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82ND GESZRAL ASSZ:BLT

RCG7LâR S:SSIOK

5AI 26e 1982

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PRESIDING, OPPICERZ (SENâT0E n0xx::Atn)

TKe kour of ten àaviag arrigeGe t:e Senate will co*e to '

order. ëill kNe gqesta in our galleries please rise. Prayer

by Reveread Tirtor J. Kaltelbacà of St. Patzick's Cakholic 11

churcâ, Spriagfield. I

RBVZREND <âLT2:3ACRz

lprayer gigea by Qeveread Kaoteaàach) '.

PAZSQDING O'PICC:Z (SZXAIOR 9O#X::àID)

QCIà-TV reqqests perlisaion to be--eta pe tàe proceeiing.

Is there leaFe? Lea/e is granted. Aeading of the Jouraal.

Senator JoNls. .

SCXATO: JOHXSZ

:r. Presiëeate I aove t:at reading and approgal of tàe

Joqznals of kedaesdaye 5ar the l9tA; 'Nqrsday.. 5ay tke 20tâ;.

. honday, day tNe 2Rtà aqd. 'qesday: :ay tàe 25::. ih tNe yeal

of 1982 be postponed peading arrigal of t%e priated Journal. '

PSZGIDI:G OFFICSR: (SCNAIOR DOXRENALD)

Heard +àe Kotioa. TNose in favor indicate by sayiag Aye. '

TNose opposed.. T:e âyes have it. Tke lotion carries. Eouse

Bills 1st reaatng.

âCTIXG 5:CR2Tâ2Tz (:/. FCRNAN::S)

Hoqse Biil 668, senator legboqse.

(Gecretary rmads title of :ill)

1st readlag of khe bill. , .

Eoqse Bill 1954. Seaator Thomas. II

(Secretary reads title of bi11) I. . I

' 1st. reaazag ok t:e blla- 1I

House Bill 2û79. Seaators 'etacâv itNeredge an4 iaitland. iII

' (secretary reads title'of bil1) II

1st readiag of ::* .bi11. 'iI

aoqse Bill 2102. Senator Gavickas. I

(Secretary teaGs title of :i1l)

1st reading of the bill.

aouse Bill 2243. Senator Brace-

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'tsecretarz reads tikle o: bill)lat'readiag of the bàil.

. aoùse 3111 2286. senakor D.&rco. '

. (secrekary reads title of bill) i

1s* reaiing of the bill. .

Hoqse Bill 2340. Selator Philip. I

(secretarv reads title of biill .

1st reaGihg of t:e bill. I

Hoqse Bill 2437. Senator FrieGland-Grotberg.

(Secretary reads title of bill) .' 1st reaiing of the bili. I

:pase Bill 2450. Senator darogitz.. lsecretary reads title of.b&Il)

'

j1st reading' of the bill.' aoqse 3ill 2541. sealtor xiarod.

(Gecretary reads titte of bill)

1st reaitng of t:e bill. '

noqse Bill 2569. Senator xetskh..

(Secrekary reads title of bill)

1st readiag of t:e bill..

' xouse B&il 2586. Senakor....senator J. J. Joyce.

'lsecretary reads titoe of bi1l)

1st readiag of the bill. .

House Bill 2599. Senator qarovitz. I

(Gecretary reads title of bill). I1at readiag of tNe bill.

PRZSIDING O'TICZR: (SZ#âTOA DOKXZ9ALD) '

Tàe Senake will stand at ease for ten œinutes.

PRZSZDZNTI ' ' '. ; .

' è . .T:e Seaate vi lA come to order. It ?as agreed yesterda;

tàat certain appropriation bills gere subject to furtàer

aaendxents and wouldg in . factœ wbea t:e awendkents vere

agreed toy be called back for t:e purpose of those amend-

xenta. If I can have yoaz attentiony I viilw-.leginaing on.

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page 3e ye vl22 lâet tàe bâ21s. 1 umderstand axenâaents âaFe

beea filed. Weeli take the appropriatioas bills first so

kàat t:ey can..-Enroliing aad zngrossing caa get tbew re#dy

for fiaal action. TNe aiidle of page 3. Senate 3iIl 1363.

1393, 1396, 1397. 1398. 1R02. 1R03e 1%0R. 1:05. 1:06. 1:07.

1409. 1411, 1413. 1414e 1415. 1*16y 1418. 1419. 1420. 1425.

1426, 1427. aa4 1%R5. &1l righk. Fe vill begia.-oand tàere

are other bills that sponsors have inGicated they wisà called

back for axead*ent or aaendlents kave beea filed. 'âere aret .

some tNat are sqbstaakige bills. âa soon as ve finisù the

appropriation bills an4 get those up ko inrolAing and

Engrossing, ve viil go back and pick up tNe .rest. On the

order of Sënate Bills 3rd Reading ia Senate Bill 1363. Sena-

kor Carloll s:eks leave of ::e Body to retqra that bill to

tâe Orâer of 2nd Aeaâiag for pqrposes of an amend/ent. Is

leage graated? teave is grantei. On t:e order of Senate

sills 2nd is Senate Bill 1363. 1r. Secretary.

âCTI#G SECRZTARYZ (8R. #ER:z#D2S)

àmenGment 5o. 2 offered by Senator Carroll.

PRESIDENTI

. . -seaator Carrolo.

SX:ATOR Cl2R0LLz

Thank youe dr. PresiGeat and tadies and gentlemen of tàe

Sehake. 'hls is aa add-back fromidotor Vehicle Lavs Commis-

siaa to Tqt *he Contractaal Gervices at t:e level that tâey

kave Nad it vitàin t*e growth alloged for Tqriols colaissioas

of sixty-one hundred doolars. Aa4 voal; moge adoption of

âmeatlxent Mo. 2.

PRESIDENTI

Seaator carroll àas aoved the adoption of âmendment No. 2

to seaate B&Al 1363. àny Giscussion? If note aA1 ia favor

signlfy by saying Aye. A1l opposed. TNe àyes have it. The

amendaent is adopted. 'urkher aœendxents?

ACTIKG SECRZ'ARYI (8R. 'EXNAXDZS)

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No fqrtàer ameniments.

PRESIDEXTZ

3rd readiag. Seaator Schaffer on 1393. On +he Order of

Seaate Biiis 3r; Reading is senate Biil 1393. Senator

Scbaffer seeks. leave of the Bod; to retura tkat bili to tàe

orGer of 2nd zeaGiag for pqrposes of an azendment. Is leave

granked? Leave.is granted. On *:e OrGer of senate Bills

2nde senate 8111.1393. :r. Secretary.

ACTIXG SECRETâR'Z (8R. FERNANDES)

Amendment :o. > offere4 by senator sc:affer.#R2sIDd*Tz

Senàkor Schaffer.

SEAAQOR 5cHAe?:a:

5r. zresidenk. melbers of the Senate. most of ;ou vi11

recall that ge had a coqrt decision in C:icago recently vNicà

sort of negàted ghak ve thought vas going on ia ghich t:e

circuit-..lllinols Circuit Judge. in effect. decide; tàat Net

voqld set tàe ra'te of reimbursement to general assistaai

recipiynts zegardless of gkat this General Asse lbly appropri-

ated.. Tàis par+icular amendment aad the oùt-..tâe end resqlà

of that decision is tàat it Eas caused tbe department to

expen; more money than Mas anticipated. Ia the last aoatû of

tàis 'ïscai zear. t:e generai a&d recipients viil onl; be

receiving a ha:dred anG twenty-threey iasteaG of tâe àanired

anG forty-foqr' lhich this Geaeral àssembly agreed to not a

week and a hql; ago. I woqld suggest it might not be

inappropriate to çlose the shortfali br a traasfer from aâ

approprlate line ikem in anotàer budget. znd after so/e

researche we have found several appropriate line items to

transfer khis additioaql *oaey in so tâat tNe cizcqik judge's

wish tàat ue pay tNe kigher amoqntv caa come true. Aad

that's tàe pqrpose of this amendment.

PZZSIDENTZ

àli right. Senator Scàaffer has aoved tâe adoption of

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lmendmeat No. 5 to gehate Bill 1393. Discussion? Senator

Cqrroll.

S'CNATOR CAQROIII

I *âS jqst konâerins if SeRato; SCNAffOC YOQ1â be S0 kinâ'

!as to identify Mhere tNat traasfer vas comihg fro.. I doa#t

i k azybody EearG-t-leœ sure it ?as lqsk an oversigkt ont: n

:is part in noi iGentifying gkere the aoney was coling froa.

senator Sc:affer. !

SCXâTO: SCEà#FEEZ . -!%elle we...we tNink it's coming fro. the œost appropriake

line item imaginable, it's coming frol the Circait and Judi- i

clal salarz liae ite/s for :he moat: of Jqae. As a aatter of .

fack, it strips tàoae itezs bare for t:e aoath of Jaae and p

vill provide tàe aecessary funds to impleMent the visàes of' j

t:is clrcuit court judgee t:e appropriatïonr of kàe General I

Asseœbly notwitàstapding. . ,

PRESIDENT;

SXNâTO; Câ:ROLIZ !

So that tâe three million ''Gollars voqld come out of

' judgea: salaries to pay ::e Gâ xoùies. Is tàat correct?

Senator Scàaffez..

SZXAIQR SCHàPTZRZ

Iesy. tNer-..tNeyy in fact, tkere voql; be no funis to pay

iàe judges in tàe zonth of Jane ol thia year.

PQCSIDENTI

. eurther discasaion? Senator Joàns.J . .

, SCXATQR JOH<S::

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Qqlle Ne neFer has--xvas it târee million as senator

' Carroll said?

PRZSIDENT; '

sena kor schaff/r. . .

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S'XATOR SC:â1Y23z

Three millioa tventy-tvo thoqsahd four hqndred and

tuenty-five dollarse to be exact.

PRZSIDZSTI

Selator Jo:as.

SExâ1OR JOHNSZ

If I Kighk. Tou said there ?as t:ree transfers of liae

ite Ise so yoa're allowed to take tvo percent off of a line

itexe aœ I righte at t:e aoat? or you can take any aœount?

Okaz. âl1 rlghte tkea ghat's rour other t?o amounts? Qould

yoa discuss tkose git: us?

PRESIDCNTZ

senator Scàaffez.

SEXâTOR GcHàeezR:

'elle tâat uas the total amoqnt. ke transfer from the

liae iteKs of the appellatey circait and FeGeral coqrts.-onot

Federaly pardon me, Supreme Coqrts,

PR:SIDCKTI

âny furtàer discussion? Fœrtàer discussion? senator

schaffer moFes ::e adop'tion of laendment #o. 5 to Senate Bill

1393.. Tâose in favor of'tke aaendaent signify by sa ring Aye.

âil opposed. In the opinion of the chair. tàe xoes have it.

Aaendment xo. 5 fails. 1396. Senator Soamer. 0n tàe Order

of Senatê :ills 3rd ReaGlnge Seaake 3ill 1396. seaator

Sonaer seeks leave of t:e Body ta retara tNak bill to ààe

orGer of 2n4 Reading for purpoaes of aa axendmeat. Is ieave

graated? Leave is granted. 0n tNe order of senate Bills 2RG

aea ding, Senate Bill 1396. Kr. secretary.

âCTI'G S;CE2TA2ïI (dR.,FE2HAxDAs)

âmendment xo. q offered by seaator Carroll.

PEZSIDENTZ

Seaator Carroii.

SENITOR CARROLL;

Tàank youe ;r. Presiient and Ladies anG Gentielen of the

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senate. In line *1th our discussioas of yesterdaye tbese'

eriea that are coxiag up ace t:e reatorationare-rwthe s

ameadlents based on adjustaents on tàe for*ula. In this par-

ticular casey tàere was the opportqnitx to purchase a piece

of equipxent in IIS that NaG beea Aeased and ko add some

monies in soœe of the.-.revolving funds. I goald move adop-

tiou of âmendmenk No. q.

PRCGIDEXT:

Senator carroll has loved tb< adoption of A/eàdment No. q

to senéte 5111 1396. Any dàscussionz If noty aQ1 in fagor

sigaify by sayiag Aye. àl1 opposed. The àyes Nage it. 1àe

aweadment is adopked. âre there fqrther amendments?

ACTING S/CRERARYI (hE. 'EZNANDES)

ào further aueadaents.

PQZSIDZNTZ

3rd reading. Senator Davidson on 1397. Gn t:e order of

Senate Bills 3Id is Senate Bill 1397. Senator Davidson

seexs ieave of the Body to zetarn tha't bill to tâe Order o;

2ad ReaGing for pqrposes of aq azeRdnent. Is leave granted?

Oa the Order of senake Bills 2nd Reading is Senate 3ill 1397..

'r.zsecretary.

ACTING SECASTARII (hQ. PCZKARDZS)

Amendzent :o..S offered by Senator Bazbee.

PRZSIDE'AT::

Senator Buzbee.

GE:àTOR 3BZB;ZI

'haa'k roue ;r. Presïdent. Tàls amendaqnk adds back

fifty-six thousaad seven hundred dollars. 'hirky . tboqsan;

niae â un4red froa G2#e tlentr-five tàousand elght hundred

oider A*ericans to Persoaai Services relative to the PIPS

recalculaklpn. ànd I @oœ2d moge its adoption.

PRESIDENTZ

âll rïgât. Senator Baabee has aoved t:e adoption of

âmeadment No. 5 to Sqnate Bill 1397. Any discussion? Sena-

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tor Rhoais.

. GZAATOR RaOâDS:

. Qqestipa of tâe sponsor. ... :

ZEESIDZNTI .

Sponsor iniicates he will yielde senator RhoaGs. '

S2XA;O2 RSGADSZ -

Senator Bqzbee. can yoa indicake the...the reason for the

amendment and why it did aot go on in comaittee.

PQCSIDZNTZ

Senator Bqzbee. i

SCXâTOR BBZBZZ:

@elle thim --t:ls vas an add-bac: of fifty-six thoasand !

4ollars. In talking vitk tke de partleat: as smali aa agency

as. that ise kkey...you kave to be Fery seasitige ko tàe kotal

cuts that you aake becaœse...

PEZSIDZXTZ

Senator Bqzbee aoves the adoption o' àmendwent Ho. 5 to

Senate Bill 139'7.. lny discqssionz If aote all in favor sig-

hify by saying âye. àll opposed. TNe àyes àave it. The

awenGment is adopted. Tœrtker a/eadœents? .

àCTI'G SCCZETAAI: (52. TERXAXDES) '

No furtàez amendments.

' PRCSIDZNTZ

3rd reading. senator 'aitlan; on 1398. On the Or4er of

Sênate Bills 3rd ReaQing. 1398. . Senator 'aitlan; seeks leave

qf tàe Body to retarn that biii to the OrGer of 2nd zeading

' for purposes of an axendment. Is leave grantei? Leave is '

granted. Oa the Orier of Seaate Bills 2ad Eeadingy Zenate '

ailla 1'398.. ïr. seczetary.

ACIIXG SP,C2M âRI'I

âmeniment #o. S offere; by Seaator Carroll.!

PZESIDE:TZ'

Senator Carroil.

SENATOA CARROILZ

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1làank you, :r. presi4ent and Ladies aad Gentleœea of the

Senate. This is an aid-back amendneat for tâe Department of

Agricuiture. I might advise t:e me/bershipe it does not add

back Chicagofestu.-does nok add back Chicagofesty bqt it does

àd4 back some phasing of Tacancies xkere the jobs kave. in

facte alrea4y becin affezed and identified in corresponiing

travêl aad retirpment for kàose people. I voald aove adop-

tion of àmendment xo. 5.

PR:sIDENT:

Senator Carrool œoves tNe adoption of ànendzent :o. 5 to '

senate Biii 1398. àny discussion? If aote a1l in favor sig-

aify by sayiag ftye. à1I' opposed. I:e àyes' haFe it. The

ameadment is adopt î1. furtker aaenGments?

ICIIXG. SECRC'ARYI (:R. 'ER:l:7BS)

Ko f urther aaêFkiaents.

P:ESIDEX'I

3rG reading. Top of page 4.. op tàe Ordez of Senate Bilis

3rG Readingy is senate Bill 1402. Genator Solœer seeks leage

of the Body to retura that lill to tàe Order of 2ad Readiag

for pqrposes of an amendaeht-, Is leave granteo? Leave is

granked. On t:e Order of Senate Bills 2ad Reading, Senate

Biil 1402. 5r. secretary.

ACTI:G SCCRETARYZ (:R. TZRNANDES)

âmenGaent Xa. 3 offered by Seaator Carroll.

PRESIDEXTI.) .

senator Carroll.

SENàTOR CARROLL:

Ikank yoay :r.. Presideat an; tadies and Gentlelen of t*ê

senate. Because o; tàe Geep cuts aaie by tàe ExecutiFe

branc: in CDB'S operations when tkey vere talking about con- ,

solidating khis agencye our furtàer reductions would àave

gone uay too deep an4 it's an add back of sixty-six tùousaad w I

foar hundred. I voald Move ita adoption.

PRZSIDENTI

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' seaaàor carroil Moves t:e adoption of zmendaent :o. 3 to

Senate Bill 1402. Anr âisc hssionz If not, al1 in favor sig-

nify by saying àye. âl1 opposeo. The âyes hage it. TNe

amendzenk is adopted. eurtàer alpndlents?

ACTIXG SECZETAQTI (/R. 'ERXAXDES)

xo fœrtâer amendments.

PRZSIDZN'I

3rd zeadinq. on t:e Order of senake Bills 3rd Readiag,

Senake Dill 14:3. Senator Coffey aeeks leave of tàe 3ody to

bring that bill back to 2ad reading for purposes of an amend-

aent. Is leave granted? ieave is granted. On tNe Order of

Senate Bills 2nd Reading. Senate 3ill 1403, :r. Secretary.

. âCTING SSCZETAXYZ (ME. 'ZRNâNDZS)

Amendzent :o. 3 offered by Senator Carroll.

PR:SInENIZ . . .

seaator carroll. .

SZNATGR CAZROLLZ ' .

ThanA youe :r. Presideat and Ladles and Gentlemen of tàe

Seaate. gikh oal; ten aa; a kal; 'eaployees. again t:e Ci/il

Gervice Co*mission goœld have àad significaak products oa the

PIP; part of it and ve àaFe added back sixty-five huaired

doliars. '

PRZSID:XTZ

senator Carroll moves t:e aGoptioa of A *endment No. 3 to

'Senake Bill 1%03. Any di scqssionz If not. all in favor sig-

nifz by aaying àye. Ali opposed. The Ayes haFe. it. The

. amend/eat is adopted. Fqzther alenGmehts?'

ACAISG szcazTzaxz (Ke. ezasàsozsj

xo further amèndaents.

#R2sID2:Tz

3rd reading. On the Order of Senate BilAs 3rd Readinq is

Seaate Bill 1:04. Senator Kent seeks leave of t%e Body ko

retqrn that biii to the Order of 2n; Reading for pqrposea of

an aaendleat. Is leage graated? Leave is granted.. On the

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ocder oz senate slzzs' 2n4 aeadinq, senate aill :qn4, :r.

Secretary.

ACTING SECRZ'I?àRI: .. :

Aœendment :o. ,5.offere4 by Senakor Carroll. :

PQESIDE:TI

seaator carroll. '. I

SEKITOE CâEROLLZ

Thank yoq, dr. PresiGent and Ladies and Gentlexen of tàe

Seaake. zs part of our cats in t:e Department of Coœmerce ,

and Coœmunity àffairs, tàere gere some 'ederal funds. @e

vere able to identify Grant lines iastead of Operakions liaes

vhere ge coql; use those fuads so that tàese funds voœldg ia

fact, go back oqt to ail of tNe areas o: tàe State. In addi-

tioa to thaty we ckaaged some phaso-in#s of so/e of tàe

gacancies taking into accoaat posikions they àave alreaiy

offered jobs on, and this aaendmeak vould be that projection

of Grant line Monies of eederal fqnds an; tàe add-backs. I

aove a4option of âœendmeht xo. 5.

PEZSIDZNT:

Jenator Carroll aoves tàe adoption of zœendaent Xo. 5 to

senate Biil 14:5. àny discqssionz If note a1l in favor sig-

nifl b; sazing àye. All opposed. The lyes have it. The

amendœent 'is adopted. FuTther amendments?

ACTIXG SZCEZTARTI (MR. FERKAXDZS)

No further amendments.

PR:SIDENT:

3rd reading. Oa tke Order ôf Senate Bi11z...3rd Reading

ls Seaate. 3i1l 1406. Sena :02 itNeredge seeks leave of the

Bod; to ceturn that bill to the order of 2nd Rqading for pur-

poses of an a*eniœgnt. Is leale granked? Leave is granted.

On tàe Drder o' Senate 5i12s 2nd aeadiag. Sezate B1ll 1406,.

:r. secretary.

ACTIXG SECRETAZX:

Alendaent ho. 7..eoffered by seaator Bazbem.

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PQESIDENTZ

senator Bqzbee.

SD A2OR BIJZBZEZ

This is 1406 e àœendâent %o. 1.

PRZSIDENTZ

7

S:NATOR B;Z3C2I

Gkay. This aaendaenk adds back the folloging awounts

it's a total adGition' of one Nundre; sixtr-nihe thousand

Gollars to the Departaent of Energ; anG xatural Resoulces.

44s back ten *hoqsai; dollars to GR# for coKlodities forIt a

khe Stake dqseul: ln tk:...natural or ratNer in tNe Geolog-

ical surveye it ad4s back fifteea thoqsaad èollars for print-

ing typographic zaps-..topograp*ic maps. I gqess that isy

sixky thoasand dollars for Personal sevvices due to the

reexaminatioa of 1àe application of the PIPS calculation. In

the 'atural History Surveyyit restores forty-tvo tNousand one

hundred dollars due to the PIPS reexaœinakion. anG in the

kater sqrvey it restores forty-tvo thoasand dollazs dqe to

the Plps.--reexamination. And I vould œove &ks adoption.

PZZSIDZHTZ

senator aazbee loves the aioption of. lteadment No. 7 td

senate 3ilI 1406. ànz disc ussionz If not. a1l in favor aig-

aify by saying Aye. àil opposed. Tàe âyes kave it. 1k#

axendzent ia adoptei. rqrtàer alendlents?

ACTING SECRET ARYZ (8R. 'EENANDES)

No further aaeadaents. âmendaent No. 8...

PEESIDEKTI

senator Carroll.

ACTING SZCRSTAEIZ (d2. PN/NANDES)

. - -by Sênakor Carroil.

SENâTOR Câ/ZOLLZ

Thank yoa. lr. President and Ladiea aad Gentlexen of the

Senate. Tbis anendment vould add 2.5 œiiiion oat of coal

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nevelopment Funis for a fluidize; bed combuster ak Pekine

Illinois at the :iGvest Salgin CoKpanr...alitization of the

Coal Degelopment Pund. I Fould zoFe adoptioa of âaendment

No. 8.

PZESIDE:T;

senator Carroll :as aoved t:e adoption af ânendzent xo. 8

to Senate Bill 1406. âay discqssion? If not. all in favor

signify by saying àye. All opposed. T:e âyes àave it. ':e

ameldmeat is adopted. Fqrther aœenâments?

àCTISG SECZETARI: (:R.. FEZBANDZS)

No fartâer aaendments.

P:CSIDENTZ

3r; reading. I'œ sorryy Senator dahare I skippeb 1405

ina4vertehtly. On kke order of Senate Bills' 3rG Reading..

.s eaake Biil 1R05. Senatol Xahar aeeks leage of the Body to

retqrn that bill to the order of 2nd Reading for purposes for

an aœenGwent. Is leave granted? Leave is graateG. 0n the

Order of Senate Bills 2ad Readiage Seaate Bill 1405. dr.

Secreàarr.

àCTIXG GCCEETAETZ (;E. FEEXàXDES)

àaenëœent No.,3 offered bl senator Carrolo.

PRESIDZXTZ

Senator Carroll.

52:A'OE CARROLLZ'

'hank you. :r.. President and.tadies and Gentlemen of kàe

Senate.. Tàis is to a4d :ack a position in t:e 'aintenance

and Ca1 ibratioa SNop. I vouid aove adoption of àzeadzent

10.3.

PRESIDEXTZ

Genator Carroli moves tàe adoption of àlendnent xo. 3 to

Senake Bill 1405. Aay discassioaz 1: not: all in

favor--e-.senator ïahar.

SzxàT0.R 'AHAR:

Tesy tNank yoae :r. Presidant. %iii the sponsor yield

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for a question;

PRZSIDENT:

.. .indicates he gill yielde Senator dahar.

SC:àTQZ XàHAEZ

àccording to the records I have: ve took out thirty-tvo

thousand anG we're adding back 7.6. Xove that Goesnet a4d

that job back. does it?

TRSSIDZNTZ

Senator carroll.

SENâTOR CARROLLZ

It's a phase-ia 'of a currenkly vacaa't positioa so tàat

tkey could bave tNat job durtng-jàbk of'ihe'fiscai year.

PRCSIDENT:

senator daàar.

SC#AQOR HAHAR:

It should be tNen *ore tàan 7.6. shoqld it'not?

PRESIDEXT:

senator carroil.

S:XATOR CAZZOLLI

The original cqt gave them' a partlal year fuadiRg. Tàis

gives theœ the rest of the year so that thez caa Nave the ?an

on board tàe full year.

PQ:SIDZNT:

âll rigNt. Senator Carroll has Ioved tNe adoption of

Aaendœent xo.. 3 to Senate Bill 1405. Any fqztâer discussioa?

If noty. ail in favor signify br saying Aye. àl1 opposed.

'he lyes àave it. 1he anenGmeat is aGoptei. furtNer aMend-

ments?

ICTIXG SZCRZTâZII (:R. 'SQXàXDES)

xo furtNer aaendamnts.

PEESIDZNT:

3rd readiag. Qn t:e Order of Senate Bills 3rd EeaGing,

tàe ziddle of page 4. Senate Bill 14Q7. Senator Simls seeks

leave of. tNe Body to rekurn that bili to khe Order of 2nd

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ReaGing for purposes of an anenGment. Is leave graated?

Lea' ve ts graated. On the Order of senate Bills 2nd Aeaiinge

senate :i12 1407, /r. Secretarr.

ACTING SECRZTàZY: (MRk FERNAMDES)

àmeldnent No. 3 offered br senator Carroll.

PAISID:NTZ

senator Carrolo.

Szxà'oa Cà:20tLI

Thank youe :r. Presiient an; Ladies and Gentleuen of t:e

Senate. This is an adi-back to t:e onclaiœed Propertiea area

to allow for auGits an4 legal expenses in attexpting to

obtain for the state additlonal unclaimed properties from

various insarance compalies anG financial institqtions. I

goqld aove its adoptioa.

PEZGID:HT:

âny discussioa? .If note Senakor Carroll Qoves the adop-

tiou of âmendmeat :o. 3 to Genate Bill 1q07. âQi in favor

signify by saylag àye. âll opposed, 'he âyes àave it. T:e

amendœent is adopted. eûrther amendnentl?

àCTIXG 5EC22T1Rïz ('R. PZRXIXDCS)

xo furtàer amendments.

PR:SIDENTZ

3rG readingv Senator Schaffer on 1:09. On the Or:er of

Senate Bills 3rd Readiag is Senate BiAl 1B09. Senator

Sc:afler seeks ieave of t:e Body to Hetarn that biii to tke

OrGer of 2nG Eeading for pqrposes of an anendment. Is leave

ranted? Leage is graàted. On the Order of senate Biîls 2ad

Reading. Senate Bill 11109, Kr. Secretary.

àCTQXG SCCRZ'ItU IZ (KE. 'ERXIXD;S)

Aœendment :o. 3 offere; by senator Buzbee.

PAZSIDXXTZ

seaator Bqzbee.

SENàTO: BozBEcz

Thank yoa very œucày 1r. Preaideat. Tâis adds back one

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hundred and fortr 'housand dollars G2# cqt br àmendoent 2 aa

followsz restores seventy-eight thousan; one àundred dollars

turnover in âiring 1ag to budgeted legel an4 restores one

àaif of t:e PIPG reduction; ia t:e Contractual Services it

restores forky-four thousand dollars for legal feese confer-

ence expenses an: boarG member tragel; t:e Eqaipzent. it adds

'ifty-tvo hun4red dollars restoring-..grant requested office

equipment. In ot:er lines, it restores tvelve thousand seven

:undred Qollars adjusted to refleck tNe aervices restored.L .It deletes twenty-four thousand five Nundreâ dollars of the

Persoaal Servicee and related liae requests fro? eederal

funds to eliminate Facant positioas vità no vaiver. ind I

goul; move its adopàion.

PRESIDEN'I

All right. Senator Bazbee bas moFed t:e adoption of

àxend/ent Xo. 3 to senate Bill 1409. Any discussioa? If

aot; a1l - in favor sigaify by saying Aye. àil opposed. Tbe

àyes have it. T:e aaendmeat ls adopted. Farther amendments?

àW I'G SCCRE!C ARlz (:2. . PEQHAKDCS)

Ko furtàer ameadmehts.

PAESIDENTZ

3rG reading. on the Order of. Geaate Bills 3rd Reading,

senate Biii 1411. Senator navidson seeks leave o' the Body

to returû tkat bill to t:e order of 2ad Eeading for purposes

of aa axeadment. Ia leave graakedz Leave ia granted'. On

tàe ordez of Senate Bills 2nG Qeadinge Genate Bill 1R11# ;r.

Secretary.

&CTIXG SZCRST ARYI (XE. ?EENAXDZS)

Ameadment. No. 3 offered by senator Carroll.

PRESIDCXTI

senator Carroil.

5ENATOR Cà2ROILr

Thank rou. :r. President and Ladies and Gentlelen of tàe

Senate. tor the nistorical Library ve added back. the six

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monkà fqnding for a guide an4 alloved tkem a station wagon to

aove tâeir stuff aroundi I goald move adoption of Awendment

:o. . 3.

Senator Carroll kas zoved t:e adoption of A/endmeat Xo. 3

to Seaate B11l 1:11. Any discussionz If note al1 in favor

slgnify by sayiag Aye. . 11l opposed. T:e àxes have it. T:e

aœendmeat is adopted. Eart:er alend*ents?

ACTING SCCEETIRII ('R. PZRNAKDES) '

xo fqrther amendaents.

PRZSIDENTZ

3r; rea4ing. On tNe Order of Senake Biils 3rd zeading,' senate Bill 1q13. Senator Becker seeks leage of tbe 3ody to

return tâat bill to the OrGer o; 2nd for parposes of an

amendmeht. . Is leave granted? Leave is granted. on tàe

order o: senate silis 2nd Readiagv Senate Bi1l 1B13e dr.

Secretarl.

àCTISG SECEETAZTZ (82.,eERxl:DCG) '

Aaeadnent <o. % offered by Senator Carroll..

PRE5In:%Tz '

senator Carroll.

SEXATOR CAZEOLLZ

'hank yoqe :r. President an; Ladies anG Gentlezen o' t:e

. Seaate. TNis is aa add-back ia Groœp Iasnrancey--..printing,

Contrackualy 01 Equipment aaG other qsages of ::e 'ederal

funds in the Department on Labore Bureau of dlpioyœeat Secur-

ity and for its financiai Information Systev. I vould aove

adoptloa of àmendmeat No. %.

PRZSIDZNT:

Senator Carroll àaa moved the adoption of AmenGmenk No. 4

to seaate Biil 1433. xny discqssion? IT qot. all--.senator

Becker... if aote ail in faFor indicate by sayiag Aye. à11

opposed. Tâe àyes Nave it. T*e axendœent is a4opted.. eur-

ther amendzents?

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ACTING SZC/ZTARYZ (àR.,#2RNà:nES)

xo farther amendments.

PZZSID;XTZ

3rd reading. On the Order of SeLate Bills 3rd zeading. !

bottoa..-l'l sorryg Senator Becker.

SBNâTQR BECKEZZ

'. Thank yoùe :r. Prestdeat an4 aembers of t*e senate.

khile I spoke to Genator èarroli earlier about thls 1413, I

àad ao objectlons to t:e three million nine :undred anu

sixty-tvo thoupaad being reskored, but I Nave asked for addi-

tional information pertaining to k?o departlents that report

to tàe iabor DBpartmenty t:e :eai Sstate aad Private zzploy-

ment àgeacies. I Nave aske; tàe people connectei. vith this

departmeat to give me khis additonal inforœakioa. Soy if I

Gon't receive ike I *ay call t:e bill back to 2nG readtng for

an aidikional aaenâmeat. CThank you.

PRESIDEXTI

àll right. on the Order of Senate Bilis 3rd zèadiagy kùe

bottom of page % is Senate Bill 1:15. S'eaator Coffey seeks

leave of the 3ody to retura tàat bill to the order of 2n;

aeading for purp4ses of aa aœendment. Is leave granted?

Leave is granted. on tâe order of senate aills 2n4 Readiag,

Senake Sill 1:15.. 0âe I beg rour pardone Ie* skipping--oohe

okay. I'm Marking the? too fask. tet's do 1R15, tâen ve'li

go back to 1%...I'n gekting punchy qp tàere alreadg. 0n the

d o: Seaaté Biiis 2nd Readiage senate Bili 1R15e 8r.02 er

Secretary.

ACTING SECEETARYZ (:R.. PeR N*:DZ5)

Amendment xo. 3 offereâ by Senator carrolz.

PRZGIDEXI:

Senator Carroll.

SCXATOE CàEEOLLI '

Thank youe. :r. PresiGeht anë Laëies and Gentle/en of tNe

Senate. Tlis .is an add-back to allog them to operate a neg

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car that they ha4 bought. I uoqld Kove adoptlon of Ameadlent

xo. 3.

PRESIDENTZ

senator carroli œoves the adoptioa of àœendœent so. 3 to

Senate Biil 1415. àny ilacussion? If not, a11 in favor sig-

aify by saying àye. âll opposed. Tbe Ayes have it. 'àe

ameadKent is adopted. fartàer aMeadaeats?

ACTIXG SZCR r'àRl; (E2. TZENI:DES)

xo 'urther aaenioents..

PRZSIDEHTI

3rd reaGing. Oa :*e Order of Seaake Bills 3Id Reading is

Senate 3ill 1R14. Sena tor Sc haffer seeks leage of the Bodr

to return tàat bill to t:e Orier of 2nG âeading for 'lrposes

of aa aaendaent. Is leave granted? Leave is grant .1.. Oh

t:e Orier of Senate Billa 2n; ReaGinge Senafe Bill 1c14e :r.

Secretary.

ACTING G 'CRETARI; (A:. 'XRXâ:DES)

âmendmeat :o. 6 offered by Senator 3uzbee.

PRESIDESTZ

Senator Buzbee.

s2NàTO2 BGZBEEI

TNank roa. :r. Presideat. àwendaeat Xo. 6 restores

sixty-tgo thousaad one âuadred Gollars. 'àirtl-four 'càousand

six hundred of GRey tlenty-seven thousand five hgndred to

aoad faade ko the DeparEment of Lav Enforcemenk's #Y'83.T

budget as follovs: thizty tàoqsand dollars to tàe Dlviaion of

support services for printing an4 Eelecowmqaications; foqr

tâousand-..pardon >e: tàirtr-foar thoqsand s1x huudred

Goliars for the Financiai eraqd an4 forgery nnit foc Persoaai

Services and Retirement--.pardon *ee tNat#s onl'r forty-six

àuadred dollars; and tàen State Polâce for printing purposese

tventy-aevea khoasand five Nundred dollars out of m'le aoad

t unde a granë total add-back of slxty-tvo thoœaand one hun-

dred dollars: aad I woqld *ove tta adoption.

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PRZSIDENT: '. !

Senator Buzbee has noFed the adoption of àzendment Xo. 6 '

to senate Biii 1414. âny discussion? If noty all in favor

sigaify by saying Are. All opposed. TNe âyes have it. 2he

amendaent is adopted. 'urther azeFdzenta?

âCTING SZCRETARYI (da. 'CRNâKDES)

xo JurtNer amendaents.

3rd reai'ihg. On tàe Ordeè of Senate Bills 3rd Readiage

senake Bili 1416. Senator Thoœas seeks leage of tâe Body to

retarn tàat bill to t:e Order of 2n4 Reading for purposes of

an amend*ent.. Is leave graated; LeaFe is granted. 0n tàe

Order of Senate sills 2nG ReaGingy Genate 3ill 1416. 5r.

Secrekary..

ACTIMG SZCEZTARTZ (52.,'ZE:à:nCS)

lzendœent xo. 3 offered by Senator Carroll. .

PZESQDENT: '

Seaator Carroll.

SZ#ATOR CARQOLLZ :

'Naak yoqe Er. President and ladies and Gentlemen of the '

Senate. Because of t:e only seven positions ia this aqencyw

ue kad to ad4 back some of t:e productiFity' xonies. forty- '

fiFe hundred dollars. I gouid Move adoption of Amendaeat No.

*

PXESIDENTZ '

Senator Cacroil loFes the adoptioa of Amendzent Ho. 3 to

Senate Bill 1B16. Anr discussion? If noty aQl ia favor sig-

if y by saying Aye. àl.1 opposed. . Tlze Ayes bave it. TNe 'n

amendment is adopted. Yurtàer amendments? '

ACTING SZCEETAEII (:Q. EZENANDZS)

No further amendaents.

PRESIDEXTZ

3rd reading. Oa tàe Ordel of Senate Bills 3rd zeadiage

Senate 3ilI 1R18. Genator Eupp seeks leave of :he Body .+o

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return tâat bill to t:e Order of 2nd Rea4iag for purposes o'f 'l

aa aœendment. Is leave granted? Leave is granted. On tàe E

àill 1:18 :r.Order of Senate Bills 2ad Aeadinge Senate .:

Secretary. .

ACTI'G SZCRETâRTZ (:2. FSRXANDES)

àmenilent Xo. 5 offered by Senator Rupp. - '

PRESIDEXTZ !. i

SPEZYOX 2QPP- ' iq

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SCXàTOR RUPPI

Thank youe :r. President. 'iaes and Kinerals and tkis

restores tgo hqndled aad seFenkr-tvo thousand tàree hundred

Gollars; one thousand fro? General Revenqe Fund an; t4o kun-

' Gred and seFenty-one thoasand three hqn*red from Federal

xoney. The agency has nog recelved promi se for tâe rederal .

:service dineland Conkrol Acty and khis œoney restores the

reductions ln àaendmeata 1 an4 2, except the pay plan and

PIPS for the Digisi o? of the LaRG Aeciaxation.'

pRzslosxT;

All right. Senator--.senator Rupp Nas moved t:e adoption

of àmeaënent xo. 5 to Senate Bill 4418. âny discussioa? 1:

note all in favor signify by saring Aye. All opposed. T:e'

jAres hage it. ' Tàe aœendaent is adqpted. Turtàer a/eadaelts?

ACTIXG SCCEETARYZ (h:..#22ïâ:D2S)

àœenduent xo. 6 offere; sy senator Rupp.

PRESIDZXTZI

Senator Rapp..

SZXàQOR ROPPZ ' '

Tàank. youe ;r. Presidmnt. Tàe effect of this ageadœent

increases tNe pass-kàroagh of Pederal fûnds frol the---froz

the Depaltment of Aimes an; 'lnerals to the Department of

zaergy and Natural Resources for tàe lands uasuitaXle for 1ainiag program. It increases the Peraonal Servicee the '

zetiremente tàe Social Security and O perationsv aad I aak for

a favorable rolo cail.

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PREGIDEXTZ

Seaator Rupp :as moged the adoption of Aaendment 5o. 6 ko

senate Bili 1418. àny Giscqssioa? If note all in favor sig-

nify by saying àye. All opposed. Tàe âyes have it. The '

axendlent ia adopted. Tqrther aaeadments?

ACTING GZCEZTAaTZ (:R. FERxlND:5) '

xo fuzther amendIents.

PQCSIDEXTZ

3r; reaiing. 0a the Order of seaate Bills 3r; Eeadingy

Senate Bill 1419: :r. Secretary. senator ztâeredge seeks

leave of t:e Body to retura tNat bill to t:e Ordef of 2nd

aeaiing for purposes of an axeaGment. Is leave granted? On: .

ke Order of Genate Bills 2nd Reading, Senate Bi1A 1419. Kr.

ecretary.

..'..CTIXG SECQC'IIARIZ (:R. FCRNAXDZS)

âmendzeht No. 3 offere; by Geaator Carroll.

PEZSIDZNT:

Senator Carroll.

SZNATOR CAEQOLLZ

Thank you. 8r. President aad tadies and GentleKen of the

Senate. This is a aGd-back dqe to a miscalculatioa of fif- '

teen khoqsand six Nandred. I loqld nove adoption of àaead-

uent No.. 3. .

PR:SIDZNTI. .

Seaator Carroll :as moved the adoptioa of à/eAdmmnt No. 3.ï

to Senate Bill 1419. âny. discussioa? If note ai1 in favor

signify by aa yiag âye. âll opposed. The àyes have it. The

uzeadment is adopted- , Purt:er aœendmentsz

ACTING SECZCTAEX). (5:. 'ERXIXDEG)

ïo further aœendaents.

PZESIDZNTZ '

3rd reading. Oa t:e Order of Senate Biils 3rd zeading. '

senate Bili 1420. Smnator soâœer seeks leave of tàe Body to

retarn tàat bill to tàe Order of 2nd aeading for purposes of

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aa aaeadœent. Is leaFe graated? IeaFe is granked. On t:e

Order of Senate Bills 2ad Readiag: Senate Bill 1420. :r. '

Secretary. Qe.-othe Secretary does not àave an amendxent for

1 1120

ACTING SZCRETATTZ (/R-.YEXKAXDZS)

Amendment :o. 5 offered by Senator Carroll.

PRESIDENT:

àeuator carroll.

SZ#ATOR CAREOLL:

gelly I thank you. 5r. PresiGênt and tadies aad Gentoemen

of the senate. This is aa add-back for a zanager and secre- '

tary in tàe àilision of Groap Insarance Benefits. I uoul;

œove adoption of âmendment No. 5.

PRESIDENTZ

Senator carroll has moved t:e adoption of lzendment :o. 5

. to Eenate 3ill 1420. âay discusaion? If note all in favor

signify by saying'Aye. A11 opposed. Tke àyes haFe it. The

ameadment is a4opted. Fqrtàer amendxentsz

AW IXG SECRET àRXI (:R. FERXAXDZS)

xo further amendments.

PRESIDEXTZ

3rd readingz, Oa the OrGer of Genate Bills 3rd Qeaiing is

Senate 3il1 1:25. Senator Bloo? seeks leave of tàe Bodr to' return that bill to tNe Order of 2nd aeading for pqrposês of

an amendaent. Ip leave grantei? Leave is granted. Oh tâe

OrGer o; senate Bills 2nd aeaiingœ Senate Bill 1425, :r..

Secretary.

ACTING SZCRZTARY: (:E. 'ZRXAXDES)'

d t Mo 4 offered b/seaator carroll.àmen mea .,P/ESIDZATZ

Senator Carroll.

S:NATOR CAEROLLZ

Tuank youe 5r. Presiâent an4 Ladies and Gentiemen of the

Selate. This is an adi-back of tàrem EDP and tvo investi-

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gative 'positioas that :ad been offered since tàe blll caae

oat of comaittee. I xoul; œove adoptioa of àaendleat xo. 4.

PRESIDEATZ ;

. Senator Carroll :as Iove; tke adoption of àïeRdment No. %

. to Genate B&ll 1:25. Any discussion? If note all in favor

- sigqtfy b# saying Aye. #ll opposed. The àyes àave it. TEe' :er amen4uentaa 1a xeauœent is adopked- eqrt

âCTING SECRETâZZ: (8R. TZRWINDDS)

No furtker aKendâents.

PRZSIDESTZ I!

f senake Bills 3rd Reading is '3r; reading. 0a tNe Order o

3ill 1426 Senator Davidson seeka leave of t:e Body' '' ' - ' -senate .

to return that btil to t:e order of 2n4 aeading f or purposes

!of aa amendment. Is leage grantei? Leave is granted. oa r

tâe order of seaate Bllls 2nd ieadlngw Senate Biil 1426, 8r..

secretary.

ACTIXG SECRETARII7 (dR. 'ERXAXDZS)

' àœendxent No. 3 offere; by Senator Carroll.

PRZSIDEXTI

Senator Carroll.

SZSZQOR CARZOLLI '

i ident aad La4ies and Gentlemen of tNe iuank yoae xr.. Presseaate. àmendmeat xo. 3 is.--as veeve ione vitN ail tâe

otuer saaller ageacies. it:s aa add-back vithin k:e PIPS

because tàey oaiy Nad five employeese kventy-nine àundred.

I#G xove its adoption.

PAESïDZXTZ '' j

seaator carroll has Moved tNe adoptioa of âmeniment No. 3

to senate Bili 1426. àny Giscussion? If noty ali in 'avor

signify br sa ying lye. A1l. opposed. Tke âyes :ave it. T:e

amendxent is adopted. further ameadments? i

ACTING SECRETAET: (dR. 'ERNAXDES)

ïo further aœendments.

PRZSIDEKT;

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3rd readiag. On tâe order of Senate Bills 3rd Reading is

senate 5:21 1427. . senator xeat seeks'leave of t:e Bodr to

retara that bill to th/ order of 2nd aeading for purposes of

an aœendzeat. Is teave.grdnted; Leave is grantei. Oa tàe

Order oCf Senate Bills 2nd Readipg, Seaate Bill 1427, :r.

Secreta ry.

âCTING SZCRZTAQZZ (:2. 'CRNANDCS)

âmendxent xo. 5 offered by senator Buzbee.

PZZSIDENII

senakor Euzbee.

:exATua Bizgczz

Tàaak yoqe Kr. Preyidvnt. This is a restoration of one

: œndred forty-five thousanG selen Nundred dollars .to insaxe

certification of t:e Yeteran's Home by the Veteran's àâœiais-

trakion and for Neêicarp. ând I voul; lo#e its adoption.

PRSSIP:KTZ

Seaator Bqzbee loves the adoption of àzendment :o. 5 to

Senake Bili 1427. ànr dlscqssionz If aot, all in favor sig-

nify by saying àye. âil opposed. Tàe âyea have i:.. ':e

a/eadmelt is adopted. further a/endaents?

ACTING SECEETâZYZ (M2. TERXâXDCS)

xo furtàer azendmeats.'

PZZSIDZHTZ

3r; reading. Qn khe Order of Senate 3:lls 3rd Readinge

Senate Bill 1445. senator Soxaer seeks leage of tàe Bod; to

retarh that bill to the Orier of 2nd Reading for purposes of

an aaepdment. gàere is tNe good Senator? âll rigNte vedil

get back to tNat ohe. 0n tke Order of-..if rou#ll tarn to

page 6. Senatol Carrolle is there an aœeadment to 1516? A11

righux, Is tâere an aaendment. Genator. Bazbeey to 1525? lll

right. on t:e Order of Senate.-.vait a minute.w.on tàe order

of senate Bills 3rd Reading is sehate Bill 1525.. Senator

Buzbee seeks leave of the Body to return that biil to the

ûrder of 2nd Reading foz purposes of an aœmadoent. Is leave

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grante4; Ieave ts grante4. on the order of senate aills 2nd

aeading. senate Biil 1525, :r. secretary.

àCTING sacazTAaïz (:a. Fzaxàxnzs)

àwendment :o. 1 offere; by Senator Bqzbee.

PaZSIDE#TZ

Senator Buzbee.

SCNATOR BBZBCZ:

T:ank yoae Kr., Presideat. This adds five Iiilion dollars

G2# for scieatific an; technological eguipment purcbases at

coamunity colleges and public qniversities in ,::83. The

,::83 :Re budget recömmended..-recoœœen4ation iacluded four

xillion foqr handred sixty-eight thousand eigàt huniked

dollals foc scientific equipleat replace; at public universi-

tles. TNe Governoz#'s budget eliminates the funds. This is

reguested by tke society of Professional Engineers in tàis

State and the breakoût ls as follovsz six hqndred tNoûsaad

to co/muaity colleges; seventy-seven thousand to Câicago

State; a Nandred aad qinety tâousand to Eastern; thirty-eigàt

tNoqsan; to Governor's st#te; a huadred sixty-niae thousand

ko xorkheastera Illinois; tàree àundre; tgenty-tvo làolsaad

to xeskern; t#o Nûadred tNirty-seven thousand to Illiaois

statei. three Nun4red five thoûsand to xorthera Illinois;

eighty-sevea thousand to 'sangazon State; seFen àundred seven-

ty-five thoasaa; to southern Illinois iliversity aad tvo mil-

lioa tvo Nœndred thousaad to the Gniversiky of Iliinois for a

total of flve miollon 4ollars. ând I vould aove its adop-

tion.

P:ESIDEXTI

senatoz Buzbee ùas xoFed t:e adoption of âmendment' xo. 1

to Senate Bill 1525. Any discusslon? Senakor Rhoads. Sena-

tor Som/er.

SZNATO: SOddZRJ

Tâank youe. dr. President. As I uaierstand tbise tàia is

an unbudgeted ite? for t:e uaiversities. You kind od vonder

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vhea the universikies are going to guit around kere.

Cferybody else is taking cuts aad they keep addiag. and add-

ing, and adding. TNis is another uabqdgete; five lillion

dollars not reco*mende; by tbe Board of nigher Education.

TNereforee I wouid suggeat that those gNo can voqld vote xo

on tàis thing. àad a roll calle 8r.. president.

PQESIDENTZ

âl1 rigàt. . Eenator Buzbee Nas moved t*e adoptioa of

àmeadlent No. 1 to Senate BiA1 1525. Any furtàer discussion?

'ese Sehator Buzbee for wàat purpose io yoa ariae?

SZWATBE 5pZDEEz

%ell. on a. point of order. T:e Genklewan can disagree if

he Goeshêt like t:e concept bqt Ne's got to be accurate in

:is facts. T:e Boar; of nigher Edqcation. in facte 4i4

reconmend this amounty an; secondoye t:e univeraities did not

request ENis add-back. Senato'r Goxzer. The request was froa

tàe Society of Professianal Zagineers due to the fact of t:e

deterioration of alQ of tàe scieàtific equipmênt in these

engiaeeriag scNools accoss tàis State. The universities :ad

aothing to Qo with tâis gkatsoevery tàis is the Society éf

Professional :ngineers an4 my idea, and a iev .folks think

it#s a good idea. So. I just xanted to set t:e record

skraigàt.

PR;SIDING OFPICERZ (SEKATOR GIViCIAS)

The Iliihois Iaformatïon System requests per*ission to

take stili pàotos. Is leave graated; Leave is granted.

senakor Ge o-Karis.

SENANOR GEO-KARISI'

:r. PresiGente oa a poiat of-e.of personal privilege. Qe

kave with as toiay' in kâe President's gailer; tàe President

of the Saint 'herese Eospital...

PRESIDIXG OFPICZEI (SENATO/ SàVIC;âS)

Qaitg Senator... gaiu .-ve:re oa an azendment right nov.

@ould you jast wait.

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SZAàTOR GED-KàQI5z !

O:e I#2 terribly sorryy 1:11 Wait œy turn.

PRESIDIXG OFFIC:RZ' (SCHàTOR SIYICKAS)

Seaator Bqzbeee I'm aorry. gould yoq-... Senator Buzbee

moves the adoption of àzendœent No.,1 to Senate Biii 1525.

àà12 tkose in-e-a roll call has been reqaested---roll calo h s

been zeqqeskeâ. àl1 tbose in favor of aGopting àzenâment 5o.

1 to Senate Bill 1525 vill vote Aye. Those oppose; vote Nayt

2àe voting is open. eor wàat parpose does senator Grotberg

acise? nave ail voted vào vish? iaFe a11 Foted uho wishz

Eave ali Foked gào vish? Take t:e record. on tàat question

t:e àyes are 28# the Kays are 29. none Voting Piesea.t. I*e

' axeadxenk haviag failed to receive a majority vote is

Geclarmd lost. âay further amendœents?

ACTIXG SZCQZTASXI (:R.,TZ2Nà%DCG)

. xo f azther amendments. :

PZZSIDING GFTICCAI (SCNATOR SàVICKAS)'

3r4 readinq.. Senator Geo-Karis.

SZXXQOS GZO-RARISI

:r. Presi4eat anG Ladies an; Gentleoen of tàe seaate, ,

it's a..-on a point of persoaal privilege. It's I;' pleasure

to introduce a nq*ber of constitueatse Fery proœiient onesy

''

v:o ' are sitting in the President's gallery. Sister 'azyana,

tAe PresiGent of Saint Therese Rospitalw Qaqkegane vNich is

' t:e largest hospi tal in Lake Coanty.. Sister iavier. tàe

Vice-presideate Siater Depaasi aad hary Jeaa-.-/ho is on t:e

Board oï Directorsy and Hrs. .dary Jean Falconer tàe Vice-

president of st. Therese Hospitaly vhich is not only one of

t:e fiâest Nospitais in Lake Coanty bqt in tbe gàole countr#q 2I'

a tàey're in. tNe Presideatgs gallecr. And in addition, I !

goql; like ko also introdqce leverend Harry Qilson, Perry

. Payae and Barbara Gordon. gho is tNe head od our Citizea's

Actioa Project in Lake County. ànd tàere's one Jther ladytheree bqt I donêt have âezo--her naze. Is it 'rs. Payne;

?age 29 - dAT 26. 1982

!

l ;goald rou ali stand qp..

PZESIDI'G O'FICCZ: (SCXATOQ SAVICXIS)I

Woœld tàey please rise and be recognized. On the Order

of senate Biil 1%45. On t:e Grier of 3rd Eeadilg. Senate

3iil 1445. Senator Somwer seeks leage of the Body to call it ' I

back to the Order of 2nd Reading foT purpose of aïendment.

Is leaFe granted? teave is granked-w.senator Somler. secre-

tary please read LNe bill.

ACTIXG SZCEET KElz (;E. TCRKàNDES) 1

àzendzent :0.,6 offered b; Seaator Philip. l. . I

PRESIDING O#FIC2RI (SXXATOR SAVICZAS)

Senator--.senator P:ilip. .

SENA'OR PEILIPZ

Tbaak yoqy Er. PresiGeat and Ladies and Gentleâen of the. i1Senate. This is a reappropriation of tvo millàon tàree hua-

Gred elghty tâousand dollars to the Space Needs Coamisaion

for ongoing laad acquisitioa. I move its adoption.

ZR:SIDING O'TICEE: (SZNâTGE SATICKAS)

Is there any discussion? If aot. Senator Phllip movesI

the adoption of àmeadoent Xo. 6 to Senate Bill 14:5. Those in 1favor in4icate by saying Aye. TNoae opposed. The Ayes haFe

iti àmendaent xo..6 is adopted. ànr fuzther amendaents?

âCTIXG SECRCTIRYI (;/. TE2#1:DE5)

àzenâœent xo. 7 offered by Senator Simœs.

IP/ESIDING OFPICERZ (SZ#ATOS SAVICKAS) I

Senator Siams.

SCKATOR SIKNSI

:r. President ahd Ladies an4 Gmntlemen of tàe Senatew. I

have a technical aaendment for kwo items that have been

appropriated. One is technical amendxent for the. 3roadway l!

' jArnory in Chicago for tàe refurbishlng and the secoad one is I

tNe..-the coapletioa to-.-of t:e Eockford hcadeœic Ceater..

tNe kitle to be held by NortNezn Ilzlaols Bniversity. I

lould move for tàe...adoption of Aaendœent No. 7 to Senate

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Bill 111115.

PEZGIDIXG OFFICCZ: (SXNATOR SAVICKAS)

Is tNere any discassion? If note Senator Siams moves t:e

adoption of Aœendmeat :o. 7 to Geaakm Bi1A 1445. Those ia

favor indicate by sayiag âye., Those opposed. T:e lyes have

it.. àmen4lent xo. 7 is aiopte4.wâny farther aaendmentso

ICTIXG SCCRETARYI (:R. 'CRSASDES)

àmendment No.,8 offered 3y Senator Somœer.

PZZSIDING 0r#IC22z (SZRATOR SAVQCKAS)

Senator Sommer.

SENATO: SONHERZ

'Nank youe hr. President. lbis is a purely tecknical

amendaent and I œove its adoptioa.

PRZSIDIXG OFPICEQZ (5::àT02 Sâ#ICZàS)

senator Soxmec moves t:e adoption of àmendxent No. 8. Is

there any discussion; oa that qqeskione those in favor indl-

cate by sayiag ày/. Those opposed, Xax. '*e Ayes have it.

âReaduelt :o. 8 is.adopt/4. àny farther amendments'

àCTI:G SECRETA:TZ (IE. 'ERNAXDES)

xo'further amendmeats.

PRRSIDIXG OPPICCRZ (SZXATOE SàYICKâS)

3rd reading. Oa the Or4er of Senate 31lls 3rd Reading.J

Senate B1lQ 1606. Senator Bruce seek-.-for vhat pqrpose does

Senator Vadalabene arise?

S2XATO; VADALABEXCZ

ïese I'Fe been requeste; to picx ap Rouae Bill 2599, and

I qnderstan; tNat seaitor-..senator darovitz Nas already

picked it up. :ow do I handle tàat sitaationz

PXESIDIXG OPFIC2RJ (5CNl'02 SâVICXâS)

If the Rouse sponsor wiii notify in writing the Secretary

of the Senatey tke-..the càange vilA be effected.

P/ESIDEXTZ

Senator Vadalabene, for what pqrpose do you alisez

SENATOR VADALABZNXI

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i

Ies, I .vaated---also had another point I wanted to bring '

qp. On aouse Bill 1655, Senatoz Grokberg as a joint sponsor.. '

, jPRZSIDZNTZ

' Al1 right., Senator Fadalabene seeks leave to sàow sena-

tor' Grot bezg as a joint sponsor of Eouse Bill 1655. Leave

graatekz Senakor Blooa. for vàat purpose do you arise?

scxâeoa 5L00:I

Point of personal privilege.

PaSSInEN'Z

' Yese Gire state yoqr poiat.

SD:ATOR BLOOS:

' Yea, Sir. 1r. Presideatz Seated &n t:e Presidentes' gal-

lery is a delega tion frox Saiat.Francia Hospital ia œy com-

xaaity.. TNey..-tNey do fine vork and 1...1 vonder if they';

stan; aa4 be recognized. Sisterse fellovs.

PRESIDENT;

@ilA oar gaests--.oqr gnesta please stan; and be recog-

nized. gelcoxe to Spriagfield. ' âll right. TNe Eecretary is

' preparing an adiltional' list Wit: respect to recali bïlls of

a snbskankive natare and ge:ll get :ack to tNak order oï

.' busiaess later. :e *&Al begin again--.on the orGer of Senate

Bills 2nd Readiag. ànd I loild realnd the aeœbershipe if we

. need remindingy tàat it is Wednesdary :ay 26. 0a tàe Order

of Senate Bills 2nd zeadinge Senaàe BiAi 1202. Senator Càev.

Aii right. seaate Bili. 1231. Senitoc Saagmeister. 0n tNe

Order of Sehate Bllis 2nd Readingy Senate Bioi 1231. Eead

k:e biil. xr. secretary.

ICTIXG SECEZTIZYI (d2. PERXAXDES)

Sea#te Bil.'t 123 1.

(Secretary reads title of bill)

2a4 readlng of t:e bili. The Committee on Judiciarr 11

offers one amendment.

- PR:SIDEgTZ

- ' Senator sangaeister.

- :AY 26. 1982

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SZNàTOE SANGXSISTERZ

Yese at this tixe. :r. President. I goqld aoFe tàat we

Table Commitkee àmeniment No. 1 becaase it's been encoopassed

kn Floor âmenduent No. 1.

PEESIDEXT:

à1l rigkt.. Senator Sangmeister Roves to Table Cozmittee

àmendmeht No. 1 'to Senate Bili 1231. àny discqsaion? If

not, all'in favor signify by saying lye. àll opposed. T:e

Ayes have it. Aaendment No. 1 ïs Tabled. Farther azendments?

ACTING SECRZIARI; (5R. 'ERNI:DBS)

imendœeùt No. 2 offered by Senators Saagzeister aad

. ëarovitz.

PRESIDEXT:

senakor saagmeister.

szxAToa SANGK*ISTERZ

:r. President, copmittee lmendœq ato..eloor zmendment :o.

1 encox passes practlcally everythiag that *as in Coaaittee

AIendmeat #o. 1 except ge added a fev additions to it Fàich

I would be willing to explain if you want toe or ue can leave

it for 3rd reaiing.

PRZSIDEWTI

It is...

SlxâTo: SAXGECISTCQZ '

at tWls tize Ied Kove...

PRESIDXATZ. @. .

Okay, it is techaically Aze'ndment :0.. 2. 1 waa Tabled.**e

S2N1TOS SâNGdXISTZS:

I'* sorrr, youtre righte No. 2-

PRESIDZNTI '

' Okay. âll rigàu Senator Saugmeister Ioves the adoptio?

of Alendment Xo. 2 to Senate Bill 1231. àn; discuasion?

Senator Deângelis.

5ENAT0R DeAXGELISI.

. v -question of tàe sponsor.

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PRZSIDZNTZ '

Indicates be vill yield. senator geàngelis.

GCNATOR DeANGELISI '

Is the aûtomatic traasfer of juveniles to t:e ddalt court

stiil in the biil vith àzendment Nù. 2?

PEESIDCNTZ '

Senator Sangaeister.

SESATOR SàXG:EISTERZ ''

' ':e ansver is yes. '#

PRESIDEAT;

Senator DeAngelis.

SCïâTO2 DeàXGCLIG:

gelly I wiil reser/e ay Gebate then for 3rG readiag.

T/ZSIDZXTZ

âll rigàt. âny ïqrther Giscqssion? Senator sangleister .

:as moved the adoptioa of zmendœeat xo.. 2 to Senatq Bill .

1231. . If kàere is no Giscussion, a11 ia fagor si:nify by

saying àye. àll opposed. The lyes àale it. 'Ne azendleat is

adopted. . rurtàer a*eadmeats? :

ACTING SZCECTAZYI (:2. FER:AXDEG)

lmendzent #o. 3 offered :r Senator 'etscà. .

PRZSIDZSTI' ' '

Senator Xetsch.

Yea. I àave'tvo amend*ents and the.e.l'o trring to.--let ' .

me find t:e nqmber of t:e one tàat I voqld like to Nage-..be

offere; filst. Jqst a seconG.

s .enator Xetsch.

SZXATQR NETSCHI'

It is Refereace Bureaa 8205258G19V1/01. Do you bave

tkat? skay.

PEESIDCST:

All right. senator Netsc: oa Aaendment Ko. 3.

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SZNATOR XZISC;Z . ' ''

j'hank youe 5r. Presideat. àaendnent No. 3 offers an I

alternative to that wbich is.baslçally incorporated in tNe

bill. Instead of autoaatic traasfer for the designated '

crimes. it provldes for au'towatic beariag before the judgey

ïor no1 exactaly the aame nqaber of crimes: :<t for a similar

liste and I vill iientify vàlch they are. Kqrder, rape, arzed I

robbery while armed vità a firearœ or aggragated arsoa. TNe

reason for tàis is tâaty #e1le several fold. Oney I suppose

is just siœply philosopâical. There are tâose people vào are

involve; with tNia series of issues wNo 4o not feel that the

traasfer into the adult srstem ougkt' to take place aukomati-

cally gitàout any àearing or reviev oa the part of a judge' I. . j#ho ul tixatelz àas some responsibility. The Judgese of '

coursey vill coRtinue to Neaz reguests for transfer in tàose

categories of criKe that are aot autoœatically to be trans-

ferre; under this bill. It is aa..-it is so/evhat

troublesoœe because ik does lean that t:e sole discretione

the sole judg/eaty if roq will, about v:etàer a pazticqlar

matter iso--sàoal; be auto*atically ia the adult systen or

Rot ise in effect. left vith t:e charging police officer or

the prosecuting aktorney. àn4 again. ii ia not sublect to

anr fora of revieg. I ion't tâink anyone at the aoxent

really knovs vhetNer this system or tàe one that is reflected

in Seaator Sangmeiater:a amen4meat is going to reault in more

convictioas of tàose jqvenilea *:o aree in fact. violentIoffenders. ànd incidentlye thq..ekhis àmeadmeat'is in no way I

' j4isagrees vith t:e basic preMise that tkere are a number of

jqveniles vào are violeat offenders. and vho oqght not to be

sqbjectede if you lille to tàe. juvenile coart syste? but

onght to be part of the reguiar criwinal court system. It

jast is siapiy a aeans af identifying Nov they are to gem

iato tàat systeœ anâ basically ?:p ia ko œake khe Gecision.

It's a choice between tàe charging officer or t:e juvenile

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jqdge. àad. pkilosopKicallg. &t seeœs to Ie tàat tàere oqgàt

to be soxe reviev by the presldlng juFeaïle judge and that is '

vKat tNis aKendlent ls intended to offer as an option.

PQESIDZXT: .

*l1 rigNt. Senator Netsch àas œove; tNe adoptioa df '

âmeadaeat No. 3 to Senate Bili 1231. Discussion? senator

Geo-Karis.

End of Reel

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a:xt #2.

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- SENATOE GZG-KAZISZ '

I doa't have a copy of that ameadment. but aayvay i: k:e

speaker would yield for a qqestion?

PRZSIDZNII

Indicatës She Wili rield. Senator Ge o-Kazis.

SEVITOZ GZO-KARIS: ' '

If tNak is.-.if I a* 'correct, the bill yhicà.-.to vàich

you are speakiag is tàe one that provided tbat minors at the

age of flfteen and upvards voald aqtomatlcally be tried by

tNe adœlk coarts for ac/ed robberry rape and Kuzders. Is

that correct?

PRESIDESTI

Senator Xetach.

SEXATOZ 'ATSCHZ

ïes. that ia. I believee the substance of Senate Bill

1231 as it kas nog beea a *ended by Senator Gaagmeister.:

PREZIDZNTZ

seaator Geo-Karis.'

SENATOZ GEO-KARIS:

. . -khe aaendaent of wàich you speake vhich is your a/end/

xenty is that correct? It farther amends the b11l...I didn't

qaite get the gist of it with everyoae runniag in and oat of

here, so coul: you jqste-.jqst gige me a one line càaage that

you' laGe. DiG you sar. in effect, maybe I understood it,

k that the Minor coqlë gaive àimself back ko khe jqgenile

coart;

PRESIDZXTZ

Seaator Hetach.

SEAATOR NETSCHZ

'oe that ia Rot what this aœendment vàlch yoû are now

considering ieals vith. @àa t it does. senator Geo-Karis, is

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tö substitute an aato*atic hearing before thè coœrt for auto-

matic traasfer wità respect to a siœilar list of violent

offenses.

PRESIDEN'Z

Fqrt:er Giscusslon? Senator DeAngelis.

SZXATOE DeàxG2LI5z

Tàank yohe :r. President. I rise wità great trepidation

in support of tàis amenizent. Seaator Netscb and usually

are not on the same side on juvenile court issuese bat on

tkis onee I woul; like' to side wità her. The probleœ vith

1231. aa4 reaiiy tkis is kbe only problem with it. it's a'n

'1. d bill is tàe fact tNat it realljk-'' '-''''''extreme y goo . ..

PRESIDEITZ

Pardon mee Senator. :ilA t:e Keœbers please be in their

seats and tbose aot entitled ko the floor please find soue-

vhere else to congregate. kill those not entitled to the

Ploor please find soaeghere else.. Senator Deângelis.

5:5ATOR DeAXGXLISZ

The problem is basicaiiy tNat..-ia 1231 we are essea-

tially riding juvenilese ia this particulaz provisione oqt o;

the Juveniie court system. meriod. 11 otNer vords, we're

Going a complete bypass: and ao? veere sayins that juveniles

age fifteen and older for certaia criles are no longer jaFe-

niles an4. must autoxaticaliy go to the adult court. :og

1...1 knov that the court %as shown lenienc; in tàe past in

dealing vith vlolent offenders aa far as tryiag Nhez as

aduits, but I don:t belieFe that a co*plete by/aas is a soiq-

tion. I think juveniies are stiil jiveailes. an; tàe juve-

nile coart sàould kave k:e first shok at them. ând this

bill.-.kàis ameadment doesy in facty force a Nearing on tkeir

traasfer. So I staad ia support of Seaator NetscN's aaend-

aent.

PRESIDEST:

Fqrther discqssion? Senator sovers.

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i

Tkank zoqy 'r.' Pzesideut. I rise in opposition to the

aœenG/ènt, obvioaslz. ànd I'G like to call tâe Body's atten-

tion to d couple of things tbat see? :to Ke âavenlt been !

empàaaized safficiently.. @e talk about llqvmnilesl, Weêre

talkiag about t*o years-.mfifteen-..fifteen and aboge, so in

effect: fifteen. sixteen aad seventeen Aear olds, aad ue#re .

talking about tâat age groap thak is cbarged vit: murder:

rapev or arme; robbery. :ov I suggest to yoqe if yoq vant to. !

call khe: juvenilesy and if you want to pretead tàey#re ïuve- .

nilesy tâat4s flnee but qnder today's society and todayls

i:tal acts tàat these people are coœmktting. I don't thiaksoc

they oqgkt to be treated that vay. ând a21 weêre reazly

sayihg Nere is t:at this lixite; group of people shoul; be

tried aa adultse and as part of the reasoning behlnd this, ve

' *ad teytimohy before a sqbcowxitteee ve#ve Nad numerous mat-

tera calle; to our attention vàere àhe jqvenile courtsy in

Fery, very aêrioas maàters siaplj refuse; to refer theœ totàeo.sto the criœinal coqrtsg and because of t:ese refusals,

velge come back now uit: t:e aœto*atic transfer. ànd I see'' lo reason---no reason at all why people ia tàis category

shouiâ bè' treated as lsu#enilese/ and I uoul; bope we woql;

Gefeat this anendment.

PRCSIDING OPFICCRI (SEXATDR GIVICKAS)

SEXàTOR JZREKIAH JOICZ:7 .

TNank youe dr.. PresiGent. 1. tooe.'rlse ia opposïtion to

tkis aœend/enk. I tNink the propoaents of thia aaea4zeat are

ignortng the realitles of' vàat is going on outside of tkis

chamber. ge are going to.-.if ue are going to transfer these

javenilesq and ve're ialking aboqt tKose types of persons and

those trpes o2 criaes as stated by Senakor Bowersy to

try---to pat in aaot:er step to put in a hearing creates such

a-.-a-e-a burden on tàe wâole aystemy now ye w111 be iato *:e

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!issue or tàe question of vàetàer or Rot there #asw.-qthe hear-

ihg prior to transfer *as fairy whetàer or not there ?as suf- '

ficient due process for tNe defendaat. Re *il1 be lltigaking

aa4 a.ppeallnge and qp and âovn tke ludtcial regiev process oa I6

tNe questioa of keariag before ve eveR get t*e javenile ia !

front of a--.in front of a judge oa tâe question of---of the I

substantive crime. I am strohgly oppose; to tNis. I tàink . I

if.-.if this goes ine it defeata the Fery purpose of tNe bill Iian4 I goql4 ask yoùr sapport.(

PZESIDING OFTICZRI (SCXàTOR SAYICKàS)' senator Ddàrco.

SEHâTON D#ànCO: . '

. . ' . j

Thank roqy dr-.president. 1. rise. in support of àlend/ent

Xo. 3. . Senator Xetscà .and nïselî lerê the onlz tvo people oa '

the JuGiciary 11 Cozzittee not to. Fote for tàe automati? '

transfer. àn4 I just feel that tàe scope of tàe iaclqslonz 'xithin tNe aukomatic kransfer arq nucN too broad. surderv I '

caa uaderstaad that, if-..if you vant to transfer a fifteen

to sevepkeen year ol; to tàe feloax court vithoqt a âearin:

ia juveaile court i; Ke is charged wità a aurder *ay be#

qlier tàose circumstancesy it aay be justifiable. Bût vàeh

yoq gant to charge a jqvenile, fifteen to seventeeR year oid.#bo has been allege; to coluit an-armed robbery. 2 tNink

becaase of the.v.the Gegrees of.w.ofy. I don't knogy ghat#a

kAe rlgà: vord--wz'm lookiag for a vord--.ba: ara/d robber; '

can coastitute almoat anythiag. It could constitute a persoa

assalting anotàer person with a baseball bat and in tâe pzoc-

ess stma bng :is wallete and tàat kould coaskitute a armed

robbery. xow. yoq.-.4o roq. uant that young peraon to go

before a feloay court an4 be tried as a a4alt felon? I Iean.

that's tâe qqestion. I tNink they oger exteaded the scope of

t:e crimes thak could be constitate; enoqg: to go to felony

courte aad I voald rise in...support of àmendaent go.,3.

PRZSIDING QPPICERZ (SEXATOE SAVICKAS)

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Senator Collins.

SIKATOR COLIINS:

Thank you. 'r. PresideRt. I rise in support 0f this

azendmeRt. tooe becaase I feei that the amend/ent is: ih

facty. a reasonable comprolise. I think Senator g'àrco basic-

ally expressed my seltiaents, because 1. too. feel tàat tâe

scope of tâis bàil is---is just too far. Ie for onev io not

vant to coddle crimiaals...hardene; criminalse and I do

realize t:e necessity for qs to try and do souetàing about

t:e gang-bangera and tàoae youths vho get avay un4er disguise

of being zoqth. an4 w:o coamits serioas an4 Nideous crize.

:ut z ihiak thts bill goes too :ar as it &s. and I thimk this

amendaeat isv ia fact. a reasonable comproxise. Hov, i; all

tàlngs vere egaal in this coqatry. if eFeryoae received egual

protection qnGer t:e lagy then maybe ue coal; Go something

like kNis a'nd our coascience goul; be clear that everybody

voql; receive justicee tàat is aot t:e case. So ve Nage to

operate uaGer tàe szstem tsat ve are uader vketser ve lixe i+

or not. Aad I tâiak this is a fair comprozise, aad I ask for

yoar favorable sqpport of this a/endmeat.x

PR;SIDIXG OFFICCR: (SENITOR SAFICKAS)

Senator saigzeister.

SEXàIOR SAXGKEISTERZ

Thank yoq. .5z.. Presideat. qake tNe Body alare that tàis

is a com*ittee bill. tâis di4 aot come aloœnd lightly. :e had

kearings throqgàout t:e state of Illinoisy took a lot of

testimoay an4 this ia a very difficult--.premise on ghich t'o

:age to legislate. Soy the com*lttee has takeny. I thinke a

odest amproac:g we are only taking it ol fourteen an2verz a

fifteeh zear oldse e li mi nating the tàirteea year ol4sy and

tkat's oaly for the târee crimes of QurGere rape and arœed

robbery. This is an approacà ve t:iak ge ought to start in

Iilinois and ve oaght to take a good look at. Tàis amead-

xeate of course. if adoptedv turns tàe whole sitaation

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aroand. and I rise in oppopitlon to it. ânG I only wish t:at

Senat-or xetscN, as a member of that committeee vould. Nave

'subzitted tbese aRendaents in co*aittee so' that We gould hage

ha4 a chance to 4iscuss them .there. because this.--did coae

out'as a committee :ill 9-2, ve think it is someth ing that

oqght ko stay in tts exact for. anG I dppose any càanges to

t:e bill in tie form of tbis amendment.

PEESIDING O'PICZZZ (SENATOR SâVICKAS)

Senator 'arovitz.

SZXATOR SAZOVITZI

Tâank roq verr auc*. :r. Presideat and Ladies and

Gentleœen of the senate. I.w.I dare ahybody to try aa4

figure ou+ gho*s vhere on this one. I rise in opposition to .

tkis axqndmeat. There baFe been beariags :eld on tàis isaue.

Qne tâinq that everybody sàould realize is tkat very sabstan-

tial changes hage been aade in t:e bill frox wàere it was

originally introdacei. Re no longer have fourteen year olds

ia t*e bille anG We no longer have tàe slew of criaes that

kere in tbe bkil originally. Oniy limited czimesw as Senator

Bogers has said an4 Senator Sangmeister. and fifteeR aad

aixteen year olds. anâ perhaps thq lost important provision

khak is nou in tàe bill is t:e gàiger back provision.. so tàat

tf a Juvenile is charge; vith rapme *uriere or arœed robberyy

aaG if that cbarge is reduced. that indiviiual autoœatically

gets to go-..go back to Juveaiiè coqrt uniess àe biasqlf

beca ase of a plea bargakning arzangement vaivea that rigàt.

so âe-..goês back io juFmaile cour: and is kried as a juve-

aile ualess he is actually tried vtt: rape, murGere or aR

lraed robbery charge. I thiak it ia a vety good bill. It's

a toqgN isaae and I...and I vouid-..l voul; àope that the

kembership vould be iisteaing to tkis becaase this is one of

kàe aost important issues kkat will be coming before tàe Body

this Session. And-..tàere ia a 'difference of opinion on it,

I think you Nave to take a hazd look at it. anë tàis---voting

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oa tàis amendaent really is...is voking on t:e sqbstancè of

t:e bill.

PRZSSDING OFeICEZI (SENATOR 5à#ICKâ5)

Senator neAngeiàs.

SC:ATO: DeàNGELlsz

Apologize to tAe Body ior rising for tàe secon; tiMeg :ut

Idve a guestion of the spqnsor...anotàer question.

PRESIDIKG 0r#IC:R: (SZKATOE SA#ICKAS)

In4icates àe.--she lill yield.

SCAITQ# DeANGCLIS:

keli. I'm sorxye I woald like to ask t:e guestion of

senator sangmeister. Could I da thak?

PRZSIDI'G O#FICERI (SZXATQR SàVICXàS)

Senator Sangmeister. Genator DeAagelts.

SZXATO: DeAXGZLISZ

Senator Sangaeistery at the Nearingse it was recolmended

by sokebody t:at perâaps t:e liddle ground on tàis issqe

would be to have a hearing with a trans'er bat sNift tàe

bazGen of proof to t:e Gefendant as to ghy that person sNould

aot be Ioved to the adqlt coart. 'oge ë1G tàe.-.di; yoqr

group decide to scrap tkat comproaisê?

PRZSIDIXG OF#ICEQZ (SZ:ATOR SâVICKAS)

Seaator Gaagmeister.

SZXATOR SAIG::ISTERZ

Qell. SeaaEor Deângelis. kàerê vmre maay differqnt

approaches to tàla pzobie? preseate; to uag an4 ke didn't

aecessûrily scrap anything. ke considered t:e testi/on; of

ali tNe groqps involved and feit this was tàe modest

approach. and on a---on a 7 to 2 votyd ia colaitteee I

believe it vasy this vas the approach we decided to take.

PRCSIDIAG O'#ICZRZ. (SZNàTOR SAVICKAS)

Senator Deângeiis.

SZNATOR DeANGELISZ

@elly tzere is an old exprexsioa in t:e pubiic policy

l

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vorl; kNat

unforeseene uncNosen. aad freqaently

t:e conseqaences of plblic policy are .sometimes

dicNotoaous. In tNis

particular iastaacey vit: tNe gay the hil1 is right aole it's

perceived that this is going ko offer greater panisàment to

tàe juvenile becaase they àaFe coxœitted a moxe severe crime.

Ia realitye t:e opposite could' occur, beca usee I tàiake first

of ally you:re going to aee a lot lore plea bargainingy but

more importantlye youxre goinq to find aiuit courts very

relactant to prosecute a faartèea xear o1d wào àappeaed to be

ri4ing around in a car vitâ soae older kids vhen one of the

kids took out a gaa and Nel; up a gas station and all five of

tàea get trled oa t:e saae... saae crlme. znd what's goiag to

Nappen isw you're going to àave five kids going free rather

than one person gho sàoul; be punished zore severly and t:e

otâer four #ào skould àave been dealt with...wit: tbe jave-

aile coqrt.

PEEGIDIXG OFFICERZ (SXNATOR SàVICKâS)

seiator Geo-sarls.

SZNàIOR GEO-KAZISI'

:r. President an; LaGies anG Genklemea oï tke Senate:

1...1 a#ologize for speaking to yoq again. I rise in opposi-

tion to this amendment. khen anioae's fifteea or fifty and '

coœaits arme; robberyy or aurder. or zapev ites stili acaed

robberyy lurder or rape in tàeir intenk crixesv yoq have to: .

prove intent. ânG tàis.-wthis amendment vi1l still Iake it

optional in t:e coart to sen; tâeœ back to the. juvenile

court. ' gelle it's already optional. l:at the bili in itselz

doea is it makes it mandatory kàat aay jqvenile at the age of

fifteen yearx gâo commits...takes apon himself to comzit

azled robbery. rape. or murdere ghicà are vicioas criœese

tkey are subjectlng themselves to a mandatory appearance

before tàe adait court. ând I certainiy tàiak this aleadmeat

strips the biii.o.of its original iatent of the hearinga that

lilitated to t:e fiaai bill and I speax againat this amend-

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ment.

PRXSIDIAG.OFFICER: (SXNATQZ SAVICXâG)

Is there fqrtker discassion? If noty Senator NetscN *ay

close.

SEMàTOR NETSCE:

T:aak zou, dr. Presiient. àgainy I think. this is a-.wan

important issue anG not one on Wbicb a1l rigât aad justlce is

on oae side or tâe otàer. I am presentiag it as aa optioae

because it is an option that was preseated from tize ro tiae

before t:e coaaittee aad ia supported by a naaler of people.

I wonld say. first of allv Senator Sangaeister, the reason

vhy it vas not literaily presented in committee vas it...I

:ad talked to you at one point an4 I really thought this vas

going to be t:e coœpromise of tàe com*itteee so that that is

vây I did not parsae it at kàak tipe. Secondlye. I wouid like

to make clear àkat this ameaGnent is not ae if you ville

sofk-on-criœe a*endœeht. ':ere is no qqestion tàat jugeniles

?âo havee in'fact. coaœitted the crimes that ge are talking

aboqt'y eitNer ia Se nator Sangweister's 11st or in line, are

verr serloas offenders. So tàat is not tNe issue at alle in

fact. I vould sqggeste anG I t:ink tiis gas a point txat vas

beiag la4e peràa/s b; Senator Deâagelis, that tàe cbancea of

a conviction of a fifkeen or sixteea year old vho :as com/it-

ted oae of tâese offenses ia probablx aacâ gleater in juve-

Rile coqrt thaa it is in the criminal court. becaase all

kinGs o; legal rigNks that are jqst begianïng to filter into

t:e juveaile aystem are available once they are tried. as

aiqlts in criniaal coqrts subject to al1 of tNe aoraal provi-

sioas that are avaiiable t:ere. so that, I think. ia fact.

the-..t*e enë resulke if iadeed yoa :ave a violent offender:

of getting tâat violent o'Tender ooff t:e streetsu' and iato

souething' useful to try to change Nim if poeaible is lore

llàelr to take place vhea âe is tried ir tàe czialnaA srsten.

:ov againe kke question realiy is not of vhether roq do or do

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not approve of ahat these people have donee obviously no one. k

doea tàat. TNe question reaAly is by vhoœ and vhên should

t:e deciaion be Kade as No vùere they are to be tried. lnd I

gould point out. brieflye tàat xev Iork which bas. I a/ tolde

'a fairly iGenttcai law has :ad a real problem xith the aove-

meak back and kortà. There's a kendencr to overcharge, that

xeaas that a 1ot of..-those vho are sqbject to tâese progi-

sloas get into the adqlk court. it is then determined tàak

tâe charge was too. àeavy for the particular criœe and they

get Koved back: and yoq get this yo-yo back and forth. T:at

certainly does not àelp t*e admiaistratioh of jastice nor t:e

end result. Finally. I thtak, tàe.-.tàe real point is: who. :

shoul; be zaking %2 decisioa? ghat my azendmeat is iateaded

ko auggest is t:a there shoqid be a juGge who is practicedy

Nopefully. ia dl.'àliag Wit: Juvenile criae or-w-or serious

crime commàtted b 4uveniles invoive; in the process and not

àave the Gecision be soley a matter of the descretion of k*e

arresting officere gbic: I tàink is the end resqlt qnder

Smnator Sangmeister's aaendment. So. for tkose reasons: I

thiak it is a reasoaaàle aiternatigm and I vould coxmend it

to your atkention.

PREEIDING Q'PICEHI (SEïATOR SAVICKAS)

senator Netsch moves t:e aGoptioa of AmenGœent :o. 3 to

sênate Biil 1231e Those in favor indicate by saying àye.

Those opposed-' The Nays Nave it. Ameadmeat fails. à roli. L .

cali :as been regnested.. on tàate tkose in favor of adopting

zmen4ment Ho. 3 will vote àye. Those opposed voke Kay.. Tàe 'pIvoting is o pea. cave a1I voted xào gisà? Have all voted vho :!

ish? 'ake zhe record. t)n tàat questiony the àyes are 7, Ig!ItNe 'ays are :9, aone Voting Present. The aaendzent Naving '

faiied to receive a xajority vote ia. Geczazed lost. Any fur- 1

ther aaendments;

ACTIXG SECEETARY: (:2. FXRXAXDES)

Axendment No. 4 offered by Senator Xetsch.

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pazslolxG orFlcziz (SENATOR SAVICKAS)

Senator Xetscà.

NETSCB:SENITQR

Thanà yoae 5r. President. change

the aqtoxatic traasfer provision. it doesn't deal vith tNose

ak aile it sizply confines tâe armed robbery to armêd robbery

wbile armed uith a firearm. In otNer gordse automatic traas-

fer vou2d take plade in cases vhere tNe charge is

rape-.-mqrdery rapew or.--sexual deviate assaalt or-..ao

sexuai deviate assualtelbm zorry, I don't have the basic text

in fçont of mee or araed robbery vhile arxed vith a firearm.

and that ter/ is Geiine; in terzé of an existilg statutory

definitipn. It voald rednce tàe nqmber of automatic trans-

fers anG it uoaldy of coqrseg clearly pinpoint tkose vhere a

geapon of that kind %as in asee and that obgioasly is t:e

2 ost serioqi'.category of ar*ed robbery. As aany of you knoge

armed robberr can also take place githout a filear. vith soae

ot:er kia; of a veapoa. 'àere. tNe opportunity for the hear-

iag vould still be availakle, bqiit gould not be an auto-Matic tralsfer. . k voqld uove aGdptioa of Amendment xo. 4.

PaSSIDI'G OFTICZZZ. (SE:ITOR GAVIEKâS)

Is tàére any discussionz Senytor Gangœeister.

SZXAT:R SING/ZISTZZZ

kell. t:aak you.. :r. President. I rise ia opposltion to

this alendment. Qe-..ve 4id originally coasider this and

tàen basicallr rejecte; it on tke basis that armed robbery

wit: a knife is juat as bad as aroed roblery vitb a...a

:aad-gpn aad tàat differeatiakiba should aot be made. Arœed.

robbery ls araed 'robàery.

#RESIDIAG O'#ICCRZ (SEXATOE SâVICKIS)

Ia tâere any discussionz-u seaator Netsch---senator

darovikzy did zou vis: to speak? Seaator Netsch moves t:e

aGopkion of Anendaeat No. 4. to sênate Bill 1231. Those in

favor viAl indicate by saying lye. Those opposed. T:e Nays

This amenGment does aot

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:ave it. The aœendmeat 'is defeated.' âny fqrther a/endaents;

ACTISG SECRETAZYZ (;R. 'EXXI'DES)

xo furtber aœlpdœents.

PâXGIDI#G OFFICCR:. (SESA'OR SàVICKâS)

3r4 readiag. eor vhat pqrpose Goes senator Schqneman

arise?

SENITOR SCHONEdàB;

A point of personal prigilegey 5r. President.

PRESIDI'G O'FICZR: (SCXATOS SAVICXJS)

State your point.

SZNàTOR SCHGHZSAXI

A group of .citizens fro/ Fulton, Illinois are visitlng

Springfield today in an effort to try to briag about tàe end

of tolls over the Mlssissippi ziver Bridge betveen fultony

Illinois and.-.and Cliatony Ioga.. They're in tke gallery to

khe left qnder the capable guidance today of the âssistant

nirector of t:e State.-.of tàe Boar: of Cducatione :r. aobert

teiaïager. @e'd ask tàem to please stand and be recognized

by tàe Senate.

PRZSIDIXG OF/ICCRZ. (S2xAT02 SAVICIIS)

goqld tâey please rise and be recognized. On khe Order

of Senate Bills 2nd Reading. Senate Bili 1492. Seaakor

'arovitz. Senator: I'Fe been aotified there is a request for

a fiscal notê on it and it àasn't been aasgered. Senator

larovitz.

SZXATOR :à2o#ITZz

I never receiFed khat requlst. 1...1 have had no noti-

flcatioa of that. I wili be Nappy to-.-if ve can Iove the

bili to 3rd rea4ingv 1*11 be àa ppy to Nol; the bill and get a

fiscal note for tâe sponsor.-.today is the last 4ay to move

bills on 2nG to 3rd.

PRESIDIWG Of#ICERZ (SENâTOR SAVICKAS)

Senator Kapovitz: we can't move it yet. it's-.wevidently

Senator Oziaga :aa an interest ia thls. seaator Ozinga.

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SZXITOR OZIXGâZ

senator sarogitz. was serveG wit: notice of this 'fiscal

note the day it was on tNe Calendar t:e first time, vbich was

at least three or four veeks ago. an4 Ae's beeh asked about

it at least a half a Gozea times stnce.

PRESIDI#G OFFICEQZ (SENATOR SAVICKAS)

Senator Karovitz.

SCXàTO: 'àROVITZ:

Toq kave never aaked Me oace for a fiscal note. Nog

gketâer you filed ite tNa:'s...I àage no question about thate

Iea sare you.ve file4 it, but to say t:at I've beea asked six

times absolutely is untrae.

PRESIDISG OFYICERI (GCXATQR Sà#IC'àS)

Senator Dziaga.

S2Xl;OR OZINGAZ

I don't knov what else I can sa iw tâereês no fiscal noteis up t:eree anG Ne kneg about it t:e day lt vas filed

beca use it was mentioaed in Nis....in th@ coœaittee at tNe

tiae. Tke oqly reasoa it vas put up here so 'that it could

stay on 2n; reading uatll ge got that fiscal note. lnotàer

t:inge there is supposed tobe 'a coaple of aaendœents up

tàere xith reference to t:e nqrses aad otàer people iavolved

:ich ?as suppose; to be :ere before it #as Kovefl.

PRZSIDIXG OPTICZRI (SZXATO/ SIVICKAS)

Senator daroFitz..

SENATOR 8AROVITZI

I agree with tNe last point of Senator Oziaga and thoae

amen4œen ts lere what I vas about to get up and explaia.. The

nurses amendaenty t:m Dental Society alendaente the aaend-

œents tkat...tàe amendaent-..-tàe alendlent fzoœ t:e depart-

meat vâich ao? have been filed. and drafted. aad agreed vikh

tâose #eople and I was Juet gotng to explain them to you..

because those amendzents.-vthe bill has been hei; tàis late

'Maiking ïor those aaendœents. 'hose azendments are aov.

! 1../4,iq!i (jt--/1 g tl z

: 0 f,' .l vV,j '

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i

Grafted pursuaat to' t:e nurses anG the Dental Society: an;

tàey have agreed to tàe'ameadments, and t:atês ghat I vas

jqstogoing to present to tàe sody.

PRXSIDIXG OFTICZRZ (SENàTOQ SIYICKàS)

9el1e Sênatore ve canêt aove the bill as long as there is

tàis fiscal note requiremeat. I goul; suggest thak you take

it out of record aad sit dogn and taik to Seaator Ozinga.

Senator zarovitz.

szxâToa sàEovlTzz L .

I vill get a fiscal note if we can get back to this so

that we can love the bill to 3rd reading today. And we *ay

Nave to take it out of ordery but coqld ve have leage to take

it oq: of order vhea a fiscai note is filed?

PRZSIDI'G OPTICEE: (SZNàTOR GAVICKAS) .- Toq#Fe heard tàe Qotion.. Leave..-leave is granted.

. Senake Bill 1670: Senator Scâaffer. Eead the bille Mr.

Secretary.

ACTISG SZCEXTAETI (:R. rCRXàNDES)

Senate Bill 1670.

(Gecretary ceads kitle of the bill)

2nd reading of the bill. No com/ittee alendaents.

PRZSIDING OFPICERZ (SXNâROR GAVICKAG)

Any amendments froœ the floor? .

ACTIXG SZCRZTIRY: (dR. FZRXA:DCS)' Ameadoent No. 1 ofïered by Senator Scàaffer.

PEESIDIXG OPFICZ:: (S;NàTOE GAVICKAS)

senator Scâaf fer.

S2%à!lOR SCHAFFKR:

Kr. President and mexbers of tàe Seaatee àwendment 5o. 1

strikes tàe tikle anG deletes everythiag thereafter aad, in

effecte. rewrites the biii. Tàis becoaes thê onl; cozponent

of k:e dedïcare-deGicaid cost contalnaent prograe that we

àave been abie to achieve anythiag approac:ing consensus oa.It affects the long-term care..olong-term care industry,

'

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meaaing khe nursing No/esy primarily. It is a-.-under

itsw-.the alended forœ w11I be a one-ti/e delay in tNe rate

increase. It's a one-tiae saFings to tbe State of some

txenty-five aillion doliars. I don't tàink anybody in tàe

iadqstry is that bubbly abo œt it, but I think ther recognize

tNat ve Nave soae tight fiaancial-.-we kage a very tigkt

financiai sikuation this year. anG I t:iak they ar'e soaevhat

reiuctaatly going aloag with it. Be bappy to aaswer

anr.--other questioas.

PZZSIDI'G OFFICEE: (SZXATOR SAVICKAS)

. Is there any' discuàsion? If aoty Senator Scàaffer moves

the adoption of ànendment io-''3 to Séùaàè Bill 1670. 'hose*

in 'avor will indicate by saying âye. TNose oppbsed. The

âyes have it. àmeadment :o. 1 is adopted. àny further

alendzents?

àCTIHG SZCRETARI: (ïE. FERXANDES)

xo flrther aaeadaents.

PRSSIDIXG OFFIC;RZ (S2NàT0R SATICKAS)

3rG reading.. Senator Vadaiabeney for vNat purpose do yoœ

arise?

SZAATOR VâDALABCXC:

Tesy khaak you: :r. PresïGent an; Kembers of the senate.

zepresentatiges of tàe Alkon Memorial Bospital aaà 5t.AntNoay's Hospital in âltony Illinois are in the galoeryy and

I would' like for the Seaate to recognize them if they'd staad

for recognition.

PRASIDI'G O'FICEEZ (s25ATOR SAVICKAS)

Woql; tàey please rise a4d be recognized. They4re

in.-.ia t:e galiery on the Democratic siie.

PQCSIDENT:

All righte if I can bave yoar attention. Eere are tàe

list of recalls--.substantive recalls tàat have been filei.

We vï11 get to tàese bllls later. Tàe order oi procedure

will be. we vill go throqg: 'Senate Bills Jrd reading.

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skipping tue ones tbat thele's been an indicatioa tbat

tiere:s a recall oa. and hold those 'til t:e end. And t:en

ve#ll go again back to 2nd readlnge so tàat by tomorrog,

everything. àopefqlly; wili be in final form for 'inal

actioh.. If yoqlll jqst mark these, We vill skip tkese as we

go along. 1272, Senator Coffey. 'Nen oa page 6. 1522,. sena-

kor Carroll. Top of page 7. 1606. Seaator Bruce. 1632.

Senator Taylor. âad 1651. Senator Bloom. 245. Is there

anotàer one? Yese Senator Totten.

SEKàTOR TOTTCXZ

Thank you, ;r.. PresiGent. I beiiege 1299. I'd also indi-

cated that I waated recalled. ge 4id file an azendïent on

it.

ZZCSIDENIZ

A11 rigàt. 1299. ve viol also œart tâat. Can we get

more copies of this auendnent? The Secretary aeeds œore thaa

one copy. ve x&1l get back to this later. bqt ve ne#d aore

coptes for t:e record.. 1299. alpo. lll right. it's 1272,

1299. 1522. 1606. 1632 anG 1651. . Those six vill be àeld

qatii aftez tâe call. 1202 is on 2nd reading. àl1 rig:ty oa

t:e OrGer of Senate Bills 3r; Readingv 12:2. Seaator Berman.

12434 Ts tàere leage to get back to 12:3, Senator Philip is

on the p:one? 1264. senator ahoads. On tàe Order of. Senate

Bills 3rd aeading is senate 3ill 1264. Read t:e bille. 'r.

Secretarre please.

ACTING S:CEETAQTZ (5Z. TERXIXDZS)

Seaate Biil 1254.'

(Secretary reads tikle of tàe bill)

3rd rea'ding of tke bill.

PRESIDENT:L

Senator Rhoads.

SEHATOR RHOADSZ

Thaak you. :r. President and aembers of the Seaate.

Senate Bill 126% is oae of a series of bills whic: aœen; tke

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Trqth in Taxation Act. âs originally iatroducedg it had some

referendum progisions in it vhich are ao longer in kNe bill

bx virtue of Coazittee âzendaent No. 1. As no# vritten, tâe

bill would provide tàat ia the-..ia t:e cases ghere there ia

aore t:an a ten percent increase ia tàe extensions over

tàe-.-prior yeare a three-fifths lajority of tàe district's

governing bodye vhatever that body might bee vill be required.

to 'approve tkat extension. TNis is in addition ko t:e public

hearing notices that vere passed last year. I think it's a

gooG an4 reasonable approacà. There are...t:e bill is sap-

ported by tâe Civic Federation of Chicagoy by t:e Tax-

parers...zederatian of Illiaoisy I talked yit: thez this

morning. às originally introdqced there vas soae opposition. !

froz the 'uaicipal teague. betiege that they are still ia

oppositiony :ut that their opposition has mellowed somewNat

by virtqe of t:e watering down process that took plaee vith

Colziktee âmeadment :o. 1. I tàink it'a a good bill. and I

think most of tàe bllls in tàe package areoo.are good for the

people of t:e stake of Illinois, and I gould ask for

a-.-sqpport of Senake Bï1l 1264.

PZZSIDING O'/ICZR: (SZNATOZ 5à#ICKA5)

Is tàere any Qiscqssion? Genator Netach.

SZ:ATOR SZTECHZ

Thaak you...sorryy I preased the vrong button. I vould

rise also in support of the bill. I think that as ik àas,

been aaended ia coœnittee it does Rot do any hazm in terzs of

beiag uaduiy restrictivee altàough it certaialy does requlze

a sloking dogn aad a carefql tNinking throug: of tàe process

of ralsing propert; taxes. and I think tâat ls precisely wàat

xany of us tàink ougàtqto take place gitb tâisy probably,

wost oneroqs of all of the taxes tkat can be imposed oh oar

donstitqeats.. It is a b uildiag oa. if you viol. of a thesis

that ve started in this Legiylature last year. tàe truth ia

taxation proviaioa, aud I tNink it is one that is livable and

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tNat gill àelp to provide some tKoagâtfqlness aboqt property

tax increases in tàe futqre.

PZ/SIDING OFPICCQ: (55NàTOR SàVICKâS)

Purtàer discussion? senator Rock.

SE:ATO/ EOCKZ

Thank youw Kr. President an4 Ladles and Gentlemen of the

. Senate. I rise in opposition to seaate gill 1264 and vonld

seek a ruziag lroê tàe Càair as to its preeœptiFe natuzee hov

Man; Fotes are reqqired for passage. But beïore the Cbair ''

issues tNat rulinge I goul; suggest to you that ve tbink

gery. very carefally about this an4 thm succeeding tvo bilis.

@e are ia a time of shrin king. if not nonexisteate reFenaes

10tà at oqr levely. the State levely certaialy at the Federal

levelv and œost âarG hit uill be tàe local level, and xe sit

here and wake all kinds of grandiose scNemes aa4 suggest to

local goFernxeat that tàe; ought to do thise or ought. to do

tbat. anâ tâen ve are at the saae tize literaily and effec-' kigely tying tàeir haads. They cannote tiey gho are elected

and vào are accountable to the people cannoty ge suggest,

1 aise tàe' reveaue aecessary to pcogide t:eapparen: y. r .

services tàat tàe people vill require. There is a Giziaution

of services at tâe eederal level. there is a shifting of pro-

grax responsibillty back to the local Ievel. and ve are

sayingy âerey yoa take tNe respoasi:ility. bat you cannot

responsibly address that reaponsibility becauae ve:re tyiag

yoqr àands. I tkink it*s a ba; iiea.

PRZSIDIXG OFIIC:RI (SZNâTO: SèVICKAS) '

Senator Berning.

SENATO: BEENIMG: '

Jqst a qqestioa of tâe sponsor. gàat is t:e effective

date?

PRESIDING OPPICZ:: (SZXATOR SATICXAS)

senator R:oads.

S7ïâT0R RHOADSI

Paqe 54 - dAI 26e 1982

. I

Sectioa 2. Page 3. llne 18e *T:e azendatory lct takes

effect upon ik's becoaing a 1av.*

PRESIDIXG OFFICEZ: (SZNâ*QR SAVICKIS)

senator Beraiag.

GENATOR :EENINGZ

Senakore vill not that pose some difficqlties for t:e'

local goverhueatal qaits? I respectfully suggest thaty per-

kaps. zoq ought ko set an effective date a xear :ence. so as

to give t:e local govera/ental nnlts an oppoztanlty to adjqst

to .it and the cierks: and treasqrers' office an opportunity

to gear qp for tkis.

PRZGIDING OfFIC22I (S::âT02 SIVICKAS)

senator Eboads. .

SZNATO: RHOADSZ

senakor. I'â aot aure vhether I agree vith yoa or not,

Secause 1...1 gould have ;to look at t:e schedule of tàe :ear-

lags of tàe various local kaxing bodies in/olved. I canet

tell you it is not a problea. but it.--it aight not be a

problem., If it--.i: t:at beco/es a jrobleay I think that

effectiFe Gate could be added in tàe :ouse.

PFEGIDISG O'FICZXI. (S:ïàT0: SàVICKl3)

seaator etâeredge.

S';NâTOZ H HEREDGD

%ill tàe Senator yielx .

fjPRESIDI'G ûtt& ;RI (SZKATOR SAVICKAS)

Ile indïcates he giH . .

szxAeoa E=aEazoGzz

senator ahoads. does this biil as axended apply to al1

levies by locat units of governneat? I'2 khinklng. partic-

qlarlye aboqk th1 BonG and Interest eqnde of exa/ple.

PRESIDI'G OFFICZRI (5ZNàtOR SàVICKAS)

Senakor Ràoads.

5:NàTOR RHOADSIC

Senator.:theredgey that issue isa't addresaed in thia

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bill. le :a4 toye; vit: tNe ldea of.--as a œatter of facte

aa axendment is beinq.prepared by t:e nepartaent of Eevelue

right nov to try to do sometkiag to correct t:e problam that

xe've expmrienced in saburban Cook couaty of the sixty-nine

taxing distrtcts vkich..-some of vhicN..-soze of vàole man;

of wàoae I th&ni acted in good faith and included their

honded iadebtedness from tàe prior year. The Stateês Attor-

aey of Cook County an4 +:e àttorney General bave coKe out

vità opini'ons. since maay of tàose Gistricts acted, lndi-

catiag that tâey shoqld not have included the boaded

inGebtedness. Qœite frankly. rigkt nov. I az looking for a

Fekicle somevàere on tàe calenoar that..axends trut: ia taxa-

tioa where ve could addresa that problqae and I *aâ tâougNt

about Going it on. tâis bill. The cook counky à.' Jessor's

Office :aG objection to my Goihg it on thls bill anû tàat#s

*:r i Gidn*t offer it at tNis tiae. Itfs a problep . it's a

ver; naughky teçànical problem. set aside ::e polltics of tNe

gaestion for a momeate anë we#re...ge're looking for a solu-

kiony. t:e Departwent of Revenue is workïng on it.

PRZSIDIXG OFAICZRZ (SZSATOR GlvICKAs)

Is t:ere further discqszion? senator Colllas. ae indi-

cates àe will yield.

SXXATOR COLLINSZ

Question of the sponsor. Seaator Rhoada: qqite fraakly.

I tNink you Nave a goo4 idea. I think 1he timing is offy and. ) .

I vant tö knov that if we pass this bili anG it's s'igne; into

Qaw, wili tNe Stake. in fact. make qp for tàe loss-..reieral

revenue to local governments. and wiol we make up #oc the

aeeied revenue for pducation and other vital essentlal

services in case they canet get tkat three-fift: vote?

PRESIDING 0#eIcE:z (32NâT0: SKVICKAS)

senator Rhoads.

SZNATOR REOâDSZ

Noy I ion't thinx so. 1...1 khe-..nothing in this bill

' - :AY 26y 1982

says tâat tkey cannot extend beyond a Nundred and' ten per-

ceat. , It oaly stipulakes tàat the zalority by whicâ tàey Go

so shall be a' three-fifths malority. In reference to the

previoas speaker from Oak Park. Senakor Rocky I..-it's

not...I sharm his concerase and 1...1 tàiak heês verr sincere

ia bis criticisay but notking ia thia bill ties anyone

haads-..notàing---nothing ia the bill shacxles anyoney it

simply does lake it a little bit aore difficult by requiring

the three-fidtàs Qajority. :ïth respect to lost revenue. no,

t:ere's no...nothing in tkis bill tNat goqld pledge the state

to Kaking ap a reveaae. let#s SaF you get majority bqk not a

tàree-fifths majority on a local taxing body. 1...1 don't

tNink that's a suitable pablic' policy for the---for the State

to Pursqe-, Soe no.

PPESIDQXG OPPICCEZ (SZXATO: SAVICIAS)

senator Coilias.

S2#ATOE COLLINSI

Let.o.let me---let me zake..-this-..l nee; clarificatioa

Nere. Ife in fact, tàat t:ey Gon't get t:e three-fift:

majority needed for tâe tax levye if it's Kore than kàe hua-

dred and ten percentv then they coœld aot get tàe regenue

that is neede; to make up t:e losses for t:e cqt in Federal

revenues or for..-or for...lnflationarr costs that neces-

sitate xore Money for esaentïal services and education. So.

ghere vould the moley coxe froxz ghak wodld they do? Qhat

options: tkeny vill tNey have if tkey don't get the

tkree-fift: Fote?

PRZSIDI'G O'EICCRI (SZKATO: SâYICKAS)

Senator Rhoads..

SEXàTOE RHOàDSZ

The oniy option in'that case: senator colAinse vouid be

to drop back belov the oae Nundred ahd ten percent level anG

pass it by a silple aajority. Now I assuwe in.-oia t:e

exaxple that youere giving. that there is ak least a siœple

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malorityy there Nas to bey behind the..-tke iaczease

legy. If they don't get tàe tàree-fifthse then it doesn't

àappen. I meany tkat's t:e pqrpose o; tàe bille fcapkly: is

to.-.is to contcol tNe furtàer spread of tbese extensions.

xowy it... vhere t:ere is a coapeliiag, overvhelming case to

be zade for iacreasiag tbe levy beyoad a hundrei aa; ten per-

ceate I tkiake ia that casev yoa can get t:e three-fifths

*ajority vitàout any problem.

PRESIDING O'ZICEZ: (SE%àTOR SAVICIAS)

in tùe

Senator collins.

SEXATOZ COLLIAGZ

@oqld you be able to.--to *oge qp tNe e/fectiveGate..-moge back tàe effective date?

PRCSIDIXG O'XICEEZ (SZNATOR SAVICKâS)

Senator zhoads.

SZXATOR REOADSZ

I kàïak in My ansver to Senator Berningv I.-shave no

objection to tNaty an4 all I'd :ave to Go is-.-is we#d have

to sit dogn gikh tke Depa rt*ent of îocal GoFernmeat Affairs

an; tàe Departmeat of Qevenue and see if there's any...if

thls creates any proble/ in tNe scâedqle o; tâe governing

Bo4ies ao? vrestiing with this. Ia tNe case of Cook coù'atyy

veere.-.we aze firste ve're before aayone elsey aa; we#re

already experienciag t:e problex of t:e sixt y-aine districts

that I ailaded to an4 there is soae pendiag litigation oo

tàat. If it creates a probleœe. 1:11 be Nappy to. postpone the

effective date and saggest tuat to the aoase sponsor. I 'baFe

no problez with that.

PQESIDING OFTICZRI (SZNATOR SAVICKAS)

Senator geaver..,

SE#à'OQ QEAVERZ.

Thank youy

Senator Ehoadse I have so/e

:z. Presïdent. ReAlv speakiag to the biii,

probieas wit: this bilie partic-

ularly in township goFernxents wheree sa; tâe roa; district

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one year needs no money at al1 an; Makes no leFye and tàea

tNe next rear tkey come back aad tNey nee; a full levyy aad

it#'s macN œore than a hunireG and tea Percent over t:e pre-

vioas levyy an4 t:e Kake up of tovnship go/ernœent sometizes

is bipartisany so*etimes tbere---tàey get into Aittle figàts

aa4 snits. I think it's going to caase lore probleœs really

in slallery sa y tognship gogernMentse in realll taking care

of the aeedse because ak so*etimes they don't have any levy

in certain areas. and theh the nelt Iear tàey come . back an;

they need a fœll levy. T:at#s wàat botâers Me about tàe

bille 1...1 bave-..l understaa; ghat yoqr iatent ise but it

conceras *e. particularly in downstate Illinois. k:at veêreL

joing to run into a lot of probie*s.

?R:SIDING oe#IcERI (S;NANO: Sà7ICKâ5)

Senator Bruce.

3:xAT0R BRnczz

'hank you. 'r. President an; Ke*bers of the senate. I

rise ia opposition to this bi tl., I tNink t:e trat: in taxa-

kion legislati qn ghicà ve enacted last year has been tried.

Some aixty districts in sqbqrban Cook County got ia trouble

because tâey GiGnet Nave the hearings. Tàe Iargest taxing

district in..eia mx Gistrick. in factp 4i4 advertïse ln thir-

teea . nevspa pers tàat they gere goihg to extend tàeil legy at

a greater tkan a kundred aad ten percent. and after àaving

adverkised in thi rteen couakies: they got tvo civilians to

come in anâ vaat to know aboat ite and wbea they lefte. tàey

vere all satisfie; that it #as necessar; for tàem to operate

the.-.tbe college district in a fair and equitable xaye tàat

tàey have the addltional amouata of zoney availabie vitlout

any increase in their taI ratee it vas Just a benpfitu .tàey

vere a beueficiary of increased valuation. Ali.e.almost all

tâe boards that Nave t:e aqtàority to levy taxes in t:is

state are elected. no? tNere are so Me appointive boardsy but

tfkey-.-they are limitede aad all of t:ose people have to go

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back to tàeir Foters an; respon; to tNeir gqestions about vhy

oqr taxes are goiag up. To acguire a...a three-fifths major-

ity. for exanplee on a seven weœbez community college board.

yoa:ll have fiAe positive Fotese oftentiaes there is aot full

atteadance at those meekings. First thiag you knog. one or

tvo people ia a colmunity college board is going to tiP the

l cart over. They#re eiectedy they have to go back andaPP e

res/ond to t:eir voters. It seezs to ze that ge ougât to be

aboat our businessy not aboqt tNeir businessy and that's wNat

vedre sayinge xpq don't Nave t:e compentencey rou doa't

knov-..wbak tàe voters thïnk ih yoqr ovR district as nuch as

tNe state ksseéb ly doesv and we're going to tell you that yoq

have adopt thes: thihgs by kàree-fiftâs. These are not tax

rates. tàose go to tâe voters.. tàese are levies in extension.

As senatorzztàeredge pointed out. oae o; tNe big..-big prob-

leœs tkat are occqrring in t:e trut: in taxation legislation

ise xhat àappeni about bond an4 interest levies. ând we've

gotken opinions frow ckapman anG Catier both vays. amd

whether or nqi those are iacluded in your leFye and if yoa

bqil; a aeg building aa; the secon; year oate yoa have an

extension to pay for +Ne intereat oa the bonds levied, does

that thtow.yoq ôver tNe kqndre; aRd ten percenty and çhapmaa

aa4 Cutleres. I believez advice to every district t:at I know

tNat got the opinioa uas, you'd better àave your truth in

taxatioa àearing jqst so tkat yoa can coger tàe bond and

interest levy whicà is-.-xàich is regaized. Oace you issued

t:e bonds for tâe protection of t:e bondàolderse you have to

levy it., 5oe I--el---that sàould hage been clarified in t:e

Actw-ksenator zhoadse explana èion vas that he vas going to

clazify tàate but I think this Act coilG stax Nere. Host of

tàe districts âave acted verr responsibly ia this area. ther

doa#t levy lore tàaa khey aeed. TNe Trath in Taxatioa

Statute is on the booksy votera are aotifiede they#rm kàeree

ther. can have the hearing and atkead it if they wàsà, and I

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tkink Yhat shoul; be sqfficieat Protectioa for tàe taxpayers

ia tàe state of Illiaois. .

PQESIDI'G OFEICERZ (SEAàTOE SAYICKAS)

Seaator Grokberg.

SENATO: GROTBERGI

TNank ' yoq.. 5r. President. 9il1 t:e sponsor yield for a

qqestion?

PRESIDIXG O'FICERI (SEXàTOR SIVICKAS)

ie indicates he gill yield.

SZXATOQ GEOTBERGI

Seaator Rhoadse ia discassing the actuai vote

tkhree- . .uNat a three-flftàs vote Keans. it *as come to Ky

atteation that tàis probably really only affects boards of

ten or morey because it takes six of ten to.-.tàat is three-

fiftàs. Tàere is soœe discassion as, to vhetàer a seven .an

boar; voul; have five or foar...witN tàe actqal.-.yoq can':

divide a pêrson. depending on àog tNe gote goesv bqt ik

Goe saet affect nearlz as xany boards. â t:lee-man board

already ha> to have tvo. Do you...âaFe you got any arltâwe-

tic on kog aany boards are affected by this?

PD/AIDING oyelczRz (SENâToR 5â#ICKà5)'

'Senator Ràoads.

SENZTOR REOADSZ

Noe smnator. none at all. Ites..-yoq knove vith kXe

nuxbers of elected bodies ia tàis state. in Iliinois of all

states. ve have more elected offiGials. lore gogerning bodies

froà mosgqito abatelents districts on qp tàan aay other

state. 1...1 caa't give yoaw. and I'> aot even sare

tàat.-..that DLGA coqld give rou a figqre on that

right...rigkt nov.

PRESIDING OFPICCRZ (S;XATOE SAVICKAS)

seaator Grotberg.

SEWATO/ G/OTBZZGI

@elle thank yoq. To-.-to tàe bill. I Nave a 1ot of good

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- I

feellnqs about tsis bial axd I.. going Lo kote :or it. but as

I iiscnmmed gith t:e troops that aze worrying about tàat and

some otker things. œaybe in closingy y;a can give it the ,

fàaal iapact ko tàe best of yopr abilitr. Thank youe Senator

2h0âdS. .

PRXGIDI'G O'#ICCZZ (SENATOQ SàVICKAS)

senator Geo-Karis.

52#l'OR G2O-;â:IS:.

9iAl t:e sponsor rield to a.-.for a question? !

. ZEZSIDING OFYICCZZ (SENATOZ SâYICKAS)' Iuiicates he'll yieli.

SZHATOZ GEO-KIRISZ7, , '

Uaïer tNe Trqtà ln Taxation lak. *as there a Feferendun

provision in it: I caa't recall.

Z:CGIDIXG OTTIC22z (GXNATOE SàVICKAS)

Senator Rhoads. '. . . ' .

bs: ' iSzNâ:oR aaolI

0à. goshy... no, t:eze vere.-.tâere vere public hearing

provisioas. TNere gere so/e refereadum provisioni ia this

kill vhick vere taken ;qt ia Coamittee àmend Ment :o- 1..

PRESIDING OFPICZRI (SCNATOR SàVICKIS)

Is tkere fartâer dixcqsaion? 2f note t:e Chalr is Pre-

pared to rqle on Seaator Eolk*s reqqeat. The Chail kili rale I

tkat . Section 3 of tàe biil reguires kNat--and it Kandates

t:at taxing...districts co/ply vit: the trovisioas of tàis

Act. aad aader' Article :11.. Section 6. Paragraph G of our

Constitqtion that Woqld be PreemptiFe anQ ;it voqid Tequile

thirty-six votes. Seaator Ràoads.

sXxAT0R RHOADS; ' ' .

I'm sorrye :r. President. I...I hearG tàe rqliqqe but 1.

dida't Near the---tâe ràtionale behiad it before rou got to

t:e preeaptive clause. Rhat Gïd you sar that was in tàe biil

tâat.a.tâat Gealt vikh that seckion of t:e Constitution?

:asslolxc ofelcEaz (s:xAT02 sâ#ICKA5)

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Sectioa 3 voald landate thak taxing districts comply wità

tNe provisions of this âct.. Is tkere further discassion? If

aot. the qqestion is shali senate.-.o:. Senator Rhoads œay

ciose. Senakor zgane for vhat pqrpose Go you arise?

SEXATOQ 'GAXJ

ïese just a repe tition of t:e rqling. Hr. Presldent.

PACSIDIXG OETICZEI (SCRàTOZ SàVICKAS)

The rqoing is that t:e bill ia preemptige. It vould

reguire tha'rty-six votes.

SE:àTOR EGAXZ

I undezstan; tàa.t. but vha: I gànt ko kno? is vhak yoq.re

saying it-.oit violates.

PRCSIDING 0e#ICa2z (SE:*'TO: GAVICKXS)

onder ârkicle VIIv Seckion 6. Paragrap: G. It sayse lTke

General àsseably by la# approved by tàe Fote of kkree-fifths

of t:e me*bers elected to each hoqse *ay Geny or limit tâe

t x * Is tNere further disc assion? If note Senatorpouer to a .

Rhoads .ay close debate.

SZNàTOR R:OADSZ

T:aak yoa.. :r. President aaG zembers of tNe Senake. @ith

respect to the ruiihg of tEe èhair. I1a...I** aot going

to--.dispute itxor azgue gikh it at this tiIey I az soaewàat

puzzled by it. I sqpposp one coui: state tNat by stipuiating

the maJority involved in tàe extensioq of levy that tàat waa

a limitatioa on *:e power to tax. If tàat is yonr reasoning.

at least I aaderstan; tàe-..the pqrpose of tàe raling. %ith

respects of the œeriks of tàe bill. I think if.-.if yoq jœst

take a minqte ko reaG the billy it voa14 taàe about tàirty

seconis.. TNere's onl; four lines of neg language ia the

relevaat section of tàe bill. kkat ye:re doiag is amending

Section 3 of the Trqt: in Taxation lct that *as passed.last

yeary and that we required tàat in addition to tàe public

àeariags. ve reqqire. tàat the aggregate levy xiAl be adopted

by a kàree-fifths Iajority of kNe members of t:e goveraing

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aûthorit# of tNe taxing 4 istricte lf *:e aggregate Aevy

exceeds t:e extensioa of t:1 prior year by more tkan one kun- 1

Gred and ten percent. Ik's a Fery silple concept. ïes, it

Goes. make it toqgher. Rith respect to the remarks of Senator

@eagere I'1 not sure I have an ansver to ioqr problele Sena-

tore only.-.*y oaly ansger gould be that aarone ?ho was ia

tNat situation.. particllarly if there Nad been no levy in t*e

prior year. I Moul; tàiak coql; auster a three-fifths zajor-

iky. . It...it vould seen to me that there ?oql4 be that kind

of consensqse aa4 if tàere isn.ty then tNat is the.weexactly

tâe kind of sitqatioa tbàt txïs bitl is-.-is des'igned to-..to

put a liaièàtkbl on. :1th respect to some. o' the concerns

of--.of otàer individualsy kkat we're trying to do here is

conkrol tàe explosion of levies kbak le've seen ia recent

years. , I think it is good concept and...aad a qood bill.. aqd

I woald ask for yoq support.'h.

?EZSIDIXG OPXICZAZ (SS#ATOE SIVICXàS)

Qqestioa isy shall Seaate Bill 1264 pass. Tkose in favor

will vote àye. 'Nose opposed Aote :ay. TNe: vokiag is open.' Have all vote; wào gish? naFe all voted Mào glsh? Have ill

Foted w:o vish? Take t:e record. On tNat qnestione tàe Ayes

are 25y t:e Nays aze 26e 4 Voting Preseat. Senate Bill 1264.

having failed to receige the coastitutionai majority is

Geclared lost. senate 9il1 1265. Senator Bqzbee. zead tâe

bili. :r. Secretary.

ACTI'G S:CR 'TARI: (dR. 'EEXAXDZS)

Senate 3&11 1265. .

(Secretary reada title of bill). l

3rd reading of the bill.

PZZSIDIXG OFPICCR: (SZXAIOR SAYICKAG)

(Machine cutoffl-...Buzbee.

SZFATOR BUZBEE:

Tkank you. dr. Plesident. TNls is a very silple concepte

ites a very simple bill. It simply sais to t:e State of

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Illinois Departzelt of ReFenuey you may ao longer increase 51!

tàe maitiplier assigned ko locai ' counkies. ge originaliy i

' jurote the biii last fall vhen it was introduce; to sa< thât

t:e bille-.tbak to ase 19:Qe bqt ve have nov axenied that so

that 1981 is t:e operatige mqltiplier year. So that in the

fukure: t:e Skate of Illinols Depart*eni of Revenue canàot

iacrease any coanty's aultiplier over the.w.the zqltiplier

& 'or 1981 Jœst to giketkat vas assigne; to t:at county n... .

you sone of t:e reasons uhr this legisiation ought to pass,

people have little idea on how their tax biils anG ever

increasing sams bave been calcqlateG. taxpayers have not too

bi amount . of a knovledge e as a watter of fact. on t:e

. budgety legy. or collection cycley kâey bave only partial

unGerstanGing about t:e assessed evaluation of tàeir prop-

erty.. but I Gon:t think anyoae realoy understaads tbe'

mulitplier. Eov can ve continue a szstem that alloxs slg-

aiïicank inrreases in tax bills to pccqr year after year when' the taxpayer caaaot qnderstand Mâat caqses tàea aad allovs

Nàm ao reae4y to alleviake hiaself on tâis bqrden? I tkink '

it .as tàis. very sort of t:ing tàat caused t:e taxpazer

revalts aa4 brougkt aboat Proposition 2 1/2 in dassàchqsetksy

and Propositioa 13 in California. Inflakionarx jasàed prop-. erty. valqes hage shogn up ia the lql.tipliers vàicà àave been

increasing in almost ever; couaty in tàe skate for t:e last

several yeara. Over khe last six years. aa average of

seventy-tvo counties Nave received lncreases, tventy-one âave

decrease; oh the average. This year. even considering the

sick reai estate markete appzoximately eig:ty-foar coqnties

.' viil receive increased lqltipliers. The-..impact o; these'

mqltiplier incre4ses have seen to provide artificial tax base

for taxing boëiesw thus agoiding. statqtory tax rate maximuœ

lïlits imposed by tàe Legisiatare for the protection of tax-

payers... Some years ago. ve passed tâe homeovnerr exeaption

origiaaliy at fifteen hundred doolarse later increased to

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three tkousand oî the increased egœalized assessed Falua-

kions. :ith t*e rapld anâ staggering increases àa t:e

egualizere we âage eroded the taxpaier...tàe àoaeowaers pro-

tectioa that gas provided by tâe Legislature. I Nage passed

around to a fev individœalsy I diGn't àave eaoqgh copies for

everybody, but I've passed aroqn; to a few. iadividuals a

little sqlmation as to uhat's been hampeninq on tbe

aqltiplier. ànd let ae just quoie very briefly froa tâlse

œcompa ring tàe 19 eqaal...!80 equalization factors vith t:e

.81 factor. it s:ows thqt t:ere vere eighty-four countiea v:o

:ad an iacrease ia *he aultiplier in t:e State. Of those

eighty-fourel an4 I gitl leave out the botto. percentage of

increases, *but those ?bo iacreased from four to five per-

ceate tNere were seven coqaties' in tNe Gtate; from 'ive to

sixy tent from aàx to sevene five; from seven to eighty

eleven: k:ose who i'ncreased fro. eight to line percent vere

seven; counties tàat increased frox nine to ten percent vere

tea; ten to elevan. eight; eieven to tveiveœ there were two

counties; txelve to thirteea. t:ere were four coqnties; thir-

teea to foqrteen four coaaties, aa; there was one county

tàat increased by over fifteen percent im one year./ àgaiay a

feu of tâe iacreases in a fev of tNe coantiese eâlexanGer had

an 11.7, ;.âda.s#. 9.6: 3oad. 13.3:. Carroll. 1Q.3;' Ciark, 13.7;

Clay, 9.7: cragfordy 10.3: Cqmberlahd. 8'.0: DeKalby 8.52.

Dqpagee 10.8; Cdxardse 13.71 Effinghame 8.61 Payetkee 9.4:

rorde 7.3: Gallatin, 8.7: Rancock. 7.4: Jacksony 9.2: Jasper.

7.7;..eJerseyy 9.3; JoDaFies. 12.7;. Kendall. 10 percent; Lav-

rencey 12.1.* Qelle I caa go one an4 on# and one but you get

the Grifty hete's one Aontgomery increased---pardon 2ee

lonroe' increased by 13.3. 'ontgomery by 9.4. TNe increases

tkat have been laiâ upon these counties by tNe State of IlAi-

aois Department of aevenue :as taken axay any property tax

reiief ve#Fe given kNrougk the.-.throqg: the exemption-..the

:oaestead exemption. tàat I just poiated out. I khink it's

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tiae ge sa; to k:e Illinois Department of Revenue. if yoa .

d ide next rear yoq.re g'oing to assign a auitiplier ko thisec

county. fiae. buty yon cannot assiga one tNat is aay largêr

tNan the onm that yoa assigned tbis year. Toa cane with this

' legislation. Gecrease the maitipliere bqt ;ou caanot increase

it aay more tkaa ik cqrreatly is. I tkihk it's good legia-1

lation.. I think tkis is the tIP? of legislation tNat l. k

everyboGy knovs, obgiously, tâat tàis caKe fro. Cook County

Anmnssor To* HyneS. Ik %as NiS...NAS bill to étart vitke So i

M*y does SozebsG; fro/ th ree kqqdre; and fidt; ziles ala;

spoasoring t*e legislation for :àe Cook .coqaty Assessor? It

is very simple. because my county is ïqst az affected. has

been 4ust as affected. nl countiese my part of t:e Statey .

your part of t:e State :as Xeen just as affecte; b; t*eDepartmeat of Revenue as has Cook Country and I vill leave it

ko soœe of zy Cook County colleagues to Kake t:e argument as

to gbak's :appeniag in that couhtyy bat I voulG solicit your

favorable sapportv '

PE/SIDIgG ofelcznz (SZ:ATOR 5R;cz)

sénator nc:illaa.

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. SZïIIOR 'C/ILLA#:

Kr. President anG Ke*bers of t:e Senatey about t*e only

goq; khiag I caa say for this bill is tàat it--.it ?as

' brouqht forth bz former senator EyRes. Itxs a bad bill aRd I

think yoq nee4 to take a goo4 look at it. freezing

Kultipllers :as become a very popqlar political approac: for

' a lot of can4iGates tNat I reaily Gonet tàink have taken a

goo; look at p:at it would do to t:e assessœent systez. This

' ' :ill does preFeak anz increases in the multiplier but it does

hot prevent any reductions ia the *uitiplier.. No* reœezber.

t:e vhole reason g:y we end qp g&th a multiplier is to œake

sure that ia t:ose cases vhere ve Nave overlapping districts

there :is sowe reasonable kind of eqqity in teras o; tàe vay

property oa oae side of t:e coqaky line in tàat district is

taxed relateQ to on the otâer side. Novv. tkis freeze in

*uA tipliers la not goiàg to chaage-..not goiag to change

assessment iacreases tàat *ight otcnr lithin any oae county.

' And if ge hage assess/eat increases' in oae coanty vit: aa old'

aœltiplier applied, aa4 if ve Nave differeat assessmeak

. increases o/er tàe coanty line but still ia the saœe 4is-

tricty anG perhaps in that other district ve have Nad a' reduction ia t:e maltiplier becaqse people in tàak couatr.

khe assessors in tàat coqaty. Nave doae a coapetent Jobe then

gNat ve ead qp uith is vastly differeRt tax bqrdens being

Xorne br property ovners tàat àappen ko be oR different siGes

' . of.-.oà the iàae. xou. I knov. this is designed to try

' to--.to coue forth gith a popular gimmick. egerybody Eates

t:e maltiplier so ukat we do às fremze it. anâ sapposedly itàat's going to hold dowh peoples taxes. It doesaêt do any-

' tàing to reduce tàe poger to levy tax increases. aa; what it

- . vill io-.-aad mark...or xark-..the vordy you'll have peopze

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coming to yoa a'tef tàis is done end try to point oqt or try

ko Nage you explaia ?hy you haee alloved their taxes to

increase on oae siGe of t:e coanty line. kâile in

aaotàer.-.gith anotàer property on tàe ot:er side of the

coqnty line they *ay have stayed k:e saae. ïouere aot nec-

essarilr preventing somebodyes. taxes from increasing, what

you're doing is setting dovn a freeze uàich prohibits t*e

mqltiplier froœ increasiag vkile. in 'acty tâe assessœeat

praetices vhic: qo on aay allov soœe taxpayers on oae side or

tAe other of tàe coanty line vithin the same districts to

:ave their taxes increased sqbskantially. It's a nice idea

bqt it is destroythg whatever equit; there *ay be for tax-

payers tàat àappen to resàde in t',.) same taxing diskricty

vhetNer itis a higàly taxed schor t district or a Fery lowly

taxed mosquito abatemenk distzict vaic: kappen to bm across

count; lines.

PRESIDIXG O#FICZR: (5E5âT0E SEDC;)

senator Berning. AR4 I Nave Senators hcdillane Berning.

Joyce an; Tâomas oa My iisty and senator Rhoads. Seaator

Berning..

SENATQR 32R:I:Gz

'hank . you, :r. Preaident. Ladies and' Gentielen of the

Senate. first I gant to congratalate the spoasor on proposing

aa.innovatlvm solqtion to a serioas probleme and tàen point

oqt to the Smnator kàat as I qnderstaad t:e eqqalization.)

it ls to assare t:at eaci one of oar citizeas bearsproceasy

an egual share of tâe load. If our townsNip assessors don't

perform.properlr glt:ia their toga-kip tNat county sqpervisor

of apsessments egqaiizes betgeen tàose tovns:ipsy and then in

tàe event t:e counties are aot fulfilling the pqrpose o;

eqqalization properly, tke State equalizes betgeen couaties.

zy...Ky suggestlon to zoa, senatoc Bazbeey is tkat to freeze

the aqltiplier at the State ievel could oniy cozpound diffi-

cultiex for xour citi zens in your arqa or tàe citizens in 2y

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area, or soae otker--wone of t:e akeas o: tue state. and cer-

inly is aot going to pro4ace any logical 4efenstble bene-tai

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' !fits.. I suggeat. :r. Preciient aad aembers of tàe Senate, .

that vbile tàis is a Fery. very iakermsking topice and one

tbat sole of qs hage beea atteaptàng to Provide an anawer to

for a loagy loag tiney that attacà iag the probleœ from t:e

multiplier poiat of vieu is totally erroneoqs. In Tacte I

can*t believe tNat a aan of the iateiiigence of tàe spoasor

' can't see be#on4 the iaeffectigenesa of a hitting at tkemultiplier. I submit. LaGies and Gentlemea oî tNe Senatee

the oniy placee t:e only place to attack t:e ever increasing

aaG escaiating bqrden oa tàe ho/eowners is at the assesslent .

level i+mnlf. 'hat aslessment. Senakor Buzbey...seaator

Bqzbee: I wis: you voqld consider joiaing ae ln freeziag tâe '

assessment at soae deterxiae; level. That gould elimiaate . -

anr prolle/ vith.-evitk egualization rates' an; tax bilis. .

Tàey' voald aqtamatlcally be terminated at their ' current

poiat.

PQ:SIDING OTFICER; . (SENàTO: BRBCZ) :-S nator Jeremiah Jorce. 'e

S:NâTOR JFxoi:làa Joïciz

Thank you. 'r. . PrerkiGent. Vexy brieflyx we have beea

tbroqgà tNis in comlittee. @àat ve are saying ise Dok kàat

eacà PersoR pai' his eqqai sharey we sar each person be

assesse; at his ïair share. It is iapossibley giFel t:e

clasaificatioa syatez. given t:e regœireaent of thirtm-three

and a t:ir; percent of aarke: Falqee to properly...aad given

tNe disproportionate Fatio vhic: exists to coàmerciai an;

residential property in Cook Couatx. to come up with that..

@Nat-a-Nou I viev : this legialation is. I viev this as t:e

first atep in Going axay vit: the wultipliez. às you knove

Senator Stevensoae âdlai Skevensone Nas œa4e suc: a proposai.

There are inequities in this. ghat ge are saying àere todaye

let qs stop tàe inequities. T:e beat vay that ge caa stop

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them.today is to freeze it aad' get to vork an tâe gkolm prob-

1e* of--mluAtipiier aad resoarce eqqalizer aad ali those

otber thiags t:at are tied into t:ip.

PQESIDZNG OPPICZRI (SEAàTOR BRBCS).

sehator Tâomas.

SZNàTOR ':OXASZ

RNaak yoq; 5r. PresiGent. senator Bqzbeee youz idea is

verz interesting aai--.ahd I kkink that I'm going to join you

oa this. I vas listeaing ver; cazefqily to Senator dc:ilian

an4 to senator sezning as gelle and 1...1 do agree vith them

that. perhaps t*e problem shoqlê be taken care of locally

gitk..-vlt: the local assessors. Hovevere I believe even the

Governor said a feM months ago that he vas' gettïng a little

tire; of local qhits of goveraaent pointing tkêir finger at

tàe State of Illlnois for being t:e bad guy vith.-.vith the

adjustxeats: an4 I ànog that in various parts of tàe state of

Illinois propezty ovners are saickering gàen they see the

assessmeht on tNeir home because they kao? ites a lov assess-

menty and aany a *uossors are purposely underasaessing knowiag

tNat tâe Stak? vill cole in and adjust. ând I doa't think

tkat-..l don't think ge#ve got kàe probleœ tkat some of qs

tkink le lkaFe. , Por instaace, .'L'f yoq. are tryiag to seil your

home. or yoqe re atteapting. to buy a home. the lendàng iastl-

tukion kill come oltk. they' 1i do aa appraisal an; tâat

ajpraisal will be right on the Mopeyy rigbt ou the œoney. Ikaovy. I *. ia tàe process of buylAg a koae righk now aad tNe

people tNat are selliag tâe Nomey. botN' of qa agtee t:at it. s

f ir Markek Falue. Go, tNere are people oqt there. that caaa a .

do a darn good job ùf asseysiag the galue of property. I

t:ink al1 youere trying to do. Senator 3uzbee.. is to get'

local assessora to do the same sort of tklng.. àn: g:&le

there are some problease anG I Goa't like to be a party of

restricktng local uniks of gpvmrnKent. I 4o think that you're

on khe right track 'and I vill-e.l viil support. your biil.

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PRESIDI'G OPFICEQZ (SXNATOR BRDC2)

senator Rhoads.

5::ATOE RROADSZ'

Thank yoae Kr. President an; mezbers of the Senatê.. T

rise in sqpport of Senate 3111 1265 as I àave the entire

package...but must ia fairness poiat *qt tNat this-w.being

fro. suburhan cooky I aig:t be more ent:qsiastlc aboat tNe

biil kNan 1...1 gould be i' I lived in anotàer part of tâe

State. It may impact Gifferenk areas in different gays. for

tâe members of the Repqblicaa side of 1he Chaaber. I koqld

jlike to clear âp one..miece of confusion. soae o 7ou have a

staff analysis âate; Kay 3rd vhic: 2+; mislea; yo4 into

tkiakiag that tâe Taxpayers eederatiop is not in su/port of

Seaate B1lA 1265. âboqt five aiaqtes I receiFeG a phone call

from noug kbitleY of tN* Taxpafers 'ederakion ia Càicago.

They are &a support of 1265. anG if tkat carries any veight

vith anyonee tà* 'axpayers iederatioa does sapport this bill.

PEZSIDING O#FICERZ (SE:ANOR 3ROCE)

seaator siaas.

S;:â:0: SI8';z.

Tkank yoqe ;r. Presideat aa4 taiies and Gentle/en of tâe

Senate. . If.m.I think if eFerzone ?ill reme/ber tbat tNosl

that serve; ia the Iegisiatqre aoaetime backv. khat the freeze

o: properky kax assessment vas tried und*r Governor @alker,

and as most oï you will recalle it caqse; a Fery serioqs

debacle into t:e assessment proceduzes ia the State of Illi-

nols. ânâ franklye it caqse; mole probl,ms and more iaegui-

ties thaa ghat it solved. If 7oq vant to. reaily look at ghat

t:e problea ise it's tàe risiag propertr taxes in the State

of Illànois. àn; letês be very taaGlGe the places gàere tNey

Nave really increaxed àave been in Noxe rqle units of govern-

meat. In ly ovn coxmanity our property tax bills Nave sky-

rocketed this last year becagse home rale uaits caa aïlply

adjust their rate to generate tâe revenue that's needed to

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operate qovernmeat. an; sovernmeat is golng to save to Nave

funds ia order to operate so t:ey go throug: tNe Process of

eitàer a front door or a backdoor referenduae or ln tàe case !' of a hoae ruie qnit. t:e city couacii can go ahead and lust

simply increase tNe rate. Khat we#re doing here is aot solF-

' ing a probleme veere creating a greater probleœœ and franklyy

rou voqlin't Nave to vorry aboqt t:e zultipliere yoa woql4n't

Na/e ko Morry aboqt the...t:e assessmeak factor if it were

' EOt f0r the Schooi àid Porllla. ând PBrXaPS khe thing reaily

tâak Shgolz be Câazgfd is tNe SChOO1 AiG ForRqla that it

isnêt so iependent qyon the-e-tNe property tax asse'ssoent

procedare boca ase, franàly: that's vhere tàe greatest argu-

ment coœes ia., I thiak the Senator spoasoring this bill

meritoriously ls tryiag to Go sometàlngy bat this Nas already

beea tzie4. ites failei. and soe coaseqaentiye I tàink that

Seaator dc/illan :as vell addressed t:e issuey tNis bill is'not going to solve the proble/e it will czeate a greater one.

PZESIDISG QFflccRz (SZXATOE B27C:1

: Chanaei 20 is seeking leave to 'ilm the proceeGings. Is

tkere leave? Leave ia granked. . Senator xetsch..

' S:#lTO2 'XTSCH:'

Thank youy :r.. PresiGent. I rise in sqpport of t:e bill

an; goui; like to aake jast a coupie of Points qnderscorld

because I tâink kàey are iïportant. I Goa t tNink any of as

. vho supported thia bili in committee aad..-aad Nelped to

bring it to tNe eloor are sqggesting that it is aa; kin; of a

final solutlon ta tàe problel.of property kaxation. 3ut by

:he sa Ke token. 1. think ve shoqid xake ik clear tNat it is

not a gimmick either. It...it ioes not restrict local

governœenta qndqlyy certainiy not àn , any war at---at the '

preseat tiae. It certainly does note br the saRe tokene

solFe tàe pzoblea of vhat ve ultimately io vitN tNe property

tax. 3ut what it does do is to eliminate one factor ot tNe

spiraling property taxes that soze of us suspect is a little

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bi: arttficial aa; for wkich no one takes aay respoasibilitr. fI

't ts part of tNe patkera o: beiag able to pasa responsibil-

ttz for lncreaaipg. property taxes off oato someone else but

aever me. aaG vhea local governments or local goveralent

assessors are accqsed of too xqc: increase in properày taxa- ' .

tàon.tNey sayy o:e it's not our faulty, it's becauae tàe

multiplier has beea goiag qp so Nigh. We do not expect thls

to be tâe end of the proeesa of attezptiag to control an; pût

a.--some Xind of a liwitatàon on tâe exteat to ghic: pzoperky

taxes Nave got to fuaG goTernaeate bqt vhat we do sa; is that

lt is ole stepy aai an ixportant stepe in nuwber oney helping

t/ pin responsibilityg and aecoai. sloging Goga the pmocess

' qltil this General lssewblr qltimatelr faces qp to the ques-

tioa of vhat kind of a state an4 local governxent tax struc-

tqre it does. in fact. vaa t. It ls ultimatelz our respoasi-

: bilitr as legislators to decide .tkis. TNis bill is iateade;

' only ko :elp qs to that ulttlate decision.

àXACO2 320C2)VRZSIDZXG QXPICZZC (S

Fqrtker èàscocnlonz l :age tàe fozlovïng Senators no*

àave :eea aGieG to ly listz : seaatozs Demqzio. Ri*roG.

DeAagelis. Schaffer aad dgan. GeAator nelqzio. Alrigàt..

senakor xiaroG.,

sgxâto: xllzonz

Tkank 7o4. Kr. .president. à questàon of tàe spoasoy lf I

lay'. .

êAESIDING O'TICEEZ (S2ïâT02 B:0cE)Iaiicates Ne-.-s/nator :uzbee-w-iAdicates àe viil yieid. .

SEXATOR XIKRODT. '

Senator Baz:ee. do we tnaw--.list lf the states tàat you '

kavee vàat 'is tNe total sprea; betveen the kigkest ' aaG t*e

lowest on t*e Multipller there?I

PRZSIDING OPFICZBZ. (SENâTOZ BEUCZ) '

Senator Buz:ee.

S2:ârOR BDZBE:Z

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I can gige you a.. yeah. here I tkink I'Te got it. It

looks like tKe loxest wulkiplier ia the State oT. Illiaois isf

CrawforG coqnty gkic: kas a mqlkiplier o' .9751. vblcà ia

other words is a negative aultiplier. ànrttme rou go unGer

1.0 îtls a negatiFe maltiplier. , so tàat would be t:e loweat

aa4 tEe ver; Niqhest is Pcpe kit: a 3.7 xultipiier. Tàose

obvioasly are botk very small counties, so

ltes..-ltes...tàey#re aok good èxa*ples.

PRZSIDING 02FIC2Rz (5?AAT0R BPUCZ)

Senatox ximrodw,

SXXATOR %2X2ODI

TNAR: /0/. Spnator Bqzbee- I tkiEk Whaf We Nave Yo face

' oa a bill o' this kype. first of alle we are addresaiRg oae

phase as weeve been indlc. tàng here of our, tax bills. ànd

kàe i/portaht thing isg o:' coarse. 1. thizk we have to address

tâe kotal tax bill or the totql dollarsy tNat's uàere it'

affecta it. ânG. I#* sure tàat all oe yoa are agare aad

recall that a tax bill is Made qp of tNree parts. tâe assesa-

menk which is. controtleG. locallye t:e rate wlïc: is control-

ied 10th locallr an4 br tke Statee aqG the mqltiplier ghich

is t:e State., So anytime you adjaste or fool aroqhGe orfreeze or .œaaipulate one lkel. there are stiol kvo otàer

Farla:les t:at can take place. . It see/s to me tàal My fïrst

reaction of this vas that I thought it gas not a good iieae

aad as t:e zore I tkougàt about it. t:e more I delt uelly at'.

least lt.az xeep +ke bziza zro. escazatzng ane stzzl. azlo..tàeu.eif .the Depaztaemt of Local Governlenkse a2d atïl2 allo.

. faa equity to take placq. gov. t*e figure zou jast gave mee j

j: Senator BuzXee. vas. it 3. 7 to -9. somet:iag, alaost a sprea; Ilof ïour. 5o. instead of using one as the base. œaybe tàe' j

Department of Local Goveraments can qse .5 as tâe base and II

use tàat as the basic aa.? tbea adjust qp and Goâa so tbat tàe

kighest one mlghk be .8 or 9 and the logest ohe vould be Gogû

to .1. ând on that basisy we voald tàea haFe a redqctioa ia

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ail .of t:e taxes and al1 tke.tax bills across t*e wàole Stûte

aaG akàll have aa equlty and allov some freedoa for it to 1

V take place. I altfor any ptocess or anTthingg in Eacte that

will stop us frox alioving real estate propert; taxes from

iacr/asiag year after year. Me are not oalz destroyiàg tâe

ability Nere of the real estate ptoperty tax to bear : tNe

bqrienv, we:re. destroying tàe inïtïa tive of tâe youug people

to be abie ko copsiier bqyiaç a howe.. %e*re fozciag oi4ez

people to kove out of theïr komes and to sell their ho/es for

:Ne senior citizeus. îe're forciag tbe? eit:er to move to

tàe Sun' Belt or to aove into s'ome. other rental property an4

akcblb*ate their xovemeat' lnto a nursiag Nome. Re.re

destzoring th+ âaerican family concept byw--ohe t*àng is tNe

AAerican dream is of owning a àole. #ov. tàey--.the interest

rates have dole a part ol thak. but ve*ze sure leaging ik an

ope a-end i'tea aad allovlng taxes. to increase eacN year. I

Nave a bili a little bà% later on that addreases t:e :ottoa

Gollare but I'àvfor anr bil2 tNat caa kake aad Go this prot-

esse and I would say tàatvpossibly fro. tàis discussione we .

can see that tâere can <+1li be an aG3qstment betgeen coùn-tlps and a leFeliag aad al1 'the S tate àas to do is constantly

keep logerihg khak Kqitiplier. khe factor. even 1: they qse

xegatfve figures so tàat ve can still âave tàat spread ahG

Nave t:e aëjustxent. secauae it certaialy go4l; be anfairtto

stop any coqnty froR.-wxho goqlG taxe aGvantage of this aad

do soae false .assessïag vâicb voaid caqse an ineguit; of

aijqstleat bytueen one coaatT an4 the okber. Soy as loag 'as

khey can go on a negative basis and keep going to the nega-

ttvesy minus txoe tbreey faur or 'iFe, I:x sare that they caa

conkinue to adjast couatïes if tàe r viil jqst not.e-no longer

qze oae as kàe basis for tàe aijustlent.. Ald iï kkey caa

just do tàat eac: yeary it seexs to *e tkat at least thatls

one factor. But remeaber ve#re only deallag 74th tàe

mqltiplier. . %e still Navê not adiresse; oarselves to rates

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a>d le stlll have a:t aidressed ourselges to assesslent and

le kave aot'aiâresse; oqrselFes to the problem of seekiag an

'alternakige.. àa4 until the 4ar coaes vhen tàis Body wiil .

be---be a:le to accept tbat responaibiiityv aRG tNe tixe is

noge of saying. no poree gelli force oarselges into a posi-

tipn of findiag some of the aiternatives' for raising t:ose

taxes aa4 'tnding. sole. otber basia for taxiag other tNan the

No/e. Tàe home is not.the place for you a'n; I to continue to

allov to be GestroreG.. rhe home is very Fital and izportant

to oqr âmerican Ma'y of lifee aa4 I vant 'to tell you that I

for one aœ aot soiag to contribate to the ëecay and tke

demoraiiza tion of botx the â4erican individualv the àmerican

dream.or tàe Azerican family.. AnG tâe kime to Go it is aove .

a4G if tàis is one step togar; ite I applau; it. Thank yoq.

PRZSIDING O;'ICRâz,. (3:Wl*0R B2BCZ)

âlrightà Senatar Gitze for vhat : purpose do you

arise-..-senator D'àrco-, Senator D'&rco.

S::àTû: D'A:COI

I move tNe previoqs qnestioa aad I saggest ;ou set'the

timer.

PZESIDING OVFICEB; (SE%âT9R BAUCb)Airighte welle tbe C hair iaa beea latcxing txe 'ive

ainute debate clock and ve.--no speaxer has Jet exceeded five

liautesu ., I Nave on my list then Geaator Deângelàs, Senakor

scàaffer. Geaator Egan. senakor Rock aad Seaator' dc:illaa for

à, ssnator aupp. youa secold: kime aad Senator Rqp#.-- . sorzzy' gere covered br a piece of paper, Senator Rqpp. ànd

those---it *as large piece of paper... senator Gitzy for vàat.'

. f' arpose 4o you arise? I. P .

SXNATO: 'GITZZ

0a a poiat o: personal Privilege.

PRZSIDING O'PICZEJ'. (SZXâTOR BEDCZ)

State yoqr point. '

SXNATDR. GITZI '

#age 77 - :àI 26e 4982

às a part of tNe lobby dar todare tNe Rockforë St.

lqthonyes Hoapital is ia springfield ko ,lobby on pendinq

iegislation. I#; like to. recognize. them ia the gallery to

oqr right.

PEESZDING O'TICZ/Z (SE#ATOR BRGCE)

Qoul; our gqeats in the galleries please rise and be

recogaized by t*e seaate. Senator Deângelis.

SEXAROE DeANGZLISZ

zkaa: zoqy :r. Presiient an; meœbers of tke senate. I

rise relactantly anG out of frqstration in support for this

bili. Ik's most aafortanate that Genator Bazbee indicated

that t:is bill gas being pasked by àsseasor Hyhes.. for I feel

that he Nas been œuch of the part. of tâe probleœ. an;

àopefqllye noM trriag to be Part of the solution. This bill

is really putking perfq.e on a pig. an; if it's goiag to zake

t:e p&g smell a little bit bettere I*m.going to be in suppozt

of it. govegere 1ek œe poiat.oqr a couple o' things tkat we

ought ta be avare of. Those of as in Cooky as seqator ahoada

saide :age no uàoice bqt to aappork this. If yoa really vant

to Go something aboqt wàates goiag on: let's really attack

t:e problem. First of all. tâe classification systez really

makea it--.cook Coaaty subject to a rather àigh multipller

and tkea we blaxe 1àe Department of aevenae. ân4 I thiak ve

oaght to aGdress oqrseives to t:at point. Tàe second tàiag

aboût Cook Coqntyg anG some of yoq talke; aboqk uNat Me couAd

do for the bqaiaeas communitr rester4ay. when rou're asaesaed

at forty Tercent of market and residential is assessed at

sixteen percent an4 t:e œultlplier goes up eighk percenky

you*'re really forcing a two aRd a hal' times inczease on tbe:

bqsiness com/unitr as yoq are on. tNe residential coaauniky.

AnG I kaov right aox there is a coapany froœ Indiana seri-

ousiy looxïng to co/ing into Cook Countyv. and tàe tking that

scares thea t*e most is the assessment practice aad tNe

multiplier. Aad I kNiak we voulG do veli for oqr coastit-

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qenks in cook couxtyy and I vili take back eFerything I'Te

said about àssessor aznes if :e vill participate git: *e. as j

I have aaked hi/ in a lettery to clear ap sope o' the prob- i

leas ihvolved ia tàe assesslents in Cook coqnkr. I

PRZSIDI'G QEEXCZR: (SZNâTO: SAVICKAS)

. Senator schaffer.I

SZXATOR ScaàpeERz .

kellv I Gi4aft really want to perfume the pig or save tàe f

lwericaa holey bqt I GiG bave'é coavle of qnestions. Been œy

experièace ia bilis like tNis tNat tàere's aluay viaaers and

losers. zirst qqestion. is. vkat are t:e affects o' tàis oa

tàe Scàool ài; e/rœala? I doh't tâink tàat's beea Dentionedy

I assume tàat *eaas tàere are ao affectse ahd iT there are

soœe affectse vào lias aad gko loses. àaG tvo. it's also

been Ay experience over the yeara tâat vàen soaeone àaa a

biil lqeke tNis a4d the y pass ou: packets of inforaation to .

selected Meaberse it*s geaerally the Ieœxers îho stan; to

via. ' ànd aince I Gida't get a pacàete am I to aasume thak Ky

distzict .is a. laser oa tàis?

PRRSIBIMG Q'YICEZ: (s25àT0: 3à%ICïàS)seaator Egaa. Ras tEat a qqestioae Senator' It Mas tuo

qaestïonse Senator 3uzbee. '

SXXXTOX YUZYZXI: l

Yesy Selator Scàaffery on yoœr first guestione what

happens to tâe Scàool 1id Pormula. ls a *atter'of fact. à '

*as going to mextioa that in mr closing. ia mr samaatioa.

'hat happens. ol coursey ûs ;oœ knog..-gell nov, Seaakor

Sckaffere I'> trring to anager youl question-.-senator Thomas

tàere caa giFe yoq.--âe#s got tàe.-.Ne's got the.--tAe-.-t:e '

ansxer to Toqr secon; guestion. 5at your firat gqestion is

on t:e School ài; formula. As you kaov. tbe way :àe ResoqrceISquaiizer 'orxula uoxkse anG in fact. the very reason vby

lt's cailed tâat ls ta equalize reaourcms. Thereforey t:e

aforœulak-ayoufre a Fery Gifficult 2aa to talk vith. Seaa tor .

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ScNaffer. becaqse roq keep getting. interrqpted aa; I can't

aasver .your qaestioa. zs assessed egaluation lacreases or as

eqqalizei. assessed evaiuation iacreases becaqse of tâe appli- . j:catioa of t*e xqltipliere so tbe equailzed assesaed evala- .

atàon as it increases in a countye their receipt of the '

ScNool âi4 Poçaala goes doza-, Soy everytiae tâe State .

assigns a multiplier ïacrease ta y?œr coqatyy that aeaas zoar

local' school districts are gettiag less access to tâe Sc:ool

Ai4 eorxula Qonez.. So it lakes yo4 a loser state doloarvise

if you ' âave an increase in..-equalize; assessed elaluation.

':e only thlng that is rewarde; in tàe School â1d 'oraula is

an increase ia edforty and t:e increase in effort is obFi- (oqsl; the inerease ia tax rates. 3qt as tàe equalize;

assesse; eFalœatiol goes upv the Scàsol âid Toraœla access

goes Gogn. ':e secon; qqestioa--.tàe only reason I 4id

aot...I 1as aot trylng to be selective. I xas oaly given ten

àandogts thia aorniag. anG I just passe4 thex around to a few

ppople v:o wer'e not busy at t:e molent. I tzink xou àave

alrekdy seea ia theree aazbodr that is intereste4. ve :ave

t:e 1981 multipller for every couaty as coapare; to the 1980

lultlpllez an4 t:e perceatage of increase or iecrease that

txat bas iniicated. Senator Scàafferv I hope that ;oq have ''

Seen ;0qrS.

'RZSIDIXG 0#2Ic22z (SZIATOR Sâ#ICKAS) :

Seaator Xgaa. .

SZXATOR 2GAN4 '

Tkank yon, :r. Presidenk anë Meœbers of the senate. To '

aGd ghat Senatol DeAagelis bas sai; ko wbat Senator 3azbee

Nas sai; I thiak tbat---aa; inci4entallye senator DeAngelis..

as longz as zou bzoqght it ape in my meaoryy Sena- '

' tor--.àssessor Bynes has Goae lore to clarify and eqqalize 1I

the. assessment practices in Cook tban anyone that I caa

remeaber anG. 1...1 think Ne'll continue to Go thate bat it'a .

a very complicatede it's a verx difficqlt process: ites obvi-

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oqs. tbat k*e equaolizer doesn.t gork. Beca use if it Gld. thea

ve woqldn't àave to kave a .GcNool liG 'orzula to egaalize tNe

assesa/ent levels in iiffereat districts. so. ob/iously it

doesn't vork: basically: bqt it4s. ilterestihg to note and I

tkàak the bothoa liae s:oul; be tàak tàe local taxing àodies

are'tàose gào are œost stroqgly opposed to tàis bill. It's

obvàous kNat tbey gill get aore zonel froœ t:e real estate

kaxpayere ando--becausl gàea ge lilit tNeir spending author-

&tr aa; kàey don#t reduce tâe ratee k:er*ll spead tàe '

increased aooants of moaey tNat tEey get. à?G it âay be that

tbex need tàat Ioney bqt thez shoalda't âage to get lt fröl

tke real estarze talpayer. It's also ilteresting to note t:at

tàe nepaztaent yf Revenue is oppose; ko tàis :i1l becaqse

tàex knov Fery g kly as Seaator 3qzbee points oute tkat tâey

vill have ta pog leas geaerai revenue œoney iato tNe school

aid---into t:e sf Naol-..iocal sckool Gistricts, consequently,

saviag tbea +ax doilars aad adGing t;e hurden to t*e real

estate taxpayers. Goe if ve# re going to give tNe real estate

taxpayers soae reliefe nog is tNe time to do it.

22232D::4 0'eIC22z (5d;â'OR SAVICKAS)

senator Aock.

'SXNàTOR aocsz

Thank youy' ùr. Presideat and ta4ies an; Gentlemea of tàe

Senate. . Sa tâat all. t:e premises aze cieare I rise in -

oppositioa to Senate Bi1l 1265. notwithstan4ing tâe fact tâat;

2 aœ fxo. the coqaty of cooke aotvithskanding the fact that

eoR uyaes ls a frïea; of Iine as is Daug ghltley. %e Nave

not heard. franlxy, aboqt vhat tNe estimate; fiscal impact of

this little ge2 ia. and I probably wonê'k hear becaase aobody

cam calcqlate tâe loss. I t:ink it#s faiz 'o aay tbat aax

freeze of t:e muitiplier is going to have a devystatiag

adFerse affect t-t local school Gistricta. Re are in the

sikuatioa naw khere the State àas recooaeadedw or is recoœ-

*endiag to khose schooi âistrictsy xetve Gelayed their scbool

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. aiG' paymenty ve.ve Gai; rou*re going to have less revenue#

from the State thaa yoa ha4 a 'year agoe and yoq*re going to

' Nave to'make it qp locally. ân4 now wexre. sayiag to thew.

bqt ge're not going to 1et yoq make it zp iocally becaqse

even though the multiplier probably s:ould go qpy ve Bone't

let it. It seems to me gkea you coasider the---vhat are

obviously adverse effectsy yoq iave to Fote so.. ue Nave Jqst

sent to tàe gouse a Pactage of bilzsy vhïcà I sapportede

wklgâ calls for a nex procedare ia the issuaace of the

Kultipliere anG I sqggest we oqght to stay vith tkose hàlls

aad follog that course.. I voqo; also point out that ia my

opinione this bioi ts patently. as is tNe next onee pateakl;

. qncoastitutional. àhG for t:ose o; yoq vho have aot yet read

kkis gem. I woqi; point o?t to yoœ that Gectioa 2 is kotally

different tàan Gection 1., Gection l.aKends the Eevenae âct

o' 1939. an4 tbat's finee freeze t:e muitipl:er. Section 2.

at iipe 12e. on Page 3, however, adGs a section to tàe State

sandates àct vkicà is in cbaptpr 85. Tbe Revemae zct. as I*m

sure yoq a1I knovy is in Càaptey' 120., And so Section 2 sars,

*'he folloviag *andate is exeipt from this âcte tàe limita-

tlpn on tàe nepartmeat of aevenqe. with regard to equalizing

aasessménts as set fort: in sectioa 146 of tàe aeveaae àct of

1939.: eor khose of roq ?ko :ave nok yet tàis xeek reread

t:e Constitqtàon. ia ârtiGle l7. Sectlon 8. it says very

. l inly . and ge Nave argqe; tiis at soae leogth ax àaa o?r2 a e

supreme coqrt io years paate vhere it saysy p'silis.. except

. biils for appropriatioas and for the codification revision or

' rearraageleat of lals shall..'-shali be confine; to oae

subject.w 'uis'bili I saggest to zou very plàiniy âas t*o

subjects. lnd if ge are. to elbark on tàls qncoastlkutioaal '

coursey I suggest to yoa tkat there ia no aeed for t:e

proliferatton of five tkousaud biils as xe uave seen Session

after Session. :e can take all oqr favorite gems anG pat

t:em in one bill because ve are no longer linited. appar-

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eatlyy to oae subject-'' If le are to.-.lilited to one subject i'

fas tâe Coustitqtioa coastrains ase this is F qncoûstitukional.

so for tsose .pe rou v:o aon.t vis: to vote-w-aqalnsk this&' ;

bili on its meritse vote vit: as lavyerse &t*s uncoastitu- I

tioaal. .

PRESIBING OPTICZAZ (SC:ATOX SWVICKAS)

seaator Rupp. '

SENATOR aDPPZ

Tâank zoue :r. Presideat. I shoul; sit dogn after tbate

I thinke but.w.actuallr ghat I-..one question I vould âage of

t:e spoasor is does tàe bili have tn there aay restriction on '

h ta of tâe s'upplies or tâe employees tbat tàese . gov-t e cos .

erqihg bodies are goiag to have to use in their operatïons?

PRZGIDING OFFICZZZ (S2#àTDE SâVICXâS)

Seûator Bazbee.

5211:02 QGPPI

goqiâa't ik be logicai if ge#re going t5 pat a cap oa the

income tâat ge also do somethiag uitN tEe-.aperhaps tbe

teacbers: paye Qake sure that that is nok per+itted to go upe

Make sare tâat t:e cost of tàe sûppliese t:e books an4 every-

tking eise :as a cap on ik. à>d tàen. does txis applr to

tovaship multipliers wNicN are coaing ànto fashionz'

PAESIDIXG Ozrlciaz (S::ATOR SAVICKâS)

Senatox Bqzbee..

SB:ATQR BilBxEz'

gell. first of aIl...I Nave a uev wor; this veeky Senator

Rupp. itAs---àt's ao:operativi. I*ve beea using that quite a.

bitx Ioqr.-.yoqr first qaestion iz nonoperative because it

Goes nàt cap revenqe. zll it caps is t:e State#s assigaaent

of a multiplier. AAl lt says ic they cannot asaign'a higher

aultlplier thaa last rear. it doesa't cap revenue at all.!ràe; can iacrease tàelr tax rates if the; gaat to. Tâer

can.--tâey cap coatiaqe ta ihcrease-.-t:ey caa continqe

to... to collect txeir property taxesy it's jqat they caa't

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àave a aultfplier assigned to tàel any àïgàer than last rear. i

'%e seconë part of your aecoad qnestios is. vàicà I assale is

k*e serious gaestion, the first one vas not too serious. I

Gon't t:ink. T:e second question is. it dues not aidress the

tovnsàip aasessor. In otàer vordse a coùnty can still equal-

ige vitbiq t:e coaatyk' It*a jqst tàat the State VIil not be

able to asaign a higher *ultiplier.

PRESIDING O'TICZRZ (SEXATOE SAVICKIS)

Senator lcHillaa.

S:NâTOR XCXILLAXZ '

I apologize for speaking tNe--wthe second time anG 101-

aehd senator Eock for a very forthràqht and statesxea-like '

position opposed to tâis bill. I'œ Tery coœfortable being on . .

t:e same side Ne 1a. I hope it doesa't make h&m

qncomfartable siding il vità a conserva,kive. I jqst van: to

reain; particulallz thqse of yoq dognstlte vào do bave a

different problex vikb . oFezlapping .distric ts tâat a lot of

ot:ers...tàan a lot of others 4oe that t:e people vào are '

going to :e Aurt moste tâe people vho stan; io be kurt qader

t:is bill. are tbose vho Nappen to be în a count; vhere tkere

is a super/iaor of assessments'vho does a competent job anJ

g:o wkea it coles ttae ko assess property'is goiag to assess

it according to t:e lave ghich neans tàat it probably will be

coming ander some iacrease.. That coqnky can either keep

their xllkiplier t:e sa me while their asseszments go upe or

in some cases. their Multipller may go Gowa vhich is fully

allogable unGer this àct aa4 their assepsments ma; go up. and '

because tkeir sapervisor of aasessaents is abiding by the

lage, tkey v&lQ ead up'.cazrriag a relatively heavier share of

tàe tax burGen for same districts than somebody else.. I#m

apmaile; t:at tNe Taxpayers' eeieratione uhicb *as noraaily

beea a-..a soqrce of soze amoant of good reason gNen it cones

to tax xatters. Nas su.pportpd tâia bili. I'* sqrpcize; at a

lok of t:e people that have. I kaow t:at zany of yoq feel

Fage 3% - 'zT 26e 1982

tNat' youfve . got to Go sometNiag to prove tâat you#re doiag

something about pro perty taxesy but the inequit; tha t you are

'creating as a resqlt of t:iay I think Rany of you gill live

ko regret vkea so/e People on some siGes of tàe county line

come to zou aad say yoq Kadq it possibie for My taxes to go

qpy gkiie somebody elae ia' the same distrlcty across the

county liae *ay àaFe.had thqirs either stay the saae or go

doga..

PRESIDIKG O'FIC;R: (SEXàTOZ Sâ4ICKAs) '

TNat conclqdes tNe Senators that sougât recognition

befole the previous qaestiou vas movei.. senator Buibee *ay

aov close debate.

SZNATOR BCZ,BZZZ

Thanx you, :r. Presi4ent. . I:m...I'm glad that Senator

- - Rock is a frien; of-z-of Senator Rynes and a frlend of œiney

ani...otherwisee, no tel'ing vhat he voald have sai; akout tàe

bili., I voulG like to adiress a feg of.the things in my sqm-

mation +ha t vere brougNt up in Gebate. First of ally recall

tàat t:e way tkat tke-..tke mqltiplier is arrived at for eacà

individqal county by tàe Department of Revenue, tàe; go

througà . a series of lookiag at the sales of property in tàak

coqn ty. and tàea they *atc: that with propertx asseasmenta as

done by ::e local assessors in that' countyv and then they

apply a factor ia t:e forpuia gkic: briags it ko thtrty tNreelanG a tâird of vkat tàey cohsider to be fair market valqe.

logg I vouid sabaàt to yoa tàat aay klad oî Toraaza that tàey

are qsing todar is badlr skeved, glven tàe fact tàat there

Nave beea very ïev proeertz sales in most coqaties in this

State ia the last fe? years..-in t:e last year or so. So àov

caa you say that--.tàat ghatever a :iece of property sells

Tor is a fair market Faluee thereês no .ay of deteraining in

koday#s market the uay that khew.-the vay I look at ite and I

ëonet :ciaio to be anJ expert ia reai estate property vaiqes

œr ln asseseaent met:ode. bat I tlink tkat the formuia ia

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badly skeged becaqse of sqch feg. aaounts of sales aad all of

t:e faacr kypes of fïnaacing. as an exaaple. tbat are avail-

able todax... I khov I NaFe a. Piece of Property for sale vhere

I ':ave sai; to a Xuyer. I will give you a loger price if

yoqell give me a Nigher' iakmrest rate if I've got to carry

tNis. for you. Xov yoq kao? tNat khere are al1 kinds of fancy

forœulas xorked out novadays for the sale o; éeal estate.'

)So. yoaAre not getting a trqe Market value reflection vhen

yoq look at Mbat -k*e price of propezty sells for in this day ,

of hig: interest rates.. Soaebody aeatione4, I t:ink it gas

senator aock. that thère gas no gay to càlculate vhat this' '

iiik ' bf oiernment. I gould turnvas going to cost loca.l qn g

tNat around and say tàere is ao Maz to calculate ho? much

tâls is going ko save local propertr taxparers àn property

tax' dollars. . àa4 ve knoge ve've :eard it tize after timeI

after time fro. oar coastitqeats and frox others on t:e eloor

Now L those on fixed tnco*es an4 so forth aIe horrifie4 vben

tNex get their property tax bllls after t:e mqltiplïer àas

been assigned borm aae tàe; conkinqe to go qp ap qp. Now. as

senator xetsch pointeG oqte tkis kill is not a paaacea. It

has never beea built as tNate. it.s not the finalaea; al1.. Qe

gi1l be aâGressiag this sabjectuagain next'zeare Nopefully.

in a. complete look at t:e vNole revehue pietare of t:e Gtate

ot Illinois anG of a1i of its loçai governments-.w-alo. of its

locai aaits of governaenk. Tàis is a *ethod ol holdiag doxn

tàe Statee's ability at tàis. ti.e to increase tEe maltiplier

anyœore. Aad my fiaal point ia reapoase ko Senator Rock's

accqsation that the bill. is aaconstitqtional. xy lavymr says

it's not. Qe have checkede anG t:ls Procedure that ha= bema

aoopted on. tàis biil Nas been approFed. aad t:e fora of tàe

b11l has been approvede and as a matter of fact, by one Stan

Johnsop... The constitœtioa provides tNat biils sNali be coh-

fined to one subject. Tkete is ao prohibition from . aaenGing

several lcts to accoxplisà this purposey and tàat's ghat

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leere doiag. Tkls bill is confiaed to oRe subject but w+ areaddreasing tvo Glf'ereat Acts ia t:e bill to get at that

sublect. It iacreases tàe exeàptioa an; t:e procedure toihcleaàe t*is exexption qnder cqzrent State lave kherefore.

t:é biil is in proper forme and as I saidg ar lavier says

*N4t lt is constttutioaal. I tNink it'e a good bïll, I voald

solicit yoqr.favorable support.

PRESIDING O##IcS:z (SexATO: SIVICKAS)

T:e question isv ahall Senate Bill 1265 pass. Those in

favor vill vote âye. 'hose oppose; gote Nay. Ihe votiag is

open. Eave ail voteG w:o gish? Have all Foted vho visk?

Eave a1l voted vho visà? Take t:e record. on that qqestiony

t:e lyes aFe 18, kàe Kays are 37. aoue Voting Preseat.

Sehate Bill 12:5 âaving faile; to receive tNe constitutional

xa.jority is declare; lost. Seaate Bill 1266. senator Sgan.

:ead tàe b112e lr. ,secretarz.

szcRzzzRlz

senate Biil 1266.

tsecretary reads tikle of bill)

3r; reading of t:e :iQl.

?RESIDING. OTTICEZ: (SENATOR SâTZCKAS)

('acàine cut-offl...zgal..

S2:à1OR 'GANZ

geil. khank yoaw ;r. PresiGeat aad meabers of tNe Senate.

I certainiy Nope the aood iaproyev over..-yith thia bLli over

the Iast tgoy but I'm going to proceed to try oace agaia to

give some tax relief to the Nomeogners. if aot all of tàe

zeai estate taxpayers. I kkihk tkat everyone here is totally

familAeàr vith the àomestead exezptloa as it currently exista

at. the level. of three thoqsan; dollars. às this bill orig-

ipaliy vas iatroduced. ue tried to conceive of iacreasiag

that amoqnt to fozky-fige haaired. but in the practical

gorid. ve felt. that it voul; be bekter if we linited--.ratàe:

to iacreasing it fifteen huadre; to increaae it br onlr five

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hqadrei vkic: is silplr tax relief to t:e homeogners ia the

amouat af about forty-fige Gollars a bo*e-, Siaplr that anG

aotàlng aore. Tàe statistics hage been bandied around :ere

al1 morningw I doh't khink we àave.to go it an; iqrthez. But

if #ou gant to go hoae aa4 te 11 your hoReowners that roq gage

them some tax reliêfy vote âre.

PR:SIDING O'/ICERI (SES:TOR SàTQCKAS)

channel 17 baa soag:t' permisslon ko film. Is leave

graut@d? teaFe ïs granled- Senator Keats.

SZ:àI0R IZATS:

Consldering ke'Fe spent aboat six hoars debating two

bills tàat lost'that Eadly. I:m goiag to aove t:e previous

questàoa so ve jusk have a coqpie of speakers. TNank yoa.

PEESIDI:G. ûTATCCRZ (SAXàTOE SAVICKAS)Senatote if you#; Aold yoqr *otion. 1he only other

persoa seeking recoghition is senator Bovers. Senator

Bovers. . Seaator zock. I:> sokry I diine't see his ligàt

unGeraeath tNe pad.

SZXATOR BOQERSI

Seaator Bgany woq1;...woql4 yoa yield to a qœestione

please?

PZZSIDI'G S'FICXRI (SZNATOR SAVICKAS)

ge in4lcates Ne gill. ,

Sz#âT0R B0@:Esz

In the originai Hyaes proposai as I recaliw and tbis is

sort of..-an; it's àa; a couple of aGGitions since. lt was to

caKe solely oœt of increases. 'hat is to say that t:e exemp-

tion khat was bailt in did notvkrigger qaless there was an

inclease in k:e assesse; valuafioa. Is khat provision stiii

encoapasse; ia this amen4menkz Ia other worGsv 7111 this

five Nunlred dollara not trigger to the holeogner aniess his

assessed va luee ia facty increases?

PAZSIDIXG O'FICER: (SXWATOR SAVICKAS)

Senator Xgan.

1

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Tesy that provlsion remains.

PRSSIDI'G OFrICERI (SCNATOR SâVICKAS) '

Sënator BOWerS>

SZNATOR BOWZRSI

Caa that inczease coae either b; assessor action or by

' Tirtue of t:e foraula itself?

Pazszolsc ceelczaz (ézxâTca szvlcxAs)

Jenator zgan.

SENATOR ZGAXZ

':e formqia itself? .

PRZSIDING O'FICZQZ (SZXITOE Sâ#IC'àS)

Senator Bovers. .

szxâToR BOWZRS:

Reily I probablz-..misspoke. I Gon't meaa the foraalag I

aean ::e equa lizer: of coarse. applied b; the State.

Does-m-4oes t:e application of t:e equalizer alao result in' aa increase; a ssesse; Falua tion that tie Noaeogner caa take

aivantage of? .

pazszoz,s ozzlcza: (sàszzoa szvlcxzs)

seaator agan.

SXXATOE EGAXI

' It applies to t:e egqalize; asaesse; Talue.

. PZ:SIDI:G OF#IC:RZ (SC:ATOE GAVICEAS):

Senator Bowere.

. SZXATOR BORZRSI

5n1y to tNe iacrease ia the eqqaliie; asaessed Faiûee

rigàt?

PRZSIDING OFTICZR: (SXXATOR SAVICKAS)

Senator Zgan. .

SZXITOZ ZGAXZ.

PRCSIDING O'PICSR: (SZXATOR SAVICKAS)

Senator Bowers.

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SZNXTOR BORERSI

Okay. Jast brieflye I Foted agalnst tàe last tvo propos-

als-.-or the ' iast...maybe there xere three of tNem--.tvoe I

gaess. but it seems to *e tkat.--tbat tkis is the Fali; vay

to.-.to get some taxpayers relief. I tàink ltes extre/ely

limited ia its application. It's a saall amounk bqt..-but ik '

'will.not af/ect'the school li4 forlula, a>d as a œatter of

facte is---is probably t:e least offeasive vay to gzant tax-

payer rellef. and I tàink we ought to go for it. anG Senator

:gaae tbaaà ypq for pitting tNis to as.

PRESIDI'G Q'#ICERZ (SENATOR SAYICKAS)

Senator #öct.

SENàTOR ZOCKI '

Thank zoqe :r. Presiient and Ladies an; Gentleœen of t:e

Senate.z I vould-..ask if tâe spoasor vill yield.

'RXJIDI'G 0FeICS2z (SS#ATOR Sz7ICxâ5)

Indicates he will.

SC%âT0R ROCKZ

Senator Egaae caa yoœ explaïa ia dollars and cents u:at

t:e fiscal impaet on local governments. particularly tNe

coaaty of Cook.. gill be by virtue o' tkis?

PRESIDIXG OP?ICZEZ . (GZNATOR GàYQCKâS)

' Senator EgaR.

S2#â'DE ZGAXZ

gell. I take it fro/ your opposition t:at it vill amount

to sometbiaqe bat-.-bqt I can't teli Tou :ow auck. I caa..el

can pnir tell ybu that aobody has cailed ae: so it can't be a .

wkole lot.

PRESIDIXG QYYICEZZ (SZAATOR SàVICKAS)

SeBator Eock.

SZXATOE RDCKZ

xelle I gnees. the point of œy queatioa: however. siace ve

are agala coa'froated vltà ap uncertalatz as to fiscaz lapact

ise vhy tàe aecessit; then to aaead an4 to have tvo subjects

r '.

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.in the same bill? Tf youell look on Page 2. lines 25e 6 and

7. ve are again canfronted gith k*e fact tàat thgre is wàat's

callede eupke*isticallyy a disciataer that says even tkough

i# aay cost tNe coqnties of this state. a1l àundred an: tgoe

an4 the school 4istricts ofut:is State some great amount of

money as ret undqfermineGe t:e state's in no vay liabie.

Novk I.saggest to yoa again tkat my aame objectàon obtaias ia

t:is one. T*e Constitqtion is very clearlr says that hills

shall be cohfine; to one sabject. 'his is tvo sabjectsy an4

so lgain. I suggeste :r. Presiient and membersy tâat t:e bill

. is uaconstitutional on its face. The Legisiative Re:erence

Bureau of tàe state o; Illinois notwithstaniing.

FRESIDING o'rlczRz (S:NATOR Sà4IC:âG)

is thete farther Giscussion? If note Seaato. zgan may

elose debate.

SZXâTOR EGAMZ

@ell. tNaak youy /r. Presideat and members of the Genate.

1...1 rbad the Constitltàon differently than senator Rock. I

4o beliege tàat tâls èàll addresses itself to onll one

subject.. ànd wè maay tiles :ave amehded billz.--hage passed

billé tâat qaea; Gifferentu.-Giffereat' Acts. Tkis ia cer-

tainil ao different than many of t%e other bills that ve:ve

passe4 oqt of here. I respmct zoar opinion bqt disagree

aost heartily vit:..ekeartily wit: the...vith tàe çonclqsion.

1. howevere.-vve-.-ge certainlye I*. suree haye an oppor-.:

tunit; to clean that ap vben the bill gets over to tàe Rouse.

:qt I voald like juxt in closing ko say that ali veere doingytadies and Gentlemea of the Seaatey is giviag naœeovnera

aboqt forty-five âollars oïf tNeir real estate tix bill tkis

year. tâat'a a1l Me#re Goiag. I commend it to yoqr favorable

consïderation.

PRCSIDI'G OPTICZRI (SZNàTQE SIVICKAS)

Ihe qqeatioa isy sball Spnate Bill 1266 pasa. Qbose in

favor WiAI vote Aye. Thoae oppoaed gote Nay. The Voting is

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opea. xave a1l voted vho lishz 'Have all voted

EaFe al1 voted vho vish? Take the recor4. On that qqestioa,

tàe Ares are 29e tàe 'ays arp 23v none Voting Present.

Senate 5111 1266 having faile; to receive . a constitutional

*ajority às Geclared lost. ?or what pqrpose does senator

Egan arise?

3:#àTO2 'GANI.

I*d like yoq. dr-,#resi4ent. to put tNe bill on tàe Order

o; Postponed Coasideration.

PRESIDIXG OFFICZAZ (SX:ATO: SâVICKâS)

Senator Cgan asks leave to have Senate Bill 1266 placed

o: t:e order of Postponed Consideration. Is leave granted?

Leave is graated. 0n tàe Order oï senate Biils 3r; :eading,

Senate Bi11.128;. seaator D'àrco.. Rea; the bille 5r. Secre-

wào vish?

tarr.

SZCZZTàAX:

senate 5ili 1280.

(secretary reads title of bill)

3rd reading of tXe Xill.

PZESIDING OFPICqRZ (S:NATOR SâVICKAS)

Senator D'àrco.

52#AT02 n'â2C0z

'kan: yoq. dr.wpresidenk.. This bill is commoniy knogn as

compulsory insqtaace. I believe t:at it ig a very effectiFe

œechaniaœ ior progidiag that egery driver .uho owna a zotor

vehicie ia t:e State of Iliiaois àas insarance so

t:a u .. pedestziaas vho wa lk our streèts uill be protecte4

aqainst drivers .ho are hot insufed and ahoul; be. ':e bill

voql; provide tkat when an insqraace colpany iasues an insur-

ance policy to an aqtomobile Grivere the; woul; issne a card

indicating t:e awount of inanraace. t:e policy nambery :he

compaay's naley tàe effective date of the poiicy anG the

Gescription of t:e wotor veàicle insured. @àen the driver

applies for license plates and a registrakion tag vitâ the

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Secretar; of Gtate officey Ne voul; sqbmit khis ca2i to 'the

officee aad tken at that poàaty before tNe office gould issqe

N1> licease plates and registratioa fees, they go.vld c:eck

git: the inaarance companx so indicate4 on t:e card to deter-

1 if tkis person doesy in facte bave insqrance. The bill* ne

also provides tâat if a--.compaay iatends - to caacel a '

persoa's insurance, t:e company Must notify tàe secretary of

State until...at least thirty Gaxs after the coxpany has

maile; to t:e Secretary of state a nokice of cancellation.

It also provides that if a person does not intend to renev' )

h&s insukance policy. tEe companz shall aail to t:e secretary

ok skate a notice of sqc: fact vithin tventy days wèter tàe

effective date of termiaation ofutNe policy. â very ilpor.

tant provàsiog. of t:e bill. I feel. is tNe fact that t*e

person . œqst carrz this car; vit: *&m v:en àe is driviag the

aotor leàiclew, Soe i: àe is stopped by a police officer.

Ne--.the police officer Nas the rigNt to ask for :&s iasMr-

aace'card to deteraine if this person ioes. ia faet. :ave

iasurance. ân4 if he ioesa't have a carG: he can cite h&m

for a violation for aot having tNe insurance carâ. 'àis vay

t:e bill becomes enforceable un4er khe law. dost other

i ns of coapœlsorr insqrance are aot enforceable b/hcausegers o

of tâe Tery fact that I have Just Mentioned. eàere are

extensive peaalty provisions under the...under t:e lag...a

violakioa is a Class A Kisdemeaaory a first violation is pnn-

isbable by a tWo Nandred aa4 fifty dollar fine. a secoade by

a fiFe hundred dollar fiRe. Also, tuere are provisions' that

provide for a t: ree >on th saspension of a persoi.'s privileges

to ovn a license plate and a registlakioa tygy aad on the

second conFickion a aix Koakh auspension of a prigilege to

ovn a license plate amd a registration tag. T:e àill gas

worked oat very exteaaigely. Senator Collias an4 myaelf

vorked on the biil. ke bellpve it's a goo; billu @e believe

tâat' t:e tiae has come for compulsory insqrance ia tàe state

dzI 26, 1982

of Illiaois. Tbere is no question ablqt k:e soundness of the

Proeosal. Tsere yas receatlz an artàcle in the State

Joarnal-aegiater that I Nave before le saying tkat we shouiG

study the proposal more before we make a determination. The

fact isy compuisory insœrance baa been before this :oGy on

any nuaber of occasions in tàe past rearsg aad. in fact: at

one poàote it ;id pass botN Rouse.w.botN aoqses aad was seqt

to the Goverhor a>: it ?as vetoe; at that point and time.

Re''ve stqdied tàis for waay years prior to novy and t:e tlze

Nas come to pass tkis anG get it on t:e books. àld I ?ou14

ask tNat ke vote for this' :111.

PREGIDIXG OFTICERZ ISE:àTOR SàVICKAS)

Is tàere any discqssioa; Senator...well. let's start

rigàt dawa kâe line. ge kave senator zuppy Keats. Rhoaâse.

Gchqaeman. Simms an4 Bqzbee aa4 thea Collias. Senator Rapp.

%ND Q' 2::t

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zczt #R

SM ATOR MTPPZ '

Tkank you, :r. Presiient. Ies, ge Nave coasidered these

bills Ranye Kany tiles.-.tàis trpe of leglalatlon. 0ae otàer

state Jqst . recentl; gent into this.and tbat was kest Vir-

gi:la. They àage a compulsory auto*obtle insuzance law that

tkey 9ut ia iast october 1st. ehat legislation dogn there

provided for t:e saae things that kkis bill Goes, advanc:

aotice of saspe nsion and a ceràificate or evidence

or....that's proof of insurance. BotN of these provisions. are

containe; in this. Senate Bill 1280. T:e kest Virginia

experlence was sqch that they :ave already changed their lav

effectiFe April lsty of 1982 becaqse of tkose tgo things. It

âas become sach a-..a bardeae they Nave aot been able to keep

qp. vitN the recokGsv and becaqse of that: they have already

xaGe changes in it. I don'k see w:y Illiaois àas to contiaue

ta go ïnto tNiz particqlar qqmstioa-, Tventr-tvo sàates àage;tri ed this aok. an4 uauaily it :as resqlted in increaled pro-

liqms and a situatioa which gas aot enforceabie. I donêt see

?:y ge caanot learn from some ot oœr otker states anG vkat

tNey have àad happen there.. zad I ask that t:is voald get a

resoundiag xo kote.

PRCSIDQNG OfeIcERz (SZNATOR SAVICKAE)

Senator Keats.

SZ:àTOR KZATSI:

'àaak zou. :r.. President. I tuink we4re ali faîzlx avare

of.this bill. Ites a œajor piece o' legislation. Weeve a11

given it a iot of thoug:ty so I'I goiag to. moge tàe previous

question to shortea the debate. Tàanx you.

PRZSIDIXG OF/ICERZ (SZNATOR ZIAICKAS)

Toq.#ve Neard.the motionr.-seaakore if yoq voqld bold

thaty 1. *i11 iadicate t:e Sena tors that NaFe soaght recogni-

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' . j' I

tioa-' Tker are S/naàors Siamse Sckqnemane Bqzbeey Collins l

aa4 Geo-iaris. Senakor sixas.

. :SEXàTOR SIHXSz'. E

. :r. Prestdent. I hale a.-.tgo qqestions I#d like to ask

' the sponsor of the bill anG thea I.4 like to address the !

- biil. Sènatore aGministr*tivel; in the case ghere a person

paysu-.s'oae iasurance compahies offer œonthly premium pay-. j

ments to insurerse in t:e ease...on a monthly basis. uàere a

person faiis to paI tkeir iasqrance premiua. administratively

:o? wiàl the secretary of State be able to Nave t:irty daysI

notice? koqlia't &ty in facte tœrn into a sixty-Gay notlce

tàat a person mlgut not havm vali4 insuzaace? T:e secoau --'-'-' ''''' ' - '

qqestion ïse does ààis prohibàt someone Trom..-fro. titlilg j

and licensing a car and stoting it and not 4riving it on the

roaGs of tNe State?

PR:SIDIXG OFFICERZ (52:âT0k 5à7ICïl5)

Seaator D'Arco.

SXNATOR D'àRCOZ .

@elly to ans/er ioqr second guestloa flrst. if

yoq're-..if zoq*re talkiag about aatiqqe vehiclesy that's

aou-.tàak's ao probleaw I meaa tàat can be solFed vit: an

aœenGmenk.. People have raise; that qaestion an4---and I

voqzd offer an aœendaent for tâat. , Thew-.the-.-yoqr other

questioa is tNat it's Iea lly the deterxination of tke tnsur-

aace compaa; wâea to notify kàe Secretary of' State that a

person has not pai; their premiaa. anG...anG.. ia effecty :as

caâcelled fheir insurance. If tàëy would send tàe notifica-' tion to the secretary of State: tàey mqst mœk/ a deterœi- .

nation khak khirty days prior to :àe date ol cancel-

latioa--.theyw..they :ave to send a notlce tàïrty days prior

.to t:e date of canceilatiou- So, t:e poiut that they decide.

even if it's on a finance premiux basis. it's realzy up to

.. theœ to make tàat 4ecision.

PRCSIDING OFTICZEZ (SZ:àTO2 Sl#ICKâ5)

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Senator Siaas. '

SEXàQOR SISHSZ

Tkank you.. Senator' nêârco. I#d like to speak in fagor of '

tàe billu senaEor n'Arco is right. ït àas--wtbis leglslatlon

:as been presenked befbre t:e General Assewbly as long as I

Nave'' been a mexbez oi tâe xouse ahd ia tàe Senate. eità t:e

responaibility of driving an aqtonobile also co*es khe aided

responsibilily of financiai responsibility thak nay occur in

case o: an autozobtle acciiênk. I think Illïnois shoald be a

' pioneer in enacting legiylation that goul4y in facte requirm. . .

'

compulaory auto insurahce for anyone that#s.-.tkat :as an

i : st te of Illinois. ànd I applau; senatoraqtqmobile n t e A

D'àzco . for vorking on this biil. It's a Fery comprekengive

*il1y an; âe's satisfactoriiy ansuered my guestion on the

antique aqtoaobile. ,

PRESIDING OFYICEZI (SEXATOZ SàVICKIG)

seaakor Sckuaeœan. '

SZXATOR ScHiXEdàxz '

Thaak youv :I. PresiGeak. A question of tàe sponsor.

PRESIDIXG OY#ICZRZ (SZRâTOR GAVICKAG)

ae indicàtes ke#'ll yield.

SENATOQ 5CH;N::A:z ' .

Senatory this biil *as gotten to be aw.aqqite' a political

biilu I unGerstand. Is State Treas œrep Consentiao still in

SQPPOI: Of. khis bill? '

PRESIDING OEPICERZ (SZNâTOA ZAVICKAS)

S*nator D'ârcs. '

SZXATOQ DIAECO: . .

'

'gell. 1..-1 think it...I think he is. yes. .

PRESIDIKG OTTICEEZ (SZXATOQ SâVICKAS) :

senator sc:anexan..

SZSATOR scHnHzdâxz.. l .'

:r. President and uelbers of the senatme cozpulsory auto-

xobile insaraace is--wis a vezy popular politicai issue and I

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qnlerstanG that. But wàat ge have here is a bad solqtion to

tkat' political issue. Pirst of alle and there are-..jqst

târee points I want to aake. Firat of all, the bill repeals

a very iœportaat section of lav in tàat it repeals the safety

responsibiiity lav in Illlnois. Xoge kàak iaw is tàe oaly

e'fective Nelp that tâe state of Illinois presently gives to

the victims: of aniasqred irivers. :nG 1. for the life of 2ee

can*t qn4erskand ?h; t:e sponsors of this---bill decided

to-veto' repeal t*e .oaiy effectige éoatrol ge aov àave against

œaiasqred aotorists. Secondlyy t:e aœeadmeat vhich was

a4opte; yesterday 'made. I think. a gery baG bill mqch gorse.

1t' does a coaple of tàings tbat ;ou shauld be avare of.

eirst of alle. it puts t:e State back into the basiness of

regulating aatonobile insurance rates. 'oge tàat's exactly

contrary to gàat Me decided to do yesterday in t:e area' of

vorker's compensatioh. @e deciGe; to Nave a free ' and opea

colpetitive market in vorker's compensatione no* vhat ve#re

seekiag to 4o is set up a systeœ of aatoœobile inaurance rate

makiag uàich voald give the government control of settizg

rates and' prellums. I tâlaà tàat's œoging in #àe wrouq

direction. T*e otker proble. wit: t:at amendœenty anG I.d

Qike those of yoq fro? Gownstate and partlcularly t:e

Govastate Democrats to yay attention if rou ville please.

'Nere is a provision in this bill no* kkat says there cannot

be œoze thaa a. tventx percenk varïation ïn ïmsarance rates

throughout the State as far...I*ll read directly from t:e

biilz it says. axo persoa vithin t:e same insurance clazs

shall pay premiams for coverage under a *otor Tehicle liabtl-

1:r polàcy in. excess of twenty percenk above t:e Statewide

a#erage premiua for khe same class aad coverage of insur-

ance-w xog. I*; zike to explaia ko you what tàat meaas to

tkose of qs dovnstate and vkat it leans ia cNicago. I callqd

Ky. office this moraing and asked tkea to give me tàe prealuas

forw--for example. a youthfal. male driver in tàe ianer Citl

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of Câlga'go with fiftr and one àundzed ilabillty lizika, fifty

thoqsan; 4ollazs property dawage. The insurance preaiu? for

liability tkat tNey guote; me vas eigkt handred and forty-#

'

khree Goliarse pretty Nigh premiu.. In our part of the

Statee. t:e preaiua for tbat' saae coFerage is three hundred

and fiity-sevea Gollars. xov, vhat the bili says is that

noMNere in the State sNall the rates be tveaty perceat zore

tkan tâe . average. Goy if ve can assame thak tàe average

rates or premiqms migNt be four Nundred and fifty Qollars:

then the maximum preaium in Chicago would be pegge; at five

: andre; aad forty dollars. sole tNree hundred dollala belov

yàat tàe aarke: is nok. Nove if insurance coapanïes are

forceG to urlte inparaace in thè.-.iaaer City of Chicago for

three Nundred dolAars leas tàan txe; thiak t:e premium oqgàt

to bey gho do you think ia going to œake ap t:e difference?

'àat premiu. is goiag to be' levelm; by tàe Gizector of insur-

ance over auburban an4 Govastate drivers. znd I suggest to

xou that tàis is a terrible iGei for people from the suburbs

and. dognstate. TXe thirG reasony tNe third reasoa that yoq

sàoqlG vote against t:ls bill is tâe cost tkatës àavol#ed,

. t:e coqt to t*e State. I asked t:e secretazy of State last

veek to give me àis estiaate of xhat this bill gi11 cost koi

adaïaiateze aa; t:e Tlgsre tàai he gave me vas seventeen mil-

lion Qolials *Ne first year' and fifteen million dollars

tNereafter. Nog. I understand tNat thia is a political bill,

and we have two competitors for tàe same office seekiag to

use this issqew. so you mar not accepk those 'igqres. But I

goald like ko point out to yon that jqst a few. years ago gàen

ue àad a siailar bill at tàe tiœe àlan Dixon was Secretary of

skatev Alan Dixoa estimated t:e coat of adxinisteriag that

bill at ten llllion Gollars-, so, vketker you vant to accept

seventeen wlllàon or fifteea million or àlaa Dixon's ten œi1-

lion dollarae lt reaioy Goesn't xake that œucN differencq to

me. I thiak ve can all agree that tbis is a Fery expensive

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compqlsory automobile insqrance srstezi Now. if yoq*re absœ-

lately comuitted to votlng for coxpalsory auto insulancee I

âon't think.ahything I teil rou can change your.y-your Qidde

àut t:ere are better compalsorx auàoaobile plaas and srstems

tuaa.-.tu n this one. z rezer specirlcally to the one knovn

tâe selz-certiflcatlon éetuod. under vhic: t:e state uouldasacuieve substantially tse same' coopziance anu substantially

kàe same lacrease in the number of insqred drivers vit:in tke

state. lkis biil is too costly. ît's the wrong bill. lf

you4re committed to vote for coypalsory aato . insqrancee I

saggest that yoq. take this bill back. alea; it. zake it leas

expensige for the taxpayers. less expensive for t:e. insurance

preâiu. payers an4 adopt some. otàer for? of coapulsor; insur-

aace. Tàis is tàe vrong one.

PZESIDIXG 0#eIcER: (3:NâT0R SAVICKAG)

Seaator Buzbey.

5E:A'0R BGZBZEZ

Thank yoa. Nç..president. I àave long favored the con-

cept o' compqlsory aukolobile insurance and would vote for

this bill except for the reasons jqst givea by Sena-tor-.-scàune*an. There is no xay I can in good''coascience

vote for a bili khat I knov is going to raise *:e cost of

aakomob ile insurance to' tàe conatitqents in ay Gistrict coq-

siGerab 1y to ailov kNe coastitueats of anotNer district vhose

rpgetl risk ia higEer to gek a lover rake. Xave 'if I lere toP

Go thate I think I gould be pretty duab politicallye becauae

.tf. I gere ly opponeaty I xoul; use tNat against mè. so, my

opponeak vill aot be able to use that agaiast me because 1: Iq

oing to gote against tNe bill 'in. i+s present f ora. às soon

as-....this azendment is' Telovede. I gi1l Fote for t:ë bili.

PQESIDING D#FICEXI (SEXâTGE SAFICKAS)

Seaator Coliins.

SEFâTOE COIIINSz'

TNank Toue :r. President. I rise in sœppork of this bill

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because I do believe that we s:ould have coapulsory liability

ivsuraace laws. an4 that everyoae driviag an aatoaoblle

skoul; be respolsible for any accideata that they are

ihvolved tn to pedeskrians aA; to-..to t:e citizens of k:e

State of Illimois. In addzessing t:e part about t:e anend-

*ent that I pqt on yesterdayy I knov tàat tàis is.. in fact. a

polltical issue and all of as are qp for re-election. But

I.* :ere Just as all of you are, firsk to protect t:e inter-

est of :he people o; ay district aRd ébè people of Illiaoise

a2d Just belieFe ia basic Taizmess. ând I do not feeo tka:

it is rigNt or no one can Jqstifr hagihg t:e good driver ia

tNe ciky of Chicago or anr ot:er hig:ly...popalate; area to

assuie . a11 o: the risk for bad dligers a1l over tàe state.

ah4 .that is exactly what ia Nappening toiay.. Ieae maybe the

risà vill. be apreade; oqtwacross tâe State. I very carefully

made slre kNat thak risk xould be spreaded on the basis of

classes of iasurancey. v:icN siaply xeans that a good drivez

in the Clty' of CNicago vill.e.in facte assume soae. of the

ris: but not all of tNe risk. aa; tNat a bad driver ia

Springfield vi11. in facte assqxe t:e responsibïlàtr for

beàzg a bad driver. That is basic fairness. 2:e ot:er part

ok this bill that xas incorporated ia tàat amendaent Gealt

gttà t:e sasic premise of zvhet:er or nok the state of Illi-

lois sboqlde z in facte àave some monitoring; povers oFer tàe

iasazaace.-.autonobile insurance ind askrx. Tâat aaendmeàt

Go#s khat. It Goes not reqaire t1e departzent

of.e-of--.oT.e-state Departxenk of Insqrance to establish a

set rate. 'kis is not a rate making bili. It proaotes open

competitione bœt it aixply allovs the Gepartaeak

oè---director ok iasarance toe in facte revieu t:ose ratesaad deterzine ghether or not tàey are excesaively high.

Tkat'a a1I t:e billudoeay an4 I 'hink it is time that we qet .

about the business an; respop; to the <ry of uany of the

people lhroaghout tNe State. aotvithstanding the..-the lobby-

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ists of the insarance inGustry or vhetàer or aot we are ûp

for re-electlon but to respond to a verr critlcal need

of.'..of our coqstitqeatm ànG I think that*s kbat Senator .

D'ârco and I àave donee anG I koqld hope tbat yoq Would join

PEZSIDIMG 0F'Ic2Rz (SZNàTOR Sl#ICKà5) -

Seyator çeœ-Karis.SZ:1'O2 GCO-ZARISZ.

5r. President aa4 tadies anG GeatleKen of t:e Senate,

this may not be kNe best bill for compalsory--aaatomobiie

liability iasarance. but ve...a àamber of us in this tegis-

latare àave been trying for the last elght years to gek a

bili oqt and ge kave'constantlr been--.been bucked by certain

ipsurance coxpanies. I think t:e bill is worth a try. I

thihk itfs..-ltês even gortà a tr; if ge àaFe to pa; a' littze

: more ia premiuaa to safeguar; the liges. an; property o; other

people vhic: ge do not do at t:e present timee, and therefore.

I tàink ehnt if tNere are any bugs. in this billy I'm sare

they can be taken care of by.--by the other Houae and I rise

in support of t: is :iIA. '

PRSSIDING OETXCZDZ (SX#ATOR SIVICRâS)

That conclades the list of seaakors: that sougkt recogni-

tioa before senator 'eats aoved tàe previoas qaestian. Sena-

tor' D'Arco is recognize; to close debate.

SZXATOE D'Aacot

Thank roqe 5r. Presiient. Tke one issqe aboqt the ad/in-

istrative cost of' tbis biil 1...1 believe is erroneous

because. nunber onee the Personnel at D0T that presently' cer-

tifv t:e reports of accidents thak occur in the Gtate of

Iilinoia uoald be eliainated, an4 tNat functlon voqi; be

taàen over by t:e Seczetar; of Statee so ge woul; save money

by doing that. . secoudlye the fact ia that the zechanisa for

programming.wwcompuzsory iasurance is already in place at tNe

Secretary of State.s Office. so. the administrativq cost to

8âï 26y 1982

pat tàat prograx in effect is aot going to be tNat àigh. I

Kean, tâe estiaates on t:e other side aboat the œillioas and

màllàoas aa; millions ox dollars khat t:is la golag to cost

are...are truly erroneouse and I haveh't seen any figures to

in4icate tàat. Thizd1y.....

PRESZDIMG 0F#ICSRz. (SSN; TBB SAVZCXJS)

For vàat purpose does Senator Rhoads arisez

SZ%ATOR EHOâDS:

Just on a point of order. The Senator is trying to

explaiz Nis bill and it*s very noisy. Could ue have a liktle

order please.

PRESIDI:G O#YIC:EZ (SZNATOE SàYIC;âS)Kou.Fe hearG kEe reqt 'st. The gagel has been struck to

reflect tNat regqest tbù ve caa have a little order oa khis

iœportant issue. if ue puLlvthe cohferencea off the Floor.

Senator Eally and those :ot entitled' to tàe 'loor gould tâez

please vacate t:e Ckaabers. Senator.-.senator D'ârco.

'SEXATOR D'ARCOI'

Thank yoqe :r. PresiGent. t:irdlye the fact is that that

Nas nothlng to 4o. with rate 2ak iagg the a*enG/ent that vas

pœt' on the biil yesterday.. Ites a xecàanisœ ko do vhatever

ltês going ko doe I meanw bqt as far as rate making is con-

cerned, it has nothln: ko do git: rate zaking. Tbis issue

:as been discussed manye many' tizes in .tâe past. ge al1 knog

what it's about and I ëoul; seek your favorable Foke. ''2

PEZGIDI'G GFTICZAI (SENAIOZ Sà7IC;àG)The question 1sy shall senate Bili 1280 paas. Tbose in

fagor vill Fote âye. Tàose opposed vote Nay. senator

n'Arco. T:è question is, ahall Seaate Bill 1280 pass. Those

in favor wiil vote AyE. Those opposêd Fote xay. Tàe votiag

is open. Bave all. vote; w:o wish? Have all..-vote me Aie.

Rave a1l Foted. who vish? HaFe all vote; w*o wis:2 Take k:e

record. Oa that guestioûe the âyes are 30e tNe Nays are 28e

1 Yoking Presentu senate D1lA 123: hagiag received the con-

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stàkqtional majority i's Geclared passèd. For what parpose

does Seaator schuneman azise?

S:ï lIOR SCHIJNEHàXZ

Regqest of verificatin of tNe gote, dr. Presideat.

PRESIDING O'FICERZ (SCNATOR SâVICKAS)

A'request of t%e verification...a reqœest by Senator

Schuneœaa for verification of tâe afflrmatïve Fote àas beea

requested. Qill all tNe members be in thelr seats. senator

D'ârco. for vàat parpoae do ;ou arise?

52;â'OE D'ARCOZ

I gaat tg verify t:e negative.

PSZSIDIXG OYFICCR; (3::l'OR SATICKAS)

.:e...ve vill vêrify t:e negative- kill a1l the Senators

be seatex 7q'11 the Secretary please call tNe roll.--of the

affirmative Fotes.

SACRZTàZXZ

T*e foiloviag voted in kNe affirlati#ez Bermaae Brqcev

Carrolle Chege Collias. n'àrcoe Dagaonv Degnane Demuziov

Doaaewaldv Cgaa. FriedlanGy Geo-Karis. àallw Johas, Jereliah

Joicee Jeroae Jozce, teakez satogitzv Nckenion, Nashe Nedzay

Nega. Xetschy XewNoase: Sangœeistery savickasy Taylor.

Vaialabeae. lr-.presioent..

PQESIDIMG OF/ICER: (SZNATOQ SAVICKAS)

The roll cali àas been Ferified. Do yoa question the

reaenke of any of 'lœ Senatora e senato: Scà uaemaa?9

SZNATOR SCHUXZMA#Z

Sehator Qaylor.

PRZSIDI/.G O'FICZ;Z (3X:ATO2 SATICKâS)

Is Senatoto-.senatdr Tarlor on k:e Floor? Is àenator

Taylor oa tàe 'loorz Genator.w.seaator Taylor appears to be

on the Pioor. Do yoq queation the preseaee of any otàer

Senatot?

S2xâT02 SCHUNE/ANZ

Is that reaily Genator Taylorv dr. President? Senakor

. 5àI 26# 1982

Jeremiah Joyce.

PRESIDIXG OFFICCRZ

Sena kor Jeremiâ; Joyc#. ,

right of-.-Go yov questioq khe

sisàloR SCHUNENàNi

xo--.no.

P'ZSIDI:G O#rIC2Ez (Se:ATOR SIYICKAS)

0n tkat questione the âyes are 30. the Nays are 28e aad 1'

Votiag Present on a verifie; roll cail. Senator Rock.

(SENATGR SâVIC;âS)

Senator Jeremiah Joyce is ko the

presehce oî any other Seaator?

SZXàTOR ROCK:

'àaak you. gaFing voked oa t:e prevailing sidey I do no*

œove to reconsider tàe ' vote b; vhic: Senate Bi1l 1280 is, *

declare4 passed.

PRESIDING O'FICZRZ (SC#ATQR SàFIC;l5)

Senator Roc: moves to recoasfder tàe vote br vâicâ 1280

gas passed. . Senator Carroll aoves to lay that motion on the

Ta3le. â1l tàose in Tavpr indicate by saling Aye. Those

opposed. T:e âyes haTe it. Tke zotioa lays on the' Table.

Senate Bi1l 1290, senator Leake. senate-.ksenate Bill 1290.

Read the bille :r. secretary.

S2cRETARïz

Senate :ill 1290. ,

(Gecretary reads title of bill)

3rd reading of k:e bill.

PR:SIDIFG OF#ICCRZ (SE:ATOE SAVICKAS) .

Senator Lexke.

SZXATOR tzsKz:

ghat this bill iùe, ts.-.is graduallr iacrease tàe exemp-

tipn for s' urFlviag spoqseey. what ït...to a kuadred aa; fiitz

tkoqsan; over a five year period of time. @hat it Goes is.

each year it inczeases it by twenty thoqsaad dollarsy an;

five years 'ro? nox it gill be a Nundred anë fifty t:oqsand

Qollars. Qàat this does is tries to Meet some of t:e prob-

lels that uere raised on otNer issuesy bu* also tries to meet

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3 - :àI 26e 1982

a neeGe; problem whieh we're trying ta solve in t:e State.

%&th tkis bille the revenue loss voul; be about t:ree lillion

dollars a yeary ba+ tàe increase iR revenues froà inNeritance

tax tbrough tNe years voald pick up and coFer this loss. . So

tNere really vauldn't be any loss to existinq re#enuesy plus

tkis voulG aot be affabie..wuntil tàe 19...1984 eiscal Iear

becaqse &k takes aéproxiaately ten aoaths to--aoa inkeritanceka> I thtnk it's a good bill aad I think it's a 5412 tAak

tNe GoAelnor vill sign. I a2k 'for a faForable roll call.

P:ZSIDING G'ZICERZ ISEXATOR SAVICKAS)

Is there any Giacussioa? If not. the queation isy shall

Senate Bill 1290 Pass. Those :in falor wili vote Aye. lhose

opposed Fote xay. The Foting ls open. aage ali voted ubo

Bish? Have ali voteG .Eo viah? Take t:e record. 0R t:at

questiopy t:e àyes are 51. t:e Rars are 5, noae Votiag

Present. Geaate 3ill 1290 having received :he cpnstltutional

majority is declare; passeG. Seaate Bill 1296. Senator

'arovitz- Xea; the bille :r. Secretary.

SBczdeâEïz

Genate Bill 1296.

(Secrétary reaGs title of bill)

32G reaGing of the bi21.

PRESQDIXG O'/ICERZ (SZ<ATOR 5àVICKàs)

Genatoz. xarovitz. ''

SENATOR 'AaOVITZZ

'haak ;ou very mqchy 8r. Presldent and Ladiea and

Gentlemen of the Senate. This bill stems from a---an issue

aad a probiea t:at is' oR tàe aortà side of Chigago involviag

my districte senator carroli#s diskrict and Senatar 3eraan's

district. l charter was issged to Rose Hili Cemetery for

cemeterr parposes ko be qsed for an-.-a tax exempt stakus for

aonburiai purposes. âll this bill does nog.--aog that we

Nave amende; it is codif; case law in tîe case of Rose Rill

Fersus---.the State of Iilinols versus Rose nille and just

Q6 - 'lï 26# 1932

reikerates 'hak real estate :P1; by tNe Co/pany---that is the

3OSe Zili Cozpan; f0r lonburial Pqr#oses anë p0k f0r tâe gele

erâl BSe Of 1ot holders and not subservient to burial JSZS

Shdil höt Xe S5 taK eXe1P'. Ik dOPS2*t ChaDçe kbeir Câarier

ia an; Wai. Do/snêt Geal with the back taï issqe ia any WaY

as it di; in comaittee. It's been changed completely, it

jqst codifies existing case' 1aw an4 solves a very sezious

eroblem ln our communitles. àn; I woql; ask vfor a favorable

roll cali.

PZZSIDXNTZ

Is there any 4iscussion? àny discussion? If note the

question is. shall senate BilA...I àeg your Pardone senator

0 ziaga. Caa ge take the meetings ofT the Floor? kili tâose

not 'enkitle; to the rloor. except for Senator 'elcsere :e's

alvays velcome. . senator Oziaga.

SEXàTDE OZIAGAZ

I àate to rise oa this issqe. but Senatore àave they' cor-

recte4 the exemptioa date wàen it vill take care?

P'XSIIIEST;

Seaator :arovitz.

SE:ATI)Z 'AROTITZZ

Yes that has been corrected. There .is no da tee we' re!

taking all tàak.--all that oat of tke bill. all % at laaguage

about back ta xing and goinq back to a certaia date is aox out

of the hiile has nothiag to 4o uith tNat. All it saya that

the real eatate Neld for nonburiai purposes aad aot :or tNe

general ase and not subservient'to barial uses shall not b:

ke dates are nov totaliy out of tie bàll.so tax exempt. T

P:ZSIDENT:

Senator ozinga.

SZNITOR OZINGAZ

àccordiag to this s:eet that was jaat handed to me. there

is a tecànical prableœ gltâ the aaendaemt. She tells me it

vas. cleare; upy okay.

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P:eGIDEx2z

âlrigkt-, àay furthmr Giscassioa? 1: not, the question

ise. sball Senate Bill 1296 pass. 'hose in faFor Miil vote

z're.. Tànmn opposed vïll vote nali T:e votïzg is. open. iave

all voted ?No gish? Have a 11 voted g:o MisN2 nave a1l vpted

vâo wisN? lake tke record. Qn that qqestlone t:e àyes are

52g the Xays are 3. none Voting Present. Senate 3i1Q 1296

. ')

having receive; the require; coastitutional majoriAy isdeclare; passed.w 1299 avaits an amendleat. 1319. Senator

xetsch. . Is Senator xetsch stiil witN qs? 1329. Senator

Johns. Oa the Order.of Senate 9i12s 3rd Readiég is Senate '

Bill 1329. Read t:e bille :r. Secretaky-- '-

SECRETARI;

Senate :ill 1329.

(Secretary reaGs title of biil)

3rd readàag of tàe bill. '

PRZ5ID2:1:'

Senator Johas.

SEHâTQZ JOHNSI

Mr.,President and me/bers of the Senateg I coKe before

you after vorkihg for ten years :or sqc: paasage of such a

blll. Itês a very Konuœental biil ia tNat ge àaFe it in tàe

best ahape that vmêve ever àad it. @* have gnlted slne kork-

ers' endorseœenk. and I'd like to rea; tàak endoraemenk to

you if I might. TNis is by Geralë Haukinsy bels tâe legis-

Iative repreaeotative of twenty-tgo thousaa; coal ainers ia

Illinois. ne said ia commikteey *1 am Nere in support of

Senator JoNn's Senate Biil 1329 as it Nas been amended. In

dolag sop tâe mipe vorkers are pleas/d to join tàe rgpre-

sentatives of county boardsv chqrc:es and orgaaizatioas ia

the Iliinais coai 'ields vNo are here to4ay to eadorse botk

the idea of tâe coal severence tax and the specifics of tbe I

propoaal before you-/ Over thirty-three states nov have some

sort of forK of aaturai resource severence tax. This partic-

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qlar bill gill break it. dovn to vNere ono-tàïrd of it goes

back iato the uae by coal compaaiea anG atillties of tNis

money. I ui1l ansger ahy qqestions. You*re ail familiar

vàth ite and I aupport the bill to the fuolest witNoqt anJ

resezvation.

PRCSID:XTZ

Is tNere any discqssion? zny Giacussion? senator

'intod.

SZ:àQOR NI:RODI

ide:k and Laiies aid Gentle ken of tà* senate, I:r. Pres

àave to reluctaatzy rise against tàis bili. I think there

are œany lerits to an idea of âaviag a tax coae aboat as a

severence taxe b : cerkaialy it'a not tàe time to bring ik

aboqt whene in fackg tàe miners nov bave iacreased fro. tvo

thoqsahG to tàreu thousand. vhea. in fact. ge have œines tàat

are close; ia th.... tNroughogt tNis Statee and ane in partic-

ular olly a fev .miles froœ Nere uho competitively lost a bi;

for less t:an tàe a/oqat of aoney tàat khis severence tax is

going to addy at a time ghen ve#ve :ad decllning prodactioa

in cnnl aaG ghen we're trring Geaperately to get in the posi-

tion to become coppetitive to matket oqr greatest assety ukat

ge#re reaily talking axoqt is starting off on a taxatioa.

#e#re trying to divide a pok before veêre starting to sell

aaytàing. âad it aeems to ae that ve shouida't be pus:ing

khis particala: item. In facte t:e coal miners six montNa'2

ago were veheQently against it, and today they.-el don't kno.

hov the miners feqi bqt I know their repreemntative :as coae

out in. favor of ite bœ+ :e also is a candidate for coanty

commissioner i.a one of the coqnties that's going to benefit

froK tàizu Sog 1 tàlak kâat vâat ve oagât to do is to make

sure tàat wi ailov oar major assete and it is our assek

Mithin thia Stanie aad I:a one o: t:e sàrong ones v:o standa

behind in t:e vay of Marketing and the aethod of

desqlfurizing ouI coal so that ve caR produce and sell it>

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Ia fack right not too far avay fro: here over in tNe#

càarleaton areae we fin4 that the---onq of t:e ne? plants

GecideQ ko go over tàere kità tàelr secoad utilï.ky plant.

khate in facte theytre going t'p enter... t:er bave entered

into a contraèt vit: t:e state of Indiana to use tbeir coal.

xog. tNe present Qoney that:a being collecte; here is t*o-

tNirds of the money goes to t*e coqnties and one-third woulâ

so to *he Statee bué it woulGn't even go to the State.

T:ere's no llmlt-..egerzthing :as to go into researck gitN no

lixit going bacà into genezal revenue. Tàe bill is in a Fery

bad positioa.' It's antimelyy it's an unfair bille and at the

sa*e timee it certainly should not be Gone at thls time. I

woqld pay tàat what ge need to do is ko aliow the Karket to

korke find wazs of using our coaly anG I lant to tell youe,

tkere4s plentr of *oney to divide. If there are sixty

billion toas of recoverable coai. tKat meaas ve ki2l àave

close ko three trillioa doloars. '@âen rou talk about tàree

trillion Gollars. you talk aboqt tvo percente yoq're talking

aboqk several billions of Gozlars that gould en4 up going

Gognskate to t*e coqntims Gognstate. Before we start a proc-

ess tàat lnFolves billions of dollarse seela to me tàat we

ougbt io be in a position to Na#e a prodqct to sell. ve ougbt

t have people that are vorkiag, aad we ought too

àaFew-.develop a Karket., Soy before we start laking our-

j.seives fqrther ia an llacompetit ve poaition aad destroyingoar akility to *alket our coaie I think tbe time is not aov

for qs to be pqtting a nev tax tNat makes qs further

uncoypetitive anG gets as in a' very bad position. I rise ia

verr *uc: op/os'ition to this bill at this pariicular time.

PRESIDING O'PICIR: (SCXàTOR DONïCWALD)

Seaator geaver.

JENATOR RCAVERI

'àan: Toqv .dr.

S#02SOr.

Prealdeat â couple o.f gaestions of ther

I '1 !

Page 11G - :â' 26e 1982

PRXSIDING OPFICER: (SàNAXOR DONXC@AZD)

Indicates ke gill yield.

Sz:à'0R FEAVCAZ . .:

. senator Jo:lse I had a letter from one of the Central

Illinois qtilities qaoting tNat it *as going to cost tàe? -L .

next year..-approximately' eigNt hunired thousaad dollars in

adëitioaal costs for fqel in kheir coal burnlag geherators

:ere in Illinois. Is that ko be passed on then to the

ratepayers tNroughoœt tke service districk?

PRESIDING OFTICEZZ (5CNàT0R DONNE@ALD)

Selator Johns-

seszToR aoaxsz

It's not aay dïfferent tkan your Golernor's proposal to

Nike track feese gasoliae feesy liqaor fees and ghatever. It .

. alvays comes back to the consuaer on any tax. Where do yoq

expect it to go?

PRZSIDIXG O'PICE3Z (SE:âT0R DONRE9ILD)

Senator gea/er.

SzsAToa %2&FàRz' kell. I know .there's a delegatioh alvays coning to me

anytiae: any utility comes np for a-.-a rate increase object-R

. .ing to t:e àigà cost of ueall ties. I've heard you crr about

t:e àigh . cost oï utliities to tâe poor people. We:re ail

coaceraei. bqt oae other pointv Go t:e purchasers of Illinois

coaly do tkey not pay a five cent---sales tax o'n evexy

toni-.or oa every dollar pai; for Iliinois coal?

P:CSIDI#G û'FICCRI 'ISZXAIOR DONXZNAZD)

Senator Johqs.

SE#ATOZ JOENSI

(/acààae cut-ofzl...believey Ladies and Gentlelea. that

Illinais. ranks tenth, iovn tenth in the taxes on its iadus-

tri.

PZESIDI'G OPAIC;EZ. (SZXITOR DONKX%ALD)

Senator keaver.

- 5z; 26. 1932

SEKàTOR 92âV2R:

yoq Kear tàe qqestion?

PEZSIDIKG OT#ICEAZ (SZNATOE DONNZQALD).

senator Johns.

SZ:ATOR JQHXSZ

I hearG the gqestione yes.

PRQSIDING O'FICXEZ . (SZXâTOR DOSSZQALB)

Senator keaFer.

S2:âT02 WEàVERI

4 does aot' one cent o: tNat five cents go back to tNeân

local coœtunity? L ..

#R25IDING OFPICZZI (SCXATQZ DOXXEQAtD)

Senator Johna.

S2:â'O2 .JDHXSZ

That's truee Juyt as it is on many other tàings aad yoq

vell ànox 1t..

PZZSIDING OPFICEEI ISCNATOR DONXC@AZD)

selator @eaver.

SE;ATQR .9:1722:

eeily ay oA2; poiat isy 'r. Presidente is this is just

going to add to tâe cost of eoectricity 'sold tbroug:out tàe

State of Illiaoisy aad Fàetàez or not tàe benefit derived

fro. a portion of . this going into coal researcà.. I dpnêt

knov. Feeve already establiehed a Coal Sond Researcâ Tunb inmiiiione and Millions of dollara whic: Naa not really beea

effectivelz qsed zet. So. at tàis polnte I loold stand i2.

opposition to 1329..

PRESIBI#G G'FICZEI N'KàTDZ DO##2@âLD)'

Is tâere further ilsc lssion?' Senator Deuuzio-

SZNATOE DEMUZIOZ

Tesy. thaak you: :r. President. giil the sponsor yieid

for a qaestionz

'EESIDIXG 0##Ic2Rz (SZXATOR DOKNSWAID)

- ;zZ 26y 1982

InGicates Ne vill.

S;:A'OR DESGZIOZ '

' Senakor Joàasy az I to-e.a/ I correct in---in assuzing

that the Baited Kine @orkers are...are strongly in sapport' of. f

!khis legislation at tàis time. Is tàat correct?

PRXSIDING O#TICRRZ (S2Xà'O2 DOX:d9àLD)I

Senator Jobas.

SZXATOR JGHXS;

àbsoiqtelr correctg one NunGred percent. 'L .

PEESIDIXG OFPICCRI (SEXATOR DOXXEQALD)

Genator .nenqzio. '

SEXATOR DEMBZIOZ

kell. I would like to poiat oqt that in so/e respect .

1...1 Go have to agree vith aoae of tàe speakera that have

- - - already spoke toiay on thls very issqe. that this indeed .ay

be a Fery bleak time àn order to--.to. bring aboqt a...a coal '

severence tax... Eowevere I shoql; aiso like to point...for

several reasons I gaess. nuaber oney because of t:e coal

glat: uamber tgo. becaaee of the Ioreiga œarkets that have

gokten into oqr-.-oqr o#n market. and I #i12 sa; tàat ïou and

h ha; soye long Gi scuasions about khis seze'rence taxI ave

over tàe years aad...and I am ptepare; tâis-..thïs morning to

support you. in your effort. I a*, âovëFer. going to watch

tNis legislatiol as it proceeda throqgh the Legislatule, anG

if tNere is ao rejqvenation of ::e coao indqstrr ia k:e Stake

of Illlnois before t:is bill geta out of t:e aouae.. perhaps

ve migNt have tàe opportaaity to Giscuss it as it proceeds

tkroug: tkat Cha-hor.. Thank yoq.

PEZSIDING OPFICERI (SEXATOR DOKXCVâID) .

Is there fqrther Giscussion? Senator Johns May ciose.

52NATO2 JOHSSZ

llright. %oœld I ask that my colleagqes pay close atten-

tion. One iz that ia Illlaois alone tàe atilities are onlr

qsing one-thirde the.--only one-thir; of all tàe utiiities

- :à< 26, 1982

gïl1 be.--affected bï tàis particqlar Passage of tàis partic-

lar bili. Miëvestern states by 1985 uill pa; close to 2.6q

billion Qoilara to westerR and aouthern states in severence

taxes. I copied tàis bill after Kentuckye a skate pr/bably

tàat-...ve as supposeGly sopâisticaked people say is redneck

coqutrye but tNey.ve beea utiii ziag khia tax to relain sol-

Teat. The State of Xoatana coliecks six .lollars aad

sixty-six cents a koa on Illinois coal 'an; it poars into t:is

State Iany. many ti/es. one-thir; od tàis uill be utilized.

Qhat for? To develop coale to aid tàe ukilities to put on

scrubbers- strange ènoqg*e senator leavery you vant fifteen

lillion Gollars for kâe Bni#èYWii# df' Illinois, an; t:e bondfunG that I1m ganting to put tàis moaey intov as Genator

suzbee kaovsy yesterday Ne spoke. one-thir; of tNat money is

to cowe fro/ tàe boad fuad for Illinoàs coal. Tkis woul;

Aelp fua; t:e very projeck that yoœ seek to,ha/e in yoqr' localized area. Illlnois coal ls àlgh aalfux coao and t:e

prodqctioa is Qovn because of tkat Fery reason. Coal compa-

nies 7111 tell you tke environzenkal reguiAtipns are t:e

problels. ïowy 1et me point out' aometàlng else to you.

. Thiak of 'tkis Fery closelye Senator. One year is tNe effec-

tive date fro. Jaiy 1st.. If you Repablicans believe in iour

Presideak an; khat'tNis recession will en4 anG wè*ll :ave an

upsvlnge. then zou#re goiag to aeeG ateely yok 're goiag to

need coal to produce tàe catse yonêre going to hage produc-

tioa goiag. agaia, and thene. and onzy thea, coqld this biii

kick in.. . Qae year. n e Go/ernory. if he NaG. aigne; tàls bH l

1n .1975 ?ou14 have capture; a quarter ot a killioa. dollars

for this Gtate. I Gare saye if Governor Jiœ 'hoœpson were on

khis eloor today and put his àand on the 3ible. he woql; tell

yoq ke probably regrets not signing that 'bill becaqse ke

golldn't Xe scratchlng toda: for dollars. Qe voqzdn't be

:itting a deferred payœent on education. He vouldn't be

trying to tax gasolihe. aud cigarettese and liquory and

R - 5lY 26y 1982

everything else becaqse ge coald Nave 5een solFent. dr.

President. I move for a favorable çoll call on tNis votee

please.

PRCSIDIXG OPFICZEZ (SZWITOR DO:XE9ALD)

àirigNtv . tNe qqestion is, shall senate 3ili 1329 pass..

:ose t: favor vo'e zye. Tkose oppose; say. trke vottug isT

open. Eave aIl khose Fote; vNo vish'' Have a1l thpse vote;

who gisN? qave all t*ose voted v:o v1sh2 Take the record.

on t:at gqestion. the Ayes are 29, t:e xays are 30.

Senate..-senator Johas reqqests postponed consiieration.

Consideration is postponed., (sacâine cqt-offle-Dezqzio, for

vkat purpose Go you. arize;

SERâTO: DE87ZIDz

Thaak yoq. :2.. Presideat. à poiat of pariiaaentary

inqqiry.. àre we-..does the chair iaten; to go to zotions in

vriting today? 1...1 filed a motioa oa the Senate Bill 1313

oa t:e election of Com*erce Colmissioa Ieœbers. âre ve golng

to 'go to kha: order oî business today?

PReSIDI#G OFFICEE: (SENâTOR D0#K2@AtD)

Xo.

S2#â'02 nXd0ZI0z

@èlle I move. :r. FresiGente we go to' the Qrder of aqsi-

aess of iotions.

2l251nING 0P;IC2Rz (S:NàT0R n0:x;%âLD)

Tàat aokloa is ouk of order. #eRre 44 k;ê order ol 3rd

Readings. Senator.. Seaate. aill 135:. Senator ardce. Read

tàe bille Mr. Secretarz.

SZCZETARIZ

Senate Bi'll 1358.

(secretary reads tikle of :ill)

3r; reading of tàe bill.

PEZSIDING O'FICZRI . (SENâTON nO:#E@âID)

Senakor Bruce.

S25â;OR BRBCEZ

- ;Ar 26, 1982

Thank yoq. :r. PresiGent an4 membera of the Senate. Ibis

is the bill uhich *as tàe companion to Seaate Bill 1357.

Becaase an aœendmeat caae up a litti: late yesterëa; ve did

not œove it out.. 'his is the fundtng mechanism for tàe com-

munity college fuaGs Mhich ge ran out of àere yesterday. It

is tàe fundâng 'ormala at 'tke leFel approved by tàe àppropri-

ations comœittee which adds an aGditional eighty-eight cents

per..-average of eig:ty-eight cents increase per credit hour

grant. I 1ou2d ask Jor lonr fav/rable consideration.

PRZSIDING OPZICZ.RZ (SZSATQR 90ïXZ%àLD)

I tNere ëiacqasion? TNe qO stion ise sâall Senate B.t.1.ls

1358 pass. 'hoae in faFar vote âye. Those opposed xay.. Tàe

Foting is open.. Have ali those voted #ho vish? Qave all

khose'voted ::o gish? Take tâe record. 0n tàak question.t

the àyes.are 58e khe :ars are noae. Senate Bill 1358 Naviag

receiged the conskikutional œajority is ieclareâ passed.

Senate Bi11 1363. Senator carroll. aea; tâe lille :r. Secre-

tary. .

SECRETARI:

Geaate 3ill 1363. .

(Secretarz reais title of bill)

3r4 readïng of the Xili.

PZZSIDI'G OFFICERZ (SEXZTOR DOXNE%ALD)

senator Carroll.

SCNATOR cA2aOtLz

TNank yoq, :r. PreaiGenk aaG tadies anG Gentleœen of the

Senate.. Tbis is kâe omnibus commission bill for those

co@xissions that àave been fiied in t:e Senate. to-vitz tNe

dotor Vehicle tags Cqoœission, âtomic Xnergr Commissiony

ithaic Geritagee Publlc Employees Pensione Pensioa Lawse

crimiaal Sentencing and Comxission to Visit and Examiae state

Iastitutions. as we2l as Jadicialy Advisory Council. I uoqld

ask for a fagoralle roll call.

VRISZDIWG OFTIC:RJ (SZNATOR DOXXEWALD)

- EàI 26, 1982

Is tàeze discqsstou: Senator Keats.

SEAATO: KSATSZ

Qonld the sponsor yiel; for a guestionz

PRESIDIAG OFPICERZ (SENATOR DONNEVALD)

He indicates he vill.

SZ>ATO: KZATSZ

On tàese particalar pork barrel col*issions. hog ba4 is

t:e increased rip off on a couple of these line lteas?

P/ESIDIXG O'PICERI (5;:âTOR DOXXE9ALD)

Senator Carroil.

SANATOR CARROLLZ

Since ge never Geal with Pork ia mr co*lission-..in Ky

. colzitteey I canfk ansxer your question.

#RZSIDING OFFICCRZ (SZNATOR DOXXZQALD)

âre. there fqrkàer gueatlonse senator Keats?

5:5àTOE KEâT5z

.. .1 stand corrected.. These excelient conmisaions that

do absolately aotàlng, in œany casesy'kould you tell us :ov

aqch œore tàey:re going. to cost us this year than last year'

lnd I apologize fof sqcN a nasty reference to these flne

comlissioas.

PRZSIDIJJ De#IC2Rz (SZNJTOX DOï:eWâZD)

Senator Carroll.

SEXATOR CARROLLZ

I donft care aboat Foar refereace ta the comxisaions. ve

Jqst Gontt deal gitâ that topic in 1: co/mïttee. Ia factg

one colmission wili be kig:er than last iear's level of fqni-ing and that is the Visiting and Xxamiaiag of State Inati-

tutions Commission. The otàers...three of t:e commissiols

kave basicaily ao c Nahge or minimal dogacàange. The others

raage from tvo percent to forty-tgo percent decreaserin faad-.

ing froa last year's level.

ZRESIDING OPeICERZ (SEXATOE DONS;/ALD)

Is there farther Giscussioa? senator Tokten. Is there

l;

- :âY 26. 1982

fq*ther Giacussion? Geaator Collins.

SEXàTGZ COLLIXS:

Question of t:e aponsor..

PRESIDIXG QPFICZEZ ISB:âQOR DD:NZVALD)

InGicates àe vill respond.

SZNAIOR COLLI#S:

Senator' Carrolly does tNis bill àage a1i of the commis-

sipns in it7

PRESIDI:G O#fIC2Rz (SEKâTOR D/xsE%;L5)

Senator çarroll.

SZAATOA Câ2R0ILz

xoe. sepàtor Collihs. It Merely consoliGated a11 of the

commissions that ha; fiie; bills in t:e Senate.. There is a

similar bill ia t:e Bouse gkic: coatains a great namber of

coœmissions as vell. Tkis one deals uitN eigNt comxissions.

PRZSIDIXG O##IC22z (SZXAIOR DQXNEWILD)

Senator collias.

SCXITOR COILINSZ.

Do you :ave aaz idea of tàe total'appropriations for all

of the coamissions ptoposeG?

PRZSIDING OTrlizRz (SENATOE DDNXE:ALD)senator Carroli.

' SENATOE CAQROZLZ

xo. Tkise againe ia only part of all of t:e oaes tàat

are aroumd. This one is a approxiœately seven àandred an;

sixty thousand tgo handred Gollars :or the seven coœbined-

The Hoqse. obviously, Nas a sigaificant aumber of coxaiasions

as vell. and it xoqi; reatly be too early in tNe year to

figure out exactly ghaà t:ose ap.propriations vill be. As tue

iouae :i2l comès over an; this gets to passage stage. assum-

&Dg it does in tXe Qoase. tàen ue voul; be better able to

give you an ideatificatioa of what that total voulG be.

ZEESIDIXG OFFXCXRZ (SXKATOE DONM:WALD)

Senator colliaa.

- dâY 26: 1982

S;XARQR COLZI:S:

Do yoq kno? whak the total uas last yearz

P:CSIDIAG O'FICZRZ (SZ#ATOR DOyNE:ALD)

Genator Carroll.

3EXàQO2 CIRROLLI

Offkaudy. no.

PRESIDING 0#rICZQz (SE:ATOR DON:2%àLD)

Is there fqrther discqssion? The question zsy shall

Senate Bill 1363 pass. Thoge in favor vote zre. rbose

opppsed Nay/ 'he goting is open. Bave all those vote; vho

wish? Have aIl those voted v:o lisb; 'ake the record. 0n

tàat qqestion. the àyes are %0. the nays are 14e 1' Voting

zxesent. Seaate 3i1l 1363 having receiTed t:e cona' itqtional

lajority is declared passed.. Senate' Biil 136 . Senator

Lemke. . Read the bill, :r. Secretarz.

SECRETIRII

Seaate Bill 1366.

(Secretar; reada tïtle of b112)

3r; readihg of the bill.

PRESIDI:G O'TIQZRZ (SENATOR D0:92:àID) .

Sehator Ieake.

SE<ATOE' L2dKfr

Qàat tkis bill does is remoge tbe exemption ïor.--gives

aa exemptlon to càqrches aa4 càurcâ acAools for #lectric and

gas utilities. @hat thia does is belps tNeae schools to.

.l. .

functioa ao khat kàer don't haFe to pax tàe-..tàe âigh cost

of qtilitles. . In one iacident tàate 1 ' bellevee a chqrch

scâool .ia ay area pays a atility bill of about sixty tâousan;

dollars. and this. woui; mean a sqbstantial savlngs to theo.

3at I tàinà it's more immortant txat...to look at tâe fiscal

impact-, Tke fiscal impack for public sckoois wa2 lesa thaa

foar œillionv this fiscal iœpactg accorâiag to t''o depart-

ment: ïs.-.thez#re qnable to ieter/ine, and it. should be con-

siderably lesa.-.aa; I assume less tNaa a lillion doiiazs..

- dâr 26, 1982

d àink tàat ge as a body sàoald do so*ethllg 'to assistân I t

private schoois to keep fuactioaingz because as long as tbey

fqaction. t:e burden of teaching khese stqGents is on t:em

aa4 aot on tEe Public. and ge have troable gith public fqnds.

I'tàink it's a good biil. I ask far its adoption.

PRZSIDIRG OFFICZR: (SESATOR DOX:;9ALD)

Senator SchaaeKan.

S25â1O8 'SC;BXE/IXI

Qqestion of the sponsory dr. Preaiâent.

PRCGIDIXG O'FIC;RZ (52XATO2 DQXKERALD)

Indicates Ne vill respon4.

GENATOR SCHGKCdA'Z

Senator. Goes your bili apply to oniy c:urch related

schools or does it ûlso appiy to the càurckes?

PRQGIDING OPPIC:EZ (SENATOR DONNZRALD)

seaator Leake.

SEIATOR tEd:Ez,

It applies to religiouz inatitutioase whicb I'* going by

vbat tNe Departmeat of aevenqe gaFe me as a definltion of

wNat they coasider a church. TNia goql; include diy scâools

as uell as.--Ahe càqrcà bo4y. 1...1 îoqld assuze that it

golld inclqde cNarcàes beca qse we-.-tâere'à ao #ay o: sepa-

rating tàe tgo.

PEESIDIAG O'FICERI (SCXàTOR DOXNZRALD)

Senator.-eseaator Scàune/an.'

SERATOR ScEcxE5A:I ,

lelle tàat vas tâe polnt pf ay questioag Seaatore lhetâer

we are exclqding taxes to be paid by ali chqrches or just

acàools that are related to charches. àn; are yod' teliiaq me

tàat---tNat tNe bili applies to both?

PRESIDING O'PZCERZ (SX%àTOR DO:NZ/ALD)

Semator Ieake.

SEKATOR LCSKE:

Tes. I belleve it...I taike; ko the Department of

- :âY' 26# 1982

'd have to use tàe pres'entReFenae. kàere is no #ay of-..they

definikion of reilgious an4 that gould ihclude the ehqrch as

geil as t:e scbool.

PACSIDING OEPICEE: (SE:àTQa DONx2RALn) .

Senator schune*an.

S'NATOR scEczedAxr '

Relle tNank youe Er. President. Unpopular as it probably

iay 1...1 feel I àave to stanG ia opposition to this biil. I

tkink tha t---tNat ve œay see ourselvee exe/ptin: chqrches

to4ayy frateraai organizations. service clqbs. veteran's

gzoups komorrov. and I suggest t:at this b1ll war be going

too far. If it were oalx' lilited to the churc: relate;

scâools. tàen perAaps ve'd be conslstent in vàat ve d1d

yesterGayy but ii seems to *e this.-.tkis goes beyoad that

aa4 I rise in oppositioa to tNe biil.

PQCSIDIXG OFrICEZ: (SZXATOR 5R;CE)

Fuzthez discqssion? Senator Gzotberg.

SEAATOE GROTSXRGZ

Thank yoa.. :r. Presideat. â qaestion of the sponsor.

Senator Lexkey ghat happens no? gitN the charitakle organiza-

.ttons? Is.--do---are the; alloved a refanG of any kind on

taxes paid? Hov.e.àov do kher gek around to taxes no? or do

tàez Just paz tàew and eat t:e*2

PZCSIDIXG OF#ICZRZ (S:%àfOE BRUCC)

Senator Lezke.

SZNATOZ LEMKET.

This tax tâer pay and eat. zhere*s some other taxea

tàeyêre exe/pt fzox like reai estate taxes aàd vater taxes

aa4 thinqa. Ik's up to t:e local governheqte but-.wan; this

tax they pay Girectly to the qtility companz so the utility

cowpanr aust collect. 1 khiake a five percent tax. so t:er

pay this tax Qirect---tvo percent is---is a tax t:ak goes ko

+àe indiFidual and tAree Percent is a tax tàat gpes to t:e

utility. ghak this does is elizlnate the tvo perceat tax

- :zï 26e 1982

t:at t:e chqrc: has to pay to aake ap t:e five percenké bqt

tNe utility mast paz f&ve percent. ghat this will do, by

Going tbis, the utility vill oaly kave to pay tàree and the

churches von't have to pay the tgo.

PR;SIDI#G OFFICE:: (S:#zTOR B:0cE)

senator.Grotberg.

SE:l'O: GaO2529Gz'

Tkaak you. . T:ea under this billy hov ia it aGainistered,

in the forz of a refund or 4o they jqst change the tax èate

on your monthly bill?

PRESIDING. OPTICEZZ (SCXATOR BXOCEO

Senator Lelke.

S;XàïO2 LElKzz

'àey'll ïult slmpl; change t:e tax rate on zour Montxi;

bill. if you#re a...

PRESIDI'G OTFICERZ (SENA'OE 3:0CE)

Senator G6otberg. .

SEXITOR LZMKEI

. . .fi* into kb&s category.

SZXàQOR GZOT3CZGI

@eol, thank zoa, dr. Presldent. xow.ko tAe bille I just

Glscovered in tàe analysis tkat I carrieG this bill laat tiae

arouad.. I Aave a feeling I#m going ko vote for it. Thank

F0q*

PaESIDING OPTICERZ (SENAQOE 3R0t:)

senator EaNar.

SESàTOR HIHAQZ

'haak yoûy :2. President. Kili the sponsor yield for a

question?

PRESIDIXG' O'TICCRZ (5251:02 :R7CX)

He indicates Ne wiil yieliy Seaator Kahaz.

SEXATOE NAHARZ

senator Le œkee mauy maaici/alities have a qtilit; tax

tâat tàey ad4 oa. Does khia exelpk t:e càarcàes ïro? the

Paqe 122 - :zr 26e 1982

qtilitr tax ai tâe local legel?

PEESIDISG OFFICEa: (SCNATOR 3:BC:)

Senator ie*ke.

SENATOR LEdKZ':

This does aot apply to local manicipal taxms. Tàis only

appiies to State taxesy t:e State kga percent taxe it doea

not appiz to tâose. Iet tâe local goFernxeat deci4e whet:er

t: Malt to..-sole local governments exempt càaritiese some@#

Gon:t., 2 meane ites up to tâe* ko decldee I'* aot goiag to

ge: ingolgêie I ioh''t believe in compeiling local governmen:

to .do anythin:w and if I dïd.. veed get hooked ander tàe

san4ates âct. so let the. do it t:emselves. Tbis is only the

State's part.

PRCSIDIXG DFTICCRZ (5::àT09 BRncE)

Furtker iiscusaion? Senakor qgan.

SS:ATOZ ZGI'Z

Thank youg ' ;r. President aa; aembers of t:e Senate.,

zarlier in tàe sessione khe sponsor of kàis bill a'forëed œe

t:e oppartunity to become the àipàeaated co-sponsor. and

becaase of.-.of the bqrGen oï tàe times, I iaadvertenàly ;&â

aot do that.: At this time I goul; like ko accept tàat offer

and.-waad be ïisked as the hypkenated eo-spoosor.. zad I

tàink that in sapport of the bllle just to say. ites a goo;

tàlag to do aad I ask for zoqr faForable coaslderation.

ZRESIDIIG OerlcERz (SENâT0R'BaUc:)

Is there leave to-..shov Seaator Egaa as a Joiat

co-sponsor? Ieave is granteG-e.senator Grotberg kaats to be

Joined aa a cq-sponsore Senator carrozl a- a co-sponsor.

Senator---alrigàke wà7 Goa't all of you vho haFe. seen tNe

Kerit of thls legislatiop tell tàe Secletary. Fœrther

Qiscussioa? Senator nexqzio.

SENATOR Dziuzl/:

gell, yes, I*d liàe to ask the spoxsor a couple ques-

tionsg if I may. Pirst of a12. Senator lexke.. doea

zage 123 - dz; 26, 1982

. ' .x..this--.voulâ this apply to Private colleges tbat baFe---that

are---#àat are affiliaked vitN a reiigious domination accord-

iRg to yoqr aéendment? goul; t:e private institutions qual-

ify nadar this?'

PR:5IDI:G.0##IcE2z (G2:àTOâ :RBc:)

Senator iewke..

SZWATOR Lz:Kzz

àccorGing to œy staffe Ne aays---àe says. Ies.

PRCSIDI#G' OFFICCRZ (S;#1TOR BRUCE)

Senator Demqzio.

SZXATOR Dzzqzloz

'kell, if...if yoq-..is tkeze anrthinq kn your amendnent

that Geternines or defiles vhat a religioas.--vbat reli-

giousw--cNurch or religious Golination weans? Is there any-

tàing cogered in this 4efiaition?

PQESIDIXG OZ#ICCRZ (SZAàTO: BRnc:)

Senator Iemke.

'3;:lTOR IEKKEZ

In...no. aot in Ky bilie :qt in talking to tNe Departœent

of aeveaqe. tàey kave a standardo--definltion wâich bas gone

to cuurt and :as beea Geciied wNat a religioqs-.-and have

revised tNat there is a staldar; defiaition vhat a religious

institution is in tNat defiaitiop of Departœêat of Revenue.

#RzsIDIxG. oeelczaz lszxlToR Bnncz)

Senator Demœzio.

SEXàTOR DE'7ZIOz'.

caà you--.can you-..caa yoq tell Me---l've asked tNe

c:airman o: revenae and qnable to gek an ansvere Nov

aucâ...vhat t:> revenue impact is to the state. of zliinois if

t:tsu-.if this bill is adotped?

PEZSIDI'G OPTICRRZ' (SZKATO: SRBCZ)

senator Leaxe.

SESATOE 'ZE;KZZ

àccoriing to the fiscai aote tNat I got---the studyy it

@ - :zT 26e 1982

vas.-.tàey coqldn't œeasure it and.-.acd tNe; considered it

to be..-aot :e very much.

PECSIDING QTeIC:Z: (S;:àTOE 3&7C2)

Smaator Deaqzlo..

SZNAIOR LZ/KZI

'Nates the note I got.

ZRESIDING OFFICCR: (S2%âQOR 3RBCE)

'urther Giscussion? Genator xetscb.

5;lâTO/ 'ZTSCNZ

1...1 woqld point oat. *ogever. that at the time

fiscal noke @as requested froœ econoœic an4 fiscal Co*œis-

siok.-.an; it is traey they aaië tbat they did aot have any

inforaation on t:e alount of sales of c ectrlcity ko anz

ckurc: religioas educational institutic broken oute bqt

siace tâene the biil has also been ammndedl. as I recall and

understan4 i*. to exempt all of these inst tutions and groups

fro/ a1l t:e other skate utilitr taxes so tkat tàat-.-tâat

zero is nov zero compoqaded maay ti/ese Senator temke.

PAZSIDING QEFICBAZ (SZNATOR BRBc2)

Further disc qssion? Senatot Dagson.

SENATOR DA:s0xz

Seaatol Le*kee I like to àage a..wask a guestion. In ay

Gistrict I hage quite a feg storefroaz churches, are all

tàese going to qaalify for that?

PRZSIDIXG O'PICERI (SZNATOE BRUCE)

Senator lemke.

SZXATOR LchKcz

If they qqalifr under tke present tax exexption of tNe

Department pf zeveaue, then khey v&ll qqalify. If they Gon't

qaalify unûer that. tNen they voulda't qaaiiïy. I anderstan;

that they ëid a.-.t:ey Gid a surve; on ity an; Representative

Huskey :ad a biil abouk tbe license pAates an; tbey did a

sarvey aad they have deterwiaed thaty you knove tNat certain

placea get an; some. of thel don't. :at I doa't tàink becaasq

that tNe

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a, ckqrch starts off ia a storefront or i: it starts off in a

garage. I caa rememker our churcx started off in a basement

anG it's guàte large. I kaov .a lot of 'churches like St. 3au1

that starte4 off &n a storefront an4 now are miilion dollar

ckqrches.. So. I KeAny. you can't start silecting wàich reli-

gion is ca pable or g:ich religioh isn't. I mean. yoa knov.

But I thiuk itês good bill. ând Senator Netsch. if you

mlztàplr zero by zeroe zou atill get zero.

PiZSIDISG O?TICCRZ (Sdïâ'0â BZBCZ)

eurtâer dlscqsslon? Seaator schaffer.

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PQKSIDING OPFICZRZ ISENATOA BEOCE)

Diècussion? Senator Schaffer.

SZXAIOR SCEATF:R:

5r., Presiiente tàis bill kas lntrodqced on darch 23.

Betveea now and tàenv I have not receiged oae PhlAe cally one'1 .

postcarde oae letterg one telegramy or one piece of coaversa-

. tioa fro? anyone in fagor of it. I auspect Most of us on the

eloor are in a. aililar sitqation. I xoql4 suggest to yoq

tkat tkere are a lot of people asking 'or jax reiief and thatve ought not to give tNeœ tax relief antil they at least ask

us ;or it.

PEZSIDIXG OPTICERZ (SZ:ATQE BRUCE)

rqrt:er discqssion'' Senator serning.

S:xâTt)z SCAXINGIN Secon; Gebate going Netey Xr. PresiGeat. I have a gues-

tioa for tâe sponsor. if roq ville please. I Na/e a copy o;

k:e Anendment Mo. 1 in ay àan; and let me read' tà% underlined

Torkioa oa Qlaes 14-1Se *axeapt-..except receipta obtained

fra/ any charch or religious Genomination. frbz tlansmission

of *essages-*, senator. vkat uould ue be' Gping if we passed a

bill like tNis designating religioqs ienomination? Rkat is a

religious denomlnation? Ta tàat not a generâc. kera?

PRESIDIXG OF#ICEZZ (SBXATDR 5:;CZ)

Senator Lemke.

SENITOR LZSKXZ

'hat is a standard language qaed br t:e Departlent of

zevenue aa; tàey Eave a decision as to vhat a.-wa religious

denoaiaation is. Theyeve been to court many tinms on that

and they àave that basie ia case laxe an; it's there what a

reiigious denomination is. trie; to talk to fhea as ko

gàat category it ia# and tNey saië t:at eac: case as it comes

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4P: they're *1Wa;S tested an; Sozetizes tNe definitioh

ràaagese soaetime it stays tàe saae on those coqrt decisionsy

bqt tha: is ietermined by decisions of coart.

PR:SIDI'G O'FICBRI (52:âT0R BRUCE)

Senator Berûinq.

SZ#RTOR B:RAIXGZ

kell. it seezs'to me tNat an aaendment sqcà as yoa are

proposing..-or a b&ll sqck as ;ou are proposing can be spe-

cific in its deflnltlon. xhen it sarsv a4à I go ony

*zeceipts obtaine4 fzo. any chqrcN or religioqs denomination

froa transmission of Kessageso* %ell: nowe I sùbmit to you

tâat that's going to be impossible to determine. ând on tàe

next pagee of coqrae, it goes on. l'or receipts from gas sold

to any church or religlous Genouination./ I Goh't see that

yoqere-.-ever able to ideatify tâaty Senator.

PAESIDIXG OTTICZR: (SEAATOE BRBCX)

Senator Lelke.

SEXATOR ICMXE:

Senator Berniage fot yeara in t:e State of Illinoisy

local governœenks and coqntles kave been exeœpting religioqs

denomina tioase an4 there are. coqrt iecisioas oq vhat a 'reli-

gious Genopiaation is. It's tNeree. it'a on the. books and

theytve been Going it foI years. ànd couaty taxesy they àave

no problen vith determinàag vhat a religioas deuoœinatioa isy

an4 I thiaky Seaatoc Beraiage yoq may be a li#tle ponfuaed as

tow-.that khere is ao caae Iavw but there is caae 2av eveA on

vNat--.aay Veteraaa. group pr aay type of group isy there are

case laws. ând it's very tigàt anG it changes with

the-..vità tàe couzt and uith ghat the Supreme court of this

State doese and tàeze is Gefinttionsy.aad the nppartxent of

'egenqe assures ïe that there's ao *ar o,f coling up gith a

set definition githout that being immediately câalleaged and

going to court anG. deciale; unconstitutionaly that the best

1ay to haadze *àe dekinition of rellgloas demoainaàlonsy or

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charity groupsy or Veterans: groups is to follov t*e case lav

and their rales and regalatlonsv aad I kàiak tkey*re

right---aa; it aeems li.ke the Department of Eegenue is very

tig:'t in consttqing ghat religioas denoœinatlons are and if

they are too tight. they*re usaally taken to court. Soy I

think it's a bad policy to se+ in tNis Act vâat a religious

iaation is beca ase .we*d have to go târough a2l tàe Gtat-Genom

ates an4 set qp--oœake Gefinltioas in all those what a reli-

gloqs deaoxination is. I think it uoulGe--it's best to let

to the Depart/ent to deterKine-'

PREGIDIXG OPPICZRI (SZ:ATOR BEUCE)

èurther .iiscassion? Senator salovitz.

SZXRTOR ;zaOVITZz

'àaak roa. ;r. President. Just a gaestion of the aponsor.

1: we are exempting all these religious institutionsy man; of

vhicà xe ion't eFen knov Nov mahy-o-religious. charitable aaG

e4acati'anaAw we don't knog :ow many there are, if ve are

exeapking thezz, obviousiy tkat Keahs someoae is going to bave

i k='a# khe revenue. 7ho is goiag.--is this going to costP < .

tâe resldentlal cuatoaer' aore aone; siace tàe utàlity conpa-

nies are obviouslr gcing to receive lesa?

PRZSIDING OF#ICE:I (SENâTOE 5:7CZ)

Senator Iee e. .

S;XlT0R L:ëKC:

ho. this vill aot qo iato tke-..this domsalt affect t:e

ratee tkis is just a strict tax. @katever t:e.-wwhatever

rate is câarged: okay. T:e utility is ao* paziag t:e eatra

two percent.e-thez#re only paying tNree percent vhicà tàey

algays Pay noM., So. the atility castoaers vill not be payiag

tàe tgo #erceat.

PZESIDING OYPICXQZ (GENàTO: BE;C2)

Senator àarogitz.

SZNATOE :ARnVITZI

okayy so then the State-.-l--mlg? sorry---the State is

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- dâT 26. 1982

receivilg less moneye I meany is tàere---is there no way of

Geterlining.--aince xe Nave religioase càatikqble and edaca-

. tlonal institqtions not incluGedy is khere no vay of deter-

mining àov 'many institutions weereitalking about: ày and 3.

:og . muc: this is going to cost t:e state of Illinois in lost,

' ;'revenue? 1

'

PRXSIDING O'fICERZ (SZ#â'0R BEBCE)

Senator Lemke.

Sllâro: tzslf:

âccording to t:e fiscal aote. yoœ knov. they said it vas

hot very mach aaG they was unable to deteruine 'vhat t:e exact '

l woqltl be Tàak's uhat the f iscal aote said ''' - '' ''' '' '' '''@SS . . .

PRESIDING OF#ICZAZ (SEXATOR BZQCE) '

eurtker disc ussion? senator xetscb.

. SENATOE A:TSCHZ .

If 1 wight jqst aG: to tkat once worey it is trqe tàat '

t:e fiscal nate coqld' aot coKe up witN a flgqre. lNey dldn't

say it Moalinêt cosk mqcâe Senator tezke: tàey jqst saiG tNey '

coql; not deterline it beca ?se tkere was no basis oa wàich to

Getermine it. It is also trqe tàat at the tiœe this bili #as

in conaitteee it gas.voted oqty, althoqgà I think t:e vote gas

5-3-3. so it waa not' aa overvhelaing gote. bqt it gas vit:

tàe understanding that if possibie kNe definition gould be

tigàtene; up. Instea4y. aa axenGment uas offered on the Ploor

vâic: further exempted t:e'q from tâe gas tax aa; kNe message

taxe so thak it was broadened rather than narroved. ïoge' tbere is no question that khis is going to kave a aignificant

impact on the State revenues fro? those sources. aaging said

tàat. I'a sure t:e biil *a*11 go 'lying oat if Eere.

PE:SIDIKG O'PICZRI (SEWATOR IEUC') IAIZ rlgàt: anz furtker debate? Any further debate?

'Senator le/ke. aay close.

SeNATOR LZMKEZ

I tàink tkaty Just to set tNd record straighk as far as .

> 'l1 26. 1982

Senator #etscày I #as going to aœead ik to

iaclqde gas.-.gas 'or âeattng. 2ut I k*ink thia is a goo;.

fbà1l and I khïak ït#s a positive step to àelp Teople lith

their ever growing energy crisis'e and it spreaia t:e savings

acroas tàe baard aad .ill gveataally help as in thls Skate to

say tkat.-.to qtility companieae quit cNarging the large

rakes and gult tryiag to pass tàlngs af; on the people. 3?t

. thia does not iucrease rates on the utilities. it Qaesn't

increase anybody*s ova bille aad I think it's a good bille

an; I tàink itea positiFe legislations. I ask for its adop-

tion.

PRESIDIXG O'FICER: (SCXITOR B:;C2)

Question.is, skall Senate Bill 1366 pass.. Those in favor

will Fote âye. Those oppose; vote xay. The votiag is open.

'Have aIi voted ?ho gish? EaFe all Foted #ào wisà; Take k:e

recorG. 0n tàat guestion. the lyes are 39y tNe...the 'ays

are 18, none Voting Preseat? seaate Biil 1366' haviag

receive; t:e requiçed constitœtional 'Ialority ls âeclare;

passed. Senate Bili 1377. Genator Savickas. Senator

Savickas. Read the bille dr--secretarye please.

AC:IXG SECEETARII (MR. ;CRAAXDES)

Senate B&li 1377..

I 4i4 meakion that

(Secretary reads title of bill.i

3rd reading of tàe blll.

ZRESIDING OPPICEZZ (SEXATOE BZUCC)

senator Gavickas.

SENàTOR SlVIcKA5z

Tes. hr. zresident an4 members of the Senatee seaate Bill

1377 voul; provide for transfer'of the CNicago fire nepart-

menk parameiics fro. the Chicago 'anicfpal imployees Pension

rund to t:e Chicago fireaen4s Pe lsioa Pqnd. Tâis aKend-

xent-..or this blll xas drafted puraqaat to tàe original

agreeaent betgeen the Chicago Firefighters Bnion and the City

of Chicago and'goœld provide tNe folzowiagz It goql; extend

- :âI 26, 1982

tke Chïcago eireœenes exexption Trox workerls co/pensatioa

' co/erage to tNe chicago paramedicse it gould clarify tàe

ti/ing of the transfer from tNe 'unicipal Penslon rond to *he

Fire/en's Fqndy aad the paraaedics service vitkia t:e fqnd

voqA; commence Jaauary.. 1981 parsuant to a coatribation for

serFice tàroagà January of :83. an; it eliainatea t:e con-

tribution for aalary aaounts ia . excesa of perœanent rank

rakea. 'âïs will preserve the integrity of tNe fun; by

eliminating the xgindfali pensions for hlgher salary adminis-

trative eœployees. I Yoald sollcit a favorite..-a favorable

vote on this blll.

PRZGQDISG 0F2IC:RI (sZxà'0R :EnC2)

Is tNere discussionz Senator serhing.

S2:àQOR 32E'1ïGz

Qqestion of tàe Sponsor. please. Senatore lere yoq not

going to fqraish tàls Body an official stateœent frol tàe

City of Ckicago renouncing the obligation vhich khe State

gould Nave aader t:e State 'andates Act for tbis foqr kundred

'ifty thousand iollars a year whic: this bi11 vill cost aad

I said per year.. Ras that aot the agreexent. senator?

PRESZDISG O'TICERZ (SESâTOR 3RGCE)

Senator savickas.

SENàTO: SàVICN&SZ

Ies, we...I Gon't kno? &f that #as the agreementg we

talked alou: tàat ln c Jaaitteee and tâe citx àas agreed to

siga off aax obllgaàioa of tâe State under tàe Stake 'andates

àct vith the passage of khis bill. I Gonft knog if tNey siga

off. before t:e bili is pasaed or after tâe biil is passed.

PRESIDI#G OFFICCRZ (SCNATDR B2;C2)

Senator Berning.

SZXàTOE BZRNIXGZ

geile it *aa My distinct understandingy and I'* sure that

of 'the atber meabera ol tXe coaaitteee, tâat thia was a state-

lent that uouid be farniphed to qs before consideration. of

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any kiad vas gigen to the bill. . Senator. it voul; be totaliy

irrelevent' to. have a statemeqt coae holiing the State hara-

less after ve hage passe; t:is an; assume; the obligatioa.

suggest tâat ge do one of tvo tNingse :r. Presidentv eitâer

t:e bill be taken out of the recorâ and tNe Senakor proceed

to sqpply us vith tbat koid-harmless skateaent frox tàe city

of ckica goe or ia i:e aoteraatlvee. ge voqld lave to Jefeat

khe bill.

P:ESIDIïG OTEICCZ: (SCNATOR 3R;Cd)

zurther discuasion? Senator Savickas.

szsxvoR szvlckzsr.

tell. éenaior. I vou14 take it out of tke record then and

trr to g:t it âere bx toaorrox or some trpe of comaanication

that vould ia4icate tNe cityes inten't to hol; the state Narm-

less in thls and call lt toaortov.

PRZSIDING O'FICSE: (SZ#âTOR 5Q;C:)

àll right.

S;KATOR SAVICKASZ

Is ther: leave ko take it oqt of tàe record aad call it

for tomorrog tàen?

PRZSQDING OPEICEEI (SEX&TOZ BRBCE)

Is kNere leaFe to taxe.it out of the record aad thak we

get to it tomorrov? Leave is granted. Senate Bili 1393.

Senakor ScNaffer. Rea; the bill 'r. Secretarye please..# .

Juvt to alert the leabersNip that this the first. of aboat

fiftmen or twent; appropriation billa that ge giAl bey I

think. going khroug: rapidly. so sta; neal yoqr svitcN.

senakor Scàaffer-e-rea; tNe bill. :r. secretary, please.

ACTING SECQETARYZ (:R.. PERXINDES)

senate 3il1 1393.


3rd readiag of the bill.

PRZSZDIXG OFPICZZ: (SZNâTOE BRgCX)

Senator Sckaffer.

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SENATOR SCRâFTEE:

Thi; ia a suppleneakal an; tzansfer bill for the fï

982...flsca1 Jear. It amends the Gaardianskip 'anG âdvocacy

Commissiouvand appropriates an adiitional-.-tzansfers seven-

kF-five thousand froa the Personnel liae items to the Service

liae ite/. Traaafers-w.pardoa mey appro/rlates 'an additionai

tgo handred and eigktyvtvo thousan; fo2 the hilitary and

Naval Deplrtœente this is for armories: qtilitiese ve

undetbudgete; again. as ' qsual. àmeads tNe Depart/ent of

denkal Eealth Disabilitese appropriates a total transfer of

tgo million five ninety-eighk anong varioqs line itemse an;

transfers so/e fortr-tvo xi liion doilars vort: of llne items

ln t:e Pqbllc àid bqdget. I ionft tâink any of it is con-

trogersial.

PQCSIDING OTFICZRZ (S;XATOR BEGC2)

Questlon ise sâall Senate :112 1393 pasa. Tkose in favor

vote Are. Those oppoaed vote Xay. The Foting is open. Rave

ail Toted *ho gish2 Rage a11 voted who visN? Take the

zecord. Da tkat qqestione k:e âyes aze 52. the Nays are

lolee Rone Votiqg Present., Senate :ill 1393 àaving received

the require; constitutional œajority ''is declared passei.

Senate Bill 1396. Senator Somzer. Read the :illy :r. secre-

tarr. Please.

àCTIXG SECZETARIZ (:R. ';R:AXDCG)

senàte Bill 1396.

lsecretary reads titAe of b&lA)

d ding of the bill.3r rea

PRESIDIDG,OTPïCBRZ (S:NATD/ B/DCl)

SeFator Somœer.

SXXATQZ Sodsc7z

TNank yoqe :r. President. Ikls is the 0cE for âdaia.

Services. It#s dogn târee *i2lïon froœ what it vas intro-

duced.

#RSSIDIRG OPFICEEI (SENATOR DKUC:)

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% ,

Question ise, shall 3emate B1Il 1396 pass. Those in favor

Fote âye. Those opposed Fote xay. The Fatiag is opea. SaFe

all. voked vbo gisà?' Have alA voke; vko gisà? Take the

record. on tàat questioa, t:e âyes are 53# t*e xays are

nonee none Voting Present. 3enate Bill 1396 having receiged

tàe required canatitatioaal zalority is declare; pasaed.

Senate Bill 1397. senator DagiGsoa. vead tàe billy :r.

Secrethry. pleaae.

ACTING S BCEETâRYZ (:R. FERXANDES)

Seaate Bill 1397..

(Secrekary reads title of bill)

3rd relGiag of the bill. .

PRESIDI'G OFPICXRZ (SC:âT02 BRBCZ)

Sehator Davidaon.

S;#à'0E DAVIDSOXZ

Erw,,presideat an; members of the Senatev tbis-..anaual

appro/riation ko tàe Departaênt of zginge. and it is'

sixtr-seven million t:ree hundred and eigàty-eïght thousaad

tbree Naadre; dollaxs. àppreciate a' favorable roli cali.

PRE5IDI:G OFFICZR: (SX#âTOR BR7C2)

Dlscussion? T:e qqestioa is. s:all Senate 3i1l 1397

pass. T:ose ix favor vote âye. Those oppose; vote xay. :he

voking is opea. Qave allavoted vho vish? Rave ali Foted gho

gisàz Take tàe record. On tâat question, tàe Ayes are 54e

tàe Nays are le--.nonl Voting Present. Genate 5i11 1397 hav-

iag receive; the require; constitakioaal maJority is declarei

passei. Senate Bill 1398. Senator naitland. Is Senator

iaitland oa tâe 'loor? âll zigàte Senate 5i1l...140Q, Sena-

tor Souaer. Read the bill.. 5r. secretaryy please.

ACTIXG SECQETIRYI (ïR. FERNâXDCS)

Senate Bili 1408:

(Smcretary reads title ol billl

3rG reading of t3e bill.

PRESIDING O'FICZR: (SZNâTOR BRDCZ)

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Senator so*mer. . iI

SZNATOR 5O5:2Rz. i

Thank you. Hr. Presldent. Tkis is the b1ll that contains j

t:e nev capital projects and aeg monies. Ites iovn aboat E

thirty miilion dollars vhic: figure reflects tkat prison '1

Money t*at vas reœoFe; froK it. . j

PRESIDI'G OPFICXR: (SZRâTOR BEUCE) j

d you 1Qqestion ise sNall Genate Bill.--seaator Lemàee dïhaFe a comleat? Senator îelke. '

SEXATOR I2'E;z

I just Wanted to ask the sponsor a guestion.

PRZSIDIXG OPPICCZZ (SE%âTOR BEBCC)

' Indicates he *ill yieli. Senator so/œer... .

SEXàTOR LE:KEZ

Seaator Sollery :ou *uch of this capitai degelop/eat

money goes for tsose.-tkat art t:at ve pui in at a halï of .

one percent. I thiak it is? Ro% œucà is it totai that ge're

spending fot' a11 of k:ese new strqctqres wàere ve Nave to

adG.--art objecta to t:e structureo

P'CSIDIRG OF7ICZQI (32XlTOR 3RVCC)

Seaatar soa*er.

SS:â2O2 5O5:ERz

âpplrentlye the la? ls tkat it's vhat a half of one per-

cenk of tke'. total conztrqction price? :ogeger. tNere *as a

bill iakroduced àere by Senator 'homas. vhicà voqid have aade

t:ak optional but. ik was killed in the co/aitteee and per-

Napse you cou'ld get kàe silA oot' of the comaittee and change

thaty huh?

PRESIDING OFTICED: (SXIâTOE BR:CZ)

Senator Zeake.

SBXATO: tEsxzz '

' jTâinà on +he bizly yoa knoxe ke#re baildlng a aew State

of Illinois Baildiag ln the City of Chicagoe and our

projections gi2I be tNat tàere'll be a 1.7 *illion dollar ark

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object Xuilt'for the State of Illiaois building. 1.7 aillion

Qollars. tâat's a lot o' xoney' ghen vere talking about clos-' &ng t:e nearilg cllnic an4 tàe visqal handicapped clinice .

veêre goihg to go ouk fooliskly and spen; a million seFen for. l

'

sole kind. of a monstrosïty that ge voa't anderstand. ' . ('

PRZSIDIXG O'FICCZ: (SZXATOR B2UC2) jQqestion is---senator Reaver- :

. pS3:â'0R #EAVERZ .

'hank you. :r. Presiieat. I thiak thereês a Rouse 3i11 '

t:at Senator Ie/ke coqld co-sponsor to do away vith tàat half ' i' .. ..... '

of one percent soon as we caa get it out ot Ruies.

PAESIDING OFTICEZI (SERATOE BROCE)

' Gentlemene we lere 4oing pretty weloy it's no* tàree

o'clock. . Senator Grotberg. '

SBKATOR GROT3ERGZ

, kel2. thank zoe. :r. Preslient. 5ut yoq caa't le* oppor-

tqnities iike tâis g0 b; either.

2 2XAQO2 32UC2) 'PXZSIDIXG O'PQC RI. (S

xoe.-eaàd tàer#ll...they'll be...

SE:lr0R GQOTDERGZ

I vis: they'; have spent aaother âalf a Toint across the .

street at t:e Stratton Buiiiing. itês t:e Gullest buïlding in

Illinois. I Nope to Keaven the; spend sozething in tàat one/ ' .hqnGre; anâ ainety xillàoa Gollar ponster dovn ih Lasalle

Street ia chicago to keep it froa becominge over tâe ages: aa

qgly building. ân; I would jqst vis: everybodr goqld thinx

tvice before ther shook froœ the l&p on t:e concept of bqild-

tags that laat fifty to a Nuadred yearsy. of bailding thea '

ràgNt vken rou bqtld tkea the first timey an4 doa't come back '

vorrying about architects gàen business is good. Aïght nov

ve're in a receeaione. it's a very popular œove aaû that I

understand. but be carefql and bewafe of the arts-,

PRZSIDIXG.O'PICXRZ (SZSAZOR BRVCX)'nzther 4iscussion? The gaeatioa is# shail Senate Bill

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IRQQ pass.. Those àn iazor gote àye. Those opposed vote Xay.

Tâe FotiRg iS7 OPPR- R2Ve a11 Toted #b0 WiSà2 X2Ve Z1â VOYPZ

vào gish? Iake the record. 0n that gqeation. the âyel are

q6. t:e xays are 7, 1 Votiag Present. senate Bill 140Q hav-

ing reteived the reguàred constitutional œajority is declared

passed. Sehate BiIA...gm...?ith leage of the Bodl. Senator

Xaitlaad iS no? on t*e floore. mar le returl to 13982 LeaFe ,

is granted.. 1398.. Rea; the bill. Kr. Secretarzy pleaae. '

ACTING S ECRETAEX: (MR. 'ZRSAXDZS)

Senate Bill 1398. .

lsecretarr reads kïtle of bilz)

3rd reading of tâe bill.

PRCSIDING 0P?ICZ2z (SE: T0S BRBCX) '

Senator 'aitland.

5E:â:DR KAITLAXDZ '

Thank roa. Kr..rpreei ent. I apologize foz being of: tàe

floor when khis. bill ?as called. Senate Bill 1398 yesteriay

as amende; added back in two hundred and fortT thousaad

Joliars. The agency...tNe bili as---as sqbmitted *as forty

mlllion nine segeat y-eigkt. T*e agencz bill today is forty

tNousah; three hundred anâ tveaty-one dollars. that's six

haadred and fifty-six thonmn nG six âundred Gollars beiov .sab-

*ission. '

PRESIDING OFFICEZZ (SCNATO: BRBCY)

Is there dàscussiop? The qqestioa is. shall senate Biii:

1398 pass. Those in favor Tote Aye.. Those oppoaed 7ote Xay.

Tâe Foting is open. nav/ azl voted vho visà? Have a1l Poted

gâo visâ? nage aI1 zoted wNo gisb? Take the recorG. 0n It:at qnestione the àyes are 56e the Nays are nonev none:

'

Voting Present.. Senate 8111...1398 Eaving receige; the

required constitational RaJorlty is declared.--paased. senate 'Isïll 14n1.. Senator Reav-c. Rea; t:e biil, zr. Sectetary.

. mlease.,

ICTIXG SZCZZTâRZZ (dS. 'CEDZNDBS)

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Senate Bili 1%û1.

fsecretarz reads tâtle of bïllj3re reading of the bill. .

PQBSIDIXG O'TICZAZ (5ExâT0: B:UCZ)

S#nator geaver.

S:XâTQR ::à#ERz

Tàaak you: :r. President. 1%Q1 raises t:e boa; aqtkori-

zatioa by oae dollar. âppretiate a favorable roll call.

PQXSIDI'G O'FICE:Z (S:NITOR BEBCE)

Is there discasslon? T:e guestion is: shall Seaate Dill

1:01 pass. Those in favor Fote àye. Those opposed vote Nay..

T:e voting is open. ('acàlae cutofflr--ail Foted *âo wisà2

:ave al1 vote; w5o gisà? 'ake the record. Oa tha: gaeskione

t:e âyes are %8y t:e Xaxs are 7. 1 Voking Present. Senate

3il1 14:1 baving reeelged the require; constitutioaal xajor-

ity is GeclareG passed. Seaake 3ill 1402, Senator .so/aer.

Rea; t:e billy. dr. Secrekaryv please.

àCIIXG SZCZET ARIZ (âR. e2RNl:925)

Senate Bill 1402.

(Secretary reads title of billj3rd reading of kâe bill.

PR/SIDING O'PIC:RZ (SE:ATOE BEBCC)

senator Somxer.

3zxâT0a sozxzR:

'âank you. 'r..êresident. 'àis is for the operatioas of

the Cap+4'al Development Board aad it's 4ova eighty-nine tàoq-

sap; iollars fzo/ tàe legel at uhich.-.it Was introduced.

PZSSIDIXG OTPICZZI (S:XATO/ BPUCE)

Qhestion ise shall Xenate Bill...1402 pazs. Tàbse in

favor kote Are. Tàose oppose; Fote Xay. 'Ne voting is open.

BaFe a1l Foted #ho vlsh? HaFe all Foted #âo wlsà? Taxe t:e

record. 0n tâat qaestiony tàe âies are 55. tNe Nays are 1.

none-.-l Voting Present.. Senate Bili 1%02 haging received

t:e required coastïtutlonai œalority isw--declhred paased. i

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. Seaate Bili 1403, seaator Cofkey. Read t*ë bill. :r. Secre-

tazye please.

. ACTING SCCRZTARYI (dR. PCE#àNne5)

Senate Biil 140d. .

(secketary reads title of bill)

3r; readiag of tàa bill. '

t PQESIDING OFYICZRZ (SCXàTOZ 227C:)' t coffez- 'sena or

SExà'n: corezYl

. 'hank yoae dr. President and œembers of tâe Senate.

Senate 3i1l 1403 as alended ProviGes tNree âuhdreë anG fige

tNoqsan; five bundre; Gollars 'or the ozdiaazy aad contia-

qeacy expense of the civii Service Coœlission for t:e fiscal

rear beginliug July 1st. 1982. . Ied be glad to aasuer any

questionsy an; I#d Just ask for a favorable roll call.

PEESIDIXG OYFICCR: (SXNATOZ BE;CZ)

Qs tkere Giscnssion; ïàe qnestion ise shall Genake Bill

1403 pass. Thoae in favor vote Aye. Those opposed vote xay.

'he voting is open. aave a11 voteG M:o %isN? Rage all Foted

y:o wisà? Taàe kàe record. on tàat Gaestione tàe àyes are

53e *:e 'ays are 3. none votiag Preseht. Seaate :ill 1R03.

f

. RNaviqg receiveâ t:e reqqire4 conatltutional majorïty is

declared pasae4. Sexake Bill 1404. Sehator Kent. Read the

bilie dr-,Gecretaryy please.

âCTIXG SZCRETARYZ. (h2. P'RNâXDES)

Senate Bill 1404.

(Gecretarr reais tikie of bill)

3rd reading of 'khe bi21.

PQEEIDIXG DFFICCRZ . (SZR:TOR BRUCE)

Senator Ient. .

S2NzT0: AB:TJ

Thank youy. lr. Plesident anG Kembers of kàe Senate. Tàis !

bilo appropriates k:e 'ands for the '& '8a--.operatioas of

tKe Depart/enu ..excuse me# Coamerce aad Co/lqaitr àffairs.

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The ;0112r QKOQQY is Q âQQ4re4 i%1 Aiâet#-six Qi1iYOL SPFPD ''

Nunire; and sàxty-one thousand nine àundred doiîars. ' .

PRZSIDI'G OZ#ICZRI. (SCNATOR BRUCZ) '. 1

Is there Giscussion' TNe guestion ise sbail Senate Bill .. 1.

1%Q$ pasa. Tbose in favor vote àye. Those oppose; vote xay. .

':e votiag is open. dave a 12 .goted who vish? nave a2l voted

*âo wisE? 'ake the recorG. On tàak gqestione ihe Ayes are

56, tbe uara are none. none voting Present. . senate B&ll 1404 .

àaving received thm rexuired constitqtioaao lajorit; is

i1l 1406 Senator Etheredge. Read4eclared passed. senate B #

the bill. :r. Secretary, pleasb.

ACTIXG SZCRCTASIZ. (':. TZRXA#DES)seaate aill 1406. ' .

lsecretar; reaGs title on bill)

3rG reaGing of tâe kill. , .

PgESIDING OPTICCRI (5CRàT0R BEBCC)

Senator ikheredge.

S:NITOR CTHCREDGCZ '

This ia t:e appropriatioûs bill for the Departaent of

znergy an4 xatnral xesoqrces. Ik ls in tàe amoqnt of forky-

elgkt miillon eighky hqndred aad ninetz-one khousand dollars.

I woul; ask for a favorable roll call. .

?EESIDI'G JPPICZQZ (SZXATOZ BRBCE) .'

Is there discussiolz T:e qqestioa is: shall Senate Biil

1406 pass. Those in favor go'e lye. 'hose oppose; vote Nay. .

2se votiaq ta open- àave aiz voteu vho visha gave azl vote:'

. jvho glsà? Take tàe record. Oa thak questionw the àyes are51:. tâe 'ars are 6. noae Flkïng Present. S#nate Bill 1:06

Naving received the required conatitatàonal màlority is '

declare; Paased., Seaate Bill 1407. seaator Gim/s. Eead the :1' . . jbill

e dr. Secretaryy please. .

ACTIXG SZCRCTAET: (52. ;BQSAXDXS)

senate a&21 1407.

(Gecretary reads title of bill)

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3râ teaGiag of tâe bill.

PEZSIDING Oe.PQC:Rz. (SBNATO: BRUCZ')

Geaator Sim*a.

52XAQOR SIMKSI

'hank yoqe ;r., Presldent. senate Bill 1407 as aâende;

apptopriates three mlilioa--.excuse mee three aillion forty-

five haadred doliars for t:e ordiaary and contingent expenses' of tàe nepart/eat of Fiaancial Institations for the fàscal

' year hegianiag July lsty 1982. I move for &ts passage.

#Q:G2:IxG O'FICCZI (SXNATO: B2;C;) ?

Is there Giscasaionz Tàe qqeskioa àse. shall senate Bili

14:7 pass. Those in fagor fote Aye. Those opposed vote xai.

T:e voting ls open. SaFe a1l voted Mho MisN? Zave a11 voted

#ko visb? Take the record. 0n tàat queationy the àyes are .

56e the xays are noaee none Voting Preseak. senake Biil 1407

baving received the requited constitutional majoràty is

declared passed- , Senate Biil 1:08. Senator saitlanG. Read

t:e billv 'r-.secretazy. please.

ACTIXG SZCRZTAR': (:E. PXRXAXDES)

Genate ail1 1408. .

(Secretary reada title of bill)

3rd reaiing of the bill. .

PRZSIZIXG OFFICZRZ (GENATOR BR;CE) .

Behator xaitiand..

SZXàTOR 'AITIANDZ

T:ank yoqy. :r. President. Senate Bitl 1::8 as aaende;

approprlates one xlllion eigNt hundred an; forky-foar thoy-

sand one hqnire; dollars to t*e Geaeral âssexbiy Retireœelt

Systel. X%at's tvo Nandrêd an; seventeen kàoqsaad dollars

belov introdqction. .

PRXSIDIXG OFTICERZ (SESATOR 3RnCE)

Is: tkere 4iscussion? Tàe qqestion ise shall Senate Bill

1408 pass. Those ia favor vote àye- Thoee opposed Fote May.

T:e votiag is opea. Have all voted gEo uisbz nave alI vote;

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v:o vish: take tke record. oa that gaestlon. t:e Ayes are

57. the gays are none. none voting Present. yenate Bil1 1408

having received tàe reqqireG constitntionai maJority is

declared passed. Senate 3ill 1409. senator Scàaffer. zead

tàe bille dr. secretarxy pleasew,

ACTING SZCRE2A2YI (AR. 'CZYANDES)

Senate Bil1 1409.


3rd reading of tNe bill.

?R25IDI;G O22IcB2z (SCNàTOR ::;CC)' . . t ' '

Senator Scâaffer.

s'xâenE ScaAppERz

'he appzopriations for a total of t:ree million fifty-six

thoqsan; dollarse. t?o hqniled and txent r-one tâoqsan4 five

Nundre; belov .iatro4uctioa.

PR2sI:IxG ofzlcEaz (S::àT0R BR7c;) '

All 'lig:t.. Discussion; TNe questioa is. shall Seaate

Bill 1409 pass. 'bose ia fagor vote àye. Those opposed kote

xay. Tàe votlng is open.. Rave al1 voted vho gis:? gave all

Toted v*o viah? Take tâ* recorG. ta tâat qqestione tNe àyes

a2e 51e tN* xazs axe 2. 1 'oting. Present. Senate Bill 1409

Naving received t:e regqired constitatloaal zajority is

declared' passed. senate B1ll 1411.. Senakor Davidson. .Rea;

t*e bill. :r. Secretarye please. . .

ICTING S:C:2'â2r: (:2. FBRXIXDZS)

Senate Bill 1411.

tsecretary reads title of billl..

3z4 reading of t:e bili.

PRZSIDIXG OFFICEZ: (SCRATOR BRRCE)

senator.Dagi4san.

SZ#ATûR DAFIDSOXI'I :I. Presideat and melbers of t:e Genatee tNis is tbe

annaal appropriatioa for kNe State nistorical Libraryy, one

lillioa six Nundred and sixty-seven tàousand oqe huadrqd

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dollars. Appreciate a faFora:le Foke.

?EESIDING' 0'#IC22z . (SZNATOR 927CE)

Is tàere discassioa: 'àe qqestioa is'. shali seaate aill

1q11 pass. Tàose &n favor Fote àye. Tkose opposed Tote 'ay.

'Ne votiag'is qopel. Mave ali Foted *:o visà? uave all voted

gNo visN? Take tNe recorG.. ûh that questloae tàe àyes are

54y the...55y the xaxs are aoney none Votlng Present. àenatq

ai1l 1R11 Naving received khe reguired constitqtional Kajor-i:y is 4eclared passed. . Senate 5i1l 1:05 ls aow...we uow

kave a copy of 1t. Is there leave to return to that. Seaator

KaNar? EeaG tke bille :r. Secretaryy please.

zcTIxG 5:c:2TâRZz. (8/. FZZ#ANDXS)

Senate si1l 1445.

lsecretarz reads title of bill)

3rd reaGing of tNe bill.

PRZSIDIXG' GETICZRZ (S:Nâ'O: 3RnC1)

Seaakor 'ahar. .

SQWATQR MISAR;

Thank youi 'r. Presidênt and ae*bers of tNe Seaate.

Seaate Bili. 1%Q5 is the t1 '83 ordinary and coakingent

eapenses for; tNe State's zmergeacy Service aad Diaaster

Agencr. ;Ne total alouht after axemGment is kleive million

eight-..eigât huniredxan; tgezve tàoasand tàree âundred. àsk

f or a favvora4ie vote.

PRXSIDIXG 0FFIC2R: (S2xàT0R BRnCZ)Is there dixcassion? T:e guestio? ise shall Selate Bi1l

1:05 pasa. Tàose in faFor voàe âre. eâose oPpoaed Fote ïar.

Tâe Fotïag is opea. Have all voked vho gish? gave a1i vokeG

uEo wishz. 'ake tNe recorG. oa that qaesblony the âyes are. . ' . .

53.. the Nays are nonee, none Voting Preseat- , Senate Biàl 1405

àaving received the reqlired conskikqtional malortty is

declared passed- , senate Bill 1413y. Genator Becker. zea; the

bille 'r. . Secretaryg please.

ACTIXG SZCZZTARTJ (12.. ZE/NAXDES)

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'Senate Bill 14.13.

(Secretary reads tltle of bill)

3rd readinq of tâe bill.

PRESIDING OPFICZRI (SZNNTOZ 51BCf)

Sêaator Becker.

S2:âT02 BEC<:RI

Tàan: ioq. xr. President. senate 3ill 1:13, nepartment

of tabore an4er àleadment 4 reskores a total of three *il-

lioa nine huniFe; and sixtr-tlo thoasaa; four hqndred to t:e

'M :83 badget of tàe Bureaq ol zxployœeat Secqrit; in tàe

follovihg line itelst Group Insuzalce.. tNree àaadred an4

ninetr-one t:ousand foar àundredi.contractual. three zillïoa .

fifty-foqr tkousand seven huldzeG; Frintingy two hnadred an4

eigàt thousand: equàpaente tàree hqaired and eight tàousaà;

kNree àqadled. For a total of tNree liliion line KnnGze; an; '

sixty-tvo thoqsanû four hundred. Genate Bill 1413 as aleaded

provides a hqndreë and 'lfty-one *illion aine Nan dred anG

ainety-nine thoqsaad seven buadred an; one dollars for t:e

ordinary and contingent expeases o' tàe nepartaent of Iabor

for the fiscal year beginning JqA; 1e 1982.. Genezal zeyeaaee

eigàteea willlon t*o hqnired and tkirtr-six thousand; eederal

'qndse a àqndred and tkirty-khree Millioa seve? bqnire; and

sixty-thzee tkoasaad seFen àuadred and one dollarsy or a

kotai of a hunGred anG fift P-one millioa nlne hundreG and

hiaety-qile tkousanâ sevea Nundred aad one doliars. lnd I

aak for a falorable Fote.

PRESIDI'G OT#ICZR: (S;<àT0R BRUC')

Is there discassion? Tàe guestion ise sàall Senate Bill

1413 pass. Tàose ia favor Tote Are. 'àose oppose; Tote xay.

1:* voting is open. nave all voted v*o glsk? nave all Foted .

v:o visha nave all vote: v:o vlsà: 'ake t:e record. on

kàat qœestioae tNe Ayes are 5Qe the xaya aIe 5. 1 Voting

Preaent. Smaate B12l 1412 having tecelved tâe required con- I

atitutional najority is declared pasaeG. Geqate Biil 1%14y '

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Genator Sc:affer. Read the billv :r. secretary. please.

*cTING SZCEZTAAIZ (KE. PCRSANDZS)

Senake Bill 141R.

(Seczetary reads title of bill)

3r; reading of tke bill.

P:ESZDI<G oerlcERz tSZ#àTO: 3a0CE)'

senator scuaffer.

S:<àT0E GCEàTFER:

âppropriates ninetr-seven millioa three hunGred and

fiftr-two khousaad. It's. dova aboqt a million segen.

PRESIDING OFFICZRZ (SCNITOR BRBCE)

':e qqestioa is. shail senate 3il1 1414 pass. Those in

favùr vote àye. Those opposed voke Xay. The Foting is opea.

Have all voted vho vish? Eave alI voteG gNo gisN' Take tNe

tecor4. on tàat qqestiony the Ayes are 55y tàe xays are 1y'none Voting Present. Senate Bill 1414 having received the

reqqtred coastltutional majoriky is declared passeG. Genate

Bili 1415, senator Coffey. Rea; khe bille Krt Secretaryy.

pleàse.

ACTING SZCRGTARIZ (52.,fZ:Nà:b:5)

Eenate Bill 1:15.

(Secretary reads kltle of bi11)

3rd'reading of tàe bill.

PRZSIDING O'PICERI. (SZXATOE BEBCC)

Senator Coffey.

SCNATO: Co##=Y:

Tàank youe dr. President and lexbers nk tàe Seaate.

Seaate 3àll 1415 aa amende; appropriates tgelge zillïoa eigkt

:qadred thousaad and eighty dollars for. t:e ordlaary aad

coakingency expense'for tNe Iilinois LaM ihforceqeût Commis-

sioa for khe iiscal year beginning Juiy lst.. 4982. ând I'd

aSk for a faForabze roll cali.

P:ZSIDING O'FICCRZ (SEHATOR BRUCE)

Is tkere discnssion? ;be question &s: shall Senate B&ll

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1415 pass. TNose in favor vote lye. lhoae oppoaed vote 'ay. l'àe-.-Fating is open. Bave a11 voted g:o gisb? Have all

voted vNo wis:2 Take'the record. on tàat qqestione tNe àyes

are 5%e khe Naya are noaee none Voting Present. Senate 5ill

1415 àavin: receiFed tàe required constitutioaal œajorltr is

declared passed. senate 3il1'1416. Geaator Tboaas. ReaG tNe

bili, Kr.. Secretaryk please.

ACTING SZCRP'IZTZ (;;. FERWIRDXSI

Genate Bill 1R16.' (Gecretary' çeads tltle of bàll) '

3rd reading of *he bill.

PRXSIDI:G Q'FICXRZ ('SCXATOR BRGCZ)

Senakoz 'ko*as. .

SE#ATOR T:D:zS:

Tàaak you, very MqcNy Er. PresiGent an; LaGies and

Genàleaen on khe senate. Senate 3112 1416 as anended appro-

priates four lillion o4e Nundred tàirty-one thousand eigkt

hqndred one Gollars for the otGtnary aad coatingent ex/enses

of tâe Illinois Local Governmeatal tag Enfordelent officers

'ralning soarG for tNe fiscal year beginning Jqly le 1982.. I

ast for a favorahle voteo,

PZ:SIDIXG D'TICZZZ (SENATOX 3R;C3)

Is tâere discusaion? The question isy shall Senate 2iIl '

1416 pass. ïNose ia favor vote àye. 'Nose opposed vote Nay.

2:e voting i, opea. iave a 11 voted wNo via:2 nave alA votedvko vish? Take t:e record. Oa that question. tàe âyea are

56y t*e Aays are aoRee ùoqe Voting Preseat. Senate Bill 1%16

kaging received' kNe requireë constttational xajority is

4eclared passedk. Senate Bill 1%1Te senator schaffer. Read .

ààe bioA: :r. Secretar#y. please.ACTIXG SZCQZTàRYZ (>:. PE.ENâXDES) iI

ISenate Bill.1417.

(Secretarr r*ads title of 1ill) .

3r4 rea4in: of the b&ll. '

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PR:SIDING OFFICCEI (SXSAQQR BXBCZ)

senator ScbaTfer.I

SE:ATGR SCHAZTERZ. I

Departœeat of hental ieaitNe sqbstantialiy dowq beiov as 1

introduction. '

PEEGIDIKG OPFICER: (SZFATOR BRDCEt

Is kNere 4iscussion? Qhe qqestion lse shall Senate Bill

1417 pasa. 'kose in favor vote Aye. Tkose opposeG voke Xay.

T:e voting is opea. Have a11 Foted vâo glsà? Ma%û a11 Toted

vko vish? Take tNe recori. 01 that questione khe âyea are

52# k:e xays are 2. 2 Voting Preseàt. Senate Bill 1%17 âav-

ing received t:e reguïred coastitutïonaz œajority is decoared

passed., senate 3iil 1418. Senator Rapp. Read tEe bill. d( .

Secretaryy please.

. ACTING SECEETIRYZ (52. FEE:ANDES)

Senate 3ill 1418.

lsecretary re:Gs title of bill)

3rG zeading of t:e bill.

PZZSIDING OPPICKR: (5:xàTO: BEECE)

Eeaator zupp.

S2:àQ0R aDPP:

Seaate Bill 1418 appropziakes fourteen million

sixty-seFen t:ousand fifty dollars :or t:e Departmeat if

xinea an4 Kïaerals foI Fiscal #d3 ordinary and contiagent

expenses. I ask an àye vote.J

PREGIDIXG DYFICEXZ (52NàTOR BROCC)

Is tbere discussion? The guestion 1se slall Senate Bill

1418 pass. Those in favor Poke âye. lhose opposed vote Na .

Tâe voting is opeh. Have ail voted v:o visN2 gave all vote4

vho vish? Take tàe 'recor4. 02 kNat questlone tbe âyes are

53v the xays ar+ aoney 1 votlag zresent. Seaate Biil 1q18

àavlag receiFed the reguired constitukional lajority ks

Geclared passed. . Senate Bill 1419, Senator ztberedge. Read

t:e bilie :r. Secretary. plmase.

- :AT 26. 1982

ICTI*G SECRCTARYZ (MR. 'ERNâXDZS)

Seaate 3ï11 1419.

(Secrekary rea4s title of bill)

3râ reading of t*e bill.

2R25IDI:G 0TFIC2Rz (SBNATOR BEDCE)

Senator ztheredge.

%exl:0R X'aXREDGEI

Zese xr., Presidenk 'aad Ladies aad Gentlemen of the

Senate. tkis is the' àpproprlation bïll Tor tàe Department of

ïqeiear Safety. It is ih the awouat of three milzion nlne

ûuadre; fifty-six thoasan; foqr bandre; and 'ifky dollarse

and. Q would ask for a favorable 2oll cali.

PRESIDIXG O'YICERZ (S;<1T0R :R;CX)Is there Giscussion? T:e guestioa is, sNall Senate B111

1419 pass. Those in favor Foàe zze. TNose oppose; votq :ay.

'ke voting is opel. Have all vote; vNo visà? aaFe all voted

wào viaâ? Take t:e recori., On that guestione the Azea are

52, tâe 'ays are none. none Voting Present.. Seaate Bill 1419

haviag receigeG tàe required constitutlonal œaloritz is

Geclared passed. Senate 3i1l 1420, Senator Somaer. Read the

b12le ;r. Secretarye please.

ACTIXG SZcq:TlR'z (K2. ZZEKARDZS)

Senake :ili 1420.

(Secretary reada title of bi1l)

3râ readiag of t:e blll.

P:CSIDING GYTICARZ (SEXàTOR SRUC3)

Senator som*er..

SZXATOE SOS:ERZ

Thank yoqe 5r.. President. This ls tEe appropriatioa for

t:e Depastkent of Personnel. It's doua foqr :undrêë andfifky-three tâoqsand ioilars 'rom t:e introdqction ievei.

PEESIDING O?FIcERz (SCXATOR BEDCE)

Is tàere diacqssïon? Tbe question ise. shall Seaate Bili

1:20 pass. Tàose àn fayor Fote àye. 'hose opposed vote xay.

x 4) .y6

- KàK 26# 1982

TNe votihg is opea. Sake all vote; gho vis:7 Save all voted

v:o visà? Take t*e record. 04 that qaestioh. khe 'r#s are

55e t:e lays are 2. none Vottag Presenk. Genate Bill 1424

Navtng recelved tàe zeculte; coastàtutional œalorltr ia

Geclare; passed. senatm Btlà 1422. Senator Sckéffer. lead

kàe biii. :r. Smcretarim. Pleûse.

âCTISG SCCRETZRYZ (:E. ':RXANDES)

Senate 5ill 1422.

lsecretary reads title of bill)

3rd reaGinq of the b1l1.

PXXSIDING D'PICCiZ (SZXATOR B27C;)

Senakoz sckaffer. .

SXNATOR SCBAFFERZ

Three billàoa tveatm-four Million. down aàout eigàteea

alAlioa Trom introduction. teaner than a jqnkyar; dog.

#kEsIDI%G GfFICCRZ (SE:âTOR BR7CZ)

Ia there dlnnqssiop; Sehator temke.

S2#âTO2 LZ3KZZ

Senatot Schaffery.-vl'd like to aak .you a gaestioa.

ZR:SIDIXG O'PICEEI (SENâTOE ::0C:)

Iadicates he lilA yieldy Senator Lemke.

S:NATQR L21KEz

Vhat ia the Depaztmeat of Public Aid Goiag vitK the

vorkfare progzaa ge yassed lask week--wlaat year?

PRESIDIXG QFTIC:R; (SENATOR BR@cz)

Gena tor schaffer.

S:NATOR 5CaA#fZ2z

Gteat lhings.

P/ZSIDIXG QZTICERZ (SZ:àQOR B:;CZ)

Senator îe/ke.

32NâT0R LZ:KEz:

I understan; tàat t:ey âave aoae problems tzying to

à'mpleaent ltv'..-and 1...1 sep a proble. wkere-.aùow .vouid.you

Nave people tlat encourage people to be on velfare try to

- ;âT 2:y 1982

encour-kge tNea to get ofll I thiak the deparkment should

give up thia function to .tke De partxent of Labor so we can

start lookiag for jobs. I thiak they have dole nothing with

it except iiscourage it. Iaoerstand Aàey àave hearlngs on

*hr vorkfare 1111 aot work in Illiaois # even thoqgh it is

îorkiag in Iadtana. I xean. tàis is vhak khey4re going

around doing. 2'M gotng to Vote Presenk on this bili an; I

4rge everybddy elae to uatil they get the vorkfare program

atralghtened out. We got ko straigHten this tàing oqty

becaqse people tNat are on gelfare tàat deserve to be' on

ld. ek tbeiz money. but tkese other peopley *:e majori*yahou g

khat cNeat on velfare: sNoqld gek 5ff on &r. lnd tàey

ahoali, ..get out anG pqt a job to vork an; theylre not doing

anythi .g with 1t. and Iêx 'going to 'ote Present an; I.-.qrge

everybt') 41: else to Go tite aame.

PRXSID-NG OF/ICERZ (GZ#ITOR 5RëC3)

Farther discusaion? Genator Schaffer.

S'NATOE SCHAFTE::

I tàia k. Genator Leake, tàat tàe vorxfare Progzaa is

gorking very velle elcepà perhapswin sole of t*e large urban

settinqs whicN regrettabiy is ghere xe :ave the largest

auxber of clieata, bat I tàia: . the 4epartwent :as lade a

sipcère etfort. àn4 I t:iqk tNose of qs tàat are oa tàe Joiat

Comœlttee on Pablïc âid and have Near; teatimonimse certainlx

àave coae away viih the impresaion that the departaent is ia.L

pitcâing oa tàls. Thanks to tNe courts. tbere are obstacles

tossed in tNeir gay. but the; have. I tNlnky rakàer doggedAr

pqrsued tàe concept that this General àsseobi; enactedy and I

tNiL'k t:at tbey are making a goo; faitN effork to acâieFe tàe

goals tàat ve outlined for the. an; thlnk the bizi aàould

passy tàat probleœ notvithstanding.

P/ZSJ ;:G OTTICEQZ (SBXAQOR BEGCE)

Question isy shall Senatp Bï1l 1422 pass. Those ia favor

Tote àye. Those opposed vote Hay. The votiag ia open. %ave

xzT 26, 1982

' a 11 voted v:o visN: nave aIl votedall vote4 vko wish? ave a

?Ko Wish? Take t:e rerord. OA that qqestion. the âyes are

35v the Nays are 14e 9 Voting Present. Seaate Bili 1:22 hag-

ing receàve4 t:e requited coastitutional majority is declared

passed. seaate :ill 1:25. Genator Bloo*. Rea; the biil: :r.

secretary. please.

âCTIKG GECRZTAZ'Z (8R. 'ER#âNDEZ)

Senate 5ill 1:25.

(Secretary reads title of b111)

3rd readiag of tàe blll.

PaZSIDING OZ/ICEEZ (S;XàTO: BROCE)

Senator Bloom.

S:xAT0R.5t00dz

I'@e Just cansulted vit: lea4erskip oa the otNer side of

t:e aisle aa gell as lea4ersàip here. I'd ask that tkia bill

be Neld until the ànfornation tàat vas requested at tâe

coamittee hearing be 'qrùisàe; to t*e satisfaction of tNe

ïinorïty spokesuan and the chairman of appropriation. kill

;oq take it out of'th+ recorde please?, j aaucg)PFESIDIXG O'/ICZAZ ( EXàTO:

Take it...às thexe leave to take it oqt of tNe recori?

Leage is graated. Tàke it oqt of the record. 1426. Seaatoo

navidson. Reaë the bille 'ru secretarye please.

ICTING SZCR'TAZIZ (dX.. FERNANDEG)

senate gili 1826..


Jrd' readïag of tâe :111.

PAZSIDING O?FIc;Rz (àz:àT0: :RJCZ)

s ' qatov navi4son.e

szlzToa nzvlDsoxz

:r. Preaident and aembera of t:e Senatey tNe annual

appropriation of one mizlion nine hundred and aiqety-foœr

thoqsand niae àqndre; dollary for the annqal kudget of tNe

State EmplAyees Retirement Syate.. àppreciate a favorable

I

- :1I 26. 1982

Tote. '

PaESIDING OF#ICEZZ (SZNATQR 3RUCE) . ' JQqeitioa 1av aàail Senate Bill 1%26 pass. Those in favor

M&1I vo.te Aye. TKose opposed. v/te BaY. T:e voking is open.

EaFe all Foted vho 'vïsà; Have a11 loted w%o #iaà? rake tNe

record., nn tuat'qqeatioa, tàe àyes are 57. tNe :axa are

aoney none Yoting Presentv Senate Bill 1426 haFiag received

tNe required constitutional majoriky is declared passed.

Senate B11l 1427. Senator Kent. Aea; tNe billy :r. Secre-

tarye please.

àCTIXG SCCQZTKRIZ (:R. 'EENAXDSS) .

ill 1R27 ' ' '--'-''Seaate : .


3r4 rea4àng of tbe bill. '

I'M JIDIXG O'I'ICFAR: (SC:ATOZ BR7CE) '

Sena tor Kemt.

S:NàTOR R::'z .

:r. Preaiient and Members of tàe Seaatey tNe budget for

this is tvenky-tNtee aillion five ànadred aad tMelve tàousand -

eight Nunâzed Gollars. àsk for a favorable roll call.

' PaZSIDING OFPICERI (SEWàTOR 9aUCEI',

.1Is tâere dïqcaszion? The guestion is. shall seaate Bili

1427 pass. Tàose in favor vote zye. Tàose oppose; vote 'ay.

The votiag is opea. Eave al1 voted vào gisà? Have all voted

vho vish: Take the record. on khat questione tbe à#es are

56. t:e Nays are aoue, none 'oting Present. seaate Bill

1%27k..Sen'ake Bill 3427. tNe lyes are 56. tNe iays are noaev

aone Fotiag Presente. an4 the bilA kavtag receive; t:e'

rpqaired constitational lalorit; is declared passed. Genate

3111 1445. Senator Soazer. aead tâe blloe nt. Secretarye

please.

àCTIXG SZCQXTARTI l:a. eERXANDCS)

.senate 3i11 1qq5. -


J - dAT 26.. 1982

3rG reading of t*e bill.

PRXGIDING OFFICERZ (SE#ATOR BRQCZ)

Senator Soœmez.

S:XàQOQ SO;;ZEz

Thaax youw :r. PresiGent. 'Nese a2e thê olQ projpcts

that are in. vartoqs stages ot completloa. It's down forty-

eight aillion dollazs from the l:vel at which it gas intro-

duce4.

PZEGIDING O'PICCR: (SINATOR BXUCE)Is there discussion; Is tx:re discussion? The questïon

is, shall Senate aill 1445 pasa. Those in fapor votq àye.

Tkose oppoge; lote Hay. Th# vqting ia open. dave a1l voted

@ho vlsâ? Save a11 Faked who 'wïaà? Take tàe record. On

that qaestioae tNe âyes ar* 53g the xays are %y 1 Voting

?resent. , Senate Bill 1445 kavtng recêived the peguire; con-

stitutioaai. majority is declpred passe4. Senate Bill 1q%9e

Seaator 3loom. Aead t:e bilie :r. Secretaryy please.

àCTING SBCR ZTADZZ' ('R.,FE2:à:DE3)

Seaate BiQ1 1:49.

l3ecretary readz title of bill)

3r4 reading of the b'111.

PZEGIDI#G Q'PICERJ (JANATOZ B2gt:)

senator Qloo/.

SZXANOR BLOO'I

Thank yoqw.dr. zresiieht. 1449 addresses a minor problëm

vith the iaterface of the àdainistratiye Proceoqre àct anG

gkat veeve yrittea into the Envirnnaental Protectlon Act by

gay of hearings. Basically it sayay to satis'y tâe ecoaomic

i*pact hearingse ;o? ëoa't have to go throug: tNe procesa t*o

tlmes. TNm aecoa4-..tbe A*A àearings, if Ahey complr 'vikà

bringiag out the information oa-w-on ecoaomic impact goul;

sqffice. 1*11 try and ansver any qqestions. othervise 2'd

aak-for your sapport.

ZRESIDING OFFICERZ (SEXATOE BEBCZ)

- dàY 26e 1982

Is there discussiono Is there discussïon? Senator

sc*qnelan.

SZKATOR SCHONZIANZ

Qqeltion of tNe sponsor.

PRZSIDING O'PICZZZ (SZ#ATOR 3E7CX)

Indtcates he will yieid. Seaator Schune*an.

SC:ATOR 5CH7:2hANz

Senatore I'* particqlarly inkerested in this because of

the posaiàle iapact apoa. aoae of :àe Aazardoas waste sites ln

ay district. ând particqiarlyv tke aathority granted tNe

Pollution Control Board 'to cite Nazardous' waste locatioas;

wi1l tbis in any vay càange khe...tbe lav' khat gas passed

last year. for example, Senate Bill 172 or any other existing

Statute at aliy or...does this only àave to do gith ruie!

laklng?

PRZSIDIXG O'EICZQZ (SZ:ATOE 320CZ)

Senator 3looz.

SXXATOE BLOOSI

ïhis is a qreat miczophone. it kinio..noe itAs..-it

addresses...gses târough the rule aaàing process ïtself. It

Goes not address those other Nearings. àn; ghea I refer to

ecoaowic ilpact. we finally passedy I believe Senator

Donaegaid gas th* sponsor back in *15. an a*endment to t:e

'ngironuental #rotection Act that said vàen you start tâese

raie œakiaga and get khese light bulbs go of: over yoqr head

in t:e agency: you go oat and have keaziaga and determlae the

econoœic impact of your regnlatory scàe/es. ând so. tàis

i ' f isions. Tâis is aaeasures the àPà vit tsose sort o prov

great œicrophoney it...

TRESIDING OFPZCER:. (SCXITOR 59;CZ)

senator Lelke.

SZNATOR LZMKEZ

Senator Blooœe I Nave a qaestion.

?RCSIDIXG OTTICZRI (SCIATOR BRGCZ)

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- :â' 26. 1982

Indicates hè gill yielde Senator teak/.

52eà10E izdiCz

nav, does this a'Tect our b&ll tàat ve paased for small

basinessmen as far as having representation. noes tàis change

a2y of tàose rules?

PREGIDING O'PICER: (SZ#ATOA BR0C2)

Senator Blooa.

Sz#zro: 3ZOO;r

#oe Sir.

SZNAIOR LEdKC:

Thanà You.S'XâTQR BL0O:z

:oy 5iI@ it's tracked to 403. as a Ratker of fact. 'his

aicrophone is kinG of like Senator 3ogers.

PZBSIDIXG O'?ICE22 (SXNITOR 5:0CC)

Turther---senator Lemke. furéher Gisc œssion? Seaator

Delazio.

SE<ATOR DEdë2I0r

9ell. tàank roa, Kr. Presàdent. I#d ask t:e sponsoz to

yield for a qaestiony if he---i; âe Woqld.

ZRESIDI#G ûfelczRz (S:NATOR B2UC2)

Indicatea Ne will yield, Senator Bloop. Sena-

tor-..senator ge/qzio.

SZXATOE DEIGZIOZ

. . .senator. I vas detaiaed kere and aot Iistening. can

yoq briefly reiteratq again the rationale bekind the eliai-

aation or.--or the.--going to the duplicative àearingsz

There *as so Iqch going on over herey I didn't hear you.

%oql; yoq Ieikerate youz explanation agaiqy. please.

PEESIDING O'#ICEE: (SEXâTOZ 32UC;)

Senator zlooa.

5ENàTOR BLOONz

kelle. Senator. this gas one of t*e recommendations coling

oqt of tàe Joint Coauittee oa Adainisàratlve aeviels annual

Fage 156 - :àI 26, 1982

report aa4 you sit on the committee. ânG basicailye we foua;

that t:is would cut down on gNat ve percei/e; as vheel spil-

ning. Ia other voros, going t:roqgb the same bearing prpcess

tvice.

PRZSIDI'G O'TICCZI (SCXAIOR BROCZ)

Sehator nemazio.

SSNATO: DiMnzloz

5oy under the.e-tàe propose; legislation. :0th the hear-

inq for t*e Pollution Cohtrol Board and lâe---to satlsf; the

PC9 and ZPà voald be hel; simqltaneous. Is that correct?

PRZSIDIXG OEPICZZI. (S;:ATOE ZEUCZ)

Seaator 3loom.

5;NâT02 Bt0G'I

Rhere it's applicable and if..-you*ll notice t:e liae

which sayse *So long as botN provisions are 'ally complie;

vitN-* Me don't vaht ko give anyone an opportanity to make

an ead raa.

PRZXIDING OFFICZEZ (SENATOZ BEUCX)

.u.' Senator Demqzio.

SZRAIOR 'DZH7ZIOZ

Is there anytNing in t:e Statqte nog khat prohibits 't:e

lœarings to be hel; concurrently?

j#:2 IDI#G LSMI<CBDZ (SE.#àTO: B2()Cd)Senator Blchom.

SZRATOR BL0O:I

%àr I don't thiak tkere*s anr laagqage that saysy thou

. sxalt aot' àood colculxent heariaga. This ïust sets it oût,

. 'caqse ghen ke.-.ve#re reviexiag the procesae ve sai; tNak it

appi:rs that tNis woui; involve goiag aroqnd tàe track a

: , u aazag txzs i:couple of tiwes. Believe *ee I vouldn t be ah

I tàougkt that it vould-.-it xoald provide an agency a chance

to aake an en; run.

PEZSIDIXG 0#f2C2R: (SENATOR BRUCE)

senator Deœuzio.

I

- ,àY 26. 1982

:' 5211209 DSSDZIO:

gelle I'* jqst...I#2-..I'* trying. to--.to recall what thei

rakionale was of tàe juint cozlittee ia recommendiag the

legialatione and franklyy eitber I was absent or 1...1

siKply.-ajust simply do aot remeRbel the rationale beàind vàg '

ve voul; do tbis. Can you. kell me in vhat procedures and in

khat hearings that this pertains to2 Mhat is...?hat...

PR;SIDIKG O'PICERZ (SE#ATOR 3RBCZ)

:. Senator Booom.

SXAATOR BtooKz .

Okazy yoq look at the bill: rou refer to Section 27y

ve.re amendiag t:e vaz t:e boara aaopts. 1ts substantlve .regu-

lations-w-iks regulatlons. .

' PRE;IDIKG O'TICZZI (SC'â1OR BRGCE)

âll rigkt. . .. .

51NàTOE BLOONZ

gegre amenGiag the %ay the board aGopts its...

PRXSIDING OfPICERI (SCNàTOR B20CE)

nol; ony S/nator Bloom. I woader if ve could Nage aoze

' or4er. . If ge can kake our conferences off the Floor. Eena-

tor 91oo*. '

SZRATOR BLOOK:

TNank yoû. okay. Jou look at ït. Section 27 of tàe SnFi-

roamenkai Protectioa àct sets oqt hog the Pollutioh Control

Board adopts aqbstaative regulationsy palsuant ko t*e direc-

tions in khe okhêr sections in t:e Act. I forget. teay. tàir-

teene txenty-tvoe twenty-seven. solethi'ng like that. Then it

says. except as provide; belov before tNe adoption of any

oaee tàer go tàroqgà tâelr ovn notice and. procedure kàlng. :

Moq. tàis vas set qp prior to t:e creatlon ,of tke Joint

cammittee. Xove tâere#s..-you go aroan; tâe track tvice

right nok. :ov this language then says. OA Neariag uader

this subseitionw or beforp it. may also be used to satisfythe reguirements of this section on ne? rule makinge so long

- dzl' 26.. 1982

asy/-e.aa; tNat's the key--.tNat's the key thinge >so long as

tNe provisioas are fully coœplied v&tN.*

PZZSIDING OF2IcEEz (S:HATOE B2Gc2)

senator Demazio.

SZNATOR DZBOZIOZ

Aiso, I:* told khen that pursuan: to sectioa...1027, 5qb

Cv that in case of an emergqhcies khat the Governor couid

prociaim--.and *ay order proposed regulatlons to take effect

prior to t:e àearings v:ile such hearings are being''held.

AnG does that--.ois. tNat soletNing neg that-..is being added

to...

PRESIDIHG OFFICERI (SCXATOR BRGCZ)

Senator Bloom.

S:XJTOZ 2LODdz

âye. 'Ne gata of tNe bili are on page 4 and on page 2.

xogy you look back on page 4 an4 tàey talk aboqt tâe proce-

Gqres anG :earinga reqqlred by Sabsection A. of Section 501.

of the Act. Then again they sâyy >5o long as botN provisions

are fuliy complied with.w' If..--if staff feels that it is

flawed. I doa' 't gant to take qp tàe time: of tkis BoGy. 1#11

that it oqt of the record aaG bring it back and correct it.

#ZESInI#G OF#ICdRZ (SCNATO/ 3RpC2)

Senator nemuzio. ànd yoqr tiae. Seaatore has. just about

eapireG. Seaator De*uzio.

SZNâTOA D22;zI0z

Coqld you âold. it jqst for.-a fev miautes? daybe ve can

iron soue khings out and come back to it i; the PresiGeat...

PZCSIDING OTFICZRZ (SRSATOR 5X7C;)

Is tàere leaFe to take lt out of tàe rerord? gith leaFey

le can briag it baek ïn jasâ a few Minqtes aad zarbe saFe

some tiye.. Ie there leave? teave is granted. Seaate

B411... 1479e Senator Carroll. :ead t:e bille Mr. Secretarye

Please..

ACTING SECRETAATI (5R. EEENANDCS)

- :àr 26e 1982

Senate B1l2 1479.

(secretary reads title of bill)

az4.reaGing oi the blll.

PZZSIDING OEEICER: tSE#âr0/ BRUCB)

Senator carroll.

SZXATO: czaioLtz-

Thank youv :r. Presiient aad Ladies and Geatle*en of *àe

Genate. This' is the bili that :as been so uidely acclaimed

by various news meuia tNroughout t:e state to uneuackle our

coaptroller and allog hi* to question qqestioaœble garrants.

sezator 'ottea raise; a legitimate qqestion v:en thia bill

c/më 'before us once beforey but ue:ve Gone a poll aad we

thlnk we:re relativeiy safe, so that .we' voqld like to pro-

ceed Fikh t:e leglszation. Tâe leglslatâoa adia like the

counterpart states of california. :ev 'orke Peqnsylvania.

gl-mmonsiav 'assachusetis. dicâigany Florida. Conlecticat and

ot:ers uoqld allov tâe Comptroller toy.ia facte càeck. before

payaenta vere aade on a qaeslionable èxpendlture. Tbere are

sigaiflcant safeguards to garkous depart*eats and ageacies

kherein tNey can still reqqire the payment apoq affïdavit and

I voil; qrge a favorable roll call.

PRdSIDI#G 0#TIC27J (S;XATO: 9E7c:)

Is there ëiscassion? Genator Deàagelis.

szxzroz DezxèzLlsz

ThanA zoue 5r. Treaident an4. xembers of the Senate. T:is

bill is no better tkan it was whea it vas ta'ken oqt of t1e

record seFeral leeks ago., I migàt caation everione that tNis

is tNe Comptrolieres State Gran; Jury bill. It allows the?

tN* privileg:' of holiing up any garranty tiey choose to. for.

'vhatever purpose àe vants koe for ghatevez period of time he

wouid like toe an; tben hol; a pablic hearing on. kNe kolding

qp of tâe larrant. I realll thinx that that's a keavy

reafonsibiiity. don't kàïn: tâat kâe Coastitution êFeriatenied for tàe Cowptroller, regardless of who..-w:oever it

- 'zY 26y 1982

!

. Jalgh: bee to :ave tNese kin; of authozities and powers. I '!

voul4 urge a No vote on thàs bili. '

PRESIDIXG QT?ICEZZ (52:âTOR Bâ0C2) !. 1'qrther Gicqssionz Senator Totten.

SZNATOR 'OTTE4Z '

Tkank yoa.. :r. President and Iadies and Gentlemea of tNe

Senate. . 1 goql; like to submit aa Exhibit A to this 3ody the

latest poll that shows t:e incq*bent au tventyctwo and t:e

challenger' at tventy-six, undeeided' ara t:e rest. It would '

pzobably be oar best cNoice to give theae pouers to andecided >

rather thaq to either of tNe otàer tlo, and tbis bill should

kave t:e saae action frow the sponsor as it 114 t#o geeks

aqo. Thia is a 4angeroas precedenk espec'àlly vhen unGecide;

ia ahead.

ZRZSIDIXG OP/ICERZ (SCNàTOR BRBc2)

Senator Geo-Karïs.

S:xzroz G:O-Kâ:I3:

. dr. Presidenk and Laiies and Geaklemen of the senatee I

tNink the intent of tNe bill is goody but if ve're going to

give the Comptroller--.inFestiqator; powers. which is sixilar

' to'a gran4 jury type oi povere. veere goiag to have to give it

to every otàer departaeat. tàea ve#1l aever finish payiag

bills &:e state vlli be coupletety in. the red. I don't

think t:at this is t:e bili tàat shoul; go forward. becaase

yoq cannot gile it to jqst oae ageacy and not gige ik to.) .

anotàer: and tNereforey I speak against'tàe bill.

PRZSIDING 0FPIC:2z (SZKATOR BR7CE)

Senator Scâai:er.

szxàtn: scaAerBcz ' '

'dr. Presideatw 'cHenry County has aever had a goFeFnor.

This bill vill put a resiient of Qy county ia the Governor:s

saasion. . I intend to support it.

ZaZSIDING OFTICZXJ (SENATOR B2BCE)

Purther discussion? Senator Keats.

- 5Ar 26e 1982

5d:àTOR XZATSZ

Coul4...a...a questlon of t:e sponsor. Questioh of the

SP0hS0r.

PRCSIDING D'#ICZZ: (SESATOR BR7Cd)

Indtcates àe v11l yield. Senator Keàts.

S'XATOZ Kzàlsz

Seaator Carrolle @as tàis b1lA brought to yoa by

our...our young 'rtenGs in the press? Thià bill vill keep

mùèe cub reporters exployei tkan anytking else I can possiblr

tàihk of. Do yoq àave an! compreàeasion of jqst gbat tNis is

gqing to be like? ïou:re goipg to Nave cœb reporters in

every noo: and cranny of thls State--.covering gooTy stolies

aboat tkinga that probably never should have been dlacusped.

ghile I appreciate your-o.youc iatro4ucing t:e biil to heip a

frïemde I tàink rouere going to kill yoqr frien; aa; a lot of

otNer people tooy an4 I vould think tNe besk' iGea vou14 be to

save tbe Legislatqre tNe problem of killing this bill an4 do

as you Gid. earlier and perhaps set is asiie. 'àank you.

Z/CSIDIKG OPPICZR:. (5:S;T02 3R;C2)

'urtâer discusalon. Senator Carroll *a; close.

SdxAï02 CàzRgtîz

gelle, first. I thougNt tAe rûles vere that the other :ide

voqid have oae Geslghate; hikter, bqt I gqess tâey've 4ecided

ko go with a larger nuiber. As to senàtor xeatse lf 2ull

eaplormeat is a good idea itfs a good idea for reportqrs Eooe

evea thoqg: tàe idea di4 not generate frox that area. I

t:ink it is qœite cleary hovevery you know. t:e Goveruor :as

qse; other methods of not payipg biloa vhen Ne didu't feél he

had the cash arotznd? Thtia isn' t neces' sary to io thaty. nor

#ïll it accomplls: t:at Tarposey. nor sbould ite nor is-..is

it inten4ed to. gàat it ia intended to do. however. is to

say to t:e person *ho has tàe coastitutional. responsibiiity

to be tke Comptroller of tàiy State to hale soue aatàoritr to

càeck tàia gs tbak come acrosa his deske rather than àave

I

- :AI 26. 1982

potential scandals take place wâerein. even oh its facee it

#as gaite appareat kNak it was ah inproper payaente. but we:ve

i :e Co*ptrolier t:e autkprity to do vhataever g vea kI

Comtrollers uoul; Go ia private industry ol anywhere else and

that is to àook beyon; tâe foar corners of a iocûkent vhen

tNere is aoœething on t:e 4ocument itself khat sà'ovs there

ligkt, ia facte be a problem. I tNink it voui; be silly for

anyone to vant to denx tàat aatkority to t:e Co/ptroller of

this state tegardless of party: regardless of occupante otNer

tàaa posslbly Seaator Totten'a coacezae and I wouod azà Tor a

PZESQDING O'FICCRZ (SE<ATOR BZBCE) .'

Questioh ise skail Senate Bili 1%79 pasa. Tâoae. ia faFor

Fote àye. 'hose opposed vote Nay. TEe Fotlng is open. HaFe

all voted MNo xish? :ave a 11 voted *ào gisN? Have all Foted

v:o *ish2 'ake the record. On tàat questione t:e Ayes are

3Qy . t:e Says are 28. noae Voting Pzesent. Senate 3il1 1479

àaving received tke reguired constitqtioaal majority..-l see

three senators *ho haFe reguests-.-senate Bill 1%79, the roli

call is 30 âyese 28 xazs an; tàe bili ia declared paased.

Senator neAagelis reqqesta a verification ot tàose who vote;

in the affirmative. :ill tàe Kenbers. plèase be ia their

aeats. . Will the seczetary please call tkope *:o Toted in t:e

affirmative. %ill the meabers please. be in their seats aad

anaver when your nale is calied.

AETING GCCRZTAEYI' (d2. 'ZEAASDES) .

'àe folloving Tote; in tàe afftraativez' Ber*ang'Brqcee

Buzbeey Carroii. Chev. Collias. D'àrco. Dawsone Degnaa:

Demuziow nonneval4z :gany Gitxe Hally Johna, Jereâiab Joycew

Jelawe Joyce: Leake.. darovitz. 'cLenGon. Saahe xe4za. Negae

Xetscàe Ne%àonzee Sangleistere Savickasy Schaffere Taylore

Fadaàabene.

PRSSIDIXG OZ#ICSZJ (SSNAQDE BR7cz) .

Senator DeAngelis. do your guestloa the preseace of an;

I

- :AX 26e 1982

welber? Senator Buzbee on t:e Floor? Seaator Buzbee is in ' !

:is seat. Senator nawaon.. Seuator Davson is in his seat. '

Sena'tor Jereaiah Joyce is. standing ia froat of Senator l

Carroll's seat. .. Senakor 'ash. Is Senator xaa: oh the fioor?

Seaakor xas: is in my seati Is sênator Degnaa on t:e Floor'

:elle senator Carroll. Seaator Carroll. gelly Genator it

MoalGa't...ve aorœatly...ho. we...we do not allol.--seaator

Carrolie. ve do hot allo? a Terification o' aegaiives WNen it

àas no impact upoa t:e oqtcoaey an4 so. no.-.no. T:e-..tàe

Chair.e.the Chair will :ave to rqle that joar reqûest is oatof orGer and I've slalled about as loag aa I can. Oa a Feri-

fied ro12 ca 21 tâere are 29 zyese aad 28 xoese ahd tue...and '

tâe sponsor asks tNat 'urtNer consideratton of Senate :ill $

1479 be postpone4...tt v&ll be place; on the Order of Post-

poned Coasideration. Geaate :111 1490. Senqtor Davidson.

HoiGr, Senate Bill 1501, Senator Nedza. Read t:e biile :r.

'secretarye please.

:ND W R'ZL r

- :AY 26e 1982

Reel xo. 6

ACTING SECZCTàAYI (:2. FEZKINDES)

Senate Bi22 1501.

(Smcretary reads title of bill)

3rd reading of the bill.

PRZSIDI'G 0ffICE2: (S:XANOR BROCE)

Senator' xedza. Kay ve-.-senator Xedza. excuse me just a

moment. day we have soae ordery Pleaae.. ke can take soRe o;

i:e conferences off t:e Floor an4 clear the alsle. senakor '

xe4za is recognize4.

S2x&'02 NEDZA:

Tkahk yoû, ;c. presïdent aud Ladies aad Gentlemen of tàe

Senate. Senate B11l 1501 vill provide that k:e Ckicago Park

District Kaz issue bpnds to an amount vhicN xNen added to tNe

outataùdimg bonde; indebtedness *ill not exceed 1.15 percent

of the assesaed valuation of the district's taxable property.

It also cNanges tNe maxiœux iaterest rake on t:e Gistrict

bonGs so as to copform witâ *he General Interest Rate àct.

'àeme vere tvo amen4aents to tâe bill. :Ne one aaendment

vould--vto t:e bill. vas to câange +he oqe and ono-qœarter

percent to k:e 1.15 percent. wàich I Just. Keationedy làich

reflected. a tàirtr xillioa dollar to a deczeased amount ot

eïg#teen million dollars. That txelve Million-dollar differ-

ential ?as becaqse o; tàe accrual of tgeive. œiilion doilars

on previoqs bond issues vhic: vas applied to kàis biil. 1Ne

othir az#nd/ent tNat vas, pqt iato the bill *as sole wordage

aaG t:e wordage beiage *eor tNe presergation-..or tàe

kabilitatioh anâ renovation of existing district facilities

or :or similar purposea-/ Bot: of those gere put ia based on

some legai opinions tuat caue in as to kàe use of tàe moaeye

and the language being to ofTset somel oblectiona to khe bill.' Iï tàere are ao gaestionsy I voald xove :or a favorable roll

- qàI 26. 1982

l

call. ' (

PZESIDING OPFICZRZ' (SC:AIOR BRVCE) !. Is t:ere Giscusalon? Senator Grotberg.

GZNATOR GEOTBERG:

Thalk youy ;r. PresiGehk. Senator Nedzae are tNe mqseums

' in--.in this?

PRESIDISG OTTICCZ: (SCXATQR 39EC2) .

. Sehator Netlza.

S:xàTo: BRUC:Z '

No. Gir. Senator Grotberg. 1502 is t:e zuseum. This

bill has. nothingw--wit: t:e œuseaze this is Jq/t the straight

i ' ' 'bon; ng.

PRZSIDIXG OIAAICCEZ' (SdNATQR BEIICX) '

Senator crotberg. .

. S:NATOR GaOTBERGZ

Tâank you.. Tàat dovs aake a dlffereace. Thank zou. very '

mucâ.

PQESIDQ#G O'FICERI (SZNâTOR 3/;Cd)

Is tàere discussion? Is tàere discussion? The qqestion

iay shall Sena.ke Biol 1501 pass.. 'àose in faFor Fote àye.

Tàose opposed vote Nay. T:e voiing is open. Have a1l voted

?No gish? Have ail voted wào wishz nave all voted uho wisiz

rake t:e record. Oa that questïozg. tàe zyes are 30e the Xays ,

are 27e none Votiag Presentu senate Bill 1501. hafing

eived the reqqire4 coastitqkioaal majority is declared'rec

passed. Senator zeagezy for vwNat parpose do yoq arise? àAl

right. Selator @eaver Nas requesked a gerificatlon of t:e

roli call on Seaate Bill 1501. â1Q' rigbt. Kr. secretarye

woul; yoq call those wâo voted in tNe affirmative. 9ill tbe

members please be in their seats anG ansger vben their naze

is called.

âCTI'G Sdc2,TâRYI, (SE.,/ERNANDES) .

T:e foilowing voked in the affirmative: Berman, Brace,

Buzbeee carroil. Chewg Collinse D'Arcoy navaone Degnany

Pagm 166 - :lI 26: 1982

. . ' . jneauzso. noaaevazd. zqaa. Gstz, aazl. co. sas. cereazas coyce.

Jerome Joyce. Lemkei :arovitz. 'ciea4oa. xashe Nedza. xega,

'etsch. Nekhouaey Salgaeistery Sazickas. Taylor. Vadalabenee

. Kr-.presidelt. '

#RESIDI'G O'PICZR: (S2:à'O2 BXBCE)

' Seaator Weagery do y5q qoestlon *he Presence of a2;

KpRber? ' '

SEMhTOR @2â#S:I

Senakor D'àrco. '

. PRXSIDISG OPFICZRZ (S::à1OE.:R7C2)

senator n'ârco ts in the gell.

S:#l1O2 @ZâV:2zt . .

seaator Newhoqse. .

PEESIDING OPPICERZ (SCXATOR BRUCC)

. Is Senqtor Nevkouse oa tâe floor? Senator Newhoœse.

okav. strike his naae. o:. seaator xegàoaae,is rigzt--.rlgàt

at tàe-.-reqr of kàe Chambers-, Seoator g#aver.

SZ:âTOR @2zV:Rz '

Senator Carroll oa t:e Floor?

PZESIDIXG OPFICZRI (SZXATOR BRVCZ)'' Senakor Carroll is in the pûoae bootkv or 1as in tâe

pNone b00th. Al1 right-.. Senator MeaFer.

SZXAIOR :CAVERI '

, Bqzbee.-.o: yeahy-.-àe's tàere-

# 'PRZSIDING OP ICZRZ (SENATOE BZGCE)

Bazbee...ieaator'Bue - ---atanding bT hia c:air. coioael

S2NàTOa ::A7:E:

.. Coloael Johns herez ' .

PRCSIDING O?#IC22z (SZNàIQ: 3ROCX) '

Senator Johas on thm Floor? Here Ne is.

SENATOR REAVZRZ .

gelre keepiag'tàem hotfoote; alyway.

PAESIDIXG OFFICZRI (SENâTO: BRRCE)

- dàY 26y 1932

Algàtw , On' a verified roll calle there are 30 àyes. 27

:ayse aad seaate Bill 1501 having receiFe; the reqqired con-

stitutional Majorlky is dêclared paasei. ror wNat purpose

4oes Senator Vadalasene arise?

SXXATOR YàDILIBENEZ

First of all. 'r. Presidenty Ie'd like to àage some order.

PRESIDING OPTQCEQZ (SZNATOR BR;C:)

All rightk dùy ve have sowe orGere please. Senator

Vaialabene.

SENATOR VàDALàBEàE;

Xes ' geere getting into the Nabit agail. aRd I zaie' a#

talk aboqt it last yeaz in regar; to our colleagues wko are

aqppose; to be responsib le Seûators *ho are playing vith

tâelr switches. oh these btlis. u.hen they come 29y 39 and 31.

ls I aald last.yeare sole of us vhen ue %it that narrov aar-

gine tàere's others v:o goald like ko gek on 'àose billsy bat

when tàey see that 30g 31 aad 32, refrain fro. getting oa

tkose bills; and conseguentlye the button players get off of

t:e bill an; it caases the bill either to get on pastpoaed

coasideration. loste or it takes t:e tize of tàe Senate.

xovx. I doa't haFe any Xilis on 3rd readiage bat I suffered

soae bad effects from that kind of game Playing last Session

ald :aG tvo very ilportant biils on postponed consideration

of vhick .ge heger got back to becaase tNe players piayed gitN

thetr avitches. fovy I think this is a bad practice and. :r.

PreslGent anG Meabers of the senate, for the sponaors of t:e

bizl and for tNe lobbyistse I tNink tkak kind of

aeeion.-.ahoald discontiauè.

PRESIDI:G OFPICEaZ (SZNATOE BEBCX)

zlao adgise tàe meaberslip aa to tàat practice tàat

ve---if yoa vait long enougà anJ chaage late enougàe the

oïficial Journal *ay hot reflect yoar' true yotee as that the

priqter sometlzes locks before you changee and alkâoagà Jou

*ay be changed on the electronic boarde tàe printer naï. in

;41 26., 1982

'acte print a 4iffereat totai. ànd so I xoql4 advise yoq

t:at zoq ma; be embarrassede. as ttme goes one if you xait

aatïl t:e ver; last second tbat the printer an; tâe boarG

mare in facte aot be tàe saae.

PKESIDI'G O'TICZZZ (SEKàTOR SAVICKAS)

For vhat purpose does Senator Dezuzio arise?

S/SâTOE nEMnzznz

Tisy Kr. President. Can ve go to tâe Order of Motions in

Rtiting no%7 g:at-w-is tâat the order ok Xuainess?

P:ZGIDING OCFICEQZ (SC#;TOA S'VICAAS)

.elly tNe order of busiaêss right noge Senatore ia 3rd

reading, seaaie Bills, 1592.

szxAeoa nzlczloz

9elle do we intend to get to Iottons in grïtïng...very

quickly?

PRZSZDISG OFPICEé: (SCXATO: 5à#IC;A5).

I vo al; suggeat you tqra aroand aa; talk to tNe Presideat

ok tke Genate.

SXXâTGR n::7ZIOz

9ell. I am talking to the Presiding Officer. Do ge

inten4 to get to motioas in vriting today'

PF;GIDING OT/ICZR: (SZXATOR SAVICKAS)

QNe Presiding Officer Goes not intqad ko get it--.to it

Fery quicklyy he intenda to go throqg: Senate billa 3r;

readlng.

SXXATOR D250ZIOI

I wàIA persist ip xy œotion at a later Gate tben. today.

P:/SIDIXG OVZICZR: (SXNATOZ.GàVICKâS)

Thank rou.'SZXATOR DEd0ZI0z

'Nank, roq, Sir.

PRZSIDING OEEICER: (SSNATON SJFICKJS)

Dn t:ê Order of Senate Bills 3rd aeading-v-sezakor

Tàomasy for ghat purpose do you arise?

- :Ar 26. 1982

SzgAT0a Tanxzsz

Mr. President; uhile ge ha4 just a little IJAA.. I94 like

to ask leave to bave Hoqse Bill 195:, vNich I ûm shogn, as key

spoasor. I woald like that changeG, if I could. to re'flect'it

sehator Daviisow-T:okas.

PRZSIDIRG OPPICCEI (SEXATOE SâVICKàS)t . .

Ioul've heard tbe motiox Is leave grante4? Seaator

pavidson indicates :e' vould' accept 1k< teave ls gralted.

sehator daikiaade for gNat pqrpose do yoq arisea'

3exzTO: :àIïL15Dz

Tâaaà zoa. :r. President. I vould also like to ask leave

t:at ml name be reœoved froa House B&ll 1733 an4 tkat tbat

bill be assigned to Senator Brqce.

PRESIDING'OPTICZRZ (Sd:ATO2 SIVICKAG)

rou#Fe heard kâe aotion.. ls leave grantei? teave is

granted.. Senake 3lll--.senator Nedza oa senate Bili 1502.

Rr-,serzetarr. gsald ïon read tà/ bâlA?

âCTIXG SECRCTIRKI (dR. 'ERNâRDES)

senate Bili 15c2.

(secretary reads kitie of b1ll)

3rd reaëing of t:e biil.

PRESIDIXG GfflczRr. (SZNATOR SâTIC:âG)

Senatot Nedza.

SEXATOR NEDZâI

Thaak you. dr. Presidente. Ladies ind Gentlelen of the

Senate.. seaate Bill 1542 increases khe bon; aqthorization

for aqparium and museam pqrposes fro? tàirty ai4la'on to sixty

alilion âollars- The iacrease in t:e bon; authorization is

qeeGed' for a number of reasonsy tàe extensive repair and

restoration work ia needed on the àrt Institute: tke Pield

'qseum. the Sbedd Aqqariam. Nev projects include more gai-

ler; space. for t:e ârt Iastitqte, a 'arine Kantel Pavilion

for tâe Shedd . Aguariuae an; galleriesy lectare rooms an; a

theatre for tàe Dqsable dusea? of âfrican.-.A*ericaa âlt. It

. . .

' page 17ù - :zI 26. 1982

sàoqld be noted tàak accozding to the diatrtct tbat the eight

auseuas will collect one Gollar fro* private doaors for every!

one dollar tNey receige ia tax sqpporfe; bon4s. 1: there is '

ao discnmmloa. I voul; mave for' a favorable roll calo. JI

PR:SIDQXG OFFICEZI (SENATOR SAVICKAS)

' Is there any Giscqssion? seaator Demnzio.

S::àTO2 nZ:7ZIOZ .

' Iesy I just Nave one question.. Senator xedza. on the. N

previoas billy 1501, the Chicago Civic Federation had a posi-

tive positiop on Senate Bili 1502. Can you tell ** what tàe

positioa of tàe chicago.w.civic Federation ise oa tàis bi1l2

' PRCGIDIXG O'FICER: (SENATOR Sâ42CXlS)-

senator 'eGza. .

s:#lT0R X:DZA: '

Senator Deuqzioy.. I caanot presaae to speak for the Civic

Federatione but the clvic redezation *as concerned wit: tNe

tgelge aillion doilals khak was the accFual on tàe previous

bonG issqe. ï:at---tvelve miilion dollars ?as applied

to.e.senate Bill 1501 an; on tàis oRe there*se you knowe it

?as jqst tâe tvelve lillioa is vhat ge gere concerae; vith.

ZRZSIDING OF#ICERZ (SZNKTOR SAVICKAS)

senator Grotberg.

SESATOE GZQTBERGZ .

Tbank yoa. dI. , PtesiGenk. A queatiou of t:e Cuair.

Woœld you teii me the Rqmber of Fotes necessary tow--pass

tâis bond aqthorization.

PRZGIDING Q?FICZRI' (ECXATDR SAVICKAS)Senator. *e*l1 gek back to yoq. ke vant to look at tàe

original bill. Senator Becker.. :

SZXATOR CECKEE: .

Tàank zon 52. President. kould tâe sponaor yield for ai

questïon?

ZRESIDING QTTICEZI (SEXàTOE GAVICKAS)

He indicates ke xili.

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SSNATOR BECKCR:

seaator xùdza. la 1s02, is tzere a kqndve4 an4 eiqht'r

tâoasand dollar bond for t:e szookfïeld' Zoo?

PRZSIDIXG O'FlcEAz (S?:èI0R 5â7IcKAS)

Senator hedza.

SS#zTO/ NzDZAZ

xoe tàere ls aot: Senator. It is.-.it is for eight

mqseums tokal.

BRZSIDING OFeICEa: (SANATOR SAVICKAà)

Seaator Bicker.

Szyâroz B,CK;2z

Xuseqls oalr?

PECSIDIXG OSFICEZI (SEKATOR SIVICKAS)

Senator NeGza.

SCXATOR NCDZA:

Yese it is for the àdler Planetarium. t:e â=t Institate:

the-o.càicago Acadear of Sciencesy t:e Ckicago nistorical

Society. tàe Xqsable Kaseq? of Afzican-Aaerican nistorye tàe

Field Kusea. od xatqral Eàstorye the shed; Aquarium and t:e

'qseqm of Gcieace and In4qstry.

PZZSIDI'G DFflczRz (SE:ATOQ 5l7ICXâS)

'urtàer discussion? If Mm can stand at ease for a

secoad. ge kete-..senator Grotberg.

SZ:ATOR GRDTBEEGZ

Qeily thank youe :2. Fresident. %e do need tNe ruliag.

ZABSIDING QPPICZR: (SEXATOR Sà#IcKAS)

Tàe rullâg woald-..senatore ve%ve read tNe biil. aa4

there's notàing ia ït tàat iadicates anytàing out of.the

ordinary. It does not apply to fq21 faith credik of +:e

State.. ao it would take tàirty votes. Senator Grotberg.

S2Nâ'oR GRDTBEAGZ

#elle tàank youy because I'? goiag to give zoa a vote.

but I vanted to Iake sure if ;ou needed tkirty-six that Raybe

sowebody else can too. The museqms of chicago beloag to

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eFerybodr ia Illiaols and ve don't vaat anything to realiy.

serioqsly impair tbea.. Somektmes even kheir art gork, for

tkose of yoa wào qaestione. but as long-o.velly I anderstand

tkaty but also coming to CNicago taxpayers--.a voice from tàe

backgrouhd says as loag as Chicago taxpayers pa; for 1t.

Tàere are kens of kàousaads of Illinoisans fro? dovnstate

tNat travel to CNicago aaG apea; their goo; Ioaey. Tàe

Kqseum bnmîness is awfql good for Chicagoe :ut it'a also good

for t:e State of Illihois-

PRESIDING OeYlcEzz (SE:â:ûR ZA7ICKAS)

Is t*ere further discassion? Senator Nedza *ay close.

S2xàTD2 'EDIàZ

àsk for a favorable roll call.

P2E5IDI:G O'FICERZ (SEXATOE SATICKIS)

The qqeation is: shall seaate Bill 1502 pasa. Tàose in

ïavor gill vote âre. Tkose opposed voàe Xaz. The Fotlng is

open.. Eave a1l voke; v:o visk? Eage ali vo:e4 vho vish?

'ake the record. on' tàat qqestion. the àyes a2e 53, the gays

are 2. none' voting Present. , semate Bill 1502 :aving received

t:e conatitatioaal majority is declare; passed. Senate sill

1516. Senator Carroll. Seaator Carroll kere? Gemate Biil

152.1. Senator Nimroë. Senake Bill 1522, Senator Carroll.

Senate Bill 1523. Seaator Carroll. Senate 3i1l 152:. Eenator

Buzbee. Senate Bill 1525. Senator 3uzbee. 'Seaate Bill 1558,

senator chew. Qead the biile dr. Secretary.

ACTING S'CRZTâEr: ('R. 'ERNZNDES)

senate Bill 1558.

(Secretary reaës title o; bill)

3rG reaGing of the bill.

PEXSIDIXG O'FICEQI (SZXATOR SàVICZAS)

Senator chevi

S:NâTOR cHdkz

Mr. President and Ladies an; Gentleaen of the Senate.

tkis ia t:e bili tàat ve caile; on Gay before yester4ay oz

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yesteriay. Seaator'coFfey aske; *e to hold antil *:e agree-

ments ba; gorkeâ out. Q:ose agreeuents are now uorke; outw '

all parties invalved are satisfied. It did not intend to

reacN a coaclusion as Naâ been rqmorei. Senator Coffq; *as

Giscokered t:at that is trqe an4 there's no controversy on

t:e biil aaG I'd ask tor a favorable roll call.

P2:5I9I:G O'YICERZ (SEXàTOQ GAVICKàSI

Is tàere any discnsslon? If not, tàe Gqestion is, sball

Senate Bill 1558 paas. T:ose in fagor vill vote âxe. Those '

opposed vote Nay. T:e voting ia open. naFe al1 FoteG v:o .

vlsâ? Have ail voted g:o vish? Take tbe recorG. 0n tâat .

qqestione khe Ayes are 56e tNe Nays are nonew none Voting

' Present.. Genate Biol 1 58 haviag received tàe constitatlonal

majority is declared tssed. eor' ghat purpose does senator

neàngelis arise?

SEXATOR DeANGZLIS: '

I kould like t:e meâbers of the Body to ànog that today

is tàe birthday of our esteeme; leader on oqr sideg. Senator

zhili#. ànG contrary to popœlar beiiefe be às not approach-

iag tNe age in ghicâ kis vote is to be coqsidered critical on

aay of the pe nsion bills. âlao availabie in his office at

t:e fiae hands o; N1a tlood secretazy. Oza. is so/e dellcious

birthdar cakee aRd everyone here is invited to 4articipate in

that at yoqr leisaze, ia tàe leaoer's office-, Happy BirtN-

ëaz. Seaator Pbilipr. L .

ZEESIDIRG OPTICZRZ (SENATOR Sâ7ICKâ3)

:ould Senator Ge o-Karis visb to leaë qs in song? Senator

Pkillp..

t SZNAQOR ZBILIP: '

Tàank youe :r.. Presiëent and tadies and Gentlelen oî the

Senake. Is tkat loaq eaoqghz I jast' waht to thaak yoay veryMqch.. from the bottv'z of œy heart. Toq knoge I'Fe been in

' t:e Generao Aaseably sixteen reara nog. It seens like

thirtr-six rearsy :at 1:.11 tell yoqg I've aet a lot of great

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people here. IeFe mnjsreG the colzaderye it:s a lo# of fuae

I still enjoz it. Look...forxar; 'to four More years at

least. lnd I bate like heck to adlit ite but I am fifti-tuo

an4 I feei twenty-tgoy aad-..all-.wall 'come back to ay office

t:en an; have a piece of cake and a cup of coffee. Thank

yoq.

PRZSIDI:G OEFICEEZ (SCNATGZ Sâ#IC%AS)

Senakor Carroll kas retqrae; to the Floor and seeks leave

tù go back to the Order of smnate Bill 1522. Is leave

graatedz Ieave...3516. ls..-senatore diG yoœ make up your

*inG2 senate 3ill 1516. teave grantedz Leave is granted.

Rea; khe bille dr. Secretary.

ACIIXG SZCESTâAII (5:. ';RNASDZS)

Senate Bill 1516.


PRZSIDIXG OPPICXRZ (SENATOR SàVICKAS)

senator Carroll.

SZXATOR CAa:OILI

TNank yoqe 'r. President and tadiek anG Gentlezen o' the

Senate. Ites probably' gery fitting that this :ill :e called

immeiiately after t:e announceœeat of Spnator Philip's birth-*

dayy and ia celebration tNereof: I think it appropriate that

le pass tàe back .over to the Bouse. This bill appropriates

one Gollar unGer the 'andates Act. which is a dollar Dore

kkan ue. have so far maaGatedy so that we can get it oger to

t:e House and Xeep it kxere as ue aeed it for mandakes: and I

voqld move-..l woald a4k f or a fagorable roil call.

PAXSïDING OfFIcEEz (SENà2oE Sâ4Ic;AS)

Is there an; Giscqàsioa? If notv Senate.m.tàe #uestiol

ise sàall Sêaate Biii 1516 pass. TNose in favor xiii vote

zxe. ràose opposed Foke xay. TXê votiag is opea. naFe a1l

Foted v:o viaà? Bave all vote; vho wish? Take t:e record.

0n that questione the lyes are 53e tàe Xays are R, none

Voting Preseat. senate Bili 1516 having Ieceived the con-:

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' ë

ytikutional œalorit# is declared passe4. Senator, 1522.

Senate Bill 1523. Qn t:e Order of Senate Bill 1560. Senator

Berlan. Read tàe bill. :r. Secretary.

ACTI'G SECEETàRYZ (:R. #ERNANDBS) i

seaate 3111. 1560.

(Seczetary reads title of bill)3r4 readiag o: the btll. ' '

. PQZSIDIXG G'FICZ:Z (S2<àTO: SàVICKàS) .i

Senator gerœan. ' i

SZXâTOR BBRXAX: ' '

T:ank youv :r. Presideat. This blll as aaende; ioes tàree

' tâings. Namber onew it' deaii with the Chicago Community E. :

;Sckool stad y comaissione it allows 4eskgnees to represeat tàe .

State Guperintendezt anG the Chicago superintendent of

Schools on that coamissioa anG extenis its reporting date .

'f ' 82 to sarck 1 , of ' 83. Secondly : it' if ro. sepkember 1. o

gives the autNoritr to sckool boaris to hire certlfied achool

. coqnselors anG a sapervised school counselor internse grants. J

perlissige pover ohly as to those persons. ànd tNirdly. it

clarifies tbak pareot teacNmr...colfereace Gays *ay be Nel;

on tàose days tàat are pres:mtir ueed as teacâer worksàop i

days.. I asX your favorable support.

PBESIDI'G OFFIC:SZ . (SX#âTO: Sz#IC%âS)

Is there aay discussion? Senator' Dàvidson.

SZNâTOS DAVIDSOXI

hr. President and zembers of t:e Senatey I rise in sup-

port of this bill as amenied and qrge a favorable vote.

PR*SIDING OTPICZRI (SENàTOR SAVICKàS)

' Is tbere furtàer discussionz If not. tNe question isy

shali Genate Bill 1560 paas- , fhose in favor will vùte Aye.

Those opposed vote xay. The votiag is open. Have a1i Foted

vào vlsà? Have alz voted w:o vish? Take t:e record. 0a

that questiony tàe àyms ary *55. the Nays are 1. none VotingTresent.. Senate Bill 1560.having receiFed t:e constitutioaal

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wajority is Geclared passed. Senate 5i2l 1588. Senator

Scàaffer. . Read t:e bille :r. Secretary.

ACTING S:CRZTARI: (:R. #2a#à%DES)senate Biil 15:8. '

(Secretary reads title of bilA) ' .

3r4 reading of the bill.

PZESIDIXG OPFICERI (SXNâTOR SAVICKAS)

Senator Schaffer. '

szxztoa.scgArrzRz

:r. Presideat an; members of t:é Senatey this :111

adâresses a problea that ve' have in the norkhern part of the

State vbere snovmobiliag is extremely popular. Due to a

leqai opiaioh in the Depart*ent of Conservatioae evidently

backe; qp by legal opinions and a coaple of our' local units

of governmente we caœe ap vit: an interesting Catch-22 simi-

1ar ko ::e old situation We used to hage on tNe sidevaiks.

If yoq shoveleG yoar sidevalk and soœeone felle you gere

liablee if zoq GiG aotàing. you weren.'t. ;Ne Departmeat of

Con servation Mas advised that lf they attenpted to mark haz-

ardz for saogœobiling an4 faile; to get thmm al1 or do tâe/

e xactly rigbt that tNey gere liable. bat if tàe; Gid nothiagy

tàey uerealt. The saogbxobile clubs have offereG to help t:e

Gepartzent Iark alI of our parks gere snovaobiling is alloue; .

aad tâe probleœ extends beyoa; oqr ovn systez. and franklyy

there aree in facte Peopie beiAg kilied and serioqsiy injared2 '

al4 loss of property becaqse of this problem. Thls bille I

thinke in a responsible gar atteœpta to solve that probleœ by

simply sariag that if you. ia a conscimnce effort attempt to

aark Nazarda for snogœobiiing.. yoa: will not be Neld liable

and---for anything kNat Toq voald otNervise. if

' youêG-m-if-.-yoqed have tàe saMe liabiiities if yoa'; done

aotàing. I think. obvioqslye we wish to encourage these kaz-

ards to be marked so kàak oar cikizens gill aot be àarmed.

ITd be âapp; to ansler anT qaestioas. The Department of

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conservatian is in sapport'as are tàe œany sno*mobile orga-

hizations. âppreciate Joar suppprt.

PRCSIDING OFFICZZZ (GZNàT02 3â#ICKàG)

Is tàeze aay Giscassion? If aot. the qqestion is. shall

seaate B1li 1588 pass. Tâose in fagor vill voke âye. Those

opposed vote xay. 'àe voting. is open. NaFe all Fote; *No

xis:? Have all voted gho'wish? Take the record. 0n that

qqestion. t:e àyes are 56.. tNe Nays are nonee 2 Vokin:

Present- , Senate Bill 1588 idving receiFed tâë constitatlonal

majobity is declared passed. senate 3il1 1596. senator

Buzbee. seaate Bill 1597. senator Berman. Senate 3il1 16û1.

senator chew. . Rea; tNe biiiy :r. Necretary.

ACTIXG SECRZRARYZ t5E. YERSAXDES) . i

senate aiil 1601.. II(secretary reads tltle of bill)

3ra reading of the :ili. .

PRESIDING OFFICZRI (S2:à1OR Sâ7ICRàS)

' Senator CNe/.

SIXA'OE. CnZ'I

TNank yoqe 8r. Presidênt and meabers of +îe Senate. Tkia

is the version to cxeate a neM .transit system ia norkhera

Illinois- Re di4 àave aome extenslve discussion on tNis 'oa

zesterdar. . @e' brougàt it back for tNe aaendœents kbat those I

aembers that :ad some proplems vlt: ik and thoae amendments

were adopted. I have no. additioaal amendaenfs axd ao oae ias

iaformed *e of any amendments tàat are oatstaading or filed.

ge kave carefully vorked thls oat witâ al1 parties coacerned.I gill alswer an; questionsy. othergisew I vouAd ask for a

favorable rolA caii. '

PAESIDIXG O'TICZRZ ISENATO: SAVICKAS)

Is tkere ah# discusaion; Senator Sangweieter.

JZNATOR GAXG'ZISTXZJ

. Rill tNe sponsor yield?

PQCSIDING OFXICEZZ (SZNATOE SAVICXAS) .

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' . j

ae ia4icates be w&ll. .

'

SEXATOR SANG/ZISTCEZ ,

seqator chev, I spoke to yoq tNe other day about t:is an4

you Gid ansger in t:e affirmakive. I just want to cbeck tbat .i in here is that correct? ' 't:e opt oût s .

PR:SIDING OFFICEEI (SCX1'O2 SAVICKIS) . Ii' j

Senatoz Chev.

SC:à10R C:ZQI ''

senator Sangœeistere khat vas adopted yesterdaye spon-:

' Isore; by Geo-Karis.

PRCGIDI'G OPPICCRZ. (SZ:ATO: SAVICKAS)

Seaator Saagmeister. (S:NATOE SAXG/EISTZZZ. .

Just a rapii, qaicà question regarding the opt oat

becaqse I did not see it aa4 khat's *y faalty not yoqrs. 3qt -

t:e oae that was in tâe ot:er tranaportakion bills around,

kàere ?as a t:ree xear period before roq coald opt out. HaFe

ou got--.tàat ?as adapted si/ilar to the syame one tàat.-.all

riq:ty thank yoœe that's all I need to knog.

PEZSIDIVG OTXICEE: (SCXAQOR SAVICKAS)

Is there furtNer Giscussioa; Sezator :ock.

SCNANOE XOCKI

Thank youe ïr. President ald LaGies aMd Gentlemen of tàe

Senate. I ràse in sqpport o: Senate Bil* 1601. Thls b&ll is

tâe work product of a number of public hearinga and public

meetings originated and iaikiated by the Conference of 'ayors

04 SqburbaR C00k Coqnty At the rëiuest. I Kiiht add.. 5f t;P '

Governor. The; have vorke; long anG. hard. Rhe; âave invited '

legixlative participation. ani. in facty. therq gaa. le:is- .

lative participation by bot: senatora chew aad carroil v:o :I

attended their Keetiags. 'hey gere meeking a couple of tixes Ia, xonth for the Past ïeu aonths. I thiak. the work Product is

a. good one. It afforGs to those vho were concerned aboat the

strqcture a krqe càange ln structare. It recognïzms kàe aeed

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for a State suvsidy and I think it's deserving of our sup-

port. I urqe an àye vote on senate 3il1 1601.

PRZSIDIXG crrlczaz (SEAàTO: Sâ7IcKâ5)

Is there fqrt:er discqssion? If not. senakor Chew Kay

close debate..

S::ATOR C:2?c

Thank youe xr..presidenté It is a step forvard. an4 to

reeaphasize wàak the President :as saide it4s been a 1ot of

long hoars and input frow everybody concerned. I vould ask

for a favorable roll call.

P::SIDIXG Qr#IC;RI (SCSAIQR SAVICKAS)

Tàe gqestion ize shall Senate Bill 1601 pass.. Tàose ia

'aFor viQl @ot âye. Ihose opposed gote xay. The. Foting is

open.. Seaator; voqld #ou gote me. Eave aIl Foted uho wisà;

aave all voted 'gho wish'' Take t:e record. on khat gueatione

the àyes a2e 3': t*e 'ays are 20w 2 Voting Preseat. Senate

sili 16:1 âaving received the constitutioral Dajority ia

Geclare; passed. Seaate Bili 1696, senator Bruce. senate

Biii 1607. , on kNe OrGer of Genate Bilos 32d aeadinge senate

Bi1l 1607. zouid you rea; k:e bille :z. Secretazy.

ACTING SZCQ/TARYZ ISR.. r1E:lxD:s)

Genate Bill 1607.

(aerretarr reads title of bill)

3rd reading of the b1Al.

PRESIDING D'#ICERI (SENATOZ SâVICKAS)';

Seaatoz Bruce.

SZ:ATOR BRBC:Z

Tàank you, :r. Preaident. Senate Bill 1607 changes the

forxala uadlr vhich dlstributioa ls aade of tàe corporate

Personal Praperty Replacemeat ;aI Funds. às you vill Iecali:

whea that biil vas passed three years agoy at t:e requeat of

Seaaeor Kaup al a,d others. le pat a àold-:arazeas claase ia

tàere vNich related to sixt; percent of the 1976 and #77

' collectiona. 3ecause of changes ve have made ia tke statutes

Page. 180 - 5â' 26: 1982

!

' and tàe effect of khe econoayy tNe amoant of collections that

Nave been received in the Corporake Personal Property 'ax Re-' placement eun4 hage aot risea Rearly at tàe rate gë expectei.

gNat this bill ioes is chaige that distribution foraula to

rezlect t:e lesseaeu amouat o: aoney ve uave so 'tsat dis-

tricts Go not lose any aoaer. an4 it àolds everx district in

kNe State of Iliinoisy some six khousand seven Lundred kaxiag

4istricta karmzess vrom zoss sy moving t:e zormula to tae

1978 yersonal property tax collection year. That is fair to

khe ïorlqlae tberee/eryoaew 1 beiieFe. If we Go not move

aill be txo thousaaG seven Eun4red districts that will lose

ap to fortz' percent of their revehues. three Nuadzed and

' sixty-one 4istricta that vill lose more than sixty percent of

thelr total reveaaes. bqt oaly abouk târee tbousand districts

tkat will àave any gaine aad tNe waxima? gain of ail 1Ne dis-

tricts is two percent. I :ave œade agailable and indicated

ia t:e committee, we Kave run eaé: taxing distrïct in the

state o; Illiaois. ve àave a priatouk of &t. tàex are all ia.

âz far as I kaov. #he Kunicipài leaguey tàe zaxpayers redera-

tion, j usk about everyone that I can t:ink of except t:e -

apple grovers save ia4icated that tâey vould like. to c:ange

k:e iormuia so tkat'everroue is hel; barmlesa based oa t:e1978 coliec tion zear. I knov of no opposition to t:e bill '

and I voqld ask for your favo/able coaaideration.'

PEZSIDI'G OF#ICEQZ. (SZXATO: SAVICKAS)

ânr discussion? senator sc:illan..

SZNàTOR :cd ILLANZ

' Ver; simplyv I rise in'pu:port of the bill. It's ver;

heceEsary. I seek a favorable roil call.

PRZSIDING.OTTICERI (SENITOR.SAVICIAS)

senator galsb.

S/NACOR RAISH;

Wiil the Gentle/an yield for a questioaz

PRESIDING OYTICZRI ' (SENATOR SAVICKAS)

- 5âY 26,. 1982

He inëicates Ne will.

:Z#ATOR QAISaI

Senator. I trie4 to follov your explanation of this.

The.e-âe*re concerae; Nere vith a reallocation of the funds

khat a2e collecte; unGer tàe Persoaal property 1ax replace-

aent ta x that #e eaacted a'couple of years ago. ànd...I:m

qsaalzr in soxetàln: like tàlae, yoa#re taklng frok Dne and

giving to another. an4 I:* îondering @ho benefits and to

vkose Getriment is---is tàis bille if it passes? I Navenft

seea tâe list vàip: yoa#ve distri:ated but-..ue#re talking

aboqt the sa/e amoult of money thit's going to be distributed

in û Ranaer differept frol that in wNich it is Gistribated

5 I wonder ii you *igkk elaborate on that.n0W: oe

?RzsIDIxc orrlciaz (S2:lT0: 3à7ICKâs)

senator Bruce.

szxzeoa annczz

Tbaak yoq. Senator valsh. Tâis.wtuls is tke list of

taxing dtstricts. so I di; not distribute' it to Joa. @e

goul; have haG al increase in the printiag costs of tàe State

tha: even vm coulda't afford. It is true tàat ve are

red istriàuting tàe xonkrv but Ie--the reason that there âas

not beea >nJ great oppoaikion is tkat ihose froa vhon we are

taking 'aoaeyy k:e zaxim.a? they have. of a1I t:e six thousand

seven àaadzed dlstricts. à:e aaxiaua iacrease ls tuo aaG oae-

kaif perceak qover last year. 'he la ximqu iecline of soâe tgo

thousan; an4 seven iundred Gistricts has been qp to sixty

perceat loss.. Tbose gNo are gainingy aze gaining so little

tàat tbey have decided to reGistribate tke ïoaey. No siagle

anit of government in the. Statè of Illinoiz ia goiag to lose

aore thaa two and a half percent of t:eir kotal coliection.

Districta I kaov in senator.-.one-..oae school district ia

Senator Buzbee's district ia going to lose--.it goea from a

hundred aad nine thon'unn; dollara in tvo years to eleven

thousani. a loss of a hqndre; thousand iollars neariy in a

- EàY 26e 1982

k*o year period..so, that is...I visà Seaator dcHiilan aere

stiil oa t:è 'loar. ge lent t:rougà thts is comnittee. It is .

a distr ibationy. you are absolutelr correcte we arq takiag

fro. soœe vianers aad redistrib uting to t:e loserse bat there

ar: very fe* kiaaers aad almost a*1 the 4istricts lose Money.

PZZSIDI'G O'#ICE2z (SEXâTOR SâVICZâS)

senator galsh. ' i- I

SZNATOR %AZSHI .1. I' ' j

#eile 'àe O#e eXaXP1e ;0Q #avp WDQi; iDdicaâe ZO 2* We /I

. shoald Fote 'o. on this bill---nothiag personale Senator

Bazbee.. 5ut 1...1 Jqst wondere that is the effect maybe for .

tkis-w.tàe nelt year. gkat.-wvkat ia the overall effmct .1. . i

iR...I...I knog ve :ad considerabie iebate on this-.won t,.Ls

5ill gken it was origiaally passed, an4 once ve cbange t,''.-s

' formulay ve.-wve finë these thiags are very Nacd tow.wto '

ckange back if...&f vhat we are doing nov .is aok tâe ritlt

tàiag to 4oy becaqse &àe Peopie tâat benefft *ay be in a muc:

stronger position to see the error of their xays than what

you state aow. The peopie gào are. benefiting, apparentlze are

either nok aware of vhak's going on or are villing to-.-to(*ake a càaa:e. But is this---is it a population trend situa-

tion. or--.or-..or if you caa' explain jqst vhat brought aboat

the--.the aeed for this bill?

PRdSIDI'G OTEICER: (SS#ATO: SAVICXâS)

Selator Brnce.; '

sllàeoa aauczz

okay. The problem àas been. ge kave lore zoney to dis-

trtbute each iear. So. I meany I want you to keep that in

*144. 0ne of t:e coatroyersies. as you recall, when we

passed tàe replacement'tax is kkat it Would go qp every year

and kaxiag districts voqld qet a vindiall from t:e incowe tax

addition that they wouid not have gokten frou personai prv'p-

erty taxe anG that is exactly what has happened, that is uhy

this is aot a biio that kas caused a great deai of angûish

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: . . I

' fro? taxing distrlcts. tàey havee in facte, receive; more

money. %e base those allot/entsv based on 1976 for .

Govastate.w.for Coox and 1977 for dovnstate. às yoq recall

kàe pok is diviied iako two--.tgo portiona. In tEe legis-

lation as ve passed it. ve sai; tbey qo district this coziag '

year goqld get less than sixty percent of-.-of the initial

Fear. The problem is tâe colleckions an4 kov much ge are qek-.

. â

. tàng is goiag 4owa. it-is not iacreasing at a fast rate as ve

tsolghte so that vhen we go to that forœula oï sixty percent

of eitNer 1976 or 1977. tNere are a great nuœber of losers. .'

' bqt'verye Ferr feM #ainmrs. If yoa aogé khe rear to 178. t:e '

y . zyzau yzvs uua,sz, .aïoqn of Role; has groln ffbà àbôut an ia

aad eighteen Killlon. àas grogn ênougà tEat if ve càange +he .

a'ssessœent year for'everyone to 1978 vbic: is the year per-

sonal property taa gas abolished, if ge go to that yearw t:e

nepartaelt of Eevenue an; the administrakion v:o supports

tàls says tàat t:at is a fair Gistzibutioa of.the money

available. ' .

222SIDI%G D#eICZ2: (SCXâTOZ SàVICKâS) .

Senator 'alsà. . '

SZXATOR RALSHZ.

' So then.w-correct Re if. I#* vronge khis-..tkis bi12

changes the-.wtàe base year fro? 1976 to 1978: Does it do

anything other than that: Seaakor Bruce? 1...1. can ûnder-

staa; gày we're makiag it '78 beca use tâat.-wan; it also goes

from sixtz to a hundred pezcent? Does it do tvp tàings?

PECSIDING.QFPICCRZ (SKNâTOR SA7ICKAS)

s/nator Bruce. '

SZXàTQE BRGCdI,

?e2A, as roa Anow: t:e pot is deteraiced b; tàe :76-:77

yeare that àas not changedw..the. fifty-tvo forty-eigàt split.

kâat we are cNanging.by this is.. under the originao legis-

lakion, ve triggered the hold-Naraless provision which is

already in txis àct to *76 and 477 coliectioaa and ve started

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phasing thak out. So that it vas a NundreG' percent last 1

zear, it is to be sixty percpnt tn t:e coming year. 'he 'e .

. gepartzent of zevenqe Will. to an; ta xing body tàat requeats '

lp kritinge a cerklficakion of âov 'lacN aoney we:re going to .

#ek froa corporate personal Property tax. Tou need it for

zoqz boa; ald interest fqnd: yoq need it for maay levies. '

Rhat the; foqn; out is that in.--gNen I get t6e figurey ites ''

' about three tNoqsand . iistricts of tàe seven-..six tbousan; Q

aeven hœndzede ther all got letters back sarlag. youzre goiag

to gek a 1ot less œoney at sixty percent of t:at year.. khat '

tkis bill doese and it was irafted by the De/artment of

Revenuee ?as to change t:e :old-âarmless year to 1978 collec- .

tlons.. 'hat'protects everybody in Nhe State of Illinois tàat

tàey get as mach as they got in :78. â lot of districts are '

going to get Iore. A lot of Gistricts are getting nore tkan

they ha4 ever from persoaal propyrty taxe because it has :

grogh. Wàat this does is say tàat you caanot get less t:an

1978 vhic: is khat you got xken ye abolisNed tàe tax. 'hat

seems to be fairy tàat was t:e year in khicà ve did auay wit:

the ta x. @e aov knov 1978 co lleckionse no district gill be

harxe; i: ue keep ik tàak Waye no-..ëistrict is goiag to be ''

qnjustly earicked. If ve doh't change it and ve leave it at

seventy percent.-.or sixtx .petcent of 476 an; .7.7. neariy

târee tàousau; of t:e sixty seven Eundre; districts vill Qose

aaG tàey are big loserse up to sixty percenk of tkeir total '

is goiag to be lost. AaG sole districts----soae ihree hQn-

dred districts g1ll lose one âqnëred percent of tâeir per-. ' ;aonal property taI collections becaase tàeg made ao collec-

kioà la that yeaz. '. . : .

.PRZSIDIXG OPTICER: (SZ:ATOR SIVICKAS)

Is there fœrther discqssion? Senator Ni/rod.

SESâTOR NIHRODI

reahe one fuzkàer queation, :r. President. of tke '

SPO2SOr. . .

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PZCSIDING QFPICZR; (SCXATOR SAVICKIS)

qe indicates :eêll yield.

SZHATDR NldRonz

Rhat... what àappensa.-l understand vhere vm are nogv bqt

vhak Nappeas as Me go on a zear and' we get out of

this-..decliuing involFe*ent . of monex and it starts 'to

i*ptove agaia?. àre .we goiag to create another iaeqqity?

PAEGIDING opllczaz (S;XATQ/ Sà#ICKzS)

Genator Bruce.L ..

SZHATOR BEOCZI,

xo..mno. now yoq reaembere Senator Nimrod. as tNe syste?

grovsy. yoq will only ge+ rour percentagee xoar proportional

share. 'âls ls :âe floor-.-tàls is tàe floor and it saxs

that yoq can never. get less than :78. Once ve--.every taxing

4istrict ia t:e State gets their z78 skaze, ve tuen divide it

11 kàe 'other taxing 4istricts. às the system grovsazong a

;oq gill get yoqr share of vhat persoaal property tax collec-

tions vere in '76 aAd in '70...in :77.,

PAESIDIXG OZTICZQ: (SZNATOE SàVICEAS)

Coul; we break up those coaferencese this is Fery i/por-

tant. Senator srace...

SZNAQOR :QECEZ

okaze seaator 'imroG.--so that I Goa't confuse you, what

yoq get is bdse; on your *76 aa4 #77 collectiona as a propor-

tioa of the total pot. Then--.bqt ;ou gili not get less than

Tocr #73 coizectioas. So tàis just eskablisàes tàe floor.

You gill aot be unjustl; enricNqd as---as the system glows

becaase you will ronly get rour proportional aàare as it *as

determined in.' *76 aa; in :77, dognstake aad Cook

Couaty.-pcook County Dovastate..

PEESIDING 0f#ICE2: . (SENATOR SAVICKAS)

Is there furtàer dïscqsaioaz If notv Senator grqce may

close.. Senator Bracee do you wisà to elose?

SZNATOA BEUCSIi

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I''m...a11 tâia bill does ls chaage kâe foraula so tâat no

taxing iistrict v1ll be NarmeG next year by the distribqtlon

of the money tn tàe corporate Persoaal property tax by basing

it on t:e 1978 coliections. I knov of no objectione no

taxlng distriet ia t:e state of Illinois opposes tNis bili.

It is sqpported by eFery group I kaov o: because it equitably

Givides t:e *oney bT pqtting a holi-harzless ahd also allovs

tNe gtowth to go to those Gistricts il tNe same proportion it

gas in :76 an4 :77. It just places a floor under t:e three

tkoqsand Gistricts that stand to lose a great deai of zoney'

unless ve càaage tàïs àill and pass. eàis 5i11 and I#d ask for

Jour favolabie consideration.

PZESIDI:G OEFICCEI (SZWAIOE 5à7ICKlG)

The qqestion is. sàall Seaate Bill 1607 pass. 'hose in

favor kill vote. àye. T:ose opposed vote. xay. The Fotihq is

open. Eage all Fote; ?:o vishz Rave all Foked wNo wish?

Taie tk* record. Oa tkat gqestion. t:e àyes aze 57e tàe xays

are noaee none Voting Present. S/nate Bill 1607 Kaving

receive; tàe constitutioaal majority is. declare; passed.Senate 9i11 1613. Ge'nator Nevhouse. (Nacâine cqtoffl-.-Bill

1814. Senakor Bloox. senator ïewhouae.

SESATOR :EQHOESXZ

Senatar secker asked if I voul; Xriag khat :1il back f5r

aa aœendment and I xill accom/o4ate hia. I*4 jqat liàe to

lake certain that I can get back to t:e bili kodar. lad I

undezstand that's tàe Parpose of the recall llste rlgàt?

PRESIDING OFFICESZ (3E:àTGQ GIVICKAG)

zight. %e NaFe a list now being Rade qp of tà/ recalls.

SEXATOR XZ@HSQSEI

Thaak you.

PRESIDING O'PICZEI (SZNâTO: SAVICKâG)

Senate Biil 161:. Senator Blooz. Rea; tàe bilie ïI.

Secretary.

âCTING SECRETARTZ (dE. 'EEXIWDZS)

' .h1

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Senate Bill 1614.

lsecretary reads title of bill)

3r4 reaëing bf.tàe bill. ' .

PEZSIDI'G QFFICER; (SEXATOR SAVICZàS)

Senatpr Bloo*.

5ENâTOR BLOOSZ

' Thaak youe :r. President and fello? Senators. Txis bill

, also is recommended by t*e Joint Comxittee on âdKinistrative

Rqles. Brieflye in October of 1980 ve flled advlsory oblec-

tions to lNree pzovisions of R and ;*s aedical iisciplinary

rules becaqse tàey did not set out standards and criteria.

and tkat v.e Jelt that ik giolated Gection 4.02 of the I1li-

nois âdministrative Proceiuze àct. 'his legislation sets. out

stan dards anG criteria to be used in determining what consti- .

tute t:e groun4s for revoking physicians licenses. 1:11

ansver any qaestionse êothervise, I woal; semx your support.

P'RZSIDIXG OFFICZQZ (SEXàTOR SAVICZAG), ;.

Is there aay discqssion? If Roty the gqestion is shall

Seaate Bill 161% pass. . Tkose in favor vill vote àye. Tkose

opposed Fote Nay. Tke votiag is open. Have aII voted v:o; .

vis:? :ave all voted u:o visà? Take tàe recorG. oa that

guestion the âyes are 53e the gays are nonee. none Fotiag

' zresent. . Senate Bill 161% àaving received t:e constitutional.

aajority is declared passed. Senate 5ill 1624. Senator

g'ârco. Eead khe billy :r. secretary.

ACTING SCCQCTàRYZ ('R. PEEXàXDZS)

(sacàine cutoffl..-Bill 162:.

(Sycretary reads tiàle of bill)

3r;' readin/ of tàe blll. '

PEZSIDING OTTICZRZ. (SZXATOR S1#IC;AG)

Senator D'Arco. I

szXàToa D'AACDZ

Tsank y'oq. Kr. Prmsidept. Thls is tse peasion bill for

tàe Chicago Park employees. ge discuased the amendzent

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' resterday as far as the survivorês ana qit; and tbe c:ild's

aaàqity gas concerned. The bill itself deals wïth a Person

. age sixty or overy ani proviGes tàat he may opt out of tàe

pepsloa system iTe ia facte Xe Joins tbe park district whea

' Ne is age sixty or over. ve don't Ieel that it shoqld be

incumbent upoa hi> Fto pay into t:e pensioa system becaqse Ne

' is. aixty years old and he woœld not enJoy t:e benefits of a' ' ension becanze of :is age.P:.

PEZSIDIWG OTPICZRI (SZNATOR SIVICXAS)

Is tkere any discqsslon? If not...seaator Bernïng.

SZ:âT02 BZRXI:GI

' Thahk yoq. Kr. Presidelt. :ay I ask the sponsor a qaes-

tioa aboqt hïs statement of exemptlon under t:e State

' , 'andates zct. Senator. vNat do yoq have ia t:e way of a

' ' statezeat and f roœ klloœ? .

PRXSQ9IXG OPFZCEZ; (SZXATOR SAVICKAS)

Selzior 9'ârCO* '

SZXAQOE DIARCO;

I don't have the amenGment in front of *e. Do you have

k:e aaeadmeat?

. PRZSIDING O##IC;2z. (SENàTOR SàVICKAS)

Senator serning.

SE#âT02 BZRNINGZ

xo.. 1...1 Goh't hage t:e azen4lent. 'y undeçstanding is

that-..this. kàat*s been furhisàed *e, is an amyndœeat to the

Act. B2. ?zesiGent an4 meabers of the Genatee anâ it saysy I

*t:e General àsseœbiy fiais tNat thia àct does not reguire

reimbursement unier subGlgision i. of Section 6 wf the state

landateà àct.? ' àndr let me refer you tàea gqickly to section

E of the Stàte 'andates àct. vhich sayse bear iu mind this is 1II

tàe la w. right now, *A2l...all of tNe increasGd costs of t:e

local governœent dizeckly attributable to a mandrttd increase

in public employee retiremept benefits enacted after the

effectïve date oi tàis àct and vhich has the effect of

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eievating retiremeat' benefits of local governmeat employees.

shall be relœbqzsed b; the State.* :r. Presi4eat and members

of the senatee it appeats qaite obvioqs that thïs aKendmeat

to the âct in no vay obviates tNe obligation of t:e State of

Illinois under tNe provisions tàat voqld pregall if tàls bil2

is passe4. àn4 ve uoal; be talkiag aboqt an annual cost

of.--la the neigàborâood of three :andred thousand dollars a

yeare and kkat is in addikioa to tbe over a Killion 'dollars

whic: tNe funG voul; Nave to absorb as iacreased

anGerfunding. Tàe gueskion arises---Ladies and Gentlelen of

tàe senate. as to vkat Goes it really take for the state of

Illlnois ko be absolved o; obligation qnder this statutory

provisiow Short of amending the lag.. it vould appear to ae

that tNe Fery least ve caa depend on is a copy of a resolu-

tàon dqlz enacted by the city coqacil advislag the State of

Illlaoïs tWat tàe State 1ï11 Xe àezd àaralmss. aad anT and

alI obligation as a result ofe in tkis case. Senate Bili

1624. vili be borne by *Ne city couacil. I#. not sare, :r.

Presïiente hov soon the-.-the Seaate sponsox coul; furnisk us

wità khat. but ; sabxit tNat xithout thate the State of Il1i-

aois ?ill be obligated if this Senate does pass 1624.

PRCSIDING O'PICZEZ (S;ïâ10R S&VICKAS)

;PI seeks permlssion to f&la. ïs perlission granted'

Leaye is. granted. Senator Buzbee.

szXâzo: :OZBdCZ '

Iesy.. thank you. :r. Presideat. firatv Senator D'Arcoy I

haFe absozatelr ao obleckioa to tâe lnteation oî your bill aa

ameaded. 'y fear is vbat's goàng to h/ppen to it vhen it

ts -'to tàe :ouse of nepresentativese an4 this 'is a pensionge

bill ald I khlak ve are a1l very mqcN aware of ghat happene;

to tàe pension bills as tâe; came back to this Bod; last year

after tàey left the nouse of zepreseatatives. ând tNere verm

aome aœendœenta put on in the House one those penaion bills.

: tàat .sevezal of us 1n thls :odz fouad to be oljectionabie aad.

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e*barrassiag. Filsk of ali, *; questioa to you isr Moulè you

assure us ghen this bill co/es bac: from the Eoqse to us khat

ou w.i1l keep tàe bill ln ïks preaent pristkne f orary and nok

accept any alenilents that the noqse might add. on as it

pertains to Geaeral âssembly retlrelenk'; or as it pertains to

jqiges: retireMeat or anybody elses retirement?

PQZSIDING OZPICZEI (s:Nâ'OR SàYICKAS)

senator Dêàrco.

SZ:AT02 D'A:COZ

eellw yese I voald do that. and. fact, if there's any

aaeadléats on..woffeled in the Eoase on the bill. I vould not

concar in tâose amendments and goul; hope tNat the. bill goul;

remain in..-in its Càristiae 'orm. ând I ioa't knog

Càristine Ilseif bqt-..l heard' she's a hell of a giri. 'oe

bqt 1...1:11 do that for yoa.

PRESIDISG OE#ICSR: (SCNAIQR SAVICXAGI'

senator Buzbee.

SZNàTG: BUZBEE:

'hank rou. Qell. I appreciate thake Senator DeArco. 'y

second point ia a question to tNe Senate Presidentz I vonder

if Ne is going to ralae the constitational objection oa this

bill tkat àe 4i; on Senator igaa anA my bills previoqslzw

given the fact that this bill.addresses tvo separate things.

0ne is tNe Pension code and the otâer is the State dandates

âct, anG I thlnk that perhaps Senator Rock aay have a

commente because he is concerne; about kàe constitutional

qaestion as to gbekher you can address those t?o subjécts in

ope bill. I wonder if senator Rock vouid caée. to comment on

that.

PREGIDI'G O'TICZAZ (3SNâT0R SIYICKâS)

senator Rock is not on the eloory and I#* sure after he

reads the transcript, he vill send yoa :is cowmen ts.. Senator

Grotberg.

SERATOZ GEOTBZRGI

:àY 26. 1982

Thank youe dr. Presi4ent aR4 felloM Senators. I would

first of ail like to ask a qqestloa or t?o of t:e sponsor if

be vouid yielG. '

PQESIDIXG D'PICCAI (SENâTQE SâVQCKAS)

Iniicates he vill yieli. '

SZ#àI0R GROT:ZRGI .

senator Dezrco. t:e old question alvays goes back to wào .

van ts this bill, an4 I can--.itês t:e Câicago Park District . '

anG ve knov. that. but :ov manx indlvidqals are affected; '

PREGIDIXG OTFICCR: (SZ:âT0: Sâ#IC7â5)

Senator D# ârco.. .

SZXATOR D#l2CDI L . '

. I guess a1l of t:e spousea of t:e retired lealers

anG.-wand k:e offapring of tàose membqrs Would be affected by

t:e bill. ' ' .

P'XSIDI'G OFfICCRZ (SXSAIO: Sâ7ICKà5) ' .

Senator Grotberg.

SZXAIOR GZOTBZEGI

our sqmmary ehows. Senator D4lrco. and I donêt knou if

.t ' s stlll J.n it. u at it gas tbose oger' age sixty uhea they

started gork. Is t:at still ia the bill?

'QCGIDIAG O'PICZ:Z (GENATOZ SAVICXAS)

Sena tor D# lrco.

' SENàTOR D:ARco:

? Tes, that'a still in tNe bill.

PRESIDI'G OPPICEEZ (SZNATOR SâVICKAS)

senator Grotberg. . . '

5ENàTOR GQOTBZRGZ '

Relle it seezs to mee :r.. Presldeat and feilo? Seiàtors.

tkat this is kind of a aev departqre. I don't knov'vbo

Pristine is. I wouid' like to meet :er oae dar tooy but czeak-

ing creatlve retirement prograMs for people u:o enter aystezs

at tNe age sixty and beyon; is kind of a gàole new baiigame

in tàe rekirepemt businesse ae far as I knove. and StateI

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retlreaent programs an4 otàer pqblic retirement programsw an4

Jqst base; on khak aloaey letting tàe door. opea to sueb

expansàon oe already troibled an; anderflnded retireaent pro-

gramse seeœa'' ko œe like a bad vay to go and I think ge shouid

Gefeat the bill. .

ZZESIDING O'FICCRZ (SEHATOR Sà7ICKâS)

Seaator Rapp.

SENâTOR RUP/I

Thank youy Kr.e?resident. I tNiàk ve shoqld get bact to

. t:e xain point here. In t:e coKmittee/ the sponsor agreed

tàat le woqld get a sigaoff letter taàing the respoasibillty

'or tàe *oney under the bill. Tha: is vhat we are waiking

fory ve io not have tàaty an; soe. I ask tâat he Nol; t:e bill

untii he gets &t. lhat's vhat the indication tàat ve got in

tâe comœittee, tàat's *ây some of as perhaps Foted to permlt

it to get ont o: the committeg.

PRESIDI'G OFTI/ZAI (SEHATOR SAVICZAG)

# qrther diecussion? Senator D'lrco may close.

S;:âT0R D'ARCO:

Tàaak youe ,r. Presideat. To anauer Senator Berning and

Selator Rqpp. the...khe qqêstion becomes xhetNer or not. t*e

seconë aleaèaeake wàic: proviGes that the Generai lsse/bly

f inds that this Act Goea not reqqire reimburseaenk under sqb-

tioa : of.e.of Sectioa 5 of thq state-..dandates âctw doessec

specificallr progide tkat tàe State does not have to rei*-.

burse t:e aait of locai governaeat. ànd in my opiniony tâere

is no inconsistency in that ameadmeat aad tàe bill itsmlfe

an4 ik voal; meek t:e requirelents of t:e State handates àct.

I 'have here a ietter from the-.-a :r. O'Gradyv *ho is t:e

State's daadate Review Officer. AaG he says. it is--.it 2ay

be a question oe judicial interprekation Mhether or not the

amendaeat is consistent or not consistent with tke state

Aandates àct. ând ke does spggest a xecNanizœ ;or remedying

tâe sltuation lf we feeze in our. wislome that there is some

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ipconsiateacy. 'There is no qaestion that the legisiatiFe

tatent auë my latent in passiag thts bill is to exempt the

state froa relabarse/ent. I œeane tàat should be absolutely

ùlear. This burdea, if yoa vaat to call it that. is going to

fall on the Ckicago Park nistrict only. ge ëon't want aRy

aone; ilom the Gtate of Illinois to pay for theae increasedbeaefitae aad I maxe tNat perfectly cleare here aad uov. If

tNere ia a problem and--.and tkere is a gqestion of interpre-

. tatione I *ilQ definitelye. a4d I give you ly gorde giil defi-

attel; solve that proble/ ghen the bill is in tàe ioœse. âad

ke can sit dovn and. stud; tàat question. Bqt I'vaat Eo Kaàe

it erfectly clear it is not our intent to violate tse state '' '-- '' ' ''p ,

xaadates Act and 2 doa.t knov hov else to pat it.

#R:SIDING OPPICERZ. (s2xâTO: SAVICKAS)

The qqestioa is sûall seaate Bill 'l6-..,senator Berninge

ge are on tàe closing re*arks of Geaatsr D'ârco. so. we are

on k:e vote nov. Senitor n'àrco.

SBNATOR D'âRC0z

àn; senator Beraing indicated it would-..it gould take a

resolqkioa froa k:e city council in order to satisfy tàat

requirement., %elly the State dandates of'ficer iadicates that

t:e sizple reiterating in the bill ïtseif that tàe càicago

Park Distrïct vould pay t:e cost of khese beaefita gould

sa tisfy the reqqitemenks of.tbe àct. ànd he is in a Iuch

:etter positlon to knov wàak the State Aandates Act...âct

kegvires thaa I.-wthan I believe anybo4y else. Goe we don't

kave to go to tàe city council for a resolqtion to prove tNe

polat.

PZXSIDI:G O'TICZR: (SCNAQOR SàVICKAS):

The qqestion 1sg shall Senate Bill 1624 pass. Those in

favor viil vote Aye. Tbosa opposed Tote Way. T:e Foting ia.

open. XaFe ail: voted #ào wisà'' Bave alA Foted vho gisNz

aave all voted v:o wisk? Ta#e tàe record. On tâat questlon,

tXe àyes are 30e t:e #aya aIe 28e none Voting Txesent. Senate

- :Ar 26, 1982

Bill, 162: âaglng receiged tNe constitutional malority is

declared passed. eor what purpose does senator Ehoads arise?

szxâvoa asoznsz

'o ceqaest a verlïipa tioa of tue atfiraative vokee :r-

PresiGent.

PAiSQDIXG O'FICdEZ (SE:àTOZ SAYICKAS)

senator Rhoads Nas requested a veridication. 9ill all.

tâe senators be ia tAeir seats. :111 a11 t:e Seaators be in

tkeir seats. gi1l the Secre tary read tàe affirmakive votes.

:n; of aeel

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Tage 195 - :zr 26y 1932

Rzzt #7

ACTING S ecREfâzïz (dQ. EERXANDES)

'àe 'olzoging goted in tàe affiraatiFez Bermaae Bracew

Buzbeee, Carroll. Ckew. colltas. n'Arco. Dawsone. Degnane.

nenqzioe Donaevald. Egang Gitz. nall. Johns, Jereœia: Joyce,

Jeroœe Joycee temkee darovitz, 'cLendon, xaah. 5e4 zae Nega.

Netschy. xegbouse. Sangmeistere sâvickasr Tarlore Vadalabenee

:r. Presi4ent.

PRZSIDISG OFTICEFI (SZXATOR SATICKAS)

Senator Rhoadsy Go xou gqeation the attendance bf aq#

senatorz

GZWATOR RSOZDSZ

senator Davson.

PEXSIDING O'FIC:RZ (SENàTOR GIVICKIS)

Senator Davson is atanGiag iz the back.

SEXAIOA RQOADSZ

Seaator 3rqce.

PRZSIDIXG OTTICZRZ

Seaator Brqce

(SZNâTOR SàVICKAS) '

is..-is senator 3ruce oa tàe Fioor? Sena-

tor Brace às on tâe floor. Is tàere-..

SZXATOR EHOADSI

Senator icLendon.

PRZSIDIXG OFAICCaZ (5E:ATO: Sà#ICKâ5)

Senator Kclendon. Is Senator KcLendon on. tNe Floorz'

ienator KcLendon. . Seaator 'ciendon on the Fioor?

SZNATOR RHOâDS:

I Gon.t see hiae Go you;

PRZSIDIïG O'#ICEZI (SZNàTOR SIVICIIS) '

:e's not ansuering t:e ca11.. Strike :1s nale from tàe

record. no you guestion t:e atteadance of aay further Sena-

tor2 Senator D'lrco aska ieyve to postpone conaideration.

Ia leave grantedz LeaFe is graated. On tàe order of Senake

- :zI 2:. 1932

3ill 1643. Senatar Davidson. Senator navidson. Seaator

DaviGson.

SZKATOE DAVIDSO:Z

hr. President and *eabers of tàê Senatey Iêd llke leave

to Table 1643.

PRESIDIXG OFFICEE: (SZNâTOR SàVICKAS)

Toq've Near; t:e *otion. Is leave granted? Leave is

graated. . Senate Bill 1643 is TableG. senate 3ili 1645.

Senator Gitz. Read t:e billy :r. Sectetary.

âCZIXG SECRZTAEIZ' (52.. PER:àNDES)

senatê Bill 1645.l

(sectetary reaGs titie of *ill)

3rd readiag of tàe bill.

PEZSIDISG OZFICZRZ (SCNATO: GAVICXIS)

Seaator Gitz.

SC%à'OR GITZZ'

'kank yoae :z. President aqd members of tke Senate.

Seaate Biil 1645 in its aaeadeâ forœ woqld iâcreasê the

privilege tax on àorse raciag by' a acNeduoe that is approxi-

aatezx tventz perceak. 2:e proceeds froa thls zct as o: tùis

year voalG be earœarke; to t:e Com*on SchooA Pua; vhic: is

frequeatly qse; for paying t'kiags like mandateë programsy

i k five percent to that fund and thirt r-fige percent tos = P-

t:e dental Reazth Fuad. #e tored vïtà amendïag eacà of the

scâeGqles &RG foqnd tâat to be very cqa:ersome an4 felt that

vould best be done by ruie. xov, tàis legislation is its

reforas woqid generate ia tNp neighborhood of tvelvq to fif-

teen miliion Gollars. I offer it for your consideration

because I think all of us ire sincerely interested in proviG-

ing some ne* reFenae initiatives that. Xopefully. are as

palnless as possible for t:e everyday---taxpayer.

PaZSIDING OPFICERZ (SZSàTOR SAVICKAS)

Is there aRJ Giscussion? Senator %eaver.

SZ:AIOR REAAER:

- :àI 26. 1982

Question of tâe sponsor.

PR:SIDING SFFIC:R: (SE<ATOE SAVICKAS)

He indicakês :e will yield.

SEXAROE %ZKëYE1

Genator' Gitze hov long Nas it been siace ge've raised

these.--fees?

PREGIDIXG OFFICC:Z (5;:àT0R SAVICKàG)

Seaator Gitz.

G'NAQOE GITZZ

Genator :eaver. Iêœ not axare of vhat yeyr gas, t:e last

increase in fees. I kaov tkat it' has not occurred in tàe

last foqr yearsi

PiCSI9ING O'FICCaI (S;XATOZ Sâ#ICKâ5)

Seaator Qeaver..

SCïâ'0R RZAVCEZ

I tàougàk. a fev years ago we parsed klnd of a coa/re-

kénstve schedale. and *7 only concern isy maybe wezre.o.gefre

going to lose .oaey in the long-run i'-.-if ve...I'? not

sayihg tàak itRs rigkt or wrongy I just xondered if you had

some inforaatioa as to hovulong it'd beea since ve ralsed k:e

privàlese tax, or vNat it Might.--v:ether ge staùd to vin or

iose. 'oa say ke4re going to posyibly gaia 'twelve million

Goilars. I think Senator Eocx had a bill not too long ago.

maybe Ne could teii ys xNat the scàedule vas tàen and ho?

#qch ve raised it tàen, an4 lhat tkls is golag 'to aaouat to.

PRZSIDIXG O'TICZ/Z (SSXATOR SATICKAS)

seaator Nc:illaa.

52:::0R lc'lLtlN: .

i l ise inàr-w presldvnt and members of the senate. I s mp r r

opposition ko the bill. It. ts a-.-a tax lncreasè an4 I Gongt

believe. even tNolg: ue---wm keard it in some detail ia---in

Revenqee tàere uere other ta2 increases t:at vere proposeie I

Gon't see anyzore justification for an iacrease' in this *ax

than--mtàaa anX otàersy aad 2 would oppose it.

- 5zT 26, 1982

PZCSIDIRG O'rICXR: (SZNATOE Sl7ICKàS)

SeRator Rock.

SS#âTOR DOCKZ

Tkank youe :r. Presi4ent an4 tadies and Gentlemen of t:e

Seaate. I rise ih oppositlon to Senate Bili 1645.. às Sena-

kor keaver rightly pointed out. ia 1979 tàen Senator Harris

anG zyself embarkeG. after aboqt an eighteen montN atudz by

the Legislative Investigating Commission. to totally

restructqre t*e V w of Iilinois as it applied to parimqtael

wagering ia korse racing, and tt's' the Horse Eace âct of

1975. I gaess is tàe eupàemiatic tera thak kâe raciag board

terœs 'it. ân; ge set qp a scâeiule of both ,rlgilege tax aad

takeouty tNe kakeoqt is to be equall; divi4ed betveen the

operators of tNe track an4 the Noraenan. ân4 tkat vas a

legi tixate atteempt to iacrease tàe Nandle for tàe State of

Iilinoàs anG tkus increase the tax revenue for tâe State of

Illànois. Ià fack. ik :as done that. ge g&1A receive by

virtue of parinutqel wagering somevkere in tNe neigàborhood

of seveaty-five to eigàty ailiion dollars this year and t:e

prospecta are eveh better for next, even in a deflated econ-.

olyk, Tkis àiad of taxe an; it's a twenty percent tax

iacrease. tkerez's no increase in tNe takeouke so ghatfs

happeninge ia e'fect. ls vhatever t:e a/ounty vhetàer it's

twelge ailiion or elgât zillïon as the :conopic an; 'iscal

Commission esti Mate. that eigât miliion is coxing directiy

from thevracing iniastry anG from k:e horseaan. ;nd yoq aad

I :0th knog tNat i; k:e purses are not as.higâ as they ought

to be or can bee. tNe korseman vill ai*pl; race elsewàere. :e

âaie a legitimate attempt. tkink. to-v.to stabaliie anG

eacoûrage tke gzogt: of tbat industry. 'his. for t:e amoant

of zoney involged. I suggesty is' not going to be of that slg-

aificant awount of help to botâ those vorthy caasesv edq-

cation an; Kenral Neal t:. Eight miliion dollars siaply is

hot .goinq to cover t:e shortfali as ve project it for.. this

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year aad aext.. But I suggest to youe it gill be--.have a

Gevastating effect on parimutuel vagering ia tkis Statew and

Tor that feaaon I oppoae it.

PFeSIDING O'PICEEZ (SZNATOR SàVICKàS)

Is tàere furkxer discussioa? If not. Geaakor Gitz maf

close.

S:NATOE GITZ:

:ell, :r. President and lembers of tNe Senate. fot a bill

tNat is suppose; to have a devastating effect 'on tNe inGas-

try. I fin; it remarkable that since its ëate of introdac-

tion. a date thate in âact. goes back to darc: 25th of this

'year. tàere kas not beeh a aingle phone calle a single

letier. a single coatact froa anyoae ia the zaçing ' iadqstry.'ov, tkis legiszatioa #as introduced to p?t into the

Kaiastream aaotàer idea. anG it cerkainly has :ad ampàe timee

if izdeed khere gere very deleterious effects. for tNose to

be voiceG. , lhere was. not a single vitness aqaiast tNis bill

in t:e Senate Revenuè Comxittee. 'owe it is true that eacà

raciag organiaation licensee is permitted uader the present

lau to retain qp to aboqt sixteen perceak of t:e daily

âaldle. T:ere is aotNiag tàat proAlbits in thls leglslation

them fron adjuating tàose ticlet saies. There4s nothing that

compels any citizea of t'àis State to go to tke race tracks,

tkAk is aa option''tkat they exercise. ân; I sabmit to you

tàat probably one of tâe reasons tàat tNis legislation :as

aot :ad an oqtpogrinq of negative support bas beeA tNe verl

fact t:at they are not t:at concerne; about it. I t:iak that

tkis legislatioa is wottàr of considerakion. I talked earl-

ier today vik: tàe Gogernor's floor representativee. he said

t:ey didn't seem Lto kave any partïcular prablea 11th tàe

legisAationy khey wete aeukrai on it. I khink thak it is

anot*er concept khat &a worthy of our coasi4eration. ànG at

a tlze vàen ve're asklng Stqte expioyees. and other people to

lerve vithout pa y for a certain naœber of dayse vhen we are

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adjastiag bqGgets and 1N.e fine print right down to khe priat-

iag ike 2s. I sqbuit to yoa that lt is not untogar; to con-

siier ways ve migltt be able to pat together another f our mi1-

H oa dollars or eigkt Kiilion Qollarse gNatever thak *ay bee

aad then certaïazre kf tà.is legkska *iJa was gofag to be

tokallz Gestrqctive of 1he racing inëastry as repreaeatedg I' ouitl aot comaead it to rou f or your consideration and 3rdv

reading becaqae simply the opposition Nas not been there.

'PRZSIDIX: Or#1CZ2z (SCNâTOE GATICKAS)

'àe question isy shall Senate 3ill 1645 pass. TNose in

fagor gill vote àye. Those oppose; Fote say. T:e voting is

open., Bave all votëtl who gfsâ? Have a1l voted vào gisà?

aaFe all vote; who gis: ' Take the record. On khat qqestiony

tâe zyes ar G >.18e. t:e ays are 33e 2 Voting Present.. senate

Bill .1645 Naviag faile:. to receiFe tNe coastitational major-

it; ïs declared lost. ar what purpose does senator Grotberg

arise?

SENATGE GROTB:/G:

A point of personal priviAegee :r. rresi4ent.

PRESIDIXG O##ICERz. (SdNàTDR'5l7ICKâG)

State your point.

SZXAQOR GQOIBXRGZ

8r. Presideat aa: lellov.memberse in the rear gallery on

t:e Replblican side is a càazmiag ia4ye lrs. Dorot:ea Green

af Ponttac. Iiliaoia. 'ost oï you have...remember :er best

in the aaay years.that s:e ran ra4io station @GS:...BoK in

Pontiace and for these ten years and nog dgiadling down to

t:e fact tkût I#* kusiag Liviagstou coqnty' in my nev dis-

txicke but she has' guided my legislativeo.-an; lmgislative

aid function ln t:e l.iFimgston coantz area for tea yearse and

I#m hohored tàat sùe vould come dopa and help aa wltà tàe

swan song oa tàis dist-ïut representatton. Dorothea Green.

PRZSIDING O##IcE2z (sCx&Tol 5z4IcKAs)

Would she stand ard be recognized. On khe Order of

Nû . 649 4;.

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Seaate Bills 3rd aeaiinge Senate 3i1l 1654. Senatol ScNaffer.

Read the bill, 8r. Secretary.

AC'I'G SECZZTARX: (42. 'CRAAXDZS) .

Senate 5i11 1654.

(Secretarr reada title of bill)

3r4 reading of t:e bill. .

PQESIDING O##lC:Rz (SEXâïOR 3â7ICKA5)

(dac:lne cut-offl..-scâaffer.

5:ïâTOR SC:àY22Qt ''

:2. Presi4ente it#s a siaple b&11 tâat sïaply expazds t:e .

Public âssistanc'e Emergency Revolviag fund to allog that fund

to be qsed to assist plbllc aid a//llcants la obtaiaingcopies of birt: certificates. Geath certificates, Marriage

license or otàêr sipilar docuaents that *ay facilltate the

' verificakion . oï eligibility for pqblic aid under the co4e..

Slaply Puk. le àape people khat are trying ko ge* . 12 that

probably are qqalified. bq* oûr requireéents require tNea to

come up *ità certain docu*entsy k:ey Goa't Nave *he money to

do it'. tàe department Goes not vant:'to be anGuly hazsk bat

to make sare t:ey.re policlng t:e srste. prop-t:ey also gaat' erlr. ànd I believe it's an appropriate use of thak fuad. .

P:ESIDI'G OTTZCERZ (SEAATOR S&VICKAS) ...

Is tNere fqrthez discqssion? If not. tNe gqestïon isy

skall . Senate 5ill 1654 pass. Thoae in favor vill Fote àye.

Tkoée oppoaed vote ïay. The voting i: opea. xave a11 voted' vNo vls:? Rave alI goted wbo gis:2 Take the record. On

kàat. questlone tàe âyes are 58.. t:e Nays are nonee aone

Voting Pregeat. Senate Bill 1654 Naving receiFed the con-

stitqtional majoriky is declare; passed. senate B&1l 1671.

Senàtor Gimws. Read tàe bill. 5r. Smcretary.

ACTING SZCRETAET: (MR. TCRNA:DES)671. iSenate Bill 1

. (Secretary reads title of bill)

3t; reading of the bill. .

i .i '

Q2 - dâI 26, 1982

PZ/SIDING 9#'IC22z (SCXATO:

Senator 5i2us. ,

SENATOR SIK:Sz. ..1

Thank you. :r. Presi4ent aa; Ladies an4 Gentleaen of t:e

Sehate. .' senate' Bill 1671 is a aerely bilo. it aerely does

several tâings- - The first thin: tt 4oese it amenGs the lct

o: ise represeniatioa and tdentizicatioa of state exployees

to .' iaclqde physicians to contract Mit: the Department of

Pqblic Healtâ and. persons %:o serve on advisor; boarday tàe

nepartmeat of Public aealthy Public Aid and Registration Edu-

caklon. âad ia additioaw lt iademaifies physiciais tàat are

eKployed by tke Depart*pnt of 'enkal Eealtà. ànd k:e last

portion o' it vhtcb gas aaenie; on. amends on a proviso. tbat

was placed on that ko assist ia the casà flow crisis of the

State of Illiaois xhic: has t:e poteatiality of addiag an

addikionai forty ko fiftr xillioa doloars. Rbat ik vould. do#

isy for the firat ten days of t:e œoath of July of tàe next

fiscal reare. tàose constitutlogal 'and State offlcers would be

anable ta .4zav. theiz paychecks and fiFe days for those State

employeea ia tàm corresponGiag perio4 .of tiae. àS 2 indi-

caked. tàis legislation is predicated on many facets dealing

Mit: khe wide tange of eœployee sitœations. Tâe merlts of

tNe biAi togard-..oï âelplng khe casà flog of the State of

Illinois basica l4r is predicated on kàe...tâe prepise t:at

wità tNe alendaents that vere ofdered by Senator carroll aad

on aaay of the appropriation billse wNatever. basically :as

been reiegated ko t:e empoöyees of t'Ne State of Iliinois that

t:ose in t*e Nigàeé up positions of the Sxecutive Gepartment

of governxeàt aa gell as the meabers of the Legislatqre

sâouli also Nelp ia the sacrificial contribqtion to the

fânancâal well-being in the State of Ilolaois. lad this

voald take effect Jaiy 1st. of 1982. so it îoui; be an

iamediate contribution oa t:e part of tbose elected offi-

cialse and I goal; move for tàe passage of Senate Bill 1671..

àAvlcx.Asl

- :zT 26e 1982

PRZSIDIXG O#PICERZ (S;XàR02 SAVICKAS)

àlrig:k. Qe Nave tbe following persona tàat bave soagh't

zecognition kerez Senator Saagmeistere collinse xally

Schuneman anG Senator zock.-.senator Saagmeister. O*y waitv

ve have t?o morey Keats and Bloo/. . Senator Sangmeister.

SENITOR SA:GNCISQCZ:

TNank you, :r. PresiGent. Baving been the co-sponsor of

the amendxent tàat *as place; on the bili Which seeKs to bave

caqsed soae coacern to a lot of people aboqk tNe fack tàat

they#re . going to have to give qp tea days or are going ko

àave to give up five dajs of tàeir pay. I vould Just liàe tooace again explain tàat. yop knov. tkis. patticalac amendment

or proposition is aot in concrete to begin viti. Itês an

alteraatàve, as I see ite to ghat Nas bemn proposed by the

c:aàrlaa ol t:e àppropriakion Committee for the senate. I

tkin: ik's a reasonable altprnative to it. ik shoqld be com-

pare; to it. Qe all knog.that thia bill if it passes and the

other appropriatioa bills vill be coming back in tàe way and

forx.of Cohference Co*œitteesy vàere it's ïust another viable

alternative kNak I tNink you ougàk to coasider. ?or tbose

people vho think tâat thia is a great sacriflce ali. I can

say to zou isv yoa aâoqli take a look back in ay legislatige

4iptrict as to' vkat we are doing ia tàe. prïvate sector in

orier ko exisk in these tiaes.. cne oat of fiFe peoplee an4

it's goiag on to one out of four peoplee don't even have a

Job ip kàe Joliet. azea aaymore. Tàe; voul; be aore. tbankappy to give qp five daysy aad maay of the. are qiving up as

maçk as a 4ay a week, g:ich v11l azount to fifty two

geeks---fifkz two days out of tNe year oat of iNeir eœploy-

ment just so that tàey can zliataia their elployMent. I'4on:t thiuk . that asking qs to give up ten days or t:e State

exploreee fïve dars is too much. Bat.. as I sary thla prop-

'' osition ia not in coacrete. it4sy xou know. everybody says

ve'ge got a fiscal criais. we've got a fiscao probleo tkat ve

û4 - :âï 26e 1982

ot to face ia tbe State of I13 A' nolsy an; I tbint eacN aad

eFezz oae of ar àas a resposxibility to look to t:at and

attemptzto solge it. This is wy hqlble approacN to ho# thia

problem . oaghk to bq solve4. If yoq don't think itfs a great

idea aad yoa doa't vaat to glve up tkis tiœey tâen go ahead

aqG vote it Gogae and I doatt saz tNat facetiously. xot

goiag' to hart az feeliags hog you go on this. But I want to

tell yoq: I think you Nave yoar responsibiiity as a legis-

lator. ;ou knol. some mem:ers of my party say.. as I said ko

Senator Carroile w:y you getting oqt in front anG kryihg to

solve t:q Governor's problems. I meane. it*s his probleas to

see tàat t:e State of Illtnois is fande4. %ell: Kaybe it ise

but I think ve share that responsibility as veli. I don't

.tkiak you caa sit àere an4 kaov..that the state is goiag. bank-

rupt an4 do absolqtely aotking to keep tNe State employees

voyking. I tNink they' hage to realize too khat gtving qp

Tive days 1or giviag up ten is not that auch to keep the

machlne ruaning. Tbis is a family problel. In4ustry is

solving lk azoag tàeïr e/ployeeav gàr shouzdaêt kàe pabzlc

seetor do, it as ?ell.. 3qt if yoq ionet like k:is program.

t:ea why don't youe instead of just speakihg agalnat ity come

lp an4 tell *ey what is yoar program to solge k:e problemz

PEZSIDIXG OTYICZRI. (SZXATOR SàTICKàG).

Senator Collins-'

SEXATO: coltllsz

Thank yoqe dr-.,presideat an4 lembers of tàe Senate.. I

tàiak tbat khen this amendmeat veht on yesterdaye tâat t:e

ia amendzent had tie opportunitysponsors an4 proponents of th

to have cast a. vote in *Ne affitpative so that tâey caa take

it. back home an4 pqt it oa their caapaign literaturee and

teài all t:e people hov charitable tàey vere and hov con-

ceraed tàey were. and tàey can say. look heree I*7e given up

part of mz salarre and hopefuolye thez will be saccesafully

reelected. . âaen. QogeFere tàls bill does aot J ast deal witA

: - :àT 26, 1982

tke State Legislatuze giviag qp park of t:eir salary. tt ise

in facte a Goable ghammy' on State employees of this state.

Tkete was a bill that paased thzough Nere w:àc: we cut tàeir

salaries aizeadr by five Gays--.tNeir incomee and ln this

aKenGmeatue it inclade4 tNea back again wbich sayse, the 'irst

veek of Jaly that t:ey vàll not get paid. Ik is true that

peaple târoegàout thls counkry are making sacrifices ànG I

tkink that is good aaG that we all should, in facte aake

sacriiices. Bqt I tàin: Ahe form of that sacrifice should be '

Toluntary on the part of those vho...particïpate. I Na/e '

chosen to sacrifice. anG I vmake those sacrificèa. zs I said '

yesterday. monk: of Jqne.-.tke laa*h -ùf dày àn4 June anG part

oî àpril. I a*. in facty pa ying my staff one thousand doloars

a. month out of my iegisla tive paye anG I., in fact. pay tgo

huaGre; ahG sixty 4oilars a montà out of my legislative payg -

aad 1. ia fact. pay approxiœateir t@o :aadred ànd fifty

dollazs a aontà for telephohe calls. stamps and eFerrtàing

else to go kitN it. Xoxy I feel that is a form of sacrifice

anG I'm viliiag to Kake that sacrificey but I tNinA tàïm is a

joke. an; thak tâis vas a aoble gesture and that ve sNould

give kt a aoble death vith flas:ing.-.fifty-nime flasàiag red

ligkta.

PXZSIDING O##ICf2z . (S:SZTOR SAVICSAS)

Senator Keats.

SSNATOR KzzTsz

1. vould Move tàe previoas question.

PAESIDI'G O'PICZR: (SCAATOR GAVICKAS) M

Senatory. if yoq'd âold that motioay. xe Nave the following

. people that Nave soqgNt recognitionz Sehator Eall.

ScNunezan. Geo-Karise dahar, Brûcee Buzbeee. Gitz and senator

Rock- , Senator HaAl.

SSNAIO/ aâiiz

Tkank youv dr.. Presiient and Iadies aad Gentlemen of the

Senate. #ïl1 the sponsor ràe2d Tor a qaestion? Senator

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simms. according to yoqr bili. that it says here. Mstate

employées-/ #ov, vho do yoq consider.Gtate employeesg anG

tell *ee vhat State emplo Fees aze you talkiag aboqt in yoqr

bill? I Keàny everyone that's in there. Not every name bût

I lean vâat-u.every category, Iêa talkiag about legislators

an; so 'ortà..

PRESIDIRG OZFICERZ (SZXATOR SIVICKAS)

Senator sipms. .

S:xàlol SI5:Gz

Tâe people that work for t:e Gtate of Illiloisv Senator.

PABSIDISG OFFICZRZ (SSIATOZ SâVICKZS)

Senator nall.

SZXIIQA :ALtZ

Relly I anderstood tàat Joa didn't have some.-.you didn.t'

Nave tNe secretary o: state in this bille I unQerstand yo=

diGn't have the judqes in this bill. Aren#t they Stake

exployeesz @:o...g:o all's in tàere? Is..-iet me ask you

kàlse is tàe secretéyz of State in the blll?

PRESIDING O'PICCRZ (SENATOR SAVICKAS)

Senator Simms.

3;XATDR SlMNsz

We1l. S#hator Ralle senator Sangweister dtafted tàe

amendaelt, maybe it uould be . better if yoq Girected yoqz

question to him. . 3qt it applies to ahyone that receives a

paycàeck frox tâe State of Illiaois aad lt's my understandiag

that tke. jqdiciao ara of State goverament does receive theiz

paychecà froa t:e state Treaaqrr.

PRZSIDIXG OFPICEZZ (SZNATOE SAVICKâS)

Senator 'Kalle do yoq laat to dizect your question to

senator saagaeistera'

jjSEXATOR ILLI

Zes. . ke1l.. .

2R25IDI:G Q'/ICESZ (S:N&'OQ SAVICKAS)

Seaator-..senator nali.

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'SEXàIOR HALL:

1.11 direct it to---because t:e nedia carrted last night

tNat there vas a flag tn that the Secretary of State vasn't

inclqded. Is-.ware they in there. Senakor Gangaeister?

PAESIDIXG D/FICER: (SZHATOR Sà4IC%à5).

seaakor sangmeister.

'SEXATOR GAXG/EISTERI

It's not tbey. senator Hallv it's Ne. 0ne in4lvidual vas

left oak'iaadFertenlir lhen drafted b! à:e Aeference Bareau.

1111 take the responsibility of not having it in therey. but

1:11 tetl Jou. I havea't even taiked to the Secretary of

State yet. One indivi4ual.-.bqt I'* sqre thak if I were to

speak to Jim Edgare. he'; be Kore. tàan Nappy to gige us âis

tep days, so.l woqldn't worry about tâe one in4lFiGqal that's

aot in there.

PAZSIDI'G OFPICCQZ (5X:àTOE SAVICNAS)

Senator aall.

SEXATOR HALIJ

gelle I doaêt know Nov yoq coae Nere aa4 set yoqrseof up

as a peison whoes going to go arouad aad talk to tàeone--.vhy Gid zou no* include bi2 vhen yoq include t*e

Jtkers? 'ove I'Fe been kere for oger sixteea years aad ve do

things boaorably aroan; âerev and. you knoge that I** kiad of

shocke; to tkink that you woulë coMe aloag at this late day

nowv--if--.if you are trying to eabarrass soRe Meabers of the

Zegislatare. if you#re trxiag...since zou're dolng wel2e

aiace you*re getting aloage nov then rou use the term of our

late. belove; Presiiente *âsk not-..tarn the aiàe on..-/lsk

hot vhat you Go for-.-coqntry caa ;og wNat can tbe State do

for you.* Bqt. uhy Gon't you do like he did? If yoq so vell

off. *hy don't yoq tarn yoqr entire salary over. tàat's Wàat

they dty. Nov e 1: vaat to tell you this: tkat what you need to

Go .is--..tFou kaov aad I knov and i.f you had read...iou' re an

attorueyy and you knov Article VI o; tNe Constitatioa g

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section 11 says.-*com pensation anâ Allouances. â œeœber of

the Legislature shall receive a saiary and ap allovance as

provided by lav. but changes ia the saiary o; a member shall

hot take efiect Gqring t:e terœ for uhlch kees beea elected.l

xowy you know that. /ov vhy are ;oa up here tryiag to add

aometking oae and who.e.gho are yoq mialeadingz Iou.e.yoq#re

an aktorney. znd...aad. zoa knoge it*a really a sad state of

affairs ghea you come along and Kere-..nouy I knol thût

ioœ're doing gelly I knog tkat you on œany Payrolls anG I

knog yoœ represent a 1ot of people. but tàe point is t:at

tNere's no need in tâe vorld for yoq coaing kere at tkis time

trying to embarrass a lot of people. and I'm telliag yoq:

it4s tlee for youy Gentleaea of the tegislature and Ladies,

to aàaad upy be counted. I:m vizling to bear any-..and Iem

williag to àelp aayone. aRd I:* willing to do what every

otkers, but there's ao Fay to do. #ov you. come aloag aad

tell me you left out one inGividual.

*RXSIDISG OT#ICER: (SZSATOR SAVICKIS)

#as tàat a qqestione Senator 1a112 Seaator Saagmeister.

we kave about a œinute left dn his tiae..

SZAATOR SANGK;ISTER;

@elle it cerkainlz 7as a question. xqmber onee I tried

to explaia to yoq tkat ' inadvertentlyy inadverteatlie tàe

Secretary of State vas left .out and that's one .aan. 5qt as

long as you asked the questione Senator Qall. about' what *y

other actigities aree and roû asked tNe other day vàen I vas

prxcticlng lage let le tell you soaekàlnge as #ou full; vellknowe ve are dogn àere-.-xe are not iova here in. Julye ge#re

lot dovn âere in Aaguste g:'re not dova :ere. in Septe/ber.

'we're not Govn here in octoberg maybe a coqple weeks ia

ïovembere le're not Qovn âere in Decembere we're noZ dokn

herev baalcallyy ia Janqary. It*s 'ebruary. 'acchy April aad

lay and June that le*re dovn hele. xov.. I don:t kaow what

Y@u do with tàe rest of you timee Iaybe you s1t in.tàe Eia-

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sisaippi. Riger anG tNrov a line in tke vater, I don't know

:og you spen; your time. 3ut I want to tell you one thiag.

àn .this coœatrz there ie plentz of opportanit; to do thingse

aad if you got 'any albitiony you doa't sik back in your

office v&tN your feet up on tàe desk. Toq go out aad xoœ do

soaethiagv you eara a 1&v'&ng. and you àave some pride for

yoqr family. If ybu Gon't vant ko do thate âonet criticize' other people wbo do.

PRESIDING OPPICE:Z (SESATOQ SAVICKAS)

Seaator Kahar-;

SZXATOE 'âHAEZ

Thank youe :ç. President and meœbers of tàe Senate. I

:aFe a questioa either ko the sponsor of the amend*eat. or the

sponzor of the bill. ând 1*2 coacerae; aàout some of oqr

State elployees. 'owy tâere' are maay areaa lkere the State

eaployee caa be off fo2 five Gays or caa go five Gays uitbout

pay: bqk Ieœ gonderlng aboqk, for exaaplee Joliet

Priaon.e-statesville Prison or oqr state Police. If t'Aeyêre

goiag to go five ëays githoqt paye do they 'àave to vork?

sqpposinglr ther :ecide-m-for exaœple. the prison people

iecidey looke weere n$k getting paid, ge.re not going ko be

at Skatesrille for iiFe---five days. Qhak are ge going to do

ih .that case? Is there an ansuer to thak?

'RESIDIXG OPTICCRZ (SZNATOR àà7ICKzS)

Senator Sangmeisier or Si/ms...sangleister.SZNATOR SAAGNEISTXRZ

zhe' hicest gay ko Nave strqcthred this bili woqld Nave

âeen to give everybody fi/e days off and I kno? tàat's ghat

they would like. 3qt for t:e very Ieason tkat you citedv ue

can't let all tàose eàployees'out o: statesville Penitentiary

or anlplace else an; t:en kave to hire people to come in and

replace tNem. Tkere's no money aaved ander that kind of a

program. So. t:e anàwer is. ike's five days uit: vork.

PRESIDIXG O'#ICZRZ (SZNATOR SAYICKAS)

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Senator 'aàar.

3ZNAeOE SAHARZ

geil, it's five days vith vorke bqt do tuey bave to

reportz can tNey be fired if they don.t report'' They:re

A#Sc:E empiozeese can ve fire them if tàez doa't report to

vorkz

PRESIDIIG OFPICERI (SENATOR SAVICKAS)

senator Sangzeister.

52xlIOR SàNG:EISTZQI

. I don't' tâiak xe can fire anybody kere. It's up ko tNe

people u:o EaFe controi of tNose employees as to vhat action

t:ey vould uant to take if tàey vouldn't shox up.

PRZSIDIXG OPPICCXZ (SZXATQR SAVICXAS)

k i seaator Gitz.senator Geo- ar s.

S:XATOR GITzI

Verx brieflye àr. Pzesident. I vas one of the; people 'ho

walke; t:e liae th# otber Gaye an4 one of tke tàing? khat

pèople said in response to tàat as state ewployees is4 xelle

hov . easr it is Tor yoa in the Leglslatqre to tell the state

employees of tNe State of Illinois that we shoul; àave only

a foar petceat increase. bqt vbere's the sacrifices tbat

zoq:ve beea aaking? ànd ve know that in this Body tàat

there's not been a general increase for legislatiFe coxpea-

satioaw 5ut at leaat this amendmeatg vhàch is ofiered by

Senator Sangaeistery does kake care of one simple qqandry aad. ) .

tkat is to take sometàlag kàat wm preseatly eajoy aad to

apply a staadard o' comparlaon tàat shoga ve are putting our

responsibility where oqr r:etoric has been. an4 wàere uaz

vokes have been for other people. like Senator gall. I'a hot

a practiciag attornezy I Gon't âave a side deal going that

gets extra income ïn tNe si4ey bqt I feel very certaia that

tâia is not sucà a monumeatal sacrifice t:at aaybody in Màis

Body is krql; going to :ave a real difficœlty in making their

bills or tàeir enda ueet bx siaply signing on board to oo

L. .

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Nat' ve are asu ng otNer peoplee. ia effect k.o Go as *ell.N y .

PRESIDING O'TICERZ (SEAATOE SAYQCIAS)

Senator Bloox.

Szxà2OR BLOO:Z '

Tàank youy Nz. zpresiâent. I rise ip support of this. âs

I said wâen it was debated.the otker dayy tâis has been pro-

d in otàer states. In Idaho t:eyzre trying to io it now,pose

an4 1...1 tkink tàat if ve're asklng otàers to tighten their '

belts. I thiak thit we ought to be ilghtenàng oqr oun. Iê4

qrge sqppoxt.

PRESIDING O'FICSRZ' (SZWATOR SAVICKAS)

Sehator Bqzbee.& '

52xAT0R BEZB::I. .

'kank yoq. hr. President. It's too ba4 ve didn't Nave

this biil khe first t:ing this œoraihg so we could hage

gotten . off to a good start as oppased to endiag up on a good

starté This is a---tâis is a baG idea. Iege gotteq the' naatr letters also fro. Skate employees saying. xoq ànogy i:

' ;o? .think the foar percent Pay increase is a goo; ideay lelle )'

Why doa't ;oa take a pa; cqt ioqrself. Rell, I inforRe; ihem

I dlda#'t tàink the four percent Pa; increase was a good idea

to start githe b?t I also informed the*...I sat up late Nere

in œy office one eveaing grlting some personal notes on the.' i

z' bottow of m# typed letters to khose who had been especiall;

nasty saying that-.-remiading tNea tNak. the General âaselbly. .

in facte had not had a pay increase ateali for târee years-,'

Q...I t*iak ia tNis tile of.--gfa..of tight fiscal zat&ezs 1.

that ik would not be too Kucà ko ask t%e Members oï tàe Gea- '

erai àssembly aad t:e elected officials of this. State to.kake

a farlouqN for a fev iays. I couoG live witâ t:ate I'a not

aure ay baaker tkat holds ay notea coql; live gith tàat. but

1' coald Ilge gità' that . for a fe* dazs. pethaps tea is a

little bi* too œach bat at least sowe. But I voul; point out

t/ tàe Body tàat as seaator C5l21as sàated earliere as it -

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affects state enployees, this is on top of tàe propose; only '

four percent increase in Jaauary tàat passed-.. has been. . '

passinq oqk of tàis Bodg in the appropriatioa bilis. . So. wye *' ''- * * e *' '' ' ' :

gqess is. that--.fizst of alle senatore your.-.yoqr bilA is

qncoRstitatioaal as it#S present-o-.yoar aaend*eni isy 2...1

believe. becaqse Senator Haii &s correct ia that roa. cannot '

reGuce t:e pay Guring--.dqring a meaber#s terz. aoxever. '

if.m-if xe vere to agree kâak ve loqld do tàat. tàereês soae-

Now or .otkety I voûl; imagihe. that we could coavince the

C o*ptroller 'to re4qce our ckecks for a feg days. But as it

afiects tàe Gtate emplorees. roq're no* goiqg to be ilposing

upon them an adGitional five ;ay vork vithout pay. on top-of

tàe pay inctease or the pax decrease--.tàe inrrease ia tNe

decrease-.-tâe Gecrease in *he lncreasee if yoq villy tkat is

yropose; for Januarz. Soe I...I k:ink tkis is a dolble

whaaxyv I think it's a bad iGea.. 2 kno? that it ?as con-

ceiFed in a good fashiony that yoq gere absolqtely sincere in

ziar efzort, to...to address t:e problem. I Gon.t think tsisis tàe proper vay to do it an4 I tNink it ought to die a fast

Geat:. ' '

PECSIDING OFTICERZ (SEXàTOR SàVICKAS)

senator Brqce. .i

5;AAT0R BRBCZZ

'hank youe 8r. President an4 members. of tàe SeRate. This

bill has a lot of good poiats and l iot of ba4 pointey but it

reminds me œbout an qglr bab; that ?as so agir tàat t:e

aother had to kie a Pork chop around ita neck so the dog ' '

voul4. lick it, thak's gàat this-.-that's g:at this b1ll is

all about. This bill Eas a coaple of varta öa it and then

senator Sangmeister has trie; to kang a pork chop aroend iks

aec: so t:at somebow ve:re alI going to fin4 out hov to getI

reezected ih t:e fall.. xoue Senator Sangmeistery 1...1...2

enjoy your coacept aXout vorkinq aR; aot qettiag paid.. Some

people would say tàat a lot of people aroqnd here are pai;

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bqt Pon#te vork 1at I thlnk t:ia is a ne? concept. 1: ge cah

do thàs for fige dayse w:y can't ve do it for 1en and Gouble

::e sagings? ;o. lek's---let's tNlnk aboœt tàat. If it's

legal to require aa employee to report for vork for five days

vithout paye why caa't we say that for ten daysy and if it's

legil for kea.. gày caa*t ge say it for twentye. aad if ites

leg>l for twenty: vâI not thirtyy aa4 i; itvs legal for a

month, v:y not tuelFe monthse an4 then ve ca> lave..-if I :ad

ly gold Gqst tvins Gogh here. report to me Nov mûc: xe bave ia

personal serFices. iacomme ye pould have saved tàe State of

IlliRois a lot of woaey. àa; I think tàat sàogs---nowe that

sNovs t:e pzoblem wit: thia. I had the staff last higNt

spend a 1ot of time goihg throug: olG 1ag cases. Tbey foand

out 'e case in the State of Illinois k:at says you canêt gor:

and uot... ;ou cannot be required to vork aad not be Pald.

'hat .'as vàen ge abolls:e; slavery ia the 13tàe l4tâ and 15::

Aaen4meuts. Ia k:e Land of Lincoin. I Joagt tbia: siace t:at

tiley in 1865, ge.ve recuired people to report for vork an;

aot paiG them. A lot àas been said aboqk private iniastrr

aM; the sacrifiçes œa4e and that the State of Illinols oqght

to take a look aa4 say. yes. to tNe Skate eœployeesy let's

wake khe same sacrifices lhey:re' Iakiag in inGqstzy. I tàink

.tkat ls a reasolable reqqest aaG ge oqgNt to Go that. àa4 I

thipk tàe State elployees would saye ve#re willing to talk

about sacrificese but those are all aegotiated. gaited âuto.1

gorkera gerea'k tol4 by Gelerai hotorsy or cNrysiecy or aay

of tNe other companies tàat haFe negotiated reiuctions in

salauies and iacreases in prodqctioa demands by jast..oby a

qnilateral fiak tNat sars:, fro. aoa on Iou:re qoing to vor:

fcr less; they negotiated those and they lazed off people-

There is not a priFate sector emploler or empioyee in the

'Stat'' or in tàe nation tàat àas negotiated contract. of xNicà

I aœ avare, that reqpires a korker to report and work anG àe

is aot paii for it. That wouà; violate. aa far as I knove

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State aa4 Federal 1àgs... under the yair gage anG Hoqr âct.

1n4 I doa't tkin: that anrone. and I vill stlnd :ere qntil '

aomeone.-.teports a contract in vhic:. people have been

zequired to gork tàa'A they have negotiated and not gottea

pai; for it.. I doa4t..-l t:ink that the poïat ?as *ade on

the otker sàdey ghat. xeatal Nealtà ezployee or prisoa guar;

is. going to report for lork when ke knovs he's nat goàng to

qet paidi Kov. tNat*s a toqgk . Job anyway. and i: yoqtre' qoiag to flre àïav-..does ke get fire; if Ne doesnek report?

Can he grieve t:e fi<iag? Is tâe judge going to sa'y becaqseyoq Gi4n't report on a day that yoq veren't going to get paid

that that's grounds'for dismissal? Vhat about Gatardays and

. 3undays ghea you.ra pot paid: you iida': report t*ose days

elt:er. 4nd soe I tNïn: tàat there*s a real probleœ.

ge#re...veere asking for a minor..-sacrifice from ourselgesv

aegen kaadre; and fifty dollars. anG ainety ceats as I men-

tioae; yeaterdaye an; Z...I still stan; as I ;id yesterday

an4 say' tNatês fine. If ge trqly uant.to make this b&Ql

aymbolic: if xe realAy tNiak tNat there nee4s to be an act by

tkis tegisiatœre aa a beacon to private iadustry and tNe

empioyees v:o gork for tNe state of Illiaoia that we vaat ko

Nave them vork an4 vdrk more pro4uctivelz an4 vork for less

payy thea let us get akout the Xusiness of creating that

synbol by reduciag oùr ovn salary by five days. Let as jqsk

4o. that. Let qs-..let aa 4o that ao? and say to t:e Skate

eaployeesy we NaFe eut xoqr salariesz we have reduced your

pay raise. ge bage taken of' your holidalse we have redaced

yoqr sick leave and ge vaht'to suffez git: yoq becauae ** all

àal/ aa ecoaoaic proble/'al; kàe tegislature aloney alone is

goiag to pass a biil that re4uces our pay for flve days, an4

tâat:goul; not be politlcal chicanery, t:at vould. not be soaeJNill that t:e press is goiag. to vrïtq about. that ls some-

5 tking that ve could go b:ck .to tNe state eaployees and go

back to ouc coaatitueats and qo back to all the people tàat

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ge t;y to' Neip in tàia skate anG saye looky we took a fige ;

day cut ia our paye and we:re asking yoq to do t*e same. âa4 i

lf thœA blll is before. tàis Body. I gi1l not oqly vote for

ity. 1. vill speak for it aaG co-sponsor ite bat tbis is not

gkat ve a2e aboqt. :e are abont Qoing soaethlng t:at is a

nqllitz. we aie doing something tbat vill no* zegnire any

State employee' to get less œoney. aad I tàiak that it-..it

does not serve this 3odx vell to Gebate this type of item.

'kank you.

P'ESIDING O'PICZZI (SEAITOR SAVICK:S)

Senator Rock. For.--fol what purpose does senator Rhoads

'arisez

SK@ITOR :aOZDSZ '

Poiat of' orGer. 5r. President. I goql; regqest that tàe

ti/er be turne; ony piease.

PEXSIDI'G OFPICCRI (S;XITOE SIVICKAG)

Xmse ge11# 1ek me jqst give yo? a timetable Nere. 'he

. tixer has rqn outy ue ha/en't Watcbe; it Ferl closeiy for the

members. but we have one more speaker befpre Sehator xeats'

*otion to mage tâe previous iuestion. ge have foar ot:erst:at soqgàt recognikion after that Kotion vas made and two

. others that soqgktyrecognition for the secon; tiae. Tàe last

persoa eào' soagât recoçnition before tàe xotion wa> made vas

Senator Aock. Senatoz Rock. .

SXXITOR ROCKZ.

Tâan: you. :r. PreslGent anG Ladies and Gentlewea of t:e

seaate. ' 1, too. ' as senator ôruce. rise in opposition to

éenate. :ill 1671 as aaeadidy and I agree vhole:eartedl; withMhat he said. I think ve are. in fact. beiag a little bit

kasty- ke are beinq staapede: vhen it truly is ûaaecesaary. .

It' is one tking. to suqgesk that tbe Skate Treasarz cannotf

afford legitiaatei; a proposed increase and so ve uili have

to . cat and delay that ipcrease gith khe hopes that xhen

tàings get hetter ve#l1 all get better. It's qqite another

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to ask existing eaplozees to kake this kini .of a cut. Ik ge. ' (gish to io ite I ax perfectly willing to do itv that#s soxe- I

t:inq else. . ghat we are Goiag by virtqe of...ot tKis amend- .'

meat, it seems to ?ee is settin: up oae beck ' of a class ;

actioa in tNe coqrk of clalaày anâ I aœ still practicing lawe

Senator Hall.

PZESIDI'G O'TICZRr. (SX:ATOA Sà#ICïâ5)

0n...on Senator Keaks' motion to Qoge tâe previous qaes-

tion, tâose in favor of aGopting t:e motionv signify by

safing àre. TNose opposed. Tke Ayes Nave it. 'he motion

carriesv , Senator Si*ms >ay close debate.

52:àTOR GI4B5: .

Than: youe :r. President aad tadies an4 Gentlemen of tàe

Seaate. I think if lost of zoa today have read The Chicago

'rlbuae. in t:e bqsiness section khere's a large storry it

said, *catprpillar Salarz 'reeze Iadefiafke-* So: kâia is.

not solethiag that's just coMe oqt of tNe air of the Illiaois

Senake. , It'says: lCke Caterpiliar Cowpanye t:e largeai pri-

Fate employer àa Illinois said 'uesda; ik is freezïng for an.

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indefinite period ox tiae tàe salaries of a1l xahagepent and

geekly salaried èxployees in t:e Qnited states an4 alroad.*

T:e paraphraae a little farther' dogn. mean/ààlè, txo other .

*idvest companies anaoqace salaried reiqctions beginnin# Jqae

lste 5un 'Electric corporatioa of crystal Lqke whicE is in

Seaator ScEaffer#s district. aaid it #ill cak ot:icers aal-

aries by ten percent ald tàe salaries of the. upper management

employees by eig:t percent ladeflnïtelz. Cambine zlectzlc '

coapany aanounced it will redqce' salaries for all salazie;

workers: i'nclaGlng officers. br' six perceak. 'reviaqslfy the.

company :ad.cuk officers: salaries frow fi/e to 1ea percezt.

ând it goes on to list some other large employezs tNat areI

doiag t:e saae tkiag. It saiG earlier t:is Koath the

caterpillar Coapaay said t:at &t gill layoff eight thoqsand

o' its sixty thousaad txo Nuadred vorkers on June 7t:. 'hat

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Mill briag tbe hqlber .of Caterpillar gorkers lai; off to

segenteen thoùaand five hundred. Soe t:ey#re doing it in

ipdustryw tadiea aad Gentlemea of kà# Senate. I tNink ge ia

t:e State of IlAiaois. àh the Illiaois leqislature aad k:e

constàkqtional officers can also endure soze of the eeononic

sqfferiag tkat otNet Gtate e/pioyees eviGently are going to

:ape to endure by some of k:e aaendaents tàat àave beea

placed on tâe' apptopriation process. I leave this decision

to you. Vote zour ovn conscience. I#* going tp vote ;es for

Seaate Bill 1671...1674.

PRZSIDING OZTIC:E: (S::**OR S&VICKàS)

2:e questiou is. sâall-.eàhail seaate B&1l 1671 pass.

'hose in favor will Fote Aye. Tâose opposed Fote xay. T:e

votïng ls opea. naye ail Foted #:o gisâ? Save 'all votpd wào

'gisbz zake the record. Dn that qaeskion. the àies are 20,

the Nays are 38: 1 Voting zresent. Senate Bili 1671 àa/iag

failed to receive a conatitqkioaal zajorlt; is ieclared losk.

Senator Simms: for vhat pqrpose do you arise?

5ZNz1QR Sli:sz

Postpone conslderation..

PRSSIDI'G QEPICZB: (SZIàTOR SâVICKAG)

Senator Simas seeks leave of t:e 3ody ko postpone con-

sideratioa. Is leave grantedi îeave ls granted. Senator...

PRESIDZK'Z

Senakor Ozingae for vhat.--caa I haFe the attentioa of

t:e meœbershlp. Senator Ozinga. for' vhat pqrpose do you

arise?

SExzTO2 OZIXGA:

I âave bee n asked by leadership to call a Repqblican

caqcus in t:e sinority ieaGer's offtce. It kill not last

œore than fifteen Ainutes I aa assared.

PRESIDENT:

Alrighty Seaator PNilipg do yoa waat to Kaàe tàat other

aaaouncement? àiright. let-.-just so eFerzbody qnderstaads

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vhat ' we*re---vhere ve4re goiagy I ulderstûn; t:at Seaator

zNilip *as tqqueste; a Republicaa caacqs iwmedàakely in :is

office for a gery short amount of time. 1681 vill not be

called tâis evening. :e ?i2l. vhen le returne. go to tâe

Order of Senate Bllls 2nd Reading Tor the last kime and tNea

go ko tâe recallsv and tâea. ve vili be fiaisNeë for the eve-

aing. Qetl. Me.-oseqator P:&1ip.,

SENATOR P%ItI?z

T:ank yoqy >r. Presidenà and Laiies a=G Geatlemen of tâe

senate. I#d like to aaàe t:e aanouncelent that t:e secretary

of State is àolding the lokker; for iour ter? of office in

aoo. 212 at six-tiirtr. so. I.'m assqsiag ve,zl still be ia

Session. everybody uill kuov their ter?s ao*etiœe after

slx.-e hirtz., .

PRM IDCNTZ

âlrigkt. Parsaant to request. there-.-request for a

Republican caqcus lmaediately ia seaator Philiy's office. the

Seaate vill stahG in recess aatil 1:e bour o' s&x o'clock.

Senator Carrolz.

SC#àTOR Cà:aottz

I gaa just going to ask.senator Pbilïp ghere you buy

tlckets for the lottery.

P'ESIDEXT:

Please stay loose. veRll be back àere at six o'clock-,

:ZCSSS

A'TIR adCSS:

PRESIDE:T:

Tàe hoqr ok six-tbirty kas arrivmG. âs ;oq kaove par-

suaat to khe lax tàat vaa signed by the Gofermor todayy t:e

Secretary of state is condacting a lottery to deteraine the

Senate terms of the mexbersy so I voaid saégest kàat we all

repa ir to Aoo/ 212. and t:ea ve#il co/e back up here imœedi-

ately after khe coastitutionAl lottqry.

RECESS

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àpTz: RZCXGS'

pgzslo:y'z

The senate gill please come to orGer. If I caa haYe t:e

attentiou of t:e aembershàp. :kile the hour is adxittedly

late for tàls earlz in tàe sessàon. ve are makiag an attempt

to assure tàe fact t:at ge vili. in fact. aGloura toœorrov

aa4 not rekurn uatil next Taesday. So. ve gill agaia go

througN ienate 3il1s on 2ad readilg. an; there

are...aaea4meats fileG git: *Ne Secretarz witb respect to six

billa on 3rd reaëing that have to be recalled. Tàere is

additionally. kNe noqae j ust sent us a blli lkicà is of aa

emergeacy aature ghic: Mq xill Nave ko finally approve on

Tuesday. but it's necessarr for us to ïove it.. So# if we caa

moge gitâ sole 4ispatche we sàoqld be finisâeG gitNiu tEe

koure if Me can xove wit: soae Gispatch. Seaator Carrolly

are' roa ready op dessag4s froa tàe Soqse? 'essages fro? +àe

aoase. :r. secretary.

AéTIXG szcazTâatz tï2.. FeaxzxDzs)â sessage froa tàe gouse :z dr. teonee. Clerk.

5r. PresiGent - I a* Girected to inform the senateJthat tbe House o: Representatiges :as passed a bill of . tàe

folloving kitle. ia the passage oî vbicâ I a* instructed ko

ask copcurrence of tNe seaatee to-witz

House Bi.n 2 115. passed t:e Housê :ay

26::. .e. 1.982. . àathony J. Leone. Clerk of tâe aouse.

PRZSIDENT:

seaat'or carroll..

SE#ATOR Câ:2DtL:

'kank yoq. RI- Prq'sideat anG Ladies and Gentielen of the

sehate. 'his bill is of so*ewàat an emergency aatqre ïa tàat

ik affects the ability o; the state to Deet its ohiiqations

to Pay certain. bonds. We 'xnlt appropriate the funds lithin

three legislatiFe days so as not *? àe in a Position of de-

zault. z goul: tâerefore Kove youe zr. presldentu that ge

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sqspend k:* appropriate zqles so tàat ve nay rea4 tke bill a

first tixe. bypass tbe coami tkee on zales. brpass aay sub-

stam tive comzittee and aGvaace the bi1l to 2nd githoat refer-

ence to committee.

PE:SQDZNTI

You*#* Neard t:e lotion as placed br Seqator Carroll. Is

tKere any discassion? If not. all in 'fagor signif; 5r saying

àyei All opposed. T5e lyes Nave it. 'âe motion carrïes.

It is so ordereG. . Kr. Secretirye. Ieaâ the bill a 'àlst time.

àCAI:G SZCRXTARTZ. (5:..P:Rxâ:D:S)

:5 qse BIAI 2115.

'lsecretary reads title of hill)

1sk reading of the bill.

PACSIDCNIZ'âlrighte. 2115 .&AI. pursuant to tkat Motioae be s:oxn oa

khe Order of 2nd ReaGing gitkoqt reference to colmittee on

the caleRdar toaorrov. On tNe 0r4er of senate :il1, 2nd

Rkadiag is Seaate Biil 1202. Senator Cheg. Read t:e b&11e

:r. Secretary.

ACTIXG 5:cR:'àRIz (:#. e:R?z;Dz3)

seaate Bikl 1202.

tsecretary reads title of :ill)

2aG reading of the bil1. Tàe bill Nas beea recollitte; to

Commiltee on Transportatioa an4 is reported back witâ tàe

recomaendatioa t:e bill Do Pass as zœeaded vik: âmendxeat No.

5..

PRESIDE/TZ

âlrigât. A pend/ent.--oa lzeaGleqt :o. 5. Senator Cheg.

S2:àTQ2 CHEUZ

:r. zresiGeaty I Woql; ask leavê to Table âleadaeat Ko.

5.

PRESIDEMM:

Senator cheg ëoves to Table comlittee AmenGxent :0. .5 on

Seaake B12l 12:2. Ang disc ussioà? If note all in favor sïg-

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qtf; by sayiag Aye.. All oppose4. Tàe àles kave 1t. T*e ' '

aleadaent ls TabieG. eqrtNer azeRdaents?

ICTI'G SZCXEIZRTI (d#.,fCR:A:DZ5) . .!

Amendaent :o. . 6 of fered by Senator Gaaqmelster.

PRZSIDCNTZ

Senator Sangaeister.. 1202 on 2ad readlng. 'elle ge hage

a problea: Senator Sahgmeister. because this azendaent is as .

amende; an; ve just 'abled coaœittee Amend/ent #o. 5. 5o. .

*e# 11 àape to try' to resort this otlt.. ' ' .

ICTING SCCZETARYI IKX..XZRXàXDES) '

lxendment No..... . .

PR:GID;X':

gait--.kait a aiaqte. Geuator Sangmeistex. .

5ExàTO2 SA:GKEISTERI

Does that- mean Ky amendment is nov out of ordere ls

tEatw--or it:s lot coxxect'

PEZSQDEXT:

Teahe--.kecknicallr. it doesa't jile aalkore. 9Ny Goa*t

geu.-why ioaet Me see vNat veRve got in front of as aa4 thea'

ba à t/ Joa: Senatoc Sangmelster..aaybe ve can get c

viti.-./ità respect to fuztàer amendaea ts. Senator

Saagmeister.

5E:àrOR SA#GNZISTSQ;

1...1 ion't vant to hol; qp the bill. gbat's goiag to

hap/en nov.. 1...1 Aave to . have that all redzaïtede is he '

goiag.--is Ne.-.is he got other ameBdœents or.e.aog

PAZSIDZX'I . )'' T:ere are...there are at least four or five here pending.

SEIâTU? SAXGKSQSQERZ '

veliy is be going to have to bave theu reGrafte; because '

tkey:ze .oat of orier noM that soxetbing Nas beeh TableG'

' P:zJ2D:x'z

'y qnderstandlag is tâat tàe next amendment is Senator

CNev's aaendlent lhich ville in facte fit vKat vas---ghat the

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.' proee4ure is âere. .

szxzToa sxxGazlsTzaz.

gell. g:y doeal't œy amenGmept fit; Relly alrig:t. go .

abead vith the otker ammndxents. Let ae take a look at it.

PRESIDENT:

Okay. âmenGment ëo. 6. Senator Chew.

B:'l2QR ca2gz

ident âaendaeat No. 6 strikes egerything afterK2. Pres e

the enactàng ciaase anG revrites t:e entize bill. znd this

'is the...12Q2 that. as tbe Secretaty stated. *as broaght Xack

out of comnittee vitâ the recozaendatioR Do Pasa.. ke Ta:led

pulber 5. vhick xaxes this an entire aeu bill: an4 it is t:e

truck xeight bilie the eiguty thoaaaa; pounds as we talked oR

yesterdaz khak ve have vorke4 gith.all . of the groqps that

vere conceraed-, :he Secretary of State's Qffice so akated

kkis aorniag: that kke cost of--.administratiag t:is--.of

a4aintstration is zeroe that tkere voql; be no additional

emeloyees necessary in oyder to adxidister A.meadment <o. 6.

It is not based on tàe veigàt dlakance tal. It às deslgned

for those tkat uae k1e *ig:vay ?&tN heaFy loads vill be those .

thak vili pay :or the asage. T:e teveaqe generated br this

axea4meat is at thlrty million 4ollars. Tbere's been soœe

long studles by the Tederal Governmenk, t*e 'eGezal 3ridge

'oraila. t:e Transporta tion study Commission. Secretary of

State's Officee Depaztœeat of Tranaporkatione the trqckers of

Illiaois.. tàe---every orgaaàzatioa or iaGustry' tNat àas àadsoœe intereat in proposing aa a4âttional veight on oqr Nigh-

vays Nave kaG participation. , I have a list of companies,

coamerce aa4 ia4ustry. I 4oaet xant to read tuis llst. but it

g oeà on aa; on as in kotal suppott of this aaeadment tàat I

.ov aak t:e senate to adopt. I goul; ansxer any qqestionsI

that I cane aad if there aIe no questions. I aove its adop-

tiba.

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Senator Càe*chas moved t:e adoptiou af âaeadmeRt Ko. 6 to

Senate Bili 1202. âaz disc qssion? Seuator Blooa.

SZKATOR 5LOOKz .

Tàaa: Iou. 1r. PresiGeât.. Caa ve sea a copy ok this ge/?

It àas aot beea distributed aa4 our stûff tells Ie tkat oqr

spokeaaan aA4 staff Eaven't . got a copy of this. I Baat a

copy.

PRZSIDZXTZ

'Nat request ia in order. Leté.-let t:e Gentle*an

receive a copzp will you. Caa ve get a Page up âere to take

a copy over to Senator Bl oome please- âlrlgàte there are

foqr or five others vào visà to adGress this...l'li---senator

Bloome we:ll give yoa ti/e to take a loc '. Seaator Eaitlani.

SZNIQOR SAITLAMDZ

Thank youe ïr. Presàient. à qaeakiou of tàe aponsor.

PRESIDEXQZ

Indicates be. vill yielde Senator daitland. Can ve stop

tàe confereacese please. Senatoz 'aitland.

S2ïl'0E 'ZITLâND;

3enator Cheve I NaTe two or three qqestionz Ie4 like ko

ask of yoa. eirst of aily coqld you walx qs throug: tXe

xecEaaisa.n=o; for trqcks tbat are 2ot doœicile :4 Illinois?

%hat..-uNates tbe proce4ure Rseâ for reporting tàeir ailes in

Illiaoisz

PRZSIDEXTZ .

Senator Chegi

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SE:âTOE CECE: .

âs ik is nole tlucks do not--.lilinois truckers do not' report mileage otuer than vhat hasbbeen *andàte; by the eei- '

ekal . Governmeat. oat-of-atate tzucks uill pay on a œileage . '

i to Illinoia. , 'baae tâak come n

P:ESID;<'Z

All righte senator C*eg.. tàere..-there àas been a rèquest

that copies of tkis axend*eat be distributed. Ia ord,r to

fàcilitate that to get fift y-niae copies of tNis' leagtk;

amendaeRte.ve are going to àaFe to take it out of tâe recor; - .-.

for t:e moweat. I uaderskand. . xot yet. All rig:t. take .

this one out of khe recor; an4 let's get copies of âzendmiat

xo. . 6 run off and ëistrisuteG. so that everyàody is appriaed

ta. khat's going oa. I wi1l assume nok tàat this other stack

ok axendmenks have all---plready been distributed. Iesy

Senator Chel. . .

SXXW QR CE2% I ' '

I understaad fro. t:e Ciair tàe otâer Gay that qaless

kàese awendœeats vere requested--.ao? ve àave abouk Egentr

copies. '

P'CSIDEX'Z

n .mI just indlcated that ther are reqqested. '

SZRATOR CZZVI ' i

Dkayk I

PRQSIDZATZ

#s a reqqest frol Senator Xhoads, fro* Senator Gitz. 1Xhere

. fro/ Senator Netscâe Trom Senator Sangmeistere fTom senator

Bloo.. fro? Seaator Geo-Kariyy an1 so Aet's get tàea diatrib-

ute4. .

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S::âTOR' CNz7z

xo probleœ.

P:BSIDZXTI

âll rigNt.. à1l righte on tNe Order.of Senate Bills 2nd

R Ging Senate Biii 1350. .' Sànat'or Taylor Goes not gis: toea e

call 1k. 1:92. Seaator Marovitz. v:ead tbe b1l1, 'Mr. secre-

t4ry.,

ICTING SECRZTARKZ (8R. FER:AFDZS)

Senate :ili 1492.,


2a: rea4ipg of tàe bill. 'âe Coaaittee on Insarancee Penv

sfoas aad Ilcensed âctïvitïes offersgone aaeadaeat. Tàls

l àa; a r' eguest for a fiscal aote and àas beeq anavered.bil ...

Coxmittee on Insuzaacewe..

ZQdSIDZNTZ

Okar. Coaxittee àmend*eat #o. 1e Senator 'arovitz.

SZXATO: 'AROVITZI,

'oxe to adopt c'owmittee zmea4aent xo. 1 to Senate 5ill

1:92.

PRISIDEXTZ

Senator darovitz moves to t:e adoption of coamittee

Aaeadment No. .1 to Senate Biil 1492. àny disc assion? If

aoty alA in fagor sigaify by saying lre-., A1l opposed. Tàe

Ares have it. tàe amend/ent is adopted. Fqrther aaeadments?

âCTI#G. SECRETARYI (HE..PERNANDZS)

go fqrtNer co/nlttee axendmeata.

PZCSIDENTZ

Any alendmeata froœ tbe'eloor;

ACTING SZCRZTâaYZ tdR.. #ER:â#9CS)

Ameadaent xo. 2 ofïeze; by Seaator daroFitz.

P:CSIDEXTZ

Senator Nazovitz.

SE:ATOZ MAROVITZZ

Tàank you very *uchy X2. President and Ladies and

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. . Genklelen of t:e smnate. àmendmeat xo.,2 to seaate :ili 1492 '' Mas. t:e aleaiaeat tbat vas requested bz tNe Illiaois Deatal

Society and prepared by the Illiaois Deatal Society. It I

is--eit is khe axendaeat v:ic: takes dental teckniciaaa out . '

of the pqrviev of this bill because of the small aaount of

i G limite; scope tNat is qsed in ''those aachines.radiat on an a

. tkeredorev ve take them'. out of the bill. They aze...tàe

.'. deatal assistaa: is also---off tâe boar; and replaced lïtA a .

registered nqrse. 'his ansver is the---tàe request of tàe .

' Rqrses àssociatione and tâat basically' is làat àxendmen: Ko. '

2 Goes. . It. also adës three classes as to the-..vhen an .

iaspection zeport œust be fiied. Tàiv just cpdifies uhat is

presenkly ia pabllc Neazth a2d necleaz safeties rulea and .

regs.. so tkat.--class â voqld be inspected evex; târee years.

that goqld be t:e Gentiats. Class Tgoe every t%o years, aaG .

all pNysictaas and kospitals ia class T:ree ghic: are

iaspecte; aanually aad that is as is beàag done right aov by

the. Gepartoent and by public health. aa; I would as: for t:e

aëoption of Genat: Bill-e.àlendœenk Ko. 2 to Genate Bill 1:92

vhicb is tâe Dental Societr and tàe nurses amendment.

PRZSIDZXTZ '

All rrighky senator .Gitz has Kove; t:e aGoption of Aâend- '

ment' No. 2 to senate Biil 1492. Aar discqssion? Sehator

oziaga.. .

SZNATOR OZINGAZ

sr..-:r. PresiGent-.-chalrœan. I have received a copy of

Ehe fiscal aote. Hogever. I don't vaat to deldy k:e proceed-

ingsy thele are. ao' copies. I 'âave -tuo copiese I Nave &ot a

copy of eachy the second anâ third amendmenty but I koul;

like tNe Wor; of tàe spoasor of tNis bill tbat Ne qeka tNe

copies around at least so xe have the? and tomorrog when veIcan vote on t:ia dara thing. 'here are ao copies ih tNe

àands af t:e rest of tàe xembers.

PRISIDZNT; ,

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Ifge giyea a copy o: k:e a*endmeat to Seaator Ozinga I

prior to tke.w.amen4neat coxàng up.. I gave copl es of tàe

ampndaents to the spokesman on the coaaittee prior to tàis

coling up. àmendaents are being printed right aoge v1ll be

Gistribute; to a li khe œembers vitkin--.just a fev lknutes.' PRZSIDeXTI .

eurthek Giscussion? Senator Schqneaan.

SZHITOR SCEONZ/àXI ' '

â question of tâe spopaore 5r. President. ' '

PRZSIDZXTI ' '

Iadicates he gill yield, Senator Sc:unemaa.

SX:ATOE SCZBXESâX:

I'* hot certain Bhat you sal; about t:e sapport or non-

sqpport ok t:e xqrs4s âssociation. could you--.coul; yoq

tell 'ae vuetuer or not they.re ln sapport o: this blal aov as

aaended.

PQZSIDEXT: ' .

Geaator 'arovitz.

szxAToR :AaovI'Zz

. rea. tàey are. 'âey asked to be a4ded to t:e b oard. an4

t:ey Nave been adde; to tNe boar; ah; that satisfied kkeir

blem.PrD

PRZSIDEXT;

âny fqrtàer dlscqsslon? If 'not: Senator 'aroFitz

*o/es-owmoves tXe adoption of â/eniment Xo. Q io Senate BiAl

1k92. All in favor sigaify bz sayiag Aye. âll opposed. The

Ayes have it. The amendment is adopte;. further a*endnents?

ACTING SZCRETARYI (K2. EERNANSES)

âmendnezt :0.,3 offere; by Senator Harovitz.

PQESIDEXTI

Senator 'arovikz.

Tage 228 - 5lT 26, 1982 .

' ident and Ladies an4Thaak zoa vezy aaeà. :r. Pres

Geatlemen o: t:e senate. . âwendmelt xo.,3 is tâe amendmeat

prepare; by tàe Department od Nuclear Safety. Tàis just

ckanges soae langqage as to.-as to the feee it doesn't change

tàe fee schedule lhatsoevei... It also saia tbat.-.we tooà t*e'

l l 3 aa; C ih Sectloa 8.9 out'of.--oœk ol tNe pre-C asses ,

gipgs aaendzent an4 put it into tàis amendment and saya that .

t:e sche4ule wili .be.--gill be Geteraihe; by the iepartment. .

T:e scàedule' is to be three; tvo and one aa in tâis amend- ''

xenty and I 'voul; ask for the adoptioa of â/endment :o. 3e

prepare; by t:e departmente to Senate Bill 1*92.

PREGIDENTZ

Senator 'azovitz àas moved tàe aGoption of Amendmenk Nq.

3'.to Senate Bill 1492. àRy discqssion? If not. a1l in fa/or

- signify by saying àie-, 1ll opposed. The âies have it.. 1he

ameadmenk is. aGopted. further ameadments?'

AW I'G SXCRCIPARYZ' ('R. #2R'à:DCS) '

5o further aaendmeaks.. .

PRESIDEHTZ . '

3rd readiag. à11 rigKtg if I cah Nave yoqr atteltiony

thàs is tàe llst of recailz tàat.w-t:ak t:e Secretarz *as

provided to khe chair wkere amend/ents àave bemn ï, lled. They

arez Seaate Bills 1272...1272. 1299. 1522. 1606. 1632 and

1651. 1613. tàe Secletary tells me there is no azendment .

pendiag. Ia that-e-three-o-thoae six biiiae I Inderstande

are t:e onlx ones remalniag an4 tkea 1202.. àll rigàt. Sena-

kor coffey does not vis: to recali senate 3111 1272. On ,1522. senator Carroll. on the OrGer of Senate Bills 3r;

aeaGingy tNe top of page 6. Senator Carroll seeks leave of

the Body to return 1522 to the Ordqr of 2nd Beadiag for pur-

poqes of an anendment. Is leaFe granted? leaTe is granted.

oa t:e order of Seaate Bizls 2ad Reading. senate Bili 1522. ,

:r. Secretarr. . ,

'CTIXG SECRZTAZII (:X. PERNAX9ZS)

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1522. zme'a4ment :o. 1 offered by Senator Carroil.

Genatoz Carroll. '

SZXATOR C'XEOLLI. ' :

T:an: you. xr. Preslueut à.n4 Lauies and Gentteoen of +se

Senate. ls many of you *ay be avare. ve haFe hbeen atteKpking

to kol4 cost .coatainxent hearings witN tbe medicai progiderse

waial; t:: Hospital àssociatione in an attempt tp progide a

realistic solution ko bokN t:e financial anG healtâ needs

crisis tàe State is 'acing 'fot eiscal Tear 1983. ghiie t:ose

Giscqssions Nave been going on for qœite sometiae, they àave '

not .as yet led to a resolve. whic: of coqrsee those gâo àave

Gealt 'in tke area anâerstan; that we are about a aonth and a

fev days auay from normaliy resolving those. types of issues..

I- T:e intent.of tNiS bill at tNe reqqest. basicallye of bok:

sides ls to àale a Feàicle potentïallz avallable tâat coulde

ia facte. be qsed as sabstantlke langaage sàould a agreemeat

of. cost con'taiaaent be reackable by mexbers of k:e Genepal

àssembly. Nopefqlly. aad also members of t:e yrovi4er groups

an4 tàe Departœent o; tâe Pubiàc âiG. This ameadment is an

ittempt ko make sare tâat at least. it vi2Q still be a vehi-

it' voal; provi4. tiak. during the fi:teen day spellclev andof illness'lixitatioh t:at sNoql; that every become lal, then

actuat costs vould have to be pald. I voul; Iove adoption of

Aœendaent :o..1y so tNat we can thea Move tN: bili on and get

it'over to the aoqse.

PRZSIDZNTZ. '

All rigNt. Senator Carroll :as moFed tâe adoptioa of

âmendment No. 1 to Sen:te 5111 1522., àny dlacussionz ' If

- aoEy a21 la faFor slgnidy .bx sa ring âxe. zil opposed. T*e

lyes' kave it. The amendaenk is adopted. Fqrther ameailents?

ACZING SZCREZARXI (:a.. TZENKIDES)

'o fqrtâer aaendœents.

PRESIDENTZ

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3r;' reading. senator lruce on tàe Floor? Senator

Totten? : oxay. Turn to page 3 on' the Caleniar. On the

orGer of Seaate Bilos 3r; Readinge Senate Bill 1299.. Senator

Tottea ald Dalson aeek leave of the Bod; to retqrn kbat biAl

to the OrdeT of 2nd Eeadiag for purposes of an axeniment. Is

leave granted? Leave is granted. 0n t:e Order of seaate

Bills 2a; Aeading. Senate Bill 1299, lr. secretary.

âCTIXG SSCAXTARTZ (5:. 'ZRXàXDYS)

âmenGment :0..2 offered bz Senators-..iotten. Dauson and

Bloox.

'RZSID:*TZ

Sehator Totten..

SZ:ATO: 'PTTZNZ'Nank yoq. :r. Presideat and tadi:s an4 Gentleaea of the

Senate. I voqld like leage to 'able Coamittee àmendment :o.

1. ,

PQZSIDENTI

â1l rigNt. Senator Totten Naving voted on t:e prevaillng

siGe noves tp reconsider t:e Fote b; vbic: âœendment No.

'vas adopted. ânx discussion? If noty all ia favor signify br

saxing Aye. AQl op#osed. T:e âyes àave it. 2âe vote is

reconsidere4. Genator Tottenmog aoves to Table Committee

Aaendmenk ïo., to Senate Bill 1299.. âny discqssion? If

aoty a11 ia fagor signlfl br saiing Aye. âll opposed. eàe

Ayea haFe it. Aaendment No. 1 is Tabled. Purther amend-

ments. 'r. Secretaryz

àCTING S'CRZT KRIz. (5R. ''QNAXDEG)

àaeadxenk :0..2 offered by Senators Totten. Davson and

BlooK.

PRZSIDZXTI.

Senator Totten.

SK:ATO/ TDTTZNI

Thank roqe dr. Presideat and Ladies and Gentlenen o; the

senate. senate Amendment xo. 2 to senate Bill 1299 ls the

k$ V $'$ .tvk

j e -.. :âI 26, 1982

: :or napsoay andfasàian in gàith tâe S#onsors. Q#Se1 . Sena

Senator Bloom voql; like to preseat t*e bili to the Body. It 1eacompasses a lot of the dicc qssions that were Nei; ih tNe

coœaitteey àhe subco/zittee and discusaions vith interested

' parties on tNe btll. I believe everybody :as a copy. and an

aaalrsis of the. awendaent. 1: (1 be kappy to aasver any qqes-

tiona on the ameadmeat.. I moFe its adoptioa.

P:ESQDZH Z . .. . .

senator Tokten :as aoved t*e adoption of âxendamat xo. 2 .

to Senate Bill 1299. Any Giacussioa? If aote alo in favor

signifr by sazing Aze. Allvopposed. 1he Ayes kave it. Q:e

ameaiuent is adopted. Parther amenimenks?âCTING .SZCRZTâZY: t'Q. FEXXAXDYS) ';

Ro' further aaendaents.

PAESIDCA'I .

3rG reading. seaator Bruce on 1606. On t:e Order of

Senate Billa 3rd âeadinge at'the top of page 7 is Senate Bill

1606. Senator sruce seeks leave o' tàe 3ody to return that ''

bill to. the OrGer of 2nd zeading of purposes of an aœendmenk. .

ùIs leave graaked? Leave is. graateG. . Oh *âe rder oï Sznate

Billa 2nG Readinge senate :iil 16Q6. 'r..qsecretary.

ACTI%G SK ZD AZI : l5R. . PE2Xà%D:5)

laendment :0.,2 offered by senator Bruce.

PRESIDE:TI .:

Senator Brace. .'

szxzeoa Banczz. .

Qkaak roae, :r. Vpesident an; Keabers of t:e Senate. T:is '

iz an amendaent to the Bnexploylent Insnrance àct' which

relates to' compliance vith t:e Q/aikqs Budget Eeconciliation

âct of 1981. That ellainated t:e trigger on extended bene-

fïts for eaployees in the state of Iliinoisy, and we uill âave

to put àn a aew krigger period. onder t:e rurrent lavy a

'state extendeG beneiit Perio: occurzed when t:e rate of--.of

insuzed uneœployment gas four perceht foI a tbirteen veek

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*oving.period.aln adGition/ the---optibn coqid' vaiFe t:e àun-,. .

i

Gred an4 tventr percent regnireœenty vbic: is the average

rate ' for tNe corresponiing thirteen éeeks and affer extende;

beaefitsz. às you-.-zemeabete individqals are ehtitle; to

tvehty-six Meeks o; anemployment comp. 'key can àave tNe

extepded beaefits of tàirteen veeks. Qe ao lo'nger ha/e the

'

hational . triggere this vould' imjlement the State trigger.

. This changes tbat trigger to effective for k:e veeks begin- '

aing after september 25. 1982. to a five percent plasy a

kqnGre; and tueatr Tercent for the ' Ahirteea veek perào; in '

the preceding t*o caleniar years. Ia additioae in other

words: ve firat àage tke triggerin'g 'o: tke unemployment

compensa tion extende4 benefit period.--in addition. the Omni- .

bqs BaGget âeconciiiatloa âct limited t:e indiwidaals' com-

bined qaemployment iasaraace benefits a'nd tra4e adjustment

aliowances ko a xaxixu, ol fifty-tvo veeks. àl1 rigàt. Sena-

tor DeAngelis gives Qe the signal that I tàiak eFerything

is---la running aiong vell. If ve dop't pass thisy. it'a '

gaiag to cost us four hqndred and ninety lillioa doliars in '

State behefitae a hundre; aa; thirty-tàree million dollazs of

'ederal funds. If we pass tàise vé#re going ko cqtoef of

unemployœent. beaefits abont fiftm-eigNt Nandre; and tvelve

people. whicN viii r*duce the cost to the eaplorers on the

State of Illiaois significaatly.. It tbaghena up kNe requile-

wents for t:e exteaded beaetkt period. Qhaak. you.

PRZSIDEXTZ

Any Gisculsion? Senakor 3ruce àad àove; the aGoption of

Amea4ment No. 2 to senate Bikl 1606. senator Keats.

S:Nâ:0R KZATSZ .

lkaak 'you. ar- prestdent. zvea tkoug: tkls 4&d aot go

throqg: the Sênate LaXor aad Conmerce Coœmitteee it is

' a...agreement witàin the Governory the bqsiness coxlanity.

labor. I woqld say to >; zepablicans' it sounGs controver-#

sial bat it isn*t realiyy itls federal. compliance. aad I

. '

jW . i%

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mean. veere. sort of stuck.xttà it. zt.s not tàat :ad oz a

:ill. ,

PREGIDXXI:

Al1 right. Seaator Brace àas moved the adopkion of

âxeaizent xo. 2 to Senate Bill 1606. Purtber discassion? 1:

uote a21 in fagor aigai'y by sa yiaq Age. â1i opposed. . ràe

Azes have it. The aaenGaent is adopted. Further axendmentsz

ACTING SRCE:TARKI (:2.,F:RxA:DR5)

No fqrther a/endaents.

PRZGI9E#II .

3rd reading. Page 7 oa tàe Calendar: on tàe Order of

Senate Bills. 3rd Eeadilg is Senate Bili 1632. 'Senator Tayior

speàs leave of t:e Body to rekarm that bill to' tNe crder of

2n; zeading for 'urposes of aa amendmeat.. Is leave qranted?

Leave ia gzanteG. , On t:e order of Senate Bilis 2n4 Readinge

Senate 5411..,1632, :r. Secretarr.

ACTING S ZCRETàRI: léR..'ZRNâXD25)

àmead*ent .:o-.4o--Amenizent :o. . 5 offered 51 Senator

Taylor.

PECSIDZRTZ

Smnator Taylor.

SEAATOR 1àTL0Ez,

Thank you. dr. Presideat aad aembezs of the Senate.

Thereês been muc: discassion on the aaeadaent that I've tried

to place oa 1632 in order to get it Aato tNe liking ENat Iost

momhers of t:l's Body goqld llkè it to be. I Nave AGjqsted

this biil to try to aeek a1I objections. aad I thimk at this

poiat ia time. it does Jqst tNat. It Geletes evmrytàing

after tâe.-atàe eaacting clause. It eiixipates tâe culrent

.bo4rd thirty Gays after the effective 'date of tNis àct and

proviGes means for , the appointaent of seven nex aexbers.

Increased the nupbers needed for a quorua frou three to four..

2t proFides tkat no commissioner of tàe C:â may recetge anz

rompensation or other things of valae directly or iaGirecly

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froa tàe organlzation or basiaess en tities that transact. any

b qsiaess kik: tNe authority. I Kove for khe adoption of

àmendment No..5 to Seaake Bill 1632.

#//SIDSWTJ

All righty. Senator Taylor :as aoFed tNe adoptiop of

AmenGment :0..5 to senate Bill 1632'. àay' Giscassiolz Gena-

tor Joyce.

'SZNATOa J;RE:IAR JO'cE:

Tkank youg Kr.. President anG meibers o' tke Senate. ke

a're nov at kàe, ehat ge call. tâe fall-back position. zad

'doa't mean to make lighk of tàis. and I don't thiak

it's...aa4 1...1 4on't wean to joke aboqk it. I àave been

trging to figure out vàat tâese aweadzents are about Aad vhat

tNey. do to tNe people iiviag in pqblic àousing aa4 vhat they

do to tke taxpayers in tNe Ciky of Càlcago. Nov senator

Taylor àaa sought f1t *0 fasàlon tàls as an. anti-layne ayrne

propoeition: and that my.e-the basis of my opposition is

solely becàuse I oppose Jayae Byrne''s adainistzation. Let ïe

tell yoq what I think àas Nappened aud ghat this aeans. and I

vi1l leave it up to you to Gecide t:e merits of tàis. 1he

first..-tNe flrst amendaent that ge-..that we Nad before us

transferred these povers to tàe cit; councile iacludiag

povers to convey aa4 povers of emiaeat domain. lkat vas

Gefeatedu Rhen we Giscusse; tNat aaendzent.. Senator 'aylor:

told use if yoa're intereated in good pablic Nouaing in

Chicago yoa shouo; aupport this. . Seaakor Savickaa got up and

saiG, excqse me. iiGa't sarw intllated'e àï zou doae.t want

public houslng iu zoqr varde yoq sàould. sapport tâls.. 1nd

Kr. :ccabe v:o represents Jayne 3yrne Gogn here geat around

aAd toië people that you xade a big .mistakey yoq. Giin't sup-

port tâaty now roa#ze going to get pqblic housiag in zoqr

ward an4 I know. you 4on*k vant pâblic. housing in your warGg

that %as 4ay one. Day two.. ye get the-wege get the aaendnent

froa Senator Taylor thaf provides that' gq put two ?ev aembers

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- 5àI 26. 1982 .

on the chicago Hoqsing àqtioritl, not a gord about wàat is

going to àappea to t:e present five' âenbersy nothiag in t:e

amendmeat about vhat ïs qolnq to àappea to the càaïrzaa. znd . .

nov we---and vê defeated thak. and nov we have before us tNe

fallvback positioae and 1*11 tell vhat the fall-back position '

is and wàat I tàink pro*pts it. Qe are no@ goiag to replace .

tâe wEoie boazd. And the reaaon ve have to replace tâe whole

bo4rd is because thete are at least t?o and possibly three

members on that *oazd. hr. #ashy :t.. Eohiason and possibly '

:I. 'ianey wko cannot be coatrolled' by dayor Byrae. 5oy if

'r. Svibel steps off. ve might have too aucN dezscracy oa. the

CSà..'So thia is What khis is about, as near as I can figure. '

'Aere is still aotàing in Nere khat sayse :r. Suibel viil not

servm. tkere is not:ing in bere. tkat assqres he vi1l . uot be

reappoiake4. Bat t:e bottox liae is. tàis. wày is this àerez .

r #:y is this being placed ln front of as. an; w%y are ge being

tol; to occupr our time vit: this vkea t:ey aag . no problem

vità 'r-zsiloa getting off tNe Park District Board, aaG cer-

tainly-.wdertainlr. :r. swibel is as gilling or aore so to

accomzodate tke mayor : than dr. Gimoa. froa my knovledge of

tbat. . So I ask we-..that ge defeat thise aad.-.sgeeve kaken

up enoug: timee defeat iti.-it isn'k good governaent.

P/ZSIDZNTZ

Purther Giscassion? senator RhoaGs.. Senator Grotberg.

SENAeo9 GRGTBZRGI

Ouir to reaffirm the Trevioqs ligqre. 1: it iooks bady

anG it smells bade an; it tastes bad. it's Pzokably bad.

PRZSIDZ:'I

zurther diac ussion? senator negnan.

SINA'OR DZGNANZ.

Qqestion.

PEZSIDESTZ

Indicates--.spoasor in âicates he viil yiêid. Senator

negnan.

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- :àI 26y 19821. .

. wz . '

' 'szxlToa n:GxAxz ' '

' ghat's 1Ne effectige Gate of the bill nol' .

PRESIDEN'Z J

Senator Taylor..

âCV XXXSOEZSZNà

Izzediateày.

P:ZSIDCKTZ

Senator Degnan. , ' '' 5:xAT0R Dzcxàxz

. 1s' khat Jul; 12 . '

senator Taylor.

SZNATOR TâfLO2z

Thirty days after be effective date ia tàis âct. all

members should be reappainteG.

PEM IDZNTZ

' Senator Degnan.

S'NIIOE DXGXâX:

Tbat's August 1st. 9ho appoints?'

PRESIDZXT:

Senator Taylor. .

SESATOR TàIî0Rz

It wonld also âa#e to be signe; b; the Governor.

PEESIDEXQ:

Senator Taylor. ph---ail right. Senator Degnan.';

szxàrroR nEGNà::

Are we assured that :r. sgibel xi1l Rot coze back as a

b of k:e seven nember board?*ex er

PECSIDEK'Z

Senator Taylor. .

SZXâIO2 TAIQDEZ

It said appo int s vea neg meabers.. 5ew xembers.

PESSIDEWTZ

Senatol Degaan.

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SZN'àTOZ nEGIANZ

I have no fartNer questions.

PRESIDE:TI

I vas avare of kNaty Senator: #or the first tizee

tàe noqse Nas Gait before Me iid. Further dïscussion? Sena-

tor Xeghoase.

GZXATOR ''C:HOOS:Z

Thank youg :r.. Preaideàt. Aa...as everyone knogs kâis is

a Fery seasitive lssue wit: sole of qs from chicago vità a

great Geal of concera about vhat happens wità that authority.

br Flrtue pf tâe fact lhat tt :as beea a pretty terrlble

operation over tNe. past tgeqty yeacse anG ve:re not sure tt's

going to get that nach better. I gondex lf the sponsor goul;

yield to a qqestion?

PRZSIDZX'Z

ïes:

Indlcates he 112* yieide Senat/r ïeyâoase.

SZ:ATOR NC/:OUSZ:

Do you take tNe laaguage of tbis bill to Kean that it is

iapossible to reappoint khose persons Vho are Tresently on

the boarG?

ZR:SIDENTI

senakor Tàylor.

SXNAQOR TAZLOEI

Iesy I Go.

PRZSIDZNTZ

Seaakor levàoqse.

SCNATOR XZ:SOGSEI

' Rhich œeans tàat dr- .Robinson aà4 'r. xash giil be out'.

and' :r. Finaey will bè oat, is t:at correct?

ZRESIDEXT:

Senator Taylor..

SZXATOR TAYLOEI

If.tàer appoiat seven xev mexberse I suppose it woul; be

correct that evefyone goqli be out..

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- :AT 26e 1982 '

SEXATOR NE9 :OB52z ' .. : '

Can yoq-.-l'm * little Puzzled becaqse ve âave been

sirpng chaaàions of boye rule ia chicagoy aa4 ve now have anopportunity :or -# hoae rule unlt. to 4o anytàing it vants to -

Go vitkln the law. 1...1*. cqrioqs as to why we gant t:e '

C anqe. ' '

PRZSIDENQZ

seaako: Taylor.

SYXACOR PAXZORZ ' i

Kr. Presiient and mezbers o: tNe Senatey I Nage 4id

everytàing in ly power to try to convey the aessage to tàe

meabers. of thls Bodr. I Nave puk different azendaents ia

jqst to passify so/e individqals here. ân4 I*ve felt that

putting ik in.-win t:is direction. thak I voul; be able to

get my aœeadmeat onto the blllv so. tàat I coqld have the bill

la t:e forx tkat I kant it i2. It doesn#t mean that the bill

ls going.ko passe altâoagà I hope it goqld. I goqld like to

gek Ahe axeadment adopted.

Sehator gewNoqse.

SZ#ATO R #E/SO ;SEI

I.m.I vander if yoa'd ansgez the qaestion though. Seaa-

tor- , ghat is t:e purpose of the expaasioa?'l .PZXSIDES'Z

senator Taylor. '

tj . 'SSNATQR 'TAIZ Rz!I

Beca ase 'mac: of tàe-..tàe knovledge kNat I gained Jroœ

reading tâe negspaper kxat HnD ganteG a nex operatioa t:ere

?as tNe first step. They wanted a1l board aeabers rexovede

that vas the firsk order of busioessy and then they cbaaged

it. of a later date. and I saide weiiv if I'> going to move' aayone. I lill œove all of tkeœ. And that is tàe purpose of

Pûge 239 - Kzï 26e 1982

me briag it in at tkis timey because of tàe confqsioa that we .'

kadz--tàe coaflict that ge kaFe v&k: HVD.

PQXSIDXNIZ

All rigNt. eurtNer iiscussion? Sehator Xewhouse.

'52Nà'OR NX::DZSZ:

I'a...I'* sorry.. I...f doz#t-.-l don'k quite under-

stan4-..l vasn't clear w:at yoq gere saylng. S>nator. kere

zou asaying that RBD :as demaaded that the entire board be

elàxiaated?

PZZSIDCXIZ '

Senator Tarlor.

SQS&TOR IAILORZ

In t:e first articla khak I reaGy tàey 'di; dezaad tàat

all members be remoFed.

PAESIDENT:

Senator 'evhoqse.

SCXâTOR :X/RSBSEI

âre--.are yoq basing your conclusiohs on al1 tàis on a

aewspaper storr: Seaator?

PR/GIDZX'Z

Senator 'a#lor.

SENATOR TâïL0Rz

I have not talked lità anyone froK EBD.

P/ZSIDENT;

Senator Nevhoqae.

SXNATOE :ZZgOQSZZ

Senatory :o# coqld ;ou cozfora to gà/t SBD reqqested

vttsouk uavkng sowe conversatlon vit: tse Hcn ofziclalsa

PRSSIDXXTI

Senator Tarlor.

S2NàTO2 'ARLORZ

There gere persoas on my staff t:at Na4 conversation gith

RUD' peoplee Rot 1.

FRESIDZNTZ

%0 - :zY 26y 1982

senator xegNouse.

52::20: N2@a0nSE:7

%bqld roq share with us Mhat. it vas tkat :ED gantedz

?RESIDEx;z

Senator Taylor.

SZNA'OE 'AYLOR;

I cannot give yoq all the inforœation at t:is poink ia

tim'e. I do not àave it àere before xe gàat :;: vanted.

PRZSZDZ%'Z

Seaator 'New.kouse.

SCNAZOR :E?E0052z

kell. Senator from vbak oe manx o' us read. wbat Hud

really aske; for vas. tNe elininakion ol the present

ckairperson. Isn.t that correctz

PRBSIDENX:

Senator Tayior.

SEKATOE TâIL02z

'àere vas a certain article tâat I read.

PRZSIDZXT:

lli righte Senatore roar tize has almost expired. Sena-

tor xeghoase.

S'szToz x29:o7S2z

Rell. tNe poink beïag t:is :r. Chairlan-.-:r-president

a>d senatorsy we have a No/e rale umit whicà has alvays held

very clnuo to the Noœe ruie priaciplea. Qe have aa orgaaiza-

tion that's been set ap unGëz t:e Gtatœtes alreadr. 1or us to

have to come to battle everrtime tNere is a requested change

aiong the liaee it juat doesn:t aake any sense. Either we

have set up an opefatio. that is gorkable or it isn't. ghen

tàere was a vish for t:e resignation of the chairaaa of

anot:er si/ilar opmrationy ik *as very simpie. there vas a

request made for the resigaationy that request was koaored.

I see no difference in tàat pperation kàaa in tàls one. And

I#me franklye puzzled as to Mhz weere ell/iaatlag a board

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lâich has tgo. persons oa tNerey at least: g:o reaily vaht to

do a Job :or tàe chicago' Roqsing kqthoritye an; I would cer-

taihly like to see thel Eaving been appointed perxitted to Go

that Job. It lust seems to xe a little insane for us to have

to act to..-to increase a boqr; for ao reason that anyone

can..wcaa discern..-ko eolainake a board for no reasoa t:at

:as beea explaiaed to tkis Body. Ik seews to be an exercise

in somet:iag other . than vhat tkis Body oag:t to be Gealing

wità. .

PRcslDexlz

Paztker discussion? Senator R:oads.

SZXATOR REOADS:

:r. President. I Wonâer lf I migàt aake a saggestion to

tNe sponsor. Some: of qs on this sàde of the aisle tkink thak

you might be aoving in t:e right directione an4 yoa ;i; meet

one of t:e aajoç objections. Inasauch as 'tke..wit's

segen-thirty aad t:e amendment has not been distributeG. an4

there is a queation ralsed by Senator 'evàouse on a'. com-

plete.--turaover of the nev meœberse voqld it be possi:le for

yoq. to. Gistribute t:e amehdment. and since the bill :as

alrea4y been read a thiri. timev ge could--.we coul; discuss

tàis-.-again tomorrog on a call back..

PRZSIDZgT:

Senator Taylor.

SENATOR TAYLORZ

dr. , Presldeat, Gqe to tàe fact that the lateaeaa of the

Aoar and t:e discussion that senator ahoais ma4e. it migNt be

better.t:at ve moFe it back to 3rd aad pqt it on the recall

for toaomrov. if.thatvs possible. couid I Nave leave?

pazsloaxez

All risat- xltudra. Axendment :o- s and i: there are no

furtàer anendneats at thàs time, the :ill will be returne; to

t:e order of 3r4 aeading-, I understaad the axendment :as nov

:een Qistributed on Seaate BilQ 1202. kitA leave of the

Pagq 2q2 > :zI 26e 1982

Bodzy ve#ll go ko the Order of senate Bills 24G Eeaiing for

Senate B&ll 1202. :r. secretary.. d'

ACTING SCCZCTAEYZ (5X. FER'â5DE3)

xuAber 6'offered by Seàator chev.

2REsIDEN:z

Anen4ment #o. 6. Senator CNeky tNe Pre/ioas amend*ent

kaving been 'abled.

5ZMATO# CHZQZ

Thank yoqv ;r. President. TAe aoendnent àas Xeen dls-

tributed to eac: xember. anG I can take questions: or I woql;

ask for its adoption.

PREGIDXMTZ

âl1 right, senqtor Chev .has KoveG tàe adoption of àzenG-

aenk #o. : to Senate Bil1 1202: ânr dlscussion; Senator

Gitz.

SZXATOZ GITZ:

A question of t:e sponsor. 'Seaator...

ZRESID:NTZ

Sponsor indicates âe vill yieldy Senator Gikz.

SE:ATOR GITZ:

. . -senator chev. I see in section 13â that a tax is

' kereby impose; at a rate of 2.2 cents per gaiion above tàe

rate establisked ia'sectioa 2. I interpret that to be that

ve are taxing ali'gehicles gho use Giesel fuele. iacludiagy

presq/aliy. Giesei autoaobAles aad Fer; s/aio dieeei tracks.

kkat &# the purpbse, since tàe; are obviously not the ones

that are going to be creating tâe damage. of àaging tâat ia

the azeaGment? I do ha/e folloowup questions.

PZZSIDQNG O#TICERZ (SEXATOR SâVQCKASI

Senator Câeg.

SZNATD/ cHzlz.

Seaator, tâak is. if zou read it righte it is for aiA

comaercial vehicies: an auto4obiie is not a commercial veài-

cle. ànyt:ing tNat :aa tvelve passengers or ïore-..-passenqer .

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aeats or coaœercial vehiclesy and in for-.-commerclal veài-

cies goqid have t:e tax on t:e diesel fael. Hogever, the

Depaztlenk of Revenue..-thatês a law wàt: the DepartRent of

Revenue now on the deal..-on the faei---Giesel fuel for tNe I

taxeay and thez can âaintaia their receimtse even those

tveiFe-pazsenger Faas. and be refande; the taxes on

those-.-on tbat 'fael- '

PRZSIDING O'FICEZ: (SENâTOE SAFICSAS)

seaakor: Gitz. '

SflàzoR GITZZ .

1. follow your poiat on co*mercial Fehicles, apparently

aottiacluilng. diesel aukomobiles.. bqt what is. the pqrpose of .

a 2.2 ceak per gallon ta x on diesel 'ael to begin vitb? I

lean: it-.-tt seems, to Ke that this is being ievied in aIi

' vehiclese Aad what we really aIe trring to do is arrive at a -

szstea lâerein raisiag tâe velghk liœitse tâe oaus falls on

those ?:o are reaily respoasibie fo* daaage. And you knov

an4 I kno? tàat there are vans an; other vekicles khat fall '

. vitàin khat, co/aercial category tâat cleariz are going to be

qskinq. as qqestiols likey ghy ;id you give as an additional

tax increaae MNen we're not associate; xith tàe ueigh limit2 '

PRZSIDING O'#ICER: . (SENA'OR Sâ7ICKâ3)

. senator chex..

sïgzTon cHzkz

Seaators tNe àeavier the Aoade the aore fueA you consume.

' TNe taxesuoa the Giezel fuel *:11 generate approxi*ately 2.6

miiiioa dollars. The fartNel you traveo ia Illlnoia. kàe

aore fqel tàat*s consumed by the 4iesel-using truckers.

âgaine that's a creation of revenuee whicN you'll flnd ia the

final analyaia that weere generatiag tàirt; aiilion doilars '

includiag t:e taxes on the diesel fqel. às yoa probably

kaowe ve *re lo# on taxes aoxe one o.f tbe lovest states in

t:e unioa vith diesel fuel taxe as it &s. ke ale--.:ad

Joaference after conference vith the asers of the ïuely aRG

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i#.gas uaaniaouslz agreed tkat tNey would pay tkat cost. The

truckerz.-.the users themselges. are not oblecting to t:at

cost at all. ::e Farioqs organizations tàat's supportive' of

1202 aa amended are not objecting to that cost.

PRXSIDIXG OT'ICE:Z (SCNATOQ SAVICKAS)

sehakor Gitz.

SZNàTOE GITZZ

Seqator Chewy one of tke reasons tNis Aegislatioa is

before the Legisiatqre is the fact that there is reasonable

coarera that the re4eral Goverament will act fok use and ve

gili' not get t:e benefits of tkis legislatioa anlesa ve ack

nog. àn4 yet I notice tkat the ef'ectlve Gate of khis is t:e

Geferzed e'fectlve date ofe I beAie'Fez Jœly 1e. 1983. is khat

correct?

PRESIDIXG o#eICZ2z (SENATOR SIVICXâS)

Senator cheg.

S:SâTOR cEE@z

The reasoa for tàe legislation. senator/'is that ve are

o:e of tàe tkree states that Go not have aa eight.y tbousaad' It is krue tiat the federalpoand Statue on our books.

Government is going to mandate these remaining states for the

eighty t:ousanâ poqnds becaqse we aIe losing coamerce by

virtue of tàe fact tbat that eighty tàoqsand poundw or any-thiag, passed seveaty-three to eigàtze Kust so aroun; tàe

state or take tàe chance on being caught anG paying a fine.

:@ are like a t:amb setting out in an ocean without tNe

l@gislation to aliow .the com/erce to come throu'g: t:is State.

geege vorkeG oa this for t:e Past four zears. No* that is

t:e firsk part oï yoar questiony vhat vas yoqr' seeond. part?

PRZSIDCXT:

Senator Gitz.

51#àTOR GITZI

9ell, ar questloa ise tàat lt seeas to me that tàere's

soaetxlag aske, here wàen ye :ave a years deferred effectlve

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Gate. If ue CaR do tNis iq Jqly 1. then presa/ably. We don't

àave to do this rigàt avar aow., I do àave one last questione! . '

'r.. Speaker-.-'r. Presiieat. beiore I speak.iir#ctl; to tâe

bill. seaator càevy I aa lookiag tàrougâ tàe a/end *ent an;

khe analysis o' ite. does tàis iacrease thê veight distance

tax above the original provialons in yoqr first amendzenke.or---are ge at khe same levels ge gere talàing about Previ-

oqsly? ' ' '

PR:SQDING OFFICZ:: (SZNATOR SàVICKAS)

Seaator Chegw''

SB%â'O2 cHz/z

senatorw at apy change ln aar lage. the ad/inistering

agent :as to Nave sulficient time for notlfication.getting

the operational proce4ures in orier. That is tNe aasver to

k:e effective Gate. '%e amendment thak vas Tabled. we vere

at tàat poin: aboqt tgentr-smken *illion dollars. 9e are nov

at thirt; .milllon dollars. so àt haa been an increase of

tbree million. dollars. '

PZESIDIXG OPYICZZZ (SEXâTOZ SAVICKAS) '

t GitzSeaa or .

Szxàzoz GlTzz . '.

Thank yoq. for t:e explanation. I kruly :ope that every-

one ia the Asaeably g1ll loo: carefaliy at this auendment.

An4 I a. certaia that the Roaorable Chairman :as spent a con-

aiieraàle azouat oi time. oa tNiee I kaov Senator Cofïer Nas.

I believe ge're gettiag closer to a reasonable and acceptable

b1l1, but I thiuk theke are sole shortcomings still within

this legislation. I vould like. to see qs acte but, I Nope we

do'not.act precipitoualyy aad I guestiony guite franklyy tàe

fact thak ve are p/esupablr going ko put an amendwenk on to

preelpt the Federal Governzent from doing something for uayI

and. yetè it's not goiag to have an effeutive date of a year.

â4d yese I*a still'avare of the i*plementation problemse. but

I doa't think tlat tkat's going to solle our probiea vith tàe

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leGezai Governkent. &nd I reaily thilk that àmendxent Ka 6

&# aa impkovewent'ovvr gNat ve SaM in committeee but 2:2 not

sure it kotally gets ::e job âoae.

PRZSIDIXG O'TICEEZ (SENATOR SA7IC:AS)

Senator %edza-'

SC#ATOR ':DZAZ

'halk yoq. :r. President and Iadies and Gentlemen of the

Senate-, I rise in sqpport of kâe bill if for no otker buk

because of tàe great many âoarse at aot onlr t:e iotor Veài-

. cle La* colmission an4 the varioqs other state agencies that

vere instrumeatal .àn pqtting this bill togethery aRd .1 zust

lav tàe-..the ckairman of kàe Transportation comœitnee an4

the Kiaority Spokesman on tàe 'raasportatioa. co/*ittee :or

t:e alount of vork t:at t:ey have done. Qe don''t... aay

tiaes Me--.ge come ia wit: all tzpes of legislatlone we dcaët

claim any of ik to Ye a panaceav bqcaqse if ue were df tng

tâatg ge#d probably Put ourselves oqt of business because

every lag..aevery bill that Me xoqld pass that goal; become

effective into the lave *ouiG probably be tNe oniy bill that

velâ' passeâ. If we are going. to àave some of tbese coxmis-

sions 4o 'a creditable jobe I tàin: that ve---it behoove*s

tàis 5odz to at least pay' attentioa to aa; ackaouledge the

loçk that tàey hage doae and try to at least take a step in

the-..right Girection iA acceptiag tàls amendment.

PRESInING OfPICE/Z (SENATOR SAYICKAS)

senator Kaitland.

SCXATDR 'AITLAXDZ

Thank you. :r. President. I agree vitN previoas spea-ers

that tàis blll is bettel tâan the one tàat ve addressed

yesterday. I Go hdFe some....a folloo-qp qqestion on èseaator

Gitzes qaestion vith respect to---to t:e differentiai tax.

Seaator chewe whato.ovhat is tàe aecàanism that we shal: use

for refunding.. aa4 that's tà# gay it's going to Nave to bey a

refqhd to noncoœmercial diesel Fehiclesz

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PAZSIDI'G O'TICZZZ . (SEXàTOZ SAVICKâSI'

Senator chev.

S2:lTG2 C:z:z

geliy a*l oae has to do is to maiatain the receipts an4

appiy for it and tke Department of aevenue xill refand it.

SogeFer. tâere's been a. comparisone Senator, aade aud we just

recentlr got tNe report back. ke get. into a passenger---have

a' little attentione sr..presi4ente please. :r. President/

can we have a little attentione pleaae.

PZZSIDIXG OPYICEEI. (SCNATOA SIYICKIS)

Toq#ve got my attenkion.

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T:e GriFer of a diesel automoblle coapared Ao tâe GriFer

of a gasoline Griven automobile Nas been brought to an eight

4ol1ar Gifference per year at fifteen khoqsand Miles per year

driven, lnst a mere eigàt dollars. I kave a gas consuming

aqtomobile. yoœ have a diesel consuainq aqtoaokile.. ue bot:

irive fifteen tâoqsand mïles annualiyy tâe cost to ;oœ in

taxes on yoqr fuel vouiG be eigàt dollazs different than ghat

it' voul; be now.. 5ak ia t:e meantiae, my ovnlng a gas

copsuming aatoaobiley I woql; PaJ far more taxes on my gaso-

line than yoâ would on your diesei fuel. aaG yety yoa woulG.

be eligible for an eigkt Gollar refund, I voald be eiigible

'or nokkiag.. So i: &s so minor vàen ik coœes to a dàesel

autoaobilee but even at that rakey tbè nepartaent of Revenqe

killg ia fact. refun; Jou yoqr taxes if you will present

receipts.

PRZSIDING OFEICERZ (SEAATOQ SATICKAS)

Senator Baitland.

SZNàTOE NAITLàNDZ

Okayw secopd question has to do gith.--vit: t:e local

option.. Are...are a2l aaits of local governaent mandated

into the bill nov aad by proper resolation àave to.. to depart

froa.tàatz

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PRESIDIXG OZPICERZ (SZRATOE SàVICXAS)

Senator C:eg.

SZNATOQ Cgz/z .:

Yesy. Sir. âll uni ts of local goverameat where these

uaits vili operakee by the waye vill evea get a five percenk

portion of. tke.vwgeaerateë revenqe local government. -

PRESIDING O'TICCRZ (SEWATQR SAVICIàS)

senator Kaitland.

SZXATOR KAITLANDZ

rinai question. 'esterday khe legislation that vas

before asy. 1' thoug:t. Giscrilinated rather draskically

against tzacks that were Gomicilq to Illiaois. This .oae

tendsy I beileve: ko give t:ea a liktle special breaky espe-

cially beiogz the--ouNat is it-v.sàxtr-five. tàoa-

sanGew-sirt y-tàree tkoqsand pounds. %e are alloging tkose

' trucks aa aiiitional t*o khoqsaad poœais per tanGem alle for

no extra ckargee anG I#Q wondering if tàere vas aar coasider-

ation to perNaps raising those...tNoae...tkose fqes just a

iittle bit. T:e iatent beingg of coarae. to generate a

little *ore reveaue.

PEZSIDI4G OFPICERZ (SZAATOR GKTICKAG)

Senator câev.

SERATOS C:Z9z'

It#s aot a special prigilege. senatore but tàe fact is

that thiq aaeaGaeat ia not basm; oa a weigàt distance Eax. so

consegueatoi: it's onlr belng paà; by the actuaz users. ke

vouldn#t lant to tax aomeone w:o actually ;i; not ase tàe'

privilege in vhic: âzendment #o. 6 does, ih 'act; grant.

:e.-.those trucks'tkat are opetating ia Illinoià Rov that do

aot expect to. purcâase a Z plakee an; ge onl; àave one plate

iavolved on tNe registratioa for the users. vill not be

paying aA; cost other than the tax on the diesel fuel in

v:irh it will be asing thates pqrc:ased in Illiaois. Soy

ites not a speciai privilege. tt's juet a breakdova of costs

zage 2%9 - :AX 26y 1932 '

to n'nt, to penalize those tàat are :ot.--users.

, PEZSIDIXG OrFICSRZ, (SEXATOR sâvICKAs)

. senator 'aitland. '' ' j

SZ#ATOZ dAITLâ#DZ

Reile. tàaak yoq.. Ftnal pointe Seaator Chegy you are

still permitting tkose truckse althougk. not iacreasing .

. their.-etbe cost of tNeir licenaese to.-.to.--toe..to baul

. ' more per axle and so. t:eoretically. thev 4o more damaqe to X' ; - -* '''' - .

L the hlgâvaxs. '

PRCSIDIXG OFPICEQZ (SXAATQZ Sâ7IC%â5) .S t0T Coffei. ' ' 'eDA

SCXATOA CDAFCZI. '

:' as. . :r. . Presideat ahd meabers of tâe senate. I rise in ' .

'avo of laendment xo. 6e. an4 voui; like to poknt oak that

Amentlaent :o. 6 vas not sometbing that just ca*e up over-

nigàu. Itês a amendment..-a proposal that ve'Fe been vorking .

oa oger a period o; Kontàs. àa4 inFolved in that pro-

posal..-or tkat amendment u*ich is k:e bill. at tkis time:

%As tbe Iliinais Bepartment of Trahsportatiole tNe Secxetary

on S tate's Offiçe. t:e 'axpayers Federatione tNe railroadse

t:e Gtake police. tàe àg contractors. 'i4xest frqcking. I1lï- '

' nols Truckiag, Illiaois AGe county of superintendeat of high-

vays.. Illinois Para Bureaue anG t:e Tqblice as ge12 as t:e

prevss. Sov I think thls bill has been aited for Many months .

to .tzy ko coxe up git: a bill to dqal vifh the problem or. . ) .

sttaatioa t:at we're getting ourseiges iato. Aad. seaator

Gitz, I 'Gon't thia: ge#re preemptàag the 'e4eral Government

vitb tàis legislatioay ve#re dealing a tàe aeed t&at ve

should deai git: before the 'ederal Governmeat does come Govn

urlon us aad then--wailov eighty tàousand Poqn; tracks yitàout

a fee. . And tNen it was sqggested that...t:at t:e effectiFe

;at : was too late. 'he fees that ve'tl be able to increase E

w&2l...will aot---ve cannot coliect them iœmediakelyy and it

?il1 take soœe tiae to--.to get tàis proposal ïrom the Secre-

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tary of State's sfdice to get it enforced, anG I t:ink kâat

tixe is needed.. At tNe same time. ge:ll be..-Gealing vit:

t:e issue Mbere at leaat t:e courts yili not hage to come in

aad deal vit: +ke iésue for us. ând I voal; ask t:is side of

t:e aisle-.-to support tkis ameadœent because I tNin: it is

oae that is agreed' upon. It's going to bring tventy-six an4

a half million Goloars t:is zear and aa aGGitional t#o anG a

half miàlion dollars next year for tweaty-Aine miAiioaGollars into the Road 'qnd uhic: ge feel ia adegqatee at

least at tàis time, to take care ol the aeeds of

tàe...additional deterioration to tàe :igàgay sxstex. Aad if

it is note tàere is a reporting proceiure in tkis bill tkat

w11l...it sàoald cope back to the General âssemblye ukic: xe

could ad4resa aad' aG4 oa if it:s necessary to adG adiàtional

costs for t*e daxages done to that system. I tàiak it's a

'comproziaee like I 'sai; beforee betwepn two gtoups wàea tbey

started out an4 one saiGy sixteen lillion damage to the

siste? aad at one tïœe tâe De partmeat of Tlansportatioa said

t:irty Aiilion. tkés tàirt y-six lillione. and we coae up lith

a coœpro.ise wâic: v* tNink is going.-.in the end reauit. is

going to brinq in tveaty-nine xillion dollars to khe hig:gay

systez. an; Me think it's faire and I1d ask this siGe of the

alple to support this aaendaeat.

éP2 SIDI#G O'TIC:RZ (SENâTOR SâFICKAS)It aeema that.v.to move tNiagz aloagg we have---l'd like

to âake a âotification Nere. %e' haFe foqr sezators tàat ha4

soeg:t aa; requested copies of Anenimeats xo. 6. 7. 8 and aAi

ot:et amendaents to seaate Bill 1202 to be distributed to tàe

seaate zembership.. 5oe I'4 jqst like to place..-wkoever has

aœeadœehts oa these bills just for tàeir notificakion to aove

tNis alohg to Gistribute the aaeadments to tàe meobersàip.

because there :as beea a signed reqnest for thia. Senator

'aroFitz..

S2NâTO2 KAROVITZZ

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%i11 t*e sponsor yield''

PRESIDIAG O'FICZRZ. (SEIATOR sàvlc:âs)

Hp &ndicates Ee will.

SZ:ATOR :ARo7ITZz

Spnator Càeve could you. Jaat explain to *ee is khere a'Giffereatiationk an4.vwand please excqse me in advance if

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k 4 an4 anagereG. Is thele a differ-t:is guestion vas as e

entiatioa betueea t:e aaoqnl bf tonnage that a veàlcle :as

an4...aa4 a differing fee or a gradaated fee that tkat vehi-

cle 'vill pay for his overaqe or Tor the increase; tonnaqe

that's going to be allowed by thls bill?

P:CSIDIXG O'/ICE:: (SXXâ'0R SâVICKâS)

Senator Chev. .

SZ#ATD: CHz/z

Tes. Sir.

PQESI9ING OYEICZRZ (SQNKTOR S:VICKàSI

ienator 'arovitz.

S:XATDR 8àRO#ITzz

Can you tell me wàat.-.vhat tàat 1s? I...I..eI*Fe been

led to believe that khere are about seventy thoasand small

Glesel powered Fehiclea. aqtomoblles or vans. that gi11 come

qnder tke purviev of this legislakion. Eo* will ve differ-

entiate betveem tàose seventr thoqsan; Fehicles bet/een those

tàat veig: eigàty thousand tons. tkose that veig: segenty

thoueaady aixtz thouaande fifty tNouxaad. et cetera?

PQ2SI9IïG 0'FICC2z (SZXATO: 5âVICKl5)

senator che..'

Si:â'0: CHE:I

Senator.. oa Page 8 of the amendment, tàere is a total

breakdovn. novevere Just to give yoa..-oae categorye from

seventy- tkree thoqsaa; t*o Nundred aa4 eighty-one poqnis to

elght; tàoasande that wouzd be nineteen baadred dollars..

ZRESI9IKG OYFICERz' (SRNâTOQ SAYICKAS)

Senûtor.. .

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SXKZT/R caior

. . .:202 sixty-four tboasand and oae Toan; to

segenty-t:ree' thousand tgo Nundred aad' eighty pounds. thak

voql; be fifteea Nqadred and téo doiiacs. Bqt dn page 8 kiil

ansver your question ia its eatirety.

PRCGIDIXG b'elcEaz.. (SENATOR SAVICKAS)

further discùssion? Senatpr Bloom. senator slooœe do

you'vis: to Giseuss kàis bill-.-a/endmmnt?

SExz'o: Bloo'z

'elly t:e hour is late aq; PerNaps.-.becaûse the akend-

ment is t:e bill. ve can saTe it for 3rG readlhg. I voqlG

say tâat kNis ia bad.

PKESIDING O'FIC:EZ (SZNATQZ SAVICAIS)

Is there 'urt:er discussion? If not. Senator Cheu 2ay

close debate.

S:XATO/ CHZ#:

Thaak youe dr..zresident. Those persons that have had

sole.-.some gqestions ol tàis bill. apparentl; their ques- .

tioas eit:er some gere not stncerelye beeause as loag as it's

beea around, if ke#ve had anx ideasy certaihl; we âage

Melcomed egery zèmber of the Senate to give as input. ge,

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Nave *ad it on 2nG zeaiinge we âave accepted axendments. ue

kave discnssed ite we have Nad early xorning meetings. ue

àave Nad. late nàgàt œeeting. tàls morning at eigkt oêclock ge

in a aee tiag dealing xith this same thing. Senator Gitz said

itzs.--it.s an iwproveœent. Weli. senatore if the redecai

Gogerament pandates. Illiaoig to. have eighty poundsg ve :et no'aoaey. noaz vàatsoeger. there ïs no iacrease 1* tâe rederal

sqbsiiy' for wàigNvays ïf they mandate us. If ke pass this .

legisiation and get it signed by the Gavernory ve >ill gener-

ate thirty million dollars aanaaliy. Nowv there is a proFi-

sioa tkat tàe De partment of Traasportation vili report to the

Governor and to t:e General àssembly. If we flnd thls amoaat

tbat's beiag taxed oa tàe additioaal welgàe is not suzflcient

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to defral t;e cost of dalagê tâat kaS occqflede then it Wiol

be up to us tb deal vitN that a4ditional cost at tNat tîMe.

anG I œigkt'aid. ve have an agreymeat wità tKe truckingI

industr; of Illinois that if it is przovene stientificallye by

aukâorlzed boiïes of Skate or rederal GoFernzent, làicà

inclade. kigàgay ensiaeers, tkat tàe damage tbat it---these'

extra geights have caqsed àavee i2 facty been beyoa; or aboFe

t:e amount of taxes that these. users are paying that thez

*ill agree to pickup that additional zoney.. Lsenator Gitze.' I:m tzying to ansver yoar question. I hope youzre listening.

5r. Presiienty I woal; aék.for a favorable roll call on adopv '

tlon-...or an adoption o: tàlé àxenduent xo. 6 to seaate :111 '

' 1202. '

PRXSIDI'G OFTICZRZ (SZ:âTOR SAVICKIS) ';

Seaator Chel moves the aioptioa of Amendment Xo.. 6 to

Senate 3ili 1202. Tkose in favor indicate by saying lye.

Txose opposed-, The âyes---the âyes have it. âœend*ent Xo. 6

is aâopted. âhy farther aaenGmentsz

ACTING GZCRETARYI ('R. 'FER:âMDCS)

âmead*ent :0..7 offered by Selator Sangaeister.

PRCJIDIXG OFFICZRI (S:#ATQR SâVICKKS)

Senator sangleister.

SZXATOR SANGSZISTEZI '

Thank youv 5r. 'resident and meœbezs of tàe Geaate.

If... '

PRXSIDIRG OFFICCA: (G2xATO2 5l7IC;l5)

Senator. just a kinate. Por vbat pqrpose does Senator

psiiip arlsea'

SZxà'OE PHILIP;

' Thaq: yoq. dr. iresideat aa4 L#dies anG Gen tlemen of the

Genatee for the purpose of an introGuctioa. Re Nage tàe

first Coaptroiier of *:e State of Iliinoisy Ammellate Coqrt

Judge from the SeconG Appeli:te Court Gïstrict, the :onorable

George 9. Llndberg.

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PEESIDING O##iC:2z (SZ'ATOR SAFICKAS)ll1 rigbte nov Seaate---3enator Sangaeister on A*endmeat

No. 7 to Seaate Bill 1202.,. Smnator chege for vhat purpose do

Toq arise?

SzNâro: C2l#z

I donêt ha/e a copy qf Nts aâeaGmeat. If Ne *as aa eltra

oneœ I#G like to haFe it.

PRZSIDING O'FICCAZ (SC'ATOZ SâVIcKâS)

Senator Sangmeister.

SZXATOZ SAKGNEISTCEZ

I Gistribute; it anG you vere not at your seak at tàat

tiae. an; x tolè senator bùgaaa to teli you that it vas

tuere. that vaa ak least tvo days agb. :ut *y...ay aaeadment

is very sizpley seaatore sust let it-e.l Gon't eveh Nave a

ropy on my deskw I Goa't know khat happened to the last copy

tàat I bad.. but I...tà* onll thiig tàls aKendaeat siapl; does

ize if zoaere going to pass this bill. I think yoa#re patting

op the àigàvazs of tàe State of Illiioia an even *ore Qet:al

Feapon that'a out there alreaGy. Yoa#re increasing theae

geigàt li/iksv as I see it, somekhing like thlee tonsy and I

hope. tàat yoa#ve Ead the same experience. I Nope tàat maybe

yoq kavea.ty bqt ia driging oqr interstate bighwazs, hox aany

tàaes Nave yoq looked in your rearviev mizror and yoa donet

see a truck. behind yoqe you aee a grille and yoq see a guy

flashiag his lightse and he's alrea4y ten miles over the

speed limik because you're probablz five miles over the speed

lixlt, and he stàll vants t5 go bï roa.. Jï/plr lhat tàis

a'Mendœent does isv if any driver of a trurk is conFicted of

folloving too closelye tàis is an automatic revocation o; àis

license an* Q thiqk it sboql; be.

PREGIDIXGL QFFICEI: . (SZXATOR SàVICKâS)

Is tàere aay discassion? senator Chew.

5ZNàT0R ClE%z

Senatore that kind of amendment, in ky opiniony is some-

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thing tkat should aot be aktacheG to this bili. Qe Nave the

Illinois state Police: and ve also haFe a la* t:e ia Notor

Vehicle CoGe that alkead, has a penalky for tailgatiàge I#*

aare youfre f aailiar xith &'t.. , How, tailgating ia f'oiloging

too close ko anotker cary. but what is too close to yoa. or

'what is too close to 'm if no acclient occ urs? Iou're saying

ln zou're ameadmente that any truck.. lNic: I thïnk ià totally

uafair. tNat's bekin; an autolobileg or another trucke or a

busv does yoqr a*eadment skate anything peltaining to a dis-

tance? That is ?hy 1 aske; for a copy becaaze I Goaê: have

Qhqe..

PaC3InING O'FICCRI . (S::Aï02 SAVICKAS)

senator Sangaeisker.

525ATOR SANGSZISTER:

senatory this amendœent ties it righk into tàe

folloging too closely. followtng too closel; is a violakion

of tàe lotor Veàicle Codey and' ail it sa ys is tàat if. a truck

driver is convicteG of following too closeiyy that he aato-

watically--.it's a-..it*a a revocation of bis license.

PRESIDIXG OPFICCRZ (SENITOR SAVICKAG)

Staklze of

Senator Chev.

S2#zT02 <HER:

Ràak aboqt if aa aqtoxobile is invol#ed

he.s convicte4...an automobile driger?

PRESIDING O'/ICERZ ISEIATOR SAVICKAS)

Senator sangœeister.

szxàzoe UHE/Z'

Sàoqlln't :e be treaked tNe same vay?

5àyàTOR SAAGMCISTEZI

'Ne-.-t:e aaendaent is restricted to the driving of a

truck.. Noy I do not feel khe saxe way. It*s a lot differank

ghea I look i2 *; rearvie? Kirror and I see your car folAow-

ing me: tâan gkea I see a...@ forty toa truck tNat''s siI

inches fron œy bul#er and is about read; to ride rigbt over

ia tailgating and

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tNe top of we. tbat'is a lethal weapon.

PRESIDIXG OPFICXEI (SZRITOE SàTICKAS)

Seaator Chew.

SSAATDZ caxgz

Senatory I:m not goiïg to resist this amendlent. but

algays remelbere roa'; never look ia your wirxor and see me

behind yoa.

PRESIDING OFFICCaZ (5;:ATOa SAVICKàS)

sehakor Coffey. Senator Coffer.

SE#â2Oa COeFEI:

9ay to goy Charlie. Mr..presideat and œembers of the

Senate. I gouid just like ko clarify one thing. and -1:* not

sare.--vkether... the Se natorls ameaGment is eitàer ba4 or

gpo4. but I vould like. to clarify oae thing that-.-a little

information I have here ghic: saysy the size anG xeight of

trqcks is aot a primary fackor ia track relate; acciients.

Tbis is froœ the Departaent of Transportatioa an; National

:igNxay Safety ziainistrationg. it says heree tâe Feieral

3 ureau of 'otorcarriers or Safetr in 1978 a1d :79. shoyed

that àigàer percentage o' accidents in vhich. one *as killed

or injured An the eighty thoacand pound class 'veighkse which

is-e-ia other statese is less tNan the trucks twenty-five

tNousanG poand weight class. .. Soe Gon*t thiax by going to

eighty thoqsand pounds is goilg to make the roads any more

àazarGoas. 'aybe in total. a1l trqcks.aig:t be hazardoas to

soœe Gegree if there is someone that is abusing their drigiag

priviieges and foiloging too closê. If.tbe amendment is

aecessary to correct so*e of tXe proslemsv. I

gqess--ethere*s-.-tàere's no big problem. 3ut I don't t:ink

ve can SaJ tàat eigâty t:oqsand poends is goiag take aore

lives tNan t:e present trqcks ve Nave tàere nog.

PRESIDING OFPICER: (SENATOR SAVICKIS)

'urkâer discussion? IT aot. Seaator..-senator Gltz.

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'SZNâTDR GITZZ .

Kr. PreslGenk.. verr briefly, I really..-l Nope that some

people thia: t:rougà tâis amendœent. I#* saze tàak Me:ve all'had instancea vhere there's beea folloging too closqly. b?t

;ou kaove khat can also be iaterpreted very broadly. ând

qàite frankiy. to Jqst sinplyv completely revoke someboGy4s. (licensey wNick in Kany cases is a livelikoode oa this kind of

an issue 1. franklye tâlnk is e xcessive. A penaltze yese but

,tNi: kind of a penaltyw I really think ge olght ko tàink very

nnrefully before we go that route. ' '

ZRXSIDI4G OFFICERZ (SENâTO: SAVICKâS)

. 'urt:er Giscqssioa?. Senator cNege for the secohd time.

Szxàtox cHzkz' l .

:r.. President. ve kaFe Giscovere4 that Amendment No. 7 b; ,

senator Saagœeister wàïcN is claiwiag to Go notking but

<evoke a driver#s license 'of a krucker if :e's folloving too

close. in 'aoty revrites the. entire btlt. Soy if ve accept .

this amehdmeaty the amendaent that ue have jqst aGopteGy

Ameniment :o. 6 reaoly beco/e nall and void. . Soe I resist

tàe axeadaent. The copies. oi àis amend*ent àave not shogn up

oa my desk nor hise and I haFe just received a copy of the

aaendzeat.. aad it ciearly states by deieting the iatrodactory

claqse of sectioa 1 aa4 inserting &n lieq of tâe folloving.

so ia fact. seaakor. yoq'r amelGleat is not bal. &t is a#

Gisaster. ,

PRCSIDING OCTICERZ , (SXXATOR SàVICKIS)

Senator Totten.

32#àTO: TOTTENZ

Tkank yoqy ;r. Presiient and Ladies and Gentle/en of the !

Sinate. Ia Aieq.--beca ase of ghat Seaator Cbeg *as saiGe. 1.

' tàiak tNis amendaent nov looks like k:e best amendmeat ge got

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on t:e bill.and ge ougNt to adopt it.

PRESIDI#G oeeIC;:z (SZXATOR szvlclâs)

zazther 4iscissioa? If not, senator Sang/eister *aI

close deb:te.

SZSATOR S:RGK/ISTEE:

gell. franklr, 2 Goa*t...I bope everytàiag, ia in order.

I'l.not trying to screu up yoar b1ll tàat waye but I talked

to your staff man. eraak. axd erauk tol4 me that as sooa as

d t uent on mine vas in orier. so. that.s vNyyour awen >ea ,

ge:re proceeding that vay. Ohe vell: this is aot intenie; to

destroy t:e bkll. Lek me ansver sanator Coffey over there.

I think I'ztcorzect. if it wasnêt just laat wmeke tbere was a

' state trooper oa the bypass at 55 tâat vas coapletely run

oAer br a tzuck lïxe tâts of lesser ve. Jht. so doa't tell me

t:at tàoae things don.t àappen. #owe I gant to tell iou,

tàese track Grivers better Ieara thL t i; tàey're golng to

taàlgate aqtomobiles or other trucks or g:ategere th#t i;

they get caqght at it ahG tbey are foan; galAt; of followàag

too closelyy they ought to lose tàeïr license. Thel oaght to

remember that, it's tàeir livelihooGw it's a skrong point '

fzoa that standpolat. buk txey ought to Ieaealer it when

ther.ce six incàes bebinG yoa. '

PZZSIDI:G 0F#Ic2Rz (GEXàTGR SAVICKâSI'

'Ne gqestion is on t:e adoptlon of àmendaent So. 7...foT

ghat pqrpose 4o yoa arisey. Senator càpw?' ; '

SEXITOR CHE%z

I ganted to ask tNee--sponlor a qaestion Bf tNe alenG-

xenty if I xay.

PRSSIDI#G O'PICZZ: (S:XATOR' SàVICKAD)' ne.--ke vas--.Ne *as on tâe closzrng debate tâere. ëe're

on the adoption of t:e amendxeat uog. 0n tNe adoption of

Amenduen: xo. 7 to Senate Bill 1202. s'aator Càew.

szS4TGE cH29z

:ay I haFe leave to ask tâe sponsor a guestion on this

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axendaent?

PEZSIDIMG OFFIC:RZ (S::àTo: 3z7ICKz5)Is leage granted? Leave is not granted. on the adoption

of lmend*eak :0.,7 to Senate Bill 1202, those in favot lndi-

cate br saring lye. .':ose opposed. There's beea a request

for a roll call. Tlose ia favor of aGopting AmenGment :0.,7

vill Fote âze. Those opposed Fote xay. ::è Foting is open.'

1 oted gho gish; aave 4Al voted wào wish? gave a1lEave ai v

voted gho gish? Take t:e recori. 01 tNat qqesttohe t*e àyes

are 274 tàe says are 27. none Yoting Present. 2âe a*epdxent

Navihg failed to receive a.majorltz ls ieclazed lost. Sena-

kor Gangmeiatere for vhat purpose Go yoq arise?

S2Xà2OR SAN G:ZISZZ::

TNere's a ûulber of peopie intereste; that ve vill have a

Ferificatlon o; t:e negative.

PE:SIDIXG OPPIC;A: (SCNITDR SAVICKJS)

à verificatàon--.sehator sangmeister :as requeste: a

Ferïfïcatlon. gill all kàe Jeaators be ln tàelr seata aad

Mill ïàe Secretary.w-.ve wiil...seaa tor Ckeg âas requeàted a

verlflcatioa of tNe affirmative an4 t:at gill be tke next

order of buaiaess. secretary.. vi1l you please read the aega-

tive votms.

âCTI'G SSCRSTâRII (52. rEXN*N9;5)rhe following voted in the negativez Beckerv Bbrzaae

C:eg.: Coffey. Collins. D'Arcoe DaFidaon. neAngelis. D#gnane

ltheredge, Ge- Karis Gitz. Grotbergv. aally JoKns e Keats.r

ïeLendone 'cdiln nv Nasky xedzay Xegae, xegkouse. Rappe

Taylor. Thoaaa. Yadalabene. ;r. 'reaiieRt.. ?

PR:SIDIXG 0##ICd2z (SXXâTOA S1#ICZA5)

senator SangmeisteT. do #oq qu/stion...

S'NATOR SAXG/ZISTEEZ

Senator ïasà...

PRRSIDIXG Oe#ICCR: (SXNATOR.SAAICKASO

Senator xasà is in his sêat.

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SE#àROE Sà:G:ZISTZR;

iog. Gid Keats---Keats vote; Ao. Is Senator Keats around?

PEESIDING OPFICBQI (S;XâTO'a SAVICKAS)

Is senator Keats on t:e rloor? senator Keats. Senator

Keats oa +:e lioora @il1 t:e secretary please stzlke s:s

fqrther questionsg Senator Sangmeisterina/e. Any

S':ATOE SAXGSEISTCAI

Qà# somehody said senator T:oaasg

PRdSIDQSG OFPICCEZ lS2NAT02 SâTICKâS)

ne's sittlng ia Nis se:t. There has been a reqaesk

tkak-..a request to verifr the afflrmative voke. :r. secre-

tarye gill you please read tNe affir/ative Fokes.

âCTING S'CRZTARTZ (2n. '2Rxà<p:S)

Tbe folloving gote; ia t:e affirmativez Berniag. Bioo/.

Boyerse Brqce, auzbee. Dawsoa. Demqzio. dqaa. friediand.

Jeremïa: Jorce.. Jerome Jorce: Keate Ea*ar. haitiani.

'arovltze XetscNe Kimrod. Ozinga. Ahoads. Sangmeister.

Savickas. Scàaffere Sckunemane SoKmerg Tottene kals:e geaver.

P RZSI:ING OTFICERI (SZ:âTO; Sà#ICKàS)

Senator Ckege ëo yoq qaeltion...

52:âTOR CH:'z

1...1 NaFe no qqestione dr. Pr/sident.

PRCSIDING O##IcE2z (SXNàT0E Sàflclâs)

ïr.. Secretarr. vould yoq. give tâe Fote.

àCTIXG: SECRETAZTZ (h:. FKRXâXDZS)

'he Ieas are 27e the xars aIe 26.

PE;SIDING OFFICERI (SZXATDX SAVICSAS)

On that questioa. tàe adoption of âmendmeat 5o. 7 to

senate 5122 1202, t:e âyes àre 27. the Nars are 26. Amend-

xent xo. 7 is adopted. ànr fqrtàpr aaendaents?

ICTING SXCEZTAAYI (:2. FEEXAXDES)

àmeniment Xo. 8 offered by Senator Berning.

PAKSIDIXG O##IC22z (SZNATOR SATICAAS)

sena.tor Berninq. ,

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SEXATOQ 3'RWING: .

Thanà yoq. ïr. Presi4ent. àmead*eat :0. 8 is a Very.

ilple aaendweat and seeks to adGress tàe question offery s

iaa4eqaate fqnâlag. for blgbuays. In addltlon. œost of as .

tàe jkAoM that tâese fer; large trqcks are the 1a3Or faCYOr in. I

deterioration of aur àighvays. Ia fack, nev' :ighway 1-55 up

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,'' that. oae ol .tNese b1g tracks creates as 'mqcK kiguuay eanage

' as nine thousan; six huaGreG aqtomobiles-, 5o: :r* President

aa4 wexbers of the senatee àmendment :o. 8 seeks to raise

adiitional funds by doubling t:e license fees. That vill

prodqce betwèen a handred an4 fortl-five and : a àaadled and .

fifty mizlion doilars.

PEESIDIXG OPFICEZZ; (SZNITOE SAVICKAS)

for wk>t pqrpose Goes Senator Rock ariae? '

S7%â10: RDCKI .

' rhank youe dr.. PresiGent. I haFe jqst.-.câat *1th tàesponsor anG I voqld liàe to yïeld to Senatoz Càew.

TEESIDING O'PICERZ . (SCNATOZ SAVICKAS)

Senator Chev.

SXXâT0R CEERZ

' I woql; aSk for leaTe t0 rekara SeRaàe Bill 1202 back to '

tàe' comaittee on Transportation. .

PRESIDING. OFPICEZZ, (SEXATOR 5âVIC<âS) '

Toaeve heard' tàe lotion- Is leave granted? Leave is.

graated. Eecomlit Senate 3121 1202 to TransportatiaB Collit-

> tee. . 0n tNe Or4er. of Recalls. Senate Bill 1653. Senator

Bloom.. Genator Rock.

' SENATOR ROCKI '

Tàank youe 'r. President.. Before ve put'the-.-œotion to

adjoura #til tea o'clock toaorro? Korningy. it aTpegrs froa. 1àe Calendar .tâat there are onlr approxi/ately tgexty bills

or so that viil be sab3ect tp oqr action toaorzou. and Q ' az

4eepiy àopeful that ve wiil. ia factu adjourn tomorrov so

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tsat ail.of qa caa'eajoz a mac: neeGe; rest. 1:e only bill

remailing on kNe recali list is 1651 anâ tbat'à subject toxhatever senator Blooz'gishes to doe bat ge vill--.vhen ve . Ii il1 ad3ourn 'tll ten o*clock tomorro? œorning. 'a 4ourny we v

I'G ask all the œembers. to be prompt so tàat all of us caa

a/commodake oae amother and we caae in facty leaFe ;or hoae' jtoaorrov afternoon. .

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PRESIDI'G 0rfIC:Rz. (SENâTOE SKVICKAS) '

Senatùr Doanegald.

3:gz2Oâ DON:EVALD) '

ïese :r. President and khe *embers. Could I àaFe their

' attentiaa that there gill be a aules Co*aittee meeting tolor-

zo# Morniage aine o.'clock, aooa q:0.

PRXSIDIXG OAPICERI (SEXATOR SKVICKàS) .

Genator Carroll moves to ai3oara. For khat purpose does

1 ise ysenator Deângelis?Senator 3 oo1 ar ..

SEXZTO: geâxGzilsz

:elle ar-wpresiGent.. I hqve been-.-l have be en wait-

iag.. . . .

PEBSIDIXG OFFICRR: (SZXITQ: SIVICXâS)' Senakor DeARgeiis.

SZ%H OE DPAXGEIISI '

...gell# 5r4 Presldent. ve gere inforaed tbat tàe bills

tàat were on 3rd would be cailed back ko 2ad. Nog. okar---àe

said zou.re goin/ to adjoqra right nov. 0:e oxay.

PRESIDING OXTICERZ (SZXATOR SàVICKâS)

Senator Rock.

SC:AQOR ZOCKZ.

If...&' everzbo4y can sit dogn for a Kinute anG have a

littie order. we can-.-vhat I saggested vas. tNat before' tNe

œotion to adjoœra is pqt until ten o.clock tomorrow morniagy

a11 t:e bills t:at vere---amendments vere filed vere subject

to recall at t:e sponsors request. I ha; an aœeadmeat filed

oa 1272, senator cofdey diG Rot request tkat it be rqturaed

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to .2n4 reaGing. . The only one left is 1651 vàic: is sqblect

to Senator Blooa. vhake/er âe vishes to do. :ut v:en ge get

finiskedy, it*s tea o'clock toaorrow zoraiag. I asked every-' one to please be prompt so that ve ran. in facty alà of us

leave. .

PQESQDIXG OTFICSZ: (SE#âTOR SIVICKàS) '

Senator Sixas. .

szxzroR slzssz . i. '

. j:r. Presiient. I#d like to kave leave of t:e Body to take

. ifrom poskpone; consideratioa seaate Bi11 1671 to return it to i

2nG reading fJr th* pqzposes of Tablïag an aàendmeat. ' i

PZESQDING OPPICZR: (SZ::TOZ SàYICKAS). . ..

' isenavor. 1... sure ve caa sandze tsat tomorrov in tiae :or .'i

*t tàiak tNat's a pro#lem., Seaator Rock: '.'1yoqr concera. . I doa1

. did yoq---seaator Rock. . j. j

S'XATOZ ROCKZ, I

zelle aog.seaator Taylor received lea/e of this BoGy ko

come back to 1632 tolorrog. I gill assnze Senator Simms ' :1

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we:ll ge: to that one toaorrov koo for t:e saae pqrpose.. jIPQESIDING O'FICEQI (SZXATOX SATICKâS)I

Soy seaatorow-senator belqzioe for xhat purpose 4o you :

arisez '

SCN:QO: DZ:UZIO: '

fesv I Rove ve. go to wotions in Mriting. .

PRESIDIXG OFTIC;ZZ (S;:AT02 SIVICXAS)

senatore at this point vexre oa senate Blils recalled...'sE:àT0R DEMGZIOZ

Qeloe 1... '

TKESIDIXG OFFICXZZ (SZNATOR SIVICXAS)

. . .oa t*e OrGer of Seaate B&ll 1651... . .

SZNATOR DZMUZIOZ .I

. . .1 have a motion tàat *e...

PREGIDI'G OFPICER: (SEMATOZ SAVICKAS)

. - -before ve were interra#ted. Seaator De/azio.

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Sixàroa DE'DZIDZ

. .1 perslst àn ay Motiony I aove t:at we go to Motions in..

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vriting and reqœest a roll call. '/ CEfr (SXN;TO; SâFICKJS) : . ''PEZSIDING OF I

Senator' Bloomy for vàdk pqrpose do ;oa arisez

SEXATOR :iooir

7el1. t#e houl is late and pezkaps there#s. oaiy ole'

. recall le:t.., ge can kandle 1651 flrst tulng in t:e mornïng

anQ tâen maywNe we can adjoqrle wbat Go 7oq tbiMk2 Xeak: if I

can get tk* comwitœeat 'to bring it back. there's only oae

recali lefty we ion't need to get iato anotàer---asout fiFe'

t:er varse qand' I caa see that Nappenihg..o

PZCSIDI<G DPTICZZz, (SCXATO: SAVICKAS/ .

Senator. you vill kage kâat commitneat. Senator Deluzioy

zou persist in your Kotioa?

SERATOE DZSDZIDI

Ies, I Dove Me go to *otioas in Writing ;0r the #arpose

of aiscuarglng ruzes zro. sexate stll la:a wbtcs ts to elect

tàe--wmeabers of t:e Illïaois Commerce Commission.

PREGIDIKG OF#ICZRZ (SXXâQOR SAYICKAS)

Senator Rock.

sexâToR aocxi

'Nat certainlr soqnGs iike fuay bat I moge le adjourn

'til ten o:clock toaorro? morning.

SB:à'0R DXSBZIOI

Roil call.

PRZSIDING.OPFICCAZ (SAXâTOE SAYICKâG)

Ik's qnieXatable.

SEXATOR D::7Z20z ' ' .

.. 1. request a roll cail. fon the adloqrnment....

PRZSIBING OFPICZS: (SXWATO: SAVICRâS)I

Senator Dezuzio. '

SEXâT02 DCMUZIOI

I reqqest a roll call on the adjoaraweat.

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PRESIDI'G D'TICSWJ 33TNk2OR.5g91CzA51That-e-t:at's ia order. #ill al1 the me/bers gek ia

tàeir seats. tkyre's been a Kotion to adjourh antil ten

to/orrol zorning. A roll call has been requested.o'ciock

on tâat aotloa, all tàose ia favor w11l be votiag àge. rhsse

opposed

wào. gisà? :ave a11 Foted who Fïsâ?

gill. vote 'ay. Tàe vokiag is open. aave a12 Foted

Oa t:at Dotlon...take

t:e recorde 'r. Secretary. 0h t:at lotione.the âyes are %1.

tNe xays are 13e aoae Voting:preselt. TNe Kotioa carries.

The Seaate staads adjoarned uatil ten oêcloek Tâursdar zora-

ing.

1st.reaazag ok t:e blla- 1 · senate. in line *1th our discussioas of yesterdaye tbese...

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