roderick genealogly (a bit later than adam & eve)

RODERICK GENEALOGLY

(A Bit Later than Adam & Eve)

Frederick IILandgrave of Hesse-Cassel

Married to daughter of King George II of Great Britain and Caroline of Ansbach (Germany).

King George III

Duke Carl I – Duke of Brunswick

HESSIAN SOLDIERS

GERMAN STATES SENDING SOLDIERS• Hessen-Kassel: 17,000• Hessen-Hanau: 2,600• Brunswick: 5,723• Waldeck: 1,225• Anhalt-Zerbst 1,119• Brandenburg-Anspach 1,040

HESSIAN SOLDIERS IN THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION

Modern Germany (16 States)Many “Hessian” Soldiers came from Lower Saxony.

1789 Germany

BUT WHAT ABOUT

FREDERICK RODERICK

11 Questions to answer• 1. Was Frederick Roderick a “Hessian Soldier”?• • 2. If a German soldier, from which province? Hesse-Kassel, Hesse-Hanau, Brunswick, Waldeck, Anspach-

Bayreuth, or Anhalt-Zerbst. • • 3. If a German soldier, what was his German name?• • 4. Was Frederick a stonemason?• • 5. Was Frederick Roderick of German descent?• • 6. Did Frederick Roderick’s ship land on Staten Island near New York or elsewhere? • • 7. Did Frederick Roderick desert the British forces?• • 8. Did Frederick Roderick join Washington’s Army?• • 9. Did Frederick Roderick live in Charlottesville, Virginia?• • 10. The family history says that the German soldiers were “liberty-loving and decided to desert the

English Army at the first opportunity and help win the independence of the American people by joining American forces.” Is there evidence that this was the case?

• • 11. Was Frederick Roderick honorably discharged from the American Army?•

DNA Analysis

Roderick vs. Rothrock DNA

#Kit Last Name

H

G

393

390

19

391

385a

385b

426

388

439

389|1

392

389|2

458

459a

459b

455

454

447

437

448

449

464a

464b

464c

464d

464e

464f

464g

460

G

A

TA

H

4

YCA

II

a

YCA

II

b

456

607

576

570

CD

Y

a

CD

Y

b

442

438

531

578

395S1a

395S1b

590

537

641

472

406S1

511

425

413a

413b

557

594

436

490

534

450

444

481

520

446

617

568

487

572

640

492

565

German

1

53278

Rothrock

E1b1b1

12

24

13

11

15

19

11

12

11

13

11

30

2

130015

Hawk

E1b1b1

12

24

13

11

15

19

11

12

11

13

11

30

15 9 9 1

111

26

14

20

33

13

16

16

17

3

149527

Roderick

E1b1b1

12

24

13

11

15

19

11

12

11

13

11

30

15 9 9 1

111

26

14

20

33

13

16

16

17 9 1

119

21

17

13

17

19

32

34

13

10

4

69305

Roadruck

R1b1b2

12

24

14

11

11

14

12

12

12

13

13

30

16 9 1

011

11

24

15

19

28

15

15

16

17 1

111

19

23

16

14

17

17

34

38

12

12

5

14507

Roderick

I2b1

14

23

16

10

15

16

11

13

11

14

12

31

15 8 1

010

11

24

14

20

27

11

14

14

15 1

0 9 19

21

14

14

16

20

34

39

11

10

Roderick Haplogroup: I2b1Rothrock Haplogroup: E1b1b1Matches = 3 of 12 – means there is no relationship

Frequency Distribution of Haplogroup I2b1The center of haplogroup I2b1 is in Lower Saxony, Germany. The originator of this group must have lived in this area for a long time as so many members live here; perhaps Frederick Roderick.

The Viking (800 to 1066 A.D.)DYS# 390 = 23

HEDEBY, GERMANY – VIKING CITY

Northern Germany, Denmark, & Netherlands

MAP OF LOWER SAXONY AREA

LOWER SAXONY

COUNTIES OF LOWER SAXONY

3,000 YEAR OLD SKULL FROM LICHTENSTEIN CAVE – I2b2(Dorste, Lower Saxony, Germany)

Manfred Huchthausen and Uwe Lange, neighbors – closely related to each other and the skull.

GERMAN STONEMASONS

• Lower Saxony known as “Stonemason State”• Apprentices only accepted for 5 years.• Fathers (masons) can bind sons for 5 years.• Masters accept or declare apprentices “free”.• All done in presence of the lodge.• Frederick had to be 19 years or older in 1776.

WAS THERE A QUARRY IN LOWER SAXONY, GERMANY?

Yes there is!Obernkirchen, Lower Saxony

• “As one of the world's oldest active quarries, we have been supplying to projects throughout all of Europe and beyond for 1,000 years. Throughout this period, well-known master builders and architects have used our sandstone to create impressive edifices.

• In former times, the raw blocks were mostly quarried and hewn in one step. Initially, the master stonemasons and their assistants used muscle power and the simplest tools to break the blocks. Back then, as many as 27 master stonemasons quarried at the same time.

Are Brunswick, Obernkirchen, and Dorste Close to Each other?

Obernkirchen Quarry near Hameln—Braunschweig is “Brunswick” (Duke lived There)The Lichtenstein Cave is Near Osterode (30 miles from Hameln)

MODERN EUROPE

(SUGGESTED) HISTORY – MIGRATION OF MANKIND(Europe 50,000 years ago)

ICE AGE – 18,000 YEARS AGO

DOGGERLAND – 8,000 to 10,000 years ago

Haplogroups During Ice Age (18,000 years ago)

European Haplogroup Migration – After Ice Age (12,000 years ago)

M253 - ASgen --- 3500 yearsM253 - P --- 3450 yearsM253 – T2 --- 3330 yearsM253 – AS13 --- 3360 yearsM253 - AS1 --- 1920 yearsM253 – AS8 --- 2000 yearsM253 – AS2 --- 1920 yearsM253 – AS3 --- 2030 yearsM253 – AS4 --- 940 yearsM253 – AS7E --- 1630 yearsM253 – EE --- 1500 years

L22 - Norse --- 3000 yearsL22 – NuN14 --- 2750 yearsP109 --- 2730 yearsL22 – uN1 --- 2550 yearsL22– uN2 --- 1570 yearsL22 – uN9 --- 1800 yearsL22 – uN9a --- 1450 yearsL22 – Bothnia --- 1850 years

M26 – I2a1 --- 6000 yearsL161 – Isles-A --- 1500 yearsL161 – Isles-B --- 5370 yearsL161 – Isles-C --- 2730 yearsL161 – Isles-D --- 2520 yearsL69=T – Dinaric --- 2520 yearsL233 – Western --- 1860 years

M223 – I2b1* -- Roots --- 4650 yearsM223 -- Continental-1 --- 2430 yearsM223 -- Continental-2a --- 4140 yearsM223 – Continental-2b --- 3240 yearsM223 – Continental-2c --- 3450 yearsP78 – Continental-3 --- 4500 yearsM284 – Isles – Eng --- 3870 yearsM284 S165 – Isles – Scot --- 1730 Years

L38 --- I2b2 – 4100 years

S31(all) – I2* --- 7750 yearsS31-13 --- 4400 yearsS31-14 --- 4110 yearsS31-12 --- 2580 yearsS31-J --- 420 years

Estimated TMRCAs for Y Haplogroup I Clades

K Nordtvedt 1 May 2010

200400600

I2a3-Western

I2a2a-Dinaric

I2a1

I2a2b-Isles-C

I2a2b-Isles-BI2a2b-Isles-A

I2b2I2*-A

I1

I2*-B

I2b1a1-Isles-Scot

K Nordtvedt 4 Dec 2009Generations = 16 GD { 1 + .015 GD + .00018 GD^2 }

due to back mutationsGreen snps are very new and work products

Generations Ago

I2b1c-ContI2b1-Roots

I2b1-Cont

-6000-12,000-18,000 Years Ago

I2*-C

P30 P40 M253 M307 S62-66 S107-111, L157, L186-7 + lots more

L34,36,59=S151,152,157M223, S24P219-223 = S117-120

P215=S31

S23=P217 S30=P216S32=P218 S33=P214S150=L35 S153=L37L181

P37.2

M26 L158 L159

S165,166

P78

EstimatedPresent

Arrowheads indicate clade MRCAs

-24,000

M423

I2a*-F

L68=S140

L38-40,65 = S154-156,159

S163=L69=T

I1d S142=L22

DYS388=9

I2a2a-Disles

I2b1a*-Isles-EnglishM284

800

I2a2b-Isles-D

L161

L178

L160

Rescaled Haplogroup I Tree

L205, P109L258

I2a1a

L233

L234, L242

I2a*-Alps

http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/journey/

What About the 11 Questions?

11 Questions to answer• 1. Was Frederick Roderick a “Hessian Soldier”?• • 2. If a German soldier, from which province? Hesse-Kassel, Hesse-Hanau, Brunswick, Waldeck, Anspach-

Bayreuth, or Anhalt-Zerbst. • • 3. If a German soldier, what was his German name?• • 4. Was Frederick a stonemason?• • 5. Was Frederick Roderick of German descent?• • 6. Did Frederick Roderick’s ship land on Staten Island near New York or elsewhere? • • 7. Did Frederick Roderick desert the British forces?• • 8. Did Frederick Roderick join Washington’s Army?• • 9. Did Frederick Roderick live in Charlottesville, Virginia?• • 10. The family history says that the German soldiers were “liberty-loving and decided to desert the

English Army at the first opportunity and help win the independence of the American people by joining American forces.” Is there evidence that this was the case?

• • 11. Was Frederick Roderick honorably discharged from the American Army?•