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NOSAC Committee MeetingSep 30, 2020 . 8:16 AM . ID: 476528469

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00:00 - 00:02[speaker unknown]This conference will now be recorded.

00:03 - 00:04[speaker unknown]Hello.

00:05 - 00:06Marshall PerezYeah, this is generally.

00:07 - 00:08Terry BonnoI'm on the phone.

00:11 - 00:11[speaker unknown]Hello.

00:12 - 00:13Marshall PerezGo ahead.

00:15 - 00:20[speaker unknown]Warren Weaver Weaver consult.

00:24 - 00:25Marshall Perez

Ok.

00:27 - 00:27Marshall PerezMister Kersten.

00:29 - 00:34Buddy CustardCombining all this buddy custard from the Alaska Maritime Response Network.

00:34 - 00:37Buddy CustardI represent the Alaska Outer Continental Shelf.

00:37 - 00:38Buddy CustardOh, thank you.

00:39 - 00:40Marshall PerezMs. Bono.

00:49 - 00:50Marshall PerezVery good.

00:50 - 00:51Terry BonnoMorning, everyone.

00:53 - 01:02Terry BonnoI work for Terry Bono work for as an advisor for E E E and I represent.

01:06 - 01:06[speaker unknown]

Phone.

01:10 - 01:17Marshall PerezOk, if you're being called upon the phone so we can conduct a meeting.

01:17 - 01:17Marshall PerezThank you.

01:19 - 01:23Marshall PerezThe next first, you know the best representative, mister Fishing.

01:25 - 01:29John CushingGood morning everyone, this is John because he did represent Bureau of Safety and Environmental.

01:33 - 01:36Marshall PerezJohn Barrett, mister Jim Murphy.

01:37 - 01:40Marshall PerezJim Murphy with the Maritime Administration.

01:40 - 01:40Marshall PerezThank you.

01:41 - 01:42Marshall PerezThey do.


Thank you very much.

01:46 - 01:47Marshall PerezWe have a quorum.

01:51 - 02:01Marshall PerezWe normally would go around the room and ask to restate this again would normally go around the room and everyone to introduce themselves but we're not going to do it as it's a teleconference in interest of time.

02:03 - 02:09Marshall PerezRecord from the medium, how many people, and if people are going through web conference, we have your name post.

02:09 - 02:14Marshall PerezThere was a list ahead of time, people wishing to pretend it was provided with the link.

02:16 - 02:22Marshall PerezHowever, I do request that when someone speaks, they first has to be recognized by the chair.

02:22 - 02:25Marshall PerezThen, let's recognize, introduce yourself.

02:27 - 02:30Marshall PerezWho you are representing prior to making your statement.


We also ask that everyone be respectful of everyone else and keep it.

02:36 - 02:37Marshall PerezWe're not speaking.

02:38 - 02:42Marshall PerezThank you all once again for calling into this meeting.

02:43 - 02:52Marshall PerezI would like I'd like to introduce Committed Stephen West, who has placed commander Myles Greenway as a federal office nosek.

03:02 - 03:03Marshall PerezApologies folks.

03:03 - 03:04Marshall PerezBut I have misplaced this list.

03:09 - 03:10Marshall PerezBring it up real quick.

03:11 - 03:14Marshall PerezNo, no worries that that's not super important.

03:14 - 03:15Marshall PerezI can free flowing here.


So thanks everyone for for joining us today, Steven West.

03:20 - 03:25Marshall PerezI just immediately came here from District 14: Hawaii.

03:25 - 03:28Marshall PerezI was out there for three years.

03:28 - 03:30Marshall PerezThat was arduous duty, very difficult.

03:30 - 03:34Marshall PerezBut I was able to get through it before that.

03:34 - 03:41Marshall PerezI was in Florida, as emergency management supervisor for Cape Canaveral, second largest port in the world.

03:42 - 03:49Marshall PerezAnd prior assignments to that I did Congressional Affairs Sector Boston Los Angeles, Long Beach.

03:52 - 04:02[speaker unknown]I've had some some good experience, but I'm excited to be here in headquarters, taking on the new role, And so, thank you, mister Chairman.

04:03 - 04:10[speaker unknown]Good morning, everyone, and welcome to this teleconference of the United States Coast Guard National Offshore Safety Advisory Committee.

04:10 - 04:13[speaker unknown]I'd like to thank you all for joining us today.

04:13 - 04:23[speaker unknown]Normally, we'd be meeting in person, but given the coronavirus challenges, where we're going to try this virtual thing, and hopefully, it works out for us.

04:24 - 04:26[speaker unknown]I'm looking forward to today.

04:27 - 04:33[speaker unknown]And the day we can, we can resume in person meetings, and I can meet each of you face-to-face.

04:35 - 04:46[speaker unknown]As the chairman stated, replacing greenway, I'm the chief of Vessel and Facility Operations, Standard deviations, and Coast Guard headquarters as the DFO.

04:49 - 04:50[speaker unknown]Oh, I'm sorry, what was that?

04:52 - 04:54[speaker unknown]In some feedback here apologize.

04:55 - 05:02[speaker unknown]As the DFO for Nosek, liaison committee, are you guys hearing feedback on your end?

05:05 - 05:06

Pat ClarkYes, sir.

05:06 - 05:07Pat ClarkSomebody needs to mute their phone.

05:13 - 05:13[speaker unknown]All right.

05:15 - 05:23[speaker unknown]Yeah, I'm going to speak or maybe that gets a little bit better as a CFO for knows that.

05:23 - 05:34[speaker unknown]I serve as the liaison between the Committee and the Coast Guard, responsible for ensuring that all the Federal Advisory Committee Act are met with, respect to operations, to the committee.

05:34 - 05:46[speaker unknown]Our agenda today includes the Committee reviewing the final report from the Subcommittee Addressing Task Management on the lifeboats and Rescue Crash Safety on the OCS after the presentation.

05:46 - 05:51[speaker unknown]The Committee will be discussing the report, and then voting on the report.

05:51 - 06:00[speaker unknown]And I'm looking forward to the subcommittee's presentation and what they're recommending to the committee, listening to committees, discussion, and deliberation.

06:00 - 06:06

[speaker unknown]And observing the Committee at work, as this is going to be the first time, I've had the opportunity to work in this setting.

06:07 - 06:17[speaker unknown]I'm looking forward to seeing the committee members presentation and the presentation on the shell on the shell accident investigation.

06:18 - 06:27[speaker unknown]I'll be presenting updates on current administrative issues relating to noshaq, including the transition in the committee from the discretionary to statutory committee.

06:28 - 06:36[speaker unknown]Please understand the timings of this agenda are approximate, and we may or may not be able to keep to exact times as noted.

06:37 - 06:42[speaker unknown]But we will be progressing in the sequential order as they are delineated on the agenda.

06:43 - 06:48[speaker unknown]A special note for all speakers, committee members, and the public.

06:48 - 06:55[speaker unknown]It's important that each person speak clearly, as your core comments are going to be recorded, in minutes.

06:56 - 07:05[speaker unknown]Please, as the Chairman requested, first, asked to be recognized, and then once recognized, State your name, and when you start speaking.

07:05 - 07:09[speaker unknown]So, we're able to record who it is that made those comments.

07:10 - 07:16[speaker unknown]At the end of the video conference, members of the public will have the opportunity to provide general comments before the Committee.

07:16 - 07:30[speaker unknown]Please note, in addition to public comment period at the end of today's schedule, we will have allotted time following each agenda section for the public to comment or ask questions with respect to the topics that are being discussed.

07:31 - 07:39[speaker unknown]Once any questions or comments from the Committee have been addressed, we will ask the public comments or ask the public for comment and question.

07:40 - 07:49[speaker unknown]We do request that you limit your questions and comments to two minutes, so that we can afford everyone the opportunity to speak.

07:49 - 07:57[speaker unknown]As mentioned, in previous versions of video conference, is being recorded, diminished will be included.

07:58 - 08:07[speaker unknown]And the description of each matter, and their conclusion, will, will be online within 90 days of this meeting.


You'll be able to identify or be able to get to that on the home port website.

08:12 - 08:20[speaker unknown]Again, thanks to the committee for this opportunity, and I look forward to the discussion today.

08:20 - 08:29[speaker unknown]Mister Chairman, the National Offshore Advisory Committee, August 2026 public video teleconference: is hereby convened.

08:29 - 08:29[speaker unknown]Thank you.

08:45 - 08:46Pat ClarkMarshall, are you muted still.

08:50 - 08:51Marshall PerezYes, I was.

08:54 - 08:55Marshall PerezThank you, commanded us.

08:55 - 08:56Marshall PerezWelcome aboard.

08:57 - 08:59Marshall PerezGlad to have you in working with you.

09:00 - 09:06

Marshall PerezNow, move ahead with the adoption of today's agenda, all committee members were provided with a read ahead copy agenda.

09:08 - 09:11Marshall PerezAre there any questions or comments with respect to today's agenda?

09:13 - 09:14Marshall PerezCommittee members?

09:23 - 09:29Marshall PerezOk, hearing none at this time, I will entertain a motion to accept today's meeting agenda.

09:30 - 09:32Marshall PerezHave a motion from the Committee members.

09:34 - 09:37Buddy CustardR, So this is very, I recommend, we approve the meeting agenda.

09:39 - 09:40Marshall PerezMotion, do I have a second?

09:42 - 09:43Terry BonnoNo, I second.

09:44 - 09:46Marshall PerezTerry, that's your thank you.

09:49 - 09:57Marshall PerezAll right, no vote, to accept the agenda, review of the vote, I'll do, like we did previously.

09:59 - 10:05Marshall PerezWill go 1 by 1 to the rivers, actually, nevermind.

10:08 - 10:11Marshall PerezLike all community members to go ahead and unmute their phones.

10:12 - 10:12Marshall PerezIndeed.

10:13 - 10:16Marshall PerezIf you approve the agenda.

10:17 - 10:18Marshall PerezPlease say aye.

10:18 - 10:18Marshall PerezAye.

10:18 - 10:18Marshall PerezAye.

10:27 - 10:28Marshall PerezYou're sitting there.

10:31 - 10:33[speaker unknown]You just got my eye on just now.

10:36 - 10:37Marshall PerezOk.

10:40 - 10:41Marshall PerezMotion carries.

10:41 - 10:43Marshall PerezThe media agenda is approved.

10:44 - 10:52Marshall PerezApproval of April 2820 teleconference meeting minutes prior to this meeting, committee members will provide a minute or less meeting.

10:53 - 10:56Marshall PerezAre there any questions, comments, or changes to the minutes?

10:59 - 11:01Marshall PerezAny comments from community members on the minute?

11:05 - 11:12Marshall PerezOk, so hearing no at this time, I'll entertain a motion to approve the minutes and accept them into the record.

11:13 - 11:17Fallon Dominique

Mister Chairman, This is found a nominee and motion takes that the minute.

11:18 - 11:18Marshall PerezYou do.

11:19 - 11:19Marshall PerezWe have a second.

11:25 - 11:25Terry BonnoTerry?

11:28 - 11:28Marshall PerezThank you, Terry.

11:32 - 11:35Marshall PerezSecond, and now we'll have a vote to approve the minutes.

11:37 - 11:40Marshall PerezCommittee members if you approve the minutes, please say aye.

11:41 - 11:41Buddy CustardHi.

11:44 - 11:44[speaker unknown]Aye.


Aye.

11:46 - 11:47Marshall PerezThink I got everybody.

11:47 - 11:49Marshall PerezUh, any NACE.

11:54 - 11:55Marshall PerezNetherlands.

11:58 - 12:03Marshall PerezMotion is carried in the meeting minutes 28, 2020 meeting or approved.

12:04 - 12:09Marshall PerezNote that these minutes are available on the nose at home, or website for public viewing.

12:09 - 12:16Marshall PerezNow, turn the floor over with the introduction of our welcoming remarks.

12:17 - 12:18Marshall PerezThank you, mister Chairman.

12:18 - 12:25Marshall PerezAt this time, I'd like to let everyone know that Kevin Brady is is on the line, is going to join me in the next part of this agenda.

12:26 - 12:31

Marshall PerezAs you all know, this is the final meeting of the discretionary version of ....

12:31 - 12:42Marshall PerezAnd it's appropriate that we recognize, the tremendous were members of the Committee had done, in all in honor of all that excellent work that nosek as provided.

12:42 - 12:48Marshall PerezIn the past decades, it's my pleasure to present those members are no shock with a certificate of merit.

12:49 - 12:52Marshall PerezAll this certificate of merit is going to the current members.

12:53 - 12:59Marshall PerezIt represented many, many of the contributions of the current and past members of nosek to the Coast Guard as well.

13:00 - 13:09Marshall PerezIn pandemic times, you know, prior to pandemics times, it's customary to have award recipients, stand, and be recognized.

13:09 - 13:17Marshall PerezSpecifically, when we recognize Coast Guard members, we have those members stand at attention at all handles.

13:18 - 13:31Marshall PerezSo, with that said, I'd like all members of the committee who are calling in from their living rooms and kitchens, or in some cases, hiding in the basement, because their children a bow guarding the kitchen table for online learning.

13:31 - 13:41Marshall PerezPlease stand at attention as I present you with a Certificate of Merit, certificate of Merit National Offshore Safety Advisory Committee.

13:41 - 13:54Marshall PerezCommonness, in the United States, Coast Guard takes great pleasure in presenting the Coast Guard Certificate of Merit to the National Offshore Advisory Committee, are Exemplary commitment to public service in support of the US.

13:54 - 14:02Marshall PerezCoast Guard, Marine Safety, Security, and Stewardship Mission, in September 2017, to December 2020.

14:03 - 14:15Marshall PerezDuring this time, the committee's tireless work as an advisor to the Coast Guard served a vital role towards identify identification of growing threats from potential cyber attacks.

14:15 - 14:30Marshall PerezThe prevention of redundant safety management system, and the removal of burdensome and administrative procedures impacting 2200 vessels supporting the exploration of offshore mineral and energy resources across the US.

14:30 - 14:30Marshall PerezOuter.

14:31 - 14:38Marshall PerezContinental shelf, employing remarkable foresight to address the compounding dangers of working offshore.

14:39 - 14:51Marshall PerezThe committee's consultation provided except except essential to the Coast Guard during institution of inspection and certification programs on the OCS.

14:52 - 15:01Marshall PerezThese programs and hand safety awareness, increased management and responsiveness and improve the safety of the personal serving on OCS facilities.

15:02 - 15:04Marshall PerezThe National Offshore as Safety Advisory Committees.

15:04 - 15:20Marshall PerezActions are most Hartley commanded are in keeping with the highest traditions of the service, shine this 30 day of September 2020, by Captain Sean ..., Chief of Office of Operation, Operating and Environmental Standards.

15:21 - 15:23Marshall PerezSo, I want to, I want to thank each and every one of you.

15:24 - 15:34Marshall PerezI've heard, and I've read the tremendous work that you guys have done, very, very, very much appreciated here at the Coast Guard and show, thank you very much.

15:34 - 15:37Marshall PerezI'm excited as we transition into this new role.

15:39 - 15:45Marshall PerezStarting next year, it's gonna be, it's gonna be great, and hopefully we'll be able to do it face to face.

15:46 - 15:59Marshall PerezWith that said, I'm going to introduced Commander Denning is the new Ace Coast Guard District Officer in charge of marine inspections.

16:00 - 16:02Marshall PerezCommander Downing, the floor is yours.

16:05 - 16:06[speaker unknown]Good morning, everybody.

16:12 - 16:12[speaker unknown]Yes.

16:15 - 16:15[speaker unknown]Great, great.

16:22 - 16:23[speaker unknown]Position near term out.

16:26 - 16:28[speaker unknown]Those of you who don't know me.

16:32 - 16:33[speaker unknown]My third floor.

16:36 - 16:37[speaker unknown]Of my 21 year.

16:41 - 16:46[speaker unknown]You've got an opportunity to get to know over the past few years.

16:46 - 16:50[speaker unknown]He recently retired from the center of offshore.

16:52 - 16:58[speaker unknown]So I look forward to doing the work that started during his tenure.

17:03 - 17:04[speaker unknown]Numeral.

17:11 - 17:17[speaker unknown]Many members of those that already have not yet.

17:18 - 17:19[speaker unknown]Talk with.

17:22 - 17:26[speaker unknown]You more, and I appreciate all the great work that you've done, thus far.

17:27 - 17:28[speaker unknown]Discretionary committee.

17:30 - 17:31[speaker unknown]In your role.

17:33 - 17:34[speaker unknown]In an ideal.

17:41 - 17:42[speaker unknown]World.

17:44 - 17:45[speaker unknown]So, we're making the best of it.

17:49 - 17:52[speaker unknown]Yet, because we haven't had an opportunity to meet in person.

17:52 - 18:06[speaker unknown]I just encourage anyone, any members of the committee, to reach out of time, with each of you to talk, perhaps one-on-one, not able to do that virtually sidebar conversation, that, you.

18:08 - 18:10[speaker unknown]Know, meeting the meeting in person.

18:10 - 18:13[speaker unknown]And a lot of, a lot of the great conversations that take place.

18:13 - 18:17[speaker unknown]No sidebar conversations around race or religion or my career.


So.

18:22 - 18:28[speaker unknown]Hard to get to know everyone better, and thank you for, for your work as an official.

18:31 - 18:35[speaker unknown]Safety initiative That I look forward to working with all of you on.

18:37 - 18:38[speaker unknown]Board here.

18:39 - 18:40[speaker unknown]And so that's another point.

18:40 - 18:43[speaker unknown]I'd like to mention a lot of the path.

18:46 - 18:58[speaker unknown]For two years, because only transfer an early or retire, pretty good chance you're going to have made for four years, which I think is a positive thing.

18:58 - 19:00[speaker unknown]I look forward to that, personally.

19:01 - 19:04[speaker unknown]I came to the job manner.


I've recently been selected for our cat, and I'll put that on.

19:11 - 19:12[speaker unknown]The.

19:14 - 19:15[speaker unknown]Senate confirmed that list.

19:15 - 19:16[speaker unknown]But what that does.

19:20 - 19:24[speaker unknown]Are the entire four years so far to work and went off.

19:27 - 19:31[speaker unknown]Shore operators Committee and others to really just carry forward.

19:31 - 19:34[speaker unknown]Some of the initiatives that were started by patent homes and a team.

19:34 - 19:36[speaker unknown]And his predecessors as well.

19:36 - 19:43[speaker unknown]A lot of interesting things in the right now, like, one, of course, is very, very.


Busy hurricanes, As everyone knows that.

19:50 - 19:53[speaker unknown]I appreciate your.

19:53 - 19:55[speaker unknown]You're on the line.

19:55 - 19:56[speaker unknown]Work.

19:56 - 19:56[speaker unknown]Very.

19:58 - 19:59[speaker unknown]Closely on.

20:04 - 20:04[speaker unknown]Come in.

20:14 - 20:15[speaker unknown]On on, hurricane.

20:18 - 20:24[speaker unknown]One of the big thing that I wanted to accomplish here is really on the courses.


There are thousands of members.

20:45 - 20:46[speaker unknown]Are able to provide us.

20:52 - 20:53[speaker unknown]On that note, I know.

20:55 - 20:56[speaker unknown]Recommendations.

20:58 - 20:58[speaker unknown]As.

21:00 - 21:03[speaker unknown]The center of headquarters on.

21:07 - 21:08[speaker unknown]In the future.

21:10 - 21:17[speaker unknown]On that, I'll be remiss if I didn't mention cyber biggest challenges.

21:17 - 21:21[speaker unknown]I think the world at this particular point.


Where the more abilities are.

21:30 - 21:31[speaker unknown]You've got an.

21:33 - 21:34[speaker unknown]App security committee.

21:35 - 21:52[speaker unknown]So, coming up with that group members neuron, but notice that at all definitely a lot of opportunities to address their e-commerce moving.

22:04 - 22:05[speaker unknown]Wow.

22:05 - 22:06[speaker unknown]Thank you.

22:09 - 22:14[speaker unknown]All here today and the opportunity to make some welcoming remarks.

22:14 - 22:15[speaker unknown]Any questions?

22:22 - 22:24[speaker unknown]I appreciate that.


I just wanted to quickly, also remind everyone.

22:29 - 22:30[speaker unknown]Absolutely.

22:30 - 22:32[speaker unknown]Make sure you are on mute.

22:32 - 22:39[speaker unknown]And I know we have some discussion on the side here that some are showing that they're not muted, but go ahead and make sure you're on mute.

22:39 - 22:44[speaker unknown]And then, for those who are speaking, I think it probably is best.

22:44 - 22:54[speaker unknown]If we speak directly on the head, so rather than being on speaker phone, I think that will will help with eliminating some of the feedback.

22:54 - 22:57[speaker unknown]Alright, mister Chairman, I hand it back to you.

23:01 - 23:01[speaker unknown]Yeah.

23:03 - 23:06Marshall PerezThank you, Gregory West, getting.

23:07 - 23:11

Marshall PerezI'll have to drag up, because I'm a speaker.

23:12 - 23:17Marshall PerezSo bear with me to answer your headset.

23:18 - 23:21Marshall PerezDo best, I can speak slowly and clearly.

23:24 - 23:28Marshall PerezWe will continue with our schedule of events today.

23:28 - 23:28Marshall PerezThere.

23:31 - 23:36Marshall PerezIs a discussion on our committee administration in the ongoing administrative items.

23:39 - 23:41Marshall PerezWould you please come to the Administrative items?

23:44 - 23:45Marshall PerezAre the members of both?

23:47 - 23:48[speaker unknown]Sure, Thank you.


Thank you very much.

23:50 - 23:53[speaker unknown]I have several updates for you today.

23:54 - 23:57[speaker unknown]The creation of a version of ...

23:57 - 24:00[speaker unknown]Demanded by the 2018 other.

24:02 - 24:04Pat ClarkCommand Commander, can you wait just a minute, please, sir.

24:08 - 24:13Pat ClarkI really need everybody who's not speaking to please mute your mics.

24:13 - 24:25Pat ClarkIf you're online to the web meeting, please ensure that you're not also calling and we're getting a lot of echo because somebody has, to Mike's point.

24:25 - 24:28Pat ClarkAnd it's picking up the background noises.

24:29 - 24:30Pat ClarkFloor is Yours Commander.


Hey, thank you very much.

24:35 - 24:38[speaker unknown]Yeah, I think this is all to be expected.

24:38 - 24:47[speaker unknown]Some of these, you know, as we work out this virtual setting, hopefully, we'll have to do it for long, but if we do, we will eventually get it down.

24:48 - 24:48[speaker unknown]Pat?

24:50 - 24:50[speaker unknown]You down.

24:51 - 24:51[speaker unknown]Down.

24:52 - 24:53[speaker unknown]More easily.

24:53 - 25:02[speaker unknown]Alright, so, as mentioned in previous meetings with the signing in 20 18 off, the discretionary Advisory of no will cease.

25:04 - 25:15[speaker unknown]Saturate showed up in accordance with mandate from Congress, currently the new Charter Membership Balanced Plan and bylaws.

25:17 - 25:20[speaker unknown]Event files, not part of the process is complete.

25:20 - 25:36[speaker unknown]We will also published in the Federal Register that representatives of this new committee, the application, or she opposed membership slate to DHS for vetting.

25:37 - 25:46[speaker unknown]Meeting of this committee will be held one DHS, and the White House, as vetted, the membership site, is completed, a new members are appointed.

25:48 - 25:54[speaker unknown]I also wanted to point out, I don't think I made it very clear in my, a previous time speaking.

25:57 - 26:06[speaker unknown]I read for all the current members, the Certificate of Merit, each of you will be receiving that award in the mail.

26:06 - 26:11[speaker unknown]I have them here, physically, and you will receive.

26:12 - 26:12[speaker unknown]All right.

26:12 - 26:13[speaker unknown]I will.

26:13 - 26:16

[speaker unknown]I'll hand it back to the Chairman one more time.

26:16 - 26:18[speaker unknown]I am getting substantial feedback.

26:18 - 26:22[speaker unknown]It sounds like someone might be in the kitchen doing some some dishes.

26:22 - 26:25[speaker unknown]So please make sure your mic is muted.

26:26 - 26:27[speaker unknown]Chairman, I yield back.

26:29 - 26:30Marshall PerezThank you Commander.

26:31 - 26:35Marshall PerezCould you verify, just put it on a headset with the mike?

26:35 - 26:37Marshall PerezCan everybody hear me fine or the echo gone?

26:40 - 26:41Pat ClarkThat's excellent, no, thank you.


Thank you.

26:43 - 26:50Marshall PerezI also noticed that we were getting feedback from her one of the color, so so I was able to mute them for now.

26:50 - 26:59Marshall PerezSo periodically, I'll unmute or hopefully I can send a message somehow because it was walking over you.

27:01 - 27:02Marshall PerezOk.

27:05 - 27:06Marshall PerezThank you Commander West.

27:07 - 27:13Marshall PerezAre there any questions from the committee members related to Commander was his remarks.

27:22 - 27:24Marshall PerezHearing none from the public.

27:24 - 27:29Marshall PerezAre there any questions from the public saying Commander West's remarks?

27:44 - 27:58Marshall PerezOk, the hearing none, the next item on our agenda is a presentation of the final report from the subcommittee Working on Lifeboat and Rescue Craft, Safety on the

Outer Continental Shelf.

27:58 - 28:08Marshall PerezAt this time, I will turn the microphone over to mister Warren Weaver and mister Chris Woodall, one of the subcommittee chairs.

28:09 - 28:13Marshall PerezUh, mister Weaver, did you want to do the intro before we move to mister Wardle?

28:14 - 28:15Marshall PerezYes, OK.

28:15 - 28:16Marshall PerezCan you hear me OK?

28:17 - 28:19Marshall PerezLoud and clear, all right.

28:19 - 28:27Marshall PerezSo we spent a good part of better than a year working on this, and of course, it was an addendum to what we did in 20 15.

28:27 - 28:42Marshall PerezAnd between the two dates, I think, we've made a lot more progress on it, and there's a lot more going on in the world, and so on.

28:42 - 28:46Marshall PerezWe've looked at a lot of stuff, reports, quite filling.

28:47 - 28:54Marshall PerezOur PowerPoint is not that detail, because it's just getting the bullets, and everybody should have that time too.

28:56 - 28:57Marshall PerezRead the report.

28:57 - 29:16Marshall PerezIt's been out for awhile, So fill in that, we had wonderful participation from industry and associations a lot of help from everybody in the lifeboat world to say, special thanks to Chris ...

29:17 - 29:21Marshall PerezPenmanship, and error prone for red lining.

29:21 - 29:25Marshall PerezAnd those are three co-chairs including myself.

29:25 - 29:28Marshall PerezSo I'll turn it over to Chris for the presentation.

29:33 - 29:35Chris WoodleGood morning, Hopefully you can all hear me OK?

29:35 - 29:38Chris WoodleWhatever you did, Marshall seems to have made them a lot better.

29:38 - 29:40Chris Woodle

So I'm going to attempt to share my screen.

29:45 - 29:46Chris WoodleHopefully, you can see that.

29:52 - 29:53Marshall PerezI have it on my screen cris.

29:54 - 29:55Chris WoodleOk.

29:55 - 29:57Jeremiah DardarYes, Chris, it's coming through time.

29:58 - 30:00Chris WoodleAll right, I'm going to try to put it in.

30:00 - 30:01Marshall PerezPresentation mode.

30:09 - 30:10Chris WoodleHow's that?

30:13 - 30:14Marshall PerezLooks good from my end.


Uh.

30:16 - 30:17Marshall PerezUnfolds.

30:17 - 30:21Marshall PerezSo, just remember, the, we have a number of people who have called in.

30:21 - 30:22Chris WoodleYeah, so.

30:22 - 30:28Marshall PerezThey won't have the luxury of seeing your presentation, Hopefully, have a copy, if not, just may be a little more expressive.

30:28 - 30:29Marshall PerezWell.

30:30 - 30:30Chris WoodleEnough.

30:30 - 30:31Pat ClarkI.

30:31 - 30:32Chris WoodleGuess this.

30:32 - 30:33Pat Clark

Is, Pat.

30:33 - 30:39Pat ClarkThey can follow on by opening the presentation of a home, or if you'll give the slide numbers.

30:41 - 30:53Chris WoodleOk, yeah, I want to mention to you, obviously, Pat, as both the PDF PowerPoint versions of these on the import side, as well as the report on the open title slide.

30:54 - 31:05Chris WoodleAs Warren mentioned, we represent this task statement a year ago on September 11th, myself, for our co-chairs on this effort.

31:05 - 31:08Chris WoodleNow I'm going to slide number two.

31:09 - 31:16Chris WoodleSo, also call economists, or two, we had a lot of help putting this together.

31:16 - 31:23Chris WoodleObviously, the meetings we held are listed on the slide we have the task was issued September 11th, 2019.

31:24 - 31:30Chris WoodleThe teleconference kick off with 23 attendees back on October second, 2019.

31:31 - 31:38Chris WoodleOur first in person meeting was it IDC's Office in Houston, October 16th with 38

attendees.

31:40 - 31:49Chris WoodleThen we had a great meeting the December axons of Excellence, Disneyland might complex and spring.

31:51 - 31:54Chris WoodleReally, really good meeting at that particular meeting.

31:54 - 32:00Chris WoodleAll the vendors also showed up with some hook models and demonstrated all that too.

32:00 - 32:02Chris WoodleSo, it was really, really productive meeting.

32:02 - 32:20Chris WoodleUm, early, 2020, February 27th of last in person meeting was oxides, offices in the woodlands Then because of ..., our last two meetings, on May 28th and july 23rd, do via teleconference with the 28 attendees of both of those meetings So, all of them were really well attended.

32:23 - 32:23Chris WoodleNext slide.

32:26 - 32:40Chris WoodleSpecial recognitions, offshore operators to many or a lot of the members who helped with the subcommittee effort here are also seen numbers in OLC overseas with this phone call or go to meeting function.

32:41 - 32:45

Chris WoodleWant to recognize though obviously want to recognize the ADC.

32:45 - 32:48Chris WoodleExelon oxi for hosting the in person meetings.

32:49 - 32:52Chris WoodleWanted to recognize the vendors Paul Finger, Alexander ...

32:52 - 32:53Chris WoodleFatima.

32:55 - 32:59Chris WoodleNow owned by Viking, Survival Systems, SSI, serb attack.

33:00 - 33:06Chris WoodleFor their, for their demos at the second meeting and for their participation on this effort all along to provide their perspective.

33:07 - 33:11Chris WoodleUm, doesn't want to recognize virtual marine technology at saint John's Canada.

33:12 - 33:16Chris WoodleThey are the premier manufacturer developer, local simulation technology.

33:18 - 33:22Chris WoodleAnd, obviously, want to recognize, and thank also, committee members who helped with this.

33:22 - 33:29Chris WoodleWe had a lot of good discussions at the meetings, in person, on the telephone, as the report was developed.

33:32 - 33:33Chris WoodleNo good input.

33:33 - 33:42Chris WoodleSalary, people, you know, provided critical input, I think, which was all accepted, and help make the report better, know what it obviously leads to it.


33:46 - 33:51Chris WoodleSo, just This is highlighted in the report, too, and just to highlight it, again, here.

33:52 - 33:55Chris WoodleObviously, we're a couple of other related activities.

33:56 - 33:59Chris WoodleThe lifeboat issue, generally, I think, is one that's always been.

34:01 - 34:11Chris WoodleIt comes up for discussion every so often on our sock and obviously, with the fatalities in 20 19, it's been front and center on, not only in the Gulf of Mexico, but another offers the world as well.

34:12 - 34:27

Chris WoodleThe one thing we did accomplish, via the OSC, you know, Lifeboat workgroup, was an industry led development of a guidance document to provide minimum framework to achieve in lieu of periodic launches to water.

34:27 - 34:40Chris WoodleAnd basically, with that, what we did was use the framework from IMO, MSC Circular 486, which allows modems that fall under IMO Instruments, too.

34:42 - 34:46Chris WoodleAlternatively, test their boats in lieu of open water lodging.

34:46 - 34:50Chris WoodleSo it's not something that we just thought up or invented.

34:50 - 34:53Chris WoodleIt's been in place, even though IMO instruments.

34:53 - 34:56Chris WoodleSo obviously apply to offshore platforms.

34:57 - 35:01Chris WoodleWe felt the parallels were there so we use the same logic.

35:03 - 35:11Chris WoodleEarly March A small contingent of local sea members also matter of fact finding trip to saint John's Newfoundland.


Oh, Really, really good trip.

35:16 - 35:19Chris WoodleProbably, the hardest I've ever worked to get anywhere.

35:19 - 35:26Chris WoodleIt's probably not the best time of year to get out there with the winter, weather and all that but I highly recommend it to anyone if you could ever get a chance to go.

35:28 - 35:49Chris WoodleDefinitely go to any place, interesting place because we wouldn't really consider it to be sort of a center of excellence for life both safety issues but you know that's where the ocean Ranger casualty happened in the early eighties and a lot of, what came out of that investigation assault on develop some of the things they have a place in their area now.

35:49 - 35:52Chris WoodleSo we, virtual learning technology, Tony Paterson.

35:55 - 36:00Chris WoodleThey're CEO put this trip together and the agenda together for us.

36:01 - 36:15Chris WoodleBasically consistent with the two and half days of meetings, with the regulators transport Canada, with their off shore petroleum more CLO PB which functions in the same manner as our best CEOs here.

36:15 - 36:18Chris WoodleWe met with researchers their universities.

36:21 - 36:24

Chris WoodleExtensive research on on lifeboat design.

36:24 - 36:32Chris WoodleObviously, they have other environmental issues they deal with up their modeling, severe weather, but also ice.

36:32 - 36:36Chris WoodleThey have testing pools that Ron Paul forms through and all that.

36:36 - 36:46Chris WoodleSo, it was a really, really interesting discussion there, also learn that a fraction of there, royalties, goes towards research and development, someone that's, that's funded.

36:48 - 36:52Chris WoodleYou know, some of the research they've done with regard to simulation technology and things like that.

36:53 - 37:06Chris WoodleThen, we wrapped up that trip with the meeting, off with the operators to learn about how they all got together and assessed and design different ways, too.

37:07 - 37:14Chris WoodleAchieve the functions that you get by launching, to walk with the equipment and to know.

37:15 - 37:17Chris WoodleProvide an opportunity for a fair competency.

37:18 - 37:22

Chris WoodleThere was a period of time where they did a lot and it's kinda like anywhere else.

37:22 - 37:35Chris WoodleIt's blockchain is not the most difficult parts, getting equipment that safely, that causes the challenge, and obviously with their extreme six days, They're almost impossible.

37:35 - 37:50Chris WoodleSo I learned a lot about how they worked with not only the operators regulators but also with their life book vendors to design different testing methods to test the boat's in situ and then how they developed operator competency protocols that.

37:52 - 38:02Chris WoodleIn lieu of, you know, launch on a boat, they are able to come in and do that once a year on the shore based training provider, or VM a simulator.

38:02 - 38:04Chris WoodleSo, lots of good stuff.

38:06 - 38:12Chris WoodleAnd then the last thing we do, I guess it was just after the trip, show hosted a lifeboat incident investigation.

38:12 - 38:12Chris WoodleSure.

38:13 - 38:14Chris WoodleMarch ninth down.

38:14 - 38:19

Chris WoodleAt Phil's office in New Orleans, and those can be a presentation hear later on about that.

38:19 - 38:22Chris WoodleSo, next slide.

38:24 - 38:35Chris WoodleSo, the report is, a bit long, about 40 pages from this report, and then attached to it, because it's referenced quite heavily, is also the heels of the guidance document.

38:35 - 38:36Chris WoodleI mentioned a minute ago.

38:37 - 38:43Chris WoodleAlternatives to local Blotching, so it makes the whole thing, know, a pretty good read, but felt it was all relevant.

38:43 - 38:47Chris WoodleSo combine those those two PDFs as one PDF.

38:48 - 39:02Chris WoodleSo the main report of this kind of statement, I know specifically identifies that even though the task statement talks about OCS units, this record is primarily focused on fixed and floating OCS facilities.

39:03 - 39:04Chris WoodleIn other words, production platforms.


And this is because of the other units, like motives, benefit from more contemporary regulations.

39:12 - 39:14Chris WoodleThey generally fall under IMO Instruments.

39:14 - 39:20Chris WoodleThere stick with the exception of one or flag somewhere else besides the US.

39:20 - 39:29Chris WoodleSo know that they have their challenges, too, not to say they don't, but they have other things in place that help them kind of workaround that.

39:32 - 39:37Chris WoodleWe provided some general background and highlighted the regular occurrences of its incidents, like I mentioned a minute ago.

39:37 - 39:43Chris WoodleI mean, there's been some studies that were gone, obviously, that they're a little bit dated.

39:43 - 39:55Chris WoodleBut, you know, if you've ever read a trade magazine or follow GTAC down or even Google the words lifeboat oxidant, you see that fairly?

39:58 - 40:05Chris WoodleSteady basis, There's something going wrong with the lifeboat somewhere in the world, either off of a ship, and occasionally in an off shore area, although a.


Lot less, obviously, because of the demographics.

40:07 - 40:08Chris WoodleMuch smaller.

40:08 - 40:27Chris WoodleBut just to kinda highlight the fact that, no incidents, things like this, that are designed to save lives, because of a variety of factors, whether it's lack of training, for maintenance, where you're launching, et cetera, et cetera, have led to fatalities and injuries.

40:28 - 40:29Chris WoodleSo, damage to the equipment.

40:31 - 40:39Chris WoodleSo, we're going to find some relevant factors related to this issue overall, and they're described obviously a lot more in the report, but obviously regulatory framework.

40:41 - 40:47Chris WoodleWe have huge differences in the requirements between fixed and floating OCS facilities, because identified and subchapter.

40:48 - 40:57Chris WoodleUm, the requirements for periodic launching we don't believe, are explicit subchapter, and I mean, it's ambiguous at best.

40:58 - 41:01Chris WoodleTalked a little bit of oversight, training and experience of coastguard and spoke.


There was, I mean, it's, getting alluded to care for a time, to, anyone in a uniform, is kind of pass them through, sometimes 2, 3, 4 years, maybe.

41:11 - 41:23Chris WoodleSometimes you get lucky, you get the people, but, you know, it wasn't for for 20 years, and certainly attest to the fact that the, uh, experienced trauma kinda goes up and down with the transfer seasons, and it's just the way it's always been.

41:23 - 41:33Chris WoodleSo, it does have an impact a little bit on on what we see offshore because the type of systems we have, all the boats are willing to watch.

41:33 - 41:39Chris WoodleThings that are also type approved by Coast Guard or launched off things that don't look anything like peripheral vessels.

41:41 - 41:45Chris WoodleWe have, obviously, the industry has a part to play in here.

41:45 - 41:49Chris WoodleCertainly far from where I sit with my accompanying equipment selection.

41:51 - 41:52Chris WoodleWe're all over the map.

41:52 - 41:55Chris WoodleI think we have just about the OEM represented on our six platforms.

41:56 - 42:06Chris WoodleAnd, you know, you choose to go with what you go with based on a variety of

factors, but obviously, your production platform, it's out there to produce oil and gas, and you're sort of limited by real estate.

42:06 - 42:13Chris WoodleSo, you know, where you put your critical Lesson equipment tends to be adjusted over time as you design the facility.

42:14 - 42:18Chris WoodleSometimes you elect to go with fewer, larger bolts.

42:18 - 42:22Chris WoodleOr sometimes you go with more smaller capacity both to just just the start.

42:25 - 42:29Chris WoodleTraining and experience of our personnel lifesaving duties is talked about a little bit.

42:30 - 42:34Chris WoodleWe haven't Marine crew, and they're not Mariners.

42:34 - 42:37Chris WoodleI mean, they, they are good at what they do.

42:38 - 42:43Chris WoodleUm, but really, not the same as, you know, bonafide.

42:45 - 42:56Chris WoodleAble-bodied, CMO or Licensed Officer where you or laws and these things off of ships possibly underway or whatnot.

42:57 - 42:58Chris WoodleSo it's just a different course.

42:59 - 43:06Chris WoodleThe 2018 report, there's not a hard regulatory requirement for training of all the world.

43:06 - 43:10Chris WoodleThere is the policy that drives or floating systems doesn't identify systems.

43:12 - 43:24Chris WoodleSome companies have made it their policy to just make it happen and anybody with duties is getting the training, but it's really kind of on the company, make that happen.

43:26 - 43:29Chris WoodleTraining providers and approval and oversight of courses, I mean, no.

43:29 - 43:32Chris WoodleCoast Guard, approval and oversight of many cops got approved course.

43:32 - 43:41Chris WoodleObviously, this is an issue in the Gulf of Mexico, even outside the Gulf of Mexico, it's one of those things where there's many, many, of course, of, their training providers.

43:41 - 43:47Chris WoodleAnd I think the ability to, in order to provide the level of oversight needed for that is obviously very challenging.

43:48 - 43:50Chris WoodleYears ago, I sat through, did on my ...

43:50 - 43:54Chris WoodleStuff at different providers until it runs the range.

43:54 - 43:57Chris WoodleI mean, you've got some great schools and they are the ones that just kinda took the walk.

43:57 - 44:01Chris WoodleSo it's not just what is.

44:01 - 44:12Chris WoodleAnd so we have a handful of providers, the goal region who have training boats and lakes or ponds they can operate in.

44:15 - 44:19Chris WoodleThe casualty history, in others.

44:22 - 44:24Chris WoodleI just put through a crisis is not complete or reliable.

44:24 - 44:31Chris WoodleI think there's my honchos theirs, probably things that happen that may not get reported.


I know, just from my own experience at my company, there was when we were launching periodically, quarterly, back when we thought that was a requirement.

44:41 - 44:57Chris WoodleI mean, it was very common that every couple of months, you know, we we get some feedback in the field during the process of doing swinging around and whatnot, you smash a window or ripping off the sprinkler door, handle or something like that.

44:57 - 45:01Chris WoodleIt was mostly equipment damage there was occasionally near, misses with.

45:01 - 45:03Chris WoodlePeople can walk into the room.

45:06 - 45:17Chris WoodleSmacked hands or whatnot has caused us to curve, run that process of our risk assessment process, decided that it was something we wanted to minimize.

45:17 - 45:33Chris WoodleIf we could lots of discussion, both in this document, and in the OSC goals, document, regarding the risks and challenges associated associated with launching, but really primarily recovery from platforms.

45:35 - 45:41Chris WoodleNo, really, it's mentioned, the ships normally accomplished this regulatory obligation.

45:41 - 45:52Chris WoodleWhile they're at the Docker acronym protected harbor words, really not a whole lot different than go into our training provider and doing it the way it gets very benign.

45:52 - 46:00

Chris WoodleAnd then they can get it done that way, where, you know, vote it was on location or platforms, obviously, fixed on location.

46:01 - 46:04Chris WoodleNo choice, but to launch in the open water environment.

46:04 - 46:18Chris WoodleAnd so probably because I was quarantined and a lot of time, but look at any case history that is out there and didn't know in the Glow more Java C Coast Guard, Marine Board of Investigation.

46:18 - 46:22Chris WoodleThere was there was some discussion around that, no, obviously, theories.

46:23 - 46:35Chris WoodleIt was a it was a modal model platform, the wrist until they know casualty history for floating offshore facility but I think the parallel can be drawn because more and so for launching two, no height above the water.

46:36 - 46:42Chris WoodleUm, so there's a discussion in there about, you know, what those investigators found.

46:43 - 46:43Chris WoodleUm.

46:46 - 46:59Chris WoodleThey interviewed some of the masters from some of the sister ships, and it was determined that, you know, we, because it was so challenging to get the boat's back, it was, they usually work, launch into water completely.

46:59 - 47:01Chris WoodleThey lower it down, bring it back in.

47:01 - 47:08Chris WoodleJust, anybody thought it was interesting, that back in the early eighties, a lot of the same things that product, or bring it up now, were brought up then.

47:09 - 47:19Chris WoodleDid also note that the Coast Guard investigators in that council, the specific recommendations to the Coast Guard common alternative ways of doing it should be, should be pursued.

47:20 - 47:26Chris WoodleCommonwealth Rehab Cookery Park identified the need to make drills from Elastic.

47:26 - 47:31Chris WoodleI think, you know, making drills realistic is great idea.

47:32 - 47:33Chris WoodleNeeds to be tempered with the rest.

47:33 - 47:38Chris WoodleI mean, obviously, we're not lighting actual fires off shore to shore.

47:41 - 47:42Chris WoodleKnow your lunch.


No.

47:45 - 47:50Chris WoodleWe want to make drills realistic than the Costco will probably come out and tell you, I was like, ships.

47:50 - 47:53Chris WoodleThey can no longer long dark, because that's not what you're going to abandon ship.

47:53 - 47:55Chris WoodleYou can do that in the middle of the ocean.

47:55 - 47:57Chris WoodleSo that will go over very well, either.

47:59 - 48:02Chris WoodleAnyway, I thought that was the discussion on that report.


48:06 - 48:25Chris WoodleMain report kind of closes out that, you know, these issues, obviously you need some action and ask the question, you know, aside from the actual causal factors that lead to the fatal Incident 2019, is how we're doing this is up.

48:25 - 48:27Chris WoodleIs that possibly part of the problem?

48:27 - 48:33Chris WoodleYou will realize that life boats are really designed to full, full of people aren't going away, and they're not really designed to come back.

48:34 - 48:42Chris WoodleAnd if you're ship doing this at the dark, it's much easier to do because you control that much better.

48:42 - 48:45Chris WoodleBut offshore, you know, we can't, we don't, we can't use penalize.

48:45 - 48:51Chris WoodleWe can't use timelines platforms, moving a little bit, even on a calm day, you know, it's just not an ideal operation.

48:51 - 48:56Chris WoodleSo, know, it's a dynamic loading that's going on for that release care over time.

48:56 - 48:58Chris WoodleIt's not causing problems.

48:59 - 49:03Chris WoodleThe Canadians have actually done studies that say, so, just I think things we've got to look at.

49:05 - 49:06Chris WoodleLast teleconference.

49:06 - 49:09

Chris WoodleWe had some discussion around where is this going to go?

49:09 - 49:10Chris WoodleSo?

49:12 - 49:18Chris WoodleLot of consensus there, for a lot of people who've been involved in these efforts over the years.

49:18 - 49:24Chris WoodleAnd just not a lot of confidence that them going to be addressed the regulatory effort, I think.

49:24 - 49:36Chris WoodleIt's safe to say, based on a multi image remarks over the sea General meeting last summer, where, you know, there's just not any effort underway for priority for Coast Guard, to rewrite subchapter.

49:36 - 49:45Chris WoodleAnd so, we know that given that, can the Coast Guard any other way where law Regulation supports policy?

49:47 - 49:50Chris WoodleCan policy be developed, or can other guidance being developed?

49:51 - 49:53Chris WoodleJust kinda close us out with the status quo.


Obviously, doing nothing is not going to be acceptable.

49:56 - 49:58Chris WoodleWe have to have this equipment, it's got to work.

49:59 - 50:02Chris WoodleI think we just need to know, finding better ways to do it.

50:02 - 50:11Chris WoodleI think a big part of that is looking outside the US to places that have already kinda wrestled with these issues and found a better way.


50:15 - 50:19Chris WoodleSo then, the rest of the report goes into the six different tasks.

50:19 - 50:29Chris WoodleI'm not going to read every specific row, all of them, But just kinda give a highlight for each task, as we go through it here.

50:30 - 50:36Chris WoodleProbably also be cognizant of, so tasks number one was to review the 2015, ...

50:36 - 50:42Chris WoodleFinal report, and update any recommendations that have become dated for that need to be modified.

50:43 - 50:58Chris WoodleSo, looking at that, it was clear, and I was, I was on the subcommittee for the number of other people in this particular effort, but it was, you know, that the way the 2015 task statement was written that the Coast Guard recognize the risks of launching an open water.

50:59 - 51:02Chris WoodleThat's, that, was the purpose of the Task statement.

51:03 - 51:10Chris WoodleUm, that report didn't really fully capitalize on the opportunity to identify those significant parts.

51:10 - 51:11Chris WoodleThere's a large and recovering boats.

51:16 - 51:17Chris WoodleMore discussion around that now?

51:19 - 51:20Chris WoodleNo, because of those.

51:20 - 51:24Chris WoodleThe Incident of 2019, and looking at, you know, it's just not the same.

51:26 - 51:33Chris WoodleUm, the report really didn't recognize the unique challenges that offshore platforms have with doing something about the water.

51:33 - 51:35Chris WoodleYou don't look like a ship.

51:35 - 51:37Chris WoodleYou look like a kitchen table sometimes.

51:37 - 51:41Chris WoodleSpohr inability to stabilize the craft.

51:42 - 51:49Chris WoodleMean, you have calmed a swipe platform motion that will induce a pendulum effect on the lifeboat that's going over the air gap.

51:50 - 51:54Chris WoodleSo, these are all things that, you know, ships doing this stuff for the doc don't have to deal with.

51:55 - 52:02Chris WoodleSo, the test, one, we offered revised recommendations for the recommendations made in the 2015 report.


52:07 - 52:08Chris WoodlePast number two.


Research that identify potential modifications that could be added already required whiteboard equipment, IE, solar equipment, lifeboat arrangements that would be more appropriate for lifesaving Appliance installed on OCS unit.

52:24 - 52:45Chris WoodleWill discuss them there that you know this issue might benefit from us escape evacuation the rescue an ER analysis that's not the same as the emergency evacuation plan EP requirement the platform's another OCS Cenotaph but more, you know, a systems approach to look at proximity of rescue resources.

52:47 - 52:53Chris WoodleHow much time that would take, But how that would work in a mass evacuation sort of scenario?

52:53 - 52:56Chris WoodleAnd an out of that, we might know.

52:56 - 52:57Chris WoodleIdentify that.

52:59 - 53:06Chris WoodleMaybe we don't need 200% coverage, and maybe we don't need all this equipment, the lifeboat, because I'm not going to be on the old.

53:07 - 53:16Chris WoodleAnd so, I know it's a document or company, but I don't believe that my knowledge isn't a thing.

53:17 - 53:24Chris WoodleWe brought this up in some of our meetings, no one's aware of any industry, remedy your for the Gulf of Mexico.

53:25 - 53:36Chris WoodleThere was a discussion on this task about the differences in required equipment between fixed and floating point, I mean, it couldn't be more stark your middle required equipment.

53:36 - 53:41Chris WoodleManned fixed platform, it's ..., it looks like a pool.

53:42 - 53:44Chris WoodleIt offers no fire protection whatsoever.

53:45 - 53:54Chris WoodleThey can elect to have life rafts or lifeboats, contrast that with the floating platform, that has essentially all the same risks as a fixed platform, or vice versa.

53:54 - 53:59Chris WoodleWhere your minimum piece of required equipment is a fully enclosed sparked lifeboat.

53:59 - 54:03Chris WoodleYou got that 2% capacity of those, and you gotta have a way for us.

54:03 - 54:05Chris WoodleAnd you gotta have a rescue boat, serves us?

54:06 - 54:07Chris WoodleGaps there.

54:08 - 54:12

Chris WoodleDiscussion of the need to establish, sort of a gold standard, like we did with weight.

54:13 - 54:15Chris WoodleThe gold standard of life or equipment.

54:15 - 54:22Chris WoodleThat's a minimum required standard, As the minimum required standard now, may be excessive, or not useful.

54:22 - 54:29Chris WoodleIn other words, you know, weren't working off the table, 46 CFR 108, pass things on.

54:31 - 54:33Chris WoodlePaint, once again, you can't use a panel.

54:34 - 54:38Chris WoodleBoth on the platform and systems platform does not on her way.

54:39 - 54:42Chris WoodleYou really hope it's not on the way, It's about day for you.

54:43 - 54:47Chris WoodleSo, do we need that much water, was going to be on the boat that long, and on, and on and on.

54:47 - 54:58Chris WoodleBut there was a suggested table in there of equipment, and, again, that can be, you know, the seeds for future discussion with the MCMI, to get down to a list of

equipment.

54:58 - 55:03Chris WoodleThat's more appropriate for life, boats in the OCS that takes into account.

55:04 - 55:09Chris WoodleThe fact that people probably aren't going to be in them that long, and what do we really need?

55:10 - 55:12Chris WoodleCan we get rid of stuff that we don't need?

55:16 - 55:17Chris WoodleNext slide, task number three.

55:19 - 55:25Chris WoodleIdentify potential design flaws for life both trustee craft them to launch in recovery arrangements.

55:25 - 55:36Chris WoodleThat address would enhance the safety of lifeboats the rescue craft, including lodging, recovering tomatoes, yes units, including analyzing modu requirements for 46 CFR Chapter ...

55:36 - 55:38Chris WoodleFor suitability, clothing goes yes units.

55:39 - 55:42Chris WoodleAnd be people on board EOB, Standard Way, Politics size.

55:43 - 55:53Chris WoodleReference any federal Register doc ID, USCG 20120848, made some points there that led the design is based around the minimum regulatory standards.

55:54 - 55:59Chris WoodleThere's really not much incentives for manufacturers to change anything unless it's driven by regulation.

55:59 - 56:00Chris WoodleThat's just the fact.

56:01 - 56:04Chris WoodleSome discussions here and task number three, the previous ...

56:04 - 56:07Chris WoodleReports primarily Glow or Java C in the Ocean Ranger.

56:07 - 56:12Chris WoodleThere's a link to the the Coast Guard.

56:12 - 56:19Chris WoodleThe marine board for Ocean Ranger and the Canadians to the royal commission report, which both are really good reads the Royal commission Report.

56:21 - 56:23Chris WoodleReally, something else and just.


Highlighted a lot of things that that report brought up about design issues that can be improved, and that other design system should be explored.

56:34 - 56:35Chris WoodleYeah.

56:37 - 56:41Chris WoodleFortunately, here we are, 40 years later, talk about the same stuff, because nothing's changed.


56:44 - 56:45Chris WoodleTest number three continued.

56:47 - 56:53Chris WoodleIdentify that the IMO addressed risks with launching offshore via the MSC Circular 14 86.

56:56 - 57:02Chris WoodleThere was a lot of discussion at the December meeting exon about weight on both people and equipment.

57:03 - 57:13Chris WoodleBut obviously, people with we all know, our offshore workforce is not getting smaller Number of operators to voluntarily do regular boats, too.


Another gold standard of 95 kilograms, about £210.

57:18 - 57:34Chris WoodleBut, know, just looking at what average weights are being flown off shore, which are north of 210, probably another long overdue, probably two million, another way threshold that's going to be higher than 10.

57:35 - 57:44Chris WoodleSo there were five recommendations for lifeboat design in this task: the report recommendations to address the wages you in five recommendations for labor arrangements.

57:44 - 57:50Chris WoodleSome of the local design stuff, recommendations around manufacturing design boats that are much easier to test.

57:50 - 58:04Chris WoodleAnd the data will be already set up for that how the things necessary to attach, to test the sprinkler, diameters to test the load, the incident that's necessary, or whatnot, but to already come that way, versus having them be retrofitted later on.

58:10 - 58:11Chris WoodleExcellent.

58:11 - 58:21Chris WoodleOk, tell us number four recommended suggested changes to existing regulations under policies governing lifeboats, the rescue craft to address unique operational issues found on OCS units.

58:23 - 58:29Chris WoodleUm, again, we're not expecting deregulation, was underway.

58:29 - 58:31Chris WoodleI think just, given the lessons learned from Subchapter ...

58:31 - 58:33Chris WoodleRecently, that was it like a 10 year effort.

58:33 - 58:35Chris WoodleIt would take some, it would take some time.

58:35 - 58:36Chris WoodleSo, what can we do?

58:37 - 58:42Chris WoodleWhere law and regulation allowed to two addresses the other guidance for policy.

58:43 - 58:51Chris WoodleUm, this task highlighted other relevant regulations around life saving are already made in the 2018 Regulatory Reform Report.

58:51 - 59:08Chris WoodleWe did it for the production sector, and we took 14 recommendations for the 2018 report, and highlight those with revised recommendations, relevant to this statement, where it was appropriate, And then we added five additional recommendations for this task statement.

59:12 - 59:15Chris WoodleNext slide, Talks number five, this one.

59:16 - 59:20

Chris WoodleThis one is probably the most involved one, recommended suggested changes.

59:22 - 59:32Chris WoodleAre alternatives for competency assurance slash training for crew serving an OCS units in life saving equipment testing, calculate when you can do telephone.

59:36 - 59:36[speaker unknown]Yes.

59:38 - 59:39Chris WoodleWas that a question?

59:43 - 59:46Marshall PerezSo, we will take questions at the end, so.

59:46 - 59:51Chris WoodleOk, thank, you know, a 30 minutes now, just kind of wanted to get through a number six.

59:51 - 59:55Marshall PerezOn the agenda, You still good time, Chris.

59:55 - 59:56Chris WoodleOk.

59:58 - 01:00:01Chris WoodleSo, again, test number five, pretty involved.

01:00:02 - 01:00:12Chris WoodleUm, we feel that launch into water is not the only way to achieve the objectives around improving equipment operations, and demonstrating operator competency in the Swiss.

01:00:13 - 01:00:27Chris WoodleAgain, looking outside Gulf of Mexico and Places, North Sea, which obviously had different drivers for pursuing alternatives, but have found ways to achieve both those objectives without the added risks involved.

01:00:28 - 01:00:34Chris WoodleAnd should even say logic, it's recovering the craft, which were the primary risk comes in.

01:00:36 - 01:00:43Chris WoodleThen, you know, we needed to look outside the US for these examples and identify policies that support alternative methods.

01:00:44 - 01:00:45Chris WoodleSo there's this part here this conundrum partly.

01:00:45 - 01:00:53Chris WoodleIt reads the same way in the report with, cartoons falls through step by step kind of where we are with, with offshore platforms, and they go home.

01:00:54 - 01:01:05Chris WoodleWe're required to have, report to ensure, rather, the equipment is in good condition, good is the word used in the regulation, IE operational readiness at all times, 33 CFR 146.15.

01:01:06 - 01:01:12Chris WoodleWe're obligated to provide lipid operators who are competent in the use of the equipment, and to be able to demonstrate their competency.

01:01:13 - 01:01:16Chris WoodleThat's pretty much identified, 4725.

01:01:18 - 01:01:32Chris WoodleThere is no regulation around training, specific training requirements for light boatman, although, again, that the policy letter did make it a policy for all ....

01:01:32 - 01:01:42Chris WoodleAnd, again, a fear, really doing the right thing, really is to send them to, you know, the four day course, whether you're fixed or floating.

01:01:42 - 01:01:43Chris WoodleIt's just the right thing to do.

01:01:44 - 01:01:51Chris WoodleTraditional methods of proving operational readiness and operator competency have been verified during periodic launches an open water.

01:01:51 - 01:01:54Chris WoodleHowever, this activity poses significant risk.

01:01:56 - 01:02:03Chris WoodleOffshore platforms have unique challenges and risks with the launching really more of the recovery of lifeboats.

01:02:03 - 01:02:04Chris WoodleNext slide.

01:02:06 - 01:02:09Chris WoodlePersonnel should not be allowed in boats during lowering and recovery.

01:02:09 - 01:02:18Chris WoodleThis is a practice that's increasingly disallowed a merchant shipping another offshore areas and simply recognizes that most of my book, kind of these occur during these two phases of the operation.

01:02:20 - 01:02:29Chris WoodleThe transferring of personnel to an already lowered like, oh, well, well doable also adds additional risks to an activity already replete with risk.

01:02:29 - 01:02:37Chris WoodleActually the last couple of days, I've had some really early morning morning phone calls with our Australian business unit as they went through it.

01:02:40 - 01:02:51Chris WoodleWe are trying to find out alternative ways and trying to find ways around transferring personnel which apparently is frequently done down there, but their sea states are a little more severe.

01:02:52 - 01:02:57Chris WoodleAnd I guess just using the example again of a floater, even on a calm day still hasn't been emotion to it.

01:02:58 - 01:03:00Chris Woodle

The lower lifeboats got the pendulum effect.

01:03:00 - 01:03:08Chris WoodleSo if you, if you tap on that effect by putting a lot of the water now your shock loading the equipment while you're waiting for them, the FRC with lifeboat career to get over to it.

01:03:09 - 01:03:16Chris WoodleOr, if you hold that lifeboat just above the water out swinging around and trying to afford that from an FRC, that they can visualize that, you can see that.

01:03:17 - 01:03:21Chris WoodleIt's just, it's just, it's hazardous.

01:03:21 - 01:03:26Chris WoodleAnd so, when you think about all that, and sort of come to the conclusion that, you know, there are other ways to do this.

01:03:28 - 01:03:31Chris WoodleWhy not proceed person those.

01:03:33 - 01:03:42Chris WoodleContinuing on the bullets here, there are other recognized best practices that exist, although there are also areas not proven effective, related to life book testing, that did not require launching.

01:03:45 - 01:03:45Chris WoodleOr the industry?

01:03:46 - 01:03:49Chris Woodle

This involves identifying, managing risks, and, of course, their values.

01:03:49 - 01:04:02Chris WoodleWe have zero tolerance for not managing potentially fatal outcomes to his close to zero, because we can, because it's simply the right thing to do, alarp, as low as reasonably practical practicable, safety, case scenario.

01:04:03 - 01:04:07Chris WoodleAs the agency charged with ensuring a progressing marine safety on the USOC us, the US.

01:04:07 - 01:04:14Chris WoodleCoast Guard should also recognize these risks and be willing to collaborate constructively with the industry to advance safer, more practical alternatives.

01:04:15 - 01:04:23Chris WoodleDefaulting to historical practices of male launching, despite the recognized, should not be viewed as promoting the safety of life and property per ox look.

01:04:23 - 01:04:36Chris WoodlePromoting the safety of life and property must include the adoption of best practices from other offshore areas and already successfully addressed these challenges through safety case regimes and utilizing a focus on as low as reasonably practical principles.

01:04:38 - 01:04:40Chris WoodleTest number five, next slide.

01:04:40 - 01:04:50Chris WoodleThere are six recommendations in their primary among them is recommended to use the OSI guidance document alternatives to light, but launching, which is attached to

this report.

01:04:51 - 01:05:01Chris WoodleFunctions for water should not be viewed as a default requirement recommendation to expand their loyalties emulators to achieve objectives with their doctor competency.

01:05:06 - 01:05:09Chris WoodleAnd, well, the OSC guidance documents mentioned repeatedly.

01:05:09 - 01:05:12Chris WoodleI mean, that's that's one over C product.

01:05:12 - 01:05:23Chris WoodleIs something that we will I'm sure will readdress that the appropriate time and revise is necessary as we learn more about how the Coast Guard is evaluating alternative.

01:05:24 - 01:05:27Chris WoodleSo submissions for alternative procedures.


01:05:30 - 01:05:31Chris WoodleTest number six.

01:05:31 - 01:05:36Chris WoodleProvide any conditions that the subcommittee believes are relevant to this tasking.

01:05:36 - 01:05:39Chris WoodleSo this is the the catch all to ask here.

01:05:39 - 01:05:48Chris WoodleSo obviously the Fatal incident in 20 19, which was discussed heavily, actually in the Australian risk assessment aosis via teleconference.

01:05:50 - 01:05:56Chris WoodleThe reason for that risk assessment, quite frankly, was the state Alexa that norm.

01:05:56 - 01:05:57Chris WoodleSo it's not just the golf thing.

01:05:57 - 01:05:58Chris WoodleIt's a little more than.

01:05:59 - 01:06:04Chris WoodleIt must serve as, you know, like any other Coast Guard investigation.

01:06:04 - 01:06:09Chris WoodleYou know, the investigation outcome should be, one that provides recommendations, too.

01:06:10 - 01:06:12Chris WoodleEnsure that that type of thing never happens again.

01:06:13 - 01:06:15Chris Woodle

Hello and recommendations in this task.

01:06:16 - 01:06:29Chris WoodleThere was an issue of non OEM or non other service providers, ASP's performing work on safety critical equipment that needs to be addressed That seems to be more prevalent on the fixed platform.

01:06:30 - 01:06:38Chris WoodleRecommendation that the OCS National Center of expertise should develop relationships with other offshore regulators and that sounds like it's something that's actually in progress, so that's good.

01:06:40 - 01:06:45Chris WoodleUm, there should be enhanced training for offshore personnel regarding release mechanisms.

01:06:45 - 01:06:58Chris WoodleI think hunches that may be discussed in the Coast Guard report when it comes out, but, obviously, with all types of boats, and different types releases that are out there, People will see different things, platform platform.

01:06:58 - 01:07:00Chris WoodleThey could see different things on the same platform.

01:07:00 - 01:07:03Chris WoodleSo it's necessary that they understand how all that stuff works.

01:07:05 - 01:07:08Chris WoodleA recommendation that operator should provide the ...

01:07:08 - 01:07:11

Chris WoodleWith equipment details, so that they can develop, so they can see what that is.

01:07:12 - 01:07:15Chris WoodleAnd develop internal and external training.

01:07:16 - 01:07:20Chris WoodleRecommendation that coastguards should not put, their personal life goes for training.

01:07:20 - 01:07:23Chris WoodleRelated to the training as desired in the Coast Guard shouldn't require.

01:07:28 - 01:07:38Chris WoodleAny US flag vessel that has, you know, white coats on it should complete and approved course as well, to provide the operational perspective.


01:07:44 - 01:07:46Chris WoodleRecommendation coastguard should accept other courses.

01:07:46 - 01:07:50Chris WoodleTraining may not be coskata proof because otherwise accepted by other recognized bombings.

01:07:52 - 01:08:04Chris WoodleRecommendation that the Coast Guard should issue nosek Future Task Statement to evaluate the Coast Guard's Investigation Report from the 2019 fatal incident, so that

the industry can provide feedback on the findings conclusions and recommendations.

01:08:07 - 01:08:12Chris WoodleThe recommendation coastguard should consider other novel appliances besides lifeboats for evacuation of actual facilities.

01:08:12 - 01:08:18Chris WoodleThis was discussed extensively in the Royal Commission Report, on Ocean Ranger almost 40 years ago.

01:08:18 - 01:08:30Chris WoodleIt actually was a requirement that allow this in the rulemaking, for the update, the subchapter It was in there, but the rulemaking was withdrawn.

01:08:31 - 01:08:32Chris WoodleLet me know.

01:08:32 - 01:08:32Chris WoodleSo.

01:08:35 - 01:08:39Chris WoodleRecommendation to the Coast Guard should require the removal of obsolete equipment offshore.

01:08:39 - 01:08:45Chris WoodleServiceable and not appropriate for continued or extended service or not the same stuff out there.

01:08:45 - 01:08:47Chris Woodle

That shouldn't be out there.

01:08:50 - 01:08:51Chris WoodleNext slide, and this is, uh.

01:08:55 - 01:09:07Chris WoodleBeyond any Q&A, I'll just kind of close out by saying Warren, Eric, and myself, extremely grateful for time, effort, professionalism, and experience of all contributed to this report.

01:09:09 - 01:09:17Chris WoodleAnd I think we'll endeavor that we keep moving this forward so that we're not having to address the same issues in the future.

01:09:17 - 01:09:25Chris WoodleI think this is going to be persist, the topic one way or another, but I think we really have an opportunity now to make some good changes.

01:09:26 - 01:09:30Chris WoodleSo with that, oh, conclude my comments and take any questions.

01:09:31 - 01:09:38Marshall PerezSo, thank you mister Woodall, mister Weaver and mister round and members of the subcommittee.

01:09:38 - 01:09:49Marshall PerezWe appreciate the hard work, the dedication of time, personal and in company times in this very important subject.

01:09:50 - 01:09:52Marshall Perez

Are there any questions from the committee members?

01:09:54 - 01:09:54Tom HoranMarshall?

01:09:54 - 01:09:56Tom HoranThis is Thomas Moran if I may.

01:09:56 - 01:09:57Marshall PerezTom we recognized.

01:09:58 - 01:10:01Tom HoranThank you Tom Moran representing Offshore Drilling.

01:10:01 - 01:10:04Tom HoranI will try and be as brief as I possibly can.

01:10:05 - 01:10:15Tom HoranFirst and foremost, I'd like to just welcome mister West and Mrs. mister Denting to our offshore bubble, so to speak, Welcome to number two.

01:10:16 - 01:10:23Tom HoranI'd like to recognize the hard work of the co-chairs and the attendees of the lifeboats Subcommittee.

01:10:23 - 01:10:31Tom HoranThe work is outstanding report is really, you can tell that a lot of effort went into that report.

01:10:31 - 01:10:33Tom HoranSo, great job, everyone.

01:10:33 - 01:10:34Tom HoranThank you for that.

01:10:34 - 01:10:43Tom HoranNumber three, just some general comments, going back to some points that were made in the presentation that we just saw.

01:10:44 - 01:10:48Tom HoranObviously, there's some concern with the progression towards regulatory.

01:10:49 - 01:10:53Tom HoranHistorically, you know, the industry is a little bit hesitant.

01:10:53 - 01:10:56Tom HoranRegulations promulgated.

01:10:56 - 01:11:06Tom HoranBut in this case, we're seeing industry doing a lot of work to actually asked for regulations and normal begging for regulations in this particular case.

01:11:06 - 01:11:19Tom HoranSo, my hope is that the comments made this morning hold fast and that we do see some action and try to break the chain of the hurry, hurry up, and wait scenario with these test statements.

01:11:19 - 01:11:23

Tom HoranSo, I fully support the report.

01:11:23 - 01:11:23Tom HoranIt's excellent.

01:11:23 - 01:11:25Tom HoranThe work done there was great.

01:11:25 - 01:11:27Tom HoranSo, I commend all that were involved.

01:11:27 - 01:11:30Tom HoranI have one final comment on the report itself.

01:11:30 - 01:11:44Tom HoranOn page 35, there's a note regarding a reference regarding to with respect to dedicated rescue boats, moving away from the dual purpose.

01:11:44 - 01:11:52Tom HoranI mentioned one particular flag, and I just wanted to make a point of clarity there, regarding that, the 2009 ...

01:11:52 - 01:11:56Tom HoranCode, it would be applicable regardless of flag.

01:11:56 - 01:12:01Tom HoranAnd we want to make sure I'm clarifying that because I don't want it to be misinterpreted that.

01:12:02 - 01:12:10Tom HoranOther flags are not enforcing that particular requirement because it is in the 2009 model code, and that's all I have, Thank you very much.

01:12:13 - 01:12:14Chris WoodleThanks, Tom, for that.

01:12:14 - 01:12:17Chris WoodleGood point, you're absolutely right.

01:12:18 - 01:12:35Marshall PerezYeah, so Donna, just to clarify that point, is is some people in industry will still see dual purpose boats, but it's because they predate the 2009 motor code, and they have allowances from that flag, not to change.

01:12:35 - 01:12:36Marshall PerezCorrect.

01:12:39 - 01:12:41Tom HoranI'm sorry, could you repeat that, Marshall?

01:12:41 - 01:12:51Marshall PerezSo when people look at industry and they still see dual purpose lifeboat rescue boats, it's because those justice predate the 2009 voted code, correct.

01:12:51 - 01:12:52Tom HoranYes, That's correct.

01:12:52 - 01:12:59

Tom HoranSo the 2009, so that particular one is applicable to new constructions as from that enforced date.

01:13:00 - 01:13:01Marshall PerezThank you.

01:13:01 - 01:13:02Marshall PerezAny other questions from committee?

01:13:10 - 01:13:12Marshall PerezOk, well, I have one, mister.

01:13:12 - 01:13:12Marshall PerezMister.

01:13:12 - 01:13:16Marshall PerezWardle on the, uh, the ER.

01:13:17 - 01:13:24Marshall PerezSo, is the thinking of the subcommittee to include that as part of the safety case process, potentially.

01:13:29 - 01:13:30Chris WoodleNot really, Marissa.

01:13:30 - 01:13:35Chris WoodleWas more recommendation on the fact that I felt that my company, it was.

01:13:37 - 01:13:41Chris WoodleAgain, I've talked about, call it sort of a systems approach.

01:13:41 - 01:13:42Chris WoodleA saw just the Lifeboats.

01:13:42 - 01:13:50Chris WoodleOnce once you get on the boat and where do you go and work with rescue resources around you, I think just looking at that whole thing holistically.

01:13:53 - 01:14:02Chris WoodleNo, may help us better identify what we actually need on the platform, in terms of equipment, and the type of equipment.

01:14:02 - 01:14:07Chris WoodleWe keep in that equipment, IE, you know, what do we really need to inventory in the lifeboat?

01:14:07 - 01:14:17Chris WoodleBecause I think we all recognize that in super harsh weather, offshore like a hurricane, are people out there to abandon platforms anyway.

01:14:18 - 01:14:22Chris WoodleBut in the case of fire, blah, whatever, know, they're gonna get there.

01:14:22 - 01:14:29Chris WoodleWe do not have the requirement for stand-by vessels or something that's come up from time to time but we'll call that, we do have, other facilities have approximate.

01:14:29 - 01:14:35Chris WoodleWe have, then of course, the Coast Guard rescue resources, ....

01:14:36 - 01:14:47Chris WoodleSo it was more of a recommendation to kind of assess that and see how that can make us, see it, see it that will allow us to make other decisions relative to what we maintain on board.

01:14:50 - 01:14:50Marshall PerezGotcha.

01:14:51 - 01:14:59Marshall PerezAlso on the, uh, it was earlier this year, the Marine Safety Forum come up with a guidance for Marine practitioners.

01:14:59 - 01:15:02Marshall PerezWas that looked at Or it was Community where there is it.

01:15:02 - 01:15:10Marshall PerezIs that something that could be used from a company perspective for the fixed platforms where we have Marine personnel but not Mariners per se?

01:15:12 - 01:15:16Chris WoodleI'm not aware though Subcommittee members burnell.

01:15:21 - 01:15:22Marshall PerezOk, Very well.

01:15:23 - 01:15:24

Chris WoodleI'd like to learn more about it.

01:15:25 - 01:15:25Marshall PerezYeah.

01:15:26 - 01:15:26Marshall PerezYeah.

01:15:27 - 01:15:35Marshall PerezLet me say just from safety for something else different, but it's not just lifeboats, its other pieces also collision weren't.

01:15:35 - 01:15:50Marshall PerezNow, the question is, I know, certainly, need to challenge as a committee in, talk about, on the record, is the recommendation around, no, personnel should be in the lifeboats, during launching in recovery.

01:15:51 - 01:15:54Marshall PerezThat's a big statement from what is typically done.

01:15:55 - 01:15:56Marshall PerezI apologize.

01:15:57 - 01:16:02Marshall PerezI have yard work going on right now for the feedback and background noise, but not many.

01:16:04 - 01:16:08Marshall PerezThis is really just focused on the off shore environment is where this

recommendation is.

01:16:08 - 01:16:21Marshall PerezIs headed if, I remember correctly from our participation subcommittee, but also is this period or if there's an engineered solution to move the risk down as low as reasonably practical?

01:16:21 - 01:16:28Marshall PerezCould we still do this and have people into votes for the operating crew for launching recovery?

01:16:30 - 01:16:31Marshall PerezBecause that is a huge step.

01:16:31 - 01:16:34Marshall PerezI think that we do deserve some discussion.

01:16:35 - 01:16:35Chris WoodleYeah!

01:16:35 - 01:16:39Chris WoodleSo it is there a discussion I think when we were talking about them again, we looked a lot.

01:16:39 - 01:16:44Chris WoodleI mean, even our own shipping company with my company, it's made out of prohibition for many years.

01:16:45 - 01:16:52Chris WoodleUm, looking back at the two reports that are identified in this task statement, again,

that were done a long time ago.

01:16:53 - 01:16:58Chris WoodleIt hasn't been an extensive effort lately, but, um, no.

01:17:01 - 01:17:08Chris WoodleStern lowering of recovery that followed closely by lowering is where the incident seem to happen.

01:17:08 - 01:17:16Chris WoodleOf course, a lot of those were happening back when we had the older style hooks and whatnot and, again, there's a variety of factors what he's up to the top and taken the human element of it.

01:17:17 - 01:17:24Chris WoodleIf you're a separate, the thought was pretty easy to do because people can do whatever, you don't have, the power of the water.

01:17:25 - 01:17:26Chris WoodleUm.

01:17:28 - 01:17:31Chris WoodleSo, whether it's telling people on the boat or not.

01:17:32 - 01:17:50Chris WoodleAgain, for, for the platforms, it became an issue of, you know, if looking at the two primary objectives that you achieve, launching, one, test the equipment to prove operator competency, and then looking at other places that found other ways to do this.

01:17:52 - 01:17:54

Chris WoodleNo, just getting away from that altogether.

01:17:55 - 01:18:09Chris WoodleAnd testing the equipment through OEM approved alternative procedures, and run people through an annual refresher training, which, quite frankly, is, isn't way more than they would be getting, even under a quarterly launch requirement.

01:18:09 - 01:18:09Chris WoodleBecause.

01:18:12 - 01:18:19Chris WoodleWeren't getting the opportunity based on that opportunity, happened to occur largely driven by weather conditions.

01:18:19 - 01:18:25Chris WoodleSo if you, if you sort of mandate that, then I think you're, you're a lot further along.

01:18:28 - 01:18:35Chris WoodleKnow, we had a lot of discussion around this, on the two phone calls I was on the last couple of days with the Australian folks, Know?

01:18:35 - 01:18:53Chris WoodleIt's, that's, again, an issue where they typically, it's, there practiced enough people in the craft going down, and they were trying to transfer people know, by doing that, more, risks were being created and trying to find, again, different ways to test equipment, improve competency.

01:18:53 - 01:18:56Chris WoodleSo, to your point, you know, can other things be engineered out?

01:18:56 - 01:18:57Chris WoodleI mean, Absolutely.

01:18:57 - 01:19:02Chris WoodleI mean, in my opinion, there are certain both types out there that are probably more suitable for this than others.

01:19:04 - 01:19:16Chris WoodleKnow, one of the discussions we had in this workshop the last couple of days with the fact that, you know, we don't seem to question this at all in other man, writing equipment things like personnel baskets lives and stuff like that.

01:19:18 - 01:19:21Chris WoodleKnow, again, just looking at when lifeboat incidents tend to occur.

01:19:21 - 01:19:22Chris WoodleUm.

01:19:25 - 01:19:32Chris WoodleThe easiest way to minimize that risk would seem to be taking people out, but them sort of address other issues when you do that.

01:19:32 - 01:19:42Chris WoodleSo, you know, again, lots of recommendations, and, hopefully, just opportunities for future discussion on better ways to accomplish this.

01:19:45 - 01:19:47Marshall PerezOk, thank you, Chris.

01:19:47 - 01:19:59Marshall PerezAnd that's just, one of my concerns is, to take approach, can put anybody in the votes at all for launching, is that if we have an easier way to keep them safe, it's still an option on a periodic basis and fully.

01:20:00 - 01:20:00Marshall PerezSupport.

01:20:00 - 01:20:04Marshall PerezThe idea of some of this alternative training to minimize that risk.

01:20:04 - 01:20:17Marshall PerezBut, as a lot of people on this call have been our managers and have experiences, they do also see some value being in the boats when it's safe for those articles.

01:20:17 - 01:20:18Chris WoodleYeah.

01:20:20 - 01:20:30Chris WoodleSo, I'll just, I guess, just to stress to that were mainly talking about the periodic launching that's being done, again, to prove operational readiness and operative competency.

01:20:30 - 01:20:41Chris WoodleThere's still going to be times that you're going to have to put a boat in the water to do a boat change out, or even do a weight task, because some manufacturers don't allow their boats to be.

01:20:43 - 01:20:44Chris Woodle

That's where does that sound.

01:20:46 - 01:20:59Chris WoodleSo, yeah, it's just different ways of looking at it, Also, recognizing, too, that there are devices that guard against failure, but there are other components in that system that can fail in their falls.

01:20:59 - 01:21:00Chris WoodleHe got sockets.

01:21:00 - 01:21:03Chris WoodleYou got they have a ticket, which is a slip on and on and on.

01:21:03 - 01:21:04Chris WoodleSo it's not just not just the books.

01:21:08 - 01:21:08Tom HoranSo.

01:21:09 - 01:21:12Marshall PerezThank you for this horn get in here.

01:21:12 - 01:21:15Marshall PerezAnd we have to move it along for public comment, too.

01:21:15 - 01:21:23Marshall PerezSo just one short comment, I don't think we're heavily reliable on mandating.

01:21:24 - 01:21:32

Marshall PerezNobody in the boats is to provide alternative methods to avoid it on, say, the weekly or quarterly launches all the time.


01:21:36 - 01:21:37Marshall PerezTom, do you have another comment?

01:21:40 - 01:21:40Tom HoranYeah.

01:21:40 - 01:21:49Tom HoranJust a real quick one, I think overall, I think it's, it's looking at it from a holistic lands in 1.

01:21:49 - 01:21:58Tom Horan1 solution may not be suitable for from, that may be suitable for one asset but not necessarily for another asset or one sector versus another sector.

01:21:58 - 01:22:00Tom HoranI think that's kind of what I get out of it.

01:22:00 - 01:22:09Marshall PerezThat sounds good and maybe something with a solution that E R may help us get there on a case by case, if that's recognized.

01:22:10 - 01:22:11Marshall Perez

Ok.

01:22:11 - 01:22:14Marshall PerezAny other questions or comments from committee members?

01:22:18 - 01:22:19[speaker unknown]No.

01:22:19 - 01:22:24Marshall PerezI'll now open up any comments from the general public.

01:22:25 - 01:22:28Marshall PerezI did get a separate note from mister ....

01:22:29 - 01:22:30Marshall PerezDid you want to make a comment?

01:22:30 - 01:22:30Marshall PerezNick?

01:22:40 - 01:22:45Nick RomoloMarshall was an approval by the US Coast Guard Poutine school on the West Coast.

01:22:49 - 01:22:50Nick RomoloOh!

01:22:52 - 01:22:58Nick Romolo

Sure, Cation now recruit in 2012, Perfect.

01:23:02 - 01:23:02Nick RomoloHmm.

01:23:03 - 01:23:07Nick RomoloBut since then, the last few years, obviously.

01:23:09 - 01:23:20Nick RomoloOk, hmm, is open now for approval, Process Q W, So you can promote.

01:23:22 - 01:23:25Nick RomoloFive minutes, US.

01:23:25 - 01:23:32Nick RomoloCoast Guard has approved because the school can use simulation ...

01:23:32 - 01:23:33Nick RomoloIn the past.

01:23:34 - 01:23:34Nick RomoloThank you.

01:23:38 - 01:23:38Marshall PerezThank you, Nick.

01:23:38 - 01:23:44Marshall Perez

Is that anyone else from the public wish to make comment, or ask a question?

01:23:48 - 01:23:49Jim RoccoMarshall, this is Jim Rocco.

01:23:49 - 01:23:50Jim RoccoCan you hear me?

01:23:51 - 01:23:51Marshall PerezYes, sir.

01:23:51 - 01:23:52Marshall PerezLoud and clear.

01:23:53 - 01:23:56Jim RoccoJust a quick question, and Chris, I can't remember.

01:23:56 - 01:24:05Jim RoccoWe may have had this conversation previously, but it has there been any communication with Iowa GP This, this issue in?

01:24:06 - 01:24:19Jim RoccoOr are you maybe looking to get this to a state or to a place in development, that maybe there could be a conversation with our GP because of that, there's some co-ordination there.

01:24:19 - 01:24:20Jim RoccoI can see some real benefit.

01:24:23 - 01:24:23Chris WoodleExamples.

01:24:23 - 01:24:27Chris WoodleGood point, actually, one of our subcommittee members is often called GP.

01:24:29 - 01:24:37Chris WoodleWas kind of, I'm not sure how far it has gotten, but the client, you will get this topic.

01:24:38 - 01:24:42Chris WoodleNo, on their agenda and can work at obviously from an international perspective.

01:24:43 - 01:24:52Jim RoccoOk, yeah, but if I can help in any way because I'm routinely in contact with their safety committee liaison on the on the secretariat.

01:24:52 - 01:24:53Jim RoccoSo just let me know.

01:24:59 - 01:25:13Marshall PerezOk, if there's no other comments, again, I thank the committee co-chairs, Mister Weaver, mister Wardle, mister Ron, in all the hard work of the subcommittee.

01:25:14 - 01:25:15Marshall PerezGood job, thank you very much.

01:25:16 - 01:25:26Marshall PerezAt this time I'll entertain a motion to accept the final report on lifeboat in rescue

craft safety on the Outer Continental shelf, and the Reclamation recommendations contained therein.

01:25:30 - 01:25:34Marshall PerezAll right, Somebody else speak up, because only I'll talk on each other.

01:25:34 - 01:25:37Tom HoranTom Maren, offshore drilling motion.

01:25:38 - 01:25:39Marshall PerezThank you, Tom.

01:25:39 - 01:25:39Marshall PerezA second.

01:25:40 - 01:25:42Fallon DominiqueAlan Dominique second.

01:25:43 - 01:25:44Marshall PerezVowel, and thank you for your second.

01:25:51 - 01:25:51Marshall PerezNow.

01:25:53 - 01:25:58Marshall PerezSecond, we'll take a vote on the report.

01:25:59 - 01:26:01Marshall Perez

All of those Committee members in favor say aye.

01:26:01 - 01:26:01Marshall PerezAye.

01:26:01 - 01:26:01Marshall PerezAye.

01:26:08 - 01:26:11Marshall PerezOk, do we have any naze from the Committee members?

01:26:16 - 01:26:18Marshall PerezHearing none, the motion is carried.

01:26:19 - 01:26:29Marshall PerezThank you co-chairs: mister Waiver, mister Brown, mister ..., Subcommittee members, and those members from the industry and public, that took the time to contribute to the effort.

01:26:29 - 01:26:37Marshall PerezThis report is a direct reflection of your hard work, and we look forward to your continuing contributions to the safety of off shore community.

01:26:41 - 01:26:45Marshall PerezAlright, we will now move into the new business part of our agenda.

01:26:45 - 01:26:55Marshall PerezThe next item on the agenda is a presentation from our Vice Chair mister Lincoln Stroh on Source Control Response Centers in an incident command.

01:26:56 - 01:26:57Marshall PerezMister Distro, you have the floor.


01:26:59 - 01:27:02Marshall PerezI appreciate the back, and you bring up the slide.

01:27:06 - 01:27:07Marshall PerezHe's bringing them up now.

01:27:08 - 01:27:08Marshall PerezAll right.

01:27:08 - 01:27:15Marshall PerezIf you can let me know when they're up, I'm calling in, so, I'll be telling you when to change the slide.

01:27:22 - 01:27:23Marshall PerezThat let us know when you're ready.

01:27:23 - 01:27:25Marshall PerezSee, changing through slides a little bit.

01:27:36 - 01:27:37[speaker unknown]Can you hear me well?

01:27:39 - 01:27:44Marshall PerezI hear you loud and clear, I'm not sure if Paps trying to confirm anything, if he's still muted.

01:27:44 - 01:27:45Stephanie KusinskiThis is Stephanie.

01:27:47 - 01:27:49Stephanie KusinskiShe just can't get off of unmute for some reason.

01:27:50 - 01:27:50Marshall PerezOk?

01:27:55 - 01:27:59Marshall PerezAll right, I'll go ahead and start, Hopefully can switch the slide, and we'll just continue on.

01:28:01 - 01:28:04[speaker unknown]Good day to everybody, this presentation.

01:28:05 - 01:28:07[speaker unknown]It's about Source Control Response Centers.

01:28:08 - 01:28:14[speaker unknown]It's aimed towards the Coast Guard and they're understanding what's going on in industry currently.

01:28:14 - 01:28:26[speaker unknown]

From the first slide, you can see where the incident commander is in the unified command, compared to two levels down worthey, source control branch period.

01:28:27 - 01:28:35[speaker unknown]In some ICS constructs, the source control is a section equivalent to the operations section.

01:28:36 - 01:28:41[speaker unknown]Be aware that that is occurring in exercises on the go.

01:28:42 - 01:28:44[speaker unknown]If we can go to slide number two.

01:28:47 - 01:28:48[speaker unknown]You can let me know if it comes up.

01:28:58 - 01:29:00[speaker unknown]Do we have to give him control?

01:29:01 - 01:29:02Stephanie KusinskiYeah, yeah.

01:29:03 - 01:29:03Stephanie KusinskiHe's ready.

01:29:05 - 01:29:07Stephanie KusinskiOk, are we on slide number two purpose of presentation?

01:29:10 - 01:29:11

Tom HoranI see it.

01:29:13 - 01:29:13[speaker unknown]Yes.

01:29:14 - 01:29:26[speaker unknown]All right, the purpose of this presentation is to remind the Coast Guard, the pressures on and the demands and expectations of the incident commander in the federal on scene commander during a significant well control response.

01:29:28 - 01:29:37[speaker unknown]The other part is to go over some of the conclusions and recommendations from three significant report that came out after the Deepwater Horizon incident.

01:29:37 - 01:29:42[speaker unknown]And many of those are still outstanding as far as conclusions and recommendations.

01:29:43 - 01:29:49[speaker unknown]Then, lastly, to offer, a way ahead to the Coast Guard base will allow for note that to get involved.

01:29:50 - 01:29:59[speaker unknown]As the commandant, Admiral James Loree wrote his book, Architecture, Leadership: Preparation equals Performance.

01:29:59 - 01:30:03[speaker unknown]And if you prepare better, you're going to perform better.

01:30:04 - 01:30:12[speaker unknown]

The book was written towards people, but I believe that it also applies to organization plans and facilities, mainly Source Control Response Centers.

01:30:13 - 01:30:19[speaker unknown]If we could go to slide number three, it's called pressure demands and Expectations.

01:30:21 - 01:30:22Stephanie KusinskiWhat's up?

01:30:23 - 01:30:24Stephanie KusinskiEnded up?

01:30:26 - 01:30:26Stephanie KusinskiYes.

01:30:28 - 01:30:28Stephanie KusinskiThank you.

01:30:29 - 01:30:44Stephanie KusinskiSlide, I highlighted a couple G this is from Admiral Allen who is the National Incident Commander during the Deepwater Horizon and he posted this on his Facebook page on the 10 year anniversary.

01:30:44 - 01:30:46Stephanie KusinskiSo this was just some recent posts.

01:30:47 - 01:30:50Stephanie KusinskiWhat you see is that humans are under tremendous pressure.

01:30:51 - 01:31:09Stephanie KusinskiAs mentioned, is one of the largest, I mean, one of them, uh, most cancers, 24 hour periods of his professional and personal career and down towards the bottom, it was one of the few times in my life, I had to scan contentious situation.

01:31:10 - 01:31:18Stephanie KusinskiWith cabinet officers, you'd get a lot of pressure from above and, and he worked through it.

01:31:19 - 01:31:25Stephanie KusinskiAs we all know, a significant oil spill brings with it, significant pressure, significant uncontrolled well.

01:31:25 - 01:31:31Stephanie KusinskiAnd it brings unprecedented pressure, as you're gonna see in the upcoming slides from the Deepwater Horizon.

01:31:31 - 01:31:33Stephanie KusinskiNext slide, please, so forth.

01:31:37 - 01:31:48[speaker unknown]This is a picture of Secretary Chu, Secretary Salazar, and then of course, there were scientists from the Sandia Lab, all at BP and they were providing government oversight.

01:31:49 - 01:31:57[speaker unknown]Coast Guard, government oversight at the BP facility, in ustad, ..., in a small staff, well, control center there.

01:31:58 - 01:32:08

[speaker unknown]Uh, the pressure went all the way to the White House, and the daily briefings, back to the White House, and to Congress.

01:32:09 - 01:32:11[speaker unknown]What was going on, was very significant.

01:32:11 - 01:32:12[speaker unknown]Let's go to the next slide, slide five.

01:32:15 - 01:32:19[speaker unknown]Pressure demand and expectations, from the federal on scene co-ordinator position.

01:32:19 - 01:32:30[speaker unknown]There were several Federal on scene co-ordinator, involved, with source control, then there was also Admiral Allen as the National Incident Commander above the Federal on Scene co-ordinator, course you can scan.

01:32:31 - 01:32:32[speaker unknown]It, was in charge of this director at the time.

01:32:33 - 01:32:43[speaker unknown]He was only three days, Vintner, Admiral Landry came in and was designed and she'd editor for 38 days, followed by ram a whopping 42 days.

01:32:44 - 01:32:50[speaker unknown]It ultimately, Rear Admirals Income, was in charge, and stayed the course for 158 days.

01:32:51 - 01:32:58[speaker unknown]

Is command and control expertise was valued, and that's why he ended up staying there, and running it for a long period of time.

01:33:00 - 01:33:02[speaker unknown]What's not, on the slide, several captains.

01:33:03 - 01:33:06[speaker unknown]They were acting as launching commanders at different locations around the globe.

01:33:07 - 01:33:11[speaker unknown]Them actually had to rotate out due to stress and health reasons.

01:33:12 - 01:33:15[speaker unknown]From the pressure of this bill, a lot of pressure on leadership.

01:33:16 - 01:33:20[speaker unknown]What's going on and I'm trying to tie it all back to what's going on in source control.

01:33:22 - 01:33:23[speaker unknown]Slide number six, please.

01:33:25 - 01:33:26[speaker unknown]It's a picture.

01:33:29 - 01:33:29[speaker unknown]Preventer.

01:33:31 - 01:33:35[speaker unknown]

So, from here, you can look at several different comments of the oversight.

01:33:36 - 01:33:38[speaker unknown]First paragraph about the ...

01:33:38 - 01:33:40[speaker unknown]Are there as well.

01:33:41 - 01:33:47[speaker unknown]Uh, then the second paragraph talks about ramapo being there.

01:33:49 - 01:33:56[speaker unknown]And then just the overall feeding the beast backup to Washington, DC.

01:33:57 - 01:34:02[speaker unknown]And then all the number of people that were in BP trying to get involved with bill.

01:34:03 - 01:34:04[speaker unknown]Bill Guru.

01:34:04 - 01:34:05[speaker unknown]Oversight Group.

01:34:06 - 01:34:07[speaker unknown]Slide number seven, please.

01:34:15 - 01:34:23[speaker unknown]10 years later, there has been improvement and what occurred we learned a lot

from Deepwater Horizon, there's been improvements in the response organization.

01:34:23 - 01:34:37[speaker unknown]We saw that in the ICO, branch is being created, the Source Control Support co-ordinator, that in the Unified Command is also an Improvement and Improvement in source control equipment and ready.

01:34:38 - 01:34:46[speaker unknown]The Consortium has been established where equipment is on the ready to be deployed, capping Stack Blowout preventers and other equipment.

01:34:47 - 01:34:55[speaker unknown]There's been improvements in technology, meaning software and what can be used to figure out what's going on in that?

01:34:55 - 01:34:57[speaker unknown]Well, you know, to cap it and stop it.

01:34:58 - 01:35:00[speaker unknown]Also, what's going on?

01:35:00 - 01:35:07[speaker unknown]And this is what I'm concerned the Coast Guard not aware of, especially future incident commanders that don't know they're going to rely on this is companies and consortia.

01:35:07 - 01:35:11[speaker unknown]Are jockeying to create and use their source control, response centers.

01:35:13 - 01:35:17[speaker unknown]

And then there's recommendations from the past and that's what I'd like to go over next.

01:35:18 - 01:35:19[speaker unknown]Go to slide number eight.

01:35:19 - 01:35:21[speaker unknown]Recommendations relevant today.

01:35:23 - 01:35:42[speaker unknown]I looked at three different report, has mentioned up an earlier slide, the iceberg, the Deep Water Commission Commission Report, the Postcard Report, and from the users in the outstanding recommendations that we could consider today.

01:35:43 - 01:35:57[speaker unknown]The Commission Report says we need to maintain expertise in the federal government doing it, but it also includes, within the Coast Guard, my concern is, in the last 10 years, a lot of that expertise is rotated and retired.

01:36:00 - 01:36:11[speaker unknown]Commission Report also wants better technologies and methods needed to gather accurate information in the event of an accident, And that's really talking about the software people can use, or companies have.

01:36:11 - 01:36:12[speaker unknown]It can be used.

01:36:12 - 01:36:14[speaker unknown]And it's not all available.

01:36:14 - 01:36:18

[speaker unknown]Really depends on what company you're going, where, what Consorted with.

01:36:19 - 01:36:21[speaker unknown]We'll talk more about that later.

01:36:21 - 01:36:24[speaker unknown]And lastly, regarding source control technologies.

01:36:25 - 01:36:33[speaker unknown]They believe that containment effort would have benefited from prior preparation and contingency planning with those technologies.

01:36:34 - 01:36:35[speaker unknown]Got worse before.

01:36:36 - 01:36:36[speaker unknown]Birth.

01:36:37 - 01:36:45[speaker unknown]One point, I really want to make sure the Coast Guard should develop more comprehensive guidance for location, function and effectiveness of the branches.

01:36:46 - 01:36:49[speaker unknown]I believe that it applies to the source control branch today.

01:36:52 - 01:36:52[speaker unknown]Irena.

01:36:53 - 01:36:57[speaker unknown]We also got to figure out where we want to put this branch section or work unit.

01:36:58 - 01:37:16[speaker unknown]Depending on the size and complexity, the group should be established at the incident commander, the unified area, or the National Entity Command level as appropriate in the Deepwater Horizon source code Control workgroup at the National Incident Command.

01:37:17 - 01:37:18[speaker unknown]Well you're up in DC.

01:37:19 - 01:37:23[speaker unknown]Being minimal with what was going on at the BP facility down here in Houston.

01:37:24 - 01:37:27[speaker unknown]So, let's go on to see what's in place today.

01:37:28 - 01:37:28[speaker unknown]Number nine.

01:37:31 - 01:37:32[speaker unknown]Incident Command System.

01:37:33 - 01:37:35[speaker unknown]And some of the improvements to that system.

01:37:36 - 01:37:43[speaker unknown]

We have a flow modeling group, it's within the Source Control Branch Directory branch.

01:37:43 - 01:37:48[speaker unknown]And it's one of the three sub branches within there.

01:37:48 - 01:37:51[speaker unknown]The internet today is called the Flow Modeling Group.

01:37:53 - 01:37:59[speaker unknown]Back during Deepwater Horizon it was called the Flow Rate Technical Group Ethnic Nationalism Command.

01:38:00 - 01:38:06[speaker unknown]Today the default on the location of this branch is the Group and Source Control branch.

01:38:06 - 01:38:10[speaker unknown]Location is typically at the responsible parties, Volition.

01:38:11 - 01:38:15[speaker unknown]Most of all, I agree with you, not with the incident commander or the app section.

01:38:16 - 01:38:17[speaker unknown]It's usually ops epic.

01:38:17 - 01:38:19[speaker unknown]Some companies have it in their own facility.

01:38:20 - 01:38:29[speaker unknown]Their own offices, searches B.e.p.s., there was a blow out in 20 13 where the source control was in the offices.

01:38:29 - 01:38:32[speaker unknown]And this is a very small operator that didn't have very big offices.

01:38:33 - 01:38:40[speaker unknown]May not have had the software or the structure or the personnel to properly handle that adequate.

01:38:40 - 01:38:42[speaker unknown]Blowout had gotten bad.

01:38:42 - 01:38:45[speaker unknown]Let's go to slide number 10.

01:38:47 - 01:38:52[speaker unknown]What's available today are some of the things that are available today, 10 years later?

01:38:53 - 01:38:54[speaker unknown]You got it?

01:38:55 - 01:38:56[speaker unknown]Incident command post checklist.

01:38:57 - 01:38:58[speaker unknown]

Sylvie needs assessment.

01:38:58 - 01:39:00[speaker unknown]The ICS did 34.

01:39:00 - 01:39:06[speaker unknown]Yup, FEMA, EOC assessment checklist gives you advise you on what should be in your emergency operations center.

01:39:07 - 01:39:15[speaker unknown]You have the best the source control job aids with five different positions and branch organization which has been developed and people are driving.

01:39:15 - 01:39:20[speaker unknown]It's good to provide the organization for ICI and Position.

01:39:21 - 01:39:23[speaker unknown]But we want to go beyond that.

01:39:23 - 01:39:24[speaker unknown]That's going to be my recommendation.

01:39:25 - 01:39:33[speaker unknown]What you see in that branch, as far as technology equipment, functionality, we have source control exercises.

01:39:33 - 01:39:34[speaker unknown]These days.

01:39:34 - 01:39:37[speaker unknown]We have companies and consortia offering.

01:39:37 - 01:39:44[speaker unknown]Source control location may not be the best one addresses, and we have operators wanting source control.

01:39:47 - 01:39:48[speaker unknown]Next slide, Slide 11.

01:39:49 - 01:39:50[speaker unknown]What's not available today?

01:39:53 - 01:39:59[speaker unknown]Comprehensive Guidance for Source Control, Branch, location, function, and effectiveness.

01:40:01 - 01:40:06[speaker unknown]Next is the National Incident Commander, the Commander of Familiarity with Current Technology.

01:40:06 - 01:40:09[speaker unknown]The capability of the Deepwater drilling industry.

01:40:09 - 01:40:13[speaker unknown]We don't know who the mic or at West, he's gonna be.

01:40:13 - 01:40:19[speaker unknown]

It all depends on location and size of the bill, and the well controlled it, are they prepared?

01:40:20 - 01:40:35[speaker unknown]Next, is guidance on required technologies, or metrics within the source control branch, different software, different expertise out there, are they going to be brought in, or they are part of the organization, of course, an updated incident management handbook.

01:40:36 - 01:40:40[speaker unknown]Let's go to slide number 12, Talks about location options.

01:40:43 - 01:40:50[speaker unknown]In my perspective, from my perspective, there are three different locations that could apply.

01:40:50 - 01:40:59[speaker unknown]You can have your source control branch with the incident commander incident command unit binary, or at the National Incident Command post.

01:41:00 - 01:41:08[speaker unknown]Depending on the really large event, you need that type of oversight.

01:41:10 - 01:41:14[speaker unknown]The next item, it could be fixed, and that's what somebody's source control.

01:41:15 - 01:41:25[speaker unknown]Response centers are hoping for, that you have a fixed location, typically separate of the incident command post incident commander, or you can set up the incident command, Both.

01:41:25 - 01:41:29[speaker unknown]Their location was bigger, they get up and look the alarms.

01:41:31 - 01:41:41[speaker unknown]Then perhaps even pre-approved and accredited or the worst case discharge, that could be one of the recommendations if we truly go with fixed location, which is what industry is moving toward.

01:41:42 - 01:41:46[speaker unknown]Lastly, given what's been going on, maybe they have to be virtual.

01:41:47 - 01:41:57[speaker unknown]There can always be an alternative if you if it's not a fixed location or not with the incident command post, depending on where the disability that.

01:41:57 - 01:42:01[speaker unknown]Those are three options, as I see it, slide 13.

01:42:04 - 01:42:05[speaker unknown]Let's put this loaded here.

01:42:07 - 01:42:09[speaker unknown]Talks about function affect unit and technology.

01:42:10 - 01:42:18[speaker unknown]Some of the things you'd want in your source control branch or your Internet response where you need agreements in, place that needs to be available.

01:42:19 - 01:42:26

[speaker unknown]Need the mobilization protocols, et cetera, quickly, or uses both security, control access, cybersecurity.

01:42:27 - 01:42:32[speaker unknown]We may want to be subject to audit by regulators and operators in the future.

01:42:32 - 01:42:39[speaker unknown]If we go with it, location, we may want to complete a certain number of drills per year.

01:42:40 - 01:42:45[speaker unknown]So, these are just some ideas of what would constitute function effectiveness and technology.

01:42:45 - 01:42:46[speaker unknown]And, of course, you need the right software.

01:42:47 - 01:42:53[speaker unknown]Well controlled screening tool, Common operating picture, real-time monitoring.

01:42:53 - 01:42:58[speaker unknown]These are some of the technologies that are coming into play these days and need to be part of your source control center.

01:42:59 - 01:43:02[speaker unknown]All right, slide number 14.

01:43:02 - 01:43:04[speaker unknown]

What are some of the recommendations?

01:43:06 - 01:43:11[speaker unknown]You know, I truly believe by strengthening the source control branch requirements to ensure maximum effectiveness.

01:43:12 - 01:43:20[speaker unknown]This will help Incident Commander in the Federal on Scene commander, and the overall response goes back to preparation equals performance.

01:43:21 - 01:43:29[speaker unknown]So some recommendation would be for the Coast Guard to give no statement, asking industry to develop this guidance.

01:43:30 - 01:43:31[speaker unknown]What would be good locations?

01:43:32 - 01:43:37[speaker unknown]What would be minimum function that the source control respond pinner can do?

01:43:37 - 01:43:45[speaker unknown]And some measures of effectiveness the response center can do through audits or through your drill.

01:43:46 - 01:43:53[speaker unknown]Eventually, industry developed this been betting that goes gard would accept it and publish the guide.

01:43:54 - 01:44:00[speaker unknown]And perhaps someday move toward an approved source control branch location in

your oil spill response plan.

01:44:01 - 01:44:03[speaker unknown]So that concludes my presentation.

01:44:03 - 01:44:05[speaker unknown]I'm open to any questions.

01:44:05 - 01:44:13[speaker unknown]I ask that question to be given now, and not later, because I may have to sign out from this meeting early.

01:44:14 - 01:44:15Marshall PerezUnderstood.

01:44:15 - 01:44:16Marshall PerezThank you, Lincoln.

01:44:17 - 01:44:19Marshall PerezAppreciate the presentation and information.

01:44:20 - 01:44:22Marshall PerezAre there any questions from the Committee?

01:44:29 - 01:44:32Marshall PerezOk, so so I'll ask one real quick ligand.

01:44:32 - 01:44:36Marshall Perez

Do you see this in the in the coming year?

01:44:37 - 01:44:44Marshall PerezThis may need to be a test statement we could ask the US Coast Guard for In the future?

01:44:44 - 01:44:47Marshall PerezOnce we understand what's the statutory nosek committee, who stood up?


01:44:49 - 01:44:53Marshall PerezYeah, it would be a recommendation for the new statutory.

01:44:53 - 01:44:58Marshall PerezI mean, for the Coast Guard to give to the statutory committee, OK.

01:45:00 - 01:45:04Marshall PerezAgain, any comments from, uh, the Committee questions?

01:45:07 - 01:45:13Marshall PerezOk, hearing none, the general public, Are there any questions from the public on this presentation?

01:45:20 - 01:45:23Marshall PerezOk, thank you again.

01:45:23 - 01:45:25

Marshall PerezHearing none, we'll move to the next part of our agenda.

01:45:26 - 01:45:30Marshall PerezOur next item is a presentation from Lieutenant Commander vendor Kroll.

01:45:31 - 01:45:35Marshall PerezOn the Coast Guard's investigation into the Show Augur Lifeboat incident.

01:45:36 - 01:45:36Tom HoranExcuse.

01:45:36 - 01:45:36Marshall PerezMe.

01:45:37 - 01:45:37Tom HoranNow.

01:45:38 - 01:45:39Marshall PerezYes.

01:45:40 - 01:45:42Tom HoranIt's possible, we can get to take Firebreak.

01:45:43 - 01:45:48Marshall PerezYes, I agree, starting to move forward too fast.

01:45:48 - 01:45:54Marshall Perez

So, let's take five minutes and then we'll resume with the Show Augur Lifeboat Incident presentation.

01:46:11 - 01:46:13Pat ClarkCommander vendor, crozier firm.

01:46:13 - 01:46:16Pat ClarkI have your presentation up and it's showing properly.

01:47:54 - 01:47:55LCDR Geralyn van de Krol, USCGThis isn't anything.

01:48:23 - 01:48:24Pat ClarkWas that you, Ma'am?

01:48:28 - 01:48:34LCDR Geralyn van de Krol, USCGI'm also logged onto my, Is it possible that I could do it?

01:48:34 - 01:48:40LCDR Geralyn van de Krol, USCGSomebody can unmute the phone and I can use the phone to speak the.

01:48:43 - 01:48:44Pat ClarkChecklist step.

01:48:44 - 01:48:47Pat ClarkYou want to go to your?

01:48:47 - 01:48:48Pat Clark

Yes.

01:48:56 - 01:49:00Pat ClarkOk, let me text her and we'll get that Taken care.

01:49:00 - 01:49:01LCDR Geralyn van de Krol, USCGThank you.

01:49:02 - 01:49:04Stephanie KusinskiSo, you see, you're not, you're on your phone as well.

01:49:06 - 01:49:07LCDR Geralyn van de Krol, USCGYes.

01:49:07 - 01:49:09Stephanie KusinskiOk, oh!

01:49:12 - 01:49:13Stephanie KusinskiLet's see.

01:49:16 - 01:49:18Stephanie KusinskiLet me see if I am the correct person.

01:49:33 - 01:49:39Marshall PerezSo, if you turn your speaker, and your mic off on your computer should work, on your phone, or vice versa.

01:49:41 - 01:49:41LCDR Geralyn van de Krol, USCG

Yes.


01:50:35 - 01:50:37Pat ClarkCommander, did you get it all worked out for yourself, ma'am?



01:51:09 - 01:51:11[speaker unknown]Each.

01:51:46 - 01:51:49Marshall PerezEverybody's backspin, 5, 6 minutes, uh.

01:51:53 - 01:51:58Marshall PerezWell, to command a vendor call, because you just do a test to make sure we've got our technical issue resolved.

01:52:09 - 01:52:10Marshall PerezHeard something, but I didn't hear speak.

01:52:16 - 01:52:16Marshall Perez

Ma'am.

01:52:21 - 01:52:22Marshall PerezPat, can you hear me?

01:52:27 - 01:52:28Stephanie KusinskiI can hear you can.

01:52:28 - 01:52:29Holly HopkinsBe heard.

01:52:30 - 01:52:30Marshall PerezOk.

01:52:34 - 01:52:38Marshall PerezSenate, committee the vendor, crop, you are up and running.

01:52:38 - 01:52:39Marshall PerezAnd you're just testing it.

01:52:51 - 01:52:51[speaker unknown]Oh.

01:53:02 - 01:53:02[speaker unknown]Yeah.

01:53:15 - 01:53:16Marshall Perez

I'm gonna go back the other way.

01:53:28 - 01:53:31[speaker unknown]Hmm, Good afternoon.

01:53:31 - 01:53:35Harley BatesVan across, can I just do an audio check before we get started to make sure that.

01:53:36 - 01:53:36Pat ClarkOne can hear?

01:53:38 - 01:53:39Marshall PerezI hear you loud and clear is Marshall?

01:53:40 - 01:53:42Marshall PerezOk, excellent, Thank you so much and then and then.

01:53:43 - 01:53:51Pat ClarkBecause all I can see my own computer screen, and you can also see my Presentation now, Is that true?

01:53:52 - 01:53:55Marshall PerezYes, we have the presentation up and you're sending a lot better than earlier.

01:53:55 - 01:53:56Marshall PerezSo it's doing good.

01:53:57 - 01:53:57Pat Clark

Ok, great.

01:53:57 - 01:54:04Pat ClarkWhatever I, whatever I fix or change is that would help us know, OK, I'm gonna put myself on.

01:54:04 - 01:54:05Marshall PerezMute, and then when we get started up again.

01:54:06 - 01:54:08Marshall PerezWe're gonna start right now.

01:54:10 - 01:54:14Marshall PerezOk, I'm just gonna reconvene the meeting in.

01:54:15 - 01:54:24Marshall PerezOur next presentation is from Lieutenant Commander vendor crawl on the Coast Guard's investigations to show our life, but it's it lets Senate Commander.

01:54:24 - 01:54:25Marshall PerezThe floor is yours.

01:54:25 - 01:54:25Marshall PerezGood Afternoon.

01:54:26 - 01:54:29Marshall PerezMy name is Lieutenant Commander Jeroen van der ....

01:54:29 - 01:54:32

Marshall PerezI'm with the United States Coast Guard, also presenting.

01:54:32 - 01:54:33Marshall PerezWith me.

01:54:33 - 01:54:35Marshall PerezToday is mister Harley Bates.

01:54:37 - 01:54:50Marshall PerezRetired Coast Guard Warrant Officer who now works with the OCS National Center of Expertise as well, mister Gene sites, also a retirement Warrant Officer, also at the OCS.

01:54:50 - 01:54:56Marshall PerezAnd I'm sure that most of you, that the person is on the line, are familiar with both of those, gentlemen.

01:54:57 - 01:54:59Marshall PerezI'm going to talk very quick before we get started.

01:54:59 - 01:55:04Marshall PerezThere's a slight change in what we're going to be discussing discussing today.

01:55:04 - 01:55:13Marshall PerezSo, the investigation is going right now through a series of reviews by our, our senior leadership.

01:55:13 - 01:55:25Marshall PerezIn a stage right now, where we had several discussions again with our different

offices, which manage these types of investigations and disappear with it.

01:55:25 - 01:55:27Marshall PerezIf not, at a stage yet, where they want to be.

01:55:27 - 01:55:30Marshall PerezDiscussing some of the recommendations and some of the findings.

01:55:30 - 01:55:42Marshall PerezSo, what we decided to do, I'm still wanting to offer you something of value, that they're, kinda kinda narrow the discussion a little bit today and focus on the US.

01:55:42 - 01:55:44Marshall PerezCoast Guard Safety Alert 0 3.

01:55:44 - 01:55:57Marshall PerezTack 20 talked about Lifeboat cables it, It, this investor at this presentation, did stem, out of an investigation.

01:55:59 - 01:56:08[speaker unknown]Policy says, I'm not supposed to specify exactly what investigation right, that this, that the safety alert came from.

01:56:09 - 01:56:11[speaker unknown]So, I'll just I'll just kind of leave it there.

01:56:12 - 01:56:17[speaker unknown]I'm going to invite you to ask as many questions as you'd like, again, about this presentation today.

01:56:17 - 01:56:23[speaker unknown]However, we're not going to be talking or answering any questions specific to the Auger.

01:56:25 - 01:56:41[speaker unknown]So the next slide, and talk, again, just a little bit about our agenda, and do a very quick introduction about ourselves, about the presenters, talk about the Safety Alert 031020, and where you can find it, if you haven't seen it yet.

01:56:42 - 01:57:04[speaker unknown]Generally go over the release mechanism and control cable that were implicated in the safety alert as well is in the subject investigation, the effects of compromised control because that really what was at the heart of this safety alert was the impact that compromised control cables can have on the release them.

01:57:04 - 01:57:16[speaker unknown]And a recommendation that stemmed from the safety alert and then finally to ask to entertain any questions from the committee or from the public.

01:57:17 - 01:57:28[speaker unknown]And for persons who don't have the presentation up, I would really encourage you to go to the home site and try to download the site.

01:57:29 - 01:57:40[speaker unknown]I want to give credit, mister Hardly Bates, who really created an amazing, amazing graphics and cut some amazing videos.

01:57:40 - 01:57:49[speaker unknown]And that's really kind of the heart of this presentation, is what we consider to be somewhat kind of like a complex, but an unusual theory.

01:57:50 - 01:57:57[speaker unknown]That really requires, I think, a visualization of these, of these different ideas.

01:57:58 - 01:58:09[speaker unknown]And that was, it goes to hope today was that, as we were visualized, somebody's theories about the compromise control cables at night, lead to greater understanding.

01:58:10 - 01:58:13[speaker unknown]And most of that, the credit, again, is going to go to that, mister Hartley's.

01:58:15 - 01:58:16[speaker unknown]Introductions.

01:58:16 - 01:58:18[speaker unknown]My name is Jacqueline Van de ...

01:58:18 - 01:58:22[speaker unknown]From 2017 to 2020.

01:58:22 - 01:58:29[speaker unknown]I served as the legal advisor at the Investigations National Center of expertise in New Orleans.

01:58:29 - 01:58:40[speaker unknown]So in that role I advertize on legal issues related to large, as well as small marine, casualties, and other litigation.

01:58:41 - 01:58:52

[speaker unknown]And I'm also a Marine casualty investigator so I have all my Marine Casualties Investigator qualifications, and so was able to kind of assist on on that transferred.

01:58:53 - 01:58:56[speaker unknown]The summer I transferred to to Cleveland.

01:58:56 - 01:58:58[speaker unknown]So that's where I'm currently calling from.

01:58:58 - 01:59:00[speaker unknown]Mister Bates, are you on the line?

01:59:05 - 01:59:08Harley BatesA very short presentation if he isn't, OK, Great.

01:59:11 - 01:59:12[speaker unknown]Can you provide a little bit?

01:59:12 - 01:59:17[speaker unknown]Just a very quick introduction of yourself And your background and then I'll let mister Sykes do the same.

01:59:19 - 01:59:24Harley BatesOk, Harley Bates, retired officer.

01:59:25 - 01:59:31Harley BatesThe first out 12 or so years of my career.

01:59:31 - 01:59:38Harley BatesOur machinery technician folks and now all things mechanical for Coastguard Cutters.

01:59:38 - 01:59:39Harley BatesAnd boats.

01:59:39 - 01:59:59Harley BatesThe last half, my career after I made more than our share Marine safety specialist engineer and the majority of that focused and on outer continental shelf activities and some new construction on vessels that support those types of activities are retired.

02:00:00 - 02:00:10Harley BatesJust shy of 24 years and I've been working for the OCS National Center of expertise for a tad over five years now as a civilian.

02:00:16 - 02:00:19[speaker unknown]Mister Sykes, were you able to get your audio working?

02:00:22 - 02:00:22[speaker unknown]Can you?


02:00:24 - 02:00:31[speaker unknown]Yes, Can you, can you give a quick introduction to who you are and, and your background?

02:00:33 - 02:00:35[speaker unknown]Pretty much almost identical to Harley, and a lot of.

02:00:38 - 02:00:42[speaker unknown]Time with the Coast Guard, as a technician lateral over to the one altering.

02:00:44 - 02:00:47[speaker unknown]I'm still pretty much the folks on the OCA.

02:00:49 - 02:00:52[speaker unknown]I did 23 years retired a year run.

02:00:52 - 02:00:58[speaker unknown]It is Morgan City, and then I moved over.

02:00:58 - 02:01:02[speaker unknown]We just about five years.

02:01:04 - 02:01:06[speaker unknown]Thank you.

02:01:09 - 02:01:18[speaker unknown]Ok, so, I'm going to talk a little bit now, and I'm on the third slide, which is labeled as Safety alert, 0, 320.

02:01:18 - 02:01:24[speaker unknown]And what this is, is there's three places where you're going to be able to access the

Safety Alert.

02:01:25 - 02:01:25[speaker unknown]Book.

02:01:26 - 02:01:30[speaker unknown]Was published back in February of 2020 on the Maritime common.

02:01:30 - 02:01:43[speaker unknown]It's also directly available at the Coast Guard site and posted on the Coast Guard investigation a website and there should be linked to if you have the PowerPoint.

02:01:43 - 02:01:45[speaker unknown]The actresses Embedded link.

02:01:45 - 02:01:54[speaker unknown]If not, you can simply Google check your lifeboat cable, or Safety Electric 0 3 pack 20, and it it should readily come up.

02:01:55 - 02:01:58[speaker unknown]What is a safety alert for that?

02:01:58 - 02:02:04[speaker unknown]If you don't know, the purpose of the Coast Guard Safety Alert is for the rapid dissemination of information to the public, about conditions.

02:02:04 - 02:02:12[speaker unknown]And, it's left unaddressed because urgent threats to the safety of life at sea and or severe material damage.

02:02:12 - 02:02:19[speaker unknown]So, they don't require an investigation to be complete or closed prior to being drafted to invest.

02:02:20 - 02:02:32[speaker unknown]This safety alert that we issued, as noted within the Safety Alert was the result of an investigation that was conducted related to a film lifeboat, or, excuse me, to an accident.

02:02:36 - 02:02:38[speaker unknown]Generally, just a little bit of background.

02:02:38 - 02:02:38[speaker unknown]Again.

02:02:38 - 02:02:45[speaker unknown]We're not talking specifically about the, about the subject of the accident.

02:02:45 - 02:02:52[speaker unknown]Just talking a little bit about how we got to the, how we got to the safety alert.

02:02:52 - 02:03:09[speaker unknown]So, that, initially, after the accident happened and the Coast Guard, as well as the Coast Guard partner, and started developing some theories about what potential causes of the accident were.

02:03:10 - 02:03:30[speaker unknown]Let's quickly noted in the group that there were some cable and cable damage, and it was here that these cables may have been a cause of the or one of the causes of the

accident.

02:03:30 - 02:03:39[speaker unknown]There were some testing, and that was conducted on site with all of the actual like subject part.

02:03:39 - 02:03:42[speaker unknown]And then we also had lab testing conducted.

02:03:42 - 02:03:52[speaker unknown]So all of the component parts were sent to a private labs where additional testing was conducted based out of this.

02:03:52 - 02:03:56[speaker unknown]And again, mister Bates is going to talk a little bit more specifically about like the theories.

02:03:56 - 02:03:59[speaker unknown]I'm just telling you a little bit about kind of how this process occurs.

02:04:02 - 02:04:11[speaker unknown]So again, on site, the team kind of collectively came up series series were further explored at a private laboratory where there was some forensic testing that was conducted.

02:04:12 - 02:04:25[speaker unknown]And then the Coast Guard in January of 2020, and found a, similarly, the same type model lifeboat with similar and made sure that there were similar components installed.

02:04:25 - 02:04:31

[speaker unknown]Hopefully somewhat similar age, and then we tested our theories out there.

02:04:32 - 02:04:33[speaker unknown]We're going through this presentation.

02:04:33 - 02:04:43[speaker unknown]You're gonna see some embedded videos, so the first video that you're going to see, again, mister Bates is going to talk a little bit about, that, was done at the end.

02:04:45 - 02:04:55[speaker unknown]With one of our, we're kinda, originally, sort of developing these theories, the second and third videos are from when the Coast Guard.

02:04:57 - 02:05:06[speaker unknown]Sort of sat to test our theories out, on, on the same model, lifeboat, as well as same model components.

02:05:07 - 02:05:12[speaker unknown]A little bit of background context for what you're going to be, for what you're going to be seeing.

02:05:13 - 02:05:22[speaker unknown]And I'm just going to give you sort of the bottom line, recognizing that not everybody has seen the, the safety alert.

02:05:23 - 02:05:30[speaker unknown]So I'm gonna give you a very quick background and sort of the block and the bottom line upfront of the Safety Alert.

02:05:30 - 02:05:41

[speaker unknown]And then again, let mister Bates kind of walk you through, step by step, and really dig into some of the data and dig into some of the testing that was conducted.

02:05:41 - 02:05:48[speaker unknown]That really is, the, is, the, is the foundation for this safety alert.

02:05:49 - 02:05:55[speaker unknown]So the Safety Alert really focused on the importance of checking for and replacing damaged control cables.

02:05:57 - 02:06:12[speaker unknown]After the Coast Guard observed, that if a control cable is damaged all the way through the outer layers, so recognizing that somebody's control cables are multiple layers, that the traveling inner member can be exposed.

02:06:12 - 02:06:19[speaker unknown]And at forces applied directly to the separated outer layers can cause the traveling and inner member to pull each.

02:06:20 - 02:06:20[speaker unknown]Of its.

02:06:20 - 02:06:31[speaker unknown]As a separate our outer layers pull apart the cables and Rod hook can move, which can in turn rotate the locking shaft inside the hook.

02:06:32 - 02:06:40[speaker unknown]Locking shaft rotates enough the hook can release even without an operator release handle or overriding the interlock.

02:06:41 - 02:06:52[speaker unknown]So the Coast Guard at that time and still at this time has no indication that the control damage control cable alone can cause a hook to release or open code.

02:06:52 - 02:07:12[speaker unknown]However, the Coast Guard believe then, are, we believe in February, and we still believe now that a damage control cable poses a significant safety risks and should be replaced before attempting to launch a boat that incorporates control, cables into the onload release capability of a hook release system, and, again, just reading that, I understand, it's probably not going out.

02:07:14 - 02:07:15[speaker unknown]Can mean a lot.

02:07:15 - 02:07:25[speaker unknown]But I'm hoping that it just provides a little bit of context, And that, by the end of this presentation, you'll have a good understanding of what we're trying to communicate.

02:07:25 - 02:07:30[speaker unknown]So, Harley right now, I'm on Slide four, which is talking about the Release Mechanism and control cables.

02:07:30 - 02:07:36[speaker unknown]And I'm gonna pass it off to you and Jean, who are truly the subject matter experts on this issue.

02:07:39 - 02:07:44Harley BatesAll right, thank you, ma'am, and if you don't mind, I'll let y'all drive on a slide.

02:07:44 - 02:07:47Harley BatesI'll just say one next slide, because I live in a rural area.

02:07:47 - 02:07:51Harley BatesAnd my Internet is not very speedy.

02:07:56 - 02:08:04Harley BatesMister Marshall, If if anybody at anytime, kinda hear you, if I cut out, sound was, Speak up.

02:08:04 - 02:08:08Harley BatesSo, I'll, I'll pause and make sure, and I've got the phone over here as a backup.

02:08:08 - 02:08:11Harley BatesIn case the computer stuff doesn't work real well.

02:08:12 - 02:08:15Marshall PerezNot a problem, Harley will do, and clinical people comment.

02:08:15 - 02:08:20Marshall PerezThere's still some static, but y'all still coming in loud and clear for us to keep moving forward.

02:08:23 - 02:08:26Harley BatesAll right, let's click to Slide five.

02:08:30 - 02:08:32[speaker unknown]

Just to clarify, that is the release mechanism and control cable slide.

02:08:32 - 02:08:33Harley BatesYes, ma'am.

02:08:35 - 02:08:52Harley BatesSo, so these are, these are this section here, we're just going to really discuss a typical dual fall, lifeboat arrangement, how the release mechanism set up, as well as cable construction, because these will feed later into the presentation.

02:08:52 - 02:09:04Harley BatesThe background image you see here, is the cable that we tested during our January tested commander referenced.

02:09:04 - 02:09:24Harley BatesAnd, It's, It's very interesting, that, we're gonna kinda take in, and go through this, in a series of videos, and graphics, to kinda walk people through it, Because we've had, we've, When we were looking at this, in the end, the theory was initially brought up.

02:09:24 - 02:09:33Harley BatesAnd it kind of changed a little bit on, on, what actually went on, or what we suspected, all the parties that were involved in.

02:09:34 - 02:09:35Harley BatesAnd looking at it.

02:09:36 - 02:09:42Harley BatesWhen we, when we explained it to some people, until they actually seen it happen, they're like, that can't happen.

02:09:43 - 02:09:50

Harley BatesAnd then there was, there was one person that we actually showed it to, and it was still like that can't happen.

02:09:50 - 02:09:58Harley BatesSo as we walk through, this is gonna be kinda methodical, so that that we can make sure we know a lot of people are visual learners.

02:09:58 - 02:10:01Harley BatesSo, so, hopefully, that'll, that'll help out.

02:10:02 - 02:10:05Harley BatesSo, let's click to the next slide, ma'am.

02:10:08 - 02:10:09[speaker unknown]I'm on the next slide.

02:10:09 - 02:10:19Harley BatesAll right, so a typical dual fall mechanism, or do fall release mechanism, and a lifeboat is ranked similar to what you see on the screen.

02:10:19 - 02:10:21Harley BatesYou'll have to hooks forward and aft.

02:10:22 - 02:10:37Harley BatesSomewhere in-between those, But those hooks in the boat will be the release unit adjacent to the House Most of your boats That might be toward that after some boats, it may be forward some boats, And maybe Amidships.

02:10:38 - 02:10:50Harley Bates

Your typical on load arrangement has a hydra stat unit, which will then own load release, which is what these dual, most dual hooks are.

02:10:53 - 02:10:54Harley BatesWont to open under load.

02:10:55 - 02:11:06Harley BatesSo, when the weight, when the way that the boat is hanging on the hook, the lock and chef that the Commander mentioned a while ago will actually hold the hook in a closed position.

02:11:07 - 02:11:25Harley BatesThe hydrostatic is an additional safety that sends another signal through the through the hydrostatic Interlock Cable to the release unit that operates an interlock that prevents that the handle from move and when the Boat's not in water that's the theory.

02:11:26 - 02:11:28Harley BatesSo this is your typical arrangement.

02:11:28 - 02:11:33Harley BatesAnd that, so keep this in mind as we start moving through the presentation.

02:11:34 - 02:11:44Harley BatesThere are dual fall arrangements that have a load over center type of hook, which are often referenced as an offload hooks.

02:11:44 - 02:11:54Harley BatesAnd just to clarify, all hooks and an approved system have to be capable of bull capable of both on and off load releases.

02:11:54 - 02:11:58Harley BatesIt's just we tend to categorize them by the way they function.

02:11:59 - 02:12:12Harley BatesSo I just want to clarify that as as well, but there are dual fall units that do are awesome load or load over center types are offloaded, OK?

02:12:13 - 02:12:14Harley BatesAll right, Next slide.

02:12:19 - 02:12:20[speaker unknown]I'm going to control cables.

02:12:20 - 02:12:21Harley BatesAll right.

02:12:21 - 02:12:22Harley BatesI've got it.

02:12:22 - 02:12:25Harley BatesI've actually got two computers going here so I can see what's going on.

02:12:25 - 02:12:29Harley BatesOne, and I've got presentations, I've got all my notes here as well.

02:12:30 - 02:12:33Harley BatesAnd, and just so, just to create or re-iterate.

02:12:33 - 02:12:38Harley BatesBut she said a while ago, that the presentations are on the ...

02:12:38 - 02:12:40Harley BatesWebsite for download.

02:12:41 - 02:12:43Harley BatesAll of the videos are embedded.

02:12:44 - 02:12:55Harley BatesWe were kinda taking, this is also a training approach, so that folks can download this, provided to their marine personnel, their their life boat cruise.

02:12:55 - 02:12:59Harley BatesTheir service providers are service providers, could use, and everything's embedded.

02:12:59 - 02:13:04Harley BatesIt's a fairly large file, 30 megabytes with the for embedded videos.

02:13:05 - 02:13:12Harley BatesBut it's kind of as a standalone deal so that somebody can walk through and see all the notes and, and kind of base self-sustaining.

02:13:13 - 02:13:15Harley BatesThe individual videos are there.

02:13:15 - 02:13:23Harley BatesWe're not sure how they're gonna play over stream and so if you need to see him,

there are also posted individually on the home for site.


02:13:24 - 02:13:35Harley BatesSo on the control cable, this is Most people are familiar with brand names, you know, a big one that comes to mind is Teleflex.

02:13:35 - 02:13:42Harley BatesAnd now the ones Cable craft, there's there's multiple manufacturers of these, but they all operate similar.

02:13:43 - 02:13:51Harley BatesSo you will have the outer conduit, which will have some type of reinforcement materials and, and protective layers.

02:13:51 - 02:13:53Harley BatesAnd then you'll have the inner members.

02:13:53 - 02:13:59Harley BatesYou have your N rides and that you'll hear me refer to probably at some point in the presentation.

02:13:59 - 02:14:04Harley BatesThe Bolt hit the bulkhead nuts or the bulkhead connectors on this screen.

02:14:04 - 02:14:10Harley BatesThat's where you're going to see the threaded conduit cap with those two nuts that

will lock on to a fixed point.

02:14:12 - 02:14:20Harley BatesAnd in this, and in this application of lifeboat hooks, the the nuts bulkhead.

02:14:20 - 02:14:27Harley BatesNow, it shall be at a fixed point on the hook and another fix point, on the release unit.

02:14:30 - 02:14:33Harley BatesThen there's a cutaway at the bottom that just shows with it.

02:14:33 - 02:14:41Harley BatesBut the cables that we were test and how they were put together the various components that make up the cable itself.

02:14:41 - 02:14:42Harley BatesOr the conduit the inner member.

02:14:42 - 02:14:42Harley BatesAlright.

02:14:45 - 02:14:46Harley BatesLet's click on the slide eight.

02:14:50 - 02:14:54Harley BatesThis is just, everybody's familiar, should be familiar with, with a view similar to this.

02:14:54 - 02:14:59

Harley BatesThis is just showing that the position indicator that's on the side of the hook.

02:15:01 - 02:15:07Harley BatesAnd there's this piece of tape on there, that document and things that we observed during our test.

02:15:12 - 02:15:16Harley BatesGas s-com, a staff writer on this, and I'll talk about some more about the test, and it a little bit.

02:15:16 - 02:15:20Harley BatesLet's go to the next slide, which is going to be the first video.

02:15:21 - 02:15:47Harley BatesAnd as we attempt to play this, this is going to be an overview of what what, what do you, what can happen if a conduit separates and if you if you, if you remember on the slide that we just looked at with that, the components the conduit itself is going to be the outer layers that is not intended to move.

02:15:48 - 02:15:50Harley BatesSo let us attempt to play this.

02:16:06 - 02:16:06[speaker unknown]So I just played the video.

02:16:06 - 02:16:08[speaker unknown]Did you want me to play it again?

02:16:08 - 02:16:09Harley Bates

Yes, ma'am.

02:16:09 - 02:16:10Harley BatesLet's play it again.

02:16:10 - 02:16:12Harley BatesAnd this time, I'll talk through a little bit of it.

02:16:13 - 02:16:14Harley BatesGoing back.

02:16:15 - 02:16:16Harley BatesActually play it better, not though.

02:16:22 - 02:16:33Harley BatesOk, grabbed the handle, make sure that the handles locked, and then you see him manually manipulate the conduit we in this test in the conduit had been cut.

02:16:34 - 02:16:43Harley BatesAnd it's just showing how little force it took for him to separate the conduit which acts just as if somebody pulled the handle.

02:16:43 - 02:16:44Harley BatesBut you saw in the video.

02:16:44 - 02:16:48Harley BatesThat the handle itself was still in the closed and locked position.

02:16:48 - 02:16:49

Harley BatesSo what?

02:16:50 - 02:16:54Harley BatesThis, this really got us, thinking on what can happen.

02:16:56 - 02:17:01Harley BatesAnd, and this was kind of, one of the reasons we would put out the Safety Alert early in the process.

02:17:01 - 02:17:04Harley BatesThis is, hey, there are other things in, and.

02:17:06 - 02:17:29Harley BatesWhat kinda forces would need to be applied, You know, you could visualize somebody walking through a boat, and if your conduit wasn't bad enough shape, shape, and separated that, if it was accessible, somebody could step on it, snag on it, something in a boat could fall on it.

02:17:29 - 02:17:35Harley BatesAnything very little force was required to actually operate the lock and shaft in this condition.

02:17:36 - 02:17:45Harley BatesSo, again, this video, we're gonna walk through some more components as we go through, and kind of more explain it.

02:17:45 - 02:17:50Harley BatesBut the video shows that it's, it's a definite concern to us.

02:17:51 - 02:17:52

Harley BatesAll right, next slide, ma'am.


02:17:59 - 02:18:07Harley BatesThese graphics are just gonna scroll through, and uh, basically put it in a different format of what we just watched on the radio.

02:18:08 - 02:18:10Harley BatesThe clothes reset position.

02:18:12 - 02:18:17Harley BatesIs, is just that, that the release handle to the right, is in the closed and locked position.

02:18:18 - 02:18:24Harley BatesThe hook on the left, the lock and shaft is shown in the green and showing essentially fully locked.

02:18:26 - 02:18:38Harley BatesSo, as as a system to operate it, you just saw, if you look at the, the Release unit on this particular release gear, release mechanism.

02:18:39 - 02:18:41Harley BatesOn the release unit, there's there's two handles there.

02:18:41 - 02:18:44Harley Bates

You see the red handle and you see the yellow handle.

02:18:44 - 02:18:53Harley BatesThe yellow Handel is actually the hydrostatic interlock are that it it connects to the interlock and it doubles as a as an override teacher.

02:18:53 - 02:18:56Harley BatesThere's a, there's a breakaway glass.

02:18:56 - 02:18:59Harley BatesThis is a thin piece of plastic this over this handle.

02:18:59 - 02:19:08Harley BatesSo, when that, when the boat enters the water, that yellow yellow lever will move up and disengage from the safety.

02:19:08 - 02:19:11Harley BatesLatch, the safety lock is the actual red handle.

02:19:11 - 02:19:19Harley BatesAnd then, for the operator to open this hook, they have to lift the red handle which disengages the safety law.

02:19:19 - 02:19:23Harley BatesFrom the release handle, and then they can pull the release.

02:19:23 - 02:19:34Harley BatesAnd if they were to have to override the interlock for our hydrostatic Interlock, then they would have to almost have three hands.

02:19:34 - 02:19:46Harley BatesYou have to break the glass lift the yellow handle then lift the red handle kind of data with 1 1 hand and then you can operate that the release.

02:19:48 - 02:19:49Harley BatesUm, all right.

02:19:49 - 02:19:50Harley BatesLet's move to the next slide.

02:19:55 - 02:20:01Harley BatesSo in this one you can: you can kind of see what I just talked through on the release unit where the yellow handles lifted.

02:20:02 - 02:20:15Harley BatesThe safety lock is lifted, and the release handles pulled, and you can see, in the graphic to the hook on the left that the book is released and the position indicator on the lock and shaft is all the way to the open position.

02:20:17 - 02:20:18Harley BatesNext slide.


02:20:21 - 02:20:29Harley BatesSo now we're going to start introducing some problems with the cable conduit.

02:20:30 - 02:20:36

Harley BatesSo you can see we kind of have on the graphic that the conduit is separated.

02:20:38 - 02:20:42Harley BatesThe release mechanism still operates in this position.

02:20:42 - 02:20:46Harley BatesYou don't see it here on this graphic because it's a white background.

02:20:47 - 02:21:01Harley BatesBut, we're showing that your outer layers of the conduit, the that, in this case, the green and then, there would be some type of, usually, a steel type reinforcement under the S or compromise.

02:21:01 - 02:21:11Harley BatesBut, the liner itself that surrounds the inner membrane is still intact, the liner is actually going to help retain the integrity of the cable.

02:21:11 - 02:21:11Harley BatesI guess integrity?

02:21:11 - 02:21:14Harley BatesLeslie, let's use that loosely.

02:21:14 - 02:21:15Harley BatesBut, it.

02:21:18 - 02:21:22Harley BatesThe physicians of the in Rod's everything will still function in this condition.



02:21:28 - 02:21:40Harley BatesSo, this is, this is what happens when the the liner breaks and there could be any number of reasons that a liner could break depending on the manufacturers cable.

02:21:40 - 02:21:47Harley BatesAnd, and, I just want to re-iterate here that are, testing was on a specific manufacturers cable.

02:21:47 - 02:21:59Harley BatesSo, we didn't step out into different branch but, again, enough of a concern for us to, to issue the Safety Alert.

02:21:59 - 02:22:09Harley BatesThe, in this case, the the the liner could be severed due to just stress is, you know, being compress and under tension.

02:22:10 - 02:22:19Harley BatesThere could be some type of additional damage that occurs to the liner that causes it to to accelerate and breaking.

02:22:20 - 02:22:31Harley BatesBut what happens in this case is when the line or separates when, when when the hook is or when the mechanism is operated, It's a push pull cable.

02:22:31 - 02:22:40Harley BatesSo when you when the hook is released, is a pull action on the release Handel and own the cable.

02:22:41 - 02:22:47Harley BatesAnd so, when this happens, you know, the cables under compression, are the liners under compression.

02:22:48 - 02:22:55Harley BatesAnd then, during reset is the push action and then the liner then becomes under tension if the outer layers of the conduit compromised.

02:22:56 - 02:23:12Harley BatesSo, what we found during our test, and as that break happened, when, during a reset action, And, in this case, that, doesn't allow the hook to fully close.

02:23:12 - 02:23:17Harley BatesAnd you can see that on the sat, on the graphic, there, where it's, it's still in the red, but the hook.

02:23:18 - 02:23:22Harley BatesThe lock and chef is still in a locked position and will use the term locked loosely.

02:23:22 - 02:23:28Harley BatesBut, is it that tell, you cannot move to the open position?

02:23:28 - 02:23:30Harley BatesBut the lock and Jeff is not fully closed.

02:23:44 - 02:23:46Marshall PerezSomeone who has some background noise.

02:23:47 - 02:23:49Marshall PerezPlease, conversations.

02:23:52 - 02:23:52[speaker unknown]Mister Bates?

02:23:54 - 02:23:57Harley BatesAlright, where we're on the effects of increase in load.

02:24:00 - 02:24:01Harley BatesIt.

02:24:02 - 02:24:03Harley BatesAnd on this slide.

02:24:03 - 02:24:15Harley BatesSo, so, what, what, what we were testing here, and what we're trying to show here, is that and in our testing, and we're going to show some videos.

02:24:19 - 02:24:39Harley BatesKnow, if the lock and shaft is not in the designed closed position, or to fully closed position, it can fall in a place where an increase in load would force the lock and shaft to roll over and allow the hooked.

02:24:40 - 02:24:47Harley Bates

And this and this graphic, again, everything's fixed at the conduit dance, between the bulkhead notch.

02:24:47 - 02:24:58Harley BatesThe only thing this change in is the position of the the the outer conduit and what happens is if the Loch.

02:24:58 - 02:24:58Harley BatesIf, if.

02:25:02 - 02:25:03Harley BatesClose enough to open.

02:25:04 - 02:25:06Marshall PerezHarley, probably you just cut out on that last piece.

02:25:08 - 02:25:09Harley BatesOk.

02:25:11 - 02:25:12Harley BatesYou got me now.


02:25:15 - 02:25:16Harley BatesAll right, so, so.

02:25:19 - 02:25:32

Harley BatesWhat happens when when the lock when the, when the cable is separated, and the lock and chefs not in the fully closed position, is that you can be in a position.

02:25:32 - 02:25:37Harley BatesNow, this is our test and we're going to show that you can be in a fully closed position.

02:25:37 - 02:25:57Harley BatesThat all adult fully support are not fully closed position or an almost OK weight, but you can also fall into a position that if you add any kind of additional forces to the boat or the hooks that it can open the cave or open up the lock and shaft.

02:25:58 - 02:26:09Harley BatesAnd that's really what this graphic here is showing is that if you are in this position where you're not closed on the login shaft and you increase load on the boat.

02:26:09 - 02:26:14Harley BatesAnd the lock and shaft rolls over and the hook opens.

02:26:14 - 02:26:17Harley BatesYou might ask, what would cause that.

02:26:17 - 02:26:24Harley BatesThere could be any number of things that that increases the load from where it was support weight to where it no longer will.

02:26:24 - 02:26:26Harley BatesIt will force it open.

02:26:28 - 02:26:32

Harley BatesOne example would be when you stop, just to settle the swaying of the boat.

02:26:32 - 02:26:38Harley BatesAnd now, the boat kinda enters more dynamic state when it settles out with those load spikes.

02:26:38 - 02:26:43Harley BatesBut now there are instances when you pull and against a dad it offers into the stove position.

02:26:50 - 02:26:52Harley BatesYou can see some courses.

02:26:52 - 02:26:53Marshall PerezSo highly, you just cut out again.

02:26:56 - 02:27:12Harley BatesIf you are, if you were on a, on a traditional vessel that had a rollout data, that you could, you could see increased forces at the point where that the boat and reaches the end to travel, and then have it now starts to roll in board.

02:27:12 - 02:27:18Harley BatesThere's, there's different things here, and this is just going to show, we're going to show this in a video as we progress on.

02:27:18 - 02:27:18Harley BatesAll.

02:27:20 - 02:27:21Harley Bates

Right, next slide.

02:27:28 - 02:27:41Harley BatesSo what we're showing in this slide and what we found in our chat that, you remember when I mentioned a while ago that our testing, it had a tendency to too.

02:27:42 - 02:27:45Harley BatesThe conduit separate our break.

02:27:45 - 02:27:50Harley BatesWhenever we were in the Resetting Action or close inaction that pushed.

02:27:54 - 02:28:12Harley BatesScored the cable after that to see, hey, is this is this part, you know, OK, good thanks change Steelworker or change the outcome or the test after the cable is in line or are totally separated And what we found is that due to the layout of the cable.

02:28:17 - 02:28:20Harley BatesOnce we operated, we could get the hook to open.

02:28:20 - 02:28:23Marshall PerezUp The operation of K, we cut out.

02:28:27 - 02:28:30Harley BatesOh, let me, let me shift to the phone and see if that does anything better.

02:28:31 - 02:28:33Marshall PerezYou're doing alright earlier, but it all sudden just start losing it.

02:28:35 - 02:28:36Harley BatesI stand by minute.


02:29:13 - 02:29:14Harley BatesI didn't have anything on the phone.

02:29:14 - 02:29:16Harley BatesI don't know what's happening right.

02:29:18 - 02:29:18[speaker unknown]Now.

02:29:20 - 02:29:21Harley BatesSo, let's.

02:29:21 - 02:29:22Marshall PerezGo with it, So what happens?

02:29:22 - 02:29:22Marshall PerezAlright.

02:29:22 - 02:29:22Marshall PerezSo.

02:29:25 - 02:29:37Harley BatesSo what will be seen in this, in our what we're trying to show in this slide, is that any subsequent cycle hook would, would allow the hook to function in open position.

02:29:37 - 02:29:43Harley BatesBecause when the, conduit separated, it'll pull back together where it's supposed to be, and then still function.

02:29:43 - 02:30:01Harley BatesBut during a reset action, it just had, it just had a tendency to push the conduit apart and it would not allowed to reset and, and, and, and this hook design if the lock and shaft is not close, the boat will not support weight or the hooks will not support weight.

02:30:01 - 02:30:02Harley BatesSo with it.

02:30:06 - 02:30:13Harley BatesTotally separated, it essentially rendered hook's unable to recover the boat.

02:30:15 - 02:30:29Harley BatesAnd I just want to point out, too, that, when we started looking at these theories and started looking at this particular theory, we actually went to the cable manufacturer or the the assembler for the cable manufacture.

02:30:29 - 02:30:33Harley BatesAnd that they actually cut one apart.

02:30:33 - 02:30:36Harley Bates

Because when we told them this, they're like, well, I know that that won't work.

02:30:36 - 02:30:39Harley BatesBecause most people, when they have in their mind.

02:30:40 - 02:30:41Harley BatesControl cable failure.

02:30:42 - 02:30:45Harley BatesAnd again, these are used outside of lifeboat systems.

02:30:45 - 02:30:52Harley BatesThese are used and other marine systems, you know, remote fuel, shut off, steering systems, things like that.

02:30:52 - 02:31:02Harley BatesEverybody, thanks for the failure, as either the cables going to seize, and not work properly, or not work at all, are going to be totally severed and not work at all.

02:31:02 - 02:31:11Harley BatesAnd, you know, that's why this is a fairly interesting theory and something that nobody really considered.



02:31:19 - 02:31:27Harley BatesAlright, so this is gonna help to get some folks say a visual of what we're talking about with the lock and shaft and the various positions.

02:31:27 - 02:31:29Harley BatesSo these are three-d.

02:31:29 - 02:31:32Harley BatesScan of an actual cook.

02:31:33 - 02:31:43Harley BatesAnd this is this is this is actually a pal finger LA charge three point five hook and all of the components here.

02:31:43 - 02:31:46Harley BatesWe're laser scan of an actual.

02:31:47 - 02:31:48Harley BatesThere was a few things.

02:31:48 - 02:31:55Harley BatesAt the top two completed out that were built an AutoCAD but the main components to Hook body.

02:31:56 - 02:31:59Harley BatesThe book itself, the lock and shaft.

02:32:00 - 02:32:06Harley Bates

And the keeper, which retains the D ring, or all laser scan, and and three-d.

02:32:06 - 02:32:06Harley BatesModel.

02:32:06 - 02:32:09Harley BatesSo this shows a fully close took.

02:32:10 - 02:32:17Harley BatesAnd you can see that the hook indicator, kind of behind the position of the lock and chef, kinda in the gray.

02:32:18 - 02:32:22Harley BatesAnd this is going to show you, know, what it would look like.

02:32:22 - 02:32:24Harley BatesAnd this is fully against stops.

02:32:24 - 02:32:26Harley BatesThis is maximum closed.

02:32:27 - 02:32:40Harley BatesNow, when a dual hook set up, is adjusted for timing, both hooks open simultaneously, one hook maybe against the stops and fully close, one hook may be slightly off to stop.

02:32:40 - 02:32:43Harley BatesSo, that's why you may see some variances.

02:32:43 - 02:32:47Harley BatesAnd you know how far into the drain the pointer is.

02:32:48 - 02:32:59Harley BatesBut the notch that we're talking about in the lock and share, some people refer to as the cam, is that the graphic to the left, you can see that it's almost in a vertical position.

02:32:59 - 02:33:02Harley BatesBlock in the back end of the hook and the hook row.



02:33:11 - 02:33:14Harley BatesAll right, here's here's the open position.

02:33:14 - 02:33:24Harley BatesYou can see that the lock and shaft is now rotated, so that the notch and A flat would allow the tail of the hook to pass through the hook.


02:33:28 - 02:33:34Harley Bates

And this is what we're referring to as a partially closed or an almost open position.

02:33:34 - 02:33:42Harley BatesYou can see that the, know, on the pointer, that the hook is definitely going to be in.

02:33:42 - 02:33:43Harley BatesThe red is going to be about halfway.

02:33:43 - 02:33:48Harley BatesBut, it shows the position of, the tail of the hook.

02:33:48 - 02:34:01Harley BatesAnd roller is very close nine, disposition our test And we observe this, you know, depending on how close you are to that out, and it will, it will pass at 1.1 load test.

02:34:01 - 02:34:04Harley BatesBut, there are other times that, a fault.

02:34:04 - 02:34:07Harley BatesSo, next slide.

02:34:14 - 02:34:20Harley BatesAnd, this, here, is just giving you a comparison of the, the three positions, to get it.

02:34:20 - 02:34:24Harley BatesYou know, kinda do, all on one screen.

02:34:24 - 02:34:26Harley Bates

You know, what did the different positions looked like?

02:34:27 - 02:34:38Harley BatesI do want to note that the one, showing open on the large graphic, to the left, that, in three-d.

02:34:38 - 02:34:55Harley BatesSpace, you can rotate all kinds of directions, so that that position, that is slightly rotated, forward a little more than the other two, just so you can see the, where the hook would pass through the notch.

02:34:59 - 02:34:59[speaker unknown]All right.



02:35:10 - 02:35:16Harley BatesSo before we, before we go into the video like ...

02:35:16 - 02:35:17Harley BatesMentioned earlier.

02:35:19 - 02:35:28Harley BatesWe did do testing on a boat that was very similar to the the boat involved in the incident.

02:35:29 - 02:35:37Harley BatesThis particular boat is at Moraine Safety Training Center or Marine Survival Training Center.

02:35:37 - 02:35:38Harley BatesI'm sorry.

02:35:39 - 02:35:42Harley BatesThere in Lafayette and it is one of their primary training.

02:35:42 - 02:35:45Harley BatesSo this boat gets used a lot.

02:35:46 - 02:35:57Harley BatesBut it's a that this particular boat is a chat, a watercraft EL 24, with the Chat Harding.

02:35:58 - 02:36:01Harley BatesLa Char 3.5 release mechanism.

02:36:01 - 02:36:04Harley BatesSo let's go ahead and share this video.

02:36:24 - 02:36:24Harley BatesLet's play it again.

02:36:31 - 02:36:37Harley BatesAll right, you can see, this is the, this is the open action, which puts it under

compression, and then the closed action.

02:36:38 - 02:36:47Harley BatesIt actually separates, and we'll leave it on this slide, this end of the video here that's got some, some details about the test.

02:36:47 - 02:36:49Harley BatesAnd so what we did here.

02:36:52 - 02:36:53Harley BatesWe've seen cables.

02:36:54 - 02:37:04Harley BatesThere were things that kind of pushed us in this direction as far as, you know, how does that does a, uh, conduit compromise type deal.

02:37:04 - 02:37:09Harley BatesBut in the test and we just, we just made a clean cut and totally removed, all steel reinforcement.

02:37:09 - 02:37:12Harley BatesWe did it with a Dremel tool.

02:37:12 - 02:37:23Harley BatesAnd we were, we ensured that we did not make any of the line or at all when we did this, and then we cycle distinct 12 times.

02:37:23 - 02:37:26Harley BatesAnd you might ask, how did, how did we get 12?

02:37:26 - 02:37:35Harley BatesWell, we just kinda ran through a typical, typical arrangement of, you know, they've got to be or, you know, most people were launching their boats quarterly.

02:37:36 - 02:37:52Harley BatesSo, that was four cycles, you know, annual test, and in different things, and, and we took a generous approach, and, and put some bonus and pulls in air, so, which recycle this thing 12 times, and this particular cable didn't break.

02:37:52 - 02:38:04Harley BatesSo then, we started introducing some damage to the line, or it sounds like, what could happen with the reinforcement strands, or, you know, an outside in all its.

02:38:05 - 02:38:13Harley BatesSo, we we cut it and we got about a quarter of the way around the first time we cut it if we made about an eighth of the circumference.

02:38:14 - 02:38:18Harley BatesAnd then we cycled it in a distorted the liner pretty good.

02:38:18 - 02:38:25Harley BatesAnd then when we made another little line or about a quarter of this conference, as soon as we reset, that's when the cable separated.

02:38:26 - 02:38:34Harley BatesAnd you saw in the video that when it separated, then it fell in approximately that halfway position between open and closed.

02:38:44 - 02:38:45Harley Bates

You see the pointer there?

02:38:45 - 02:38:46Harley BatesAnd I'll own it.

02:38:47 - 02:38:48Harley BatesAre you saw those?

02:38:49 - 02:38:57Harley BatesThose, you can, you can see the green and the red behind the yellow tie, but you can kind of see that the A and the B, there.

02:39:01 - 02:39:03Harley BatesWhereas, at one end, and then the top end.

02:39:03 - 02:39:07Harley BatesAnd that's kind of Demonstrate fully open and fully closed.

02:39:15 - 02:39:17Harley BatesAll right, So, next slide.

02:39:21 - 02:39:29Harley BatesSo, in this one, we're gonna, we're going to show, basically, what happened during subsequent cycling, and explain the graphic that I'll walk through a few minutes ago.

02:39:40 - 02:39:41Harley BatesSo, he closes it.

02:39:41 - 02:39:43

Harley BatesIt operates fine.

02:39:43 - 02:39:44Harley BatesI'm sorry.

02:39:44 - 02:39:45Harley BatesOpens that it operates.

02:39:45 - 02:39:48Harley BatesFind them when he goes to close it.

02:39:48 - 02:39:54Harley BatesYou can see now it totally separated almost double what it was and when it first part it.

02:39:57 - 02:40:06Harley BatesAnd again, in this position with this particular hook, it will not support any way whatsoever if the Locket shaft is open.

02:40:11 - 02:40:28Harley BatesAnd you can see that if you, if you watch the Insets for the lock and shaft and the hook pointer, that when he's resetting the hook or closing it, those, if you look at them really close up close, you can see that one of them kind of moves.

02:40:28 - 02:40:32Harley BatesIt wants to move, but it does, kinda has a little bit of moving.

02:40:32 - 02:40:33Harley Bates

It still stays open.

02:40:36 - 02:40:44Harley BatesNow these particular hooks do have a Torsional Spring, which tends to exert some force into the closed position.

02:40:44 - 02:40:52Harley BatesBut the spring itself is not enough to overcome the force of the cable holding the lock and chapped in a particular position.



02:41:20 - 02:41:25Harley BatesSo this one here is going to be the one where we show what happens when we increase load.

02:41:27 - 02:41:29Harley BatesAnd we'll walk through this a couple chops.

02:41:35 - 02:41:53Harley BatesSo this is, this is the actual original equipment manufacturers test apparatus that we borrowed for this task got trained on how to use it and where, basically, if you, if you download the presentation or the individual videos, they have sound.

02:41:53 - 02:41:55Harley Bates

And there'll be a chart on.

02:41:55 - 02:42:00Harley BatesAnd it shows while we stopped at 1400 PSI and then what we did again.

02:42:01 - 02:42:02Harley BatesAh.

02:42:02 - 02:42:11Harley BatesSo so the 1400 number was based on the weight of the boat and a certain number of occupants.

02:42:13 - 02:42:21Harley BatesAnd then, we actually simulated vibration, like it would be seen when the boat was being recovered.

02:42:21 - 02:42:22Harley BatesOr stop turn.

02:42:22 - 02:42:25Harley BatesTo let the boats settle out, settle the Swank.

02:42:25 - 02:42:32Harley BatesYou'll hear three sharp taps to Assad plated hook, just just to simulate some vibration.

02:42:32 - 02:42:39Harley BatesBut basically, what we did is we had marks the position where the cable separated.

02:42:39 - 02:42:54Harley BatesThen we started rotating it closer and closer to the open position, to see where, would actually get to a point, that it would be closed, support, some weight, but then increased weight and open.

02:42:54 - 02:42:56Harley BatesAnd, uh, no.

02:42:58 - 02:43:10Harley BatesIt's kind of, I don't want to say a chance, but it very much, if a cable separates it would depend on where it would fall at, when it's separated.

02:43:10 - 02:43:11Harley BatesHow close to open.

02:43:12 - 02:43:29Harley BatesBecause our tests and did show and just, for an example, you know, you'll hear him in a video say mm number five, that was five mm past where it separated in our chest at four mm, we fully supported a 1.1 weight.

02:43:29 - 02:43:46Harley BatesActually, we supported a 1.5 wait, times the BYU, so, 1.5 tops, a fully loaded, both, based on the data plate, but then that extra mm, well, we went five mm passed, then it was support.

02:43:47 - 02:43:57Harley BatesNo, the weight at the boat and and operate prey, but as soon as we started increasing weight, the hook opened on its own, with no outside influence, whatsoever.

02:43:57 - 02:44:04Harley BatesNo, forces to the cable, And no forces to the release mechanism, just purely an increase.

02:44:05 - 02:44:09Harley BatesAnd the force is being applied to the hook.

02:44:11 - 02:44:18Harley BatesAnd that slow motion video actually shows, you know, that all that's being changed.

02:44:18 - 02:44:20Harley BatesTheir gene was pumping up the hydraulic.

02:44:22 - 02:44:28Harley BatesPuerto power At the time, all that was changing was the pressure during that slow motion video.

02:44:51 - 02:44:56Harley BatesWe want to re-iterate, too, like, mister Vander Kroll said earlier, that.

02:44:59 - 02:45:03Harley BatesThis is definitely a concern to us, as while we put out to Safety Alert.

02:45:03 - 02:45:13Harley BatesIt kinda showed some things that I think, people, we think people were not aware of, but we've found nothing that show that.

02:45:17 - 02:45:22Harley Bates

This alone would cause, you know, a major incident.

02:45:23 - 02:45:37Harley BatesSo, we definitely believe it to be a contributing factor, a major contributing factor, But there, there has to be some things along with this, if that makes sense.



02:45:47 - 02:45:58Harley BatesSo, basically, what was here is we just take in everything that was inside the safety Alert as far as recommendations and kinda pull them out.

02:45:58 - 02:46:07Harley BatesBullets tasked them, and basically wanted to talk to a couple of points, you know, we definitely want to recommend.

02:46:09 - 02:46:11Harley BatesHow these cables are looked at?

02:46:14 - 02:46:24Harley BatesKnow, are you, are you using a performance based approach, where if the cable has any kind of visible damage, does it still work, and because it works, it's still good?

02:46:24 - 02:46:30Harley BatesThat's one of the questions that need to be asked, are the cables visible?

02:46:30 - 02:46:44Harley BatesThere there are some boats styles where you can inspect the full link to the cable without removing it from the boat because of the way it runs through conduit in inaccessible void compartments.

02:46:45 - 02:46:49Harley BatesSo that's, that's really what we're getting at here is the cable.

02:46:52 - 02:46:55Harley BatesThoroughly inspected over the entire length.

02:46:55 - 02:47:08Harley BatesFor Chafing points, I want to point out that hey, you may come across damage and the cable itself, nice, Nice steel be in good shape notion, not show any signs of corrosion or anything like that.

02:47:08 - 02:47:15Harley BatesBut you need to look at what's going to happen to that K all in the future, retail environment inside of a lifeboat.

02:47:15 - 02:47:27Harley BatesYa, know, that most of these boats, The Hangouts on their own shattered A rig, their closed up very, very high humidity at high temperatures when they're closed, which tends to accelerate some of the.

02:47:27 - 02:47:27Harley BatesCorrosion.

02:47:27 - 02:47:29Harley Bates

Alright, next slide.

02:47:43 - 02:47:44Harley BatesI'm waiting on it to load a Gaussian.

02:47:44 - 02:47:46Harley BatesAnd yet, Yeah, we're seeing it.

02:47:46 - 02:47:52Harley BatesSo it's the case that it didn't show up on my.

02:47:52 - 02:47:53Harley BatesAnd I just want to make sure.

02:47:53 - 02:47:53Harley BatesSo.

02:47:53 - 02:48:03Harley BatesSo in this picture, you can see, one of the control cables the larger cable and then the hydrostatic cable.

02:48:03 - 02:48:05Harley BatesAnd you can see where it runs through that.

02:48:05 - 02:48:05Harley BatesIt's run.

02:48:05 - 02:48:09Harley Bates

Its are nothing more than a piece of fiberglass, you know, around the console.

02:48:09 - 02:48:15Harley BatesOne side, you see some swelling and you know, hey, this thing might be chafing, then you gotta look at the other side.

02:48:15 - 02:48:19Harley BatesAnd it's like, oh, this is not good.

02:48:20 - 02:48:26Harley BatesThis was found on an in service boat that had had a recent service by the original equipment manufacturer.

02:48:28 - 02:48:29Harley BatesThe cables were function.

02:48:30 - 02:48:45Harley BatesAgain, you know, if you come across this, you know, you have to ask a series of questions on, you know, what are my intentions here, and, you know, what do I need to do now?

02:48:47 - 02:48:48Harley BatesAll right, next slide.

02:48:52 - 02:49:01Harley BatesSo, kinda that, the opposite is the last slide, which was a cable that had been in service a number of years.

02:49:02 - 02:49:08Harley Bates

These cables here, you can see different Manufacturer, were a brand-new install.

02:49:08 - 02:49:12Harley BatesThese, these had not been in service smaller than I will say.

02:49:12 - 02:49:23Harley BatesI'll just rounded off and say too much, that the picture to the left is go into the aft took, and you can see, the outer jacket is all Nick.

02:49:24 - 02:49:26Harley BatesThis actually happened during installation.

02:49:26 - 02:49:36Harley BatesYou know, it's not Chase and in that position, but it happened when the cable was when it was installed at the boat, but those deep next could be cause for concern.

02:49:37 - 02:49:43Harley BatesYou know, future monitoring to, to verify that you notice that the outer jacket not being compromised.

02:49:44 - 02:50:08Harley BatesWhat I did, what I didn't talk about on the cable composition is, you know, when you start getting into the, the rules for type approval, you know, it talks about corrosion resistance, things like that, You know, these cables that have steel inner workings, They're designed to be in the marine environment, but it's due to a series of seals that protect that once that outer jacket is compromised.

02:50:08 - 02:50:14Harley BatesThen you know water, dampness, Thanksgiving And then you wrote the process starts.

02:50:14 - 02:50:21Harley BatesSo in this picture and ask why where you would want to start looking at, you know, hey I've got NAICS and as you know the cable may be serviceable.

02:50:21 - 02:50:26Harley BatesI may want to replace it now, or I may just want to document and put it on an accelerated.

02:50:26 - 02:50:27Harley BatesYou know, inspection schedule.

02:50:28 - 02:50:32Harley BatesThe picture to the right is the hydrostatic cable in the same boat.

02:50:33 - 02:50:39Harley BatesYou can see where it's JSON, where it runs through the conduit is inside of a compartment.

02:50:39 - 02:50:42Harley BatesSo it's not readily readily accessible.

02:50:42 - 02:50:51Harley BatesI mean, you can get to it And see it, But you would need to be in there with mirrors, and flashlights, and, and looking at the entirety of the cable.

02:50:51 - 02:50:53Harley BatesAnd that's kinda what we're getting at with these points.

02:50:53 - 02:50:59

Harley BatesAnd just to give you a couple of examples of, you know, thanks to be looking for when they should be inspected.

02:50:59 - 02:51:08Harley BatesAnd I don't just does the cable work, you know, here, and then now, you know, what's going to happen to it, you know, six months, a year from now.


02:51:14 - 02:51:20Harley BatesAnd this, this point is pretty self explanatory, you know, where we're recommending that if you see any kind of damage, definitely.

02:51:22 - 02:51:26Harley BatesLook at getting the cables replaced as soon as possible.

02:51:30 - 02:51:43Harley BatesAgain, anything that it compromises that outer protective layer no matter what color it is that's going to allow moisture into the inner layers, is, is going to accelerate the breakdown of that cable.

02:51:45 - 02:51:47Harley BatesAnd I didn't point this out earlier.

02:51:47 - 02:51:53Harley BatesDifferent boat manufacturers have different lifespans on their cables.

02:51:53 - 02:52:07Harley Bates

You know it depends on the cable that they have that the manufacturer of that cable, the makeup of the cable You know, they they could span any number of years where they say hey, it's time to replace this.


02:52:13 - 02:52:18Harley BatesThis goes back to my earlier point where you know what's going to happen in the future.

02:52:18 - 02:52:32Harley BatesSo really, if you identified damage or your service provider identifiers damage to a cable there needs to be some careful evaluation Gone into what do I do now?

02:52:32 - 02:52:33Harley BatesDo I take this boat out of service?

02:52:33 - 02:52:40Harley BatesAre the cables suitable to remain in service and I replace them at the earliest possible time.

02:52:40 - 02:52:43Harley BatesIt's all going to depend on what's found when you inspect escapes.


02:52:52 - 02:53:15Harley BatesWhat I'm sure everyone's aware of is as folks that operate, these boats may be

familiar with the overall operation, But we're recommending that anyone at operates these boats, whether it's for training or maintenance, that they are very familiar with all of the components.

02:53:15 - 02:53:20Harley BatesAnd what makes those components work, and how the system works as a whole.

02:53:21 - 02:53:44Harley BatesWe questioned people from all kinds of walks of being involved with these boats and have got varying answers on how things operate and, and go together, and what to look for, what constitutes good and bad, so that those manuals are put together for a reason.

02:53:45 - 02:53:48Harley BatesAnd everyone should be intimately familiar with.


02:53:53 - 02:53:54Harley BatesYes.

02:53:56 - 02:54:04Harley BatesSo, a good portion of that last bullet on the actual Safety Alert talks about safety pins.

02:54:05 - 02:54:22Harley BatesSo, a safety pin is, is a type of fall preventer device and if you remember, back to when all of the compliance issues came up with the Inter National Maritime Organization, these were kinda being looked at as a stopgap.

02:54:23 - 02:54:33Harley BatesBut we're recommending that if if there of truth with the hook because you can just can't go modify an existing type approved took.

02:54:35 - 02:54:43Harley BatesAnd there are systems that are approved with the hook, are the hook, could be resubmitted than these systems add an additional level of safety.

02:54:44 - 02:54:45Harley BatesSo, the Hooke's themselves.

02:54:46 - 02:54:54Harley BatesIf they're maintained and as they're designed, yeah, they're designed to be safe.

02:54:55 - 02:55:05Harley BatesIt tends to be when we start getting other factors into that, that degrades from the actual design where we start having problems.

02:55:05 - 02:55:11Harley BatesSo we're we're not saying that a Safety 10 are trained in Locke as as pictured here on this.

02:55:11 - 02:55:22Harley BatesTau finger hook is a, it makes the hook much safer than it already is, but it does increase that level if you're going to use that.

02:55:24 - 02:55:29Harley BatesBoats launch it, there's always mess, I'm concerned around safety pensionary.

02:55:29 - 02:55:39Harley BatesThey're kinda, you know, people stand by and watch and say, well, I'm going to have to get a boat, know during an evacuation, but they're putting all this extra stuff on there to use it for training.

02:55:39 - 02:55:47Harley BatesSo, you know, it, it's more of a training aspect for the crew to, to know why you're using aes.

02:55:47 - 02:55:55Harley BatesAnd, but, in this particular example, you can see it's a, it's a, it's an option for this hook.

02:55:55 - 02:55:58Harley BatesAnd that 10, no matter what happens.

02:55:58 - 02:56:09Harley BatesOn the other hand, whether you try to release the handle or you have a compromise control cable that lock and shaft is physically locked out and cannot rotate.

02:56:10 - 02:56:16Harley BatesSo that just gives an example of how this particular train and lock operates.

02:56:16 - 02:56:25Harley BatesDifferent manufacturers have, can see that operate different positions, but serve a similar option to prevent the operate mechanism, rotate.

02:56:28 - 02:56:41Harley BatesAnd I didn't pointed out at the beginning when commander was talking, but if you go

back and look at the beginning of the presentation where it had the agenda, that was another cable that was, you know, only.

02:56:41 - 02:56:53Harley BatesYeah, and in service boat, not the same boat that the hydrostatic cable we showed but just showed another example of things to look for that.

02:56:53 - 02:57:04Harley BatesYou know, we know, as as, as folks that just walk around and you used to see, and thanks, day-to-day, that sometimes, you walk past, that slowly degraded.

02:57:04 - 02:57:09Harley BatesAnd it just, it becomes normal to you and you don't really see the big change.

02:57:09 - 02:57:12Harley BatesLike, you would know, somebody different might show up.

02:57:13 - 02:57:17Harley BatesSo, I said, I'll turn it back over to You Commander.

02:57:23 - 02:57:23[speaker unknown]Excuse me.

02:57:24 - 02:57:25[speaker unknown]Well, thank you.

02:57:25 - 02:57:26[speaker unknown]Thank you so much, mister Bates.

02:57:26 - 02:57:30[speaker unknown]I think we're kinda pressing up on our one hour, so I want to make sure that we're able to open it up for questions.

02:57:32 - 02:57:39Marshall PerezSo, again, mister Chairman, I will I will turn it back over to you to facilitate the question, Thank you very much.

02:57:40 - 02:57:43Marshall PerezVery much, appreciate presentation there.

02:57:43 - 02:57:47Marshall PerezWill now, are there any questions from the committee at this time?

02:57:50 - 02:57:53Tom HoranTom, I have a question, I may.

02:57:54 - 02:57:55Marshall PerezGo for it.

02:57:56 - 02:57:58Tom HoranYeah, Tom or an offshore drilling.

02:57:58 - 02:58:09Tom HoranSo, notice as we went through this, we, it looks as if we did the cycling based on annual period for this particular testing.

02:58:09 - 02:58:10Tom Horan

Um.

02:58:12 - 02:58:18Tom HoranTrying to figure out, maybe not necessarily from a regulatory perspective, but what where.

02:58:19 - 02:58:29Tom HoranBecause in international inspection regime under 12 6, those cables and inspect through the annual ceremony is oral examination.

02:58:30 - 02:58:35Tom HoranSo, where, where did where do we have a potential gap?

02:58:35 - 02:58:39Tom HoranBecause I don't see it internationally, from a regulatory perspective.

02:58:39 - 02:58:45Tom HoranAnd I'm not sure this particular, can't say without any further information, whether this particular subject to that one.

02:58:45 - 02:59:05Tom HoranBut it seems to me, that may not necessarily a regulatory gap potential, in either the maintenance done, by either the crew or service, is also a service provider that's supposed to be checking on an annual basis, or whether it's this table's or not fully included.

02:59:05 - 02:59:09Tom HoranI'm just, I'm just, I just have the question there that understand where the gaps maybe?

02:59:13 - 02:59:14

Harley BatesDid you want to take that, or do you?

02:59:17 - 02:59:18Harley BatesTake a stab at it.

02:59:18 - 02:59:18Harley BatesI?

02:59:20 - 02:59:24Harley BatesThink that what mister Bates, like alluded to earlier.

02:59:24 - 02:59:26Harley BatesAnd how the people are.

02:59:26 - 02:59:26Harley BatesInspecting.

02:59:26 - 02:59:27Harley BatesThese!

02:59:27 - 02:59:38Harley BatesCables like different that, There is no uniform, at least at least in everything that we're finding like in, in the US, OCS and how they're how they are inspecting.

02:59:39 - 02:59:46Harley BatesThese cable, there's just no, like, one way there's functional, like is the cable working.

02:59:46 - 02:59:46

Harley BatesRight?

02:59:46 - 02:59:52Harley BatesSo even though you're finding Chafee, you're finding damage to the cable.

02:59:52 - 02:59:58Harley BatesPeople are being Certain persons are focusing on like whether or not the cable is actually working.

03:00:01 - 03:00:03[speaker unknown]What is damage, right?

03:00:03 - 03:00:11[speaker unknown]So in talking to two to the person has not sure there are people who are actually conducting the inspection.

03:00:12 - 03:00:16[speaker unknown]There's just very different interpretations of what is damage.

03:00:16 - 03:00:25[speaker unknown]And if you look at our, US rags doesn't really spell out exactly what, you, know, when is a cable required to be replaced.

03:00:25 - 03:00:30[speaker unknown]And it's not drilling down in terms of the specifics of, you know, well, what about that?

03:00:30 - 03:00:37[speaker unknown]What we're talking about, like the outer layers is that it's just, Chase, do you have to,

do you have to, You have to replace it?

03:00:37 - 03:00:47[speaker unknown]And I know that mister Bates and mister Sykes can talk a lot more about this in terms of, anecdotally, like, what they've seen offshore, I don't have as much experience again, inspection.

03:00:47 - 03:01:03[speaker unknown]They're seeing that there is, you know, finding a lot of these cables in these deteriorated conditions, where you'd think, you'd think, Well, why isn't this cable, not, hasn't been replaced.

03:01:04 - 03:01:05[speaker unknown]But, they're finding, it's not.

03:01:05 - 03:01:13[speaker unknown]And, again, there's a gap there, there's a gap, I think, in terms of how we are interpreting what functional, like, what is good condition.

03:01:14 - 03:01:16[speaker unknown]And so, you know, at this point.

03:01:17 - 03:01:26[speaker unknown]I think everybody who's been around the Coast Guard for awhile knows that, if there's a regulatory solution to this, it's going to be, it's not going to be soon.

03:01:26 - 03:01:27[speaker unknown]It's not going to be a quick solution.

03:01:27 - 03:01:41[speaker unknown]

It's going to take a long time to kind of push that through, even if you know there's a, even, even if you get if that, assuming there's some type of a recommendation to that to that end, if if that's indoors.

03:01:42 - 03:01:47[speaker unknown]So, what we want to do right now is just to sort of publicize this and make everybody aware of this.

03:01:47 - 03:01:58[speaker unknown]And maybe it goes back to pushing it back on the operators and OEMs to try to sort of drill down into the definitions that they're using, and drill down a little bit more in terms of how they're inspecting.

03:01:59 - 03:02:05[speaker unknown]And when they're doing the replacements, and thinking a little bit more about it, recognizing that they are being overlooked.

03:02:06 - 03:02:08[speaker unknown]Mister Bates, did you want to add anything to that?

03:02:09 - 03:02:13Harley BatesYeah, just, I just want to own that.

03:02:13 - 03:02:20Harley BatesYou know, keep in mind that most people, when they, when they talk about release mechanisms, all the focus goes to the hooks.

03:02:21 - 03:02:23Harley BatesSo, the release mechanism is a system.

03:02:25 - 03:02:39

Harley BatesAnd, and I'm not saying that OEMs and service providers are not looking at these things, but the cables are an intricate part of this system that is often just looked at as a consumable.

03:02:39 - 03:02:45Harley BatesBut, without the cables, the system does not work the way that it's designed.

03:02:45 - 03:02:53Harley BatesSo, you know, just keeping a holistic approach to one-year, when you're looking at these things, or when your service providers are looking at these things.

03:02:54 - 03:03:02Harley BatesBut, yeah, other than that and, you know, Commander kind of summed it up well with the regulation side of it Doesn't get that granular.

03:03:03 - 03:03:04Tom HoranMister Sykes, can I?

03:03:04 - 03:03:06Tom HoranDo you have anything to add, as well?

03:03:09 - 03:03:10[speaker unknown]Jane?

03:03:15 - 03:03:22[speaker unknown]I received a message, I'm saying that he had something, but maybe if he's able to log on.

03:03:22 - 03:03:24[speaker unknown]

Well, we'll hear from in a minute.

03:03:26 - 03:03:28Tom HoranThis has taught me, and I just want to come back.

03:03:29 - 03:03:29Tom HoranYeah.

03:03:29 - 03:03:31Tom HoranI appreciate the summary there.

03:03:32 - 03:03:33Tom HoranYeah.

03:03:33 - 03:03:42Tom HoranI mean, at least, if all the manufacturers are following the same clients, which are mandatory, than they should be, at least once a year.

03:03:46 - 03:03:47Tom HoranSo what level?

03:03:48 - 03:03:51Tom HoranCouldn't answer that, but it's probably something that needs to be an answer.

03:03:51 - 03:03:57Tom HoranTo what extent are these tables that just being inspected on an annual basis?

03:04:00 - 03:04:08Marshall Perez

Thomas's Marshall, as well as you brought up that the life cycle.

03:04:09 - 03:04:21Marshall PerezFor these tables, it's always apparent in the operations manual from OEMs, manual's, how often cables need to be replaced.

03:04:22 - 03:04:31Marshall PerezIf there is a life cycle that needs to be very plain, so that the vessel owners and operators can build it into their system to make sure it done.

03:04:34 - 03:04:47Tom HoranFully agree, Marshall, It's definitely has to be some co-operate in between the manufacturer and the end users of the product, Because, as you said, there will be varying degrees of life cycle on went to replace those.

03:04:47 - 03:04:57Tom HoranBut, at least from an inspection standpoint, looking at them once a year requirement, then they can identify that and see if the lice potentially changed, right?

03:04:58 - 03:05:03Marshall PerezI think you and I both know from experience being out there when these inspections are being done.

03:05:03 - 03:05:21Marshall PerezThe service provider or from an OEM or authorized service provider or other, probably do the best they can for what they can see, where some of these pieces are or hidden inside of void spaces or other pieces.

03:05:21 - 03:05:30Marshall PerezIt's not always, so easy to get to, so this may not get done as thoroughly as maybe

need to be done.

03:05:31 - 03:05:36Tom HoranYes, fully fully agree with you on that, Marshall, absolutely not going to be in plain sight.

03:05:38 - 03:05:41Marshall PerezI know, mister Callaway, you had a comment.

03:05:44 - 03:05:44[speaker unknown]Yes, thank you, Marshall.


03:05:45 - 03:05:47[speaker unknown]To the Coast Guard for such a detailed report.

03:05:48 - 03:05:49[speaker unknown]And it's fascinating.

03:05:49 - 03:05:57[speaker unknown]It's a shame, and I'm really sorry to hear that someone did die and it's, it's always tragic when we have to learn something from it from an accident.

03:05:58 - 03:06:02[speaker unknown]My comment, that, I'd like to just suggest the Coast Guard and it's open-ended.

03:06:02 - 03:06:11

[speaker unknown]And, it's just from my experience in the D P side, having spent 10 years on oil rigs, know, this sounds, it tastes a little bit like a hidden failure.

03:06:12 - 03:06:18[speaker unknown]And hidden failures are kind of difficult to identify, because they're not obvious when he goes regular testing.

03:06:18 - 03:06:27[speaker unknown]So, I don't know the history in the background of every piece of safety gear and how it's in the, in the industry, you know, from a design point of view.

03:06:27 - 03:06:32[speaker unknown]But, we started working this backwards years ago decades ago using failure mode.

03:06:32 - 03:06:35[speaker unknown]And effect analysis FMEA is with ...

03:06:35 - 03:06:35[speaker unknown]Limited.

03:06:35 - 03:06:39[speaker unknown]Because, the, the, the end result of a failure, there can be catastrophic.

03:06:39 - 03:06:46[speaker unknown]So, it's just food for thought that, in other aspects of the industry, we are very, we do rigorous testing.

03:06:46 - 03:06:52[speaker unknown]And, I don't know how rigorous the, you know, that the failure modes are evaluated

on safety gear.

03:06:52 - 03:06:55[speaker unknown]But, certainly, it could be considered food for thought in the future.

03:06:55 - 03:06:56[speaker unknown]Thanks for recognition.

03:06:56 - 03:06:57[speaker unknown]Recognition.

03:07:00 - 03:07:03[speaker unknown]Thank you for that and I'm taking notes in terms of everybody's comments.

03:07:08 - 03:07:12Marshall PerezIn the support, what Chris is saying is Marshall.

03:07:14 - 03:07:18Marshall PerezIs I know from the updated regulations on the hook designs for MIMO?

03:07:18 - 03:07:21Marshall PerezIt talks about the hooks should not be function.

03:07:21 - 03:07:23Marshall PerezIf the failure of the cables.

03:07:24 - 03:07:31Marshall Perez

Well, that's a total failure and this is a partial failure that now poses a significant risk.

03:07:32 - 03:07:48Marshall PerezSo, that's something where an FMEA style study on the different components and launching appliance it may bring that up have, people have different set of safety engineer perspective.

03:07:51 - 03:07:58[speaker unknown]Is it, is, it, is sending me some, some messages, and have some input?

03:07:58 - 03:08:00[speaker unknown]Is it possible that he may be muted?

03:08:00 - 03:08:05[speaker unknown]Is there any way to kinda, I think he's got some some great points that he wants to share.

03:08:05 - 03:08:08[speaker unknown]I'm just trying to make sure that he has a way to communicate them.

03:08:08 - 03:08:10[speaker unknown]I know that we heard him earlier.

03:08:10 - 03:08:12[speaker unknown]There's a way to make it work.

03:08:14 - 03:08:16[speaker unknown]Mister Sykes, or you may be muting yourself.

03:08:18 - 03:08:26[speaker unknown]Ok, and mister Bates, were you able to see any of mister messages that you could sort of translate?

03:08:32 - 03:08:34[speaker unknown]Ok, and we'll just, I'll just take note of them.

03:08:38 - 03:08:40Harley BatesStand by, and let me let me look at what he said.

03:08:40 - 03:08:42Harley BatesI didn't see the phone going off.

03:08:48 - 03:08:54Marshall PerezWell, well, Harleys doing that, is there any other questions from the committee members?

03:08:56 - 03:08:58Chris WoodlePartial, this is Chris.

03:08:59 - 03:09:00Marshall PerezGo ahead, Chris.

03:09:01 - 03:09:05Chris WoodleYeah, good afternoon across little production.

03:09:06 - 03:09:16Chris WoodleFirst Hurley Gene, I want to thank you for a very detailed explanation and description

of this particular aspect of the investigation.

03:09:16 - 03:09:24Chris WoodleThat one of my big takeaways from this statement, it was, this is just one of the things you're looking at.

03:09:24 - 03:09:29Chris WoodleAnd obviously, until the report is released, we won't know all the facts.

03:09:30 - 03:09:44Chris WoodleSo, I would just want to make my strongest recommendation at this point, that, based on that, the B, C C, my re-evaluate their position of enforcing an angel launch requirement upon us.

03:09:44 - 03:09:53Chris WoodleWhen we don't have all the facts and industry has not been given a chance yet to see this report, analyze it, and take certain.

03:09:53 - 03:09:57Chris WoodleBut I just think it's a little bit cart before the horse to go back to that.

03:09:57 - 03:10:03Chris WoodleThat's not to say that operators, we should do nothing with this equipment or nothing with regards to training.

03:10:04 - 03:10:11Chris WoodleAgain, strongly urge that we find alternative ways to address this until we are aware of all things.

03:10:11 - 03:10:12Chris Woodle

Thank you.

03:10:13 - 03:10:14Chris WoodleThanks.

03:10:14 - 03:10:17Chris WoodleAnd I'll, obviously, and defer to both the.

03:10:20 - 03:10:23[speaker unknown]Commander, in this case, as well as Commander Denning.

03:10:29 - 03:10:30[speaker unknown]Benefit of both of them.

03:10:30 - 03:10:32[speaker unknown]Well, we'll take your comments for consideration.

03:10:36 - 03:10:36Marshall PerezMister.

03:10:36 - 03:10:36Harley BatesAbate.

03:10:37 - 03:10:38Marshall PerezJeans.

03:10:39 - 03:10:40Harley Bates

Yeah, I do, mister Marshall.

03:10:40 - 03:11:00Harley BatesSo, So, basically, Jane just wanted to point out, I Know, Tom, so, on the drill inside, and everybody's kinda, probably in their mind relate this safety alert to float MCS facilities but we want to re-iterate that this, this safety alert is across the board for life boats.

03:11:00 - 03:11:03Harley BatesAnd the cables themselves, like I mentioned earlier.

03:11:03 - 03:11:23Harley BatesYou know, even go into two different types of Systems that that could become, you know, Could put, you know, a vessel itself into a life-threatening situation, but he Wanted to point out to about the checklist when you're talking to inspection, most manufacturers are OEMs.

03:11:23 - 03:11:24Harley BatesService.

03:11:25 - 03:11:40Harley BatesProviders tend to use one checklist, you know, that's based off of the IMO requirements, so that checklist, you know, and, and the folks that are from the float and OCS facility where they know that they, they get a checklist and long time.

03:11:40 - 03:11:47Harley BatesThey say this doesn't apply to us, but that the manufacturers and the OEMs are using those checklists, so it's across the board.

03:11:47 - 03:12:09Harley BatesSo that's really what Jean Monet to point out, is that, you know, the inspections are

being conducted very similar, regardless of the type of unit that the boat itself may be L And, you know, then those are based that the manufacturers checklists may be based on their internal recommendations.

03:12:09 - 03:12:14Harley BatesAs well as OMB IMO requirements.

03:12:23 - 03:12:24CDR Denning, USCG D8 OCS OCMIY'all hear me?

03:12:24 - 03:12:25CDR Denning, USCG D8 OCS OCMII always have challenges.

03:12:25 - 03:12:26CDR Denning, USCG D8 OCS OCMIGet through before.

03:12:27 - 03:12:28Marshall PerezYesterday, very loud and clear.

03:12:28 - 03:12:28Marshall PerezNow.

03:12:29 - 03:12:33CDR Denning, USCG D8 OCS OCMII'm not sure what the issue is dialed back in.

03:12:33 - 03:12:43CDR Denning, USCG D8 OCS OCMII was hoping to make a quick comment regarding the question about the gap in the inspection regime.

03:12:43 - 03:12:51CDR Denning, USCG D8 OCS OCMIAnd I just wanted to mention that the regulations offshore in this regard would be.

03:12:54 - 03:12:59CDR Denning, USCG D8 OCS OCMIAs Lieutenant Commander, Carl mentioned, you know, she mentioned the term condition.

03:12:59 - 03:13:03CDR Denning, USCG D8 OCS OCMIThat's the, that's, that's specific regulation.

03:13:07 - 03:13:08CDR Denning, USCG D8 OCS OCMIEmergency equipment.

03:13:08 - 03:13:21CDR Denning, USCG D8 OCS OCMISo, as, as Chris pointed out earlier, chapter on is vague, uncertain, regards, and this is one of those, one of those places where inspection is fairly general.

03:13:22 - 03:13:27CDR Denning, USCG D8 OCS OCMISo, I think that's where the, the impact of this particular safety alert is enormous.

03:13:29 - 03:13:48CDR Denning, USCG D8 OCS OCMIIt highlights a significant concern, and it speaks to how an operator can incorporate an inspection regime where the regulations are not as specific as when it has to be replaced, or how it has to be maintained.

03:13:51 - 03:13:53CDR Denning, USCG D8 OCS OCMIRelatively general.

03:13:53 - 03:13:58

CDR Denning, USCG D8 OCS OCMISo when my inspectors go out, they're going to ask how are you meeting.

03:14:00 - 03:14:06CDR Denning, USCG D8 OCS OCMIAnd how are you maintaining this equipment, and good, in, quote, unquote good condition?

03:14:06 - 03:14:07CDR Denning, USCG D8 OCS OCMIBecause that's all the regs require.

03:14:07 - 03:14:12CDR Denning, USCG D8 OCS OCMIAnd then it's an opportunity for each operator to show how they are doing.

03:14:14 - 03:14:23CDR Denning, USCG D8 OCS OCMIRecommendation, whether that's an inspection regime, whether that's getting certain procedures into their safety environmental management system.

03:14:23 - 03:14:25CDR Denning, USCG D8 OCS OCMIThere's there's some gray area there.

03:14:26 - 03:14:33CDR Denning, USCG D8 OCS OCMISo that's just how the regulations until such time, as well, we have to go by.

03:14:33 - 03:14:41CDR Denning, USCG D8 OCS OCMISo, again, Nevada, Chrome, mister Mays said it was a great safety alert.

03:14:41 - 03:14:44CDR Denning, USCG D8 OCS OCMIAbsolutely outstanding presentation just now.

03:14:44 - 03:14:44CDR Denning, USCG D8 OCS OCMIThank you.

03:14:44 - 03:14:45CDR Denning, USCG D8 OCS OCMISo thank you all so much.

03:14:50 - 03:14:53Marshall PerezSo it is, Marshall, thank you, as well.

03:14:55 - 03:14:59Marshall PerezThere is a question here about, you know, Coast Guard safety alert.

03:14:59 - 03:15:03Marshall PerezHas this been going to get picked up on IMO level, So on and so forth.

03:15:03 - 03:15:04Marshall PerezMove forward.

03:15:04 - 03:15:06Marshall PerezAnd something to think about, is a general comment.

03:15:06 - 03:15:11Marshall PerezI believe we're done with the committee questions, Reconfirm result committee members.

03:15:13 - 03:15:15Marshall PerezAsk her questions for this topic.

03:15:18 - 03:15:21Marshall PerezIf not, I know I have one, for the general public.

03:15:21 - 03:15:25Marshall PerezIt's time to open up questions, general public, mister Roen, you'd let me know you have a question.

03:15:33 - 03:15:33Marshall PerezEric?

03:15:45 - 03:15:48Marshall PerezOk, is there any other questions from the general public or have issues like Jim?

03:15:50 - 03:15:52Tim SullivanSullivan was for sure.

03:15:52 - 03:15:55Tim SullivanI've got a question, if I could ask.

03:15:55 - 03:15:55Tim SullivanGo for.

03:15:56 - 03:15:56Marshall PerezAttempt.

03:15:58 - 03:16:02Tim SullivanAll right, thanks for the presentation, Appreciate it.

03:16:06 - 03:16:11Tim SullivanSo, I guess, I guess my question is, I may have missed the presentation.

03:16:11 - 03:16:24Tim SullivanReally talking about the cable where the chafing with a chafing took place, Um, what level of inspection?

03:16:26 - 03:16:29Tim SullivanYou know, what does it have taken to detect the baby?

03:16:31 - 03:16:42Tim SullivanMean upscale for chips and I've dealt with these Folks had closed boats, those used to the rubber releasing gear on the boats, nineties, enclosed lifeboats.

03:16:46 - 03:16:56Tim SullivanReleasing devices, and, so, I mean, deal with, the cables out, We'll see, was right there at the handle control, just below the hook.

03:16:56 - 03:16:58Tim SullivanThe rest of the cables, I never.

03:17:00 - 03:17:13Tim SullivanSo I'm just curious, know, how how crude and available inspect these cables entirely and no, another five years.

03:17:13 - 03:17:22Tim SullivanSo I'm assuming that would provide a good opportunity for the facts or the approved service provider to tilt the cable, but.

03:17:24 - 03:17:25Tim SullivanYes, I have a lot of questions.

03:17:26 - 03:17:27Tim SullivanInspecting the cave, Feasible.

03:17:29 - 03:17:35Tim SullivanSame things, that seems to be the key, expecting inspecting the table.

03:17:36 - 03:17:37Tim SullivanCan you comment at all on that?

03:17:39 - 03:17:39Tim SullivanHarlan?

03:17:40 - 03:17:46Tim SullivanThis is the ..., and I think it's I think we discuss it, comfortable talking about it.

03:17:46 - 03:17:53Tim SullivanWe discuss it in the safety alert, that the damage, the damage, the damage to the cable damage.

03:17:56 - 03:18:07[speaker unknown]An incident that was discussed in the cable and in a safety alert, was noted and photographed about like six weeks before the incident occurred, so it was visible.

03:18:07 - 03:18:11[speaker unknown]

And so again, this kind of goes back to what.

03:18:13 - 03:18:20Tim SullivanWhat is, what is, you know, you're here you're conducting inspection, so it's not just about the inspecting the cables.

03:18:21 - 03:18:24Tim SullivanIt's about what is the trigger for replacement?

03:18:25 - 03:18:30Tim SullivanAnd at this point, I think, you know, going back to our recommendations.

03:18:32 - 03:18:47[speaker unknown]You know, we're, we're, we're asking maybe to lower the bar a little bit in terms of what would usually trigger a replacement for a cable or we think that exactly when we think that the fact supporting the safety alert and the fact that we've developed so far.

03:18:50 - 03:18:58[speaker unknown]Would, would support, you know, I guess more frequent replacement, especially depending on like what, what type of damage was was found.

03:18:58 - 03:19:07[speaker unknown]So the damage in this case it was noted it just nobody, it didn't trigger a replacement for a myriad of reasons.

03:19:07 - 03:19:14[speaker unknown]As to your, Right, like, a lot of the damage, like, you know, you're under, it's hidden.

03:19:14 - 03:19:26[speaker unknown]

And so I think you're going to have to, you know, kind of talk about get creative ways and I don't know if that takes, actually, like, removing the cables, which I know is highly burdensome because then you have to go back and you have to time.

03:19:26 - 03:19:26[speaker unknown]Everything again.

03:19:26 - 03:19:29[speaker unknown]Are you looking at cameras, maybe.

03:19:33 - 03:19:37[speaker unknown]There's, I guess there are some solutions, and we don't have right now, like a solution for everything.

03:19:37 - 03:19:48[speaker unknown]Part of the safety alert is just to get people thinking and recognizing the consequences of cable, damage and compromise cables and what can happen.

03:19:48 - 03:19:48[speaker unknown]And asking people.

03:19:49 - 03:19:58[speaker unknown]Maybe to be a little bit more forward leaning in terms of the inspection as well as the replacement of these cables and really appreciating as hardness.

03:19:58 - 03:20:05[speaker unknown]Mister Bates was just speaking about how integral these cables are to that system, right.

03:20:05 - 03:20:10[speaker unknown]

So that I think in the past, a lot of times these cables have thought about or have been kind of an afterthought.

03:20:10 - 03:20:17[speaker unknown]And so we're asking people to sort of re rethink that and recognize that these cables are an integral part of that system.

03:20:17 - 03:20:23Tim SullivanAnd that they need as much attention as mister Bates If you'd like to add anything or mister Sykes.

03:20:29 - 03:20:29Marshall PerezSo.

03:20:31 - 03:20:32Gene Sykes OCS NCOECan anybody hear me?

03:20:39 - 03:20:42Marshall PerezHold on a SEC, Appreciate it.

03:20:42 - 03:20:43Marshall PerezWe're getting short on time.

03:20:43 - 03:20:48Marshall PerezI don't want to cut conversation off, so I want to have to work at least two more quick questions.

03:20:50 - 03:20:52Marshall PerezAnd any other questions?

03:20:52 - 03:20:55Marshall PerezWe have discussions towards the end of the open public comment period.

03:20:56 - 03:21:00Marshall PerezOk, so, Eric, I want to come back to you, if possible place.

03:21:01 - 03:21:02[speaker unknown]Can you hear me now?

03:21:02 - 03:21:03Marshall PerezYes!

03:21:05 - 03:21:10[speaker unknown]I apologize for any background noise, switch to my computer, like to briefly walk.

03:21:14 - 03:21:16[speaker unknown]You through all this.

03:21:17 - 03:21:17Gene Sykes OCS NCOEI just.

03:21:17 - 03:21:19[speaker unknown]Want to recognize genes.

03:21:22 - 03:21:30[speaker unknown]Horses had us go through several manufacturers maintenance manuals with a fine tooth comb and one of the things.

03:21:32 - 03:21:54[speaker unknown]We at this point, especially as you get further and further out, the frequency of the recommendations, like you start with monthly yearly, there's very little, at least this particular maintenance manual, because it does seem completely rely on regulations, which aren't really applicable to us.

03:21:54 - 03:21:58[speaker unknown]So, five years, virtually nothing, although, most, did.

03:22:01 - 03:22:01[speaker unknown]Change.

03:22:03 - 03:22:12[speaker unknown]These cables place every five years at the five year, which, which hardly notice very well, sometimes damage.

03:22:13 - 03:22:20[speaker unknown]Done to the Albert has done during installation process so there's, there's always something to address in there.

03:22:21 - 03:22:30[speaker unknown]Do seem to have great detail for weeklies and oftentimes, monthly, because those aren't really addressed by solace or anyone else.

03:22:30 - 03:22:39[speaker unknown]But once you start getting into greater intervals, they rely too much on the regulatory regime and it gets very generalized.

03:22:40 - 03:22:46[speaker unknown]

We actually started request and much more information on specifically what needs force?

03:22:48 - 03:22:49[speaker unknown]Or, did we get that?

03:22:49 - 03:22:56[speaker unknown]But it leads to nature checklist for the one in five, not really update the manual.

03:22:58 - 03:23:06[speaker unknown]All of a sudden, it changes from a recommendation to replace five years to a mandatory change out of every five years or so.

03:23:06 - 03:23:11[speaker unknown]For pointing that out in the interest of time.

03:23:14 - 03:23:15[speaker unknown]My way to the.

03:23:17 - 03:23:18[speaker unknown]Comments.

03:23:18 - 03:23:20[speaker unknown]Or, we can address it some other way.

03:23:20 - 03:23:26[speaker unknown]I did want to, I guess, I'll ask Harley or, You.

03:23:29 - 03:23:29

[speaker unknown]Really can't answer.

03:23:29 - 03:23:31[speaker unknown]But, we're.

03:23:33 - 03:23:41[speaker unknown]Reading accurately whether it was open, partially open, or closed, and I know you're very.

03:23:43 - 03:23:51[speaker unknown]Helpful, because I know from our particular circle, safety pins are.

03:23:53 - 03:23:57[speaker unknown]Completely closed, but it does need to think that safety.

03:23:58 - 03:24:00[speaker unknown]Was there any?

03:24:00 - 03:24:00[speaker unknown]Or to ascertain.

03:24:00 - 03:24:04[speaker unknown]How difficult or maybe?

03:24:07 - 03:24:09[speaker unknown]Indicators were indeed accurate?

03:24:10 - 03:24:14

[speaker unknown]Score close, without going into too much detail.

03:24:16 - 03:24:16[speaker unknown]Why?

03:24:16 - 03:24:18[speaker unknown]Why would not have raised the flag?

03:24:20 - 03:24:22[speaker unknown]Would be lifted up.

03:24:23 - 03:24:35[speaker unknown]You gotta give you need to answer the question, and this is a ..., I do, I think, that you're asking them right Questions.

03:24:35 - 03:24:41[speaker unknown]And I just think it's getting too close in terms of some of our specific findings, and the investigation is still under review.

03:24:41 - 03:25:02[speaker unknown]And so, at this time, I think we'll probably not elect not to say that, again, because it goes into specific findings from the Investigation Vice from the Safety Alert, which is more of a general, and I'm sorry to do that, because I know it's an important question, but, hopefully, we can get you that information sooner than later, and, that's exactly why I was asking.

03:25:05 - 03:25:09[speaker unknown]I know, gosh, I know that the timeline, I just know there's a lot of people who are working really.

03:25:10 - 03:25:14[speaker unknown]Everybody's going as fast as they can adjust our processes are are are laborious.

03:25:15 - 03:25:22[speaker unknown]Because that actually kinda does answer that question and the fact that I believe it's going to be answered.


03:25:27 - 03:25:31Marshall PerezNext question posed mister David Mackay, real quick comment.

03:25:32 - 03:25:40David McKayJust a comment and feedback, as noted, in the process of doing plaza site inspections on why sport.

03:25:40 - 03:25:47David McKaySo sometimes this does come with a slot side that retains the tail of the hook from flipping.

03:25:48 - 03:25:54David McKayAnd releasing the hurt sometimes doesn't fully reset, and to the flop flop against the position.

03:25:55 - 03:26:01David McKayYou know, it never occurred to me until this presentation, that the reason for that maybe isn't the cable is compromised.

03:26:01 - 03:26:07David McKaySo I think this is a great example of a hidden failure, is not something you would typically look.

03:26:07 - 03:26:14David McKayI set my alarm something today and I really appreciate the Coast Guard, Harlan.

03:26:16 - 03:26:23David McKayMister Sykes, as well, a gene on the most Vonda crawl.

03:26:23 - 03:26:25David McKayBringing this to the committee's attention.

03:26:25 - 03:26:26David McKayVery good job indeed.

03:26:28 - 03:26:33Marshall PerezThank you one more before we move on, Claudio zavala.

03:26:33 - 03:26:42Harley BatesHey, hey, but for before, Claudio, mister Marshall, just just to point out to mister David, this particular hook design was not a flat on a flat design.

03:26:42 - 03:26:47Harley BatesThere are flat on flat designs, but this one was not.

03:26:47 - 03:26:48Harley Bates

So I just want to re-iterate that.

03:26:49 - 03:26:50Marshall PerezCorrect.

03:26:50 - 03:26:59Marshall PerezAnd we've also seen somebody's able stretch over time and have to be adjusted to give that problem that mister Guy was talking about.

03:26:59 - 03:27:05Marshall PerezSo there's actually this was the flat turns to open-ended released this design.

03:27:06 - 03:27:08Marshall PerezOk, mister Zavala?

03:27:10 - 03:27:11Claudio ZavalaThank you, Marsha.

03:27:11 - 03:27:12Claudio ZavalaCan everybody hear me?


03:27:13 - 03:27:17Claudio ZavalaOk, well, first of all, I'd like to thank everybody for putting this together.

03:27:17 - 03:27:18Claudio Zavala

And for the US.

03:27:18 - 03:27:37Claudio ZavalaCoast Guard, particularly early in this Tastic presentation, it is brought about very important, whereas safety awareness on release gears as a manufacturer and also a service provider, I would like to make a comment in regards to doing inspections on lifeboats that have these types of cables.

03:27:38 - 03:27:40Claudio ZavalaThe technicians have to go through training.

03:27:41 - 03:27:52Claudio ZavalaTo inspect the equipment per the statutory rules, but the requirements usually to do a function tests, operational tests, and visual, or what you actually can see.

03:27:52 - 03:28:00Claudio ZavalaAs it was commented, during the presentation early on, some of these cables are embedded into the guide tubes in the hall.

03:28:00 - 03:28:17Claudio ZavalaYou cannot see the entire table, so that they would have to be a regulation that mandates removal of the cable one, If any kind of damage is found, we would have to have guidance.

03:28:17 - 03:28:20Claudio ZavalaIs the boat considered unfit for service?

03:28:21 - 03:28:22Claudio ZavalaBecause that's very important.

03:28:23 - 03:28:27

Claudio ZavalaElement, when a technician goes out there, he would have to give them guidance.

03:28:27 - 03:28:30Claudio ZavalaSo, when do you need to take the boat out of service?

03:28:30 - 03:28:32Claudio ZavalaObviously, if it's broken, it doesn't work.

03:28:32 - 03:28:39Claudio ZavalaIt's, it's, it's, it's immediate, but we would need to know, do you take it out of service for shaping?

03:28:40 - 03:28:54Claudio ZavalaAnd, those are things that probably cannot be answered right now, but it does post a question on the type of guidance that would need to come out in the future for us to follow a prescriptive regime in order to do this safely and prevent this from re-occurring.

03:28:55 - 03:29:03Claudio ZavalaLastly, I don't bleed the five year interval is adequate for, for replacing these cables, usually.

03:29:04 - 03:29:16Claudio ZavalaThings are found before the five year period due to corrosion and many other factors, I think, five years is probably too long, unless it's expected, thoroughly by removal, et cetera.

03:29:17 - 03:29:18Claudio ZavalaThat's my comment, Thanks for everybody.

03:29:19 - 03:29:19Marshall PerezAll right.

03:29:20 - 03:29:27Marshall PerezSo thank you and this is Marshall again and with the With the final report we just submitted.

03:29:27 - 03:29:36Marshall PerezWe did request a, a test statement from the Coast Guard based off the final report from this event.

03:29:37 - 03:29:46Marshall PerezSo I think a lot of the items here, questions and recommendations from the industry can come about through that task statement, if we get it from the Coast Guard.

03:29:47 - 03:29:49Marshall PerezIn interest of time, we need to move forward.

03:29:49 - 03:29:52Marshall PerezWe're worried about 12, 15 minutes behind schedule.

03:29:53 - 03:30:02Marshall PerezSo I want to move forward, again, thank you, ..., mister, mister Sykes, and for, for this, and in the industry.

03:30:04 - 03:30:07Marshall PerezContinued interest, such a critical safety topic.

03:30:08 - 03:30:11

Marshall PerezThis concludes the presentation portion of our agenda.


03:30:12 - 03:30:13Marshall PerezOnce again.

03:30:14 - 03:30:22Marshall PerezFor the support, the in mister strove for your presentation earlier, the presentations were very well done.

03:30:22 - 03:30:32Marshall PerezAt this time I'd like to ask the representatives from the representative for the Bureau of Safety, Environmental Enforcement to provide any updates for their respective agency.

03:30:34 - 03:30:35Marshall PerezJohn Cushing from Betsy.

03:30:39 - 03:30:41John CushingHopefully you can hear me early on.

03:30:43 - 03:30:51John CushingI have some slides, just real quickly, It's not going to take long pet, or you're able to load those, or, should I try to share my screen?

03:30:54 - 03:30:56John Cushing

Actually, let me see if I can share my screen here.

03:30:57 - 03:30:58[speaker unknown]Yeah, Go ahead and share.

03:30:59 - 03:31:00[speaker unknown]How's that working?

03:31:03 - 03:31:05Marshall PerezGotcha, Latin, it looks good.

03:31:06 - 03:31:07John CushingOk.

03:31:09 - 03:31:10John CushingI'm only seeing part of my screen here.

03:31:10 - 03:31:12John CushingSo hopefully, hopefully, this will work.

03:31:14 - 03:31:16John CushingSo, first of all.

03:31:19 - 03:31:21John CushingSorry, OK, here you go.

03:31:21 - 03:31:22John Cushing

Better now.

03:31:24 - 03:31:26John CushingHave technical difficulties there, so please bear with me.

03:31:30 - 03:31:34John CushingOk, so, first of all, I'd like to start with a covert 19 update.

03:31:34 - 03:31:37John CushingWe've been tracking the coven 19 cases on the Gulf of Mexico.

03:31:38 - 03:31:43John CushingUm, so this is as these numbers are, as of Monday, the 28th of September.

03:31:44 - 03:31:46John CushingSo I've had a total of just just under 400.

03:31:46 - 03:31:52John CushingTotal Confirmed coven, 19 cases on the Gulf of Mexico, on the outer Continental shelf facilities.

03:31:53 - 03:31:56John CushingUm, that's the total number, over the last six months.

03:31:57 - 03:32:00John CushingWe also track active cases, because obviously, we don't want our inspectors to go out there.

03:32:01 - 03:32:03

John CushingIf there's active cases on a particular platform, we want to know that.

03:32:03 - 03:32:04John CushingWe want to track that.

03:32:05 - 03:32:10John CushingSo we took the act of cases over a rolling 14 day window.

03:32:10 - 03:32:19John CushingSo for the last 14 days, the number of confirmed covert 19 cases on the OCS is just in one case, which just one confirmed case over the last 14 days.

03:32:19 - 03:32:23John CushingBut they're all there has also been OCS workers with symptoms.

03:32:23 - 03:32:24John CushingAnd so they have quarantined.

03:32:24 - 03:32:25John CushingAnd there's eight cases of that.

03:32:25 - 03:32:27John CushingSo nine cases total.

03:32:27 - 03:32:29John CushingTwo of the cases occurred on one of the platform.

03:32:29 - 03:32:32

John CushingSo really, this is only affected 8 8 specific platforms.

03:32:33 - 03:32:43John CushingNow, the number of total number of mande platforms and mobile, offshore drilling units in the Gulf of Mexico is 673 over the course.

03:32:43 - 03:32:50John CushingOf the last six months, we have identified 67 unique Gulf of Mexico OCS Facilities with OC With coven, 19 cases.

03:32:51 - 03:32:54John CushingAnd that breaks down as, uh, 47 production.

03:32:54 - 03:32:59John CushingProduction platforms and 20 platforms are doing well operations.

03:32:59 - 03:33:07John CushingAnd so what that amounts to, over the last six months, we've seen or it's only been about 10% of the main platforms have actually had cases of October 19 on them.

03:33:08 - 03:33:13John CushingReally pleased to report that, the number of best inspectors with Kobi Covert, 19 Husband 0.

03:33:13 - 03:33:23John CushingNow we have had a few inspectors at a bit on facilities where they had either confirmed cases of suspected cases, that were reported after they had the part of the plot, the platform.

03:33:23 - 03:33:28

John CushingSo a lot of abundance caution with others on specters quarantine just to be safe.

03:33:28 - 03:33:31John CushingHowever, none of them have had to come down with Coca 19.

03:33:31 - 03:33:35John CushingSo, real pleased with our safety record and we feel as your safety measures really plan.

03:33:38 - 03:33:41John CushingSo, here's the graphs, and you recognize the numbers.

03:33:41 - 03:33:42John CushingOn the right-hand side here.

03:33:42 - 03:33:53John CushingTotal number of cases is 394, and that's the cumulative total, over the last six months, you'll see that, you know, those numbers in the red, the red graph there really ramped up in July.

03:33:53 - 03:33:57John CushingBut of course we saw throughout the nation July was a bad month.

03:33:57 - 03:34:00John CushingWe saw a lot of big increase in cases throughout the country in July.

03:34:00 - 03:34:15John CushingSo that corresponds with what we're seeing around the country that's served on the OCS, you can see now it's tapering off the last, at the end of August and throughout

September, the number seven, tapering off significantly so that's certainly good news.

03:34:16 - 03:34:21John CushingCertainly seem to taper off in the national numbers in the last month and a half or so.

03:34:21 - 03:34:31John CushingWe can also partially attribute that to was Hurricane Laura which made landfall in Chairman Louisiana on the 27th of August.

03:34:31 - 03:34:41John CushingSo we would have evacuated a lot of the platforms for that and also encouraging Sally, which made landfall in Gulf Shores area on September 16th.

03:34:41 - 03:34:48John CushingAnd so that that would also true in part to the decrease in numbers but overall it's a good trend that the numbers are decreasing.

03:34:49 - 03:34:54John CushingAnd then if you look at the lower two graphs, that's a 14 day rule then count.

03:34:54 - 03:34:58John CushingThe gray one is confirmed covert cases over the 14 day window.

03:34:59 - 03:35:03John CushingAnd the yellow graph is as workers with symptoms that were quarantined.

03:35:04 - 03:35:12John CushingAnd you'll see those numbers are pretty low right now, our one confirmed case and

eight workers with symptoms are, now, just got an update today this morning.

03:35:12 - 03:35:13John CushingI just got a new update.

03:35:13 - 03:35:15John CushingThe numbers have risen a little bit.

03:35:15 - 03:35:21John CushingI think we have two confirmed cases and 12 of workers were quarantined right now.

03:35:22 - 03:35:29John CushingSo slightly up to uptick, so hopefully it's just a just a you know, momentarily tick momentary tick not a new new trend.

03:35:29 - 03:35:32John CushingSo we will continue to monitor very closely, obviously.

03:35:34 - 03:35:37John CushingUm, the interest of time, I'll move through this quickly.

03:35:37 - 03:35:43John CushingBut we made a lot of changes to accommodate 19, to New safeguards, spinning telework.

03:35:43 - 03:35:45John CushingObviously fraught for inspections And it's expanded.

03:35:45 - 03:35:56

John CushingTelework doesn't really help out that much for conducting offshore inspections, but we have increased our records inspections so that we can do more of our inspections electronically unsure before you have to offshore.

03:35:57 - 03:36:06John CushingAlso, we've put a lot of safety measures in place, and, again, in the interest of time, I'm not going to run through everything, but, um, we expect yourself self screen before they leave the house.

03:36:06 - 03:36:11John CushingThey go directly to the heliport, get screened at the heliport screen again, when they arrive at the facility.

03:36:12 - 03:36:15John CushingThe helicopter vendors, they're screening the pilots separately.

03:36:15 - 03:36:24John CushingThere's a special cleaning of The aircraft, were limiting the number of inspectors on each aircraft, and so I know, I could go on and on, but there's a number of measures we have in place.

03:36:24 - 03:36:27John CushingA real pleased, they seem to be really, really working well.

03:36:29 - 03:36:33John CushingSo shifting gears just want to talk real quickly about Bessie.

03:36:33 - 03:36:36John CushingDoes he say, if it's a text messaging system I've mentioned it before.

03:36:36 - 03:36:40John CushingSo I won't spend a lot of time on this but I just want to remind people that this is available.

03:36:40 - 03:36:42John CushingIt was launched about a year ago May of 2019.

03:36:43 - 03:36:51John CushingFirst of its kind kind of direct communication or using text messages between Safety Regulator and the frontline workers particularly the workers on the OCS.

03:36:52 - 03:36:56John CushingWe're up to 68 hundreds of subscribers are real pleased with that.

03:36:56 - 03:36:57John CushingGiven day.

03:36:57 - 03:37:01John CushingThere's they said there's what's 30,000 or so workers on the OCS.

03:37:01 - 03:37:03John CushingSo we're up to 7000 subscribers.

03:37:03 - 03:37:05John CushingWe're starting to get a pretty good chunk of those $30,000.

03:37:05 - 03:37:08John Cushing

So, I think we're making good progress with that.

03:37:09 - 03:37:11John CushingIf you look on the right, it shows you the website to go and sign up for this.

03:37:11 - 03:37:17John CushingIt's just that you sign up and you're on your phone number so they can send text messages with this.

03:37:17 - 03:37:20John CushingYou don't 44 safety alerts through the system.

03:37:20 - 03:37:24John CushingWe've actually co-operated with the Coast Guard and several Coast Guard alerts have gone out to the system, too.

03:37:25 - 03:37:39John CushingAnd it's involved more than 90,000 text messages, and if you do the math, 90,000 divided by 6500, it's about 13 text messages per subscriber, so we're not bombarding people, but, you know, what's the twice a week?

03:37:39 - 03:37:45John CushingWe try to send something out if we have a safety alert or something important to announce, we use this system, so real pleased with how that's working out.

03:37:45 - 03:37:47John CushingAnd this is my last slide, I'll wrap it up here.

03:37:48 - 03:37:53John CushingI just want to point out that, you know, it's been a real trend for decommissioning

the platforms on the shelf.

03:37:54 - 03:37:56John CushingAnd so we're seeing a big reduction in the number of platforms.

03:37:56 - 03:38:04John CushingLike, when I got involved with the offshore oil and gas industry, bacca 2000, there's over 4000 platforms in the Gulf of Mexico.

03:38:04 - 03:38:10John CushingThen, we're down to maybe 1500 platforms, So, big significant reduction in the number of platforms.

03:38:10 - 03:38:12John CushingBut the deepwater area has really taken off.

03:38:12 - 03:38:16John CushingAnd continues to produce a tremendous amount of oil and gas.

03:38:16 - 03:38:23John CushingSo the numbers to know, the numbers can confirm that even though we're seeing less and less platforms, we're seeing a steady increase in the oil production rates.

03:38:23 - 03:38:32John CushingSo I think that, you know, it's good news for the oil and gas industry, certainly Coast Guard Bessie have a continuing role in situ regulation out there.

03:38:32 - 03:38:35John CushingSo, yeah, I think the future looks, looks good.

03:38:36 - 03:38:39John CushingAnd so with that, we'll wrap it up.

03:38:39 - 03:38:42John CushingAnd yeah, if there are any questions, I'd be glad to answer them.

03:38:43 - 03:38:43Marshall PerezSounds good.

03:38:43 - 03:38:49Marshall PerezThank you, mister Cushioned committee members, you have any questions, comments?

03:38:53 - 03:38:56Marshall PerezAre there any questions from the public?

03:38:57 - 03:38:58Marshall PerezMister Cushing.

03:39:01 - 03:39:02[speaker unknown]Just one, Marshall.

03:39:03 - 03:39:11[speaker unknown]And John, you know, stop me if this isn't your wheelhouse, but there's been a lot of discussion lately about life extension on existing facilities.

03:39:13 - 03:39:20[speaker unknown]Basically this using the CBA process is basically the best tool has kinda use a

screwdriver to hammer.

03:39:20 - 03:39:36[speaker unknown]You have any insight on where, exactly is, obviously, it goes to chime in on on the role, they play their lives, How many facilities or golf life extension, whether plants I've actually been approved?

03:39:41 - 03:39:44[speaker unknown]Has it been nominated, you know, where are we in that process?

03:39:46 - 03:39:47John CushingYeah, that's a really good question.

03:39:47 - 03:39:48John CushingAnd I don't have the numbers at my fingertips.

03:39:48 - 03:39:52John CushingI know it's been a big topic of discussion for Betsy and also with the Coast Guard.

03:39:52 - 03:39:57John CushingCertainly a lot of these, these platforms, like I said, are getting decommissioned or near the end of their service life.

03:39:57 - 03:39:59John CushingAnd there's a lot of questions about what to do with them.

03:39:59 - 03:40:04John CushingNext decommissioning them or extending the service life as a big topic on my files.

03:40:04 - 03:40:05John CushingI don't have the numbers at my fingertips.

03:40:05 - 03:40:07John CushingI don't know if anyone on the Coast Guard they can respond.

03:40:09 - 03:40:09John CushingYeah.

03:40:17 - 03:40:17John CushingThat's fine.

03:40:17 - 03:40:19John CushingIf not, I can follow up offline.

03:40:19 - 03:40:25John CushingUm, I can totally put you in touch with some of our folks who are working closely with that, and get some numbers and stuff if you'd like.

03:40:26 - 03:40:32[speaker unknown]I appreciate, John, because honestly, I don't know, The headquarters thing is even evolved on loop itself.

03:40:32 - 03:40:33[speaker unknown]There's just at the regional level.

03:40:33 - 03:40:35[speaker unknown]

I'd appreciate it.

03:40:35 - 03:40:36[speaker unknown]Thanks a lot.


03:40:36 - 03:40:41John CushingIt's, it's definitely the focus point in the Gulf of Mexico region, definitely, and I can, I can put you in touch with the right people there.

03:40:44 - 03:40:58Marshall PerezOk, thank you, mister Murphy has previously indicated, he does not have any comment, So we'll move on to mister Jim Rocco of IDC, mister Rucker.

03:40:59 - 03:41:01Jim RoccoMarshall, can you hear me OK?

03:41:01 - 03:41:02Marshall PerezHey, you loud and clear?

03:41:03 - 03:41:06Jim RoccoAll right, Let me, Goal that.

03:41:06 - 03:41:13Jim RoccoI got to grab my, my slide show, and then share that.

03:41:22 - 03:41:26

Jim RoccoThey can see up here.

03:41:35 - 03:41:36Jim RoccoPresentation.

03:41:38 - 03:41:39Jim RoccoYou see that presentation mode?

03:41:40 - 03:41:41Marshall PerezYes, We see the whole thing.

03:41:42 - 03:41:50Jim RoccoVery good, OK, All right, well, thanks for allowing me to provide you all with an update today.

03:41:53 - 03:42:03Jim RoccoJust got a few few slides here, just going to bring you up to speed on some things, work along with some engagement that IDC has had IMO.

03:42:04 - 03:42:12Jim RoccoBut first off, I just wanted to bring everyone's attention, the Kogod Coronavirus webpage that IDC has available on its website.

03:42:12 - 03:42:16Jim RoccoWe begin compiling.

03:42:19 - 03:42:27Jim RoccoAny kind of resource we stumbled across or were directed to that related to

Rotavirus and its application to the upstream.

03:42:27 - 03:42:41Jim RoccoSo you go to that link there on the slide, you'll probably find a lot more information than you ever thought you wanted to run a virus, broken down by, Industry Resources and Country.

03:42:42 - 03:42:44Jim RoccoSo, a lot of good information there.

03:42:44 - 03:42:51Jim RoccoAnd, if for some reason at this stage of the game, you need some direction as to where it makes it.

03:42:51 - 03:42:51Jim RoccoSo.

03:42:53 - 03:42:56Marshall PerezJim, on your presentation, you have a popup screen on it so.

03:42:56 - 03:42:57Jim RoccoWe can't see.

03:42:57 - 03:42:58Marshall PerezThe whole link.

03:42:58 - 03:43:00Marshall PerezWe have the presenter's screen and not.

03:43:00 - 03:43:05Jim RoccoThe screen, OK, Hold on a minute because I'm looking at let me see here.

03:43:08 - 03:43:09Marshall PerezThere.

03:43:11 - 03:43:13Jim RoccoOk, so, did you see that?


03:43:15 - 03:43:17Jim RoccoOk, let me try that one more time.

03:43:18 - 03:43:21Marshall PerezSo, if you need to swap the screens you're sharing because we have the presenter's screen.

03:43:24 - 03:43:24Jim RoccoYeah.

03:43:28 - 03:43:28[speaker unknown]I do.

03:43:34 - 03:43:35[speaker unknown]Oh.

03:43:42 - 03:43:43Jim RoccoBack?

03:43:46 - 03:43:52Jim RoccoFor some reason, Marvell it's not letting me go to presentation is that presentation.

03:43:52 - 03:43:53Jim RoccoYou get it now.

03:43:53 - 03:43:56Marshall PerezI'm in the presentation mode but it's the presenter's screen with the notes and all.

03:43:58 - 03:43:58Jim RoccoSpeaker.

03:43:58 - 03:43:59Marshall PerezNotes.

03:44:01 - 03:44:01Jim RoccoI will.

03:44:01 - 03:44:02Marshall PerezGo with it.

03:44:03 - 03:44:08Jim RoccoWell, the notes, the notes there don't correspond necessarily what I'm talking about.

03:44:10 - 03:44:11Jim RoccoBear with me here.

03:44:12 - 03:44:17Jim RoccoUh, OK, so anyway, is that better?

03:44:17 - 03:44:17Jim RoccoIs that work?

03:44:17 - 03:44:18Marshall PerezYeah, it's probably better.

03:44:19 - 03:44:22Jim RoccoOk, all right, so.

03:44:24 - 03:44:28Jim RoccoAnyway, that's, that's the IEC, Kobo, webpage.

03:44:28 - 03:44:34Jim RoccoIf you have any questions, feel free to hit me up, I'd be happy to walk you through any further detail.

03:44:34 - 03:44:35Jim RoccoYou might require that.

03:44:36 - 03:44:37Jim RoccoUm.

03:44:41 - 03:44:42Jim RoccoUh.

03:44:45 - 03:44:55Jim RoccoSo, since the advent of the Coronavirus, IDC has gotten together with the other international organizations you see listed there.

03:44:56 - 03:45:01Jim RoccoIn particular, to try and make some sense around this issue.

03:45:03 - 03:45:18Jim RoccoUh, upstream personnel transport around the world, and the ability to come and go to be admitted in the countries to go to work, being able to leave facilities to deal with them all.

03:45:18 - 03:45:20Jim RoccoOnce your itch, we did.

03:45:21 - 03:45:30Jim RoccoAnd so, we've been collaborating over the entire time with different viruses trying to facilitate this, particularly on this, on this front.

03:45:31 - 03:45:38Jim RoccoAnd we've had some measure of success in some areas of the world, and not so much in other areas of the world, such as the Middle East.

03:45:40 - 03:45:42Jim RoccoBut, we continue to work on that.

03:45:42 - 03:45:45Jim RoccoSome of you may know there is a UN meeting this week.

03:45:47 - 03:45:57Jim RoccoAnd one of the top priority items is this issue of personnel, being able to move throughout the world, where necessary.

03:45:58 - 03:46:05Jim RoccoAnd much of the concern is coming to the forefront as it relates, particularly to maritime transport.

03:46:05 - 03:46:08Jim RoccoOf course, the offshore industry is included in that to some extent.

03:46:08 - 03:46:16Jim RoccoBut there are folks merit, or the Board vessels for access over a year over that.

03:46:18 - 03:46:20Jim RoccoWorked out, just preceding the virus.

03:46:20 - 03:46:20Jim RoccoPeriod.

03:46:20 - 03:46:23Jim RoccoYou know, they would do with their assignments.

03:46:23 - 03:46:25Jim Rocco

And then lo and behold.

03:46:27 - 03:46:31Jim RoccoSo that the urgency with which to get that resolved is, is.

03:46:34 - 03:46:38Jim RoccoA top priority for wait, and see what comes out of that UN meeting.

03:46:39 - 03:46:47Jim RoccoThis week is as far as anything that collectively, you know, the government agreed to allow to facilitate.

03:46:51 - 03:46:52Jim RoccoSwitching the IMO.

03:46:52 - 03:47:03Jim RoccoSo, as we have, as you see, has been, for some time, now, keep an eye on the development of this new chapter source and the corresponding.

03:47:07 - 03:47:15Jim RoccoOh, that would address the onshore lifting, appliances and winches issue.

03:47:15 - 03:47:31Jim RoccoAnd so, of course, as it pertains to produce, modu has had the luxury of chapter 12 as the free world already addresses lifting as it relates to promoters.

03:47:31 - 03:47:40Jim RoccoAnd so, right now, ADCs, just monitoring the developments there, or making sure that those issues state separately part.

03:47:41 - 03:47:48Jim RoccoBut, for others, it would be probably a good idea to keep an eye on that and see how things are progressing there.

03:47:48 - 03:47:53Jim RoccoI know that postcard standards offices on top of this issue.

03:47:56 - 03:47:57Jim RoccoRelated to vessels.

03:48:01 - 03:48:10Jim RoccoThen, once again, another issue at IMO that's being monitored is the development of industrial personnel category of persons on vessels.

03:48:10 - 03:48:17Jim RoccoAs many of you know, historically, there have been two types of versus onboard the vessel, which is passengers.

03:48:19 - 03:48:25Jim RoccoAnd so a couple of years back, the IMO decided it was on there'll be a third category identified.

03:48:28 - 03:48:38Jim RoccoSo, corresponding to this issue, New Chapter Solis is being currently with the corresponding personal goal.

03:48:38 - 03:49:07Jim RoccoSo it's interesting to see how these things coming together because much of the challenge to working with addressing this issue is trying to decide how to how to go

into your vessel design and construction to accommodate your personnel without overreaching and encroaching already established those requirements as they exist.

03:49:08 - 03:49:10Jim RoccoSo, much more to come on that.

03:49:10 - 03:49:23Jim RoccoAnd of course, as with the lifting issue, models have another way to get out of jail free power, which is that assembly resolution since 17 98, which identifies.

03:49:26 - 03:49:29Jim RoccoOffshore identifies upward personnel.

03:49:31 - 03:49:32Jim RoccoApart from industrials.

03:49:33 - 03:49:56Jim RoccoSo, when the When the definition, the scoping definition of this issue was established, particular care was taken, taken in the application, to have this effort address, only those persons who are, who are accommodated or weren't being on board.

03:49:57 - 03:49:59Jim RoccoSo, or, I'm sorry, ...

03:49:59 - 03:50:07Jim RoccoAnd Transport working on board does not, necessarily personnel.

03:50:07 - 03:50:12Jim Rocco

So, you want to keep working on boards being transported or accommodate.

03:50:15 - 03:50:15Jim RoccoBy this point.

03:50:16 - 03:50:18Jim RoccoOnce it's once it's on.

03:50:21 - 03:50:36Jim RoccoAnd then thirdly, again, at the, at the IMO level, IDC has been interacting with the International Association of Classification Societies on this particular issue in the code in Chapter six.

03:50:36 - 03:50:40Jim RoccoAnd it specifically deals with hazardous.

03:50:43 - 03:50:59Jim RoccoAnd, there are some in the industry that, that, the thing that, the existing content in that chapter addressing hazardous equipment, it's not clear enough.

03:51:00 - 03:51:03Jim RoccoSo, there has been posited by I X.

03:51:04 - 03:51:07Jim RoccoA suggestion that day?

03:51:09 - 03:51:13Jim RoccoThat discussion, that description and attacks become a bit more detail.

03:51:14 - 03:51:17Jim RoccoSo, I think it was about a year ago, a little more than a year ago, at?

03:51:20 - 03:51:25Jim RoccoThe ship, Systems and Equipment subcommittee that I introduce.

03:51:27 - 03:51:46Jim RoccoOh, motion to start a work program to provide that clarification And several flag states along with IEC intervene and said that it needed to be worked on a little bit more, or IMO, was fully entertainment.

03:51:46 - 03:51:47Jim RoccoSo that was put on hold.

03:51:48 - 03:51:53Jim RoccoAnd since then, I X and the IEC have been in conversation directly with each other.

03:51:54 - 03:52:02Jim RoccoWe try to hammer out what we think the draft should look like when it goes back to the IMO consideration.

03:52:02 - 03:52:10Jim RoccoAnd what you see on that third point IDC position statement, that tax right there, that's the crux of the tax that was provided.

03:52:12 - 03:52:25Jim RoccoSay that I, that I D C, would sign on a joint paper width by X two, to push this forward, so long as that tax was included in that.

03:52:26 - 03:52:37Jim RoccoSo, what we're trying to avoid here is, of course, many, many things with good intentions and the somewhat otherwise, if you're not careful, and this would be one.

03:52:38 - 03:52:42Jim RoccoSo, what we want to avoid is, specifically with.

03:52:45 - 03:53:04Jim RoccoFocus on this Chapter six, burbidge, as well, is currently in the movie, what, initially, what the change was, was to address hazardous equipment That was not inside the space that happened to be outside of the hazards.

03:53:05 - 03:53:16Jim RoccoAnd so, the concern was, will, of course, you know, if there's a hazardous environment that occurs unexpectedly, the vapors don't stop at that line.

03:53:19 - 03:53:20Jim RoccoBetween Zone one.

03:53:20 - 03:53:20Jim RoccoZone two.

03:53:22 - 03:53:40Jim RoccoSo, so, it was thought that there was further focus necessary somehow account for that equipment that was outside, that could not be isolated in such a service and possibly wouldn't should be hazardous zone, right?

03:53:41 - 03:53:51Jim RoccoAnd so, the concern there was that, essentially, you might have hazardous zone

rated equipment across the entire.

03:53:53 - 03:53:54Jim RoccoMain deck or even more.

03:53:54 - 03:54:06Jim RoccoSo, multi depths, where the equipment is outside because you really have drawn a line where absolutely necessary, we have to worry about it.

03:54:07 - 03:54:10Jim RoccoSo this spot, the text will help to clarify.

03:54:11 - 03:54:22Jim RoccoSo where the situation is currently is, we are waiting for feedback on the symptoms are position actually several months ago.

03:54:22 - 03:54:30Jim RoccoI have a callback into them saying, Hey, you know, you update us where you guys are finalizing graph paper to be submitted.

03:54:31 - 03:54:45Jim RoccoAnd if this continues on its force, as I would expect, at the next meeting of the slip systems and equipment subcommittee, probably in March 2021, that this would be introduced, and then it might.

03:54:47 - 03:54:49Jim RoccoSo, that's that.

03:54:50 - 03:54:51Jim Rocco

And just just kind of another point.

03:54:53 - 03:55:04Jim RoccoIn June, the 20 20 addendum to the 2009 model code, we're always been molded code.

03:55:04 - 03:55:10Jim RoccoSo, just anybody's edification, we want the latest and greatest hard copy of the code.

03:55:11 - 03:55:11Jim RoccoIt's now.

03:55:13 - 03:55:15Jim RoccoAnd then, just as a side note.

03:55:15 - 03:55:24Jim RoccoI've been recently talked with the IOT aviation concerns, offshore aviation concerns.

03:55:24 - 03:55:35Jim RoccoAnd so, uh, IDC will probably be entertaining some issues involving HeLa decks and.

03:55:37 - 03:55:46Jim RoccoHelicopter, landing officer, and other training, specifically related to helicopter, activity and evolutions on board.

03:55:49 - 03:55:50Jim RoccoProduction facilities.

03:55:50 - 03:55:56

Jim RoccoSo, if anybody has any issues, or any ideas, or things you need to be paid.

03:55:59 - 03:55:59Jim RoccoFor.

03:55:59 - 03:56:01Jim RoccoAviation, feel free to hit me up.

03:56:04 - 03:56:09Jim RoccoSo, I think that's all I've got today, unless there are questions.

03:56:14 - 03:56:21Marshall PerezThank you, mister Rocco, for the Update On Regulatory happenings, currently.

03:56:23 - 03:56:34Marshall PerezAnd I want to encourage anyone who has interest as she was going on as input, to, please get in touch, mister Rocco, outside of the meeting, so you can help add value.

03:56:35 - 03:56:45Marshall PerezI know I was part of the the conversations on the hazardous area issues with I X and their verbiage last year.

03:56:45 - 03:56:51Marshall PerezSo, I have some interest there, myself, as any other comments or questions from committee members.

03:56:56 - 03:56:59Marshall PerezThe general public, you have any questions for mister Rucker?

03:57:05 - 03:57:12Marshall PerezOk, thank you, again, mister Rocco, for your continued support participation with Nosek.

03:57:13 - 03:57:16Marshall PerezThat concludes the new business portion of today's agenda.

03:57:17 - 03:57:20Marshall PerezWe will now move on to the nosek committee discussions.

03:57:20 - 03:57:31Marshall PerezThis is a time for committee members to discuss current and future nozick related issues, Future agenda items, or request for information from the Coast Guard on particular matters.

03:57:33 - 03:57:37Marshall PerezAre there any other comments from committee, discussion for committee discussion?

03:57:40 - 03:57:43Tom HoranMarshall, this is Tom to be recognized.

03:57:44 - 03:57:44Marshall PerezTomi recognized.

03:57:46 - 03:57:48Tom HoranTom Moran offshore drilling.

03:57:48 - 03:57:57

Tom HoranI wanted to go back to the discussion we're having on possible solutions for the cable connector's issue.

03:57:57 - 03:58:01Tom HoranAnd if you just give me a couple of seconds, I cycled back on what I was going to ask.

03:58:04 - 03:58:09Tom HoranTwo questions and simple yes slash no or possible.

03:58:10 - 03:58:22Tom HoranIn the first one is, a bit off base is silly, because I don't, I'm not fully fluent in the process, but I was wondering if the cable connection issue could be handled through the type approval process.

03:58:31 - 03:58:31Tom HoranHundred 11.

03:58:45 - 03:58:46Marshall PerezHarlot, highly still on the line.

03:58:48 - 03:58:50Harley BatesHey, Tom.

03:58:57 - 03:59:07Harley BatesEach.

03:59:10 - 03:59:14Harley BatesSo, sorry about that, Got too many things going on at one time.

03:59:16 - 03:59:31Harley BatesYeah, it's hard for us to, to, necessarily answered at the base, shown the way that, what, I'll say, this, because, it's a different directory.

03:59:31 - 03:59:34Harley BatesIt did, actually does that, as far as, our Coast Guard type approval.

03:59:34 - 03:59:46Harley BatesBut, as you're well aware, you know, that everything in, that, in the current Coast Guard approved Lifeboats comes out at LSA and LSA, spells out some, some things, that are required for.

03:59:48 - 04:00:01Harley BatesControl cables that they have to meet, but if you go look at it, it's not real detailed, other than having to meet certain operational criteria.

04:00:01 - 04:00:11Harley BatesAnd, you know, the, the, the hook itself, not being able to transmit sirte forces back into the cable or the corrosion factors.

04:00:11 - 04:00:19Harley BatesBut, no, it would take a change in regulations.

04:00:19 - 04:00:32Harley BatesAre rulemaking process, you know, to to stipulate that more for the Coast Guard unless they were trying to, you know, augment what they have, You know, a detailed policy based on current regulations.

04:00:34 - 04:00:36Tom Horan

I think I'll take that as a no.

04:00:40 - 04:00:41Tom HoranNo, no, that's fine.

04:00:41 - 04:00:41Tom HoranI just don't understand.

04:00:42 - 04:00:47Tom HoranThen, the other question I had is, and maybe this is better left to live in.

04:00:47 - 04:00:57Tom HoranA task statement is addressing it as international level at IMLS, because as David mentioned, as I don't think we actually addressed to this level of detail.

04:00:57 - 04:01:01Tom HoranI'm not sure where we go wherever we go with that.

04:01:01 - 04:01:03Tom HoranBut maybe it's better left for a test statement and recommended.

04:01:07 - 04:01:09Marshall PerezThomas Marcia, I agree.

04:01:09 - 04:01:13Marshall PerezI mean, we can sit here and get in the weeds, but this isn't the place for solving the problem.

04:01:13 - 04:01:21

Marshall PerezSo, so, I think the right answer is let's get, the new Committee gets stood up Next year, we'll get a task statement, hopefully.

04:01:21 - 04:01:23Marshall PerezI believe we will.

04:01:23 - 04:01:28Marshall PerezThis is a very important subject for safety of offshore personnel and mariners globally.

04:01:29 - 04:01:36Marshall PerezSo, so, I think that'd be the appropriate place to address this because we can get more detail and provide better recommendations.

04:01:39 - 04:01:39Tom HoranConcur?

04:01:43 - 04:01:48Marshall PerezAlright, is there any other committee members with the comments or statements or other for the business?

04:01:50 - 04:01:51[speaker unknown]Yes, mister Chairman.

04:01:51 - 04:01:52[speaker unknown]This is our buddy.

04:01:53 - 04:01:53Marshall Perez

Go ahead, buddy.



04:01:55 - 04:02:04[speaker unknown]Uh, just, you know, reviewing the agenda in our discussions and everything, and all the task statements that we generated over the years.

04:02:04 - 04:02:09[speaker unknown]And we've had probably literally hundreds of recommendations.

04:02:09 - 04:02:12[speaker unknown]I know the Coast Guard has now a good database, try to track all those.

04:02:12 - 04:02:18[speaker unknown]I was wondering in future meetings, if we can have a just kind of a standing brief, I could do it more add in.

04:02:19 - 04:02:26[speaker unknown]I ADC and Betsy and everything for the Coast Guard, just to give us an update on some of the recommendations.

04:02:26 - 04:02:36[speaker unknown]Obviously, not to go through the entire database, that just hit some high points, any significant new development space, that all the recommendations for the various,

that task.

04:02:36 - 04:02:37Harley BatesStatements.

04:02:37 - 04:02:42[speaker unknown]That would be good for us to understand that, as well as the community, The industry.

04:02:43 - 04:02:49[speaker unknown]That's just something that put down as possible, a standing agenda item understood.

04:02:50 - 04:02:56Marshall PerezSo your recommendation is to bring it from once a year, spring meeting, to most meetings.

04:02:57 - 04:02:58[speaker unknown]Yeah, I think So.

04:02:58 - 04:03:06[speaker unknown]It's just And just to highlight, you know, if there's been any significant developments over a particular recommendation, over the past six months or so.

04:03:07 - 04:03:12Marshall PerezOk, so, maybe the normal, suddenly sprang, but if there's been any changes, or highlights.

04:03:13 - 04:03:15Marshall PerezTo bring up for the fall, it's even a little bit higher level.


04:03:16 - 04:03:17[speaker unknown]Millimeter.

04:03:20 - 04:03:21[speaker unknown]That's all, thank you.


04:03:23 - 04:03:26Marshall PerezAny other comments from committee members, business?

04:03:30 - 04:03:32Harley BatesOk, we.

04:03:32 - 04:03:33Marshall PerezWill now be public.

04:03:33 - 04:03:34Harley BatesComment period.

04:03:34 - 04:03:34Harley BatesWe have.

04:03:34 - 04:03:39Marshall PerezReceived one written comment for entry into the record for.

04:03:39 - 04:03:39Harley BatesPublic.

04:03:42 - 04:03:42Marshall PerezComment.

04:03:45 - 04:03:46Harley BatesSomeone needs to.

04:03:48 - 04:03:49Marshall PerezMute their line hardly.

04:03:49 - 04:03:50Marshall PerezCan you mute?

04:03:52 - 04:03:53Marshall PerezI think your line's open.

04:03:56 - 04:03:59Marshall PerezAll right, so after the one written comments written into the record.

04:04:01 - 04:04:03Marshall PerezOpen it up for speakers.

04:04:03 - 04:04:10Marshall PerezEach speaker is requested to limit their speaking period of two minutes or less in order to ensure that all members of the public.

04:04:10 - 04:04:11Harley BatesWishing.

04:04:29 - 04:04:29Harley BatesProbably needs to.

04:04:29 - 04:04:30Marshall PerezBe muted.

04:04:35 - 04:04:37Marshall PerezAll right, I did it manually here.

04:04:39 - 04:04:47Marshall PerezSo, two minutes or less in order to ensure that all members of the public wishing to speak are afforded time to do so.

04:04:47 - 04:04:52Marshall PerezPlease introduce yourself providing your name and the organization you represent before you speak.

04:04:52 - 04:04:53Marshall PerezPlease speak clearly.

04:04:53 - 04:04:58Marshall Perez

Hold the microphone close to your mouth to ensure your comments are actually recorded.

04:04:58 - 04:05:01Marshall PerezAs a reminder, this is your opportunity to address nosek with.

04:05:02 - 04:05:05Marshall PerezYour ideas are concerned to be included on the official record.

04:05:06 - 04:05:13Marshall PerezThis is not an opportunity to engage nosek in a debate or discuss matters, not relevant to the offshore oil and gas industry.

04:05:16 - 04:05:27Marshall PerezSo the one written comment we have is from one of our former colleagues and longtime nosek Chairman, mister Gene Face facie.

04:05:28 - 04:05:33Marshall PerezHe was wanted to attend, but it was not able to participate today.

04:05:34 - 04:05:37Marshall PerezJudah other items.

04:05:37 - 04:05:40Marshall PerezBut he, his message, he said, just is no regrets.

04:05:40 - 04:05:52Marshall PerezHe couldn't participate when it expresses a parting thoughts about the Committee considering that the committee is if discretionary committee is is ending in this final

meeting of the discretionary Committee.

04:05:52 - 04:05:55Marshall PerezAnd we have a new statutory committee starting up next year.

04:05:56 - 04:06:12Marshall PerezThe Subcommittee Final Report to be acted upon today is yet another example of the quality of work that the Committee has done in response to the Coast Guard request for input on a number of issues related to safety on the US OCS.

04:06:12 - 04:06:23Marshall PerezFor the present and past members of the committee, many who I served with, my congratulations on both their service and input to the important matters presented to them.

04:06:24 - 04:06:33Marshall PerezI'm sure that the new nosek, once formed will also meet the continued expectations of the Coast Guard, all the best to you and members of the committee.

04:06:34 - 04:06:34Marshall PerezJean.

04:06:36 - 04:06:39Marshall PerezOk, so, from there.

04:06:41 - 04:06:46Marshall PerezThere are any members of the public that wish to be recognized and provide comment?

04:06:50 - 04:06:51[speaker unknown]

Yeah, Marshall, can you hear me?

04:06:52 - 04:06:53Marshall PerezYes, Eric.

04:06:56 - 04:07:14[speaker unknown]Because it sounds like it will also note to end on Just a couple of comments I'll make that didn't get to make earlier is several OEMs for life boats and their maintenance manual require that, once a month, be taken, all flowed onto the maintenance.

04:07:14 - 04:07:19[speaker unknown]And the hooks opened and closed.

04:07:19 - 04:07:25[speaker unknown]And I got to thinking earlier, said that they did 12 times.

04:07:26 - 04:07:36[speaker unknown]Just something to keep in mind is that not everyone is on board with that, and when pressed the SD, wan, manufacture this recommendation in there.

04:07:36 - 04:07:45[speaker unknown]I didn't really get a good answer, but just my guess, my comment is no, look real carefully.

04:07:45 - 04:07:47[speaker unknown]What your maintenance manual recommends.

04:07:47 - 04:08:01[speaker unknown]But, at the end of the day, balance it with your own safety culture, to determine if the benefits of doing a certain maintenance operation, or in accordance with any

risks associated with it.

04:08:02 - 04:08:11[speaker unknown]The other thing I did want to mention is I do appreciate the presentation today, which definitely share with as many people in.

04:08:11 - 04:08:20[speaker unknown]My organization's as soon as possible, I didn't notice that, the sasser bait or should say it didn't.

04:08:21 - 04:08:35[speaker unknown]Again, the detail about the actual components, the materials of the of the particular cable is here and that was probably a good reason for that, I'm sure will be addressed to the report.

04:08:36 - 04:08:40[speaker unknown]Mainly the metal components I understand there was a polyurethane liner and all that good stuff.

04:08:42 - 04:08:49[speaker unknown]Just what I took from that, what I'd recommend everyone to do, is, you know, just remember what we learn as mayors with dissimilar metals.

04:08:49 - 04:09:01[speaker unknown]I am surprised that, I guess it's been so ingrained in us about galvanic corrosion from the time we worked with this, that not everyone in the industry really clearly understands that.

04:09:03 - 04:09:04[speaker unknown]And that's, that's all I have to say.

04:09:04 - 04:09:05[speaker unknown]I appreciate everyone.

04:09:05 - 04:09:06[speaker unknown]Let me speak my piece.

04:09:09 - 04:09:11Marshall PerezThank you, mister ..., for your comments and input.

04:09:12 - 04:09:14Marshall PerezAny other comments from the general public?

04:09:23 - 04:09:26Marshall PerezMister Jim, measure, you speak, and you're on mute.

04:09:30 - 04:09:31Marshall PerezCan't hear you.

04:09:33 - 04:09:35[speaker unknown]Yeah, and I mean, I got.

04:09:35 - 04:09:36Marshall PerezYou loud and clear, sir.

04:09:36 - 04:09:37[speaker unknown]Can you hear me?

04:09:38 - 04:09:40Marshall PerezLoud and clear, loud, and clear?

04:09:40 - 04:09:41[speaker unknown]Ok.

04:09:43 - 04:09:50[speaker unknown]Just to introduce myself, I retired from the Coast Guard I versus civilian with the Coast Guard for many years, retired 10 years ago.

04:09:51 - 04:09:55[speaker unknown]And before that, I worked for the driving contractors through different contractors.

04:09:55 - 04:10:02[speaker unknown]And even before that, when I worked in Hardin worse, I was never an architect to I started.

04:10:02 - 04:10:08[speaker unknown]I have no comments or anything, just say, I want to thank them for allowing me to say a few words.

04:10:09 - 04:10:23[speaker unknown]I thought, I would just, I think that the historian off Coast Guard on the offshore drilling and sure, things are just a few comments about the history of Nosek and the beginning.

04:10:23 - 04:10:30[speaker unknown]And I started, which incidentally, May may be an interesting Cincinnati.

04:10:30 - 04:10:33[speaker unknown]They're going to have to have a new nosek charter.

04:10:35 - 04:10:41[speaker unknown]But anyway, yeah, the charter was first established in August of 1988.

04:10:41 - 04:10:45[speaker unknown]This turns out very active time, the offshore industry.

04:10:45 - 04:11:05[speaker unknown]And we're there, For example, we had our first stack, t.l.p., konica, would surely app, and the Coast Guard where we were, we were wrestling with the regulations, and we were just use your API, or P two T, so many other things like that, Which really appropriate to have a charity.

04:11:05 - 04:11:19[speaker unknown]Because, before that, we had meetings with the different industries, and people like IDC, and an API, and the fastest, and he's never had anything as powerful as having the notion, that charter.

04:11:20 - 04:11:38[speaker unknown]So we did, when we started off now and that's ..., we did have a good friend, some of you may remember him, Congressmen Belli television, was the chairman of the subcommittee, the transportation, the Maritime and transportation subcommittee.

04:11:39 - 04:11:44[speaker unknown]So he was really going to help us a lot and getting the first charter, I don't know what you're going to do now.

04:11:44 - 04:11:47

[speaker unknown]Yeah, my underwear and doing all of this again.

04:11:48 - 04:11:48[speaker unknown]But, yeah.

04:11:48 - 04:11:49[speaker unknown]No, there's no catch.

04:11:50 - 04:11:53[speaker unknown]I had a request to the Coast Guard.

04:11:54 - 04:12:00[speaker unknown]He wanted the Coast Guard to investigate making it mandatory to have all stand-by vessels.

04:12:00 - 04:12:04[speaker unknown]And after these, he had actually, yeah, I believe it is.

04:12:04 - 04:12:06[speaker unknown]There's a lot of idle fishing vessels, and he wanted to help them.

04:12:07 - 04:12:16[speaker unknown]But that, which act on that and then it ended up that we're going to be making them mad, or do the best that is a bigger, bigger risk.

04:12:18 - 04:12:21[speaker unknown]I start off at that any ...

04:12:22 - 04:12:26[speaker unknown]Command around the State why's the he was sad.

04:12:26 - 04:12:29[speaker unknown]At that time, we had the offshore activity's branch.

04:12:30 - 04:12:35[speaker unknown]Randy was chief privacy Officer, Kevin, each branch, and he worked with ...

04:12:35 - 04:12:39[speaker unknown]On to get to chart a goat, and actually, I talked to branded there last week.

04:12:39 - 04:12:43[speaker unknown]And he was very excited to patent the iPad is going to, on my side.

04:12:43 - 04:12:47[speaker unknown]Was told on everything, but we did get the charter approved.

04:12:48 - 04:12:59[speaker unknown]And that meant that that Randy was the First Nosek executive Director, Chris, hashtag called that designated Federal Officer.

04:12:59 - 04:13:12[speaker unknown]Commander West is, and he appointed, a lot of you may remember this Coast Guard, the Tank commander, Steve, second on individual, yeah, ...

04:13:12 - 04:13:12[speaker unknown]

Passed away.

04:13:13 - 04:13:24[speaker unknown]And he was the Assistant Executive Director, but only for a couple of meetings, because he was then decided to hire a project, which he wished he had to represent the Coast Guard.

04:13:24 - 04:13:36[speaker unknown]Then investigation, ..., everyone guerrilla jackup, we all know that this was last trial attempting, a wet tow, from Canada to the UK, North Sea in December.

04:13:36 - 04:13:41[speaker unknown]Had some of that which kinda crazy, but that command is Steve did a good job.

04:13:41 - 04:13:46[speaker unknown]And then we should report the Coast Guard and the Canadian Coast Guard at a really good report in that.

04:13:46 - 04:13:58[speaker unknown]So after Steve Ran ran, they had me take over from Steve as the executive director, and which I had until I retired in 2010, which is about 20 years.

04:13:59 - 04:14:05[speaker unknown]I just make a little bit of pride embeds the early things have no sacked and I'm not sure why you do this or not.

04:14:05 - 04:14:14[speaker unknown]But we find out and the early history, I was actually initially it and that one was the pre meeting dinner.

04:14:15 - 04:14:28

[speaker unknown]We found out that everybody coming in, the meeting tour on Thursday, and Everybody's Liliana, a Wednesday morning, and there was a meeting dinners subcommittee meetings.

04:14:29 - 04:14:40[speaker unknown]And then Marketing of Wednesday and everybody was as afterwards, were getting together little groups and go to restaurants, and we thought, well, why don't we all get together?

04:14:41 - 04:14:42[speaker unknown]And have a committee?

04:14:42 - 04:14:51[speaker unknown]And the other folks that were involved and and select a nice restaurant, and we could go there and that.

04:14:51 - 04:14:58[speaker unknown]We could discuss the next day's agenda in a much more relaxed atmosphere.

04:14:58 - 04:15:05[speaker unknown]So that's kind of a pre meeting dinner was established, and I think I've been on it may still be going on that I'm not sure.

04:15:06 - 04:15:15[speaker unknown]And the second thing we establish versus site visits, and we find out, again, on the Wednesday, Wednesday afternoon was basically vacant.

04:15:15 - 04:15:21[speaker unknown]So, we had a number of Contributors column, X number of quit site visits.

04:15:21 - 04:15:33[speaker unknown]One in particular, had worked for, for shown it, as it was called, An and Discover seven seas, DP drone ship which in Galveston Bay and reset it and get some things done.

04:15:34 - 04:15:38[speaker unknown]To add it there, I would call Genius here.

04:15:38 - 04:15:47[speaker unknown]I'm sure he would agree with that point that I too, but we also our last visit to Perl never add, or who was a member of ...

04:15:47 - 04:15:48[speaker unknown]At that time.

04:15:48 - 04:15:52[speaker unknown]They had bought over the ability to Company B lab demand them.

04:15:52 - 04:16:03[speaker unknown]And we learn how they built the transfer and not the other licensing saint societies, but we actually have some new surprise essence, like I believe will have to auto candies and the runner.

04:16:06 - 04:16:22[speaker unknown]But I just am finished now, Sarah and my 20 years, I have a car with no shack, other meetings for a very well attended by the industry in a particular group, shi'a DC, I'm sorry, API in the trash societies.

04:16:22 - 04:16:27[speaker unknown]

And our other meetings that I have a car, revised, several enjoy, with one exception.

04:16:28 - 04:16:30[speaker unknown]And I have to practice one night.

04:16:30 - 04:16:41[speaker unknown]And the farm and a meeting meeting was held in the Coast Guard, Houston offices, and it, and we were alerted to this that might happen.

04:16:42 - 04:16:46[speaker unknown]And it was attended by a bus load of marine union members.

04:16:46 - 04:16:48[speaker unknown]And, of course, they were members are perfect.

04:16:48 - 04:16:52[speaker unknown]So they were all admitted, and everything went back.

04:16:53 - 04:16:59[speaker unknown]Sign, their name, of course, was to make all the crews ...

04:16:59 - 04:17:01[speaker unknown]Boats, let folks unionized.

04:17:01 - 04:17:11[speaker unknown]And at that time, there, Swiss company wasn't big targets that they have been using, that they had been targeting ...

04:17:11 - 04:17:13

[speaker unknown]On the advisory committee.

04:17:14 - 04:17:22[speaker unknown]At the meeting, he got up to speak, Actually, he would say, Yeah, think Subcommittee, chairman, and it was nothing to do with Union, said, he was speaking.

04:17:22 - 04:17:35[speaker unknown]But, I mean, he got up, they started interacting and shot him dying, and that, the Coast Guard had to have them leave to, we can continue the meeting.

04:17:36 - 04:17:38[speaker unknown]And if I recall, Peter ...

04:17:38 - 04:17:46[speaker unknown]Was the Nosek Chairman, at that time, Don't have too much more to say, rather to provide that some of the good people, than the years.

04:17:46 - 04:18:05[speaker unknown]And I recall it for like Chuck ..., who was a ADC Chairman, Barbara Layer Amscot, and of course, Peter ..., Chairman of fact, no check for a long time, John Ryan, and ..., and another lady who was really worth mentioning was Margaret Macmillan.

04:18:06 - 04:18:17[speaker unknown]Margaret was a great lady because she had invented the dunker training for helicopters, and I know there's a Coast Guard used to go to there, but that, of course.

04:18:19 - 04:18:26[speaker unknown]Dannenberg, and that's maybe listening in here Now, which Ms. MMS at that time, but he pays retired.

04:18:27 - 04:18:29[speaker unknown]But that's about all I have to say.

04:18:29 - 04:18:37[speaker unknown]And I would like to wish Nosek all the best in their new charter, I never liked the same path for me, ramble on the past.

04:18:37 - 04:18:38[speaker unknown]And thank.

04:18:39 - 04:18:39[speaker unknown]You all very much.

04:18:41 - 04:18:42Marshall PerezThank you mister Jim.

04:18:42 - 04:18:44Marshall PerezAppreciate the history.

04:18:45 - 04:18:50Marshall PerezHopefully some of those names plus a few other Goodwin's Likenesses Nikki Candies was Patrice ...

04:18:50 - 04:18:51Marshall PerezA lot to hopefully.

04:18:52 - 04:19:02Marshall PerezWhen we have our next in person meeting will be the the first meeting of the new

nosek and hopefully they can join us in person as well as soon as other individuals.

04:19:02 - 04:19:02Marshall PerezThank you very.

04:19:02 - 04:19:02[speaker unknown]Much.

04:19:02 - 04:19:03[speaker unknown]All right.

04:19:04 - 04:19:12Marshall PerezSo, again, one more opportunity for members of the public, if there's anything else to speak of, that we need to bring up to the committee.

04:19:15 - 04:19:22Marshall PerezThank you for your comments to ensure that they are included in the public record and are available to nosek for consideration.

04:19:23 - 04:19:27Marshall PerezMister Clark, you have subsidized, sir.

04:19:28 - 04:19:29[speaker unknown]Yes, sir, mister Chairman.

04:19:29 - 04:19:30[speaker unknown]Thank you very much.

04:19:31 - 04:19:35

[speaker unknown]I'm going to keep my comments short for the ...

04:19:35 - 04:19:49[speaker unknown]Members, If I could get your, if you can get your home e-mailing addresses to miss her home home, mailing addresses to me so that we can get your certificates mailed out to you and ensure that you get them.

04:19:50 - 04:19:55[speaker unknown]I won't be as lengthy as mister McGill was.

04:19:55 - 04:19:56[speaker unknown]Thank you, Jeff.

04:19:58 - 04:20:13[speaker unknown]But it has been my honor to serve with all of the people who have been members of nosek, both in an official capacity, or working with the committees of the subcommittee work, and attending public meetings.

04:20:13 - 04:20:30[speaker unknown]I could give you a list, as long as my arm of all of the excellent recommendations in final reports at the Coast Guard has gotten from nosek, but rest assured that I will continue to be working with the new statutory committee Once it has stood up.

04:20:31 - 04:20:41[speaker unknown]And I will be working to rollover all of the outstanding recommendations that have not been completed over to the new committee with action for the committee.

04:20:43 - 04:20:48[speaker unknown]With that in mind, I have three task groups that I took away from this meeting.

04:20:49 - 04:20:55[speaker unknown]For the new statutory committee, one is to follow on with two tash Statements.

04:20:55 - 04:21:20[speaker unknown]One, once the Shell ogre incident is finalized, and those recommendations come out, to have a test statement on that, two, is a task statement looking at the presentation that the vice chairman made, then this Court, to try and provide a more timely update on the status of recommendations from the discretionary nosek to the Committee.

04:21:21 - 04:21:23[speaker unknown]But, my hats off to all of you.

04:21:23 - 04:21:28[speaker unknown]It is, indeed been my honor to work with you, and thank you very much, mister Chair.

04:21:28 - 04:21:29[speaker unknown]I yield.

04:21:30 - 04:21:31Marshall PerezThank you, Pat.

04:21:31 - 04:21:32Marshall PerezThank you very much.

04:21:32 - 04:21:36Marshall PerezYour tasker Actions are same as what I have.

04:21:37 - 04:21:37

Marshall PerezAlright.

04:21:37 - 04:21:40Marshall PerezI'll now turn the meeting over to Commander West.

04:21:51 - 04:21:51Marshall PerezCommander:.

04:21:52 - 04:21:53[speaker unknown]He must have his phone muted.

04:21:58 - 04:21:58[speaker unknown]Wow.

04:22:00 - 04:22:03[speaker unknown]Far far far, be it from me to take Commander.

04:22:03 - 04:22:07[speaker unknown]Oh yeah, Oh yeah, they're now, can you hear me?

04:22:07 - 04:22:08Marshall PerezYeah, yes, loud and clear.

04:22:09 - 04:22:11Marshall PerezI take that as a sign.

04:22:11 - 04:22:16Marshall Perez

Hey, you guys, I really appreciate all the presentations today.

04:22:16 - 04:22:16Marshall PerezThey were excellent.

04:22:16 - 04:22:18Marshall PerezI got a lot out of them.

04:22:18 - 04:22:24Marshall PerezI don't think I can add more than what Jim and Pat had said here for closing comments.

04:22:25 - 04:22:28Marshall PerezI look forward to the new statutory committee coming forward.

04:22:28 - 04:22:32Marshall PerezI appreciate everyone's hard work over the many years.

04:22:33 - 04:22:34Marshall PerezThat has gotten us to this point.

04:22:35 - 04:22:42Marshall PerezSo, on behalf of the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security and the comment on the Coast Guard, thank you very much for your service, I hand it back over to the Chairman.

04:22:57 - 04:22:59[speaker unknown]Marshall, are you muted, sir.

04:23:01 - 04:23:06Marshall PerezAbsolutely, that's all right.

04:23:06 - 04:23:09Marshall PerezThat means my misread of the.

04:23:10 - 04:23:12Marshall PerezThe next part was not recorded.

04:23:13 - 04:23:23Marshall PerezI will now entertain a motion to adjourn the 30 September 2020 nosek meeting and firmly stand down the discretionary version of the National Offshore Safety Advisory Committee.

04:23:25 - 04:23:25Marshall PerezMotion's, anyone?

04:23:28 - 04:23:28[speaker unknown]Tom?

04:23:31 - 04:23:33Marshall PerezThank you for your emotion or.

04:23:33 - 04:23:34Marshall PerezA second Second.

04:23:38 - 04:23:39Marshall Perez

Jim, thank you.

04:23:39 - 04:23:40Marshall PerezAll.

04:23:40 - 04:23:40Kim ParkerRight.

04:23:40 - 04:23:40Kim ParkerAll.

04:23:40 - 04:23:44Marshall PerezRight, vote to adjourn the meeting.

04:23:44 - 04:23:45Marshall PerezUh, yes.

04:23:47 - 04:23:48Kim ParkerI.

04:23:48 - 04:23:48[speaker unknown]Like.

04:23:49 - 04:23:50Chris WoodleAny.

04:23:50 - 04:23:53Marshall Perez

Nos knows.

04:23:54 - 04:24:01Marshall PerezAll right, the meeting is adjourned, and this concludes all activities associated with the discretionary National Offshore Safety Advisory Committee.

04:24:01 - 04:24:08Marshall PerezMany thanks to everyone, and I look forward to the inaugural meeting of the statutory National Offshore Safety Advisory Committee.

04:24:09 - 04:24:18Marshall PerezAnd right before the last piece, thank you to our supporters with the teleconference capabilities, O C.

04:24:19 - 04:24:20[speaker unknown]Yes, thank you, Stephanie.

04:24:21 - 04:24:23Marshall PerezThank you very much for your support.

04:24:24 - 04:24:24[speaker unknown]Use of the.

04:24:24 - 04:24:24Marshall PerezTool.

04:24:27 - 04:24:28Tom HoranA Marshall?

04:24:29 - 04:24:30Marshall PerezYes, sir, queries.

04:24:30 - 04:24:31Marshall PerezNow adjourn, yes.

04:24:32 - 04:24:33Tom HoranWe have a.

04:24:33 - 04:24:34[speaker unknown]Date for the next meeting?

04:24:35 - 04:24:35Marshall PerezNot yet.

04:24:36 - 04:24:38Tom HoranOk, thanks.

04:24:39 - 04:24:41[speaker unknown]Thank you very much, Stephanie.

04:24:41 - 04:24:41Jeremiah DardarThank you, Mark.

04:24:42 - 04:24:43David McKayThanks.

04:24:43 - 04:24:43[speaker unknown]All.

04:24:43 - 04:24:43David McKayI can.

04:24:43 - 04:24:44[speaker unknown]Say.

04:24:44 - 04:24:46[speaker unknown]I apologize for the painful day.

04:24:47 - 04:24:48Fallon DominiqueThank you, everyone.

04:24:49 - 04:24:49Kim ParkerThanks, everyone.

04:24:49 - 04:24:50[speaker unknown]Bye.

04:24:50 - 04:24:51Chris WoodleAirs.

04:24:55 - 04:24:56[speaker unknown]Yeah, we'll figure out.

04:24:58 - 04:24:58Claudio ZavalaHi, everybody.

04:25:00 - 04:25:01[speaker unknown]Greatly appreciate it.

04:25:01 - 04:25:01[speaker unknown]Thank you, ma'am.

04:25:04 - 04:25:05[speaker unknown]I'm out here.

04:25:08 - 04:25:08Roberto Herrera- IRI/The Marshall Islands RegistryThank you.

04:25:09 - 04:25:10[speaker unknown]Thanks, everyone.

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