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Who are the 24 Elders a revelation Billyji

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Hello everyone The title of this thread Who are the 24 elders is a question I asked myself when I was in

my late teens

40yrs on (58 now) with many years of insight I would like to share with you what information I have

gathered concerning who these universal Elders are I usually try and express myself using as few

meaningful words as possible but this is not possible with what I am trying to share here

This is going to be a long one so Please bear with me You may want to bookmark this page and come

back when you have more time

I am not going to be all biblical with you Hopefully this will be a thread where spirituality and science

meet

I will share my own personal experience Later on I will bring in where others have mentioned the Elders

and finally some scientists who are managing in our times to think outside the box I do understand that

there will be many more than 24 Elders in the universe There will be many other Elders so what I present

here may possibly be not all one and the same group of Elders

I do not believe that the bible or other religious scriptures are 100 gospel truth but hidden in amongst the

myre there are some gems of truths And I would like to share what I believe to be one of those gems of

truth

First I will share a little about myself as Bill has requested when people create threads and for you to see

where I am coming from I have mentioned before in other threads here in Avalon some of my experiences

I have had throughout my life

Here is a brief summary

1957-59 repetitive dream of meeting a collective of universal beings I mention more here

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1967 watched a UFO hover above me for half an hour

1985 An encounter with mother Mary up a mountain in Bosnia

991-1996 Assisting Bosnian Muslims who were subjects of genocide

1999 a meeting with a spiritual healer who put his hand inside my body leaving no marks

2002 - 2005 In India and encountered ancient manuscripts ( Naadi Shastra) A geonology beginning from

the original 12tribes that had my name and past lives written within

2005 India again two weeks after Tsunami An instruction written within the Naadi for me to carry out To

go to a place and plant a tree This led me yet again with another encounter with mother Mary and

Tsunami victims where the Tsunami had hit worst in India They asked me to give them a talk which i did

I have no religious upbringing My father was an atheist and God was never to be mentioned in our home

A skelp across the head was the consequence if God was mentioned

Around 15 yrs old I take an interest in different religions and begin reading various scriptures Bhagavad

Gita Bible Koran etc Attending the Krishna temple in Edinburgh on their open day lovely vegetarian

food for free -) I am already aware that ETs exist because of my personal experiences and while reading

scriptures I am actually searching for evidence written in scriptures confirming their existence My

findings confirm that ETs and their crafts are mentioned in many various ways in most scriptures


I was not a Christian although later on in life in my 30s I did experience Christianity Hinduism and

Islam but I became fascinated with the book named the bible in my teens I say book because that was

what it was to me

I read it as a book beginning at page one When I get to the last chapter (revelations) I find the 24 Elders

mentioned for the first time and I ask myself

Who are these guys

I begin reading again this time taking notes This is a few years on I am serving my time as a carpenter

and take the bible to work with me reading at break times You can imagine the stick I received when all

the builders are reading their Sun or Star newspapers comparing page three pinups I take no notice but my

boss notices me and he is a Mason and he asked me for the first time to come to the lodge with him This

is an official invite which I replied thanks but no thanks All his business contracts were connected to

masonic connections For example The church of Scotland lawyers judges etc

Because of my connections I met several Church of Scotland ministers Some were very approachable and

we would chat I would always take the opportunity to drop in the question Who are the 24 Elders

mentioned in Revelation Their answer was ldquoI do not knowrdquo Later in life I met Catholic priests and

would ask them also Same answer

One said We are not taught about them at the seminaries Now and then one would try and answer with

total nonsense

For example ldquoOh they are some of the people that Jesus freed from hades during the three days before the

resurrectionrdquo Or another answer would be ldquoThey are the twelve disciples and the twelve patriarchsrdquo

But the Elders are the ancient ones They are much older And the only way the 24 Elders could be the

Disciples and the Patriarchs was if the Elders had incarnated here on earth as those humans Which is

possible

Twelve plus twelve is getting close to the answer as I will explain later For now I would like for you to

think DNA strand

Here I quote what John said in the Bible concerning the 24 Elders

The Throne in Heaven Rev 4

After this I looked and there before me was a door standing open in heaven And the voice I had

first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said ldquoCome up here and I will show you what must take

place after thisrdquo

2 At once I was in the Spirit and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it

3 And the one who sat there had the appearance of jasper and ruby A rainbow that shone like an

emerald encircled the throne

4 Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones and seated on them were twenty-four

elders They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads

5 From the throne came flashes of lightning rumblings and peals of thunder In front of the throne

seven lamps were blazing These are the seven spirits[a] of God

6 Also in front of the throne there was what looked like a sea of glass clear as crystal

In the center around the throne were four living creatures and they were covered with eyes in

front and in back

7 The first living creature was like a lion the second was like an ox the third had a face like a man

the fourth was like a flying eagle

8 Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around even under

its wings


End Quote

At this point I would like to mention Mauro Biglinos research on the literal translation of the OT and the

thread is here

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What he brought to the table complemented my own findings and I thank him for inspiring me to create

this thread because of his work

With reference to the bible quote above concerning the four living creatures Animals or beasts depending

on what translation is used with eyes front and back (windows)

Although Biglino has only worked on the OT he mentions Ezekels (1 10 and 6) experience with the same

four creatures And that the creatures are Flying Crafts I agree and John also saw the same crafts when

with the Elders

When I became so curious as to who the Elders were there seemed to be no knowledge or answers coming

from any sources I did not purchase my first computer until 2008 but even then when I searched asking

Who are the 24 elders in Rev there were no results apart from what I mentioned above

As my own personal spiritual journey expanded mid 1980s now 33 yrs old By this time I am fasting twice

a week meditating praying and my inner voice was becoming clearer and during meditation one day I ask

the universe Who are the 24 Elders My inner locution replied loud and clear to meditate on the word

ELDERS and look within the bigger picture on a universal level

In earthy terms an Elder is usually the Eldest of a tribe who carries within them the wisdom and knowledge

of that tribe and their ancestors

Also sometimes known as the wisdom keepers and some have knowledge of healing abilities

I asked if the 24 Elders were the Elders of a universal civilization or a planet Close I was told The

reply was More than that I was told they are the Ancient ones and each one of the 24 Elders is connected

to universal civilizations

They are the guardians and wisdom keepers of humanity

The 24 Elders are responsible for seeding the twelve tribes on earth (Think DNA) I use the Jerusalem

bible Translated from Aramaic and Hebrew into English by quite a few Hebrew Scholars One of these

scholars who was an expert in ancient Hebrew was none other than JRR Tolkien This edition has great

footnotes In the footnotes referring to the 24 again it divides them into 12 plus 12 12 foundation stones

and 12 gates I have also read elsewhere 12 pillars and 12 gateways (could this be our DNA strand)

Now we are getting somewhere I thought

Just to mention that Hinduism also has the original 12 tribes and the 24 are the 24 aspects of God (working

as a collective I would say my thoughts)

So the 12 tribes are not only connected to Israel And according to the Naadi Shastra in Brahman Hinduism

we all are descended from the original 12 tribes

They also have ancient manuscripts concerning all souls from the original 12 tribes up to today and into the

future I have had the pleasure of having my own personal geneology read to me But thatrsquos another story

Now I think I have expressed my own personal experience as to how I became interested in the Elders I

did not gain much more knowledge until many years later But I was content with what I had learned I will

now move on into what others have expressed in recent years concerning the Elders

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Who are the 24 Elders Part 2

Kerry Cassidy recently interviewed John Kettler httpwwwyoutubecomwatchv=wZHva_ew9sI

In this interview John mentions the Elder race at the 2hr20min mark who are working with China But he

admits he has no more information In fact he had to ask Upstairs if it was ok to speak about them (Now

why would it not be)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Our own Kimberley interviewed John Kettler not long after Kerry and asked if anyone had questions to ask

John here in Avalon

Guess what my question was You got it

Ask John who the Elders are he mentioned in Kerrys interview

httpwwwblogtalkradiocombelovenw-john-kettler

His reply was that he only knows that they are a very ancient

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Here we have the Entity from the Chani Project There are a few references and threads here on Avalon

regarding the Chani Project

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Read herehttpthechaniprojectcomnexushtml

And here httpthechaniprojectcomforumindexphp

A little introduction to the project

During the years 1994 to 1999 a group of researchers from an organizationcorporation which I will call

RAND and Associates or RA had access to an underground CERN-like collider facility in Africa (the

location is still classified)

A contingent of AFRICOM security personnel was tasked with securing the base and of course keeping

its location secret The AFRICOM station commander made and supervised all the travel and

accommodation arrangements for the team of researchers

They were closely watched 247 Between those years the researchers started receiving communications

from an Entity who claimed to be from a parallel universedimensiontimeline

A remarkable and groundbreaking interaction ensued For a period of five years researchers asked the

Entity a series of over 20000 questions and received answers to more than 95 per cent of questions asked

Remember this was an electronic communication and not channeling through a person Please read the

information regarding the Entityrsquos style of writing

Elders mentioned by the Entity

Here the Entity explains free will

me ask elders about explain frewil beter

elders say me explain like this

god give u eg

eg is there eg already created eg exist


u use frewil decide what do about eg

u can make choice boil eg eat eg

u can make choice bake eg eat eg

u can make choice u leve eg but eg get roten but eg stil there

u can make choice u not eat other animal so u throw eg away eg get roten somewere else but eg stil

exist u wil smel eg eventualy

eventualy u must decide and deal with eg

time colide is like eg

god make time colide

time colide is there time colide already created time colide exist

eventualy u must decide what u want do with time colide and deal with it

u can not change what god created but with frewil u must decide what u do with time colide ok

me say eat eg because eg good for u b4 get roten then eg very bad 4 u

And here Quote

me ask elders about gold

elders say eye must ask

eye ask now

where is this gold

yor leaders not keep gold

yor leaders not have many gold anymore

leaders always give yor gold to other planet beings

why u not know this

u not wory gold

gold not keep place safe 4 yor family u not eet gold

biger wory when oil gets sickness

At the end of the article we read this in the notes

A further help was how the Entity described the direct and planned influence of the Moon on the

human perception of time Because the Entity didnt have a moon in his paralleltime universe (they

destroyed or killed it) giving a year date was impossible and turned their calculation of our time into

probabilities rather than possibilities

The Entity explained that his Elders originally had calculated our dates using a 28-day 13-month

mathematical model but that they themselves couldnt decide on the appropriate maths and starting dates

to use with our current timeline on Earth The procession of time and our awareness of time are directly

controlled by our Moon

The Moon has an effect on the body mind and spirit of every living organism on this planet

This is why the Entitys Elders destroyed their moon They wanted to get rid of the moons influence

They received the advice to do so from inner-planet beings Without the moon there were five

immediately observable changes


(1) The most notable changes were in the mood and temperament of the beingscivilizations living there

Without the moon they became more calm and peaceful Anxiety and emotional fear had a dramatic

decline among the population and even the animals

All living beings were affected

(2) There were weather and climate changes The oceans became much calmer Heavy thunderstorms and

lightning became a rarity

The climate became balanced all over their planet Extreme cold or heat became something of the past

(3) They developed an enhanced new colour spectrum They could see and differentiate between new

colours in a way that they couldnt do before

(4) A great majority of the population became aware of their telepathic communication abilities especially

between parents and children and among siblings

Children born after the demise of the moon were able to communicate with inner-plane beings without

the need of training Elder guidance or instruments

(5) There were major changes to their respiratory system Their blood and breathing chemistry changed or

adapted

Children born after the moons demise were able to hold their breath under water for hours at a time

(6) I have to point out to the reader that there were certain topics that the Entity was very reluctant to

address or to provide more detail on other than what was already covered Some topics were refused

outright (these topics are classified) One of these reluctant topics was the naming and description of

inner-Earth beings their role in our development as well as the appointed hierarchy and who appointed

such a hierarchy

Go to the link above and read the introduction for information regarding the form of communication and

the style of the Entitiesrsquo communication

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Here we have the entity Hidden Hand commenting on the Council of Elders Again it seems that no

matter who you are in the cosmos one has to report to or ask permission from the Elders I have read many

times that for humanity to expand in consciousness we are required to experience negativity and separation

from the divine source creator I understand the concept

Link herehttpwwwabovetopsecretcomforumthread402958pg1

What I do not quite get is if we already had negative Angry jealous beings controlling humanity with

wars and divide and conquer scenarios why did we need even more catalysts of negativity I would have

loved to ask Hidden Hand a few questions

I will say however that whoever Hidden Hand is heshe holds great knowledge and truths I was not sure

how much of Hidden Hands comment to post but here you go

Quote

HH This is a very good question thank you I will split it into two parts and answer the second part after

this Firstly the Council of Elders are the absolute opposite of tyrannical They are the Wise and Loving

Guardians of our Galaxy

There is so much that one cannot understand from only a 3rd Density perspective When you reach higher

Densities you see that ultimately everything balances and there is only Unity All else than Unity is

Illusion or thought-form


The Council gave us a set of choices We chose to stay here to help you despite the cost to ourselves That

is the nature of Loving Service to Others The ultimate paradox in all this is that in this storyline we are

all co-creating together in order for us to be of the most Service to you we must be utterly self-serving I

do so love our Creators sense of irony

As to the first part of your question the biblical depiction of War in Heaven is not entirely inaccurate

I shall explain Our initial contract was to introduce the Catalyst for Free Will on this planet When

Yahweh initially began discourse with the Council of Elders he was not initially looking for help with

introducing Free Will but rather for guidance on how he could best speed up his (and his inhabitants)

evolutionary process

As I mentioned he was running a benign dictatorship We had at that time just completed an assignment

in Tau Ceti and had reported for our next duties We (as Group Soul Lucifer) were sent on a fact finding

expedition as it were to visit Earth and meet with Yahweh to evaluate his planetary Creation Laws and

make suggestions on how best he could help his offspring (this is the term I shall use to describe the

Souls who comprise the Group Soul) and thusly Yahweh to progress

We explored many options and reported our findings to the Council and to Yahweh It was our best

evaluation that the only real and fast track way to increase his evolvement meaningfully was the

introduction of Free Will It was not specifically the implementation of Free Will that Yahweh wanted help

with it was simply the introduction of a Catalyst

He was not at all pleased with our report that he needed to implement Free Will He was happy with his

little pet paradise and he didnt want to lose control of it In the end the Council persuaded him that it

was the best way and he reluctantly agreed We returned to Earth and had a cordial meeting with

Yahweh discussing how we could best implement the Free Will option

Yahweh was adamant that his offspring would choose to be loyal to him anyway and that they were so

contented with their way of life that they would always trust him and do as he said was best That he said

was his main reason that Free Will would not work well as the Catalyst Thats why he agreed to the

experiment of the Tree of Knowledge

He believed it would prove him right When it did not he became angry threw his toys out of the pram

and his offspring out of the garden and laid a big guilt trip on them about how they had broken his trust

and disobeyed him Thats not really an Honourable way for a Logos to behave but hey thats the beauty

of Free Will I guess

Next problem to occur was that his offspring were so grateful to us for our help that Yahweh became

(in his own admission) a Jealous God Then we had the whole you shall have no other gods than me

thing We were not pleased with the situation at all as a Logos should not be behaving like this with his

off-spring they are One after all

When we attempted to leave the planet to return to the Council Yahweh prevented our departure

We tried to leave again and were then thrown down into the Astral Planes and confined therein

The Council ordered us to be released but said we would have to cancel our contract to help the Souls on

Earth to evolve We didnt want to leave we found them very likable Beings really Positively Polarized

and we wanted to stay and help we just wanted also to be free to come and go as we pleased

The only way we could stay was to stay confined as a Group Soul which meant Cycles of incarnation for

us (as individuated Souls) which we had not done for a

long while As Ive stated before there is no wrong or right seen from a Higher Density but there are

still consequences for every action

Such is the law of Karmic effect The contract had already been made between Yahweh us and the

Council for us to provide the Catalyst so we had a right to be there the Karmic effect of Yahweh

imprisoning us on the Macrocosmic level was that his individuated Souls would be imprisoned on the

microcosmic level


The Infinite Creator gave Yahweh (and all) the gift of Free Will to Create as we choose but the Karmic

effect of his choice was the Council quarantining the planet A certain evolutionary level is required to be

a functioning part of a Positive Unified Galactic Society

As for fighting for the freedom of all souls remember that ultimately this is a Game that we are all

playing here We are actors playing on the stage of Life This world is all illusion or though-form

No one really dies and no one is really hurt In between incarnations you know this very well

But the rules of the game ensure that you must forget who you really are so that you believe it is all real

whilst you are playing the game of Life That is an essential prerequisite when you are making choices

Otherwise the game would be too easy This world is not reality Though we can express Reality in it if

we so chose

ATS OK so your family and fellow elites might be as entrapped in the Earthly realm as we are but why

actively propagate and aid the forces of enslavement

HH Because that is the part we have been contracted to play in this game In order to win (or more

accurately to be successful in) the Game we must be as Negatively Polarized as possible Service to Self in

the extreme Violence War Hatred Greed Control Enslavement Genocide Torture Moral Degradation

Prostitution Drugs all these things and more they serve our purpose In the Game

The difference between us and you in the Game is that we know that we are playing The less you know

about the Game and the less you remember that youre a player the more senseless living becomes In

all these Negative things we are providing you with tools But you do not see it It is not what we do but

how you react to it that is important We give you the tools You have the Free Will choice how you will

use them You have to take responsibility There is only One of Us here

Understand that and you will understand the Game

End Quote

Who are the Eders ndash Part 3

In 2005 a great friend of mine had been saying for a couple of years After listening to me gabbing on

about my experiences that she had a book stored in her attic that she wanted to lend me

This evening I was going on about the Elders and she said right ok we are going to the attic to find this

book so after searching through boxes she found the book

The book is titled The only planet of choice by transceiver Phyllis V Schemmer first published in 1993

Phyllis announced that she was not a channeler but a transceiver

The book represents the outcome of 20yrs of work by a distinguished international research group whose

members have been communicating through psychic transceiver Phyllis Schlemmer with an enlightened

circle of universal beings known as the council of 9

The entity who is the spokesman for this group is known by the name of Tom

It is said in the book of Enoch that books shall be given to certain people at the end of times When I was

reading this book all the dots connected I highly recommend this book to everyone I found some

transcript online here

httpia600409usarchiveorg16itnet_choicepdf

And some i have typed from the book itself

This is just a teaser then hopefully you will purchase this amazing collection of knowledge I am not sure

how many quotes to share here but here you go If you think there is to much text and you wish to skim

then read only the highlighted text coloured red

Here is what Tom says about the 24 Elders and Universal civilizations


Quote

While the number twelve is vital to the above conversation during the communications of May 1994 Tom

asked me to make it quite clear that this use of the number twelve does not refer to the Council nor should

it be used by humankind as a cultist number and finally to be aware that there could be some output

[channelings information] from civilisations not comprehending and saying that they are the Twelve

TomWe do not know how to explain It is knowing and not knowing at the same time Over a period of

time - if you play a game with your mind in your head you reach a point in your mind where you know

every game is that not so Therefore to create a game in which all parts of you had a choice to do as that

part wished but were connected it would then create a game in which you did not know the results Would

that not be more jollyful

Then the supposition came how do we create that game Not we you understand the Creator thought this

It is we and all It is you and all

So what is the best way to create that game You can put it in a sphere and jumble it around but then you

would recognise every part within the sphere would you not Therefore is it not better to release those

energies to the most distant arenas That is what happened It was the releasing of the energy of the

Creator that created

The intelligence that said I know all I do now I do not know all I do and I do know all I do If you were

to tell humankind it is a game they would not understand

JOHN Maybe it can be explained because it is a beautiful concept that the Big Bang is the greatest game

in town

Tom Universe Is a town a universe Yes Council has said a town is a universe yes

GUEST So you are confirming that the Big Bang astronomical theory of the beginning of the physical

Universe is the right kind of direction for scientists to follow

Tom That is correct

JOHN There is one God over other gods The other gods are the representatives of the one God

Tom Yes We are not representatives but gods There are gods of light and gods of darkness Do you

know why they are called gods

ANDREW I presume because they have extraordinary powers that are something like those of God

Tom Of which we are Yes

MIKI Could you give us an understanding of God the Creator

Tom When you speak of God do you mean the one that creates all

MIKI Yes

Tom There are those that are called God that are appendages to God that also create But there is One

the highest that is of the purest light that is a composite of all that creates all Each soul in the whole

Universe came directly from the true Creator so each soul is imbued with this energy

There is a collection of beings that generate outward points of this source but when they come together as

one pure energy of collectiveness then that energy becomes what you call God that creates all Each of

these entities has individual knowledge or principle but not of the whole

There is only one that has the whole When those energies that you call negative upon your planet Earth

attempt to destroy attempt to control others it is because they are in competition with God the one

Creator For in their cells they know the divinity within them and their personality takes hold and they

then attempt to be God It is sad yes

MIKI Thank you So in my understanding God also represents the negative side


Tom That is not so God created all and that which became the negative went in competition with God he

does not represent them I will attempt to explain

The Council has said I must try

There are gardeners who have been to this planet Earth They are those who seeded this planet You are a

gardener we will explain it in this way as you know in your planting you plant each seed with equal love

with equal nurture with all that is necessary for it to grow strong and straight in a manner of purity there

are some that are weak and some that are strong There are those that you plant that become stronger to the

point that they then may strangle others is this not so

Then you must remove weed transplant But the Creator does not weed does not interfere in free will as

you do with your plants Then those who attempt to strangle and to take over others are fed by the energies

of what you call negative as we are fed by love and they then begin to strangle all They go in competition

with that that planted them that that created them

Is this some clarity for you

MIKI Yes So originally what is now the negative once came from the Creator -but did God leave them

Tom When you say Did God leave them we understand not Do you mean did he forsake them Do you

mean he threw them out

MIKI Yes

Tom No one can compete with God for they have not truth within for God is a collection of purity which

means only goodness for all the Universe

They threw themselves out by going in competition and having the desire to become all that is That is not

possible for in order to that you must return to God That is the sadness they had not patience for

understanding They are attempting to disrupt the work of the Universe

If you have one that you have loved nurtured fed and have transferred great love to and all you wished

from it was for it to grow in beauty straightness flexibility and love giving as it has been given to but it

chooses not to do that then there comes a time when you come to a realisation that it must find for itself

that it may not destroy others - and so in the Universe it is not discarded but it is also not fed and

supported for that which loves it it attempts to destroy

What we are attempting to say is that God did not discard but he does not help for the negative refuses

help Is that clear

JOHN Id like to ask now about a biblical statement in the beginning there was the Word Can you

explain this in a way that we can begin to really understand what that means

Tom In the beginning there was the Word - that is a translation error But if you take it to mean that the

Creator came forth and said That that is that that I am will be

First before the manifestation of any method or any creation there was the communication of Being

JOHN Yes I think I understand what we would call the intentionality is explicit and thought precedes

action

Tom That is exactness yes By adding communication it is strengthened

MIKI I was thinking of the statement God created man in his own image Can you comment on that

Tom That is correct Which means that all that He is you are all that He knows you know all that is good

is contained within you all that is pure is contained within you And know this that God knows that in

order to manifest the spirit of God and soul within you it is necessary to be in a physical form for that soul

to function upon a physical vehicle [a Planet] A physical form that has evolved to the stage of having two

arms and two legs and the senses to see or feel or touch or hear And you also have the sense of

knowing

MIKI Thank you Can you comment on the importance of consciousness


Tom Consciousness is that elevation of humankind into a sphere of connection with that that they created

You know that you created God and that God created you Do you know that

MIKI No

Tom Do you know that God could not exist without your creation and that you could not exist without

His creation of you

MIKI Yes I get it now

Tom Yes That is the importance of consciousness

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The following exchange introduces the Civilisations which will be examined in greater detail in the next

chapter

Tom We understand the Earth plane its entrapment its density and its illusionary factor yes

IRENE Itd be fun to have you here

Tom The time will come when all of us will be in togetherness at the time of the elevation and

transformational density of Planet Earth in its rightful place of existence as the paradise of glory yes

JOHN Where is that going to be

Tom Upon Planet Earth

IRENE Great Were ready Now specifically I would like to go back to the creation and the Twenty-Four

civilisations Who created the Twenty-Four

Or were they in fact a creation Or were they in fact elements and particles that were brought together by

you but in fact they already had existence and you gave them order

Tom That is a large question It was in this nature there was one Creator one energy one pure light one

pure-being Self that contained all components of all that is

It is extremely complicated but in simplification it came into that Being the knowledge and wisdom to

begin to divide the components of which it consisted not to remove them but to build a structure For in its

aloneness it had only self for companion

That was not wrong but it was more valuable to create a situation whereby there was a separate element -

to create a situation that would then have the structure to give the cells that would be populating different

environmental existences those portions necessary for its attainment of its choosing

For it was found in the creating by that that was created out of nothing that there would be the necessity

to expand this creating Now what would be the purpose of creating nothing out of nothing It was

important to have created something

So the Twenty-Four universal civilisations were created as guides elements of direction elements of

purpose and also to know that there would be some areas of civilisation (such as that of Altea) which

would govern and rule that element of their existence all over the Universe as Ashan does with colour

sound and arts

It was a way for the Creator to expand and provide and begin those elements necessary for expansion

because once that was created then the expansion would continue and it would go on and on Therefore it

needed the different elements that would make expansion purposeful If the expansion continued with only

the creating of Universes with no purpose then it would have served no purpose Now have we confused

you completely

IRENE No not only does it not confuse this is the most brilliant thing Ive ever heard

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


This was a communication made in 1975 to a group of three people

Tom It is important now for us to pray together because it is the beginning now of a sequence in which

if everything goes right the result will be the saving of the planet Earth and the understanding and

awakening of the souls of Planet Earth

As the twelve of us are together - remember that many times we have spoken to you and explained that

with twelve and today it is Nine of us and the three of you all things are possible

If the planet can be saved and will be saved the entire Universe will be raised to a level that all souls will

have gained the nature of what they have searched for from the beginning of time

And remember that when the souls of the Universe have calmness and joy and peace within their hearts

and generate this love it overtakes even those souls that are negative and dark and brings life and love to

them And can you imagine that what you have come to this planet to do when you accomplish it the

entire Universe will be glowing with a light that will be blinding because it will be a light of pure love

And all will become one and that is what all have striven for

ANDREW I was trying to define your existence and then our existence and then the relationship between

the two And I might just prompt you with a question for example

are the Nine considered the ultimate source of knowledge wisdom and power and so on in the Universe

Tom You are asking your relationship to us is this not so It is what you would call infinite intelligence

It is not of twenty-four It is of twelve (Nine of us and three humans in a triangle)

ANDREW All right And if this is the fountainhead or the unmoved mover if that be a correct

definition then all your thoughts and actions somehow must be put into effect through other peoples or

groups of beings

Tom Universal Civilisations

ANDREW Ah right Do you yourself initiate the intelligence the thought but the action is always carried

out by others

Tom By the civilisations

ANDREW And then at one time you hinted there were twenty-four major civilisations through which you

acted

Tom When you say major there are many But there are twenty-four heads of civilisations

ANDREW I see They themselves are part of those many civilisations or just heads of large groups of

civilisations

Tom They are heads of civilisations

ANDREW And these are what the Bible calls a Council of the Twenty-Four and The Elders and so on

Tom It would be the Congress

JOHN One question about that these are all working on the same side the positive side or as the twenty-

four

Tom The positive and the negative must be blended to make it whole It is as we have explained to you to

be positive with no sense is not as good

They are balanced civilisations Do you have that in clearness

ANDREW I think we do now

Tom When you speak of positive remember refer to it as a balanced-positive

ANDREW Now under those Twenty-Four could you give us an example of one civilisation Let us say -

Hoova Where does it fit in under the Twenty-Four


Tom When you speak of the Twenty-Four you speak of the heads of the civilisations There is one you

know of as Jehovah

ANDREW Jehovah And then under him is his civilisation So the Jehovah is one of the Twenty-Four

Tom Yes It is known as Hoova But he would have as a pyramid many under that

ANDREW I see there would be many civilisations right Okay now that clarifies that part Now take our

existence as ordinary human beings Where do ordinary people come from and why do they come here

and where do they go This is one of the great mysteries to us

Tom All beings all species come from us There is a question that is asked by all beings and all species

and it is what you have asked Who am I where did I come from and Where am I going Is that not so

ANDREW That is the question yes

Tom All species and all beings are particles of us There is not a way for you to have this understanding

How may we explain

ANDREW Well I have the understanding that they are part of you but they go through many cycles of

existence before they reach Earth is that not so

Tom Remember that the planet Earth is not that evolved We are looking for an analogy to give you

ANDREW Well could you say for example that those who come to Earth all come from another given

civilisation or planet or something like that

Or state of existence That is is there a regular sequence or place through which they go before they come

to the planet Earth

Tom Not in a particular planet Depending on the needs of that soul Some souls need more than some

other souls There are levels of intelligence there are levels of consciousness Not all are equal

Remember this it is not true that all are equal There is a soul The soul is a particle of us If you have a

giant electric spark and you put two together that would cause a giant electric spot there would be sparks

that would come off it

Those sparks would be part of us - but each of those sparks would either die out or continue to grow Some

may create a fire and some may grow slowly but it would depend upon the ambition of the spark

ANDREW Yes Now when that spark cycles through Earth and achieves its full growth does it go

through other civilisationshelliphelliphellip

Tom It must

ANDREW lt doesnt return directly to you

Tom It will continue for millions of years But it cannot continue if it stays upon the planet Earth If you

will recall in a previous communication we had explained to you that the planet Earth is the only planet

within the Universe that has the variety of animals and plants It is the most beautiful of all planets

because of the different varieties This in a sense attracts the souls and they have desires to remain upon

it In other civilisations the souls feel and they have all the qualifications which you have but it is more

physical upon the planet Earth

JOHN There is a very large question what is the purpose of a soul In existing on all its civilisations and

so on

Tom If a soul becomes what you call perfect then it is if we could explain this to you

ANDREW What were really asking is if we had to tell a human being what the purpose of life is what is

the most succinct answer


Tom You may tell what has been told to humans many times but was not given to them in clear

understanding that the purpose of their existence and the purpose of their living is to return to whence they

came

ANDREW Yes And how can they while they are on this Earth with all its problems What is it that they

can best do in order to return to the source

Tom If they would treat all as they have desire to be treated If they would walk in dignity and permit no

one to remove their dignity and if they would have love for all their fellow humans and for all those that

touch them - for this in turn sends love to us

We ask not that they have a total understanding of us

ANDREW Yes But in essence then God feeds on this kind of nectar so to say

Tom Yes

ANDREW I think that people would love that idea

Tom We have the creation we have created this but it in truth has created us

ANDREW Now that part which let us say you feed on is it totally immaterial

that nature of love - something that has no material or physical existence

Since you are not material in any way you must feed on something immaterial

Tom It is an energy It is not something you may hold in your hand It is a spark that is a glow that

emanates and it grows and becomes a shining sun and then it returns to us

ANDREW Yes I find that very beautiful and very satisfying dont you John

JOHN Yes this is the upward spiral I imagine Then its sent out again on a higher level again is that so

Tom Yes It is integrated

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Tom The Council of Nine has asked that I the spokesman Tom explain a little to you of the structure and

relationships in the Universe

We are nine that exist independently and exist in wholeness in the Universe in a place that you could

identify as the zone of cold

We are not physical as you are physical or as Altea or Hoova are physical (and this again is not the same

manner as yours but it is also physical)

If need be we may manifest but we are pure energy

Together we oversee and I Tom relate all that we wish to convey to Planet Earth from the Council of the

Nine of which I am one

In relationship to us there are Twenty-Four physical civilisations in another dimensional realm

Each is a total collective consciousness that oversees and from these civilisations physical beings have

incarnated upon your Planet Earth and at times have intervened when necessary

These physical civilisations the Twenty-Four each in its own dimension are total and complete units of

one collective consciousness that have agreed to be in that collective consciousness They have evolved to

that form of action to oversee to pass through information of great importance and help other physical

civilisations in their evolutionary process

An example would be the civilisation of Altea as we are in another realm of existence we depend upon

Altea for communicating with you


They guard the body of our being while you are in communication with us and they provide the

technology for us to communicate Altea was also the head of what you know as the physical civilisation

that manifested upon Planet Earth as Atlantis

There are other civilisations - and there are amongst you incarnate souls from those civilisations who have

come to help Planet Earth One of these civilisations Hoova was the civilisation that originally seeded

Planet Earthas did some of the others but Hoova re-seeded Planet Earth on three occasions

Hoova is the civilisation from which the Hebrews derive hence the importance of the Hebrews Hoova is

the civilisation that brought forth the Nazarene

GENE Are there any civilisations or races within our galaxy visiting us at present

Tom Yes There are civilisations of different dimensions different intelligence different evolving that are

working with the Twenty-Four civilizations

There are those within your galaxy that are in service to those that are attempting to salvage the Planet

Earth But they are not the primaries (the Twenty-Four)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Years later the following exchange brought out another perspective on the physicality of the beings of the

Universal Civilizations

JOHN Do civilizations like Altea and others of the Twenty-Four exist on a physical planet that is in our

understanding of physical - we know they have form in their own time-space envelope but do they have a

physical planet we could locate in our time and space

Tom You mean does it have density

JOHN Does it have the same density as us

Tom You cannot have the same density as Planet Earth

Tom Not correct If a device were designed that could see to the furthermost reaches of the Universe then

you would see also different levels of densities

Within their civilisations the Twenty-Four have attained perfection unity of oneness complete obedience

to the Creator so therefore they understand their physical world and are not tricked by physicalness

You know that this place you sit upon is made of billions of trillions of molecules is that not so You do

not see that therefore you would think it doesnt exist like that yes If you were to see the civilisation

Altea you would see it is physical in movement

JOHN So it has a form but a kind of form we could not comprehend because we do not have experience

of that form in our lives

Tom It is physical It has evolved to the point where the physical and spiritual are in harmony and balance

and that is what you must achieve so you can enter with the Twenty-Four

JOHN Now when the Twenty-Four interact with our solar system I believe you said once that they may

use other physical planets as a way of stepping down towards us so there may be physical planets in our

solar system that are used by individual civilizations

Tom Not by the Twenty-Four By Sub-civilisations The Twenty-Four have no need

GENE Theres a question that I cannot avoid asking why you do not give strong and definite signs of your

existence or proximity on top of approaching humanity by indirect means such as these channellings or

other ways Obviously you have your reasons but this question does matter to me

Tom It is of great importance for you to understand that the governments of your world of Earth have

refused to believe or to convey to the people our existence


If there were an attempt by the civilizations to land upon Planet Earth in a mass situation which in truth

will come to pass in the course of time the people upon Planet Earth would panic for they have not the

understanding the knowledge that we would mean no harm to them

Remember this there are also certain civilisations not of the Twenty-Four or their helper civilisations that

have a great desire to control Earth to keep souls in bondage

And these civilisations have landed at times upon Planet Earth and have created difficulty which they

forced on Earth people

It is important that there is no panic amongst those that exist on the Planet Earth that the knowledge be

brought to them in gentleness that those of the Twenty-Four civilizations mean no harm to them This is of

great importance for if there were panic humans may then attempt to end their own life and also the lives

of their families and neighbours which would not serve any purpose

The governments of your world have refused to accept that there are others of a higher intelligence and in

truth of a more spiritual intelligence than those that exist upon the Planet Earth We need to convey to the

people that there are others that mean them no harm but have an interest in saving Planet Earth

For in truth if there are no other civilisations to help Planet Earth it will bring destruction to itself

We do not come to control we do not come to hold in bondage we will come with love and patience and

understanding but since there is the denial of our existence how can those of Planet Earth accept the fact

that the civilisations of Altea Hoova Ashan and the rest of the Twenty-Four mean well

understand how to refine the physical in relation to the spiritual Many Alteans - the greater majority - have

lived on Planet Earth

that is why they have a great wish to help Planet Earth There are the Twenty-Four civilisations that are in

direct service to us

There are in truth Twelve of two The Twenty-Four civilisations also are physical

At this present time the civilisations are working with each other to move into balance and to resolve all

residues of difficulty

Because the Twenty-Four are in a form of physicalness they also have some of the difficulties associated

with physicalness not to the extent of the Earth but nevertheless to the degree that they have If they had

reached perfection they would have merged with us

Among the Twenty-Four civilisations not all have manifested upon the physical Earth There are those

that have seeded Planet Earth but there are also those that have not - such as those that have been to Earth

but have not been involved with the work of the other civilizations

Each of those civilizations - in particular those involved with Planet Earth and those that have not been

involved with it but have sent a representative - need to be brought into balance

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This next part is taken from a conversation where some world leaders are involved with secret projects

with some ETs who do not have the betterment of humanity in their actions

John At what level in the United States is this project controlled

Tom The highest level

John So is it from the president down

Tom He is not the one who controls But a head of state was involved in the past this is an exceptional

matter (1990)

John So is it the CIA who controls the project

Tom That term is not correct it is not in a form This is the creation of an element that is above that

what is important is that you begin to understand the implications


In times past humanity did not comprehend the information we have given about the civilizations and the

council of nine

NOW IT IS IMPORTANT TO COMPREHEND and know that what was begun in times past does exist

and continues and it is time for humankind to know the importance of this information but in a time when

there can be directness without interference from governments of humankind

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Some information regarding the different civilizations and their names

Tom Altea we will say to you is eternal A Hoovid would live approximately one million of your years

The civilization of Hoova is the one that brought forth the nation of the Hebrews

They came to Planet Earth for this in the time of Sumer (whence Abraham came) and at the time when it

is said in your books about the sons of the gods merging with the daughters of the Earth and they came

one other time also As they were the one civilisation that had sustained energy and were determined to

survive they elected to play a central historical role on Planet Earth their descendants represent a

microcosm on Earth

Ashan communicates through the artistic You understand that those of Ashan are not always capable of

discipline May we just say to you that for the millions of Hoovids there are only a handful of Ashans

They come through by their own means They are of creativity - if you will look into the culture of the

Chinese you will see the effects of their influence

Ashan is the creator of music it is the creator of the beauty upon the Earth it is the civilisation that creates

muses The Scandinavians were of Ashan as were the Phoenicians

JOHN They were very artistic with glass I understand

Tom Yes They were bohemians Ashan is lithe of body and light as the wind and as the sounding of

crystal do you understand

JOHN Yes thats very graphic

Tom They are what you would call the surrealists of the Universe Involved particularly with Earth you

have Hoova Ashan and Altea

JOHN Yes Hoova works with the physical

Tom Yes

JOHN And the astral the creative the emotional is Ashan

Tom Yes And Altea works with the mental It is the blending of three primaries Altea Hoova and Ashan

which brings together the connection and the coupling of Planet Earth with the Universe

All involved with Aragon (Jose Arigo the Brazilian Healer for example) are involved in healing It is

different from Ancore Ancore works under Aragon They work in conjunction towards perfecting the

health of humankind

They work together as Spectra works for Hoova Zeneel represents a similar principle to a computer but

not just like a computer we know not how to express it Zeneel works with interplay interchange

Zeemed and Zenthorp are worker civilizations of Zeneel

They give a specialized structure of understanding and ability in the bringing forth of the energy of Zeneel

Zeneel is light and joyful and orderly When we say orderly we mean the creating of order in the color

energy Zeneel is the alchemist of the civilizations

Listen guys I could quite happily quote the whole book There is much more information than I can Share

Mu Atalantis 32000 yrs of history and before

but I hope you get what I am attempting to share here and more parts of the jigsaw puzzle have joined

together to allow you to glimpse the bigger picture of who the 24 Elders are


More info on this thread httpprojectavalonnetforum4show518post426518[COLOR=red]


Now this last section will bring forward what some scientist have brought to the table this last few years

Scientist who in some cases have managed to think outside the restriction box

Our Junk DNA is the topic Here I allow you to do your own research there are quite a few threads already

here on Avalon on this topic

httpprojectavalonnetforum4showtion-or-Alien


httpprojectavalonnetforum4show=1post270191

httpprojectavalonnetforum4show2172-Junk-DNA

what I am asking is for everyone to think and use their imagination that there may be a connection to our

12 double helix DNA system and the 24 (12+12) civilizations that seeded the 12 different tribes of

humanity Do we now have a little more knowledge of who we are and where we come from

Heading Junk DNA possible ET origin httpwwwbibliotecapleyadesnetcia_genoma03htm

Quote

Junk DNA

The big surprise to the scientists was that active genes make up only tiny fractions of the entire genome

Incredibly they only make up 3 percent of the total DNA in our chromosomes The genes are either alone

or clustered together in larger groups but in between each gene sequence there are long stretches of DNA

which do not appear to contain any type of code for anything

These stretches have now been referred to by scientists as ldquoJunk DNArdquo mainly because they have not

figured out what secret message it contains

Michael Tellinger (Slave Species of God)

Alien DNA group of researchers working at the Human Genome Project will be announcing soon that they

made an astonishing scientific discovery They believe so-called non-coding sequences (97) in human

DNA is no less than genetic code of an unknown extraterrestrial life form

End quote

Russian DNA Discoveries Explain Human Paranormal Events httprensecomgeneral62explhtm

Quote

Esoteric and spiritual teachers have known for ages that our body is programmable by language words and

thought This has now been scientifically proven and explained

The human DNA is a biological Internet and superior in many aspects to the artificial one The latest

Russian scientific research directly or indirectly explains phenomena such as clairvoyance intuition

spontaneous and remote acts of healing self-healing affirmation techniques unusual lightauras around

people (namely spiritual masters) mindacircnots influence on weather patterns and much more

The Russian researchers however convinced that nature was not dumb joined linguists and geneticists in

a venture to explore that 90 of junk DNA Their results findings and conclusions are simply

revolutionary


According to their findings our DNA is not only responsible for the construction of our body but also

serves as data storage and communication The Russian linguists found that the genetic code - especially in

the apparent useless 90 - follows the same rules as all our human languages

End Quote

Junk DNA

Over 98 percent of DNA has largely unknown function httpwwwpsrastorgjunkdnahtm

Quote

Increasing evidence is now indicating that this DNA is not junk at all Especially it has been found to

have various regulatory roles This means that this so-called non-coding DNA influences the behavior of

the genes the coding DNA in important ways

However it has been found that the sequence of the syllables is not random at all and has a striking

resemblance with the structure of human language (ref Flam F Hints of a language in junk DNA

Science 2661320 1994 see quote below) Therefore scientists now generally believe that this DNA must

contain some kind of coded information But the code and its function is yet completely unknown

End Quote

Junk DNA Was Created by Alien Programmers

httpascensionenergyprogramblogsp-by-alienhtml

Quote

This is an article that you should probably re-read several times 97 of our DNA is said to be created by

Alien programmers There are two codes at work here A master code for a Superman with a thousand year

lifespan and a flawed code for a limited slave race that just digs gold ages fast and is not all that bright

Ascension Energy- turning on the junk that will make us immortal with Unified field technologies

End quote

Scientists Prove DNA Can Be Reprogrammed by Words and Frequencies

httpwakeup-worldcom20110712ss-frequencies

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I think this takes me to the end of this thread I am going brain dead now I did have more links but I lost

20 of my research when my laptop was zapped a couple of months ago Alex Collier Bruce Lipton

Goerge Kavassilas and Pane Andov were just a few more that had input concerning the above topics If

you happen to come across more information from those guys and others please post it in here

I thank Bill Ryan for inviting me into his house to gather with fellow Avalonians to sit around a table a

discussdebate topics with respect and consideration towards others This is what the intention is with the

above information

I ask you all from now on that if you find yourselves in a position to enquire further as to who the Elders

are please use that opportunity wisely Then share it here

For example I speak to Kerry and others here who interview certain individuals If someone like John

Kettler drops in with an Elder reference please prompt him further

If he does not know then ask him to ask his contacts for more information If they do not wish to disclose

more information ask Why As the Elders wish humanity to be aware of them

Christians ask your ministers and priests who the 24 elders are If they reply ldquoI do not knowrdquo or give you

an answer that does not make sense Gently educate them

The Elderscivilizations have said that they wish humankind to have awareness of them This was in 1976

And still today I see no evidence that humanity has any awareness of them


I leave you with a few words from Tom

Tom It was your choosing You are not here by accident In your accomplishments and in that which you

will accomplish for the purification of the planet Earth if you choose to be reborn upon the planet Earth in

your next life you will then have memory

Know this each and every human is in a position of great responsibility to bring about change in

humankind and that each of you does create a difference in the lives of those that you touch even though

you may not know it

Therefore the importance of maintaining an integral self and being honest within self and with others must

be of the highest priority It is important to know that each of you has within you a crystallisation of the

spirit that removes itself from the ins and outs of your life and comes outward as a beam that touches and

inspires and brings to those in contact with you the necessary energies for changing the self within and

creating a difference in their own and others lives

It is important to bring the mind together with the spirit and the emotions to bring them into a complete

whole being It is important that each of you be a battery for that to happen for other humans also Know

this at times the battery just needs to be do you understand This lifetime is the most important that you

have ever chosen Those of the past were past experiences for preparation for this one

It is important to know that what is past is past and what is coming in the future does not make a

difference at this moment it is this moment in time which makes the difference Each moment is a new

beginning

Each moment should be experienced and touched The memories of those moments as also the memories

of past lives benefit you and it is in preparation for the future But it is when you are in this moment that

you are who you are that you are at the centre of the Universe Anticipation over the future causes anxiety

When you be with this moment the future is but the next moment

Know always you are loved and walk in the knowledge of that love and who you are Work in

cohesiveness and love with each other as we do with you

We give you love we bring to you peace We are always with you

End Quote

Billyji here again In concluding My own personal belief is that humanity has the essence of many

universal civilizations within them Those civilizations are from many levels from the highest to the

lowest Humanity has within them the Key towards universal peace This peace begins with self then

expands outwards to our neighbours and countries Then the universal peace begins because we have

brought them together within us

Peace be with you all

Billyji


I was not a Christian although later on in life in my 30s I did experience Christianity Hinduism and

Islam but I became fascinated with the book named the bible in my teens I say book because that was

what it was to me

I read it as a book beginning at page one When I get to the last chapter (revelations) I find the 24 Elders

mentioned for the first time and I ask myself

Who are these guys

I begin reading again this time taking notes This is a few years on I am serving my time as a carpenter

and take the bible to work with me reading at break times You can imagine the stick I received when all

the builders are reading their Sun or Star newspapers comparing page three pinups I take no notice but my

boss notices me and he is a Mason and he asked me for the first time to come to the lodge with him This

is an official invite which I replied thanks but no thanks All his business contracts were connected to

masonic connections For example The church of Scotland lawyers judges etc

Because of my connections I met several Church of Scotland ministers Some were very approachable and

we would chat I would always take the opportunity to drop in the question Who are the 24 Elders

mentioned in Revelation Their answer was ldquoI do not knowrdquo Later in life I met Catholic priests and

would ask them also Same answer

One said We are not taught about them at the seminaries Now and then one would try and answer with

total nonsense

For example ldquoOh they are some of the people that Jesus freed from hades during the three days before the

resurrectionrdquo Or another answer would be ldquoThey are the twelve disciples and the twelve patriarchsrdquo

But the Elders are the ancient ones They are much older And the only way the 24 Elders could be the

Disciples and the Patriarchs was if the Elders had incarnated here on earth as those humans Which is

possible

Twelve plus twelve is getting close to the answer as I will explain later For now I would like for you to

think DNA strand

Here I quote what John said in the Bible concerning the 24 Elders

The Throne in Heaven Rev 4

After this I looked and there before me was a door standing open in heaven And the voice I had

first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said ldquoCome up here and I will show you what must take

place after thisrdquo

2 At once I was in the Spirit and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it

3 And the one who sat there had the appearance of jasper and ruby A rainbow that shone like an

emerald encircled the throne

4 Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones and seated on them were twenty-four

elders They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads

5 From the throne came flashes of lightning rumblings and peals of thunder In front of the throne

seven lamps were blazing These are the seven spirits[a] of God

6 Also in front of the throne there was what looked like a sea of glass clear as crystal

In the center around the throne were four living creatures and they were covered with eyes in

front and in back

7 The first living creature was like a lion the second was like an ox the third had a face like a man

the fourth was like a flying eagle

8 Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around even under

its wings


End Quote


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in town




Tom That is correct








MIKI Yes





























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His creation of you



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matter (1990)






council of nine




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microcosm on Earth














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health of humankind


























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revolutionary





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Quote








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Quote





End quote



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above information


















you may not know it












beginning








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Billyji


End Quote


thread is here








with the Elders






























~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~







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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

























god give u eg
















And here Quote



eye ask now

where is this gold




why u not know this

u not wory gold































adapted






such a hierarchy



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~











Quote






















































microcosmic level











we so chose













End Quote






















Quote



















in town




Tom That is correct








MIKI Yes





























MIKI Yes












help Is that clear







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knowing





MIKI No


His creation of you



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


chapter

























sound and arts





you completely


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~






















groups of beings



out by others



acted



civilisations





four










know of as Jehovah










How may we explain







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Tom It must









so on







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matter (1990)






council of nine




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End quote



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you may not know it












beginning








End Quote







Billyji







~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


John here in Avalon





~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

























god give u eg
















And here Quote



eye ask now

where is this gold




why u not know this

u not wory gold































adapted






such a hierarchy



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~











Quote






















































microcosmic level











we so chose













End Quote






















Quote



















in town




Tom That is correct








MIKI Yes





























MIKI Yes












help Is that clear







action








knowing





MIKI No


His creation of you



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


chapter

























sound and arts





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