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You Funded Your Own Loan With Your Signature - On a Promisorry Note

YOU FUNDED YOUR OWN LOAN WITH YOURSIGNATURE.....ON A PROMISSORY NOTE

WHAT THE FEDERAL RESERVE AND THE GOVERNMENT ARE DOINGAT THE NATIONAL LEVEL, LOCAL BANKS ARE DOING WITH US ATTHE LOCAL LEVEL. The only difference is that instead of printing newnotes, the banks are creating new checkbook money each time theymake a loan.

Here's what happens when you go to the bank to get a loan for yourvehicle:

The bank has you sign a Promissory Note.The back of the note is then stamped, "pay to order of" or

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similar words.The note is then deposited into a transaction account in yourname. Now this was not disclosed to you before you signed thenote and you did not give them the authority to open atransaction account on your name.The bank then writes a check from your transaction accountdeposit that you had no knowledge of, either to you ortransfers the amount to those who should be receiving it.The bank then sells the note to Federal Reserve or into thesecurities market. The proceeds of which, are used to fund thealleged loan.

Through the bank selling your note, YOU PAID FOR YOUR PURCHASEWITH THE PROMISSORY NOTE. Your note was treated by the bank asan asset that could be exchanged for cash. Anything that you canexchange for cash is an asset. What 95 % of America does notrealize is that within our monetary system a Promissory Note is anasset. The moment you signed that note it became money to thebank. There was no money in existence until you signed the note.Once the bank stamped it "pay to the order of" it became anegotiable instrument. To the bank, it had Present Value, becausethey were able to sell it for cash. To you it only had Future Value.What's wrong with this loan scenario? You always suspected thatthere was something not right when you went for a loan from thebank. Now you know what it is. Let me give you a simple illustrationthat will help you to understand this.

Imagine if you came to me needing a loan.

You: "Can you give me a loan for $10,000."Me: "sure I'll loan you $10,000, but you have to give me an assetworth $10,000."You: "All I've got is this diamond ring worth $10,000."Me: "That will do." I then take the ring and sell it for $10,000, andcome back to You with a check for $10,000.Me: "Here's your $10,000 loan at 10% interest, and the paymentsare $200 a month for x number of years."You: "xxxxxxx!" We won't even print what you would tell me to dowith that loan.

In fact if you called the police I would go to jail for fraud, loansharking, racketeering etc. BUT THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE BANKSARE DOING EVERY SINGLE DAY.

Now what is wrong with this loan? EVERYTHING!

It's not a loan. It's an exchange. We simply exchanged yourdiamond for a $10,000 check.It never cost me anything to make the loan. I brought nothingto the table. My assets did not decrease by $10,000, as wouldbe the case in a true, honest loan. Therefore I had no risk.


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You provided the asset (the diamond ring). I merely sold it andgave you back your money, and then had the unmitigated gallto charge you interest on nothing.

In the same way, YOUR PROMISSORY NOTE BECAME THE FUNDINGINSTRUMENT OF YOUR BANK LOAN. The bank received it as anasset, as legal tender, i.e. in the form of money and deposited in anaccount. According to the Uniform Commercial Code, a promissorynote is a negotiable instrument, and is therefore legal tender. Assuch it is the funding instrument. Therefore there was no loan. Itwas an exchange. Your note which, could be monetized by the bank,was exchanged for the bank's check. And the bank lied and called ita loan. Banks and lending institutions only appear to lend money.

The "lending" techniques that are used are beyond brilliant. It tooksome very, very smart people to figure out how to appear to belending money, but in actuality have the value supplied by theperson wanting a loan. And that is what is happening.

"THIS IS TOO INCREDIBLE TO BELIEVE, SHOW ME PROOF."If you are finding this rather difficult to believe, let's look at someFederal Reserve Bank publications, which actually admit that this ishow bank loans work.

"Transaction deposits are the modern counterpart of bank notes. Itwas a small step from printing notes to making book entriescrediting deposits of borrowers, which the borrowers in turncould "spend" by writing checks, thereby "printing" their ownmoney."

Modern Money Mechanics, page 3, Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago.

"Of course they do not really pay out loans from the moneythey receive as deposits. If they did this, no additional moneywould be created. What they do when they make loans is toaccept promissory notes in exchange for credits to theborrowers' transaction accounts. Loans (assets) and deposits(liabilities) both rise by $9,000. Reserves are unchanged by the loantransactions. But the deposit credits constitute new additions to thetotal deposits of the banking system."

Modern Money Mechanics, page 6, Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago.

According to the Fed, it is not their policy to make loans from otherdepositor's money. Neither do they make loans from their ownassets. They make loans by accepting promissory notes in exchangefor credits to the borrower's transaction account. They even admitthat it's an exchange. IF IT'S AN EXCHANGE HOW CAN IT BE ALOAN?

"In exchange for the note or security, the lending institution credits


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the depositor's account or gives a check that can be deposited at yetanother depository institution."

Two Faces of Debt, page 19 Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago.You want more proof: THE BANK'S OWN BOOKKEEPINGENTRIES ARE PROOF. Let's say the bank receives a $1,000.00check deposit. It is recorded as an asset to the bank. But in order tobalance their books, on the other side of the ledger they have torecord a $1,000.00 liability. The bank has an asset for $1,000.00,but it also has a liability of $1,000.00 to you, the depositor.

The bank owes you $1,000.00. You have a right to draw on that$1,000.00 whenever you choose. Now when you purchased yourvehicle instead of a check you gave the bank a signed promissorynote. The bank deposited it, just like a check or cash, in atransaction account in your name. Now remember that all depositsare received as assets to the bank. However, they also have acorresponding liability to the face value of your promissory note.Therefore, in reality you don't owe the bank anything. You simplyexchanged your promissory note for their check, which paid for thevehicle. The account is a wash.

SO WHY ARE WE PAYING MONTHLY PAYMENTS AND INTEREST FORSOMETHING THAT, WITHIN OUR MONETARY SYSTEM, HAS ALREADYBEEN PAID FOR?

Actually the bank owes you! They still do not own yourpromissory note. They made an exchange - your promissory note(asset to the bank) was exchanged for the face value of the note.They deposited your note and then sold it remember. Therefore, ontheir books they still have a liability to you.

Also see these other supporting articles:

U.C.C. Foundations - The Story of Money:YOU FUNDED YOUR OWN LOAN WITH YOUR SIGNATURE.....ON A PROMISSORY NOTEUCC Basics & HistoryUCC Strawman: Meet Your Straw ManUNDERSTANDING THE UCC - by Barton Albert BuhtzCoupon Instructions for Accepted for Value A4VWhat Does Accepted for Value Mean?Accepted for Value StampsSignature Without Liability Primer ( 1 2)UCC REDEMPTIONThe Tavistock Conspiracy - The Long Time Enforcers of U.C.CINSTRUCTIONS: 0.5. COMMERCIAL LAW AND THE UNIFORMCOMMERCIAL CODE (UCC)Frequently Asked Questions on the U.C.C. (UniformCommercial Code)


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Just a quick comment, Phil.

I notice the article posted above was pasted fromFreedom Club Usa. Although the information itself in thispost is nearly 100% true and accurate, I would stronglyreccommend removing all references to FCUSA. Thereason for this is because Freedom Club Usa claims to becreating a financial remedy for members debts, but intruth they are a scam.

I don't think you'll feel very good if someone decided toclick through to the club and be scammed out ofthousands of dollars. I should also add that much of theinformation on their site is not true. You got lucky withthis one, as this article is one of the true ones. You maywant to look elsewhere for additional information. Theclub leaders also heavily promote and practice occult andnew age rituals on open calls, such as channeling spirits,pendelums, etc.

If you need me to further defend my case, I would bemore than glad to do so.

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Originally Posted by Hughes Just a quick comment, Phil.

I notice the article posted above was pasted from FreedomClub Usa. Although the information itself in this post isnearly 100% true and accurate, I would stronglyreccommend removing all references to FCUSA. The reasonfor this is because Freedom Club Usa claims to be creating afinancial remedy for members debts, but in truth they are ascam.

I don't think you'll feel very good if someone decided to clickthrough to the club and be scammed out of thousands ofdollars. I should also add that much of the information ontheir site is not true. You got lucky with this one, as thisarticle is one of the true ones. You may want to lookelsewhere for additional information. The club leaders alsoheavily promote and practice occult and new age rituals onopen calls, such as channeling spirits, pendelums, etc.

If you need me to further defend my case, I would be morethan glad to do so.

Hughes.

I was hoping someone like you would come along and offer theirknowledge. I am new and quite ignorant of the UCC and don't wantmyself or anyone else here to learn wrong, or to be ripped off frommerciless scammers.

Is there anyone out there who has done all the work, collected allthe forms, knows how to process them correctly and who eithergives it away free or sells it at a fair price?

Also, would it be possible to chat on the phone sometime in thefuture? I understand if no, because everyone I have seen thus farcharges for their time, and its expensive, and your really not sure ifthey have it down correctly or not.

Anyways, thanks for taking the time to sign up and offer your help,much appreciated!

Also, would you mind listing the very best resources for thisinformation along with links?

Cheers-Phil


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Hughes,

Howdy and welcome to the forums. I am studyingaccepted for value and I am looking for someone withknowledge and experience to help me through the maze.Are you familiar with Tim Turner and thecreditorsincommerce.com website?

I am looking for enlightenment and assistance here and Ithought you might just lend me a hand.

BTW, I recently broke my back and I'm in a lot of painwith spotty online access opportunity. So my input andresponse may somewhat less than professional.

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Your $10,000 auto loan is a collaterlized loan. The pinkslip is filed with the DMV with the Bank as legal ownerand the borrower as registerd owner. You've given thebank a lien on the auto. If you default they file in courtand get a notice of repossion and the tow truck rolls overto your home at midnight and picks up the bankcollateral and you are liable for any shortages on theloan. Right?

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Where did that $10,000 originate from? Was there fulldisclosure to all parties in the contract?__________________

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Originally Posted by John Clearwater

BTW, I recently broke my back and I'm in a lotof pain with spotty online access opportunity. Somy input and response may somewhat less thanprofessional.

Cheers~

I was wondering where you have been hiding at lately.Spotty access to the web is it? I know that feeling. I livenext to an upscale motel that supplies an open Internetconnection to it's costumers so I can usually connectthrough it but there are those times when a maid orsomebody places something next to the router or bumpsthe antenna and I won't be able to connect until theobject is moved or one of the customers complain andthey check the routers and fix them. But what the hell,I'll take Free and spotty over 70 bucks a month and onlyslightly less spotty any time.

So Rob, hows that back of yours doing? Is it still hurtingyou like it was or are you recovering? After all it has


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been a while since the fall and I would hope that you areat least on the road to recovering your mobility. Hopeyour feeling better because I know what it is like dealingwith chronic back pain and it isn't any fun.

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Promissory Note templates for purchasing Real Estate?

Hi

I have been reading through the posts on this forum and Ihave to say that this forum is the most refreshing that I'vefound on the subject of redemption. There are so manyarguments going on everywhere else, it's difficult to pick upimportant info due to the overwhelming drama that hasoccurred around "scams" "fraud" "illegal xyz" etc. Thank youfor making sense.

I have come here seeking advice/templates on creating apromissory note for the purchase of Real Estate for the exactreason that this post has been made.

I am constructing a promissory note to purchase a propertythat I do not yet own. My intention is:

1) To accept for value the offer made on MLS for sales priceWITHOUT making my own offer (which I know will void theiroffer), and WITHOUT an earnest money deposit (which I knowwill also void their offer because I paid them with federalreserve notes).2) To construct a promissory note against the bond that Iregistered with the US Treasury that pays the offered amounton the property.3) To record/certify the promissory note at the county clerk'soffice.4) To hand in said promissory note with 1040 Voucher to bank,and purchase property.5) To acquire keys for property.

These are the promissory notes that I am using to construct


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my own property purchasing promissory note:

Winston Shrout:

__________________________

BONDED PROMISSORY NOTE#XXXX

To the Order of: Henry M. Paulsen, Jr., dba the Secretary ofthe US Treasury, and The Honorable Bill Bradley, dbaSecretary of State of Oregon.

In the Amount of: Five Million ($5,000,000.00) in USD

For: The Honorable Bill Bradley, Secretary of State of Oregon

Account: Private Offset Bond XXXX to Henry M. Paulsen, Jr.the Secretary of the US Treasury.

This negotiable instrument, tendered by Winston Shrout,hereinafter “Maker”, in good faith, and in accord with Law,shall evidence as a debt to the Payee as follows:

Payee shall, upon receipt of this instrument, charge theSecretary of State of Oregon via pass through accountWINSTON SHROUT 123456789 for the purpose of terminatingany past, present, or future liabilities express or impliedagainst the Secretary of State of Oregon, andPayee shall ledger this BONDED PROMISSORY NOTE for aperiod of five (5) years starting beginning of business on 19January 2007 until close of business 18 January 2012, at aninterest rate of seven (7%) percent per annum, andUpon maturity, this BONDED PROMISSORY NOTE shall be dueand payable in full with interest and any associated fees –payment shall be ledgered against the bond, PRIVATEINDEMNITY BOND, USPS Tracking No. _7006 0810 0006 4302XXXX_ , as secured by Henry M. Paulsen, Jr., the Secretary ofthe US Treasury.

________ ______________________________date authorized representative

**************************************************


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*******************************************Winston Shrout Henry M. Paulsen Jr.c/o Box 4043 Department of the TreasuryHillsboro, Oregon state 1500 Pennsylvania Ave NWNon-domestic without US Washington, DC 20220

Bill BradleySecretary of State of Oregon136 State CapitalSalem, Oregon 97310

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RJ Promissory Note

--------------------------------------------CERTIFIED PROMISSORY NOTE

Note Number RJS01F02564X Date: ________________

PAY TO THEORDER OF Clerk of the Court, DISTRICT COURT $69,178.02Sixty-nine thousand one-hundred seventy-eight DOLS two CTS

This instrument, in accord with Law, as codified at the UtahUniform Commercial Code 70A-3-104, is tendered in goodfaith, pursuant to Public Policy at HJR-192 of 5 June 1933, andthe Uniform Copmmercial Code 10-104, as full satisfaction of apurported debt claimed and purported to be owed by and toPayee/Respondent herein, Clerk of the Court, DISTRICTCOURT, CLARK COUNTY, NEVADA, d.b.a., a Debt Collector, asper Payee/Respondent’s presentment: “12/17/01” “Case #C179995” “Amount $69,178.02”, a true and correct copy ofwhich is attached hereto and referenced herein.

On demand the undersigned maker promises paying theherein Instrument upon Uniform Commercial Code 3-501 and3-111 presentment and indorsement.

As an operation of Law, payee/respondent agrees by tacitadmission, that there is accord and satisfaction by use ofinstrument tendered upon payee/respondent’s claim andpetitioner/maker is hereby discharged from liability on thisaccount and the obligation is suspended, in accordance withLaw as codified at Utah Uniform Commercial Code 70A-3-603and 70A-3-310 (b) and 311..

The Undersigned Maker does not waive timeliness however, ifadditional time is needed by payee/respondent, suchadditional time must be requested in writing before the


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expiration thereof and the reasons as to why an extension oftime is requested should be given in writing with good causeshown. Payee/respondent’s request for an extension of time,will be considered and will be subject to approval by theundersigned maker.

In the event that the herein Instrument is not timelypresented for payment within a reasonable period of time(twenty-one (21) days), and there has been no request for anextension of time, that has been subsequently granted, then,payee/respondent agrees by tacit admission agrees thatpayee/respondent has no bona fide verifiable claim to thisaccount.

Payee/respondent agrees by tacit admission thatpayee/respondent has a duty to prevent this account fromresulting in any damage to petitioner/maker.Payee/respondent confesses judgment and petitioner/maker,reserves the right to initiate a counterclaim or to claim thebond or surety of the payee/respondent or any principal(s),agent(s), or assign(s) of payee/respondent whose act(s). orfailure(s) to act result in tort damages upon petitioner/maker.Petitioner/maker(s) surety is guaranteed at 18 USC @1581,1342, 1341, 242, 241, and 4, and at 15 USC @ 1692.

BY ORDER OF ROBERT J. SMITH, Petitioner/Maker

By: _________________________________________________________Robert J. Smith, Secured Party, Creditor Witnessc/o 123 MainAnytown, Utah [84770] ____________________________WitnessAuthorized person indorse below. Print name and official title.(Official Identification Required), when presenting thisInstrument for payment. A form of identification with aphotograph will be required, that includes, any State Driver’sLicense or ID Card, or a Passport.

____________________________________________________________________________________Print Name of Indorser Form of Photo ID

____________________________________________________________________________________Official Title of Indorser Form of Official Identification____________________________________________________________________________________Date of Presentment and Endorsement Signature of Endorser


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Right thumb print:---------------------------------

DOCSTOC Real Estate Promissory Note:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/203514/R...ect-Reduction_

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I have put together a promissory note, combining text fromWinston Shrout's PN and the laws and detail from RJ's PN, andI am using the format of the Real Estate PN while using someof their terminology as well to come up with this:

------------------------------BONDED PROMISSORY NOTE

$_________ ________, 20__

This negotiable instrument, in accord with Law, as codified atthe Michigan Uniform Commercial Code 440.3103, is tenderedin good faith by FIRST AND LAST NAME 123456789,hereinafter “Maker”, pursuant to Public Policy at HJR-192 of 5June 1933, and the Uniform Commercial Code 10-104, forvalue received with an address of______________________________ full satisfaction ofamount offered for property located in the: City of (City name)county of (county) at location (property legal location of lotetc.) , address of (1234 Easy Street, Anytown, UT Zip Code)by Payee/Respondent herein, (Clerk of the Court, DISTRICTCOURT, CLARK COUNTY, NEVADA, d.b.a.), (a Bank), as perPayee/Respondent’s offer: “(08/10/10)” “(Residential MLS #)”“Amount ($0000000)”, a true and correct copy of which isattached hereto and referenced herein.On demand the undersigned maker promises paying theherein Instrument upon Uniform Commercial Code 3-501 and3-111 presentment and indorsement.As an operation of Law, payee/respondent agrees by tacitadmission, that there is accord and satisfaction by use ofinstrument tendered upon payee/respondent’s offer and(petitioner/maker is hereby discharged from liability on thisaccount and the obligation is suspended, in accordance withLaw as codified at Michigan Uniform Commercial Code440.3603 and 440.2511 and 311.) Should I use this line in(parenthesis)?? Doesn't seem appropriate for this kind of PN,but I don't know in which way to word this)The Undersigned Maker does not waive timeliness however, ifadditional time is needed by payee/respondent, suchadditional time must be requested in writing before theexpiration thereof and the reasons as to why an extension of


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time is requested should be given in writing with good causeshown. Payee/respondent’s request for an extension of time,will be considered and will be subject to approval by theundersigned maker.In the event that the herein Instrument is not timelypresented for payment within a reasonable period of time(twenty-one (21) days), and there has been no request for anextension of time, that has been subsequently granted, then,payee/respondent agrees by tacit admission thatpayee/respondent has no bona fide verifiable claim to thisaccount.(Payee/respondent agrees by tacit admission thatpayee/respondent has a duty to prevent this account fromresulting in any damage to petitioner/maker.) I think I shouldmake this say something in regards to the Payee/respondentgiving me the keys and title or something like that to theproperty upon their acceptance of payment?? Not sure though.Payee/respondent confesses judgment and petitioner/maker,reserves the right to initiate a counterclaim or to claim thebond or surety of the payee/respondent or any principal(s),agent(s), or assign(s) of payee/respondent whose act(s) orfailure(s) to act result in tort damages upon petitioner/maker.Petitioner/maker(s) surety is guaranteed at 18 USC @1581,1342, 1341, 242, 241, and 4, and at 15 USC @ 1692.Payee shall, upon receipt of this instrument, charge the____________ via pass through account FIRST AND LASTNAME 123456789 for the purpose of satisfying the abovementioned offer referenced in this Instrument, andPayee shall ledger this BONDED PROMISSORY NOTE for aperiod of twenty-one (21) days starting beginning of businesson 10 August 2010 until close of business 31 August 2010, atan interest rate of _______(%) percent per annum, andUpon maturity, this BONDED PROMISSORY NOTE shall be dueand payable in full with interest and any associated fees –payment shall be ledgered against the bond, PRIVATEINDEMNITY BOND, USPO REGISTERED MAIL NUMBER:_______________, as secured by Timothy Geithner, theSecretary of the US Treasury.

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These are my questions:

1) Should I call the bank "Lender" or "Payee/Respondent" orsomething different?2) Are the sections that I have in parenthesis for changesappropriate, and if not, how could I reword them?3) Should I switch the information I entered from WinstonShrout to the top of the promissory note?4) Does the promissory note need to be this complicated?


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5) Should I add or omit some of the Michigan UCC codes tomake it more applicable to Real Estate?

These are some good questions to start lol. Sorry about thelong post.

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Welcome to the forum! I will forward this to rob & meg who havedone the most work to date regarding these issues, and perhapsthey can lend some assistance or help you in some way.

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Originally Posted by Phil Jayhan Welcome to the forum! I will forward this to rob& meg who have done the most work to dateregarding these issues, and perhaps they canlend some assistance or help you in some way.

Cheers-phil

Hello Phil,

I had to change my user name because my passwordwasn't working on TheCharitableSort, hopefully I will beable to figure that out. Please send your friend requesthere so that I can be sure to respond to you.

Thank you very much for the help, I truly appreciate it!

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