SKN N0272R6Solar Keymark Network

20th Solar Keymark Network meetingFinal draft agenda (R6)2016-03-07, jen

Meeting time:Tuesday, March 8th, 2016, 13:00 - 19:00Wednesday, March 9th, 2016, 08:30 – 13:00

Meeting location:DINAm DIN-PlatzBurggrafenstraße 610787 Berlin, Germany

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Tuesday, March 8th, 13:00

ItemDecision/-resolution requested

Topic/content/responsibleRelated

documents /comments/details

1 Opening of the meeting /JFShort welcome and some practical information

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Introduction of participants /AllExcuses from:

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3 x Approval of the agenda /All

4 x Comments to the minutes of the 19th SKN meeting /HD/JF, All…

N0270R0_ _19MeetingMinutes pdf

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Date and place of next meeting(s) /JF/JEN 21st meeting: October Monday 17th, 13:00 hrs to October Tuesday 18th, 14:00 hrs, 2016, Crete, GR / V. Drosou, EHBE

Connected with CEN/TC 312 Plenary Meeting: 19th of October 2016 and maybe also ISO TC180: 20-21st of October? One long day Tuesday 18th ?Alternative is Frauenhofer ISE in Freiburg, DE

22nd meeting: March 7th 13:00 to March 8th 14:00, 2017, Madrid, ES / JF AENOR 23rd meeting: October October xxth, 13:00 hrs to October xxth, 14:00 hrs, 2017, , /

Note: The item “Next meeting” is put first in the agenda, as it is kind of decision item.

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Review of Decision list /JENAny need for follow-up?Make follow-up / check table for each meeting’s decisions like e.g.:

M19 Implemented Not implemented CommentsDecision 3, Inspection

Report(JF), WG for fees(JF), WG for data base(PD)

1 WG for including hydraulic flow schemes in data sheets(AB)), , WG for proposal 10 on families (AB)

Postponed for next meeting (SCF project and 1/3 of the WG is not with us anymore (Ralf Köbbeman has left), Proposal 10 to discussed in the CEN TC 312 WG1 for the revision of EN12975,

Resolution 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14

N0100R17_DecisionList pdf

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New collector data sheet / Patrik Ollas, SP et alOutcome of voting / JEPresentation of new data sheet /POProposal for resolution:The presented collector data sheet will be adopted as Annex B1 of Solar Keymark specific scheme rules.

ScenoCalc-v5.01-ISO9806-locked.zip

CollectorDataSheet_V5.01.pdf

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Proposal for decision – WG for further maintenance/streamlining/improvements of collector data sheet / Andreas BohrenEstablish a working group to deal with further discussions concerning the collector data sheet, e.g.:

Separation of ScenoCalc from collector data sheet (annual output calculated by ScenoCalc no longer part of data sheet – but ScenoCalc still available from and recommended by the SKN)

Indication of uncertainty on values Others

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A recent Complaint / JFA recent complaint will be explained in a confidential manner (this means that the names of the license holder affected, CB under the complaint, and the complainants are not to be mentioned). The process and steps of the complaint are explained. This complaint has shown the need for an improvement in the system in these areas:

The process for complaints has to be found in one place of the Specific Rules The process for complaints has to apply to all types of companies or KM operators If the complainant is not satisfied by the answer of the CB, it must be able to appeal clearly to CEN There has to be a clear explanation on the procedure for changing the Keymark Certificates and KM database There can be help from an external auditor or referee working group in retest procedures and this can be further

explainedThere may be a case when there is a retest from a lab and a special test at the same time, and there must be a clear procedure for decision making with so many tests at the same time

Presentation to come

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Proposal for Resolution- A Resolution is presented to create a new and complete procedure for complaints, with its own section in the Specific Rules / JFThis resolution for a complete procedure for complains is prepared in a short period of time and therefore may need a working group for some further fine-tuning and receiving more input. The document may also be approved as an SKN document and a guide until the WG improves the resolution for the next SKN meeting. This resolution answers to the questions in the section above and also takes into account the following proposals listed below:

Proposal for elaborating a procedure how to deal with doubtful or wrong data sheets already being published on the SK website/HDProposal for decision: Establish WG (could be the full CB WG and others?) to elaborate such procedure for the next SKN meeting.Idea for one work item for such WG: Include uncertainty on main parameters in data sheets

Since it might take some time until the above working group has elaborated an appropriate procedure and until this procedure is approved by the Solar Keymark Network, the following resolution is proposed in order to avoid that doubtful or wrong data sheets appear unchanged for a relatively long time period in the Solar Keymark database.Proposal for Resolution. Dealing with doubtful or wrong data sheets already being published on the SK website /HDIf official complains related to a specific Solar Keymark data sheets are send by at least three different and independent test laboratories and at least three different and independent manufacturers or solar thermal industry associations to a certification body the certification body it is requested to immediately either remove the related Solar Keymark data sheet from the Solar Keymark data base or to blacken the doubtful data as well as all data resulting from this doubtful data.Note: This means e.g. that if the collector reference area is doubted also the collector efficiency parameters as well as the values for the annual collector output have to be blackened as they are directly influenced by the collector reference area.

Proposal for elaborating a procedure how to deal with complaint about certification bodies/HDThe present document “SKN_N0106AnnexI_R0” is named “Annex I to Solar Keymark specific scheme rules:Complaints Related to Solar KEYMARK Testing Laboratories and Inspectors”Hence from a formal point of view it is not possible to use this from for complaints about certification bodies. But I think we also need an official form or/and extension of the present form in order to complain about certification bodies.Proposal for decision: Establish WG (could be the full CB WG and others?) to elaborate such procedure for the next SKN meeting.

SKN_N0279R4_CompleteProcedureForComplaint.pptx

SKN_N0282R1_Proposal for resolution on Complaints.docx

SKN_N0284R2_Steps-taken-in-complaint.docx

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Presentation: Update on “Fundamental new database that can also be used for the generation of data sheets” / JEN(related to SCF 4C07 and 5C6.1)Proposal for decision conc. online database:The layout presented for detailed solar collector Keymark prototype database (adapted according to result of discussion) will be used as model for the online database to come.

N0276R0-SK-DB.zip

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ESTIF LabelPackA+ project and its proposed cooperation with SKN. / PDPresentation of project statusProposal for decision: “The Solar Keymark Network welcomes the cooperation with the project Labelpack A+ and the work on developing tools that can facilitate the calculation of the package label for water and space heating systems within the framework of the ERP regulation. The package label and the facilitation of its calculation are extremely relevant for the solar thermal industry and as such, the Solar Keymark Network wants to continue to pursue this cooperation with the Labelpack A+ project. Taking into account that the project has already developed a calculation tool for the package label, available online, the SKN is glad to support the interconnection of the data in its database and the tool provided by the Labelpack A+ project. This interconnection will allow the calculation tool to be more appealing to installers, by providing easy access to a large number of solar thermal products and will increase the value proposition of SKN certificates, by providing an additional benefit for SK certificate holders.As such, the Labelpack A+ shall assist the efforts in the development of the SKN certificate database in what concerns the interconnection capabilities.”

Presentation to come /PD

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Use of Keymark logo on Solergy Label /PDThe Solergy label includes the logo of the SK next to the logo of the certification body in charge of issuing the label. Furthermore, it includes on the bottom the link to the SK website. Such use of the references (logo and webpage link) to the Solar Keymark is misleading for manufacturers, public authorities, installers or costumers who might be lead to believe that this label is related to the Solar Keymark Network, which is clearly not the case.Proposal for decisionIt is decided that the SK manager contacts the entities responsible for this label and asks them to take out references to the Solar Keymark from this commercial label.Similar procedures shall be taken with regard to other similar labels that are not officially endorsed by the SKN.

Comments from Sören Scholz, DIN CERTCO:Please notice that we cannot agree to the content of this proposal for the following reasons:

The SOLERGY is a new collector label, which tries on a voluntary basis to support the solar thermal industry to compete with other existing energy labels and to survive in a very difficult market. In contrast to another new label on the market, the SOLERGY is not directly linked to the Solar KEYMARK database but only uses the data mentioned in the collector data sheet 2 to calculate the energy output per year. This information is publically available and cannot be prohibited. Also other subsidy schemes use this information to grant national subsidies.

Furthermore, the SOLERGY strongly supports and strengthens the Solar KEYMARK! Only if the manufacturer can provide a valid Solar KEYMARK certificate with a new date sheet 2 for the respective collector, the collector label will be issued (also a check of the technical data is integrated!). Furthermore, the calculated annual thermal output will be registered and be published on a daily updated website (this will avoid misuse of the data).

Thus, also the Solar KEYMARK logo itself is shown on the label in combination with the registration No and the link to the Solar KEYMARK database. The manufacturer has got the right to use the Solar KEYMARK for his certified products and also to show the link to the database (he will do by using the SOLARGY). This can from our point of view not be prohibited by SKN or any other organization.

If the manufacturer wants to change his certified products, also the collector label has to be recalculated. Last but not least, the SOLARGY is developed in such way that also other European and empowered CBs can grant on the basis of

the publically available guideline the respective collector output labels (it is a very transparent system). Let’s try to be fair and see for which collector output label the manufacturer will decide instead of blocking some of the competing

labels by such proposals.Thus, we propose to disagree to this proposal

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Proposal for decision / SCF steering group for SCF project applications (7th call) /HDFunding of proposals from the 7 th SCF call The proposals recommend by the Solar Certification Fund Steering Group for funding as described in document SKN_N02xxR0 are accepted and the corresponding activities will be funded.

N0273R1-SCF-recommendations.pdf

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Proposal for resolutions conc. SCF working rules and appointment of SCF Steering Group:Proposal: Approve enclosed revised SCF working rules SCF_N0001R11 including final list of SFC SG members.Present SCF SG:Manufacturers (appointed by SKN industry representatives):

Oscar Mogro, BDR Thermea (Baxi Calefaccion), ES Andreas Wagner, AWA, BSW, DE Vacant seat (any candidates?)

Test labs (appointed by SKN test labs): Alberto Garcia de Jalon, CENER, ES Andreas Bohren, SPF, CH

Certification bodies (appointed by SKN CB working group): João Santos, CERTIF, PT Sören Scholz, DIN CERTCO, DE

ESTIF (appointed by ESTIF) Pedro Dias, ESTIF Secretariat, BE Harald Drück, ITW, DE

ESTESC (appointed by ESTESC) Christian Stadler, estesc Chairman, DE

Solar Keymark Network (appointed by SKN) Jaime Fernandez, SKN Chairman, ES Jan Erik Nielsen, SKN Manager, DK

All present members have confirmed that they want to continue – to come.More/other candidates?…Include in the rules: A steering group member can appoint a substitute to do his/hers evaluation if there are no objections from any other steering group members.

SCF_N0001R11-SCF- working-rules.docx

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Presentation of management table /JFMaking a model of the Solar Keymark and the SKN as if it were a Company, an analysis is made in order to elaborate a strategy that is in line with the strategy of ESTIF, the evolution of the solar thermal industry and the strategy of CEN. The internal strength and weakness, the key activities, the economic and legal environment, the evolution of the market are taken into account to propose a general strategy.Proposal for decision(s) to form working groups to work on the proposed activities – see document

SKN_N0280R3_ManagementTable.pptx

17 xProposal for resolution conc. SKN_N0106_AnnexA1b /Jaime Fernandez:Revised version of the document SKN_N0106_AnnexA1b_R0 . There can be a decision to replace Annex A or to continue with both inspection reports during a transition period.

SKN_N0106_AnnexA1bR2_InspectionReport.docx

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Proposal for decisionAppreciating Harald’s superb SKN chairmanship over the years, he is appointed as “Honorary SKN Chairman”.Honorary SKN Chairmen can attend future SKN meetings as observers.Note: Experience and network of Honorary Chairmen could be useful for the continuity of the SKN and in connection with promoting the Solar Keymark.

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Proposal for Resolution on Annex C – Regarding non-payment of fees / JFA Working group was established during the October 2016 SKN meeting at Paris to propose a solution for the problem of invoices that are not paid by CBs. (see item 18 of minutes SKN n270). Members: Jaime Fernández (Chair), Soeren Scholz and François Ball.The enclosed resolution is proposed by the WGTo add the enclosed text in section C.5 Collection/payment of Solar Keymark Network fees, in annex C

Comment from Ioannis Alexiou 4/3 2016… I would ask for more flexibility if possible. The reason is that for example in our case we still have problems with money transfer and if the bank will not accept this transfer then we have to look for other alternative sources. As you can see, we are also member of Europe but we are not in the same financial and political situation.Some proposals could be as below:

the extension of the period of fees payment (for example at the end of August), or before the second annual meeting in October, all the fees should have been paid by the CBs, or a possibility of different approach if one CB facing specific problems with probably available declaration of commitment by the

owner of CB.Please, take these thoughts for more understanding.Kind regards Ioannis Alexiou

SKN_N0277R0-wrt-non-payment-of-fees.docx

20 xProposal for decision /U. FritzscheIt is decided to fund Ulrich Fritzsche with 500 € as the working group leader of WG-PVT. Several web-meetings was organized and the Annex J to the scheme rules was elaborated and approved at the SKN meeting October 2015.

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Proposal for resolution /PD:Change the requirement in section 2.1.2 of the internal regulations (SKN_N0102)“Names and contact details of nominated delegates shall be sent to the SKN manager at least two months before the meeting.”to“Names and contact details of nominated delegates shall be sent to the SKN manager at least two weeks before the meeting”.

Reasoning behind proposal:In order to improve the functioning of the SKN and the attendance at SKN meetings, the above changes to the Solar Keymark Internal Regulations are proposed, trying to increase consistency between the different deadlines proposed.Therefore, taking into account that, in what concerns:

Meetings (chapter 3) it is written on page 5: “Deadlines for circulation of the main documents (invitation to the meeting and the first draft agenda) for SKN meetings shall be made available 1 month before the meeting by SKN manager”;

voting and voting rights (Chapter 4) it is written in paragraph 4.2 on page 7: „…only SKN members may vote…”, and; members it is written in paragraph 2.1.2 (national industry representatives), on page 4: “Names and contact details of nominated

delegates shall be sent to the SKN manager at least two months before the meeting.”Considering that the draft agenda of the meeting is only know one month before the meeting, it is proposed that the nomination of the representatives is subsequent to the distribution of the agenda.

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New procedure for solar thermal system long term prediction according to EN 12977-2 /UFAs now the first system is certified according to EN 12977, there is an ongoing discussion about applicable boundary conditions for long term prediction for that kind of complex systems.We’ve got now the unique chance to update the boundary conditions at least for the standard EN 12977 to get applicable and up to date requirements. If e.g. the tapping profilestays simplified (100% at noon + 6h) to get the comparison with EN 12976 and the CSTG method, there’s no chance for a successful implementation of EN 12977 certification scheme.A presentation should explain the problems and solutions to come to a sustainable long term prediction and consequently to a successful 12977 certification scheme.Note: From my perspective, there’s no chance for a final decision on this topic. I want to discuss the problem to know the different views and to go into the right direction for a final proposal for vote in Autumn 2016.I will try to finalize the presentation until end of February. There should be the chance for a real (short) discussion. And maybe, we have to create a Working Group again.Uli

Presentation to come

23 Interlaboratory Comparison - ILC on Data Analysis, SCF7 Project – Call for more participants, A. Bohren, SPF Testing SKN_N275R0-ILC2016.pdf

24 Proposal for update in Solar Keymark Brochure/HR/PD SKN_N0278R0_SK-brochure.docx

25 Update on CE marking of collectors / Andreas Bohren(related to SCF 5C5.1)

Presentation/ document to come

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26 Update on Energy labelling / Gerard v. AmerongenNew Dutch subsidy scheme relates to Energy labelling (250-300 solar devices documented according to E-label in 2 months!) Presentation to come

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Updates from Liaison officers Liaison officer to IEC/TC117, (related to SCF 5C4.1) /Stephan Fischer Liaison officer to IEC/TC128, (related to SCF 5C4.3) /Korbinian Kramer Liaison officer to TC164, (related to SCF 5C4.2) / Gerard v. Amerongen Liaison officer to TC228, (related to SCF 5C4.2) / Gerard v. Amerongen Liaison officer to TC 371, (related to SCF 4C12c / SCF 5C4.4) / Gerard v. Amerongen

Presentations/ documents to come?

28Reporting from SKN WGs:

“Certification Body Group” / Sören Scholz “Inspection Group” / Jaime Fernandez

Presentation/ document to come?

29 Information from CEN TC 312 / Vassiliki Drosou ? Presentation/ document to come?

30Information from CEN/CCB / Sören Scholz

Status for outsourcing the Keymark New procedures for approval of scheme rules etc.

Presentation/ document to come?

31Solar Certification Fund Projects – General Status Reports / PDa. 6C14_1 Other model – Status / Gerard v. Amerongenb. …

Presentations to come

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Global certification update / JEN (related to SCF6-9)Status for Global Solar Certification NetworkNew IEA SHC Task 57 “International Standards and Certification” Has been approved – Work Plan enclosed – Kick-off meeting 10-11 th March 2016, Berlin – SKN participants welcome.

Task 57 Work Plan 1.01.pdf

33Recognition and use of the Solar Keymark outside of EuropeLG (TERMICOL) will present his experience concerning selling Keymark certified collectors in the United Arab Emirates.This practical case can maybe help us determine some actions to help our Industry export their products with the Solar Keymark.

SKN_N0281R0_DubaiCertification.ppsx

34 Presentation of PTB's Technical Cooperation and the project "Strengthening Quality Infrastructure for Solar Water Heaters in Northern Africa" / Lea Zeppenfeld

SKN_N0283R0-PTB-Zeppenfeld.pptx

36Long term performance prediction of solar electric heating systems for domestic hot water preparation / Daniel EggertPresentation of a project which intends to elaborate a test procedure similar to EN 12976 and to give proposals for the implementation of the procedure into the standard

Presentation to come

37 Experience with misuse of Solar Keymark - exchange of information

38 Any other business1. …

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39Important/interesting national news/developments1. First certificates related to EN 12977 issued 2. …

40 End of meeting /JFMeeting ends Wednesday, March 9th, 13:00 – simple lunch 13:00 – 14:00Meeting duration1st day: 13:00 – 19:00 = 6:00; two coffee break 0:30 effective meeting time 5:002nd day: 08:30 – 13:00 = 4:30; two coffee breaks á 0:30 effective meeting time 3:305:00 + 3:30 hours = 8:30 hours = 510 minutes, 40 topics approx. 13 minutes per topic in averageJF: Jaime Fernandez, AENOR, Chairman Solar Keymark Network, JAFERNANDEZ@aenor.es JEN: Jan Erik Nielsen, Solarkey Int., ESTIF Technical Consultant, Manager of Solar Keymark Network, jen@solarkey.dk PD: Pedro Dias, ESTIF Secretary General, Administrative Secretary of Solar Keymark Network, pedro.dias@estif.org Potential subjects for next meeting:

(x) New Equivalent absorber coatings?(x) New Equivalent glazing?x More strict rules for evaluation / recommendation / voting by SCF steering Group of/on SCF applications

Time schedule for all Berlin meetings:Day Date Time Title of meeting Location Est. no. peopleTuesday 8th March

DINAm DIN-Platz

Burggrafenstraße 610787 Berlin

MorningAfternoon 13:00-19:00 SKN Meeting 46Wednesday 9th MarchMorning 08:30 -13:00 SKN Meeting 49Afternoon 14:00-16:00 GSCN Board Meeting 18Thursday 10th March

Urania Berlin e. V.An der Urania 17

10787 Berlinwww.urania.de

Morning 09:00-15:00 GSCN Plenary Meeting 25Afternoon 15:00-18:00 IEA SHC Task 57 15Friday 11th MarchMorning 9:00-14:00 IEA SHC Task 57 13Afternoon

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