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Boost Immunity with Gut-Immune-Cancer Connection Guest: Ty Bollinger The purpose of this presentation is to convey information. It is not intended to diagnose, treat, or cure your condition or to be a substitute for advice from your physician or other healthcare professional. Dr. Axe: Welcome, to the Heal Your Gut Summit! I am you host in this episode in this episode, Dr. Josh

Axe. Hey, I am so excited! We have a world-changing guest on the summit here today. It’s Ty Bollinger. And Ty is the founder of The Truth About Cancer, which, to my knowledge, is the largest online summit to date. He literally reached hundreds of thousands, if not, millions of people with his message about how to naturally fight cancer, the truth about cancer. And today we’re going to be interviewing Ty. And he’s going to be sharing his top secrets on how to naturally build the immune system. And as we know is you’ve heard so many experts talk about on this summit, 80% of your immune system is located in your digestive tract. So we know that there is an absolute connection between your gut, your immune system, and cancer. So, again, we have Ty who is an expert through self-study on the immune system, on cancer. And so we’re going to interview him today. And he’s a good friend, as well. Ty, welcome here to the summit! Ty: Dr. Axe, good to be here! Thank you so much for having me on here, brother! Dr. Josh: Well, man, I’m so excited. I know I got to meet you back in the


spring. And you interviewed me for The Truth About Cancer. And one of the things that I noticed immediately about you is you just have an amazing heart. I could tell for you, your expertise in immunity and cancer didn’t come from you trying to make a dollar. It really came from this passion I could just hear in your voice as you were doing interviews and as you were literally traveling around the country. I’d love for you to share a little bit about your story of what got you in to studying the immune system and cancer and really led you down this path you’re on. Ty: Sure. Yeah, that’s a great way to lead off the interview. As you know, I never really dreamed 20 plus years ago when I graduated from Baylor University—stick ‘em Bears, by the way—when I graduated from Baylor University that I would be doing this. I have a degree in accounting, masters in taxation. And I thought I’d end up running a CPA firm, which I did for a while in Dallas. But shortly after I graduated, my father got sick with cancer, July 1st of 1996, it was. And he died 25 days later. And he did not die from cancer. He actually died from the surgery to remove his stomach. He had stomach cancer. He died from the surgery. And I didn’t realize at that time he’d died from the surgery. But over the course of the next several years after that, I lost both grandfathers, my grandmom, a close cousin, an uncle, and then my mother, all to cancer or to the treatments for cancer. And I began to do a lot of research going down the rabbit hole of research learning that we’ve got a lot of natural things out there that will do much better than the way that we’re treating today, the conventional treatments of chemo and radiation and surgery. But not many people have heard about them. And they’re poo-pooed as being quackery. And if you go to your normal medical doctor, many of them can’t even talk


about these natural substances that God made to put our body in a position where it’s able to fight off disease. And so that was what really got me interested in cancer was just personally losing my entire family. By the time I was 38 years old, I was the oldest one left. And that just shouldn’t be that way. And so over the course of the next many years after mom died, I put together the first book that I published. I published in 2006. And since that time, I’ve been doing this and CPA work. Pretty much 95% of the time now, I’m doing just health research, cancer research. And most of my time now is devoted to The Truth About Cancer. But it’s really from personal loss that I became involved in researching health and immunity and cancer. Dr. Axe: Wow! It’s an incredible story, Ty. And I know, as I shared on the interview with you, I have a family who several people who have been diagnosed with cancer, my own mom who had stage IV cancer, life threatening. Her life was saved through the power of natural remedies and treatments and food and some of the things that you shared and discussed on your Truth About Cancer Summit. Again, I know for me, that’s one of the reasons I got behind it so much and I felt so passionate about it is for me, similar to you, it was such a part of my life and this thing that we have of trying to prevent cancer and teach people that they don’t have to go down that medical path. That we know in most instances it’s going to not help them, but instead hurt them in the long run. And so I know that that is something that we both feel so strongly about. And one of the things I know that we talked about before this is as we’ve talked about on our summit here, the Heal Your Gut Summit, there’s an absolute connection between the gut and the immune system. I’d love for you to just talk for a minute about how the gut, the immune system, and cancer. Especially, how the immune system and cancer, how those things are related in some of your studies there.


Ty: Yeah. And that’s one of the things, honestly, Dr. Axe, that I did not even realize the effect of the immune system on your propensity for cancer and many other health issues until within the last several years. It’s only when I’ve began to do a lot of interviewing and research on the gut and the immune system that I began to see this link. And it came through in many of the interviews that I did last year and this year for our different summits on The Truth About Cancer. But everyone that I’ve interviewed, whether it was immunologists or scientists or medical doctors or homeopath, they all had the same message. And it was that we cannot be sick with cancer if our immune system is functioning. And if your immune system is working at full capacity, there’s really little chance of you even worrying about cancer. But every cancer patient to a T, if they have cancer, there is something that has compromised that immune system because, see, the immune system is what God gave us actually to fight off disease. And if it’s working the way that God intended for it to, then we don’t get sick. But it’s only when we look at the toxicity that we’re exposed to on a daily basis, especially today. If you look 100 years ago, we didn’t have the pesticides and the fungicides on the food. We didn’t have the chlorine and the fluoride and all of the different additives to our water. We didn’t have planes flying over top of us and pelting us with chemicals and exhaust. We didn’t have the electromagnetic smog and the radiation that’s compromising our immunity. We are living in a toxic smog today. And all of these toxicities are compromising our immune system. And that immune system being compromised is what has led to this cancer epidemic. I believe wholeheartedly. And that’s the reason that we look at the rates of cancer in 1900. And 1 in 80 people were diagnosed. And now according to the World Health Organization 1 in 2 men, 1 in 3 women alive today, will face cancer. What has changed in just barely over 100 years?


And you can’t tell me that it’s genetics because genetics don’t change to that extent in just two generations. Something else has to have happened. And what’s happened is that we are living in just a toxic sludge of a stew of toxicity. And this toxicity is compromising our immunity. And that compromised immunity is leading to cancer. That’s my evaluation. Of the hundreds of interviews that I’ve done over the last couple of years, they all have that common thread. And I really believe that’s at the root cause of this cancer epidemic. Dr. Axe: Wow, Ty. Well, I’d like to break that down a little bit further and talk about for you and all the interviews you’ve done as we’re talking about what ruins the immune system, which, essentially, again the immune system is your gut. Eighty-five percent of your immune system lives in your gut. As we’re talking about immunity, what are the foods that people are consuming—let’s pinpoint several—the foods that are most destroying our immune systems? Ty: Sure. The most detrimental in my opinion to the immune system is eating refined processed sugars because cancer thrives on sugar. Sugar compromises the immune system. I’ve seen numerous studies that have shown that just ingesting one can of sugar-sweetened soda compromises immunity for up to six hours. I think it was Dr. David Jockers that was mentioning that just eating a meal that’s high in carbohydrates, even if it’s not just refined sugar, but just high in carbs that have a very high glycemic index, then you’re compromised for up to 6 or 12 hours, I believe he said. I can’t remember the exact quote. So we’re talking about sugars compromise system. They fuel cancer because cancer is anaerobic. It feeds on sugar, not on oxygen. And so I think the number one food that people should try to avoid and try to stay away from if they’re going to try to keep their immune system healthy and avoid cancer is


processed sugars. We’ve got a friend at church here in Nashville that has the last three or four weeks, he was just sick, just not having all kinds of symptoms. He was very sick. And all he’s done over the last few weeks is cut out sugar. And he’s dropped 15 pounds. And his color’s come back. And he’s feeling better than ever. So I think the number one thing to watch out for if you’re trying to you’re your immune system healthy is just stay away from processed sugars. That’s number one on my list. Dr. Axe: Yeah, there’s no doubt sugar is something that feeds yeast, feeds candida. And I’ve seen the same studies. You can shut down your immune system, a single tablespoon, for three to six hours. It’s incredible how damaging that is to your system. What are some of the other things, aside from food, that really can destroy the immune system? Ty: Okay, so other than sugar, what I would recommend to stay away from is processed foods. Because with processed foods, I think that the statistic was 75% and maybe 80% of processed foods… When I’m talking about processed foods, I mean things that are in a package. Seventy-five to eighty percent of processed foods contain genetically modified organisms. And GMOs can destroy the immune system. They can destroy the gut because of the different BT toxins that are in some of the GMOs. GMOs literally can create pesticide factories in your gut and just destroy your gut. And that will destroy the immune system because 70% to 80% of your immune system is your gut.


So secondly from sugar is just stay away from…Shop on the outer aisles of the grocery store. Go to fresh, buy fresh fruits, fresh vegetables, things that actually have a shelf life that they will rot because if they’re in the middle aisles, they’re in these packages. They have like a shelf life of 2.5 billion years. They never rot. They’re really harmful on your immune system and your gut because not only are they just dead foods without any enzymes, but the main thing is, because in my opinion, the genetically modified organism factor or the GMO factor, these foods that are processed that are packaged, they really have no food value. They’re empty calories. So they’ll help you put on weight. They’ll help you become diabetic. They may cause cancer. And they will destroy your gut because of the fact that they contain the GMOs, which will wreak havoc on your immune system and your gut. And so as far as a particular product, that’s probably hundreds of products that are on the middle aisles of the grocery stores. Dr. Axe: Gosh, you’re right. It is going to be a lot of products as you’re saying. Let’s talk a little bit about some of the things that people can do. I know that this is probably what you’ve heard about most and you’ve studied the most. Give me maybe your top five or seven foods and what you like about them for fighting cancer. What are the best foods out there? Ty: Sure. So one great food for fighting cancer—I don’t know if you’d consider it a food or an herb—is curcumin or turmeric. If you watch The Truth About Cancer or our Global Quest, I don’t know how many people mentioned curcumin. And there is so many studies have been done on curcumin that show that it’s more effective than chemotherapy at fighting cancer. But it doesn’t have any side effects. As a matter of fact, if you are undergoing chemotherapy, if will help


chemotherapy be more like a rifle, instead of a shotgun. And it will be less toxic on your system. So that’s number one is curcumin. Grapes or raspberries, berries that contain ellagic acid. That’s something else that’s very powerful at fighting cancer because it targets the stem cells, and so does curcumin. So both of these substances target stem cells. So the way that you’re going to take curcumin is probably in a supplement. You can use curry powder on your eggs or whatever you cook up to flavor. That’s one way to get in it. But you’re probably not going to get enough to have a therapeutic effect there. So you’re probably going to have to take that as a supplement. The ellagic acid is in a lot of different berries, though. If you can get organic green tea, I love green tea, because of the ECGC in it. And that’s something also that fights. That will target cancer stem cells, and be selectively toxic to them. And it’s very good at it being an immune booster, as well. That’s three things. I also, I love medicinal mushrooms. I know that we had in The Quest, one of the questions and answers that we had to answer, we had a lot of people wrote in and said, “Okay, so Dr. Russell Blaylock came in and said stay away from mushrooms because they contain glutamine. And your body can convert that to glutamate. And glutamate can fuel cancer cells.” Dr. Axe: I’d love to hear your opinion on this. I have mine already. But, yeah, I’d love to hear your thoughts on that because I actually don’t agree with him at all. Ty: Well, I didn’t want to put words in his mouth because he’s a really smart guy. And I know that he’s done a lot of research on glutamate fueling cancer cells. And I know that the research is out there. I’ve read the research. And I do agree with that.


But I don’t know that I agree that you should stay away from foods that are high in glutamine because we’re talking about all the mushroom. We’re talking about tomatoes, broccoli. Even organic beans are high in glutamine. So I’m not sure that I agree with that statement that he said you should stay away from that. I think what he was trying to do was really just make people aware that if you are a cancer patient—especially if you’re not active because glutamine fuels muscle cells, and so that’s why athletes take glutamine—if you’re not active, if you’re maybe cachexic, you’re an end-stage cancer, maybe you need to know that there are certain foods that maybe you thought were good for you before, but you should try to stay away from them if you’re an end-stage cancer patient. And I really think that’s all Dr. Blaylock was trying to say. Dr. Axe: Right. Ty: But I do love medicinal mushrooms. I love all these foods. A lot of the foods that are high in glutamine, I eat on a regular basis. And I would say that, no, they are very healthy for you. They are very immunomodulating. And so I don’t think that’s what he was trying to say. But if that’s what he was trying to say that you shouldn’t eat these, I would disagree with him respectfully. He’s a lot smarter than I am. So who am I to disagree with him? But I do think that there’s a lot of really healthy and immunomodulating properties in these foods. And I do love medicinal mushrooms as one. As a matter of fact, I know that Dr. Daniel Nuzum who was on the Quest, he’s formulating a product now. It’s called Seven-M. And it’s got like seven medicinal mushrooms in it. So there’s a lot to be said for these mushrooms I believe. So you asked me for my top five. How many is that? I don’t even know, four, three or four?


Dr. Axe: Yeah. Well, I’ll just jump in and say this on the discussion is I think you’re right as I really have dug in and done research. He is talking about glutamate. But the other thing is, yeah, if somebody is in a state where their body is catabolism, where it’s literally breaking down your muscular tissue, the body is continuing to look for sugar. And it’ll break down amino acids, as well. But that doesn’t mean you should not eat amino acids, just because cancer will break them down. So, yeah, I agree with you. But I am a huge fan of mushrooms. I just got back, as I was telling you, from a ranch trip. I was meeting a good mutual friend of both of ours, Jordan Rubin. And we’re working on some supplement lines together. And we were actually talking about this medicinal mushroom supplement that contains [inaudible], reishi, cordycep, shittake, and others. But that’s one of the things my mom did. In fact, when my mom had severe…She had leaky gut. She was diagnosed with cancer. She had a very compromised immune system. She got sick two or three times every year. For months, she was always sick. And we had her start doing some of these medicinal mushrooms. And I believe it was one of the things that transformed her health. We also had her do turmeric. Pretty much all of these things that you’re saying are many of the things that she had done. Let’s talk a little bit about treatment. I’d love to hear your thoughts on first, let’s talk about conventional treatment. What do you believe some of these medical treatments are doing? What are the results you’ve seeing? I know you mentioned with your family. But what are some of the other stories you’ve heard about conventional treatment. Ty: Well, since this is pretty much what I do full time, I literally could go through—no exaggeration—probably 10,000 emails of people that have emailed me over the years that have done conventional treatment, not successfully, or their family died from it. And here’s the reason why, Dr. Axe.


The conventional treatments are treating the wrong thing. See, we have cancer because our body’s sick. Our body’s not sick because we have cancer. We’re already sick. The immune system’s sick. And we get cancer as a result of that. So any treatment that would successfully turn that body around, that sick body around, will have to be something that will get the body well. Well, conventional treatments don’t focus on getting the body well. They focus on shrinking the tumor. And the tumor’s just a symptom that the body’s sick. So any time that we treat symptoms instead of the root cause, we’re not going to have a very successful outcome, especially when we treat those symptoms, those tumors, the cancer symptoms with substances like chemotherapy that will destroy the immune system because the compromised immune system is why you got sick with cancer to begin with. And if we further destroy that immune system with chemotherapy treatments or with radiotherapy treatments or whatever, then the long-term prognosis is not good. Because although you may have just shrunk that symptom, you may have shrunk the tumor and the doctor says, “Hey, we got it all. You’re cancer-free,” the reality is your body’s still sick. And injecting that sick body with toxic chemicals like chemotherapy didn’t make it well. It just masked the symptom for a while. And so that’s why we always see a year or two later, the doc says, “Hey, you know, it came back. The cancer’s back.” Well, the reality is, as Bob Wright said during The Quest, that the cancer’s not back. It never left. You may have masked that cancer for a while. But it was always there. It just went somewhere else. You shrunk that tumor on the breast. And now it’s back in the pancreas and the liver because the body’s still sick. And it just re-manifested in another organ. And so I think that’s why with our traditional treatments like chemotherapy…And let me make a correction there. It’s not a traditional


treatment. I fell for it just like we all do. Chemotherapy and radiation are not traditional treatments. What does traditional mean? It means treatments that have been used through the ages. Well, chemotherapy and radiation have only been used for less than 100 years. The real traditional treatments are God’s medicine that he created in nature, like herbs, like mushroom, like these natural substances that have immunomodulating properties. Those are the real traditional treatments. But we’ve bought into the fact that they changed the words on us. They changed the language. And now we say, “Oh, yeah, the traditional treatments are chemo and radiation and surgery.” Well, that’s not true. The real traditional treatments are God’s medicine and nature. And so that’s why these conventional treatments, let’s just say, this Western medical treatments of chemo, radiation, they don’t work because they destroy the very thing that God gave us to protect us from sickness. Dr. Axe: Wow, Ty. It’s amazing when you look at other conventional treatments. I know when my mom was going through chemotherapy, and I remember as a kid seeing her hair fall out, how sick she got, and just saying to myself, “I don’t want to see any other moms have to go through chemotherapy.” Because it was, again, in no way did it help her. As a matter of fact, after she went through chemo, she went from not only having cancer, she then struggled with chronic constipation, chronic fatigue, Hashimoto’s thyroiditis. She developed autoimmune. All of these health problems to just spiral out of control. Literally, she spent half her life in bed after that. So I know of all things, it didn’t save her life. It really destroyed her health in many ways. So, again, I know that your message is so true in what you’re teaching. Let’s talk a little bit more about…So we’ve touched on some foods. We talked a little bit about treatments. What are some of the more, I guess, advanced


treatments you’ve seen or you’ve heard from some of your people in terms of immune therapy, such as anything in regards to chelation or any other types of treatment you heard about travelling around the country doing your interviews? Ty: Sure. Yeah. When I hear chelation, the first doctor that I think of is Dr. Rashid Buttar. And he was in The Quest, as well. And he has an office out in the Charlotte area of North Carolina. And he focuses, number one, primarily every patient gets detoxified through heavy metal chelation and other types of detox, not necessarily just heavy metals, but all kinds of detoxification procedures that he follows. That’s his number one step is to detoxify. And he’s really good at it. He was the doctor, actually that, if you remember maybe six or seven years ago, one of the cheerleaders for the Washington Redskins, her name is Desiree Jennings, she got the flu shot. And immediately, she came down with, I think it was, Guillain-Barré. And she wasn’t able to walk. And it was all over the news. And she went to these conventional doctors. And they said, “There’s nothing we can do. We don’t know what’s happened.” Of course, they said it had nothing to do with the flu shot. But then, we can’t help you. And so she went to Dr. Buttar. And he put her on some chelating agents and got rid of the heavy metals and got her back to normal in a span of just a couple of months. But that was what made Dr. Buttar relatively famous. He’s also testified before U.S. Congress regarding autism because his son, little beknownst to him, his ex-wife vaccinated their son against his wishes. And his son was within a couple of days with full-blown autism. And Dr. Buttar healed his son from autism through heavy metal chelation and FAR infrared saunas, sweating out the heavy metals. But he focuses on that primarily in all of his treatment protocols.


And he does not treat cancer per se. I have to say that. And I have to say that because he wants me to make that clear because a lot of these doctors, you know very well, they don’t treat cancer because if they claim to treat cancer, you’re in trouble. What Dr. Buttar does is he treats the body. He heals the body. Dr. Axe: Yeah. I think that a lot of times our medical profession trains us to things that again you’ve got to treat a condition, when it’s really all about working with your body and really supporting your own body’s healing mechanism. Ty: It is. And the thing is if we give our body the fuel that it needs, if we give our immune system what it needs, if we keep our gut healthy, our body does the work. And so in reality, we call this a global quest. We’re in quest for the cures for cancer. The reality is there are no cures for cancer. The only cure for cancer is your own body. And so the real cures come when we give our body what it needs to function the way that God made it to function. It cures all diseases because the body is miraculous. God made it that way. And so all of these different treatment protocols, there are a lot of different treatment protocols that help your body to treat cancer effectively. But in reality, that’s what they do. They supply the body with what it needs. It reminds me of a supplement that we’ve been taking for years is it’s called Life One. I talked about it briefly. And if you remember the interview with Todd Jones, he’s the father of Jenay, the little two-year old, or maybe she’s five now. But she was diagnosed with leukemia up in Alaska. While she was taking chemotherapy, they would give her little syringes full of Life One orally to help her immune system while she was going through chemo. And what Todd said is while all the other kids were dying and were receiving ports, Jenay stayed healthy through chemo. And so that’s a treatment protocol that anybody can use at home.


And all it contains is things that we’ve talked about on The Quest that you’re very familiar with like selenium and chrysin, resveratrol, diindolylmethane, turmeric, turkey tale mushroom, green tea, quercetin. All these things that were thrown out there a dozen times by different medical doctors, this one supplement contains all of them. And no, I don’t sell it. I don’t make any money off of it. It’s just a supplement that I know has been used by numerous cancer patients across the globe to treat cancer on their own at home and also to help their immune system stay healthy if they’re being treated with chemotherapy. I know many, many families, so many that I can’t list, that have sneaked this in to the hospitals and given it to their loved one who’s dying. And their loved one has come through it. And I really believe it’s because their immune system was able to stay strong through the treatments. Dr. Axe: Wow! As you’re saying here, Ty, so much of this comes down to supporting the immune system. And I want to get into detoxing, cleansing a little bit more. But before I get into that question, I’d love to hear your thoughts on stress levels. What impact do you believe that stress has on cancer and your entire immune system, in general? But what is the relation between stress, your immune system? And if you believe there’s a connection there, what are some natural things, some of the best things you’ve heard from some of the world’s leading experts on ways to reduce that or naturally take care of stress? Ty: Yeah, so I do believe there’s a direct correlation with stress and sickness. And I’ve read studies about how stress and fear and anger, all of these different negative emotions, I guess I would lump them all together, that they do have a direct effect on your immune system. And I was reading a report. And I can’t remember where it was published. But they can actually measure your white blood cells. They can measure different types of white blood cells.


And they can measure your immune response to certain emotions, whether it be happiness and laughter or fear, stress, anger. And they’ve shown that your white blood cells, they take a hit after you’ve had just one minute of fear, anger, or stress and that your immune system is depressed for I think six hours is the study that I was reading was a study that was referenced by Dr. Francisco Contreras in the Quest for the Cures last year. Whereas, they can also measure the white blood cell response to laughter and to happiness and to joy, that somebody’s feeling really good and show that that actually increases your white blood cells and your immune system’s function. So I do believe that there is a direct correlation. I know also that when you’re talking about in a woman with estrogen-sensitive cancers—and I’ve read the studies and I’ve seen the research on this—that as a woman is stressed, the body produces cortisol, which is we think of the fight or flight. And as the body produces cortisol, if you’re in a constant fight or flight, if you’re in constant stress, what a woman’s body does is it starts converting progesterone to cortisol. And then what that does is it throws the estrogen to progesterone balance out of whack because it’s all about hormone balance. It’s not about levels. It’s about ratios. And that’s what really lends to good health is if the ratio of your hormones are in balance. And when a woman’s always stressed, the cortisol is used up, progesterone begins to be converted to cortisol. And then that causes them to be estrogen dominant. And what that estrogen dominance does is it stops the thyroid from producing T3 and T4, which are like the keys that turn on our metabolism and gives us energy. So they become sluggish. You get overweight. And then they become estrogen dominant. And it’s just like a cycle that never ends. And that’s what has led to I think a huge increase in breast cancer and ovarian cancer, uterine cancer, cervical cancer, all of these cancers that we would think of as being estrogen-relate. And I think that maybe a large percentage of those are a result of this constant state of fight or flight that


we’re in today because of the stressful circumstances in which we live. Dr. Axe: Yeah, Ty, this is a huge deal. As you were saying, when you’re stressed, that cortisol getting up, we know that can shut down the immune system and affect everything. As you’re saying, it is a key component. If you look at some of the countries out there with lower incidences of cancer, you’ll see that they really incorporate more of a stress-free environment and practices in their daily life. Like, I know I’ve done many trips over to Asia and have really seen that about their culture. One of the last questions I have for you—and I have one more after this, and then, we can wrap up—but talk to me about the importance of detoxification and cleansing when it comes to fighting cancer or preventing cancer and some of the best detoxes, cleanses, or even herbs and things like that that you believe are beneficial. Ty: Sure. And in one of the episodes in The Global Quest here, we spent probably a good half hour, forty-five minutes on detox. So I think it’s very important. And this is one of the areas of health that is oftentimes overlooked, even by a lot of natural practitioners. And to be honest, I didn’t know much about detoxification until probably five, six years ago. When I first published my book, Cancer: Step Outside the Box in 2006, I didn’t even include anything about detox in it. I didn’t know anything about detox. And so I think this is an often overlooked area. So if we’re sick because we’re toxic—and I believe that we really are sick because we’re toxic because of this exposure to chronic toxicity all the time—then it only makes sense that if we’re going to get well, we have to get rid of the toxicities. And that’s what we refer to as detoxification. And I think a full- body detox is essential for anybody. My wife and I try to do at least one full- body cleanse every year. And we try to cleanse on a daily basis, as well.


But it needs to start with the colon. So you got to get rid of the toxic sludge in your colon. And that’s one of the reasons that I think people are so sick today is because as our colon becomes impacted, we’re not detoxifying. We’re eating these foods that have no enzymes. We’re not digesting them. We get this toxic sludge in our colon that builds up around the lining. That’s going to cause a whole cascading effect of health problems in immune system being compromised. It’s going to cause digestive problems. How many people have you seen, Dr. Axe, you go out on the street, just Any City, USA, and look at all the men that look like they’re pregnant? But they’re not all that fat, some of them. They’re toxic. Their colon is impacted. And that’s what causes them to have these huge bellies. And so we’ve got to detoxify the colon first. And so there’s a wide range of herbs that we can use to detoxify the colon. You’re looking at psyllium husks or cascara, are two of the big ones that are used. There’s another couple dozen herbs that you can use to detoxify the colon. It’s up to you. There’s a lot of good products out there. I don’t really recommend one over the other. But whatever you use, it’s got to be something that’s going to stimulate peristalsis, which is the contracting the colon and get rid of all of that nasty sludge that you have in there. And we have to go from the colon cleanse. Once that’s open—you have to do that first—once those exits are open, then you can detoxify the liver, the kidneys, the gall. You can do a parasite cleanse. You can cleanse your blood. Those all follow after you do the colon. But that’s the order that I would recommend that people do for a full-body cleanse. I’ve got a whole chapter in my book on full-body cleanse. There’s dozens of full-body cleanses that you can do out there. I don’t necessarily recommend one over the other. And you can educate yourself online easily on that. I think I was reading some stuff that you’ve written, Dr. Axe, on full-body detox. Have you written some stuff on that?


Dr. Axe: Ah, yes. Ty: I thought so. So yeah, there’s no shortage of information. But I would recommend that anybody do this. Not somebody that’s just sick with cancer, but anybody. Everybody that’s out there needs to detoxify on at least an annual basis, if not more regularly than that to get rid of these toxicities that are compromising our immune system and making us sick. Dr. Axe: Well, Ty, you made a great point. One of the things that I know that I’ve taught my patients to do, I’ve written about is the importance of detoxification. And with my mom, we really focused specifically on the colon and the liver. Those were two of the biggest areas. We also did some things that really support the kidneys and adrenals. Yeah, the colon was first. And then, we also really focused on liver. And so I know with the colon, as you said some of the different things that cause the peristalses, that’s I know that we did some things…Actually, we used a lot of herbs that were based in Chinese medicine for that. Things like there’s one called triphala, which is actually a combination with amla berry, which is very effective. And, of course, liver. I’ve heard talk about, as well, obviously already on this interview, things like turmeric is good for liver, milk thistle, and things along those lines are all fantastic. Ty: And coffee enemas, too, are great for the liver, as well. Yeah. Dr. Axe: Yeah, that’s a key component. I know as I’ve heard you interview about with Gerson, some of the people that you’ve talked to and some of the benefits there. Ty: Yeah. Yeah. Coffee enemas are great. And the main thing is that you just you make sure that you get the exits cleared first because if you’ve got an impacted colon, you can’t do a liver detox until your colon’s clear because there’s no place to get rid of the toxins that you just got rid of from the liver.


And then you’ll reabsorb them. So the key is really you’ve got to do a good thorough colon cleanse first. And to be honest with you, Josh, when I first did my first colon cleanse right after my dad got sick because I was worried, I was living in a state of fear at that point. I thinking, “Okay, dad’s 52. He dies of stomach cancer. I’m going to die of stomach cancer.” That’s what I thought, I was doomed to die of stomach cancer. So 20 years ago, I first started reading about detoxification, did my first colon cleanse. At that time, I was just coming of being a competitive body builder. I was like 225 pounds with 5% body fat. So I didn’t have much weight to use. But I did a colon cleanse, I lost like 15 pounds. But I didn’t lose fat. I got rid of a bunch of impacted fecal material that was in my intestines that I didn’t even know was there. And so I would really encourage anybody, if you’ve never done a colon cleanse, you need to! Because we’ve all got impacted colons because the fact that we’re eating toxic food. Even if we’re trying to eat clean, I guarantee you, we’ve still got impacted colons. That’s really number one. And once you get those exits clear, you can do the liver. And the liver really is the key. The colon has to be first. But the liver is the key. As a matter of fact, I’ve heard it said, “Don’t tell a girl you love her with all your heart. Tell her, you love her with all your liver.” Because your liver is the key organ that keeps your body healthy. Dr. Axe: I love it! That’s great! I’m going to tell my wife that tonight. “I love you with all my liver.” Ty: All your liver.


Dr. Axe: And see what she thinks. Actually, she probably will get it because she gets this stuff and she’s a doctor. But, anyway, she will think it’s funny anyways. That’s brilliant! Ty: Make sure you give her a dozen roses when you say it. Dr. Axe: I will. All right, Ty, well last question for you. For those people that are out there now, they’re dealing with digestive issues and specifically immune-related problems, they’ve got a weak immune system, what is your biggest piece of advice or takeaway, for people that have a weakened immune system, of something they can start doing right now to radically change their health? Ty: Well, I think the key is that we do what we can the things that we’ve been given control over. And so don’t worry about the things that you can’t change. There are things that everybody can change now. And most of the time that involves what we’re putting in our mouth because that’s what directly affects our immune system. So I would encourage anybody, you got a weakened immune system, you have cancer, you got another disorder or disease, whatever you want to call it, then start taking baby steps right now. Just like what about Bob? Baby steps, you take baby steps right now to what you can do to improve your health. And that will be changing your diet because no matter what you’re eating, you can improve it. And so whether that is right now, if you’re eating a fast-food diet, that’s easy. Stop eating the fast food. Start eating fresh fruit. Buy organic foods. And you can afford it. People say, “I can’t afford it.” But the reality is most people that think they can’t afford it, can afford to eat organic and fresh fruits and vegetables. They just haven’t prioritized that. So I would encourage anybody to begin taking baby steps to change your diet


because that will directly affect your immune system. That will directly affect your gut health. And that will directly lead to better health in the future, if you start changing what you’re eating today. Stop eating the things that are making you sick and start eating the things that will make you healthy. And if you want to learn what those foods are, go to Dr. Axe’s website because he’s got a gold mine of information and research that he’s done on the foods that you should be eating. So we know what we should be doing. The key is start doing it. Now, that you know this, you’re responsible. You have this knowledge, don’t just have it in your head, implement it in your lives and start making good choices today that can affect your health. And those start with the things that you put in your mouth. And so I would just encourage anybody that’s listening to begin taking baby steps today to clean up your diet because we all need to do that. Even myself, I eat really well. But there are things that I can do better. And we should all make an effort to do that today. Dr. Axe: Absolutely. Well, just, Ty, I want to say thank you so much for coming on. And thank you for your mission. If you haven’t checked out TheTruthAboutCancer.com, I encourage everyone to. I know that I was so excited, Ty, that you were willing to come on and do the interview. And I know that my co-hosts Donna Gates and Dr. Eric Zielinski, we’re just thrilled that you came on, as well, because we know you’re busy. And we know that you’re one of the leading experts and interviewers now in the immune system and cancer. And so, again, we’re excited to be able to have you come on as a special guest here on our Heal Your Gut Summit. So, everybody, I want to say thanks again. You can visit


TheTruthAboutCancer.com. Again, if you want to learn more, TheTruthAboutCancer.com. And I want to say again, thanks, everybody. Guys, this has been Dr. Josh Axe and Ty Bollinger with The Heal Your Gut Summit. Thanks, everyone!

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