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IstheIndianAirForcestrongerthanthePakistaniAirForce?

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AirSuperiorityFighterTheAircraftwhichisabletogainandmaintainairsuperiorityoverEnemy'sAirspace.

MultiroleAircraft'sTheAircraft'swhichcanperformbothAirAirandAirGroundMissions.

FighterAircraft'sAircraftsDesignedprimarilyforAirAirMissions.

AttackAircraftorAttackBomberTheonewithroleofcarryingairstrikesmeansAir

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GroundMissions.

Interceptorisatypeoffighteraircraft designedspecificallytopreventsuccessfulmissionsbyenemy aircraft,particularlybombers andreconnaissanceaircraft .

TwinjetHaving2Engines.

BVR'sBeyondVisualRangemissiles.

IAFIndianAirForce,PAFPakistanAirForce

Soiwoulddividerestofmyanswerintocategoriesmakingiteasytocompareandunderstand.

Firstlyoverallcomparisonwouldbebetweenfixedwingaircrafts...

AirSuperiorityFighter

IndianAirForce

(AsPakistanAirforceDon'thaveanythingtocounterit,soiwouldbecomparingspecsoftheseinMultiroleSection*)

SukhoiSu30MKIThewellknownaircraftaswellasTheBestAircraftinIndianAirForceInventoryAround220(tobearound280till20182019upgradedwithSuperSukhoiStandards)

Su30MKItheoriginalversiondolaggedatvariousplacesforroleinIAFbutMKIis

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versionspeciallymadeforIndiawithspecificIndianconfigurations.

MikoyanMig29(beingupgradedtoMig29UPG)

Around69inNumber

Mig29UPGwillbebestofallotherMig29'sclasses.



Assaidabovethesesetof290~Aircrafts(expected350)AreAirSuperiorityFightersCapableenoughtoprojectpoweroverEnemy'sAirspaceBothBeingUpgradedwithBestAvionicswhileSu30'sformingapartofNuclearTriadwouldbeabletocarrymissileslikeSupersonicBrahMosandlaterNirbhayaswell.

DuetotheirpurposeandSUPERIORAvionicsTheseareMINIAWACSflyingintheAirSpaceandcanactasdirectororcommandpostforotheraircrafts

WhileUpcomingHALTEJASarenotcountedwhichaswellareAIRSuperiorityFighters

MultiroleAircraft's

India'sInventoryinclude



SU30MKI220272

MIG2969

HALTejasMark1A

DassaultMirrage200051

Pakistan'sInventoryInclude

JF17Thunder59

F16FightingFalcon76

DassaultMirrage375

JF17PAF

ThisisonlythelatestAircraftinPakistan'sAirForceInventory



Firstlyitwasdevelopedtoreplace

MirrageIIIfightersand

F7Interceptors

TheMainAimwastoprovideafrontlineaircraftathalfthecost

Soit'susefulspecifications

Maximumspeed :Mach1.6(1,217.9mph1,960.1km/h)

Combatradius :1,352km(840mi)

Ferryrange :3,482km(1,880NM)



Serviceceiling :16,920m(55,500ft)

Hardpoints7

ButwhattypeofaircraftitiscomparabletoIAFInventory?

SukhoiSu30?No

Mig29?No

Mirrage?No

AtleastLCATEJAS?Never

ComparingtoLCATEJASIAF



MainAimwastoreplaceMig21'sasAIRSUPERIORITYFIGHTERButevenbotheredaboutcostorsomethingelselimitingit?Never

IT'sastateofartweaponssystemlimitedbynothing

HavingHardStealthConfigurationit'scomparabletojetslikeEUROFIGHTERTYPHOONS

MaximumSpeed :Mach1.8

Range:3,000km(1,620nmi,1,864mi)

Combatradius :500km(270nmi,311mi)

Ferryrange:1,700km(1,056mi)

Serviceceiling :15,240m(50,000ft)



Hardpoints:8(1beneaththeportsideintaketrunkfortargetingpods,6wing,and1fuselage)

DifferenceinJF17andTejas

MainFrameofJF17ismetali.ealloyswhileTejashavelatestCarbonFiberCompositesandTitaniumAllowsitmakesitbothlighterandstrongeratatime.

TejasAvionicsaresuperiorwithagreatdifference,TejasHaveadvancedAESAradarthatcantrack64targetsatatimewhileJF17cantracktotalof10targets__aswellasElectronicWarfareSuiteinTejasismuchadvanced!

FightControlSystemagainTejaswinsoverJF17whichhasrelaxedstaticstability(stableinairlikeourcarsarestableandgostraightinlinewhenwheelsaretunedevenwhenleftsteeringuntouched)aquadruplexwithflybywiretoeasepilotevenmore!

HaveDigitalFlightcontrolComputerwhichrunsonADAProgramminglanguage.

WhileJF17isnotastabledaircraftlikeTejasandFlybywireismust,innewversiontheyareplanningnightstrikecapabilitywhileTejasalreadypossesit.

ControlComputerrunC++:)YeahtheylagAdaProfessionals.

ComingtoEnginesasTejaswasfirstsaidtonothavegoodThrust/Weightratiobeforewith89knthrustwillhavenow9899KnThrustEngine



WhileJfHave85KnThrust(afterburn)

AntiAirMissilestobecarrier

Jf17carrymostlyShortrange(810km,135km,4.5km,116km)and1BVRtypewith70100Kmrange

TejascarryAstra2080kmrange

AdvancedDerby50kmrange

Python5105kmrange

R7780100kmrange

R7330kmrange

SotheseareAntiAircraftMissilesandclearlyTejasWinsHereaswellasitanAIRSuperiorityFighter.

ThankstoIndianMediatoRuintheimageofTejasbutletmemakeclear,thatmajorcomplaintsarereplacedinMark1AwhichIndianAirforceisgoingtoInductofTejaswithnewelectronicwarfareequipment,betterairtoaircapability,aerialrefuelingandimprovedeaseofmaintenanceandtheDRDOandHALpromisedanimprovedTejasMark1Aversion,changestotheballastandlandinggearwillreduceitsweightby1,000kg.

A6500kgaircraft(assaidin2013)with1000kgreducedandnewenginewithgreaterthrustwillmakeitmorecomplimentary.

IndianmediajustoverhypedthatTejasdon'thavethisandthatwhileIAFbeforealsofoundissuesinSU30ofwhichmodifiedversionisInductedspeciallymadeforIndia.



IAFalsoreportedmanyissueswithPAKFAandhencewillgetFGFAthemodifiedversionagain.

SojustIAFStandardsarehighandyesitinductsonlybestaircraftsaccordingtoit'sneedandsamewillgoforinductingTejas!

SomemayDebateaboutrangeImaytellthatRangeofTejasisnotClearaspernowit'snotreviledPastitwassaidtobe500kmbutIthasreduced1000kgweightandreplacedanewengineasyoumayseewikiarticleatsametimesaysitrangeof3000km(CombatRadiusisusuallyhalfofrangeornearabout)andsametimeitsaysCombatRadius550kmsoit'slikelyimprovedinMark1AversionwithInFlightRefuelingandonboardoxygenmakingcapabilities!

OrJustthinkthatJF7alsohasweightofaround6500KGandmax12500kgfortakeoffandthattoowithengineofjust49.9Kndryand84.6withafterburnersthatleavessmoketrailbehinditcancover1352kmradius!

WhileTejaswassaidtoweight6500kgandMax13500kgfortakeoffandasperreportsithasreduced1000kg~fromBodyweight.

Whilebeforewith54Kndrythrustand89.9Knwithafterburnerswassaidtohave550kmradiusbutnownotonlyweightbutenginesalsowiththrustof9899Knwouldbeprovidedsoexpecttheimprovedradius!

F16FightingFalconPAF



BLOCK50has

Maximumspeed:

Atsealevel:Mach1.2(915mph,1,470km/h)

Ataltitude:Mach2(1,320mph,2,120km/h)cleanconfigurationCombatradius:340mi(295nmi,550km)onahilohimissionwithfour1,000lb(450kg)bombs

Ferryrange:2,280nmi(2,620mi,4,220km)withdroptanks

Serviceceiling:50,000+ft(15,240+m)

RateofClimb:50,000ft/min(254m/s)



HardpointsMax11inwhich2usedforsensors

ComparingtoDassaultMirrage2000IAF

Maximumspeed:Mach2.2(2,530+km/h,1,500+mph)athighaltitude/1,110km/h(690mph)atlowaltitude



Range:1,550km(837nmi,963mi)

Ferryrange:3,335km(1,800nmi,2,073mi)withauxiliaryfuel

Serviceceiling:17,060m(59,000ft)

Rateofclimb:285m/s(56,000ft/min)

HardpointsMax9

Differences

FirstlyIndianMirragesarebeingupgradedtomostadvancedMirragewithNewstealthierAvionics,replacingcockpitanddatabuswithglasscockpit,providinghelmetmountedsight,newweaponsystemandcompatibilitywithmoretypeofmissiles,wholeairframewouldbestrippeddowntoberewiredandreequippedwithnewmissioncomputersaswellastoprovidebetterelectronicwarfaresuite!

SoDifferencenow

PAKMarriagesmostarebeingupgradedtoOCU(OperationCapabilityUpgrade)(40+14=54)thatisjustanengineupgradetoreducestallmainly.

WhilePAFhaveonly18(near1Squarton)Block50/52unitsofFalconthisittheonlylatestblockwithPAFofFalconsbutthisversionisnotthelatestinitseries.

SoMainlyPAFFalconslagbehindMirragesinvariousplaces

MirrageswouldhavelatestavionicwhilenotsoforFalconsasonlyfewarenew.



MirragescanoverrunFalconsandcanattain9000ftaltitudemorethanFalcons.

WithnewtypesofmissilesandweaponsystemMirrageagainhashighergrounds.

FalconslagintypeofBVRmissilescarriedaswell!

AsyouseeFalconscan'toutperformMirrages2000evensocomparingwithAirSuperiorityFighterslikeMIG29UPGandSU30MKIwouldbecheating!

AsComparedIAFarsenalwithmainAircraftsinPAFnowseparatingbothforease

PAFLEFTOUT



DassaultMirrage375innumber

Maximumspeed:Mach2

Combatrange:1,200km(746mi648nmi)

Ferryrange:3,335km(2,072mi1,801nmi)


Whichcancarry2Rocketsand2Missiles

TheseareOLD2ndGenerationjetswhichwerelasttriedtoupgradein2000's



inwhich33onlywerecapablymorderanisedunderPROJECTROSEwithheadupdisplay,electroncountermeasures,flaresandinternalnavigationsystem+GPSandnowadaystheyaretryingtofitinflightrefuelingcapability

ButactuallythesearewayoldAircraftandarecapabletocounternothinginIAFInventory!

Sorrynothingmoretosay.

IAFLEFTOUT

SukhoiSu30MKI



Tobe272withSuperSukhoiUpgrades

Asit'sthemostcapableoperationjetfighterinIAFInventoryitrulestheskies!

TheywillcomewithLatestAESARadarTracking30targetsandengaging6atatimeinAttackModeandonceUpgradedwillofferreducedradarsignaturemakingthemSUPERSUKHOIS

NotonlythistheywillbecarryingnewtypesMissileswith300kmrangeforbothGroundaswellasAir



Meteor(AIRAIR)missilethathasrangeof100300Kmforairtoaircombatcompatibilitywillbeadded.

Brahmos(AIRGround)missilethathasrangeof300KmswhileBlock3witharound500Kms+alsowouldbecompatibleafterupgrade

ThesearethejetsthatCanPerformmostadvanced3Dmaneuvers.CapabilitypossessedbysomeMigsandSukhoisonly

Maximumspeed:Mach2.0(2,100km/hor1,300mph)ataltitude1,350km/h,839mphneargroundlevel

Range:3,000km(1,620nmi)ataltitude(1,270km,690nmineargroundlevelwithnoexternalfueltanks)

Ferryrange:8,000km(4,320nmi)withtwoinflightrefuelings

Endurance:3.75hrs(upto10hrswithinflightrefueling)


Rateofclimb:>300m/s(>45,275ft/min)

Hardpoints12andcanbeincreasedtoMax14andcancarry8tonnesofexternalstores

SpeciallyCanCarry

AIRAIRofrangeupto400kmsaswell,knownasAWA&CKillers

3Brahmosatatime



MostlyitcarriesBVR'sonlyasit'saAirSuperiorityFightermainlyaimingBeyondVisualCombat

MikoyanMiG29

Around69innumbercompletingtheirUpgradestomostadvancedversionoftheirclassthatisMIG29UPG



[OnaVisittoRussia(Mig29UPG),inBackgroundRussianAircrafts)]

StandardVersion

Maximumspeed:Mach2.25(2,400km/h,1,490mph)Atlowaltitude:Mach1.25(1,500km/h,930mph)

Range:1,430km(772nmi,888mi)withmaximuminternalfuel[193]

Ferryrange:2,100km(1,300mi)withexternaldroptanks


Rateofclimb:initial330m/saverage109m/s06000m(65,000ft/min

Hardpoints7

TheupgradetolatestMiG29UPGstandardisinprocess,whichwillincludelatestavionics,ZhukMERadar,engine(RD33series3),weaponcontrolsystems,enhancingmultirolecapabilitiesbymanyfold.Theupgradewillalsoincludeanewcockpitergonomics,airtoairmissiles,highaccuracyairtogroundmissilesand"smart"aerialbombs.

AswellasitsalsoanAirSuperiorityfighter.

AttackAircrafts



PAFhaveonly1typethatisDassaultMirrage5it'salsoawayold2ndgenerationbomberderivedfromMirrageIIIfighter

Followingspecificationof5Fadvancedversion

Maximumspeed:Mach2.2+(2,350km/h,1,268knots,1,460mph)at12,000m(39,400ft)



Cruisespeed:956km/h(516knots,594mph)

Combatradius:1,250km(675nmi,777mi)hilohiprofile,payloadtwo400kgbombandmaxexternalfuel

Ferryrange:4,000km[34](2,158nmi,2,485mi)


Hardpoints7

PakHasonly34VariantsofAdvanced5FVersionimprovedunderPROJECTROSEitimprovedit'scapabilitiesalotbutstillonly34wereupgradedandcancarrynightmissions

OverallPAFhas82aircraftsofthistypeandcandelivernuclearweapons!

IAFHas2typesoverall230innumber

SEPECATJaguar



TheIndianAirForceplanstoupgradeupto125Jaguarsstartingin2013byupgradingtheavionics(includingmultimoderadar,autopilotandotherchanges)aspartoftheDARINIIIprogramandisconsideringfittingmorepowerfulengines.

It'salsoanoldbomberthatIndiaisupgradingtoserveitslasttimeinIAFInventory,

Maximumspeed:Mach1.6(1,699km/h,917knots,1,056mph)at11,000m(36,000ft)

Combatradius:908km(490nmi,564mi)(lololo,externalfuel)

Ferryrange:3,524km(1,902nmi,2,190mi)




Hardpoints5

SoafterupgradingitfromHeadtoBottommaybetheycanserveADecadeorTwo

overallit'sagooddeeppenetrationstrikerservedexcellentlyinKargilWar

Theseare145innumberandalsoserveinNavalStrikeRole

RESTareMIG27thatisgoingtoretireandwouldnotserveanymoreeventhoughitwas3rdgenerationBombertheyare85innumberandaregoingtobereplacedbyHALTEJASwhichismuchadvancedaircraft.

INTERCEPTORS

BothIAFAndPafhasobsoleteversion,IAFisretiringittill2018,don'tknowaboutPAF.

IAFMIG21's245innumberupgradedaround150toberetireduntilTejasSquartonsStartarrivingasMassProductionhasbeensaidtooccurreportsdefenseministerinSeptember2015

PAFHasF7PreplicasofMIG21185innumbertheywouldbereplacingitbyJF17s.



TransportAircrafts

PAF

Hasthemjustforthesakeoftheirnameinthiscategory



(Boeing707)

OLD1958'sBoeing707thatisonlyheavylifttransport2innumberwithPAF

1MediumliftTransportthatalsoCrewFledfromAfghantoPakistaninMid1980'sandthenitisservinginPAF

4MultiRoleTankerTransportthatcanactasrefuelingtakersandshiftingpassengers(1atatime)

Overall43leavingVIPTransports

InHelicopterstheyhave45MI17helicoptersandFranceAloutte3around95

(Mi17)



IAF

TOTAL244leavingVIPTransports

41Heavyliftalone

RESTotherBIGSmallAircrafts

(BoeingC17)

InHelicopter



AttackHelicopters

HalChetakusedbyIAFforAntiTankpurposeswhileotherhavebeenshiftedtoAviationCops(Around300werethere)now74

20MI35tobereplacedbyApachescomingsoon

(APACHEAH64)

HalRudra7deliveredand38onorder

HalLCH3deliveredand65onorder



(HALLCH)

(IndiaForceswouldhavearound310+Attackhelicopters(IAF+AviationCopscombined)

Rest363helicopters~while50morearecomingsoonandmoreonorder!(TransportandUtility)Mostlyheavyfortransport!

HereIMayEndComparingAircrafts



UsuallywhileComparingAirForceswejustcompareAircraftsandleaveitbutthereissomethingcalled

AirDefenses

NotiflowrangeAntiAirgunsbutsurelyAntiAirMissilesneedtobebothered!

WhentalkingaboutIAFInventorySomeAntiAircraftmissilesystemsare

[OnlyHighAltitude]

Akash

Trishul

S125

S200

S300

Barak8

SPYDERMRsystems

Thesetypesystemscannotonlyshootdownaircraftsupto60,000ftbutalsocanshootdownballisticmissilesandguidedbombs!!



IfWetalkaboutPAF

Theydon'thaveanyhighaltitudeantiairsystems

LowAltitudesystemslikeCortalemissiles(30,000ftmax)

andFm90(20,000ftmax)areonlytypeantiairmissileswithPAF.

Conclusion

OverallimayconcludethatPakistanforcesbeitarmy,navyorairforcetrytohavenumberratioof1:2withthatofIndianForcesbutwhentalkedaboutbudgettheyhave1:61:7meanswith67timeslessbudgettheystillwanthalfthenumberofforcescomparedtoIndianforcehencetheyarelackingintechnologyandmodernization.

Eg

Jf17costeffectivebutonlyrepresentnumbercountinfrontofIndianAirForces



Jf17(expected250)andF16(76)aretheonlyAircraftswearegoingtoseewiththemfornextDecadeAtleast!

WhileIndianAirForce

InsteadofDefensiveforceit'sturningintoOffensiveasyoumaynoticetheyareinductingonlyAirSuperiorityFighterswhichareCostliestClassofAircrafts

Andwhatisrepresentingit'sfleetovernextdecade

FGFA160~

Su30MKI272

Mig29'sUPG69

Mirragelatestversion51

HALTEJAS120~(+)

DassaultRafael36

NoSassyjokesonMIG21anymore!!!

YouseeallareAirSuperiorityfightersandIAFisgettingridofeveryoldaircraftandhelicopterinthisdecade.



Iamcountinglessastheyaim42Squartonsin1Decadeand1Squarton=20aircrafts

SoIAFisfarbetterandstrongerwhencomparedtoPAFinnumberaswellaspowerandwouldcontinuetobebetterifnotmuchbutatleast2Decadesfurtherasofnow!Atlasteveniftheygotmoneystillaircraftsneedtobebuiltasit'snotaCarShowroomthatwemaygo,buyandoptfornextdayhomedelivery!

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Iopenlywelcomealltheopinionstoimprovethearticleandifyoufinditboringthenpleasetextwhichpartyoufindboring,majoritywouldbeworkedupon!:)

Andpleasedon'ttalkrandomthingslikeifPilotsarebetterPAFcandothisandthat,letmetellyouinexample

InastraightlineBikeraceyou(BestRider)haveabikethatcanmaxgoat60miles/hrwhileyouropponent(PoorBiker)hasbikethatcangoat100miles/hrthenwhateveryoudoheisgonnaoutrunyouontrack.

SameissituationofJF17(Backbone)ofPAF!evenafterleavingcrucialthingslikemaneuvers,missiles,IAFpilotsetc!

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WhenwearepreparingtomeetthechallengeofbothChineseandPakistaniattackssimultaneously,doesthisquestionevenmakesense?

IndianAirForcenowcapableofmeetingtwinchallengefromChina,Pakistan,saysources

In1965war,IndianVintageGnatFightersdefeatedUSsuppliedadvancedF86SabreinaerialcombatwhichwasahugeshocktothePAF

ChandrahasRao,DefenceAnalyst1.9kViewsChandrahasisaMostViewedWriterinIndianArmedForces.



PAFF86Sabre

F86SabreswereconsideredoneofthebestandmostimportantfighteraircraftfortheUSAFintheKoreanwar,theF86isalsoratedhighlyincomparisonwithfightersofothereras

IAFFollandGnat

FollandGnatwasneverusedasafighterbytheRoyalAirForce(RAF),onlytheGnatT.1trainervariantwaswidelyused.TheGnatbecamewellknownastheaircraftoftheRAF's



aerobaticteam

Imaginethis,IAFpilotswhowereflying'trainer'aircraftsdefeatedtopnotchUSFighterF86Sabre.

Iwanttoreinforcethepointthattoday,IAFhasthenumbers,thetechnologyandtheskillsandstrategytodefeatPAF,tobeprecise:

TwohundredandfortytwoSukhoi30MKIs

1FighterAircraftStrength

IND679

PAK304

WithfighterAircraftssuchasSukhoi30MKI,MIRAGE2000,Mig29,JAGUAR,IndianAirforcecanoverwhelmtheirenemywithsheernumbers



2TotalAircrafts

IND2086

PAK923

With1163moreaircraftsprovidingfiresupport,logisticalsupportandtransportation,IsitawonderthatIAFscoresmuchhigheronmobilitythantheirenemy



Incaseyoustillhavedoubtsoverthe1965airoperations,IrestmycasewiththeGlorious1971VictoryfortheIAF:

In1971,IAFachievedcompleteairdominanceoverBangladesh,usingthesameGnats&HunteraircraftandsuccessfullycarriedouthundredsofsortiestodestroykeyenemyinstallationstherebyhelpingtheIndianArmyquicklycaptureDhaka&90,000POW



IAFOperationsinWestPakistan:

WhileIndia'sgriponwhathadbeenEastPakistantightened,theIAFcontinuedtopresshomeattacksagainstPakistanitself.Thecampaigndevelopedintoaseriesofdaylightantiairfield,antiradarandclosesupportattacksbyfighters,withnightattacksagainstairfieldsandstrategictargetsbybombers

ThePAF'sF6swereemployedmainlyondefensivecombatairpatrolsovertheirownbases,butwithoutairsuperioritythePAFwasunabletoconducteffectiveoffensiveoperations,anditsattackswerelargelyineffective.SporadicraidsbytheIAFcontinuedagainstPakistan'sforwardairbasesintheWestuntiltheendofthewar,andlargescaleinterdictionandclosesupportoperations,andweremaintained.

ThePAFplayedamorelimitedpartintheoperations,andwerereinforcedbyF104sfromJordan,MiragesfromanunidentifiedMiddleEasternally(remainsunknown)andbyF86sfromSaudiArabia.TheirarrivalhelpedcamouflagetheextentofPakistan'slosses.LibyanF5swerereportedlydeployedtoSargodha,perhapsasapotentialtrainingunittopreparePakistanipilotsforaninfluxofmoreF5sfromSaudiArabia.



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TheIAFwasabletoconductawiderangeofmissionstroopsupportaircombatdeeppenetrationstrikesparadroppingbehindenemylinesfeintstodrawenemyfightersawayfromtheactualtargetbombingandreconnaissance.

Incontrast,thePakistanAirForce,whichwassolelyfocusedonaircombat,wasblownoutofthesubcontinentsskieswithinthefirstweekofthewar.ThosePAFaircraftthatsurvivedtookrefugeatIranianairbasesorinconcretebunkers,refusingtoofferafight

Irepeat,IAFhas679Fighteraircraftsincluding242Su30comparedto304ofPAF,nowreadtheansweragaintodecideforyourself

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Thisactuallyshouldnothavebeenaquestion.TheIndianAirForce(IAF)isthefourthlargestAirForceintheworldaftertheUSAirForce,RussianAirForceandPLAAF(ChineseAirForce).ItmeansthattheIAFholdsaclearquantitativeadvantageoverthethePakistanAirForce(PAF).

Now,comingtothequality.TheJF17Thunder,jointlybuiltbyChinaandPakistanisthemostadvancedaircraftinPAFinventorywhereastheIndoRussianSu30MKIisIAF'stopnotch.Iamcomparingthebestfightersofboththeairforcessothatwegetthebestresults.

1)Design

JF17:TheJF17designisbasedonChineseF7(aderivativeofMiG21).Thedesignisold,conventionalandlacksinnovation.TheJF17airframecansustainupto+8g.

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Su30MKI:TheSu30MKIhasauniquethreesurfacedesign,whichincorporatescanards,wingsandhorizontalstabilizers(stabilators).Thedesignmakestheaircraftsupermaneuverablewithnearzerostallspeed.Su30MKI'sairframecanwithstand+9g.

2)Radar

JF17:TheChineseKLJ7radarusedbyJF17hasamaximumdetectionrangeofabout135kilometers.InTrackWhileScan(TWS)mode,theradarcantrackupto10targetsatatimeandcanengage2ofthemsimultaneously.

Su30MKI:TheSu30MKIusesN011MBarsradar,whichisjointlydevelopedbyIndiaandRussia.TheN011Mhasascanningrangeof400kilometersandcantracktargetsfrom200kilometers.InTWSmode,theradarcantrackupto15targetsandengage4ofthematatime.

3)Armament

JF17:TheJF17hastotal7hardpoints(pylonsthatholdordnance).2onwingtips,4underwingsand1underfuselage.

ApartfromtheAmericanAIM9Sidewinder,theJF17cancarry4typesofChineseshortrangemissiles.ItusestheChinesePL12missileforBVRcombat,whichhasamaximumrangeof100kilometers.

Su30MKI:TheSu30MKIisaheavyfighterandhas12harpoints.2onwingtips,6underwings,2underenginenacellesand2betweentheengines.Theharpointscanbeincreasedto14usingmultipleejectorracks.

TheSu30MKIcanbeequippedwithvariousshortrange,mediumrangeandlongrangemissiles.TheshortestrangemissileamongtheMKI'sradarguidedmediumrangeordnanceistheR77Adder,whichhasarangeof100kilometers.ThelongrangeNovatorKS172AAMLmissilejointlydevelopedbyIndiaandRussiahasarangeof400kilometers.

4)Overallperformance

JF17:



Topspeed:Mach1.6

Combatradius:1,352km

Serviceceiling:55,500ft

Thrust/weight:0.95

Su30MKI:

Topspeed:Mach2+

Combatradius:3,000km

Serviceceiling:56,800ft

Thrust/weight:0.96

Bytheabovecomparison,it'sclearthatSu30MKIisfarmuchsuperiortotheJF17.AnalysisbyforeignagencieshasshownthattheJF17isalsoinferiortotheHALTejas(whichaccordingtoIAFisalowperformance,lowcostaircraft).WhenthemostadvancedaircraftofthePAFcannotmatchtheperformanceofIAF'slightfighter,there'snoneedtocompareotherofitsaircraft.

ApartfromitsinferiorequipmentanothercripplingfactorforPAFisitsdependency.IndiahasplayedamajorroleindevelopmentofSu30MKI.IndiaalsodevelopedbothprogrammablesignalprocessorsanddataprocessorsfortheN011MBarsradarunderproject'Vetrivale'.ThesameprocessorsareusedbytheRussianAirForcetoo.Ontheotherhand,theJF17isdesignedanddevelopedentirelyinChinaandjustmanufacturedinPakistan.TheHALTejashasbeenentirelydesignedanddevelopedbyIndia.MostofPAF'sfightersandmissilesdependuponAmericanGPSsystemfornavigation,buttheAmericansystemworksasperAmerica'swill!IAFalsousedtobedependentupontheGPSearlier.But,duringtheKargilWar,theUSAdisabledIAF'sGPSnavigation,forcingthepilotstoresorttoconventionalnavigationmethods.TakingalessonfromKargil,IndiadevelopeditsownIndianRegionalNavigationSatelliteSystem(IRNSS).

5thGenFighter:Indiaiscurrentlyworkingon2fifthgenerationfighterprojects.FGFA




isbeingdevelopedasajointventurebetweenIndiaandRussia.TheprototypeofFGFAisreadyandundergoingtrialsinRussia.ApartfromFGFA,IndiaisalsodevelopingHALAMCA,whichwillbeIndia'sindigenouslydevelopedfifthgenerationfighter.PAFasofnowhasnoplansandbudgettodeveloporpurchasefifthgenerationfighter.

TheIAFisindependentandcanfightwithoutanyforeignsupport.WhereasthePAFisdependentuponChinaforeventhemostminorthings.Hence,asIsaidearlier,therearisesnoquestionaboutwhichforceisstronger!

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YesbutinawaragainstPakistantheChinesewillsurelygetinvolvedwhichbringsinthePLAFwhichiscurrentlybiggerandstrongerthantheIAFbutwecantakemeasurestoensureoursuperiorityovertheircombinedforceswhichareasfollows.ItisnotnecessarytomakeeveryAircraftinIndiaitselfbutwhatismoreimportantistoindigenizetheSparesandMaintenancefacilitiestotherespectiveAircraftprocuredwhichisnotabigdealatalllookattheIsraeliAirForcetheyhaveAmericanjetswithbetterIsraeliAvionicsandweaponsandtheyarehappywiththatand90%ofthecountriesintheworldimportjetfightersandothertypesofAircrafts.TheMaintenanceofthefleetisalsonotabigdealwecanemployskilledcivilianworkforceforthispurposeliketheUSAFwithstateoftheartmaintenancefacilitiessetupbytheOEMandIndianmanufacturerJointventure.WemustmasterThermaldepolymerization fortheproductionofcrudeOilinthecountryitselfinlargequantitiesandreducingdependenceonimports.OrsimplymakingcrudeOilbywasteplasticformeetingbothourcivilianandmilitaryneeds.Butwhenthecuttingedge5thgenerationAirSuperiorityfightersareconcernedwemustdevelopourownthetimehascometoterminatetheLCAandfocusontheAMCAinsteadusingexpertiseandcapabilitiesgainedfromtheLCAforAMCA.TopreventdelaysandensuresuccessitmustbedevelopedbyaJointventureofHAL,ADA,Elta,IAI,Dassault,SAABandthedomesticprivatesector.IamonlymentioninghereAircraftsandSAMS.THISISTHEREQUIREDSTRUCTUREOFTHEIAF

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Thisisahypotheticalquestion.Military"Strength"comprisesacomplexcombinationofmanytangibleandintangiblefactorsMilitaryhistoryshowsthatthetruestrengthoftheArmedForcesistestedonlyinwar.

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IndianAirForceisstrongascomparedtoPakistanAirForce.IndianAirForcehasmanymoreaircraftsincomparisontoPakistan.Indiahas240groundattackaircraftsbutPakistanhas0.Indiahas250transportaircraftsandPakistanhasonly61.Indiahas590+fighteraircraftsandPakistanhas370+.Indiahas19+specialmissionaircraftsandPakistanhas10.Indiahas690+transportutilityhelicoptersandPakistanhas320+.Indiahas240+trainingaircraftsandPakistanhas210.PakistanAirForceisnowherenearIndianAirForceanddoingcomparisonisnotworthy.

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TheIAFisbetterthanthePAFinmostofthefields.1.IAFhasaround215Su30MKIwhichismuchbetterthanthePAFF16.

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2.Indiahasalsorecentlyacquired36FrenchRafaleswhicharebetterthananyaircraftinthePAFinventory.3.BothIAFandPAFhavealmostsamenumberofAWACS.ButthephalconAWACSofIndiaarefarbetterthantheirPakistanicounterparts.4.IAFhasgreaternumberoffighteraircraftsandstrikeaircrafts.5.IndiagetsadvancedavionicsfromRussia,IsraelandFranceandalsoR&DdepartmentsofIndiaarefarbetterandwellfundedteamthePakistaniones.6.EarlieriwasledtobelievethatPAFpilotsarebetterthanIAFones,butconsideringthatIndiahasmoreandbettertraineraircraftsandalsofrequentlyconductstrainingwithothernationsI'dsayiafpilotsareequalifnotbetterthanPAFpilots.

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AsageneralrulethepowerofAirForceisascertainedbynumberoffighteraircraftsreadytotakeoffataparticulargiventime.Inadditiontoitfiringpowerofarmsandammunitionandstrikingrangeoftheplanesinsidetheenemyterrritoryalsomatters.InmyviewIndiaisleadinginallaspectsofairsuperioritywhencomparedtoPakistan.


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HiAbhishek,Youaretrue.WecanbeatPAKorevenCHINAinallsectorsandinallfieldsifweplayourcardswell&negotiatewellwiththeotheraerospacepowerslikeISRAEL,USandUK.Advantage1>WehaveourindustrialbasewhichPAKdoesnothave.Advantage2>Ifwedogoodnegotiatewecanbeatchinaasmanycountrywillnotsharethetechnology/knowledge.

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IfwedosealaerospacedealsquicklyandifwedevelopgoodproductswecandefeattheChinese/PAKaerospaceindustry.

Wecannotdoalone,weneedrobustandmultilevellinkingwithnotonecountrybuymanycountriesUS,ISRAEL,UKandRUSSIA.


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Strengthdependsonnumerical,technologicalsuperiority...Asfarastechnologyisconsidered,itsallforeignacquiredequipmentswebothbeatourchestupon...TheyhaveAmerican(groundradar)andSwedish(AWACS)radarsandsodowe..SameDassaultAviationhasprovidedMiragestobothcountriesandnowprovidingRafaletoIndia..IAFhasgreaternumericalstrengthandcansustainforlongerperiodoftime..that'stheonlydifference..

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Strongerisarelativeterm.Ifwemeannumericalsuperiority,thenIAFhasabiggerfleetthanPAFandhenceenjoysnumericalgainoverthePAF.TheIAFalsohasmorehightechplanessuchasMirage2000sandtheSu30MKIwhicharebetterthanPAFF16sandMirageIIIsandVs.However,capabilitywise,thePAFandIAFdonothaveabiggap.BothemployAWACS,airrefuellers,Airdefencemissiles,advancedradars,andBVRcapabilities.Qualitatively,ThePAFdoesenjoybetterstrengthovertheIAFashasbeenevidentin1965,1971warsinwhichthekillratioofPAFtoIAFwas5:1.ThePAFisahighlyskilledairforceandemploysitsowntopgunschoolandtrainspilotsinthemiddleeasterncountriesaswellaschinesepilotsinjointexercises.ManyStrategistsplacePAFoverIAFwhenitcomestopilottrainingandquality.ThePAFalsohasfarlesscrashratesthanIAF

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althoughithaslesscapablefighters.

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IfyouareanIndianthen,Iwouldlikeyounottocomparethestrengthsandinsteadfeelproudofyourownmilitarypowerandnation.And,ifyouareaPakistani,Iwouldrequestyoutodothesame.Also,ifyouareneither,thenIwouldlikeyoutostopspreadinghatredbetweenthetwocountries(asyouwouldgainnothingoutofit).


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