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1 APPEARANCES OF ATTENDEES:

2 COMMITTEE MEMBERS:

3 CHAIR ASHLEIGH AITKEN

4 DIRECTOR SANDRA CERVANTES

5 COMMUNITY LIAISON THERESA SEARS

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9 CHAIR BARBARA BAGNERIS

10 KATHY KRAMER

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1 Costa Mesa, California, Thursday, June 21, 2018

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6 CHAIR AITKEN: I'm going to call the meeting to order.

7 Let's start, please, with the Pledge of Allegiance.

8 Theresa, would you like to lead us in that today?

9 MS. SEARS: Everybody stand, please.

10 (Pledge of Allegiance recited)

11 CHAIR AITKEN: Thank you very much. I keep losing

12 board members here. All right. Just to give people a,

13 kind of, framework of what we're going to do, unlike our

14 regular Board meetings, I thought today we could just be a

15 lot more collaborative and casual.

16 Obviously, we have public comment on the agenda,

17 which if you would like to speak under public comment,

18 please. It is your right, absolutely. Please do that.

19 But what we're going to do is as we get to each topic, I

20 would like you to feel comfortable to raise your hand,

21 speak if you have questions. I want to do this as a

22 committee of 30, not just a committee of Board members.

23 And if there's something that a staff report

24 raises new questions, then I don't want you to feel that

25 because you didn't mention it in your public comment that


1 you can't follow up.

2 So with that in mind, you know, we are going to

3 just try be as collaborative as possible so everybody

4 feels that they can weigh in as we go through each subject

5 matter.

6 To start, I am going to go through roll call.

7 Summer, if you don't mind.

8 MADAM SECRETARY: Committee Chair, Director Aitken?

9 CHAIR AITKEN: Present.

10 MADAM SECRETARY: Director Tkaczyk?

11 (No response)

12 Director Cervantes?

13 DIRECTOR CERVANTES: Here.

14 MADAM SECRETARY: And for the record, in attendance is

15 Board Chair Bagneris.

16 CHAIR AITKEN: And our Community Liaison,

17 Theresa Sears, is up here with us as well.

18 So with that, if anybody would like to start and

19 do general public comment? Let me -- let me see. I have

20 under the just general, not an agenda item, Dave Soroski,

21 I guess Patty, Reggie. And then everyone else has a

22 specific, I guess, Callie Rutter has just general public

23 comment. If you would like to make those comments.

24 MS. MUNDEKIS: Sure.

25 DIRECTOR AITKEN: Start with Reggie.


1 MS. MUNDEKIS: Hi. Good morning. And thank you for

2 this opportunity to address you this morning. I welcome

3 this meeting. This type of format where we have a small

4 group of interested Board members and members of the

5 public can who dig into issues in depth is something that

6 we need more of.

7 City councils frequently do this in agencies such

8 as Water District, Sanitary District, and even the Orange

9 County Transportation Authority do this on a regular

10 basis. They call them study sessions, where you take

11 something outside of the regular agendized meeting and you

12 spend as much time as you need, digging into it, and

13 picking it apart, and putting it back together, and really

14 understanding what's going on. I really welcome this and

15 I'd like to see this carried on.

16 There's -- everybody is very cautious about the

17 Bagley-Keene Act. The Bagley-Keene Act doesn't say that

18 you don't have to -- it says that you don't have to

19 agendize meetings of two Board members -- Task Force

20 meetings -- but you can agendize all of those Task Force

21 meetings.

22 You can agendize all those Task Force meetings

23 and invite the public to join you. And if you want to

24 meet in a smaller conference outside the large conference

25 room, you can do that. You just have to give public


1 access to that meeting.

2 And I think that going going forward, we need to

3 agendize Task Force meetings because that way the public

4 can see what's going on and we can have more input. And

5 you can even have an agendized meeting with one Board

6 member leading it. And you may want to call that format

7 more of a workshop or public meeting or town hall.

8 So if there's a Board member that wants to get

9 input from the public or deal with an issue in depth, you

10 can have a public meeting. And I really encourage that

11 because there's so many issues here that need to be

12 unpacked and understood and that will create a much better

13 pathway for improved community relations. Thank you.

14 CHAIR AITKEN: Next, I have Patty Stone.

15 MS. STONE: You know, I really -- I put my name in,

16 but I'd like to hear about what we're going to talk about

17 first because I'm kind in the dark about --

18 CHAIR AITKEN: Absolutely. No problem. Just raise

19 your hand.

20 MS. STONE: Okay. Thank you very much.

21 CHAIR AITKEN: Dave Soroski.

22 MR. SOROSKI: My name's Dave Soroski. My horse's name

23 is Ted. I represent ETI. I would like to say, please

24 stay with the winning formula. Too often I have seen

25 where winning formulas have been disturbed by actions like


1 these to become losing formulas.

2 The police are looking for space. If we increase

3 the space that we have currently -- Irvine has them,

4 Newport has them, Orange County has them -- they would be

5 best stationed here.

6 Also, evacuation. I've gone through many

7 evacuations. This is a prime spot. This is a firm spot.

8 Do not remove it. I would like to look at also ETI's

9 involvement in this if we progress down the road and also

10 from what we can offer. I rewrite and speak horse, and I

11 also rewrite and speak police. Allow us to participate in

12 this activity and guide you and continue the winning

13 formula. Thank you.

14 CHAIR AITKEN: Thank you. Last, for general, I have

15 Callie Rutter.

16 MS. RUTTER: Hello. My name is Callie Rutter, and

17 that's spelled C-A-L-L-I-E, R-U-T-T-E-R.

18 The first general item I wanted to address was

19 the language. So when we're using language in the -- the

20 new plans that may be coming up -- that we're sure to use,

21 like, a horse stall is a horse stall, an arena is an

22 arena -- so that we're all speaking the same language.

23 You know, shelves is not necessarily a retail

24 space. A tack room is not a rider lounge. We don't need

25 a $900,000 rider lounge. That's not what that means.


1 Also, livestock versus horses. Livestock can be used to

2 be repurposed.

3 In other words, used for their meat, their hide,

4 whatever. Horses, equine -- you can't do that. They're

5 slaughtered out of the country because we don't eat meat

6 here. So it's by the USDA that that is defined. So I

7 think that's the other part that I wanted to address.

8 And then also please consider making this a

9 historic landmark. I think that's something really

10 important that we address so that we don't go through this

11 again.

12 The other thing that is also not on the agenda

13 that I mentioned last time is addressing the issue I had

14 with the formal investigation into Ms. Kramer's hiring

15 Johnson Company and the amount in which that was 253,000

16 for over two years, which I think is the process and

17 procedure.

18 And then, of course, the member that also serves

19 as Treasurer and Secretary on Labor Board 652. Thank you.

20 CHAIR AITKEN: Thank you. Okay.

21 We're going to start with the first topic and

22 this isn't meant to be exclusive for what we're going to

23 be doing over the next month -- next few months.

24 Just to kind of give everybody a 50,000-foot view

25 of what I think what we're going to try to do and what my


1 goal is is to provided a written report from this

2 Committee to the Board in the fall -- maybe around

3 October -- of what this Committee has heard from the

4 public, what we see as the future of the Equestrian

5 Center, you know, what can we do.

6 And it's going to include things like our

7 immediate needs and fixes that we are going to have to

8 confront right now -- potential future uses and programing

9 that's going to be on the Equestrian Center property,

10 reaffirm what we did at the last Board meeting, which is

11 that we are going to have continuing Equestrian Center

12 uses on the property, which we've discussed at the last

13 Board meeting.

14 And then the real fun one, which is when we have

15 to do a cost analysis. We might have a lot of ideas

16 coming out of this Committee. But in reality, we have to

17 figure out what are those ideas going to cost and under

18 our contract, who's going to be financially responsible

19 for that; what type of grants, what type of partnering,

20 what type of community fund rising can we do to make all

21 of these things possible.

22 And obviously, going forward, if people have

23 something that I left out or something that they think

24 they want to add onto that, you know, but that's the goal.

25 Is to really have a couple of meetings going forward now


1 through October.

2 I am sensitive that some of our Equestrian Center

3 folks are teaching lessons during the mornings, so I

4 intend to keep having meetings during fair time, either

5 before fair when it opens. It doesn't help to some of our

6 equestrians if they're teaching lessons. But even I'm

7 willing to come after fair in the evening, so that people

8 can have access and we can update people on where we're

9 going.

10 And then really forming out some of our community

11 reports. I'm an expert in certain fields, but I'm not an

12 expert in every field. So if there's certain things

13 that -- there's somebody out there that is very good with

14 community programming, is very good with grant writing, is

15 very good with knowledge in that aspect.

16 Obviously, we're going to try to collaboratively

17 put together a report so that when we go in front of the

18 Board in the fall, we have a pretty good cohesive report.

19 Are we all going to agree with each other on

20 everything over the next six months? You guys are

21 optimistic. Probably not, but I would like to at least

22 have the majority of our stakeholders at the Fairgrounds

23 to have some type of buy-in and feel that their voice was

24 heard. Even if you don't get a hundred percent of what

25 you want, we want to make sure that the process is


1 transparent as possible.

2 So with that, going forward, I would like to

3 start with the first item on our agenda which is the

4 review of the State Marshal Annual Report, dated May 31st

5 to identify current safety issues, as well as discussion

6 around deferred maintenance issues related to the

7 Equestrian Center.

8 And if you didn't see it, there were copies of

9 this report online and in the back of the room. So who

10 would like to give that? Is that you Ken or Kathy? Can

11 you just give for the people that may not have had a

12 chance to go though it line by line -- just an overview of

13 what it says and what are our immediate needs.

14 MR. KARNS: Sure. I can certainly tackle that. So we

15 condensed the pages of the Finance Report and a little bit

16 more layman for you to read. And as you can see, most of

17 the items have been attended to -- sorry. And we do have

18 a couple of larger items that require further discussion

19 and I understand with the full Board.

20 But our team and Rick's team have been working

21 diligently to get items done. There's a couple of larger

22 items that are a little lengthier and require further

23 input from outside contractors and getting pricing. Those

24 specifically, the fire alarm system. We're asking for an

25 extension from the fire marshal. Because as you can see,


1 we have to get jobs done and submittals and estimates and

2 just a door system that has to be replaced and then some

3 asphalt.

4 So other than that, everything is pretty much

5 done. I know some tenants are looking at their canopy

6 systems to make sure they're fire rated. If not, they

7 have to come down and be replaced. But other than that,

8 it's getting cleaned up nicely.

9 CHAIR AITKEN: So are these -- the ones that we have

10 not complied with -- for instance, the fire alarm

11 system -- the -- it says the tack rooms. Can you just

12 give me a little bit more information on --

13 MS. KRAMER: Ashleigh, what item are you looking?

14 CHAIR AITKEN: Oh, I'm sorry. Number 2. Oh,

15 complete. I'm sorry. Just on the ones that are not --

16 MR. KARNS: It's really the three.

17 CHAIR AITKEN: -- yet done. So we need to -- we have

18 an end date. Are we going to be coming to the Board next

19 meeting next week to get approval for any additional

20 funding or what is the plan to bring us fully into

21 compliance?

22 CHAIR BAGNERIS: So my question is: This is all part

23 of a contract and this maintenance is to be done for the

24 contract? So I want to make sure we don't forget that.

25 Even though there items being done for expediency sake,


1 they're going to need to be billed to the contract.

2 CHAIR AITKEN: Right. But if we have -- I guess that

3 would be a question that we need to look into. Because if

4 we have fire alarm systems under the contract that were

5 not up to code when the contract started, would that be --

6 who's responsible for that?

7 CHAIR BAGNERIS: So I've had several conversations

8 with legal on this. And my understanding was the property

9 was turned over in good working order, and in the

10 contract, it says that. And then the maintenance was to

11 happen by -- through the contract.

12 So if that's true, if that's something that

13 wasn't up to code, no one knew it or didn't come forward.

14 So now these items have to be, per the contract,

15 maintained. So that's my concern -- is we've been doing

16 all these things, but should we be doing them? Should the

17 contractor be doing them? I want us to be careful so

18 we're not crossing the line on that.

19 CHAIR AITKEN: Okay. I'm assuming, have we had

20 conversations? I mean, Rick's here. So we have

21 conversations between you and Rick as to when and who and

22 how these things are getting done?

23 CHAIR BAGNERIS: So Rick, can you speak to that?

24 Because I don't really know.

25 MR. HANSON: So the biggest thing for us is the fire


1 alarm. I mean, I think that's -- I mean -- it's a

2 dinosaur. If you look in there, there's tubes and

3 stuff -- I mean -- it looks like an antique TV.

4 CHAIR BAGNERIS: Yeah. I agree.

5 MR. HANSON: And so -- I mean -- to me, that's part of

6 the facility. That's part of the infrastructure of the

7 facility. I don't think that should be our

8 responsibility.

9 FEMALE SPEAKER: Did you inherit that?

10 MR. HANSON: We inherited that.

11 CHAIR BAGNERIS: So -- and if that's the case, I would

12 agree with that. So I think that's -- I want to make sure

13 that we're fixing outside of the contract. The contract

14 says it's handed over in good order. But if you look at

15 that alarm system, it looks like it's from 1902.

16 CHAIR AITKEN: So is it a guy with a bell?

17 CHAIR BAGNERIS: So that's one of the things I hope

18 that we can fair it out so we can bring them back to the

19 Board and say, "Okay, Board. We giving staff direction to

20 go fix this right now. These items are part of the

21 contract. We're going to give them back to the person

22 that's supposed to maintain them."

23 That's what I'm hoping is going to come out of

24 this report.

25 MS. KRAMER: Ashleigh, if I may answer your question.


1 Thank you Barbara. We do have an agenda item and next

2 week's Board agenda is an action item.

3 This worksheet will be attached as well as the

4 equestrians under contract and then some supplemental back

5 up information, so the entire Board can have that

6 conversation and give -- because we want clear direction

7 from the staff. What do we do? We're really ready,

8 willing, and able to do that. We want to make sure we

9 have clear direction and the blessings of the Board on

10 these issues. So I think this is a good one to bring back

11 on Thursday to talk about it.

12 CHAIR AITKEN: Yeah. And so we've already talked to

13 Josh. There's already negotiating going on.

14 CHAIR BAGNERIS: He couldn't be here today, but he

15 will be here next week.

16 CHAIR AITKEN: As long as, I think, Josh weighs in and

17 then there's a solution presented --

18 CHAIR BAGNERIS: Right.

19 CHAIR AITKEN: -- about what's already being

20 negotiated so that Rick's not surprised and then we're not

21 hearing after that nobody had been communicating with the

22 operator.

23 CHAIR BAGNERIS: Right. And so that's why I'm glad

24 Rick is here because he can hear all this today and we

25 know we're definitely pull out the alarm system. That's


1 something that we should act on quickly and we'll bring

2 that to the Board next week to take action on it.

3 So you need to look at the rest of these in the

4 same way. So that Rick is here so we can say we've had

5 that conversation.

6 MS. SEARS: May I ask a question about the tack rooms?

7 It says documentation of tack rooms and then following

8 your logic, Barbara, the list of facilities that were

9 given over to the Hansons in good working order. I'm

10 assuming everything was up to code and whatever.

11 So I'm assuming that that includes the two tack

12 rooms for each barn. That would total 18, and then the 14

13 that were also included as well. And that's part of his

14 contract, so that's Exhibit C. So I'm going to assume

15 No. 2, approve tack rooms, covers 32 tack rooms.

16 MR. ELDRIDGE: So what the fire marshal is asking for

17 is the drawings of the facility when we first built it,

18 which was in the 70s. I had given that to him when he

19 came out in May on his first inspection.

20 He's asking for it again. This is actually --

21 he's training Jose, who's asking for it. What they want

22 is they want the drawings that say that the tack rooms are

23 tack rooms on the drawings. What we have right now is

24 some of the tack rooms are turned into offices, which

25 changes their occupancy and their class to a B. So that


1 may come up when they come back to reinspect.

2 MS. SEARS: So Jerry, great. I'm glad you're here.

3 So the 18, you know, they're -- I would assume they're

4 covered because, you know, when you have -- these are back

5 to back shed stalls is what they basically are, and they

6 were built in the 70s as you say. And they all come with

7 tack rooms, so that's, you know, that's pretty standard.

8 The 14 -- and I haven't gone through all of

9 them -- tack rooms or offices -- I'm assuming that because

10 the Fair staff back when in the day, they used to actually

11 manage this facility, so they managed it and I assuming

12 under their oversight, they -- you know -- they oversaw

13 that. And then hand it over to the Hansons, so that was

14 inherited by them. So I'm assuming you have all that

15 paperwork or you can supply that.

16 Now if it's offices, then, you know, I've been in

17 the building business for 25 years, and I know apartments,

18 houses, and I've had plenty of checklists. And generally,

19 what I find is, when you're dealing with a marshall, a

20 fire marshal, or, you know, a committee agency or

21 whatever, I mean, they're -- they always want to work with

22 you.

23 They come with a great attitude. It's a lot of

24 willingness, which is -- and you work through the check

25 list. And some things you can't get done. Like, maybe


1 this fire alarm system as you're talking, it's out of

2 date. We have to get a new one and it may have have to be

3 ordered and then -- whatever.

4 But generally, as -- as -- generally, you can get

5 extensions. So what I'm hoping is that we communicate

6 correctly with the fire marshal in that way and also

7 often, things that they're not quite up to code or there's

8 something that's not quite right, you can do what's called

9 "as built." And "as built" is now you just have to say,

10 "Okay. Maybe we didn't have everything right on three of

11 these, and we have to figure out -- okay. Put together

12 the drawing."

13 And that can be done. And then maybe they'll

14 need to have an electrical upgrade, which I think this

15 whole equestrian facility needs -- electrical upgrades.

16 But I also think probably the whole property does as well.

17 So with that said, is there a way to set up, kind

18 of, ground rules going forward, Ashleigh, of how we, you

19 know, how we put this all in one list and -- so that

20 there's predictability out there? Predictability to the

21 operator. Predictability to staff that's having to do the

22 job and the executive management that has to oversee it.

23 Because you're the ones that, you know, you're

24 setting the tone for this thing. And then mostly, in my

25 mind, predictability for the people out in the Equestrian


1 Center that are running their programs, that are teaching

2 their students on a daily basis.

3 I mean, that's a classroom out there. And I know

4 it's hard for them when they're running a class -- and

5 they're doing their instructions -- to have to worry about

6 something that they don't really understand. And they're,

7 you know, some of them may have extra in these things, but

8 a lot of them, they know their horses. And that's what

9 they're doing, so they're teachers.

10 And we can't -- again, you wouldn't disrupt a

11 class at school in the middle and say, "Hey, you know, the

12 bathroom toilet's overflowing. What you are going to do

13 teacher?" So, any way, maybe predictability is our a way

14 to set up ground rules, I guess.

15 CHAIR AITKEN: Yeah. And that's a good question. I

16 was going to ask -- and I'm glad Jerry's here too --

17 about -- do we get notice when the fire marshal is going

18 to be -- I don't know how often -- is he coming back? Do

19 we know when the next visit is?

20 Because I think it may be -- would be helpful --

21 I think communication's always been a struggle for us --

22 to maybe have somebody either from this committee or a

23 community liaison or maybe we can have designated Eq.

24 Center liaison that is, at least, with you on the tour and

25 is responsible for disseminating information to the


1 equestrians about when the fire marshal's coming.

2 If you and your crew might need to do something

3 on your own, that we can just set up that type of

4 notification. I don't know if we do it through a closed

5 Facebook group? Do we do it just through a list serve

6 that we set up through email? Just so we all know what's

7 going on.

8 MR. ELDRIDGE: Yeah. We can notify you when they come

9 out. They won't come out until I let them know that we're

10 done with the list and they'll come out and check with us

11 to make sure that what we sent them saying, "We're done

12 with that. They don't always come out.

13 So depending on the availability, like, right now

14 they've been in interviews all week -- hiring more people.

15 So it says it's an annual report. Some times it's every

16 two years. Some times it's three. Some times it's every

17 year. So it's just when they're available is when they

18 come out and do their report or their annual inspection.

19 It's one the items that's on the list of

20 priorities. If they're too busy, they will not -- not

21 just our facility, but facilities in general, they'll put

22 off the annual inspections to go and do something in their

23 world that is more important in their priorities.

24 MS. SEARS: Jerry, are they based in the

25 Southern California area or are they Sacramento?


1 MR. ELDRIDGE: I believe they're in El Monte.

2 MS. SEARS: Oh, El Monte. Okay. So they're local,

3 more or less.

4 MR. ELDRIDGE: Pretty close.

5 CHAIR AITKEN: I misunderstood. So when we're asking

6 for the four-month extension, that doesn't mean we're

7 setting a four-month appointment?

8 MR. ELDRIDGE: No. I'm asking them for four months so

9 that we can do the all the investigation, all the design,

10 you know, the tack rooms.

11 So when we go back and get the engineering and

12 have the fire alarm system reassessed and redesigned, we

13 can also put in for a change of lock and is there a

14 conditional use in those drawings with fire suppression

15 system in the tack rooms, which will no longer be probably

16 considered tack rooms, but offices. Because most of them

17 are that I've seen.

18 I know there are tack rooms, but I have not been

19 able to get into all of them because a lot of them are

20 locked. That will just be something that when we put in

21 for our drawings, and like Theresa was saying, that's part

22 of that process.

23 CHAIR AITKEN: Or maybe part of this information thing

24 because it's a two-way street; right? You know, the

25 Equestrian Center wants notice that we're going to be out


1 there, but when we tell them that we're going to be out

2 there, we need everybody to be open and working with you

3 and present. But I think with notice, we could fix that

4 so that you can go in there and you can just do all of

5 them in an hour, maybe.

6 MS. KRAMER: Ashleigh, can I make a suggestion?

7 CHAIR AITKEN: Absolutely. Please.

8 MS. KRAMER: Thank you. What I'd like to do -- and

9 staff will take care of this -- let's get a sign-up sheet,

10 because I know we don't have a comprehensive list of

11 everyone's email addresses, so we'll work with Rick, put a

12 notice up, and we can everyone that's interested.

13 We'll pass a paper around today. We'll get your

14 email. And then as communications come, whatever we need

15 to do -- notices; however, we can absolutely communicate

16 with with the community.

17 CHAIR AITKEN: And can you please make sure that we're

18 all on it.

19 MS. KRAMER: Absolutely.

20 MS. SEARS: We can designate somebody out there. I

21 mean, they -- they have their own way -- they communicate,

22 you know. And so you can have this list and then you

23 could say to this person, "Your job is to go tell all

24 those folks."

25 MS. KRAMER: Theresa, after the meeting, would you --


1 we can work together on that and then that way --

2 Ashleigh, to your point -- everybody -- we got a mechanism

3 to notify everybody. So we'll work on that.

4 MS. SEARS: Yes. And I'm actually willing, Jerry, I'm

5 willing to spend time, and, you know, making sure we get

6 through this list and save Jerry a lot of time because I

7 know you're busy with the Fair, to make sure that

8 things are -- tack rooms are open or whatever -- we figure

9 out what's needed.

10 You just get the list. This is not rocket

11 science. And then find out what we have to do forward.

12 Is it a CUP or however. If it's a class B office.

13 MR. ELDRIDGE: Right. And the architects will help

14 walk us through that. And that's why I asked for four

15 months. We need an architect, an engineer who can draw

16 the plans and do the fire alarm. Then we'll go to Cal

17 Fire, which is four to six weeks. That's a

18 month-and-a-half right there. That four months that I'm

19 asking for.

20 CHAIR BAGNERIS: And everything we're doing, the

21 operator needs to be -- he's the number one before

22 everybody. Before the tenants and all of that, the

23 operator needs to know what's going on.

24 MS. SEARS: Yeah. And Barbara, that's part of having

25 this. Well, it would be like, you know, staff, you know,


1 Fair staff, operator, and the trainer types working

2 together. And I'm happy to, sort of, help them along for

3 a while, not forever, but during this more rough road.

4 But then, I guess, Jerry, my question is: With

5 the fire marshal, is he requiring, you know, if we have an

6 architect -- some of these folks, their family members are

7 architects -- are we able to have them draw it? Or is it

8 something that we --

9 MS. KRAMER: It has to be State. As a State property,

10 we have a process we have to follow with everything that's

11 said under the Department of General Services, they've

12 allocated CFFA. So we absolutely have to work from CFFA.

13 But if CFFA, from my understanding, does have the

14 flexibility. If we have some recommendations of some

15 architects, they might be subject matter experts, so

16 they're willing to do that. But they have to be the

17 vehicle.

18 MS. SEARS: Okay. So if we understand that better, we

19 can really help facilitate it quicker and maybe be a cost

20 saver, maybe.

21 FEMALE SPEAKER: Could I just ask a question about

22 tack rooms versus offices and what kind of, maybe,

23 latitude there is on that definition? Because from what

24 I've seen -- and I've certainly not seen all of them --

25 but there's tack rooms, and in some cases, in the tack


1 rooms, there's a little desk that a trainer uses for

2 lessons schedule or something like that.

3 And certainly nobody is sitting in an office all

4 day long, but they're in and out, and there's a saddle

5 there and there's a little desk there that maybe they sit.

6 So is that why they're calling it an office?

7 MR. ELDRIDGE: Okay. So I'm not a professional on

8 occupancy loads and calculations and the code of

9 assemblies like this and, you know, there's a lot to it.

10 So that's where our architect will come in. He'll assess

11 the unit, the tack room, and say, "This is a tack room.

12 This is an office. This is where we sell the merchandise.

13 This is an office. This is a tack room." He could make

14 those or she could make those determinations.

15 So I wouldn't even want to mix things. Although

16 I'm not going to make a statement on what I think is right

17 or wrong.

18 MS. KRAMER: And to your point about when we're ready

19 to have that point, we'll make sure that whoever owns that

20 space or is in that space can be there. So, again, very

21 collaboratively. You'll have notification. And you can

22 be the voice of what kind of activities happen in that

23 space, sharing it with the fire marshall, or anybody from

24 the architectural community.

25 MS. SEARS: So, Jerry, who dictates, sort of, the


1 standard? Is it the fire marshal versus a tack room,

2 office retail -- is it the fire marshal or is it the

3 architect?

4 MR. ELDRIDGE: Well, the architect will make his

5 determination of what he thinks the usage is, but the fire

6 marshall ultimately has the say on approving the points.

7 CHAIR AITKEN: So we want to make sure that we have an

8 architect that is very familiar with equine spaces.

9 MS. SEARS: Exactly. Exactly.

10 CHAIR AITKEN: Because my concern is -- and it's

11 really kind of doubling down with this fire alarm system

12 issue -- that we have all been out there and we know our

13 trainers have desks, but they also have surge protectors

14 with computers plugged into them.

15 Whereas a traditional tack room, we want to make

16 sure that where it used to be just saddles and what not,

17 if we now have electric in there, we want to make sure

18 that we're up to code and that the right things -- that we

19 have the capacity that if someone's got a desktop and 17

20 phones being charged at the same time -- that we can

21 handle that load.

22 So that might be -- I don't know. That might be

23 another factor that we're -- we need a higher capacity for

24 and electrical load.

25 MS. SEARS: Well, I think a lot has changed since the


1 70s -- electrical needs.

2 DIRECTOR AITKEN: I know I have.

3 MS. SEARS: I mean, there's been -- so -- the -- and

4 that's the entire facility, probably, because there's a

5 greater need. But I also hope that maybe we'll even look

6 into, you know, solar out there. Because the barns are

7 ideal for solar. And you can just, boom, cut your cost, I

8 mean, a lot. So, I mean -- just out there. And that

9 would be -- Ken, that's your expertise, Ken. I would

10 think. I understand that.

11 MR. ELDRIDGE: Theresa, can I make on more comment.

12 So I would assume that we would be talking tack rooms, so

13 I'd ask Fred, who's the chief fire marshall for our areas.

14 I asked him today and he stepped out of his interview and

15 he said, "You cannot use the facility. You cannot use the

16 facility for a B occupancy, which is what an office space

17 would be, unless it is designed, reviewed, approved and

18 constructed as such, encompassing all the fire, law, and

19 safety requirements, per Code Section CCR-T24."

20 So, like I said, so when we do the fire alarm

21 system, that would be something that we'll be asking,

22 "Hey, since we do have the structure here, what does it

23 take to get this in compliance?" The fire, law, safety,

24 as well as the occupancy will be changed.

25 MS. SEARS: So that would be the analysis that we


1 would need to do for the 14 that were converted, not the

2 18 that existed?

3 MR. ELDRIDGE: Whichever ones are converted. I don't

4 know.

5 MS. SEARS: Well, the 18 are the end caps. Those

6 come, you know, office, tack rooms. They come with the

7 Board. I mean, nobody is going to build a 20-stall barn

8 without a tack room office-type-thing. Okay. I have

9 eight stalls and I have an office and I have tack rooms.

10 So you just don't build barns without that because you

11 need the storage. Where are you going to store your

12 stuff? Where are you going to do your stuff?

13 So that's pretty standard with the barn. So the

14 14 -- but we need to verify for sure. And I know the

15 other thing that was of concern is that these tack rooms,

16 at least I, for one, I store my feed. You know, you have

17 feed and you always have rodents. I mean, you're just not

18 going to get away when you deal with hay and things like

19 that.

20 The best way, at least for me, is always been to

21 store in metal trash cans with lids. And so I was told

22 that they got rid of all the metal trash cans with lids.

23 And that's pretty standard for equestrian use. And so I

24 don't know why that happened.

25 CHAIR AITKEN: Who got rid of them?


1 MS. SEARS: I don't know. Rick, maybe can talk about

2 that. But I --

3 MR. HANSON: They threw a bunch of them away.

4 MS. SEARS: Reggie?

5 MS. MUNDEKIS: I put in a request in to the City of

6 Costa Mesa for a copy of any reports from the storm water

7 consultant regarding the Fairgrounds and the Equestrian

8 Center, so we should get those back shortly and I'll share

9 them with you to find out what -- because they were

10 coming -- the -- it's just a regular management function

11 where they come out periodically and they look at how

12 you're managing various issues in water shed situations.

13 So they come out and they look at your best

14 management practices and they make other recommendations

15 as far as how you can better manage to prevent items in

16 waste going into the storm water system, which ultimately

17 flows into the ocean.

18 So I requested to the city to get those

19 letters -- those recommendations and I'll share them with

20 you. If they do come out and say, "Throw away all the

21 metal trash cans." We'll know that.

22 CHAIR BAGNERIS: I think that's a question I have. If

23 they did that, who did they talk to? They talked to the

24 operator and say, "You need to get ride of these

25 containers."


1 MS. SEARS: The jurisdiction to go tell -- who would

2 do that? That's what I'm trying to understand.

3 CHAIR BAGNERIS: But then also the Boarders need to

4 understand they need to go to the operator to make those

5 things -- they don't just take these on to -- there's

6 tenants and then operators. That's where I'm really

7 struggling with this relationship. We're going to have to

8 figure out how to communicate better.

9 MS. SEARS: That's why setting up ground rules and

10 having a communication channel can really help this

11 because it's -- it made no sense to me. And I said, "Wow,

12 if you threw them away, can't I have all of them because I

13 need -- where are they?" You know.

14 MS. MUNDEKIS: As you and I well know, planning issues

15 in the City of Orange, usually, these type of directions,

16 when an agency comes and says, "Oh, please stop doing

17 that." There's a piece of paper that comes with it that

18 has a name and date and agency and the signature as far as

19 who said, "Please stop doing that."

20 So if somebody did tell the Fairgrounds, "Oh,

21 they need to stop using metal waste cans," we need that

22 piece of paper and we need to ask them if they told them

23 to stop using metal waste cans at the Equestrian Center

24 because they're rusting through.

25 What about all the the other metal dumpsters on


1 the property and all of the other pieces of rusting metal?

2 Because that would also create a similar situation. So if

3 we can find that piece of paper giving direction to do

4 that --

5 CHAIR AITKEN: I'm going to have staff look into it

6 and see if they can unearth any communications from the

7 city, specifically on this trash can issue. I see you.

8 And then if we have it, then we can put that as part of

9 the information for our next meeting. I mean, there's

10 really no hold. We can disseminate it to this email group

11 that we're going to create.

12 And then if you could, please, on the same email

13 group share what information you have and we're all in the

14 same page. So Jerry, please.

15 MR. ELDRIDGE: I just wanted to make it clear for this

16 -- records and all that. We, the OC Fair, did not receive

17 anything from the city. I did not he came until yesterday

18 when I met with Rick -- with Kurt.

19 Kurt was all upset that he had to do all this

20 work, and I said, "I don't what you're talking about. I

21 don't know who the city guy is. I don't know anything."

22 So whoever that is, the next time they come out --

23 CHAIR AITKEN: Just for clarity, who's Kurt?

24 MR. ELDRIDGE: Kurt manages.

25 CHAIR AITKEN: Okay.


1 FEMALE SPEAKER: I just have a question for Jerry. So

2 does that mean that the storm water consultant people

3 don't come to you guys on the rest of the property?

4 MR. ELDRIDGE: We have our storm water consultant.

5 That's why --

6 MS. SEARS: So just for clarification, okay, which --

7 and the reason I bring up metal containers because I know

8 for a fact that plastic containers are problematic.

9 Because if you have a rodent and you have feed in there,

10 you're going to have something chewing through it, so 25

11 years of experience.

12 I've had a apartments and houses for years, and I

13 was the owner. I did not allow someone to tell my tenants

14 something. They would come through me and I would

15 disseminate. Of course, unless the electrician was coming

16 out just to fix something and it wasn't their cost.

17 But that's why we need ground rules. Because

18 it's a little bit chaotic and I'm wondering who are these

19 people that are dictating things that may -- maybe there's

20 a better way. Maybe the metal container is fine if you

21 put it on some blocks, you know, some blocks, and then

22 they're fine. We don't -- I just don't know what the

23 issue is.

24 CHAIR AITKEN: Right. We don't know if the storm

25 water person came out and said that metal container or


1 maybe it was rusted through and leaking. We don't know.

2 So --

3 CHAIR BAGNERIS: But still, the communication is

4 important.

5 MS. SEARS: There you go.

6 CHAIR BAGNERIS: If he comes out and talks to the

7 operator -- on-site operator to make that determination,

8 not just go to anybody and say, "Move that."

9 CHAIR AITKEN: Right. And we'll talk to Jerry and

10 Kurt and maybe investigate who Kurt spoke to and then set

11 up --

12 MR. ELDRIDGE: So Kurt is trying to set a meeting

13 up -- trying to set a meeting up next week with this

14 person who came out.

15 CHAIR AITKEN: So someone from the city came out and

16 just told the tenants what do and did not inform the

17 operators or the Fair staff?

18 MR. ELDRIDGE: They didn't inform us -- the Fair

19 staff. So I'm just going to stop there because I don't

20 want to speak for them.

21 MS. SEARS: Jerry, I'm happy to help interface. I'm

22 happy to help and then maybe we just resolve and maybe the

23 worst case is we lost a few trash cans, which we can deal

24 with it and then -- we'll leave it like that, you know. I

25 just don't know.


1 CHAIR AITKEN: Kathy, are we required, as the CEO of

2 the property, if a local or a State or any type of

3 official is on the property for any reason, I would want

4 you to know about it.

5 MS. KRAMER: I don't usually -- I hear it directly

6 from staff because they have relationships with operations

7 and Jerry's been here and then he will let us know. They

8 wouldn't certainly have any requirement to come to my

9 office. They only have on record who they've been working

10 with on the property.

11 CHAIR AITKEN: But if someone at the Fair -- it just

12 seems strange to me that we have people from the city

13 coming on our property and our facility know nothing about

14 it.

15 MS. SEARS: As a courtesy to Jerry. Jerry should

16 know, and then Jerry reports accordingly.

17 CHAIR AITKEN: Someone from his staff to be there and

18 monitor what's going on just for a liability sake. So

19 maybe you could also reach out to the city and find out

20 what --

21 MR. ELDRIDGE: When I get that information.

22 MS. SEARS: Yeah.

23 MS. KRAMER: Let us unpack the issue and get some

24 answers and we'll bring them back.

25 CHAIR AITKEN: So can we put that on the parking lot


1 for maybe an update for our next meeting or next study

2 session?

3 MS. KRAMER: Yeah.

4 CHAIR AITKEN: Yes? I'm sorry.

5 MS. KASULAS: Just about the fire issue --

6 CHAIR AITKEN: Can you -- and I know this is a little

7 casual -- can you state your name just for our reporter.

8 MS. KASULAS: Oh, sure. Lianne Kasulas. About the

9 canopies, I understand they need to be flameproof that's

10 awesome and good idea. A lot of people have inherited

11 them from three people ago, three trainers ago. Fighting

12 the flame is going to be hard. There's some rumors

13 floating around that we could get a fire retardant spray

14 and spray them. But before we do that, just want to make

15 sure that that would be sufficient for the fire marshals.

16 MR. ELDRIDGE: I can ask, yeah.

17 MS. KASULAS: Okay. And we can replace them if we

18 have to.

19 MR. ELDRIDGE: Well, we have material that's approved

20 for putting on plywood and stuff for fire retardant, but I

21 don't know if it's acceptable to the fabric.

22 MS. KASULAS: Yeah. That's just a question.

23 MR. ELDRIDGE: And, also, if you know who you

24 purchased the canopy from, you can ask them.

25 MS. KASULAS: It's basically providing shade.


1 MS. SEARS: Well, and Jerry, there must be a list of

2 standard accepted materials that they approve. So if

3 there's that list, too, then we might be able to -- they

4 may have have to take them out and get new ones.

5 MR. ELDRIDGE: The materials will have a certification

6 sewn onto it and that's what they want to see.

7 MS. SEARS: Well, and often, but it's also a material

8 because I know I'm at the street fair a lot every year,

9 and we have to do the same thing. And everything what we

10 bring into the booth, the same thing. And some things

11 don't have the certificate, but they have -- they give you

12 the list and then you can compare them and the fire

13 marshal says, "Fine."

14 MR. KARNS: If I can, whatever the solution is, if we

15 can spray, I wouldn't. If we get that answer, then I

16 would ask that everyone know that if you're going to

17 spray, then Rick helps you. We're not giving you

18 permission to spray. Let's make sure we're not harming

19 any feed or animals.

20 And then lastly, worst case scenario, we have to

21 figure out who's replacing.

22 CHAIR AITKEN: And I think what's important about that

23 is we have to -- the Equestrian Center tenants need to

24 understand that we have a set of standards that is going

25 to -- everybody is going to have to comply with.


1 Whether it's tarps, whether is access to tack

2 rooms. There is no opt out. And so to the extent and

3 these are, again, as we are going to try to set up ground

4 rules, we're going to need to make sure that the operator

5 is informed and we're all doing -- so that we can check

6 off every barn aisle and everything that's out there and

7 no one is doing anything on their own in the middle of the

8 night and saying, "Yeah, yeah, yeah. We did that."

9 We need to have someone from the Fair staff or

10 from Rick's department there to kind of make sure we're

11 all doing the same thing.

12 CHAIR BAGNERIS: I had no idea what was going on at

13 the Equestrian Center, so this has been really eye-opening

14 for me and really good. I don't even know how many

15 tenants we have on the property and what is the

16 communication from the tenants to the operator. And so

17 this is a great conversation. And I agree with that

18 communication plan. This is all a part of it.

19 MS. SEARS: And Barbara, I think what's really

20 important is to get all parties agreeing that safety

21 issues is number one. I think everybody is number one.

22 No one wants a fire. I think everyone wants to be safe.

23 I think what we need is clear direction and, you

24 know, just being involved in this property since, you

25 know, the late 90s or before. But I think the Equestrian


1 Center has been a stepchild. And you know, we're turning

2 into a real child. And that's -- we've been waiting to

3 have this conversation for about 15 years, so it's a good

4 thing. But safety, I think, it's number one.

5 MR. KARNS: So for clarity on that as well -- I know

6 it's going back to the Board to give staff direction --

7 how is it for the contract? Who's paying? We're not

8 sitting in our hands waiting on that. We are doing the

9 homework. We are getting the contractors to quote stuff

10 so that when the decision's made, we can move forward. So

11 we're not sitting in our hands just waiting for that.

12 CHAIR BAGNERIS: And with 22 days until the Fair?

13 Good.

14 CHAIR AITKEN: Yes?

15 MS. KASULAS: Just as a side note. Of course, we

16 don't have a timeline on any of this, but regarding the

17 shade clothe, there's, like, white horses, grey horses --

18 they can burn. They'll get sun burned.

19 And that's an important kind of -- so we do need

20 that shade cloth within a timely manner so that the horses

21 in the summer time and, you know, here it's going to be

22 really sunny until, like, October. That's something to

23 consider as well because it's not fair.

24 CHAIR AITKEN: No. We're not going to take anything

25 down.


1 MS. KASULAS: I understand that. I'm just talking

2 about --

3 CHAIR AITKEN: We need to find a solution and then

4 make sure that everybody complies with the solution.

5 MS. KASULAS: Right. But there's no lengthy timeline

6 where the horses wouldn't be uncomfortable or --

7 CHAIR BAGNERIS: Has the operator been notified that

8 we have a shade issue?

9 MS. KASULAS: It just came up in the report. The

10 fire --

11 CHAIR AITKEN: They have shade up there now.

12 MS. SEARS: We got to report two days ago, or Monday,

13 I guess, is when we got the report.

14 CHAIR AITKEN: There's shade out there now, Barbara.

15 What they're saying is that the fire marshal doesn't -- is

16 questioning whether the shade that's currently up there is

17 fire retardant. The concern is, if I'm hearing it

18 correctly, is they don't want us to go down, cut all these

19 canopies down, and not replace with anything until we get

20 around.

21 MS. SEARS: And we're working through it.

22 CHAIR BAGNERIS: And we're not going to do that. The

23 operator is going to do that.

24 CHAIR AITKEN: I understand. But that was the

25 concern.


1 MS. SEARS: But don't take anything down, please.


3 FEMALE SPEAKER: I just wanted to make something

4 clear. I want to understand a little bit better, but we

5 have children in our program -- that come in our program

6 all the time, at least 80 kids.

7 But our concern is horses and our children, but I

8 could see all the parents and the children are very

9 worried about taking down the shade. Pretty much since

10 this week has been talking about taking it down because

11 we're still searching for the certificate saying that it's

12 fire proof.

13 Are we supposed to take it down? We're working

14 on taking it down tomorrow, but are we supposed to just

15 take it down and wait until you find a solution or are we

16 waiting up until --

17 CHAIR AITKEN: Who told you to take it down tomorrow?

18 FEMALE SPEAKER: This is the only time we have to take

19 it down over the next couple of weeks.

20 MS. KRAMER: Let Jerry speak to that.

21 MR. ELDRIDGE: So the fire marshal on his report was

22 received on the 1st of June. I gave that out to the

23 tenants.

24 It states that they have 30 days to resolve all

25 issues. If they are not resolved, then I need to write a


1 letter asking for an extension. That's why I got an

2 extension written for the fire safety system. And if we

3 are not having that complete within -- by July 1st, I need

4 to know because I need to add that to the letter that's

5 going to the fire marshal.

6 CHAIR AITKEN: Why don't we -- out of abundance of

7 caution -- do that. Does anyone disagree with that?

8 MS. KRAMER: I think that's the right thing to do.

9 CHAIR BAGNERIS: And Rick knows all about everything

10 that's happening right now on the property.

11 MS. SEARS: He has the list and we all got the list.

12 So I got it, too.


14 FEMALE SPEAKER: I think what she's saying is we're

15 kind of worried about the shade. That also, like, it's

16 getting warm now and all of a sudden we have to unplug all

17 our fans.

18 So we're at a panic mode to think, okay, that the

19 fans were in there. They were cooling the horses on hot

20 days from when the peak sun comes out. Our lesson people,

21 our kids, our parents -- they're under the, you know, the

22 canopies with fans going on them.

23 And then all of a sudden because of the fire

24 marshal, we had to unplug everything. And so now it's,

25 like, okay, when is that going to be fixed to where we


1 have our fans cooling horses again versus losing our shade

2 all of a sudden too.

3 So we're kind of like, we're not sure what you

4 guys want to do, and, you know, we're out there and

5 patience, but it's an issue that we're kind of going like,

6 well, can we trust you as far as fixing these matters

7 without suffering.

8 CHAIR BAGNERIS: And so I'm starting to sound like a

9 broken record. And so you contacted the operator and said

10 we have this concern because the fire marshall said we had

11 to take these fans down. You contacted the operator and

12 he knows and he's giving you some directions as to what

13 should happen, not the Fairgrounds.

14 MS. SEARS: Well, Barbara, here's the issue: The

15 greater issue is -- at least when I look at this fire

16 report -- I think the thing that jumps out at me the most,

17 almost everything is correctable. I mean, you have the

18 fire alarm, obviously, and the tack rooms.

19 It's the electrical upgrades. Okay. Those are

20 upgrades that are -- that's requiring permits. That's

21 requiring experts. That's not some -- we can't -- they

22 may do with what was back in the 70s. They may do. So

23 now we have to make that determination.

24 CHAIR AITKEN: What is deferred maintenance and what

25 is the operator's responsibilities? I mean, this is


1 something that I'm assuming is part of -- and that's why I

2 was going to look at Jerry for just a moment and say,

3 "Tell me more about these fans."

4 MR. ELDRIDGE: So the fans are the only thing that can

5 be plugged into an outlet is your appliance. So what we

6 asked the -- well, the fire marshal is asking us to do is

7 unplug the fans, not remove them. None of them, that I

8 know, have been removed. So when you want to use the fan,

9 you plug it in. When you're done, you unplug it. It's

10 not a fixed appliance as a refrigerator that needs that

11 constant power.

12 MR. KARNS: And long-term solution is to have them

13 hardwired. So if it's not an -- it's a matter of

14 connecting them permanent versus plugging and unplugging.

15 That will require an electrician. So in the interim,

16 there's that immediate solution. And then long-term,

17 who's getting an electrician?

18 MR. ELDRIDGE: I don't think that the electrical -- if

19 your usage is the same from the 70s, which is barns and

20 tack rooms, we haven't built anything that isn't -- that

21 is requiring more power. So what the usage is or the

22 upgrade is the hardwiring itself that you want to plug it

23 on a switch. That turns everything around.

24 MS. SEARS: So are you saying, Ken, that you unplug

25 them and when they want to use them during the day --


1 because you're not going to keep your fans on at night --

2 they can plug them in?

3 MR. KARNS: Right. And that is just a real interim

4 solution to satisfy the fire marshal. Long-term;

5 hardwired, on a switch, and who's doing it? Who's paying

6 for it?

7 MS. SEARS: Got it. Got it.

8 CHAIR AITKEN: Is that going to be part of our

9 discussion?

10 MR. KARNS: I think it should be all encompassing. If

11 we're going to jump in, we jump in and let's go. And if

12 we're not, then Rick needs to know.

13 MS. SEARS: So, Ken, it's not the load?

14 MR. KARNS: It's not the load.

15 MS. SEARS: Got it. Okay. I didn't understand.

16 MR. KARNS: You can plug your refrigerator. When a

17 fan becomes part of the structure of the building, part of

18 the building needs to be hardwired.

19 CHAIR AITKEN: Reggie?

20 MS. MUNDEKIS: Two things: The entire facility needs

21 to meet power demands because power demands have increased

22 substantially since the 70s. Because back in the 70s, for

23 example, everyone didn't carry a laptop, a phone, and a

24 tablet with them at all times.

25 For example of that, you have to reach any place


1 in the room with a four length -- four foot length of

2 outlet cord, which in some rooms, would double the number

3 of outlets in the room.

4 So the Equestrian Center is simply symptomatic of

5 the condition of the rest of the property. As an example

6 of the lack of power in the property, Cirque du Soleil,

7 when they came in and there was a big deal made about the

8 10-year contract with Cirque du Soleil, they wanted to

9 plug into utility power instead of using generators

10 because Cirque du Soleil has raised a concern about the

11 environment. And generators run on gasoline or diesel

12 fuel, and they want to reduce greenhouse gases. And they

13 were told that they couldn't plug into utility power.

14 We need to look at upgrading the power system of

15 the entire Fairgrounds because the issues with use of

16 extension cords and plug splitters and surge suppressors

17 is everywhere on the property. And we really need to look

18 at that. Maybe that's something that we need to unpack in

19 a buildings and maintenance committee meeting similar to

20 this.

21 I would also like to ask that we have a similar

22 meeting regarding Spectra. Because in the fire marshal

23 report and in the Fair Services Authority Report, there's

24 16 facilities, which are managed by Spectra, which have

25 identified as having problems. There are eight problems,


1 are shared -- who are both Spectra and the Equestrian

2 Center -- have the identical problem.

3 And of those 16 facilities managed by Spectra

4 that have problems identified by the fire marshal and by

5 the California Fair Services Authority, six of those

6 buildings are on their second notice to get those problems

7 resolved.

8 CHAIR AITKEN: I don't doubt you, but we're going to

9 need to put that on the parking lot because it doesn't

10 affect what we're talking about today.

11 MS. MUNDEKIS: I know that. I'm just bringing it up

12 so we know we're putting it in the parking lot and we can

13 figure out how we're going to unpack that later because

14 that has to be discussed because there's also contractual

15 issues with Spectra that need to be discussed as far as

16 their meeting contract.

17 CHAIR AITKEN: Yeah. And I don't disagree with you.

18 I'm just saying let's just focus what we have.

19 MS. SEARS: Is solar a good thing to think about? Is

20 that a good thing?

21 MR. KARNS: Solar is a great thing long-term. It's a

22 big subject. It starts with structural and then moves

23 into how you -- how you utilize it. Whether you sell your

24 power, use your power, any way. It's a fun, exciting,

25 project to take. It takes a long time, but --


1 MS. SEARS: So I guess the question is: Is the

2 Equestrian Center a candidate to maybe look at solar?

3 MR. KARNS: Everything's a candidate to look at.

4 First thing to look at is structure and load.

5 FEMALE SPEAKER: They do have it at the Del Mar

6 Fairgrounds.

7 CHAIR AITKEN: Okay. Does anyone have any more

8 comments just on No. 6 before we move to utilization,

9 integration, and community givebacks?

10 (No response)

11 Okay. So this will probably be the --

12 MS. SEARS: We have a big ol' check list for six.

13 CHAIR AITKEN: Yeah. But I think this is kind of

14 going to be where everyone -- for the 30 people in here --

15 we may have 30 different ideas.

16 So, you know, I'm going to -- what I think what

17 we want to do is really talk about what do we want the

18 Fairgrounds to look like. Is integration possible and is

19 it something that would work for the property, and then

20 how do we answer the questions about community give backs.

21 And something I know we've spit balled around a

22 lot is when we talk about the future of the property and

23 potential integration of the property. Who is the

24 stakeholder to really weigh in on these ideas, and how

25 much weight do we give -- to give everybody.


1 Obviously, I think the community and those that

2 are users of the property are an important stakeholder,

3 the Board, and I think their vision for the greater

4 property is going to be an important stakeholder. And

5 that's going to be -- that's going to be implemented by

6 the staff and the people that are here to carry out

7 whatever the final Board decision is.

8 So with that in mind, you know, I think what

9 we're going to have to figure out at the end of this

10 process is how -- what do we want it to look like now that

11 we have affirmation that it's going to stay and how much

12 integration is even possible, and then what are we going

13 to require back from the operator and from the tenants as

14 we go forward.

15 Because there's been a call for a lot of

16 investment from the Board, but that's going to then come

17 -- going to be need to match with more involvement from

18 the community. They're going to answer the narrative that

19 it's not -- it isn't its own separate thing and it's not

20 involved in the community.

21 So I know we have some of the Fair Board -- I'm

22 sorry -- some of the tenants out there have already

23 started doing some research out at the equestrian-related

24 community programs, have pulled together a lot of ideas

25 and different things that are going forward.


1 I would like someone that's going to be more

2 knowledgeable than me that is a tenant operating at the

3 Equestrian Center to maybe report back at our next meeting

4 about where we are with these. We have some programs that

5 are going on now that I reported on at the last Board

6 meeting, but if we're going to start talking about, either

7 expansion, integration, we're going to need to have some

8 more innovative programs -- new programs, someone that's

9 familiar with potential grants that could fund some of

10 these things.

11 So I would like to have someone take ownership of

12 that aspect and open it up to a broader discussion about

13 what we want it to look like and how we can integrate it

14 with the rest of the property during fair time.

15 MS. SEARS: So, Ashleigh, may I just weigh in. You

16 know, we could jump to that, but I think -- I think, in

17 knowing a lot of the equestrian centers throughout this

18 whole county and the public ones because this is a public

19 facility -- and what we -- we want to make this the model

20 of, like, okay.

21 This is, like, there's a lot that can happen

22 here. Where's my friend Barbara? Because I want her to

23 hear this. The only way you can have programs and a lot

24 of give back is without having the horses here, we're not

25 going -- there's nothing to do. Okay.


1 It's like in my community, I mean, people say,

2 "Oh, let's get an arena. Let's have trails and whatever."

3 You know, a really smart person told me the only way that

4 we're going to have a vibrant equestrian community is we

5 have to have to have horses. Without horses -- you can

6 have an arena, but there won't be any horses in them.

7 So horses. Let's just start there. But the

8 model that we have, the existing model, I think it's

9 important to acknowledge that -- well, first of all, we

10 all know that the equestrian facility was built about 40

11 years ago by the vision of a board that wanted to have a

12 vibrant equestrian facility here, and that was a big

13 thing; horses have always been here.

14 And then we have this turbulent period from about

15 2000 on to 2008, and we know that 10-year history of just

16 trying to get rid of the whole place, not just paving over

17 the Equestrian Center, but losing half of the facility.

18 And I remember when they took down those last four barns.

19 That was that was really bad.

20 But we're out of that period now, which is fine.

21 And I am very grateful to the fact that the Hansons

22 were -- the operator that stepped in -- specifically, Ron,

23 to hold the line on this equestrian facility and continue

24 to manage it day-to-day when there were at times hardly

25 any horses there, and making the payments and keeping that


1 thing going.

2 So they have a proven track record of operating.

3 That's what they do. They're great operators. They know

4 the industry and they know what's required -- footings,

5 and you name it. They have a long history.

6 What they don't have is they don't have a history

7 of really working on these programs and the non-profit

8 side. And the trainers have been -- they've been very

9 resourceful. And having all these different programs and

10 whatever -- they haven't formalized them, you know, in

11 maybe the manner we would like them to see but I know

12 they're doing them on a regular basis. So they are doing

13 the give back and what have you.

14 So I think we're going to have to change the

15 business model a bit. We still need someone to operate

16 the place and make sure the horses are fed and the bedding

17 is clean and what have you. And I think that's

18 absolutely, positively -- I hope you heard everything I

19 said so far, Barbara.

20 CHAIR AITKEN: She'll read the transcript later.

21 MS. SEARS: I'm talking about the model. And I think.

22 We're going to have to do a slight -- just a bit of a

23 change. I think -- so you keep the operations with

24 someone that does it, and you define it, and, you know,

25 you make sure that we have some safeguards in there as far


1 as, you know, the rental rates there, so there's

2 predictability for people that are using this public

3 facility.

4 I mean, that all plays into this. And I think

5 there's ways of doing that. That's a longer discussion.

6 But the other thing is having someone that handles and

7 coordinates the program, like a program manager. The

8 person -- and I don't know how this looks. So this is

9 just throwing it out there. But having a program manager

10 that works through all the different programs that

11 collaborates, and coordinates, and what have you.

12 That person is also maybe someone that goes and

13 looks for grant funding. Looks for how do we add more?

14 How do we bring this posse group in? What can they offer?

15 What would the county -- what would the county contribute?

16 Those are little details, but when you take it, you add

17 all -- you add those resources up. You really get, like,

18 a whole system of programs that can serve so many.

19 But you need to have that person because I don't

20 think we can lay it out on the Hansons because that's not

21 what they do. They do operations. That's what they're

22 good at. They can maintain. They can keep the place

23 running. I'm putting out an idea. We need to have

24 someone to coordinate that, and then also coordinate it

25 with the whole property.


1 Integrate it with the veterans. When we have

2 Veteran's Day, there should be horses at the Heroes Hall.

3 I mean, come on.

4 CHAIR AITKEN: Well, do you envision that being a new

5 staff position that we're trying to hire through the State

6 that's doing grant writing, that is doing -- kind of

7 overseeing what would potentially then be Fairground

8 ownership of horses?

9 MS. SEARS: No. I don't think -- first of all, I

10 don't think the Fairgrounds should own horses. I think

11 that is super problematic. I think you're better off

12 figuring out how -- you already have people taking care of

13 horses. I don't want to create a level of frustration.

14 Having a horse is not an easy task. And having a

15 safe hoarse is the same. But it's somebody -- and I don't

16 know who it is. It's a discussion. It's something to

17 talk about.

18 CHAIR BAGNERIS: Yeah. And it's something that we've

19 been talking about because when we're getting ready to

20 have our budget review, they're going to presenting

21 programs and ideas to utilize equine therapy and those

22 kinds of things.

23 I really, really love community programs. And

24 what a lot of people don't understand is, that means we

25 have to budget for it and pay for it. It's free to the


1 public, but it's paid for by this organization. So I'm

2 excited about that. We already have a lot of that

3 program. And if you don't -- that's what I want. I want

4 to add.

5 But, of course, we'll do a budget process. Once

6 that budget is approved, we can moved forward with those

7 activities. We'll know how many people we need to hire

8 for the staffing. Now, I'm not opposed to owning horses

9 and I'll tell you why. Because the horses, from what I

10 understand, they belong to people. And if you're out

11 there teaching lessons and we have an equine program and

12 horses aren't available for us to have the program, we may

13 have to buy horses. And I don't have a problem with that.

14 We take care of cows, chickens, pigs, all kinds

15 of animals. So to me, they can always be available. When

16 we do have a Heroes Hall program and we would like to have

17 horses, we can go grab our horses and bring them on site.

18 So I don't have a problem with us owning horses.

19 But all of that has to be a part of the budgeting process

20 as we move forward. But this is music to my ears when you

21 talk about expanding community access. It's free to the

22 public, but it's being paid for. If we have to hire some

23 of the trainers to be part of the program, they're already

24 available. So it's a win-win for me and for everybody.

25 MS. SEARS: It's a sorting out of the model, Barbara.


1 And I don't know the exact answer. I mean, we may have --

2 we may say to -- and I know the mounted unit throughout

3 the county -- the different policing agencies -- they have

4 mounted units. I'm very familiar with them because I have

5 friends on the mounted units.

6 A lot of them have difficulty because they have

7 no place to really train, and their horses are all over

8 the place. We may have have a barn of just mounted unit

9 horses. And often, they would care for them. Often, they

10 want something for their horse to go do. You don't know.

11 CHAIR AITKEN: Okay. To me, I'm about 50,000 --

12 starting at the 50,000 foot level; right? Which is what

13 do we, on a grand scale, want? Sounds like we're all

14 talking about expansion because, you know, my personal

15 goal and what I would really like is to see integration

16 from the Equestrian Center now to that action sports arena

17 so that's it's used 12 months out of the year.

18 Now, there's a lot of things in between that,

19 which I know with the Master Site plan there's been

20 discussion about moving some of that, relocating things to

21 different parts of the property. So if we do all of these

22 things, I love the law enforcement aspect of it. And I

23 love growing the community activity footprint, but then we

24 need to buy in and have commitment that we got to put

25 these horses somewhere.


1 So that means we're going to then be building

2 more barns, and we're going to have to be able to justify

3 the expense of where are we going to be adding all these

4 barns, and that means we're going to need a commitment

5 from these groups to bring their horses there. Because

6 the last thing we want to do is expand and build a bunch

7 of barns and then they're empty.

8 CHAIR BAGNERIS: Or we start having horse shows.

9 CHAIR AITKEN: So we need to really start talking

10 about everything in between the action sports arena and

11 the Eq. Center, and that's what we're going to need, I

12 guess, staff to really kind of talk about right now.

13 What are we talking about moving? What are we

14 talking about -- where could we potentially put things?

15 What's in there now and where can that go? Do we have

16 that conceptually built into this concept area that we're

17 trying to build. Because it sounds like we're all --

18 yeah. But there's things there now.

19 MS. SEARS: No, but there things there before. I can

20 address this. First of all, I could tell you the mounted

21 units used to patrol always this property for years during

22 the Fair. I mean it was -- it was just -- the amount of

23 units show up, whatever.

24 So what happened on this property over 15 years

25 is it was just a hodgepodge of no planning; no planning.


1 And they just took out barns and just added stuff and no

2 one knew, but this is what it used to look like when it

3 was a vibrant period of time. And you have this already.

4 And I think nobody is going to know it better

5 than horse people. Horse people understand and there is

6 a -- if you look -- everyday, you can't look at a

7 newspaper or see an add on TV and there's not a horse.

8 And just everywhere you go, there's no horse. And I'm

9 just, like, whoa. That's pretty amazing.

10 So I think we have a -- there's an interest in

11 horses and in ownership. I know that's in my community

12 for sure. So I think to have that here is, you know,

13 we're just -- we're just restoring, basically, a period of

14 what was, you know.

15 MS. BEAVER: Theresa, now is a good time to --

16 MS. SEARS: Yeah.

17 MS. BEAVER: I just have a couple of these. This is a

18 work in process. If I can share these for now.

19 CHAIR AITKEN: Thank you.

20 MS. BEAVER: It's some pictures of the -- historical

21 pictures of the Equestrian Center. Some now, some that

22 were -- some of these show the horse shows that used to

23 be. So it used to be the Orange County Horse Show

24 Association -- had their shows here.

25 This is a picture of what it looks like now, and


1 the page just before that is a picture that was actually

2 my horse in 1985, and you can see the parking lot. So

3 it's right across from the parking lot and this is what

4 you see now, which is a bunch of storage and stuff there.

5 So any way, you just see some pictures. So it's

6 something that we're working on and in terms of a book.

7 So this is like a draft at this point.

8 MS. SEARS: Do you want to say who you are?

9 MS. BEAVER: Oh, sorry. I'm Carolyn Beaver. When all

10 this discussion started going, I just got involved as an

11 interested party and we've had a lot of discussion about

12 what can be done in terms of therapy programs and that.

13 And there are a number of programs that are

14 currently, but different trainers do different things.

15 And so Theresa's point -- one the things that we've thrown

16 out, there could be a -- let's say -- 501(c)(3) created --

17 organization -- created.

18 That would be kind of an umbrella organization

19 that then that organization is going to have a program

20 director that would do the type of things that Theresa was

21 talking about and really coordinate with all of the

22 trainers, and to use in essence, kind of, contract with

23 the different trainers.

24 And maybe at some point hire somebody else to

25 have another program. And if you think about -- if you


1 really have a specific program for PTSD for veterans, for

2 example, with PTSD, you may not want that program to be

3 right where there's a lot of little girls. Or if you have

4 a program that's serving some sort of an anger management

5 or people that have just been released from prison or that

6 sort of thing.

7 We have to think about all of the users; right?

8 So there's things --

9 CHAIR AITKEN: Maybe that's the dedicated ring.

10 MS. BEAVER: Exactly. So maybe that's the dedicated

11 right. And the other this is -- some of you probably

12 heard before that many of us would really like to have a

13 covered arena because we all know that we have weeks that

14 we can't ride at all because the arena, you know, when it

15 rains and we can't ride.

16 And having a covered arena is something that's

17 important so that we do still have a place to ride. But

18 there's a lot that we can do and working together --

19 that's something --

20 CHAIR AITKEN: And I think that will be happening -- I

21 know we went through this very vibrant discussion with

22 Heroes Hall. So we've been down this road before.

23 There's a model there. There's been concerns with how

24 much we should be doing, so I think it's something that we

25 can look at and address -- what are the different


1 frameworks that are available?

2 I know in some of the material that I was given

3 even about the Compton Junior Posse, I believe that that's

4 what they do. What we have right now is trainers who's

5 primary functions is running our own barns, trying to --

6 at the same time do something. And that may not be a

7 long-lasting model.

8 The second question I want the equestrians to

9 look into and get back is, there are 501(c)(3)s. Lisa is

10 not here, but I mean, Lisa, I believe, doesn't -- she

11 might already have a 501(c)(3).

12 MS. SEARS: She works through a 501(c)(3).

13 CHAIR AITKEN: Okay. And if there's something already

14 there, maybe we can expand. I don't know what our

15 legal -- expanding that so that we don't have to duplicate

16 resources. I do agree, at some point, we might want to

17 not have 15 different 501(c)(3)s down there. At that

18 point, it might make sense to bring it all in-house.

19 I know everyone has their hands up. I'm not

20 ignoring you. But that's going to be information -- maybe

21 at the next meeting, we can have a portion of the agenda

22 just focussed on 501(c)(3)s and a potential foundation

23 with that.

24 CHAIR BAGNERIS: Well, see -- I'm for it. I want this

25 property to have an overarching foundation so Heroes Hall


1 could use it, Centennial Farm can use it, our community

2 programs, which is going to include whatever equine looks

3 like, and which we hire somebody to go out and do grant

4 writing; we would be looking out for the entire property.

5 And so this is, like, right in line with the

6 thinking we haven't been able to bring it to the Board

7 yet, but we're talking to the foundations that are on site

8 right now to try to see if we can get something done, so

9 excited about. What I don't want us to forget -- and we

10 talk about land use -- over 80 percent of the revenue for

11 this property comes from the Fair.

12 There has to be an element that includes how we

13 expand the use for the Fair without hurting the Equestrian

14 Center. And I don't want us to forget that because that

15 is so, so important. We need back-of-the-house space. We

16 heard that. We heard that. We heard that. So we can't

17 ignore it. But what is the answer?

18 Do we go find property somewhere off-campus to

19 take care of that need where we can have more land space

20 for the Equestrian Center? I don't know what the answer

21 is. But I'm hoping in the discussions -- that's part of

22 the conversation that we'll have -- make sure we put it

23 all out on the table. But this time, let's be done with

24 it.

25 CHAIR AITKEN: I'm going to take comments and then


1 what I would like, I'm just going to warn Ken that I would

2 like him to talk about -- because a lot of these

3 conversations, we need -- are really going to be

4 determinant of what is there? What can we move? Where

5 can we put it?

6 So I'm going to circle back in a couple minutes

7 so you can just give an overview of what's there and what

8 potentially -- what flexibility do we have to move that to

9 different places. So I'll start with the back and I'll do

10 a big counter-clockwise circle.

11 MS. SEARS: Say your name.

12 MS. BROCK: Molly. Molly Brock.

13 MS. SEARS: Okay.

14 MS. BROCK: I'm a trainer. I like what you were

15 saying a couple minutes ago about let's get up on the top

16 and look at the big picture of what we want overall

17 because I think it's -- the programs are essential.

18 More obviously, utilization of space for these

19 programs, you know, where are these things going to go?

20 Within all that, we have to understand and this is super

21 important, I think this is one of the things that a lot of

22 are sort of going, "Oh, my God. How is it going to look?"

23 Because horses -- our horses have adapted to this

24 environment for the most part, but we're right along the

25 freeway. And I know they just took out some hedges along


1 the side there along Newport Boulevard, and it is loud in

2 that. It is bang, bang, bang. Horses are freaking out

3 and people are falling. I had one lady break her thumb;

4 she doesn't want to ride anymore. It's a bummer.

5 But any way, and that's just riding. But if you

6 look at where -- just looking at the map every there -- if

7 you look at where we are, we're not going to complain the

8 entire time, but if we're going to expand and make it

9 better, let's talk about the things that happened right

10 next to our facility.

11 For instance -- and it's gotten better the last

12 few weeks -- I made a little comment that got into the

13 Orange County Register. They did an article right after

14 the vote that passed to keep us here -- about the fact

15 that right on the back side of the fence next to that back

16 arena, they had these giant -- and I don't know who's

17 decision it was -- but they had these giant big dumpsters.

18 And they had big heavy duty equipment taking huge tractor

19 loads of heavy rock and --

20 CHAIR AITKEN: Is that back here?

21 FEMALE SPEAKER: No. Right there. Right next to the

22 arena.

23 MS. BROCK: So the tractors were taking these huge

24 loads and dumping. And I have video of everybody in the

25 arena was filing out, like, "Bye. Can't ride." Can't


1 ride. So all day long, this will be going on. Horses

2 will be freaking out. Horses will be spooking and

3 running. Seasoned older horses, you know, it's

4 terrifying.

5 So I think it's important that if we're going to

6 be here at all to make sure that we understand that there

7 might have to be -- and I understand there's a limited --

8 CHAIR AITKEN: Like a sphere of safety.

9 MS. BROCK: We don't people to just randomly fall off

10 and break their neck. We want to ride because it's safe.

11 Riding can be dangerous; right? We all know that.

12 Everybody is on top of it.

13 So let's try to do the best we can and

14 understand, like, putting a dumpster right next to the

15 fence, right next to a horse arena where little kids are

16 learning how to ride, it's not smart.

17 CHAIR AITKEN: And Theresa brought up a good point,

18 too. It's also about notice. So if we're going to be

19 moving -- dumpsters, I know there's a lot of storage

20 containers there. Just doing it during the -- maybe --

21 because they have designated times -- at least they did

22 when I was there -- let us know. They have designated

23 watering times when no one is in there anyway.

24 MS. BROCK: We're all a team. We want to make this

25 place better. Obviously, you know that. We fought for


1 that, but we want to know that the Fair Board and the

2 executives want to make it good for us, too. It doesn't

3 have to be -- we all want to make it better.

4 CHAIR AITKEN: Is there anyone -- there was some

5 comments. Callie and then in the back. I know you've

6 been waiting very patiently.

7 MS. KASULAS: I did a -- Lianne Kasulas -- I did an

8 overview, which I was -- I just went and I did a quick

9 survey of what's going on in other parts, other

10 facilities, other programs -- Huntington Beach, other

11 stables around. It's not a complete -- an entire list,

12 but I did make out copies for everybody to give people

13 ideas about their operating budgets.

14 Myself, my background, I am a -- I run a

15 scholarship program for first generation kids from South

16 and East L.A. And when we started it, we were, like, it's

17 a little overwhelming. It's, like, we need to find out

18 what is the good motto.

19 So I think whether we invite these people to come

20 and expand their programs to this facility or we use them

21 because they've already done it. They've already made all

22 the mistakes. They've already have their successes. They

23 know what works and what doesn't -- talk to these people.

24 Maybe Compton Junior Posse wants to have an

25 outreach branch here. Maybe The Shea Center wants to come


1 and bring some programing here, too. Because they all

2 want to do -- they all know the benefits. So maybe they

3 also want to expand. So here's just a quick overview. I

4 won't read it to you.

5 CHAIR AITKEN: Can you send this to me in electronic

6 form so that when we put together this list serve, we can

7 post it. I think with the photos, you have them

8 digitally. Just email them to me and copy Kathy or Ken.

9 That way we're all dealing with the same.

10 MS. KASULAS: And I think there's just so many

11 opportunities and it's really exciting to involve the

12 community and to bring all the people together. It's a

13 very exciting time. What I would like that coming from

14 somebody who runs a program, there's two things:

15 It would need to be some expansion, like, we're

16 talking about some extra spaces. Plus, also, a longer

17 term commitment. The Shea Center has quite a big

18 endowment. But if they're going to come in here and

19 invest and set up their program and set up what they want,

20 they're going to want some assurance that by the time the

21 next Board comes around or the next election cycle, that

22 there's going to be some permanent seed.

23 So whether that's a written agreement or verbal

24 agreement -- something that just says, if we want to

25 attract people to come, they have to go to their donors


1 and say, "Okay. We want to have this program." They're

2 going to be like, "Well, I've heard of that Equestrian

3 Center is closing down. Whey would I want to give money

4 to that."

5 CHAIR AITKEN: That's a good valid concern. Callie?

6 And then Barbara had a comment.

7 MS. RUTTER: First, I wanted to just -- Barbara, you

8 had said something about keeping the back-of-the-house and

9 where we're located, it is loud enough. Like Molly said,

10 right next to the 55. So here for me to take a lesson in

11 the back arena, it is really loud. And so when my

12 instructor is, you know, screaming at me or whatever, it's

13 loud enough.

14 And I think to move, to find another place to put

15 the back-of-the-house is a great idea that you had.

16 Whether it's to have it on a separate property or move to

17 the back-of-the-house, but that would also be moving --

18 Arlington Drive looks so beautiful -- you would have to

19 make those 18-wheelers or whatever -- it is with those

20 huge -- you have to rip that up.

21 There's no way they'll be able to make that turn

22 to make it to the back-of-the-house. That's my immediate

23 concern with that and safety.

24 MS. SEARS: That happens -- that's a whole discussion

25 that's going to be like another group of people working.


1 FEMALE SPEAKER: So I just wanted to kind of balance

2 off of Theresa and Ashleigh and your idea about

3 incorporating Heroes Hall, but the House just passed a

4 grant for $5 million for vets and equine therapy; not my

5 house.

6 MS. SEARS: Are you saying Congress?

7 FEMALE SPEAKER: Yes.

8 MS. SEARS: They're giving us the money? No.

9 FEMALE SPEAKER: So I'm super excited to incorporate

10 that into Heroes Hall. Also, I've noticed that the police

11 bike guys, they do their training there, too. They use

12 their motorcycles to do that, and then the mounted police.

13 Wouldn't that be great and then there's also --

14 so the PTSD training "When the War Comes Home" is a great

15 video. I don't know if you guys have seen it before, but

16 it's called "When the War Comes Home" and it's all about

17 equine therapy and different ways of approaching that.

18 There's also another one that the U.S. Department

19 of Veteran's affairs put out on equine therapy. It's

20 called "Military Vets with PTSD." They're both terrific.

21 But maybe that will be a great way to do that and then to

22 incorporate some of the Fair into that for people that are

23 wanting to go into public service and do those things, or

24 incorporate the Fair by doing expositions, like, our

25 non-profit OC Vaulting.


1 I went and watched one of their sessions. These

2 girls are -- I mean, they run, jump, tumble and they stand

3 on these horses. I'm supposed to go try it -- grandma.

4 CHAIR AITKEN: I think in our next meeting, I think I

5 really want delve down just specifically on the 501(c)(3).

6 There's a lot of ideas, but we have to figure out what's

7 feasible, who's interested. I don't know if we even had a

8 change to contact all these people, but that would be

9 really helpful. Maybe there's no interest. Maybe there's

10 zero interest. We need to all kind of take a little task,

11 reach out, and bring it back.

12 CHAIR BAGNERIS: You know, I'm older now. I have to

13 think what I was going say. Oh, again, this communication

14 piece -- because I'm going to have to run -- communication

15 piece is so important. We talked about it when that fence

16 went up, and how everybody was up in arms, but the

17 operator knew about it. It just wasn't communicated out

18 to everybody.

19 So I think those kinds of things, we're going to

20 have to solve that and solve that communication thing.

21 Tenants talking to the operator, operator and our role

22 more so than we've had in the past so that we make sure we

23 have to coordinate on these activities.

24 This is a great facility and the horses have been

25 here for a long time -- I get that. But we need to make


1 sure that we're expanding, integrating -- all of those

2 things -- and this Committee is going to drive us there.

3 And when you bring your report back to us, I'm looking

4 forward to great things, new things, and exciting things.

5 CHAIR AITKEN: And the communication piece is the

6 first thing that we need to fix. Because it's not about

7 -- it's not that Rick didn't tell the equines -- I didn't

8 know that. So it's both communication up and

9 communication down, and communication to people that

10 Theresa -- that doesn't maybe have a horse on the

11 community and so it wouldn't be subject to -- Rick has not

12 obligation to notify Theresa if something is going on.

13 So whether it's a closed Facebook page or a list

14 serve, email group, or whatever it is, we'll figure out.

15 Throw out some ideas. Figure out how we can do it because

16 at the end of the day, staff and the Hansons -- the Irish

17 talk with their hands -- at the end of the day, we need to

18 make sure that everybody is informed and so Ken is not

19 spending two hours of every day calling me, calling her,

20 calling everybody. We don't have time to do that.

21 So we need to make it as easy for staff as

22 possible to get out the information and I am less

23 concerned about whether under a contract I'm technically

24 entitled to that information. I think we're beyond that.

25 CHAIR BAGNERIS: And I don't think you need a private


1 site. Everything should be public. It could be public.

2 MS. SEARS: You can opt in to be on that list if you

3 want.

4 CHAIR BAGNERIS: Or just it make a public

5 announcement.

6 DIRECTOR AITKEN: We just need a one-stop shop.

7 FEMALE SPEAKER: Don't put that in the minutes.

8 CHAIR BAGNERIS: I'm saying let's keep everything

9 pubic.

10 MS. SEARS: There's ways to do it, Barbara, but before

11 you leave, I just want you to hear one thing, I sit on the

12 Board of a non-profit for about 20 years and we are

13 actually -- it's an environmental group. It's in the

14 county -- we are the umbrella group for a lot of little

15 groups that are doing stuff all over the county and the

16 region.

17 And what we do is we support them. Many of them

18 don't want to be a non-profit, but they need to have,

19 like, a fiscal sponsor or they need direction or whatever,

20 and we -- it's 80. And we have a long history. We were

21 involved in getting $268 million on the M2 funding for the

22 OCTA and all of that.

23 So we have worked on big things. So I think we

24 already have, like, ideas of how to do it and I think

25 this, we can utilize a lot of that stuff. And it can


1 happen.

2 CHAIR AITKEN: Yeah. There's models out there

3 already. We don't have to re-invent the wheel.

4 CHAIR BAGNERIS: I appreciate everything. I'm sorry I

5 have to leave, but great meeting. Thanks.

6 MS. SEARS: Are you going to D.C.?

7 CHAIR BAGNERIS: I don't know right now. I have to

8 talk to my doctor.

9 MS. SEARS: Okay. Great. Keep me posted.

10 CHAIR AITKEN: Because I think one of the things that

11 we're going to want to talk about at the next meeting,

12 too -- and I'm trying to keep it down to just three topics

13 so we can move forward -- is going to be the storage

14 options component to this. Whether it's off site, whether

15 it's others.

16 So can you let me know, Ken, just what is --

17 because I remember when the Master Site Plan, we were

18 talking about we need to redo these, the Millennium Barn,

19 and the livestock auction, and then there was talk that

20 some of these -- oh, my gosh. I'm too short -- some of

21 these things are -- maybe, potentially going to be

22 moving -- so what is here that's going to really be the

23 big potential problem to integrate these into one kind of

24 equine/livestock area? And I'm using those words

25 specifically because they are different.


1 MR. KARNS: And I'm just providing an opinion. So I

2 think this association invested in the corporate yard and

3 the Spectra kitchen. So anything can move for any price,

4 but if we look at the sense of it, I would think those are

5 fixtures.

6 CHAIR AITKEN: Now, I thought at the last -- when I

7 was there for the Hatch Academy, and maybe I misheard, but

8 someone said that they were going to potentially move the

9 Spectra kitchen?

10 MR. KARNS: Oh, I've never heard that.

11 CHAIR AITKEN: Okay. So I made that up. Perfect.

12 MS. SEARS: So I was always understanding that Spectra

13 wanted to be closer to the Pac Amp? That's been sort of

14 their interest for a period of time? To be in a place

15 where they're serving their stuff within the areas verus

16 way out here?

17 MR. KARNS: Inside a concept of the Master Site Plan

18 was a community building that Spectra would use as part of

19 the new location of the Market Place. I could just say

20 that. So the relocate -- to my knowledge, no discussion

21 on the relocation of the main kitchen.

22 MS. MUNDEKIS: Which building is the main kitchen?

23 CHAIR AITKEN: I believe it's right there. And it's

24 beautiful inside. It's state of the start. We do tons of

25 community programming in and out of there -- the Hatch


1 Academy, we got all the high school kids. It's a great

2 community space.

3 MR. KARNS: Yeah. You invested in that quite heavily

4 not too long ago, I believe, just two years ago. And that

5 kitchen's space and building is relatively new.

6 CHAIR AITKEN: And it's all enclosed. Even if we had

7 some type of -- this is just me spit balling -- but if we

8 even had some type of DG path connecting this to make it

9 seem like there's connectivity between these, that

10 wouldn't affect this because it's such a closed space.

11 MR. KARNS: How can we pull that forward, to delineate

12 that out so that there isn't crossover, as we encroach to

13 the west and get to the Action Sports Arena, I think

14 there's a way to do that. I truly do. If we look at how

15 many entrances do we need, what does a buffer between

16 back-a-house and front-of-the-house look like -- covered

17 arena, but, yes.

18 The two white tents and the three barns are

19 pretty tired. And then the the livestock structure could

20 get relocated and repurposed and then a covered show ring,

21 which then gets you closer to ASA -- and I'm just spit

22 balling, too -- that's a beautiful show ring.

23 So just based on some of the things that I've

24 done in some of my past with building a facility, we did

25 one and we were able to attract -- so anything is truly


1 possible.

2 CHAIR AITKEN: In your professional opinion, would

3 this be the best candidate for doing a covered ring? And

4 that is a spit ball only because it's really expensive.

5 Or would you want -- that would make the most sense to me,

6 maybe, but but I don't know.

7 MR. KARNS: I think as a whole, what we look at is

8 what type of different multi-purpose facility you need for

9 different activities. One, an open arena for some of the

10 things that happen in fair time, versus a covered ring for

11 year-round equine. So we did attempt once in a facility

12 at home -- to try to do that under one roof. I'll tell

13 you what, the exhaust systems that you have to put in --

14 so I would just caution to get --

15 MS. SEARS: So, Ken, there's experts in this area that

16 deal --

17 MR. KARNS: Absolutely.

18 MS. SEARS: -- with these kinds of things. I mean,

19 maybe we need to find and hunt for a person that has this

20 expertise. I mean, they're out there. But they have to

21 be equestrian-oriented. It can't just be a guy that those

22 architectural things.

23 MR. KARNS: And no disrespect to equestrians --

24 Theresa knows I'm a horse person where I came from. I

25 spent my youth on a horse -- but I think, for me, there's


1 an opportunity to integrate all types of equine into all

2 this, along with equestrian. I'm for more horse shows and

3 different things.

4 So inside that footprint, it's going to take an

5 experienced and creative person to take all this and start

6 plotting those blocks and see what it looks like and then,

7 ultimately, how does it affect the Fair and how can it

8 integrate and how it can operate. So some moving parts.

9 CHAIR AITKEN: Looks like there's potential for this

10 area.

11 MR. KARNS: There's some real estate there to --

12 CHAIR AITKEN: The ranch is staying? That's the

13 ranch?

14 MR. KARNS: Well, again, depending on whatever

15 decisions get made, we talked about efficiencies and

16 integration of staff, the ranch could stay or it could go

17 because we need -- we're disjointed from a staffing

18 standpoint.

19 MS. SEARS: So maybe if we had, like, a working

20 committee that can sort of throw out some ideas, some

21 options, so we can maybe -- because that's a different

22 program. Programs is one thing and then, like, a working

23 committee to kind of come through with some ideas here.

24 That might be helpful.

25 CHAIR AITKEN: Because we're going to have to come up


1 with -- without -- there's no funding coming out of the --

2 we don't have the authority to fund all the architects or

3 what not. So we're going to have very creative. But I

4 need to know what's not possible, and what is possible.

5 And let the community know how we get to these decisions.

6 My last question, and then I'm going -- I know

7 Jerry wants to say something -- is there a reason why we

8 can't -- because we have all these things that have been

9 there since forever, since I was a kid -- that we can't

10 have those go some place else in another corner? Or even

11 more, like --

12 FEMALE SPEAKER: Further way?

13 DIRECTOR AITKEN: Yeah.

14 MR. KARNS: Every move is a chess piece. As we know,

15 affects -- it's not a black and white, yes or no answer.

16 Anything is possible, it's just understanding what it

17 affects.

18 MS. SEARS: And having a plan. You have to have plan.

19 Reggie had to say something, I think.

20 MS. MUNDEKIS: At the Equestrian Center, from what I'm

21 hearing people talk about, it needs sound walls. As a

22 buffer from the freeway noise and some of the other noise.

23 So maybe you need to fold that into your planning to give

24 you a better riding experience also make it less stressful

25 for the horses.


1 The neighbors, they really like the Equestrian

2 Center because it's part of the agricultural use of the

3 property and it's a nice and quite use. And they would

4 like to see it better integrated into the neighborhood.

5 And as you look for more opportunities to tie

6 into non-profits and community programming, talk to

7 Newport Unified -- Newport Mesa Unified School District

8 because there's two schools across the street. There's

9 Davis Elementary, which is a magnet school, and then

10 there's Costa Mesa High School.

11 So you could talk to them about whether -- I

12 don't know if they're FFA or 4H over there, but if their

13 school programs want to come over to the Equestrian Center

14 for after-school programs or for field trips or if they

15 want to start a chapter of Pony Club or if they have

16 students who are interested in animal science -- coming

17 over and doing internships or working with trainers to

18 learn how to work with animals to, you know, be vets or be

19 trainers just to work with animals because you like them

20 -- and that could be something that could be a good pick

21 up for you guys.

22 On the storage issue, I understand why the swap

23 meet has storage containers in the parking lot. Because

24 you have these vendors who have large pieces of furniture

25 and bicycles that they sale every week, and they move them


1 in and they move them out.

2 I don't know why there's this ruminant-fested

3 junk between parking lot G and the Equestrian Center. As

4 part of the Master Site Plan, we should look at storage

5 needs and building a warehouse; back-a-house somewhere or

6 instead of back-a-house along Arlington, there's the front

7 corner of the parking lot at the corner of Fairview -- at

8 the corner of Fair and Newport that nobody likes to use

9 because it's just -- nobody likes to park there because

10 it's too screwed up. And even when the parking lot is

11 full, nobody wants to use it.

12 So why not use that for some sort of storage.

13 And I do not mean shipping containers dropped on the

14 parking lot because that's disgusting. Either build a

15 container warehouse where you can do either the Costco

16 model where you have pallets on racks and you have them

17 tagged and inventoried so they get the forklift guy out

18 there and he pulls down the pallet from the top rack, and

19 brings it down and they unpack it and use it.

20 Or for longer term storage like for the carnival

21 which always drops things here for longer storage, you

22 give them those pods like we've all seen our neighbors

23 use. There's containers and cargo things. They work

24 wonderful.

25 You assign each department or each vendor a


1 certain number of pods or pallets, and that way you know

2 how big your warehouse needs to be and there could be a

3 section of the warehouse for storage of odd-sized things

4 like some of the things you use for exhibits, like the OC

5 Fair letters and the giant chicken and the cow. But you

6 organize it and you give people space budget.

7 Because when I went back to look at that funky

8 little thing that's between the parking lot and the

9 Equestrian Center, it was -- they were, like, somebody

10 dumped a box of plastic spoons, there's empty food

11 containers, there was stuff that was, like, light posts,

12 broken water fountains, and then there was more junk in

13 some of those corners back there. I know a number of

14 these junk corners on the property, and that's what they

15 are.

16 MS. SEARS: I think, Reggie -- and, Ken, this might

17 help you out a bit -- because I think storage and staff

18 and they are, basically, they have suffered through -- was

19 the Fair even going to be here, okay. So they went

20 through the 10-year period of -- are they coming to work?

21 Not coming to work? They didn't know -- whatever.

22 And so nobody could actually think clearly. And

23 you can't really give them -- you can't really blame too

24 much on that. It's just a bunch of junk that got piled

25 and now it's time to clean up. And now it's time to spark


1 joy. And that's what I'm hoping.

2 Jerry and I can work together for, like,

3 communicating and -- help his life a bit. You know, this

4 poor guy is out, like, he didn't know, you know. And

5 we've been through a lot in 10 years. Would you not say,

6 Jerry?

7 MR. ELDRIDGE: Yes.

8 MS. SEARS: And then nobody really knew. And I think

9 once we can relieve staff of, like, these heavy burdens,

10 then they can go do the things that they love doing. We

11 want to offer that same to youm Jerry, some relief. I

12 don't know if that helps you, Jerry.

13 MR. ELDRIDGE: I'd like to address Reggie's comments

14 about the pods. So those are pods. Those are storage

15 containers. It's not a junkyard over there. Every

16 container -- the Wine Society has a container. We have

17 containers. The events team has containers to hold and

18 store equipment and product that can't sit out on the sun

19 or shouldn't be out.

20 Just some of that area can we clean up? Yes. We

21 just went through and trimmed out all the trees and

22 cleaned that all up, so it's not really -- I don't think

23 it's what she states it to be.

24 But other than that, I wanted to address you. So

25 I've written a lot of years. I have a passion for the


1 horses as well. I ride western.

2 MS. SEARS: Western is good.

3 MR. ELDRIDGE: So I do have compassion for you all and

4 keeping the Equestrian Center as well Ken sees it -- like

5 experiences from where he comes from with horses. So I

6 just want to make sure that you all understand that. Our

7 department, our staff, our people are not trying to do

8 push you out or make it too loud or uncomfortable on

9 horses situations.

10 So that area in the back over there is one of the

11 only areas that we have for storing when we have

12 underground water and we have to tear stuff out. That's a

13 place to hold material until we can -- we've been using it

14 for years.

15 So as soon as we heard that one of the people got

16 thrown when that dumpster was being loaded, we waited

17 until the morning, we cleared it out, so that wasn't a

18 problem anymore. So we're very attentive to what you guys

19 may need. I've been trying to work with Rick. I think

20 we've had a good relationship on that.

21 CHAIR AITKEN: Well, I think whatever form we decide

22 to go with, I think that will help you a lot. If you can

23 just let people be on notice, and then at the end of the

24 day, it's people's responsibility to check in. We'll

25 accept the duty and responsibility to provide notice, but


1 at some point, you know.

2 MR. KARNS: Ashleigh, I want to give notice, we're

3 moving into Fair. I have to tell you. It's going to be

4 loud and there's --

5 MR. ELDRIDGE: So when you guys were talking about the

6 commercial kitchen, right next to it is our corporation

7 yard. We're dumping hundreds of trash cans into

8 containers to be hauled off for trash and it's very noisy.

9 Operationally, most of the day, our sand, our plant

10 material, all of our storage is in there. We've got

11 hundreds of trash cans. People are pulling around with

12 carts. And that's right next to the Equestrian Center --

13 or the commercial kitchen. That's just the west side.

14 So I understand the noise in the corner is loud,

15 but moving closer to that area, there's no way unless we

16 stop completely. That noise it goes on there because that

17 is our main dump facility for all trash that comes.

18 MS. SEARS: Is that facility, Jerry, was that a

19 permanent structure or is that portable? The corporate?

20 MR. ELDRIDGE: Well, the corporation is permanent. We

21 relocated. That was building 17 towards where the Hangar

22 was. So we relocated out to that space. The

23 corporation -- our side -- the S compacter containers,

24 yeah, we un-bulk them and they get loaded up and they get

25 hauled off.


1 The sewer and everything that's designed to

2 capture any of the discharges and waste that go to the

3 sewer. It's covered so that storm water doesn't integrate

4 into the sewer. And so it's designed for what its purpose

5 is.

6 MS. SEARS: Well, it's great, I think, to hear from

7 Jerry because he's, like, he's the guy that's there every

8 day pretty much. But his willingness to collaborate. And

9 I think it's going to need that, Ken, who's the facility's

10 guy. And so everybody knows, we toured The Shea Center

11 several months -- maybe it was last year. I don't

12 remember. And we were looking at everything. And we were

13 looking at covered arenas. And we were looking at

14 footings and I didn't know this guy much.

15 I asked Ken, "Do you know anything about? Do I

16 really get into this and understand it myself?" And he

17 goes, "Oh, no. I know all about this. I've built it.

18 I've operated it. I've overseen it." So I said, "Great.

19 I don't need to know about it because he knows about it."

20 So I can assure you Ken understands that, sort of, side?

21 Am I saying that correctly?

22 MR. KARNS: I think you're bragging on me a little

23 bit. Let's get it on the record. Thank you.

24 MS. SEARS: The same goes for Rick Hanson. I've known

25 Rick for years. I know that he knows. I've been out to


1 his center in San Juan. Rick knows what he is doing when

2 it comes to that. I'm not going to say Rick is our best

3 communicator, but he is absolutely the best if you're

4 looking for somebody to run an equestrian facility, the

5 Hansons a, you know, they have a stellar history. So

6 that's what I'm saying.

7 CHAIR AITKEN: Well, we can create the portal.

8 FEMALE SPEAKER: So there could be a closed group

9 portal?

10 CHAIR AITKEN: We don't know what it looks like right

11 now, but let me get with staff.

12 FEMALE SPEAKER: Safety is our first thing and these

13 ladies are trying to run a business. We have so many

14 little kids out there.

15 CHAIR AITKEN: Jerry understands. They know what the

16 watering schedule is. If we're moving stuff in and out in

17 the morning, there's a safe zone during lunch hour. It is

18 going to be louder and crazier. Sometimes we call it

19 coming to the nuisance.

20 So if anyone doesn't have any -- we don't have

21 any further comments right now, I think just for the last

22 one, the next step is -- the third Thursday -- just so we

23 have some buffer time built in before our regular schedule

24 Fair Board meetings is what I had picked.

25 Obviously, I intend to have another meeting next


1 month, even though it will be in the middle of the Fair

2 just, so we don't loses momentum. And I will work with

3 staff, even if it's just me. I do agree with Reggie. I

4 think even if it's just me, and a staff person, we can at

5 least just report back and keep the ball moving.

6 And then in September or even August or September

7 try to do a night meeting so that people that are teaching

8 all day can also feel like they're part of the process.

9 And then the last month, September, is going to be about

10 writing a report so that our last meeting before that Fair

11 Board meeting, we are looking at the report and it gives

12 us a week to make changes before I report back to the

13 Board.

14 MS. SEARS: What Fair Board meeting is that?

15 CHAIR AITKEN: I think Barbara wanted us to have

16 something in August -- I mean, I'm sorry -- October. But

17 we need to have it down by our October meeting so that we

18 can weigh in. And even if you're not totally satisfied,

19 you know it's coming up.

20 But that would be my, kind of, and granted I try

21 to be as flexible as possible. I think this has been a

22 very helpful meeting, and I appreciate the collaboration.

23 I'm a little -- that's why I think it's important to be a

24 little bit loosey-goosey with public comment and what not

25 because I want you to feel like the whole thing is public


1 comment.

2 And so that's how I contend to have these

3 meetings. So if anyone doesn't have any further comments,

4 I think we got a lot to accomplish in the next couple

5 weeks.

6 First order of being, the communication, and then

7 can staff report back on where we are on these items. So

8 if anybody else doesn't have any comments. Do you have a

9 master email for all the trainers?

10 MR. HANSON: I have to check with Kurt, but I think we

11 do.

12 DIRECTOR AITKEN: Okay. Because it might be as easy

13 as getting it from Rick and then just putting it into a

14 document and then I can add either Lisa or whoever wants

15 to be -- I'm not comfortable just giving out people's

16 personal emails and information in a public sphere.

17 However, if we can get that list -- if Rick feels

18 comfortable sharing that with us, you know, we can send

19 something out and then it would be word-of-mouth. We'll

20 just have to post something there. We'll have something.

21 That's why I want to get with staff. I don't know if

22 people are on Facebook.

23 MS. SEARS: And Rick, I don't know if you email

24 your -- different people -- but I would think they would

25 want to opt in. Opt in and say, "Hey, here's your


1 opportunity if you want to opt in." Then at that point,

2 then that could be -- whatever.

3 And then, for instance, if they don't and if it's

4 Molly just gets it from -- and you guys are obligated to

5 get it to your people, and Molly gives it to her people,

6 and Lisa to your people. And you guys share amongst

7 yourselves.

8 CHAIR AITKEN: And maybe we just do a public website

9 where you want to check it, check it. We'll report back

10 on that and figure it out. Well, thank you everybody for

11 coming.

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