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IEEE/Industry Applications Society/Technical Book Coordinating Committee Protection & Coordination Working Group (IAS/TBCC/3004 WG) P3004.8 “Recommended Practice for Motor Protection in Industrial and Commercial Power Systems” Working Group Meeting June 10, 2014 – Houston, TX/WEB Approved Minutes Issued July 6, 2014, published July 9, 2014 Chair Lorraine Padden called the meeting to order at 8:00 a.m. on June 10, 2014, at Schneider-Electric in Houston, TX and WEB online meeting. Agenda: A motion was made by David Bredhold and seconded by Jim Crook to approve the agenda as amended. Meeting agenda was approved. Meeting Attendees: (See Attachment) Attendees were introduced in person and on the WEB/telecon and attendance was taken. Minutes The minutes of the previous meeting April 22, 2014 were posted online and votes were taken of the voting members in person/web and using the ePoll feature of IEEE 3004.8 mentor site. The minutes were approved and will be posted to the mentor site. IEEE Patent Slides The IEEE Patent Slides were reviewed. No patent issues were brought forward by anyone in attendance. PAR Scope, Purpose and Schedule Working Group was asked if there were any questions regarding the Par Scope, Purpose and Schedule. There were no questions. The general target is to complete the draft by August 2014, ballot the Working Group 3Q 2014, invitation to ballot 3Q 2014, start formal balloting 3Q 2014, and submit to RevCom before October 2014. The Working Group requested information on signing up in myProject so they could get the invitation to ballot. This information is on the IEEE 3004.8 mentor site and is also attached to these minutes. NOTE: to vote on this standard, sign up in myProject, respond to the invitation to ballot, and respond to formal ballot – vote & comment.

IEEE/Industry Applications Society/Technical Book Coordinating Committee Protection & Coordination Working Group (IAS/TBCC/3004 WG) P3004.8 “Recommended Practice for Motor Protection in Industrial and Commercial Power Systems” Working Group Meeting June 10, 2014 – Houston, TX/WEB Old Business The Task List was reviewed and updated. See attached. New Business

8:00 am – Review Annex B to harmonize with C37.2; include 61850-7-4 The information in Annex B was reviewed and the Working Group consensus was to include 61850-7-4 in Annex B tables as shown in C37.2.

• Resolve conflicts in Typical motor protection functions (Table 6, Figures 3 & 4;, Figure 10 & 11; Figures 28 & 29; Annex B; discuss synchronous in Figures & Table B.2)

• Review MV Fused starter & Breaker starter 1 & 3-lines (Bredhold)

• Determine if both Filled Box and List Box examples should be included (Leschert comments)

The Filled Box method will be used for the MV starter samples. Table 6 and the Figures were reviewed and updated.

• Review Devices 49, 49S, 49R – Thermal & electronic overload; winding overtemperature

• 6.10; 7.1.1; 7.3; 8.4.1; 9.1.6; ( note old sections moved 9.2.2; 9.2.4)

The Working Group consensus was to distinguish between 49, 49S, and 49R throughout the document. The consensus of the Working Group was to leave the Thermal & electronic overload and winding overtemperature information in the various sections and not consolidate.

• Review 5.2; Motor starting; extracted material from Red Book (Padden)

• Solicit figures for 5.2 (photos or starting 1-lines)

Jim Crook will check for photos and figures for 5.2.

• Review comparison of C37.96 vs 3004.8 (Ali comments)

Comments were reviewed.

• Review HP vs Kw – spreadsheet – (Bryan)

The Working Group consensus was to use standard HP values and select a kW value that closely matches. The HP and kW values in the document were reviewed and the values adjusted to standard values as needed. .

IEEE/Industry Applications Society/Technical Book Coordinating Committee Protection & Coordination Working Group (IAS/TBCC/3004 WG) P3004.8 “Recommended Practice for Motor Protection in Industrial and Commercial Power Systems” Working Group Meeting June 10, 2014 – Houston, TX/WEB

• Review ASD comments 9.1.5 filters & reactors (Crook)

The information in 9.1.5 was reviewed and accepted by the working Group.

• Other

The cable PD information should be moved to the PD Annex.

Next Meetings The next meetings were planned as follows: Web only meetings for Tuesday July 8, 2014 Plan 8:00 am – Noon. Web only meetings for Tuesday August 5, 2014. All-day; 8:00 am – 4:00 pm Texas Time A motion was made by David Bredhold and seconded by Louis. Motion unanimously approved. The Meeting adjourned at 2:45 p.m. Lorraine K. Padden, Chair, IEEE P3004.8 Attachments: 3004.8 Task List, Meeting Attendees, &

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IEEE/Industry Applications Society/Technical Book Coordinating Committee Protection & Coordination Working Group (IAS/TBCC/3004 WG) P3004.8 “Recommended Practice for Motor Protection in Industrial and Commercial Power Systems” Working Group Meeting June 10, 2014 – Houston, TX/WEB

3004.8 TASK LIST

Section No. Description Lead/Group

General

Yellow highlights-references to old Buff book – decide if we reference old book and/or new standards that are in development. Same for other Color Book references.

- Are they needed - If so is there new reference - If not, keep old reference

Paul Cardinal Lorraine Padden

9. Develop ASD section Jim Crook-Lead, Jeff Hensley, Dan Neeser, Tim O’Hearn, John Kay

MV Add snubber information- stator winding protection, plan for July 2014 meeting

John Kay, Dave Bredhold

General Check NEMA references – plan for July 2014 meeting Jim Bryan

8.4.5 Add NEMA vibration table, copyright; plan for July 2014 meeting (inquiry sent to NEMA-Lisa Perry ask about MOU;)

Jim Bryan

Get with Kurt LeDoux on LV ASD application- request made by lkp- July meeting

Lorraine Padden

Get with Michael Noonan for LV ASD applications

Lorraine Padden

5.2.1 to 5.2.4

Soft start, wye delta – some information added in D3.7; for April 2014 meeting- check w/John, David Solicit diagrams June 2014; Jim Crook-diagrams

John Kay, David Bredhold

DC Motor protection, DC drives; - plan for June 2014 meeting John Kay

GE Example, Bharat Mistry Lorraine Padden Copyright for thermocouple wire Manish Singh Check, overcurrent, overvoltage, undervoltage Lorraine Padden

Send Copyright-release to WG members/post on mentor site Lorraine Padden

9.1.2 Check with Barry Wood to see if API standards discuss ASD applications; - telecon June 13, 2013 Sent emails – follow-up w/API July 2014

Lorraine Padden

IEEE/Industry Applications Society/Technical Book Coordinating Committee Protection & Coordination Working Group (IAS/TBCC/3004 WG) P3004.8 “Recommended Practice for Motor Protection in Industrial and Commercial Power Systems” Working Group Meeting June 10, 2014 – Houston, TX/WEB

Section No. Description Lead/Group

9.3.8 Multiple motors – plan for June 2014 NEC 430.130 & 131; check 3004.8 for more info

Jeff Hensley, John Kay

10 DC Motor – plan for July 2014 Chris Heron, Jim Bryan

11 DC ASD motor protection – plan for July 2014 Chris Heron, John Kay

C37 Fig. 39 Prepare new C37 Fig. 39, ASD Zones of protection; added to D3.6; updated 3/2014; update July 2014 use Dev. 11; keep 87M & 49

John Kay

C37 Fig. 40

Update Figure with transformer protection; update CT symbols Consult w/David Shipp on Transformer secondary configuration (ungrounded delta MV) and protection needed

Lorraine Padden

C37 Fig. 41 Update Fig. 41 to show internal protection matching Fig. 39; match symbols John Kay

C37 Fig. 44 Prepare V/Hz figure; added to D3.6; updated 3/2014; for V nominal – delete “nominal” John Kay

GE Bently-Nevada, vibration section; included in D3.6; need CR Provide updated text on vibration; provide references for stator monitor; provide pictures in jpeg, get CRights

Lorraine Padden

9.1.6 PTC Figure Jim Crook

5.2.1 add text on current and voltage and torque values; no frequency change; also graphs> David Bredhold;

Jim Crook

5.2 Contribute photos/graphs/diagrams of start methods Jim Crook

9.3.3 Request Working Group copy of IEEE C57.110 Perry/Padden

9.3.7 Need to add information for MV multiple motors, Jeff Hensley, John Kay>

Ask for a Web session with Lisa Perry on how to sign up in myProject so the Working Group can get invite and ballot. Full “how to” session on sign up and ballot process.

Perry/Padden

IEEE/Industry Applications Society/Technical Book Coordinating Committee Protection & Coordination Working Group (IAS/TBCC/3004 WG) P3004.8 “Recommended Practice for Motor Protection in Industrial and Commercial Power Systems” Working Group Meeting June 10, 2014 – Houston, TX/WEB Section No. Completed Task Description Lead/Group

General Check on VT or PT or both – VT, voltage (potential) transformer, add to abbreviations

Lorraine Padden

Fig 25 & 26 Prepare new Figures; added to D3.6; updated 3/2014 John Kay

Fig 27 Prepare bypass Figures for ASD; added to D3.6; updated 3/2014 John Kay

9.3.8.2 Partial discharge; Annex added to D3.6 from Renforth information; needs CR & review

Chris Heron, Macolm Seltzer-Grant

12.2 Class II; material from Singh added D3.6 for review

Chris Heron, Manish Singh

6.5.1 MV multifunction relay (move to end); Figures reviewed 3/25/2014 meeting; updated; added D3.7 David Bredhold

Annex B Insert Table of IEEE device numbers; added D3.6; John Kay

6.3.2 Fig. 2

Change direction of arrow, single-phasing diagram & change to 115% Jim Bryan

C37 Fig. 39 Conduct ePoll to determine if Working Group wants to use device 50/51 or device 11 – use Dev. 11; keep 87M & 49

Lorraine Padden

C37 Fig. 43 Update Fig 43 bypass Figures for ASD; show block diagram; use CT symbol; show NO/NC contacts with interlocks for bypass; show Dev 11 (Jim Crook complete May 2014)

John Kay, Jim Crook

References

Request Working Group copies from IEEE, Lisa Perry, for the reference documents and new 3000 series documents so we can clean up the references throughout the document – requested April 2014 (Perry posted to mentor site May 2014)

Lorraine Padden

8.4.1 Add stator overtemperature setting to text - plan for April 2014 meeting- Done-edited 4-22-2014

John Kay

General Check kW and hp; checking IEC & NEMA; spreadsheet reviewed June 2014 Jim Bryan

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NameE-mail (this is public information unless noted otherwise) Company Company Affiliation (if different) Designation

Attendance 06/10/2014

Working Group OfficersPadden, Lorraine paddeneng@aol.com Padden Engineering, LLC Padden Engineering, LLC Chair, Voting Member X

Working Group MembershipAbdel Khalek, Mohamed mamohame@pgesco.com PGESCo PGESCo Aspirant Member

Alahmad, Mahmoud malahmad2@unl.edu

Ali, Mohammed Ashraf alimas@sabic.com SABIC E&PM Aspirant Member

Arcega, F arcegafj@unizar.es Universidad de Zaragoza University of Zaragoza Aspirant Member EBaird, Gregory gregory_baird@hotmail.com Jones & Carter, Inc. Jones & Carter, Inc. Aspirant Member

Bapat, Ashvin

ashvin.bapat@ge.comGeneral Electric Company (GE)

General Electric Company (GE)

Non-Voting Member

Bavishi, Smit smit@smitbavishi.com Hatch Mott MacDonald Hatch Mott MacDonald Non-Voting Member

Belayneh, Sirak sbelayne@addistech.com Addis Tech DC Water Voting Member WebBredhold, Robert David dbredhold@gmail.com C&I Engineering C&I Engineering Voting Member WebBryan, James jbryan@easa.com Voting Member WebCardinal, Paul paul.g.cardinal@shell.com Non-Voting Member

Carroll, James jamescarrollsr@cox.net Kelly Services, Inc. On assignment to the Dow Chemical Company

IEEE Member / Self Aspirant Member

Crook, Jim jim.crook@schneider-electric.comSchneider Electric Schneider Electric Voting Member Web

Fox, Gary

gary.fox@ge.comGeneral Electric Company (GE)

General Electric Company (GE)

Franklin, Jerry jbfranklin@pdengineers.com Engineers, Inc. Engineers, Inc. Non-Voting Member

Hensley, Jeffrey jnh@freese.com Freese and Nichols, Inc Freese and Nichols, Inc Voting Member

Heron, Chris heronc@tecowestinghouse.comg

Companyg

Company Voting Member

Hinchliffe, David david.hinchliffe@exeloncorp.com Exelon Corporation Exelon Corporation Voting Member

Hohrein, Byron bhohr1023@aol.com Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority Voting Member EJAIN, MAYANK iitd.mayank@gmail.com Steel Authority of India IEEE Member / Self Aspirant Member

Kay, John jakay@ra.rockwell.com Rockwell Automation Rockwell Automation Voting Member EKim, Sangyoun sykimk@gmail.com Bechtel Corporation Bechtel Corporation Aspirant Member

Kloba, Theodore kloba@sbcglobal.net CDM Smith CDM Smith Aspirant Member

Lagree, James JamesLLagree@Eaton.com Eaton Corporation Eaton Corporation Aspirant Member

Larsen, Ed ed.larsen@ieee.org Schneider Electric Schneider Electric Observer

Leschert, Duane duane.leschert@worleyparsons.com WorleyParsons, Ltd. WorleyParsons, Ltd. Aspirant Member

Linenbrink, Timothy

tim_linenbrink@msn.comNorth American Engineering, PLLC

Aspirant Member

Mcalhaney Jr, John mcalhaney@ieee.org Solutions, LLC Aspirant Member

Mohd Saad, Ahmad fauzisd@gmail.com PETRONAS PETRONAS Aspirant Member

Neeser, Daniel dan.neeser@cooperindustries.com Cooper Bussmann, Inc. Cooper Bussmann, Inc. Non-Voting Member

Neubauer, Arthur neubaueras@aol.com Arseal Technologies Arseal Technologies Aspirant Member

O'Hearn, Timothy timohearn1@gmail.com Self Voting Member

Ostojic, Pero pero.ostojic@ge.com General Electric Company (GE) Aspirant Member ERansom, Daniel Leland danra995@yahoo.com Basler Electric Company Basler Electric Company Voting Member

Scheffler, Timothy tscheffl@vt.edu U.S. Air ForceSeltzer-Grant, Malcolm malcolm@hvpd.co.uk HVPD Aspirant MemberSingh, Manish manishvikramsingh@yahoo.co.in Suzlon Energy Ltd. Suzlon Energy Limited Voting Member

Spence, Louis louis.spence@lcec.net Voting Member WebStewart, Bill billgstewart@chevron.com Chevron ChevronStrang Jr, Douglas proee@ieee.org S & S ENGINEERING, P.C. S & S ENGINEERING, P.C. Aspirant Member ETeh, Liang Hean heantl@hotmail.com Siemens self funded Aspirant Member

Thomasson, Mike wmthomasson@prodigy.net Burns & McDonnell Burns & McDonnell Voting Member

Valdes, Marcelo marcelo.valdes@ge.com Aspirant Member

Verma, Sunil sverma@globalskm.com Sinclair Knight Merz Sinclair Knight Merz Voting Member E

University of Nebraska-Lincoln

Electrical Apparatus Service Association

Shell Global Solutions Inc.

Lee County Electric Coop (LCEC)

General Electric Company (GE)

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Attendance 06/10/2014

Working Group - InterestedBagby, Adam

abagby@lswphx.com LSW Engineers Arizona, Inc. LSW EngineersBasu, Partha partha.p.basu@exxonmobil.com ExxonMobil ExxonMobilBondeur, Michael bondeur@elecon.de Elektro-Consuling Elektro-ConsultingBoyce, Christina c.boyce@ieee.org Mentor Staff, Editor

Elgueta, Cristian cmelguet@gmail.com SG SCM SG SCMGoodman, Mark mark.goodman@ieee.org ConsultantGroves, Randall r.groves@ieee.org

y yDistrict

y yDistrict

Hemmer, Michael michael.hemmer@worleyparsons.com WorleyParsons Group Self-fundedJublee, Sofyanshah sofyanshah@gmail.com

Lagree, James jllagree@hotmail.com

Lord, Jeffrey jeffrey.lord@siemens.com Siemens Industry, Inc. Siemens Industry, Inc.Marchini, Gregory g.marchini@ieee.org Mentor Staff, Editor

Mcconnell, Michael mcmcplaya@gmail.comMurzaku, Edrin edrin_murzaku@ieee.org ENGINEERPerry, Lisa l.perry@ieee.org Admin, Editor,

Raza, Shoukat raza.shoukat@gmail.com Saudi AramcoRempe, Kenneth ken.rempe@siemens.com Siemens Industry, Inc. Siemens Industry, Inc.

Vira, Azim avira@orbisengineering.net Orbis Engineering Orbis Engineering

SponsorRifaat, Rasheek rasheek.rifaat@ieee.org Jacobs Engineering WG 3004 Chair, Observer

Carey Cook ccook@sandc.com S&C TBCC Chair, Observer

GuestsAndrew Burgess andrew.burgess@hvpd.co.uk HVPD

Brant Wilhelm brant.wilhelm@ge.com GE Bently-Nevada

Mark Snyder mark.snyder@ge.com GE Bently-Nevada

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