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Our Ref: 29N.PA0043 P.A.Reg.Rcf: Your Ref: The Extra Special Kids' Group of Ireland C/0 Michelle Forde 25 Lower Derrnane Road Turners Cross Cork City 8th October 2015 Dear Madam, Re: Health Infrastructure Development comprising National Paediatric Hospital, Innovation Centre and Family Accommodation Unit at St James' Hospital Campus, Satellite Centres at Tallaght & Connolly Hospitals and Construction Compound at Davitt Road, Dublin. An Bord Pleamila An Bord Pleanala has received your recent submission in relation to the above mentioned proposed development and will take it into consideration in its determination of the matter. A receipt for the fee lodged is enclosed. The Board will revert to you in due course with regard to the matter. Please be advised that copies of all submissions I observations received in relation to the application will be made available for public inspection at the offices of Dublin City Council, Fingal County Council and South Dublin County Council and at the offices of An Bord Pleamila when they have been processed by the Board. If you have any queries in the meantime please contact the undersigned officer of the Board. Please quote the above mentioned An Bord Pleamila reference number in any correspondence or telephone contact with the Board. Yours faithfully, Encis. ADHOC/PA0043/0l 64 Srai<l l!atlc .\th:o Cliuth I T.:tl lUI) XltKI Tel Gl;u• \uitiil IK 1 lii1H Lt>C.tiJ L:iithrc.m Grc:o,:iin "ww.plc:onal.< tc \\.:h Hiumhphtht hnrtl0 tc I nliul fl-1 Street l>uhhn I

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Page 1: PA0043 SUB EXTRA SPECIAL KIDS GROUP.pdf

Our Ref: 29N.PA0043 P.A.Reg.Rcf:

Your Ref:

The Extra Special Kids' Group of Ireland C/0 Michelle Forde 25 Lower Derrnane Road Turners Cross Cork City

8th October 2015

Dear Madam,

Re: Health Infrastructure Development comprising National Paediatric Hospital, Innovation Centre and Family Accommodation Unit at St James' Hospital Campus, Satellite Centres at Tallaght & Connolly Hospitals and Construction Compound at Davitt Road, Dublin.

An Bord Pleamila

An Bord Pleanala has received your recent submission in relation to the above mentioned proposed development and will take it into consideration in its determination of the matter. A receipt for the fee lodged is enclosed.

The Board will revert to you in due course with regard to the matter.

Please be advised that copies of all submissions I observations received in relation to the application will be made available for public inspection at the offices of Dublin City Council, Fingal County Council and South Dublin County Council and at the offices of An Bord Pleamila when they have been processed by the Board.

If you have any queries in the meantime please contact the undersigned officer of the Board. Please quote the above mentioned An Bord Pleamila reference number in any correspondence or telephone contact with the Board.

Yours faithfully,

En cis.

ADHOC/PA0043/0l

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Our Ref: 29N.PA0043 P.A.Reg.Ref:

Your Ref:

Paul O'Neill National Paediatric Hospital Development Board C/0 G.V.A. Planning & Regeneration Floor 2, Seagrave House 19-20 Earlsfort Terrace Dublin 2

5th October 2015

Dear Sir,

Re: Health Infrastructure Development comprising National Paediatric Hospital, Innovation Centre and Family Accommodation Unit at St James' Hospital Campus, Satellite Centres at Tallaght & Connolly Hospitals and Construction Compound at Davitt Road, Dublin.

An Bord Pleanala

Enclosed for your information is a copy of submission(s) received by the Board in relation to the above mentioned proposed development.

If you have any queries in relation to the matter please contact the undersigned officer of the Board.

Please quote the above mentioned An Bord Pleamila reference number in any correspondence or telephone contact with the Board.

Yours faithfully,

En cis.

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Our Ref: 29N.PA0043 P.A.Reg.Ref:

Your Ref:

Chief Executive Officer Dublin City Council Civic Offices Wood Quay Dublin 8

5th October 20 15

Dear Sir/Madam,

Re: Health Infrastructure Development comprising National Paediatric Hospital, Innovation Centre and Family Accommodation Unit at St James' Hospital Campus, Satellite Centres at Tallaght & Connolly Hospitals and Construction Compound at Davitt Road, Dublin.

An Bord Pleamila

Enclosed for your infonnation are two copies of submissions received by the Board in relation to the above mentioned proposed development.

Please ensure that a copy of each submission is available for public inspection at the offices of the planning authority.

If you have any queries in relation to this matter please contact the undersigned officer of the Board. Please quote the above mentioned An Bord Pleanala reference number in any correspondence or telephone contact with the Board.

Yours faithfully,

Encls.

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Our Ref: 29N.PA0043 P.A.Reg.Ref:

Your Ref:

Chief Executive Officer Fingal County Council County Hall Main Street Swords County Dublin

5th October 2015

Dear Sir/Madam,

Re: Health Infrastructure Development comprising National Paediatric Hospital, Innovation Centre and Family Accommodation Unit at St James' Hospital Campus, Satellite Centres at Tallaght & Connolly Hospitals and Construction Compound at Davitt Road, Dublin.

An Bord Pleamila

Enclosed for your information are two copies of submissions received by the Board in relation to the above mentioned proposed development.

Please ensure that a copy of each submission is available for public inspection at the offices of the planning authority.

If you have any queries in relation to this matter please contact the undersigned officer of the Board. Please quote the above mentioned An Bord Pleamila reference number in any correspondence or telephone contact with the Board.

Yours faithfully,

ran Somers x cutive Officer

Direct Line:O 1-873 7107

En cis.

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An Bord Pleanala 64 Marlborough St. Dublin 1

0 2 OCT 2015 Date: 151 October 2015

Re: The National Paediatric Hospital Planning Application at St. James's Hospital

AN BORD PLEANALA Received: oL!J o It £

r I Fee: £ '5o·OO ~

Case Reference: PL29N.PA0043 Receipt No:. 613 I 2.. 3 j

Submission From The Extra Special Kids Group of Ireland Fee Enclosed €50

Michelle Forde Address for Correspondence 25 Lower Derrynane Road

Turners Cross Cork City

We are a closed Facebook group of parents that represent 150 Irish children. All our children are very sick; they have rare and complex needs and require 24 hour care. They have what the medics call 'life limiting' or 'life threatening' conditions. They have no voice or no vote in this country, but they do have a right to the best possible hospital care and we their parents are the only ones that can speak up for them.

On their behalf, we say NO to the Children's Hospital of Ireland being constructed on the proposed site at the St. James' Hospital campus in Dublin 8. We wish to make the following points regarding our concerns about the proposed development;

Wrong Location

Had the parents and families of the sick children of Ireland been asked about the right location, St. James' campus would not have been chosen. But we weren't asked. The hospital will be the only hospital serving the seriously ill children from all over Ireland, 75% of whom live outside the M50.

Access

Access is a nightmare. Speedy access to the right medical support is what our children need in a crisis, not being stuck in rush hour traffic. Minutes matter and the difficult drive be it by car or by ambulance into St. James' could limit their lives, literally. Almost all (around 90%) children are brought to hospital by car. We know that even now it can take 45 minutes to exit the StJames' site at rush hour. The approach roads are single lane and congested. All our children do not travel well by car. They get distressed. If one of our children is having a seizure or requires suctioning or oxygen and we are stuck in gridlock traffic, what would we do? If their condition deteriorated, what would we do? Minutes matter, it can be the difference between life and death for our children. Also, what about ambulances trying to access the hospital in gridlock traffic? Is it guaranteed that every ambulance transfer will go to plan and arrive to the hospital swiftly encountering no obstacles along the way? We know that emergency services are currently disrupted around the James' campus. How will they physically move gridlock traffic if the cars have nowhere to go? With regards to Garda escorts, will all ambulances require a Garda escort to the hospital to ensure no lives are lost? How many potential Garda escorts will be required daily? This is NOT acceptable both from an accessibility point of view but from a greater public point of view. Garda resources should be used for stopping crime and making our living environment secure and peaceful.

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Parking

Parking is not sufficient. For a 473 bed hospital, there will be just 675 public parking spaces. What happens on the day every child's parent park their car and every child's visiting relative parks their car, in addition to day clinic cars and the public/people attending the adult hospital? Where will we park? Many of our children are oxygen dependent and have wheelchairs, we carry a lot of equipment with us just to keep our children stable. Some children in the group have had surgeons waiting on them whilst their parents searched for parking at Crumlin and Temple Street hospitals. The same will happen at James'. This is NOT acceptable. The political concept that parents with sick children can travel to and from St James's hospital via public transport is a fantasy.

Safety and Security/Environment

Safety and security issues of an inner city centre site is of great concern to us. We know that it is not safe to go outside the hospital campuses at Temple Street and Crumlin hospitals alone once it gets dark. The same will apply to the St. James' campus. Believe us. Many of us parents were aware of car break-ins whilst our children were inpatients at Temple Street Hospital. In addition to this, the security guards at Temple Street had to escort nurses to their cars during the shift change car switch. The majority of the time, it is the mother who accompanies the child to the hospital and stays with their child. Getting a dinner at night time or a break from the hospital should not have to be a worrying experience. Every mother in the group has said that they will not feel safe at James'. Can our safety be guaranteed or will we be like prisoners having to stay within the hospital building itself whilst we are there, which can be for months at a time. This is NOT acceptable.

Space/Expansion

The hospital has been shoehorned into a restricted site with no room for expansion. It's been proven from existing hospitals all over the world that they double in size every 1 0-20 years. There will be no room for that at St. James'. We are also worried that planned services to be included on site will be moved off campus as there is simply not enough room. You don't have to be an architect, walking around the St. James' site to know that the children's hospital, along with the adult hospital and the maternity hospital just won't fit in there. How or why was it chosen when it's doomed to fail? St. James' campus is a long narrow campus of 49 acres, 10 of which are owned on leasehold by Trinity College. It is difficult to see how all three hospitals will be squeezed into the remaining space and leave room for expansion which all these hospitals will inevitably need. What happens in 10 - 15 years time when the children's hospital has reached its expansion capacity of 20-30% which is all that is currently allowed for in the plans ... ~!! we need....to-bt:Jil , - , ren's hospital elsewhere to cover the clinical requirements? This h~;Pl~~iOOelffitrt'O-f1~~~ cl ss facility that will last for the .next 100 ye~rs to include all prima ~.~cialties for Jnesent and f re demand? The lack of spatial opportunity (for whatever use) t artn1s site presents 1s NOT acceptable. 0 2 OCT 2015

LTR·OATEO FROM __ ...,

PL

The previous site at the Mater was originally deemed to be the most appropriate site for this hospital. Why now is the James' site the most appropriate? Surely, it's the second most appropriate site? Given the obvious change in political views one might question or indeed challenge if either site is suitable? Who is driving the policies here? It was bad enough wasting €40+ million on the Mater location which was rejected for valid environmental, physical and medical reasons, how many more millions will we waste on the St. James' site which is just as bad? The meter is running for the taxpayer. This is NOT acceptable.

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In Summary

WRONG LOCATION

INSUFFICIENT PARKING

NO ROOM FOR EXPANSION

POOR ACCESS N BORO PLEANALA

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D 2 OCT 2015 LTR·DATEO FROM PL --- ----1

SECURITY ISSUES

WASTE OF MONEY

We support Jonathan Irwin of the Jack & Jill Children's Foundation and many others opposed to the St. James' campus, with the option of moving the hospital location to a green field site at Connolly Hospital in Blanchardstown on the M50. We wish to make the following points regarding our support for this particular site;

• It would be easily accessible to the entire country by car or by ambulance. lives will be saved. Hard shoulders are already provided along the M50 for emergency services, such as ambulances (i.e. grid lock traffic can be bypassed, unlike a city centre site)

• It would have the potential to provide unlimited parking, increased to meet future needs as they develop.

• There would be minimal security and safety issues as the site is over ten times bigger than James' so there will be ample green space to enjoy and facilities nearby that the families can avail of safely.

• This site would provide sufficient space for future expansion. It would allow for the opportunity to provide a site master plan that is flexible to meet all future needs whatever they may be. (i.e. a brown field site will NOT offer this flexibility) All future clinical criteria could be met, allowing us to construct a world class facility that will last long beyond our years.

• The cost to construct the hospital would be less on a green field site as there would be less constraints impacting the build and construction is faster. The planned maternity hospital could potentially be constructed at the same time as the children's hospital.

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We launched a Facebook campaign last Friday, 251h September. As of 1st October 2015, we have received

the following support:

• We have reached almost 600,000 people • We have received 10,819 likes • We have received 5,881 shares • We have received 453 comments in support of our campaign.

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We are speaking out for our children who will be the primary users of this hospital, but we are also speaking out for all the other children of Ireland that will require the use of this facility in the future. We are more than 150 voices. We are the people of Ireland.

Hospital should be stressful because your child is ill, not because the hospital environment itself stresses you out because it's unsuitable, unsafe, inaccessible, just wrong. If we have to endure what is being proposed for St. James', we will have failed our children and generations to come. The only thing going for this planned facility is the fact that it's a new building, but it can be a new building in the right location if the site is changed.

We would like our voices heard and to represent the sick children of Ireland at the oral hearing.

Signed

For and On Behalf of

The Extra Special Kids Group of Ireland

Dated

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