vancouver, bc july 27-30, 2015 committees/program update
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Vancouver, BC July 27-30, 2015
Committees/Program Update
Vancouver, BC July 27-30, 2015
Eric PuetzAT&T, Co-Chair
Sachin VasudevaCalix, Co-Chair
Certification Committee Update
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CE 2.0 Services Certification
1H13 2H13 1H14 2H14 1H150
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CE 2.0 Certified Services(cumulative)
Retail Wholesale
• 51 Service Providers
• 45 Equipment Manufacturers
• Program well established after 2.5 years
• Future growth will come primarily from Wholesale
• Major contribution expected from MEF Services Interconnect Program
• MEF engaging with ITU-T and European Commission to further accelerate adoption of CE 2.0
• Emphasis on certification toolkits for CE 2.0 companies
Montreal
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51CE 2.0 Service Providers
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MEF Certification in Leaderboards
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New Modular Approach• 100G
– 7 manufacturers in pilot phase– Announcements at GEN15
• E-Transit– Pilot starts 3Q15
• New Certification Model– Based on ‘Reference Circuit’
concept– Enables incremental certification
on top of existing or new CE 2.0 services
– 3 categories of certification modules proposed including Lifecycle and LSO
– First candidate module: Service Configuration and Activation
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MEF-CECP
Companies with Highest # of MEF-CECPs• Level 3 Communications (371)• Time Warner Cable (336)• Fujitsu Network Communications (152)• Coriant (136)
Jul 2012 Jul 2013 Jul 2014 Jul 20150
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Total Number of MEF-CECPs
• MEF-CECP Certification (as of July 25, 2015)– 3,402 MEF-CECPs
– 74 countries
– 364 employer organizations
• Standardized name of “MEF-CECP” to also include MEF-CECP 2.0 certification
• Expiry policy changed from ‘no expiry’ to ‘3 year validity’
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C3 Professional – Development Plan
• Ongoing development of new Professional Certification – ‘C3 Professional’
• Concepts and terminology for all areas of MEF work
• Prototype available 3Q15
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Ongoing Promotion of MEF Certification
Vancouver, BC July 27-30, 2015
Global MC Co-Chairs
Ralph SantitoroFujitsu
Rami Yaron Telco SystemsMatthew Duckworth
Verizon
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MEF Marketing Committee Teams• Regional Co-Chairs
– EMEA• Johan Witters
– Benelux• Johan Witters• Marc Panneel
– Nordics• Youcef Ayad
– South Africa• Gary Williams
– CALA• Emerson Moura • Andres Ramos
• MEF Staff– Bruno Giguere– Stan Hubbard– Mary Hecht-Kissell– Ana Maciel– Kevin Vachon
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• Launch of New The Third Net Vision• 8 New White Papers (most ever in 1 year)• Launched New Innovations Webinar Series• Launched New Seminar Series• GEN14 MEF Event• Launch of• Renewed attention to Social Media• Rebranding (Metro Ethernet Forum MEF)
– MEF.net, wiki.MEF.net
2014-2015 Highlights
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8 White Papers
Vision and StrategyBased on Network as a Service
Principles
November 2014
Carrier Ethernet and SDNPart 1
An Industry Perspective
August 2014
Carrier Ethernet and SDNPart 2
Practical Considerations
September 2014
CE 2.0 Service Management Lifecycle
August 2014
The Third Network Lifecycle Service
Orchestration Vision
February 2015
Understanding Bandwidth Profiles for
MEF 6.2 Service Definitions
June 2015
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Seminars, Workshops and Surveys
– Seoul, Tokyo, Bangkok, Bogota, Pretoria, Stockholm
• Event Workshops and Panel Sessions– (Paris, Mar. ‘15)
– Nordics Carrier Ethernet Event (Stockholm, Mar. ‘15)
– (Barcelona, Apr. ’15)
– NFV World Congress (San Jose, May ‘15)
– OpenFlow World Congress (Singapore, May ‘15)
• Surveys– Third Network, LSO, SDN, NFV Survey
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New Innovations Webinar Series
Upcoming Webinars• New MEF Professional Certification• Service Activation Testing Power Play• Mobile Backhaul
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Marketing Committee Working Groups and ProjectsSocial Media MarketingCo-Chairs: J. Parkhill & G. Nienaber
CE-NFV PositioningChair: Anthony Peres
Wholesale Ethernet ServicesChair: Bob Mandeville
Prof. Cert. MarketingChair: Mark Fishburn
MEF Social Media Presence• LinkedIn (Several
Groups), Twitter
Create Positioning of CE and NFV• Focus on Use Cases
Market Wholesale Ethernet work• OVC services, EIP,
ATIS/OBF
Market MEF-CECP
Ethernet Service ManagementChair: Isabelle Morency
Mobile BackhaulChair: Rami Yaron
CE Case Studies & Success StoriesChair: John Hawkins
Package & promote work on Ethernet service management• SAT Power Play, YANG
models, MIBs
Package & promote Front-, Mid-, Backhaul projects • Small Cell, • Multi-CoS
• Package and market use cases from GEN14 Ethernet Excellence Award submissions
2Q15 Vancouver Meeting
Vancouver, BC July 27-30, 2015
Welcome to Vancouver!
2015 MEF Q3 Meeting
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Service Operations MethodologyT
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DataModels
ApplicationProgramming Interfaces
Business Processes
Use Cases
Business Requirements
Proof ofConcept
Agile
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Orchestrated
Multi-DomainEthernetServices
Define, streamline and standardize processes for buying, selling, delivering and operating MEF-defined services.
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Service Operations Areas and Projects
• Lifecycle Service Orchestration Reference Arch.• Ethernet Service Lifecycle Process Model (MEF 50)• Ethernet Product Catalog• Ethernet Ordering• Ethernet Service Configuration and Activation• Ethernet Performance Reporting Framework
• Ethernet Service Qualification Questionnaire
• Ethernet Serviceability• Ethernet Interconnect Point
Lifecycle Management Partnership Management
Bold text indicates published MEF spec.
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Project Update – Lifecycle Management
IncubationProject
ApprovedCfC #1 CfC #2
Letter Ballot
Ratification
Lifecycle Service Orchestration Reference Architecture (Scott Mansfield)
MEF 50 - Ethernet Service Lifecycle Process Model (Brian Hedstrom)
IncubationProject
ApprovedCfC #1 CfC #2
Letter Ballot
Ratification
IncubationProject
ApprovedCfC #1 CfC #2
Letter Ballot
Ratification
Ethernet Product Catalog (August-Wilhelm Jagau)
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Project Update – Lifecycle Management
IncubationProject
ApprovedCfC #1 CfC #2
Letter Ballot
Ratification
Ethernet Ordering (Michael Bugenhagen/Dawn Kaplan)
IncubationProject
ApprovedCfC #1 CfC #2
Letter Ballot
Ratification
Ethernet Service Configuration and Activation (Jack Pugaczewski)
IncubationProject
ApprovedCfC #1 CfC #2
Letter Ballot
Ratification
Ethernet Performance Reporting (Chunming Liu)
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IncubationProject
ApprovedCfC #1 CfC #2
Letter Ballot
Ratification
IncubationProject
ApprovedCfC #1 CfC #2
Letter Ballot
Ratification
IncubationProject
ApprovedCfC #1 CfC #2
Letter Ballot
Ratification
Project Update – Partnership Management
Ethernet Services Qualification Questionnaire (Colin Stormont)
Ethernet Serviceability (Manoj Manoharan)
Ethernet Interconnect Point (Dan Blemings)
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Service Operations - RoadmapLifecycle Management
Partnership Management External
Product Service
Launch Products Service Conf. & ActivationEnd-to-End
Service TestingService Problem
Management
Billing & Revenue Management
Terminate Customer Relationship
Service & Resource Design
Capture Customer Order ENNI
Market Analysis & Product Strategy
Marketing Fulfillment Response Qualification Cross-Committee
Product Design Sales Proposal & Feasibility Contracting Cross-Forums
Awaiting Contribution
Active Contribution
Color LegendService Quality Management
Vancouver, BC July 27-30, 2015
2015 Q3 – Vancouver Meeting
Technical Committee
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MEF Work: 4 Technical Areas
CEN A CEN B
Services (Subscriber view)
User Network Interface (UNI)
Architecture (Functional View of
Interfaces & Services)
Management (Models, Service OAM,
Service Activation)
Services (Operator view)
External Network Network Interface (ENNI)
CE CE
Customer Equipment
CEN C
CEN
Services
APIs
Test (Abstract Test Suites)
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MEF Work: Services Area
CEN A CEN B
MEF 6.2 EVC Services (Subscriber view)
User Network Interface (UNI)
OVC Services (Operator view)
External Network Network Interface (ENNI)
CE CE
Customer Equipment
CEN CServices
Service Definitions
• OVC Services Definition
Service Attributes
• Amendment to MEF 10.3 - UNI Resiliency Enhancement
• ENNI and OVC Attributes (MEF 26.2)
• Ad hoc - Amendment to MEF 10.3 – No PHY
• Ad hoc - MEF Services with OpenFlow
Implementation Agreements
• Mobile Backhaul Phase 3
• Class of Service Phase 3
• Ad hoc – Token share (bandwidth profile)
LB
Virtual or Physical Endpoint
Virtual or Physical Endpoint
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Network Layer
SDN ControllerElement Management
Lifecycle Service Orchestrator
MPCEN A CEN B
CE CE
Customer Equipment
CEN C
MEF Work: Management AreaProtocol Neutral Information Model• MEF 7.3 CE Information Model• Cloud Services Management
Interface
Protocol Specific MIBs• SOAM PM MIB (SNMP) MEF
36.1• YANG Modules for MEF Services
Service Activation and Test• Amendment to MEF 49 SAT
Control Protocol & PDU Formats• Revision of MEF 48 for SAT for
EVC Services
LB
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Service & Resource Data Models
Service Data Models
Idea
MP
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Q3 2015 Decisions
Progress2015 Q2 - Lisbon
https://wiki.metroethernetforum.com/display/TC/2015Q2-TCMotions
2015 Q3 - Vancouver(Proposed)
New LBs 3 LB approved• MEF 36.1 (SNMP PM MIB)• OVC Services• MEF 45.0.1 (SAT PDU & Control)
AA UNI
New ADs 1 AD approved• OVC Services
AA UNIENNI & OVC (MEF 26.2)
New CfCBs 1 CfCB approved• AA UNI (MEF 10.3.z)
CoS IA (MEF 23.2)ENNI & OVC (MEF 26.2)MBH IA (MEF 22.2)YANG
New Work 1 Modified project proposal3 Ad hocs
1 Modified project proposal (YANG)~8 Ad hoc/project proposals
Other 2 Outgoing Liaisons
Vancouver, BC July 27-30, 2015
UNITE Report
MEF initiative to promote collaboration
among industry stakeholders for the definition, delivery
and management of open connectivity services
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Overview• MEF UNITE
– Involve key industry standards development bodies, associations and open source projects
• Goal– To accelerate deployment and realization of Agile, Assured and Orchestrated
network as a service – the Third Network• Scope
– Facilitate collaboration support for both internal (MEF and OCC) and external initiatives to enable the MEF Vision and Strategy in the industry
• Value– Communication among all parts of the MEF – Provide other industry organizations with a point of engagement with the
MEF for new projects and collaboration
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Empowerment
• UNITE works when membership engaged!
• Use UNITE to report on what is going on
• Use UNITE to help find contacts in another organization
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TM Forum• 2013-2014
• Use of eTOM for MEF 50• January 2015
• UNITE facilitates TM Forum presentation at Denver plenary• February 2015
• TM Forum invites MEF to TMF Action Week in Lisbon• UNITE facilitates MEF member-hosted TM Forum Business Model Canvas with
MEF members• April 2015
• TM Forum presents to SOC at Lisbon Quarterly Meeting• June 2015
• MEF co-champions Catalyst (based on GEN14 PoC) at TM Forum Live!• July 2015
• MEF presents on TM Forum Webinar on Zero Touch Orchestration• TM Forum – MEF joint working day in Vancouver
• UNITE facilitates/orchestrates• Development of strong relationship with
another industry organization’s leadership
• Close collaboration on multiple levels between SOC, TC and MC on the one hand and theindustry organization on the other
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ETSI• EVE002
– Report on MEF Carrier Ethernet Services Use Cases– This work is stalled in ETSI until the MEF has Virtualization
Use Cases ready to share– UNITE facilitating the sharing of work from the Marketing
Committee to get the ETSI NFV project back on track• EVE006
– Industry Landscape– Information has been provided as an individual
contribution– MEF SoC and TC may want to review request and submit
more information
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IETF• I see YANG people
• Routing Coordination– https://
trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgYangCoord – Provides list of all YANG models under development– Tools for compiling and verifying YANG– Pointers to the Repositories
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YANG work at IETF 93• Yang Data Model for DHCPv6 • YANG Data Model for IPv4-in-IPv6 Softwire
Configuration and Management• Yang module for IEEE 1588• LIME Base YANG Model Work Update • LMAP YANG Data Model• netconf-yang-patch• netconf-yang-library• netconf-yang-push• draft-wilton-netmod-intf-ext-and-intf-vlan-yang-00 • draft-ietf-netmod-yang-json-04• draft-ietf-netmod-yang-metadata-01 • YANG-Model-Coordination-Group (netmod)• draft-bogdanovic-netmod-yang-model-classification-03 • draft-mansfield-uml-to-yang-00 • YANG Model Coordination Group (opsarea)• 1 - L2VPN Yang • 4 - draft-lee-ccamp-wson-yang-02• 7 - draft-dharini-netmod-g-698-2-yang-04 • wu-idr-flowspec-yang-cfg • draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang-cfg• draft-raza-mpls-ldp-mldp-yang • MPLS YANG activities report • OSPF YANG Model • 7. L2VPN IETF Yang model - Patrice BRISSETTE
• 1.1. Status of TE Topology Yang Module• 2.4. YANG Model for PCEP• draft-mcallister-pim-yang• draft-liu-rtgwg-ipipv4-tunnel-yang • draft-chen-rtgwg-key-table-yang • draft-liu-rtgwg-yang-rip • draft-acee-rtg-yang-key-chain• draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model• draft-li-rtgwg-utunnel-yang• YANG Data Model for Segment Routing• YANG Data Model for TE Topologies• RSVP/TE Yang Models• Usage of IM for network topology to support TE To
pology YANG Module Development
• Topology requirements YANG Module Development
• draft-tran-ipecme-yang-ipsec • 5 - TWAMP Data Model (draft-cmzrjp-ippm-twamp
-yang-01)
• 6 - TWAMP Light YANG data model (draft-mirsky-ippm-twamp-light-yang-00)
Particular Interest to MEF
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Important Collaboration• YANG Doctors
– List of YANG modules• https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/slides/slides-93-netmod-16.pdf
– Tool help– http://www.claise.be/IETFYANGPageCompilation.html
• Interesting Statistics
• MEF should validate and support…– http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/ops/trac/wiki/YANGModelingEffortsinTheIndustry
• LIME – Layer Independent OAM Management in the Multi-Layer Environment– Creating a technology-neutral abstraction for OAM (MEP, MIP, CC, CV, LM, PM…
etc.)• BESS & PALS
– BGP Enabled Services– Pseudo-wire and LDP Enabled Services– Drafts that are defining YANG models for L2VPN common services (VPWS, VPLS)
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ITU-T• Study Group 15 meeting
– MEF Work update to the SG15 meeting (TD216/GEN)– A revision of G.8052 (Ethernet Equipment Information Model)
was consented (enters the approval process)• Study Group 13
– Lead study group on Cloud and SDN• Global Standardization Collaboration Meeting
– GSC-19 held in July– http://www.itu.int/en/ITU-T/gsc/19/Pages/default.aspx – Documents open to all– Topics Included
• Critical Communication and public safety• IoT• IMT-2020 (5G)
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ITU-T• Big Picture engagements• ITU-T Focus on “Trust”
– Meeting with Director of TSB– The “Assured” part of the Third Network Story
• Opportunity created by engaging…
Heavy Reading Insider: “The Telecom Industry Rates Its Standards & Trade Groups” Vol. 15 No. 5, May 2015
Vancouver, BC July 27-30, 2015
Mehmet Toy, Ph.DOCC Board Member,
Distinguished Engineer, Comcast
OpenCloud Connect Report
Technical Committee update• Ad-hoc on NFV and SDN resulted in the first version and Call for Comments of
the document 'OpenCloud 1.0 Reference Architecture with NFV and SDN Constructs' - concluded July 23
• Second Call for Comments for 'OpenCloud 1.0 Use Cases' - concluded July 22• Security WG - support the Security Test Case in OCP 1.0, draft cloud service
secure interface• Analytics WG - provide analytics attributes definition and support for the OCP
1.0 RT-CaaS test case
• In planning: • OpenCloud Interfaces • Implementation Agreements - generalize the three test cases (VM Mobility,
Security, CaaS) in OCP 1.0
Marketing Committee update• OCC value proposition eBook completed with quotes from OCC members – we
encourage you to read it!• Reviewing the whitepaper and use cases
Recruitment• Jeff Smith from Interxion taking lead on recruitment• Good number of leads generated from US & Interop • Proposed survey to engage existing and prospective members, especially SPs
and Cloud SPs (including MEF members)
Media coverage for OCC reference architecture and initial use cases• Significant coverage from NetEvents x 2• Good coverage Interop x2• TelecomTV coverage in Vancouver• Articles published for OCC by James (InformationWeek), Hongwen (UK Times),
and Anton (Cloud Computing World)
OCC Q2 COVERAGE ACROSS THE GLOBE !
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OCC Q2 Key Speaker ActivityOCC Speaker Activities 2015
March Cloud Expo Europe – James Walker - Speaker
April InfoTech China 2015 – Hongwen Zhang – Speaker
April NetEvents, San Francisco – Jeff Schmitz, Opening Keynote
April/May Interop Las Vegas - Sunil Khandekar, Keynote plus OCC panel
April (CWF) Telco Cloud – James Walker - Speaker
June DataCloud 2015 – James Walker - Speaker
June Interop London – James Walker – Keynote plus OCC panel
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Top OCC Prospects:• VMWare – considering• EMC – considering• Cloud Street – positive call• Tech2000 – positive call• Peer1 – positive call• Cloud66 – second call scheduled• Verne Global – second call scheduled• Amazon, Google, Microsoft – in progress
• 83 new enquiries / 48 contacted• Renewal discussions this month with Ciena &
Huawei
OCC Recruitment activity June/July
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OpenCloud Project
• Reference test bed to accelerate the development of industry standard Cloud networks and services
• Feedback from lab and field tests valuable resource for OCC technical work
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OpenCloud Testbed
OpenCloud Project Progress Report• First live demonstration of OpenCloud test bed during Interop in Las Vegas, April 2015 (with press
briefing during NetEvents in San Francisco)• "Secure and Managed Cloud Service" use case: nation-wide managed connection from Comcast connects the OpenCloud test
bed to a major IaaS Cloud Service Provider
• Extension of the test bed to include the other use cases resulting from the call for participation• "Real Time Communication as a Service" use case: managed connection from Tata Communications connects OpenCloud test
bed to Avaya Cloud Lab in Santa Clara• "Dynamic end-to-end connectivity use case”: data centers in London from Interxion connected to the OpenCloud test bed• "Virtual Machines mobility and redundancy use case”: Verizon Cloud connected to the OpenCloud test bed
• Technical tracks for the development of test cases identified:• Cloud connectivity baseline verification (Iometrix lead)• Cloud connectivity service activation and configuration (BTI/Interxion lead)• Cloud compute/storage baseline verification (Tata Communications/Iometrix lead)• Virtual Machines mobility and redundancy (Comcast/Tata Communications/Verizon lead)• Security (Wedge Networks lead)• Communication as a Service (Avaya lead)
• Draft of OCC 1.0 Iterative Test Suite in progress• Plan for a second live demonstration of the OpenCloud test bed during GEN15 in November 2015
OpenCloud Project & OCC Technical Committee Plans AheadCreate an agile standards process for cloud services based on use cases, compliance testing and real world deployments
Reference Architecture
Use Case 1
Use Case 2
Use Case 3
Use Case n
Test Plan 1
Test Plan 2
Test Plan 3
Test Plan n
Integrated Test Framework
Implementation Agreement 1
Implementation Agreement n
Get to know OpenCloud Connect“Open House” Wednesday 5pm – Salon FHere at the Vancouver meeting!
Name Change: OpenCloud Connect
• Align forum name with focus and mission
• Initiated and approved by board
• Press release issued on March 17th 2015
• New forum web site: www.opencloudconnect.org
Technical Committee Update• Ad-Hoc on NFV and SDN resulted in the first version and Call
for Comments of the document 'OpenCloud 1.0 Reference Architecture with NFV and SDN Constructs' - concluded July 23
• Second Call for Comments for 'OpenCloud 1.0 Use Cases' - concluded July 22
• Security WG - support the Security Test Case in OCP 1.0, draft cloud service secure interface
• Analytics WG - provide analytics attributes definition and support for the OCP 1.0 RT-CaaS test case
• In planning: • OpenCloud Interfaces • Implementation Agreements - generalize the three test cases
(VM Mobility, Security, CaaS) in OCP 1.0
Marketing Committee Update• Completed OCC value proposition eBook with quotes from OCC members• Reviewing the whitepaper and use cases• Media coverage for OCC reference architecture and initial use cases
• Significant coverage from NetEvents x 2• Good coverage Interop x2• TelecomTV coverage in Vancouver• Articles published for OCC by James (InformationWeek), Hongwen (UK
Times), and Anton (Cloud Computing World)
OCC Speaker Activities 2015
March Cloud Expo Europe – James Walker - Speaker
April InfoTech China 2015 – Hongwen Zhang – Speaker
April NetEvents, San Francisco – Jeff Schmitz, Opening Keynote
April/May Interop Las Vegas - Sunil Khandekar, Keynote plus OCC panel
April (CWF) Telco Cloud – James Walker - Speaker
June DataCloud 2015 – James Walker - Speaker
June Interop London – James Walker – Keynote plus OCC panel
OCC Q2 COVERAGE ACROSS THE GLOBE !
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• Jeff Smith from Interxion taking lead on recruitment• Good number of leads generated from US & Interop • 83 new enquiries / 48 contacted Top OCC Prospects:
• VMWare – considering• EMC – considering• Cloud Street – positive call• Tech2000 – positive call• Peer1 – positive call• Cloud66 – second call scheduled• Verne Global – second call scheduled• Amazon, Google, Microsoft – in progress
• Proposed survey to engage existing and prospective members, especially SPs and Cloud SPs (including MEF members)
Recruitment
OpenCloud Project
Create an agile standards process for cloud services based on use cases, compliance testing and real world deployments
Reference Architecture
Use Case 1
Use Case 2
Use Case 3
Use Case n
Test Plan 1
Test Plan 2
Test Plan 3
Test Plan n
Integrated Test Framework
Implementation Agreement 1
Implementation Agreement n
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OpenCloud Testbed
OpenCloud Project Progress Report• First live demonstration of OpenCloud test bed during Interop in Las Vegas, April 2015 (with press briefing
during NetEvents in San Francisco)• "Secure and Managed Cloud Service" use case: nation-wide managed connection from Comcast connects the
OpenCloud test bed to a major IaaS Cloud Service Provider
• Extensions of the test bed • "Real Time Communication as a Service" use case: managed connection from Tata Communications connects
OpenCloud test bed to Avaya Cloud Lab in Santa Clara• "Dynamic end-to-end connectivity use case”: data centers in London from Interxion connected to the OpenCloud
test bed• "Virtual Machines mobility and redundancy use case”: Verizon Cloud connected to the OpenCloud test bed
• Technical tracks for the development of test cases identified:• Cloud connectivity baseline verification (Iometrix lead)• Cloud connectivity service activation and configuration (BTI/Interxion lead)• Cloud compute/storage baseline verification (Tata Communications/Iometrix lead)• Virtual Machines mobility and redundancy (Comcast/Tata Communications/Verizon lead)• Security (Wedge Networks lead)• Communication as a Service (Avaya lead)
• Draft of OCC 1.0 Iterative Test Suite in progress• Plan for a second live demonstration of the OpenCloud test bed during GEN15 in November 2015
Get to know OpenCloud Connect“Open House” Wednesday 5pm – Salon FHere at the Vancouver meeting!