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Well done Mr. Mitraby Mohd Azad (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:18 AM

This is really good to know that Mr. Mitra denied the existence of black hole long time back which even Hawking is admitting today. Talkingabout black hole is like talking about nothing and you can talk forever on such topic with some assumptions.

The irony with Indian(s) scientists is that they don't beleive in publicity or you can say they don't get the right media coverage.Patenting/documenting the information is also a problem. Second biggest problem is the jealousy/ leg pulling attitude among the colleagues.You'll hardly get people who'll support you without worrying about the credit rather they'll leave no stone unturned to stop you continue the goodwork.

Let's hope the Mr. President comes to know about the incident and Mr. Mitra is put back on the research that he was doing ever since

Forward | Report abuseMithra's contributionby Vijay (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:13 AM

Great work Mithra and keep going with the same pace u can acheive.

Forward | Report abuseRelativity Theoryby Rajesh (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:10 AM

A direct thanks to Mr.Mittra about his relativity papers,even though i am not a physics person by myself...but this artcle makes us understandthat even with infrastructure present in Inida,human talent is still very high.

it is discouraging to see attitude of indian government towards the same and still no recognition has come forward for this issue.

Rajesh

Forward | Report abusei need to contact Mr.Mitraby vishnu (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:08 AM

I share similar thoughts that Mr.Mitra has.. can i have email or contact address of MR.Mitra please :)it would be of great use to meregards

Forward | Report abuseCongrats Mitraby bp (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:07 AM

You have made us proud and have given us hope that all is not lost. Now the action -plan needs to be like this

1. The Indian Media should praise this acheivement and make Mitra a celebrity2. The Stupid babus in the BARC who do not have the scientific attitude of looking at different theories with an open mind should be fired &exiled immediately3. A science innovation department should b e formed under the ageis of the President of India Dr. APJ AK & Mitra should be made to headthat department. the sole purpose of this department should be to publish all the theories by all the scientifically inclined people and work inthe direction of making them practical. The motto of this dept should be - THE ONLY STUPID IDEA IS THE ONE THAT DID NOT COME TOYOUR MIND.

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eedbackby kingshuk roy (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:01 AM

Its very good to know that Indian scientists are of such caliber, they should be encouraged. Many appalauds for the indian unknown genius.

Forward | Report abuseAn eye-openerby Ramkumar(View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:00 AM

Very interesting article.On celebrating Hawking'stheory its proved that thegeneral rule of the worldtoday, is that it wantssensational news rather thannews that makes sense.

Forward | Report abuseExcellentby Natti (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 09:58 AM

It is great to know that it was an Indian who opposed Hawkings theory. His work was accepted as he was a highly renowned physicist, andthe idea of Abhas Mitra's colleagues ditching him shows the fear that we disply to bring out ideas. If the idea is projected before the scientificcommunity with a solid proof backing it and what is there to fear.Hope Mitra's work is taken as an example and other scientists come out of their shell to bring out their challenges to the scientists from thewest. Similarly the greatness of Indian mathematics from Aryabhatta to baudhayana to saayana, who proposed a number of mathematicaltheoroms, well before the time of pythagoros etc, should be published. This would give indians a sense of pride.

Forward | Report abuseThe Indian scientist who took on Hawkingby Binu (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 09:57 AM

First of congratulations to Abhas Mitra and secondly an apology for being in ignorance of the fact that such groundbreaking work andthought process was underway in our country.Maybe now BARC and the government will do justice by him and honour him as he so rightly deserves.

Forward | Report abuseAbhas Mitra's paper about black holes.by Prakash (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 09:55 AM

Nothing surprising considering that most 'scientists' in the Indian academia are more keen on pleasing West than finding the truth.

There is a way the Nation can check this. Why not give Abhas a Padmabhushan? I invite all the rediff readers to promote this idea.(Incidentally, I don't know Abhas or any other theoretical physicists). Now that Stephen Hawking himself has debunked the existence ofblack holes, Indian scientists will be more willing to recognise Abhas.

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been avoided since it is the general reaction of the scientific community to any change. Though they say they stand fo r logical reasoningand progressive thinking, I think these guys are as retrograde as any. The history of science is replete with stories of castigated visionaries.At least Mitra is fortunate that his stand is vindicated in his life time

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by Dr. Kishore Saha (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:37 AM

Though i am not an astrophysicist, what i felt is that it is a case of jeleousy which is a common phenomenon.The fact that ,even Hawkingdidnot get back and later presenting the same thing in a conference in which even the review board didnot rivewe the paper earlier becauseit was a last minute request from the eminent scientist and just going by his figure,they granted permission is again ridiculous. Again I cansay that Dr Mitra's work will definitely get the recognition it deserves,i am sure about that. Again India is a country where u find dirty politicsat every spheres of life.That is the reason why novelists like Dr. Hargovind Khurana didnot acknowledge his Indian background behind hissuccess. I would congratulate Dr. Mitra for his unparallel effort and would pray to God that he get his appropriate recognition.Its a chance forIndia to payback.

Thanx

Dr. Kishore Saha


True and sad plight of Indian scientistsby Arya (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:37 AM

This instance points out the plight of Indian researchers in India, who are still besotted with the colonial hangover that the British (in general,the west) is always right. Even if a colleague of theirs points out some anomaly in a western theory, this is the reception that they get.

Another sad instance is the high-handedness of Arthur Eddington (as pointed out in the article) towards S. Chandrasekhar. Interestingly, thisincident has also been pointed out in Hawking's "A Brief History of Time".

Moreover, this only underlines the greatness of Einstein who gladly accepted Satyen Bose's theory and translated it (into German) and had itpublished.

Forward | Report abuseThis is the crude truth!!by Daringtowin (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:29 AM

Its highly unfortunate especially the treatment metted out to Mr.Mitra. My hearty congratulations to him and though his work didnt get therequired recognition it deserved, I am sure it has pulled up many questions in the much believed theory of Black holes and that indeed it is ofgreat pride for all of us that its an Indian who has dared to contradict such an established theory.Hats off to him and I am proud to be anIndian.

Forward | Report abuseThree cheers for Mitraby Ramkumar(View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:28 AM

Dear Indians,This particular bit of news comes as no surprise to me. We Indians are very good at doing science, but sadly, hopeless at recognising thesame, especially when it comes from an Indian.Stories of scientists not getting recognition they deserved in our country, but who eventuallywent out of India to become world-renowed persons is a cliche now. No wonder bright young minds are leaving our country by the minute!

Forward | Report abuseIronyby rajiv sharma (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:26 AM

This is an irony that no one is supporting a genius, is it just because he is an Indian, had the same thing told to us by Mr. Hawkings peoplewould have welcomed the same thing. Please guys he is an Indian gutsy genius. Keep going Mr. Mitra we all are with you.

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The man of inspirationby jyothirmayam (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:25 AM

Dear Sir,First, let me congratulate Dr.Abhas on his REVOLUTINARY thesis that challenged the Hawking's flawed theory and has been eventaullyACCEPTED.It's the same old story that happens at various of points of time in history.But ultimately what triumphs is human endeavor to unravel thetruth.Against all odds,the great seekers of truth always challenge the the ignorant majority.For a such a poineering work, he got the treatment that none can forget.It's sad that great scientists often rely upon their own means forpath-breaking discoveries.And in this case, BARC has done immense injustice and i nsult to a poineer.Personally I am proud of being a fellow Indian,whose country has produced such genius.This saga must open the eyes of Indians at large tocreate conducive atmosphere for research rather than trying stiffle it.All the so-called thinkers/physicists are of no consequence that's amplyproved in the case of Dr.Abhas.He is a gem for India.We have so many such poineers,but are we interested to derive benefit from theirresearch? The answer is a DISMAL NO.I,for one, strongly think that the present attitude of ours must change.Ultimately,the tuth prevails!

Forward | Report abuseMitra Vs Hawkingby Coimbatore Krishnan Murali (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:23 AM

Mitra's work proves the point that no idea should be rejected just because it challenges some giant. We always see in life, many discardedideas come back to us with some alienated majesty.

Forward | Report abuseNot every genius is rightby Kapil Munjal (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:18 AM

This is great that someone from India took on Stephen Hawkings but it is a pity instead of finding the reason behind Mitra's theory, weIndians disregarded it. Well, now when Stephen himself has said that his 25 year old theory was wrong, what is expected from Mitra.

I would ask Mitra to work on his findings a little bit more and give his own theory on black holes.

There are quite a few people who dare to challenge such type of theories.

Congratulation Mitra...

Kapil

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Hats off to Mitraby Venkat (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:11 AM

Hats off to Mitra, Anyone can be wrong in their belief even Prof. Stephan Hawking, If someone like Mitra tries to prove it wrong, encourage it,instead of discouraging him, I urge Mitra's colleagues to accept the fact not just by blindly following someone, you guys are seasonedscientists you must be ashamed of such activity in yourself. Thank you Rediff for bringing this into picture. Good Comparison ofChandrasekar's findings and now Americans are remembring him by giving their telescope his name. Wake up India.

Forward | Report abuseKudosby Amol (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:07 AM

Its hard to take on some one like stephen Hawking. But Mitra did exactly that despite everything. He inspires me....

Forward | Report abuseStop Praising yourselfby oh please!!! (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:07 AM

"Abhas Mitra, at the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC) in Mumbai, was perhaps the first and the only scientist who had the guts toopenly challenge Hawking of Cambridge University who is regarded by many as the modern-day Einstein."

He was infact challenged 30 years ago by John Preskill as part of a bet which Stephen Hawking accepted as lost!!

Forward | Report abuseShould we not appreciate the work of Shri Mitra-BARCby Vinod Ladhani (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:03 AM

I feel that we should appreciate the work of Shri Mitra who worked against all odds and none other than Hawking confirmed his findingsdirectly or indirectly. Employers must appreciate such minds (persons) and allow them of excel further.

Forward | Report abuseWhy rate fellow-Indians under par?by bhavesh (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:02 AM

Hawkings is Hawkings.. but so are Indians, Indians!Things are not always correct in the minds ofproclaimed stars. Give importance to the 'thought',not the name. My sincere praises for your work, Mr.Mitra. And i believe those who berated you would beapologising as well.

Forward | Report abuseBlackholesby Dr.D.Suhasini (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:55 AM

Really Great!! Simply amazing. Congratulations to Prof. Mitra.Though I am not a physicist, I am proud to note that an Indian Scientist has proved his worth. and the Professor should not feel sad..."adiamond shines in a mound of earth and one cannot stop it" as a saying goes in Telugu.

Forward | Report abuseCongratulations Sir!by Sumit Kumar Maitra (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:45 AM

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Congratulations on being vindicated for your work. Unfortunately you too have joined the long list of Great Indian Academicans/Scientistswho have been ignored/sidelined or not given their due, starting with Dr. Jagadish Chandra Bose. Thanks to rediff for bringing to fore aperson like you. Hope someday we Indians will give better credit to the our own people and realize that real heroes don't come fromCRICKET fields!!!

Best Regards,Sumit Kumar Maitra.


Proud to be an India.by Ram Prasad (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:45 AM

I am proud of Dr. Abhas Mitra's feat and am proud an Indian could take on the best of the brains of the world, though the sad part is that theIndians who matters (the scientists and administrators) wouldn't accept this. Maybe, this is one of the reasons why the best Indian Brains arenot willing to be in India.

Well done Dr. Mitra, we are proud of you.

Regards

Ram Prasad

Forward | Report abuseThanks to Mr. Mitra for showing us the right path! Hatts off to you, Sir!by Mehul Parmar(View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:44 AM

Humans do make mistakes therefore they are humans!

Sir Stephen Hawking and the entire scientist community must accept their mistake and recognise the ground breaking work done byMr.Mitra and must reward him for opening our eyes to what is right and correct and scientifically proved.

Proud to be an INDIAN!!!

Forward | Report abuseThe Indian who dared to take on Hawking and winby Colonel SS Rajan (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:41 AM

I salute Abhas Mitra, for his intellectual brilliance and for his courage to take on Hawking.I wish we have more Indians like him with guts.Three Cheers to Abhas Mitra.Regards,[email protected]

Forward | Report abuseindian science has been mismanaged for over 5 decades !by r p rammohan (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:40 AM

Hearty congrats to Abhas Mitra who is the only one scientist in the country who has the courage to question the most admired scientist'sunderstanding about black holes. Those who punished Mitra in BARC should receive maximum possible punishment and probablyimmediate ouster from their jobs as they are deadly dangerous elements to Indian science. Bossism and bureaucracy in Indian science mustbe fully killed once and for all for the Indian science to flourish like in no other country.

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World needs youby Ujjwal Dubey (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:39 AM

i'm a layman in physics or astronomy but subjects like blackholes fascinate me. when i first read the title of the article i thought Mitra anotherone who questioned an eminent personality like hawking just for the sake of publicity. after going through th article i was proven wrong. theworld needs minds like Mitra who not only dare to think different but also have the confidence and guts to express it openly. as we havenoticed from the history that whosoever propounds something different is first criticized then eventually accepted. this feature has been thepart of the game for centuries. and what a fantastic feature of science that every established theory seems to be the ultimate truth until somedaring soul questions it. the abstract science of space-time will keep musing generations and generations of intellectual minds...

Forward | Report abuseNone but brave deserve the applause.by Sanjay Watal, Saudi Arabia (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:29 AM

Salute to the gutsy scientist. At least there is someone having the courage to take on the world and say - Wrong to what is wrong?

Forward | Report abuseThe Indian who took on Hawkingby N.Dharmeshwaran (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:25 AM

Fair skin and not a fine mind counts!

Likewise,objections to the Big Bangtheory that how such a massive explosioncould result in a well ordered planetarysystem,take our solar system,with planetsneatly going round and how only one planetSaturn could be specially structured withrings;how Time can slow down or pick up speedwhile the physical or atomic measuringinstruments could be affected by velocityapproaching speed of light are a few othersthat await vindiation.


Black holesby Sundar(View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:20 AM

This is not the first time that something like this had happened to people who propose ground breaking theories..

Mitra should remember the ordeal that Galileo went through at the hands of the church and consider him fortunate.

I think Mitra deserves a public acknowledgement from none other than Hawking himself for having corrected his ideas about black holes.

History has showed that scientists of yore were all humility personified. I hope Hawking belong to this category.

Forward | Report abuseDont follow the Western ideology blindly!by Ramya (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:16 AM

Why is it we still think that the Westerners thinking is always correct.Is it the country you belong to makes an impression or the colour of the

skin?? I really dont understand when Mitra had invited people to verify his papers, even the Indians declined to do so.Shame on the BARCcolleagues of Mitra,atleast they should've supported him on this.When we dont have support within our own system how can we expect theworld to support us.This attitude of Indians has reduced to what India is today.It's sad that we are right only when the Westerners think so.Ifeel very proud to be an Indian to know that an Indian proved the so called great Hawking wrong! Three Cheers to you Abhas Mitra,youmake us all proud!

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The Indian who took on Hawkingby Sheetal (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:16 AM

Hats off to Mr. Mitra for his work.he is on of the persons neglected in INDIA because of the Indian attitude that only if it is told by the western world we accept things.Our President is lucky that his work was admired.


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Total 132 messages Pages >we're the best in the worldby hmm (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 12:06 PM

We can take them all on! Go get 'em, Mitra!

Forward | Report abusecontroversy vs popularityby ksey (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 12:04 PM

Hawkings is a great theoretician. But that shouldn't have been the reason to shun discussion that could disprove his theory. Research isabout finding answers and problems, about proving and disproving - fundamental research is never foolproof and I'm sure Hawkings isscientist enough to accept the flaws in his theory. As much as it is hard to get out of the fascinating idea of black holes, theories need to beperfected to be able to explain the many many mysteries of the universe.I hope Dr.Mitra gets the encouragement and facilities he requires to further his work, somewhere in the world where people aren't afraid to'make success' rather than just follow success.

Forward | Report abuseThe Indian who took on Hawkingsby Ajith Nair(View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 12:04 PM

It is very nice of Mr.Hawking to accept the anomaly in his findings and acknowledge the findings of Mr.Mitra. Infact, there are few whoaccepts their mistakes and amend it.

Forward | Report abusehats what the price you pay being an under dog from a third world country

by subbaratnam kumar(View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:57 AM

I am not surprised. This is what you get/face when you belong to a third world country. Your results are looked at with skepticism.Whereaswhen you agree with already published literature, you can publish in the highly reputed journals easily.

Forward | Report abuseWe need to proud of him !by Sidharth (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:57 AM

We ,indians , for an eternity have been living in the shadows of the west even though we have some bright jewels like Mr Mitra in ourcountry. Even the ones who have no knowledge of a speciaized field of science like physics will tell you that before jumping to conclusionswe need to have a look at persons atatements.and if he has the guts to contradict another scientist(in this case Mr Stephen Hawking) hewould know what he is up against, by theway what is science it is the result of healthy criticisms which mr mitra deserves, I as a proud indianhail Mr Mitra's initiative, and feel sad when i think what kind of response he would have got had he been an american !!

Forward | Report abuseGreat scientistby Ashwani (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:56 AM
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Plight of India results brain drain.... People like Mitra being sidelined like this in our country and recognised by foriegn institutions... What willeducation cess do even after producing such bright sceintists we do not acknowledge them??? Again and example of "Ek Aur Doctor keemaut"""

Forward | Report abuseThis always happensby pradip (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:50 AM

Its great to see mitra objecting the blackholes theory, More great to see was that he stuck to his stance since he might have done a lot ofwork and bad to see people at BARC taking him lightly. Whatever some lerned is true, is what indian people belive and then they go ahed tohave blind faith in one person, Hawkins someday himself would realize his own flaws and would say sorry , then may be mitra would see alot of felicitations.

Forward | Report abuseTo Mr. Mitra of BARC who proved Hawkins wrong...by Cdr. KK Varma IN Retd. (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:50 AM

I wold like to 'console' Mr. Mitra in my small little way, by recalling what Lord Krishna told Arjuna : "Karmanya-eve Adhikarastey, MaaPhaleshu Kadachin". He will perhaps now receive the 'glory' which was long overdue to him; this is life! Nothing succeeds like success!! Ihope that instead of basking his ego in this glory, he will take it as God's Grace & continue with his good work.

I wish him many more laurels for himself & the country. This is how it was destined to be; for nothing can happen without the blessings of theDivine Will.

Forward | Report abuseBlack Holes !!!by Nag (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:48 AM

This theory on the existance or non-existance of Black holes is tuly remarkable, And disputing a 30 yr old theory is not easy. W ish Mr Mira'stheory takes the community closer to understanding the amazing universe.

Forward | Report abuseThe Indian who took on Hawkingby CS Muralidhar(View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 12:54 PM

The fact that intense radiation had been found emanating from all collapsing stars shows that the theory of event horizon is false and pureconjecture.According to yogic science too this is illogical. A sound or thought or energy wave produced remains in the universe of sound, Shabda Brahma,for ever. It can be perceived by the mind on performing dharana on that packet of energy. So a sufficiently subtle mind cannot be blocked fromreaching the information under all circumstances. This only means that either destruction of information or having an horizon beyond whichnothing, including the yogic mind, cannot penetrate is utterly, not just illogical, but banal. The fact is yogic seers have time and time againshown that it is possible for the self-consciousness to reach dimensions beyond the time-space continuum and experience the unchangingReality, the Super-Conscious All Knowing state, and return to the self-conscious state. Unfortunately, modern science, bound to the outwardsense organs and oblivious of the mind instrument, has to take many many faltering steps to even glimpse the ultimate Reality.

Stephen Hawking is an over-rated prodigy of the flawed modern science.

Forward | Report abuseGREAT NEWS !!!!by Raghunandan (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 12:46 PM

Most of us who had read about Stephan Hawking and his books were intimidated by his larger than life image....but am glad to see that anINDIAN scientist has disproved one of his theories......CONGRATS....

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When will we learn !by Sumit Kumar(View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 12:40 PM

We keep chanting names of Indian for their global recognition living outside India, but we just cannot recognize the talent which we haveinside our home. God knows! when will we get the confidence of world beaters in any field??Sounds stupid but shame to us for not promoting the theory by Indian...media are you still sitting with Tendulkar????

Forward | Report abuseLook East, Indians.. look East!!!by Rajesh Nair(View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 12:40 PM

This is yet another vindication of the Indian intellect in the areas of pure science. Bravo Abhas Mitra! May his tribe increase!!! While it is amoment of great pride for us Indians and for physics in general, it is a sad relection on the state of our self-esteem wherein we needacknowledgement from the West (read "the White Man") in any sphere of existence whether be it our food, culture, movies, science etc.Any proposition will have 3-dimesions to it viz. "Yes", "No" or "Maybe"..what is deplorable is the lack of discussion on Mr. Mitra's theory andour inability to question set mores and beliefs. I personally believe that it is a function of our conditioning wherein we have been taught toaccept, without questioning. This "servile mentatility" leads to the proliferation of "Yes Men" (women still dare to question, very often!)whoare scared to be different.However, before much damage is caused let us encourage the budding Mitras in our country to question, to challenge and to fail..so that wecan succeed!Cheers!Rajesh

Forward | Report abuseSad that Indian talent is not recognisedby dee (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 12:30 PM

It is really very sad that Indian talent is not recognised even in India and that bureaucracy, red-tape & politics stifle even the best brains inIndia. No wonder the brain drain took away the best of our scientists :(

Forward | Report abuseKudos to Mr.Mitra. Its a resounding lesson to our so called Indian Intelligentiaby Suraj (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 12:22 PM

Dear Readers,This is History repeating itself, but fact is our Indian Intellegensia, so called scientist still follow the age old philosophy since Independence -

WHITES R ALWAYS RIGHT.SUPERIOR SKIN PHILOSOPHY. They do forget that major researchers have been done long b ack in BCyears on Science, Stars, Medicines & surgery long back these white skin had formed a civilised society.Did we forget Mr. Ramanujam who gave us Matematical wonder letter ZERO. He was goaded for his work International & was touted a Heroin India much later than that after which many of his articles were published & acclaimed by socalled Indian Intellegentia.for eg I have developed molecules/ sp. chemicals for Oil & Gas sector which have beaten products of MNC hollow in lab & plant t rials,yet tosee takers.Our scientist are only after one thing - Scouting for talent, stealing & publishing their work as their own,Political mileages & favourism,vendetta, lucrative transfers & balance in actual research. SAD STORY ISN'T IT.I feel we all should rise and motivate brilliant scientist like Mr. Mitra which will be a motivation for other genuinely intelligent scientist to comeforward & be recognised.

Forward | Report abuseThe Indian who took on Hawking

by Fareed (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 12:19 PM

All credit to Mr. Mitra for his outstanding work. The lack of appreciation and credit which he duly deserves , especially from hiscontemporaries and colleagues in India, is indeed a shame. I sincerely hope Mr. Mitra's efforts receive the commendation from the Indianscientific community, much the same way as he has received praise from scientists the world over.

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Well done! Mr. Mitraby Pulak (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 12:08 PM

Dear Mr. Mitra,

I am finance student, doesnt know much about relativity or quantum physics. But would like to congratulate to you for making all of us proudand also having courage to take on physicists like Stephen Hawking.

Its very dis-heartening to read about the treatment which you got f rom your colleagues and employer.

Taking a cue from your case, I would like to appeal to all, that its high time we started believing and supporting our scientists. Otherwise Idon't see any end to brain drain which our country faces.

Thanks!

Forward | Report abuseIndian Scientist abhas Mitraby MSVRajan (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 12:08 PM

It is Really worthwhile information that highlighted about Our scientist Abhas Mitra. We generally believed What hawking says regardingphysics. It is right time that Abhas Mitra's work may be highlighted by our media. Let the rediff may be the first one to do this. If Dr. Abhasmitra can be interviewed for our rediff community,it'll be fine.With Regards.MSV Rajan.

Forward | Report abuseMitra's challengeby ashish.gogia (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 02:15 PM

Great work done By Mr Mitra and I feel that all Indian scientist should support his views about black Holes.

Forward | Report abuseMr. Abhas Mitra Write a Bookby RajeswaraRao (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 02:03 PM

We would like Mr. Abhas Mitra to write a book on his theory which would stand out among all the books on this subject of blackholes.RajeswaraRao

Forward | Report abuseGreat work .... often discouragedby ASHISH (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 01:48 PM

This is a great example which shows that the great work of the people in India get discouragement form their own people/colleaguage. Thisis what one of the reason which hold india to become a technological leader in the world

Forward | Report abuseBrilliant piece of work !by Prakash (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 01:39 PM

Congrats to Mr.Mitra for his brilliant piece of work. I also admire his perseverance and character amidst all the opposition he faced.

The persons who sidelined him, without so much as even reading his work, do not deserve any respect.

He should get the recognition he deserves, and the media should play its part in projecting his work.

Such incidents should not occur in future, if the spirit of science is to grow in India.

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The Indian who took on Hawkingby Anuradha (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 01:38 PM

Its indeed sad that we do not have faith on our scientists and the ability of Indian researchers.

Forward | Report abusecongratulationsby vishal kothari (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 01:23 PM

respected Mr. Mitrathis is vishal kothari a research scholar at Advanced Centre for Treatment Research and Education in Cancer, tata memorial centre mumbai.please accept my congratulations on your recent success related to the world of astrophysics.the debate which perpatuated since last fewdecades has now got a convincing direction i suppose with the briliant work done by you.Once again it is prooved that some biggestproblems in science need very basic understanding of the subject and that if you have the understanding,you can find the solutions.Certainly your work has helped us keeping our heads high in the world of science.thanksvishal kotharigenetic enigineering unitACTREC,kharghar,navi mumbai

Forward | Report abuse.........the indian who took on hawkingby saket verma (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 01:20 PM

the article was quite informative but i am not in a position to comment on it as i have little knowledge on the subject .but related peopleshould see to it that an important work does not get lost .

Forward | Report abuseHawkins and Black Holeby Harshad (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 01:18 PM

It is really sad that so called acdemicians and scientists refuse to accept any view contrary to the established one. Even sadder is the factthat as a country, we do not have systems to recognise such efforts and support them in future. On the contrary, may be still under colonialinfluence of white skin, we prefer to side line such people one way or the other. I hope the wrong done is corrected and Mr. Abhas get hisdue and is trated properly in future.

harshadharshad

Forward | Report abuseKudos!!!by Sanju (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 01:05 PM

Kudos to Mitra .

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Abhas Mitra has proved the world that Indians are no less in finding the facts around the world. Its a shame other Indian Scientists includingBARC criticised him.
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Hawking is a pioneer in his work that doesn't mean whatever a expert says is right and you cant question him. It happened when Tesla tookEdison,Bell took Elisha.

The world will definetely take Abhas Mitra and his works in good terms.

It is because of this criticism and discouragement many Indians are leaving India and researching outside in US and UK.

I solemnly urge my Indian community - If you cant help or encourage a person leave it,atleast dont hurt him.

Congratulations to Abhas Mitra for his success.

Baskar Sundaram

Forward | Report abuseabhas mitra's success in solving black hole paradoxby Andy Mishra (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 04:36 PM

the incident of isolation of Mitra at BARC shows that despite enormous success of Indian scientific community, anything and anyoneconfronting conventional wisdom is still ostracized and cut out. We are still not ready to challange the world with faith in ourselves. Theimportance of suspiscion can not be underestimated, and without suspiscion, the creed of science would itseld vanish, but what is requiredis constructive criticism and not isolation.

Forward | Report abuseHorrendousby Jay (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 04:20 PM |Hide replies

It is really depressing to see how the whole situation was dealt with. This explains why the Indian youth is heading for the West!

Forward | Report abuseRE:On Swapan Dasguptaby da.venks (View MyPage) on Aug 09, 2004 11:44 AMHey,

Seriously, read more history books, from various authors and see what has happened. Dont just comment.

daV

Forward | Report abuseRE:On Swapan Dasguptaby Abhik Ray Chaudhury (View MyPage) on Aug 07, 2004 08:44 PMSo called comuniststs use the word'taut' in India (specially west Bengal)quite often, and I believe you are one too!!The pinkos of west bengal has ruined the educational system in bengal for good. The premier colleges in Kolkata are allhappy hunting grounds of the caders of CPM, not to mention about the schools and colleges in the districts. Indiancommunists are the most anachronistic force at this point of time in India, and the role they are playing right now in theIndian politics indeed should be a cause of concern to any well meaning educated Indian.

Forward | Report abuseMitra's disappointmentby rk (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 03:55 PM

Mitra shd not feel disappointed as his theory has won over theory of hwakings,does not matter he got due credit or not at that time becausewe Indians are champoin in avoiding our own talent.we r negative in our behaviour towards natural talent.we never beleive our potential&BARC authorities might have thought how we poor Indians can challenge hwakings who is modern einstein.it was low esteem of BARCwhich insulted mitra &thus India.shame shd be on MM Joshi&RSS brigade who were in power &never got tired in accusing old Indiansystem of last 50 years.where jsohi was sleeping when a physicist was getting ignorence?above all joshi himself was physicist &naturallymitra's pity state shows that joshi himself could not understand worth of mitra's work. BJP/RSS will celebrate anything in honour of mitra'svictory now? will they block parliament now that Indian scientist was insulted inspite of good work?this shows that no matter who is in power in India scientists cant be taken as first rate at par with international stadard.we indians are notconfident enough to feel self esteem because its not taught since childhood.RSS wants false self esteem but ignores present days lifestories

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Good articleby Rajan (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 03:49 PM

It shows some of our Indians always discourage our scientist. If any outsider tells they believe blindly. It shows some of our Indian attitudes.

Thanks for this article.

Forward | Report abuseMeet the Indian who took on Stephen Hawkingby Seshadri (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 02:52 PM

Kudos to Abhas Mitra and my sincere congratulations. He is one of those independent thinking people on the lines of Ramanujam, Ramanand Chandrashekar etc...Its a shame that BARC HAD to show its fantastic hypocracy and intellectual dishosty along with its penchant for blindly aping the west. Ican't imagine colleagues shying away from Mr Mitra, because he questioned Hawkins and proposed a counter proof. Rather than helpingMitra prove/disprove Hawkins, castigating him!! Gosh! It cant get any worse. Can it?God knows how many opportunities and intellectuals we have lost and cost India because of such intellectual dishonesty.

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by R. Gopinathan (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 02:40 PM

Indians are insuperable in the art of suppressing their own men and insulting great men. This is what immediately came up in my mind. Thebasic reason for this pathetic condition is our inferiority complex and our traditional mental slavery to the "white skinned masters". Themother of all this nonsensical behaviour is the education we receive right from our schools, followed by the education offered by ouruniversities, the informal education in the form of newspapers, magazines, tv channels, cinema, etc. Especially the communists, the"secularists" and the so-called intelligentsia in our country are the most irresponsible humans the world has ever produced. They takeimmense pride and pleasure in insulting our indigenous culture and customs. According to them anything Indian is inferior and barbaric.These people can't digest the fact that Indians deserve the right to live with self-respect. They are determined to nip any feeling of self-respect among our people even when it is a bud.

R. Gopinathan


BARC Physicists? Huh!by Ninad Chitre (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 02:39 PM

Hello,

Congratulations to Abhas! I appreciate your efforts and courage to express your thoughts. Congrats to Pankaj too who bravely supportedAbhas.

I heard about an Indian (either Mt Sabnis or Mr Deshpande maybe someone else...) who challenged Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity. Iread his small book in which the quthur gave 7 fundamental points raising doubts about Special Relativity theory.

Any reader have any idea?

-Ninad

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Wow!!by Kristofer(View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 02:38 PM

Dear Sir,

My heartfelt appreciation to you on your work and my deepest apologies being a fellow Indian for not recognizing your work. Am sure manymany more of us stand by you. Pity though that many whose opinion counts still judge people by the color of their skin...

Thank you for making me feel proud to be an Indian!!! Such joy are few and far in between.

Kristofer

Forward | Report abuseBlack holesby Vivek (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 06:29 PM

One big mistake of our society is, outcasting people who dare to swim against the flow. My uncle who did a world tour on cycle, also used toglide often. An accident while gliding got him bed ridden for 2 years and every one blamed him for the hobby instead of supporting him.

Forward | Report abuseHistory Repeatsby Amitdyuti (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 06:28 PM

History does repeat itself. Stories of Indians being sidelined by our countrymen is nothing new. Thanks to people like Dr. Mitra India has itspresence felt on the globe. Thanx our countrymen who repetedly act the "criminal" in various fields that India is nowhere the place it rightlydeserves at world forum. Collegues who sidelined such revolutionary works not only disrespected the individual but are openly rapingscience. I really wonder at the authorities who transferred Dr. Mitra and tried there best to demoralise him and kill his fantastic work. Suchpeople forget that talent is not there slave it works independent and it's powerful enough to have an impact sooner or later.Satya Meva Jayatey...

Forward | Report abuseLets identify ourselvesby Abhay Jain (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 06:12 PM

I have little knowledge on the whole issue...but i point i want to raise here is why not give credit to Mitra after whose findings on the BlackHole Hawking was forced to admit that there is no Black Hole in real.

We indians have this mentality of praising the foreigners and neglecting our intelectuals. Let us now recognize our potential and catch thewestern world by the horn.

Forward | Report abuse''Western superiority, Indian mediocrity''by Dr Harikrishnan (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 05:57 PM

The Hawking-Mitra episode underscores one of the indisputable constants in society - that we Indians are a timid, insecure lot with no pridewhatsoever in ourselves. No wonder a country smaller than one of our states ruled over us! Be it science, medicine, IT, or business, wealways bow to the "supremacy" of the West. When will we ever wake up! Genration after generation, we ape the West, and have alwaysignored our own. God help us! Come to think of it, are our Gods weaker than those of the West?

Forward | Report abuseCongrats sir,,,,,,,,,,,,by Harsha (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 05:53 PM

Most of our fellow Indians are having the problem of inferiority complex and many of these people think that west is the best and what everthey say is correct and defanitely people like you will be discouraged,despite of that u achieved some thing great,,,congrats ,,,people like youwill be role models for the younger generation like us. thanks

HarshaReddy.

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he indian who took on hawkingby abhinandan (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 05:46 PM

Congrats to Abhas Mitra for proving to his collegues and to the world that we(Indians) can challenge anyone and anything in this planet

abhinandan

Forward | Report abuseMitra and Hawkingby B iswarup Banerjee (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 05:29 PM |Hide replies

Dear Mr. Mitra,First of all, you should learn the history of General Theory. Black hole solutions of Einstein's equations were found by Schwarzschild longbefore Hawking was born,as a matter of fact Schwarzscild found the solutions within a year of publication of Einstein's revolutionarypaper.Hawking's main contribution is the elucidation of the properties of black hole ( along with Beckenstein) and the discovery that blackholes can radiate if quantum mechanical effects are taken into account. This is called Hawking radiation. This is not possible in classicalphysics.However Hawking radiation has not been so far.Observationally many black holes been found in recent years. So the statement"black holes do not exist" is sheer nonsense!I strongly advise you to learn the theory properly before making absurd claims. I am not surprised that Narlikar and others have not botheredto debate with you.They have more useful things to do.Unfortunately,many Indians want to become famous by putting forward meaningless claims and "challenging" well-established ideas insteadof working hard and discovering new phenomena or producing new ideas.-B.Banerjee

Forward | Report abuseRE:Mitra and Hawkingby Ninad Chitre (View MyPage) on Aug 06, 2004 09:07 PM

Dear Mr BB,

1.Please read the original rediff article carefully. Abhas showed that Black Hole's existance would invalidate GeneralTheory of Relativity. Do not jump to conclusions such as Abhas does not know General Theory of Relativity!

2.>Hawking radiation has not been so >far.Observationally many black holes been found in >recent years.

How are these BHs found? Any idea?

Your statement can be interpreted as : The so called black holes are not exactly so. Don't you think this is what preciselyAbhas meant?

3.>So the statement "black holes do not exist" is sheer >nonsense!

Do you understand that GTR should be harmonised with Quantum Mechanics?

4.>...and "challenging" well-established ideas instead >of working hard and discovering new phenomena or >producingnew ideas.

Abhas pointed out that old ideas are contradictory! What's wrong with it? Which idea you think is well established?

5.>I am not surprised that Narlikar and others have not >bothered to debate with you.They have more useful >things todo.

Kindly refrain from such abarrent remarks. You are not personal assistant of Dr Naralikar or others!!

-Ninad

Forward | Report abuseScientific Voiceby J Payso (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 05:08 PM

Dear all

I throughly believe in Equal Oppertunites as this is the way the world should behave for a safer and better world.

a platform for disscussion should be uniform for all scientific and political disscussion, congrats to the scientist who took to Hawking, It was a
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straight froward defect and it took so much of fuss and descrimination to acknowledge the flaw in the thoery.

My sincere congradulation to Dr. Abhas Mitra for moral victory by tolerating descrimination from internaional and national scientist but stillstand by his thesis.

Kind regardsJohn Payso

Forward | Report abuseWe all should feel embarassed!by A True Indian (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 04:55 PM

Is it not high time that we should belive in our people rather than always echoing what the West says ! I feel ashamed of our BARCscientists! Their credibility anyway is no more important than the monsoon to our country!

Forward | Report abuseNAME sellsby R. V. Iyengar(View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 04:42 PM

Which only goes to prove that in this world NAME counts, and not authentic ideas or views. Stephen Hawking propounded a theory aboutblackholes some 30 years back, only TO RECANT the same recently. If someone like Abhas Mitra or some other NAMEless astro-physicist

had done that, people would have ridiculed him and taken him to task for taking them for a ride. But, that is how the world is. Poor Mitra. Iunderstand how he feels.


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Total 132 messages Pages< Newer |1 |2|3| 4 | 5 Older > >>Nice artical...by Sandip Solanki (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 11:20 PM

I feel like Govt. should encourage scientist like mitra to come forward.. I really appreciate work did by mitra in spite of all odds.

Sandip

Forward | Report abuseCongratulations Mr.Mitra!by Sarnath (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 10:54 PM

Thats great news guys! Good work Mr.Mitra.Sad that you were avoided by ur Mitras. Dont worry about that.People who call black hole's radiation as "Hawking Radiation" cannot understand certain things in life. Ignore them.

Forward | Report abuseCongratulations to Mankind!by Prashant Baldev (View MyPage) on Aug 03, 2004 09:28 PM

That is great stuff. But let us take it as a beginning. People in India who are in power, I mean positions in research organizations should takethis as a lesson, a path-breaker, in which it has been demonstrated that there is no such thing as abolute right.

Every piece of information should be put to a strict test and that too with an open mind irrespective of the SOURCE which generates such aninformation. In research studies, too much importance is unduly given to who generates the information which leads to an illogical bias andthat is dmaging to the progress of science.

Let there be INTELLECTUAL FREEDOM in the world. Such a thing will lead to the development of new concepts which would makemankind move in a desirable direction. Let there be openness. Let us all enjoy this marvellous condition of human society where everybodyis given an equal right to think, express and present the ideas and which can be debately on the basis of the intrinsic worth of the informationand not pre-judged on the basis of 'achieved' position of the source of information. That will herald the dawn of a new era of human
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