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Episode276:WhatYouNeedtoKnowAboutOlive

OilwithTonyKasandrinos


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Child:WelcometomyMommy’spodcast.

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Katie:Helloandwelcometothe"WellnessMamaPodcast."I'mKatiefromwellnessmama.com.AndIamheretodaywithsomeonewhoIamsoimpressedbyonmanylevels,especiallyhistimemanagement,andeverythingheaccomplishes.IthoughtIwasbusy,butIamherewithTonyKasandrinos,whoistheco-founderofKasandrinosOliveOil,whichyou'veprobablyseenmecookwithonInstagram.

HeisanativeofNewYork,buthespentagoodportionofhischildhoodinhisfather'svillageinGreece.Andattheageof17,hejoinedtheMarineCorps,andhehasbeenservingonactivedutysincethen,buthegetsto


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retiresoon.Hemayactuallyberetiredbythetimethisairs,andfocusfulltimeonKasandrinosOliveOil,whichismyfavoriteforsure.Tony,welcome,andthanksforbeinghere.

Tony:Oh,thankyouforhavingme.It'sapleasure.

Katie:Well,definitelyIwannagodeeponoliveoil.Butfirst,IjusthavetotalkaboutGreecebecauseIhaveyettogetthere.It'stopofmylistofthenextplacesIwanttogo.AndyouhearsomuchaboutGreece.Havingnotbeenthere,IreadabouttheBlueZones,thedietthere,andhowit'ssohealthy.There'sobviouslysomuchinGreeceasfavor,andyou'veactuallyspentalotoftimethere.SoI'dlovetojusthearaboutingeneralaboutGreeceandsomeofthethingsyouthinkwecanalllearnfrom,whetheritbethecultureorthediet,oranythinginGreece.

Tony:Oh,definitely.Imean,wecouldtalkforhoursaboutthis,butI'lltrytomakeitshort.Butit'sdefinitely...Imean,I'vemanagedto...I'vebeenfortunateenoughthroughmymilitarycareer,whichhasbeen20-plusyearsnow,tospendalotofmyvacationtimeinGreece.Iusuallysaveitupfortwoyears,andI'llgoforamonthatatime.

Butit'sawholedifferentworldfromwhatwe'rereallyusedtoinAmerica,unfortunately.Butit'smuchmorelaidbackandrelaxed.Andthefirstthingmostpeoplewillnoticeispeopledon'treallyworkalotthere.Itmightbeagoodorbadthing,butit'salot...you'llnoticealotofstoresareclosedthroughoutmuchoftheday.

Butpeoplearereallyfocusedonfamilyandeating,andeatingsomemore,andgoingtothebeach.Andnutritionally,it'sverydifferent.YoudohaveafewdifferentpartsofGreece.YouhaveAthensandSalonika,likethemajorcities,andthenyouhavetherestoftheothercountries,therestofthecountry,whichisactuallyverysmall.It'slandsize,aboutthesizeofNewJersey.

SolifeinAthensisvery,verydifferentasopposedtolifeinmostpartsofthecountry.It'slikegoingbackintime,alot.Youknow,whenwegobackthere,thevastmajorityofourfoodcomesfromthebackyard.It'sveryvegetable-heavy,alotoffruit.Youdoeatalotofmeat,too.Butit'sgenerallycomingfromthebackyardorfromyourfields,whereverthatmightbe.Tonsoffreshfishandseafoodeverydayaslongasyoulivearoundthecoast,whichisthemajorityofGreece.

Soyou'rejusteatingalotlessprocessedfood,andalotmorejustrealvegetables,fruit,cheese,dairy,andfreshanimalsthatwereprobablyeithercaughtorkilledwithinaveryshortperiodoftime.Butthebiggestdifferenceoutofanything,Iwouldsay,isdefinitelyjustthelifestyle,andthefactthatpeoplewalkalotmoreovertherethanwedohere.

Katie:Yeah.Itseemslikethat'salotofEuropeorsomethingI'venoticedeverytimeI'mthere,it'ssomucheasiertowalkthanitistodriveortakeatrainalotoftimes.Andit'sjustsomuchmoreapartoflifewhere,ofcourse,allthestatistics,weknowhowmuchwearesittingasAmericansonaverage.ButIalsothoughtthat


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youbroughtuptheanimalproteinsideandthedairysidebecauseIthinkthere'samisconceptionwhenitcomestoBlueZones.

Andyouoftenhearlike,"Oh,they'reallvegan."Andactually,they'renot,atleastfromanyoftheresearchI'veseen.Ihaven'tvisitedthem,butyoumentionedthatanimalproductsareapartofthecultureinGreece,wherelifespanisbetterthanitisintheU.S.ButIthinkyou'reright,havingthatcloseaccesstoyourfoodsupply,andthatlocalandfreshaspectissoimportant.Andwedefinitelydon'thavethatnearlyasstronginAmerica.

Tony:Yeah.AndI'veactuallytalkedtomydad,andmyuncle,andalotofmyrelativesaboutthis.AndthingshavedefinitelychangedIthinkinthelast...eveninGreece,inthelast50to100years.Theydefinitelydoeatalotofmeatthere.ButIwouldsay,upuntilmorerecenttimestheyate...itwasmoreperiodic,liketheywouldn'teatmeateveryday.

I'vetalkedtomyfatheraboutthisalot.Sowewouldhavechickenusuallyonceaweekortwiceaweek.Theyhadalotofseafood.Andalotofthisisgonnadependonifyou'reonthecoastornot,becauseifyou'reonthecoastyou'regonnabehavingalotmorefishandseafood.Whereasifyou'reupinthemountains,you'reveryrarelygonnahaveseafood.

SotheydefinitelydoeatmeatinmostofGreece.Thatbeingsaid,it'snotalwayspartofbreakfast,lunch,anddinner.It'susuallyonlyatdinner,anditisn'teveryday.Thereareactuallyalotofnon-meatentreesthatarein...Ithinktheydefinitelyoverallprobablyconsumelessmeatthroughouttheday,alldaylongeveryday.Butthatbeingsaid,Ithink,IonlysayIthink,I'mprettyveryconfidentthatthequalityofthemeatandthefreshnessofthemeatisdefinitelymuchhigherthanoverhereintheStates.

Katie:Forsure.AndImean,there'sdefinitelyaperceptionthatolivesandoliveoilareaverybigpartofthecultureaswell.AndImean,that'sobviouslytobetruefromwhatI'vetalkedtoyouabout.Butthatalso,tome,makesalotofsense,becauseweknowsomeofthedataonhowhealthyoliveoilis.It'soneoftheonlyoilsthatIhaveneverseenvilified,actually.

Coconutoilwasgreat,andthenitwasbad,andthenitwasgreatagain.Animalfatshavehadtheirupsanddowns.Butprettymucheveryoneseemstoagreethatoliveoilisgreat.And,isitconsumedreallyregularlyinGreece?Howmuchofisitapartofadailystaplediet?

Tony:Oh,yeah.Soit'severything,tothepointwheremymostofmylife,upuntilmaybe10yearsago,beforeIstartedourcompanyis,youjusttakeitforgrantedbecauseit'ssomethingthat'salwaysthere.Imean,it'salmostlikewater.It'sjust,like,always...it'salwaysbeenabigpartofourlife.Andgrowingup,youneverreallythinkaboutit,butwedoeverythingwithitfrom,peopleuseitforskincare,weusedittocookliterallyeverything.


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There'sreallynotalotofGreekdishesthatdon'thaveoliveoilintheminsomeway,shape,orform.Andalotoftimes,especiallybeingmoreawareofhowmuchyou'reconsumingandwhatnot,we'llhaveaGreeksaladandliterallyputahalfabottleofoliveoilonthissaladtowhereit'sjustsaturatedinoil.Butyeah,theaverageGreekperson,statistically,theyconsumeabout26litersofoliveoilayear,which,ifyoubreakitdown,andyou'veseenourstandard500-milliliterbottle,that'sessentiallyonebottleaweek.Sothat'squiteabitcomparedtowhatmostpeoplehereeatin.Mepersonally,Itendtousealotmorebitinthesummerwhenwegotfreshvegetables.Butyeah,it'salotmorethanwe'reconsuminghereintheStates,that'sforsure.

Katie:That'sfascinating.AndbasedonsomeofthedataI'veseen,allthepolyphenolsinoliveoilactuallyhavealittlebitofasun-protectiveeffect,bothontheskinandinternallybecausethey'reanti-inflammatoryandavarietyofothermechanisms.Sothatmakessensethatinthesummer,youwouldconsumemore.Andagain,havingneverbeenthere,IknowGreeceisasunnyclimatesothat...Iwonderifthatalsocomesintoplaywiththehealthbenefitsthere.

Tony:Yeah.Itendto...whatitreallyisformebecauseIeatGreeksaladsreligiously,like,comearoundrightnow,likeMay,June-ish,throughlikeSeptember,whichis,foranyonethatdoesn'tknow,it'sessentiallyliketomatoesandcucumbers,andsomeoregano,feta,andoliveoil,peppers,andonions.ButIdefinitelyprobablyoneadayofaGreeksalad.Ithinkit'smorealsobecauseI'minGreeceinthesummertime.Sowe'realwaysdefinitelyconsumingatonofitoverthere.Yeah,itdefinitelyhasalotofgreatbenefitsinmorewaysthanone,that'sforsure.

Katie:Sotellmethestoryofhowitgothere.HowdiditgofromyourfamilyfarminGreecetonowthiscompanywhereIcanthankfullyorderitonlineandhaveitdeliveredtomyhouse?

Tony:So,itstarted,Iwasanet...Imean,we'vealwayshadoliveoilinourfamily.We'vealwayshadabunchofoliveorchardsinGreecebetweenmygrandparentsandmyparents,andaunts,anduncles,andcousins.So,likeItoldyou,it'salwaysbeenaround.

WereallyneverretailedithereintheStatesbutwewouldbringenough.We'dbottleourownandbringitoverhere,annually,justenoughforallofourfamily,whichisalotofpeople.Sowe'dactuallybringoverquiteafewpalletsofoilforfamilyandfriends.

Ihadgonebackto...IwasstationedinPhiladelphiaatthetime,andI'dgonebacktoRochestertovisitmydadandbroughtacasebackwithme.Anditwaslikethenextnight,theCrossFitgymIwastrainingatthetime,wehadareallytight-knitcommunity.AndthisiskindoflikewhenthewholePaleoworldwasstartingtocomeon.Andwewerehaulingfood.

Soweusedtodoweeklygatheringswherewewouldjustkindofcookat...we'dallbringfoodintothegymandeatit.Probablynotthemostsanitarythingintheworld.Butitwasmybuddy'sbirthday.AndmyfriendErinwhoownedthegym,shehadabigbottleofalessergradeItalianoliveoil.I'mnotgonnanamethecompany,butitwasonthetablethere.


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SoItoldAaron,Iwaslike,"Letmebringsomeofourstuffin."Soeverybodytriedit,andtheylovedit.Soitkindoflikesnowballedfromthere.Everybodywasaskingme,"Hey,canIgetsomemore?CanIgetsomemore?"AndImadeafewmoretripsbacktoRochesteroverthefollowingmonths,andbroughttons...atthispointIwaslikebringingcaseswithme.

Andjustdecided,hey,withtheencouragementofoneofmyfriends,Diane.Shewaslike,"Yougottoturnthisintoabusiness."Andafewmonthslater,Imadethedecision,"Okay,I'mgonnaorderabunch.I'mgonnacomeoutwithourownprivatelabelandseehowitgoes."Imadealittlewebsiteanddirectlyshipped,whichgotveryoldveryquick.Butthat'sprettymuchhowitstarted.

Andthenitgotquiteoverwhelming,veryquick.Withinafewmonths,IwasgettingmoreordersthanIcouldhandlebymyself.AndIwasalsogettingreadytopotentiallydeploytoAfghanistan.SoIwaslike,"Okay,Igottoshutthisdownforagoodsixmonths."SoIcalledEffie,mysisterandnowbusinesspartner,Iwaslike,"Hey,youwannadothiswithme?"ShewasworkingatJPMorganatthetime.

AndIwaslike...attheendoftheday,Ididnothavethetimereallytorunabusiness.IwasverybusywiththeMarineCorps.AndIwasbasicallycominghomefromworkwiththeMarineCorpsintheeveningandworkingallnightlong.Andthentotally,theentireweekends,andI'msittingtheretryingtolearnhowtobuildawebsiteandgetallthebackendsideofbusinessthingsdone,whichgotveryoverwhelming.

So,broughtEffieonboard,andshetookoveralotofthelogisticsandfinancialsideofthings,whichIdon'treallylovedoing.She'sbetteratthatthanIam.AndIwasabletofocusongrowingthebusinessanddoingthebigmarketingsideofthings.Andherewearenow,sevenyearslater.

Katie:Iloveit.AndIlovefamilybusinessesandbeingabletosupportthataswell.Let'stalkaboutsomeofthecomponentsofoliveoil,because,likeIsaid,pureoliveoilisonethingI'veneverheardvilifiedever.It'skindofuniversallyagreedtobereallygoodforyouunlessyouhadatrueallergy.Buttherewasallthisstuffthatcameoutafewyearsagoaboutdeceptionintheoliveoilworld,andhowthingsarebeingmarketedaspureoliveoilthatweren’t,andwhatthosetermsactuallymean.

AndIknowthatyouguysgoaboveandbeyondwhenitcomestotransparencyandtesting.Butcanyouwalkusthroughwhataresomeofthethingsweactuallyjustneedtobeawareaboutingeneralwhenitcomestooliveoilandthepotentialfordeceptionintheindustry?

Tony:Okay.Soletmestartoffreallyquickonthat.ThewholethingcameaboutwhenUCDaviscameoutwithareportsaying,youknow,thevastmajorityofoliveoilisnotextravirginoliveoil.There'safewdifferentreasonsforthat,inmyopinion.AndIcanonlyreallyspeakforourcompanyandwhatwedo,andthenfriendsofminewhoalsodooliveoil.


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Iwouldventuretosaythevastmajorityofoliveoilisnotfakeoradulterated.Ithinkthey'redefinitely...ithashappenedinthepast.ThebiggestproblemIseeinAmericaisthatwe'reconsumingolderoliveoil,andthat'sjustthewholedistributionprocess.AndalotofotherfactorsthatgointothatasfarassittingonastoreshelfforXamountofdays,sittingunderthelight,anditoxidizing.

Butatthecoreofit,ifweallgetapure,firstpressed,coldpressedextravirginoliveoil,it'sgonnabedifferentdependingonmultiplethingslikewhereitcamefrom,whatkindofoliveswereused,theweatherorthatseason.Imean,there'salotofdifferentinputsthatgointohowtheoliveoilwillcomeout.

ButwhenitactuallymakesitheretotheStates,thattimeframeandhowlongthattook,andsomeotherthingsthatsomebig,hugeoliveoilcompanieswilldo.Andalotoftimesthey'llmixlastyear'soliveoilwiththisyear'soliveoil.Andthatdoesn'tnecessarilymakeitbad.Butit'slikeit'snotashighqualitybecausethat'sreallyoneofthebiggestmisconceptionswitholiveoil.

Andsomepeople,theyjustdon'tknowbecausetheykindofassumeitgoeshandinhandwithwine,anditlikegetsbetterovertime,whereoliveoilistheopposite.It'sactuallyafreshfruitjuiceessentially,andyouwannaconsumeitasfastaspossible.Itwillstaygoodforafewyears.Itjuststartsdegradingovertime.Andthat'soneofourbigthings.Andkindofwhywe'vereallybeenagainstsellingitinthestores,isweonlyprovideorofferthisyear'scurrentharvestofoliveoil.And,sometimes,whenyousellitatstoresyoukindoflosethecontrolofthat.

Katie:Thatmakesperfectsense,thatyouwannaprotect,andthat'swhyyoualso,likeyousaid,youwouldwantdarkbottles,oryouguysalsosellingmetal.Thatalsohelpskeepit?

Tony:Yeah.So,weactuallyareglassbottles,andthisisalotthatgoesintothepricingofoliveoil.Sometimesyou'llgoandseereallycheaperoliveoilatWalmartorwhatnot.Andthere'salotoffactorsthatgointothecost.Andthatactuallyisoneofthem,isthepackaging,andeventheglass.

Youcanhave...there'sdifferentgradesofglassanddifferentamountoflighttheyallowin.Andourglass,it'sactuallyprobablyaboutquadruplethepriceofsomeglassbottlesbecauseweusereallydark,pharmaceuticalgradeglassforoursmallerbottles.Andevenwiththat,westillrecommendpeoplekeepthemintheirkitchencupboardsinsteadofontheirkitchencounter.

Eventhoughweloveourbottleandthedesignofit,it'slikeputitaway.ButthenwealsodohavetheBPA-freecansthatwehaveourlargerportionsin,andthatobviouslyallowsnolighttocomethrough.Becauseweactually...sowedo...justtogoonthis.Sowedoachemicalanalysisoneverylotofoliveoil.AndwedotwooftheminGreeceandthenonehereintheStates.

Andwe'veactuallytestedouroliveoilinitially,andthenwetesteditaftersixmonths,andwedidtwodifferentbottles.Oneweleftonthecounterinthebasicallyjustnormalsunlight,andthenonewehadinthe


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cupboard.Andtheonethatwasleftonthecounterwasactuallyseverelydegradedcomparedtotheonethatwasinsidethedark.

Katie:That'sfascinating.IhopeI'mgoingtosayitright,butoleicacid,whatthatis,andwhatweneedtoknowaboutthatorwhatpercentageisgoodtolookforinthat?

Tony:Okay.Greatquestion.It'sprettymuchit'samonounsaturatedfattyacid.Thethingis,justlikewithallyourcomponentsoftheoliveoil,dependingonthespecificharvest,whatkindofolivesareused,it'sgonnavary.It'sgenerallybetween50%,55%,andevenupwardsof80%oftheoliveoil.

Theonlywaytoreallygetanaccuratenumberiswithachemicalanalysiswhereitreallybreaksdownalltheacidcompoundsaslong,aswellasthepolyphenols.So,itactuallyissomethingthatdoesvaryyeartoyearorharvesttoharvest.Weactuallydopostallofourchemicalanalysisonourwebsiteandtiethemwithalotnumber.

Andtheneverybottleandcanwillcomewithitsspecificlotnumber,justto,youknow...Becausewereallyliketobeastransparentaspossiblesopeoplecansee,"Okay,thiswastheaciditylevelofthisoliveoilthisyear.Anditwillfluctuatebytenthsofpercentagepointsyear-to-year."Butit'sdefinitelyoneoftheimportantcompoundsofoliveoil.

Katie:Gotit.Andwhataboutkindofgiveusaprimeronthedifferentclassesofoliveoilaswell?Ithinkmostpeopleareprettyfamiliarwithextravirginoliveoilbecausewehearthatalot.Butwhatdoallthedifferenttypesactuallymeanandwhat'sthedifference?

Tony:Okay.So,honestly,extravirginoliveoilsandvirginoliveoil'sprobablytheonlytwoIwouldbeeating,butitisgonna...theactualacidityleveliswhatisgonnabreakdown.Theextravirginis0.8andbelowaciditylevel,whereanextravirginishigherthanthat.Nowtherealimportantthingforpeopletounderstandis,extravirginoliveoils,tobeconsideredextravirginoliveoil,0.8orbelow,there'sactuallyquiteadifferencebetweena0.7anda0.2.Soyoureallywannafindthelowestpossiblecontentthatyoucanfind.Andthenabovethat,youhaveyourvirginoliveoil.Thatisactuallymuchlighter.

Alotoftimesyou'llseeyourlightoliveoil,anditdoesn'treallyhavealotoftastetoit.It'salotblander,whichthere'sdefinitelysomeusesforit.Imean,ifyouwannamakeamayoandit'snotasstrong,that'sprobablywhatyouwouldwannauseafterthat.Andthenbeyondthat,youreally...youhavelikeyourrefinedoliveoilandyourpomaceoliveoil,whichisprettymuchyourlowestgradeofoliveoil.

It'susuallytheoilthathasbeenpressedaftertheinitialpressoftheolives,soit'salowergrade.It'susuallyusedforskincareproductsor,really,notsomethingyou'dreallywannaconsume.Andthenbeyondthat,youhaveafewotherdowngradedlevelsoftheoliveoil,butthat'sprettymuchusedforlampoil.Butattheendof


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theday,really,allyou'rereallyneedtobeconcernedwithasaconsumerforfood,though,istheextravirginandactualvirginoil.Andhonestly,I'dstickwiththeextravirgin.

Katie:Gotit.Thatmakessense.Andyouguysevenhaveshirts,whenIseeyouatconferences,that'ssaythatIloveit.

Tony:That'sjustconversationfailure.

Katie:Andtocirclebacktowhatyousaid,I'vewrittenanoteearlier.Andjusttoreiterate,soyousaidthatinGreece,theaveragepersonconsumes26litersperyear,whichisessentiallyabottleaweek,whichisamazingbecause,Imean,Ithinkit'sbeenlargelydebunkedbynow.Buttheideathateatingfatmakesyoufatbecausethat'sasubstantialamountofcaloriesfromfat.AndyetGreecehasmuchlowerobesityratesandheartdiseaserates,likeactuallyspectacularheartdiseaserates,aregreat.Andtheyconsumealotofoliveoil,whichspeaks,again,totheprotectiveeffectsthere.

Canyoujustdelvealittlebitmoreintothebenefitsofoliveoil,evenatthatlevelofconsumption?BecausecertainlythedataI'veseen,theredoesn'tseemtobereallyanupperlimitwhereitisnotbeneficial.Butwhatdoyouseeassomeofthebiggestbenefits?

Tony:Imean,attheendoftheday,wecanalwaysfindstudiesinsciencethatsayfatishealthy,fatisnothealthy.Thesamethingwithyoucanprettymuchdoanythingwiththatonewhenitcomestocarbsorwhatnot.ButtheconsumptionoftheoliveoilinGreeceis...Imean,andagain,I'mnotascientist,IgobyoffofwhatIknow,andwhatI'veseen,andhowlongmyfamilymembers,onaverage,I'dsaythatrightaroundthe100-yearmark,allmydad'saunts,anduncles,andmygrandparents,they'reallstillaliveandkicking,andtheyliveoffthisstuff.Andtheyhavebeenconsumingittheirentirelives,andtheyconsumeitinverylargequantities.

Andmostofthatisbasicallybecausethat'salltheyhave.Evencoconutoil,goodlucktryingtofindcoconutoilinsouthernGreece,orprettymuchanywhereinGreece,orreally,anyothersourcesoffat.Imean,you'llgetbutterhereandthere,butnotreallynearlytotheamountthatweusehereintheStates.

Andattheendoftheday,theoliveoiloutsideofanimalfatisbasicallyyouronlysourceoffatoverthere.They'rereallynoteatingtoomanyotheroils,that'sforsure,andnotalotofotherthingsotherthanoil,oroliveoilandsomedairyhereandthere.

Katie:Yeah.IthinkthatratioisprobablyimportantbecausethelatestresearchI'veseen,atleast,isnotthatanyparticular...notthatsaturatedfatisinherentlybadatall.Butitdoesseemtodependonthatratioofmonounsaturatedfatsthatyou'realsogetting,thingslikegreenvegetablesandallofthecomponentsinthatthatyou'regetting,it'snotjustkindofinavacuum.


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AnotherquestionIgetalotwhenitcomestooliveoil,anditseemssemi-controversial,I'mhopingyouhaveastrongopiniononis,whataboutcookingwitholiveoil?Becausetherewasallthiskindofnewswhilebackthatyoushouldn'theatitatacertainpointwhereit'sdangerouswhenyouheatit.ButeverytimeI'vebeeninEurope,everybodycookswitholiveoil.Sowhat'syourtakeonthat?

Tony:So,again,youhaveconflictingscienceandreports.AndI'veseenlikesomuchconflictinginformationonthis,becauseit'sthingsI'minterestedin,obviously,it'sinmyworld.Icansay,Ipersonallydon'treallycookwithitaton.ButIwilltellyouinsouthernEurope,likeGreece,Italy,Spain,andalltheislandsaroundtheMediterranean,everybodycookswithit,andtheycookvirtuallyeverythinginit.

Weactually,surprisingly,eatalotoffriesinGreece.ButfriesarecookedinGreece,orwithoilinGreece.Anysortsofmeats,ifyou'recookinganyseafood,Imean,it'sallcookedinoliveoil.Ipersonallyreallydon'tcookwithitallthatmuchjustbecause,actually,Ireallylikecookingmymeatsinghee.ButIdouseitcold,it'sobviouslymystaplewhenitcomestovegetables.

AndIdoputitovercertainmeatsafterI'vecookedit.Buthonestly,Igetthisquestionallthetimefrommycustomers.I'mlike,it'sapersonalchoice.It'sliketalkingaboutreligionorpolitics.AllIcansayisthepeoplethatlivealothealthierandlongerthanwedoinAmericadefinitelyuseoliveoiltocookwith.

Katie:Yeah,it'strue.AndIthinkI'vedefinitelyheardpeoplekindofstressaboutshouldwecookwitholiveoilandnotcookwithit.Butthere'sstillotheraspectsofdietthatcould...maybegetridofthesugar,there'salotofotherdietarythingswecouldchangeinAmericathatwouldmakeabiggerimpactthanifthereisanypotentialdangerofcookingwitholiveoil.

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Katie:AndIwannamakesurewereservesometimenowtotalkaboutbecauseobviously,Iloveyouroliveoil.It'llbelinkedintheshownotesorit'sjustatkasandrinos.com.ButIalsowannahearfromyouselfishlyhowyoumanageyourtimeandyourstress.Because,likeIsaid,IfeellikeI'mrelativelybusyandIhavemultiplefull-timejobs,butIamnotactivedutymilitaryandanentrepreneuratthesametime.So,kindofwalkmethrough,howdoyoumanagework-lifebalance?

Tony:Well,theonemostimportantaspect,Ithink,andIknowasapolaroppositewithyouisIdon'thavechildren.BecauseIknowthat'sdefinitelyaddstoit.BecausemysisterEffie,who'smybusinesspartner,shehasthreelittleonesthatareone,three,andfive,andthatdefinitelyaddstoalotlessofyourtime.SoIhavethatgoingformewhenitcomestomytimemanagement.

ButtheMarineCorpsdoesownmeforagoodmajorityoftheday.I'mgenerallyleavingforworkat6:00inthemorning,andIgethomearound4:30or5:00.Andthat'swithoutanysortofdeploymentsgoingonorwhatnot.Igenerallywakeupbetween4:00and4:15everyday.Butthenumberonething,andIlearnedthisbackwhenIwasarecruiter,isreallyto...IreallyaccountforalmosteveryminutethatI'mawake.

IhaveadailyOutlookschedulerthatIhave.Anditstartsat4:00inthemorninganditusuallyendsat9:00atnight.Andthedaybefore,IalwaysgothroughandIschedule,"Okay,thisiswhatI'mgonnabedoingfrom..."Eveninthemorningwhenit'sbetween4:00a.m.and6a.m,andthenIhavemyworktimescheduled,andthenI'llhavemylunchtimescheduled.

AndthenevenwhenIgethome,I'meithergoingtothegymbetweenthistimeofthistime,andI'mgonnahave...youknow,I'mgonnaeatdinnerat6:00p.m.AndthenI'mgonnaworkonKasandrinosfrom7:00to8:30.AndthenI'mgoingbed.I'mlike,Iusuallygotobedaround,between8:00and9:00everynight.Butthebiggestthingisreallytomaximizeeveryminute.


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Weonlygetsomanyminutesandhoursinaday.AndIthinkalotofitisoften,especiallynowadayswithsocialmediaandthenewsontheinternet24/7,Ithinkalotoftimeiswasted,justtokindofdoingthingsthataren'treallyproductive.So,biggestthingisjusttoreallybreakdownyourdayandaccountforyourminutesandwhatyou'redoingandwhenyou'redoingthem.

Katie:Yeah,Itotallyagree.You'reright,thekidthingisdifferent.AndalotofpeoplelisteningaremomsandsoIjustwannaoffer...likespeaktothatforaminute.Becausekidsareadifferentballgame,andtheydotakequiteabitoftimeandenergy.Butalso,wedoalittlebitmoreflexibilitysometimesthenbeingactivedutymilitary,andIjusthavealotofrespectforeverythingyou'veaccomplishedwhilejugglingthattoo.

AndIshareyourfocusonmaximizingthehoursthatyouhaveandtheminutesthatyouhave.AndIdoasimilarthinginmyownlifeofmanagingverycarefullymytimeduringtheday.Andforme,thebiggestbenefitI'vefoundfromthatalsoisthatitfreesyouupmentally.BecausethatwassomethingIrealizedearlyoninmotherhoodwasthatIwasstressedoutallthetimebecauseIwastryingtomanageinmyheadallofthethingsthathadtohappeninagivendayandalltheappointments,andwhoneededwhat,andthemealplanning,andeverything.

AndsoIjusthadalltheseopenloopsconstantly.Andwhenyouplanthosethings,andeverythinghasaplaceatatimeandaschedule,thenyoucanatleastletgoofthementalstressofthatbecauseyouknowthingsaregonnahappenwhensupposedtohappen.Anditsoundslikethat'swhatyoudoaswellasjustbyhavingthatplan,you'reabletotakeawaysomeofthestress.

Arethereanyotherstressmanagementtipsthatyouwouldoffer?BecauseIthinkyou'reright,motherhoodcanbeastressfulendeavoraswell.ButIwouldguess,beingdeployedisprobablyatleastasstressfulprobablyormuchmoreso.So,howhaveyoumanagedtomanageyourstressthroughoutallofthat?

Tony:Ithinkalotofit,atfirst,willcomeoutwithyouroutlookonlifeandpeople.Ialwaystryandliveasmuchofastress-freelifeaspossible.Inbasicallyeveryaspectoflife,whetheritsfinances,orminimalism,orrelationships,Itryanddefinitelykeepstressout.ButonethingthatdefinitelyhelpsisIgooutsideeveryday.

AndIwon'tevenlistentomusic.Igenerallywillgooutside,evenifit'sfor20minutesor30minutes,andgoforawalkorgointhewoods,orIhappentolivenearreallycoolforestnow.ButIdefinitelyfindthatthathelpsbig.AndIthinkit'ssomethingwheremostpeopleareseverelylackingthesedays,isactuallygettingoutsideandbeinginnature,andunpluggingfromallthephonescreens,andmonitors,andTVs,andjustbusynessofeverydaylife.So,that'sdefinitelymynumberonething.

Katie:Yeah,that'sawesome.AndIlovethatbecauseit'ssomethinganybodycandoandit'snotexpensive.Itdoesn'tcostanything.It'snotlikesomecrazybiohackingdevicethatnoonecanactuallyafford.It'slikegoinnature,whichisalmostlikeitsownvitamin,Ithink.And,yeah,that'ssuchagreattip.


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Andtoechothat,Ithinksometimeswewannadoallthesecomplicatedthingstobehealthy.Andsomeofthemostimportantthingsaresleep,andtimeoutdoors,andjusthydration,thingsthatarelargelycompletelyfree.Andthere'ssomereallycoolstudies,I'msureyou'veseenthemaswell,aboutspendingtimeoutside,especiallyinthemorning,hassomanybenefitsforcircadianrhythmandforsleep,andformelatonin,andforalotofaspectsofhealthandhormones.

Andso,obviously,thatmakestotalsensewhyitwouldbenotjustanecdotal,butaverystatisticallybackstressrelief.Andmostofus,statisticallyarenotdoingthat.We'respendingwaytoomuchtimeinsideinchairs.Soyou'rekindoftacklingtwothingsatoncebywalkingandbeingoutside,whichIlove.

Sojustonpracticallevel,letpeopleknowwhereyouguysareavailable.BecauseIknowyouhaveyourownwebsite.Areyouguysavailableanywhereelsethatpeoplemightshop?

Tony:Yeah.We'reontwoplacesrightnow.Andthat'skasandrinos.comandwe'reonAmazon.Sothosearetwoplaces.Wespokealittlebitearlieraboutwhy,Imean,wereallyliketocontrol,tohavethequalitycontrolofhowlongouroilisactuallyinourfulfillmentcenter.WeactuallysendouroiltoAmazononaprettymuchabi-weeklybasisjusttoensureit'snothangingaroundtheretoolong.

Andthatwemaygointostoresinthefuture.It'ssomethingwe'vekindofbeenhesitantondoing.Butrightnowwe'reatthosetwoplaces.Andwejustgotapprovedforwalmart.comsowemightbeonthere,hereveryshortly.

Katie:Awesome.Well,andlikeIsaid,beforewehitrecord.I'msoexcitedtoseewhatthenextcoupleofyearslookslikeforyouguyswhenyouactuallyhavemorethanafewhoursaweektodevotetothis,andtoallthethingsthatyouguysaredoing.Youalsoareworkingonsomerelatedproductslikebalsamicvinegars,isthatright?

Tony:Yes.WeactuallybroughtoverafewvinegarsfromGreece.Andweactuallyhavequiteafewthingsinstoreforthefuture.Justagain,wedon'thavealotoftimerightnow.Buttheonewecameoutwithlastyear,whichwereallylove,andwe'regonnabepromotingalotmoreheavilyisourlittletravelpacketsthatarelittlesingleservingsizesofoliveoil.Butweactuallyhavealineofspicesthatwillbecomingoutinthenextsixmonths,aswellassomeskincareproducts.Sodefinitelythingscomingout.

Katie:Iloveit.AndI'llmakesurelikelinkstotheexistingproductsareintheshownotes.AnddefinitelyencouragepeopletofollowyouguysonInstagramtoo,tokeepupwithnewproductsandthevisitstoGreecebecausethosearesuperfuntowatch.Andthetravelpackets,I'mgladyoumentionedthose,becauseIkeepatonofthoseinstockatmyhouseallthetimefortworeasons.

Oneisthat,atrestaurants,Idon'ttrustnecessarilytheiroliveoilthatit'sactuallyoliveoil,anditdoesn'ttasteasgood.SoIbringthoseinmypursewhenIeatanywhereanduseitassaladdressing.Butalso,Iusethemat


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thebeachorthepoolasessentiallylikeverylowSPFoilonmyskin.Andthey'retheperfectsizeforthat.SoIlovethatyouguyshavethoselittleones.They'regreattotravelwith.

OranothertipIfoundwiththosesingleserveones,Idon'tactuallyknowwhatthemechanismis,butIknowthatessentiallytakingashotofoliveoilhelpswithheadaches.SowheneverI'mtravelingandIgetaheadache,Iwillliterallyjustshootapacketofoliveoil,andmyheadachealmostalwaysgoesaway.SoIdon'tknowifit'stheantioxidantsorwhatitisbutI'veneverhadthatfail.Soanothertipforanybodylistening.

Well,Tony,Iamsoappreciativeofyourtime.Iknowthatyou'reactuallyonlunchbreakrightnowfrombeingactivedutymilitary.SoI'mhonoredthatyouareliterallyskippinglunchtotalktome.AndIamsogratefulforobviouslyyouroliveoil,whichIlove,butalsoforyourserviceandallthatyouhavedoneforallofusinthelastdecades.Andsojustthankyou.I'msogratefulforyouandforyousharingtoday.

Tony:Thankyouforhavingme,greatlyappreciateit.

Katie:Andthankstoallofyouforlisteningandsharingyourmostvaluableassetofyourtimewithbothofustoday.We'resogratefulthatyoudid.AndIhopethatyouwilljoinmeagainonthenextepisodeofthe"WellnessMamaPodcast."

Ifyou'reenjoyingtheseinterviews,wouldyoupleasetaketwominutestoleavearatingorreviewoniTunesforme?Doingthishelpsmorepeopletofindthepodcast,whichmeansevenmoremomsandfamiliescouldbenefitfromtheinformation.Ireallyappreciateyourtime,andthanksasalwaysforlistening.

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