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Page 1: Tumbling: Good/Fast/Cheapshenandoahvalleyrockclub.org/resources/documents/SVGMS...Fast + Cheap Buy prefab Buy partially tumbled Collect from natural sources Tumbling Solutions Good

Tumbling: Good/Fast/Cheap

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Not This Kind of Tumbling!

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Disclaimer

•I am not an expert!•There’s a very great many approaches/tools/materials, so...

•Your mileage may vary!

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What is Tumbling?Mother Nature’s Version...

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What is Tumbling?...The Lapidary Version

•Continual mechanical abrasion of stones to produce a polished surface on the stones

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How Does It Work?Imagine these to be the surfaces of a stone...

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Tumbling Might Not Be For You If...•Washing dishes bums you out•You have “Destinesia” -

• I.e., Destination Amnesia• Can’t remember what you walked into a room for

• (Pre-cursor to “CRS Syndrome”)

•Instant gratification is your life’s purpose• Not gonna happen with this pursuit

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Why Tumble Rocks?•Make rocks pretty!•Prepare “cabs” for projects w/o having a cabbing machine

•Test new materials for ‘polish-ability’•Make scraps from other projects useful

•Introduction to lapidary techniques•Practical application of mineralogy

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Tumbling Processes•Wet

• The abrasive is in a medium such as water

•Dry• The abrasive is in a medium such as ground walnut shells

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Tumbling Technologies•Rotational

• Single axis• Dual axis

•Mechanical vibratory•Electro-magnetic vibratory

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Rotary Tumblers - Single Axis

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Rotary Tumblers - Dual Axis

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Rotary Tumblers - Dual Axis

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Vibratory Tumblers

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E/M Vibratory Tumblers

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Tumbling Technologies•Rotational

• Shapes stones best• Less costly in general• Slowest

•Mechanical vibratory• Shapes stones less• Faster

•Electro-magnetic vibratory• Speed!

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Tumbling Requirements•Rocks•Abrasives•Medium•Patience•More patience

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What Can You Tumble?•Rocks - Glass•Flats•Rounds•Possible sizes a function of tumbler dimensions

•For best results, materials of similar hardness are best

•For best results, a mix of sizes is best

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Things That Matter•Cleanliness•Attention to detail•Consistency•Did I mention patience?

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Factors To Consider•How hard is the material?•How similar in hardness are the individual pieces of the material?

•How “brittle” is the material?•What’s (chemically) in the material?

• Example: Bumble Bee Jasper = Arsenic!

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Tumbling - Other Necessities•Location where noise isn’t an issue•Access to used grit disposal area•Ceramic pellets•Plastic beads•Burnishing compounds•Dishwashing soap•Strainers•Brushes for scrubbing

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The Process - Overview•Shaping•Grinding•Polishing•Burnishing

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The Process - Shaping Gen’l•Best accomplished with a rotary tumbler & wet process

•Select materials & abrasives•Prepare equipment•Make notes•Combine materials/abrasives/water•Energize!•Monitor & inspect

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The Process - Shaping•Clean materials•Add to tumbler•Add abrasive

• Coarse grade (46 - 60- 80 - 100)

•Add water•Add ceramic pellets•Add a LITTLE dishwashing soap•Go

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The Process - Shaping Cont’d•Check on process daily•One week passes...

• Clean materials• Add back to tumbler• Add fresh abrasive

• Coarse (46 - 60 - 80 - 100)

• Add water• Add a LITTLE dishwashing soap

•Continue 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 weeks...

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The Process - Grinding Gen’l•Best accomplished with rotary or vibratory tumbler & wet process

•Select materials & abrasives•Prepare equipment•Make notes•Combine materials/abrasives/water•Energize!•Monitor & inspect

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The Process - Grinding•Clean materials•Add to tumbler•Add abrasive

• Medium (220 - 400 - 600)

•Add water•Add addt’l ceramic pellets (if needed)•Add a LITTLE dishwashing soap•Go

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The Process - Grinding Cont’d•Check on process daily•Up to one week passes...

• Clean materials• Add back to tumbler• Add fresh abrasive

• Medium (220 - 400 - 600)

• Add water• Add a LITTLE dishwashing soap

•Continue 2 - 3 - 4 weeks...

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The Process - Polishing Gen’l•Best accomplished w/ vibratory or E/M tumbler & dry process

•Select materials & pre-polish or polish•Prepare equipment

• Recommend separate vessel for polish!

•Make notes•Combine materials + abrasives•Energize!

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The Process - Polishing•Check on process daily•Up to one week passes...

• Clean materials• Add to tumbler• Add fresh abrasive

• Pre-polish (1200)

• Add water• Add a LITTLE dishwashing soap

•Continue 1 - 2 weeks...

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The Process - Polishing Cont’d•Check on process daily•Up to one week passes...

• Clean materials• Add to tumbler• Add fresh abrasive

• Polish (Aluminum Oxide or others)

• Add water• Add a LITTLE dishwashing soap

•Continue 1 - 2 weeks...

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The Process - Burnishing•Considered optional by some•Puts final “shine” on materials•Softer abrasive “buffs” the material•Method depends on tumbler used

• Ivory soap flakes• Borax• “Home-made” Vibra-Dry

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Abrasives•Silicon Carbide

• SiC• = Carborundum• = Moissanite• Mohs hardness: 9 - 9.5• Silicon carbide is sharper and harder than standard forms of aluminum oxide.

• It has needle-like grains that resemble shards of broken glass

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Abrasives

•Aluminum Oxide• Al2O3

• = Corundum• = Linde A & B• Mohs hardness: 9.0• It tends to wear down until it becomes too dull to cut efficiently

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Abrasive “Sizes”• Grit = Mesh = Microns• Smaller Mesh = Bigger (coarser) particles• Coarse: ≤ 100• Medium: ≤ 400• Fine: ≤ 600• Pre-Polish: 1200• Polish: ≥ 1200

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Lessons Learned•Grit grinds everything•Weight + wet + continuous motion = Death to things mechanical

•Quality of materials directly impacts degree of success

•Attention to detail - ditto•Watch the weather forecast

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Things I Wouldn’t Do Again

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Back to the Original Premise...

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Tumbling Solutions

Fast + Cheap

✓Buy prefab✓Buy partially tumbled✓Collect from natural sources

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Tumbling Solutions

Good + Cheap

✓DIY equipment✓Limited equipment investments✓Buy abrasives in bulk✓Meet someone with quality scraps

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Tumbling Solutions

Good + Fast•Multiple methods•Equipment investments w/ an eye to steady production•Buy materials in bulk•Make quality scraps

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Demo’s•Recharging abrasive for second week of shaping in rotary tumbler

•Moving to 50,000 polish in eletro-magnetic vibratory tumbler

•Final results to be revealed at subsequent meeting(s)

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Now What?•So you’ve got a pile of tumbled stones...• Bring to rock shop and turn into “cabs”• Build a collection

• Including ‘before’ & ‘after’ samples

• Give as gifts• Turn into craft projects

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Some Suggestions...

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Recommendations For Getting Started

•Decide your level of interest/involvement

•Acquire equipment consistent w/ that•More time spent = less money spent•More money spent = less time spent•Make sure this will be fun!

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Resources•DIY

• Kreigh’s: http://tomaszewski.net/Kreigh/Minerals/Homemade.shtml

•Community forums• RTH: http://andy321.proboards.com/

•Commercial suppliers• JS Gems: http://www.jsgemslapidary.com/

• The Rock Shed: http://therockshed.com/

• Kingsley North: http://www.kingsleynorth.com/

• Jesco: http://www.jescoproducts.com/

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Questions?

(Related to rock tumbling, that is...)

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Door Prizes

Parcel of tumbled stones

Wire-wrapped tumbled stone

Tumbling “Starter Kit” (As Is!)

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Thanks!(Presentation will be published on club web site in the near future)