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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT MIDDLE DISTRICT OF PENNSYLVANIA

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BRIAN HAMPEL, : CIVIL ACTION - LAW Plaintiff : : JURY TRIAL DEMANDED vs : :CHARLES J. BALOGH and :DEBBIE PARKER, : Defendants : NO. 3:17-CV-01498 * * * Videotaped deposition of D.A. STEFANIESALAVANTIS, taken at the Dyller Law Firm, 88 NorthFranklin Street, Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania 18701,on Wednesday, August 29, 2018, beginning at 9:37a.m. before Bernadette M. Farran, Court Reporterand Notary Public in and for the Commonwealth ofPennsylvania.

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COUNSEL APPEARED AS FOLLOWS: BARRY H. DYLLER, ESQUIRE THERON J. SOLOMON, ESQUIRE DYLLER LAW FIRM 88 North Franklin Street Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania 18701 Telephone: (570)829-4860

-- Representing the Plaintiff

JOHN P. FINNERTY, ESQUIRE DOUGHERTY, LEVENTHAL & PRICE, LLP 75 Glenmaura National Boulevard Moosic, Pennsylvania 18507 Telephone: (570)347-1011 -- Representing the Defendants

INGRID S. CRONIN, ESQUIRE ASSISTANT FEDERAL PUBLIC DEFENDER 201 Lackawanna Avenue, Suite 317 Scranton, Pennsylvania 18503 Telephone: (570)343-6285

-- Representing the Deponent D.A. Stefanie Salavantis

ALSO PRESENT:

Nancie Redmond, Videographer

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1 I N D E X2 * * *3 WITNESS: D.A. Stefanie Salavantis4 QUESTIONED BY: PAGE5 Mr. Dyller 7678 E X H I B I T S9 * * *

MARKED10 NUMBER DESCRIPTION

FOR ID11

Plaintiff's-1 Criminal Complaint and 612 Affidavit of Probable Cause13 Plaintiff's-2 Report prepared by Detective 6

Balogh concerning January 201614 phone call with Jessica Musto15 Plaintiff's-3 Job Description for full-time 6

ADA for advertisement16

Plaintiff's-4 Report prepared by Detective 617 Balogh about 1-15-16 interview

of Matthew Cienciva18

Plaintiff's-5 Report prepared by Detective 619 Balogh, dated 1-18-1620 Plaintiff's-6 Report prepared by Detective 6

Balogh about interview of21 Paige Evans22 Plaintiff's-7 Letter dated 9-8-16 by Attorney 6

Shelley Centini concerning23 Paige Evans2425

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1 E X H I B I T S (Continued.)

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3 MARKEDNUMBER DESCRIPTION

4 FOR ID5 Plaintiff's-8 Answer in Affirmative Defenses 6

of Defendants Charles J. Balogh6 and Debbie Parker7 Plaintiff's-9 Not identified 68 Plaintiff's-10 Commonwealth's Answer to 6

Defendant's Petition for9 Writ of Habeas Corpus10 Plaintiff's-11 Information filed by the 6

Commonwealth with regard to11 Richard Wojcik12 Plaintiff's-12 Plea Agreement for Richard 6

Wojcik13

Plaintiff's-13 Not identified 614

Plaintiff's-14 Documents related to Peter 16315 Cienciva16 Plaintiff's-15 Photograph 11717 Plaintiff's-16 Photograph 11718192021 * * *22 (Whereupon, Exhibits Plaintiff's-123 through Plaintiff's-16 were retained by24 Attorney Dyller.)25 * * *

Case 3:17-cv-01498-WIA Document 31-1 Filed 09/18/18 of 89



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1 * * *2 (Whereupon, Exhibits Plaintiff's-13 through Plaintiff's-13 were marked for4 identification.)5 * * *6 (It is hereby stipulated and agreed by7 and among counsel for the respective parties8 that signing, sealing, certification, and9 filing are waived, and that all objections,

10 except as to the form of the question, are11 reserved until the time of trial.)12 * * *13 VIDEOGRAPHER: Hi. My name is Nancie14 Redmond. I reside in Harding, Pennsylvania.15 I'm employed at the Dyller Law Firm at 88 North16 Franklin Street, Wilkes-Barre, PA 18701.17 Today is Wednesday, August 29, 2018 at18 9:37 a.m. at the Dyller Law Firm.19 This is the matter of Brian Hampel20 versus Charles J. Balogh and Debbie Parker.21 This is the video deposition of22 District Attorney Stefanie Salavantis, and this23 deposition is being taken on behalf of the24 plaintiff, Brian Hampel.25 MR. DYLLER: Would you swear her in?

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1 * * *2 D.A. STEFANIE SALAVANTIS,3 having been first duly sworn, was4 examined and testified as follows:5 * * *6 EXAMINATION7 * * *8 BY MR. DYLLER:9 Q. Good morning, Ms. Salavantis.

10 A. Good morning.11 Q. I know before we were on the record we12 were speaking. And I know you've been deposed13 before. And so I'll just remind you that we should14 each let each other finish our questions or answers15 so that the court reporter can get it all down.16 And try your best not to say uh-huh or17 huh-uh, just yes or no. And I know you're an18 attorney, so I know that you're experienced.19 Let me just, you know, get some basics20 from you. Would you just take us through your21 educational background, please?22 A. Sure. I went to Dallas High School.23 Graduated in 2001. From there I went to Temple24 University. Graduated from there in 2005 and then25 Thomas Cooley Law School and graduated from there

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1 in 2009.2 Q. Okay. And you took the Bar and passed3 it --4 A. Yes.5 Q. -- correct?6 A. Yes. Correct. Sorry.7 Q. That's okay.8 Okay. And after you became an9 attorney, would you take us through your work

10 experience, please?11 A. When I passed the Bar, I began working12 with Jerome Collin, a local attorney in the area.13 At the same time, I practiced on my own. I had my14 own private practice doing family law, civil stuff.15 From there -- about a year after that,16 I began working with Attorney Robert Panowicz and17 his firm which did a lot of insurance defense. So18 I worked closely with a lot of -- the Erie19 Insurance Company, the adjusters and worked on20 their cases for his firm.21 After that, in 2000 -- sorry. The22 years start to blend after a while. In 2011, I ran23 for district attorney and won and took office in24 2012, in which I still serve as district attorney25 in Luzerne County.




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1 Q. Okay. So you are the top district2 attorney. You're not an assistant district3 attorney. You are the district attorney, correct?4 A. Correct. I'm the elected district5 attorney.6 Q. Okay. And you ran in 2011. Am I7 correct that you were reelected in 2015?8 A. Correct.9 Q. Okay. And both your 2011 and 2015

10 elections were contested elections?11 A. Yes.12 Q. And you won in both cases?13 A. Correct.14 Q. Okay. And you served since January15 2012 as the district attorney?16 A. Correct.17 Q. Okay. In your role, could you describe18 for us what -- how you have defined your role as19 the district attorney of Luzerne County?20 A. I oversee all of the criminal cases in21 Luzerne County, work closely with law enforcement.22 And as cases are bound over -- typically are bound23 over to the Court of Common Pleas, our office24 oversees all of those -- the prosecution from25 thereon.

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1 Sometimes we have to assist with cases2 from the very beginning; major cases like3 homicides, rapes, child abuse cases in which our4 county detectives oversee and either assist or5 handle the investigations. And from there, we work6 throughout the entire process on the cases.7 Q. Okay. So I know obviously, you're one8 person, and you can't do it all. I -- I know you9 have assistant district attorneys who work for you;

10 is that correct?11 A. That is correct.12 Q. How many assistant district attorneys13 work for you?14 A. At this point in time, 29.15 Q. Is that 29 full time?16 A. There are -- excuse me -- I believe at17 this point, six part-time ADAs.18 Q. So six part-time and 23 full-time19 assistant district attorneys?20 A. Correct.21 Q. And you mentioned, earlier, county22 detectives. What -- what -- do the county23 detectives also work for you?24 A. Yes.25 Q. Okay. How many county detectives are

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1 there?2 A. Ten.3 Q. Okay. And when I say "work for you," I4 know that you're their boss. But are the county5 detectives -- who -- who do -- who is the actual6 employer?7 A. Luzerne County is the employer of the8 -- the staff within the district attorney's office.9 Q. Is Luzerne County also your employer?

10 A. I would say so; yes.11 Q. So maybe we can clarify. When you get12 paid periodically, is it by Luzerne County?13 A. Yes. Excuse me. Yes, it is.14 Q. Okay. So Luzerne County is the15 employer of you and of the assistant district16 attorneys and of the detectives, correct?17 A. Correct.18 Q. And of all other staff in the district19 attorney's office?20 A. Correct. We have about 30 support21 staff as well.22 Q. In addition to the assistant district23 attorneys and detectives?24 A. Correct.25 Q. And within the district attorney's

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1 office, you are the highest ranking person?2 A. Correct.3 Q. Who do the county detectives report to?4 Is it to you?5 A. Ultimately, they report to me, yes.6 Q. When you say "ultimately," is there7 some intermediate person?8 A. Yes; the Chief County Detective Michael9 Dessoye.

10 Q. So Mich -- Chief County Detective11 Michael Dessoye. The other nine report to him?12 A. Correct.13 Q. And Chief Dessoye -- Chief Detective14 Dessoye reports to you?15 A. Correct.16 Q. And ultimately all ten of them report17 to you?18 A. Correct.19 Q. Is there anyone else in between?20 A. No.21 Q. Okay. With regard to the detectives,22 what kind of training do they receive?23 A. Each detective may receive different24 trainings depending on their specialty.25 Q. Is there any internal training to the




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1 Luzerne County detectives?2 A. They have to go through qualifications3 and their yearly updates. Besides that, no.4 Q. Okay. So when you say qualifications5 and yearly updates, that's not through the district6 attorney's office?7 A. No -- well, technically yes. Because8 in order to be a detective, you have to continue to9 do updates every year and qualify. So it would be

10 -- because they couldn't hold the position.11 Q. Well, okay. When you say "updates,"12 who teaches the updates?13 A. We hire people to do -- or the State14 provides updates or different experts throughout15 the county. Or other counties come in, and they16 help with updates.17 Q. Okay. Are you aware of what -- the18 content of what those updates are?19 A. No.20 Q. Okay. And I know -- and perhaps you21 could explain a little bit. I understand that22 Luzerne County instituted or -- a grand jury system23 several years ago?24 A. Correct.25 Q. When was that?

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1 A. That -- I -- I -- I cannot recall.2 Q. Okay. Was that within the last five3 years?4 A. Yes.5 Q. Was there any special training to the6 detectives about the grand jury system?7 A. No.8 Q. Okay. What about the assistant --9 well, prior to this instituting of the grand jury

10 within the last five years, am I correct that there11 was no grand jury in Luzerne County for at least a12 large number of years?13 A. Correct.14 Q. Did the assistant district attorneys15 get any training on the grand jury system?16 A. Yes.17 Q. What training did they receive?18 A. It was training through the19 Pennsylvania District Attorney's Association.20 Q. Okay. Was that -- was that a full day?21 A full week? How long was it?22 A. Oh, I can't recall. That was a while23 ago.24 Q. Did every assistant district attorney25 receive that training?

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1 A. No.2 Q. Which ones did?3 A. Jenny Roberts and Brian Coleman.4 Q. Anyone else?5 A. I attended it. And my first assistant,6 Sam Sanguedolce, I believe, attended it as well and7 maybe our deputy, Chet Dudick.8 Q. Did Nancy Violi receive that training?9 A. I don't recall.

10 Q. Okay. How long was the training?11 A. I don't recall.12 Q. Well, was it more than a day?13 A. I don't recall.14 Q. Where did it take place?15 A. I -- I go to trainings all the time, so16 I'm trying to remember. I believe it was in17 Harrisburg, but I'm not positive.18 Q. Were there written materials provided19 during the training?20 A. Yes.21 Q. Do you still have your written22 materials?23 A. I don't know. I'd have to look.24 Q. Do you know if somewhere within the25 district attorney's office those written materials

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1 would exist?2 A. I'm -- maybe. I'm assuming so.3 Q. Okay. Do you remember whether the4 materials were in booklet form? In electronic5 form? Something else?6 A. I believe the Pennsylvania District7 Attorneys Association has started to move to8 electronic form and sends it out. If you -- if you9 go to the training but -- I can't recall. It could

10 have been in paper form and electronic. I don't11 know.12 Q. Okay. Other than that initial13 training, has there been any continuing training14 about the grand jury system?15 A. Besides working with other counties and16 learning from other counties, no.17 Q. When you say learning from other18 counties, is that just talking to other people19 about how you do things and getting ideas from each20 other?21 A. Yes.22 Q. Okay. Do you have -- as a district23 attorney, have you created policies? Do you have a24 policy book, for example?25 A. I do not have a policy book.




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1 Q. Do you have written policies,2 generally?3 A. I have some written policies, yes.4 Q. How do the people who work within the5 district attorney's office know about or how can6 they refer to the written policies?7 A. They're sent to them.8 Q. So if you hired someone today to be an9 assistant district attorney, would that get a copy

10 of all written policies?11 A. They -- there is a handbook that was12 created that they would get for the office. Any13 policies that we have in the office like dress code14 policy, things of that nature, have sort of been15 implemented and put into that handbook. Other16 policies that may have gone out, no. No.17 Q. So how do new employees learn about the18 written policies?19 A. Well, they're trained through working20 with other district attorneys.21 Q. Within you're office?22 A. Yes.23 Q. Okay. So they might learn from the24 people in the office, but they don't get access to25 the written policies?

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1 A. No. That's not what I said. They --2 Q. Well, that's what I'm trying to3 clarify.4 A. Yeah. And I completely understand.5 Each -- each hire will go into a6 specific unit within our office. So if there is a7 policy with regard to drug cases, that individual8 that goes into the DUI unit wouldn't necessarily9 need the policy for the drug unit.

10 So the unit head for, say the DUI unit,11 would help train this individual and make sure that12 they know what they have to do.13 If there are policies that we have14 implemented within the office for, again, the DUI15 unit, they would have access to those policies.16 Q. Okay. Is there any kind of a policy17 about how to write a Criminal Complaint and18 Affidavit of Probable Cause?19 A. No.20 Q. No policy at all?21 A. No.22 Q. Are there any informal, whether it's23 not written, policies or ways that you have your24 detectives who might be arresting someone write25 their Criminal Complaints and Affidavits of

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1 Probable Cause?2 A. Everybody has been -- strike that.3 Um, there isn't any type of policy that4 the detectives receive in order to write an5 affidavit or Complaint.6 Q. Well, I'm not just talking about having7 a written policy that they receive. But is there8 -- are there other standards that you as the9 district attorney impose upon your detectives about

10 what they should or should not include in their11 Affidavits of Probable Cause?12 A. Well, when the detectives are writing13 an Affidavit of Probable Cause, these are mainly14 serious cases. So an assistant district attorney15 would be reviewing them and approving them before.16 So if there isn't something -- they learn through17 the process.18 So if this ADA wants this in their19 affidavit -- they learn what each -- each20 individual attorney would want. Otherwise, there21 isn't anything else that is provided to the22 detectives.23 Q. So if the detectives are writing a24 Probable Cause Affidavit, is there always an25 assistant district attorney reviewing that Probable

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1 Cause Affidavit?2 A. I would say typically. I don't want to3 say always, because there may be situations where4 they may not have. But typically, yes.5 Q. And -- so in that sense, the ADA or --6 for the record, assistant district attorney, is7 helping the detective in their policing role to8 make sure the affidavit says what it's supposed to9 or doesn't say what it's not supposed to?

10 A. Well, the attorney makes sure that they11 meet the burden that they have in order to file an12 affidavit and meet the probable cause standards.13 So an attorney would review and make14 sure that everything is in there that -- that15 abides by the law.16 Q. Okay. And is this -- this role17 something that you have discussed and made sure18 that your detectives and your assistant district19 attorneys are abiding by?20 A. Can you --21 Q. Sure. I'll clarify.22 Is this something that you have -- you23 as the district attorney have made sure that your24 assistant district attorneys are making sure that25 the detectives' Probable Cause Affidavits comply




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1 with appropriate law?2 A. Yes.3 Q. Okay. So that's something that you as4 the DA have -- a role you have imposed on your5 assistant district attorneys?6 A. Correct.7 Q. Okay. Do you know whether your8 assistant district attorneys also make sure that9 information that shows that someone might not be

10 guilty of something is also included in the11 Probable Cause Affidavits?12 A. Can you repeat that? I'm sorry.13 Q. Sure. Well, you said that one thing14 the assistant district attorneys do is make sure15 that the information contained in a Probable Cause16 Affidavit is sufficient to meet the Probable Cause17 Standard for the crimes charged, right?18 A. Correct.19 Q. Are -- do you also have your assistant20 district attorneys make sure that any facts or21 evidence that might indicate that a person is not22 guilty is also included in the Probable Cause23 Affidavit?24 A. No. I've never told my assistants to25 -- anything specific about how to prepare an

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1 affidavit.2 Q. Is there any reason why you would not3 have exculpatory evidence, or evidence that shows4 that someone's not guilty, included in the Probable5 Cause Affidavit?6 A. Well -- and I -- if I can, I'd like to7 clarify. The ADAs are not the ones preparing the8 affidavits. This is prepared by the investigators,9 the detectives or police departments if they're

10 working with them.11 So they are the ones responsible for12 putting together the affidavits. The ADAs are not13 responsible to do that. They only review the14 affidavits and determine if -- if they met their15 burden.16 Q. If the detectives -- if the Luzerne17 County detectives who work for you and for -- and18 for the district attorneys office are working a19 case because it might be a major case, do the20 assistant district attorneys -- are they aware of21 all the facts as they're helping the detectives22 prepare their paperwork, the Criminal Complaints23 and Affidavits of Probable Cause?24 A. I can't say if they are aware of all25 the facts. I'm sorry.

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1 Q. Are they supposed to be aware of all2 the facts?3 A. They're aware of what the police4 officers tell them.5 Q. Okay; and what the detectives tell them6 or don't tell them. Or they're not aware --7 A. They're aware --8 Q. -- of what the detectives don't tell9 them?

10 A. They're aware of what the detectives or11 law enforcement tell them.12 Q. Okay. Is there any -- you've not13 created any policy about the detectives including14 disclosure of factual information that might show a15 person's not guilty? You've not created such a16 policy?17 A. No.18 Q. Have you had any discussions about that19 with the district attorney's office?20 A. No.21 Q. To this day?22 A. No.23 Q. What does your supervision of the24 assistant district attorneys consistent of?25 A. It depends on what exactly you're

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1 talking about. Because every case is different.2 There are very serious cases in the office in which3 I work very closely with the assistant district4 attorneys and follow the case very closely. But5 then there maybe -- I'll go back to the DUI example6 -- a DUI that they strictly oversee. And if they7 want to say, offer a plea, they typically either8 discuss it with me, discuss it with their unit9 head, our deputies or our first assistant.

10 So I really -- I oversee what they do.11 And I oversee all of the cases. But I'm only one12 person. So it's very difficult to know exactly13 what's going on at all times.14 Q. Uh-huh. Now, you said -- I'm sorry. I15 think you said you have 28 assistant district16 attorneys?17 A. I believe at this point 29.18 Q. Oh, I'm sorry; 29.19 A. We're in the middle of hiring multiple.20 Q. You will have more?21 A. No. This 29 should be the last.22 Q. Okay. So I know every elected district23 attorney views their roles a little differently.24 And I think, as I understand it, considering you25 have 29 assistant district attorneys and 10




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1 detectives and 30 support staff that -- that you2 defined your role as administering the office?3 A. Correct.4 Q. So that would include supervising the5 employees, correct?6 A. Correct.7 Q. And that would include creating8 whatever policies you think are appropriate?9 A. Correct.

10 Q. I -- and I understand that that11 probably takes a fair bit of time?12 A. Yes, it does.13 Q. So that your role as you've defined it14 does not include the actual trying of cases but it15 includes administering the entire office?16 A. Correct.17 Q. Do you have any -- within your office,18 is there any kind of policy -- and by this, I mean19 written or otherwise -- about calling the media,20 calling the press in advance to witness an arrest?21 A. Yes.22 Q. What is policy?23 A. That no one is to -- and I should say24 it's just a media policy in general. No one is to25 contact the media or speak to the media without

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1 first talking to me. I am typically the first2 person or only person that talks to the media3 unless I give someone approval to do -- to do it4 themselves.5 Q. What about if it's -- and I'm not6 talking about talking to the media. But if there's7 going to be a major arrest, is there any kind of8 policy either permitting or forbidding calling the9 media so that they'll be present when someone is

10 led into court?11 A. I don't know if that is within our12 policy -- our media policy. But it's not a general13 practice in our office. So it may be an unwritten14 rule if you want to call it that.15 Q. An unwritten rule that that can happen16 or cannot --17 A. That that --18 Q. -- or should not happen?19 A. -- should not happen.20 Q. So if someone is being brought to a mag21 -- being arrested and brought to a magistrate for22 arraignment, is that something that your office23 should not alert the media so that they can take24 photographs of the person?25 A. That my office should not be speaking

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1 to the media about the case.2 Q. Okay. How aware are you of the details3 of the Brian Hampel matter?4 A. I'm --5 MS. CRONIN: Object to -- object to the6 form. It appears it's --7 BY MR. DYLLER:8 Q. Okay. Do you know what? Were you --9 were you aware that at some point Brian Hampel was

10 arrested?11 A. Yes.12 Q. And you understand what Brian Hampel13 was -- the crime with which he was charged?14 A. Yes.15 Q. And which persons within your office16 physically arrested Mr. Hampel?17 A. I believe -- I believe it was -- the18 only person I can remember is Charles Balogh. We19 have multiple detectives on this case assisting if20 we -- if I needed them to. But the name that21 sticks out is Charles Balogh for the actual arrest.22 Q. Do you know what time of day Mr. Hampel23 was actually arrested?24 A. No.25 Q. If I told you it was approximately

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1 6 p.m., is that consistent or inconsistent with2 your understanding?3 A. I don't know when he was arrested.4 Q. Okay. If Mr. Hampel was arrested5 around 6 p.m. and brought to a magistrate's office6 for arraignment and the media were at the7 magistrate's office to photograph him, do you -- do8 you have any understanding of how that could have9 happened?

10 A. It happens all the time in Luzerne11 County. Unfortunately, I have no idea.12 Q. If Mr. Balogh or someone else from your13 office had alerted the media to be at a certain14 magistrate's office, would that be consistent with15 or inconsistent with the way you do things in the16 district Attorney's office?17 A. That would be inconsistent.18 Q. So if Mr. Balogh called the media or if19 someone else from your office called the media,20 would that violate your rules?21 A. Yes.22 Q. And why is that?23 A. Because I'm the only one that should be24 communicating with the media.25 Q. I'll just ask you. Did you -- did you




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1 let the media know that Mr. Hampel was being2 arrested?3 A. No.4 Q. So if that happened, if someone in your5 office did that, that would violate your rules?6 A. Yes. If they did not communicate with7 me and I did not give them approval in doing8 anything like that, yes. That would violate my9 rules.

10 Q. Okay. Did you give approval to anyone11 to alert the media?12 A. No.13 Q. How do the people in your office know14 that rule that they are not to contact the media?15 A. I don't know if it's a written rule or16 if it's something that everybody just knows. I17 have numerous meetings throughout the years. And I18 make it a point to say -- and remind people that I19 am the first point of contact. And if I find out20 that anybody else speaks to the media, there may be21 repercussions.22 Q. What is the purpose of -- of the rule23 -- of the rule that you are the only person to24 speak to the media or contact the media unless you25 specifically authorize?

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1 A. I want a clear message from the2 district attorney's office and consistent message.3 Q. Do you think it's a problem when the4 media photograph a person who's just been arrested5 in handcuffs?6 MS. CRONIN: Objection to the form.7 THE WITNESS: I don't know.8 BY MR. DYLLER:9 Q. Do you think that somehow diminishes

10 the presumption of innocence?11 MS. CRONIN: Object to the form, too.12 THE WITNESS: I don't believe so. The13 arrest happened. And they're catching them14 during that -- that situation. But I don't15 know.16 BY MR. DYLLER:17 Q. Okay. Let's talk about grand juries.18 Can you tell me the difference between an19 investigative grand jury and an indicting grand20 jury?21 A. An investigative grand jury is a -- a22 tool for law enforcement specifically if -- say,23 for instance, people are afraid to testify, if24 they're uncooperative, something along those lines25 that help in the investigation of a case.

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1 The indicting is you present the2 evidence, and a grand jury determines if the3 individual should be indicted for the charges.4 Q. How does Luzerne County impanel a grand5 jury?6 A. Um, it's the typical process of7 bringing in jurors, doing voir dire, selecting.8 And then the judge then selects -- chooses what9 jurors are selected for the grand jury.

10 Q. The judge decides who the grand jurors11 are?12 A. I believe the ultimate decision is the13 judge decides it. I don't know if it's -- that14 it's based on a number system. I wasn't there for15 the whole process, and I apologize.16 I am not -- I'm not -- I haven't been17 involved in it for some time, so -- and we did it18 once in Luzerne County, so --19 Q. Has there only been one grand jury in20 Luzerne County -- in recent Luzerne County history21 during your tenure?22 A. Correct.23 Q. Okay. So I'm correct that there's no24 defense lawyer during grand jury proceedings or25 during the picking of a grand jury, correct?

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1 A. That's correct, because there aren't2 any cases that are before the grand jury. But I3 believe that the public is able to sit in and4 watch; I believe.5 Q. The public can sit in and watch the6 picking of the grand jury?7 A. The selection of jurors.8 Q. And you said that there's voir dire,9 which is, in other words, questions to the

10 potential grand jurors, correct?11 A. Correct.12 Q. So that voir dire or jury selection,13 the questions would only be posed by assistant14 district attorneys, correct?15 A. Correct.16 Q. And what is the purpose of that voir17 dire or those questioning by the assistant district18 attorneys?19 A. Well, I -- I think the whole point of20 it is really to emphasize the length of time.21 Because it could go for 18 months; that these22 individuals are able to serve for 18 months.23 And --24 Q. That's -- I'm sorry. That's not 1825 months every day, that's --




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1 A. Right. That's one day a month for2 18 months.3 Q. Okay.4 A. Or it could potentially be two days if5 there are many cases that are lined up to be in6 front of the grand jury.7 Q. So in any event, the assistant district8 attorneys get to question the potential grand9 jurors and help to choose who they think would be

10 appropriate or inappropriate, who they like or11 don't like for grand jury, correct?12 A. Well, I think that really is based on13 if they're available or able to serve. That's14 really the basis of their questioning. It's not15 specific to anything else. It's just their16 ability.17 So if they are able to serve, they are18 then place into the -- the group of jurors that can19 serve. And then ultimately, I believe it is, the20 judge selects the jurors that serve on -- out of21 that pool of jurors.22 Q. Are you saying that the only questions23 the assistant district attorneys ask of potential24 grand jurors are about their ability to serve and25 nothing else?

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1 A. I -- and that's my understanding of the2 whole thing. I don't know what else could be3 asked. Because like I said, there isn't a specific4 case in front of them. There aren't details that5 they could ask them. It's just about their ability6 to serve.7 Q. And where did you gain this8 understanding?9 A. From -- I -- I was there for a short

10 period of time during the jury selection.11 Q. During the grand -- oh, for the one12 grand jury that -- that Luzerne County had?13 A. Correct.14 Q. Did that grand jury look at any matter15 other than the Brian Hampel matter?16 MS. CRONIN: Objection. We -- any of17 these questions, I think we have to wait until18 the magistrate judge has ruled on the -- on the19 motion.20 MR. DYLLER: I'm not -- I'm not asking21 about any details. I just want to know if22 Brian Hampel's was the only case it looked at23 or if there was something else. I don't care24 what that other thing might be.25 MS. CRONIN: I have been told that the

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1 information as to how many cases were in front2 of it is something that they are bound by law3 not to release.4 MR. DYLLER: I think that's not5 accurate.6 MS. CRONIN: It may not be accurate.7 But as soon as we get a ruling from the judge,8 Stefanie is happy to answer those questions.9 MR. SOLOMON: Certainly she can answer

10 if there's been more than one. She doesn't11 have to say how many. She can certainly answer12 about more than one. That still leaves us with13 no information. Certainly she can answer that.14 MS. CRONIN: Does that make you15 uncomfortable?16 THE WITNESS: No. No.17 MS. CRONIN: Okay.18 BY MR. DYLLER:19 Q. Were there any other cases other than20 the Hamp -- that case for Mr. Hampel that the grand21 jury was looking at?22 A. Yes.23 Q. Now, I know you're the elected district24 attorney for Luzerne County, so am I correct that25 you're the -- the highest policy-maker for Luzerne

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1 County District Attorney's Office?2 A. Yes.3 Q. So you don't answer to the county4 manager, Mr. Pedri?5 A. No.6 Q. You don't answer to Luzerne County7 counsel?8 A. Well, if you want to say budget-wise, I9 may. But otherwise, no.

10 Q. They decide your budget. But in terms11 of policy decisions, that's you and you alone?12 A. Correct.13 Q. And no one in Luzerne County can14 override your policy decisions?15 A. Correct.16 Q. Is it your belief that an interview at17 a witness's home would be somehow grand jury18 protected if a grand jury has been impaneled?19 A. I can't answer that. I -- I don't20 quite understand.21 Q. Well, explain to me your understanding22 of grand jury secrecy.23 A. Anything presented in front of the24 grand jury is confidential.25 Q. So that if the grand jury is meeting




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1 once a month, but in between those meetings a2 detective went to someone's home to interview them3 to see if they would be a good witness, is it your4 understanding -- is it your belief that that5 interview or the report derived from it would be6 confidential or secret?7 A. The problem here is that if things come8 from the grand jury and we follow up on what comes9 from the grand jury, that's what makes it a little

10 complicated. So I don't know what exactly I can11 answer with regard to that. And I'm not familiar12 with it.13 MS. CRONIN: So that's the reason we're14 going to ask the -- she's not going to answer15 those questions until we get a ruling from16 the --17 MR. DYLLER: Well, I'm not asking her18 what happened. I'm asking her understanding of19 what is or is not secret.20 THE WITNESS: And that's -- that's my21 answer to you is that I don't know if -- say22 for instance, the question you're asking me,23 someone going to someone's home and24 interviewing them, is that part of the grand25 jury. That may have been derived from an

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1 interview or something from the grand jury that2 may have caused them to go and conduct the3 interview.4 So I don't know. And I believe that5 that may -- there's some type of secrecy with6 regard to that because I can't -- see, the7 grand jury is a confidential and highly8 secretive tool. So I don't want to violate any9 rule with regard to it.

10 BY MR. DYLLER:11 Q. So where did you derive your12 understanding of -- about what would or would not13 be secret?14 A. My understanding of the grand jury came15 from the training. And I -- that's why I would16 prefer a judge to make a decision as to what I can17 and cannot say with regard to the information that18 comes from the grand jury, because I don't want to19 make a misstep. I don't want to violate any laws20 with regard to the grand jury. That's -- I just21 want to be protected here.22 Q. So basically, you don't have a position23 one way or the other, but you want to make sure you24 don't -- just in case that you don't violate some25 rule?

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1 A. Correct. I just want to be protected2 in that regard.3 Q. So -- so I -- so it's your position as4 Stefanie Salavantis in your position as the Luzerne5 County District Attorney's Office that you just6 don't know if those interviews at someone's home or7 business would or would not be protected?8 A. Correct. Because if they are derived9 from -- if they were conducted because of

10 information that was received from the grand jury.11 Q. Right. So you're not -- you're not --12 you're basically saying you don't have a position,13 but you just want to be safe?14 A. Correct.15 Q. Okay. When this issue came up in this16 case, were you -- I'll assume but you can tell me17 -- that you are aware of the issue and that there's18 been some dispute about -- or concern about whether19 that information could be provided as part of this20 lawsuit, right?21 A. Can you clarify? What issue?22 Q. About whether information -- not -- not23 grand jury testimony, but other information learned24 while the grand jury happened to have been25 impaneled, whether that is or is not secret. And

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1 that's an issue -- I'm telling you, that's an issue2 in this case. And I'm just asking, you're aware3 that it's an issue in this case, right?4 A. Yes.5 Q. When you learned it became an issue,6 did you look at your -- the grand jury written7 materials you received during your training?8 A. No. Because I'm not a party to the9 case.

10 Q. Did you direct -- well, you're not --11 certainly not a defendant, but it does involve the12 Luzerne County District Attorney's Office. Did you13 not -- so -- but you did not look at your training14 materials?15 A. No.16 Q. Did you direct someone else to look at17 the training materials?18 A. No.19 Q. Do you know if Detectives Balogh or20 Parker looked at the training materials?21 A. No.22 Q. Do you know if any of the assistant23 district attorneys involved in the Brian Hampel24 matter looked at their training materials?25 A. No. I do not know.




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1 Q. Do you have any -- you -- you never had2 any discussion about let's see what the training3 materials reveal?4 A. No.5 Q. Does your office have any internal6 documents about the operation of the grand jury?7 Would you like me to clarify?8 A. No. I understand, and I'm just9 thinking about it. I do not believe that we

10 prepared any internal documents.11 Q. Nothing saying this is how we are to12 proceed with grand juries?13 A. No.14 Q. How is it decided within your office15 that we should impanel a grand jury?16 A. The lawyers in the office know if they17 potentially want to try to take a case before the18 grand jury; that they are to talk to the lawyers19 that are assigned that oversee the grand jury.20 They are aware of the requirements and know how the21 process works. So they work with the attorneys22 assigned and determine if it's a good case, if it's23 a case that can go through the grand jury.24 Q. But what kind of -- I mean, I know25 that, you know, the vast -- the majority of cases

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1 have nothing to do with the grand jury. So how is2 it decided what should be part of the grand jury3 process?4 A. There -- well, I wouldn't say that5 there's anything that should be. There may be a6 grand jury that's selected that we may not have any7 cases that would go through if we don't have any8 cases that qualify or we think that are appropriate9 for the grand jury.

10 Q. So that's what I'm asking. What would11 be appropriate for the grand jury, what type of12 cases?13 A. Going back to cases where it's an14 investigative tool; helping if witnesses are scared15 because they're scared of retaliation; if they're16 uncooperative, things of that nature.17 Q. Do you have to approve the impaneling18 of a grand jury?19 A. I sign off on it. I believe I am the20 one that signs off on the notice, a notice that21 goes, too.22 Q. So someone comes to you and says we23 have this potential case. We think the grand jury24 would been an appropriate tool. Would it be okay25 if we impanel a grand jury, and then you can say

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1 yes or no; is that fair?2 A. The question before when I said I agree3 -- I sign off, that's the initial signing off on a4 grand jury starting.5 Cases that go through the grand jury, I6 wouldn't say that there's a clear rule that I have7 to agree to it. I have assistant district8 attorneys assigned that assist with the grand jury.9 If they feel it's appropriate, I trust their

10 judgment. I do discuss certain cases with them11 that go through. I do discuss cases with law12 enforcement if they potentially want one of their13 investigations to go through because say a witness14 is scared of retaliation. We deal with that all15 the time. That -- and I will direct them to the16 ADA who oversees the grand jury.17 Q. Well, what is it you -- you said that18 you need to sign off on?19 A. Well, that's the initial -- like you20 said, the impaneling of a grand jury. Once a grand21 jury is impaneled, they're there --22 Q. Right.23 A. -- for 18 -- up to 18 months.24 Q. So -- but if there's no grand jury25 today -- and I don't know if there is or isn't.

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1 But if there's no grand jury today and an ADA2 thinks it would be a good idea, they have to come3 to you so you could approve it, correct?4 A. No.5 Q. No?6 A. No.7 Q. They could just do it on their own and8 leave you in the dark?9 A. A grand jury is every -- they know that

10 say -- I'm just throwing this up in the air. If11 there's one day a month, that that's the day that12 they may be in front of -- they will be there to13 serve as the grand jury.14 So if a case goes through to the ADA15 and they discuss it and they say, okay, we'll take16 this before, it then goes before the grand jury.17 Q. Is there always a grand jury in18 existence in Luzerne County since it began?19 A. No.20 Q. So what I'm saying is, if there is no21 grand jury right now, in order to impanel a grand22 jury to send out notices to gauge in that process,23 does that have to involve you?24 A. That has to involve me. That's the25 impaneling of an entire grand jury.




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1 Q. That was the only question.2 A. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. I thought you3 meant as individual cases go through.4 Q. Okay. During your tenure as the5 district attorney, has Detective Balogh ever been6 disciplined?7 A. Not that I recall.8 Q. During your tenure as district9 attorney, has Detective Parker ever been

10 disciplined?11 A. Not that I recall.12 Q. During your tenure as district13 attorney, has Assistant District Attorney Nancy14 Violi ever been disciplined?15 A. Not that I recall.16 Q. I know she's no longer there. But17 during your tenure as district attorney, was Assist18 -- during your tenure as district attorney, was19 Assistant District Attorney Jenny Roberts ever20 disciplined?21 A. Not that I recall.22 Q. Are you aware of whether Brian Coleman23 was ever disciplined?24 A. No.25 Q. How much were you apprised or kept

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1 informed of the grand jury proceedings that we're2 looking at, whether Brian Hampel had committed any3 crime?4 MS. CRONIN: I'm going to object to5 that. It's also part of the grand jury. It's6 -- it's all -- it's about --7 MR. DYLLER: That -- I'm asking whether8 she was informed of the details. I'm not9 asking the details yet. I'm asking whether she

10 was informed by the people who work for her11 about the details.12 MS. CRONIN: But what is that -- that13 -- that's pretty vague. What do you mean by14 details? What do you mean?15 BY MR. DYLLER:16 Q. Well, do the people -- do the people17 who work for you come and talk to you and say this18 is what happened in the grand jury today?19 A. Yes.20 Q. And did they do that each time the21 grand jury met and heard from witnesses?22 A. No.23 Q. And I'm talking about witnesses24 obviously only in the Hampel matter.25 Did you get to review the Criminal

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1 Complaint and Affidavit of Probable Cause that2 charged Brian Hampel with a crime?3 A. Yes.4 Q. And was that before he was charged?5 A. I believe so.6 Q. Do you know who drafted that Affidavit7 of Probable Cause?8 A. It would have been the detectives that9 were investigating.

10 Q. Okay. In this case, Charles Balogh and11 Debbie Parker?12 A. Correct.13 Q. I'm going to show you what was marked14 as -- previously marked as Plaintiff's Exhibit 1.15 Can you identify that for me, please?16 A. This is the Criminal Complaint filed17 against Brian David Hampel.18 Q. Okay. And I believe going -- you know,19 just going through it, it also includes the20 Affidavit of Probable Cause, correct?21 A. Correct.22 Q. And this is the Criminal Complaint,23 that Affidavit of Probable Cause, that you said you24 had seen prior to Mr. Hampel's arrest?25 A. Yes. I believe so; uh-huh.

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1 Q. And looking at the first page, I see2 that it was approved by ADA Nancy Violi.3 A. I'm assuming so. Right there4 (indicating)5 Q. Okay. When's the last time you read6 the Affidavit of Probable Cause? Did you read it7 in preparation for today?8 A. I wanted to, but I did not. I9 apologize.

10 Q. I'll tell what you. Why don't you just11 take a minute and read the Affidavit of Probable12 Cause, and then I may ask you some questions.13 A. (Reading.) Okay.14 Q. Okay. I see that the Affidavit of15 Probable Cause refers CO-1, CO-2 and CO-3. Do you16 see that?17 A. Yes.18 Q. Usually I see confidential witnesses19 referred to as either CW for witness or CI for20 confidential informant. What does CO mean?21 A. Honestly, I don't know. Each -- each22 investigator has their own way of writing them.23 And that's -- it's like a confidential inform -- a24 confidential witness. That's how I interpreted it.25 Q. I know what it means. I was -- I just




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1 didn't quite understand why CO.2 A. I know.3 Q. Okay. Were you informed about the4 identities of CO-1, CO-2 and CO-3?5 A. At some point, I know I was informed.6 Q. As we sit here today, do you know who7 they were?8 A. I couldn't tell you their names.9 Q. If I told you their names, would you --

10 would that help you?11 A. Maybe.12 Q. Okay. I will do that in a little bit.13 A. Okay.14 Q. Going to the last page and the last15 sentence, do you -- do you see that -- that last16 sentence of the Affidavit of Probable Cause says,17 This affidavit is based only on information that18 investigators believe is required to establish19 probable cause and does not include all information20 obtained by investigators?21 A. Yes.22 Q. Okay. Is that standard in the23 affidavits that your detectives prepare, that24 sentence?25 A. I've seen that in numerous affidavits.

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1 Like I said, each detective, each investigator has2 their own way of writing things. And this is one3 that I believe Charles Balogh does in his.4 Q. Does Charles Balogh do that in all of5 his Affidavits of Probable Cause?6 A. I couldn't tell you if he does it in7 all, but I've seen them in many.8 Q. In many that he wrote?9 A. Yeah.

10 Q. Okay. Do you think it's important that11 Charles Balogh or any other criminal investigator12 or detective who works for you include in the13 Affidavits of Probable Cause the information they14 have that it might indicate a person is not guilty15 of the crime they're charged with?16 A. Well, I don't believe that we would be17 charging the individual if we felt that there was18 any doubt that they were guilty of the crime.19 Q. But that wasn't the question. The20 question is, should the Affidavit of Probable Cause21 that's presented to a judge include information22 that indicates the person might not be guilty?23 A. I don't think it's necessary. I think24 as long as they meet, like I said, the Probable25 Cause Standard, that I think that's sufficient. I

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1 believe that, again, all investigators have a2 different way of writing their affidavits, and some3 may; some may not.4 Q. So it's not including information that5 might indicate a person to not be guilty? That's6 consistent with the way you run your office?7 MS. CRONIN: Objection to form.8 THE WITNESS: I wouldn't say that it's9 consistent with the way we run -- I run my

10 office. I would say that everybody has a11 different way of writing it.12 So when we review the affidavits that13 are prepared, as long as it meets that14 standard, that's sufficient.15 BY MR. DYLLER:16 Q. That's sufficient within the way you --17 the way that Luzerne County District Attorney's18 Office runs, correct?19 A. Based on my -- yes. Yes.20 Q. Okay. So if there's information that21 an eyewitness said it was someone else, that22 doesn't have to be included?23 A. No.24 Q. And you know, that's consistent with,25 you know, the policies, written or unwritten, of

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1 your DA's office?2 A. Again, there is no policy with regard3 to this.4 Q. Well, that's why I'm saying unwritten.5 A. Like I said, everybody -- everybody6 writes it differently. As long as -- when we7 review it as an attorney and we feel that there's8 enough probable cause, and knowing the information9 on the case, if we feel it's appropriate to file

10 it, then that's sufficient.11 Q. And if there were witnesses who said it12 didn't happen, as long as what is included in the13 Affidavit of Probable Cause indicates it might have14 happened, that's okay within the DA's office --15 within the Luzerne County DA's Office not to16 include information about the witnesses who said it17 did not happen?18 A. Well, there may be -- in situations,19 there may be reasons why they may have said that.20 So again, it all -- each case is very different.21 Q. But my question is, is it consistent22 with the way the Luzerne County D.A.'s Office23 permits Affidavits of Probable Cause to be written24 to not include information indicating the person25 might be not guilty?




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1 A. Again, there is no standard. There2 isn't a consistency. It's what's presented to us.3 As the lawyers in reviewing it, as long as there's4 enough probable cause and when the attorneys review5 it and know the details and what occurred during6 the investigation, that's sufficient.7 Q. Okay. So it's -- if what is included8 is sufficient to show probable cause, your office9 does not require additional information indicating

10 the person might not be guilty?11 A. No. They -- most of the time, they --12 or I should say -- I shouldn't speak for the13 attorneys reviewing the cases. But it's my14 understanding they know what's going on in each15 investigation. The lawyers inform them of their16 case, their investigation. And then they present17 them with the Affidavit of Probable Cause. As long18 as everything -- they feel comfortable with19 everything, that's sufficient.20 Q. That sufficient for what?21 A. To file the affidavit and Complaint and22 arrest warrant.23 Q. And include what they include and24 exclude what they exclude?25 A. Well, this isn't the full

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1 investigation. And whatever is presented at trial2 will be everything with regard to the3 investigation.4 Q. Okay. Let me -- let me -- when a case5 moves down, you know, progresses, you understand6 that the District Attorney's Office has an7 obligation to provide what's sometimes know as8 Brady material, right?9 A. Correct.

10 Q. Would you -- would you just define11 Brady material for us?12 A. Material that would be used -- that is13 information that could be used to help the defense.14 Q. So information that might show that the15 defendant might not be guilty, correct?16 A. Correct.17 Q. Or other -- or things that might show a18 witness to potentially be a lair? That would also19 be --20 A. Correct.21 Q. -- Brady material that's required to be22 disclosed?23 A. Correct.24 Q. Is it your -- the way your office runs25 that such material should -- known to the district

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1 attorney's office should not be included or need2 not be included in Probable Cause Affidavits?3 A. Again, I'm going to answer the same way4 as the -- what we learn through the investigation5 is the assistant district attorney signing off on6 it. And the detectives have their own way of7 writing their probable cause and the affidavits.8 Excuse me.9 Q. Okay. Well -- okay. I'm going to be

10 more specific with you.11 What is your understanding of what --12 of what Brian Hampel was charged with? And I don't13 mean what the name of the crime was. But what are14 the facts that allegedly constituted a crime?15 A. The one that he was charged with?16 Q. Yes.17 A. That he had inappropriate -- well, I'll18 just say it this way. He had inappropriate contact19 with a minor.20 Q. Inappropriate sexual contact with a21 minor?22 A. Correct.23 Q. Are you aware that that person who was24 alleged to be the minor involved said that it never25 happened?

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1 A. I'm aware that there was some type of2 discussion on that -- some type of discussion,3 excuse me, with the minor, but -- I don't know how4 much I could say.5 MS. CRONIN: Does -- if any of this6 imposes on -- impinges on the grand jury, we're7 not going to answer it.8 THE WITNESS: There are -- and there9 are other things that I can't say because

10 there's a grand jury. But what I can say is11 that I -- I am aware that there are12 conversations with the -- a conversation or13 conversations -- I don't know the specifics. I14 will tell you that -- with the victim.15 BY MR. DYLLER:16 Q. Okay. I'm going to show you what's17 been marked as Plaintiff's Exhibit 2. First, I'll18 just ask you if you've seen it before.19 A. Yes. I believe this is one of the20 documents that I was provided by my attorney.21 Q. Other than your attorney providing it22 to you, had you seen it before?23 A. I don't believe so.24 Q. Okay. And you see at the bottom, it's25 Bates-stamped with Luzerne County DA's number 0070




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1 (indicating)?2 A. Oh, yes. Yes. Sorry.3 Q. Do you understand that to mean that4 this was produced to us by the district attorney's5 office?6 A. Yes.7 Q. Okay. And looking at near the top, we8 can see that this is a -- a report by Detective9 Charles Balogh?

10 A. Correct.11 Q. And it concerns his January 2016 phone12 call with Jessica Musto?13 A. Yes. That's what this is in regard to.14 Q. And looking down, do you see a15 paragraph that starts, Musto adamantly?16 A. Yes.17 Q. And tell me if I read this correctly.18 Musto adamantly denied having any inappropriate19 relationship with Hampel. This reporting detective20 advised her that we had students come forward with21 information contradicting what she was telling me.22 Once again, Musto denied having a relationship with23 Hampel.24 Did I read that correctly?25 A. Yes.

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1 Q. Assuming that -- Jessica Musto to be2 the alleged victim involved, is this something that3 your office would require or not require to be4 included in the Affidavit of Probable Cause, that5 the alleged victim says it never happened?6 A. I wouldn't require -- I don't think it7 would be required --8 Q. Why?9 A. -- if there's other supporting

10 information that is proving that there was some11 type of inappropriate sexual contact.12 Q. What is the purpose of a Criminal13 Complaint and Affidavit of Probable Cause?14 A. To show that this person committed this15 crime.16 Q. And who -- who is -- who's it supposed17 to show it to?18 A. The magistrate that is -- that -- in19 that jurisdiction, the district judge. Sorry.20 They yell at me for saying magistrate.21 Q. Okay. And that district judge's job is22 to read the Affidavit of Probable Cause and decide23 that they think there is probable cause or they24 think there is not probable cause, correct?25 MS. CRONIN: Is that -- that's asking

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1 for a legal conclusion, right?2 MR. DYLLER: Yeah.3 BY MR. DYLLER:4 Q. Yeah. But is that your understanding?5 A. That's my understanding.6 Q. Then if the -- if the district judge7 determines based on what's only on -- what's8 written in the Affidavit of Probable Cause that9 they think there is probable cause, then they issue

10 an arrest warrant, correct?11 A. Correct.12 Q. And if they determine that there's not13 probable cause, then they are -- their job is to14 decline to issue a probable -- an arrest warrant,15 correct?16 A. Correct.17 Q. And is it your position that not all18 information has to be given to the magistrate or19 the district judge for them to determine in their20 mind if there is or is not probable cause?21 A. We just need enough information to be22 included in the affidavit to prove that we have23 enough to prove probable cause.24 Q. And you can exclude what you wish to25 exclude including that the alleged victim said it

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1 never happened?2 A. Um, we include what we think is3 important and relevant.4 Q. And you exclude what you think is not5 important or not helpful in establishing probable6 cause?7 A. I wouldn't say that.8 Q. Well, what would be the purpose of9 excluding that the alleged victim said it never

10 happened?11 A. That, you would have to ask the12 attorney who is assigned to it and the detectives.13 Q. But I'm asking you. You're in front of14 me. I'm asking you what would be the purpose of15 excluding the fact that the alleged victim says it16 never happened?17 A. Well, because there are individuals18 that came forward to say that it did happen. And19 this is an individual who is a teacher at the time.20 And he was having inappropriate sexual contact with21 a minor.22 Q. But what would be the purpose of23 excluding from the information given to the24 district judge that the victim said -- the alleged25 victim says this never happened? What's the




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1 purpose of excluding that information?2 A. There could be many reasons why to3 exclude it. If you go down on this supplemental4 narrative, it says that the father contacted the5 detective and explained that he's been through6 this. His daughter works and didn't want any7 negative publicity.8 So there were other reasons why she may9 be saying this and why she may be denying it. So

10 there could be other reasons why she's coming11 forward and saying that she -- that this never12 happened.13 Q. Well, let me ask you. If this case had14 gone forward, can we agree that this report and the15 information contained in it would be what we16 previously referred to as Brady material?17 A. Yes.18 Q. This would be information that would be19 helpful to the defense?20 A. It could be, yes.21 Q. It would be information that the22 defense could use to help establish that this never23 happened?24 A. Yes.25 Q. Did you think that the information that

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1 the alleged victim said this never happened would2 be something that a judge deciding whether to issue3 an arrest warrant might wish to consider?4 A. I don't know.5 Q. You don't know?6 A. That would be up to the judge deciding.7 Q. Is there a way for the judge deciding8 whether to issue an arrest warrant to take into9 account that the alleged victim said this never

10 happened if it's not disclosed to him?11 A. Obviously, he wouldn't be able to take12 it into account, because it's not in the affidavit.13 He doesn't get to see anything else.14 Q. And that's the purpose of excluding it,15 correct, so that --16 A. No.17 Q. -- the judge doesn't see it?18 A. No.19 Q. Then what is the purpose of excluding20 it?21 MR. FINNERTY: Objection. Asked and22 answered.23 BY MR. DYLLER:24 Q. You can go ahead.25 A. If the determination as to what to put

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1 into the Affidavit of Probable Cause was made by2 the detective and with the whole investigation --3 knowing the whole investigation and proceeding,4 that they felt that this was what they -- should be5 included in the arrest warrant.6 Q. And also what should be excluded from7 the arrest warrant, correct?8 A. What should -- I would say what should9 be included. You could take it either way, I

10 guess.11 Q. Okay. So this is information -- or I'm12 sorry. This is -- what should or should not be13 included in the Affidavit of Probable Cause, this14 information, that decision is something you have15 delegated down to the detectives?16 A. No. Again, this is something that for17 this specific case, there is an assistant district18 attorney assigned to the case who would review it19 and make the determination whether or not they --20 that they felt there was enough in there for -- to21 meet the standard of probable cause.22 Q. Is this -- is this -- what should or23 should not be included in the Affidavit of Probable24 Cause, is that something that you delegated down to25 the assistant district attorney in charge?

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1 A. Yes.2 Q. And in this case, who was that?3 A. Nancy Violi.4 THE WITNESS: Can -- can I have water?5 I'm sorry. Do you have --6 MR. DYLLER: Why don't we take a break.7 VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 10:44 a.m.8 We are off the record.9 * * *

10 (Whereupon, a recess was taken from11 10:44 a.m. until 10:45 a.m.)12 * * *13 VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 10:45 a.m.14 We are back on the record.15 BY MR. DYLLER:16 Q. Okay. So I know you said that17 Assistant District Attorney Nancy Violi was in18 charge of deciding what should or should not be19 included in the Affidavit of Probable Cause,20 correct?21 A. Correct.22 Q. As you sit here today, you know that23 ADA Violi apparently determined not to include in24 the Affidavit of Probable Cause that the alleged25 victim said it never happened, right?




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1 A. Well, it's not in the affidavit, so2 obviously, that wasn't included in the Probable3 Cause Affidavit.4 Q. Is it your position as the elected5 district attorney that that was an appropriate6 decision?7 A. I trust her judgment on the case8 knowing the full investigation and what was9 determined through the investigation and what they

10 had. I trust her judgment in what she believed was11 sufficient for the affidavit.12 Q. Well, I'm less interested in what was13 sufficient as -- as opposed to what was excluded.14 Is it your position that she acted15 appropriately within the way you run the district16 attorney's office by excluding the information that17 the alleged victim said it never happened?18 MS. CRONIN: Object to the form.19 Mischaracterizing her -- her previous20 testimony.21 BY MR. DYLLER:22 Q. And that's why I'm asking.23 A. I -- I -- again, I trust her judgment24 on it and whatever was believed to be important25 enough to put in the Probable Cause Affidavit.

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1 That was her decision -- and I would stand by it --2 Q. Okay.3 A. -- based on her knowledge. And this is4 going back to I don't know the specifics. She knew5 it. It was based on her knowledge of the6 investigation.7 Q. But even today you stand by Ms. Violi's8 decision?9 A. Yes.

10 Q. And by Detectives Balogh's and Parker's11 decision about what to include and what to exclude,12 correct?13 A. I stand by the affidavit, yes.14 Q. And by all the people who work for you15 who made the decisions what to include and what to16 exclude, correct?17 A. Yes.18 Q. Were they -- the decisions they made19 were consistent with the way that the Luzerne20 County District Attorney's office is run?21 A. Yes.22 Q. And you have no -- the district23 attorney's office does not have any policies,24 whether written or otherwise -- well, I'll strike25 that.

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1 So going back to Plaintiff's Exhibit 1,2 which is the Criminal Complaint and Affidavit of3 Probable Cause, and again, the last page, please.4 And again, we were looking at the last sentence5 which says that the affidavit is based only on6 information investigators believe is required to7 establish cause; it does not include all8 information obtained by investigators.9 Do you understand that to mean, among

10 other things, that it excluded the information that11 the alleged victim said it never happened?12 A. No. I understand it to mean that this13 is what they put in the affidavit, and there's14 other information that -- that they have on the15 investigation.16 Q. Whether it shows guilt or innocence,17 they have other information?18 A. They have other information with regard19 to the investigation.20 Q. And such a sentence in an Affidavit of21 Probable Cause written by one of your detectives is22 again, consistent with the way the Luzerne County23 District Attorney's Office is run, correct?24 A. Again, this is an affidavit written25 by a detective who -- he has his own style of

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1 writing. It is something that has been included in2 other affidavits, so yes.3 Q. Okay. I'm just going to show you what4 has been marked as Plaintiff's Exhibit 3. It's --5 it's two-sided, by the way, but they're pretty6 similar.7 So on the first page, which at the8 bottom says five --9 A. Yes.

10 Q. -- am I correct this is a job11 description of -- that you put out in the Luzerne12 County Legal Register for a full-time assistant13 district attorney?14 A. Correct.15 Q. And going to the back, this -- am I16 correct this is an advertisement you put out in the17 Luzerne County Legal Register for a part-time18 assistant district attorney, correct?19 A. Correct.20 Q. The job descriptions for part-time and21 full time were basically the same, correct?22 A. Correct.23 Q. So who wrote this job description?24 A. I believe I may have.25 Q. Okay.




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1 A. I'm sorry. There's so much that goes2 on in the office that I -- it could've been me. It3 could've been my first assistant. It could've been4 my deputy. We handle these things on a regular5 basis, so...6 Q. Okay. I'm looking where you said7 summary.8 A. Uh-huh.9 Q. And I'm really looking at the second

10 sentence that starts with the word involvement. Do11 you see that?12 A. Yes.13 Q. And am I correct that says involvement14 in the cases assigned to the ADA begins with the15 initial stages of the investigation and continues16 through all stages of the investigation and17 prosecution up to and including the sentencing and18 any post-sentence motions, correct?19 A. Correct.20 Q. What is the ADA's -- assistant district21 attorney's role in the initial stages of the22 investigation?23 A. We have ADAs that are assigned weekly.24 They're on duty 24/7 during those periods. They --25 if an officer calls and has any questions regarding

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1 say a case, an investigation charge, if this is2 appropriate, they would assist them through that.3 That's what I would consider involvement in the4 initial stages.5 Q. Okay. And with regard to the grand6 jury, is also -- at least, an investigating grand7 jury, are the ADAs involved -- involved in the8 investigation?9 A. Not necessarily.

10 Q. Well, when you have an investigating11 grand jury, am I correct no one has been charged12 with a crime yet?13 A. Correct.14 Q. So what is the ADA's purpose in an15 investigating grand jury?16 A. Are you talking about an ADA that's17 assigned to the grand jury or ADA assigned to the18 case? Because not all cases may have an ADA. And19 so say an officer has a case that is just a drug20 case, a delivery case, an ADA may not be assigned21 to it but they may go to the ADA assigned to the22 grand jury and say I would like to put my case23 through because I want the cooperation of this24 individual. Or this witness is scared of25 retaliation, so I'd like to get their testimony

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1 through the investigative grand jury.2 Q. Okay. Well, when -- when -- when3 there's an investigative grand jury, the ADA4 questioning witnesses, is that person acting as an5 investigator?6 A. No. I wouldn't say so.7 Q. Well, they're not acting -- they're not8 prosecuting a crime, are they?9 A. No.

10 Q. What are they doing?11 A. Well, that's their role in a grand12 jury. So the requirements are that the ADA13 assigned to the grand jury is the one that's14 questioning. So they're still in a prosecutor's15 role -- that's my understanding -- through the16 training with the grand jury.17 Q. Well, how are they in a prosecutor's18 role is they're -- no one's charged with a crime19 and they're not prosecuting anyone?20 A. I don't know. You're going to have to21 ask who developed the investigative grand jury.22 These are the requirements of the investigative23 grand jury. So through the training, that's -- the24 ADAs are the one -- the assigned ADA is the one25 that questions individuals. And that's just what's

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1 required of them.2 Q. And they're -- am I correct that3 they're investigating whether a crime was or was4 not committed, correct?5 A. I guess you can interpret it that way.6 Q. Well, it's not -- well, I understand7 that grand juries more often than not indict, but8 it's not a requirement that a grand jury indict,9 correct?

10 A. Correct.11 Q. So that there is no crime and the ADA12 is investigating through witnesses whether there13 was or was not a crime?14 MS. CRONIN: Object to the form.15 BY MR. DYLLER:16 Q. Is that right?17 A. Yeah.18 Q. And then if -- if the grand jury19 ultimately indicts, then criminal -- only then are20 criminal charges filed, right?21 A. No. It's a tool for law enforcement22 and the -- the -- the case, the investigation on23 this case. It's -- I think we're getting confused24 here.25 Investigating grand jury is a tool for




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1 law enforcement. So if -- say, for instance, an2 individual is scared of retaliation so they don't3 want to publically give their statement, they go in4 front of a grand jury knowing that it's secretive.5 That -- that then, the interview or --6 the information, I should say, that comes out of7 the grand jury can be used for the investigation8 and potential charges down the road by law9 enforcement. An ADA doesn't have to be assigned to

10 the case.11 Q. I see. So that -- just as in the12 normal case, a police officer might interview13 witnesses and prepare a police report, in certain14 cases, the assistant district attorney will15 basically be asking the questions in front of a16 grand jury to elicit whatever information they can?17 A. Correct.18 Q. And then if that information indicates19 a crime, perhaps a police officer or detective20 might then go through the normal process and21 prepare a Criminal Complaint?22 A. Correct.23 Q. So that the ADA and the grand jury --24 the investigative grand jury is helping in the25 investigation to learn what a witness has to say?

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1 A. Yes. And then that ultimately is the2 point of an investigative grand jury.3 Q. Okay. And then that assistant district4 attorney may have nothing to do with prosecuting5 the person?6 A. Correct.7 Q. So they're, in essence, assisting a8 police officer or a detective in learning9 information a witness might have?

10 MS. CRONIN: Objection to the form.11 BY MR. DYLLER:12 Q. Correct?13 A. I -- I would say so, yes, based on the14 standards provided through grand jurors.15 Q. Okay. And it's -- it's the equivalent16 of a police officer talking to a witness and17 preparing a report except that it's done in this18 other way to provide a level of secrecy to the19 witness?20 MS. CRONIN: Object to the form.21 THE WITNESS: Yes.22 BY MR. DYLLER:23 Q. What is the process when the24 investigative grand jury is converted to an25 indicted grand jury?

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1 A. You have to file a Notice -- you have2 to file a Notice with the judge that you want an3 indicting grand jury.4 Q. What is the -- what is the information5 that the Notice must include?6 A. Information on the case.7 Q. That we've determine X, Y and Z facts8 and we think it would be appropriate to have an9 indicted grand jury?

10 A. I -- I believe so.11 Q. Why would -- just practically, why12 would your office wish to have an indicting grand13 jury as opposed to learning whatever information14 you can through the investigative grand jury and15 then the preparation of a criminal complaint?16 A. I'm just making sure it's appropriate17 to answer. Because this isn't specific to any case18 that went through the grand jury. I would -- my19 understanding would be that most of the information20 is presented through -- is going to be presented21 through the grand jury. So it's not just to have22 this individual cooperate. It's -- the entire case23 is really presented in front of them. So it's24 better to have -- to convert it to an indicting.25 Q. But I'm wondering why would in some

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1 cases it would be converted to an indicting grand2 jury and in other cases, the information would3 simply be used by a law enforcement officer to4 prepare a Criminal Complaint.5 So I'm wondering why would the choice6 be made one way or the other way.7 A. Again --8 MS. CRONIN: If you know.9 THE WITNESS: I would say in certain

10 cases you'd only have one individual who, like11 I said, is scared of retaliation. So they want12 the secrecy of the grand jury. In other cases,13 you're presenting the case to the grand jury.14 BY MR. DYLLER:15 Q. Okay.16 A. That's my understanding.17 Q. Okay. So it's -- it's your view that18 Detectives Balogh and Parker were consistent with19 the way the Luzerne County District Attorney's20 Office works by not including that Jessica Musto21 said it never happened?22 MS. CRONIN: Asked and answered.23 Objection.24 THE WITNESS: It is my opinion that our25 office handled -- filed the Affidavit of




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1 Probable Cause including what they needed to2 knowing the investigation at hand.3 BY MR. DYLLER:4 Q. And excluding what they didn't need?5 A. If you want to say that; including6 could be the same as excluding.7 Q. They made choices about what to include8 and what not to include, correct?9 A. As we do with all cases.

10 Q. Who's the "we", Luzerne County DA's11 Office?12 A. Correct.13 Q. If I said the word Matthew Cienciva, is14 that one of the corroborating witnesses?15 A. I think so. Sorry. I --16 Q. That's okay.17 A. I just am not too familiar with the18 specifics on the case.19 Q. I'm going to show you what was marked20 as -- I'm going to show you two documents21 simultaneously, Plaintiff's Exhibit 4 and22 Plaintiff's Exhibit 5. You can look -- I mean, you23 could look at whatever you want, but I'm going to24 ask you to look at 4 first and then 5.25 A. Okay.

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1 Q. You could read the whole thing. I'm2 going to point you to like a specific paragraph.3 A. Oh, then that's fine.4 Q. So first of all, in Plaintiff's Exhibit5 4, let's just identify what it is. Am I correct6 that this is a report prepared by Detective Charles7 Balogh about his January 15, 2016 interview of8 Matthew Cienciva?9 A. Yes.

10 Q. Okay. And it's your belief that11 Matthew Cienciva is one of the confidential12 witnesses referred to in the Affidavit of Probable13 Cause?14 A. Yes.15 Q. Okay. I'm going to refer you to a16 paragraph in the middle of the report, this one.17 It's -- and let's just read -- I'm going to read it18 out loud and you can confirm if I read it19 correctly.20 Cienciva stated that Matthew J.21 Osmanski, graduated 2004, CHS, would drive Hampel22 and Musto around. Osmanski was best friends with23 Vince McClosky who was dating Musto during high24 school. Cienciva stated that "around," means to25 parties, bars, at the Hampel's house.

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1 And the last part says Cienciva stated2 that Hampel may have had a suspended license at the3 time from a DUI. I read that correctly?4 A. Yes.5 Q. Okay. So in that paragraph, Cienciva6 is saying that Matthew Osmanski was driving7 Mr. Hampel and Jessica Musto around, correct?8 A. Correct.9 Q. Okay. Now, I'd like you to go to

10 Plaintiff's Exhibit 5, please. Do you see this is11 also a report by Detective Balogh?12 A. Correct.13 Q. And this was January 18, 2016, right?14 A. Yes; January 19th.15 Q. It's January 19th?16 A. Sorry. It could be 8. It could be 9.17 Q. Right. Okay. January 18th or 19,18 which is two or three --19 A. You're -- I think you're right, 18, but20 that looked like a 9. Sorry.21 Q. You're right. So it looks like22 Detective Balogh was a little inconsistent when he23 says he wrote the report on January 18th about24 something that happened on January 19th. I think25 we can agree that couldn't have happened?

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1 A. That's correct. He probably just made2 an error there.3 Q. Okay. In any event, it's two or three4 days after his report about his conversation with5 Matthew Cienciva, right, looking back at6 Plaintiff's Exhibit 4?7 A. Oh, 4; yes.8 Q. He wrote that that happened on January9 15th?

10 A. Correct.11 Q. And then a few days later, he talks to12 Osmanski, right?13 A. Correct.14 Q. And going to the next to the last15 paragraph of this report, tell me if read this16 correctly. I did speak with Osmanski via phone who17 stated that he heard I've been rude to some of his18 friends and they didn't like my attitude.19 Osmanski denied ever driving Hampel or20 Musto around in Hampel's or his own car. Did I21 read that accurately?22 A. Yes.23 Q. So taking the two reports together, it24 sounds like Matthew Cienciva, the confidential25 witness, said something about Osmanski which




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1 Osmanski directly denied, correct?2 A. Yes.3 Q. Is that something that should have been4 included in the Affidavit of Probable Cause, that5 witnesses were directly contradicting the6 confidential witness?7 A. This is where this gets confusing.8 Because there were many witnesses that were saying9 the same thing and were directed to -- in my

10 understanding, were directed to say the same thing,11 that -- that people were being rude to them and12 they were becoming uncooperative.13 So that was a common theme amongst a14 lot of these witnesses. So I would not believe15 that that would be included because you didn't know16 what to believe as you were interviewing them.17 Q. Was it a common theme among witnesses18 that detectives were being rude to them?19 A. It was a common theme that they would20 be -- my understanding, and this is my21 understanding and this was a while ago -- but --22 that they were uncooperative and gave excuses as23 why they didn't want to provide much detail to the24 officers.25 Q. Although according to this report,

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1 Osmanski did give details. He said, this never2 happened. I never drove Musto or Hampel around,3 correct?4 A. Correct.5 Q. And that contradicts what confidential6 witness Matthew Cienciva said, correct?7 A. Correct.8 Q. And the fact that the confidential9 witness statement contained in the Affidavit of

10 Probable Cause is contradicted by a witness, was11 that not important to indicate -- to put into the12 Affidavit of Probable Cause so that the district13 judge could have a full understanding about the14 reliability and trustworthiness of the confidential15 witnesses?16 A. Again, I -- I left that judgment to the17 attorney assigned to the case and the18 investigators, the detectives that were assigned19 and what they felt was relevant to put in and based20 on their investigation. They have the knowledge of21 exactly who they were interviewing and what they22 were stating and the belief of why. That was the23 information they thought was important to put in24 the affidavit. So I trusted that judgment.25 Q. As you sit here today, do you still

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1 trust that judgement to exclude the information2 that Matthew Cienciva was directly contradicted by3 a witness?4 A. I would support their judgment call.5 Q. As you sit here today, do you support6 that judgement call?7 A. Yes.8 Q. As the elected district attorney of9 Luzerne County, the highest policy maker for the

10 Luzerne County District Attorney's Office, you11 trust the judgement call to exclude the information12 that the -- that contradicted the confidential13 witness?14 A. I trust and I agree with what was put15 in the affidavit, that they felt was relevant based16 on their knowledge of the investigation and what17 they thought would meet the probable cause18 standard.19 Q. And that trust included their decision20 to exclude the information that the confidential21 witness was contradicted by the person who he was22 speaking about, correct?23 MS. CRONIN: Object to the form.24 MR. SOLOMON: Objection. Asked and25 answered.

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1 BY MR. DYLLER:2 Q. Am I correct?3 A. I would agree with what was put in the4 affidavit. And like I said, I trust why they put5 what they did in the affidavit.6 Q. And do you --7 A. And if they excluded things or8 didn't -- I would say didn't include things, there9 was a reason for it. So I would trust their

10 judgement call on it.11 Q. As you sit here today, you agree with12 -- or you have no -- you're not disputing their13 judgment on it?14 A. Correct.15 Q. Do you know what that judgment was16 based on?17 A. The knowledge through the18 investigation.19 Q. And the knowledge through the20 investigation that Detective Balogh and Detective21 Parker and ADA Violi and ADA Roberts and ADA22 Coleman had included that the confidential witness23 talked about things that were directly contradicted24 by Osmanski and Jessica Musto, correct?25 MR. FINNERTY: Objection. Asked and




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1 answered.2 THE WITNESS: Yes.3 BY MR. DYLLER:4 Q. And you still stand by their judgment?5 MR. FINNERTY: Objection. Asked and6 answered.7 MS. CRONIN: Asked and answered.8 BY MR. DYLLER:9 Q. Correct?

10 A. I stand by their judgment based on11 their knowledge of what they knew through the12 investigation.13 Q. Before I show you a document, do you14 know who Cindy Zieberski or Cindy Gavin is?15 Zieberski being her maiden name.16 A. That was in this one? Is it17 Ms. Zieberski?18 Q. Yes.19 A. I'm sorry. I just read it in the20 Exhibit 4.21 Q. Okay.22 A. The teacher --23 Q. Correct.24 A. -- that was dating Hampel.25 Q. Correct. Show me where in Exhibit 4

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1 it's located, please.2 A. According to -- everyone knew Hampel3 was dating Ms. Zieberski.4 Q. Thank you.5 A. You're welcome.6 Q. Looking at Plaintiff's Exhibit 4, let's7 read that paragraph, too. And again, we're reading8 what Detective Balogh wrote recanting what Matthew9 Cienciva told him, correct?

10 A. Correct.11 Q. It says, according to Cienciva,12 everyone knew that Hampel was dating Ms. Zieberski.13 He recalls Hampel and Zieberski fighting, but14 didn't know why.15 Cienciva remembers a time while in16 Hampel's class when Zieberski comes into the17 classroom and she was visibly upset. Words were18 exchanged between the two, and Zieberski stormed19 out of the room. Hampel followed behind her when20 he stopped Hampel in -- when he stopped Hampel in21 the hallway and told him that it's not worth it.22 Cienciva was under the impression that Mr. Meehan23 liked Zieberski and is the one who told her that24 Hampel was having a sexual relationship with Musto.25 Did I read that all correctly?

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1 A. Yes.2 Q. Okay. So again, that's what now3 confidential witness Matthew Cienciva told Balogh,4 correct?5 A. Correct; based on this report.6 Q. Right. Okay. Now I'm going to show7 you Plaintiff's Exhibit 6. And I'm really looking8 at this part over here in the middle.9 A. Okay. I'm sorry. I didn't know you

10 guys were all waiting for me.11 Q. No. You can take your time -- take12 your time reading it. That's appropriate.13 That middle part that I asked -- that I14 directed your attention to --15 A. Right.16 Q. -- that is Detective Balogh's report17 about his interview with that teacher, Cindy18 Zieberski, who at this time was married, so she's19 Cindy Zieberski-Gavin, correct?20 A. I -- oh, there it is. Yes. You're21 right.22 Q. And going down to the paragraph that23 starts Zieberski advised, do you see that?24 A. Yes.25 Q. Do you see it says Zieberski advised

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1 investigators that there never was -- was a blowout2 conversation with Hampel while in school.3 Zieberski stated that she would have never left her4 classroom unattended.5 Do you see that?6 A. Yes.7 Q. That's another thing that contradicts8 corroborating witness Matthew Cienciva, correct?9 A. Yes, it does.

10 THE WITNESS: Is -- is there any way11 that I could have a private conversation with12 my attorney --13 MR. DYLLER: Sure.14 THE WITNESS: -- for one minute?15 MR. DYLLER: Sure. Hold -- just hold16 on a second so we can go off the record.17 VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 11:16 a.m.18 We are now off the record.19 * * *20 (Whereupon, a recess was taken from21 11:16 a.m. until 11:28 a.m.)22 * * *23 VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 11:28 a.m.24 We're back on the record.25 MR. DYLLER: Okay. Are you ready to




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1 continue?2 THE WITNESS: Yes.3 BY MR. DYLLER:4 Q. Okay. So when we left off, I think we5 identified that the teacher, Ms. Zieberski, now6 known as Ms. Zieberski-Gavin, told Detective Balogh7 that what Matthew Cienciva said was not true,8 correct?9 A. And -- and based on what you read, yes.

10 But there -- if I recall correctly, there were some11 reasons for why this statement was given and12 different from what we expected.13 Q. Would you elaborate and tell me what14 you're talking about?15 A. I don't feel comfortable right now16 elaborating because of the outstanding decision by17 the judge, the grand jury. But I did want to say18 something. So I'm going to leave it like that.19 Q. You understand I may have to call you20 back after that judge makes a decision?21 A. Yes. I understand that.22 Q. Okay. So in any event, what we've23 looked at right now are at least three witnesses;24 Jessica Musto, Mr. Osmanski and Ms. Zieberski. All25 contradict what confidential witness Matthew

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1 Cienciva said, correct?2 A. Based on what's in the reports, yeah.3 Q. And based on what's in the reports4 prepared by Detective Balogh?5 A. Correct.6 Q. And we know that those -- at least7 three witnesses contradicting the confidential8 witness, none of that information was included in9 the Affidavit of Probable Cause, right?

10 A. Correct.11 Q. And again, that's consistent with how12 you believe Detective Balogh and the people -- the13 assistant DAs working with him should -- consistent14 with how you view they should have constructed the15 Affidavit of Probable Cause by excluding16 information that at least three witnesses had17 contradicted the confidential witness?18 A. Again, I support their decision when19 moving forward with the Affidavit of Probable Cause20 after their review, their understanding of the21 investigation, all aspects of the investigation,22 not just these reports.23 Q. When you say you stand by their24 judgment, that's because it was consistent with the25 way you run your office, correct?

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1 A. It's consistent with how I believe --2 my trust in the attorneys in believing that that3 was appropriate in filing the charge.4 Q. As we sit here today, do you think that5 the attorneys or the detectives exercised6 inappropriate judgment in excluding information7 that multiple witnesses contradicted the8 confidential witness?9 A. I would say, no. Because I trust --

10 again, I trust their judgment. They were privy to11 all of the information for the investigation. They12 filed a probable cause. This was not the trial.13 All of that information would be provided through14 discovery through everything that would be needed15 to lead up to trial and take place at trial.16 So I trusted their -- I trust their17 judgment in filing this affidavit and meeting the18 standard of probable cause.19 Q. And you trust their judgment in20 deciding what information to provide to the -- the21 magistrate or district judge who would decide22 whether or not to issue an arrest warrant?23 A. As I do with all other cases, I trust24 that attorneys when they review those cases in25 making sure that they meet the standard.

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1 Q. And in this case as well, you trust2 their judgment about what they chose to include and3 what they chose to exclude, correct?4 MS. CRONIN: Asked and answered.5 THE WITNESS: Yes.6 BY MR. DYLLER:7 Q. Again, I'm still on Plaintiff's8 Exhibit 6. Now I'm at the top. Do you see that9 it's Detective Balogh talking about an interview

10 with Paige Evans?11 A. Yes.12 Q. Do you see the last sentence of that13 part of the report? It says Evans further stated14 that she felt she was being harassed by15 investigators?16 A. Yes, I do.17 Q. Did that concern you that some18 witnesses were saying they were being harassed by19 investigators? Others said that they thought the20 investigators were being rude. Did that concern21 you?22 A. No. I never received any formal23 complaint from anyone stating that anybody in my24 office was harassing them or treating them with25 disrespect, so no.




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1 Q. Well, when did you learn that -- that2 witnesses were saying that they were being treated3 rudely or being harassed?4 A. I can't state that based on the judge's5 order.6 Q. Well, you -- you've seen the reports7 that we've looked at so far. Have you -- correct?8 A. Yes. These reports.9 Q. And have you investigated within your

10 office whether people were treating witnessing11 rudely or aggressively?12 A. Again, I've never received a complaint13 personally as the district attorney that anybody in14 my office has treated anybody with disrespect with15 regard to this or was acting in a harassing manner.16 Q. Well, isn't this information that17 Balogh himself wrote that he felt that she felt --18 Paige Evans felt that she was being harassed by the19 investigators? Isn't that information that came to20 your attention?21 A. That I'm reading today. I -- again,22 this is a fine line, and I need the Courts to23 decide what I can and cannot state.24 Q. I'm not -- I'm not asking --25 A. And -- and -- and believe me, I want

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1 you to understand. I don't want to intertwine what2 I heard during certain proceedings and stated. So3 that's -- and -- sorry.4 Q. You've seen this report before today,5 correct?6 A. I saw it a few days ago.7 Q. Was that the first time you saw it?8 A. I believe so.9 Q. Does it concern you as we're looking at

10 reports today that multiple witnesses are saying11 that your investigators or detectives are harassing12 or acting inappropriately?13 A. Again, I cannot answer that. I need a14 Court to -- because there's -- this is a very15 confusing situation, because there is so much16 pertaining to the grand jury and what was stated in17 the grand jury and things that pertain to the grand18 jury testimony.19 I don't want to take a position,20 because I just want to be safe here.21 Q. Are you saying you don't think you can22 answer whether you took -- made an internal23 investigation or looked at whether your people who24 work for you were acting inappropriately, rudely or25 harassing people? You think you -- you think that

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1 that might be protected by the grand jury secrecy?2 A. No. I think I answered that by stating3 I never received any complaints of anyone in my4 office harassing anyone, treating them rudely;5 never did I receive them.6 What's in the reports, I saw a couple7 of days ago. But everything else is information8 that may have come from a confidential source. And9 what was said there, what wasn't, I -- I just -- I

10 just don't feel comfortable talking about it at11 this point.12 Q. Okay.13 I'm going to show you what's been14 marked as Plaintiff's Exhibit 7. My first question15 will be, have you seen this before?16 A. Yes. Yes.17 Q. Other than going over it with your18 attorney, have you seen it before?19 A. Yes. I believe -- I believe so.20 Q. Okay. So this is a letter dated21 September 8, 2016 on letterhead of the Dyller Law22 Firm. And looking at the second page, it's signed23 by Attorney Shelley Centini, correct?24 A. Yes. This isn't what I thought -- I do25 not know if I actually saw this.

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1 Q. Well, why don't you read it and maybe2 that will refresh you.3 A. Okay. (Reading.) Okay.4 Q. Other than the last few days going over5 this with your attorney, had you seen this before?6 A. I will tell you that I did not go over7 this with my attorney. And I -- I don't know if I8 reviewed this information -- this documentation.9 Q. Were you aware of it in any form?

10 A. I do know that there was correspondence11 between all of the attorneys for all of the12 witnesses. And -- correspondence meaning13 communication in some form or another with our14 office as well because I believe -- and -- and I15 don't know if I could even say. There are numerous16 attorneys that I know were involved and some being17 part of this firm as well.18 Q. Okay. And --19 A. And Shelly, obviously, being one of20 them.21 Q. Right; Ms. Centini.22 Multiple witnesses subpoenaed to the23 grand jury felt the need to hire their own24 attorneys?25 A. I guess so.




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1 Q. How many witnesses called to the grand2 jury had -- had their own attorneys merely as3 witnesses?4 A. I don't know if I can answer that.5 MS. CRONIN: That will -- that has to6 wait.7 MR. SOLOMON: And still, we're talking8 about substance versus procedure; procedure,9 what happened, who was there. We're not asking

10 names. We're asking very general questions.11 The substance is protected.12 MR. DYLLER: It may or may not be.13 MR. SOLOMON: Right. But this is14 going way beyond.15 MS. CRONIN: It may or may not be.16 MR. DYLLER: But this isn't substance.17 MS. CRONIN: Well, other -- procedure18 and substance can go together.19 MR. SOLOMON: But if they had a lawyer,20 the lawyer's not even permitted to be in the21 room.22 THE WITNESS: I'll make this easy. I23 don't know.24 BY MR. DYLLER:25 Q. Okay. Okay. So this letter,

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1 Plaintiff's Exhibit 7, concerns a witness2 subpoenaed before the grand jury, Paige Evans,3 correct?4 A. Yes.5 Q. And that's the same witness we were6 just talking about in Plaintiff's Exhibit 6 who7 indicated that she felt she was being harassed by8 investigators, correct?9 A. Yes. Yes.

10 Q. In looking at the bottom of the page on11 the first page of Plaintiff's Exhibit 7 going into12 the second page, do you see that Attorney Centini13 wrote, on September 2, 2016, I contacted ADA Jenny14 Roberts to inquire as to how Ms. Evans can assist15 the investigation given that she has no information16 about Mr. Hampel. ADA Roberts advised that17 Ms. Evans "can stop being such a bitch" and18 referred me to you -- and that "you" being19 Ms. Violi -- for further discussion. Do you see20 that?21 A. Yes.22 Q. Does it concern you that one of your23 assistant district attorneys was indicating that a24 person who said she had no information was being a25 bitch?

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1 A. I -- and I will say that I don't -- and2 I know it comes from Shelly Centini, but I don't3 believe that. Jenny Roberts has never as -- in my4 time as district attorney, acted in that way ever5 that I have ever recalled.6 So to read that was a major shock,7 because I have never experienced her to be so8 disrespectful. So I -- honestly, I don't believe9 it.

10 Q. Do you know that no letter or testimony11 or anything else was ever said or provided to say12 no, that's not true, you've misstated something?13 A. I -- I don't know any -- I don't know14 if there was a telephone conversation. I -- I15 don't know.16 Q. If someone said about you that you had17 said such a thing and you knew it was not true,18 would you write a letter disputing it?19 A. There would be numerous --20 MS. CRONIN: Object to the form.21 THE WITNESS: I would probably call22 that individual, especially being an attorney23 as another attorney out of respecting calling24 and saying this is inaccurate.25 BY MR. DYLLER:

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1 Q. Is this the first time you've seen this2 letter in that Ms. Centini wrote that Jenny Roberts3 said that Ms. Evans should stop being such a bitch?4 A. I don't recall ever seeing anything5 like that. That would stick out in my mind.6 Q. Now, I know that Ms. Roberts no longer7 works for you, so I guess you can't investigate8 that --9 A. Correct.

10 Q. -- within your office?11 A. Correct. She's with the Federal U.S.12 Attorneys Office.13 Q. Do you see -- the next paragraph in the14 letter, do you see the third line down in that15 first full paragraph Centini wrote to Nancy Violi,16 you told me that Ms. Evans should stop trying to17 protect Mr. Hampel and start worrying about18 protecting herself? Do you see that?19 A. Yes.20 Q. Do you have any reason to believe that21 that is false?22 A. I don't even understand what that23 means. I will tell you -- because I don't know24 what start protecting herself -- she wasn't under25 investigation, so I -- I don't understand this.




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1 Q. Are you aware that your assistant2 district attorneys and your detectives were3 threatening Ms. Evans and other women with charging4 them with crimes if they did not testify as the5 detectives wanted within -- to the grand jury?6 A. I was never --7 MR. FINNERTY: Object to the form.8 THE WITNESS: I was never informed of9 any type of threat made to anyone with regard

10 to my detectives and the ADAs.11 BY MR. DYLLER:12 Q. Go down a couple of lines where it says13 you told. Do you see that (indicating)?14 A. Oh, yes.15 Q. Do you see that she wrote, you told me16 that the DA's office would not concern itself with17 the fact that Ms. Evans denied being victimized by18 Mr. Hampel during her statement to detectives, but19 if she lied about it in front of the grand jury,20 Ms. Evans would be prosecuted? Do you see that?21 A. I do see that in the letter.22 Q. Do you understand that to be a threat?23 A. The way Shelley Centini wrote it, yes.24 But I do not agree with how that was written.25 Q. Do you intend to speak with Ms. Violi

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1 about whether it's true or false?2 A. After this?3 Q. Yeah. Some time after --4 A. Well, I don't know if it's -- well, I5 -- I guess I could look into it. But with the6 pending lawsuit -- I -- I can look into it.7 Q. Well --8 A. I just don't want to do anything9 inappropriate to --

10 Q. There's no grand jury impaneled right11 now, is there?12 A. No. No. I'm talking about with this13 -- this lawsuit going on right now. So I don't14 want to interfere with any type of proceedings or15 depositions, so...16 Q. Well, as a district attorney, isn't it17 your job to see if your people were doing something18 inappropriate?19 A. Yes.20 Q. And it would be inappropriate to21 threaten to charge a witness of the crime if they22 did not testimony as your office desired?23 A. Yes.24 Q. And that's what is being stated right25 here in this letter, isn't it?

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1 A. Well, this is being stated by Shelley2 Centini. This is not being stated by someone else.3 She is saying this is what Nancy Violi -- and this4 is my understanding -- you told me. So it was5 Nancy Violi saying that to Shelley Centini, so...6 Q. And you have the ability when you leave7 here today or any time after that to ask Ms. Violi8 is it true or is it not true, don't you?9 A. Absolutely. And like I said, I -- I

10 would like to talk to her about it. But what I11 stated earlier is I don't want to do anything that12 may -- that may jeopardize say her deposition or13 anything with regard to this lawsuit because I am14 now looking into these allegations that you're15 presenting to me today.16 Q. If you're -- if your people did wrong,17 wouldn't it be appropriate that that information18 came out even if there's a lawsuit?19 A. Absolutely.20 Q. So is it -- what could be a possible21 reason for you not to look into whether Ms. Violi22 said these things?23 A. And I said I will. I just don't want24 to do anything that jeopardizes the depositions or25 anything in this case.

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1 But also, I do want to reiterate that I2 received this and I will look into it, but I have3 never received anything from anyone else stating4 that anyone in my office harassed them, threatened5 them. Nothing came to me at all from anyone.6 So learning and reading this, it's7 shocking to me. Because if someone really felt8 that way, they should have come to me, like you9 said, as the district attorney of Luzerne County.

10 But no one ever did.11 Q. Instead in this case for instance,12 Ms. Centini wrote directly to Ms. Violi who was in13 charge of the grand jury, correct?14 A. No. She's not in charge of the grand15 jury.16 Q. After --17 A. But she did write the letter to18 Ms. Violi.19 Q. Who is part of the grand jury process,20 correct?21 A. At --22 Q. You're not giving information we don't23 know.24 A. She's part of this case. She's the ADA25 that has been assigned to this case.




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1 Q. "To this case" being -- I'm not talking2 about this civil lawsuit but the prosecution of3 Mr. Hampel?4 A. Correct.5 Q. Did it concern you that multiple6 witnesses who were not under investigation felt the7 need to hire their own attorneys?8 A. No. I -- I believe that people -- if9 they feel comfortable with having their own

10 attorney, they should have that -- that ability.11 So no, I think if they are comfortable having an12 attorney with them, that's perfectly13 understandable.14 Q. And of course, it's their right. But15 normally people not under investigation don't16 typically feel the need to hire and pay attorneys,17 correct?18 A. That's not necessarily true. We have19 cases where witnesses come in that are not under20 investigation but are just scared. They don't know21 the process. So they hire attorneys to walk them22 through the process.23 Q. Is that -- is that your understanding24 of what happened with all these witnesses before25 the grand jury who hired attorneys?

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1 A. I -- honestly, I don't recall what2 exactly happened.3 Q. Okay. I know earlier we talked about4 what training your detectives and -- your5 detectives or ADAs have about what they need to6 include or not include in Affidavits of Probable7 Cause; do you remember?8 A. Yes. There isn't really training.9 Q. Right. And is that like a conscious

10 decision on your part that that training was not11 necessary, or was it just something you never12 thought about?13 A. Something I never thought about. But14 also as -- when you hire people within the office,15 they go to a district attorneys -- the Pennsylvania16 District Attorneys Office for new incoming17 prosecutors. So it's my understanding that they go18 through things like that, like what -- what you19 should be aware of, how to look at cases, how to20 prosecute. So they have an overall training when21 they first take -- when they first come in.22 And a lot of the attorneys in my office23 have been there way before my time, too.24 Q. So -- but in terms of policy within25 your office, was it a conscious decision that you

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1 don't need to have policy -- policy guidance about2 what should or should not be included in Affidavits3 of Probable Cause?4 A. You know, I don't even know if it's5 even possible to create a policy to put what is in6 -- what should be in an Affidavit of Probable7 Cause. Every case is so different. I wouldn't be8 able to cover every scenario that would take place.9 So if there was a policy put

10 together -- they're lawyers. They're professionals11 that go through schooling that take the Bar, that12 pass the Bar, that are lawyers that continue to13 take CLEs and continue to go through different14 trainings. They should be able to understand what15 their obligation is as an attorney.16 I -- I think it would be almost17 impossible to put a policy together saying in every18 situation this is how an affidavit should look.19 Q. Do you have -- do you have policy about20 providing Brady material, in other words,21 exculpatory material?22 A. No. It's -- again, it's something as a23 lawyer you should understand when you're24 prosecuting a case what is required of you in25 handing over certain material.

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1 Q. And so there's no training and no2 policy on Brady obligations. And instead, you rely3 on the fact that it's lawyers involved?4 A. That; and as lawyers who are5 experienced attorneys within our office who handle6 homicides and all major cases on a regular basis,7 also help to train newer attorneys. So they're8 training the individuals who are newer to our9 office. That is their training experience.

10 Unfortunately, we don't have the luxury11 to take people that we hire and go through a whole12 training process. We really just need to say,13 you're an attorney now. You have to be able to14 handle these cases. We are there to guide you.15 And you have the unit heads that will assist you16 walking through the -- the process and guiding you17 through cases in the beginning but are really there18 to -- they really have to just jump right in.19 Q. So jump right in on-the-job training,20 you learn as you go?21 A. Unfortunately. And that -- that22 doesn't just go for the Luzerne County District23 Attorneys Office. That's the Public Defenders24 Office. That's any District Attorneys and Public25 Defenders Office across the state, probably across




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1 the nation, based on all the reports coming out2 being inundated with the number of cases that we3 handle on a regular basis.4 Q. What is the District Attorneys Off --5 Luzerne County District Attorneys Office budget6 this year?7 A. Off the top of my head, I can't recall.8 But it's about 5 million.9 Q. Okay. Going to the next to the last

10 paragraph of Plaintiff's Exhibit 7, the paragraph11 that starts, to be clear, do you see that?12 A. Yes.13 Q. It says, to be clear, Ms. Evans wishes14 to testify to the truth which is that Mr. Hampel15 did not have any inappropriate contact with her16 while she was a student at Coughlin; however,17 because the DA's office has decided to prosecute18 her if she testifies to not having had19 inappropriate contact with Mr. Hampel, Ms. Evans20 has no choice but to invoke her Fifth Amendment21 Rights. Do you see that?22 A. Yes.23 Q. Does that concern you?24 A. Again, this is something that Attorney25 Shelley Centini wrote. I don't know if that is

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1 accurate or not. It does not sound accurate to me2 based on the information that I have with regard to3 the case. But if someone did act this way, it4 would concern me.5 Q. It would be inappropriate, correct?6 A. Correct.7 Q. Okay.8 A. And I do want to emphasize that with a9 grand jury, there's always that point of a grand

10 jury you -- when you're testifying, you are to11 speak to the truth and tell the truth or you could12 potentially face charges. That doesn't necessary13 mean you will.14 Q. I'm showing you what's been marked as15 Plaintiff's Exhibit Number 8 (handing). The first16 question is, have you ever seen it before?17 A. I don't think so.18 MS. CRONIN: Is this -- this is --19 THE WITNESS: Oh, okay. I did with my20 lawyer.21 BY MR. DYLLER:22 Q. Okay. So I know that prior to becoming23 the District Attorney, you did civil litigation,24 correct?25 A. Yes.

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1 Q. And so you understand that -- first of2 all, the title of this document is Answer in3 Affirmative Defenses of Defendants Charles J.4 Balogh and Debbie Parker, correct?5 A. Correct.6 Q. And you understand that in a civil case7 such as this, the Plaintiff files what's call a8 Complaint with numbered paragraphs and the9 defendant responds to those numbered paragraphs in

10 answer like this?11 A. Correct.12 Q. And that's what happened in this case13 with this document before you, correct?14 A. Correct.15 Q. I just want to ask you about some of16 the things written in this answer that Mr. Hampel17 [sic] and Ms. Parker provided.18 A. Okay.19 Q. Well, first of all, go to20 paragraph nine. And before I even have you look at21 that, I just want to make sure we have the same22 understanding that Detectives Balogh and Parker23 charged Mr. Hampel with corrupting the morals of a24 minor, which is Section 6301 of the Pennsylvania25 Crimes Code. Is that your understanding? And if

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1 you want, you can go back to the exhibit to the2 Criminal Complaint.3 A. Yeah. Yes, sir.4 Q. Okay. In looking at the answer at5 paragraph nine, do you see that it talks about6 Section 6301.A1.I?7 A. Yes.8 Q. Is that a crime necessarily9 encompassing indecent contact?

10 A. Do I see that?11 Q. Do you see that?12 A. Yes. Yes.13 Q. In this particular case, the14 prosecution of Mr. Hampel, the allegations actually15 concerned only indecent contact -- alleged indecent16 contact, correct?17 A. Correct.18 Q. So that's what Mr. Hampel was charged19 with by Balogh and Parker, correct?20 A. The corruption of minors.21 Q. And relating to alleged indecent22 contact?23 A. Yes.24 Q. Okay. Look at paragraph ten. Do you25 see it says, Detective Balogh did participate in




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1 Mr. Hampel's arrest but did not handcuff him?2 A. I do see that.3 Q. Do you know who handcuffed Mr. Hampel?4 A. I have no idea.5 Q. Okay. Go to paragraph 19, please.6 A. Okay.7 Q. Do you see that is says Balogh and/or8 Parker had a very brief conversation with victim9 number one by telephone. No formal interview was

10 ever conducted by either defendant with victim11 number one. Do you see that?12 A. Yes.13 Q. Does it bother you that your detectives14 who charged a man with a serious crime never met15 with the alleged victim and only had a very brief16 telephone conversation with her?17 A. I know there was supporting information18 that was provided from other witnesses that19 corroborated the -- the -- the charging of this.20 Q. Isn't the victim the most important21 person in any criminal prosecution?22 A. Yes. But also there are other aspects23 of cases that you have to take into consideration.24 A victim, in my opinion, is very important to an25 investigation. But there may be circumstances

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1 where people are frightened to cooperate, to2 provide information. They -- they refuse. There3 are certain situations where the victim just may4 not be a cooperative victim.5 Q. Why would -- why would there be no6 formal interview with the alleged victim, including7 when there's a grand jury impaneled, then you could8 subpoena her?9 A. Well, if there -- and I'm just guessing

10 here. This isn't exactly what happened. I don't11 know the specifics.12 MS. CRONIN: I'm not going to -- no13 guessing. No guessing.14 BY MR. DYLLER:15 Q. You don't need to guess. I don't want16 you to guess.17 A. Okay.18 Q. Do you know why -- let me ask you, do19 you know why Parker and Balogh chose not to meet20 with the alleged victim?21 A. I will say that I know that it wasn't22 -- my understanding of the situation is they tried23 to meet with the alleged victim. I don't know why24 they never formally were able to meet with the25 alleged victim.

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1 Q. Do you know whether they subpoenaed2 her?3 A. I --4 MS. CRONIN: I'm not -- if this is5 about the grand jury, that will not be answered6 until we get a ruling.7 MR. DYLLER: Subpoenaed? I'm just8 asking if she was subpoenaed. I'm not asking9 what she said or if she even testified.

10 MS. CRONIN: Nothing about the grand11 jury until they -- they just don't feel12 comfortable.13 MR. DYLLER: You're instructing her not14 to answer on that?15 MS. CRONIN: Yes.16 THE WITNESS: And you know I could be17 called back to answer if I need to.18 BY MR. DYLLER:19 Q. Okay. Look at paragraph 20. Do you20 see it says, it is admitted that a perfunctory21 phone call occurred between Defendant Balogh and22 the individual identified as victim number one. It23 is specifically denied that there was a discussion24 related to the information set forth in the25 Affidavit of Probable Cause between either

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1 defendant and the individual identified as victim2 number one? Do you see that?3 A. Yes.4 Q. So is it -- can you explain to me why5 your investigator would not talk to the alleged6 victim about the information they had that might7 indicate she actually was a victim?8 A. Again, I do know that they tried to9 meet with the victim. I don't know what happened

10 otherwise.11 Q. And looking at paragraph 21, do you see12 it says, it is admitted that victim number one did13 not affirmatively admit to sexual relations with14 Mr. Hampel, correct?15 A. Correct.16 Q. And you know from looking at one of the17 earlier exhibits that not only did she not18 affirmatively admit to sexual relations, she19 affirmatively denied having sexual relations with20 Mr. Hampel, correct?21 A. That's what was -- a summary of what we22 read in the report.23 Q. And the report was prepared by24 Detective Balogh?25 A. Correct; a part of the report prepared




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1 by Detective Balogh. There were other parts to2 that report that were left out.3 Q. And there was nothing in the report4 that indicated in any way that victim number one,5 also know as Jessica Musto, had any sexual6 relations with Mr. Hampel, correct?7 A. There was nothing in the report that8 stated that, but there were things in the report9 that stated reasons why she didn't want to come in

10 and talk about it.11 MR. DYLLER: This will be Defendant's12 -- Plaintiff's 15. And this will be13 Plaintiff's 16.14 * * *15 (Whereupon, Exhibit Plaintiff's-15 and16 Plaintiff's-16 were marked for identification.)17 * * *18 BY MR. DYLLER:19 Q. Just looking at Plaintiff's20 Exhibit 15 --21 A. I didn't get 15.22 MR. SOLOMON: Right here (indicating).23 BY MR. DYLLER:24 Q. Do you see the person with the cap,25 wearing the cap?

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1 A. Yes.2 Q. Do you know that to be Brian Hampel?3 A. I will tell you, I have no idea. But4 he looks like -- if that is -- if you're saying5 that is --6 Q. I'll represent that's Brian Hampel.7 And is the person immediately behind8 him Detective Balogh?9 A. Yes; to the -- well, my left, his

10 right.11 Q. The one -- the one holding a folder?12 A. Yes.13 Q. And on one side of Detective Balogh is14 a reporter from Channel 16?15 A. Yes; the microphone.16 Q. Holding a microphone?17 A. It says 16; yes.18 Q. And the person on the other side of19 Detective Balogh is who?20 A. That's Andy Mehalshick.21 Q. No.22 A. Oh. Oh. Behind him? That's Detective23 Yurchak.24 Q. Who also works for the district25 attorney's office, correct?

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1 A. Correct.2 Q. And do you see that Mr. Hampel is3 handcuffed?4 A. Yes, he is.5 Q. And do you see that Andy Mehalshick who6 works for WBRE is present?7 A. Yes.8 Q. And there's also a cameraman from one9 of the TV stations present?

10 A. Yes.11 Q. Do you have any idea how those media12 people were alerted to the fact that Mr. Hampel was13 to be arrested?14 A. No.15 Q. Looking at Plaintiff's Exhibit 16,16 again, I'll represent that the person with the cap17 on his head with the University of Scranton18 sweatshirt on is Mr. Hampel. And next to him, am I19 correct, is Detective Balogh?20 A. Correct.21 Q. We can even see on Detective Balogh his22 identification indicating he works for the district23 attorney's office?24 A. Correct.25 Q. And do you recognize the building that

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1 they're next to?2 A. I should, but I do not.3 Q. If I told you that it was the4 magistrate's office, does that help you?5 A. Yes, yes.6 Q. Does that refresh your recollection7 that that's the magistrate's office?8 A. Yes.9 Q. And again, Mr. Hampel is in handcuffs?

10 A. Yes, he is; and 16 (sic).11 Q. Would it be consistent or inconsistent12 with district attorney policy if you learned that13 one of the people who work for the district14 attorney's office alerted the media about when15 Mr. Hampel would arrive at the magistrate's office?16 A. I'm sorry. Did you say would it be17 consistent or inconsistent?18 Q. Yes.19 A. Inconsistent.20 Q. Would it be --21 A. I -- I'm the one that -- again, like we22 spoke earlier, there's a media policy in the23 office. So I communicate with the media. If other24 people do that -- they're not permitted unless they25 get my approval.




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1 Q. If Detective Balogh or Parker say that2 they got your approval, would they be telling the3 truth?4 A. No.5 Q. Can we agree that based on those two6 pictures and seeing Mr. Hampel in handcuffs, that7 he was physically seized at the time of his arrest?8 A. Yes.9 Q. Given that those photographs,

10 Plaintiff's-15 and -16, were in the newspaper and11 on television, can we agree that that would be12 something that would harm a person's reputation?13 MR. FINNERTY: Object to the form.14 MS. CRONIN: Object to the form.15 THE WITNESS: It could, but there were16 charges filed against him. So -- and17 unfortunately, people that have charges filed18 against them end up in the paper all the time.19 BY MR. DYLLER:20 Q. Having charges filed against Mr. Hampel21 would be something that would damage his22 reputation, correct?23 MR. FINNERTY: Objection to the form.24 THE WITNESS: I guess it could. I25 don't think it necessarily would, but it could.

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1 BY MR. DYLLER:2 Q. In this case, do you think it did?3 MR. FINNERTY: Object to the form.4 MS. CRONIN: Object to the form.5 THE WITNESS: I don't know.6 BY MR. DYLLER:7 Q. And do you think that having8 Mr. Hampel's photograph on the internet in9 handcuffs is something that would damage his

10 reputation?11 MR. FINNERTY: Object to the form.12 MS. CRONIN: Object to the form.13 THE WITNESS: I don't know. It may.14 BY MR. DYLLER:15 Q. You can't -- do you think maybe having16 your picture on the internet, for anyone who17 searches, in handcuffs may or may not damage your18 reputation?19 MR. FINNERTY: Objet to the form.20 THE WITNESS: It may affect their21 reputation. People may not care about what22 they see on the internet. So it may or may23 not. We're doing more to help individuals who24 have been arrested. You know, people are25 trying to find jobs for them. So some people

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1 don't care about that stuff. So that's why I'm2 saying it may or may not.3 BY MR. DYLLER:4 Q. Do some people actually care about that5 stuff being -- seeing someone in handcuffs and that6 they were charged with a crime?7 MR. FINNERTY: Object to the form.8 THE WITNESS: Some people may.9 BY MR. DYLLER:

10 Q. And you're just not willing to say that11 -- having charges filed against someone and having12 their picture forever on the internet in handcuffs,13 do you think maybe it damages or may not damage a14 person's reputation? That's the position you take?15 MR. FINNERTY: Object to the form.16 BY MR. DYLLER:17 Q. Go ahead.18 A. It may. I'm not saying it wouldn't.19 Q. Were you aware -- well, strike that.20 Are you aware that the grand jury --21 the investigative grand jury for Mr. Hampel was --22 at some point was converted to an indicting grand23 jury?24 A. Yes. I'm just making sure. I'm25 thinking it through.

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1 Q. Sure. And at some point, there was --2 based on the information that the district3 attorney's office provided to the grand jury,4 Mr. Hampel was indicted, correct?5 A. I wouldn't necessarily say it that way.6 I would say the presentment to the grand jury based7 on testimony -- whatever they -- whatever happened8 in the grand jury, I do know that there was an9 indictment.

10 Q. And at some point, your office withdrew11 the charges that had been presented through the12 indictment and decided instead to proceed with the13 Criminal Complaint and Affidavit of Probable Cause,14 correct?15 A. I don't know of that.16 Q. Okay. Well, you certainly know that17 there was a Criminal Complaint and Affidavit of18 Probable Cause?19 MR. FINNERTY: In reverse.20 THE WITNESS: Yes. The Complaint was21 filed. And then the grand jury came out with22 the indictment.23 BY MR. DYLLER:24 Q. Oh, okay. That's correct. I had it25 reversed.




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1 A. Sorry. That's why I was a little2 confused.3 Q. Good. And I appreciate that.4 At some point, your office agreed that5 the charges should be withdrawn, correct?6 A. We believe that we weren't going to7 proceed with the habeas. Is that what you're8 referring to?9 Q. It is.

10 A. Yes.11 Q. And I'm going to show you what has been12 marked as Plaintiff's Exhibit 10.13 MS. CRONIN: Is this one 9?14 THE WITNESS: 8.15 MR. DYLLER: I may or may not go back16 to 9.17 MR. FINNERTY: This is 10?18 MR. SOLOMON: Yeah.19 BY MR. DYLLER:20 Q. Do you -- I'll give you as much time as21 you want to look at it, but do you recognize this22 document?23 A. Yes.24 Q. What is it?25 A. It's the Commonwealth's Answer to

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1 Defendant's Petition for Writ of Habeas Corpus.2 Q. So just so that the record is clear,3 what is a Petition for Writ of Habeas Corpus?4 A. That the defendant's attorney filed a5 petition claiming that -- they want a hearing to6 show that this probably happened.7 Q. So in other words, the defendants want8 a hearing -- the criminal -- the person charged9 with a crime --

10 A. Correct.11 Q. -- says they want a hearing to see if12 the Commonwealth can prove even at a very low13 standard, not beyond a reasonable doubt standard,14 but at a low standard, whether a crime was15 committed and whether that person is the one who16 committed that crime?17 A. Correct.18 Q. And this document, Plaintiff's19 Exhibit 10, is your office's response to20 Mr. Hampel's Petition for Writ of Habeas Corpus,21 correct?22 A. Correct.23 Q. And first of all, I just want to go to24 the last page. I see that it is signed by your25 office by you, by Nancy Violi and by Brian Coleman,

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1 correct?2 A. Correct.3 Q. And I know that you're a busy person,4 and I know that you use sometimes a stamp for your5 signature. But this is not your stamp. This is6 actually you signing, correct?7 A. Correct.8 Q. So you had read this and, you know,9 participated in the decision-making to not oppose

10 the Writ of Habeas Corpus, correct?11 A. Correct.12 Q. In other words, you participated in the13 decision to withdraw the charges or not oppose the14 dismissal of the charges --15 A. Correct.16 Q. -- by Mr. Hampel.17 Go to the second page, please. Looking18 at paragraph 12 in the middle, the sentence starts19 however.20 A. Okay.21 Q. Do you see it says, however, after22 exercising its duty to consider every -- and every23 is emphasized -- every factor that may influence a24 case and inferences that may be drawn from those25 factors, the Commonwealth does not have a belief

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1 that it can satisfy beyond a reasonable doubt2 burden of proof at trial and thus elects not to3 file a Criminal Information? Did I read that4 correctly?5 A. Yes, you did.6 Q. What were the factors you were7 considering in deciding not to file a Criminal8 Information?9 A. The overall investigation and the

10 cooperation from all witnesses and the victims.11 Q. Well, I know you said with emphasis12 every factor, so I'd like you to identify for me13 every factor that you considered.14 A. I -- I -- I can't tell you. It's been15 so long. I do not recall.16 Q. Did you consider that the alleged17 victim said it never happened?18 A. Again, going back to what I said19 before, the -- the cooperation of -- of witnesses20 and victims in this.21 Q. Well, I guess my question is, did you22 consider that the alleged victim, Jessica Musto,23 said it never happened? Was that one of the24 factors you considered?25 A. It wasn't necessarily what I considered




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1 -- what we considered if I -- and again, if I2 recall correctly. Because I -- I don't remember3 the specifics on this.4 MS. CRONIN: Then don't -- are you5 guessing?6 THE WITNESS: At this point, I am. I'm7 -- I'm guessing as to exactly what we8 considered when we sat down and determined to9 move in this direction.

10 BY MR. DYLLER:11 Q. Well, let me ask you, did any -- was12 there -- did any new information come to the13 district attorney's office that had -- that led you14 to not oppose dismissing the charges that was not15 previously known to the district attorney's office16 at the time of charging Mr. Hampel with crimes --17 or with the crime?18 MS. CRONIN: If you know.19 THE WITNESS: I don't recall if anybody20 -- if there was any new evidence that came21 forward that helped us in making this22 determination. There wasn't any type of23 evidence that came forward that I know of,24 making -- new evidence that came forward25 besides going back to again, having the

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1 cooperation of all parties involved.2 BY MR. DYLLER:3 Q. Well, who are the "all parties" you're4 talking about?5 A. Well, I would say witnesses, the6 victims, different people like that.7 Q. Okay. So you're -- you're not aware of8 any information that came to the district9 attorney's office after the charges were filed that

10 led you to change your mind and dismiss the11 charges?12 A. Are you talking about like evidence,13 any testimony that came in?14 Q. Anything.15 A. I'm not aware of that, no.16 Q. Evidence. Testimony. Documents.17 A. No.18 Q. Is there any information known to the19 district attorney that -- not known to the district20 attorney at the time that you filed the charges21 that became known to the district attorney's office22 by the time you dismissed the charges?23 A. Not that I'm aware of; not that I can24 recall.25 Q. So as far as you can recall, the same

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1 amount of information was in the district2 attorney's knowledge at the time of the charges and3 at the time of dismissal of the charges, nothing4 more, nothing less?5 A. I just don't feel comfortable because I6 just don't remember. And I don't have the7 specifics -- I don't recall the specifics of it.8 Q. Was it your view at the time the9 charges were filed that the Commonwealth could

10 prove the criminal case against Mr. Hampel beyond a11 reasonable doubt?12 A. My view at the time?13 Q. Yes.14 A. Based on the information we had, I15 believe so.16 Q. So what led you to change your mind?17 A. Again, I -- I -- I don't recall. I18 don't recall what exactly -- why we sat down and we19 started going over all of that.20 Q. Okay. Who sat down?21 A. It would have been Nancy Violi. Brian22 was involved because of being assigned to the grand23 jury.24 Q. That's Brian Coleman?25 A. Yes. Charles Balogh, Debbie Parker,

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1 possibly Sam Sanguedolce, my first assistant.2 Q. And you?3 A. And me, obviously, yes.4 Q. Where physically were all of you when5 you sat down to have this discussion?6 A. Typically when we meet, it's in my7 office.8 Q. Do you remember specifically that9 meeting?

10 A. There were many meetings. I believe it11 was in my office.12 Q. Who asked to meet?13 A. I don't recall.14 Q. Would it have been you, or would it15 have been someone else?16 A. I don't recall.17 Q. How long was the meeting?18 A. I don't recall.19 Q. Do you know, were documents looked at20 or reviewed during the meeting?21 A. I don't recall.22 Q. What did Nancy Violi tell you during23 the meeting?24 A. I -- honestly, I -- I don't recall.25 Q. Who did most of the talking during the




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1 meeting?2 A. I don't recall.3 Q. Do you know how long the meeting4 lasted?5 A. No. No.6 Q. Was it more or less than half an hour?7 A. I don't recall.8 Q. Was the meeting in response to the fact9 that Mr. Hampel, through his attorney, had filed a

10 petition for Writ of Habeas Corpus?11 A. Most likely; I would -- and I just12 don't want to assume. I'm assuming that's why, but13 I don't know for sure.14 Q. Why was this particular document, this15 Commonwealth response to the Writ of -- this Writ16 of Habeas Corpus, Plaintiff's Exhibit 10, why was17 it decided that you would personally sign it as18 opposed to having your stamp?19 A. Sometimes I do. I just sign them. It20 depends on my involvement. If I knew more about21 the case and we sat down like we did here, I would22 -- if they wanted me to, I would personally sign23 it. It -- honestly, it doesn't make a difference24 if I stamp it or I sign it. But in this situation,25 I did sign it.

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1 Q. Did someone ask you to sign it2 personally?3 A. Sometimes people just bring over4 documents and just throw them in my box, and I sign5 off on them, if they want me to review it or6 something along those lines.7 And in this situation, I do recall8 reviewing this. So if I reviewed it -- most likely9 I probably reviewed it and said that's good, and I

10 signed so they didn't have to stamp it.11 Q. So this was a decision made at the12 highest level, you?13 A. Yes.14 Q. Did anyone in the meeting or involved15 disagree about the decision to not oppose dismissal16 of the charge -- of the charge?17 A. I don't think so. I don't know. I --18 I don't -- I don't think so.19 Q. Okay. I'm not interested in any20 discussion you've had with Ms. Cronin. But I am21 interested in discussions you've had with anyone22 within your office about this lawsuit. Have you23 spoken with Mr. Balogh about this lawsuit?24 A. We -- yes; because I think I received25 it. So I spoke to him and notified him of the

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1 suit.2 Q. Did you talk about the substance of it?3 A. No. No.4 Q. You didn't -- you didn't ask about5 whether the things said in -- in the Complaint that6 started this lawsuit are true or false?7 A. I don't think so.8 Q. Did you ask Ms. Parker if any of the9 things in the Complaint were true or false?

10 A. I don't think so.11 Q. Did you speak with Ms. Violi about this12 lawsuit?13 A. Yes. Yes. We've had conversations14 with our attorney.15 Q. I'm not interested in conversations16 with Ms. Cronin. But did you, outside of the17 presence of Ms. Cronin, talk to Ms. Violi about18 this lawsuit?19 A. We spoke about it with other attorneys20 as well.21 Q. Attorneys who were representing you?22 A. Initially, the county.23 Q. Are you talking about Lexi Falvello?24 A. No; Sean.25 Q. Sean McDonough?

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1 A. Yes. Yes. Sorry. I couldn't remember2 his --3 Q. Did you have any discussions with4 Ms. Violi outside of the presence of Ms. Cronin or5 Mr. McDonough about this lawsuit?6 A. I may have; nothing that stands out in7 my mind.8 Q. Did you go over the allegations and9 say, what -- Nancy, what's true and what's false?

10 A. Not privately, if you want to call it11 that.12 Q. I'll ask the same thing about13 Mr. Coleman. Did you have any discussions with him14 about what was true or false about this lawsuit?15 A. Not privately, no.16 Q. Have you spoken with Jenny Roberts17 about this lawsuit?18 A. No.19 Q. None at all?20 A. No.21 Q. If I told you the name Richard Wojcik,22 does that remind you that he's one of the23 confidential witnesses?24 A. Yes. I remember Rich. That's what25 stick out --




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1 Q. Richard?2 A. -- in my mind; yeah.3 Q. And are you aware that Mr. Wojcik was4 given a significant plea deal as a result of what5 he said in this lawsuit?6 A. That's absolutely false.7 Q. Are you aware that Mr. Wojcik was given8 a plea deal?9 A. I don't recall.

10 Q. Okay. If a person in your office --11 typically, if a person has 60 charges against him,12 are they allowed to plead guilty to only -- well,13 withdraw that.14 Are you allowed to plead guilty to only15 one?16 A. Yes. We've done that.17 Q. Just because you're nice?18 A. Well, because of -- as you know, as a19 defense attorney, you work with the defense20 attorney on a potential plea. And a lot of the21 times if you have that many number of counts, 6022 counts on a Complaint, a judge may just run it23 concurrent.24 So in order to get a plea, we may just25 negotiate to a certain charge and -- and that would

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1 be the plea.2 Q. Okay. I'm going to show you3 Plaintiff's Exhibit 11.4 A. Yes.5 Q. Can you identify what this document is?6 A. It's an Information filed by the7 Commonwealth with regard to defendant Richard8 Wojcik.9 Q. Now, before I go over that, I just want

10 to ask you, can you tell me what the Latin phrase11 crimen falsi means? And I can help you if you12 want. Crimen falsi, that means crimes of13 falsehood.14 A. Right; like a theft or something that15 may -- may affect your credibility.16 Q. Exactly. And is it your understanding17 that in criminal trials in Pennsylvania, that18 crimen falsi crimes can be used to show that the19 witness is not reliable or not credible?20 A. Yes.21 Q. And theft, as you just said, is a22 crimen falsi crime, a crime of falsehood?23 A. Yes.24 Q. And theft by deception would be a crime25 of falsehood?

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1 A. Correct.2 Q. Would forgery be a crime of falsehood?3 A. I think so, yeah.4 Q. And bad checks would also be a crime of5 falsehood?6 A. Yeah.7 Q. And if a person convicted of those8 crimes was a witness, the lawyer on the other side9 could use all of those convictions to show that

10 they're a liar, right?11 A. Correct.12 Q. Okay. Going back to Plaintiff's13 Exhibit 11, let's just go near the end to the last14 count.15 How -- how many counts did your office16 charge against Richard Wojcik?17 A. There's 60 counts.18 Q. And let's go back to the beginning.19 Counts 1 through 10 allege what crime?20 A. Forgery.21 Q. And I see next to that, that says F3.22 That means a felony of a third degree?23 A. Correct.24 Q. And we've just agreed forgery is a25 crime of falsehood, right?

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1 A. Correct.2 Q. A crime that can be used against a3 person to show that they're liar in a criminal4 trial, right?5 A. Correct.6 Q. And your office thought it was -- that7 Mr. Wojcik was guilty of those ten counts of that8 crime of falsehood, forgery, right?9 A. Yes.

10 Q. And a felony in the third degree is11 punishable by up to seven years in jail?12 A. Yes.13 Q. So for those ten counts, Mr. Wojcik14 faced up to 70 years in jail, right?15 A. Correct.16 Q. Okay. Let's start with Count 11 now.17 That is theft by deception, right?18 A. Yes.19 Q. Charged as a misdemeanor of the first20 degree?21 A. Correct.22 Q. And a misdemeanor of the first degree23 is punishable by up to five years in jail?24 A. Yes.25 Q. And let's see how many counts of theft




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1 by deception your office charged Mr. Wojcik with.2 It's counts 11 through --3 A. I think 19, so 20.4 Q. 11 through 31. That would be 21. Or5 no, you're right, 20. So Mr. Wojcik faced 206 counts of theft by deception punishable by five7 years in jail for each, right?8 A. Correct.9 Q. So that's an additional 100 years in

10 jail he faced?11 A. Correct.12 Q. And we agree that theft by deception is13 another crimen falsi or crime of falsehood crime,14 right?15 A. Correct.16 Q. That can be used to show a person is a17 liar and not credible or worthy of belief, correct?18 A. Correct.19 Q. Okay. Let's go to Count 31. And20 that's -- that's bad checks, right?21 A. Yes.22 Q. And that's charged as a third-degree23 misdemeanor, correct?24 A. Yes.25 Q. Third-degree misdemeanors are

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1 punishable by up to one year in jail, right?2 A. Yes.3 Q. And so Counts 31 through --4 A. 50.5 Q. -- 50 are bad check charges, right?6 A. Correct.7 Q. And that's another 20 crimes, another8 20 bad check charges?9 A. Correct.

10 Q. So Mr. Wojcik faced another 20 years in11 jail based on those charges?12 A. Yes.13 Q. And we agree bad check charges are also14 crimes of falsehood, right?15 A. Correct.16 Q. Crimes that could be used to show that17 a person in not worthy of belief?18 A. Right.19 Q. Okay. Let's go back to -- let's go to20 Count 51. Am I correct the remaining charges,21 Counts 51 through 60 are receiving stolen property?22 A. Yes.23 Q. And those are also charges --24 third-degree misdemeanors, correct?25 A. Correct.

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1 Q. So that's another ten charges of2 receiving stolen property?3 A. Correct.4 Q. So Mr. Wojcik faced another ten years5 in jail for those charges, correct?6 A. Correct.7 Q. And receiving stolen property is8 another crime of falsehood, correct?9 A. Correct.

10 Q. Again, another crime to show that a11 person's not worthy of belief?12 A. Yes. That's what would be used against13 them.14 Q. So based on the information that your15 office charged Mr. Wojcik, he was facing about 20016 years in jail, right?17 A. Yes.18 Q. And --19 A. More than a homicide.20 Q. Well, probably equal to a homicide.21 A. A large sentence.22 Q. And all of the charges -- every one of23 the 60 charges were ones to show that he was not a24 credible person, right?25 A. Well, it would be used for a crimen

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1 falsi, yes.2 Q. To show that he's not worthy of belief,3 correct?4 A. Yes; for -- yes.5 Q. Now, I'm going to show you Plaintiff's6 Exhibit 12. Can you tell me what this document is?7 A. This is the plea agreement.8 Q. For Mr. Wojcik?9 A. Correct.

10 Q. For that same case?11 A. Correct.12 Q. And he was allowed to plead guilty to a13 single count of forgery, correct?14 A. Correct.15 Q. And 50 other charges were dismissed or16 withdrawn by agreement, correct?17 A. Yes; by the assistant district attorney18 who was assigned to it. That's Assistant District19 Attorney Daniel Hollander.20 Q. Okay. And Mr. Hollander could not have21 done that without approval by someone high up in22 your office, correct?23 A. No; not necessarily. Unfortunately,24 forgeries, bad checks, these are common cases in25 our office. They know what I would be agreeable to




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1 as long as it's a plea to the highest charge, which2 would be a felony.3 In these cases -- these cases are very4 different in that you could have a law enforcement5 officer who files a charge -- a count, we'll call6 it -- a count on every single one. Or they may7 file one forgery, one theft by deception, one bad8 check and one -- what's the other one -- receiving9 stolen property, so it could have been only four

10 counts. And we would have -- my agreement is11 always plead to the highest charge. And if they12 steer off of that, then they have to talk to13 someone else in order to offer a different plea.14 Q. And in this particular case, it wasn't15 merely some law enforcement officer but your office16 that chose to file -- to file an Information17 charging 60 separate counts?18 A. That's not -- no. No. No. That's not19 necessarily true. Law enforcement may have filed20 it at the magistrate's. And because it was bound21 over, then we filed the Information. Our office22 then gets involved.23 Q. Your office has discretion in drafting24 the Information about what to charge and how many25 charges to charge?

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1 A. Well, no; not necessarily. If this2 isn't a case that needs attorney approval, the3 officer would make that call. And then if the --4 the -- if the charges are all bound over, we don't5 make a decision to eliminate charges that were6 bound over. We will look at it after, during a7 write-up phrase. But this is what was bound over8 to the Court of Common Pleas.9 Q. You don't make -- your office does not

10 make discretionary decisions when charges are11 brought to your office about how many charges to12 file or what charges to file?13 A. Like I said, law enforcement makes14 those initial decisions with regard -- there's a15 list of certain charges that they need attorney16 approval on. Off of that list, law enforcement can17 file whatever charges they deem appropriate. And18 then when we get our hands on it, then we will19 review it, look at the charges. That was probably20 the time that this was prepared, to say this is21 what we would offer a plea on this case. That's --22 we're not involved in every single case from the23 very beginning when charges are filed.24 Q. Who prepares the Information, which is25 Plaintiff's Exhibit 11?

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1 A. The Informations are when they go2 through -- are bound over.3 Q. I'm asking who prepared it. Who4 prepares it?5 A. I know. I'm talking through. I'm6 sorry.7 Q. Okay.8 A. When the -- when it's bound over, then9 a review of the charges to make sure everything is

10 accurate is by Deputy -- my Deputy District11 Attorney, Chet Dudick or Jim McMonagle or Joe12 Matthews. Then a --13 Q. They were three different district --14 assistant district attorneys who worked for you?15 A. Chet Dudick is a deputy district16 attorney.17 Q. Right.18 A. They review Informations to make sure19 that the information is correct on there, say for20 instance, the amount of a theft, things of that21 nature. Then it goes to a support staff who then22 inputs that information. It's all computerized.23 Q. But someone within your office makes24 the -- a lawyer within your office makes the25 decision about what charges that had been bound

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1 over should or should not be included in the2 Criminal Information, correct?3 A. That is -- it's -- yes and no. We do4 not -- these are the charges that are filed. So5 whatever is bound over, we -- that is what you find6 in the Information. Unless there's something like,7 say for instance, an agg [sic] assault that isn't8 an agg assault in our opinion. That -- it doesn't9 amount to an agg assault. It's a simple assault.

10 So we'd say you cannot meet this11 burden. We're eliminating the agg assault all12 together and we'll only have a simple assault.13 But otherwise, if they have all the14 information in here and it meets the burden of --15 and we can proceed to trial on it, it stays the16 same. We do not change that.17 Q. So on this Plaintiff's Exhibit 11,18 which charge 60 -- charges 60 criminal charges, the19 decision had been made that you couldn't meet the20 burden on those charges?21 A. Yes; based on the information that we22 had.23 Q. And then ultimately, Mr. Wojcik was24 permitted to plead guilty to a single charge?25 A. Correct.




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1 Q. And had Mr. Wojcik actually been a2 witness in some trial against Mr. Hampel, 59 of the3 crimen falsi charges which you had the proof of had4 -- would have been dismissed and therefore, not5 been able to be used to show Mr. Wojcik to be a6 liar, correct?7 A. Technically, yes. But you still have8 the count of forgery which could be used to show9 that he's still a liar. That's what you're trying

10 to say. So forgery is still considered a crime, a11 crimen -- included in the crimen falsi. So we12 didn't change anything. He still pled to a13 forgery.14 Q. Although can we agree 60 crimen falsi15 crimes would be more persuasive then one crimen16 falsi crime?17 MR. FINNERTY: Object to the form.18 THE WITNESS: I would say yes. But19 that -- the decision in regards to this was not20 made in -- thinking about a different case.21 BY MR. DYLLER:22 Q. How do you know?23 A. I -- I -- I have no information to say24 that they gave -- which I would have to agree to --25 that I would -- our office would allow someone to

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1 get a break in order to provide information or2 testify at a trial.3 I'm the only one that really approves4 that stuff, and I never approved that. So that's5 how I know.6 Q. So based on the fact that no one spoke7 with you about it, you believe that those 598 charges were dropped for no reason to add to9 Mr. Wojcik's credibility?

10 A. The 59 charges were dropped in order to11 come up with a reasonable plea. That's why it's --12 again, it's the prosecutor working with the defense13 attorney in order to get a good plea for their14 client.15 And like I said, you guys are defense16 attorneys. You understand that we work together17 and we try to come up with some type of good plea.18 And they followed my protocol, which I'm very happy19 to see; that they pled him to the highest charge,20 which would have been a Felony III amounting to --21 it could be max seven years.22 Q. As opposed to max 200 years?23 A. Well, that's -- you can interpret that24 differently. I'm sure if this was your client,25 you'd be asking for this type of plea as well.

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1 Q. Do you know what the underlying facts2 of some of the forgeries were?3 A. No.4 Q. If I told you that some of them were5 that he forged his doctor's note to say that he6 couldn't go to trial --7 A. I -- I'm sorry. I do remember8 something about that, because I think a call came9 down to our office regarding it. Was Judge Gartley

10 involved?11 Q. I don't know.12 A. Something like that; that's the only13 reason I remember that.14 Q. And that would be a separate case than15 the one we were just talking about with 60 charges.16 There was a separate forgery case against17 Mr. Wojcik, right?18 A. I don't know the specifics of it.19 Q. And do you remember that Mr. Wojcik20 repeatedly forged doctors' notes saying he couldn't21 go to trial, but that his doctor said, I never even22 saw this man, I never wrote any note for him?23 A. I don't know the specifics of it.24 Q. All these forgery counts and other25 crimen falsi counts, do you think it would have

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1 been important for Detectives Balogh and Parker to2 include in their Affidavit of Probable Cause3 concerning Mr. Hampel that their corroborating4 witness was charged with a large number of crimen5 falsi charges which they had the evidence to prove?6 A. No. That's -- that is going to be7 something that is -- something we'd have to deal8 with when it came time for trial.9 Q. But it's okay that your office doesn't

10 disclose that to a magistrate who's going to make a11 decision about whether there is -- whether he12 believes there is or is not probable cause to13 charge in this case Mr. Hampel?14 A. We don't file in our probable cause --15 in our affidavits anything about the criminal16 history of any witness.17 Q. So you don't indicate the criminal18 history that might include whether the person is a19 reliable and credible or unreliable and not20 credible witness?21 A. They -- we could include in there that22 they seemed reliable to us, a reliable witness.23 But we wouldn't include their criminal history in24 it. And that goes for every single case. I would25 have a major objection, and I'm sure a lot of




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1 people would, if we included their criminal2 history, witnesses who are cooperating with law3 enforcement, that we have that in the Probable4 Cause Affidavit.5 Q. So you think -- so basically your view6 is that your office should not include information7 that the corroborating witness has credibility8 issues?9 A. No. I -- what I stated was I wouldn't

10 include their criminal history.11 Q. Well --12 A. And -- and at this time, I don't even13 know -- when was this? When did he plea -- take14 the plea on this case?15 MR. SOLOMON: The date's on there.16 THE WITNESS: But this doesn't mean he17 took the plea. This is when it was offered.18 When was -- when did he get sentenced on it?19 When did he take the plea? I don't -- because20 all of this -- as you know, none of it is final21 until the sentence is complete. So I -- I --22 BY MR. DYLLER:23 Q. It would have been -- can we agree it24 would have been information known to Balogh and25 Parker that their witness was charged with 60

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1 crimen falsi crimes and ultimately pled guilty to2 one of them? And this is all prior to charging3 Mr. Hampel?4 A. It may have been. I -- I don't know.5 You would have to ask them.6 Q. Well, let's look -- let's look at the7 dates.8 A. But that doesn't mean that they9 necessarily had anything to do with this case. I

10 just don't -- and like I said, I -- I don't know11 anything with regard to that. So those are things12 you would -- you would have to ask them. I don't13 have any information with regard to that.14 Q. Well, if they have that information,15 would it be a problem within your office that they16 chose not to include information that their witness17 had serious credibility problems?18 A. Not necessarily; each case is19 different.20 So if -- if they felt that he was a21 reliable source and was being credible on this22 specific case, then that wouldn't come into play.23 Yes, at trial, that could be used as your defense24 strategy, of course, go after him as a witness.25 But that necessarily doesn't mean that he's not

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1 credible with regard to the information he's2 providing for this case.3 Q. So it's consistent with the way your4 office operates that the detectives, in this case,5 Parker and Balogh, could make an editorial decision6 not to inform the magistrate about the crimen falsi7 charges against their witness?8 A. Again --9 MR. FINNERTY: Object to form.

10 MS. CRONIN: Object to form.11 THE WITNESS: Again, I have no12 information saying they knew anything about13 that.14 BY MR. DYLLER:15 Q. That's not my question, however.16 A. They felt that -- well, let me finish17 and then ask the question again.18 But -- that they felt that his19 credibility, or their credibility -- if you were20 saying there were multiple -- if the credibility21 was an issue -- if they felt that the credibility22 wasn't an issue, then based on this specific23 investigation, then I -- then they wouldn't include24 it.25 Q. And that's consistent with how the DA's

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1 office operates?2 A. If -- yes. What we do is we place in3 the affidavit that they are a credible witness.4 Q. And you don't place into an affidavit5 that they're not an -- not a credible witness,6 right?7 A. Well, we -- like I said, they -- if8 they -- if there is an issue, that takes place at9 trial. That is for the defense attorney to raise.

10 I am not going to do their job for them to say,11 hey, this is -- I should say the attorney on the12 case, because I was not the attorney -- that --13 that there may be an issue that they could raise to14 raise some type of defense for their client.15 Q. So -- just to make sure I understand16 you correctly, you're saying the time for raising17 of the credibility issues of the witness is at18 trail and not in the Affidavit of Probable Cause19 that goes to the magistrate?20 A. No. That is not what I stated. I21 stated that if they believe they're credible, that22 would go in the affidavit. If -- if there may be23 an issue that the defense attorney believes could24 be an issue like the crimen falsi, that is raised25 at trial. That's defense attorney's strategy.




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1 And that may not even work at trial.2 They may believe the witness over -- even though3 these charges were filed, they may believe the4 witness over the defendant or over anyone else, the5 jury.6 Q. Well, I -- I understand it would be7 certainly raised at trial. But my question is, why8 would it not be -- why would that information about9 the crimen falsi charges and the lack of

10 credibility of the witness not be brought to the11 magistrate's attention so that the magistrate would12 have full information?13 MR. FINNERTY: Object to the form.14 MS. CRONIN: Objection.15 THE WITNESS: I -- again, as I stated16 before, if they believe that this person is17 credible, they may put it in their affidavit.18 Every investigator is very different and may19 say that they're a credible, reliable witness20 based on the investigation that they're doing21 and the information that they're acquiring22 through their investigation.23 But this stuff may not even have been24 -- and that's a question for them -- may not25 have been on their radar. They may not have

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1 even known about this.2 So what -- could you bring it to their3 attention? I -- sorry. I -- I thought you4 were going to ask a question.5 BY MR. DYLLER:6 Q. So you think it's okay that the7 information -- if the information was in, for8 instance, Detective Balogh's knowledge that the9 corroborating witness who he's relying on has

10 crimen falsi convictions or charges, do you think11 it's appropriate for him not to -- even if he12 thinks it's credible, that it's appropriate for him13 not to give that information to the magistrate for14 the magistrate's independent judgement?15 A. I feel that --16 MR. FINNERTY: Object to the form.17 THE WITNESS: I feel that as long as18 the investigators and the prosecutors feel that19 the information is reliable, the -- the witness20 is credible based on their investigation and21 what they have knowledge of, that that is22 appropriate.23 BY MR. DYLLER:24 Q. So that they can use their editorial25 discretion about whether to include or not include

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1 information about the corroborating witnesses?2 MS. CRONIN: Asked and answered.3 BY MR DYLLER:4 Q. And impede on crimen falsi crimes,5 correct?6 MR. FINNERTY: Object to the form.7 Asked and answered.8 THE WITNESS: Say that again. I'm9 sorry. And I know that everyone objected.

10 BY MR. DYLLER:11 Q. Let's see if I can.12 So it's your belief that it is up to13 the detectives' judgment whether to include in14 their Affidavit of Probable Cause that informs the15 magistrate of the facts that the corroborating16 witness has crimen falsi, has crimes of falsehood17 in their background that may affect the judgment of18 that person's credibility?19 MR. FINNERTY: Object to the form.20 Asked and answered I think ten times now.21 Go ahead.22 THE WITNESS: I believe that based on23 their investigation, their knowledge and the24 interview with the individual, what they're25 getting through their investigation, if they

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1 believe the information being provided is2 credible, then that's sufficient.3 BY MR. DYLLER:4 Q. Okay. As you sit here today, do you5 think that Detective Balogh or Detective Parker6 should have informed the magistrate that the7 witness -- the corroborating witness had crimen8 falsi crimes including that he had actually given9 false doctors' notes to the Court?

10 A. No. I don't --11 MR. FINNERTY: Object to the form.12 Don't answer that yet.13 I don't think you've established --14 MR. DYLLER: You don't get -- you don't15 get the opportunity to direct her not to16 answer.17 MR. FINNERTY: I'm not directing her18 not to answer. I want to make a statement. Do19 you want -- if you want to rephrase it. I20 don't think --21 MR. DYLLER: I don't.22 MR. FINNERTY: Okay. Well, I object to23 the form of the question.24 MR. DYLLER: Would -- would you read25 the question back to her, please?




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1 * * *2 (Whereupon, the court reporter read3 from the record.)4 * * *5 THE WITNESS: I don't think that should6 be included in -- the criminal history of a --7 of a witness is never included in an8 affidavit. That's what you're asking me; if we9 should include their criminal history in an

10 affidavit.11 No. I don't think that is even12 appropriate to include a criminal history of13 someone in an affidavit when they're witnesses14 on a case.15 BY MR. DYLLER:16 Q. Why is it inappropriate?17 A. Because I just don't think that it's18 something that's necessary. If you believe -- if19 they believed as investigators that this person was20 credible and reliable and the information they were21 providing was credible and reliable, then that22 should have been sufficient.23 Q. Who -- who makes the probable cause24 decision?25 A. Nancy Violi on this case because she is

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1 the attorney assigned to it.2 Q. Nancy Violi is not the person. The DA3 is not the person who decides probable cause, is4 he?5 A. Well, I -- sorry. My understanding --6 sorry. I -- I interpreted your question wrong.7 Q. Okay. Well, give me a new answer.8 A. The judge; the magistrate. The person9 that -- and what I was trying to say is, the person

10 reviewing it, the ADA, is the one that presents it11 to the judge. They feel and they must feel that12 there's enough there, enough to meet the probable13 cause standard.14 Q. And then the judge gets to decide based15 only on what was written in the Affidavit of16 Probable Cause, right?17 A. Correct.18 Q. By the way, do you know -- was it19 actually Nancy Violi who actually presented the20 Criminal Complaint, the Affidavit of Probable Cause21 to the judge, or was it Balogh or Parker?22 A. I don't know.23 Q. Is it sometimes the assistant DA who24 does that?25 A. Yeah; It depends.

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1 Q. It could be?2 A. Yeah.3 Q. Your policy is that guilty pleas should4 be to the highest charge?5 A. That is a standard policy, but we6 sometimes do not follow that.7 MR. DYLLER: I'm going to mark this as8 Plaintiff's Exhibit 14. I'll give you the9 original in a moment.

10 * * *11 (Whereupon, Exhibit Plaintiff's-14 was12 marked for identification.)13 * * *14 BY MR. DYLLER:15 Q. Can you -- in this package of16 materials, can you tell me who it's about?17 A. Peter Cienciva.18 Q. Cienciva. And that's the same name as19 the corroborating witness, Matthew Cienciva, same20 last name?21 A. Yeah; same last name.22 Q. Do you find it likely that they're23 brothers?24 A. Probably some relation.25 Q. And do you see this first page, it says

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1 that the Court accepted a plea?2 A. Yes.3 Q. And that was on September 12, 2016?4 A. Yes.5 Q. Do you see the various charges --6 MS. CRONIN: Can I put something on the7 record for a second?8 MR. DYLLER: Sure.9 MS. CRONIN: Just so you know that I

10 represented Peter Cienciva in -- in federal11 court. I just wanted to make sure I'm up front12 about that.13 MR. DYLLER: Okay. And I don't think14 it's a conflict.15 MS. CRONIN: I just don't want to have16 any surprises later.17 BY MR. DYLLER:18 Q. Looking at the first two pages of this19 packet, do you see that there were various charges20 filed against Peter Cienciva?21 A. Yes.22 Q. Looking at the first page, I see23 robbery is the Count 1?24 A. Correct.25 Q. That was a felony of the first degree,




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1 right?2 A. Yes.3 Q. And that -- next to that it says WD?4 A. Withdrawn.5 Q. Right. And below that, Count 2,6 terroristic threats, misdemeanor of the first7 degree, withdrawn?8 A. Yes. But I think that they meant an9 F3.

10 Q. Okay. Guilty of an F3?11 A. Yeah.12 Q. But the felony of the first degree was13 withdrawn, right?14 A. Yes. That was the robbery. It was15 withdrawn.16 Q. Right. And then the second degree17 misdemeanor, simple assault, that was a guilty,18 right, Count 4?19 A. Yes. But there's something above that20 as well. Theft by unlawful taking, F3. I think21 that's guilty, too, right? Or is that granted? I22 have a hard time reading this.23 MR. SOLOMON: No. Then it says24 Commonwealth amends and agrees to grading.25 MR. DYLLER: Right.

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1 THE WITNESS: To F3, yeah.2 BY MR. DYLLER:3 Q. And then Count 5, simple assault,4 withdrawn, right?5 A. Yes.6 Q. And then the next page, there's a7 separate -- no. I guess it's the same information.8 A. Yes.9 Q. And that has to do with the sentencing.

10 A. No. They may be -- is that the same or11 different charges? They're different cases.12 Q. Well, it's two cases on the second13 page, 3883 and 4569?14 A. Got it; yes.15 Q. And this date of sentencing was October16 25, 2016?17 A. Yes. There are two different dates,18 though.19 Q. So I'm -- again, I'm going to go to the20 third page. And this has to do with the21 information which is 3883 of 2015, right?22 A. Yes.23 Q. And this is where -- this was the24 guilty plea agreement --25 A. Correct.

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1 Q. -- where Peter Cienciva agreed to plead2 guilty to a second-degree misdemeanor and a3 third-degree felony and those other charges4 including the first-degree felony robbery were5 withdrawn, right?6 A. Correct.7 Q. And going just further -- just if you8 want to go as much as you want through the rest of9 the packet, those are just further documents on

10 Peter Cienciva's criminal matter, right?11 A. Yeah; the two cases.12 Q. And I see that Criminal Information13 that charges him with the first-degree felony14 robbery that was later withdrawn, right?15 A. Correct.16 Q. So did you say you remember that17 Matthew Cienciva was one of the corroborating18 witnesses?19 A. Yeah. I believe so.20 Q. And Pete Cienciva had the highest21 charge withdrawn, the robbery, first-degree felony,22 right?23 A. Correct; based on what I'm seeing.24 Q. The one he could have -- on that alone25 he could have gone to jail for 20 years, right?

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1 A. Yes.2 Q. This was all shortly before Mr. Hampel3 was charged with a crime, right?4 A. I believe so. I think that was -- what5 was the charge, October?6 Q. Yeah; October 2016.7 A. So yes, this is September that -- we're8 looking at a sentencing -- or the plea. Sorry.9 Q. The guilty plea was September. The

10 sentencing was October 25.11 A. Yeah.12 Q. So we know that Matthew Cienciva and13 his brother Peter Cienciva and Mr. Wojcik got14 significant plea deals, didn't they?15 MR. FINNERTY: Objection to the form.16 BY MR. DYLLER:17 Q. Wojcik had 59 out of 60 crimes18 withdrawn. Peter Cienciva got the highest charge19 and others withdrawn. And this is all right before20 the charging of Mr. Hampel, right?21 A. Technically, yes, it is.22 Q. Do you know who Frank Michaels is?23 A. I think -- isn't Frank Michaels the24 principal -- principal of Coughlin? Or he was. He25 was the principal. He pled to -- I believe it was




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1 a perjury charge.2 Q. Actually, his perjury charge was3 withdrawn, wasn't it?4 A. Yes. Because he -- well, that -- it5 goes to the cooperation between -- with Michaels6 and his attorney.7 Q. And that cooperation to get rid of that8 crimen falsi charge of perjury had to do with your9 hope that he would cooperate in some way against

10 Mr. Hampel; isn't that true?11 A. No. Absolutely not.12 Q. Why -- why were you dropping all those13 criminal -- crimen falsi charges?14 A. Why was I -- why -- first of all, this15 is the typical practice of a district attorney's16 office, not just here in Luzerne County but17 probably throughout the entire nation.18 You sit down. You look at the case,19 and you determine what could be a potential plea20 offer. And you negotiate it with the defense21 attorney. And if they don't want to accept it, you22 go to trial. Or if they accept it and we take a23 plea, they're sentenced.24 Q. Do you know the statute of limitations25 for corruptions of minors?

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1 A. Not off the top -- it's confusing; off2 the top of my head.3 Q. Okay. Do you know what a perp walk is?4 A. That's a media phrase.5 Q. What do you understand it to mean?6 A. That they want to see -- I would say7 this picture (indicating).8 Q. Plaintiff's-15 and -16?9 A. Yeah. Yeah. That it -- that they want

10 to see the individual walk by them so they can have11 it on T.V.12 Q. It helps if they're in handcuffs, too,13 right?14 A. No. I think any -- any type of picture15 or -- these days, they'd rather have me in front of16 the camera. Maybe they get better viewage --17 viewership. No. I'm just kidding.18 Q. Well, you wouldn't be a perp walk.19 A. I would not be a perp walk. It would20 be the person that is charged walking.21 Q. And in this case, Plaintiff's-15 and22 -16 show Mr. Hampel during a perp walk, correct?23 A. Technically, yes. That's what they24 would interpret it as.25 Q. And perp is short for perpetrator?

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1 A. Perpetrator, yes.2 Q. And that makes good news coverage?3 A. For them, yes.4 Q. Do you know why that is?5 A. I have no idea. Id rather see happy6 things on the news than bad things.7 MR. DYLLER: Why don't we take a little8 break.9 VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 1:07 p.m.,

10 and we are off the record.11 * * *12 (Whereupon, a recess was taken from13 1:07 p.m. until 1:19 p.m.)14 * * *15 VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 1:19 p.m.16 We are back on the record.17 BY MR. DYLLER:18 Q. I'm just going to ask you to go back to19 Plaintiff's Exhibit 1, which is the Criminal20 Complaint and Affidavit of Probable Cause.21 A. Sorry. I have them out of order.22 Q. And looking at the first page of the23 Affidavit of Probable Cause -- I think you have it24 right there.25 A. Yes.

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1 Q. Look at the bottom -- the bottom2 paragraph, do you see it says that one of the3 corroborating witnesses stated that two sisters who4 also attended Coughlin High School would have5 regular parties at their house in Bear Creek. And6 it says according to CO2 -- I skipped a little bit7 -- Hampel would bring beer to the parties. Money8 would be given to Hampel for the beer. And later9 down it talks about Hampel with victim one --

10 A. Yes.11 Q. -- at that -- those parties?12 A. Yes.13 Q. Do you know that one or both of those14 sisters said Mr. Hampel was never ever at my house15 or at any party at my house?16 A. I don't recall.17 Q. If that information was in --18 Detectives Balogh or Parker had that information19 that those sisters or one of those sisters said20 that Mr. Hampel was never at their house, would21 that be something that you would expect your people22 to include in this Affidavit of Probable Cause?23 MR. FINNERTY: Objection to the form.24 MS. CRONIN: Objection.25 THE WITNESS: I'll go back to what I




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1 stated earlier. I trust the judgment that they2 made based on their investigation knowing3 everything about the case and the interviews4 that they conducted that they felt this was an5 appropriate affidavit.6 BY MR. DYLLER:7 Q. As you sit here today, do you still8 believe that -- or trust on their judgment knowing9 these things, knowing that the alleged victim says

10 it didn't happen, knowing that the people who owned11 the placed where it supposedly happened said it12 couldn't have happened, Mr. Hampel wasn't there,13 knowing that the corroborating witnesses has14 significant crimen falsi, as you sit here today, do15 you still believe that your Luzerne County District16 Attorney employees exercised proper judgment?17 MR. FINNERTY: Object to the form.18 MS. CRONIN: Objection.19 THE WITNESS: I trust their judgment.20 And as I stated, I believe that they made the21 appropriate call based on the information that22 they knew. Some of the information -- there23 were reasons why certain people -- like going24 back to what you're saying, like the victim not25 being cooperative, again, in the report. There

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1 is more to that. It's not just that she wasn't2 cooperative or stated that this didn't happen.3 It was a father stating they didn't want bad4 publicity anymore, and she's not cooperating5 with you. And she refused to come in and, I6 believe, meet with the detectives to even give7 a statement, and information that came out8 through the grand jury, information related to9 that.

10 There is so much more to this than just11 what is being stated here. So they understood12 all of that information. And because of that I13 trust their judgment call with all of that14 knowledge, making the determination that this15 was appropriate moving forward.16 BY MR. DYLLER:17 Q. And am I correct so I don't have to ask18 you a million other questions, you're not willing19 to tell me any of that unless and until the judge20 rules it's not subject to grand jury secrecy?21 A. Correct.22 MR. DYLLER: Okay. The only other23 thing I want -- we're going to call for24 production of a handful of documents. So I'm25 going to let Mr. Solomon identify them for the

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1 record.2 MR. SOLOMON: Just one other thing.3 * * *4 (Whereupon, a discussion was held off5 the record.)6 * * *7 BY MR. DYLLER:8 Q. Do you know -- in terms of the various9 witness interviews, do you know if any of the

10 assistant district attorneys attended or11 participated in those interviews of witnesses?12 A. I do not know.13 MR. DYLLER: Okay. Do you want to call14 for --15 MR. SOLOMON: Yeah. Some of these are16 directed towards you, Ingrid.17 Some of them are directed towards you,18 John.19 The first will be the grand jury20 written materials that were received in the21 training process for Luzerne County.22 The second, the written policies sent23 to all the ADAs, the handbook.24 THE WITNESS: Just put office handbook.25 MR. SOLOMON: The media policy.

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1 And to you, I believe we'll do a2 formal, but the phone records, emails, text3 messages from Detective Charles Balogh,4 Detective Parker and Detective Dan Yursha on5 the day in question, October 17, 2016.6 THE WITNESS: I think that his --7 sorry. But as -- it has to be a little bit8 more specific, because there's going to be9 information involving probably investigations

10 within the district attorney's office, so...11 MR. SOLOMON: We can fight about that12 later.13 MR. FINNERTY: Why don't you put it in14 a formal letter, and then we can address it15 formally.16 MR. SOLOMON: Okay.17 MR. DYLLER: Is that it?18 MR. SOLOMON: I believe so; yes.19 MR. DYLLER: Ms. Salavantis, you know20 I'm going to have you come back, so we'll see21 you again.22 THE WITNESS: Yeah; once the judge23 makes a determination.24 VIDEOGRAPHER: The time is 1:25 p.m.25 This concludes the deposition of District




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1 C E R T I F I C A T E23 I, Bernadette M. Farran, Court Reporter4 and Notary Public in and for the Commonwealth of5 Pennsylvania, certify that the foregoing is a true6 and accurate transcript of the deposition of said7 witness, who was first duly sworn by me on the date8 and place hereinbefore set forth.9

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