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Your Comments 05 Poynting vector? not pointing vector? did the one guy in the history of physics with the last name "poynting" really have to get a direction vector named after himself? MIT made a little mini-game based on being near the speed of light. The goal is you have to pick up these little balls which magically make the speed of light lower. There's time dilation, the doppler effect, the searchlight effect, Lorentz transformation, and the runtime effect. I don't know if you want to show this to the class or anything, but it's a lot of fun to experience. http://gamelab.mit.edu/games/a-slower-speed-of-light/ We definitely need to test out the "running towards the i-clicker" question from the prelecture. I'm sure I speak for the whole class when I say that I LOVED only having 1 I.E. and only 3 problems sets for homework this past week. Since mom's weekend is this weekend it would be AWESOME for the HW to be that short again so we can spend more time with our families and less time worrying about getting homework done. Just a suggestion :) "Can we please go into some detail about these root mean square things? It all seems so enragingly arbitrary" Physics at 2 in the morning is not how most people would choose to start a birthday... But this is actually kinda cool! I don't care what statistics and research studies say, this SUCKS!!! Every possible way of making you confused, stressed and angry exists within smart physics!!!

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Page 1: Your Comments - University Of IllinoisYour Comments 05 “Poynting vector? not pointing vector? did the one guy in the history of physics with the last name "poynting" really have

Your Comments

05

“Poynting vector? not pointing vector? did the one guy in the history of

physics with the last name "poynting" really have to get a direction

vector named after himself?

MIT made a little mini-game based on being near the speed of light. The goal is you have to

pick up these little balls which magically make the speed of light lower. There's time dilation, the

doppler effect, the searchlight effect, Lorentz transformation, and the runtime effect. I don't

know if you want to show this to the class or anything, but it's a lot of fun to experience.

http://gamelab.mit.edu/games/a-slower-speed-of-light/

We definitely need to test out the "running towards the i-clicker" question from the prelecture.

I'm sure I speak for the whole class when I say that I LOVED only having 1 I.E. and only

3 problems sets for homework this past week. Since mom's weekend is this weekend it

would be AWESOME for the HW to be that short again so we can spend more time with

our families and less time worrying about getting homework done. Just a suggestion :)

"Can we please go into some detail about

these root mean square things? It all seems

so enragingly arbitrary"

Physics at 2 in the morning is not how most people would choose to start a birthday... But this

is actually kinda cool!

I don't care what statistics and research studies say, this SUCKS!!! Every possible way of

making you confused, stressed and angry exists within smart physics!!!

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Physics 212

Lecture 23

Electricity & Magnetism Lecture 23, Slide 3

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Plane Waves from Last Time

E and B are perpendicular and in phase

Oscillate in time and space

Direction of propagation given by E X B

E0 = cB0

Argument of sin/cos gives direction of propagation

Electricity & Magnetism Lecture 23, Slide 4

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Understanding the speed and direction of the wave

fcspeed

22/

4/

Ex

z t 0

Ex Eosin(kz - t)

What has happened to the wave form in this time interval?

It has MOVED TO THE RIGHT by l/4

t /(2)

Ex

z)cos()sin(

2kzkz --

Electricity & Magnetism Lecture 23, Slide 5

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No – moving in the minus z direction

No – has Ey rather than Ex

CheckPoint 1a

Electricity & Magnetism Lecture 23, Slide 6

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CheckPoint 2a

Wavelength is equal to the speed of light divided by the frequency.

C 3.0 x 108 m/s

Check: Look at size of antenna on base unit

Electricity & Magnetism Lecture 23, Slide 7

3

1

000,000,900

000,000,300

f

c

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Doppler Shift

The Big IdeaAs source approaches:Wavelength decreasesFrequency Increases

Electricity & Magnetism Lecture 23, Slide 8

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What’s Different from Sound or Water Waves ?

Sound /Water Waves : You can calculate (no relativity needed)

BUTResult is somewhat complicated: is source or observer moving wrt medium?

Electromagnetic Waves : You need relativity (time dilation) to calculate

BUTResult is simple: only depends on relative motion of source & observer

b > 0 if source & observer are approaching

b < 0 if source & observer are separating

b v/c

Doppler Shift for E-M Waves

Electricity & Magnetism Lecture 23, Slide 9

2

1

1

1'

-

b

bff

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v

orf’

f

v

ff’

Doppler Shift for E-M Waves

Electricity & Magnetism Lecture 23, Slide 10

The Doppler Shift is the SAME for both cases!f ’/f only depends on the relative velocity

2

1

1

1'

-

b

bff

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A Note on Approximations

why?

Doppler Shift for E-M Waves

Electricity & Magnetism Lecture 23, Slide 11

2

1

1

1'

-

b

bff b << 1 b 1' ff

Taylor Series: Expand around b 0 2

1

1

1

-

b

bbF

2

!2

)0(

!1

)0(')0( bbb

FFFF

Evaluate:

1)0( F

1)0( Fbb 1)(F

NOTE:2/1)1()( bb F

bb2

11)( F

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Our Sun Star in a distant galaxy

wav

elen

gth

Wavelengths shifted higher

Red Shift

Frequencies shifted lower

Star separating from us(Expanding Universe)

Electricity & Magnetism Lecture 23, Slide 12

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Police radars get twice the effect since the EM waves make a round trip:

v b f’ f’-f

30 m/s

(67 mph)

1.000 x 10-7 24,000,004,800 4800 Hz

31 m/s

(69 mph)

1.033 x 10-7 24,000,004,959 4959 Hz

If f = 24,000,000,000 Hz (k-band radar gun)

c = 300,000,000 m/s

Example

Electricity & Magnetism Lecture 23, Slide 13

b21 ff

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A)B)C)

Need to shift frequency UP

How fast would you need to run to see the i>clicker radiation?

ficlicker = 900 MHz

CheckPoint 2b

Need to approach i>clicker b > 0

Electricity & Magnetism Lecture 23, Slide 14

2/1

5

9

14

1

110

10

10

-

b

b

f

f

-

b

b

1

11010

10

10

10

10

101

101

110

110-

-

-

-b

Approximation Exercise: )102(1 10--b

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Waves Carry Energy

Electricity & Magnetism Lecture 23, Slide 15

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Intensity

Sunlight on Earth: I ~ 1000J/s/m2

~ 1 kW/m2

Intensity Average energy delivered per unit time, per unit area

Area ALength c dt

dt

dU

AI

1

AcdtuvolumeudU

Electricity & Magnetism Lecture 23, Slide 16

ucI

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Waves Carry Energy

Electricity & Magnetism Lecture 23, Slide 17

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Just another way to keep track of all this:

Its magnitude is equal to IIts direction is the direction of propagation of the wave

Comment on Poynting Vector

Electricity & Magnetism Lecture 23, Slide 18

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Power in EM Waves: Example

A cell phone tower has a transmitter with a power of 100 W. What is the magnitude of the peak electric field a distance 1500 m (~ 1 mile) from the tower? Assume the transmitter is a point source.

2 2 2

100 W W3.5

4 4 1500 m

PI

r m

0

E BI S

1/2

7 8 6

0

mV2 4 10 3 10 3.5 10 51

m - - E

What is the intensity of the wave 1500 m from the tower?A) 1.5 nW/m2 B) 3.5 W/m2 C) 6 mW/m2

What is the peak value of the electric field?

0

E E

c

2

0

0

1

2

E

c0 02 E cI

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Checkpoint 1 b

Electricity & Magnetism Lecture 23, Slide 22

Which of the following actions will increase the energy carried by an electromagnetic wave?

A. Increase E keeping constant B. Increase keeping E constant

C. Both of the above will increase the energy D. Neither of the above will increase the energy

But then again, what are we keeping constant here?

WHAT ABOUT PHOTONS?

The energy of one photon is Ephoton = hf = h/2

Uwave = Nphotons x Ephoton

Ephoton / Volume = 1/2 e0E02

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We believe the energy in an e-m wave is carried by photons

Question: What are Photons?

Answer: Photons are Photons.

Photons possess both wave and particle propertiesParticle:

Energy and Momentum localizedWave:

They have definite frequency & wavelength ( f c)

Question: How can something be both a particle and a wave?Answer: It can’t (when we observe it)What we see depends on how we choose to measure it!The mystery of quantum mechanics: More on this in PHYS 214

h 6.63e-34 J - s

Planck’s constantConnections seen in equations:

E hf

p h/

Photons

Electricity & Magnetism Lecture 23, Slide 23

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Exercise

An electromagnetic wave is described by: where is the unit vector in the y direction.

A B C D

Which of the following graphs represents the z - dependence of Bx at t 0?

X

E and B are “in phase” (or 180o out of phase)

X

x

y

z

E

B

x

y

z

Wave moves in z direction

j

Electricity & Magnetism Lecture 23, Slide 24

tkzEjE - cosˆ0

tkzEjE - cosˆ0

BE

Points in direction of propagation

tkzBiB -- cosˆ0

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Exercise

An electromagnetic wave is described by:

z points out of screen

-z points into screen x

y

B

E

x

y

z

Wave moves in -z direction

Electricity & Magnetism Lecture 23, Slide 25

BE

Points in direction of propagation

What is the form of B for this wave?

A)

B)

C)

D)

tkzcEji

B

cos/2

ˆˆ0

tkzcEji

B -

cos/2

ˆˆ0

tkzcEji

B -

cos/2

ˆˆ0

tkzcEji

B --

cos/2

ˆˆ0

tkzEji

E

cos2

ˆˆ0

tkzEji

E

cos2

ˆˆ0

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Exercise

An electromagnetic wave is described by:

Wave moves in negative z - direction

Which of the following plots represents Bx(z) at time t /2 ?

A B C D

Electricity & Magnetism Lecture 23, Slide 26

tkzEjE sinˆ0

z points out of screen

- z points into screen

x

y

B

E

BE

Points in direction of propagation

)(sin)/(ˆ 0 tkzcEiB

at t /2:

)2/(sin)/( 0 kzcEBx

)2/(sincos)2/(cossin)/( 0 kzkzcEBx

)cos()/( 0 kzcEBx

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Exercise

A certain unnamed physics professor was arrested for running a stoplight. He said the light was green. A pedestrian said it was red. The professor then said: “We are both being truthful; you just need to account for the Doppler effect !”

As professor approaches stoplight, the frequency of its emitted light will be shifted UP

The speed of light does not change

Therefore, the wavelength (c/f) would be shifted DOWN

If he goes fast enough, he could observe a green light !

Is it possible that the professor’s argument is correct? (green 500 nm, red 600 nm)

A) YES B) NO

Electricity & Magnetism Lecture 23, Slide 27

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Follow-Up

How fast would the professor have to go to see the light as green? (green 500 nm, red 600 nm)

A) 540 m/s B) 5.4 x 104 m/s C) 5.4 x 107 m/s D) 5.4 x 108 m/s

c 3 x 108 m/s v 5.4 x 107 m/s

A certain unnamed physics professor was arrested for running a stoplight. He said the light was green. A pedestrian said it was red. The professor then said: “We are both being truthful; you just need to account for the Doppler effect !”

Change the charge to speeding!

Electricity & Magnetism Lecture 23, Slide 28

b

b

-

1

1

500

600

f

f

Relativistic Doppler effect:b

b

-

1

1ff

)1(25)1(36 bb - 18.061

11b

2.05

1bNote approximation for small b is not bad: )1( b ff