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tJn/·,.....,VINGS AT 1 '8 KGOTLAI 0.11 .55.
AO UnS Chtet Tah kedl Oll!ll:ln ond Tr1be . Capt . llettelton n.l!. T • Rev . J. H. L. ll\IrJIS E . C. Parr, sq. , J . .. . ;royce, sq • • w. • olntoah, l'sq . ,
The R ~ . BU1'1lS otters a prayer .
CHI TSED'!.nroI I
Thts me t1l:lg has b en convened by
all4 not by the UIlS1atrate . I have however aske
him to be pr sent so t at he cnn honr what I II y .
I oould Ilpeflk to h1ll1 at his orne. but 1 h ve
thoUCht 1t botter tor me to speak betore you all .
Tho VIlli to people 1Ih you II e here I have ssked
to attend as live togo hf'r in this oountry.
Tho subjeot I going to deal wIth to4cy is the
laws whioh ave b en de by the Gover nt . I
haw been y for sott days on the dootor's
advice Iiltho pe~onoilY I tho~t I W ble
to walk about . DUrllll:: my absence the attaira
'Went ahead and dld not wait tOT my return, but
I ahall start tram were I left ott .
t etUlG 'WhIch 1 had wi you
in the E:(;otla wos th on in .h10J~ e sent II.
petition to the KinG asking t nt th we 1 II
Ie 1 was f1 t K&!JlY8 I
rece1Tttd n lett ~ trolll the Re81dent Com1 saioner
which reads aa tollOl'l'S (Almexure A) .
After raceIvlna tn1e ~ettor I Bot
another IS e while I was still ill . e
mes B6e Wall that representatlvc8 shouJ.4 be ent
to •••• /
to Pretoria to listen to the Uigh Co~sslon 1"8
lnatruotions . These people delivered their
(lssage to en ~ ~lclr return dlu-ing y absenoe .
I continued to bo ewsy ~or some time a~tor their
arrival and after the C8l)tlng whlch VialS held In
the Xgotla tor the Purl~S$ o~ delivering the HiBb
C=lssicner' s instructions . Ju.s"t before IlI1
return I reoeived a letter in oonnection with the
Proolamatlons under dls0ussion; there we.a a second
lettor wr1tten to me after my return to IlI1 duties ,
thts letter amplified the easace oontai d in the
first . I read the seoond. letter (Annexure B) .
As you know I am one lIho Bpellka at great
length, and u!tht. 18 a very 1tiporte.nt etlng I
1I'OUld ask: you to listen to "hat I alll goIng to say.
'!'he 1.tters that h vo b en road over to you are not
a commencement 01' VJb.at I 1fish to say today. but I
r ad them out only to atf.ll't ere I le~t oU before
I went away on elok-leave . hile I WII3 111 I beard
tb.e.t the !'.ac1atrate apom to you, aDd I aleo beard
what you said because 'the strate ve e a
written r port of the proce dings . I also ath red
infol'r..ation t'l'om these he w~ left in charse at the
af~a1rs c:t the triblJ .
I am very much surprised at the way in
whioh our GoverDJllent has taken up the question 01'
these Imm. I do not wish to eo 1Dto the III!IrltB
ot th provisions Cit the laws . bat 18 beir16
ex"acted of WI today 18 thnt the Ivms Mould be
put into toroe . 'hat 1. why I any I shall not go
into the r1ta 01 the law, but I w111 recap1'ul.ate
the ataees by which the roolamattoll.l'l flere broU(;;ht
into toroo .
I remember that th1s law 1!SB broUGbt to
our ••• /
'- 3 .
our notioe in 1'1138 . All t.he t.rlb s of t. •
Proteotorate were c lIed to t ut afe ins.
,.e VIer 100 sen' for . It w s not a tlCllting
oonvened for t.he Chiefs but. the tribes ttended .
At. th1s me t.ing whioh took place on t ., 18th
Nove,~b()r 1932. the li.esident Corml1ss1oner eXplained
the l8lra. not to the hiefs ot tho Deohunnaland
Proteotorate bllt to the llatlve Advisory council .
I have now hold ne position of ohlot for ten
y arB. and usually b fore any matter Us referred
to the J3n!;lElnwnto I a; flrst 1ntomed about 11; by
the 'ns1s!irate . But in retard to thetle In "
there 10 not a e~. Chl f in the B chUlUllll0.n4
oteotorate that the Gover nt. oalled and
oonsult d with abottt these 1 • nor has B .Il18etins
ot Chl fa ben held tor this purpose 80 that the
Chiets oould thereaft.er intorQ their tribes .
'rhea8 1 were e tart d in a seneral m liMns of
the tribes . t thia meoting t.he Real ent Commi-
slIioner e .. ld I "Thase Proo lllll'lll tioIl8 will be
expl in d SlId dlscUDsed in ench Kcotln by the
,ea1dont aglstra es witb the hier and tribe~ .
Atter W8 returned we were ai'ting an
opportunl ty tor the tnt -rl 01' the trlbe 118 a
wIlol. to tell then what e hnd Brd . In all
the mportant quest!oIl8 l1ke this 1 t ls my oustom
to cnth r tbe tmole trlbe and d18ol.l8s the tt r
with them. but berore I oalled sueh ~eting 1
heard the 1 we bud been prInted wld b en
oirculat d 8i ngat ~ m:T tribes . Anything 01' this
nature i. usually given to the 0h1,t to circulate
to his tribe . But in this cuse the copies of
the 1 8 lere d18trlbuted by the aglst.rntea SlId
the •••• /
4 .
th~ police 411' ot to tne people, even my r PI' senta
tivs. o~tBlde wero not intcrmed ot hie notion by
t~e po~t¢6, bu nnybo'y obta~cu COp! s of the
Ie on ~:;Jpl1o ticn direot trom 'the pol1oe. Thi
ia tho second ins.anoe which! quote as to the
manner in which the Govern.Mont br ~U ,ht th se laws
into force .
Thirdly. tho ~aeiatrate personally 0
and explained the e lawa to the tribo . The
explanatiOns were by the agiatrat. and not by me ,
and tho replica ot the tribe were also reoe1v <1 by
the 'aclotrate d1r ot from tlla t'ribe and not
throU{!h J.:l8 .
Uourthly. every meeting about these
Proclll:!lAltlons lUI held in tha presence of tho
Loiasis tra te •
Fifthly. the Dacanttato r~pr oentatlvea
who went to eterln d1d n.ot tell me that t ey had
been asked to 61 e me the sease ot the niGh
Cm::n1eaion.er 80 that 1 oould inform the tribe .
They sald that the Chlef'. representative in ~erowe
was eXpeoted to oo-operate with the ~agi8trate 30
thnt these laws should be brouaht into operation.
These are the etaces by ~loh the
l'OC18l:Ul.tions were broUBht into toroe . The
GOver=ollt nevEll' consul ted w1th the Chiet about
the lan but they spoke dir otly to the tribe .
The Administratl0 however ta1led to Eats pro eS8 ,
d now when they ~in it 1mv0881b~G tor t e to
enforce the lswa tho3 turn to the Chiet and they
expect him to do what they havo failed to do .
Th18 i8 hOlV t:18 'Wor1: 18 be1ns: clU"rled on.
There 1s one JI).ore important point in
th18 •••• /
t la , that ls , 1I •• on t
bout at
o£ tho hie! .
5.
Hl co ::Isla r Ilpol:e
In y roo ntly, he 8pOko
I do not rl that t. bove d er1be
proe dure 10 tho corr ct proo ure on 01'
thin k1nd, I,. not ploaaed e
tormarly all 0 108tl0 to t e
tfu::'OUl:~ t 0 lot . t aurprltl d t t
atte::Ip'; .hieh tho C v nt htls e to nforce
law dlreot wl out
end lIton th Gover nt
such la 1t ~oota t
1 Ulnoe 01' t Chlot
been unable to ntoroe
1st 0 do o.
Tho ac VGrlll!:lEillt, 1nol u.d1D& our P t
latr te, kn haw t ,e lan.. e r oelv by iii
trlbe . 'l'hey know t at en t 1 re put out
ln draft tom t 9 tr1 e protested and rej ot the
laws on ths ounda t Q t ywere impraotlo ble .
t whe th las: re 1'100117
pl"Ol:lUl ted h tr1bo. ex lain th 1r ~bUlt:v to
nforc suoh 1 lUI . nt lalo 15 all this .
BlthoUr:h tl 1s so, a letter c s 0 Iltq
t t on the 15th Hova r ust b c.uU'orced .
I would liko to o~e th1s case 1'11 th
t other a 0 .. 1 t entrus d by t
Btl::ru:Q8·to trltio so t overaees 0 8 out .
nt la, t e Dining qu stton.
I untrun by t
w1 th aut or1 ty by th to 00 01
in 118 c rta1n tt ra in conn cUon 1th
m1n1ng 0 noesd • After 1 h d dleouase thls
subJeot wl th the Se ret
return and f1nd out v1
01' state, he instruot
01' th tr 1 b tore
lU'Qo 41Ds •• •• f
proccedin8 tll tho ;t:l:. but I tol tho
Secretary of' State t at I had come tro~ the tribe
1Ul.:i W!::a !!I:i.1 0 il ~n; i. w;. ~:4 till! ~l' "V iowa and ~ t
1 could coll!llu.de the matter without fUrt tEll'
rateraJ:Oa to thm.'! . nowever he insistod thnt I
Should consult wlth thC!l aga1U . ! returnOti to
South AfriCa. Ell"'.d at an intarview '.11th tho 1l1~
C:mmlslJ.1.onor I lias It in r{ll:l1nded to cOrlSult with
the tribe before ~roce ding with further negotia
tions . ! told the Blgll. Coc:n1asioner th t no
purposo ,ould be served in my cOllS'.ll tine the
tribe again, bu.t ho too sai I an.ould return .
aa>a thine ha~pene lth ths Resident Comaiasioner .
At that tine 1:10 Govorll.ClOnt was careful.
to Bee that whnt the Chief' dld IIhould be whao the
tribe required . Dut today the Gover nt oannot
tell me that thoy ore adopting tho sa::e attitude
mi thlit whloh they cUd in reenrd to tho nln1118
question .
At first it tillS .8 do1'1n1te intontion
of tho CO'f'arlll"'..ent to Ildopt tho sane rroccduro but
t~try to;L'1d that tho trlbo dtd not acrce w1 t tMir
viewa, und now tho Chi"f 1s b",lng ussd 1\8 11 tool
to pave the way. 'lhis 1$ not at all a plolltlant
position fer any Chlef t, find birJae1.f In . 'e
are at e. lOss. and 10 do not know whether tho
po11cy or th Administration is that the Chief
should :first consult w1 th tlle 'tribo or dlsr'cGl~
the tribe in d!1in1at'r t1ve '" MIll'es 'I'lh1eh he 08.
It 18 some years now thllt we have bonn
speaking about thOZ8 laws . Tho discussions about
them etarted in 1932, actually th1s is the fourth
year while w ar at th se lm:s . We have spoken
at great leneth to ex lain to tho O?V"1l'. en·~ that
those ••• • f
t Dse re not the laws of this c~untry. wa
point d out to the ,0'1 _l'mll nt thet 11' th e8 were
with our lol1S it mie;ht have b on pOll1l1ble to enforce
the a we would see how the Government would
enforce thelll, but tho Qovnrtlli1\Ult bna . 40 a m1dto.ke
ln cal11 the na t1 'Ie 1aW3; even the o.ovun;nent
can see tho.t hCS8 laws aro diff1cult and cannot
be ~nrorced in this country. I w111 Glva ttiree
1n$t~nc8S in substantiatIon of tho abovo aesertlon .
It 18 said that these Ins are baaed upon our nat1ve
llilD and aocordiXlB to CWl toI:IIS under 1'ih1ch EI l1ve .
Now aocol'd:l.ll8 to Setaoana custom the hiGhest Kgotla
1s tll6 Ch1ef's I!gotl.a, and 1f it is aJY1th1ng that
111 beinG baeod on otl!loana CilDtom ths Chief's
KGotla cannot ~ssibly be lost signt of . t it
1s arazing to :find thllt the Government ad)1 ttl that
1n the 1>rOVla1ons 01' the 11.llnJ they had :t'or",otten
to inolude the Chief'. sotla. For 1 tanco tile
niCh C~sicn r'B Orfice 1s tl~ central otrico
of II the thre High o=1stlloned 'l'errltorlea and
in any laws prQ~ ted for those territories these
ofUoers call1'.ot possibly be tor 'otten, but in
regard to th .• S6 OO~t1on. it i6 said t the
l'nl'Bnount C 1sr's Kt9t'la whioh 1s tall oentrol.
offic8 in the Mt1ve adn11n1Bt:raUon of a torr1to;ry
hnd bQon~GQtten and t.at it 111 now bo rcvlda4
'tor . I do not knOiU Wi ether any Chief oould
possiblr bo plellBed with Q lllw like thia. and be
ex ect d 'to .say to t.I1e tribe thaf. BllCh lllWlS ere
soed whon h18 Keotla has b en ignored . Uo official
coUld do 80 . But ~1s 18 what we a.-e erp oted to 10.
Secondly, 1n the draf't lllll it as l!Ito.ted
tat .• . • f
s .
~ t rOUl." or the p:ilgple should be nominated 1;0
IllIIIl.at tb.e ab.1ot in tM :matters 01' eamln strat10n.
-'1entuo::.17 H \fU il.U1C!7V6rw. taiit tUls was not
'p03ll1blo IIJId dld not oontorm lth 0Ul." oustom, ut
to l:llIet tho oue 1t i8 now stated tad the Chlef
should nominQte or designate Aumberlesa people who
would be M .. oOWlOl11ora . It 1a imposelbl.e to'
'no))11n.te n'Jl1lll 1.'1058 people som. ot whom ere
1ncapable 01' pertorming want they are expeoted to
40. 'lb.. Dr1t1al1 GoVernment believes in tbe
e4",i';'iatratlon by aelocted O1'1'1oar8. and I taJl:e 1t
thal; 'thili W80S tae pc;U'Oy aJl4 the intention 01' ~ ..
laws, bacauae 1\ .8.1 atat Ii that tour or five PCO~
shoUl4 be nominated . It appears 1;hls pr:I.nClpl.
was toUll4 1Inpr ot!oablo in native e.dm1niatraUon
and llc.w 110 18 8uasutod 1il1at nlUllberless peepl..
should b do.~ated to taU ill 'VIi ttl the :req-.Jire-
menta 01' tile lIAtiY. OUlJtam.
arror Q;l 10114 pert ot 1be Ooverlllll8l1t wllioh I 887
they hnvo a4r.Utte4.
!£be third error 1a thia . It 1s aa14
that the lin.~ XSotl&& should oont1nua to tunation
aUhOugb they do not oome \'titbin the obit 01' thoae
rroolema.t1oDlt . It l:Iaa 'Deen .. 14 that the lau 8ft
me e tOl" t • bette" a4mlnlatreUon of th18 OOWltry.
I do not DOW whether it 18 -tor tbe better
a4:li.1niatre.tion of t 0 eountzor to say that oertain
oU10 .. whloh oeme 'Wit in the _it 01' nall1ve
;a4;:Un1atrat10n lIhoUl.d, Ull4er tile new la.w, be 1 n o t or the law and to eot ea \beyw1ah . Aooord1Jl8
to et.oana J.aw .even the 8!llaU .. t Yo oUa. i. lIub~eot
to thAI l~er gotl.. . Our system of adm1n1.trat1~
.. hiGh 1. oontinuoua 1.8 b(UJcd UpOn theae l:Iinor
Xgotlas, tllel are the foUDdation of the native
a4m1niatrat1aa •••• /
adm1n13tratlon. and if lenor th who~. struoture
collc.l!II II . .e aro s t:lrtcd t:r:o .. 1nor X otlClB
Chlef's Kgotla .
Theil tu'e the hr 0 errOl:3 hlch 1t
thO COy rrunont had b d the 111 8 upon tho
exliJt1nc natlve CWltQt1 y auld nev r V8 do .
Even today t 0 rr01' have not b en r ct 1'i
v n in li&ht of' th n prov1siens lntend d
to put th right . 'If provls10na a p ar to
intend to Just1ty ra r u a ot1f7.
I B::l not afraid to U ill ra •
that ill BV l' function; n:ld th t
It io v1sll.bl to flnd ath l' laws in tell'
pl oe . I do not doubt that as the 101' and
hls athority tl ~e b en lilt 1U11do the 00., ont
can f' s oth r authority to put in is placo.
I r aliso that the Oover t can asily do thie,
but I quit 0 rtain that thea 1 e would
nover w~rk even then an thot other form of 1
'11111 8tl11 hev to be introduced aT n 11' they
lett in torce: those 1ll.Ws auld b purely nOlJinal
d wcul ot tunction . 1 iloar today th t thero
are oth r t.r1be8 0 are praetie1nr: th so 1 s;
I h vo 0 b on to th trlb, but ~oor41I1£ to
my kllo of our the custo!:!' 1 8 Y thoy can
n::>t 1'UIl tion . It will be said on reoorda at
t 1 aro pu illt~ ration but in pr ctt e they
'11111 not function . e car that at oJar na
people h V8 ba n n~1nntcd to QQslst toe 1 1' ,
b' t if OM went t. ere he ould find ~Ilt t the
Cblet'8 otla ore ar s h COUll 11lers, b t he
ill t11:ld aill t. Dt t the at er otl in the
B the old 0 tOJ:1 18 in vo I _ttll It 18
8a1d that aro t tlon1l13 in ftt:l1ou-
districts .
at t'J. inca:
Ie .
Peoplo ba~o di~!erent r.n,D or look1ng
aome V~o Ie will readily say that t~ey
c.~th.ir.f; -7:0::' t!:~~&:;t ~~CJ" tlr not
to do so, While others would rather say
8traic;htltWS1 they are \Ulable . In cur crus.:: lOG
b to~ eu11ty otdisobod1enee of tho laws, but
ll. prefer to state the trut!;. . I t vo already 'stated
that it 1s ten years sinoe r tock over t 0 Chi 1'
talnllh1p, in thnt periOd I have round tha t t:lere
are cortain ws "bich ere sllid to be in t01'ce und
y . t 1n truth they are not . I hall siva one
instance of this . li'he SeOl'etOl'Y 01' ..,tatCII cae here
once and at C1 ecting convened. tor him. h spoke
about tile tribal wOl'k and stated t.'1at it was the
d c l ered pO'. loy of the Government th t 1 t ,Iill no
loneer cellon people to do any labour ithout
roz:,uneratlon. but that rrs far II the " ~Ilr an<l tr1be
re cDncerned thoy 00_14 contln~$ to do ~e1r
tribal dut!es by ans or unp,ld labour 3 usual .
the outcone or the question Wf!.S about .akoro
c;,uarantine Camp. e had atntc that 11' the Catlp
as intended tor our bennfit e wlshd to contribute
1'roe labour tOl<tlrds such work . In pursu:lt'.ce o~
the above aover~nt pol!cy the Covcrncent did pay
for the lo.bour in Donne D t10r. -.1 th the IlWl1'",nt1n.e
work. This their action. however, was nover
repeated in thll arter works . .e hove a1r:co e
Ilerodromes tor the Covo::rn;,lcnt. the Inbour was not
poid for . I know lihut tho (}ovcrAlllent never rorees
us to do those duties. llut it III Il1'JII asks :for our
help . una naturally the Chief cannot refuso the
hir.hcr autllorl1iy. The motor road to O.'Jn y.o.s
mostlynde br ragl~ental 1 bour - the 1 COllI hloh
the Government said it would not ~loy to do ita
works •••• /
- n .
works . Aotually ,Ile lnw hBS b f'n Cou..'ld Q be
1r:tIlr8ot1c 10 bllt 1t has not b n eet aside, and
the GoTerll:!!flnt do 1\ !lot :t'enort to 1'rae labour
tough in truth they do . I could q ote a1 lIar
1nstnnoes , but ! quote1:qo%l1l: instaI)oes to !.Ihew
that ther have be n times When lows have been
found 1.ntDr oUasble bllt stU1 l'elllll1n~ in !'oreo
t'toueh they do not I.\o~lly function .
~inellY r 1'1081'1.". to say that 1ffien e
pet1t1cn d the Kll18 \'1$ d ;1"8al1aed thc.t the law
ll!ld b~en acoopted by the ftiS/1 COll!'alllsioner nni
a~ rov d by the ~ecretcr? of stnte . e \'fore
therefore hopln~ t ot another Oourt would liston
to o'.1r etitioll . 'Ire h d tMltdtt til t in tro.nt:l
citt1ng t 113 lotter to the clatr:.-.te t~ot 1t uld
be subt'11tted eventually to tht;! Privy CO'me1l
b aeuae in ~1ty W9 wore ap all~ n~uinst the
decis10n of' our Admin1str.etlon. . ut our potition
me return d to us by the hiGh t\.uthor! ty. and now
1.t ra 1M tin!'! erd lind flO hayo no way to I.lppenl .
Th10 1. quite 010 r to us . We ~ave no intontion
01' dlal'esa:riitnrr the rulUlg c:' our depart:4ont 01'
AdOiniatrntipn, all e nr ndo.vo~1nG to do is
to fin Ul'lport 01' the l1bc..-nl policy 01' tho
rl.t!.sh QO'l'oI'1l:l1ent ,.,!1ol'O tho .rl ... 'lt of 8P~l'Ial is a
prlv11eee c1vcn to ito ovo c1tizan. and not
record d (lIS .olen 01' d1Jslo~ty' to tho era. n or a
d1sr tard 01' tho d<;cla1on Dado by tholla i.n povor .
I st1ll hubly ask the ovorncsnt to assist ~ in
(\e01d ing ?!hat'1l'ould be tho boat way or bringing
tils. 11lt'lu.e 01' t.he Trnaty anI! c~,nstl tut10nal
relntlono betw~en is njosty' the ~lnc end our
proteated state before tho Privy ~oUIlcil . e
foresee •••• !
for seo ~~at r,von th~~ he lawa nro enforced
t f):- 1T'...1 1 not :t'.wot1011.
r Q. t~av exncotcu to nomlnetn \h~
hese aws were made I r al1sed
that the COV lOnt' el' not co, 'ely tr;;1ne tUet1
.oIl; ! :t:)).011 tt f'Jy woro serlO1lD. 1l:li1 •• 1t1t ell th1s
\l~d'.!·:3tn Jdin(; 1 t ~_ tho CONll' one tlUlt it ro.:::
impossiblo til .01'% thello 'tum: . I' 'n it w· ~ld
t_ELt tics 1 B ICrp PUt ()U~ Eor disouztllon. \'Ie told
the GO'V'armncllt t at c obj ot d to 1th8I<1. b -:IllUDe
v:a st!W 1;.,0. t th010 ali! no ~ f'1111ct1cn. ih01. the
lal's \Vel'O ,;rO:illl.l!_Cllt d a tl):tod ~.!l. t VIC ere \lnablJl
to put 'them into tOl,'OO. 'l'lhen ,0 G id thIs lt was
not a tryon, c WO~. tel_lug tho truth .
St,;I'p:r'1.uod tnc. t '\l'0 toldt' 11 t 110 ~"Pectod to (flit oro.
t~ DC llms . There 1a no roply that e -Bhnl1
Givo oth."'l." than that .0 hll.'jc alrood:r lh,1d hen ,
Dntd ~e are unnble . ,0 know po. featly wall that
fJO leo!! to ur Q yerscnt tor 'P,Cot cUon, but we
looked uhead dI. II told our o'lcrnm.ent t t VI.
aro unable to enforce th flit 1 ',8 thougn t oy
;r:~elU'd tllem. IlS s111 table la... thes!) r my
"ora.G . :r have n", t.. ins turt~. r to e.lld but 1 f thct
l.:n&istrate wall;). to 'Ii l~ to no or lUll. lI16 My-th1ng
I shall ~e ' ppy to ~.ply .
It the ribe hAVO .;-thing to say thBy
JIl,l!,y .now y :H. ! t = the lIngistr til nd our
friends ~or boiAS PI' sent at t 13 ct1ng booouo.
we 1111' tOGether. it 1s only ri 'Ii that they
stould knoVl • at is 0)1ne: on in ttl" country find not
hayo to rely to hearsay.
lIEA'GVAH tdATalBA:
It is nOlI 10~ tl t at It have b en
talkUlg •••• /
"
tu.lk~ "'ou~ th e Itt a . l.~n 0, c h [) ~. «velled
'!: ,r n l.v e d':stUllCO ono bf:t:Qtl 3 tire • lovurthc -
1--.::; 1 '1...._ .. - .......... _ ... ~_,l 't,-.l·ieh _ ..... ",..;r ., "', ... - 4_ ;;;[;7 u. .' ~ - ... -.~ ... -..... .v
b fOl'O 'l;'.e uclstrate, perhaps it w111 not be
ploali' t to f;ur, b t it. iii no lut nil d t~ u.:.no~
CXIiCC t, 01.' us .ouuy.
thoce lawG c tol G Covernaen1. too
th u 1:.praot~eIl1l1e 1)()cnu~u tho. Vlll'll nut Sc. oona
10.1 .. 13 WI t ,m Go\' erllf'.IC •. ~ hoel 8l1iel. a I UhOll n £; Jall
t firuJ 1'ittlnc; for t:J.e ll':' = to hove
• uz b • t •• o::;~ lam; are orl.inc; _Ii at l' <.;ountr lea .
but ell ".;;1tlSc:. l'cquc~ t5 "ore not granted . C /'lout
a putltion bu.L H VJWI not re.,li
& .. E;n tIS though tho say..... hicl
to . It 'WOuld
lwve quoted only
pplloll to r1 ito poople, lJoc •. use , en Wil 2Ieid the
1U"8 wrc tmpreoticable t oro . ~ no occtlng like
t.Lis to ~. Vl1 til t 0
11118 t our 1111713 wcro . I) apprtiho.ud 0 only OUO course
loft to us. 1 t is tho ... ll:n; o.y toda:r I and tlUtt
the Govcr=ent I,~shos t;l C 0.;;0 to 11000 finality that
1.'lnnlit1 ill be banlL out to uu . In onr PClllt
experience e did not tno~ th.et e hp~ ~one any hlng
n'ong. but our Qhlef _us tllken way rom us . there
wus no quolltl?n 01' mUl."i!er • Il.vln- 11 n 00=1'; od tor
whien tllo Covern:JOl1t could huve taken 1 ~m8y .
:.LhiD • • •• /
H .
'! 1n If 1 '1 ur
to aU!"
()vcrn:!1 ;. tat ton, l3
'!'o,,"uy I know the
todl'l'1 18 in th'l d Dort . J.;;l far 9.g ! ,;:Il<T:) ho was
not pcr"litt d to :;:pl11tn h1 .0191: in dofence 111:e
oursclvac toJ!.l.y . 10 son t OUJ e '"us 0. 'b i ',;tor ona
b Ctl'UllO h lwd. not ()o~i t%l o.o:s C.' 1m • !Io ·persoll
i:;: sentenoed ' i io.'iDU1, first being tr icd . ! have no
mrC!s. to &~Il., bl'd \me '1m .::no 'ut ,'10 Gov rnDont
hIlS D.tlthorlty d CIUl de no it pltJan s . A!1;llo!.l£;h
'0 hn',,"e en fI loyal QIl "'0 could IltD.l t'.XlJ at
nO. t '110 11 l'robabl:, cot iuto t.'()..:blo . 1 VO
ben loycl to our Go'\" 'rl:m~nt rod have n(.;vcr l'oon
h<JD.rll ";0 a !lin' to btl une.o· eny ot)1 r GoV l'lm'.ent .
:101', In no ""rone th t Clan b() t;:l')Wn 1,0 tu;: th t 10
have donr; before t'le oVel'Un{mt . :'hat I.e wl,y I
dOlbt th e.l'pJio, tlon or .juntlce to an ir'J'''opoct1ve'
of colour . e hnve eont1nu lly lIuht t:.o 1 ·s
'ill' ro 1:>1 t '·or to UIl, bllt e cont!Jl\Ic to l1!l.VO t. m
tllr.:st b(ICk OJ! US . e all "Sllft r JUllt liko (1
d:>8 which 1" tb.rns.EId by .i t6 pulltor and "h1oh till
r~turns to ito VVlGtcr - thero is no fault
wh..ich 'Vl0 he.v~ don, . Alq 11IID!,shl:tt'r.t ;Thien is
aL sCI. of Ul3 'I) M,ll;t' oi.'ive '1lithout havl~ done
ttn~· \IDle: iu). ct . '!'ho 1.m:s are not our lam!; if
t 'ey nere oUI' 1= opportu!!lt~1 tc> compel'e thOlll
should not h '0 boon rEtused. us .
H1U!l!!AN DISAI lWlITLADI:
I reet the aglll trt>.lie . I have not
words %copt what 1 said orie11 lly t at 1 am
unable to put the I into raTee . B. the
Bao&nwato tribe. 80. we rind the 18 S impo sible
ot appllonUiJn . 18 do not s ., we refUD
Only a perea:.. 1n ';lthorlty oould do th:'lt .
we •••• /
thOlil. as
at
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hay 14 18 W are 8 do not 11' the
Gov nt'a int ntlona and II et er t y are liaten1ng to
• It e att t 4 to C8rr7 out th e 1 110 B oul
~lnd th 1l:!pr otlenb • I agr e wi tll woot h Chlef
said bout t 111lls lUI untruth to hlsb r au hOd 1 s . It
w eni4 quickly thnt e uld aot &Cd dl not carry
out our "oro., II woul be in trouble . Til 1
cennot be oarried out by us c
accordance wlth our tive la17 .
at e Gov'll1'l:t:ient .18
tin
1 cgr with ehlO1'
ntD to do i • , it • rein
their position . would be WII:lc;;r arrest . That 18 1IbY I
arc :bl 'If II '0, BO a 1f 'tlO are
er err s t it rill bo krunm t t 111 •
lWm.un T .l' . SEBlllA.t
I W18 to 8eQ' 0
en t tter , it B 1 by mln1ne .
the Gove nt t t til Chlet do o consult t tribe
a.ni1 ots on his • It 18 tru our 18 ave
t several t1ce8 1n coDnOctlon with , on4
It lB evl ent Oovernoc.ut .. is to hear e t 1111g
and Tl ot the tribe bou til e 1 • I truth 110
h ve not r fUsed, we are una 1e, do not Beo how t sCI
1 are in aocordance .lth Uve c' t •
OCVe t could oe to at rille is una: le, it
r alia thlB ltd 014 J viz . ,
t at tried at 1.!w ...... , 14
to t::ie Chief it c 1 into
o eration. Chi t
authority ov r t • tribe. n t tift lI1Gb
Co oslon r reaolled th hiet t t tor
hill P oplo . It lB ~111G at eo t It
stat .... /
18 •
• tat 4 t t hlllt 414 t oonsult he trlbe, t
'aot in thlB • v1be ay the Chl 18
be told that he • ould tore II lmr on us,
we like 1t or t . t wUl b ono
18 not bl to force us?
8: t1n6 velOll-
onts .
• I st
add
:mu to corrobor ta t n s 14
H
t
Co slon who the
ehoUld tell the trlbe to r turn eta lr
t in tn da}'ll • trlb 1 at an .lOt C let' a Counoil to won 11'1 th • Chle1' . I lfBB ot pr ont but I
t were Jlel4 0 ,""""' .......... te t~ Ch1e:t' ut 1t
... round
In t 1t 1s B
to as 18t t Chlet' t .. -49 .... to 40 so. The Chler
Cove.rJl:lOI:lt kl1Ol:rB t 1 • •
t CouncUl.ore should
~JZIll1mto BY 1t 18 1!:lp08aibl.
l8h, h.u bro 11 baok
b oause 1t not aible to el ot allOt r
thia w the truth what ..
BUY say are
d 11 QOV'erll~t t t not
Jcnmr t se l.an .
uk our 1.tnte to ahcr.r till
how 1a colll.d b_ • tM
aa14 t _t h co Be 18 ed . I
should 11k to Q.uote th of Lord nan in th House
at Parll . tho depos1 lon of Ch1
in 1033f "1 verr oh r ar th t the n1m 0 t 1. ooc lon
to br all: e op ait10n 01' the C let' to tbe
Tkre:t't ••• • f
... 17 •
ol.m:latlons te loh he I'l8D ne~ d 0 au t. and
the aim WI1S to p1'oou08 a te.cod end ob" lont Ch1ul"" . ~hat
1s what 'urop an said 1%1. Enclnnd . en a AA~r ~e ::t.rO
unable aDd are bo1nc com;pc'1.1Qd to IlCt 8 think 01' t
thl.o nan II 1d.
l! tll! snid that . ore 'tOld t:lat 1t eve1'
n the Slory 01' 0. tlrlti$h ~ion that juatio ~l
be qual. to all. l.rrcspect1v 01' oolour or C j 11 do
not know Ylb.e r 18 justioe 1s t tor us .
cOUld no aIlNe with the sid nt CO!:llllisslon r t J.:af~1JlS
we o.Pl'ealed to t I H1{':h COllIll1oa10 l' but mn' prot st was
19nored. At anoth time II request that • Pr1 ati:lnn
shoUld Gone and xpla1n how o1Dl11 18 timot oned in
other t rriterie., but ItO reply reoQived. In e
courae of tlrgutlents e have askod thllt an Impnrt1al.
Co isaion should be sent hClre~ but his not grar.tod.
P'ino.lly peU t1an the Kill6 Il1Id the 1'0 1'1 as:r out
thls mcrn.l.ng. We requested t hia Terrl tory bo 1.Uldor
the oontrol 01' tho Colonial. 01'1'1ce, but we hav not rocelvo1
a 1'e ly. .8 hop d that the Itloh GOVOl'l1:!1 t llIIIlt a out
just10 to every tribe . But on ap!llw like I do.
1 t 18 C nerally 1%1to out th t ush a JaIl no cont'idence in th GOvcrtt:'.cn t. Y t • an requos t8 to . aro all
lsnored 1t is na ural to aslZ What t.o Iilatt r is . If these
la s are enforoed will b tur into a lot or prlson re .
'.rh Gov nt krlo\1s t t e r lo,.u and thnt rely on
ita proteotion. e are not conquered people, but -merel1
sought protootion UDder tho Dr11l1sh Flee. The Govlll'mlont
hU olro Y !itnt d thIlt tJlle l.twd belones to 118 end that
ue t Erltiah 8ubJ c S. VOl' Beo c ul lo~ liko
lb.1.o J 1t. r 1ndtl U8 of the cnnn ,ns ot 11):}3 but oven it th$Y
0 ... . ... /
18.
cce asein today 710 weald net f1liht . But 110 miGht then 'be
said that becauae the oannon. bad b en here for the seoond
time 10, e eowatry 18 now a oonquered tarr1 tory end the
peop1.e Br1t1eh aubJectli . t are e to think ~Wt on
account of beine: told thllt the R1eh Co:m:1iseioncr will take
a further step, for tile ttlktnG 'Of this turther 8 "1' 1a
just to f'oroe ,. to at in aooordanoe with th eo lsn . I
pray you Chlo1' . that :you rill not foroe 'lIS to operate
theae laws - they are impraotioable . Although :you hov.
be 11. uked to torce us , I ask you to listen to 118 when w.
say W8 ere unable to oomply '1111 tlI. ~. 18we . In t eir
present rom these lawa will evor be eood in is oOuntrfl
we say they shOuld Illttlreti to c ntorm to SetsotUID. custom.
as W(18 the or1s1nal ldea: the bad 1& 8 in our laa could
be noU:fled by tho Oevornmllnt and ronsona therfltor sl>'en..
U th18 h d been don at f1rst thElre 'tlOuld have b on no talk
today . I deIl7 that wa have ever B6l' ed to th 88 lao !III
h!lll boen a 1d and stated ~ publl0 jo~.
lffiAD1'AI\ mroBt:LE:
I say lie are unable . h 'Ie S1\f eD • report at
.,11 .hat :took p1 co t Pretor1a.
~ 'l'$n.mtEDI:
1 had forgotten one paint . 'lhero 1& 'the
allesatlon t t 8.0 laws war tr in oonsult tion with
us . 1: h :1)17 bOCo to state that e 1 • ware fr by the
Gover nt wltllout oci:lsU1.\ation w1 til \18. and aft r tll lmva
.. ore de w. w(Il"e asked how to put thm into ett Ct . Th1e
18 not conaultat1on.
Another "thing 18 this, t t today 1t :1e d1tf1oult
to n to 'People, the aoVarIll:OlGllt itselt export &Clod thU
d1t'f1oulty, but I eo surpr1BQd to tind that the Gov r ont:1e
forcing •• • • /
tore1 to do 'I1lhat it h en 'UlUlble to 40 . It 18 not
reaBonable to oonolUdfl tl at c use I WWI not in favour 1f1 th
the P;roolamat1ollB the 'P op1e hay b n Indue d to obloc . I
Qcve I1nS en a 10 to nom1nnto people evan th I
had sten1t1e4 iIrf obj otlen to such nOl:llnat1on. en t04.q
there are poople who are soleotod by the Oovarnment at
011001 Co::n1 ttees lU!d others tOken t\G AtlllfilSIIOrs to the
speOial court though I 41oapprov ot such ~,'not1on
on the erOUllds that auo w re th 'POopl. who do no iet
me 1n lniat1'$t1on. I h it no say in their ohola , nrl4
ehall lt be sald odq thnt b c use the Chief cnnnot JlQllliIlate
the Govemoent ls also WUlble to no nate' e are 110
loucer 41 cuse inS the 1 tEl ot the 1awa booause t1J:Je tor
that hIl8 be(ln passed. wlle.t a are d1:l1ne 'is just on
exureoelon of our ~e.l1ns 80 til t they oon b reoord • In regard to th e law8 , it he Government war IlOt
a nigh Ot1'le1al v a ou1 say thet the (;ovemoent hoa 1 olf
broken 1 ts on laws . '1'.\ Procl ttons WIder dlsc sion
are a c.t1n1t broaah ot th n- t7 aJId OlIatlt tlontll
e nth our fothan . I Mve old thftt e e.re
1'.0 lon ar dl ousslns but Hoord111C our toeltnea .
Z 1U14 ~ot hat in .acoordance with the g118h
pr1nalpl II now thtlt our Adt1inletI'Q.t1on hlld de II. lu whlCh
h s b n etrenuoe1.y o:ppoaed bY tho peopl.e. non a 1tlon
was e. by the "people 1n8t BUll ln1f a aepar te 'bOdy
'fIQuld b deWl to laton to lluah pet1tion and I attn
hUlllllly rcqu t the A.dn1n1!1tration to dv18. and ll1at \111 hOW
\hIe Pet1tion oan PI' ant to e l'1'1T;V councU, 80
at ttGr could b 1. t 1111 th according to th r1 til
(If the case . ar III h 88'18 to might have aomet 1ns
to 8ay.
IJAGISTRA'l'Jl :
I greet the c le1' and tribe . l: 111111 ap Ok :1n
lieh •••• /
eo .
~1Bh tOdllY. I hIlvll not a 61' ct d nl to say. I bav
only GOrlt! here ruJ a list IU:r . 'I'll position is c1 tU'.
The 18m has nlaa 4 on the Chiet the r 8noaa1bl1ity fn~
desten t1l1e hie councillors and up-tv- date th1& h(,8 not
b en. done . The BiC4 ommies on r gave the Ch1et to the
It.th of' this month cn.rry out the 1 ". The tt r 18
in t Hi. C seioner's.h 8. I til I can 0 . 8t
what mlgbt b a v1ce . at t e ieh C~iso1oner 18
8oekl118 18 not the reply thllt 'I no. unable"; he lIanta it
to b ea1d that "Inavo trl.d and I haVe ta11 d~ . That
80_ to ms Whnt he 1s ai'lo .1' . 0 pocple 8 y
As D1I!ane .ald, ho ever, only f in nut o.rlty can
lIay that . The Chlet cays "1 Btl Illl ble" . There is
lI.Othins tlOl' I W811t to so:'; Q:z:captlllg that I w111 oom y
what has bn pened to the Covornoent .
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