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ukedchat Archive 7th February 2013Hosted by @c_farr0w

How to reduce to the mark-load & stillgive quality, valued feedback?

Ebacc/GCSE announcement fromMichael Gove

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Its 8pm. Time for #ukedchat with @c_farr0w How toreduce to the mark-load & still give quality, valuedfeedback?

20:00:14 C_Farr0w Evening all, Big news today but lets talk marking andfeedback for now! What r your top tips for giving quick,effective feedback? #UkEdChat

20:00:44 Pauls_elearning

[Weekly reminder] #ukedchat is about to start on Twitter.You can watch the conversation & join in here:http://t.co/lmRpxs8n

20:00:55 bekblayton

@C_Farr0w have an agreed marking policy and stick to it.Including symbols so youre not writing everything out..#ukedchat

20:01:38 tmeeky Marking: big drain (time); little gain #ukedchat

20:01:42 C_Farr0w@bekblayton Can you explain what sort of symbols youuse to speed up the process ?#UkEdChat

20:01:43 smanfarr

#ukedchat use variety of strategies- learningconversations, verbal feedback stamps and pupils giventime to summarise targets set

20:02:07 NicholasNovak

RT @tes: Gove scraps plans for GCSE overhaul amidleague table and National Curriculum shake-uphttp://t.co/7mt3EL2R #ukedchat

20:02:14 lukemayhewRT @tes: Big Gove speech on the national curriculumexpected tomorrow.... #ukedchat

20:02:25 PhilWheeler1

@ukedchat @C_Farr0w #ukedchat I have a record ofverbal feedback in students books so quick and useful, butfan be recorded.

20:02:32 iamclaireiUse highlighters. Green for great - or where aim is met, etc#ukedchat

20:02:36 C_Farr0w@bekblayton 100% agree but what can we do!?#UkEdChat

20:02:51 MarvinO_Gravel

I really want to take part but my name's not Ed. What can I

do? #ukedchat

20:02:54 bekblayton

@C_Farr0w hmm.. VF for verbal feedback 1:1 forintervention or teacher led. Eyes-look again highlighting-objective achieved #ukedchat

20:02:54 LizSaddler

RT @SheliBB: @MrWaldram definitely going to have toremember #ukedchat next week then! @mrlockyer#comedyduo

20:02:59 smanfarr

#ukedchat we also use 'toolbars' for common errors- savewriting out same thing over and over. Got to find ways to

mark smart &effective20:03:12 ChrisChivers2 Reflective oral feedback always, marking with students,

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peer marking, www and ebi plus qualitative comment.#ukedchat sorry!

20:03:16 jrobinson1978

#ukedchat Use an A5 copy of the KS4/5 mark scheme and

highlight student's categories. Attach to essay. Same onEdmodo, attach electronically

20:03:28 mosullivan1966

#ukedchat Get the new framework proposals on everystaffroom table in the country. Is this what we want,whatwe really really want.?

20:03:44 web20education

#elearning Presentation&Recording #co13#socialmedia #curation clas http://t.co/UwZDcP44 #edchat#ukedchat #tcea13 #dlday #eli3 #scoopitchat

20:04:22 C_Farr0w@ChrisChivers2 I like EBI/WWW as a form of feedback.But does it actually markload? #UkEdChat

20:04:25 bekblayton

RT @mosullivan1966: #ukedchat Get the new frameworkproposals on every staffroom table in the country. Is thiswhat we want,what we re ...

20:04:27 dukkhaboy

#geographyteacher as a secondary teacher, i now wont beable to teach Europe or North south america as they are inKS2 #ukedchat

20:04:31 GeorgeEBlackRT @iamclairei: Use highlighters. Green for great - orwhere aim is met, etc #ukedchat

20:04:31 tmeeky

My 9 yr old says 'kids love feedback and can gain lots fromit... well, I do' #ukedchat

20:04:34LiamOManachain

surely we are talking peer and self assessment? Cut ourmarking workload and what better feedback than that oftheir peers? #ukedchat

20:05:04 C_Farr0w@LiamOManachain Do they get the right feedback?#UkEdChat

20:05:08 lukemayhewInk stamp saying "Verbal Feedback" with speech bubble -pupil writes next to it what they have been told. #ukedchat

20:05:29 C_Farr0w

RT @lukemayhew: Ink stamp saying "Verbal Feedback"

with speech bubble - pupil writes next to it what they havebeen told. #ukedchat

20:05:30 ChrisChivers2 #ukedchat Thoughts on feedback. http://t.co/ZBExS3TO20:05:48 PhilWheeler1 @jrobinson1978 like this. Can do in Moodle too #ukedchat

20:05:49 EdNewsorg

UK Ed Sec Gove trashes elitist 'Downton Abbey' educationattitudes http://t.co/LA2Mm23N #ukedchat #edchat#education

20:06:01 C_Farr0w@lukemayhew wonderful idea! a true time saver!#UkEdChat

20:06:02 emmaannhardy Florence Nightingale is saved from the primary historychop but so many others have suffered - not sure what to

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20:06:02 smanfarr@LiamOManachain only if feedback is meaningful andfocused. Have to train kids to do this effectively. #ukedchat

20:06:04 iamclairei RT @lukemayhew: Ink stamp saying "Verbal Feedback"with speech bubble - pupil writes next to it what they havebeen told. #ukedchat

20:06:07 WendyTPERT @Mat6453: Get involved with numeracy in PE@PEgeeks #ukedchat #edchat http://t.co/ej06vXC9

20:06:26 GeorgeEBlack#ukedchat also have to manage student expectations andget them to realise that 'feedback' isn't just book marking.

20:06:27 bekblayton

@LiamOManachain if embedded in school policy it workswell, but chd need to be trained to do peer assessmentproperly #ukedchat

20:06:33 bekblayton

RT @lukemayhew: Ink stamp saying "Verbal Feedback"with speech bubble - pupil writes next to it what they havebeen told. #ukedchat

20:06:36 DebbieHolley1RT @tmeeky: My 9 yr old says 'kids love feedback and cangain lots from it... well, I do' #ukedchat

20:07:28 JerseyITGuy

RT @GeorgeEBlack: #ukedchat also have to managestudent expectations and get them to realise that'feedback' isn't just book marking.

20:07:33 C_Farr0w

What about tips for time saving? Not taking shortcuts but"getting smarter" with feedback. Does peer/selfassessment work? #UkEdChat


Can use Edmodo & Moodle et al to store SPEC thenpoint to areas in it which has been completed or needs tobe done. #ukedchat

20:07:45 mikallaane

RT @SheliBB: @MrWaldram definitely going to have toremember #ukedchat next week then! @mrlockyer#comedyduo

20:07:53 tmeeky

RT @lukemayhew: Ink stamp saying "Verbal Feedback"

with speech bubble - pupil writes next to it what they havebeen told. > yeah #ukedchat



20:08:11 foxburgRT @tes: Big Gove speech on the national curriculumexpected tomorrow.... #ukedchat

20:08:25 tmeeky Peer assessment (of sorts) at end of lesson #ukedchat20:08:29 PhilWheeler1 @lukemayhew I think this is great #ukedchat

20:08:46 C_Farr0w @PhilWheeler1 @lukemayhew I agree, lovely idea!#UkEdChat

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20:09:04 smanfarr@C_Farr0w yes- but it takes time to train students to giveeffective feedback. #ukedchat

20:09:05 MrsPrentice11M

RT @primaryht

#ukedchat so if history has to be taught sequentially whathappens to mixed age classes?

20:09:19 C_Farr0w@tmeeky Assuming students picked up learning and not'teaching misconceptions. #UkEdChat

20:09:27 GeorgeEBlack


20:09:42 SchoolLook37

#ukedchat What if - you have an on-screen seating plan,and you could thumbs up a student for a lessoncontribution? All stored for later...

20:09:43 mikallaane@mrlockyer @mrwaldram you'll be a gr8 #doubleact nxtweek! Lookin 4ward 2 it :-) #ukedchat

20:10:34 C_Farr0w@smanfarr what do you do to put the groundwork in then?so they are trained #UkEdChat

20:10:41 mrlockyer

#ukedchat We're getting feedback stickers. In books youwrite a question, when pupil answers they get the sticker!Works really well! KS2

20:11 hayleyjess

@GeorgeEBlack: #ukedchat also have to managestudent expectations and get them to realise that'feedback' isn't just book marking.agreed!

20:11:23 C_Farr0w@hayleyjess @GeorgeEBlack Try telling OFSTED that#UkEdChat

20:11:25 UEL_Teachers

RT @ukedchat: Its 8pm. Time for #ukedchat with@c_farr0w How to reduce to the mark-load & stillgive quality, valued feedback?

20:11:34 lukemayhew

We are trying to build in reflection time for pupils after nextsteps given = highlight 2 places that they wouldchange/alter #ukedchat

20:12:03 BeeBecF@hayleyjess @GeorgeEBlack Student expectations orSLT expections?! #ukedchat

20:12:04 UEL_Teachers

Join in: @ukedchat: Its 8pm. Time for #ukedchat How toreduce to the mark-load & still give quality, valuedfeedback?'

20:12:04 MisterGBrownKey element is giving children time to respond to markingand 'close the gap' #ukedchat

20:12:06 Lauren_K_Wright

#ukedchat Get the children to self asses, using highlightersand then simply write 'I agree' or 'I don't agree' then use a

T 4 simple target20:12:28 smanfarr @C_Farr0w #ukedchat start early - year 7. Model what

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good feedback looks like. Embed by doing in various formsat dif stages in the yr

20:12:30 bekblaytonPlanning for children to respond to marking is important,

they should work as hard as you! #ukedchat20:12:33 C_Farr0w

@Lauren_K_Wright Can you not just tick or cross then#UkEdChat

20:12:35 GeorgeEBlack@BeeBecF @hayleyjess #ukedchat well that's anotherissue...

20:12:38 urban_teacher

To keep on top of everything i created an online plannerguide! Tomorrow is Learning something new day!http://t.co/EvPIPa8g #ukedchat

20:12:45LiamOManachai

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@smanfarr @bekblayton totally agree with both. needsembedded & focused to be meaningful. But when thegroundwork is done it works #ukedchat

20:12:47 DanielAyres

RT @UEL_Teachers: Join in: @ukedchat: Its 8pm. Timefor #ukedchat How to reduce to the mark-load & stillgive quality, valued feed ...

20:12:52 dandesignthink

we created these marking reminder bookmarks for staff atHitchins' boys school#ukedchat http://t.co/fLm5mgYE

20:13:01 headguruteacher

#ukedchat This post :Marking in Perspective: Selective,Formative, Effective, Reflective http://t.co/zCMn1cKp sayswhat I think on the issue


@C_Farr0w #ukedchat Peer/self assessment works well ifstudents see how they can improve their work, trainingthem can be tricky

20:13:51 urban_teacherHas anyone got any tips on reducing the workload for OCRICT Level 2 2010 Legacy? #ukedchat #paperwork

20:14:01 C_Farr0w@PhilWheeler1 We were just discussing . how long do youthink the' training process ' takes ? #UkEdChat

20:14:06 smanfarr

@LiamOManachain @bekblayton totally agree! Think it is

important part of encouraging learners to be critical andevaluative #ukedchat


RT @headguruteacher: #ukedchat This post :Marking inPerspective: Selective, Formative, Effective, Reflectivehttp://t.co/zCMn1cKp says ...

20:14:33 hayleyjess

Highlighting is ideal -grabs attention- especially whenagainst success criteria.Get children to self&peerassess in this way too! #ukedchat

20:14:34 DebbieHolley1

RT @smanfarr: @C_Farr0w #ukedchat start early - year 7.

Model what good feedback looks like. Embed by doing invarious forms at dif stag ...

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20:14:44 DebbieHolley1RT @MisterGBrown: Key element is giving children time torespond to marking and 'close the gap' #ukedchat

20:14:53 C_Farr0wDo you think students can be 'trained' to mark their own ,

or peer's , work ? and how? #UkEdChat


RT @dandesignthink: we created these marking reminderbookmarks for staff at Hitchins' boys school#ukedchat http://t.co/fLm5mgYE

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20:15:09 headguruteacher

#ukedchat This post http://t.co/IWkhSQoH is about a wholeschool approach. At the end a resource about reducingworkload, increasing impact,


also like idea of triple impact marking, why is your workready to be marked? do you agree with my comments?http://t.co/KdZ8QLZM #ukedchat

20:15:16 hayleyjess


20:15:19 tmeeky You can't beat 'just in-time' oral feedback #ukedchat20:15:47 C_Farr0w @tmeeky Not always easy though #UkEdChat

20:16:15 dandesignthinkYou also need to make sure students know what yourmarking means! #ukedchat http://t.co/Eg5gIkkX

20:16:17 C_Farr0w

RT @headguruteacher: #ukedchat This posthttp://t.co/IWkhSQoH is about a whole school approach. Atthe end a resource about reducing wor ...

20:16:26 bekblayton@C_Farr0w trained to respond to the aims of the lessons,or specific criteria. Doesnt take long, y2 up #ukedchat



20:16:33 EngChatUKRT @ChrisChivers2: #ukedchat Thoughts on feedback.http://t.co/ZBExS3TO

20:16:47 GoldfishBowlMM

Hard to massively reduce time spent marking.Essential togive time to act on feedback so the time spent isworthwhile. #ukedchat

20:17:39 tmeeky

@C_Farr0w Oral feedback during the lesson ... 'working'the class. Not easy but better than hours of pointlessmarking #ukedchat


#ukedchat Robust dept policy of only marking key

assessments at set intervals; tick and flick waste of time?20:17:49 MisterGBrown Focused marking which closes the gap has to be planned,

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can't do it every time #ukedchat

20:17:51 C_Farr0w@GoldfishBowlMM what if the workload sends youinsane? #UkEdChat

20:18:05 HuntingEnglish RT @ethinking: #ukedchat @simfin @ukedchat @c_farr0w@8pm feedback: stop wasting time writing it & talk 2the buggers. Now lets talk ...

20:18:12 C_Farr0w @tmeeky I would agree! #UkEdChat

20:18:16 bekblayton

ask pupils, 'who reads your work first?' - their answershould be, 'me' - reflect on their work with aims and nextsteps #ukedchat

20:19 tmeeky

Obv we must recog marking has several dimensions; age,context of lesson, focus etc .. no need to mark everythingin the same way #ukedchat

20:19:05 smanfarr

#ukedchat marking with pupils also powerful. Task settingand lesson planning needs to factor in learningconversations

20:19:09 HuntingEnglish


20:19:25 ukcreativeed

#ukedchat #commentsmakekidssmile #engagement all thecool kids are on our blog: http://t.co/C2XD7GuO - comeand join us!


I've been experimenting with mailmerge to create feedbackactivities. Works well and saving time too.http://t.co/vGoyEs0X #ukedchat

20:19:36 mattjamestwitGreat student demonstrations of compound angle formulae#math #ukedchat http://t.co/fvV8rpDS

20:19:37 C_Farr0w@smanfarr Define learning conversations. What do youmean by this? #UkEdChat

20:19:37 AmyG2191

RT @dandesignthink: You also need to make surestudents know what your marking means! #ukedchat

http://t.co/Eg5gIkkX

20:19:51 MisterGBrownYear 6 marking, greatest weight of marking with tightestdeadlines #ukedchat


#ukedchat i also like these new transparent stickers formaking so you can still see students workhttp://t.co/Pu5WrMxa

20:20:02 ChrisChivers2#ukedchat Give feedback against clear expectations, SC,WILF. Keep it simple!http://t.co/fYqSua4r

20:20:19 RGD01 @dandesignthink love this reminder #ukedchat

20:20:33 urban_teacher @Billy_Bone Cheers i will get my students to upload theirwork on the vle! #ukedchat

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20:20:40 Educ_job_please

#ukedchat Feedback is part of continuous cycle oflearning. Key point - get students to keep going back tofeedback as a means to improve.

20:20:42 C_Farr0w @MisterGBrown Do you feel it is too much, and do youthink some of it is pointless? #UkEdChat


RT @dandesignthink: #ukedchat i also like these newtransparent stickers for making so you can still seestudents work http://t.co/Pu5WrMxa

20:20:56 developingTandL

RT @dandesignthink: You also need to make surestudents know what your marking means! #ukedchathttp://t.co/Eg5gIkkX

20:21 LadyOlive78 Love literacy, love marking #ukedchat http://t.co/AVbku3oA

20:21 GeorgeEBlack

RT @ChrisChivers2: #ukedchat Give feedback againstclear expectations, SC, WILF. Keep it simple!http://t.co/fYqSua4r

20:21:12 hgaldinoshea

RT @CliveSir: Make a visualiser/ doc camera with awebcam, angle-poise lamp and an old tripod head.http://t.co/DaGGHYWu #edtech #ukedchat

20:21:21 tmeekyThe actual creator of WILF and WALT reflects on thatbeing a big regret - I have to agree with her #ukedchat

20:21:43 smanfarr

@C_Farr0w #ukedchat a one to one discussion about atask and how to improve. Time consuming but soworthwhile. Not done for everything #obv

20:21:44 C_Farr0w

RT @LadyOlive78: Love literacy, love marking #ukedchathttp://t.co/n86THyMk" Every school should use this! Thisshould be mandatory

20:21:49 ukedchat

@C_Farr0w has volunteered to turn the final part oftonight's #ukedchat over to the announcement aboutEbacc/GCSE. #DualChatTheme

20:21:50 CliveSir

Some ideas: Oral Formative Feedback Top TenStrategies by @HuntingEnglish http://t.co/Gy4SA0hQ

#ukedchat

20:22:20 business_teach


20:22:27 UKLiteracy#ukedchat WWW/EBI then kids to highlight &annotate your comments on their work

20:22:32 MrJamesKCC#KCC13MMe1 Great demonstrations of compound angleformulae #math #ukedchat http://t.co/izGtyDFk

20:22:49 tmeeky

10 CC song; art for art's sake... marking for marking's

sake? #ukedchat20:23:07 C_Farr0w As the last part of our Marking/Feedback chat. Do you

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think OFSTED's 'Progress over time' encourages moremarking ? #UkEdChat


@CliveSir: Some ideas: Oral Formative Feedback Top

Ten Strategies by @HuntingEnglish http://t.co/7L9LByj8#ukedchat brilliant!

20:23:26 ukedchat

RT @C_Farr0w: As the last part of our Marking/Feedbackchat. Do you think OFSTED's 'Progress over time'encourages more marking ? #UkEdChat


@C_Farr0w Marking everything would definitely send youinsane- important to give high quality feedback regularlybut selectively. #ukedchat


RT @C_Farr0w: RT @LadyOlive78: Love literacy, lovemarking #ukedchat http://t.co/n86THyMk" Every schoolshould use this! This should be ...

20:23:45 tmeeky

RT @C_Farr0w: . Do you think OFSTED's 'Progress overtime' encourages more marking ? #UkEdChat < OK,Marking for Ofsted's sake

20:23:54 Primary_Ed Only 6 school days until half term!! #ukedchat #edchat

20:24:07 C_Farr0wRT @Primary_Ed: Only 6 school days until half term!!#ukedchat #edchat

20:24:12 gregtheseal

RT @CliveSir: Some ideas: Oral Formative Feedback Top Ten Strategies by @HuntingEnglishhttp://t.co/Gy4SA0hQ #ukedchat

20:24:40 BuzzBurman

RT @nightzookeeper: Check out this NZK bird created at aBristol primary school today! #creativekids #ukedchat#NZKProject #100word http ...

20:24:45 HaverhillRovers

@C_Farr0w I think marking needs to be altered accordingto the context, sometimes secretarial, sometimes closingthe gap #ukedchat

20:24:49 tmeeky@HaverhillRovers She regerts the impact they have had..heard her say it #UkEdChat

20:25:04 jrobinson1978@C_Farr0w #ukedchat how long is 'time' in progress overtime?

20:25:08 ukedchat

In tonight's #UKedchat we are discussing 2 topics:'marking/feedback' and the Ebacc/GCSE announcement.Welcome thoughts on both topics.

20:25:21 mrlockyer #ukedchat Praise the achievement, not the student.


#ukedchat The more students responsible for listening /reading your feedback, the more improvement = less "needto improve" feedback

20:25:28 C_Farr0w @jrobinson1978 Good point! #UkEdChat20:25:31 ChrisChivers2 RT @hayleyjess: @GeorgeEBlack: #ukedchat also have

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to manage student expectations and get them to realisethat 'feedback' isn't just b ...

20:25:32 Gwenelope

RT @headguruteacher: #ukedchat This post

http://t.co/IWkhSQoH is about a whole school approach. Atthe end a resource about reducing wor ...

20:25:53 DebbieHolley1#ukedchat. Here are some snippets of what is coming!http://t.co/jeIP6aC2

20:26:01 tmeekyAs per Dweck's mindset theory, praise the process not theend product #UkEdChat

20:26:08 mikallaane

hi @ictmagic do you hav a link or kno of one to last weeks#TMBett13 pls Sum1 was showin Printing Free Bks thnx#ukedchat

20:26:29 Lauren_K_Wright

@C_Farr0w ooh defo not! If the SC is right then all theyneed to know is what's achieved and where and what theirnext target is! #ukedchat

20:26:51 DebbieHolley1RT @tmeeky: As per Dweck's mindset theory, praise theprocess not the end product #UkEdChat

20:27:09 PetersonJKIs it worth marking (particularly in Maths) unless you markand give feedback after every lesson? #ukedchat

20:27:19 LA_McDermott

@ukedchat #UKedchat peer assess with highlightersstudents identify connectives & key vocab, checkSpellings. Set targets & return work

20:27:28 ChrisChivers2

RT @Educ_job_please: #ukedchat The more studentsresponsible for listening / reading your feedback, the moreimprovement = less "need t ...

20:27:38 C_Farr0w@PetersonJK According to OFSTED you should kniw howmuch progress your students are making #UkEdChat

20:27:55 emmaannhardyRT @tes: Big Gove speech on the national curriculumexpected tomorrow.... #ukedchat

20:27:55 MrAColley#ukedchat Teach them how to give quality feedback toeach other using Berger's public critique techniques.


RT @GeorgeEBlack: @CliveSir: Some ideas: OralFormative Feedback Top Ten Strategies by@HuntingEnglish http://t.co/7L9LByj8 #ukedchat ...

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@ukedchat #UKedchat students peer assess in red pen.WWW what went well positive comment. EBI target evenbetter if.


@smanfarr i would always get my GCSE students to markeach other using the mark schemes from spec. Totally

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helps them to focus #ukedchat

20:28:43 Primary_Ed

All the iPhone/ipad apps teachers should need for theirclassroom! http://t.co/hmm6NIYL #ukedchat #edchat

#edtech #edteach

20:28:58 Jivespin

'Progress over time' encourages teachers to include moremini-plenary activities so we can give feedback morefrequently #ukedchat

20:29:01 Necktar7

Gove(rnment) say coding more important than religion orcreativity.http://t.co/ZGXGKoY9 #ukedchat #EBacc Does OMG

mean Oh My Google now?

20:29:11 ICTmagicRT @DebbieHolley1: #ukedchat. Here are some snippetsof what is coming!http://t.co/jeIP6aC2

20:29:15 mikallaane

RT @GeorgeEBlack: @CliveSir: Some ideas: OralFormative Feedback Top Ten Strategies by@HuntingEnglish http://t.co/7L9LByj8 #ukedchat ...

20:29:25 C_Farr0w@Jivespin This is classed as 'In lesson progress' . No?#UkEdChat

20:29:51 day_tom

#ukedchat I think the progress over time has made memake sure that stu understand the why more. Andunderstood their feedback more

20:29:54 ICTmagic @Necktar7 Depends what you search for! ;) #ukedchat


@ukedchat #UKedchat student then self assess, doesspelling corrections & completes own WWW &EBI on work. Hand in to teacher.

20:30:04 JivespinMore mini plenaries means that we can mark less as weare assessing in a different way #ukedchat

20:30:45 failedcomiccan anyone summarise the new national curriculum formaths please? #ukedchat #tldr lol

20:30:56 collectivesolveRT @DebbieHolley1: #ukedchat. Here are some snippetsof what is coming!http://t.co/jeIP6aC2

20:30:59 ukedchat

For tonight's #UKedchat we are discussing 2 topics:'marking/feedback' and the Ebacc/GCSE announcement.Welcome thoughts on both topics.

20:31:01 C_Farr0w

We have two topics running this eve,so...... How is Gove'sannouncement going to affect you personally as a teacher.#UkEdChat


@ukedchat #UKedchat by the time work gets to teacher ithas been checked & corrected twice & teacherthen oversees & writes own WWW EBI

20:31:19 aw_bell RT @tesPrimary: All notable primary change proposals areat http://t.co/WVbHLf9P #ukedchat

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20:31:20 qriaz


20:31:31 siancarter1 Love parents' eve but it does mean bye bye voice!#ukedchat

20:31:46 Jivespin

@C_Farr0w Depends on the plenary. If the plenaries leadto a short written response that means just a quick check#ukedchat

20:32:22 Graham_IRISCRT @IRIS_Connect: Teacher Reflection to ProgressiveReflection #ukedchat #sltchat - http://t.co/JUhS9Nbs

20:32:24 jrobinson1978@Jivespin #ukedchat no proof of assessment though inthis case?

20:32:28 C_Farr0w@Jivespin but does that show progress over time?#UkEdChat

20:32:35 urban_teacherIdea: Using a VLE effectively could help you to work smart!#ukedchat

20:32:54 Gwenelope

@C_Farr0w At the moment there is an immediate sense ofrelief due to not having a new known unknown to deal with.#ukedchat

20:33:06 C_Farr0w

RT @Gwenelope: @C_Farr0w At the moment there is animmediate sense of relief due to not having a new knownunknown to deal with. #ukedchat

20:33:11 catchkitey

@EirsP @dandesignthink: we created these markingreminder bookmarks for staff at Hitchins' boys school#ukedchat http://t.co/XVwnyItO ...

20:33:34 C_Farr0w

@Gwenelope Yeah, no-one likes too much change. I stillthink Gove has something up his sleeve though#UkEdChat

20:33:35 benking01


20:33:47 poeticnihilistRT @GuardianTeach: Gove GCSE U-turn: here's ourround-up of teacher reactions on Twitterhttp://t.co/x1VMrXtS #ukedchat #GCSE

20:34:03 C_Farr0w@finbarjordy @ladyolive78 Do we have to innovate for itto work? #UkEdChat

20:34:04 kevbartle

KS4 Reforms and Accountability: The Good and the Badhttp://t.co/jfoad5mx >> NEW POST. An evaluation.#ukedchat

20:34:23 Jivespin

@C_Farr0w Depends on what you mean by over time?

Some of the mini plenaries if you use consistently do showprogress over time #ukedchat

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20:34:44 bekblayton@C_Farr0w I need more information! Have new draftdocuments been issued? Will miss WWII #ukedchat

20:34:50 Pekabelo

@urban_teacher coming to the decision that VLE=DEAD

TECHNOLOGY! So much bespoke up to the minute freestuff. Google drive, edmodo #ukedchat

20:34:54 C_Farr0w@Jivespin It depends what OFSTED mean by over time.formal, recorded assesment I believe #UkEdChat

20:35:12 C_Farr0w@Pekabelo @urban_teacher add Dropbox to that list#UkEdChat



20:35:28 Jivespin

@jrobinson1978 Not unless students get into the habit ofnoting your oral feedback which mine do for someplenaries #ukedchat


@ukedchat getting students to highlight key vocab &connectives in dif colours allows them to visibly see writtenwork improvement #UKedchat

20:36:35 Jivespin

@C_Farr0w We give each student one assess enemy perhalf term. More than enough alongside class activities#ukedchat

20:36:50 jrobinson1978 @Jivespin #ukedchat good idea!


#ukedchat Ref NC. Probably a need to create overviewmodel over time, to see context demand and get view of"progress" at individual level.

20:37:14 web20education

What is mean for you #dlday #wallwisherhttp://t.co/3bq5FZUA Pls rt #edchat #ukedchat #eltchat#elemchat #ukedchat #ntchat #lrnchat #eli3

20:37:17 davidhunter #ukedchat audio feedback anyone?

20:37:21 C_Farr0wDo you think formal ,recorded feedback is more importantthan in-lesson feedback? #UkEdChat


#ukedchat as English and Media teacher mildly relievedabout Gove announcement for slightly different reasons ineach subject...

20:38:13 C_Farr0w @Jivespin What about HW marking? #UkEdChat

20:38:38 reynoldseffect


20:38:48 bekblayton

@davidhunter have used explain everything app with aphoto of childrens writing, drawn and explained my ideas

for improvements.. #ukedchat20:38:51 Primary_Ed When marking a children's piece of work it should act as a

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two way conversation. #ukedchat #edchat

20:38:59 Jivespin

@redgierob Our formal assessments are once every h/t.This and more informal feedback is enough for KS3. Exam

gps - once a week #ukedchat


@ukedchat cautious welcome to Gove. He may haveretreated in his all out assault but beware of a covertattempt to push ahead! #ukedchat

20:39:09 GeorgeEBlack#ukedchat there was really no room for 21st centuryliteracies in the original plans.

20:39:10 Gwenelope@C_Farr0w No doubt. He's slipperier than an eel coated inCastrol GTX. #Gove #Ukedchat

20:39:16 aw_bellRT @tesPrimary: New primary curriculum for Englanddetail announced today http://t.co/5RfzUytd #ukedchat

20:39:21 tmeekyPartly to reduce need to mark (so much) I experimentedwith these resrcs http://t.co/brlYGI3I #ukedchat

20:39:31 pigsmightfly#UKedchat my daughter is annoyed about Ebacc/GCSE.She thinks her grades will be worthless :(

20:39:36 C_Farr0w@LiamOManachain @ukedchat I find myself agreeing withyou again. #UkEdChat

20:39:39 day_tom

#ukedchat Haven't had time to look at new curric unsureabout getting rid of ICT and replace with computing. Babybathwater comes to mind

20:40:09 SimonWhitehallhas to be immediate to be effective for many pupils@C_Farr0w #UkEdChat

20:40:14 MrWaldram

@mikallaane: @mrlockyer @mrwaldram you'll be a gr8#doubleact nxt week! Lookin 4ward 2 it :-) #ukedchatCheers dude

20:40:34 ChrisChivers2#ukedchat NC first step. Map against current provision.First NC, we had 95% correlation, therefore limited change.

20:40:41 Jivespin

@C_Farr0w Depends on H/W which can be assessed innext lesson unless it's projects, exam practice etc

#ukedchat

20:40:58 Hanna_English

Now 'A bridge too far'...dramatic shift from Gove aboutGCSEs. Bye Ebacc? Hello...? #ukedchat #gove #ebacc#uturn http://t.co/C4TtbGNK

20:41 davidhunter

@bekblayton I like that idea.the big problem with writtenmaking is the difficulty inn getting it to stand out from clutter#ukedchat

20:41:11 Gwenelope@GoldfishBowlMM @C_Farr0w I SO need to be able to dothe selective thing better. Drowning in marking. #ukedchat

20:41:21 urban_teacher @Pekabelo #ukedchat VLE isn't dead... Its way how youuse it!

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@davidhunter #ukedchat have done with adult studentsand mock exam papers - they love it. Also do Vodcasts fortrainees when they in school

20:41:48 tmeeky 'A bridge too far' I couldn't concentrate cos I was listeningout for other film titles... oops #UkEdChat

20:42:01 MrsSarahSimons

Sorry to go on....Just a reminder #ukFEchat is on at 9pm.Would be fab to hear Ofsted experiences of any #ukedchatfolks who are still about

20:42:03 davidhunter

RT @DebbieHolley1: @davidhunter #ukedchat have donewith adult students and mock exam papers - they love it.Also do Vodcasts for traine ...

20:42:25 bekblayton@davidhunter using highlighters help, minimal writing onpage. #ukedchat I do love @explainevrythng though!!

20:42:26 Wonderacademy

#ukedchat People are looking for Gove cleverness in this Uturn, keeping the GCSE brand is an admission of defeatfrom him..simple as

20:42:33 tmeekyI showed Gove speech to my students today - they thoughthe was the guy in the Hobbit. #UkEdChat

20:42:39 hayleyjessNew curriculum: use of ICTs integrated, computingexplicitly taught = preparing children for future #ukedchat

20:42:56 JOHNSAYERS#UKedchat loved marking guidance by @HThompson1982http://t.co/9ffNWg98 lots of 'clear' techniques, consistency:)

20:43:01 davidhunter@DebbieHolley1 audio recording app that generates qrcodes? That would be novel #ukedchat


#ukedchat Not familiar of strengths/weaknesses of old/new curriculum. But once implemented there will begradual acceptance & embedding.

20:43:04 C_Farr0w @bigrajen its being switched to computing #UkEdChat

20:43:15 iamclairei#ukedchat I see binary and Hindu-Arabic numerals havedisappeared in the new draft NC.

20:43:37 LiamOManachain

RT @C_Farr0w: @Gwenelope Yeah, no-one likes too

much change. I still think Gove has something up hissleeve though #UkEdChat

20:43:47 MissKDeakinRT @tesPrimary: All notable primary change proposals areat http://t.co/WVbHLf9P #ukedchat

20:43:58 dukkhaboy #ukedchat marking takes up too much time.

20:44:06 Educ_job_pleaseRT @tmeeky: 'A bridge too far' I couldn't concentrate cos Iwas listening out for other film titles... oops #UkEdChat

20:44:20 EYTalking

#UKedchat join #EYTalking the Early Years community onTuesday between 8:00pm-9:00pm. Next week Talk all

about Understanding the World.20:44:22 JOHNSAYERS Critique Ron Berger method is my bread and butter. Get

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the students to do majority, reflect, act then we checkaffirm. #UKedchat

20:44:42 Gwenelope

RT @tmeeky: Partly to reduce need to mark (so much) I

experimented with these resrcs http://t.co/brlYGI3I#ukedchat


RT @Primary_Ed: When marking a children's piece ofwork it should act as a two way conversation. #ukedchat#edchat

20:44:45 bekblayton@davidhunter @DebbieHolley1 could easily link toyoutube/video #ukedchat

20:44:49 cherrylkd

It's taken me 45 minutes to find 'saved searches' on newtwitter update thus ensuring I've almost missed #ukedchatThanks twitter!

20:44:55 tmeeky

People with sense will strive for their own (effective)mix/balance of iCt and computing. C = communication#UkEdChat

20:45:06 JOHNSAYERS

Critique means you spend less time marking tuttingthinking why have they not done this used this. Do it inclass! #UKedchat

20:45:22 ariascarm


20:45:28 C_Farr0w

How does everyone go about marking and assessinghomework in a way that doesn't suck all their time?#UkEdChat

20:45:29 nicschoRT @DebbieHolley1: #ukedchat. Here are some snippetsof what is coming!http://t.co/jeIP6aC2

20:45:31 hayleyjess

@dandesignthink love this! -similar to what I already do:children mark own work as if they are teacher, then we seeif we agree #ukedchat

20:45:39 LauraChildcare

RT @EYTalking: #UKedchat join #EYTalking the Early

Years community on Tuesday between 8:00pm-9:00pm.Next week Talk all about Understand ...

20:45:43 CliveSirOneNote looks like it might be useful tech for feedback.Video: http://t.co/GgvWEh8I #ukedchat

20:45:47 JOHNSAYERSAllows students to understand and be part of the process,acknowledge, develop, maintain, enhance! #UKedchat

20:46:10 MouseNanny@emmaannhardy - not least war heroes! NoRemembrance Day. I will still remember them! #ukedchat

20:46:21 MrNPhipps

Looking for resources for an assembly on Rosa Parks.

Surprised I can't find a ready made assembly. Any ideas?#ukedchat

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20:46:22 IorekByrnisson

RT @JOHNSAYERS: #UKedchat loved marking guidanceby @HThompson1982 http://t.co/9ffNWg98 lots of 'clear'techniques, consistency:)

20:46:31 bekblayton @davidhunter oral feedback and peer marking is wellembedded in some schools. Depends how the work iscompleted #ukedchat


currently working on an English toolkit, which may helpstudents from making the little mistakes!http://t.co/igi9To3W #ukedchat

20:47:47 tmeeky

I enc my students to say/comment on how well they havedone according 2 sum expectations we've agreed. Theyare very honest #UkEdChat

20:47:51 DebbieHolley1@bekblayton @davidhunter #ukedchat yes but need tothink about individual v generic feedback YouTube

20:48:05 natmx88RT @Primary_Ed: Only 6 school days until half term!!#ukedchat #edchat

20:48:18 C_Farr0w @tmeeky Does that take training? #UkEdChat

20:48:19 SchoolLook37@CliveSir Beware geeks bearing gifts - OneNote ismassive, and unsecure. #ukedchat

20:48:23 bekblayton

@C_Farr0w homework can be one through conversationstarters notes kept on page and integrated in class. peermarked. Online etc #ukedchat

20:48:42 C_Farr0w @bekblayton and for those who fail to do it? #UkEdChat

20:48:43 tmeekyRT @C_Farr0w: @tmeeky Does that take training?#UkEdChat< not if kept simple


@bekblayton peer review is the only way to get immediatefeedback to ALL pupils inn large class on quality of theirwork #ukedchat

20:49:29 bekblayton@C_Farr0w the rod!!! - its a negotiation, they can learnfrom others. #ukedchat

20:49:30 mikeondigital

Anybody who's applied for ADE in UK heard or know when

to expect hearing back on their application? #ukedchat#edchat #ADE

20:49:35 gregtheseal

@JOHNSAYERS #ukedchat if you havent already seen ithttp://t.co/gz4at6Fu or visit http://t.co/WPhruaH9 vinformative.

20:49:41 C_Farr0w@davidhunter @bekblayton do you have any specificexamples? #UkEdChat

20:49:54 LA_McDermott@ChrisChivers2 @ukedchat #UKedchat also buildsconfidence in learning.

20:49:56 C_Farr0w @bekblayton so no punishment? #UkEdChat20:50:11 Educ_job_please #ukedchat Got to sign off 10 minutes early, but thank you

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all for the CPD. Hope to chat next week.


@jamesdhobson If no level, all we'll be able to say iscompleted /competent with KS2 curriculum. Not easy for

comparison with KS4? #ukedchat20:50:19 davidhunter

@DebbieHolley1 @bekblayton I suppose personal iPadswould allow effective personal oral feedback #ukedchat

20:50:38 bekblayton@davidhunter agreed, its important its directed by teacherthough #ukedchat

20:50:55 tonyparkin

RT @ukedchat: For tonight's #UKedchat we are discussing2 topics: 'marking/feedback' and the Ebacc/GCSEannouncement. Welcome thoughts o ...

20:51:17 C_Farr0w

Who do you think is getting the roughest deal fromannouncements today? ICT Teachers? G&T?....#UkEdChat


@TallisVMA #ukedchat agreed, hopefully some one willpoint that out to Gove and the like, We are living through aGutenburg press like era!

20:51:39 bekblayton

@C_Farr0w depends on school Eventually thoughtime to complete in school important, esp if expectingonline. #ukedchat

20:51:41 C_Farr0w@FiftyshadesOfB @ukedchat It certainly seems that way?#UkEdChat

20:52:01 nicolamagner

RT @JOHNSAYERS: #UKedchat loved marking guidanceby @HThompson1982 http://t.co/9ffNWg98 lots of 'clear'techniques, consistency:)

20:52:27 C_Farr0w@Tech_Stories Lol , well you could! wouldn't look good ata scrutiny. #UkEdChat


@C_Farr0w @bekblayton I use a structure calledtimedpairshare to peer review writing etc. Can then q chnabout partners wk #ukedchat

20:52:44 bekblayton

@DebbieHolley1 @davidhunter it would be individual, or at

least group. You wouldnt/couldnt do that for all anyway#ukedchat

20:53:52 bekblayton

@davidhunter @DebbieHolley1 Indeed, teacher can alsoshare grouped feedback if needed. E.g commonmisconceptions in maths. #ukedchat


@davidhunter @bekblayton #ukedchat reckon personalmobiles be better- more personalised but won't discussthat one now!


RT @CliveSir: OneNote looks like it might be useful tech

for feedback. Video: http://t.co/GgvWEh8I #ukedchat20:54:27 simon_elliott @C_Farr0w #UkEdChat The biggest issue is that

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academies, free schools and independents are not boundby the POS's. National=National.

20:54:57 davidhunter@DebbieHolley1 @bekblayton I'm a primary teacher so

that's not really going to happen... Yet #ukedchat20:55 ukedchat Just 5 minutes of #ukedchat remain. Final thoughts?

20:55:06 bekblayton

@davidhunter @C_Farr0w any aspect that is structured,and practised and modelled by teachers. Esp languageused. #ukedchat

20:55:15 jenibarnacleRT @Primary_Ed: Only 6 school days until half term!!#ukedchat #edchat

20:55:52 bekblayton

RT @mikeondigital: Anybody who's applied for ADE in UKheard or know when to expect hearing back on theirapplication? #ukedchat #edchat ...

20:55:57 CalabreseToto

@C_Farr0w #ukedchat def ICT teachers and inanticipation of tom's speech Primary ICT teachers inparticular!

20:56:12 hayleyjess

#ukedchat if you're using iPads in schools - showbie appallows for verbal or written feedback on students' work thatthey hand in on iPad.

20:56:21 C_Farr0w

To sum up; Marking can be streamlined by getting pupils todo it, assesing at half termly intervals and marking duringlesson. #UkEdChat

20:56:28 DebbieHolley1@davidhunter @bekblayton #ukedchat I was just going toadd that! LOL

20:56:29 unseenflirtSorry, missed it all. Was marking. RT @ukedchatJust 5 minutes of #ukedchat remain. Final thoughts?

20:56:30 Jivespin

The only people who will profit from the changes to theHistory curriculum are text book writers. It's certainly notour students #ukedchat

20:56:34 ChrisMalone48

RT @EYTalking: #UKedchat join #EYTalking the EarlyYears community on Tuesday between 8:00pm-9:00pm.

Next week Talk all about Understand ...

20:56:35 EarlyEssence

RT @EYTalking: #UKedchat join #EYTalking the EarlyYears community on Tuesday between 8:00pm-9:00pm.Next week Talk all about Understand ...

20:56:36 mrpeel #ukedchat - too much marking - ironic really!

20:56:40 _Mr_White_UK

RT @hayleyjess: #ukedchat if you're using iPads inschools - showbie app allows for verbal or written feedbackon students' work that th ...

20:56:49 C_Farr0w RT @mrpeel: #ukedchat - too much marking - ironic really!

20:57:28 C_Farr0w Any Gove acronyms to finish? Got Out (of the Ebacc) VeryEasy #UkEdChat

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20:57:57 Primary_EdUsing play to stimulate curiosity and inquiry in younglearners http://t.co/XxhkFnEG #ukedchat #edchat

20:58 SWGfLLaura

RT @hayleyjess: #ukedchat if you're using iPads in

schools - showbie app allows for verbal or written feedbackon students' work that th ...

20:58:26 hayleyjess

@hayleyjess: @bekblayton modelledfeedback/marking/assessment is so important! Agreed!#ukedchat

20:58:28 DebbieHolley1@bekblayton @davidhunter #ukedchat needs to be abalance and different for each child...

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20:59:35 C_Farr0w

Cheers Tweachers, Enjoyable chat and a few good

strategies to take away. #UkEdChat

20:59:43 CalabreseToto@Jivespin #ukedchat but that's Gove's agenda, profitthrough education! That's why Pearson et al love him!

20:59:48 GeekPeter


21:00 ukedchat

It's 9pm. Huge thanks to @c_farr0w for hosting tonights#ukedchat. The archive will be at http://t.co/aoXhKTn0soon.

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