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Episode281:BuildingResiliency,Mindsetand

DoingtheImpossibleWithJoelRunyon


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Katie:Hello,andwelcometo"TheWellnessMamaPodcast."I'mKatiefromwellnessmama.com.AndI'mheretodaywithanewfriendI'mexcitedtosharewithyou.JoelRunyonisthefounderofImpossible,whichisaperformancelifestylecompanyfocusedonhelpingpeoplepushtheirlimitsandtransformmindsetthroughhardphysicalchallengeswhichhehassomeexperiencein.Asanenduranceathletein2017,hebecametheyoungestpersonintheworldtorunanultramarathononeverycontinent,includingAntarctica.He'salsothecreatorofthePaleoandKetoresourcecalledUltimatePaleoGuide,andUltimateMealPlan,aswellasthedailymovementandmobilitycoachingapp,movewellapp.com.Joel,welcomeandthanksforbeinghere.

Joel:Awesome.Thanksforhavingme.

Katie:Well,tostart,IwouldlovetohearaboutImpossibleasthebrandandasthemissionandjustkindofwalkusthroughwhatthatisandhowitwasborn.


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Joel:Yeah,sothestoryitfeelslike,youknow,it'sbeenjustafewyearsbackbutIactuallystarted,Ithinkbackin2010,IgraduatedschoolanddideverythingIwassupposedtodogrowingup,youknow,wenttocollege,gotadoublemajor,traveledabroad.AndIbasicallygraduatedinthemiddleofthe2009recession.AndsoIdidallthesethingsyou'resupposedtodogrowingup,gotalllikemyGPAs,and,youknow,learnedSpanishandtraveledabroad,didsports.AndthenIgraduatedandthenthenextthing,youknow,onthatchecklistisgogetajob.AndIgraduatedinthatrecessionandIcouldn'tgetajobforlikeninemonths.Andthisbasically,putmeinaworldwhereIwasjustquestioning,youknow,whatthenarrativethatIhadbeenfedforawhile.

Andit'salongstory.Iappliedtoabunchofdifferentplaces.Eventually,Igotturneddownatallofthem,eventuallywasapplyingtoplaceslikeStarbucksandcouldn'tgetcalledbackfromStarbucks.AndIwasbasicallysittinginmyparent'sbasementatthetime,youknow,wonderingifthiswasit,thisiswhatIsignedupfor,thisiswhatIdidallthisworkfor.SoIwenttoschoolgotthispieceofpaperfor.AndIjustfeltbadformyselfforawhile.Ididn'treallydoanythingaboutitatfirst,IjustkindofwatchedabunchofNetflix,anddrownedinmyownsorrowforalittlebit.

ButIwaswritingdownallthesethingsthatIwantedtodo,IwasstillprettyaspirationalaboutthesethingsIactuallywantedtodo.AndIsawsomefriendsofmine,youknow,startingbusinesses,gettingjobs,travelingtheworld.AndIwantedtodoallthesethings,butIcouldn'tevengetajobatStarbucksandeverythingseemedreallyimpossibleforme.AndsowhileIwaswatchingNetflix,Iwaskindalikemakingthislistforawhile.AndIthinkIendedupeventuallyrunningoutofNetflixshowstowatch,itwas2009,2010notalotofstuffonthere.Andeventually,youknow,Ifinished,youknow,kindofescapingintotheworldofNetflixandtookanotherlookatmylist.Andallthestuffonmyliststillseemedprettyimpossible.Ididn'thaveanymoney.Icouldn'ttraveltheworld,Icouldn'tstartmyownbusiness,Icouldbarely…youknow,Icouldn'tevengetajob.

Butoneofthethingsonmylistwasrunatriathlon.AndIdidn'thaveanexcuseforwhyIcouldn'trunatriathlon.AndsoIdecided,youknow,there'snoexcuseformenottoputonmyshoesandrunaroundtheblock.Andthere'snoexcuseformenottogetonlikemycrappyoldMiddleSchoolmountainbikeandridearoundtheblockandstarttrainingforthisthing.AndsoeventhoughIdidn'tknowanythingabouttriathlons,IdecidedIwasgoingtosignupanddoit.AndIsignedupforanindooroneatLifeTimeFitnessbecauseIdidn'twannadrownintheopenwaterswimofanormaltriathlon.AndIwasreallynervousaboutit.Ididn'treallyknowanythingabouttriathlons.ButIsignedup,Ididit,andtrainedfortwomonths,andIdidit.AndIrememberthinkingattheendofthat,"Youspentsomuchtimetellingyourselfthatthiswasimpossible.Whatotherthingsouttherecouldyouactuallygooutanddoifyoujusttrainedforitandwentforit?"

Andsothatkindofbecameliketheincitingincidentformetogooutand,like,startlookingatthislistthatIhadmadethatIthoughteverythingfeltimpossible,butlike,whatifIwentoutandactuallytriedtodoit.Andsothatwaskindoftheoriginstory.Andsofromthere,Ijustkindofstartedchallengingmyselftodolongerandlongerraces.Istartedrealizing,onceIstartedpushingmyselfthatIcouldgoalotfartherthanIeveranticipated.AndthenItookthatsametypeofmindsetandappliedittolikemyjobsearch.AndtheneventuallyhowIapproachedacoupleofthefirstjobs,Iwasabletoactuallygetandworkmywayup.Andtheneventually,youknow,leavingandstartingmyownstuff.


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SoImpossible,yeah,that'skindoftheoriginstoryofImpossible.ButkindofthemissionofImpossibleistousehardphysical,difficultchallenges,totransformyourmindsetandtransformthewayyouboth,youknow,seeyourself,butalsoseetheworld.And,youknow,byputtingyourselfinthosesituationswherethey'rehard,difficultoryou'renotquitesureifyoucandothem,youpushthroughandyou'reabletodothemanyways.Youkindofcomeouttheothersidewithadifferentperspectiveonwhatyou'recapableof.Andsothatwastheoriginstory.Butsinceyouknow,I'vedonealotmore,youknow,Igot…Ibasicallytrickedmyselfthroughtriathlonsintobecomingarunner,starteddoingalotofultramarathons,endedupdoingseveraldifferentracesforcharity.AndIthinktodaywe'veraisedalmost$300,000fordifferenteducationalnon-profit.Sothat'skindof…youknow,it'sbeeneightornineyearsorso,butthat'slikethequickcoupleminuteoverviewofhowitgotstarted.

Katie:Ilovethatstorysomuch.AndIlovethatyouaredoingthisalsotohelpcharitiesaswell,andtobringawareness,that'samazing.Foranyonewhoisn'tfamiliar.SoI'veranatriathlonandthatistome,atremendousaccomplishment,it'snosmallfeat.Younowrunultramarathonscanyoujustdefinewhatthatisforanyonewhodoesn'tknow?

Joel:Anultramarathonisanythingbeyondanormalmarathon.Soifyourunanormalmarathon,andthenyoulikerunhome,oryourunthe7-Eleven,oranything,it'stechnicallyanultramarathon.Buttypically,mostultramarathonsareanywherebetweena50K,whichisabout31miles,and100miles.Butnowpeoplearegettingcrazyandthey'relike,peoplearedoing200-mileraces,multi-dayraces.Andyouknow,kindofonceyoudiveintothisworld,peoplegetreallynuttyreallyquick,buttypicallyanultramarathonstartsat50K,anditwillgo,youknow,asfaraspeoplewillletitgo.

Katie:What'sthelongestoneyou'veeverrun?

Joel:SothelongestthatonethatIdidwasthe100KinAntarctica.

Katie:Wow.Soyoupickedthecoldestplacetorunthelongest…

Joel:Yeah,soitwas62milesIthinkthatwasthatone,so.Butyeah,like,onceyougetintothespace,it'slike,okay,it'slike100K,buttherearedefinitelypeoplewhodo100-mileracesallthetime.Andthenitjustraisesyoursightsonwhat'spossibleandwhatpeopleactuallydooutthere.Andthatwasoneofthemind-blowingthingsformewas,youknow,IkindofkeptmyselfbeforeIevergotinthisworldIwaslike,Idon'tevenknowifIcandoatriathlon.AndsoIdidn'tevendolikeasprinttriathlon,Ididanindoortriathlon.Andonceyoukindofpeekintothisworld,itjustkeepsgoingandgoingandgoing.Andyourealizewhatpeoplearecapableofwhentheydecidetodoit.

Katie:Yeah,that'samazing.AndanotherthingyoumentionedthatIthinkit'simportanttotalkaboutalittlebitmoreistheeducationside,howyouwenttocollege,gotthedoublemajor,youcheckedalltheboxesyou


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weresupposedtocheck.AndI'veheardthisstorysomanytimes.Andit'ssomethingIthinkaboutquiteabitasaparentnow,becauseI'mgonnahavekidsbeforetoolong,whoareattheageofdecidingtogotocollegeornot.AndIgetthefeelingthattheeducationsystemhasdrasticallychangedevensincewewerethere.Andcertainly,sinceourparentswerethere.SoI'mcurious.Now,beingontheoutsideofthis,andhavingcreatedthisentrepreneuriallifeandthiscareerthathelpedpeople,doyouhaveadifferentperspectivelookingbackon,forinstance,goingtocollege,education?Andwouldyoudoitagain?Orwouldyoupursueotheroptionsearlier?

Joel:SothewayI'vesaiditformyselfisIthinkwe'relikethelastfewyearswhereyoucouldkindofmakethecaseforcollegeifyoulike.EvensinceIgraduatedcollegehasgoneupdramatically.AndIjustdon'tseetheROIonitlikefromafinancial…like,peoplewannatalkabout,okay,there'sanexperienceand,youknow,youcouldtalkaboutthat.IthinkIwouldhavemuchratherjusttakenthemoneyandlike…orevenhalfthemoneyandputittowardslikeexperimentingindifferententrepreneurialmanners.BecauseallthethingsthatIdidinschoollikenothingreallywassuperactionable.IthinkIprobablycouldhavepaidbetterattentioninlikeaccountingclass,andIwouldactuallyhavebeenprobablythemorelike,usefulclassthatIhadtaken.ButIrememberwetooklikeaclassonentrepreneurship,anditwasaboutputtingabusinessplantogetherandpitchingpeople,andit'slike...andIhaven'tdoneabusinessplanlikethatyet,youknow,mostofmystuffhasbeenbootstrapping.Soit'sbeenmuchmoreaboutlike,gaininganaudienceandbuildingtrafficandcreatingproductsthatpeopleresonatewith.

Andso,forme,fromaneducationstandpoint,Ithinkeducation,likeabasiceducation,isreally,reallyimportant.Andthat's,youknow,thestuffthatwedowithPencilsofPromise,asfarasmakingsurepeoplehave…youknow,under-resourcedareasaroundtheworldhavethechancetolearntoreadanddomath.Andyouknow,learnthesereallybasicskillsthatwekindoftakeforgranted.Butthenwhenitgetstothishighereducation,andyouknow,there'ssomeplaceswhereIthinkbeing…youknow,ifyou'regonnabealawyer,youhavetodowhatyouhavetodo,ifyou'regonnabeadoctor,youhavetodowhatyouhavetodo.ButforwhatIwenttoschoolfor,andIkindofwasoneofthoseguysthatwentintoschool,andIwaslike,"Idon'tknowexactlywhatIwannado,"youknow,allthesecareersthatpeoplehavehadpickedoutsincethirdgrade,I'mnotoneofthoseguys.Therewasneveranymessagingforthatpersonforme.

AndsoIwouldn'thave…Idon'tthinkIwouldhave,ifIhadthechancetogobackandyouknow,spendthatmoneyagainandspendthosefouryears,IthinkIwouldhavedoneitinadifferentway.And,youknow,withcostsgoingupthewaytheyhave,evensinceIgraduated,Idefinitelydon'tthinkIwouldspendthemoneythatthey'rechargingthesedaysunlessitwasajustatop-tierschool.Andatthatpoint,you'rejustbasicallybuyingintothegroupofpeoplethatyou…youknow,thenetworkthatyouwannabein.Andsowecango...I'vegotthiswhole…youknow,I'vegotamuchlongerrantonthat,butIjustdon'tseetheROIforthetypesofclassesthatItook.AndIthinkthere'salotofotherwaysthatIcouldhaveinvestedthattimeandenergyandlearnedskillsthatwerealittlebitmorepractical.

Katie:Yeah,Iagreewithyouwholeheartedlyonthat.Andassomeonewho'salsoareallygoodstudent,andIwasverygoodatthegameoftakingtestsandallofthatinschool,likeIdidwhatIwassupposedtodointheeducationside.Andthenintheadultworld,andespeciallyintheentrepreneurworld,IrealizedtherewerestillalotofskillsIhadtolearnonthefly,andespeciallythingsliketoleranceforfailureandresilience.Becausethosethingsarenotbuilt,andatleasttheyweren'tbuiltintomyeducation,especiallyifyou'readecent


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studentandyoudon'thavetofailveryoften.Ifeellikethat'ssomethingthatwasreallyabigjumpformeatthebeginningofmyentrepreneurialjourneyandinparenthoodbecausethere'salotofstrugglesbuiltinthereaswell.Andit'ssomethingIknowyoutalkaboutquiteabitis,youknow,buildingresiliency,andhowdoyoudevelopthattoughmindset.AndIthinkforalltheparentslistening,that'ssomethingreallyimportanttoimparttoourkidsthatareprobablynotgettingnecessarilyfromtheeducationsystem.Solet'stalkmindsetalittlebitandhowyouwereabletomakethatswitchpersonally,andthennowhowyouhelppeopledothesame.

Joel:Yeah,sooneofthecorethingsthatItalkaboutisliketryingtogetpeopleoutoftheirheadandintotheirbodies.And,youknow,alotofpeoplehavedigital-relatedjobs.Sothey'redoingjobswherethey'resittingbehindacomputerallday,or,youknow,evenifthey'renot,they'relookingattheirphoneallthetime,andwelivesomuchofourlives,inourhead.Andwehaveallthesementalstressesthatjustliveinyourheadthey'renotlikeoutinreallife.And,youknow,evenlike100yearsago,ifyou'relikeactuallystressedatyourjob,itwasbecauseyou'redoingphysicallabororsomething.Andatleastthenyou'dgetlikesomesortofendorphinrushfrom,youknow,theactualphysicalworkout.Andsopeopleendupbeingstressedallthetime,mentallyfromthesedifferentsituations,butthey'renotabletolike,getitout,they'renotabletodoanythingwithit,becausethey'rejustlikeconfinedattheirdesk.

Andso,forme,IfoundIwaslikehavingarealhardtimewhenIwasinmyparent'sbasement,tryingtolikedealwiththestressesoflifeandfiguringouthowto,like,navigatethisnewworld.BecauseIdidn'thaveanywaytolike…Ididn'thaveanyoutlet,Ididn'thaveanythingtodoortofocusthat,youknow,kindofenergyonanditjustkindofspiraledforlackofabetterword.Andsoforme,whatIfoundistakingonthesephysicallydifficult,hardchallenges,doeswondersforwhenteachingyouaboutdoinghardthings,whetherthey'reactuallyphysicalorthey'remental.OnceIrealized,like,Icangorun50miles,andit'sreallyhardandamile30,andmile40,andmile45,I'mgonnawannaquit,butIcankeepgoinganyways.Iwasabletotakethatmindsetandtakethattoprettymucheverythingelseliketoentrepreneurship,torelationships.Togorealizingthatlikejustbecausesomethingishardjustbecausesomething'spainful,doesn'tmeanit'snecessarilybad.Anddoesn'tmeanIcan'tdoit,itjustmeansit'sgonnabe,likeslightlypainfulforawhile.

And,youknow,whenpeopletalkaboutrunningtheseultramarathonsor,youknow,runningthesefardistances,youknow,theycouldsaylike,"Oh,it'ssofar,it'ssodifficult,Icanneverdothat."Butifyoulike,zoomout,andyou'relike,"Okay,well,I'mgonnabegoing,youknow,I'mgonnabemovingfor8hours,I'llbeinlike,maybealotofpainfor8hours,or12hoursor,youknow,16hours,orwhateverthenumberis."Butit'sjust16hours.Ittransformsyourperspectiveonwhatyou'reabletodoandwhatyou'reabletodealwith.Andwhenyougothroughthosethings,andthey'reactuallyphysicallydifficult,whereyou'relike,Irememberatmile45,when,like,mybackseizedupandlikeIdidn'tthinkIcouldkeepgoingandIjustwantedtogohomeandIquitandthenIdidn't.Youcantakethatreferencepoint,youcantakethatspecificmemorythatreal-lifethingthathappened,andremindyourselfinotherareasofyourlifethat,"IcangooutandIcandothishardthingtoo."

Andso,youknow,that'salothardertodoifyouneverhavelikerealphysicalexperiences,andyoujustliveinyourheadoryouliveonyourphoneoryouliveinyourcomputer.Andifyou'reableto,like,gooutintherealworld,haveareal,meaningful,difficultexperience,andbeabletopointtothat,it'saremindertoyourselfthatyoucandohardthings.Andforme,thatwasthebiggestthinglikeIstilldon't…youknow,whenIfinished


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thatfirsttriathlon,partofmestilldidn'tbelievethatIdidit.Iwaslike,"No,youcouldn'tdothis,otherpeoplecoulddothis,butyoucouldn'tdothis."ButthenIhadliketheresultslistandIhadthetimes,andIpointeditonthesheet,andIwaslike,"Well,actually,youknow,nomatterwhatyouthinkaboutyourself,youjustdidthat.Soyouarenowthepersonthatcandothattypeofthing."Sowhat'sthenextthingthat'sonthelist?Andwhatcanyougodonext?

AndIthinkthat'sreally,reallyimportant,andreallyunderutilized.Where,likeIsaid,mostpeopleIthinkliveintheirhead,andthey'rescared…theygetstuckintheirhead.Becausesomuchofourstuffisonourphoneoronourcomputer,or,youknow,you'rejustprocessingitmentally.Andwhenyou'reabletoputitoutintothephysical,intotherealworld,there'ssomethingaboutitthatletsyoucompletelychangehowyoulookatacertainsituation,andwhatyou'recapableof.

Katie:Yeah,exactly,like,Ithinkthere'ssomuchrightnowthat'spopularaboutdoingalloftheinnerworkandthementalworkandthenhowthat'sgonnamanifestinyourlife.AndIthinktheonlythingreallywhyisabout,justdoingitwithyourbody,evenifyourmindhasn'tquitecaughtupandthenlettingyourmindlearnfromthat.AndlikeIsaid,I'veonlydoneatriathlon.Butthemindsetpartyoutalkedaboutactuallyjustremindedmeoflaborwithmybabies,becauseit'slikeyousaidat16hoursinmycase,usuallylike24hours.Butit'sjust24hours,inmymindItellmyselfthatlikeIcandoanythingfor24hours,Icandothis.Andthenthemindsetlikethatmentaltoughnessontheotherside,whenyouaccomplishitisincredible.Andyougettokeepthatwithyou.Andit'ssuchagoodreminderwhenyouhavestruggles,anyotherstrugglesthatcomeupthataresmallerthanthat,you'relike,"Well,Ialreadydidthat,so,ofcourse,Icangetthroughthis."

Ilovetheideatoohowyoutalkaboutanimpossiblelist,becauseyouknow,likeeverybodyhastheirlikebucketlist?Butthat'slikethethingsyoudobeforeyoudie,whichiskindofdepressing.Ilovethisideaofanimpossiblelist,whichiskindoflikefunchallengestoconquer.SoI'mcurious,whataresomeofthethingsbothonyourownonerightnowandthatyouhavepeopleinyourcommunity?Likewhataresomepopularthingspeopleputonthisimpossiblelist?

Joel:Yeah,sotherealquickdelineationbetweenabucketlistandimpossiblelististhatabucketlist,kindofpeopletendtomakingabucketlist,andtheygetrealexcitedaboutmakingabucketlist.Andthey'relike,"Hey,here'sallthethingsI'mgonnadobeforeIdie"andtheymakeit,theygetallexcited.Andthentheygetrealexcitedwhentheymakeitandthentheydon'tdoanythingonit.

Animpossiblelistkindofreallystartedfromthatfirsttriathlon.There'slikeacouplethingsIactuallyfeltimpossible.Anditwasn'tabiglist.Itwasn't,youknow,anythingcrazy,butlikeanindoortriathlonwasonmylist.Andthegoalwas,dosomethingthatactuallyfeelsimpossiblerightnow.Anddon'tworryabouteverythingelse.Don'tworryaboutmakinglike75thingsonit,youknow,addacouplethingsrightnowthatfeelimpossible,andgoanddothem.Andthenonceyougodothem,yourunderstandingofwhat'spossiblecontinuestoexpand.

Andsothedifferencebetweenanimpossiblelistandabucketlistisabucketlistyoukindofmakeonetimeandthen,youknow,maybeormaybenotyouwouldlikeyoucrosseverythingoffasyougo.Andthegoalof


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theimpossibleisbasicallytocontinuetogrowwithyouovertime,andgetbiggerandmoreexpansiveasyoukindofbecomebiggerandmoreexpansive.AndsothisisactuallykindofbeenaninterestingproblemthatIhadbecauseIhad…youknow,Ibasicallywentfromdoingtheseindoortriathlons,orIdidoneindoortriathlon,didabunchofothertriathlonsandgotintorunningandultrarunning.AndIdidalltheseultramarathonsoneverycontinentlikewetalkedaboutalittlebit.Andnow,oneofthethingsthatI'veactuallystruggledwithalittlebitishowdoyoudo...what'snextafteryoudosuchabigthing?

Andso,youknow,foralotofpeopleinthecommunity,alotofpeoplestartoffwiththetriathlon,runningkindofparadigmwherethey...Thenicepartabouttherunningcommunityisit'ssetupinthosestages,whereyoucouldsay,"Hey,I'mgonnadoa5K,I'mgonnadoa10K,I'mgonnadoahalfmarathon,I'mgonnadoamarathon."Andit'sverygradualandit'sveryspecificallywelllaidout.

Forme,rightnow,I'vegotacoupledifferentracesthatareonmyradar,butthey'realittlebitlogisticallydifficulttocoordinateandorganize.SooneofthemiscalledtheRedBullX-Alps,andit'sarace,it'sanultra-runningrace/paraglidingraceacrossliketheSwissAlps.It'slikesponsoredbyRedBull.Andit'sawesome.AndIdon'tevenknowhowtoparaglide,butI'lllearnitandIwannadoit.Andthenthere'slikeaseven-dayultramarathonacrossIcelandthatIwannado.Andthosearekindoflikethenextcouplethingsforme,butalotofpeopleinthespace,they'llstartwithdifferentshorterraces.Andforsomepeoplewho…youknow,somepeoplewillsay,"Hey,I'dlovetorunamarathon.Butyouknow,I'm100poundsoverweight,or,youknow,it'sgonnatakemeevenifIwannarunamarathon,it'sgonnatakeme20weekstogetstartedwiththat."

Andsooneofthethings,andthiskindoftiesintowhatwejusttalkedabout.OneofthethingsthatIhavealotofpeopledois,youknow,ifthey'rejuststartingout,andtheyjustwannagetusedtodoingsomethingdifficultoruncomfortableorchallenging.Butthey'renotreadyforlikeamarathonoranultramarathonisIcallitcoldshowertherapy.IdidaTEDxtalkonitalongtimeago.ButsincelikeWimHofhas,youknow,blownupwithicebaths.AndIknowyou'reabigcoldtherapyfan,butItellpeopletodolikefiveminutesoffreezingcoldshowers,orjustfiveminutesoficebaths.AndwhatI'vefoundisthat'slikeasupersimplewayforalotofpeopletogetstarteddoingsmall,physicallyuncomfortableactivities.And,youknow,it'salsojustfiveminutes.Andyoucan…anyonecandoanythingforfiveminutes.

Andsoyeah,thoseare...that'skindofaquickoverviewoftheimpossiblelist.ButoneofthethingsthatI'vefoundisthatsomepeoplegetreallyintimidatedwhenthey'relike,"Oh,youknow,impossiblelistmeansIhavetorunanultramarathontomorrow."It'slike,no,youcandoitinsmallways,youcandoitinsmallformats.Andyoucanstartwhereyou'reat.Andthelistwillgrowwithyouovertimeandthat'swhat'scoolaboutit.

Katie:Ilovethat.AndyoutouchedonsomethingthatIthinkisworthhighlighting,whichiskindoftheideaofgettingcomfortablewithdiscomfort,whichisnotsomethingthat'scommoninoursocietyanymore,likewehavetheabilityalotoftimestojustcomfortableallthetime.AndI'msowithyouonthecold,Ithink,actually,it'sbeenoneofmybestteachers,becauseIwasnevergreatatmeditationorlikequietingmymindbecauseit'sjustalwaysgoinginamilliondirections.AndwhenIgetin,youknow,40or38-degreewater,I'minstantly


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abletohavesinglenessofthoughtandjustbreathe.Andit'sbeenagreatteacherforme.Andit'salsothatmentalteacherofthatIcandothisforfiveminutesandI'mnotgonnadiefromthis.

SoIlovethat.I'mcuriouswhatyour,justoutofcuriosity,whatyourtrainingregimenlookslike,especiallyforsomeofthesemoreobscureraceswherelikeit'sparagliding,orit'smorethanjustrunning,howdoyoutrainforthat?

Joel:Well,theparaglidingoneIdon'tknowyet.Ineedtogotakelessonsorsomething.Butthat'saninterestingchallengewhereyou'relike,"Oh,I'mgonnabecomeabeginneragainandI'mgonnabereallybadatthis."AndIthinkthat'salwaysalittlebitscary,especiallyonceyou'vegottenslightlyproficientatsomethingtogobebadatsomethingagainorrememberhowitistolookstupidandmessupabunch.Sorightnow,mytrainingregimenisjustactually,Ireallyfocusedonjustliftingweightsalot,thelastfewyears,overthelastyearprobably.ButwhileIwasdoingtheultramarathons,thisissomethingthat'sactuallyinterestingisIlaunchedthis777Project,awhileback,andsevenultramarathons,sevencontinents,andwewantedtobuildsevenschools.AndwhenIfirststarted,Iwasjustlike,"I'mgonnajuststartrunningallthetime.I'mgonnarunwhenIwakeup,I'mgonnarunbeforeIgotobed,everysingleday,run,run,run,run,addabunchofmoremiles,gettimeonyourfeet,Igottagetusedtogoingthesedistances."

AndsoIwastraining,Iwasactuallyinreallygreatshape.AndIgodowntoPatagonia,Chiletorunthisfirstrace.And26milesin,Icomearoundthiscurve,wherethere'satailwind,sothere'sa25mileperhourtailwindandsoit'skindofboostingyoualongthecourseandyou'refeelingreallygood.Twenty-sixmilesin,Icomearoundthiscorner,thewindshiftsandbasicallyblowsmeacrosstheroad.I'mrunningdownhillandenduptryingtocatchmyselfbasically,asIgodownhill,enduprollingmyleftankle,reallybad.I'vebeenanathleteforalongtime,I'verolledanklesbeforeIwaslike,"Okay,I'mjustgonna,youknow,suckitupand,youknow,walkitoffandfinishthisrace."Spoiler,Icouldn'tactuallyruntherestoftherace.ButIdidfinishit,IlikelimpedthroughtherestofthewayhomeandIthought,"Okay,I'mjustgonnaicethisandI'llbefine.Youknow,whenthisisallsaidanddone."

AnditturnsoutIgotbackhomeaftertherace.AndIwentfromrunning20milestobarelybeingabletorunliketwoblocks.AndIwaslike,"Oh,no,something'swrong."Andwhathappenedwas,Ibasicallyseverelysprainedmyperonealtendon.Ididn'tquitelikesnapit,butitwasprettybad.AndIstartedrealizingthatlike,"Oh,justrunningallthetimeisnottheanswer."Andsowhathappenedwas,IhadtodosixmonthsofrehabtogetbacktothepointwhereIwasabletorunagain.

AndthenwhenIwasfinallyabletoactuallystarttrainingagain,IendeduprunningactuallyalotlessthanIhadpreviouslybeenrunningbutdoingalotmorecross-trainingandalotmoremobility,andrecoverywork.Andwhathappenedwasthatallowedmetobasicallyrunthenextsixraces,withinaperiodoflike,three,threeandahalfmonths.AndwhatIrealizedwaslike,there'salotmoretorunningandstayinghealthyand,youknow,afullliketrainingprotocolthanjustrunningallthetime.AndsoI'vereallytriedtokindofmaintainthat.Ireallyliketheoverallideaofbeingfunctionallyfit.Andnotjustbeinglike,"Okay,I'vegot,youknow,bigmusclesorIcoulddowhatever,"butlike,beingreadyforanyadventurethatcomesmyway.Like,Ineverwannabeableto...Ineverwannahavetoturndownanadventure,becauseI'mnotinlike,theshapeIneedto


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betogoanddothat.Whetherthat'slike,youknow,climbamountain,or,youknow,dothisultramarathon,orgoseetheserandompartsoftheworldthatyoucanonlygettoonfoot.

Ireallylikethatkindofpersonalchallenge,because,youknow,I'veneverthoughtaboutmyselfasarunner.I'mnotasmallrunnerguy,youknow,alotofrunnersare,youknow,5'5"andlike120poundsorsomethinglikethat.I'mlike6'2"and210,like,I'mabigdude.Andsoforme,likefitnessandthesechallengeshavealwaysbeenabout,one,whatcanIfindoutaboutmyselfduringtheseultramarathons?Andthen,two,whatcanIseeintheworldthatIwouldnormallynevergetachancetosee?Andthosetwothingscombinedarejust…likeit'samuchbetterreasontometobefitandtogetintoshape.Andtobeabletobefunctionally,youknow,healthytodoallthesedifferentthingsthanjusttobelike,"Hey,I'mgoingtogoflexinfrontofthemirrorfor,youknow,like,acouplehours."Iliketheideaandthechallengeofgoingoutintheworldanddoingthesetypesofthings.SoIdon'tknowifthatanswersyourquestion,butthatwasalittlebitofarambleifyouwill.

Katie:Itdoes.Andassomeonewhoalsodoesnotfeellikeanaturalrunner,andprettymuchanytimeIrun,I'mjustlike,"Oh,whenisthisgonnaend?"Imuchpreferweighttraining.AndI'vereadsomeinterestingstudiesactually,andfromcoachesindifferenttypesofsportsthatareusingreallyheavyweighttraining,actually,totraintheirenduranceathletesortheirsprinters.Becauseit'ssupposedtoactuallyincreasecertainmusclefibersandtheabilityto,Iguess,haveincreasedenduranceandfast-twitchfibers.Haveyouseenanyofthatdata?Orhasthatbeentrueinyourexperience?Likeareyouabletogetthosesamebenefitswithouthavingtodoasmuchendurance,becauseIknowthere'salsosomedatathatextremeenduranceandextremecardioallthetimecanbedetrimentaloverthelongrunaswell.

Joel:SoIfoundthattheweighttraining,actually,likemuscularlybalancedmeout,becauseI'mavery…like,ifyoulookatme,I'mveryquadandcalfheavy.I'mlikeveryhappywith,youknow,thewayIruneven,like,I'mjustaquadandcalfheavyperson.AndwhatactuallyIfoundout,youknow,thisfreakaccidentthathappenedinPatagonia,wasreally…itwasalittlebitofafreakaccident,butitwaskindofjustlikewaitingtohappen.Becauselongstoryshort,I'vesupertighthips,I'vekindofweakhamstringsandglutes.Andsowhatwashappeningwasmystridewasgettingoff.And,like,youknow,thiswouldhavehappenedonewayoranother.Butbasically,onehipwastighterthantheother,onestrideisalittlebitshorter.

Anditwasbasically,Iwasjustkindofreinforcing,like,onceyouhaveaweakmusculargrouporlikeaspecificarea,andyoudon'tdoanythingtoaddressit,itjustkindofdigsyourselfarut,ifyouwill.AndsowhathappenedwhenIstartedweighttrainingwasIstartedactuallyrebalancingmyselfalittlebit,Istartedbuildinghamstringandglutestrength.AndIstartedlikeactuallychangingtheway,bothmyformandkindofhowmyoverallrunninggait,liketheperformanceofmyoverallrunninggait.Andsothatonitsown,likebeyond,youknow,peoplewannadebatethemeritsofstrengthtrainingversuscardioandallthisotherstuff.

Andforme,Ifound…andIthinkyou'reseeingalotofrunnersreallystarttorealizethisisthatit'sreallyeasytodevelopbadhabitswhilerunning.Andifyou'reabletoputinthetime,eventhreetimesaweek,todosomestrengthworkalongwiththat,youreally…youkindofinsulateyourselffromalotoftheinjuriesthatrunnersgetfromjustrepetitiverunningoverandoveragain,becausethey'renevertakingthetimetoaddresstheweaknesses.Andsoifyoucandothatwithstrengthtraining,Ithinkthecomboisreallyawesome.Andforme,again,youknow,thegoalbeing,functionallyfittogooutanddoadventureintheworld.Ineedboth,you


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know,youneedtobestrong,youneedtobeabletohaveendurancecapacity.Andjustpickingupaboulderandputtingitdownor,youknow,beingabletolike,liftsomethingthat'sincrediblyheavy,butnotbeingabletorunfor20minutes,likethat'snotagoodendresultforme.

SowhatIfoundiswhenIstarteddoingthatstrengthtraining,andIstartedaddingsomemobilityworkontopofthat.Thatkindofgavemethebestofbothworlds,whereIwaslike,"Hey,I'mabletodothese,youknow,hardendurancechallenges,butI'malsopreventingmyselffrominjury.AndI'mnotreally,youknow,justlettingmyselfcreatethesebadhabitswithouthavingtoaddressthemonadailyoraweeklybasis."

Katie:Thatmakessense.AndyoualsohavetheMoveWellapp,right,whichisforthemobilityandmovementside.Isthathelpfulaswell,especiallyforpeoplewhoaretrainingatthatlevel?

Joel:Yeah,sothisissomethingthatweactuallycreatedalotof.AlotofmybusinessescomefromthingswhereI'mlike,"Man,youneedtodothis,andlike,youneedtobebetteratthis."AndsowhenIgothurt,Iwasgoingtolikephysicaltherapymaybetwotimes,threetimesaweek,orsomethinglikethat.Andit'slike60bucksasessionorit'slike100bucksasession.AndI'dgointophysicaltherapy,andI'dbereallygoodaboutdoingalltheworkthattheytoldmetodo.Andthenthey'dgivemehomework,andI'dgohome,andIwouldnotdoanyofit.AndIfeellikealotofpeoplearekindoflikethis,whereeverybody'sgotafoamrolleroreverybody'sgot,youknow,likealacrosseballoratennisballthattheyknowtheyshouldbedoingsomething,maybethey'renotevenanathlete,butthey'resittingdownallday.Andthey'vegotlowerbackpain,orthey'vegotspecificissues.AndoneofthethingsthatIjustrealizedislike,youknow,I'mreallygood,youknow,goingbacktotheeducationthing,ifI'vehadsomeonetellmeexactly,youknowwhattodo,I'mreallygoodaboutdoingthat.ButifI'mjustlefttomyowndevices,andcomingupwithmyownroutinesandwhattodowithafoamroller,I'mnotasgoodatthat.

Sobasically,webuiltMoveWell,soIwouldhaveaportablecoachathomewithme.Andtheideaisthatwedoprescriptiveroutinesso,andjustinsteadofjustsaying,"Hey,rolloutyourhamstrings,"wesay,"Hey,what'syourspecificproblem?Doyouhavelikelowerbackpain?Areyougettingreadyforarun?Areyoujustlike…you'retryingtodoeverydaymobilityandjusttryingtostayalittlebitlooseandyou'vegot10minutes."Webasicallyputtogetherroutinesofspecificmovementsthatare,youknow,10to15minuteslong.Andwehaveatimer,tutorials,andacoachandwewalkyouthroughallthedifferentmovements.Soyou'renotjustlikefoamrollingyourlefthamstring,andthenyouknow,turningontheTVanddoingsomethingelse.Wetrytomakeitprescriptive.Soeachroutinehasaspecificgoalforit.Andyou'renotjustdoingkindofaonesizefitsallmobilityroutine.

Sowestartedthat,actuallyafterIgothurt.Andwe'reexpandingitquiteabitthisyear.Andwe'rereallyexcitedforwhat'scomingupwiththat.BecauseIthinkthat'soneofthosethingswheremostpeopledon'trealizehowmuchtheycando.Youknow,onImpossible,Italkaboutpushingpastyourlimitsanddoingmorethanyouthinkyoucan.Butoneofthecorollariesofthatisthatyoualsohavetotakecareofyourbody,muchmorethanyoumightbeabletogetawaywithifyou'renotpushingyourself.Soifyou'rejustdoingyoureverydaything,andthenallofasuddenyoustart,youknow,reallypushingyourselfreallyhardinthegymorrunningoranythinglikethat.Youhavetoreallykindofstepupyourlevelofself-careandrecoveryandwhatyou'regonnaallowyourselftodo.


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Andso,youknow,wewantpeopletopushthemselves,wewantthemtoexperiencemorethingsanddoimpossiblethings.Butwealsowantpeopletotakecareofthemselvesandrecoverwell.Andthere'saquote,I'mnotsurehowaccurateitisbutIlikethemessageofit.Andit's,"There'snosuchthingasovertraining,justunder-recovery."AndwhatI'vefoundisalotofpeoplecanreallypushthemselvesalotfurtherthantheythinktheycan.Butyouhavetotakecareofyourselffirst.Andifyou'renotfocusedonrecovery,andthataspect,that'swhereinjuriespopup,that'swherethingscropupwherethey'llsetyouback,youknow,two,four,sixmonthsorsomethinglikethat.Andthat'skindofwhatwewannaavoid.

Katie:Andthat'ssuchanaccurate,it'slikecorrelationtolifeingeneral,islike,youknow,youcanpushhardinanyarea,butyoualsohavetoputinthetimeforrecovery.Andwhetheritbeself-careortosleep,likemostpeopledon'tevenprioritizesleepanymore.I'mcurious,doyouhaveanysleeprituals?BecauseIguesstrainingtakesaprettybigtollonthebody.Doyouhaveanythingthathelpsyousleepormaintainyoursleepquality?

Joel:Yeah,IreallyliketotakecoldshowersbeforeIgotobed.Somethingaboutitcalmsmedown,it'sreallyhardto…IjustmovedtoTexas.Andit'sactuallyreallyhardtotakecoldshowershere.IjustgotthechiliPAD,Istillhaven'tsetitupyet,butI'mreallyexcitedaboutthat.AndthenIhavelikeSleepInductionMats,I'vegotacoupleofdifferentones.IthinkIjusthaveageneralone.ButthenIjustpickeduptheonefromtheAkuspikeguys.AndIlovethat,thatwasagame-changerforme.Andasleepinductionmatisbasicallyjustthismatwithabunchoflittlespikesonit.Andsomethingaboutit,itjustforcesmetorelaxasIfallasleep.Andthen,youknow,youlayonitfor10or15minutesthenyourolloff.SoIliterallyhavethechiliPADlikerightbehindme,andIhavetogetitsetupheresometimesoon.ButI'mexcitedaboutthat.

Andthenthesleepinductionmatstomewerelike…whenIwastraveling,IwastravelingfortwoyearsstraightandItravelreallylightandthesleepinductionmatwassoimportanttomethatIwaslike,Imadeitapartofjustmypackinggear.Andittakesupadecentamountofspace.Soitwasn'tlikeasmallcommitmenttomyoverallluggage,butitwasthatimportant.AnditwasthathelpfulwithmegettingsleeponaregularbasisthatIdecidedtokeepitinrotation.

Katie:Well,IknowwhereIstand,butyou'vegottogetthechiliPADoutofthebox.It'stotallyagamechangerwhenitcomestosleep.Iloveit,likewhenItravelnow,Iliketouseitsomuch,especiallywithanywherewarm,justlike,"Oh,where'smychiliPAD?"

Joel:Like,callthehotelupaheadoftimeyou'relike,"Hey,doyouhaveachiliPADyoucansetupformebecausethatwouldbegreat."

Katie:Ihaveafriendwhoshipsoneeverywherehegoesbeforehegetsthere.

Joel:Areyouserious?


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Katie:Completely.I'mnotquitetothatlevelyetbutIlove,love,lovethechiliPAD.AndtheynowhavetheonecalledOOLERwhichmightbetheoneyouhavethat's,like,youcanprogramIthinkfromyourphone.Butyeah,totalgame-changerwhenitcomestosleep.ButIwouldthinkthecoldshowerideawouldbeasimilarlikethingcoolingyourbodytemperature,somebodywhodoesn'thaveachiliPADtheycouldtrythattostartwithforsure.

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Katie:SoIknewthiswasgonnaflybysoquickbecauseyou'resofuntotalkto.ButIcan'tbelievewe'regettingneartheendalready.Andthere'sacouplequestionsIreallywannahearyouranswersto.Thefirstbeingifthereisabookornumberofbooksthathavereallychangedyourlifeoryourmindsetinsomeway?Ifso,whattheyareandwhy?

Joel:Yeah,sothebookthatIalwaystellpeopleaboutiscalled"AMillionMilesinaThousandYears"byanauthorcalledDonaldMiller.Andthis…I'vereadthisacoupletimesovertheyears,butthisisoneoftheonesIreadwhenIwaslivinginmyparent'sbasement.Andtheauthorbasicallytalksaboutlookingatyourlifelikeastory.Andheaskedthequestion,you,"Ifyourlifewasastory,orifyourlifewasabook,wouldanybodywanttoreadit?"AndwhatIrealizedinmyparent'sbasementwasthatifmylifewasastory,atthatpoint,itwasa


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storyaboutaguysittingonhiscouchwatchingabunchofotherpeoplelikeliveinterestingstories.AndsoIwaslike,"Oh,Ineedtochangesomething."

Andsothatwasprobablythemostimpactfulbookjustfromaperspectiveshift.BecausethenanytimeIcomeuptolikeabigobstacleorsomethingthat'shardordifficult,youknow,like,it'snotsomething…it'snotallofasuddensomethingthat'shardordifficult.It'sjustlikeachallengeinthestoryline.And,youknow,ifyouevergowatchamovie,andthere'snobigobstacleinthemovie,it'saprettyboringmovie.Likeifthere'snochallengetheprotagonisthastoovercome,there'snoreasonforyoutobeatthatmovie.

Andsothatbook'sbeensuperimpactful.Anditletsyoukindofstepoutsideyourfirst-personnarrativeandlookatyourselfaslike,inthirdperson,andbelike,"Okay,whatwouldIwantagenericcharactertodointhissituation?"Andthenyou'reabletokindofliketransportyourselfintothatcharacterandbe,like,"Okay,let'splayfirst-personnowand,like,let'sgodothehardthingbecausethat'swhatagoodcharacterdoes."Andsothat"AMillionMilesinaThousandYears"reallyrecommendit,it'sprobablyoneofmyfavorites.Andit'ssuperhelpfulifyou'relookingkindofforaperspectiveshift.

Katie:Ilovethat.Andthat'sanewrecommendationonthispodcast.I'llmakesurethatlinkgetsintheshownotes.

Joel:Thankyou.

Katie:Anylikepartingadvice,wordsofwisdomthatyouleavewiththelistenerstoday?

Joel:Ithink,youknow,thiskindofwhatwe'vejustbeentalkingaboutthelastcouple,youknow,last40minutes,orso.ButIthinkpeoplereallyundervaluetheimportanceofhardphysicalchallenges.AndthemoreIthinkaboutandthemoreIdoit,themoreIkeepcomingbacktothat.Andit'ssoeasytobecomfortable.Andit'ssoeasyeventalkaboutthisstuff,youknow,there'samillionpodcastsoutthererightnowbelike,youknow,"Growthbeginsattheedgeofyourcomfortzone."And,youknow,peopletalkaboutorpeoplepostonPinterestorInstagram,andtheytalkaboutgettingoutsidetheircomfortzone.Butifyoutellsomeonetojumpinlikeanicebath,they'llfightyouaboutit.

AndwhatIfoundisjustthe…likethedailypracticeoffindingsomethingthat'snotjustuncomfortable,butit'sactuallyphysicallyhardorphysicallydifficult.Butalso,youknow,ifyoucan,physicallydifficultbutmeaningful,andthatcanbemeaningfultoyouinwhateverwaythatmeans.ButIfindthoseexperiencesthatI'vetakenonthathavebeenvery,verydifficultwhereI'vewantedtoquitmultipletimes,andIsomehowdugdeepenoughtopushthrough.Thoseareprobablythebiggest…themosttransformativeexperiencesI'vehad.

AndIthinkwehaveaprettybiglackofthem,likejustinmodernsociety.Andso,youknow,ifthere'slikeaspecificchallenge,Iwouldsay,youknow,ifpeopledon'thaveanicebath,orsomethinglikethat,Ialwaystellpeopletotakefiveminutesofcoldshowers.Iftheywannapracticedoingsomethingthatgetsthem


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uncomfortable,you'realreadytakingacoldshower,you'realready,youknow,turningthedialonedirection,allyouhavetodoisturnittheotherdirection,anddoitforfiveminutes.Anditmightbehard,itmightbedifficult,andyoumight,youknow,notlikethisguyonthepodcastthatyou'relisteningto.Butwhenyou'redone,yourealize,itwashard,itwasdifficult,butitwasjustfiveminutes.Andyoucandoanythingforfiveminutes.Andthenyoualsorealize,you'reabletodootherthingsthatyouthinkmightbehardmightbedifficult,butyou'reabletodoit.Sothat'smypartingadvice.

Katie:Ilovethat.Andit'slikethat'saperfectplacetoend,I'llmakesurethatwelinktoeverythingyoumentioned,the777Project,andImpossible,andMoveWell,andalltheplacespeoplecanfindyou.Butifpeoplejustwanttostayintouchwithyouonlineorfollowyourjourneyandyourmarathons,where'sthebestplacetofindyou?

Joel:Yeah,impossiblehq.comisthemainsiteforImpossible.AndthenyoucanfindmeonTwitter,[email protected].

Katie:Awesome.Iwillmakesureallofthosearelinked.Joel,thanksfortakingthetime.Thiswassomuchfun.

Joel:Thanksforhavingme.

Katie:Andthankstoallofyouforlisteningandsharingyourmostvaluableassetofyourtimewithustoday.We'resogladyoudid.AndIhopethatyouwilljoinmeagainonthenextepisodeof"TheWellnessMamaPodcast."

Ifyou'reenjoyingtheseinterviews,wouldyoupleasetaketwominutestoleavearatingorreviewoniTunesforme?Doingthishelpsmorepeopletofindthepodcast,whichmeansevenmoremomsandfamiliescouldbenefitfromtheinformation.Ireallyappreciateyourtime,andthanksasalwaysforlistening.

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