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NONDESTRUCTIVE TESTINGOCTOBER 2010

UNCONFIRMED MINUTESOCTOBER 19-21, 2010

OMNI WILLIAM PENN HOTELPITTSBURGH, PENNSYLVANIA, USA

These minutes are not final until confirmed by the Task Group in writing or by vote at a subsequent meeting. Information herein does not constitute a communication or recommendation from the Task Group and shall not be considered as such by any agency.

Tuesday, October 19, 2010 to Thursday, October 21, 2010

1.0 OPENING COMMENTS

1.1 Call to Order / Quorum Check

The Nondestructive Testing (NDT) Task Group was called to order at 8:02 a.m., 19-Oct-10.

It was verified that only SUBSCRIBER MEMBERS were in attendance during the closed portion of the meeting.

A quorum was established with the following representatives in attendance:

Subscriber Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)

NAME COMPANY NAME

* Chuck Alvarez Goodrich Corporation* Stephen Bauer Northrop Grumman Corporation* Mitch Birzer General Dynamics Corp.* Juergen Burchards MTU Aero Engines* Michael Clark Sikorsky Aircraft Corp.* Richard Costantino Goodrich Corporation* Michael Daehling Cessna Aircraft Company

Patrick Desrosiers Bombardier Inc.* Timothy Doane 309th Maintenance Wing – Hill AFB* Chris Dootson BAE Systems

Dieter Frentzen Goodrich Corporation* Greg Hall Cessna Aircraft Company* Sylvain Heon Bombardier Inc.* Robert Hogan Honeywell Aerospace* Edward Hohman Bell Helicopter Textron Inc.* Scott Iby Hamilton Sundstrand* Ron Levi Lockheed Martin Corporation

Michael Lingbloom 309th Maintenance Wing - Hill AFBLuigi Merletti AgustaWestlandRoger Mezenen 309th Maintenance Wing - Hill AFB

* Dale Norwood Parker Aerospace* Gary O’Neil Parker Aerospace* Robert Rainone Goodrich Corporation* Robert Reynolds The Boeing Company* Carl Roche Textron Systems* David Royce Pratt & Whitney Secretary

Daniel Ryan United Space Alliance* Bobby Scott Bombardier Inc.* Michael Shiplett Triumph Group, Inc.

Uri Sol Israel Aerospace Industries

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* Andy Statham Rolls-Royce plc Acting ChairpersonMarsha Stermer Department of DefenseTerho Sulkupuro Volvo Aero Corporation

* Scott Sullivan Honeywell Aerospace* Dominique Tomasso SAFRAN Group* Peter Torelli The Boeing Company* Louis Truckley The Boeing Company* David Vaughn Spirit AeroSystems

Tony Warren Airbus SAS UKSteve Wells Goodrich CorporationPeter Wong Goodrich CorporationRon DeJesus Goodrich Corporation

Other Members/Participants Present (* Indicates Voting Member)

NAME COMPANY NAME

John Abrahams RTI International Metals, Inc.Michael Ashton Hexcel Kent

* Andy Bakewell E. M. Inspection Co Ltd.David Beard PCC Airfoils LLC

* Mario Franco Bianchi Bytest S.r.l.* N. David Campbell West Penn Testing Group

Yongho Cho Avibank Mfg., Inc.Massimo Colombo AVIO S.p.A.Larry Culbertson Stork Materials Testing & Inspection

* Robert Custer AAA Plating & Inspection, Inc.Sharon Davis Northeast Testing & Mfg, LLCJim DeChellis West Penn Testing GroupSamson Mekuria PFW Aerospace AGFabienne DuFour Sherwin Babb Co.John Edwards Edwards Services

* Paul Evans James Fisher IMS Ltd.* Bill Evridge X-R-I Testing

Albert Fletcher West Penn Testing GroupBen Flores Applied Aerospace Structures Corp.Sarah Fuqua Kearfott Guidance & Navigation Corp.Steve Ganske Precise Machining & Mfg.Richard Gasset Lisi Aerospace

* Dave Gray Mitchell LabsStephan Greimers ThyssenKrupp VDMMichael J. Guthmiller Applied Aerospace Structures Corp.Ballard Hindman Advanced Coating TechniqueDon Horzewski Ladish Co, Inc.Gerard Hub G. Cotter Enterprises, Inc.Tiffani Ivins AcurenJeff Jones Alloy Processing, Inc.

* Richard King New Hampshire Ball Bearings* D.E. "Skip" McDougall Hitco Carbon Composites

Daniel McNulty Haley IndustriesJerome Mehal Corpus Christi Army DepotMark Miller CAD EnterprisesNorm Miller Senior Aerospace, Ketema Division

* Dave Mitchell Mitchell NDT Associates, LLCManfred Podlech IMP

* Mark Pompe West Penn Testing GroupMartin Reicher Bohler ForgingCatherine Renfer ESCO Turbine Technologies

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* Cindy Roth Team Industrial ServicesGuy Saenz Hi-Tech Metal FinishingDavid Bullard Hi-Tech Metal FinishingJohn Shue Modern Drop Forge LLC

* Ryan Soule Alcoa Power and Propulsion Howmet Kurt Steinhagen Metaltek InternationalJackie Sternot PAKO, Inc.Dawn Stokes PTI Industries Inc.Mark Tierney Laboratory Testing Inc.Marc Trepanier Composites Atlantic Ltd.Edward Warter Carmel Forge Ltd.

* Gary White Orbit IndustryTerrence White Special Metals Corp.Sean Wood Triumph Actuation SystemsBrian Yazumbek Modern Drop Forge LLC

PRI Staff Present

Mark AubelePhil FordMike Gutridge

1.2 Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes / RAIL Review – OPEN

Motion made by Dave Royce and seconded by Dave Vaughn to approve the June 2010 meeting minutes as written. Motion Passed

The Code of Ethics and the Antitrust policy were reviewed.

The RAIL items were reviewed.

2.0 TASK GROUP REGULAR BUSINESS ITEMS – CLOSED

Auditor Observations – Nine audits were observed since the June 2010 meeting. Comments by the observers were discussed.

The summary of observed Auditors was presented and discussed. Many Auditors have been observed several times recently while others have not been observed in quite some time. This is most likely due to location. Several Subscribers have volunteered to observe these Auditors.

Scope extensions – two audits completed.

Auditor Advisories - none issued.

Extensions - none issued.

Supplier Advisories - discussed.

NIP 7-04 was discussed as it pertains to re-entry audits conducted after a failed audit. The Supplier must wait three months before another audit, which will be considered an initial audit.

Failed audits - Two audits have been failed and neither was overturned.

Lapsed audits - Four audits have lapsed out of 648 conducted in 2010.

Issues with NIP 7-02, NIP 7-03, NOP-002, NTGOP-001, and NTGOP-001 Appendix 1 (NDT) were discussed. Details will be presented during the open meeting.

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NDT Sub-Committee and Ad-Hoc team members were reviewed.

Other items discussed were audit review training, audit observations, checklist vision statement, elimination of major / minor ratings, and the number of meetings per year possibly being reduced to two.

3.0 TASK GROUP RESOLUTIONS & CLOSED DISCUSSION POINTS – CLOSED

No resolution items were presented.

Items for the open meeting were discussed.

A Supplier has requested an extension - discussion ensued.

Motion made by Bobby Scott and seconded by Bob Hogan to not grant the requested extension.Motion Passed

4.0 ETHICS & APPEALS – CLOSED

No items were discussed.

5.0 NEW BUSINESS – CLOSED

A presentation of Level 3 Recertification by a credit system utilizing European National NDTB’s was given by Bobby Scott.

Accepting minor NCR’s on site – should this practice be continued? The Nadcap Management Council (NMC) has determined that each Task Group will decide if this practice will be utilized. NDT will continue to have the option to accept minor NCR’s on site.

Supplier Advisories – There may be changes in the categories of advisories, this is being investigated by the NMC.

There was discussion about whether etch-approved Auditors should receive additional training for etch audits.

An Ad-Hoc Group will be created to explore if additional training maybe needed. Interested parties should contact Scott Sullivan and/or the Chairperson.

ACTION ITEM: Scott Sullivan and Ad-Hoc group to explore additional etch training possibilities. This item is tabled as there were no volunteers for the team. (DUE DATE: N/A)

Mike Shiplett has been approved to review and vote on audits based on the criteria.

The NCR Template Revision Team of Staff Engineers has been reviewing the classification and characterization of NCR’s. The study was presented and discussed. Potential revisions to eAuditNet would include removing some Auditor’s eAuditNet options after documenting a nonconformance and adding others. eAuditNet would then auto-classify the NCR as Minor or Major based on the information entered by the Auditor.

Several Supplier issues were discussed.

6.0 SUPPLEMENTS – CLOSED

The following Supplement revision proposals were reviewed: AC7114S, AC7114/1S, AC7114/2S AC7114/3S, AC7114/4S. Revisions were for U1 and U11.

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Motion made by Bob Reynolds and seconded by Pete Torelli to approve the proposed revisions to the supplements. Motion Passed

Supplement revisions for U14 for AC7114/1S and AC7114/4S were presented.

Motion made by Dave Vaughn and seconded by Bob Hogan to approve the proposed revisions to the supplements. Motion Passed

7.0 PRI REPORT / RAIL / NMC METRICS – OPEN

The NDT Staff Report, RAIL, and NMC Metrics were presented – see attached.

Staff delegation for Mark Aubele, Jim Bennett, Phil Ford and Mike Gutridge was presented and reviewed.

8.0 SUPPLIER REPORT & DISCUSSION – OPEN

Gary White presented the Supplier Support Committee (SSC) report – see attached.

9.0 AD-HOC PANEL REPORTS – OPEN

The members of the Ad-Hoc panels were presented and reports given. Phased Array, NAS 410 Rev 3, Filmless Radiography, MRO, and Eddy Current are the current Ad-Hoc panels.

10.0 Nadcap & NDT PROCEDURE REVIEW – OPEN

Procedure Review and Revision report was presented – see attached.

11.0 AQS LIAISON – OPEN

Scott Sullivan presented the AQS Liaison report – see attached.

12.0 TECHNICAL ISSUES AND OPEN DISCUSSION ITEMS – OPEN

Key discussion points:

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It was proposed that Phil Keown of GE Aviation continue to serve as Chairperson for a three-year term.

Motion made by Pete Torelli and seconded by Dave Vaughn to re-affirm Phil Keown as the NDT Task Group Chairperson for a three year term. Motion Passed

LED lights: At this time no Subscriber prohibits their use, or states they are allowed.

The tumbling “E” eye exam: Procedure must state the method of eye exam the Supplier is using. The British NDT board will be mandating this method for the eye exam.

Specific exam questions: The specific exam must contain non-look up type questions.

What is the definition of monthly for the monthly checks? Checks will be performed at least once a month.

Refractometer check new material - Is an initial refractometer check required when emulsifier is mixed and then discarded after use or within one week? The answer is yes.

Calibration of oven controller must be done while the oven is on.

TAM panel crack growth: If a panel’s indications change over time can the panel be “re-baselined”? If it is determined that the growth was due to a change in the panel and not the system, then yes. Several other TAM panel items were discussed.

Inspection trainees and direct observation: Is the wording of direct supervision vs. direct observation (as stated in NAS 410) acceptable? If the definition of direct supervision as defined in the supplier’s Written Practice is consistent with the NAS 410 definition of direct observation it is acceptable.

Examinations: If a new exam is required as a result of a corrective action during an audit, how is it to be handled? New questions or a new test to be administered depending on the extent of the finding. The Auditor needs to be clear on the discrepancy and the Supplier needs to give clear corrective action on their investigation. This will tell the Task Group and Staff Engineers the course of action. Additional questions are not to be given at the next certification; this must be corrected as part of the corrective action for the NCR.

Technique Signatures: Supplier Level 3 signature on technique means it is acceptable unless customer approval is required. Putting N/A or NR or leaving Customer approval block blank is okay if the part does not require customer approval. There is no AS9100 requirement to have all blocks filled in. The Auditor must investigate to determine if Customer approval is required.

The work instruction for Auditor Advisories and Supplier Alerts was discussed. An attempt will be made to include distribution of Auditor Advisories to the Suppliers.

Known defect samples: Can the same pieces be utilized for each certification cycle?

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to query the NAS 410 group – Are the test specimens utilized for practical exams required to be different for each certification cycle. Can the same pieces be used for the recertification exams that were used for previous exam? (DUE DATE: 15-Feb-11)

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to issue an Auditor Advisory/Supplier Alert in regards to signature blocks on techniques not being required to be completed if customer signature is not required. (DUE DATE: 15-Nov-10)

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to issue an Auditor Advisory/Supplier Alert in regards to specific exams and the recent clarifications received from the AIA. (DUE DATE: 15-Nov-10)

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ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to issue an Auditor Advisory/Supplier Alert defining that if the definition of direct supervision as defined in the supplier’s Written Practice is consistent with the NAS 410 definition of direct observation it is acceptable. (DUE DATE: 15-Nov-10)

13.0 NEW BUSINESS – OPEN

A presentation of Level 3 Recertification by a credit system utilizing a European National NDT Board’s was given by Bobby Scott.

What is the expectation of certification reports of FPI materials to the test reports? Does the cert need to reference the batch number? This question will be investigated by the Sub-Committee Chair.

ACTION ITEM: Pete Torelli and/or the PT Sub-committee will investigate the expectation of certification reports of FPI materials to the test reports? Does the certificate need to reference the batch number? (DUE DATE: 15-Feb-11)

Motion made by Gary White and seconded by Dave Vaughn to approve Mike Aston of Excel Corp., Guy Saenz of Hi-Tech Metal Finishing Mfg., and Dave Mitchell of Mitchell NDT Assoc. as Supplier Voting Members. Motion Passed

eAuditNet training for “new” Subscriber members was conducted with the following in attendance: Michael Lingbloom, Luigi Merletti and Sean Wood. Present Subscribers attending were Bobby Scott, Chris Dootson, Michael Shiplett, David Vaughn and David Royce. Training provided by Staff Engineer Phil Ford.

Andy Statham gave a report on the Planning & Ops and NMC meetings:

The Task Group meetings will continue to be three a year.

The designation of satellite facility will remain as is.

There is a revised meeting agenda format that will be in place for the next meeting. There will be a one-hour Chairperson and Staff Engineer round-table meeting and the NMC meeting will be pushed to Thursday.

The NMC is continuing to investigating Auditor Consistency. A sub-team has been formed.

eQuaLearn training classes during the meetings will be free. Programs and topics can be prepared as requested.

An independent observer from the PRI board of directors (Steve Wells) attended the NDT meeting on Tuesday as part of the Oversight Team. This was unknown to NDT at the time.

Supplier Symposium: Several Compliance Assessment Guidance statements were presented and discussed. Subscriber-presented specification flow down details, and water washable penetrant were discussed following a presentation by Bell Helicopter.

An Ad-Hoc team was formed to investigate 18-month merit criteria of extended frequency audits. Members are Scott Sullivan, Ryan Soule, Greg Hall, Dave Vaughn, and Bob Reynolds.

ACTION ITEM: Ad-Hoc Team (Sullivan, Soule, Hall, Vaughn, Reynolds) to investigate merit criteria of extended frequency audits. (DUE DATE: 15-Feb-11)

Discussion ensued concerning creating a NDT Supplier Technical Support Group.

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14.0 CHECKLIST DISCUSSION – OPEN

Checklists – AC7114, AC7114/1, AC7114/2, AC7114/3 ballot comments were presented and discussed. No comments were received on AC7114/4. A 14-day affirmation ballot will be in effect per Acting Chairperson Statham.

ACTION ITEM: The AC7114 Sub Group and Pete Torelli to investigate revising paragraph 6.11.1, and 6.12.3, Compliance Assessment Guidance, concerning accounting for the tolerance of the dryer. (DUE DATE: 30-Nov-10).

Motion made by Ed Hohman and seconded by Dave Vaughn to not include a baseline for system performance checks of AC7114/2 paragraph 6.2.2.2, and 6.2.3.2 Compliance Assessment Guidance. Motion Passed

ACTION ITEM: PRI Staff to issue an Auditor Advisory/Supplier Alert ensuring the understanding that there is no baseline requirement in regards to the magnetic particle system performance check utilizing the ketos or AS5282 rings. (DUE DATE: 15-Nov-10)

15.0 DEVELOP AGENDA FOR FEBRUARY 2011 – OPEN

A proposed agenda was presented.

16.0 RAIL REVIEW – OPEN

Completed.

17.0 MEETING FACILITATION FEEDBACK – OPEN

The Feedback form was completed.

ADJOURNMENT – 21-OCT-10 – Meeting was adjourned at 2:30 p.m.

Minutes Prepared by: David N. Royce email: [email protected]

RAIL: (OPTIONAL)

***** For PRI Staff use only: ******

Are procedural/form changes required based on changes/actions approved during this meeting? (select one)

YES* NO

*If yes, the following information is required:

Documents requiring revision:

Who is responsible: Due date:

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