dlsud student election code convention minutes of the meeting oct 29

2008 ELECTION CODE REVISIONJabez Camp SiteOctober 29, 2008

START: 8:15 a.m.END: 4:00 p.m.

ATTENDANCE

Marcc Jeffrey Sioco USCEMa. Theresa Edalla USCEHernan Pantolla USCAileen Orong USCKrisna Rose Benbinuto HFRizza Mendoza HFMargaret Musa CSORonnie Resurreccion CSOJihan Ledesma PIBayani Malicudo PIJulius Rocas SENTROJuan Marianito Delantar SENTROArwin Cortez SINAGMarie Rachel Coros SINAGSebedi Justin Busayong CEATNeil Paulo Hernando CEATAngelo Jed Velasco CIHMMary Grace Sanares CIHMFlorencio Romano III CLAJet Caesar Lontok CLEAsiangel Austin COECharlotte Malabanan COEChristine Gaile Pañares COSJudea Ann Moralidad COSDennyson Hilbero CBALeign Anne Oliveros CHAIRRosciel Ojena CO-CHAIR

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AGENDA DISCUSSION ISSUES/ CONCERNS

RECOMMENDATION DECISION

PrayerRevision Proper

Continuation of Article 7 Section 3

SINAGLast night’s

discussion was already clear.

COMMITTEEWhat if you’re just a simple

student?

USCThe provisions on the election code is intended for candidates and

not for any student.

HFWe support

SENTRO’s idea since it came

from the original election code.

USCIn subsection c can we

change ‘student’ to ‘candidate’?

SENTROIt should remain

‘student’ because of the keyword university

property and the university does not own

the campaign paraphernalia. It can be

student, candidate or political party.

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USCYes, there may be prohibition but is there a provision that would punish

the student? Or maybe it can be

directed to SWAFO.

USCEIt is campaign

prohibitions and it can be directed to SWAFO since we

do not have the provision for that.

SENTROIf it will be directed to

SWAFO, they will refer to the

Student Handbook that only focuses on

university property. We

have the authority and jurisdiction over ordinary

students. That’s why there’s USC

and USCE.

CEATMotion to adopt Article 7 Section 33 seconded by

COECan we add ‘the act have

been done’?

Amenable to the committee

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USCE

USCWe are not yet sure if it can be

included.

COMMITTEEIn student?

USCFor All.

CHAIRPut the section in

reconsideration if there are still suggestions.

Adopted

VOTEYes – 11

No – 1 (CLA)Abstain – 1

(USC)

Article 7 Section 34

COMMITTEEWe added ‘SEC investigation’ to avoid confusion with the Student Handbook. What should be first,

trial or investigation?

HFIsn’t it that it’s the same with the last paragraph of Sec.

33?

SENTROInvestigation first before

trial.

COMMITTEEDelete Sec. 34.

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SENTROManner of filing protest should be included in the

article of protest. The committee

did a good job in adding a

provision for campaign

prohibition.

SINAGMotion to

reconsider Sec. 33, we have

something to add in the campaign

prohibition. Seconded by

ALL.

USCThe committee is

ready.

USCMotion to have a

2 min. caucus seconded by

ALL.

Reconsider Article 7

Section 33

VOTEYes – 12No – 0

Abstain – 1

Caucus(2 mins.)

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Resume Reconsidering Article 7

Section 33

USCWe use the word ‘student’ because

the integrity of SEC is at stake

here.

USCPoint of Inquiry Is

it only until the election day? What is the duration?

USCSuggests subsection e to

read as ‘any political party or candidate to

make defamatory statement/acts to any

student involved in the electoral process such as

thru text messaging, internet and other

technological form that could bring confusion to

the members of the academic community

especially the students as voters’

SINAGCan we change the word

‘to’ into ‘against’?

SENTROLet’s divide the elections

into campaign period, elections day and pre-

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SINAGMotion to have a 5 minute caucus

seconded by SINAG

proclamation

SINAGLet us first adopt the

previous section to avoid contradictions.

USCChange the word

‘technological’ into ‘‘electronic’

SINAGLet us adopt the settled duration in the previous section to clarify until

when will be the extent.

CLACan we delete the word ‘could’ after paragraph a? Let us add another

paragraph.

SENTROThere are many idea that

came out and there is already a confusion. Can

we have a caucus?


CHAIROrganize the

construction of the suggestion.

Cauc Caucus(5 mins.)


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USCText messaging can also be used for defamatory

acts.

SINAGCan we delete

‘defamatory acts…students as voters’ then change it to ‘directly or indirectly’ because isn’t it that defamatory acts

can already bring confusion?

SINAGAdd also the word ‘oral’

after ‘such as’

SENTROWe can make it into ‘defamatory/libelous statements’ because

defamatory is oral and libel if it is already

printed.

HFIt is also possible if we

will not specify it.

SENTROThen we can make it into ‘such as but not limited

to the following…’

USCDelete the word

‘candidate’


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PIMotion to adopt Article 7 Section 33 Subsection e

seconded by ALL.

SINAGPoint of Order

Let us vote first.

CLAThe chair said

earlier that after the first

suggestion I can present my suggestion.

CEATDelete also the word ‘online’ because it is understood that if it is electronic it is done

online.

CLAInsert in the provision a subsection b that will read as ‘any student

group mentioned in Art. 2 Sec. 14 of the 2008 USC Constitution to endorse directly or

indirectly any political

CHAIRWhat I mean is

let us adopt first before we

amend.

Adopted Art. 7 Sec. 33

Subsec. e


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USCPoint of

ClarificationCan we insert

‘unless allowed by the

organization?

CONSULTANTIt will depend on the by-laws of the

group or organization.

USCThere should be

equality therefore we should not

depend on the by-laws of the

organizations.

CONSULTANTThe question will be, how can you

hold the accountabilities of

those caught?

HFMotion to adopt Article 7 Section 33 Subsection b

party or candidate’.

SENTROProvide another

provision for that. It is already the discretion of

SEC.

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SINAGAsked the

committee if they are amenable to the suggestions.

SENTROCalled for the

previous question and seconded the

motion of HF.

HFCall for the

Previous QuestionThe motion is still

pending.

CONSULTANTYou should settle first

your stand regarding this matter because it is

crucial.

CONSULTANTThe provisions should be

stern.

COMMITTEEWe are

amenable to the suggestions.

AdoptedArt. 7 Sec. 33

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PIIs it only within

the school?

COMMITTEEWe would like to add subsection g that will read as ‘any political

party forming organization,

association, clubs, committees or other

groups of persons for the purpose of soliciting

votes and/or undertaking any campaign or against

a candidate’

COMMITTEEYes because the

elections we are talking about is only happening

within the school.

SENTROIf it is not allowed within the school then include

also outside of the school because the election

code cannot govern the situation if it happens

outside.

SENTROUse ‘to form’.

Subsec. b

VOTEYes – 8

No – 3 (CBA, CLE, COS)Abstain – 2

(COE, SENTRO)

COMMITTEEAdopts the

suggestion of SENTRO.

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CONSULTANTIsn’t it that the

purpose of elections is to

increase turnout votes? If you will

not allow everything, who

will be the ones to vote?

USCPoint of Inquiry

How can we define

organizations that are not

recognized?

USCThe provision is already

fine but let us also include the independent

candidates.

COMMITTEEWe can delete it in Sec.

4.

CONSULTANTIt is alright not to have

this provision because it is already specified in

the previous section that it is not allowed.

SENTROInside the school, it is not allowed for RSO-

CSO. Outside the school, you can tie-up with other

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CBAMotion to divide

the house seconded by

CLA.

organization for help and not for soliciting votes.

USCIt can already be

excluded because SEC cannot determine those

outside the school organizations sine there

are no supporting documents like those we

have inside the university.

s

COMMITTEELet us be strict that it is

really not allowed.

USCAnother subsection to be added that will read as


Subsec. g


Abstain – 3 (CLE, USC, SENTRO)

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SINAGDefine ‘political

in nature’ and site examples.

USCIt is the discretion of SEC to define the meaning and it is still open for

revision.

SINAGMy question is not answered.

ADVISERWhat I

understood is we are talking about the prohibition

campaign and not prohibition of

voters’ turnout.

USCIf it will be vague,

we’ll just withdraw the

proposal.

HFThe convention is

not after the voters’ turnout.

Our major concern here is for the elections

to be well.

‘any political party or candidate to conduct

activities that is political in nature outside of this

university.

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ADVISERSite some

examples of political in nature

activities.

SINAGThe proposal has been withdrawn. We should move

on to the next provision.

COMMITTEEIs there already a

guideline?

ADVISERThere is still none

because we are still revising the election code.

ADVISERSEC has the right to develop their

guidelines.

HFReconsider the proposal

of USC to scrap ambiguities. It is a big

help.

ADVISERSEC should develop

guidelines where we can include that because if it will be included here, in the election code, it may lessen voters’ turnout.

COMMITTEE

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USCLet us not forget that right SEC

have.

HFMotion to add subsection h which is the

proposal of USC seconded by SENTRO.

SINAGMotion to adopt Article 7 Section 33 seconded by

the COMMITTEE.

CLAMotion to amend

paragraph b of Article 7 Section

33.

If that’s the case, you will refer to the election

code, then, it is much better to include it now.

SENTROWe could meet halfway

in order for us not to compromise each other.

Motion is Lost


Abstain – 2 (CEAT, USC)


VOTEYes – 10

No – 1 (CBA)Abstain – 2

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USCIt is hard for us

because sometimes we have different

votes.

CBAI understand that but as much as possible, we should focus.

HFCall for the

previous question seconded by ALL

CLAIn the second paragraph, add ‘should there be any

provision in the rules/ by-laws of the aforesaid student group that run in contrary with the above

provision shall be considered null and void.

CBATo refrain from

abstaining, I would like the body to focus and

have consensus.

(CEAT, USCE)

Amend Art. 7 Sec. 33

Subsec. b


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CHAIRWe will have a

15 minute recess because

the snack is already

prepared. Is it amenable to the

body?

BODYYes.

RECESS10:48 – 11:11

Continuation of the Revision

ProperArt. 7 Sec. 33

Subsec. b

CLEMotion to adopt Article 7 Section 33 Subsection b

seconded by ALL.


Subsec. b


Article 7 Section 34Election

Propaganda

USCE

USCQuestion for Subsection

b number 2SEC members are few,

how can that be monitored?

SINAGAsk the SEC if they can.

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It is not realistic because we are

not that numerous.

COMMITTEEGranted for the reason that you are few, but it is

important to have 1 monitor.

USCIt can be together with the approval letter of the dean for room-to-room that shall be read

by the faculty.

CBAPoint of InquiryWho will be in-charge if there is

none coming from SEC?

USCELet us just adopt what the USC is suggesting.

CONSULTANTThe innovation of the attached rules is good

and it is much better if the recommendation from the dean will be

deleted.

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USCThere are

professors who do not allow us if

there is no recommendation coming from the

dean. The professor can also

implement the attached rules.

USCMaybe it is not

‘recommendation’ but ‘approval

letter’.

USCPoint of InquiryWhy should the political parties

need to seek permission from

SEC wherein SEC can pass it to

the college councils?

HFIt is for the

political parties to have their initiative.

CONSULTANTThe professor is already disturbed in his/her class

and still he/she has a work to do? The

presidents can do it.

USCEIs it possible that SEC

will only give the endorsement and will not be going anymore to the

dean’s office?

USC

COMMITTEEThe suggestion is amenable to the committee.

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SINAGCan the

committee explain the step-by-step process?

COMMITTEEIt is SEC’s discretion.

HFSince there is a

letter, the political parties will be the

ones to act.

USCPoint of InquiryWhat if you are

already accredited and there is also

the official list, is it possible that a

candidate or political party will

not be given permission? Let us be reminded

that the screening is already finish and we are in the campaign period.

The different offices does not

also want a disorganize

Can we add independent candidates because not

all candidates have political parties?

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process.

CONSULTANTThe letter will have different

formats. USC has a point.

USCMotion to extend the debate for 15 minutes seconded

by SINAG.

USCIt is given that all of the candidates

and political parties have permission

because it is now in the campaign

period.

HFThe committee is

doing this to lessen the work of the SEC. we have

our DLSU-D letterhead for uniformity.

USCWe are very busy in the campaign but we should consider the

USCERetain the provision

because SEC also has a campaign in promoting

the elections.

CONSULTANTDivide the house.

Extend the Debate

VOTEYes – 12

No – 1 (COE)

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offices. They do not want

disorganize processes. It is not

uniformity; it’s the simplicity of

the process.

CBAMotion to adopt Article 7 Section 34 Subsection b.1

seconded by CLA.

USCMotion to amend

Art 7 Sec. 34 Subsec b.1

seconded by CLA.

USCWe cannot apply our creativity in dealing with the administrators.

ADVISERThere are so many letters to be made. Although we

agree with the suggestion because all

we have to do is sign, it is much of hassles. SEC would be the one to do

it.

AdoptedArt 7 Sec 34 Subsec b.1


Abstain – 3

AmendArt. 7 Sec 34 Subsec b.1


Abstain – 1 (HF)

*CBA went outside the hall

CHAIRThe 15 minutes

extension of debate has elapsed.

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CONSULTANTWhat would

happen? There is still no consensus unless there will be someone to

motion to reconsider.

USCOur amendment is still not stated and

our motion to amend has been

approved.

CONSULTANTWhat happened is

not an amendment. The substance of the

provision has been changed.

There should be a motion to

reconsider.

CONSULTANTNo. You just

proceed since the vote is

overwhelming in the said motion.

CHAIRSince it is

incorrect, the amendment of

the USC will be scrapped unless it is amenable to the body to consider that

instead of amendment, it will be change into motion to

reconsideration.

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USCMotion to let

USC modify the motion. Or can

we have a caucus?

SINAGPoint of Order

That is a motion

SENTROMotion to have a

recess for 45 minutes seconded

by ALL.

USC Modify their Motion


Abstain – 6

Recess

VOTEYes – 13No - 0

Resume Continuation of Article 7 Section 34

CHAIRStarting this moment we

will observe the rules of 2 speakers

excluding the proponent, 20 minutes time frame and 2

minutes will be given each speaker.

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USCWe disapprove

with the decision because there is a tendency for the

revision to be done in a rush

way. We stick to the rules.

USCMotion to

reconsider Art. 7 Sec. 34 Subsec b.1 seconded by

SINAG.

CLAIs Art 7 Section 34 subsection a

USCRemind to call the

attention of the delegates to focus.

CBACan we change our

method of voting into rising?

USCIt is ‘AVCFAS’ not

‘AVCAS’.

CHAIRI just wanted to clarify that it is still the same aside from the

time of the speakers that

will be change into 7 minutes.

CO – CHAIRPoint of OrderThe adoption is

done per section that’s why it is not

only the subsection that

will be reconsidered.

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already been adopted?

COMMITTEEMotion to adopt

Section 34 of Article 7.

USCKindly define

‘rallies’.

COMMITTEEWe did not

change anything in the provision. We retained it. Let us ask SEC.

USCEThose when you

shout your propaganda at the

rotunda.

SENTROEarlier, it is said that it is alright for SEC not to accompany the Student. We are confused. Is it

optional or required?

COMMITTEE

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There is none.

USCMaybe it would

be included in the guidelines of SEC

and not here in the election n

code.

PISometimes there are changes in the

schedules.

CLAPoint of Inquiry

In the first paragraph of Sec 34, what do you mean by ‘rallies’

there?

COMMITTEEIt has been

already answered by SEC.

USCEAdd another subsection

to ensure that the candidates are campaigning.

CONSULTANTPoint of OrderCan you have a

CHAIRIs it amenable to the body?

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ADVISERWhat do you

mean by rallies? Who compose it?

COMMITTEEPolitical parties.

ADVISERHow about assemblies?

USCMotion to

recommit the committee for 3

minutes seconded by PI.

USCWe notice that

some of the

suggestion that the adoption will be per

subsection?

CONSULTANTThen adopt it per

section.

BODYYes.

CHAIROur discussion

will be per subsection.

Recommit the Committee


CHAIRI would like to remind you that

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delegates are often going out of the hall. We have house rules and marshals and I

don’t see any of them right now. Unless someone will motion to

suspend the house rules.

COMMITTEEMotion to have a 5 minute caucus

seconded by ALL.

SENTROMotion to extend

the caucus for another 5 minutes

seconded by USC.

we are not in recess or in caucus. You should still

address it to the chair as a

question of privilege.

Caucus


Abstain – 1 (COS)

Extend the

Caucus


Abstain - 1 (COS)


COMMITTEEMotion to reconsider

subsection g of Article 7 Section 33 seconded by

ALL.

CHAIRState your

reason.

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COMMITTEEIt is because the

confusion we have, started

there.

COMMITTEEMotion to adopt

Art 7 Sec 33 Subsec g

seconded by SINAG.

Reconsider Art 7 Sec 33 Subsec g.


Abstain – 1 (CLA)

AdoptArt 7 Sec 33

Subsec g


Abstain – 1 (CLE)


Subsection a

COMMITTEEMotion to adopt Article 7 Section 34 Subsection a

seconded by SINAG.

AdoptArt 7 Sec 34

Subsec a


Reconsidering Article 7

Section 34 of Subsection b.1

(Continuing the pending

vote)

SINAGMotion to adopt Article 7 Section 34 of Subsection b.1 seconded by

Reconsider Subsection Art

7 Sec 34 Subsec b.1.

AdoptArt 7 Sec 34 of

Subsec b.1

VOTE

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SINAG. Yes – 13No - 0

Article 7 Section 34 of

Subsection b.2

USCThe college dean

approval is already in

subsection 1.

USCb.1 is already

approved. In b.2, it only means that

the approved letter should

always be bought.

ADVISERPoint of

ClarificationIsn’t it that if you have the letter of approval from the

dean, you will definitely bring it

with you?

USCThere are

instances, from our experience, that the letter is

sometimes left at home.

USCEThe letter is only for the teachers who do not give

way for the

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campaign without a letter from the

dean.

CONSULTANTIf the letter was

left at home, that is negligence. This will only

prolong the debate.

USCEWhat is important here would be the

rules since it is already fine if the

professor will allow the

candidates to do their campaign in

his/her class without the letter.

SENTROThe provision was

made because there are

professors who really do not allow us to

disturb their class for the campaign.

It was also experienced by

the party.

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ADVISERYou are already college students. Once you have read subsection

b.1 you will automatically

bring the letter.

SENTROPermission is abstract while

letter is material.

COEPoint of InquiryWhere will we

put the statement on who will orient

the class presidents duty?

ADVISERRefer to the committee.

COMMITTEEThere would be a

barangay assembly style

meeting to inform the class

presidents. The

USCIt should be ‘aforesaid

permission’.

CHAIRLet us divide the house for the different

opinions.

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question here is what will be the content of the

rules.

USCLet’s give the

decision to SEC.

USCMotion to adopt Article 7 Section 34 Subsection b.2

seconded by SINAG.

Adopt Art 7 Sec 34 Subsec b.1

VOTEYes – 13No - 0


Subsection b.3

COMMITTEEWe do not have any suggested changes in the

provision.

USCEMaybe it is not a

need anymore because, what if the teachers are the one who are

asking.

SENTROAs much as

possible let’s avoid

discrimination but we cannot deny to the students their

right to information.

USCThe provision is quite

open. Add ‘unless asked by the student’.

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USCMaybe it should not be part of our debate anymore

because the political parties

may use it as their strategy.

SENTROLet us just vote

for this.

CBAMotion to adopt Article 7 Section 34 Subsection b.3

seconded by SINAG.

PIMotion to have a 5 minute caucus

for early adjournment.

COMMITTEEMotion to adopt Article 7 Section 34 seconded by

ALL

SENTROMotion to have a 10 minute caucus for adjournment, laid-on-the-table provisions and

schedule seconded by

ALL.

AdoptArt 7 Sec 34 Subsec b.3


AdoptArt 7 Sec 34

VOTEYes – 13No - 0Caucus


Adjourned 4:00 pm

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***NOTERIZZA MENDOZA (HF) went out of the convention at 12:00 pm to attend a family event.CHRISTINE GAILE O. PAÑARES went out of the convention at 1:45 pm due to personal reason.

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