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M E M O R A N D U M

To: Technical Committee on Fire Service Training

From: Jenny Depew, Project Administrator

Date: July 15, 2016

Subject: NFPA 1403 Second Draft TC FINAL Ballot Results (F2016)

According to the final ballot results, all ballot items received the necessary affirmative votes to pass ballot.

31 Members Eligible to Vote

3 Not Returned (Gagliano, Herndon Jr., O’Donnell)

17 Affirmative on All Revisions

8 Affirmative with Comment on one or more Revisions (Clouston, LeBoeuf, Lunt, Marlatt, Norwine,

Raheb, Richards Jr., Simpson)

5 Negative on one or more Revisions (Clouston, Lawrence, Lohmeyer, Lunt, Wall)

0 Abstentions

According to the final ballot results of the Supplemental Ballot on SR-19 and SR-24, all ballot items received the

necessary affirmative votes to pass ballot.

31 Members Eligible to Vote

6 Not Returned (Egelin, Gagliano, Herndon Jr., Munson Jr., O’Donnell, Rutherford)

22 Affirmative on All Revisions

2 Affirmative with Comment on one or more Revisions (LeBoeuf, Norwine)

1 Negative on one or more Revisions (Peterson)

0 Abstentions

The attached report shows the number of affirmative, negative, and abstaining votes as well as the

explanation of the vote for each revision.

To pass ballot, each revision requires: (1) a simple majority of those eligible to vote and (2) an

affirmative vote of 2/3 of ballots returned. See Sections 3.3.4.3.(c) and 4.4.10.1 of the Regulations

Governing the Development of NFPA Standards.

Second Revision No. 10-NFPA 1403-2016 [ Section No. 1.3.3 ]

1.3.3*

No person shall be in the same continuous space where a flashover is engineered to occur for the solepurpose of observation.

Submitter Information Verification

Submitter Full Name: Curt Floyd

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Submittal Date: Fri Mar 04 14:56:27 CST 2016

Committee Statement

CommitteeStatement:

After reflection this statement would cause more confusion than clarity thus it was struck.Delete associated annex material as well.

ResponseMessage:

Public Comment No. 12-NFPA 1403-2015 [Section No. A.1.3.3]

Ballot Results

This item has passed ballot

31 Eligible Voters

3 Not Returned

27 Affirmative All

0 Affirmative with Comments

1 Negative with Comments

0 Abstention

Not Returned

Gagliano, Mike

Herndon, Jr., Forest

O'Donnell, Ryan

Affirmative All

Barbour, Wesley E.

Britton, David M.

Buchanan, Jr., W. Edward

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Cannell, James R.

Egelin, Rick

Glover, William E.

Lawrence, Cortez

LeBoeuf, Roger M.

Lohmeyer, Gordon L.

Lunt, Roger

Madrzykowski, Daniel

Marlatt, F. Patrick

Morrissette, Jeffrey J.

Munson, Jr., Kevin

Norwine, Brent

Peterson, William E.

Pietzsch, Ryan N.

Raheb, Robert E.

Richards, Jr., Kenneth W.

Rossos, Daniel N.

Rutherford, Mark A.

Shaw, Daniel D.

Simpson, Gary A.

Wall, David M.

Weinstein, Steven H.

Williamson, Steven J.

Wilson, Corey

Negative with Comment

Clouston, Derrick S.

Taken out according to language in the comments.


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Second Revision No. 15-NFPA 1403-2016 [ New Section after 3.3.11 ]

3.3.12 Flow Path.

A path composed of at least one intake opening, one exhaust opening, and the connecting volumebetween the openings with the direction of the flow within the path determined by the difference inpressure where heat and smoke in a higher-pressure area will flow through openings toward areas oflower pressure, and cool, dense ambient air at atmospheric pressure will flow through openings intoareas of lower pressure.




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Submittal Date: Sat Mar 05 07:33:42 CST 2016

Committee Statement

CommitteeStatement:

This comment is an output of the Ch 4 Task Group to address the need to improve the firedynamics knowledge of the students while providing a controlled training environment.

ResponseMessage:

Public Comment No. 26-NFPA 1403-2015 [New Section after 3.3.11]

Ballot Results


31 Eligible Voters

3 Not Returned

27 Affirmative All



0 Abstention

Not Returned

Gagliano, Mike


O'Donnell, Ryan

Affirmative All

Barbour, Wesley E.


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Britton, David M.


Cannell, James R.

Egelin, Rick

Glover, William E.

Lawrence, Cortez

LeBoeuf, Roger M.

Lohmeyer, Gordon L.

Lunt, Roger


Marlatt, F. Patrick


Munson, Jr., Kevin

Norwine, Brent


Pietzsch, Ryan N.

Raheb, Robert E.


Rossos, Daniel N.

Rutherford, Mark A.

Shaw, Daniel D.

Simpson, Gary A.

Wall, David M.



Wilson, Corey

Affirmative with Comment


Acceptable as written.


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3.3.16 Instructor.

An individual qualified by the authority having jurisdiction to deliver fire-fighter training, who has thetraining and experience to supervise students during live fire training evolutions, and who has met therequirements of an Instructor I in accordance with NFPA 1041 .




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Committee Statement

CommitteeStatement:

This recommended change will more closely align with the knowledge, skills, and abilitiesrequired of a person filling this role in accordance with NFPA 1041.

ResponseMessage:

Public Comment No. 5-NFPA 1403-2015 [Section No. 3.3.15]

Ballot Results


31 Eligible Voters

3 Not Returned

27 Affirmative All



0 Abstention

Not Returned

Gagliano, Mike


O'Donnell, Ryan

Affirmative All

Barbour, Wesley E.

Britton, David M.



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Cannell, James R.

Egelin, Rick

Glover, William E.

Lawrence, Cortez

LeBoeuf, Roger M.

Lohmeyer, Gordon L.

Lunt, Roger


Marlatt, F. Patrick


Munson, Jr., Kevin

Norwine, Brent


Pietzsch, Ryan N.

Raheb, Robert E.


Rossos, Daniel N.

Rutherford, Mark A.

Shaw, Daniel D.

Simpson, Gary A.

Wall, David M.



Wilson, Corey



Part of work with the NFPA 1041 committee.


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3.3.17 Instructor-in-Charge.

An individual qualified as an instructor and designated by the authority having jurisdiction to be in chargeof the live fire training evolution, and who has met the requirements of an Instructor II in accordance withNFPA 1041 .




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Committee Statement

CommitteeStatement:

This modification of the defintion will more closely align the requirements for the Instructor-in-Charge with NFPA 1041 and the knowledge, skills, and abilities needed by an instructor fillingthis role.

ResponseMessage:


Ballot Results


31 Eligible Voters

3 Not Returned

24 Affirmative All



0 Abstention

Not Returned

Gagliano, Mike


O'Donnell, Ryan

Affirmative All

Barbour, Wesley E.

Britton, David M.


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Cannell, James R.

Egelin, Rick

Glover, William E.

LeBoeuf, Roger M.

Lunt, Roger


Marlatt, F. Patrick


Munson, Jr., Kevin

Norwine, Brent


Pietzsch, Ryan N.

Raheb, Robert E.


Rossos, Daniel N.

Rutherford, Mark A.

Shaw, Daniel D.

Simpson, Gary A.



Wilson, Corey



Part of work with the NFPA 1041 committee.


Lawrence, Cortez

There is no correlation to managing/leading a live fire exercise and Instructor II. I explained this to the committeeas I am also a member of the NFPA 1041 Fire Service Instructor Committee however few members on 1403 seemto get the disconnect we were fueling. Again, Instructor II qualification ensures ZERO-ZIP-NADA prowess inconducting live fire training, drills or exercises.

Lohmeyer, Gordon L.

I see little value in the instructor in charge being trained to the NFPA 1041 Instructor II level. I would however seevalue in that person being NFPA 1001, 1081 or similarly certified/qualified.

Wall, David M.

While not in opposition to having increased appropriate requirements for the instructor in charge, using the 1041Instructor II as the qualification is a mis-understanding of the Instructor II level. Nothing in the 1041 or typicaltraining program for an instructor II prepares them for the role of a live fire lead instructor. Nor does the writing oflesson plans prepare them for the live fire lead role. This role is better suited to having its own instructorcertification, with instructor I one as a pre requisite. This action would seem to be one of convenience, not onethought out to improve local risk management or a states ability to certify at a specific task level.


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Second Revision No. 4-NFPA 1403-2016 [ Section No. 4.3.2.1 ]

4.3.2.1 Introductory Live Fire Training Dynamics .

All participants shall be given classroom have received training for the following skills :

(1) Recognizing the need for an in-depth theoretical and practical knowledge of fire behavior for safe firesuppression operations The conditions necessary for flashover to occur

(2) Understanding the underlying concept of compartment fire behavior training as a basis for safe firesuppression operations The components of fire and definition of a fire

(3) The three mechanisms of heat transfer — conduction, convection, and radiation




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ResponseMessage:

Public Comment No. 13-NFPA 1403-2015 [Section No. 4.3.2.1]

Ballot Results


31 Eligible Voters

3 Not Returned

27 Affirmative All



0 Abstention

Not Returned

Gagliano, Mike


O'Donnell, Ryan


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Affirmative All

Barbour, Wesley E.

Britton, David M.


Cannell, James R.

Egelin, Rick

Glover, William E.

Lawrence, Cortez

LeBoeuf, Roger M.

Lohmeyer, Gordon L.

Lunt, Roger


Marlatt, F. Patrick


Munson, Jr., Kevin

Norwine, Brent


Pietzsch, Ryan N.

Raheb, Robert E.


Rossos, Daniel N.

Rutherford, Mark A.

Shaw, Daniel D.

Simpson, Gary A.

Wall, David M.



Wilson, Corey





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4.3.2.2 Health and Safety.


(1) Recognizing the physiological stress that results from working in protective clothing and SCBA in ahigh temperature environment The components of their protective clothing and equipment requiredfor use during operational evolutions

(2) Understanding the rationale and need for medical monitoring during physiologically stressful trainingoperations The capabilities and limitations of their protective clothing and equipment




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Ballot Results


31 Eligible Voters

3 Not Returned

27 Affirmative All



0 Abstention

Not Returned

Gagliano, Mike


O'Donnell, Ryan

Affirmative All


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Barbour, Wesley E.

Britton, David M.


Cannell, James R.

Egelin, Rick

Glover, William E.

Lawrence, Cortez

LeBoeuf, Roger M.

Lohmeyer, Gordon L.

Lunt, Roger


Marlatt, F. Patrick


Munson, Jr., Kevin

Norwine, Brent


Pietzsch, Ryan N.

Raheb, Robert E.


Rossos, Daniel N.

Rutherford, Mark A.

Shaw, Daniel D.

Simpson, Gary A.

Wall, David M.



Wilson, Corey





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4.3.2.4 Fire Development in a Compartment.


(1) Describing the The general development of a fire and extension beyond a single room orcompartment, including heat transfer methods, pressurization within the space, stages of firedevelopment, and transition from fuel-controlled to ventilation-controlled combustion

(2) Identifying building Building factors influencing fire development

(3) Explaining the concepts of fire load and ventilation profile The stage of fire growth for fuel-limited fire

(4) The stages of fire growth for a ventilation-limited fire

(5) Explaining the The significance of the transition from a contents fire to a structural fire

(6) Using terminology Terminology related to fire development, including plume, ceiling jet, hot gas layer,neutral plane, air track and flow path, and gravity current

(7) Explaining the The impact of the following factors on fire development in a compartment:

(a) Type of fuel

(b) Availability and locations of additional fuel

(c) Volume of the compartment

(d) Ceiling height and size, number, and arrangement of ventilation openings

(e) Thermal properties of the enclosure (i.e., insulation)

(8) The hazards presented by fire behavior that impact a singular or multiple compartment(s)

(9) How the following fire behavior phenomena occur:

(a) Flashover

(b) Backdraft

(c) Smoke explosion

(10) The influence of changes in ventilation in each of the following burning regimes:

(a) Fuel-controlled

(b) Ventilation-controlled

(11) Differences among ventilation, unplanned ventilation, and tactical ventilation

(12) The significance of fire behavior indicators in each of the following categories:

(a) Building

(b) Smoke

(c) Flow path

(d) Heat

(e) Flame

(f) Impact of wind





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Ballot Results


31 Eligible Voters

3 Not Returned

27 Affirmative All



0 Abstention

Not Returned

Gagliano, Mike


O'Donnell, Ryan

Affirmative All

Barbour, Wesley E.

Britton, David M.


Cannell, James R.

Egelin, Rick

Glover, William E.

Lawrence, Cortez

LeBoeuf, Roger M.

Lohmeyer, Gordon L.

Lunt, Roger


Marlatt, F. Patrick


Munson, Jr., Kevin


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Norwine, Brent


Pietzsch, Ryan N.

Raheb, Robert E.


Rossos, Daniel N.

Rutherford, Mark A.

Shaw, Daniel D.

Simpson, Gary A.

Wall, David M.



Wilson, Corey



Still have great concern with the amount of material to be covered and the Fire Chief signing that the participanthas completed these additional competencies outside of the NFPA 1001 Fire Behavior JPR's.


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4.3.2.5 Nozzle Techniques and Door Entry Control .

All participants shall be given classroom and hands-on have received training for the following skills :

(1) Identifying and describing factors Factors influencing the effectiveness of extinguishment by cooling

(2) Describing the The application of indirect attack, and direct attack, and 3D gas cooling

Demonstrating the nozzle techniques for pulsing, penciling, and painting

(3) Recognizing key Key door entry size-up and dynamic risk assessment factors

(4) Understanding how integrated Integrated door control and fire gas cooling to reduce the risk offlashover extreme fire behavior during door entry

(5) Demonstrating effective Effective door entry and control procedures




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Ballot Results


31 Eligible Voters

3 Not Returned

27 Affirmative All



0 Abstention

Not Returned

Gagliano, Mike



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O'Donnell, Ryan

Affirmative All

Barbour, Wesley E.

Britton, David M.


Cannell, James R.

Egelin, Rick

Glover, William E.

Lawrence, Cortez

LeBoeuf, Roger M.

Lohmeyer, Gordon L.

Lunt, Roger


Marlatt, F. Patrick


Munson, Jr., Kevin

Norwine, Brent


Pietzsch, Ryan N.

Raheb, Robert E.


Rossos, Daniel N.

Rutherford, Mark A.

Shaw, Daniel D.

Simpson, Gary A.

Wall, David M.



Wilson, Corey





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4.3.2.6 Extreme Fire Behavior (Classroom).

All participants shall be given classroom and hands-on training for the following skills:

Recognizing the hazards presented by extreme fire behavior

Explaining how the following three extreme fire behavior phenomena occur:

Flashover

Backdraft

Smoke explosion

Explaining the influence of changes in ventilation profile in each of the following burning regimes:

Fuel-controlled

Ventilation-controlled

Differentiating between ventilation, unplanned ventilation, tactical ventilation, and tacticalanti-ventilation.

Recognizing the significance of fire behavior indicators in each of the following categories:

Building

Smoke

Air track

Heat

Flame




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Topics are covered in revised sections of the chapter. Term "extreme fire behavior" is not beingwidely used as conditions like flashover are predictable to a degree and are not extreme.

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Ballot Results


31 Eligible Voters

3 Not Returned

27 Affirmative All



0 Abstention

Not Returned

Gagliano, Mike


O'Donnell, Ryan

Affirmative All

Barbour, Wesley E.

Britton, David M.


Cannell, James R.

Egelin, Rick

Glover, William E.

Lawrence, Cortez

LeBoeuf, Roger M.

Lohmeyer, Gordon L.

Lunt, Roger


Marlatt, F. Patrick


Munson, Jr., Kevin

Norwine, Brent


Pietzsch, Ryan N.

Raheb, Robert E.


Rossos, Daniel N.

Rutherford, Mark A.

Shaw, Daniel D.

Simpson, Gary A.

Wall, David M.




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Wilson, Corey



Covered in another section.


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4.3.2.7 Observation of Live Fire Behavior.

Prior to participating in a live fire evolution, all participants shall be required to observe fire behavior in acontrolled environment and shall demonstrate the following skills:

Describing anticipated fire behavior based on conditions experienced inside a compartment underactual fire conditions

Using visual observation under actual fire conditions to identify evidence of pyrolysis, neutralplane, air track, and rollover

Demonstrating the following nozzle techniques under actual fire conditions:

Pulsing (short pulse)

Penciling

Painting




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Ballot Results


31 Eligible Voters

3 Not Returned

27 Affirmative All



0 Abstention

Not Returned


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Gagliano, Mike


O'Donnell, Ryan

Affirmative All

Barbour, Wesley E.

Britton, David M.


Cannell, James R.

Egelin, Rick

Glover, William E.

Lawrence, Cortez

LeBoeuf, Roger M.

Lohmeyer, Gordon L.

Lunt, Roger


Marlatt, F. Patrick


Munson, Jr., Kevin

Norwine, Brent


Pietzsch, Ryan N.

Raheb, Robert E.


Rossos, Daniel N.

Rutherford, Mark A.

Shaw, Daniel D.

Simpson, Gary A.

Wall, David M.



Wilson, Corey



Deleted within the comment.


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4.4 Participant Health and Safety.

4.4.1

Instructors and participants shall be rehabbed in accordance with the provisions of NFPA 1584, Chapter6.

4.4.2*

When assessing the length and number of live fire training sessions (evolutions) conducted in a trainingday, the following shall be taken into account:

(1) Nature of the work to be performed by the participant,

(2) Physical stress of the work on the participant,

(3) Temperature of the work and evolution environment

(4) Exposure time in a high temperature environment, and

(5) Other circumstances (e.g. weather, heat index).

Supplemental Information

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NFPA_1403_For_Supplemental_Ballot-A.4.4.2.docx




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Committee Statement

CommitteeStatement:

The Technical Committee added these sections as more documentation is becoming available onthe physiological impact on participants of live fire training activities. A 2006 study conducted by theSwedish Fire Service on the physiological effects of working in a hyperthermic environment wasreferenced for these sections.

ResponseMessage:

Public Comment No. 7-NFPA 1403-2015 [New Section after 4.4]

Ballot Results


31 Eligible Voters

6 Not Returned


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23 Affirmative All



0 Abstention

Not Returned

Egelin, Rick

Gagliano, Mike


Munson, Jr., Kevin

O'Donnell, Ryan

Rutherford, Mark A.

Affirmative All

Barbour, Wesley E.

Britton, David M.


Cannell, James R.


Glover, William E.

Lawrence, Cortez

LeBoeuf, Roger M.

Lohmeyer, Gordon L.

Lunt, Roger


Marlatt, F. Patrick


Pietzsch, Ryan N.

Raheb, Robert E.


Rossos, Daniel N.

Shaw, Daniel D.

Simpson, Gary A.

Wall, David M.



Wilson, Corey


Norwine, Brent

This gives more direction for the AHJ and lead instructor.


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More and more information continues to come to light about the physical impact on fire fighters who engage in firesuppression activities under weather conditions in temperatures above 90 deg. F.and higher. Not accepting thewording of the original submission because it would impact current practices at live fire training activities willresult, sooner or later, in serious physical stress injuries and a potential for a fatality of a live fire trainingparticipant(s).


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NFPA 1403 For Supplemental Ballot SR-24

A.4.4.2 Further guidance and information may be obtained in "Health and Safety Guidelines for Fire Fighter Training", University of Maryland, Center for Fire Fighter Safety Research and Development, Maryland Fire and Rescue Institute, College Park, Maryland.


4.7.1

The instructor-in-charge shall have received training to meet the minimum job performance requirementsfor Fire Instructor I in NFPA 1041.




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Committee Statement

CommitteeStatement:

This modification to the standard will align NFPA 1403 more closely with NFPA 1041 and theknowledge, skills, and abilities required of an Instructor-in-Charge.

ResponseMessage:


Ballot Results


31 Eligible Voters

3 Not Returned

27 Affirmative All



0 Abstention

Not Returned

Gagliano, Mike


O'Donnell, Ryan

Affirmative All

Barbour, Wesley E.

Britton, David M.



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Cannell, James R.

Egelin, Rick

Glover, William E.

Lawrence, Cortez

LeBoeuf, Roger M.

Lohmeyer, Gordon L.

Lunt, Roger


Marlatt, F. Patrick


Munson, Jr., Kevin

Norwine, Brent


Pietzsch, Ryan N.

Raheb, Robert E.


Rossos, Daniel N.

Rutherford, Mark A.

Shaw, Daniel D.

Simpson, Gary A.

Wall, David M.



Wilson, Corey



Part of the work with NFPA 1041.


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4.7.2

The instructor in charge shall meet the minimum job performance requirements for Fire Instructor II inNFPA 1041 .




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Committee Statement

Committee Statement: The Technical Committee further defined requirements for Instructor in charge.

Response Message:

Ballot Results


31 Eligible Voters

3 Not Returned

26 Affirmative All



0 Abstention

Not Returned

Gagliano, Mike


O'Donnell, Ryan

Affirmative All

Barbour, Wesley E.

Britton, David M.


Cannell, James R.

Egelin, Rick

Glover, William E.


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Lawrence, Cortez

LeBoeuf, Roger M.

Lunt, Roger


Marlatt, F. Patrick


Munson, Jr., Kevin

Norwine, Brent


Pietzsch, Ryan N.

Raheb, Robert E.


Rossos, Daniel N.

Rutherford, Mark A.

Shaw, Daniel D.

Simpson, Gary A.

Wall, David M.



Wilson, Corey



Part of the work with NFPA 1041.


Lohmeyer, Gordon L.

I see little value in the instructor in charge being trained to the NFPA 1041 Instructor II level. I would however seevalue in that person being NFPA 1001, 1081 or similarly certified/qualified.


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4.7.6.1*

Instructors shall be rotated through duty assignments. An instructor shall not serve as the ignition officerfor more than one evolution in a row.




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Committee Statement

CommitteeStatement:

This comment is an output of the Ch 4 Task Group to address the need to improve the firedynamics knowledge of the students while providing a controlled training environment andimproving the safety of the instructors.

ResponseMessage:


Ballot Results


31 Eligible Voters

3 Not Returned

26 Affirmative All



0 Abstention

Not Returned

Gagliano, Mike


O'Donnell, Ryan

Affirmative All

Barbour, Wesley E.

Britton, David M.



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Cannell, James R.

Egelin, Rick

Glover, William E.

Lawrence, Cortez

LeBoeuf, Roger M.

Lohmeyer, Gordon L.


Marlatt, F. Patrick


Munson, Jr., Kevin

Norwine, Brent


Pietzsch, Ryan N.

Raheb, Robert E.


Rossos, Daniel N.

Rutherford, Mark A.

Shaw, Daniel D.

Simpson, Gary A.

Wall, David M.



Wilson, Corey



Agree with current language.


Lunt, Roger

The concern that is being addressed here is already addressed through the establishment of a Safety Officer,Rehab, Lead Instructor duties, and trained instructor duties. This wording is far to invasion on the instructionalenvironment that is managed and controlled by qualified instructors.


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4.7.12*

Awareness of weather conditions, wind velocity, and wind direction shall be maintained, including a finalcheck for possible changes in weather conditions immediately before actual ignition.



SR-22_A.4.6.11.docx




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Committee Statement

CommitteeStatement:

The technical Committee added annex language to this section in order to provide additionalinformation. The comment is an output of the Ch 4 Task Group to address the need to improve thefire dynamics knowledge of the students while providing a controlled training environment.

ResponseMessage:

Public Comment No. 24-NFPA 1403-2015 [New Section after A.4.6.5.1]

Ballot Results


31 Eligible Voters

3 Not Returned

27 Affirmative All



0 Abstention

Not Returned

Gagliano, Mike


O'Donnell, Ryan


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Affirmative All

Barbour, Wesley E.

Britton, David M.


Cannell, James R.

Egelin, Rick

Glover, William E.

Lawrence, Cortez

LeBoeuf, Roger M.

Lohmeyer, Gordon L.

Lunt, Roger


Marlatt, F. Patrick


Munson, Jr., Kevin

Norwine, Brent


Pietzsch, Ryan N.

Raheb, Robert E.


Rossos, Daniel N.

Rutherford, Mark A.

Shaw, Daniel D.

Simpson, Gary A.

Wall, David M.



Wilson, Corey



Agree with language presented.


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Second Revision No. 17-NFPA 1403-2016 [ New Section after 4.6.12.2 ]

4.7.14 Training Instructors on How to Develop a Ventilation-Controlled Evolution.

The instructors and safety officers responsible for conducting live fire training evolutions with flow pathand ventilation-controlled conditions shall be trained in means to develop the evolutions as specified in4.13.7 .




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ResponseMessage:

Public Comment No. 21-NFPA 1403-2015 [New Section after 4.6.12.2]

Ballot Results


31 Eligible Voters

3 Not Returned

24 Affirmative All



0 Abstention

Not Returned

Gagliano, Mike


O'Donnell, Ryan

Affirmative All

Barbour, Wesley E.

Britton, David M.



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Cannell, James R.

Egelin, Rick

Glover, William E.

Lawrence, Cortez

Lohmeyer, Gordon L.

Lunt, Roger



Munson, Jr., Kevin


Pietzsch, Ryan N.

Raheb, Robert E.


Rossos, Daniel N.

Rutherford, Mark A.

Shaw, Daniel D.

Simpson, Gary A.

Wall, David M.



Wilson, Corey




LeBoeuf, Roger M.

One typo needs to be corrected, specifically to delete the word "and" between "with" and "flow", so that thesentence reads like this: "...conducting live fire training evolutions with flow path and ventilation-controlledconditions...."

Marlatt, F. Patrick

The "and" between "with" and "flow" needs to be removed. The statement as written does not make sense.

Norwine, Brent

The typo needs to be corrected.


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4.13.2

Pressure-treated wood, rubber, plastic, polyurethane foam, tar paper, upholstered furniture,and carpeting, and chemically treated or pesticide-treated straw or hay shall not be used as part of thefuel load.




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Committee Statement

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Added carpet is a common fuel that should not be used in training fires as it contributes to theunintended fuel load. The products of combustion given off by carpet have also been found to betoxic.

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Ballot Results


31 Eligible Voters

3 Not Returned

27 Affirmative All



0 Abstention

Not Returned

Gagliano, Mike


O'Donnell, Ryan

Affirmative All

Barbour, Wesley E.

Britton, David M.


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Cannell, James R.

Egelin, Rick

Glover, William E.

Lawrence, Cortez

LeBoeuf, Roger M.

Lohmeyer, Gordon L.

Lunt, Roger


Marlatt, F. Patrick


Munson, Jr., Kevin

Norwine, Brent


Pietzsch, Ryan N.

Raheb, Robert E.


Rossos, Daniel N.

Rutherford, Mark A.

Shaw, Daniel D.

Simpson, Gary A.

Wall, David M.



Wilson, Corey





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4.13.7*

The fuel load shall be limited to avoid conditions that could cause an uncontrolled flashover or backdraft.If a controlled flashover is designed to occur for training purposes, additional safety measures forproviding a safe observation space for instructors and students shall be documented and followed.



1403_SR-19_revised_A.14.3.7.docx Supplemental ballot




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Public Comment No. 25-NFPA 1403-2015 [New Section after A.4.12.6]

Ballot Results


31 Eligible Voters

6 Not Returned

22 Affirmative All



0 Abstention

Not Returned

Egelin, Rick

Gagliano, Mike



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Munson, Jr., Kevin

O'Donnell, Ryan

Rutherford, Mark A.

Affirmative All

Barbour, Wesley E.

Britton, David M.


Cannell, James R.


Glover, William E.

Lawrence, Cortez

Lohmeyer, Gordon L.

Lunt, Roger


Marlatt, F. Patrick


Pietzsch, Ryan N.

Raheb, Robert E.


Rossos, Daniel N.

Shaw, Daniel D.

Simpson, Gary A.

Wall, David M.



Wilson, Corey


LeBoeuf, Roger M.

The word flashover is written two ways and I'm not sure it's written correctly every time. It's written as one word,"flashover", in 8 instances and as two words, "flash over", in one instance. I believe "flashover" (one word) is anoun and "flash over" (two words) is a verb. Please have that confirmed. If that is correct, then there are twoinstances where "flashover" needs to be changed to "flash over" (one in Section (9) and the other being in the firstline of the next-to-last paragraph of the entire section).

Norwine, Brent

This meets the intent but needs to have "safe" taken out. Keep the wording the same but take safe out, it wouldread : If a controlled flashover is designed to occur for training purposes, additional measures for providing aobservation space for instructors and students shall be documented and followed.



Upon further reflection, I do not believe the technical committee has provided adequate guidance to whatconstitutes a "safe observation space" in the added text. I think this could be interpreted to be understood as


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inside the flashover container or area, itself. The technical committee needs to reconsider and revise the addedwording to make the intent of the statement perfectly clear and unambiguous.


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For Supplemental Ballot 5/31

SR-19, New annex material revised CF

A.4.13.7

An operational plan for accomplishing training objectives with a ventilation-controlled fire /

flow path training, utilizing a fuel load that could generate a controlled flashover, should

include the following:

(1) This material outlines considerations for an operation plan, based on this standard, for

evolutions during which a ventilation controlled fire with a fuel load designed to be

capable of generating a controlled flashover in the ignition room is being used for

training purposes.

(2) The lead instructor should identify the fire growth observation area prior to ignition of

any live fires. The observation area should be out of the exhaust portion of the flow path.

Students and instructors should have a charged hose line in the observation area that has a

fire stream capable of reaching the ignition room and suppressing the fire. Students and

instructors should be in the observation area prior to ignition of fire.

(3) Charged hose lines should be placed in position prior to ignition of fire. The hose line

should be used to control temperature and fire growth from the observation area.

(4) Observation areas should be on the same level as or below the level of the fire with direct

unimpeded access to an exit.

(5) No students or instructors should be in the fire room after ignition.

(6) The identification of the potential flow path should be communicated to all students and

instructors prior to ignition. The lead instructor should designate the flow path.

(7) No unidirectional flow paths that exhaust over fire fighters should be created. If weather

or the fire creates a potentially hazardous change to the flow path, the interior instructor

should be notified immediately and personnel should exit the structure or take other

action to maintain the safety of the instructors and personnel.

(8) The interior instructor should coordinate ventilation with exterior personnel to complete

the ventilation to achieve the desired fire effect. After charged hose lines are placed, and

instructors and students are located in the observation area, ventilation should be

coordinated.

(9) The instructor-in-charge should use an assessment, such as the following equation, to

estimate the minimum heat release rate needed to flashover the ignition room based on

available ventilation:

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[A.4.13.7]

Where:

= Minimum heat release rate (kW) required for flashover

AO = Area of opening (m2)

HO = Height of opening (m)

For example, determine the minimum heat release rate required to flashover a small room

with one exterior door 80 in. (2.03 m) high and 36 in. (0.91 m) wide and one window 40 in.

(1.02 m) high and 30 in. (0.76 m) wide. Based on the size of the open door only , flashover

would occur at approximately 2 MW. Based on the size of the open window only, flashover

would occur at approximately 0.6 MW. Therefore, the minimum energy required to flash

over the room would be approximately 2.6 MW.

Fuel Load: For this training exercise, calculate the fuel load required to achieve a sustained

flashover in a ventilated space.

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