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STATE OF THE UNION WITH CANDY CROWLEY

Interview with Dan Pfeiffer; Interview with Rand Paul

Aired January 26, 2014 - 09:00 ET

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CANDY CROWLEY, CNN ANCHOR: The president's moment andterrorist threats to the winter Olympics.

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CROWLEY (voice-over): Today, in a critical yearfor policy, politics andlegacy, Barack Obama needs a change-up.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I'm looking forward to working with Democrats and Republicans.

CROWLEY: Somehow, we don't thinkso. This Tues day, the president's state of the union speech. A workable agenda or a cam paignplaylist?We talk to white House senior adviser, Dan Pfeiffer.

And, oops , they did it again.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You must all be very conscious of tone and choice of words when we commun icate.

CROWLEY: In search of women and minority voters, the linguistically challenged grand old party plots its own course for 2014 andbeyond. Republican senator, Rand Paul, joins us with his view of the state of the union, his party, and the 2016 pres idential race.

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Then, if last year was the most unproductive Congress ever, raise your hand if you think this year will be any different. The art of thedoable with two members of the House leadership , Democrat Steny Hoyer and Republican Tom Cole.

Plus --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It only takes one suicide bomber to ge t in to cause a real problem.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I would not go and I don't think I would send my family.

CROWLEY: Russ ia's Olympic-sized security questions grow. We talk with their man in Washington, Ambassador Sergee Kis lyak.

This is STATE OF THE UNION.

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CROWLEY (on-camera): Good morning from Wash ington. I'm Candy Crowley. Two days before President Obama heads to CapitolHill for his state of the union addres s, new polling unders cores the tough environment he faces in the second year of his s econdterm.

Joining me now, Dan Pfeiffer. He is senior adviser to President Obama. Dan, let me start out with the new ABC/"Washing ton Post" pollwhich found the president's approval rating at 46 percent. Half the country disapproved of how the president is handling his job. CNNhad a poll of polls taken before this one which was lower at about 43 percent. What does he -- it seems to me that's the first thing heneeds to do is change the public's opinion before he can move forward on anything.

PFEIFFER: Well, look, I think the pub lic ended 2013 very frustrated. We had had a s hutdown, a near default and the problem s with thehealthcare.com webs ite. I think all of us in Washington, the pres ident included, need to do what we can to restore trust in the people.That's what the pres ident is going to begin on Tuesday night, when he was going to do was lay out a series o f concrete, real, practicalproposals on how we res tore opportunity for all Americans.

He's going to do that by looking for ways to work with Congress where he can but act on his own where he can.

CROWLEY: Well, the thing is, and I know that trust, even before he became pres ident, Candidate Barack Obama talked a lot aboutpeople not trusting their government and how impos sible it was to get anything done when Americans look and think, no, they're nevergoing to do that. So isn't sort of restoring that item number one on the agenda?

PFEIFFER: I think we need to ens ure the American people that we can get something done, either through Congress or on our ownbecause what they want are answers . Now, they're out there working hard, building their busines ses , showing up to work every day,playing by the rules , and they expect the same from Washington. The presiden t was to lead in that direction.

CROWLEY: With numbers like that, how can he have any more success this year than he had last year? I want to show you some o fthe proposals that were in the president's 2013 speech las t year that have gone nowhere, increasing the m inimum wage, expandingaccess to preschool, imm igration reform, gun control legislation. None of that has happened because the year took control of theagenda.

Some of itself inflicted, lot of it from the outs ide. Why can't the pres ident get anything more done with less of an approval rating than hehad at the beginning of 2013?
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PFEIFFER: Well, I'd say a couple things. First, our hope is to build on the progress of the -- the bipartisan budget agreement that waspass ed in the fall. It's unrealistic for any president to expect the Congres s, the oppos ite party, to rubber stamp the agenda. It'sunrealistic for us to expect -- for Congress to expect that the president will sign their agenda, but let's find areas where we can worktogether.

Now, in some of these areas like preschool, we've made s ome progress. The budget deals has some money, allows us to start thatinitiative. On guns , we put in place more than two dozen executive actions to try to addres s --

CROWLEY: Are all these things in his speech this year? Is this a re-push?

PFEIFFER: He's going to continue pushing for those things. You're going to hear new things. But you're also going to hear from his isthis is supposed to be a year of action. So, he is going to walk in every way he can with his pen and his phone to try to move the ballforward.

CROWLEY: And there's always that sort of -- it's kind of a threat -- hey, Congress, work with me or I can do a lot of stuff administratively.

PFEIFFER: Well, I don't think it's confrontational. It's let's find areas to work together. There were some items right before Congresswe can do together, pass ing imm igration reform, extending unemployment benefits for 1.6 million Americans, patent reform,innovation act -- motivation our economy, the farm bill. There are things they can get done .

But we're not -- the pres ident can't -- is not going to tell the American peop le that he's going to wait for Congress . He's going to moveforward in areas like job training, education, manufacturing, on his own to try to restore opportunity for American families .

CROWLEY: And how do you do some of that on your own? Have you identified specific pres idential prerogatives that you are willing to--

PFEIFFER: Absolutely.

CROWLEY: As in?

PFEIFFER: Stay tuned for Tuesday night, but the pres ident views the power of his presidency in two areas. His pen, which is executiveorders, also the phone where he can do is he can pick up the phone, bring together American citizens, bus iness es to comm it on keyiss ues. One example would be we had a college opportunity summit a few weeks ago with over 100 college presidents cam e in tocommit to expand access to college for hundreds of thousands of Americans .

CROWLEY: It's a bul ly pulpit --

PFEIFFER: Absolutely. We do that in big ways and s ome small ways.

CROWLEY: Something he could have done all along and has done in som e --

PFEIFFER: Yes. And we're putting an extra emphasis on it in 2014.

CROWLEY: And I imag ine, we're going to hear a lot about the m iddle class, a lot about what you all have been calling incom einequality. Can you explain to me what that is? Becaus e income inequality I think to som e people is like, we're going to take some


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income here and we 're going to put it over here. Is that the phraseology you actually want?

PFEIFFER: I think, you know, sometimes there's a tendency in this town to boil complicated things down to overly simple s olutions.What the president has talked about throughout his en tire career and all the seven years I've worked for him is the problem ofshrinking opportunity for the middle class and for those (inaudible) jo ined it. That comes from the growing gap inequality between thewealthy and the less so, declining economic m obility, globalization, changes in technology. So, what he's going to talk about in thisspeech is how we deal with the problem, restore opportunity for all Americans .

CROWLEY: And let me focus in on that gap that you all have talked about it a lo t. There was a 2013 poll -- 2013 study out of Universityof California Berkeley which found that in the years between 2009 and 2012, those beginning recovery years in the Obamaadminis tration, the top one percent of wage earners in the U.S. captured 95 percent of the income gains in those three years and that,again, during the recovery.

So, 95 percent of the top one percent, so that's increasing -- so far, it would seem to me that policies of the Obama adm inistrationhave increased that gap.

PFEIFFER: This has been a trajectory that the country's been on for a very long time. This president has taken several key steps to tryto slow that trend and reverse it. Passing the Affordable Care Act which will do as much to dea l with inequality in this country somillions of Americans aren't one bankruptcy -- one illness away from bankruptcy.

The big fight we had over the fiscal cliff a couple years ago where for the first time in a very long time the pres ident would getRepublicans to raise taxes on the wealthy and protect tax cuts with middle clas s, to make our tax system more p rogress ive, more fair,so they did more to reward work as opposed to wealth.

CROWLEY: It's kind of hard to argue about, OK, we've really got to do something when the first three years of the Obamaadminis tration actually increase that gap. That's s ort of my point.

PFEIFFER: No. I think the pres ident will lay out several steps on how we can deal with restoring opportunity for all Americans. Theminimum wage that we talked about last year would do m ore to lift millions of Americans out of poverty. More good jobs , more skillsfor workers. There's a lot we can do. These are things that have had bipartisan support in the pas t.

CROWLEY: Let me ask you something that's coming out now, about imm igration and how the Hous e wants to approach it. We knowthey want to approach it with separate bills as opposed to one big comprehens ive bill. One of those that seems to be emerging has todo with those who are undocumented in this country where Republicans would propose those who came here as children, who didnot have anything to do with the planning of that, would be given a pathway to citizenship.

Others would be given a pathway to legality, to legal status. Is that OK with the White Hous e? Is that something you could work with?

PFEIFFER: Well, here's what I think. The president's been very clear about his approach that includes a path to citizenship. Hesupported the Senate bill that pass ed. He's --

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PFEIFFER: -- is that let's see what the Hous e puts forward. I think that this is progress for the Republican Party if they're going to moveforward. Let's see what they have and see if we can get together and make s ome real progres s on an is sue that's been stuck for waytoo long.


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CROWLEY: So, you at least would talk about it.

PFEIFFER: Let's see what they put forward.

CROWLEY: OK. Dan Pfeiffer, senior adviser at the White House, have a good Tuesday night.

PFEIFFER: Thank you, Candy.

CROWLEY: Appreciate it.

For the second year in a row, my next guest will be giving his own response to the s tate of the union address , though, not the officialone.

Joining me now, Senator Rand Paul. He is a Republican from Kentucky, much talked about, much in the news guy these days.Senator Paul, thanks so m uch for joining us.

I want to start off on something that Dan Pfeiffer said to me, kind of repeatedly and the White House has said over the past couple ofweeks, and it's the idea of the president saying I want to work with Congress , but I do have a pen and a phone and I can do lots ofthings with the executive and adminis trative tools that are before me. When you hear the pres ident talk about that, what does it say toyou?

PAUL: It sounds vaguely like a threat and I think it also has a certain amount of arrogance in the sense that one of the fundamental

principles of our country were the checks and balances that it wasn't suppos ed to be easy to pass legis lation. You had to debate andconvince people.

PAUL: And so, there's a lot of things the president's not allowed to do. President's not allowed to write legis lation.

He's not allowed to amend legis lation. He's not allowed to initiate war. And he's not allowed to tell us when we're in recess and whenwe're not. I think the Supreme Court is going to rebuke him on the recess ques tion and there still are some questions , whether or nothe can amend Obamacare on his own or whether he shoul d come to us.

He says, oh, well, it's hard to get Congress to do anything. Well, yes, welcome to the real world. It's hard to convince people to getlegislation through. It takes consens us. But that's what he needs to be doing is building consensus and not taking his pen andcreating law.

CROWLEY: Well, for ins tance, when Congress would not pas s the Dream Act which aloud young children who were brought to thiscountry illegally by their parents to stay in this country, he did that by adminis trative directive. He has done s ome things around existinggun control to try to kind of tighten things up.

He's done s ome things a round climate change and clima te control, particularly, when it comes to some of the carbon emissions . So,that's all perfectly legal, is it not?

PAUL: Well, yes and no. I mean, there's debate on s ome of those iss ues. What I would say is that the problem in Washington is, weneed to find a way to comprom ise, but many people think, oh, you jus t need to split the difference on everything and that'scompromis e. To me, compromise is you need to narrow the iss ue until you get to an amount of the iss ue that you agree on.


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So on imm igration, maybe half of immigration reform, 80 percent of Congress agrees to. But to my mind, the Democrats are sayingthey want everything, citizenship, everything they can get, all at once or nothing whereas I think there's an in between where we couldfind work visas for a lot of the people that are here and normalize their existence as long as we do it and it's dependent on bordersecurity, there's a lot of things we can do, but the ques tion is do we have to have everything the Democrats want or are they willing togo part way?

CROWLEY: Just listening to Dan Pfeifer, and now to you, it says to me that this year, as we all know, is a midterm election year. It's thethird of the Senate, all of the hous e up for election or at least the seats there. The fact is it doesn't sound like much big is going to getdone this year. PAUL: Well, actually, I'm a favor of trying to do s omething with the s mall things that we agree on. And I tell audiences allthe time, if I'm in an audience that's half Republican and half Democrat, I say, look, we don't agree on every iss ue, but if we agree onthree or four out of 10, why don't we thought it pass thos e?

One thing we could do and I've asked the pres ident this directly, I think we can let companies, U.S. companies bring profit home fromoverseas, tax it at five percent, put that money into the infrastructure, and I think everybody wins. You lower tax rate, you get more taxrevenue, and you're able to build infras tructure. That's a win, win, win situation.

And it's a narrow focus. It's not overall tax reform, but when you narrow focus like that I think we could agree to things and get themdone.

CROWLEY: I wonder if you can fill in this blank for me. I know you'll be giving your own state of the union res ponse but give us apreview and fill in the blank. The s tate of this union is --

PAUL: Struggling, you know, s tagnant, wanting to be better, you know, wanting more jobs.

CROWLEY: And is it doable that you all can get together this year? Just again, people sort of look at the field and say, big things arenot going to happen. You may get your little things but you don't see anything big this year toward that.

PAUL: Well, we kind of fundam entally disagree on how you'd actually create jobs . The president thinks that you collect money from therest of the country, bring it to Washington, and then we re- pas s it out. That creates jobs . Well, what he mis understands is that nineout of 10 busines ses fail, so nine out of 10 times , he's going to give it to the wrong people. He gave $500 m illion to one of the richestmen in the country to build solar panels and we los t that money.

I would give the money back to those who earned it in the form of tax reductions, and then I think it wouldn't be us choosing who thewinners a re. The marker place, the consumer picks the winners, and it'd be much more likely to create jobs that way.

CROWLEY: You have filed s uit against National Security Agency basically aimed at that big metadata program where they collectinformation on phone calls made here in the U.S. and into the U.S. Have you gotten any democrats or any Republicans , for that matter,to join you in that suit?

PAUL: There are several Democrats who I talk with on a routine bas is about trying to reform the NSA. I don't know if any of them areready to be on the laws uit yet. But on legislation, I am on legislation with Senator Wyden and Udall and Blumenthal to try to reform theFISA courts, to try to reform the NSA, to try to end s ome o f this collection of records. But our court case will be his toric because it will bethe first time that a class action suit over 350,000 people a re saying you can't have my phone records if the warrant does n't have myname on it and it doesn't specify what you want them for and it doesn't accuse me of s ome kind o f crime with probable cause.


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This is an incredibly important debate over the fourth amendment. And so, I think our lawsuit will have great ramifications and I think itwill make it to the Supreme Court.

CROWLEY: Your party this week again had sort of a fluff-up over a somewhat taken out of context remark, but nonetheless, it wasattributed certainly to Mike Huckabee who I know you know and he said that Democrats were treating women like uncle sugar, likethey couldn't control their own libido . It caused a stir.

He said it was out of context. Reince Priebus then said, listen, we got to watch our words and our tone as we try to bring in minoritiesand wom en to the Republican Party. Do you think it's a ma tter of words and tone?

PAUL: Somewhat. And I think also a lot of the debates we have in Washington and public generally are dumbed down, they'recharacterized, and we get to the point where we're talking about s tuff and throwing stuff back in forth and we are never getting to thetruth. You know, the whole thing of the war on wom en. I sort of laughingly say, yes, there m ight have been, but the women are winningit.

I've seen the wom en in m y family and how well they're doing. My niece is in Cornell Vet School and 85 percent of the people in vetschool right now are women. Over half of the young people in medical s chool and dental school are wom en. Law school, the sameway. I think women are doing very well and I'm proud of how well we've come and how far we've come and I think that some of thevictimology and all this other stuff is trumped up .

We don't get to any good policy by, you know, playing som e sort of charade that somehow one party doesn't care about wom en or oneparty is not in favor of women advancing or other people advancing.

CROWLEY: I want to ask you, there's been a bit of a dus t-up over som e remarks you made this week which seem to sugges t therewas a way the government might halt aid to s ingle wom en who receive government poverty funds if they keep having children. Can youexplain to me what you meant?

PAUL: Actually, I said kind of the opposite. I said a lot of times government can't do anything about this but the num ber one cause inour country -- and I don't think you can debate this -- of poverty is having kids before you're married.

CROWLEY: Right.

PAUL: But I tell people over and over again, I can't make you get married. I can't do anything about that. But what I would say is that weshouldn't just give up.

The community, minis ters, pastors, parents, grandparents, we need to be saying -- and this is maybe one of the most importantthings we ought to be s aying that doesn't have a s pecific policy prescription -- but we need to be telling our kids that poverty is linked tohaving children before you're married and the ins titution of marriage is incredibly important, not just as a relig ious institution, but as aneconomic ins titution.

CROWLEY: So, you did not suggest that women who continue to have children that are receiving poverty aid --

PAUL: I didn't come up with -- it's kind of tricky to say exactly what I did say. I didn't come up with a policy prescription. I would say Imus ed about what are we going to do and does government have a role in it. And I mostly concluded by saying it's a commun ity, it's areligious, it's a pers onal problem, but it is a problem and I mus ed about how you'd have a government policy but I actually came downsaying it would be very difficult to have a government policy.


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But many people have thought about this. It's just a matter of how you would institute a government policy that didn't create incentivesto have more children. And, it's not that I'm against children. I come from a large family and I think we all -- you know, it's wonderful. Butit needs to -- in the right context, it can lead to a great life. But in the wrong context, it really is -- can be a burden for those who aren't yetmarried.

CROWLEY: Senator Rand Paul, thanks so much for your time this morning.

PAUL: Thank you.

CROWLEY: CNN's coverage of the president's s tate of the union address on Tuesday s tarts at 7:00 p.m.

But when we return, safety fears for tourists and athletes at the Sochi Olympics.

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CHUCK HAGEL, DEFENSE SECRETARY: We have had conversations with the Russian government on protection of our citizens. Ofcourse, if we need to extract our citizens, we will have appropriate arrangements with the Russians .

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CROWLEY: Next, an exclusive interview with Russia's ambas sador to the U.S. on how his country is preparing for the --

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CROWLEY: Joining me now, the Russ ian am bass ador to the U.S., Sergey Kislyak. Thank you so much for being here, Mr.Ambassador.

SERGEY KISLYAK, RUSSIAN AMBASSADOR TO THE U.S.: Thank you for having me, Candy.

CROWLEY: Just straight up, the ques tion is that these Olympics are going to take place, full speed ahead, in Sochi, which essentiallyis righ t next door toward to a war zone. Was it a mis take to choose that spo t?

KISLYAK: It wasn't for several reasons . One, Sochi is as safe as the rest of Russia. Secondly, Sochi is pretty unique a place in termsof its geographic, climate, and very uniquenes s in Sochi being kind of resort area on the warm s ea and you can also do downhillskiing. So, it's wonderful place for Olympics, first. Secondly, it's not clos e to war zone. There is no war zone in Rus sia.

CROWLEY: Well, it is certainly close where a lot of terrorist activity takes place as recently as last week and the week before. That wasmy -- not an official war zone, you're right --

KISLYAK: I will tell you that the phenomenon of terrorism is global in nature. So, wherever you are, you might becom e a target of aterrorist. But, we do not take it lightly so we have good planning. We have excellent specialis ts who I have working on it. We have putup pretty strong team that is working to deny terrorists any chance of success . And I am abs olutely sure that we are going to succeed.Us (ph) is going to succeed.


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CROWLEY: And let m e s how you a recent poll, this is from Quinnipiac University. It's of Americans and they were asked about thelikelihood of a terrorist attack at Sochi. Half of Americans thought it was very or som ewhat likely that there would be a terrorist attack inSochi. Your words of reassurance are?

KISLYAK: First of all, this is s omething that is going to happen in Rus sia. Absolute majority of people who w ill be at Olympics areRuss ians and they are pretty comfortable to go there and they know the country. They know the s ituation. That is the m ost importantthing. I would tell you that out of 70 plus percent of tickets already sold to the Olympics , 78 plus percent of the tickets were s old inRussia.

CROWLEY: You're not worried about empty seats from overseas.

KISLYAK: Not exactly. Because even today, you cannot buy a ticket for most popular sports. You cannot buy ticket for openingceremony, for the closure, for important hockey team games, and also for number of other s ports. So, we are pretty comfortable andthere will be two weeks to go before that so there will be many more.

CROWLEY: So, what we -- from what we have been told by a lot of intelligence officials here, as well as s ome m embers of Congresswho are s aying it out loud, the U.S. feels that there has not been enough of an in telligence exchange between the Russia and the U.S.over matters that the U.S. feels it could be helpful in sort of dissecting threats of that kind of thing. Why has that happened?

KISLYAK: It hasn't happened .

CROWLEY: You don't think that's s o?

KISLYAK: I don't believe so, because I know that the cooperation is pretty good. I know that --

CROWLEY: Is it good enough?

KISLYAK: It's good enough. And you need to remember, it's Olympic Games that are being held in Russia. And we have pretty solidcapabilities to deal with it on our own. We certainly rely on a lot of cooperation with the others, including the United States, and I'mrather comfortable about the quality of this cooperation.

And also, what I hear from special is ts, not people who are judging from outside , they're pretty comfortab le with the level of cooperationthat they are getting from Russian law enforcement. Moreover, they are saying themselves, even in public. CROWLEY: And yet, whenone U.S. official tells us that they learned about the threat that the s o-called black widow or one o r two of them had gotten into the

Sochi perimeter, gotten past the Sochi perimeter, but they learned that from TV rather than from any exchange of information with theRussians. It just sounds like there's some tension there.

KISLYAK: I don't see any tension. I didn't feel any tension, first. Secondly, I'm not sure that they can confirm the risk of a threat of thekind you are talking about. There was a report of some notice that were given circulated as a kind of look-out information. It doesn'tnecess arily mean that there is an imm ediate threat.

CROWLEY: OK. Let me just try to clarify --

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CROWLEY: Right. So, the thing that was interpreted as a black widow terrorist having penetrated the perimeter around Sochi, intoSochi itself, was not a "they're there." It was a watch for becaus e these people m ight be there? It just came across quite differently.

KISLYAK: Well, I'm not working in law enforcement. So, had I worked in law enforcement, so I wouldn't be able to give you all theinformation that people have. But I'm telling you that all the matters that I've been taking in Sochi are good enough in order to ens urethat there will be joyful, peaceful, and Successful Olympic games .

CROWLEY: Do you think that U.S.-Russian tensions over Iran, over Syria, over Mr. Snowden, over a number of things have in any wayhampered cooperation toward making this the Olympics that you envision?

KISLYAK: Two points. One, I do not believe that we have tensions over Iran. We have different points of view how to best organize the

process of coming to a political solution to the iss ue. But those are technical differences and we have enjoyed pretty good cooperationon these issues. And we work in six-plus-one format together, as one entity, which I believe is pretty unique and pretty good becaus ethat helps negotiating a solution.

Secondly on Syria, with all the differences that we have, we also have a lo t in common. It's an understanding that any solution to thecrisis need to be filed on political track. And as Mr. Lavrov and Mr. Kerry who are working hard to bring about the peace conference thatwe had seen.

So, having said s o, I would suggest that there is no im pact of alleged differences between us or alleged tension -- there aredifferences, but there are no tensions because o f this processes that could affect our cooperation on Sochi.

CROWLEY: And s o, just one final word here to let you put a period on this, your message to Americans is that you believe these

Olympics will be safe and happy and carry on as Olympics have.

KISLYAK: It's not only that I believe. I'm absolutely certain because we are doing everything that is needed in order to make sure it'sgoing to be s afe and it will be as safe as any other Olympics that can be held currently in the world.

CROWLEY: Thank you so much, Mr. Ambassador.

KISLYAK: Thank you.

CROWLEY: Appreciate your time with us today.

KISLYAK: Thank you very much.

CROWLEY: When we return, Congress has a full plate this year.

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REP. NANCY PELOSI, (D) MINORITY LEADER: We should be here passing unemployment insurance for starters. But working on allof the other issues like voting rights, imm igration, and raising the minimum wage, a farm bill.

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CROWLEY: Joining me around the table, Congressman Steny Hoyer, House Minority Whip and s econd in com mand to Nancy Pelosi,and Congressman Tom Cole, Deputy Whip for the Republican conference, and our Dana Bash, CNN's chief congressi onalcorrespondent. Just a warning to all that we are awaiting a news conference out of Columbia, Maryland where there was a tragic mallshooting yesterday. Police (ph) with some more in formation so we may have to abruptly stop and they then hopefully come back.

I want to talk to you about -- first of all, there was a recent Gallup poll, this will not surprise you, that asked registered voters if theirmember of Congress deserved re-election. 46 percent said yes. So half of all folks who will go to the polls this November think that

their member probably should not be re-elected. What have you done wrong?

HOYER: Well, I think we haven't done much. We've been pretty dysfunctional. I think Tom would agree with that. We haven't been ableto come to consensus on a lot of iss ues and I think the American public are dis gusted with us s o it is no surprise that they discretelythink that their member of Congress mus t not be doing the right thing either. Although that is s omewhat unus ual where they think thatCongress is doing s omething bad. But their member of Congress is pretty good. So we'll see.

CROWLEY: That's usually the case.

COLE: Not surpris ing we'll have a little disag reement here. I would argue the Senate has been dysfunctional. I think the House hasactually moved quite a bit of legisla tion.

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CROWLEY: One of the things that I think that we're seeing now -- the young woman who in troduces the folks. So we want to go -- let'sgo to Columbia and s ee what news we can find out of this news conference.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE). We'll take as many questions as we can and share with you what we know and then try to giveyou additional updates throughout the day. At HCPDNews on Twitter as the day progresses , we'll continue to post any updates that wehave. County executive Ken Ulm an. KEN ULMAN, HOWARD COUNTY EXECUTIVE: Thank you all for com ing out this morning. Coupleannouncements. First of all, I want to thank Chief McMahon and our team here in Howard County, our law enforcement family for thewonderful work, the bravery, the heroism that we saw yesterday. We have identified the shooter and the chief will be giving thatinformation and the specifics of the investigation that went throughout the night last night and is ongoing this morning. I want to, again,thank our men and women in law enforcement.

We train for these things. We provide them the resources to do their jobs. But training is different than responding to an active shooterincident. And what I saw yesterday really made m e incredibly proud of the men and wom en who ris k their lives to keep the res t of ussafe. Within two m inutes they were here at the ma ll and rus hing in to the s cene. Obviously a terrible, tragic, sad, scary day for ourcommun ity and our hearts and prayers and thoughts go out to the victims and their families. And to their loved ones. But I also saw alot of things yesterday that made m e incredibly proud to be county executive here in Howard County.

I saw s tory after story of people grabbing children and loved ones and taking them to back rooms of stores and locking the doors andhuddling together and people jus t showing compas sion and s upport for their fellow citizen, complete strangers. And so out of thesemoments of tragedy, you know, we look for a silver lining. And the one thing I would ask is that everybody take a mom ent today,whether that is while you're worshipp ing or a private moment with your family or by yourself and let's rededicate ourselves to doing


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what we can to m ake this world a little bit of a better place. You know, there's a lo t of things in this world we can't control. We can havea discus sion after we know more about the shooter and the m otive and there will be plenty of time for a broader public policydiscus sion abou t what happened here. But the one thing we can do is, you know, we can hug our loved ones and we can rededicateourselves to, you know, making the world a better place. Do som ething nice for som eone. We're better than this. And we have anincredibly strong, resilient, wonderful community in Howard County and we're going to start -- we're going to show that -- continue toshow that every day. I also want to thank the Colum bia Mall and management at General Growth for their partnership and workingtogether with us. They will be open at leas t on Tuesday and they're working ha rd to see if they can be open earlier than that. And therewill be more upda tes later today about the mall schedule and also the schedule regarding -- the chief will give som e informationabout the process leading up to reopening the mall. So again, thank you for being here and I want to again bring up our chief of police,Bill McMahon, who was here on the scene right away and is working on a couple of hours ' sleep, but led a wonderful, dedicated, bravegroup of men and women over the las t 24 hours or so. Thank you.

CHIEF BILL MCMAHON, HOWARD COUNTRY POLICE CHIEF: Thank you, Mr. Executive. And thank you all for your patience. We knowyou have a tremendous number o f questions and obvious interest in this cas e. And frankly, in many ways they are the samequestions that we have. I'm going to do my best to answer as m any of them as I can. Right from the beginning .

But before I get into that, let me again just thank our com munity. You know the m all is a very important part of this comm unity. It's morethan just an economic en tity. It really is kind of the main street for Columbia and one of the things Howard County's known for. So weknow the impact when we have the mall s hutdown. We know what kind of impact that has not jus t economically but kind ofpsychologically. So we appreciate the support and patience we're getting from our commun ity and we deal with this.

And I certainly thank you all for being patient with us as we try to get your questions ans wered s o that we can provide answers to ourcommun ities. So again, thank you. And obviously the men and women of the police department, as the county executive has pointed

out. But it is not jus t the Howard County Police Department. We had a tremendous amount of ass istance and continue to have thatass istance from a variety of agencies -- local, s tate, federal. And as the executive pointed out, this is what we train for and that traininghas paid off in many, many ways with this incident.

So what can I update you on (ph)? Since the last -- since the last time we spoke we have been very, very busy. We've been very, verybusy overnight accomplishing a number of things. Let me run those by you. First of all, I'm go ing to identify our shooter as Darion, D-A-R-I-O-N, Marcus, M-A-R-C-U-S, Aguilar, A-G-U-I-L-A-R. He's 19 years old and he lives at 4704 Hollywood Road in College Park.

It took us a while to identify him. As you know, we were concerned about when the initial officers came upon him seeing a lot ofammunition on him. We were concerned abou t whether he had booby- trapped himself. Although his body was not booby-trapped,those concerned certainly were borne out and I'll talk about that in a minute. But it took us a while to identify him. We were abl e to usesom e technology, some robots from other agencies , we were able to get his identification and then we had to verify that, and then

obviously wanted to make notification to his family.

So Darion Marcus Aguilar is the shooter. We do not have any -- we've have not been able to identify any type of relationship at this pointbetween him and either of our victims. We can't establish that there is one, we have not been able to establis h that there is not one.That is an open question. We know that is an important piece of information our comm unity is interested in. But we jus t don't knowthat. We are working to find that out now.

We do know that one of our victims also lived in College Park. We don't know if there is any connection there or that's merelycoincidental. Again, we're working hard to de termine that. Once we can establish if there is any relationship or not, that will certainlyhelp us to identify the next big question which is why this happened. So we jus t don't have the answers to those ques tions at thispoint. Please bear in mind, we're about 22 hours s ince this happened. So we've gotten a lot accomplished but we still have some

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unanswered questions and we're working on those.

We did serve a search warrant to that address late last night, early this morning. Recovered evidence, including ammunition. We seehis com puters. Some documents, things that we will be going through over the next hours and days. The weapon us ed in theshooting was a Mossberg 12-gauge sho tgun. At this point, again early on, it appears it was purchased in Montgomery County inDecember. We're still kind of running down some of the details on that purchase.

We did announce las t night that we had come across in the store a backpack that contained explosives or IEDs. These werehomem ade devices consis ting of flash powder and hous ehold items . So they were not very sophis ticated. With the help of ourcolleagues with the FBI, state fire marshal, we were able to render those devices s afe which allowed us to then proceed with the restof the investigation.

As you know, because of those found devices that we were able to render safe, we did have concerns about did he leave anythingelse in the mall. And standard protocol for shootings like this is to make sure that that is s afe. So we tried to alleviate those concernsin two ways. Number one is through the great coordination by a number of agencies throughout the region, we had alm ost 20explosive detection canine teams in the ma ll. They divided them all up into areas. That is a very tedious and very time consumingprocess.

They were able to go through all com mon areas of the mall. They were able to go through all the stores and we did not find anyindication of any more explosive devices. While that was taking place with working with mall officials, we were reviewing videotape,surveillance tape from the mall. We were able to find our shoo ter. He was dropped off at mall by a cab at about 10:15 on the upperlevel by the carousel, if you're familiar with the ma ll. He had very limited movement from that time within the mall.

Again he was again dropped off around 10:15. The reports of the shooting com e in around 11:15. We know he went downs tairs , andthen we saw him com e back upstairs and that's when the shooting began. So he had a very limited -- we're very confident that he hada very limited amount of movement in the mall from the time he got there at 10:15 to the time the s hooting took place at 11:15. Therewas between six to eight sho ts fired, and we're still working to determine exactly where all those shots went. Obviously we have twovictims, deceased, the shooter is deceas ed. We also have the mall patron who was downstairs in the eatery, kind of under where thestore is where the shoo ting took place that had a s hotgun wound to the foot. So we are s till trying to determine how that happened.

In terms of the crime scene, after we were able to render the building safe and secure and we had our concerns alleviated about anymore explosive devices, we already got our crime scene technicians in and with the (INAUDIBLE) of the medical examiner. We're ableto finish our crime s cene investigation. We wrapped that up around 2:00 this morning and we were able to turn the interior of the mallback over to the Columbia Mall officials so they could s tart the process o f what it takes to reopen the mall.

Our work with the mall will continue on working this case. We'll continue obviously. We want to find out why this occurred. We want tofind out if there is any relationship between the shooter and our victims. The mall, as the exec mentioned, is closed today. The mallwill open no later than Tuesday but they are working very, very diligently to get that -- get this mall opened earlier than that. Andourselves and the mall will be providing some more detail as those decisions are made.

Couple im portant things that are taking place today that our public will be interested in. Again, put yourself in the picture of being at theColumbia Mall on a Saturday morning when the s hooting takes place. Lots of people left, they dropped what they had. They shelteredin place. For people that left personal items in the common areas of the mall -- not the stores yet but in the common areas of the mall,they will have the opportunity to pick that property up between 12:00 and 5:00 today at 30 Corporate Center, the PNC building, rightover there. And the number -- the Columbia Mall has established a hotline for people interested in that. That is 410-730-3302. Soagain, this is for customers of the mall who le ft belongings in the common area of the mall.


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For tenants of the mall, the bus iness owners of the mall, you should be expecting to receive som e type of communication from mallmanagem ent later this m orning about when you will be able to get in to your stores to begin addressing the needs that you have inyour stores. We are also working at both of those opportunities when people come back in, we're working to have grief counselors onsite. We know this is a traumatic and dramatic event in people's -- people's lives and for those that witnessed s ome of this or didn'twitness it but were still involved at the mall when this happened, again, it can be pretty traumatic.

MCMAHON: And so we are working to have some initial grief services, grief counseling services available as people come in to pickup their property. And again, later in the day as we start letting tenants in.

When the mall does reopen , we will ensure that we have a strong police pres ence here so that people feel comfortable and safe

shopping here. Again, we unders tand as I sa id before, the Columbia Mall is a very unique place in the county. It's not just an economicinstitution. It's really a place of comm unity. So we unders tand that. And s o we are working closely with the mall officials to allow themto reopen as quickly as we can. So that's all the new in formation I have to share. I will take a few questions .

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Chief, what more - what more can you tell us about the shooter? (INAUDIBLE).

MCMAHON: Yes. We're still tracking all that down. He's a 19- year-old young man, lived in College Park. To this point we don't see anytype of significant record that would cause us concern to lead us to wonder why this m ight have happened. I don't know if he's astudent or no t.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did his parents s ay he showed any s igns of violence?

MCMAHON: I don't know that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Chief, how far -

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MCMAHON: I'm sorry?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE).

MCMAHON: Those were the explosive devices we found in the backpack. So we had that concern when we originally found theshooter. He still had a lot of ammunition on his person. We were concerned he might have a booby trap there. He did not have any

booby traps on him, but we did uncover this backpack, and once we found one we have an obligation to make s ure there's not more.That's why we took our time to make s ure it was searched (ph) and it was safe.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How were you able to identify the (INAUDIBLE)? MCMAHON: Pardon me?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In the video how d id (INAUDIBLE)?

MCMAHON: It's not clear at this point and we're still reviewing that to determine that. He did have a backpack. As I mentioned he camewith (ph) a (ph) backpack (ph) and that's what (INAUDIBLE) -- well, there's m any different types of shotguns .

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MCMAHON: He did. It's my understanding right now is that he purchased it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How were you able to identify him?

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- the backpack on him or at the house?

MCMAHON: I'm sorry?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE).

MCMAHON: Not that I'm aware of (INAUDIBLE).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was there identification on the body? How were you able to identify him?

MCMAHON: There was, but we needed to identify that. We did that through some other means.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Chief, how close did the shooter live near the female victim in College Park?

MCMAHON: I'm not sure the exact location. I've jus t been told that, you know, they're both in College Park.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did he live alone or was he a college s tudent?

MCMAHON: To my unders tanding is he lived with at leas t his mother.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Was there an altercation before the shooting or did the sus pect walk in shooting?

MCMAHON: That's the -- we're still trying to determine that. And again we're only 22 hours into this. We still have a lot of work to do, alot of interviews to do. You know, two families are grieving the loss of their loved ones in this. We're being respectful of that. We needto reinterview family members and really establish if there's any connection or what really triggered this.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you know how he concealed the weapon? UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did the employees recognize(INAUDIBLE)? What was he wearing?

MCMAHON: I don't know what he was wearing specifically.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE)?

MCMAHON: It didn't seem to be anything that would cause any concern when he walked in. Yes, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did employees (ph) recognize him?

MCMAHON: I'm not aware of that. No.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Chief, can you give us an idea how many witnesses (INAUDIBLE) in the store at the time or directly outside thatsaw this directly and what (INAUDIBLE)?

MCMAHON: I don't have a good feel for that. It's a fairly small s tore and contained -- there are a num ber of witnesses we're talking to.That's all the information I have for that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Chief, do you know if he has a criminal record?

MCMAHON: I don't know that he does . No.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Chief, do you know how m any people -

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: -- meas ures taken in light of the shoo ting? Will there be additional s ecurity meas ures taken?

MCMAHON: We will be here, as we have been, until this inciden t is res olved and we can reopen the m all. Once the mall reopens , wewill ensu re that we're supporting mall s ecurity in their efforts to make s ure this is a safe place. I can't answer any questions about anyenhanced security meas ures by the mall itself.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Chief, how m any people have (INAUDIBLE) so far (INAUDIBLE)?

MCMAHON: I don't know those answers . Detectives are working. They're doing this . We're doing this. So there's a lot of unanswered

questions . I appreciate those. I appreciate your time and your patience. As Sherri said, s tay tuned to our Twitter account and ourFacebook account, and we will update you as quickly as we can as we get more information. Thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is there another press conference?

CROWLEY: OK. That were two o fficials from Howard County. It is outside Washington, D.C. There was a shooting a t a mall. TheColumbia Mall, as a matter of fact, in Howard County yesterday. Two young people who worked in the store were killed. And theshooter killed himself. So three dead and one wounded with a shotgun blast to the foot. Still don't know exactly the motive of thisshooter. We do know he was 19-year-old Darion Aguilar, who in fact lived in nearby Montgomery County in Silver Spring. I want to bringin our Erin McPike right now to take to her. Erin, it seems to me that there are in fact more questions that we have than were answeredtoday.

ERIN MCPIKE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Candy, that's right. And to recap just a little bit, the police chief said that the victim -- orexcuse m e, the shooter is Darion Marcus Aguilar. He's a 19-year- old shooter from -- or excuse me, a 19-year-old from College Park.That was the shooter. They cannot verify whether or not he had a relationship with either of the victims or whether or not the victimshad a relationship. They worked together at the sam e s tore. But none of that is very clear. No motive yet. What they did say is obviouslythey found a lot of ammunition with the shooter. Also s ome hom emade explosive devices. So it's unclear whether it was a verytargeted event or if it could have been a much bigger event, Candy.

CROWLEY: So Erin, next in this obviously is to try to find the motivation. It does seem that they move fairly quickly in Howard County togather whatever information they could and the mall may be in operation soon. So this is something, obviously they got a lot ofwidespread praise for authorities in Howard County for the quickness of their reaction.

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MCPIKE: They did. And I spoke with the Howard County executive Ken Ulman a couple of times yesterday. And that s what he keptsaying. Some law enforcement officials were able to get to the scene within 90 s econds, but a lot of them showed up within twominutes. But they did say they will have a larger security presence when they reopen. They may reopen as early as Tuesday, but itcould be even earlier than that and they'll probably make that determination later today or Monday morning.

CROWLEY: What do we know abou t the shotgun and where it was purchased?

MCPIKE: We do know that it was purchas ed just in December. So not long ago. The shooter himself purchased the shotgun. Theysaid it was a 12-gauge s hotgun. But he didn't give much more detail than that because people are trying to wonder how he got it intothe mall, how he had it concealed. And one of the things the police chief said was , shotguns com e in lots of different lengths.

CROWLEY: Right. And you can break them down and put them back together as well. And how did the s hooter get to the mall? Helived, what, maybe 10 m iles I'm told from the ma ll. So how did he get there? Is there a car? Have they gone through his residence?

MCPIKE: They did go through his residence last night. They said he took a taxi. He got to the mall around 10:15. So he was there forabout an hour before the shooting s tarted. They did say that his movement within the mall was very limited. But they thoroughlysearched the m all until about 1:00 or 2:00 a.m. this morning and have since turned back the mall over to officials at the mall itself. Sothe search was concluded because he was there for about an hour and took a taxi to the mall yesterday.

CROWLEY: And what of the proximity apparently that at least one of the victims, the female victim, had with the alleged shooter, andthat is that they both lived in College Park? Is there any - do we have any idea --

MCPIKE: They both lived - they both lived in College Park. That is what the police chief said. What he does not know is how close

together they lived. Now, the female victim, the 21-year-old, Brianna Benlolo , as we know, was an em ployee of that store. She alsohad a 2- year-old child. But we do not know what the relationsh ip may have been between the 19-year-old shooter and that 21-year-oldvictim and the 25 -year-old victim. That's why we have all these questions and the investigation is still ongoing to determine what kindof relationship they could have had. But yes, the shooter and the female victim did live in College Park. They just don't know how closetogether they were.

CROWLEY: Right. Haven't established a connection yet. Thank you so much, Erin McPike in Columbia, Maryland for us today. Staytuned to CNN throughout the day for the latest on the deadly mall s hooting in Colum bia, Maryland.

Fareed Zakaria, "GPS," is next for our viewers here in the United States.

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