right

now, but maybe in a year from now we come with an amend-

ment for 95%, so I ask each of you in due to look at this

bill very carefully and make up your opinions, but be as-

sured that whatever'your opinion may' be that youere not''

being thought that you didn't do this without proper though

and that you felt that maybe you did get a11 the informa-

tion possoble, and that's why I had to speak on this bill

' d I insist and ask that you vote 'No' ''an .

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Thè gentleman from Cook, Mr. Meyer.''

J. Theodore Meyerz ''Thank you Mr. Speaker. It seems that#

yesterday and for the last several weeks we've been dis-

cussing ethics House Bill 3700 will eventually provide for

an ethical disclosure of stock interests, and one of the

in faci ihe only stock that I own ip approximately 200' shares in Illinois Bell Telephone Company. I inherited

this stock from my father at his death in 1958. It steadil

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increased in terms of approximately every two years the

shareholders including the Majority shareholder, who isA.T.&T. has offe.red the opportunity to purchase stock asthey are next month at a significantly lower than marketrate. Now, Ladies and Gentlemen. what this bill is best

classified as is corporate eminent domain. This is a bad

bili, it's personally bad for me. This is the third time

in my five years of being down here that it has popped up

and I hope that this bill will be defeated this year as ithas on previous occasions. Thank you. Mr. Speaker- ''

Hon. Wz Robert Blairt ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Ewell.''

Raymond W. Ewell: ''Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gentlemen, I think

' you ought to take a careful look at what weere dqing.Number One, if you real ly read the bill and read th

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tional aspect out of it, you find out that what you're

really talking about is dealinq in relationship between a

parent and a subsidiary corporation. Now, we're not ialkiabout cofporations and when we talk about close knit fam-ilies in this instance, we're talking about a situation

where the pareht owns 9+; of the stock. Now, we can talk

.about it anyway you want to, but when you own 9+X of the

stock, the 1% that's outstanding in terms of the inter-relations between the parent and the âubsidiary

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necessary if you're going to deal in business and if you

are going to keep some of the corporation: of this country. healthy and some of the' corporations capable of providingemployment and economic opportunity

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have to sit up and try to do some of the things and help

them a little. Now, I think this measure is eminently

falr, you're not taking anything away from a the minority

shareholders, because they have a perfect right to come

into court and get their fair dollar or if they object toit on any they have a chance to get their fair dollar by

the courts. Now, when we starE engaging again in family

relations and that's what I would speak of this as, a bill

between a parent and subsidiary, wy're again getting intoan area where we would have this legislature also lock over

the relationship between parents and children. I think tha

this bill on its face is adequate, it's fair, and remember

we're only talking about those corporations where they own

9+X of the stock. Clearly, this is reasonable. Itfs. not

a grab where you start off with 5l% of the stock and you

attempt to grab a company. I'm suggesting what we do is

' read the bill. There have been some notions that rates

will incréase because of rlinois Bell and A.T.&T. I sug-

gest to you that in this economy, wefre going to have

wage increases, rate increases and the like across the

board irrespective. There will be some degree of infla-

tion. That is not the issue. I think we ought to look

at the bill, what it says and what it does and give it a

fair vote on its face. Thank you.''

Hon. W . Rcbert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Davis.''

Corneal A. Davis: HMr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, I'm not a corporation lawyer and I don't own any

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stock in either one of these two. But let me say this to' you. I know enough to kncw that this bill rejects the

principles, the essential principles of Illinois corporate

1aw that a11 shareholders of a corporation are entitled to

go in together. They go along together, now why take away

the little power that the majority shareholders have? I

asked a question here yesterday and it has not been answer-'

' ed. My question was if such a merger of Illinois Bell and

A.T.&T. could be accomplished under existing congressional

law, why this bill? Now, I get this I get upon this floor

and Ealk for mino<ities and I'm still talking for minoritie . h '

h t their mouths? Why don't you wantWhy do you want to s u' to give them the chance to come in Ehat the shareholder's

meeting, the chance that the Illinois law gives them. If

they have this chance under this bill. then why do you want

to pass it?'' . -

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Havey. . .is there any further d'is-

. cussion? x The gentleman care to close?''

Daniel M. Piercez ''Ah Mr. Speaker, in answer to my colleague#

from New Trier Township. Representative Katze anything that. .

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: '. is done under this bill in the way of taking over minority

shares can now be done under preseht Illinois law, if you

have two-thirds contrcl of the corporatbn, by going through

the expense of a shareholder's meeting, sc wefre not creat- '

ing a new a new form of eminent domain. Any corporation

'that owns two-thirds 6f another corporations' stock can

merge, dissolve, sell or do anything they wm t to with that

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corporation. I can assure the House and I feel very

stronqly about this, that this bill has nothing to do with

rate regulation. I'm as opposed to some of the rate in-

creases utilities have been receiving Illinois Bell as any-

one in this room. Now, maybe the gentleman from Cook is

not opposed because he's a stockholder of Illinois Bell,

but I'm opposed, I'm cpposed tb a lot of these rate increas s

myself and I would not be here today if I felt that this

11 'had anything to do with the rates. Therefll alwaysbi

be an Illinois subsidiary of A.T.&T. to come before the

' state regulatory body, and the state requlatory b ody's

must separate cut the intra-state costs. charges, and ex-

penses from the interstate in order to obtain their rates

from the commission. This is done in. every state. There's

not a state in the country where A.T.&T. doesn't have a

operating subsiéiary. It never operates local telephonesitself. because it's required to separate out the intra-

state and' interstate. The federal securities laws are stil

available to every minority stockholder. There's nothing

in this bill that in any way, nor do we have thè power in.

the Illinois legislature in any way to amend or detract

from the federal security laws ané your rights as a share-

holder under the federal security laws. You can still go

to court and challenge any majority shareholder, any dir-

ectors or officers that are taking advantage in violating

the federal security laws. This bill has been proposed in

the legislature before, not by irresponsible or corporate

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attorneys but by the Illinois State Bar and Chicago Bar inpart of their joint program. It's in the model business

corporation act of the Americin Bar Foundation providing

for a subsidiâry of 90% or more ownership. In order to re-

strict the bill, we made it 9+# or more. This bill would

put Illinois in line with the other major corporate states.

Corporations have been leaving Illinois and incorporatingin Delaware, in New Jersey and in Nevada and other statesregularly throughout the past decade

. This has been hap-pening and will continue to happen unless we bring Illinoiscorporation laws in line with the other advanced statessuch as New York, Delaware: Pennsylvania, where the busines

community is able to establish corpotate structures withstate taxation and 'regulation. My record in this legisla-ture has not been one to avoid taxing of regular corpora-tions. I fa/ored a double income tax on corporations overthat on individuals. I advocated 'this' bill because it'mo' dernizes our state corporation laws . .6..-- .

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''All right, the question is shall

Senate Bill 938 pass? All those in favor will vote 'Yeas'e

and the opposed 'No'. The gentleman frcm Ccok, Mr. Fleck-''

Charles J. Fleck: .'We1l, 'Mr, Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen

of the House, in explaining my vote, I.'ve listened to the

debate quite closely on this particular bill and as far asI can see I don't see any corporate eminent domain involvedhpre when you have a parent corporation which owns 9+> of

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going to be fair and equal payment for the minority share

holders interest. Secondly. as I said yesterday, I don't

see any rates being affeeted here and thirdly what's the

necessity for this? Well, the necessity is quite clear.

The Illinois corporatipn 1aw dealing with tremendously

large corporations is antiquated. It does not Provide for

expeditious and efficient ways' for corporations to merge-when they should. I think this bill provides for a speedy

merge'r to due to the fact that the public utilities in-

volved, it's to the benefit of the state and the citizens

and I think that we should a11 give it a favorable vote.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Have a11 voted who wished? The Clerk

will take the record. On this question, there are 1l4

'Yeas' and'l3 'Nays' and this bill having received the

ccnstitutional majority is hereby declared passed. For

what purpose doek the gentleman from Johnscn, Mr. Mccormick

. rise? ''

C. L. Mccormick: ''Ah, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, I thought that since we have a former Republican

colleague on the floor, Eddie Woliank from Chicago, that we.

ought to recognize him.''

Hon. W . Rabert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Maragos.''

samuel C. Maragos: ''l'd like to state since we have a former

Democratic colleasue up here, Mr. Wolbank I'd like to re-

cognize him.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''With leave of the House, we'll go to

Senate Bills second, Senate Bill 1301.''

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Fredric B. Selcke: nSenate Bill 1301, a bill for an act to

provide for the ordinary and contingent expense of the

equal education bpportunity department of the Office of

the Superintendent of Public Instruction. Second reading

of the bill. No commitkee amendments.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any amendments from the floor? Third

reading. 1311.''

Frbdric B. selckùz ''senate Bill 1311, a bili for an act to

make a supplemental appropriation to the Department of

Registration and Education. Second reading of the bi1l.''

Hon. W. Robert Blairr uAny amen dments from'the floor?''

Fredric B. Selckez ''No committep amendments. n

Hon. W. Robert Blairz nAny amendments from the floor? Third

reading. The genEleman f/om Ccck, the gentleman from Cham-paign, Mr. Hirschfeld.''

John C. Hirschfeld: ''Thank you, kr. speaker. Ladies and Gen-tlemen of the House, while we have a brief lull

, I thought

that I mi@ht' introduce the government class of Mahomet -Seymour High School which is from Represenkative Stone's

.

Clabaugh's and my districte together with their instructor.' Mr. Mike Kilford. Theylre in the Speaker's baleony

. I

wonder if they might sta/d, pleases''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from cook, Mr. Shea.'l

Gerald W. shea: ''I wonder if Representative Hirschfeld would

yield for a question?''

Hön' W Robert Blair: ''Will the gentleman yield?n

Gerald W. shea: ''Ah, Representative Hirschfeld, how many new

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voters are there in that group up there?''

John C. Hlrschfeld: ''There are 15 and they're al1 Republicans 'f

Gerald W. Shea: ''But I want to know did they let them registe

in Champaign County.''

John C. Hirschfeld: ''l assure you they have, Representative

Shea.''

.Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''For what purpose does .the gentleman

from Cook, Mr. Yourell, risea''

Harry Yourell: ''A verification.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Mann, for

h t urpose do you 'risea''w a p

Roba'rt E. Mann: ''well Mr. speaker, they a1l may be Republica s,

but they're sitting on the Democratic side.''

Hcn. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Champaign, Mr..

Clabaugh.'' .'

' Charles W. Clabaugh: ''In reply to the questbn of Representa- .tive Shea, if they are registered, they are registpred be-

cause theyxhave a right to register, they live there.''

Hon. W .bRobert Blair: ''Ah, with leave of the House we'll go

to consideration postponed where there appears senate Bill

9l5 and therefs been a request to take it back to the order

iof second readïng for the purposes of amendments. If there

is no objection, we'll do that and the clerk will read the

amendments.''

Fredric B'. Se'lcke: ''Amend . . . ''

Hon.. W. Robert Blair: ''All right, the gentleman from Cook, MrCarroll, for what purpose do you seek recognition?''

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Howard W. Carrpll: ''Mr. Speaker. having returned the bill to

second reading, I would ask leave to table Amendment Number

one which had been adopted last year. Having voted on the

prevailing side. I move to reconsider the vote and therefor

table the bill. table the amendment.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there objection? All right. Then

there's leave then to table the amendment, up, the gentle-

man from Cook, Mr. Richard Walsh.''

Richard A. Walsh: ''Ah Mr. Speaker, I wonder if the gentlemane

would just explain the amendment that he's trying to have

tabled.''

Howard W. Carrollz nThe amendment that we're tryirxg to table

Representative Walsh was the amendment that would have paid

the Magistrates at a rate. of $29,500.00 in Cook County and

$25,000.00 downstate. The original bill as it came over

' here was $32 500.00 in Cook Ccunty and $28 000.00 dcwnstate '# . #

'

We .had adopted the amendment lowering that by $3,000700.

We're now' trying to table that amendment for the purpose of

adding another amendment.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Richard

Walsh . ''

Richard A. Walsh: ''Ah# now ihis this bill ah Howard after

the amendment is tabled, is it going'to be in the form it

was in as it passed .the Senate or is it still a House amend '

ment on the bill?''

Hokard W. Carroll: ''Ah,'at that stage it will be in the exact

form it came over from the Senate. The other amendment

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that had been offered did not pass. the other amendment.''

Richard A. Walshz ''All right, then do you propose to offer

another amendment ncw that it's going back to second read- '

ing?''

Howard W. Carroll: ''It's back on second reading. there is

amendments that will be proposed. I personally have none.

but there are two that I know .of.''

'Richard A. Walsh: ''Well, then the amendment that ycu're tabl-

ing is.the one that would give the Magistrates salary in-

cfeases, is that right? Or the former Magistrates?''

Howard W. Carroll: ''Yes. the amendment that I'm tabling is

would have given the fermer Magistrates salary increases,

now Associate Judges, a pay raise. The bill as it would

then read if that is tabled would also have given them a

pay raise.''

Richard A. Walsh: ''Thank you-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The amendment. read the amendment, is

that?''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Amendment Number, oAmendment Number

Three: Hyde. Amend Senate Bill 9l5 in the House on page 1,

line 1, by striking 'Sectioù'. . .''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentlema; from Cook, Mr. Hyde.''

Henry J. Hyde: ''Ah Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the#

House, Amendment Number Three to Senate Bill 9l5 is provide

for increase in the salaries of the judges in the State of

Illinois as follows: the' Judges of the Supreme Court which

now make $40,000.00 annually under this amendment will get.< &. ; rti.':, ,6 ''s.c;.$.'7--. r.. r.- ï G E N E R A 1.. A S S E 51 11 L Y; 'Y ')a

.t. - C#1,. l s m a 'r c o F I u u 1 N o I sgZV!I' ' . .n.- . . . .* '<f.' , ' ' X yI o k, s s o F Fl c e R E s c N 'r 8 T I v e: s

$42,200.00. They had sought in the griginal bill.that was

here last week had provided for 142,500.00, but to keep theincreases within the 5.5% of the Phase 11 guidelines

, theincrease suggested here is $42

,200.00. .The Judges of the

Appellate Court get $37,500.00. under this amendment would

get $39.500.00, a $2.000.00 increase. The Judges Y theCircuit court that now get $27

,500.00 would get $29.000.00,however in the single district counties, which are cook

and Dupagee there is a county add on of $7,SO0.00. Ah,

the ah these are the changes except for the judicial cir-

cuits other than in other words in the downstate judicial

ëircuits. the salary for lawyer associates is $18,500.00

and there is no change in that. Also the non-lawyer assoc-iates will get $l5e0O0.0O. T'here are 22 downstate non-

lawyer judges. The first judicial circuit, which i.s Ccoi

. County, the pssociates, there is no change again, $18,500.0apd $4,500.00. Now. I might point out that there

was great.( 'controveryy 1as week when another bill was of f ered in the

providing for these increases . The associate judges orthe former magistrates who are now associate judges it wasfplt they were entitled to an incr/ase and these w

ere notprovided in the other bill. As a result the. motion to con-cur in the Governor's suggestions which deleted their in-crease failed, and as we ah and as a result there are noincreases .being provided for any

, judges in the State. Thisamendment actually restores them back to the Governor's

suggestion and in the inierim the President of the downstat

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associate judges, Judge schonkweiler and the President of

the Cook County associate judges, Judge Palmer have visited

me, have provided me with a letter stating that they are

anxious that this amendment be adopted and this bill be

passed, because they do accept as do I a' comlikmeht frcm

the Governor that in the next year an increase will be

provided the Assqciates. and I might add that the increase-

wili exceed the 5.5% which is only $leOO0.OO now that is

beini provided the other judges. so, the Associate Judgesare satisfied and are urging the adoption of this amendment

and the passage of this bill. They are attempting to wait

until next year when they feel and I feel also tha t their

increase will more than offset the delay that they're en-

countering getting their increase and so at that I wpuld

urge the adoption of Amendment Number Three to Senate Bill

915.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Champaign, Mr.

Hirschfeid-''

John C. Hirschfeldz ''Well, Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentle-

men of the House, I find it very difficult to cross swords

with the distinguished Majority Leader and I think this isthe first time I have done this in my short tour of duty

down here, but I also had anopportunity of speaking with

an Associate Circuit Judge, formerly Magistrate John Schonk

weiler for an hour and a half in my 1aw office over the

week-end via the telephone and Mr. Schonkweiler. I've also

spoken to him before on this matter and Mr. Schonkweiler,

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and I think that is to bé considered, and he told me the '

contents of the letter that he wasbaddressing to Mr. Hyde

and to Mr. Choate and to other members,'l believe, of the

House. Most of us did not receive that letter. Now, what

Mr. Schonkweiler told me was that the Governor stated that

he would in no circumstances provide a raise for lawyer or

non-lawyer magistrates this year. but that hopefully if

the budget permits, next year the lawyer magistrates would

be able to receive $23,500.00. But Ladies and Gentlemen

of the House, thgre's been no commitment whatsoever for the

non-lawyer magistrates and Mr. Schonkweiler informed me tht

the reason this was not in there was because the Governor

was not particularly in favor of non-lawyer magistrates.

Well, I stood up here on the floor o.f this House a. week''

ago and opposed the other bill and I am going to oppose

the amendment on this bill. Because itfs my personal opini n

that theM2z non-lawyer magistrates we have in this state

do às good a job if not a better'job than many of the law-

yers magistrates. We wörk as I stated before, from early'in the morning until 2:00 A.M. in the morning on a judicial

pay raise bill last June and this House saw fit to grant

a raise, $21,500.00 across the board for lawyers and non-

lawyers magistrates. Now, I am still concerned and I have

been conèerned about the fact that we may become a one man

legislature because of the gubernatorial veto powers that

have been installed in the new constitution. It seems to m

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that if we can provide a 5% raise fcr the Supreme Court

and the Appellate Court and the circuit Judges that the

Governor should be able to provide a 5% raise to the

lawyers and non-lawyer magistrates even if he has a par-

ticular ax to grind with the non-lawyer magistrates, and I

think this body has got a perfect opportunity to show that

we still are the legislative btanch of the government and

'to defeat this particular amendment so that the Governor

will either be forced to give the non-lawyer magistrates

a raise and the lawyer magistrates a raise if wb saw fit

last June, or else give none of the judges a raise. and you

can bet your bottom dcllar that if we stand firm on this

that there will be enough pressure put on by the Supreme

Court Judgds, the Appellate Court Judges and the Circuit

Court Judges to see to it that those that are not as lofty

in a positaon can also get what I consider to be a very

fair cost of living index raise and I urge you to defeat

this amendment.''

Hon. W. Robert Blairz ''The gentleman from McHenry, Mr. Han-

ahan . '' .

Thomas J. Hanahan: ''Mr. Speaker' and Members of the House: I

join with my colleague, Representative Hirschfeld and some

of his allegations to what has happened. Let's be very

honest with each other as being a non-member of the bar

association and I'm not a member or an officer of the court

I have no conflicts on exactly how I feel about pay raises

and I think we should be lcgical in our approach, I think

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we should go about this in an orderly fashion, but this

amendéent is deficient in a couple areas. First of all, we

only take care of Dupage County for an add on. I'd like to

know what the hell is the matter with Lpke County and Mc-

Henry County for an add on for our Circuit Magistrates. I

would like to know what makes a Judge sitting in Cook or

Dupage County different than a Judge sitting in Lake County

or McHenry County. I'd like to say I'm tired of sitting

here and listening to add ons now that because Dupage Count

is getting to be a little bigger, that we're going to

allow them to do it. Why think a Judge sitting in McHenry

county is just as good a judge as anyone sitting in cook or

Dupageccunty and I certainly think that this amendment is

certainly deficient in this area. Number two, who nqeds a

pay raise at this time? Letfs let's be honest. Is a perso

' earning $40:000.00 a year in desperate, dire straights aiou

needing a pay raise? We're talking about welfare crisis,

we're talking about needs and public aid and wefre going to

' worry, take up the time of this House and the time of the

members of the General Assembly and talk about giving a pay

.raise to somebody that's making $40,000.00 a year. Are we

insane?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any further discussion? The gentleman

from Dupage, Mr. Philip.''

James Pate Philip: ''Mr. Speaker, Aadies and Gentlemen of the

. House, I certainly would agree l00 per cent with t he dis-

tinguished Representatlve from McHenry County and if he'll

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remember last session that I supported the proposition that

a1l the judges in the Stàte of Illinois receiviag the samepay and that still has been my position. I don't think tha '

downs'tate judges should affect the second class judges.

Now, wouldn't it be very interesting to have the state re-

presentatives and state senators in Cook County, the State

Senators to get $7,500.00 a year extra and the State Re-

presentatives to get $4,500.00 a year extra? I quite fran-

kly don't think that they're entitled to it, but that hap-

pens to be the law and I would suggest that, that this is

a step perhaps in the right direction saying that all one

county circuits are provided add on out of the local gen-

eral fund, the county fund. Now, that at this point would

only provide add on for one county and that would be.Du-

Page, and I would assume that when we come back here nekt

year that wedre going to be reapportioning tie circuit. Th t

will also include, perhaps, counties like Lake, Winnebago,

iM' i dison and so they'll be quite a fewKane, S . Cla r, Ma ,

counties downstate that will als'o be provided with the add

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Hoh. W. Robert Blair: ''Have all. .any further discussion?

The gentleman from Cook, Mr. McDevitt.''

Bernard McDevitt: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House, the

Majority Leader referred to a letter that he had receivedfrom Judge schonkweiler. This letter was directed to him

and to Minority Leader choate and myself. There's been

some misunderstanding about the contents, so if you'll bear

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with me, I'd like to read it to you to show you the posit-

ion that has been taken by these Associate Judges, the for-

mer Magistrates, in which they ask that the increase in

the bill now presented to you with the amendment be awarded

to the Judges. Ah. the letter's dated November 5. Gentle-

men: The defeat by the House of Senate Bill 1098 hàs given

rise to the fact' that no judges in the State will receive

a salary increase during the year 1971. Many reasons have

been given explaining the vote of the House. one of them

being the Governor's veto of that part of the bill that

applied to Associate Judges. Thp Governor has made his'views clear. He will not sign a bill providing for salary

increase to Associate Judges this year. As such, any

package salary increase including raises for Associate

Judges would again be vetoed. We're extremelv qratified ''

that members of the House strongly believe that Associaté

Judges are deserving of increase. However, w e do not feel

that we wish io beopardize 'the salaries of other members of

the judiciary who are also deserving of a raise. In con-versation with the Governor since the veto, he's indicated

.to Representatives of the Asscciates Judges and Repr:senta-

tive s of the Judicial Advisory Council that he would again

veto any bill that came to his desk providing a raise to

Associate Judges. He cited fiscal reasons for this and

indicating that it would cost the state almost $1 million.

He further indicated, however, that he would definitely

support a raise for As'sociate Judges in any bill introduced'

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after January 1, 1972 and see that money was budgeted for#

that purpose. In line with the above, the governing boards

of b0th the county and the associate state judges have a-

greed to and in fact have actively supported the amended

bill stating the Governor's recommendations. We now sub-

mit the following suggestion for your consideration and

support. Amehd Senate Bill 9l5 which fortunately is still

8n the House calendar and presentiy concerns Associate Jud-

ges'önly to conform to the Governor's recommendations. We

urge its passage by the necessary three-fifths' vote in b0th

Houses, so that such increase would take effect immediately

upon signing this by the Governor. The result, of course,

would be that al1 judges, except Associates, would get the

raises ap/roved by b0th Houses last June. We would hope

that the Associate Judges in January, 1972, would receive

h d tive support from the members of thet e same, warm an ac

House, as displayed this past week. and because of the lack

of time xin communicating directly with each member of the

House, you have our permission to read this letter on the'

floor of the Hcuse or show to any legislative you see fit.

If necessary, wetd be willfng to come to Springfield and

speak to the House as a whole or any individual members.

Sincerely yours. Signed, Burton H. Palmer and John P.

Schonkweiler-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cpok, Mr. Carroll.''

Howard W. Carroll: nThank you, Mr. Speaker. Ladies and Gen-

tlemen of the House. The amendment to Senate Bill 9l5

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offered by the distinguished Majority Leader. Mr. Hyde,

does more than what has been bandied around this floor.

It also takes the Sections of the Judicial Article which

have always been confusing that have always been improperly

interwoven and improper legislative conduct rewrites these

in a reasonable, parallel and understanding manner. In

doing that. it includes the raises that he has reiterated.

'These raises are within the federal 5.5% guidelines. These

raises are within what has been asked of us by b0th the

Judges Association, the former Magistrates. the Governor'soffic'e anc this body which last June sent out a bill which#

includes these raises, in fact we're reduced them even

slightly in one area. What we are attempting to do to this

amendment is follow the will of this body. We have not

gotten it to the area of the new Associate Judges and I

know many of us have different 'feeiings about lawyer and

non-lawyer former magistrates. about add ons and non-axd

ons. The.-whole purpose of this amendment is not to get

into that at this time. If they are willing to wait, I

don't see why we shouldn't be willing to wait as to them

.and I might remind you that the constitution of 1970, in

the Judiciary Article in 'Section 1l, says that the eligib-

ility for office of either Judge or Afsociate Judge. that

he must be an attorney at lqw . When you're talking about

non-lawyer Associate Judge>, there's a quàstion about

hether there they wilf be in the future be eligible. WeF

know they canlt'be replaced by another non-lawyer, because

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the constitution prohibits And the question Fill be

whether when they come up for renewal of office if they

will even be able to take the oath' a second time. They

took'the oath this time before the constitution went into

effect or they wouldn't have been eligible under this con-

stitution. We're talking about a body of 22 lawyers. of

22 non-lawyers who are doing the work of lawyers, but who

after thi/, when it comes time to be renewed, wiil not be

eligible for office. I don't think that this should be a

prime concern at this time. I think we should pass this

amendment, put the whole iudicial Article in proper shape,'in proper language wlth parallel language and then moe e

on. Thank you.''

Hon. W. Robert Blairz ''The gentleman from Lawrence. Mr. Cun-

ningham.''

Roscoe D. Cunningham: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House.

How tragic it would be if we passed this particular bill.

How difficult it would be to face the people from Chicago

when theyqcome down here and tell us that they need Public

aid. to continue to live. How difficult it would be when

.we come back home and meet our voiers and try to explain

to them why we raised the salary of people who already made

many times the average salary of those same voters. The

time has come for this House to quit paying lip service to

the cause of economy. How many .times do we have to beat

. this judicial pay raise? Last week in Senate Bill 1098 we

went firmly on record as opposed to any pay raise at any' .. ' .. i . ', ji...... %% xï ... (yy,f't i rt. t w'r'rrrz f .$ G E N E R A L A S S E 51 B L Yl ( -'. ''V 'P v ., ù ) svxvs os 1 uul sl ols,.,.

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type for' this time for these judges. We need to stand by

this resolution. I want to publicly commend my friend,'

Representative Hanahan, as a nex rdcruit to the cause of

economy and government and lower salaries for public offic-

ials. How much better it would be in this instance to take

the $1 million which you propose tö frie er away on the

judges per year and give it to.the crisis in Chicago for- -public aid. Thank you. Mr. Speaker. We could transfer tha

$1 million. We realize it'd only be a drop in the bucket,but it'd be a drop in the right direction, and .1 hope that

the newspapers, and particularly the world's greatest news-

paper have a more accurate count nose count on the number

of lawyers who dare to defy the judiciary into opposing

this bill. We'll a11 feel better for having done our duty

if we'll vote 'No'.''

Hon. W. Robàrt Blair: ''The gentleman from Rock Island, Mr.

Pappas-''

Pete Pappas: ''Mr/speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen ot thexe

House, I urge the support of the House to defeat this amend

ment. The letter that was just read by Bernie McDevitt, to

me is nothing but legalized black mail. What can an Assoc-

iate Judge do when the Supreme Couft Judge' the Appellate

Judge and the Circuit Judges say this is what it's going to

be. How can an employee argue with his bcss? I think we

should stand up on our own two feet, do what we've tried to

do al1 this year and defeàt this amendment and show them

that if one should get their raise, everybody should get a

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raise. Let's defeat this amenânentp''

Hon. W. Robért Blairz ''The. ah gentleman from Cook. Mr. Hyde,

to close.''

Henry J. Hyde: ''Ah. thank you: Mr. Speaker. I won't ah

attempt to reply to every representative's remark that was

made about this amendment, some of which I must sign as

manifestations oè pique at some local judgç, no doubt, butI it was highly ironical to hear the distinguished gentle-man from McHenry do a l80 degrees turn on pay raises

. He,

who has proposed pay increases for the Governor to $60.000. 0

a year and substantial mind boMgling increases on every

Mtate offieial, he has been in the vangpard of that in-cluding legislative pay raises and he has set new standardsof increases for salary, so to hear him suddenly tura .on

the judges and say that they shouldnlt get a 5.5% increasewas astounding to say the least. Now, as far as the dis-

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tinguished gentleman frcm Champaign. I think we should en-

counter the reél world and inow that a 5.5% increase on

$18,500.00 is about $1,000.00. That isn't much of an in-crease and I am willing .as our Associate Judges to accept

the commitment of the Governor and'others that they willget an increase next year and I am confident that it will

exceed the pittance of the $925.00 or $1,000.00 that theywould be entitled to under this bill. I hate to be more

Russian.than Joe Stalin, but the fact is the Associate

Judges have asked for this in the expectation and the very

reasonable expectation Ehat they will get this a substantia.

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increase next year and I'm willing to accept that, so I' would ask adoption of the amendment, which, by the way is

not final passage of the bill, we're just seeking to adopt

an amendment, so I ask for its adoption.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''A1l right, the question is shall the'

amendment be adopted? All those in favor of the amendY nt

number three. All those in favor of the amendment will vot

. 'Yeas' the opposed 'No'. The gentleman from Bureau. Mr.#

Barry . '' '

Tobias Barry: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

Housè, without waqting the time of the House, you've heard

my arguments on this subject many times before, I would lik

to be recorded as voting 'Present'.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nBarry. 'Present'. On this question,the gentleman from Christian Mr. Tipsword, 'Present'?!'

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Yeah, there are, take the record. on this question, there

. are Sevcik, 'Yeasê. Take the record. Alsup, 'PresenE',

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'Present-'v yeah. On this question, there are 95 çYeas'

and 36 'Nays' and the amendment is adop* ed. Further amend-

mentsa'' '

: Fredric B. Selckez ''Amendment Number Four, Philip. Amend

Hcuse Bill 915, Amend Senate Bill jl5 in the House as amend

ed, amend Amendment Number Three to Sbnate Bill 9l5 in the

House on page 3 by striking lines 3 and 4 and inserting in '

lieu thereof the followingF '(a) In judicial circuits other

than any judicial circuit which consists of no more than

one county, eacho and on page 3 by striking lines 10 and

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11 and inserting in lieu thereof the following: '. (b)

In any judicial circuit which consists of no more than one

county, each associate judge shall be paide'.n

H'on. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from. Dupage, Mr.. Philip-'

James Pate Philip: ''Mr. speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, Senate Bill 915 in its present form just provide

for a one county circuit for circuit judges. What my amendt i'des is that also would include the Cook Countymen prov

add on for a1l one county circuits for Associate Circuit

Judges. I move the adoption cf Amendment Number Four.''

' Hon. W. Robert Blaip: ''Any discussion? All those in favor

say 'Yeas' the opposed 'No' the 'Yeas' have it and the# #

amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments?''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Amendment Number Five, Williams. Amend

Amendment Number Three to Senate Bill 915 in the House bn

page 3 by inserting after line 23 the following: 'Section

4. This amendatorv Act of 1971 shall be repealed upon the

occurrence of the event that the sum appropriated in Public

AcE 77-271, paqe 2, line 22, 'Fo'r General Assistance and

Local Aid to the Medica'lly Indigent under Articles VI and

'vII' is exhausted and depleted, provided that such event

occurs prior to July 1, 1972'.'.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nThe gentleman from Jackson, Mr. Wi1-

liams.''

Gale Williahs: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, I offer Amendment Number Five to Senate Bill 9l5

and I can't help this morning but be somewhat disturbed

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when we spent the last three or four weeks, Mr. Speaker,'

talking about ethics in the General Assembly. And where

do we find ourselves on the morning of Ncvember l1? We

find the lawyers in the General Assembly sponsoring a bill

to give the judges of Illinois a pay raise. And al1 ak the

same time, we've got people in Illinois that's hungry, Mr.

speaker, and al1 this amendment would do, this appropria-' tion is not ih the budget, and the sponsor knows this bet-

ter than I do. This appropriation is not in the budget.

We all know it's not in there. All this amendment would do '

would say that judges could get a pay raise, Mr. speaker.if the money's available, but if the money's exhausted for

general assistance, in the Public Aid Department, it would

mean they could not get their pay raise. I think it's .

utterly ridiculous to talk qbout giving judges a pay raise

and people going to bed hungr# in Illinois. I come from a, ' ii'sdistrict where if there s any fat catsin Illinois, .

. . certainly the judges. I would hope that the members of

this General Assembly, as Representative Hanahan just told

youg and Representative Cunningham, I think it's lon: over-:

' due that we do spmething about the pay raises for judges.

You and I know the damn 'judges are ridiculous in coming in. here asking for a pay raise. When a'man's paid $40,000.00'

a year to sit over here in a building and class himself as '

. one of the untouchables. 4nd that's what 'they think they

' 'are, they put on a little robe and go in and sit down in

a chamber with'twc or three secretaries floating around the .

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and they sit there and how many cases do they hear? They

are being paid at the rate of $400.00 an hour. If you

would figure it on an hourly basis. I think that it's

ridiculous and I would think the lawyers in this General

Assembiy in order to keep your ethics half way clean, just

half way clean, that' you would lay off this bill and cïean

up your own ethic.s. I think tkat it's time that we start'L- i d looking hard at who's handling these bills.look ng an

Now, 'they said who endorsed this b/ll? It was endorsed

by the judges, isnft that just ducky? That the' judges

would endorse themselves a pay raise and they expect you

and I to vote for it and then the papers will write the

editoriaïs talking about you.and I giving them a pay raise

and still we're talking about economyy' we're telling people

who're hungry that there's no money, we're telling people

that wants roads, theret's no money, weire telling higher

education, that we've got to raise tuition. that younq

people cad't go to school, because tuition's already beyond

their means, but we can give the judges $40,000.00 a yearsalary. We've got the money for that wetre saying

. So:#

I urge the adoption of this amendment, Mr. Speaker, I khinkit's a good one.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''A11 those. . .the gentleman from Cook,

Mr. Simmons-''

Arthur E. Simmons: ''We11y Mr. Speaker, the wording of that

apendment states that this is to amend another amen dment,

and I question that procedure.''

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''We11, I think frankly it's the only

way that it can be clear just what we are dealing here,

the amendment here that Mr. Hyde put on stripped the bill,

so in order to correctly refer to the page numbers, etc.

that these subsequent amendments are addressing themselves

to, it had to be the page numbers in the in that amendment,

so it's very clear from reading it what is intended and the

' last amendment we adopted offered by Mr. Philip was in the

same language. All those in favor of the adoption of the

amendment say 'Yeas' the opposed 'No' the 'Yeas' have it# #

and ihe amendment .is adopted. Further amendments?''

Fredric B. selcke: ''Amendment Number Six, Williams. . .

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''You want a roll call? All right, okay

Further amendmentsa''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Amendment,y .''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: l'How manyr'well. do we have the number

five, six, is that what you're saying? Ah. further aiend-'

mentsa''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Amendment Number Six, Williams. Amend

Amendment Number Three to Senate Bill 9l5 in the House on

.page 3 by inserting after line 23 the following: 'Section

4. This amendatory Act of 1971 shall be subject to Exee-

utive Order 11615, dated August 15. 1971, as issued by

the President of the United States to stabilize prices,

rents, wages and salaries, together with any modification

ôr extension thereof b or ursuant to Federal Law includ-

inq but not limited to any rule, order, regulation or. 4 s' h

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guideline of the Cost of Living Council or the Pay Board'-''

Hcn. W. Robert Blair: ''The 'gentleman from Jackson, Mr. Wil-

liams . ''

Gàle Williams: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, Amendment Number Six is a very simple amendment and

I think the bill would come under whether this amendm' ent

' was adopted but I would like to speak about it. It simply

says that the pay raise will be subject to the Federal Wage

and Price freeze and I don't think that's asking too mœ IA

to ask the judges to comply with the Federal Court order, sI would move the adoption of Amendment Number Six.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''A1l right, all those in favor say

'Yeas'. the opposed 'No' the 'Yeas' have it and the amend-#

ment is adopted. Are Ehere further amendments? Third

reading. Al1 right, with leave of the House, we'kl go to

the Speaker's table on which there appears House Bill 3760.

Nowy that inadvertently was left off the ah on the con-

currences' on the on the calendar and ah I would like to

indicate to the membership that it is the intention after

we concur in the 3700 that we will take a lunch breake for

'about an hour and a half or so. ill right, the gentleman

from McHenry, Mr. Lindberg, in connection with the Senate

action regarding House Bill 3700.''

George W . Lindberg: ''A1u first, Mr. S'peaker, a point of par-

liamenEaby inquiry. Ah, yesterday I belfeve that we simply

took the bill out of the record, so thak if I were to de-

sire to withdraw that motion, I take it it's not necessary

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if I wanted to make a new motion at this timev'd

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Yes. it has been the ruling of the

Chair that when leave is given t6 take a matter out of the

record, that anything in connection with that is taken out

of the record with it.'t

George W. Lindbergz '.A1l right. then. Mr. Speaker, ah ah I

woufd like to move that we do not concur in the Senate a-mendments to 3700 and by way of expianation

, let me simply

say that many of the comments that were made on the floor

of the House yesterday, I took note of and spent the total

nigh6 up until 4z0.O A.M. this morning reviewing a11 of thos

criticisms, and it is my conclusion in weighing al1 of the

. conslderations that were brought out on the floom and also

incidèntally because I have some question as to the via-bility of the double dipper amendment

. which is number two,

for that reason, I have concluded that we should move to

not concur in those senate amendments, and I so movev'Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Franklin

, Mr. Hart.'

Richard 0. Hart: ''Would the sponsor yield to a question?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He indicates that he will.''

Richard 0. Hart: ''Ah George, what percent of these are good#

and what percent of these are bad?''

George W. Lindberg: ''It got down to thi:, Dick, I suddenly

realize that we had gone over the 5l% bad mark, so we have

5l% bad and 4P% good and for that reason, 'l think we ought

not concur.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Ccok, Mr. Ewell.''. ,, z'. 3.,..

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Raymond W. Ewell: ''Would the sponsor yield to a que&tion?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''H: indicates he will.''

Raymond W. Ewell: ''Mr. Lindberge is there any reason why we

couldn't just leave this to the discretion of the Governor

and his amendatory veto and get it out of the way now?f'

George W . Lindbergz ''Yeah, theqbig problem among many of the

others raised is the fact that when the Senate amended 3700

they also struck the emergency clause. so we would leave

here without having any possibility, we would leave here

with the possibility of not having passed the bill that

would be effective in time for our filing in December, tha s

to Representative Pierce on that point.''

Hon. W. Robert Blairz nThe gentleman from Lawrence. Mr. Cun-

ningham, what's yo ur point?''

Roscoe D. Cunninghamz .''What's the status of senate Bi1l 1302,

is there any possibility that itfll come before this group

before we adjourn? The reason that I think it's relevant,

.letvme finish my question. . .is that it it offers

the best chance that we have to pass a meaningful ethics

legislation without obligating to the Governor the respon-

.sibility of drawing the bill. Wou'ld the Chair answer?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Al1 right. the House will be at ease

while we have the Clerk check on the status of House Bill

1302 for the gentleman from Lawrence. Oh, Senate Bill: I

see. Al1 right. All right, the Chair is pleased to inform

' the gentleman that Senate Bill 1302 sponsored by Senator

Partee is on the order of senate Bills first reading and it' . ), .

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has not been indicated to the Chair who is the intended

House sponsor of that bill, when that occurs, why we will

go that order ot business and have it read a first time.''

Roscoe D. Cunningham: ''If the sponsor were found, would it

be possible to move it along and waive the rules if the

H i be amenible topeople would agree on it, would t e cha rmoving it along within the two days that remain?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Well. I think it might 'be longer than

two days that we're going to be here, but the Chair is

aïw' ays amenable to thoughtful suggestions- ''

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Roscoe D. Cunninghamz ''Thank you.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''A7.l right, the question. .the gen-

tleman from Union, Mr. Choate.''

clyde L. Choate: ''Are we gozng to have p vote on the gentle-

mah's motion to non-concur?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Yeah, I was just going to do that.

A1l those in favor of, all those in favor of the gentle-

' i to' non-concur say 'Yeas' the opposed 'No'man s mot on , .

. . .the gentleman frcm Union, Mr. Choate.''

Clyde L. Choate: ''Mr. Speaker, I don't care whether you havç

an oral vote or a roll call'vote. but I do desire the pri-

vilege of explaining my vote.'' '

Hon. W. Robert Blair: HYou may explain your oral vote.''

clyde L. Choate: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of this

House, only one who stands on 'the floor of this House is

truthfully the only one that knows in his heart and his

conscience how he feels when he casts a vote and I know that

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as members of this legislature, often do and frightfully soI suggest, speculate as to the sincerity of the vote th

atmaybe a member cast. I'm not one that usually browses into

heresay, but I was told last evening and yesterday afternooand this morning something by three different members of thSenate, and I will not go into their names

. te t brings l'about the explanation of my vote

. It was told to me that

in a Democratic caucus of the Democratic side in the Senate

yesterday, when they were talking about Senate Bill 3700,

that 'a statement was made by one of those. members that they

didn't really have to worry about Senate Bill 3700, because

when it came back to the House, that Clyde Choa te.would see

that it was not concurred in and that it would be 1ed downto defeat. Well, I want to tell the Democratie members inthe State Senate and I want to Yell the Demdcratic man' bersin this House, and I want to te 1 the Republican Members

às well in-both bodies and the entire State of Illinois:that I'm sincere about a eode of ethics

, and if they think

that they're going to pass it over herç and Clyde choéte isgoing to be a part or party to leading it to defeat, they

are out of their cotton picking minds. I'm going to con-

tinue doing what I set out to do last Qeek. I'm going to

be for the strongest code of ethics that can possibly comeout of this General Assembly. And that's Ehe reason that

q fm happy to see Representative Lindberg move to non-concuris only to print on more strengthening language if at all

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possible. I resent members of my party and on the other

side of the rotunda taking that attitude. and I'm going to

publicly tell them so, not individually. If they want to

hear it individually. they can come and talk to me-''

Hon. W. Rcbert Blair: ''The 'Yeas' have it and the House non-

concurs in the Senate amendments and the message will be

sent over there now. The gentleman from Aandolph, Mr.

Holloway.''

James D. Holloway: ''If we could have your attentione Mr.

speaker: we'd like to have a roll cali vote on that motion.l

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''I've already announced the result.

The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Hyde.''

Henry J. Hyde: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

Housee I now move this Hpuse stand in recess until the. .

hour of 2:15 P.M.''

. Hon. Robert Blair: ''All those in favor say 'Yeps' the. '

opposed 'No' wedll be in recess now for two hours til#' . .

2 : 15 P .A. ''

Recess Aï 12:19 O'Clock P.M.

qReturn Aï 2:15 O'Clock P.M.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Messages from the Senite.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Message from the Senate by Mr. Wright,

Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform the House

of Representatives that the Senate .has adopted the follow-

ing senate Joint Resolution, in the.adoption of which I am

in&tructed to ask the concurrence of the House of Repres-

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çntatives, to-wit: Senate Joint Resolution Number 58.

Adppted by the Senate, N6vember 11, 1971. Kennqth Wright,

Secretary of the Senate. Message from the Senate by Mr.

Wrig/t, Secretary. Mr. Speaker, I am directed to inform th

House of Representatives that the Senate has refused to

recede from their amendments' to a bill of the following

title, to-wit: House Bill 3700. I am further directed to

inform the House of Representatives that the senate re-

quests a Committee on Conference to consist of five members

from each house to consider the differences of the two

Houses in regard to the amendments to the bill, and that

the Committee on Committees of the Senate has appointed as

such Committee on the part of the Senate the following:

Senators Partee, Cherrye Lyons: Harris and Coulson. .Açtion

taken by t%e Senate', November ll, 1971. Kenneth Wright;

Secretary of the sena te. No further messages-''

Honk Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook. Mr. Hyde,

moves thit we accede to the Senate's request for a Confer-

ence Committee regarding House Bill 3700. A1l those in

favor say 'Yeas' the o/posed 'No' and the 'Yeas' have it' #

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'and the House accedes to the senate request. The appoint-

ments from the House will be Speaker: Hyde. Lindberg, Tip-

sword and Shea. A1l right, with leave we'll go to the

Senate Bills first reading, Senate Bill 1302.',

Fredric B. àelcke: ''Senate Bill 1302.' An act to insure ac-

countability in government and make an appropriation there-

fore. First reading of the bi11.''

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr..Ewell.''

Raymopd W. Ewell: ''Mr. Speàker, Ladies and Gentlemen, 1302

is the Senate version of an act to insure accountability

in g6vernment. I think that sounds a little better and

appropriate, and what we're going to do is in order to have

another vehicle, I'm going tb make a motion that we suspend

the appropriate rules and advance Senate Bill 1302 from

first reading without reference to committee, to be placed

op the second legislative day, so that we can make any

necessary amendments that might be necessary. I'd like to

ask leave of the House.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''All right, the gentleman from Cook,

Mr. Katz.''

Harold A. Katz: ''Ah, it seems to me that the bill should have

hearing as far as vehicle is concerned, don't we have a.

couple of vehicles already to legislate the field. I reall

don't see why we need the bill for that purpose. don't

know whyeit shouldn't have the same kind of hearing that

the constitution requires that i's notice of hearing on

bills.'.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Ewell.''

Raymond Ewell: ''We11, in response from the gentleman from

Lake, ah I'd like to say that first of al1 if we talk about

hearing, we've had enough hearings on this last bill to

last us 'all year. Everyone has basically made up their

' minds that they have some opinions and some thoughts on

this and this is an expression by the entire senate, their

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bill, they passed it and I feel that they're entitled to'

have their say in court. Now, we can't hide behind little

minor technicalities and say we haven't had a hearing. be-

cause al1 we've been talking about around here is account-

ability and I suggest that wefve had enough hearing and if

there's an objection, I'd like to make a motion.''Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Al1. . .''

Râymond W. Ewell': ''Mr. Speaker. I'd like leavee I'd like to

make a motion. I make a motion. . .''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Yes, 1. . .there is objection to yourrequ'est for unanipous consent to advance 1302. Now, you're

recognized to make a motion?''

Raymond W. Ewell: ''Yesy I'd like to make a motion that we su-

spend the provisions of 32b which is the timetable and we

also suspend the appropriate provision fcr the rules send-

ing it to a committee and what we're asking, Mr. Speaker

and Ladies and Gentlemen, is this is ethics, it's thë

Senate version and I feel that they're entitled to have a

hearing and we know that there will be no hearing if we

try to send this to committee again. So I'm asking that

we suspend the rules and advance this bill at the same time

to second legislativç day. second 'reading, at which time

this House can have its say on any Mlendments that they

might want to put to the Senate Bi11.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''All right. is. thq gentleman is moving

to suspend the rules io advance Senate Bill 1302 to the

order of second reading without reference to committee.

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The gentleman from Cook: Mr. Katz.''

Harold A.' Katz: ''Well I was just going to explain my vote,

Mr. Speaker, it seems to me thak the merit of his motion '

would be involved and I simply was. m ing to explain my

vote, and I didn't know if we'd reached the point of ex-

planation of votes.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cgok, Mr. Hydee''

Henry J. Hydez ''We11, Mr. Speaker: speaking for myself and

our leadership, he have no objection to advancing this tosecond reading. We have a conference committee set up that

will be grappling with this problem and I think it might be

w' ell to have this cn second reading as 'a vehicle in the eve t

we are unsuccessful. I don't predict that, but I think it

is a good ideae so I don't object to it being advancede''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: .'dFor what purpose does the gentleman'

from Cook. Mr. Katz, rise?''

Harold A. Katz: ''In view of the Majority Leader's statement:

k will wxthdraw my objection. there's no use in doing that

which isn't going to workezwasting the time, I will argue

about it when we get on 'second reading or third reading-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''A1l right, thbn, is there objection

then to consent then to advancing to second. second ah day?

Hearing none. then the bill will be all right, advanced to

the order of second reading. Al1 righte on the concurrence

calendar 'appears Flouse Bill 1311. The gentleman from Cook e

.Mr. Ewel1..'

Raymond W. Ewell: ''Mr. Sp'eaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of' . a ;*'.s q ..f < .., 4 o'n>%Ly c E N E R A L A s s E M B L Y,z:?,,f , ,l q:è -.) ,.b

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the House, House Bill 1311 is a bill which related to

nmhulance chasers, which this House passed by an excessive-

ly large majority. The senate had put in a simple amend-'

t io provide for written notice; and .that's a1l thatmen

the amendment does and I would urge concurrence of the

House in the amendment.l'

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Further discussion? A11 right, the

question is shall the House concur in Senate Amendment

Number One to House Bill 13117 All those in favor will

vote 'veas' and the opposed 'uou and this is final action.

Have a1l voted who wished? The Clerk will take the record.

on this question, there are l20 'Yeas' and no 'Nays' and

this bill having received, the House concurs in Senate Amen -

ment Number One. 1314. The gentleman from Cook, Mr.. Ewell ''

Raymond W. Ewell: ''Mr; Speaker, Ladies. and Gentlemen.of the

House, 1314 is a companion bili which deals with claims

against fire insurance companies or representatives of in-

s urance cbmpanies for fire insurance damages. Ah', is

' the same as 1311. the same amendtent was added by the Sen-

ate, which simply provides for written agreement and I

kould urge agreement of the House.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there discussion? .The question is

shall the House concur in Senate Amendment Number One to

House Bill 1314? A1l those in favor will vote 'Yeas' and

the oppoied 'No'. Have all voted who wished? The Clerk

will take the record. On this question, there are l17

'Yeas' and l 'Nay' and the House concurs in Senate Amend-

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ment Number One to House Bill 1314. 2209. The genkleman,the lady from Cook, Mrs. Chapman-''

Mrs. Eugenia S. Chapman: ''Mr. Sp'eaker, Members of the House,House Bill 2209 is the bill that removes the discriminationwhich presently exists agains t women in the unemployment

compensation act who are 13 weeks before or 4 weeks afterchild birth in order to secure approval in the Senate

. I. accepted the very reasonable mnendment proposed by a gen-

tleman on theother side of the aisle. and the refore I move

cbncurrence with Senate Amendment Number One to House Bill2 2 O 9 .. ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? The gentleman from Cook,

Mr. Lechowicz.''

Thaddeus S. Lechowiczl ''Thapk you, Mr. Speaker, will the

sponsor of the bill and amendment explain what does the

amendment do'?''

i S Chapman: ''Ah you as'ked I'm sorryy. .

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Thaddeus S. Lechowicz: HI asked what does the amendment do?''X 'Mrs. Eugenia S. Chapmanz ''Okay . Ah, what the amendment says

is this. Ah, if ohymy glasses, if a woman is discharged

from her employment within eight weeks of her anticipatedbirth of child, she shàll, be anticipated to be able to work

unless the employer presents direct o, competent proof ofher inability or unwillingness to work and the senate

spon-sor of this amendment felt that this would give the em

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ployer an option to answer to enter into the decision.'''

Thaddeus S. Lechowicz: ''That was eight weeks?''

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Mrs. Eugenia S. Chapman: ''Ah yes, sir. ''# .

Thaddeus Lechowicz: HThank you.''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook. Mr. Palmer.''

Romie J. Palmer: ''Wi1l the sponsor yield?''.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''she indicates she will. ''

Romie J. Palmer: ''Mrs. Chapman. was this considered, if you

know, by the group Economic Security Employment Advisory

Board in their deliberations whereby they came out with a

an agreed bill. Do you know whether or not this was con-

sidered?''

Mrs. Eugenia Chapman: ''Ah, I trust I talked with a gentle-m'an on the phone yesterday who told me no

, they really

hadn't considered it, but of course, this bill was intro-

duced in the middle of the session in the spring and I'm

quite disappointed that they didn't give it careful. consi'd-' 'eration ''

Romie J. Palmer: ''Mr. Speaker?''

Hon/ W. Robept Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Palmer-''

Romie J. Palmer: ''Just a short statement .''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Proceed.''

Romie J. Palmer: ''Normally these thin'gs, everything that is

to be considered, is considered by the group. that's suppos-

ed to do the study. I don't have any real great objectionabout this type of a situation, I doh't think that thcre's

any type' any great problem with the intent, but I think

it must be that the that that group, the advisory group did

éid no't make it a part of the great pro-consider this and

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cess and by not having it as a part of the agreed bill th at

is presented here, passed out of this House and now by the

Senate, that perhaps that they did'consider it and felt thaat perhaps this time they shouldn't go with it

. Ah# thatreason, I feel that perhaps we should hold this perhapsuntil Spring to find out if these facts are so and then wecan go with it at that point.

''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Lake, Mr. Pierce-''

Daniel M. Pierce: ''Ah; Mrs. Chapman. you remember when this' bill came up, and I know that this is unemployment compen-

sation, for women who are pregnant, I did discuss with you

the possibility of broadening the bill to include workmens'

compensation payments for women who became pregnant on thejob. I wonder if you did anything about that in the Se

nate 'çMrs. Eugenia s. Chapman: ''No, sir, I hope that this House wil

pass affirmatively on this bill this afternoone however.''Daniel M. Piercez ''Well, 1 think you should consider these

industrial accidents where things do happen along this linebut the bill as far as it goes under unemployment compensa-tion bill seems al1 right and I will support it

. but I wishyou had included workmens' comp for these industrial accid-CWYS œ '1

Hon. W. Rcbert Blair: ''The gentleman from Ccok. Mr. Duff-''

Brian B. Duff: ''Ah, will the sponsor answer a questione please ''Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''She indicates she wi1l

.''

Brian B. Duff: .'Ah, Representative Chapman, I don't find theamendment on my desk , I did listen to your explanation and

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I'd like to ask you to clarify what what I think was the

import of it. Is it my uhderstanding that this 4mendment

says in effect that the employer must prove that the woman

should not be still employed even after .the period eight

weeks before the expected termination of the pregnancy, is

that correct?n

' Mrs. Eugenia S. chapman: ''Yes, this is wha t the Senate spon-

sor of this amendment desired to give the employer and an

opportunity to have his say in the decision.''

Brian B. Duff: ''And yet he, under what circumstances is he

allowed to provide that proof? Must he, for example, ask

the employee to take a physical? Or how else would he have

that information?''

Mrs. Eugenia Chapman: ''Mr. Duff, I'm not an expert on the

unemployment compensation. 'Theyfll probabiy is someone 6n'the floor better able to answer that than I can. My underr

standing'is that this should be covered by rules #nd re-

gulationsr and that in any case where there is a question

. of whether the person is able to kork, that there.can be

a requirement, a doetor''s statement be available-''

Brian B. Duff: ''Representative Chapman, in the event that the

unborn child, who was only eight weeks away .from expectant

life, were injured in an an occupational accident, in other

words, under the workmans' compensat'icn act, ah, do you

know if the workmans' compensation act would apply to that

child alsoa''

Mrs. Eugenia S. Chapman: ''Ah can't see that this enters

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into this matter of unemployment compensation. Mr.. Duff-''

Brian .B. ouff: ''How about tAe employers liabilitye.common

law liability. then, to the unborn 'child who is present on

a working scene?''

Mrs. Eugenia s. Chapman: ''I presume that there would be no

difference whether it is eig%t months before, eight weeks

before or eight months before. can. pot see that this re-

lates to the question at hand.''

Brian B. Duff: ''Well, doesn't it say then in effect and this

is what I 'm really getting at, that the mother, in an eeon-

omic need, or else in a self -interpreted economic need' aecould bring a viable child, so to speaky unventure simere

into the working circumstances where that child might be

injured.''Mrs. Eugenia Chapmah: ''Mr.' Duff, if you're concerned abbut

such things as miscarriage, there's a lot more opportunity

for miscarriage during the first three months of pregnancy

than in'vhe last two months-''Brian B. Duff: ''I didn't say anytving about miscarriage, I

said m talking about industrial accidents-''

Mrs. Eugenia S. Chapman: ''Again, they could this is something

which could occur anytime during the course of pregnancy,

I would presume, and I do not see how this relates to un-

employment compensation.''

Brian B. Duffz ''We1l, I'm talking abqtt the fact that the

mother, under these circumstances, as a detriment to the

emplcyer's option without praof and the circumstances of

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proof you have not yet related to would be involvqd and

thç rights of that child.' It seems to me that unless you

have heard scme testimony before some committee or some '

commission on this subject, that I ' ve :ot to agree with

Representative Palmer that without further illumination.

his amendment shouldn ' t be passed through at this t'ime . ''t

Hon . W . Robert Blair : ''The gentleman f rom Cook. Mr . Mann . 'd

Robert E. Mann: ''Mr. Speaker. parliamentary inquiry-''

Hon. ,W. Robert Blair: ''Yes.''

Robert E. Mann: HIs there a'gynecologist in the House?''

Hon. W. Robert Blaip: nApparently not. The gentleman from

Dupagee Mr. Hudson.'.

George Ray Hudson: ''No.H

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Glass.''

Bradley M. Glass: ''Thenk you/ Mr. Speaker. Ah, Ladies and

Gentlemea of the House, as a member of the sub-committee

that conducted hearings on this bill, heard at some length,

I think eft's a good bill. However, I share the feeling

of Representative Palmer that the timing perhaps is not

'f this bill and I refer the member-right for the passage o

'ship to chamber of Commerce nGgsle'tter of November 8, in

which they point out that this bill along with another bill

really is in violation of the agreed bill process in the

House and that tb maintain the good faith of the b0th the

managemeht and organized labor. worked out the provisions

of a rather complex agreed bill, it would perhaps be better

to hold this bill off. Now, I it's the first contact I've

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had of course with the agreed bill process in this session,

but it seems to me if we are going to support that process

then we shouldn't make exceptions and if this bill was not

part of the agreed process. I would urge that it be hëld

off until Spring.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''All right, any further discussion?

The lady care to closea''

'Mfs. Eugenia S. Chapman: '1I would appreciate a green light

on this motion, please.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: HAll right. the question i's shall the

House concur in Senate Amendment Number One to House Bill

2209 A1l those in favor will vote 'Yeas' and the opposed!

'No'. The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Palmerm''

Romie J. Paller: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, to explain my vote, ah, I think that the passage of

this amendment, possibly passage of the bill, certainly

does violation to the agreed bill process and does set a

precedent where we can not perhaps rely on the group com-

posed of members of labor, public members and members of

management, whereby they've gotten together before and

ironed out these very thorny problems on unemployment com-

pensation. If we set a precedent here, then perhaps wedre

going to set a precedent again at some other place. And

for that reason and the furthe r reason that unemployment

compensation benefits comes about as a result of determin-

ation of employment by re'ason of economic circumstances and

not biological circumstances and the concept to me seems a

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little farxJetched at this present time, but perhaps has' hope conceptually and I susppct that's what we're talking

about and for that reason I'm going to vote 'No' and to#

ask others to vote 'No' also.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Have .a1l voted who wished? Have a1l

' voted who'-wished? The clerk will take the record. I'm

sorây, the gentleman from Cook, Mr. Scariano.'''

Anthony Scariano: ''Mr. speaker, may I be recorded as 'Present .'1

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Record the gentleman as 'Present'.

Mcclain, 'Present'. Yes, take the record. Boyle, 'Present .

. ' , 24 'xa s' and the ' 'on this question, there are 89 Yeas , y

gentleman from Cook, Mr. Palmer, has requested e verifi-'

cation, so the Clerk will proceed t6 verify the affirmative

Votes . 'i -

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Alsup, Arrigo: Barnese Barry, Berman,

Borchers, Bradley, Brandt, Brummet, Burditt, Caldwell, '

calvo, capparelli, Carrigan, Carroll, Jimmy Carter, Richard

Carter, Chapman. Choate, Colitz: Otis Collins, Corbett,'

craig. R. Cunningham, Davis, Diprima, Douglas, Byer,

Ewell, Fary, Fennessey, Elinne Garmisa, Gibbs, Giorgi, .

: ' , Hamilton, Hanahan, Hill, Holloway, Houlih'an. Jacobs,

Jaffe Jcnes, Kennedy'. Kosinski: Xrause, Laurino, Lauter-#

bach, Lechowicz, Lenard, Leon, Londrigan, M. Madigan, Manne

Maragos, Markert, Matijevich, Mccormiek, McDermott, Mc- 'Devitt, McGah. McLendon, Mcpartlin, Merlo, D. O'Brien,

, 'O'Hallaren, Pierce, Réndolph, Rayson, Redmond, Rcsee

Schneider, Shaw, Shea, Timothy Simms, Ike Sims, Smith,

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soderstrom, stone. Taylor. Telcser, Terzich, R. Thompson,

Tipsword. Harold Washington, Welsh. Williams. B. B. Wolfe,

Yourellw''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Diprima, the gentleman from Cook: Mr.

Diprima. 'The gentleman. stedelin, 'Yeas'. Ropa, 'Yeas',Erank Wolf, 'Yeas', Borchers, 'Present', a1l right, thè

gentleman from Cook, Mr. Palmér. Would the members please

- be in their seats now . Madigan. fYeas'. He's already

voted once.''

Romie J. Palmer: '''Tobie Barry?'.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''A1l right: take him off the record.''

Romie J. Palmer: ''Did I see Mr. Brandt, is he over there?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He's here.''

Romie J. Palmbr: ''Brummet?''

Hon. k. Robert Blair: ''He's here.''

Romie J. Palmer: ''Calvo?''

. Hon. W. Robert Blairz ''He's here.''

Romie J. Palmer: ''Diprima?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nHe's here.''

Romie J. Palmer: ''Fennessey?n

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He's there-''

Romie J. Palmer: ''Gibbs?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''A1l right, how is the gentleman

recorded?''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''The gentleman is recorded as voting

' YOXS ' %'

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He's not in his seat, take him off

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the record.''

Romie J. Palmer: ''Corbetta''

W Robert Blaip: ''He's her'e ''Hon. . .

Romie J. Palmer: ''Krause?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair; ''Hcw is the gentleman recorded?''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''The gentleman is recorded as voting

' Ye a:s ' ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Take him off the record. ''

Romie J. Palmer: ''Mr. Hi1l?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''How is the gentleman recordeda''

Fredric.B. Selcke: ''The gentleman is recorded as voting

' Ye Z' S î ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Take Hill off the record and put

Krause back on.''

Romie J. Palmer: ''Mr. Craig?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Craig? How is Craig recorded?''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''The gentleman is' recorded as voting'

' Ye a s ' ''*x

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nTake him off the record-''

Romie J. Palmer: ''Markerta''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He's there.''

Romie J. Palmer: ''O'Ha1l'aren?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''OiHallaren? How .is, there he is.''

Romie J. Palmer: ''Brinkmeier?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman is not recorded. Gibbs

is back on the floor, put him back on the recordw''

Romie J. Palmer: .''Mr. Garmisa?''

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Hon . W . Robert Blair : ''He ' s back there . ''

Romie J . Pa lmer : ''Mr . Holloway? ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Holloway's there.''

Romie J. Palmer: ''Mike Madigan?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Mike's ovbr in the corner. He's. ..11

Romie J. Palmer: ''Londrigan?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: HHe's hereï''

âo'm-ie J palmer: ''Timothy simmsa''

Hon. w-'kobert Blair: ''How is the gentleman recordeda''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''The gentleman is recorded as 'voting

' ' ye as l 11

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''No*, he's not in his seat, take him

off the record.''

Romie J. Palmer: '.Mr. Terzich?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: 'sHe's here-''

Romie J Palmer: ''Mr. Welsh?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He's back there. For what purpose

does thevéentleman from Franklin, Mr. Hart, rise?''

Richard 0. Hart: HMr. Speaker, am Irecorded on this roll

Call?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''How is the gentleman recorded?''

Fredric B. selcke: ''The gentleman is recorded as, . . . the

gentleman is recorded as not voting.''

Richard 0. Hart: ''I'd like to be recorded as voting 'Yeas'.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Record the gentleman as voting 'Yeas'.

The gentleman from Tazewell Mr. VonBceckman.''. #

James VonBoeckman: 'dHow am I recorded Mr. Speaker?''

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: i'How is the qentleman recorded?n

Eredric é. selcke: ''The gentleman is recorded as not voting.''

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James VonBoeckman: ''Record me as voting 'Yeas'.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Record the gentlemon as voting 'Yeas'.

There are 89 'Yeas' 24 'Nays' and 3 'Present' so the' #

what purpose does the gentleman from Cook, Mr. Caldwell#

'

. rise? ''

Lewis A. H. Caldwell: ''Mr. Speaker, having voted on the pre-

vailing side, I now move that the vote by which House Bill

2209 was recorded be reconsidered. ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nAll right, Karmazyn. 'Yeas', your

brder will be in motion as soon as I have announced that

the House has concurred in Senate Amendment Number One to

House Bill 2209. The gentleman has moved to reconsider and

the gentleman frcm Lake, Mr.. Pierce.''

Daniel M. Pierce: ''Mr. Speaker, I move that that motion lie'

upon the table.''

Hcn. W. Rcbsrt Blair: ''All those in favor of the motion to

table say 'Yeas' the opposed 'No' the 'Yeas' have it and. ' # '

the motion. . .a11 those in favor say 'Yeas', the opposed

,'No'. .all those in favor vote 'Yeas' and those opposed#

vote 'No'. Have a11 voted who wished? The Clerk will take

the record. On this question, there are 88 'Yeas' and 45

'Nays' and this motion to table pre/ails. 2662. The gen-

tleman from Peoria, Mr. Lauterb#ch-''

Wilbur H. Lauterbach: ''No.'f

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Taxe it out of the record. All right,. q . )!: A k .4$ rc?.a ' > (; s x E lt A t. x s s E M B 1- v, -:.y , -.t!tp y- .. :.-1 '

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27-, 2732. The gentleman from Jackson, Mr. Williams-''

Gale Williams: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House. I would like to move to concur in senate Amendment

Number One, which is an amendment that was agreed to by the

department. It simply strikes on page 1, line 25 and 26

and inserts in place of that 'forest fire wardene means anv

district local emergencv forest fire warden and on page 3-by striking line 26 and inserting in lieu thereof the fol-

lowihg 'outside the limits of anv city, villaqe or incor-

porated town'. I would like to move the adoption of Senate

Amendment Number One.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there any discussion? The question

is shall the House concur in Senate Amendment Number One tc

House Bill 2732. A11 those in favor will vote 'Yeas' and

the oppcsed 'No'. Have a11 vcted who wished? The Clerk

will take the record. Garmisa, 'Yeas' Carroll, 'Yeas'ê #

Maragos, 'Yeas', Simmons, what purpose does the gentleman

rise?''

Arthur E. Simmons: HWell, Mr. Speaker, I have two amendments

for this bill and Amendment Number One does not underline

the new language as Amendmen't Number Two does.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''A11 right, th'e Clerk is correcting the

file copy, underlined, rolling and engrossing, and it is

taking a while. O'Brien, 'Yeas'. On this question, there

are 130 'Yeas' and no 'Nays' and the House concurs in Sen-

ate Amendment Number One to House Bill 2732. Now, with

respect to Amendment Number Two to House Bill 2732, the

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gentleman from Jackson, Mr. Williams.''

Gale Wiliiams: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of theHouse, Senate Amendment Number Two is another amendment

that's been agreed to by the departmentz On page 2. linel inserting after the period the following: 'No suehdistrict.may include any part of anv territory of any for-

est preserve district or ark district, or successor there

of. except for any land which was leased from the depart-ment'. And I would move the adoption of Amendment NumberW O e 1'

Hon. W. Robert Blairz ''Any discussion? The question is shallihe House concur in Senate Amendment Numb

er 0ne to HouseBill 27327 All those in favor will vote 'Yeas' and the

opposed 'No'. Have all voted who wished? The Clerk willtake the record. On this question, there are 120 '.Yeas'''

' and no 'Nays' and the House concurs in Senate Amendment Num

ber One, Number Two to House Bill 2732. 2662. 2662. The

Uentlemanxxfrom Peoria, Mr. Lauterbach.''

Wilbur H. Lauterbachz ''Mr. Speaker.'Members of the House,

House Bill 2662 amends 'The Fish Code' changing from anegative to a positive legislation 'to make it easier forthe public to read and understand

. These senate Amendments

simply correct the spelling of many words that were mis-spelled and these amendments are also' clean up measures,al1 of which are requested by the Department of Conserva-tion. I would appreciate your support in concurring withthe Senate amendments.

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Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Is there discussion? Can we have a

little order in the chamber, please, we're on final action

on these matters. All right, we'll just wait a little bit.

All right, the question is shall the House concur in Senate

Amendment Number One to House Bill 2662. The gentleman

from Macon, Mr. Alsup-''

John W. Alsup: ''May. I ask the s/onsor a question?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nHe indicates hedll yieldo''

John W. Alsup: ''Now, we have passed and I understand it the

Governor has signed into 1aw a rate for those ôf over 65

of $.50 for a fishing license, which was the law, and this

session a rate of $1.0: fou hunting license, only for those

over 65 and which does not include a deer permit. Now, ex-

actly what does this bill do in regard to the cost of lic-

ense for hunting and fishing for those over 657.,

William H. Lauterbach: ''These amendments this amendment has

nothing to do with that part of the bill. These are simply

corrective' matters in which the words have been consider-

ably misspelled, and this corrects the spelling in this

bill. It does not change any of the bill itself.''

John W. Alsup: ''And there is no increase or decrease eithera''

William H. Lauterbach: HNone whatsoever. If you eheck with

the amendment on your desk, it's quite clearly written

there, it's #st a few words that are misspelled.'.

John W. Alsup: ''Well, as you know nobody chçcked the amend-

ments on your desk anymore. We've got to do something abou

that first thing process, so we have to depend upon the

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word of the people and I think you're an honorable mane

dop't question what youfte saying, I just wanted to know,

a point of information.''

wllliam H. Lauterbach: ''As an example. it.says on page 14,

line 15. by striking 'roccus' r-o-c-c-u-s and inserting

in lieu thereof the correct spelling 'm-o-r-e-n-e' n'ow#

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' just what that means, I am not sure eithere but this iscorrecting the spelling as it is desired by the Department

of conservation.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there further discussion? The

question is shall the House concur in Senate Amendment Num

ber one to House Bill 26622 All those in favor will vote

'Yeas' and the opposed 'No'. Have a1l voted who wished?

The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there

are l40 'Yeas' and no 'Nays' and the. House concurs. in the

mb to House Bill 266*2amendment. senate Amendment Nu er Two .

The gentleman from Peoria, Mr. Lauterbach-''

William H. .rauterbach: ''Senate Amendment Number T-o does the

' same thing, only on page l8: line 14, it strikes.certain

numbers such as '2.19, and inserting in lieu thereof '3.19.

'In other words, this is again corr'ective legislation .that

that there were errors made in the preparation of this bill

I again ask concurrence in Senate Amendment Number Two to

House Bill 2662.'.

Hon. W. Robèrt Blair: ''Discussion? The question is shall the

House concur in Senate Amendment Number Two to House Bill

2662? All those in favor will vote 'Yeas' and the opposed

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'No'. Have al1 voted who wished? The Clerk will take the

record. On this question, there are l40 'Yeas' and no

lNays' and the House concurs in Senate Amendment Number

Two. House Bill 2663, the gentleman from Peoria, Mr.

Lauterbach, with regard to Senate Amendment Number One.''

William H. Lauterbach: 1'Mr. Speaker, Members of the House,

House Bill 2663 amends 'The Game Code' in the same manner

as I explained 'Th: Fish Code' and again we have Senate#

Amendment Number One with an entire page here correcting

spelling of words, such as otherwives, which was supposed

to be otherwise, and striking foe and inserting of, in othe

words, to ccmplete the bill with words that have been mis-

spelled and this is the reason for Senate Amendmqnt Number

One. I would appreciatù your support in the concurrence of

the Senate Amendment.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Purther d'iscuasion? The question is

shall the House concur in Senate Amendment Number One' to

House Bil'l 2663? A1l those in favor will vote 'Yeas' and

the opposed 'No'. Have a11 voted who wished? The Clerk

will take the record. On this question. there are 137

'Yeas' and no 'Niys' and the Hcuse cancurs in Senate Amend-

ment Number One. Senate' Amendment Number Two. The gentle-

man from Peoria, Mr. Lauterbach.'' '

William H. Lauterbach: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House,

again Senate Amendment Number Teo amends 'House Bill 2663

in which the words again are corrected in any, down, game

animals and inùerting in lieu thereof mammals and inserting

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in lieu of animals mammals and in other words it is again

correcbive legislation to. bring us in line with the require

ments of the Department of Conservation. Again, I would '

request your ccncurrence with this senate Amendment Number

Two to 2663.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: HThe question is shall the the House

concur in Senate Xmendment Number Two to House Bill 26632

All those in favor Fill vote 'Yeas' and the opposed 'No'.

Have al1 voted who wished? The Clerk will take the record.

on this question, there are 13O 'Yeas' and 1 'Nay' and the

House concurs in senate Amendment Number Two. 1508. The

g'entleman from Johnson, Mr. Mcccrmick.''

L. Mccormick: ''Thank you.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gen'tleman from Johnson, Mr. Mc-

cormick, you're readinq that editorial. . .-

C. L. Mccormick: ''I'm sorry, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and GentleL

men of the House, on House Bill 1508, the bill didnft pass

the Hous:xon tie consent cou'nter on the county clerks' bill

makes senate Amendment Number one makes a change pn page 2

by striking lines 23 and 24 and inserting in lieu thereof

'of the county treasurer monthly, by the 10th of the Ponth,

all fees and incomes of the county' has to be turned in by

that time. I know of no objection to this bill and I would

therefore move for concu/rence-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? Th: question is shall the

qHouse concur in Senate Amendment kumber One to House Bill

1508. Al1 those in fa/or will vote 'Yeas' and the opposed

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'No'. Have al1 voted who wished? The Clerk will take the

record. Berman 'Yeas'. On this question, there are l38

dYeas' and l 'Nay' and the House concurs in the Senate A-

mendment Number One. Senate Amendment Number Two. The

gentleman from Jchnson, Mr. Mccormick.''

C. L. Mccormick: HAmendment Number Tuo, Mr. Speaker, simply

replaces the date. for the act Eo become effective to Dec-

ember 1971, and move its adoption or concurrence-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? The question is shallthe House concur in Senate Amendment Number Twd to House

Bill 1508. All those in favor will vote 'Yeas' and the

opposed 'No'. Have al1 voted who wished? The Clerk will

take the record. On this question, there are 14O 'Yeas',

no 'Nays' Shaw 'Yeas' and the House concurs in Senate# # #

Amendment Number Two. Senate Amendment Number Three, the

gentleman from Johnson, Mr. Mccormick-''

' C. L. Mccormick: ''Ah, Senate Amendment Number Three, is that

% k r?''number Tw now, Mr. spea e

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Three.''

c. L. Mccormick: ''Three, well, .I've slipped a card some-

where, because I don't have it.w

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''We11. we can go on to 1509 and work

our way back to Three if you'd like?''

C. L. Mccormick: ''I'd appreciate it if you could take 1510

and l2, 1.11 have to run that amendment down, I thought I

had all of them.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Al1 right, a11 right, al1 right, all

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right. We'll go to, the Clerk has it up here, he cpn read

it.q

c. L. Mccormick: ''We1l, I think, read 'it and see if they

won't aceept that. Here it is right herc ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Ah . . .''

C. L. Mccormick: HThank you, Art. On 1509, on page 1, iine

14 by striking the word 'elective' and on page 1, line 15

by striking the word 'the first andf.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''All'right.. .''

L. Mccormick: nIs there any objectiona''Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''We11, wait e. minute. The Clerk ad-

vises that ycu were discussion Amendment to 1509 and we're

on three to 1508.'.

Mccormickz ''We1l, I'm I'm still wrong, then.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Well, right now .the Clerk's gcing to

read three to 1508.'.

C. L. Mccormick: ''Yes, that's what I want.''

Fredrie B. S/lcke: ''Amendment Number Three. Amend House Bill' 1508 on page 1. line 16 by strikihg the word 'elected' and

on page 1, line 17 by sEriking 'the first and'.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Jchnson, Mr. Mc-

Cormick-''

C. L. Mcccrmick: ''I'd move, is there any objection to it?''

Hon. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman /rom Franklin, Mr. Hart.'

Richard 0. Hartz ''I don't have the Senate Bi11, I have the'House Bill. it's the way I understand this, it just, in-

stead of saying successors elected and qualified, ik just. ..a x#.7'z.x

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says the successors are elected, is that your undqrstanding

C . L . ? ''

c L. Mccormick: ''That's right.'' '

Richard 0. Hart: ''It wouldn't in any'way permit the appoint-

ment of the clerka''

C Mccormick: ''No, I wouldn't be for that at all. yo'u know

' that . ''

Richard 0. Hartz ''Un-huh. Right, a1l right.''

c. L. Mccormick: ''I move for its concurrence, Mr. Speaker.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''All right, any further discussion?

The question is phall the House concur in Senate Amendment

Number Three to House Bill 15087 All those in favor will

vote 'Yeas' and the opposed 'No'. Have a1l voted who

wished? The Clerk will take the record. On this, the gen-

tleman from Franklin, Mr. Hart.''

Richard 0. Hart: ''On a point of parliamentary inquiry, Mr.

speaker, now that this bill has an earlier effective date,

what wouzd be the required number of of votes to pass this '

or any other amendment?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''It would take. .all right. inasmuchu

'as Amendment Number Tco added the'language that the act

would become effective on December 1. 1971, it will be the

chair's ruling that to pass this Amendment Number Three wi1

require l07 vctes. Have a1l voted Qho wished? The Clerk

will takè the record. On this question. there are l49

'Yeas' and no 'Nays' and the amendment is passed with the

required number of votes. Choate, 'Yeas'. 1509.'',.. .. . .q .(' jkx.... ï ::71* e .

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Mccormickz ''Ah no, Mr. speaker.. I would like to. .''# .

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''All'right, 15lQ. Okay?''

c. L. Mccormickz ''Now, ah, . .

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman' from'lohnson, Mr. Mc-

cormick.''

C. L. Mccormick: ''Ah. Speaier, Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, Amendment Number One makes a very small change

on page l by striking lines 19 and 20 inserting in lieu

thereof, the recorder of deeds shall enter upon the duties

of his office on Ehe first working day of the month in

December following his election.' He shall be commissioned

by the Governor. That's Amendment Number One and I move

its adoption-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there discussion? The gentleman

f rom . . . S i.mmons . Cbok, Mr .' Simmons .'''

Arthur E. Simmons: HAre we dealing with Senate Amendment Num'-

ber One to 1510?''

Hon W Rob-/rt Blair: ''Yes.''

Arthur E. Silmnons: ''Wel1, the description doesn't fit the

amendment.''

Hon'. W. Robert Blair: ''You mean the explanation doesn't fit

the amendmenta''

Arthur E. Simmons: ''Yeah.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The Amendment N'amber One that's up

here . . .''

thur E Simmons: ''It's on page 2.''Ar .

Hon . W . Robert Blair : '' Ye ah . line 16 . ''

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' ''And that isn't what he said.''Arthur E. simmons:

Hon. W. Robert Blairz ''The 'gentleman from Johnson, Mr. Mc-

Cormick.'' '

Mdcormick: ''Except that khese hidden facts and I didn't

look them over close enough to see, apparently they've

given me House Amendment. Just take this series out' until '

' I get it straightened out, will you?'f

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''All right-''

Mccormick: ''May I ask the Clerk, how many Senate Amend-

ments do you have?''

Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''To 15102 Three.''

c. L. Mccormick: ''Then the Senate Amendment Number One is the

same as it was on the county clerk where they turn their

fees over by the 10th day of the month following, al1 the

fee income, that's from the recording, so I would pove iti

adoption. I think there's no controversy over it.''

Hon. W. Robert Blairz ''Is there any discussion? The question

is shalr-the House concur in Senate Amendment Number One to

House Bill 1510. All those in favor will vote 'Yeas' and

the opposed 'No'. Have' all voted who wished? The Clerk

'will take the record. On this quêstion, there are l42

'Yeas' and no 'Nays' and this bill having received the re-

quired number of votes is hereby declared passed. Senate

Amendment Number Two.''

C. L. MccorMick: ''Number Tuo, Mr. Speaker, is the the same

' thing, the mandatory act becomes effective December 1 1971#

the date of the effect of the act. I move its adoption.''

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''A1l right, a11 those in favor of the

adoption of the amendment say 'Yeas' the opposed 'No'.#

Have al1 voted who wished? The Clerk will take the record.

On this question, there are 144 'Yeas' and no 'Naysf and

Senate Amendment Number Two is adopted. Now, Senate Amend-

ment Number Three.''

C. L. Mccormick: ''Now. Senate Amendment Number Three. . a''

Hoh. W. Robert Blairz ''Mr. Mccormick.''

C. L. Mccormick: ''Mr. Speaker, is simply sets the program up

like it is now, where the County Clerk is an ex officio in

couniy under 60,000 and of course you have the separate

recorder in counties over 60,000. I move the concurrence

in mnendment Number Three.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there discussion? The gentleman

from Cook, Mr. Shea.n

Gerald W. Shea: ''Will the sponsor yield for a question?''

C. L. Mcclrmick: 'lYes, sir.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He indicates he will.''

Gerald W. Shea: ''C. L., my digest indicates that these this

series of bills regarding counties not applicable on 'home

rule units, is that the way they now reada''

i k ''We1l that's that's' true. Ah that isC. L. Mccorm c : . ,

true.'' '

Gerald W. Shea: ''A1l right, thank ycu.''

C. L. Mccormick: ''You're welcome.''

Hop'. W. Robert Blair: ''Xny further discussion? The question

is shall the Höuse coneur in Senate Amendment Number Three

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to House Bill 1510? All those in favor will vote 'Yeas'

and thè opposed 'NO'. This is final action and a provision

has been put on that the bill will become effective on

December 1971 and will require 107 vqtes. A11 those in

f avor will vote ' Yeas ' and the opposed ' No f . Have al1

voted who wished? The Clerk will take the record . Un thisestion there ar' e 145 ' Yeas ' and no ' Nays ' and the Housequ , .

concurs in Senate Amendment Number Three. House Bili 1512.1

L. Mccormick: ''Ah Mr. Speaker, Amendment Number One sets#

a date to become effective December 1, 1971 and I'd move

concurrence.''

Honf W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? All those in favor of the

House concurring in Senate Amendment Number One to House

Bill 1512 will vote 'Yeas', Ehe opposed 'Nc'. Have al1

voted who wished? The Clerk will take the record. On this

question, there are. .the gentleman from Cook, Mr. Sheaf''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Mr. Speaker, a parliamentary inquiry, if I

Might. TXese bi' l1s originaliy passed the House had no needto have more than 89 votes. They. were amended ovqr in the

senate with an earlier effective date and I raised the

question does the amen*œ nt from the Senate, or does the

message from the Senate say that they passed the Senate

with a three-fifths vote? Ifm just curious how we do this

because this will be final action. and unless the message

from the senate states that and we certify from the House

that they passed with that majority, I don't know how theycan be effective earlieb-''

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: f'We11, there's no, there's nothing

on the message from the Senate that would indicate that

they passed the bills out with a three-fifths vote and

that's beyond the control of the ChH r, but the our taking

action on the bill in the form that it is from the Senate

will require l07 votes since it iy final action and pass-

age on the bill and that provision is on there-''

Gerald W. Shea: ''We11, this is, I think. the point of my

inquiry that we are passing amendments and our records

wiàl indicate that they passed by a three-fifths vote or

107.,,

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''AS far as the House action is concern-

ed, that is correct.''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Now, do we have any indication of what the

Senate did on these bills or I'm I'm fearful and I know

how important these are to Representative Mccormick and

some of our downstate counties and I just wonder if there

is some Fay that we ean get these straightened out, because

I'd hate to see these bills come back on a constitutional

Vrocndz'

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''We1l, & would suggest that that would

be an appropriate question to put to the President of the

Senate by scmebody over in that chamber, and I suggest you

convey your request to him or to the Secretary of the Sen-

ate and if they need to do something, I am sure that we can

undo something that we haie done here by reconsidering,

sending them back for the action: but that ought to be4 a.. .' & ,$ t. ru ) ..4 :% :

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checked on. The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Shea.''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Might I suggest that we hold them in this

chamher while we' do check rather than qet them back to the

Senate.''

Hon. W. Robert Blairz ''Al1 right, we'll take them out of the

record now while that matter is being cleared. For what

purpose does the gentleman from Logan, Mr. Madigan, rise?''

Edward R. Madigahz ''Ah Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen#

of the House, in the interest of conserving some time of

the House, and particularly the time of the members of the

House Revenue Committee and I understandqwith the agreement

of b0th the Democrat and Republican membership. I'd like to

move to suspend the provisions of Rule 72 for thç purpose

of discharging from the House Revenue Committee, Senate

Bills 1244 through 1251 for the purpose of placing them pn

the calendar on the order of Fecond reading-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Al1 right, the gentleman has moued to

suspend the 'provisions of Rule 79, ah, in order that he

may discharge the committee of the bills to which he re-

ferred. Is there any objection? Question. The gentleman

from Cook, Mr. Mpragos.''

Samuel C. Maragos: ''Mr. Madigan, do any of these bills, what

do the Senate Amendments do to these 'bills, if you know off

hand?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nThe gentleman from. Logan, Mr. Madigan.'

W di an: ''The'amendments adopted to the bills inEd ard R. Ma g

the Senate were amendments requested by Mr. Ives, the

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Superintendent of the Rules and Regulations Division of the

Department of Revenue. One amendment wculd make the bills

more capable of being administered, the other amendments

would provide that the revenue from the bills would be gen-

ated a year quicker than otherwise would have been as theer

bills were originally drafted.''

Samuel C. Maragos: ''Okay.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nAll right, is there any other objectio ?Is the leave given then? Al1 right, the bills will be dis-

cha'rged and placed cn the order of second reading: second

. day. Well. we'll come back to those bills when they are

brought down so that they can be read a second time. 10-,

now with leave of the House, back to concurrences: House

Bill 1088. The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Telcser.''

Arthur A. Telcser: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, #'ou may recall that House Bill 1088 was one of a

series of bills offered to the legislature by the: Spanish

Speaking Peoples Study Commission. The bill provided that

the Secretary of State may give driver's license examina-

tions in Spanish. The Senate offered and adopted an amend-

ment which cl rified the lantuage on two points. One, itprovided that the signs in English 'would still have the

English words on those signs in the examination and also

provided that the Secretary of State at his discretion coul

give the examination in languages other than Spanish . Mr.

speaker, I now move that the House do concur in Senate Amen -

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Discussion? The question is shall the

House concur in Senate Amendment Number One to House Bill

1088. A11 those'in favor will vote 'Yeas' and the opposed

'No'. Have all voted who wished? The Clerk will take the

record. On this question, there are 133 fYeas' and no

'Nays' and the House concurs in Senate Amendment Number One

to House Bill 1088. House Bill 783. The gentleman from' Dupage, Mr. Philip.''

James Pate Philip: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House. the original House Bill 783 amends 'The Illinois

Highway Code' and .abolishes township road commissicners

under five miles of roads, and what it provided was that

the county superintendent of roads would take over the

supervision of those miles in each respective township.

What the Senate Amendment doqs is provide that the township

ko ard of auditors will contracE with a city or municipality

or the county road commissioner, and I move that the House

do concur-on'senate Amendment Number One .''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there any discussion? The gentlema

from St. Clair, Mr. Krause.''

James G. Krause: ''Wculd the gentleman yield?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''He indicates he wi1l.''

James Pate Philip: ''Representative, yes; I wil1.''James G. Krause: ''Representative Philip, what do you mean by

contract, that the Board of Auditors will'contract with

Ehe municipalities?''

James Pate Philip: ''Al1 right, hypothetically, if a township

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road commissioner had less than five miles of road, he woul

be abolished. All right, there may be two miles left,/three miles left.. It would leaveit up to the town BoardJ

of Auditors who would be responsible for the upkeep of thos

two or three miles. Possibly they could contract with the

large municipalities to take care of those, they could do

it with private contractors, they could do it with the

County Road Commissioner. It would leave it up to their

prerogative, that's what it does.''

James G. Krause: ''Yeah, but if the township road commissioner

b lished and part of the roads are within the town, *is a o

how is the county road going to contract? Theyfre either

going to give those roads to the to the town to the city

or they're going to give them to the county, whichever

portion they decide to do. How are they going to contrack

for this, how are they going to pay, how are they going to

levy even if there's not a road commissioner?''

James Pate philip: ''Well, I that's a good question. I would

assume that it would come out of the township fund.''

James G. Krause: ''Wil1 you hold this and let's talk about

this?''

James Pate Philip: nSure. Sure. Su're.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any further diseussion? Oh, take it

out of the record. A11 right, with leave of the House,

we' 11 go back that so that we can read a'second time those

'bills that were placed on the calendar on the order of

second reading. Yes, read the bills.''

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Fredric B. Selcke: ''senate Bill 1244. An act in relation to

tax upon the privilege of using rented or leased tangible

personal property. Second reading of the bill. No com-

mittee amendments.''

Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Any amendments from the floor? Third

reading-''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''senate Bill 1245. An act in relation to

tax upon persons engaged in the business of renting or

leasing tangible personal property. Second reading of the

bill. No committee amendments- ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any amendments from the floor? Third

reading-''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1246. An act to amend sec-

tion 6 of the 'Retailers' Occupation Tax Act'. Second

reading of the bill. No compittee amendments.n

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any amendtents. from the flcor? Third

reading.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1247. An act to amend 'The

Use Tax Act'. Second reading of the bill. No committee

amendments.''

Hon. W. Robert Blai<t ''Any amendments from the floor? Third

reading.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''senate Bill 1248. Xn act to amend Sec-

tion 20 of 'The Service Use Tax Act'. Second reading of

the bill. No committee amçndments. ''

Hon.' W. Robert Blair: ''Any amendments from the floor? Third

reading.''

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Fredric B. Selcke: HSenate Bill 1249. An act to amend Sec-

tion 20 of 'The Service Occupation Tax Act' Second read-

ing of the bill. No committee amendments.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any amendments from the floor? Third

reading.''

Fredric B. Selcke: usenate Bill l25t. An act to amend 'The

Illinois Municipal Code' Second reading of the bill. No' committee amendments-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any amendments from the floor? Third

reading.''

Fredric B. Selckez ''Senate Bill 1251. An act to amend an

act to revise the 1aw in relation to counties. Second

reading of the bill. No ccmmittee amendments.''

Hon. W. Robeft Blair: ''Any amendments from the floor? Third

reading. With leave of the House, we'll go to Senate Bills

second. Senate Bill 1271.'.

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1271. An act to amend 'The

Municipal' Code'. second reading of the bill. No committee

amendments.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Dupage, Mr. Red-

mond . ''

William A. Redmond: ''l believe, I bèlieve there's an amend-

ment on 1271 on the desk.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''All right, read the amendment.''

Fredric B. Selckez ''Amendment Number One, Redmond. Amend

senate Bill 1271 on page'l, by striking line 13 and in-

serting in lieu thereof the following: and so forth-''

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Hon. W. Robert Blairt ''The gentleman from Dupage. Mr. Red-

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William A. Redmond: ''Mr. Speaker and.Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, senate Bill 1271 amends 'The. Municipal Code' by

removing the third member of a water commission, that pre-

viously was a judicial appointment, but there was no pro-vision made for a'ny other way to appoint them

. This amend-

ment provides that he will be appointed by the Chairman of

the County Board with the consent of the board, consistent

with the previous action taken in the legislature in these

matters, and I move the adoption of the amendment. ''

Hon. W. Robert Blairz ''Any discussion? The gentleman from

cook, Mr. Yourell.''

Harry Yourell: HWould the genileman yield to a questiol,Please?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: '.He indicates he wi1l.''

Harry Yourell: '1Bil1, in the in home rule counties, would

the chiefxexecutive of tba t county now still have the ap-r

pointive power now for those vacancies?''

William A. Redmond: ''I believe so. This follows the same

method of appointment that we have for other local govern-

ments, whatever, see. it provided for judicial appointment

and we removed that and it left two member water commis-

sion, and this is the same as the other appointments and I

believe that.

JHcn. W. Robert Blair: ''Any further dzscussion? The gentleman

f rom cook , Mr . sinunons .'''

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Arthur E. Simmons: ''Is this a House amendment a floor amend-

ment or a committee amendmentr'

William A. Redmond: ''F1oor.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Floor. All right, all those in favor

of the adoption of the amendment say 'Yeas' the opposed. '

'No' the 'Yeas' have it and the am' endment is adopted. ' Are#

there further amendments? Thiqrd reading . 1285...

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1285. A bill for an act to

amend '.The Election Code'. Second reading of the bill.

N& committee amendments.'.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any amendments from the floor?''

Fredric B. selcke: ''Ameniqtent Number One, Collins. Amend

Senate Bill 1285 on page 1, lines 1 and 9 by inserting im-

mediately after the word 'Sections' the following: '2-4.2

and on page l by inserting immediately after line 13 the

followin'g: 'Section 2-4. The Governor, Lieutenant Gover-

nor, -Attorney General, and so forth.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Phil

Collins-''

Philip W. Collins: ''Ah. Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of,

the House, the Constitution of 1970 establishes the order

of gubernatorlal succession as theeGoverncr, LieutenantGovernor, Attorney General, Secretary of State and Comp-

troller. Amendment Number One would bring Senate Bill 1285

into compliance with that stipulation or provision. I ask

for support and adoption df the amendment.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: .'A1l right. any further discussion?

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All those in favor of the adoption o'f the amendment say

, 'Yeas'e the opposed 'No', the 'Yeas' have ii and the amend-

ment is adopted. Further ameédments? A11 right, there isan amendment, 'a second amendment

, but it is in conflict wit

the one we just adopted, so, we'll just hold the we'll take

it to, while it's being worked out, we'll leave it on sec-

ond reading. 1297.'' '

Fredric B. Selckq: ''senate Bill 1297. A bill for an act to

amend 'The Illinois Vehicle Code'. Second readinq of the

bill. No committee amendments.''

Hon. W. 'Robert Byairz ''Any amendments from the floor?''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Amendment Number One, Day. Amend Senate

Bill 1297 in the title and in the first sentence of Section

1 by striking 'Sec/ion 3-808' and inserting in lieu thereof

'section 3-808 and 8-102'7 and so forth .''

Hon. W. Robert blair: ''The gentleman from Peoria, Mr. Day.''Robert G. Day: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of 'the

Housee this qmendment is the same amendment that we put on

the corresponding House Bill which is now over to the Senat .

The bills are now identical. What the bill does is to

correct an error in the bill that was previously passed .

It does change the seckion number so that the section numbe

of the statute is correct. I move the adoption of the

amendment.'f

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Any discussion? A1l Ahose in favor

o.f the adoption ef the amendment say 'Yeas' the opposed. t

' 'No' the 'Yeas' have it and the amendment is adopted

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there further amendments? Third reading. A11 right, with

leave 'of the House, we'l: go to Senate Bills third reading .

Fredric B. selcke: ''Senate Bill 1054, A bill for an act to

amend 'The School Code'. Third reading of the bill.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Ogle, Mr. Brink-

meier.''

Robert E. Brinkmeier: ''Mr. Sp'eaker, Members of the Hcusey

Senate Bill 1054 would qxtend the deadline for a vote to be

taken for a referendum in the Harlem School District that's

a suburb of Rockford. Recently, they did hold an election

and probably due to misunderstanding on the part of the

voters, it failed by 74 votes. Now, this bill has come

ver f rom the Senate with a '46 and 0 vote and al1 it reallyo

does is extend the deadlfne limitation as far as a refecv '

endum should be held from December 3, ah, from October l

to December 31 and I'd certainly appreciate your support -''

Honk W. Rcbert Blair: ''Is the/e any discussion? A11 right,ve

the question is shall Senate Bill 1054 pass? Al1 those

in favor will vote fYeas' and the opposed 'No' For what

purpose does the gentleman from Cook, Mr. Simmons, rise?''

Arthur E. Simmons: ''lld like to ask the sponsor a question.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''A1l right, since we were close there

on the call. go ahead.''

Arthur E. Simmons: ''Ah, Senate Bill 1054 changes the effect-

ive date to December 3l, 1971 and if it's going to be

effective as of that date, shouldn't the bill have an

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emergency clause to be effective when passed?''

Robert E. Brinkmeier: ''Represen tative, I'm so'rry that I

didnft mention th.at. it does iave that clause on there.

That's amendment three. It will need 107 votes.''

Arthur E. Simmons: ''We1l. 1 don't have that partieular amend-

ment, though -''

Hon. W.' Robert Blair: ''All right, Amendment Number One pro-

. vided that the act take effect upon becoming a law, so

that will require l07 votes. Have al1 voted who wished?

The Clerk will take the record. On this question, there

are l24 lYeas' and no 'Nays' and the bill having received

the constitutional three-fifths is hereby declared passed.

Berman, 'Yeas'. All right, with leave of the House, we'llb back to concurre' nce . A1l right. 783. The gentlemane

f rom Dupage, Mr . Philip . ''

James Pate Philip : ''Yeah . Mr . Speaker and Ladies and Gentle-

men of the House. evidentially the're was some misunderstand

ing exactly i.f Yhe town Board of Auditors had the authority

in regard to levying a tax and providing some type of ser-

vice for roads under five miles. We met out in the ro-

tunda and I think we met with an agreement and I ask that

the House do concur wikh .senate Amlndment Number One to

House Bill 783.'' .

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''A11 right, discussion? Al1 right. the

question is shall the House concur in Senate Amendment

Number One to House Bill 7837 All those in favo r will

vote 'Yeas' and the opposed 'No' Have al1 voted who wish?

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The Clerk will take the record. On this question. there

are l23 'Yeas' and 1 'Nay. and the House concurs in the

senate Amendment Number One to House Bill 783. On the

order of Conference Committee Reports ap/earé House Bill '2967 cn which the Chair recognizes the gentleman from

Whiteside, Mr. Miller.''

Kenneth W. Miller: ''Mr. Speaker and Members of the House,

this is with respect tothe Conference Committee Report on

2867. For the information of the members, wefve had con-

siderable negotiations with the members on various members

of this House and with the Senate with respect to this

problem. Now, this bill. this Conference committee Report

now recommends the adoption of the amendment that was ad-

opted by the Senate with some slight modifications. I

might say this in the way of explanation. the purpose ot

this bill now is to provide for a welfare recipient who

is over age 16 and is physically able to provide that he

can have employment in the public sector. essentiallye andA

it sets up rules and regulations concerning that employment

Now. Mr. Speaker. I'm not going to make a long explanation

for this, the Conference Committee Report, this has been

agreed to by b0th sides of the aisle, according to my under

stand, and so Mr. Speaker, I now move that this House accep

the Conference Committee Report on House Bill 2867.',

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Shea.''

Gerald W. Shea: HMr. Speaker, I've looked on my desk, I don't

seem to find a copy of the Conference Committee Report.''

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''For what purpose does the gentleman

from McHenry, Mr. Hanahan, rise?''

Thomas J. Hanahan: ''Mr. Speaker. parliamentary inquiry. On

a Conference Committee Report such as this which has never

gone through Committee action in neither House nor Senate

because of a new act, and I know that th: conference com-

mittbe report as completed has not been placed on the desk,. wouldn't it be better for the sponsor to participate in

giving the intent and al1 the language in the bill or to

conference committee report out so'that the recordings of

legiâlative intent would be recorded for posterity in case

there's any question, but not having any copies on the desk

and having the sponsor or the spokeshan for the Conference

committee not explain a11 this, there may be some loss of

legislative intent.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Whiteside, Mr.

Shea, ah. Mr. Miller.''

Kenneth W. iiller:' %'Ah, Mr. Speaker, perhaps I can make so>

remarks that will enlighten the membership. A week ago

there was a conference committee report placed on every

mb ' desk Now that report was not adopted because.me erS . g

there were members who' desired chahges in it. And 1'11 be

glad now if you take those committee reports that were

placed on your desk last week and I can tell you exactly

what the changes are if that is what Mr. shea would like or

Mr. Hanahan. Theyere Very simple if you have that. On

page 4, line l9, the following words are deleted, 'the

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non-profit community agencies and institutions performing

health and welfare functions'. On page 5. lines 11 and

part of 12 are deleted, and the words that are dekted are

on page 5, 'civic and non-profit community agencies and

institutions performing health or welfare functions', and

also on page 5, line 31, the following words are deleted,

'with institutions performing'' and on the top of page 6,

- -'hea1th or welfare functions'. On the bottom of page 6

in line 35, the word 'not' is deleted. In a1l other re-

spects, the report that was placed on your desk last week

is correct. Now, the essential parts of this, Mr. Speaker,

are that this does authorize the employment in those cases

where a welfare recipient is able bodied and safeguards are

built into this, it does permit those .public recipients

who are able bodied to be put on a training program and to

h tain specified restricted areas in the publicwork i cer

sector. The effect of the ameneaent is that these changes

that I jpst talked about. the effect of it is that they

will not be permitted to work in non-profit organizations.

In other words, that has been deleted. I hope that that is

a satisfactory explanation. Now: I'd like to renew my

jj ' 9tmot on, Mr. Speaker.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook , Mr. Mann.''

Robert E. Mann: uAh Mr. Speaker, Members of the House, I#

just want to refresh the membership. This bill in its

original form was presentèd to us on the morning of June

3O, having been completed and changed on the Senate side

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and it came back to us for concurrehce. Ak that time, I

asked that no action be taken and the House' agreed so that

we might hàve an opportunity to look at the bill. I don't

Rnow what I will oppose the bill or if that's a bad bill,

but Kenny, I just got ahold of the amendment for the first

time. It deals with a matter that this House has been

wrestling with a1l session, that is somd kind of a viable

program for the poor and I would appreciate it very much if

you would give me the opportunity to take a look at the

thing in some detail. I know Ehat we%re going to be here

at least tomorrowe and I'd appreciate that opportunity,

rather than have you force it through here on an issue of

this importance.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair:' ''The gentleman from McHenry, Mr. Han-

ahan. Was there a question of the sponsor?''

Kenneth W. Miller: HAh yes, sir: . .''#

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''A11 right, the gentleman indicatesiefll answer-''

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. Kenneth W. Miller: ''Ah, Representative Mann, this matter has

been kicked around for some time as you know. We've dis-

cussed this several tiles as you know and this is the ques-

tion of adopting a Conference Committee Repori and I'd

like to proceed with if now, with y'our indulgence, please.

I think maybe Representative Hanahan might also offer scme

comments in this regard-''

Robert E. Mann: ''Well, Mr. Speaker: with all due respect to

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another distinguished colleague, Representative Hanahan.

ah the issue may have been kicked around but I don't#

think many of us have had the opportunity to look at it

in any depth and we're dealing now with an employment pro-

iram for all the poor in the State of Illinois, and I wouldthink that a1l of us before we vote on this measures, we're

fvoting fcr a bill, it may be a conf erence report, butthis.

. )is final action. All I'm asking is that we have an oppor-

tunity to look at it. We're npt going to be concluding at

the end of the day and I khink that that's a reasonable

request, Mr. Speaker, and I certainly would think that the

other members would want Eo look at that, too-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Shea.''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Mr. speake'r, this is an extremely extremely

important piece of legislation. Welve been contacted by.

people from the Governor's office.'wefve looked at this

.proposal and I certainly think that Representative Miller. xM '' wouldn't have any objection to holding this until tomorrow

as we told him we'd give him our support when we worked out

. a11 the problems with it and I'd appreciate it if he' would.'

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman frcm Whitçside, Mr.

Miller . ''

Kenneth W. Miller: ''Ah, Mr. Speaker and Members of the House,

I don't have any wish to proceed with this matter in case

there's some questions on.it. I was of the understanding

. that every member was informed on this. This proposal now

is practically no different than what it was a week ago, bu

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here, 'if they would like,. 1'11 hold it until tomorrow

morning.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''All right, weell tqke, the gentleman

from Cook. Mr. Davis.''

Corneal A. Davis: ''Mr. Speaker.. I certainly don't wish to

deny anyone the r'ight to look at this billa because it is

a very important bill, but I would also like to remind them

that $22 million is involved here in some 10.000 jobs. Lab r

had some objections, folks like Representative Hanahan, andwe went back today and ironed out. al1 of those objections,Ehe protection of the minimum wedge. There's a clause in

here that would prevent them from putting public aid re-

cipients in these private ivstitutions as strike break.ers,

and webve worked very hard on this and but we're skill

going to hold and let them lock it, Mr. Barnes, Mr.

Hanahan and myself, and the gentleman on the other side of

Ehe aislqxwill work very hard, but remember that there are

about $22 million involved and 10.,000 jobsv for public aid

recipients, and it will not be strike breakers.''

Hon.. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman 'from Cook, Mr. Mann.''

Robert E. Mann: ''We11, Mr. Speaker. I certain'y appreciate

the willingness of Representative Miller to hold it over

night and I want to assure my colleatue, Corneal Davis, tha

a1l I want to do is have the opportunity to look at the

measure. Thank you.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''A11 right, we'll take it out of the.. . j

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record. 1512. 1512. The gentleman from' Johnson, Mr.

Mccormick.''

c. L. Mccormick: ''Ah, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House. we're back on 1512 that was mixed up a while

>go on the amendment. Amendment Number One is making the

effective date a mandatory date in 1971, December 1, 1971,

and 'l would move for concurrence in that amendment.''

Hon. W . Robert Blair: 'tls there discussion? The question is

shall the House concur in Senate Amendment Number One to

House Bill 15127 All those in favor will vote 'Yeas' and

the bpposed 'No'. Have all voted who wished? The Clerk

will take the record. On this question, there are l24

' 'Yeas' = d l 'Nayf and the House cohcurs in Senate Amend-

ment Number 0ne to House Bill lSl2. I'm sorry, Amendment

Number Two. Al1 right, senate Amendment Number Three to

House Bill 1512.''

C. L. Mccormick: ''Mr.

Hon. W. Robsrt Bliir: ''The gentleman from Johnson, Mr. Mc-Cormicke''

C. L. Mccormick: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of .the

House, on page 2, line 21 after the word 'Clerk' you. #

add the following, 'an'd Chairman oà the County Board'. I

know of no controversy and I would mGee to concur with

Amendment Number Three, Mr. .''

Hon. W. Rcbert Blair: ''Is there any discusaion? If not, the

gentleman has moved to' concur with the Senate Amendment

Number Three to House Bill 1512. A1l those in favor will. *TA k ''''x/'?<;x$'o>.<)) G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Yi'. j.tl '4. ', .(',#jr b ) s v A. a . s o e 1 u u 1 sl o I s. h =. .. . ,?. . -ou sc o p- R sea ssc lq 'r A.'r , v sss ,. o .î t( $'' * *

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signify by voting 'Yeas' the opposed by voting 'No'. and#

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this kill take 107 votes. This is Amendment Number Three.

Have a11 voted who wished? The Clprk will take the record. '

On this question, the 'Yeas' are 126. Campbell, 'Yeas',

the 'Nays' are 6 and the House concurs with Senate Amend-

ment Number Three to House Bill 1512 with a 60% majoriiy.''

C. L. Mccormick: ''ï believe that's al1 the amendments, isn't

Mr. clerk?''

Hon. W. Kbert Blair: ''Yes, it is, Mr. Mccormick. Record

Representative Thompson as voting 'Yeas'. Do you wish to

proceed with 1509, Representative Mccormick?''

C. L. Mccormick: ''Yes, sir.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''On the order of concurrence. appears

House Bill 1509 on which th8 gentleman from Johnson, Re-

presentative Mccormick is pecognized with regard to Amend-

. ment Number One.''

C. L. Mccormick: ''Thank you. Mr. Speaker, Amendment Number

One to Hyuse Bill 1509, on #age 2. line 22, by striking

22 and -3 and inserting in lieu thereof, 'the county

treasurer monthly by the tenth of the month following' a1l

fees and then pericd the coroner.' In other words, a11 fees

to be turned into the county treasurer. I would move con-

currence in that.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is Yhere any discussion? The gentle-

man from.Bureau, Representative Barry.''

Tobias Barry: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, I've been waitihg for this biil, as the sponscr know ,

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to suggest non-concurrence for the reason for several rea-

sons, one of which is the most important, I'd like to see

it in a conference committee to be amended to a consider-

able degree and I would ask the sponsor at the outset if

he would be agreeable to that and if he does not so agree,

I would acknowledge that he has a good reason. Would you

agree to going to a conference committee on this, because

I think you might know my purpose?''

C. L. Mccormick: ''I know your purpose, Representative, and

I understand it4 but I agreed for the Coroner's Association

to ask for concurrence like it is and would have to do

that . ''

Tobias Barry: ''Then if I may be heard, Mr. Speaker?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: uProceed, sir.''

Tobias Barry: ''A11 right. This bill Ladies and Gentlemen of

the Hcuse, verv simplv mandatês to our county boards to a1l

of.our downstate counties that they proceed to elect'cor-

oners frcm now on as indicated as an alternative in our

new constitution and in fact suggests a minimum pay of

$8,500.00 per year. House Bill 1509, I might tell you. was

never sent to the Constitutional Implementatioh Committee,

and yet the Constitutional Convenéion was so closely divide

on the issue that they specifically #rovided for a means

of either the legislature or the county boards to abolish

the office. I remind you again, this Xill mandates that a

coroner shall be elected from now on at a minimum pay rate

. and under the new constitution, no officer can be paid from

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fees and thus we must revert to the present law on eounty

officer's salaries and the range I should insist that you

listen to is in counties under 14,000 population, the min-

imum salary of $8.500.00 a year.and in counties of 300,000

to 1,000,000, a minimum salary of $16,000.00 a year. Most

counties downstate, small counties can i1l afford this kind

of pay and to pay. a man who is' usually the local undertaker

working a very few hours per year in the case of the smail

county at $8,500.00 a year minimum. This bill if passed.

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is obviously in my opinion premature, because it ties the

hands of the county boards in many of the counties khat

I've known who would prefer to abandon the office of cor-

oner. I suggest a conference committee where we might pro-

pose a permissive bill to allow the counties to either

mandate or to allow them to join with other counties and

pay them something reasonable, perhaps a per diem, as was

suggested by Ben Blades here in a bill a few weeks ago.

Passage o*f the bill at this time if not amended, would

lock in the coroner's throqghout the State. It should be

sent to a conference committee and in the alternative I

would respectfully suggest we'd be better off passing no

1aw and allow the coroners that are now elected to con-

tinue i office until we get back here and do something de-

cent about I would move for non-concurrence.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there further disçussion? Does the

gentleman from Johnscn wish to close the debate?''

C. L. Mccormick: ''We1l, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of

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the House, these this bill is just one of a series of billson cou'nty officers. I think everybody here knows what they

want to do about it and I would think that the vote would

tell the tale.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman has moved that the House

concur with Senate Amendment.Number one to House Bi1 .

All those in favor of concurrence signify by voting 'Yeas'. #

the opposed by voting 'No'. The gentleman from Lake, Re-

presentative Murphy, to.explain his vote-''

W. J. Murphy: ''Noe I understood Representative Barry to non-

concur, so I wanted to be.

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Wel1, Representative Mccormick made

a prior motion, Representative Murphy.''

W J Murphy: l'0h his motion doesnft' supercede?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: .''No, sir. The question is to concur.

Have al1 voted who wished? Take the record. On this quei-tion, the 'Yeas' are 29, the 'Nays' are 76 and the House

kefuses &o concur to Senate Amendment Number One to House

Bill 1509. On the order of concurrence appears House Bill

1509 on which the House 'recognizes on which purpose the

gentleman from Johnson, Representative Mccormick is' recog-

nized relative to Senate Amendment Number Two..''

c. L. Mccormick: 11Mr. Speaker, Senate Amendment Number Two

sets the mandatory date, mean. Dedember 1971 and I

would move concurrence.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there any objection? Discussion?The gentleman has moved' the House concur with Senate Amend-

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ment Number Two to House Bill 1509. A1l those in favor

of concurrence signify by voting 'Yeas' the opposed by#

voking 'No'. Have a11 voted who wished? Take the record .

on this question, the 'Yeas' are . . .''

W. J. Murphy: ''The green hornet strikes again.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: .''On this question, the 'Yeas' are 58,

the fNays' are 1 and the House refuses to concur with Sen-

ate Amendment Number Twc to House Bill 1509. On the order

of côncurrence appears House Bill 1509 for which purpose

the gentleman from Johnson, Representative Mccormick is

recognized relative to Senate Bill Number Three, Senate

Amendment Number Three.''

C. L. Mccormick: ''We1l, Mr. Speaker, I would think that the

way the adendments are going right now, that it might be

best for us to ask for a conference committee or do we have

to wait until they're notifieda''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''We would have to refuse to concur with

Senate Amendment Number Three Representative Mccormick,#

so we should take a roll cal1.'''

C. L. Mccormick: ''All right. will you refused to concur in

two of them, you might as well do it on the third one .

Same roll ca1l.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman has moved the House do

not concur with Senate Amendment Number Three to House

Bill 1509. A11 those in favor of non-eoncurrence signify

by saying 'Yeas', the opposed 'No% the House refuses to

concur with senate Amendment Number Three to House Bill 15O .

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dn the order of concurrences, appçars House Bill 2874, for

which purpose the gentleman from Kane, Representative

Schoeberlein is recognized.''

Allen L. Schoeberlein; ''Ah Mr. Speaker, and Ladies and#

Gentlemen of the House. I'm losing my voice today. This

particular bill is a bill that cale out of the Labor Com-

mission and has been amended in the Senate. Now. two amend

ments have been adopted by the Senate and I concur in the

second, but not in the first. The amendment number one.*

Amendment Number One on 2874 in the Senate on page 4 by

adding after line 6 thefollowing: 'Section 7. This act

does not apply within the jurisdiction of any home ruleunit'. Now, this is a statewide legislation on the c'om-

mission heard that many witnesses we found that many of the

violations were right in the home rule city or county and

I for one do not concur in this particular amendment. I'm

quite sure Representative Hanahan also has something to

say on the subject.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there further discussion? The

gentleman from McHenry, Representative Hanahanm''

Thomas J. Hanahan: ''A parliaMentary inquiry. Did the gentle-

man make a motion to non-concur?d''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Representative Schoeberlein, did you

put a motion to non-concur?''

Allen L. Schoeberlein: ''I do make that motion.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The'gentleman has made a motion that

the House do non-concur with Senate Amendment Number One to

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House Bill 2874.''

Thomas J. Hanahan: ''We11, Mr. Speaker and Members of the

House, I agree With the gentleman in his non-concurrence

motion, that when we're talking about contract labor agen-

cies, we're talking about specifically problems in large

cities that could be home rule units. The biggest problem

that we've had is that the contract labor agencies have

prevailpd geherally in areas that need this kind of legis-

lation, sc I join with the gentleman frcm Kane, in oppos-

ing Amendment N'lmher One to House Bill 2874, and hope that

in a conference committee that we could agree to delete

senate Amendment Number One to House Bill 2874..:

Hon. W. Robert Blair: HIs there further discussion? If not,

the gentleman has moved that the House do not concur with

Senate Amendment Number One to House Bill 2874. A1l thope

in favor of non-concurrence signify by saying 'Yeas', the

opposed 'No% the House refuses to concur with Senate' Amend

ment Number'one to House Bill 2874.. On the order of con-

currences, appears House Bill 2874 for which the gentleman#

frcm Kane, Representative Schoeberlein is recognized', re-

lative to Senatq Amendment Number Tw0.''

Allen L. Schoeberlein: ''Mt. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of

the House, Sen ate Amendment Number Tuo deletes several

lines that do not impair the act and I would move in con-

currence on Senate Bill Npmber Two in thè House.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there any discussion? The gentle-

man has moved Yhat the House concur with Senate Amendment

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Number Two to House Bill 2874. A11 those in favor of con-

currence signify by voting 'Yeas', the opposed by voting

'No'. Have al1 voted who wished? Take the record. On

this 'question, the 'Yeas' are 122, tie lNays' are 1,

Cox, 'Yeas' and the House concurs with Senate Amendment#

Number T-o to Hcuse Bill 2874. On the order of consxder-

ation postponed appears senate Bill 773 fQr which purpose

the gentleman from Cook Representative Fleck is recog-#

nized . ''

charles J. Fleck: '.l wish to move Senate Bill 773 to third

reading.''

Han.W. Robert Blair: ''It's been read a third time, Repres-

entative Fleck-''

Charles J. Fleck: ''Please. ..'

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''It's on third reading right now.''

Charles J. Fleckz ''We1l, Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen'

of the House, Senate Bill 773 was a group of administration

bills that dealt with the licensing of professions in the

state of Illinois. As you recall, I stated that there were

two bills that were placed on consideration postponed con-

'sideration. This bill, senate Bill 773, which deals with

the licensing of teachers, and .in essence,.the bill pro-

vides that determining good character before the license

is given, any person convicted of é felony that this would

not be à bar but would just be merely taken into consider-

ation before the licensing would be given. I ask the

support nf the Hcuse in passing this bill.''

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentlemàn from Cook, Representa-

tive William Walsh.''

William D. Walsh: ''Mr. Speaker, Members of the Housee when

this bill was heard the' last time, the point was brought

out that in the other licensing arrangements under the

Department of Registration and Regulation and under Ehe

Insurance Departzent, the act of a felony, the conviction

of a felony was by statute a bar from licensing. Unlike

these licensing requirements, under the school Code, a

commission of a felony is not a bar to certification at all

so this bill in effect does nothipg except clutter up the

statutes and I suggest to you that you vote 'No' again on

this bill-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is therë further discussion? Does the

entleman wish to clpse tie , debate? ''g

Charles J. Fleck : ''Wel1, Mr . Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen

of the House, I don't see the great hang up that should be

involved with this bill. It' does not say that anyone con-

victed of a felony must be licensed to teach school in the

Statp, it merely says that a person donvicted of a felony

Fho applies, this may be taken into consideration of çon-

sidering good character and morals. Ncw, tq determine what

a felony is, 1et me point out a few provisions of the

Criminal Code which are felonies and see a little ludicrouà

For example, dueling in the State of Illinois happens to

be a felony, punishable in a penitentiary from one to five

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deception and pandering and another. And I think a person

who might be convicted of one of these rather ludicrcus

crimes should have a right to teaéh if he shows otherwise '

good, moral character. Now. it sèems to me in view of some

of the teachers that are teaching school in this state, tha

the Mere fact that a person'has been convicted of a felony

and shows good moral character otherwise,. that he should

not be barred. Other teaehers, I think. who are in the

radical extreme, and I don't particularly consider radicals

a bad feature in the teaching institution, because it's

merely the conservatism of tomorrow injected in today'saffairs, but in view of the fact how some teachers react

and what they teach and what they espouse and what they

philosophize. I do not see where a person who might.b; in

a penitentiary wouldn't héve an opportunity to teach and

might be a much better professor. I ask that for the

support of the House.''

Hon. W. Rofert Blair: ''The question is shall Senate Bill773 pass? A1l those in favor w'ill signify by voting 'Yeas'

the opposed by voting 'No'. Have all voted who wished?

The gentleman from Cook, Mr. Wolf to explain his#

Vote . 'ê

Jacob John Wolf: ''Well, Mr. Speaker, Members of the House,

I'm at loss to explain why there aren't more green lights

up there on that board. We folloled the premise that a

man who pays his debt to society is a free citizen once

more, his voting rights are restored, he should be able to

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get employment and as Representative Fleck so ably pointed

out, that this doesn't say that they must hire that in-

dividual, but bdcause a man or a woman has made a mistake

in their live at one time should not be barred from employ-

Ment ana I think that we should have more green lights on

this measure.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: i'The gentleman from cook, Representa-

tive william'Walsh-''

William D. Walsh: ''Wel1 Mr. Speaker and Members of the# . .

House, I I agree completely with what the sponsor of this

bill and what Representative Wolf said.. The point is that

a the commission of a felony is not now a bar from certif-

ieation and never has been a bar as I know to cqrtifica-

tion. The most this bill does is to clutter up the stat-

ute, is entirely unnecessary and there's just no need totion it in the statute, es#ecially since it's been re- -men

' .moved from the other registration requirements. Now', again

' ' solicitR ou'r ' No e vote ''y . .

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Dupage, Representa-

.. , tive schneider, to explain his vote.'' '

J. Glenn Schneider: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To explain my

vote which at this time' is an 'Yeas' vote, which I also

believe is a change from my previou: vote on a tally that

was taken this Spring, I guess my apprehension is that the '

ah act of a felony cculd be interpreted'and could be con-' skrued under the School Code to be a violation of the

Sehool Code as it is presently written. so# in order in

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my mind to be certain that those people that are in the

position of hiring teachers do not misinterpret the School

Code: I think it would be very helpful to have it clearly

stated that a felony should not be a bar to the possibility

of being an educator, so I would like to solicit further

support and more green lights on the board for this bil1.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Representa-- tive Fleck, to explain his vote.''

Charles' J. Fleck: ''We1l, I'm a little confused at what the'main opponents to this bill says is true, that it isn't

a bar now, what's the differenceif this bill passes? I

don't see that this clutters up the statute, I think it

sets out clearly what the prevailing situation might be,

and if thit is the case, why not cleqrly set it out in

black and white letters, it is not necessarily a bar but

something that should be considered and only considered.

And I do not see any great problem that the present situa-

tion with the School Board today.''

Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Have al1 voted who wish? Take the

record. On this question, the 'Yeas' are . . .Representa-

tive Fleck, for what purpos'e do you rise, sir?''

Charles J. Fleck: nIt's so close, I'Z like to poll the absen-

Y C C S e ' '

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Representative Shea, for w hat purpose

do you rise, sir?''

Gerald W. Shea: ''Mr. Speake' r, I'm sorry. I donlt know if my

vote got recorded, I got on late. Am I recorded as voting

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'Yeas' on that bill?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Yes, sir. you are, Representative

Shea. The gentleman has requested a poll of the absentees .

Will the members please be in their seats and the Clerkwill proceed to read the names of the absentees.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Arrigo, Barry. . .''

Hon. Wz Robert Blair: ''Record Representative Arrigo as voting' 'Yeas' ''

Victor A. Arrigo: ''Am I recorded as an 'Yeas' vote?''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''The gentleman is recorded as not voting .''

Victor A'. Arrigo: ''Wç1l. then I am voting 'Yeas'. ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: nRecord the gentleman as voting 'Yeas'.'Fredric B. Selcke: ''Barry, Bartulis, Bluthardt, Boyle, Brad-

ley, Capparelli, Capuzi, Choate. Phil Collins, Conolly.corbett, cox, Craig. W. cunningham. .

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Representative Craig, for what purpose

do you risee sir?''

)n jL It 1 ' ' 11Ro ert Cra g;x . Yeas .'

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Record the gentleman as voting 'Yeas'.'Fredric B. Selcke: ''. oDownes, Duff, Epton. Fary, Fennessey.

rriedland. Garmisa, Granata: Hall, . . .''

Hon. W. Rcbert Blair: ''Representative'Hall: record Repres-entative Hall as voting 'Yeas'.'' '

Fredric B. selcke: ''Hal1, . . . ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Record Representativ,e Granata as vot-

ing 'Yeas' ''

Fredric B. Selcke: nHarpstrite. Henss, Ron Hoffman, Holloway, .''

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: nRepresentative Mcpartlin, for what

purpose do you rise, sirr'

Robert F. Mcpartlin: ''How am I recorded?'' '

Hbn. W. Robert Blair: ''How is the gentlemnn recordeda''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''The gentleman is recorded as not vcting.u

. Robert F. Mcpartlin: ''I vote 'Yeas' ''

' Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Record the gentleman as voting 'Yeas'.

Representative Boyle, okay, Representative Boyle, 'Yeas'#

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Choate, 'Yeas' Barry, .'Yeas' Lechowicz, 'Yeas' Dan#

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O'Brien, 'Yeas', okay, Markert, all right, the Clerk in-

forms me that he would like to proceed with the polling of

the absentees am then we'll come back and put the members

on the rcll call that wish to be.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Holloway/Houde, Hudson, Hyde: Jançzak,Kahoun, Karmazyn, Katz, . .

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Record Representative Katz as voting'

lYeas'. You want a new roll call, Fred? Al1 right, welll

take a new roll call Ladies and Gentlemen. The question

V is shall Senate Bill 773 pass? Al1 those in favor will

signify by voting 'Yeas'f and the opposed by voting 'No'.

.Have a1l voted who wished? Take Ehe record. On this

question: the 'Yeas' are 103, the 'Nays' are 29 and this

bill having received the constitutional majority is hereby

declared passed. Record Representative Louie Caldwell as

voting ''Yeas'. Representative Caldwell, for what purpose

. do you rise sira''

Lewis A. H. Caldwell: 1'/ rise, Mr. Speaker, since that bill. .. . , a i::j ..v. -;-%z: ' uz .t v<;' w.zTn' : Xj c E N E R A j. A s s E M I 1 L Yt>u;;4 .y; y j y1 ff. 7, , kp I s v .. v e o .. , u u I p' o ' s, $.0, =. . . . ..' .Mà . .'' ' H OUSE 0 F R E PR ESE N T A.T I V ES.*t. wse' .. ..

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just passed, would it be in order for me to ask that you

table, I'm going to table House Bill 695, I think it's

695, yeah, that's the same bill-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''And you are the principal sponsor,

right, sirr'

Lewis A. H. Caldwell: ''Yes, sir.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Where is'it, Representative Caldwell,

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Lewis A. H. Caldwell: ''On Ccnsideration Postponed.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Does the gentleman have leave? Hearin

no objections, House Bill 695 will be tabled. On the

order of Senate Bills Lhird reading appears Senate Bill

645.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 645. An act to amend Section

2 and 3 and to add section 30.1 to an act in regard to

forceable entry and detainer. Third reading cf the bil1.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Representa-

tive Bertan.''

Arthur L. Berman: ''Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I'd ask for leave

to return Senate Bill 645 to the order of second reading

for the purposes of an amenzment.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Are there any objections? Hearing

none, Senate Bill 645 will be put on the order of second

reading for the purpose of amendment. Read the amendment.n

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Amendment Number Two, Berman. Amend

senate Bill 645 on page 2, line 13e by inserting and so

f orth . ''

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Representa-'

tive Berman.''

Arthur L. Berman: ''Mr. Speaker, Amendment Number Two to this

bill'puts in additional safeguard .to the owners of condom-

inium property concerning the eviction procedure involved

when they fail to take their common element assessm/nts.

It would require that b0th that not only yn eviction suit

be brought, but that also a money suit when we call a joint

action for b0th money and evictions be brought. I would

move the adoption of Amendment Number Two to Senate Bill

645 . ''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Representa-

tive Dan O'Brien.''

Daniel J. O'Brien: ''Mr. Speake' r, I just want to ask fo< alittle order. I think this is very ,important bill, we

should be attentive-''

Hon. W . Robert Blair: ''Is there further discussion? If not,

the gentleman has offered to move the adoption of Amendment

Number Two to Senate Bill 645. A11 those in favor of the

adoption of the Amendment say 'Yeas' the opposed 'NO',#

.and the amendment is adopted. Arè there further amendments

Third reading. With leave of the House, we'll go to the

order of House Bills third reading. House Bill 3060.',

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House Bill 3060. An act to provide for

a privilege tax on certain mobile homes, and to repeal part

. of an act herein named. Third reading of the bill.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''T%e gentleman from Lake, Representa-

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tive Murphy-''

' W. J. Murphy: ''Ah Mr. Speaker. do I need leave of the House

to hear this bi1l?''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Yes. you have to suspend the approp-

riate rule.'' .

W. J. Murphy: All right, I would ask leave then to void Rule

32c for the purpose of hearing this bill-l'

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Are there any objections? Hearingnone, the provisions of Rule 32c will be suspended for the

purposes of hearing House Bill 3060.''

W. J. Mûrphy: Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen of the

House, last Spring we passed a bill for mobile hames puttin'

a tax rate on them of lO/ a minimum of 10/ and a maximum

of 15# to be set by the county board. Since that time.

the personal property tax came back on and so to prevent

double taxation, it is necessary that we pass this bill at '

, this time, so I'd ask your favorable support on 3060.3.

. Hon. W. Robprt .B1air: nIs there any discussion? The gentle-

man from Cook. Representative Palmer.''

Romie J. Palmer: ''Does this apply only to non-home rule

. counties?''

W. J. Murphy: ''NO, this is'permissivè legislation and it

applies to a1l counties.'' '

Romie J. Palmer: ''It says non-hcme rule county in the digest. '

W. J. Murphv: ''I'm ef the opinion. mavbe Harber Hall can

answer that, I'm of the opinion that was taken out.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Mr. . .''

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' jRcmie J. Palmer: ''Does it apply tomunicipalities?'')

W . J . Murphy : ''Yes . ''

Romie Palmer: ''Does it apply to non-home rule municipal-

ities?''

W. J. Murphy: ''It applies to a11 mobile home parks in the

State of Illinois, it exempts only mobile homes around

solid and permanent foundationà, it takes them out of the-category of real estate and puts a service tax on them

per sèuare foot, that's the bill that is the 1aw now. Now,this bill is only extending the time for this. That bill

is the law now, this is not making it# that bill is the

law now.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there further discussicn? Does

the gentleéan from Rock Island, Representative Henssu''

Donald A. Henss: ''Wi11 the sponsor yield for a question?''

Hon. W. Robert Blaib: ''He indicates that he will.''

Donald A. Henss: ''The bill that we passed previously in which

Yecame laW, mBde these mobile homes part of the real estate

SO that they would be taxed upon the real estate law: did

it not?l'

W J Murphy: HNO, the bill we passed last Spring. Senate

Bill l98 made them non-real estate and made it possible for

the county board to levy a tax on them, a monthly tax. base

on square foot basis rather than personal property tax or

real estateo''

Donald A. Henss: ''So that there would be a double taxation

if, under the supreme Court decision, now if we.

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W . J. Murphy: ''That's right. .''

Donald A. Henss: .take eare of that personal property

situation, ah, in this sessione . .''

W. J. Murphy: '?I beg your pardona''

Donald A. Henss: ''Now, if we do take care of that personal

property tax situation by having a large exemption or some-

thing of that nature, what happens to your bill?''

W. J. Murphy: ''WeIl# 1971'of course, the taxes already apply

and then this would take effect April 1, 1972.'1

Donald A. Henssz ''Under your bill would the mobile home

escape taxation completely then?''

W . J. Murphy: ''No, it would not. because it's already been

assessed for 1971...

Donald A. Henss: NBut for the future would.

W . J. Murphy: ''For the future it would it oould not be taxed

doubly, I mean it would have tbe service tax and it would

not have the personal property tax.''

Hon. W. RoKert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Representa-

tive Maragosm''

samuel C. Maragos: ''Representative Murphy, just to refresh

my memory, did the amendments in committee which were ad-

d d reading provide a' better definition foropte on seeon

what we consider mobile home, is that the.

W. J. Murphy: ''One amendment provided that the other amend-

ment provided that it takes a 6œ: vote-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Is there further discussion? If not,

the gentleman from Lake Representative Murphy, to close#

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the debate-''

W. J. Murphy: ''I just solicit your vote, Ladies and Gentle-

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The question is shall House Bill 3060

pass with the emergency clause? A11 those in favor signify

by voting 'Yeas' the opposed by voting 'No'. It will take#

l07 votes. Have all voted who wished? Take the record.

Tuerk, 'Yeasr. On this question, the 'Yeas' are 134,

Barnes, 'Yeas' the 'Nays' are 1 and this bill having re-#

ceived the constitutional 60% majority is hereby declared

passed with the emergency clause. I got R. Barnes, oh,

R. Cartere 'Yeas'. Introduction and first readings of

bills.''

Fredric B. Selcke: 'lHouse Bill 3763. A bill for 'An Act

making an appropriation to the Department of Public Works

and Buildings for ccnstructinu drainage and flood control

improvements 'in and between the Illinois-Michigan Caùal

and the-bes'plaines River near Rockdale in Will County.

First reading of the bill. House Bill 3764. A bill for an

act to amend Section 3-606 of 'The Illinois Vehicle 'Code'

approved September 29. 1969, as amended. First reading of

the bill-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Representative Xarty for what purpose

do you rise, sir?''

Richard 0. Hart: ''Ah. Mr. Speaker, there.w'as a motion filed

to discharge the committee on Senate Bill 589. I'd like to

suspend the appropriate rule, I believe 79, for the purpose

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of having that motion heard at the present time. Ah, the

bill is going to be amended in the Registration and Regul-

ation Committee. Wefve worked out an amendment with the

Department and I think it's satisfactory to everybody and

due to the short time we have left, I.d like to proceed to

have the motion heard at this time' and have the bill placed

on second reading for the purpose of offering the amendment t'

Hoh. W. Robert Blair: ''Does the gentleman have leave? Hear-

ing ho objection, leave Fill be granted. Read the bill.''. . *

Fredric B. Selcke: nSenate Bill 589.

Hon. W. Robert Blairz ''Okay, Senate Bill 589 will appear on

the order of second reading, second legislative day. Re-

presentative Harta''

Richard 0. Hxrt: ''Ah yes, I have I have an amendment.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''A1l right, read the bill a second

time, please-''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 589. second reading of the

bill. No committee amendments.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Are there any amendments from the

floor?''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Amendment Number One, Hart. Amend Senate

Bill 589 on page 1, line 1. by stâiking 'amend' and insert-

ing in lieu thereof 'add Section. .''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Franklin, Repres-

entative Hart.''

Richard 0. Hart: ''Mr. Speaéer, this is an amendment to the

'Social Workers' Act' and when the amendment the act was

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passed cutting off a deadline for persons who didn't have

a college degree, it provided certain persons who had work-

ed fcr the Department, in at least two of the last five

years could still qualify. There were certain persons who

were working at the tipe that didn't have two years in and

we worked out an agreement with the department. whereby

these people can take the social workers' exam, so I would-move the adoption of the amendment.''

Hon. W. 'Robert Blair: ''Is there any discussion? If not, the

gentleman has offered to move the adoption of Amendment

Number One to Senate Bill 589. All those in favor of the

adoption will sign ify by saying 'Yeas', the opposed 'No'. #

the amendment is adopted. Are there further amendments?

Third reading. On the Speaker's table appears Senate Bill

1224 for which purpose the gentleman from Cook, Representa-

tive Leon is recognized.''

. John F. Leon: ''Mr. Speaker and Ladies and Gentlemen or the

House, Ivwould like to have the proper rules suspended in

order to have Senate Bill 1224 advanced to the order of

second reading, second legislative day, without reference

to ccmmittee-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Does the genfleman have consent?

Hearing none, Senate Bill 1224 will be put on the order of

second reading, second legislative day. Dc you have amend-

ments. Representative Leon? Will the Clerk please read the

bill a second timea''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1224. Second reading of the

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bill. No committee amendments.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Are there any amendmen'ts from the

floor?'' '

Eredric B. Selcke': ''Amendment Number One. Leon. Amend Senate

Bill 1224 on page 14. by inserting after line 30 the fol-

lowing: 'Section 2. This Act takes effect immediatelv

upon becoming a 1aw.'''

. Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from Cook, Representa-

tive Leon.u

John F. Leon: ''Mr. Speaker, z move the adoption of this amend

ment: This will make this bill an emergency, haW ng it

take effect when signed by the Governor. I move its adop-

tionm''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: %'Is there any discussion? The gentle-

man has offered to move the adoption of Amendment Number

One to SenaEe Bill 1224. All those in fam r of adoption

signify by saying 'Yeas', the opp8sed 'No' and the amendmen

is adopted. Ate there further amendments? Third reading.A

Representative Hall, for what purpose do you rise, sir?''

Harber H. Hallz ''Mr. Speaker, I would ask leave of the House

to advance Senate Bili 1290 to the order of second reading,second legislative da#, because of'the short time we have

remaining: I would like' to discharge the committee for that

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Dces the gentleman have leave? Hear-

ing no objections. Senate Bill 1290 will be put on. . .

Representative Barry, for what purpose do you rise, sir?''

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Tobias Barry: ''I respectfully suggest that we vote on that

motion-''

Hon. W. Robert Blait: ''Objections have been heard. Do you

wish to move?''

Harber H. Ha1l: ''Yes, I would move the question.''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''The gentleman from McLean, Representa-

tive Hall, has moved that the Senate Bill 1290 be taken

from the commîttee and be put on the caiendar on the order

of second reading, second legislative day. Al1 those in

favor of the gentleman's motion will signify by voting

'Yeasf. the opposed by voting 'No'. O'Hallaren, 'No'.

Have a1l voted who wished? Take the record. On this

ti the 'Yeas' are 15 the 'Nays' are 69 apd theques ony ,

gentleman's motion to put senate Bill 1290 on the order of

second reading, second legislative dav, fails. All riqhte

now, the Clerk will inform me 'that ,the Senate bill has not

been read a first time. 1.11 have the Clerk read the' bill

a first t'imd now and it'll be sent to the proper committee.'

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Senate Bill 1290. A bill for an act to

d 'The Revenue Actbf 1939., First reading of the bi11.'amen

Hön. W. Rcbert Blair: ''With leave of the House, we'll go to

resolutions.'.

Fredric B. Selcke: ''House. . .'' '

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Agreed resolutions.''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Resolutions. House Reéolution 475,'Schneider, et.al. House Resolution 476 Fary, et.al.#

House Resolution 477, Juckett, et.al. House Resolution 478

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Timothy'simms, et-al. House Resolution 480, Palmer, et.al.

House Resolution 481. Zlatnik, et.al. House Resolution

482, Hudson, eE.al. House Resoluti on 483, Juckett, et.al.House Joint Resolution 108, Rose, et.al. Senate Joint Re-

solution 58, Barneso''

Hon. W. Robert Blair; ''The gentleman' from Cook, Mr. Hydez''

Henry J. Hydez .'Mr. Speaker. Members of the House, the agreed-resolutions 475 congratulates Mrs. Mae Watts on her untirin

dedication of thescience of Ecology. House Resolution 476

congratulates 'Moose' Krause of Notre Dame for .his service

to the cause of athletics. House Resolution 477 . .

memorializes Veterans' Day. which is today. House Resol-

ution 478 commends political reporter Gary Watson for hisfine coverage of the of this session of the General Assem-b1y and congratulates him on his appointment as City Editorfor the 'Rockford Morning Star. House ResoluG on 48O com-

mends and congratulates the First National Bank of Blue

Island on its diamond jubilee. House Resolution 48l wishes,A

a very happy birthday to the Attorney General of the stateof Illinois, William J. Scott. House Resolution 482 com-

mends Mrs. Beverly Gordon and Mrs. Betty Arnspiger for' their courageous and untiring leadërship to in the fight

against illieit drugs. House Resolution 483 is a deathresolution memorializing Robert J

. Barzditis of Park Ridge.

House Joint Resolution 1O8 commends and congratulates JohnH. Conolly for the honor b'estowed upon him upon his elect-ion as President of the National Legislative Conference.

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House Resolution 58 memorializes the Illinois National Guar

in codcert with the Nati onal Guard Bureau to review and ad-

just appropriate rules and regulations to permit the 111- '

inois National Guards to accept veteran: with general

discharges provided that they are deemed worthy by the

Illinois National Guard. I now move adoption of the' agreed

resolutions-''

HOn.W. Robert Blair: nAll right, on th e order of Senate Bills

with leave of the House, Senate Bills second reading ap-

pears a1l right, a1l those back to resolutions. All those

in favor of the adoption of the Agreed resolutions say''Yeas' the opposed 'No' the 'Yeas' have it and the agreed. #

resolutions are adopted. Further resolutions?''

Fredric B. Selcke: ''Purther résolutions. House Resolution

479, Kosinski, et.al. . House Joint Rçsolution 107, Madigan,

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Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''All right, all right, the there's one

ànnouncepent be'fore we close' up. The leadership on 10th

sides of the aisle will be getting together tomoxrow morn-

ing to discuss some new proposals concerning the welfare

problem and for that reason Repres'entatives Washingtqn has

agreed to go along with referring consideration of his con-

siderable motions to suspend that this etc. concerning his

bills that are on the Speaker's table. until we go into

the session tomorrow after the leaders' meeting to see if

.we can address ourselves to that problem. For what purpose

dces khe gentleman froé Cook, Mr. Laurino, rise?''. . . . s a v ..... o. t <, 4 2,5:$ zl. ?s .J 'Cl.5> .j G E N E R A L A S S E M I 1 L Yi (!

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William J. Laurino: ''Just an announcement, Mr. Speaker. Ther

. was to be a football game this evening between the press

and the legislatnre, and due 'to the long work day and the

late hour, it has been postponed until further notice.''

Hon, W. Robert Blair: 'lThe gentleman from Cook, Mr. Hyde-''

Henry J. Hyde: ''Mr. Speaker, Ladies and Gentlemen of the

Houée, I now move that this House stand adjourned until'

. the Hour of 10:00 O'Clock A.M. tomorrow morning-''

Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''Al1 right, there's one, there's one

motion that the gentleman from Cook, Mr. Carroll, wanted

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Henry J. Hkde: :11111 withdraw my motion-''' Hon. W. Robert Blair: ''A1l right, Fhile he makes his motion.

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Howard W. Carroll: %'Mr. Speaker, under the heading of

motions, we have filed with the Clerk a motion to discharge

the Committee on Appropriations as to Senate Bill 1269 whic '

deals with the constitutional manzate that we transcribe

debates-x I'.ve'cleared this with the leadership on both'

sides of the aisle, and with the Chairman of the Appropria-

tions' Committee and I would move that the bill be dis-' '

. charged, taken from committee and be placed on the order

of second reading, second legislative daye and that the

appropriate rules be suspended.'' .

Hcn. W. Robert Blair: ''A11 right, is there objection? Hear- '

ing none, the bill will be brought of committee and placed

on the order of second reading. second legislative day to-

morrow. Now, the gentleman from ah, there will be a meet-.' * 71'.*' ''.. %%k. ykj . r. x .z <xuyb j'j% v G E N E R A L A S S E M B L Y::; .j.) ,.'t-2 1

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ing of Ehe Conference Committee on 3700 at 6:00 P.M. in

k ' ffice Ah' the gentleman from Cook Mr.the. Spea er s O . , .

Hyde, now renews his motion.''

Henry J Hyde: HI now renew my motion' Mr ' S'peaker that we

adjourn until 10:00 A.M. tomorrow morning.''HOn.W. Robert Blair: ''AII those in favor say 'Yeas' the op-#

Posed 'NO' ''

Adjournment at 5:28 O'Clock P.M.

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