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Bulletproof Toolbox Podcast #266, Reed Davis

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Dave: Hey,everyone.It’sDaveAsprey.WithalltheappsouttheretodaythatIusetomonitormysleep,improvemybrainormonitorsensitivities,cellphoneshavebecomeanincredibleusefulbiohackingtool,butwhenitcomestoyourphone,youcanhavesomerestrictionsthataren’tcool.Thingslikeacontractorhavingtochoosefromalonglistofdauntingphoneplans,gettinginthewayofhavingfunwithyourphone.Tingiskickasscompanyworkingtodisruptaverybrokenmobileindustrywhereconsumersdon’thavechoice,freedomortransparencyfromthebigcorporateplayers.

Wouldn’titbesimpletojustpayforwhatyouuseonyourphone?WithTing,youuseless1month,thenyoupayless.Youusemoreandyou’llpayabitmore.It’sassimpleasthat.There’snocontracts.Youcanleaveanytimewithoutapenaltyandyoucankeepyourcurrentnumbertoo.MyproduceronBulletproofRadiousesTingandlovesit.Sheravesabouttheircustomerserviceandthatherbillshaveneverbeencheaper.

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Speaker2: BulletproofRadio.Astateofhighperformance.

Dave: Hey,it’sDaveAspreywithBulletproofRadio.Today’scoolfactofthedayisthatplantslikehumansandanimalsusehormonestocontroltheirgrowthandmetabolismbutunlikeus,animals,plantsdon’thave


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anendocrinesystematall,insteadtheymakehormonesineachplantssolocally.We’realittlebitmoreadvancedthanplantsbutplantsstilltastegood.Speakingofplantsthattastegood,ifyouneverhadachancetotrytheBulletproofUpgradeCacaoButter,thisissomethingthatIdon’ttalkaboutalot.Thisisjustthefatfromchocolate.

WhatIdowithitisItakejustateaspoonofitandIputitinmyBulletproofcoffee.Itaddsthisamazingafter-noteofchocolate.Iuseitindesserts.Justalittlebittodessertandallofasudden,there’savelvetyfinishtoit.Nottomentionthat,hey,it’schocolate.Ithasthatchocolateflavorbutit’snotanoverpoweringchocolateandit’snotahighcaffeinekindofthing.Ifyoureally,reallyappreciatechocolate,cacaobutterisamazingandcacaobutterisalsothepartofthechocolatethatcanconcentratethefatsoluble,mycotoxinsthathappenduringthefermentationofchocolatewhichiswhyofcoursewelabtest,upgradedcacaobutter.Checkitout.

Today’sguestisaguywhoI’veknownaboutforquiteawhileandI’mreallyeagertohavehimontheshow.He’saclinicalnutritionistandhe’sthefounderoftheFunctionalDiagnosticNutritionClinic.HeisnoneotherthanReedDavis.He’sprobablyoneofthemostsuccessfulandexperiencedcliniciansaroundthatyoucouldfindanywheretoday.

He’slookedat11,000peopleusingfunctionallabassessmentstotalkaboutadrenals,digestion,detoxlevels,thehealthofyourmucosalbarrier,bonedensityandallsortsofotherdietandnutritionrelatedthings.Ichallengeyoutofindanythingthatisn’tsomehownutritionrelated.Reed,welcometothisshow.

Reed: Thanksverymuch,Dave.Pleasuretobeherewithyou.

Dave: Allright.Whatisfunctionaldiagnosticnutrition?Justgivemethedefinition?

Reed: Fantastic.It’saphrasethatIcoinedtodescribeasystemthatIdevelopedandit’sasystemoflookingatunderlyingcausesandconditionssothatwecanactuallyhealapersonbyidentifyingthehealingopportunities.What’sreallywrongwiththepersoninsteadof


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justchasingthesymptomswithlotions,potions,powders,orpills,orgodforbidsurgeryorsomethinglikethat.It’saninvestigativesystemlookingatunderlyingcauses.Thenofcoursetheprotocolsareallcompletelynatural.Nodrugsinvolved.It’sbehaviorbasedprotocols.It’slookingatwhat’sreallywrongandknowinghowtofixit.

Dave: Allright.Let’sjumpinonafewthingsthatwe’llcallitwrongwithpeoplethattheydon’treallyknowabout.OneofthethingsthatIdiscoveredthroughthecourseofbecomingbulletproofanddevelopingthesetofrecommendationsinmyworkisthatmostpeoplearenowherenearoptimalbuttheythinkI’mdoingprettywell.I’mdoingallright.Icandothis.Icandothatbuttheydon’tunderstandthedeficitsbecauseeitherthey’veneverfeltasgoodastheircapableoffeelingorthedeficitsjustcreptinsothey’reinvisible.Youthinkyou’re100%butyou’rereallyat50or60%andthentheextracapacityjustisn’tthere.Let’sstartwiththyroid.Howcommonisitforpeopletohavejustalittlebitofthyroidthat’soff?

Reed: It’svery,verycommonandit’ssomethingthat’sgoingtoadapttoyourenvironmentandsotypicallytheadaptationistoslowdownmetabolism.Ifthebodythinksit’sunderstressanditis,godforbid,who’sisn’t,thebodyisgoingtowanttogointohibernationtosomeextent.Sincethyroidregulatesmetabolism,it’sveryeasyforthethyroidtoadaptively,naturally,andslowdownabitwhichasyouknowthemoreandmorethatprogresses,you’regoingtoendupbeingcalledhypothyroid,yourunderactivethyroidandreallyitcouldjustbeanadaptation.

Now,I’vestudieditprettythoroughlyallthethingsitcaninfect,anykindofendocrineoutputbutespeciallythyroid,becauseasyoujustmentioned,itissocommon.Imean,there’smillionsofpeopleonthyroidmedicationandIwouldventuretosay,andthisisjustbasedonmyownexperience,about80%ofthem,there’snothingwrongwiththeirthyroid.

Dave: Really?80%ofpeopleonthyroidmedication,don’thavethyroidproblems?


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Reed: Myopinionisthattheirdiagnoseishypothyroidbecausetheonlytesteverrunisathyroidhormonetest.Ifyourthyroidisalittlelow,that’sgoingtoshowuponbloodworkandthetypicalstandardmedicineapproachistojustlet’sbeefitupalittlebit.Here’ssomethyroidhormone.Myquestionandthequestionofyourfollowersaswellasmineisthatwhat’swrongwiththethyroid?WhyamIhypothyroid?

Now,15yearsago,whenIwasstartingthestudyofthisstuff,Iwenttoaphysicianandsaidifsomeone’sthyroidislow,istheresomethingtheycandoaboutthat.No,theyjustneedmedicationfortherestoftheirlifeandofcourseyou,DaveandIwouldnotacceptthatandwe’dgo,“No,Iwanttofindoutwhat’sreallywrongwiththethyroid.”I’vespentadecade-and-a-halflookingintothingslikethyroiddysfunctionandwhat’sreallywrong.ItgetsquitecomplexbutI’mhappytogowhereveryouwanttogowiththat.

Dave: BulletproofRadioisaboutperformingwell.There’sabiggroupofpeoplewhoknowtheyhavealittlesomethingwrong.Maybetheyknowtheyhaveabigsomethingwrongandthere’sanothergroupofpeoplewhosay,I’mprettymuchkickingassalldaybutIwanttokickmoreass.It’sjustthethyroid’sroleinthebodyisbasicallyanenergythermostat.IttellsthebodytoproduceenergyandofcourseI’mgeneralizingbutitseemslikehackingthethyroidfunctionsothatitisexactlywhereyouwantittobewhethertobringituptonormalorifitsnormaltomakesurethatit’seithergoingtostaynormalorevenmaybegiveyoualittlebitofextraenergyattherighttimes.Whatarethebigleverstocontrolthethyroidsothatyourbodywilldowhatyouwantittodo?

Reed: That’sareallygreatquestion.Asyousaid,thethyroidregulatesmetabolismsoitcanturnthethermostatupabitasyousaidwhenneeded.Whennotneededorwhenthebodyperceivesthatitshouldslowdownmetabolism,toconserveenergyandresources,whathaveyou,itwilldothat.Again,Ithinkit’sanadaptiveresponsetotheamountofstressthatwe’reunder.

Now,thesedifferentstressors,Icallthem,you’lllovethisphrase,contributorstoMetabolicChaos.Whenit’ssubjectedtostress,itstartstobreakdownaninfinitenumberofwaysanditwilleventuallycreate


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chaoticmetabolism.Icallitmetabolicchaos.Now,thyroidobviouslyisgoingtobehighlyinvolvedinitbutthethyroidisjustoneglandandisbeingsentmessagesfromotherglandssuchasthepituitaryandhypothalamus.

Thehierarchywehavethishypothalamus,wehavethispituitaryandthenwehavethethyroidwhichisgoingtoproducesomethyroidhormonewhichisgoingtobeboundupfirstsotheycantravelthroughoutthebodyandbeusedlateratthecorrecttimeandcorrectreceptorsandthings.Italsohastobeconvertedbecauseasyouknowthisisbasicphysiology,thyroidhormonehastobeconvertedfromT4toactiveT3.

Now,thattakesplaceintheliver.Now,onceit’sconvertedtoausableformandhopefullynotintotheunusableforms,it’sgoingtogoonandbeusedbythecells.There’ssomeotherelementsinthereusedbythecells.Itcanbedisruptedandinthecourseexcessthyroidneedstobeclearedsowe’rebacktotheliverandclearing.

Now,Ijustmentioned7differentwaysthatathyroidcanbechaotic.There’sthismetabolicchaosgoingon.Startwiththathypothalamus.Thatthensendsoutamessagetothepituitaryandthatpituitarysendsoutamessagetothethyroid.Hey,regulatemetabolismthyroid.Thehypothalamusisinfluencedbyneurotransmitters,theimmunesystem,theautonomicnervoussystem,otherhormonesinthebody.Ifthosearealsorespondingorchaoticinsomeway,you’regoingtohavemixmessagesatbestfromthehypothalamus.YougetthechainofeventsI’mgoingthroughhere.

Dave: Justtopulloneofthosethingsout,theautonomicnervoussystem.Thefightorflightmechanismsinthebody.Thatcontrolsthehypothalamuswhichcontrolsthepituitary,whichcontrolsthethyroid.

Reed: Itcontrolsthethyroidandlotofotherorgans.

Dave: Manyotherslikeprohormone,oxytocin.Alotofthesethingsthatarefundamentaltostayingstrongandtostayingyoungarecontrolledbythiscomplexpathway.Ifyou’rebasicallystressedallthetime,you’re


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goingtosendasignaltothehypothalamustothepituitary,thentoyourthyroid,intoyourgrowthhormoneandtoalltheseotherthings.

Thenyou’velostcontrol.Asbiohackers,aspeoplewanttogaincontrolofthesystem,howdoyouknowatwhatlevelofthatsystemtointervene.There’snutritionalandenvironmentalimpactsandstressimpactsatthetopofthechainandthroughoutthechainoritmayjustbeyourhypothalamusisjackedoryourpituitaryglandisjackedbecauseyou’reimmunesystemisattackingitoryourthyroidmayhaveanautoimmunereactionlikeIsabellaWiensistalkedaboutontheshow.There’sallthisdifferentthings.Howwouldameremortalsitdownandsayallright.IwantthisstufftoworkandIwanttoreallywell.Iwantaprofessionalracecargradechainofthingsthatsupportmythyroid.Wheredoyoustart?

Reed: Greatquestion.Thethingtorealizefirstisthewayyouthinkaboutthis.Youhavetostartwiththefactthatyoujustsingleoutthethyroidandtreatthethyroid,youwillnotperformaswellassomeonewhousesallthegeneralprinciplesofhealthbuilding.Markmywordshere.Generalprinciplesdoesoutperformspecifictreatments.

Thisisastretchforsomepeoplebutifyouhavethyroiddysfunctionoradrenaldysfunctionorsexorgandysfunction,forgetaboutthatforaminuteandstartthinkingaboutyourselfasawholebody,awholeperson.Thethingsthataregoingtoinfluence,thegeneralprinciplesinvolvearethatyouhavetoeatreallywell,youhavetogetreallygoodrest,youhavetoexerciseofcourse.Youhavetoreducestressineverywaycanbeidentifiedandmaybecomealittlemoreawareofstressorsthatyou’renotawareofandthenofcoursethere’swaystobeefup.SupplementationisveryimportantIbelieve.

Now,IcallthatbythewaymyDRESSforhealthsuccessprogram.It’sjustaholisticprogram,DRESSisDietRestExerciseStress-ReductionSupplements.Ifyouwanttoperformyourvery,verybest,thereobviouslyaresignsofwhetheryou’regettingthere.Idon’twanttodigresstoofaroffthequestionbutyoumentionedthatsomepeopledon’tevenknowwhathighenergyandclearthinkingandgreatperformancefeelslikeanymore.They’vehadtheirrheostatturned


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down.Ilovethatideaofburningbrightlylikeacandlefortherestofyourlife.Youshouldburnjustasbrightat40orat80asyoudidat25or30.

Dave: Correct.

Reed: Welearnedthatyou’reolder.Lessclearthinking,lessenergy,lesssexualpotent,differentthingswhichyouandIthinkisnonsenseoratleastthat’sthebattlethatwe’rein.Youhavetostartthinkingthatthegeneralprinciplesofhealthbuildingwilloutperformspecifictreatmentsoifyouhaveslowthyroid,lowmetabolism,nowyou’dknowbythefactthatyou’regainingalittleweight.Youmighthavesomecolderortinglyextremities.Youcanhaveconstipation.Youcouldfeelblueandsadinthesekindsofthings.

That’saverytypicalthyroidsymptomsbutifyougoafterthethyroidandthink,“Oh.Look,Ifoundlowthyroidoutput.”Youjusttrytoreplacethateitherwithsupplementslikeglandularsorwithmedication.Youwillnotbeaddressingitthroughunderlyingfailingsystem.Youwon’tbesortingoutMetabolicChaos.Youcallitbiohacking,IcallitsortingoutMetabolicChaos.Idon'tknowifyou’redoingawholelotofthis,DavebutIrunlabwork.Ilookattheadrenalsinthesexhormones.

Dave: Youhaveto.

Reed: Ilookatdigestion.Ilookatliverfunction.Ilookattheimmunesystem.Ilookatenergyproductionandthatnervoussystemthatyoumention.Thefightflightversusparasympathetic.There’swaystohackthatandIhaveasystem.That’swhatFDNasyoujustheard.Firstquestion,what’sFDN?It’sthatsystemoflookingathormones,immune,digestion,detoxificationfunction.Ifyoulookatthatandapplythosegeneralprinciples,whatdoesittaketobringthoseuptospeedtothewaytheyweredesignedorasgoodasyou’regoingtoget,thenyou’llstarttoseevaguesymptomsthatyourstandardmedicalpractitionerhasnosolutionforotherthanjusttreatingsymptoms,you’llseethosefadeaway.


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Thenbereadyforsomeenergy,bereadyforsomesenseofwell-being,bereadytofeeltotallysatisfiedwithyourmealsandwithyourlifebecauseyouneedtohaveallthosethingsgoingforyoutofeelthatway.

Dave: I’vehadtonsofpeoplecomeintoBulletproofforumsorjustacoachingclientssay,“Allright.Iwanttogetapictureofwhat’sgoingon.WheredoIgetstartedfromalabtestingperspective?”Thenyoutellthem,“Ifyoureallywantacompletepicturelikeyouneedurineorganicacidsandallthesehormonesandinflammatorymark,etcetera,etcetera.”Prettysoonthey’relike,“That’sseveralthousanddollarsworthoflabtests.”Thenit’sgoingtotakehowmanyhourswithsomeonecoachingmeandthenhowmanyhundredsofdollarssupplementsandallthosekindofstuff,withFDN,howdoyoushortenthatcycleorhowdoyouknowwhichlabtesttopick?

Reed: That’ssuchagreatquestion,Dave.There’s2things.OneisthatthelabthatI’vebeenrunningforover15yearsnowaresaliva,urine.They’reeasilycollectedathome.They’rewellpriced,Ithink.It’snotthousandsbutit’shundreds.Thatissomethingthatsomeonewho’sreallytiredofthedeadendsthatthey’vebeenon.They’vebeeninaviciouscycleoftrialanderror.Theytrythisexerciseprogram,theytrythisdiet,theytrythesesupplement.They’retryingallthesethingsandthey’renotgettingwhattheywant.

They’vealreadyspentalotofmoney.Wetrytowipetheslatecleanalittlebitandsay,“Look,youjustneedtodoafewlabs,asmallhandful,lookatthesecriticalfunctions,lookforthesehealingopportunitiesandthenwe’llgofromthere.We’lldesignthatperfectprogramforyou.Now,there’soneotherthingthatwe’vedevelopedovertheyearsandifyourlistenerswantedit,Icouldgiveittothemforfree,youtellme,DaveandI’ll…Theycan…

Dave: We’llputitintheshownotes.Thisisfreeinfoforpeople.Justitsnotsalesinfobutyou’renotgoingtodothat.So…

Reed: Igetit.WehavewhatwecalltheMetabolicChaosScorecard.Itisaquestionnaireanditgoesthroughquiteanumberofquestionsyoucangradeyourresponselikeitneverbothersmeoritbothersmealot.


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There’s1through5.Yougradeeachthing.Now,thosethingsareconnectedinfunctionalcategories.Wehavetheinnerconsistentquestions.There’stheneuronalconductivityquestions.There’squestionsrelatedtotheimmunesystem,glucosemodulation.There’squestionsrelatedtocarbohydratemetabolism.Fatandproteinmetabolism,connectedtissueandboneturnover.

We’veovertheyearsdevelopedasystemofquestionsandthatcangiveyouascore.Ittellsyouwhatyourscoreis.Itneedsareaanditpointsthefinger.Now,it’snotdiagnosticbutitpointsthefingerinanareathatneedsimprovementliketheendocrinesystemforinstance.Wealwayskeepinmindwillthatendocrinesystemisgoingtobedysfunctional.Itmightbereallycriticallydysfunctionalbutthere’salltheseothersystemsalsoinfluencedat.

Again,that’swhywecallittheMetabolicChaosScorecard.That’sanintakethathelpsguideusabitbutbacktoyourquestion,directwhatlabs,Istartedoffrunningjustacouplelabsonpeople,1999,2000.Iwasalreadyrunninghundredsoflabsonhundredsofpeople.It’sendedupbeingthousandsoflabsonthousandsofpeople.Asyouknow,Dave,IteachacoursesoI’vedeputizedalmost2,000peopletorunthissystem.

Thefrustrationiswhatyousaid,I’dliketorun5labsineveryperson.You’regoingtohavetospendathousandbucks.Thenthey’regoingtohavetospendtime.Again,Ihavetointerpret.Youalsowanttocorrelatewiththisperson.There’sno1thingthat’sgoingtoworkthesameineveryperson.Youhavetoclinicallycorrelateeverylabtest.Theissueisthatpeopledon’tquiteknowyouortheydon’tquitehavethemoney.

TheystartwithonethingandIwouldprobablyjustrunasalivaandaurinetestandlookatthestresshormones,thesexhormones,thefunctionoftheliverfordetoxificationandthenyou’rebreakingdowndigestionoryou’rebreakingdownandassimilatingnutrientsproperly.That’salotofhealingopportunity.Imean,you’relookingthereataconstellationofdysfunction.You’regettingsomemarkers,somepointsthatarecluesaboutwhat’sreallywrongwiththepersonandsothenyoucanapplysometherapy.


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Now,Iwouldjusthavethatpersonbehaveinacertainway.AgaintheDRESS,therightdiet,andrest,andexercise,andreducingstress,andsupplements.Idon’thavemyownline.Ijustknowafewthingsaboutthem.Theprocessiswhatreallygetstotheproblembecauseagain,there’snolabworkthat’sgoingtotellyouexactlywhat’swrongwitheachindividualperson.Theyhaven’teveninventedthelabsyetthatwilltellusthat.

Now,maybein50years,you’llbeabletoPNabottleandsenditofftothelabandthey’lltellyoueverythingthat’swrongwithyou.Maybethatispossibleonedaybutit’snotpossiblerightnow.Wehavetorunthelabsthatwehave,thosearecluesaboutwhatyouneedtodo.Again,inthosegeneralprinciplesofhealthbuilding.Youhavetotrustus.Theywillhaveperformspecifictreatment.Insteadofgoingin,I’vebeentoldIhavethyroid,weignorethat.

Okay.Youhavethyroid.Allright.That’sgreat.Youalsohaveadrenalpotentiallyhypothalamus,pituitary,liverdysfunction.Dave,justletmegiveyouaforinstance.25%ofyourusablethyroidisnotevenavailabletoyouuntilthethyroidgoesthroughthedigestivesystem.There’sthingsinthedigestivesystemthatactivate25%ofyourthyroidhormone.Hasanyoneevertoldthelistenerthatbeforeoryou?

YouhavetheliverconvertingT4,theinactiveformintoT3andsomeT3goesoutintothebloodstream.That’sagreatthing,perfect,beautifulbutthelivermakes,what’scalledT3sulfateandT3aceticacid.ThathastobeconvertedbygutfloraintoactiveT3.Itmakesup25%,afull1/4ofyourthyroidhormone.Let’ssayyourthyroidisjustdownalittlebitandyou’rehavinglotsofsymptomsbecauseofit.Youjustsimplyhaveaweakgut.Youdon’thavethecorrectbiota.Youdon’thavetherightbalance.Ifyouhavedysbiosis,youcouldbemissing25%ofyourthyroid.Now,that’snotacommonlyknownthing.

Dave: Now,isthisoralthyroidyou’retalkingabout,oralthyroidmedicationoristhisthyroidthat’smadeinthebody?

Reed: I’mtalkingaboutyournormalthyroidproduction.RememberwhatIsaidinthebeginning.Thisismyopinionthat8outof10peoplewho


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haveclassichypothyroidism,there’snotreallyanythingwrongwiththeirthyroid.Itcouldbeagaintheinfluences,thehypothalamicpituitary.Itcouldbeimproperbindingofthehormone.Itcouldbeimproperconversion.ItcouldbethatthepartisconvertedintotheT3aceticacidandT3sulfate.That’snotbeingactivatedintofullT3.Thatrequiresgoodgutflora.It’sconvertedbygutbacteria.

Youcouldhavethesymptomsoflowthyroidandthenthere’snothingwrongwithyourthyroidatall.That’sthewaywehackaswelookatthewholepersonandwhyareyouhavingthesethyroidsymptoms,notjustthrowsomethyroidmedicationatit.

Dave: Whatwouldyoudoif,let’ssay,you’resittingathomelike,“Oh,wow.25%ofmythyroidmaynotbehappening.Thisissomethinginmygut.”Whatwouldyoudototheguttomakeithelpapersonbetterabsorbthyroid?

Reed: Ithinkyouknowthatfirstofall,welookatlabslikeIrunalotofintestinalpermeabilitylabswhichissimplyurinetest.There’salittlechallenge.Youdrinkalittlebitofstuffandthenyoutakeyourpeethenextdaybasically.Thenyoulookatitandyouseewhat’sintheurineandyoucantellifyougotaleak.There’sotherthings.There’ssmallintestinalbacterialovergrowthtestwhichalsoisaurinetest.

Wehavewaysofgettingthesebiomarkersandtellingwhat’sreallywrong.Wedothatasastandardoperationprocedure.Youworkontheadrenals,thesexhormones,theimmunesystem,digestionoractuallybreakinginandabsorbingfoodproperlyandthenisyourliverdoingwhatit’ssupposedtododetoxifying.Youjustworkonthosebasicthingsandit’samazingwhathappenstosomeone’shealthespeciallywhentheyfollowtheprotocolsmoretotheletter.Now,yourlistenersaresuperachievers.Itrytobeonemyself.

Dave: Ithinkeveryonedoesatsomeextent.

Reed: I’mjustsaying,IgetupeverymorningandIwork.Ialsoplay.Workhard,playhardkindofguy.ItrytofollowtheadviceI’mgivingothers.


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Youhavetotrytowalkthetalkinthisbusiness.Iknowyou’redoingthesamething,Dave.

Dave: Thenit’salonganswerbutifsomeonewasconcernedthattheywerenotgettingtheirfullthyroidabsorptionbecauseoftheirgutproblems,you’dstartwiththeurinetesttolookforgutpermeability.Assumingyoufoundsomeorganicacidsthatsaidthattheyweregettingpermeability,essentiallytheyhavealeakygut.Thenwhatwouldyoudo?

Reed: Again,thediet.Thefirstthingtodoistoeliminatefoodsensitivity,sofoodsthatyou’resensitiveto.Theycontributetoinflammationinthegutandwhenyouhaveinflammationinthegut,yougetdysbiotic,yougetanimbalanceinthegoodandthemoreorlessnegativetypesofflora.Thatgetsoutofbalance.Now,youstartdigestingfoodimproperly.You’renotabletobreakdowntoabsorbnutrientsverywell.

Thenbiggerbugscomealong.Yourparasitesandyourrealnastybacterialovergrowthandnottomentionfungus,yeastandthingslikethat.Now,you’rereallydysbiotic.You’regoingtoendupwithnotenoughgoodfloratoconvert,again,theT3aceticacidandT3sulfate,intousableT3.Nottomentionalltheotherproblemsyou’regoingtohavebecauseofthat.Youendupwiththeimmunesystembasicallyoverreactingtoboththefoodsyou’resensitivetooandthebacteriaorparasitesthatareinthereandtheyeastandthings.

Thenleakygutisactuallyanimmunologicalproblem.Peoplethinkofitasjustholesinthegardenhose.Thistubethat’syoursmallintestineandsomethinghaspokedholesinit.It’sactuallyloosenedupbecauseofanimmuneresponse.Itdoesgetleakylikethat.Now,youhavelargeparticlesfloatingthroughandtheygetintolivercirculationbasically,hepatic,anenterohepaticcirculationbuttheyendupgettingreleasedintothewholebody.

Now,you’reinvokingsystemicimmuneproblemsandlikeyoumentionedearliertoo,youcanhaveautoimmunethyroid,Hashimoto’sorthere’sanotherone,Grave’s.Differentmechanismsthattheyact.Howtheyaffectthethyroidproductionbuttheycanbeprettynasty.


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Dave: Justtobereallyclear,sopeoplegetthechainthere.Somethinghappensthatcausedtherotation.Theygotoftentimesafoodsensitivity.Thenthatcreatesholesinthegut,foodparticlesmakeitthroughthegut.Yourimmunesystemattacksthosefoodparticlesandthingsthatlooklikethosefoodparticleswhichincludeyourthyroidglandandpartsofyourbrainorotherpartsofyourbody.

Reed: Yeah,absolutely

Dave: Justthechain.Justtoconfirmthatforpeople.

Reed: Throwintheretheparasitesandyeastthatmightgrowbecausetheyalsolikedthatenvironment.Theyproducetoxinsthatcontributetomoreofthesame.It’sagainbacktomyphraseMetabolicChaos.Youhavethosetoxinsgoingaroundaffectingthebrainandaffectingotherorgans.Itcanbequiteachainofevents.

Dave: Isthislikeeitheryouhaveitoryoudon’tkindofsituation?

Reed: Youhaveitatdifferentdegreesbecausethere’sacoupleofthingsgoingon.Exposurelevelscanbedifferent.Youcanhavekidsthatarereallyinbadenvironments.Imean,theyeatnothingbutcrap.They’resubjectedtosittinginfrontofelectromagneticfrequenciesalldaylonginfrontoftheirTVsandvideogames.

Dave: InfrontofSkype,that’sterrible.

Reed: Theyalsomightbebreathinginnercityair.Whoknows.Youhavethisenvironmentthat’sreallybadandthenyouhaveweaknessesinmetabolism.Icalledthemvitalvoids.Inbornerrorsofmetabolismifyouwill.Justtherecouldbegeneticthingsandtherecanbeacquirederrorsofmetabolismorweaklinksifyouwill.That’swhyeverybodyissodifferent.We’rebornwithandacquiredifferentweaklinksorvitalvoids.Youerasethequestionhereofsomethingthatwealloperateonvitalism.

Thebodyisdesignedreallywell.Allofourcellsknowwhattheirjobis.Iwouldsaythey’reatleastgivenasetofinstructions,that’struebuttheymaynotbefollowingthoseinstructionsverywell.Again,itisthe


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individualweaklinks.It’swhatmakesourworksovery,veryinteresting.Weallhavecrapthrownourway.Thenwehavetheabilitytorespondtoit.

Hopefullywe’reupforthegame.Ifit’shemlockthatwhenyoudrinkabigglassofit,you’renotupforthatgame.Itdoesn’tmatterhowmuchintelligenceyouhaveinyourselvesthatyouneedthisvitalistictheory.Itdoesn’tmatter.You’renotupforthatgame.Wewouldalldiefromhemlockbutalittlebitofpoisonhereandalittlebitofpoisonthereisgoingtoaffectusalldifferentlyisn’tit?

Dave: Thatbringsupareallyimportantpoint.Sometoxins,tousethewordverybroadly,they’rehormetic.Hormesisisthisideathatwhatdoesn’tkillmemakesmestronger.Youhavealittlebitofsomething.Itstressesthecells.Itstressesthebodyandthenthebodygetsstronger,thebigexample,liftingheavythings.Itstressesthebody,ittearsamusclealittlebit,sothemusclerespondmakingitstronger.

Technicallyexerciseistoxicbecauseifyouexerciseyourselftodeathliketheguyrunthefirstmarathoninthendropsdead,that’saprettygoodsignthatyoucangetanoverdoseofexercise.Forthemostpart,it’soneofthosethingsthatisn’tbad.Thereareothertoxinsthatdon’thaveastrengtheningeffectatall.Theyalwaysmakeyouweaker.Theonesthatthegutmakesaresomeofthosegutdysbiosistoxinsthatmaybegoodforyouortheyprettymucharealltheonesthatcausedamageanddon’thaveanupside.

Reed: That’sagoodquestionandtobaitifyouwill.Ithinkthatthereissomethatagain,theycontributetoMetabolicChaos.Theyarepartofwhat’sbreakingyourbodydownbecauserememberthereisarealcascadesosomeofwhatyou’reseeingisquitetrue,certainlywithexercise.Youcanoverexercisebutit’sgenerallygoodforyou.Idon'tknowhowmuchorhowyoucouldapplythattoenvironmentaloptions.

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Reed: Somepeopletry.Ithinksomepeopleareputtingtheirheadintheirsense.Ifthey’rereallysayingthatwhatdoeskillyoumakesyoustronger.

Dave: Iseethisalotespeciallyfromsomeofthepeoplewhoaremaybemoreconcernedabouthowtheylookthanhowtheyfeelorhowlongthey’lllive.They’reouttheresaying,youshouldfeedyourkidsjunkfoodsbecausethey’llmakethemstronger.I’mlikewhatplanetareisthisfrom?Isthereanargument?MaybeI’mwrong.Idon’tgetthatfeeling.YouseemlikeaguywhostudiedatleastasmuchasIhaveprobablyalotmore.Ismargarinehormetic?ShouldwebedoingmargarineorMSGandthingslikethatbecausetheymightmakeusrespondbetter?

Reed: No.Idon’tthinkso.

Dave: Idon’teither.

Reed: Therearethingsthataregeneticallyrequired.Youneedvitaminsandmineralsandphytonutrients.Youneedessentialfattyacids.Youneedtheconstituentsthatwillfeedourbodies,nurtureandcontributetowards,let’ssayanabolicactivity.Youneedtobegrowingandproducingallthejuicesandthingsthatmakeushealthyandhappy.Thenthere’sgoingtobeinterferences.Icallthemcontributorstometabolicchaos.Idon'tknowifyouknowthis,mybackgroundbeforeIgotintothehealthandwellnessfieldwasenvironmentallaw.

Dave: Cool.Ididn’tknowthat.

Reed: Yes,IgraduatedfromaveryprestigiousprogramwithhonorshereinSouthernCalifornia,environmentalfield.Iworkedinthatfieldforawhile.WhenIrealizedhowbadtheenvironmentwas,obviouslyweworkmostlywiththetreesandtheanimalsandfishandthingslikethatatthetime,butIstartedseeingwhataboutpeople.Whataboutme?This80,000chemicals,veryfewofthemhavebeentestedforsafetyandIrealizethatIwasinthetest.

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areyouupforthegame.Humans,havetheyevolvedtobeabletohandlethese80,000chem?No,they’venot.They’restill500generationsback.Weevolvedtothat.We’re500generationsback.Therewasnochemicalsthatwerenaturalfromtheenvironment.Foodwasdifferent.

Imean,Idon’twanttogoallintoancestraldietandsomethingslikethatbutit’sgenerallywhatweneedtofollow.Everythingelseisgoingtointerferewithnormalfunctiononasub-cellular,cellularorgantissuesystemlevel,organismlevel.Theenvironmentisworkingagainstusrightnow.Weneedtodoeverythingwecantocoachupfunctionsinthebody.

Now,my15yearsofstudyhastoldmethatthosefunctionswewanttocoachuparethehormonesystem,theimmunesystem,thedigestivesystemandthedetoxificationsystems.Thosearethe4mainones.Energyproduction,nervoussystem,allthesestarttofallintoplacebutanybodycanputsomesalivaandpeeinsometubesandsenditofftothelabandgetbacksomeresultsandittellsyousomethingabouttheindividual.

It’sthatclinicalcorrelation.Inotherwords,here’stheresults,here’stheperson.Dotheymatchup?Whatwedon’twanttodo,Daveistreatthepaper.That’swhattheotherguysdo.Standardmedicinetreatsthepaper.Itsoundslikethyroid.Yeah,I’llpatmyselfintheback.Ifoundyourproblem.Youhavelowthyroidoutput.Ihavetheperfectanswer.Here’syourprescription.

That’showstandardmedicineworks.Wedon’twanttoworkthere.Wedon’twanttojustpatchupthesesymptoms,wewanttofindoutwhat’sreallywrong.That’swhyIgobacktothisidea,there’sMetabolicChaosandIdevelopedasystemoflookingintothat.Saliva,urine,somestoolsometimes,bloodisimportantforlookingatthefoodsensitivities.Inflammationmarkers,thingslikethat.

Dave: You’reafanofusingabloodtestforfoodallergies?

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“allergic”tothem,that’sanimmediatehistamineresponse.Justlikewhenacatwalksintheroom,ifyoureallyareallergic,you’regoingtogethistamine.Youreyesaregoingtowater.You’regoingtofeelitchy.You’resomethingimmediate.Thesesensitivitiesaremoreinsidious.They’reslowertohappen.Thenthere’swaysininflammationhappensthatwedon’tevenhavegoodtestfor.

Bloodisgenerallytheway.Youcanlookattheswellingofwhitebloodcellsforinstance.Volumemetricincreasesinbloodwhentheseexposecertainfoodparticles,forinstance,orchemicalparticles.Youcangettestedfordrugsensitivities.Sensitivitiestochemicalsinyourhome,thingslikethat.Youcantestforthosethingsoryoucanbeverymethodicalineliminatingsomethingsandseeinghow.

It’scalledtheeliminationdietorgettingridofnew…I’vebeenliterallysickfromnewfurnitureoranewsofacomesin,IsitdownonthesofaandnextthingI’masleepbecausethetoxinsinthefireretardantsareneurotoxins.They’resedativeintheireffect.It’scrazy.Inearlyhadtomovethesofaoutofthehouseandletitoutcastforlikeamonthor6weeksbeforeIcouldbringitbackinthehouse.

Dave: Ionlybuylikenon-toxicfoamorthingsthatareoutofgas.Idon’tuseparticleboardinmyhousebecauseeventhelowVFCstuffissaferbutpeoplesaycomeon,you’rejustbeingfinickybut,no,formaldehydewhichiscomingoutofthatstuffandinflammatoryagents,theyhaveendocrinedisruptingeffects.Weknowthis.There’snoquestionaboutitscientifically.

Thesepeoplesay,well,it’snotenoughtomatter.Actually,ifwhatyou’redoingisyou’reexposingyourselfto10,000thingsaday,noneofthembyitselfmattersbutallofthemtogetherequalsahugechangeinhowyouperform.Thewayyouapproachtheproblemisyouchipaway,getridofasmanyofthosethingsasyoucanreasonablyinthetimeandenergyyou’rewillingtospendandsoI’mwithyouonthat.

Reed: That’sthequestion,areyouwillingtodowhatittakes.Wegetparentswhobringintheirkidsandthenyoutellthemhere’swhatyou’regoingtohavetodoandyoumightbeamazedoftheresults.Imean,thepeople


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whoactuallywilldoit,getremarkableresults.Theotherpeoplesay,ohmykids,theyliketheirpoptarts.Theywouldbuythecheapclotheswithallthefireretardantinitinsteadofnicecotton.WhatI’mtryingtosayisthatit’scrazywhatpeoplearewillingtodoornotdoandthey’regoingtogettheresults,thenaturalconsequences.Itcannotbeavoided.

Dave: It’smoreworktoaskatthefurniturestore,whatisinsidethissofaortosayIboughtsomethingbecauseIcouldafforditandIknowithasbadstuffinitsoI’mgoingtobakeit,buyaheaterinthegarageforawhileandatleastgetmostofthatstuffoutordowhateverelseyoucantonotbeperfectbutatleastminimizewhat’sgoingontherebecauseIdon’tthinkanyoneiscapableofbeingattheirhighestperformanceifthey’renotpayingattentiontothesethings.

Theymightbekickingsomeseriousass.Theymightbeworldchampionclassathletesbutthey’reagingmorequicklythantheyshouldbe.There’sstillanotherX%availablewhentheirliverisn’tworkingonthatcrapinsteadofjustworkingontheirownthingsthataremetabolicbyproductsofperformingwell.There’sthishugethingtherebutIrunwiththiswithclientsallthetime.

TheBulletproofdiethassuspectfoodswerebasicallyeveryfoodexcepteggsthataregoingtocauseasensitivity.Eggscancauseasensitivitybutthey’resodarngoodforyouthatwhatever,Iputtheminadifferentcategory,theseeggyolksbutyoulookattherestofthethingsinthemiddle.Look,justdon’teatanyoftheseforacoupleofweeksandseehowyoufeel.

It’slikethesimplestversionofeliminationdietthatIcouldcomeupwith.Theseotherthingsatthebottom,theydon’ttouchthatcrap.Highperforminghumanbeingswhocanaffordtohearthispodcasthavenobusinesseatingstuffinthekryptonitefoodsectionjustbecauseithasnobenefitscomparedtootherfoodsyoucanget.Youbreakitdownassimpleasthatbutit’sstilla1pageinfographic.It’sstillsomethingyouhavetopayattentionto.

There’sthisnaturalIdon’twanttomakealotofdecisions.Idon’twanttospendalotoftimelearningallthisandthat’sonesideofitandthe


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otheroneisIwanttofeelgoodallthetime.Howdoyouadviceclients,peoplewhogotoaFDNpractitioner?Howdoyouadvisethemonhowtoknowwheretosetthat,I’mlazyandIwanttobeperfect?They’resupposedtobesomewhereinthemiddle.Howdoyoucoachsomeonewhosays,“Idon’twanttospendallthesetimeonthiscrap”?

Reed: Wow,that’sreallygood.Youactuallysaidtherightwords.PayattentionandaskyourselfthequestionslikewhenwasthelasttimeIjumpedoutofbed,feeling,“Wohoo.Man,I’mgoingtokickasstoday.”Ifyoujumpuplikethateveryday,thengreat.you’reprobablydoingsomethingrightespeciallythelastthoroughtheday.Ifyouhaveenergyleftatnighttimetowatchamovie,makelove,gobacktothegymorsomething,thenfantastic.

Ifyou’refallingasleepandyourheadhitsthepillow,andyou’resleepingsoundlythroughoutthenightfor7hoursor71/2andgetbackupthenextdayanddotheexactsamething,andeverysingledayyou’vegotthissupervitalityandhighenergyandyourbrainisclearandyou’renotdepressedandyou’renotirritableforanyreasonandyouhaveyoursassvibeandeverything,thenyou’reoneofmaybe3%ofthepopulation.

Iwouldneedtolearnfromyou.Youshouldtellmewhatyou’redoing.Theother97%ofthepopulation,Davearenotlikethat.Theyhavethingsthattheycanimproveupon.Iftheywoulddowhatyousaid,whichispayattentionandImentionedsomecrystalclearthingsthere,payattentiontohowyoufeelafterbreakfastlikeanhour-and-a-halfor2hourslater.Howdoyoufeelifyou’regoing,“Man,thatwasagreatbreakfast.I’mtotallysatisfiedandI’mnotcravinganything.Nothingwasmissingfromthatmeal.Theyhadalltherightamountofproteinandfatandcarbohydrates,thecomplexthing.”Theypayattentiontothat.Areyoucompletelysatisfiedwithyourmeals?

Dave: It’ssuchabigdifference.YouremindedmeofsomethingthathappenedtomewhenIwasabout16,maybe15even.Probablywhatever.Itwasevenyoungerthanthat,around9thgradewheneverthatis.IwasobeseasakidandIusetoweigh300pounds,ReedandI’maround200


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pounds.Ikept100poundsoffatoffwhichiscool.butbackatthistime,thissummerwhereIwasdoinglikeaPEallsummerschoolthing.

Iwasexercising3hoursadayandIwasgoingtoeatreallyhealthywhichofcoursemeantlikebranmuffinsandcrap,whatdidweknowinthe‘80s,‘90slikethat,early‘90s.Thatwasprobably‘80s.Itwouldhavebeen‘80s.Iremember,like,allright.Todaywe’regoingtodorunning.Ilostmaybe20,30poundsoverthecourseofthesummersoI’mlike10.I’mstillfatbutI’mlessfatanyway.I’mlike,allright.I’mgoingtohaveagreatday.IwakeupandIhaveabigbowlofgrapenuts.

Whatthey’reessentiallylikeislikefermentedgrainleftovers.They’retheworstoftheworst.Igoouttotheclassandit’sa4-hourclassandI’mfartinglikeamachine.Ijustdon’thavetheenergytorun.Ijustlookatmyselfgoing,“God,Idideverythingrightthismorning.Ididn’thaveeggs,Ihadgrapenuts.Thoseweresupposedtomakemestrong.”Allitwasjustpayingattention.IfIjustlistentomyself.Isaiddon’teatthatcrap.Insteadyou’relike,“Itmustbesomethingelseandyoukeepdoingwhatdoesn’twork.

Ifyou’repayingattention,everytimeyousmackyourselfinthehead,ithurts,youstopsmackingyourselfinthehead.It’slikewithfood,becausethere’sadelayedresponse.Ittook2hoursformetostartfartingandfeelingtired.Ididn’t,atfirstcorrelatedwithbreakfast.ThattimeIdidnoticeithadtobethegrapenuts.IlaidoffofthoseandIswitchedtowhateverfruitloopsprobably.

It’showitwasbackthen.Notpayingattentiontoathing,everytimeyouhaveafoodcraving,it’syourfault.Youhavetohavedonesomething.Youmightnotknowwhatitis.Itmightbethatyoufedyourgutbacktowardthewrongwayandtheytriggerlipopolysaccharideswhichmadeyouhaveabloodsugarcrashwhenyouusedupallyourbloodglucose.

Thiskindofstuffhappens.Youdon’tknowitbutitisyourfault.Bytheway,let’stalkaboutlipopolysaccharides.That’sonmylistofthingstoaskyouabout.Whatarelipopolysaccharides.Howdotheyhappenin


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thegut?WalkpeoplelisteningthroughwhytheyshouldcareaboutthisLPSthing.

Reed: They’rebasicallyatoxincreatedbybacteriasooffthecellsofbacteria,cellsbreakdowninacertainwayanditleavesinthebodyofthischemicalifyouwill,toxic.It’saneurotoxin.Now,lipopolysaccharidescanaffectthewaymetabolismhappens.Matteroffact,youcangorightbackintotheliverandchangethewaythatthyroidisconvertedfromT4toT3.LipopolysaccharideswoulddownregulatetheproperconversionofT4intoactiveT3.That’sanotherreasonwhyyouwouldhavelowT3symptoms.

Dave: LetmeseeifIgotthisright.Youhavebadsmellinggas,baddigestion.Thatisapotentialsignthatyourliverispreventingoneoftheenergymakinghormonesinyourbody,yourthyroidhormonefromworkingbecauseifyouhaveessentiallypoordigestionthere’sagoodchancethatyou’recreatingextralipopolysaccharidethat’sgoingfromthegut,intotheliverandthenmessingwithyoursystems.AmItranslatingthatright?

Reed: Thoselipopolysaccharidesalsoendupinthebrain.They’rejustreallyununwantedcontributortoMetabolicChaos.They’recomingbasicallyfromdysbiosis.Now,theycanalsocomefromtheenvironmentbutthebottomlinewhatyou’regettingatisthatyourbodyproducesitsowntoxins.Imean,it’sbadenoughthatwehaveourowntoxins.Thesheerwasteproductifyouwillofmetabolism.Wecertainlydon’tneedtoxinsfromtheoutsideworld.

Addingtothat,thethingswegetoffdrinkingourofplasticbottles.Likeyousaid,thefurnitureandclothing.Yougetontheairplane.Youhavenoideahowmuchfireretardantyou’resuckingupintoyourbodybythemoreplanerides,theworseyourbodycanget.Youactuallyhavealotofpilotsandstewardesstypepeoplewhoareverysick.Theyhaveenvironmentalillnessandthings.

Nottogettoofaroffinthetrackbutyourbodyproducestoxins,LPSisoneofthem.It’ssomethingyourbodyhastohandle.Ifyouareeatingrightandyou’reresting,you’regoingtohavegooddetoxification


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processespeciallyifyouexerciseregularly.Yourbodyisdesignedtohandleacertainamount.Remember,we’reupforthechallengetomeetenvironmentalchallengesandchallengesofyourownbodypresentstousinwaysofmetabolicwaysbutwe’reprettyfragile,comparedtoallthestuffthat’shittingusnow.Maybelikeyousaid,it’sjustalittlebitofpoisoneveryday.Itwillbuildup.Itwillhaveacascade.It’sanamazingcascade.ItalkalotaboutthatinmywebinarswhichIthinkwe’redoing.

Dave: Weare.OneofthethingsthatfascinatedmeasIgotintotheresearchaboutthesetoxinsisitincludesmycotoxins.Thesetoxinsthatareformedbymoldsinourfoodsupply,inourhomesandoffices.Whenyoulookatonetoxinfrommold,theseareMotherNaturethingsthatsaythisismycheese.Don’teatthisringnowbecauseI’meatingitandifyoutry,I’llkillyou.Thisishowfungusandbacteriafightwitheachother.

Ifyoutakethisonefungalmetabolite,youcanhavethismuchofitandmostpeopledependingonhowhealthyorineverythingelse,canhandleXamountofit.Ifyoutakethisotheroneandyouaddthatin,theyamplifyeachothergreatly.Nooneteststhemincombinationfortheirbiologicaleffects.Itturnsoutwe’vemadeabunchofstandardsforchemicals.Wedothisforman-madechemicalsaswelllikeRoundupandglyphosateandall.

Oh,goahead.Youcanhandlethismuchofit.Yeah.TakethatandthenaddsomethingelselikeBPA,fromthosereceiptsorfromplasticproductsandthenaddinsomeofMotherNature’stoxins.Itturnsoutthattheystackandtheydon’tjuststacklikeaddingthingstogether,theymultiplyeachotherwhichiswhyinmyownproduce,IhavetheonlycompanythatIknowof.Theyhaveamulti-mycotoxinsetofstandardsouttherethat’sverystrong.

Nogovernmentonearthhasthatalthoughmostgovernmentshaveindividualmycotoxinlevels.YoucanhaveXamountofthisoryoucanhaveXamountofthat.Theydon’tcareifyouhavealmostthemaximumlimitofbothandthat’sanunsafeproduct,atleastinmyunderstandingofbiochemistry.Ithinkwe’realldealingwiththismultiplicativeeffectswhereyoutakeLPSthatmadeitthroughgutandatthesametimeyou


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haveabunchofotherthingscirculatinglikexenoestrogensthatareinyourbody.

Theycameinfromtheenvironmentandthey’regreat.Isthereanamplificationofthat?Thebottomlineiswedon’tknowforeverythingbutweknowthereareforinsomecertaincasesbutthenthereareprotectivethingsyoucando.Whataretheprotectivethingsthatyouwouldrecommendpeopledo,saytoprotectthemselvesagainstLPSasidefromjusthaveyourgutworkingwellandeatahealthydietkindofstuff.

Reed: Thattrulyisagoodplacetostartbutyoucantakesupplementsthatwillhelp.Againifthebodyisfiringinallcylindersandnoteveryone’sis.Inadditiontowhatyou’resaying,Ijustwantedtoaddorcritiquethatwearecompletelyindividualandhavethosedifferentweaklinks.

Dave: Verytrue.

Reed: Onpersoninasubsetcoulddobetteringettingacertainenvironmentalinfluences.Anotherperson,man,theygetonewithforthatandtheygoout.They’dgodownhillfast.Wecallthemsickerquickertypepeople.Again,areyouupforthechallengeofdemeaningtheenvironment?Ithinkwe’redegradinginthatsense.There’salmostdevolutiongoingonbecausethesethingscarryoverfromgenerationtogenerationasyouknow.

Dave: Theydo.

Reed: Mygrandkidsarenotgoingtobeashealthyasme.Theyjustdon’thaveitinthem.Now,maybeminehavesomespecialgenesfromgrandpabutI’mopen.IknowIgotsomefrommine.Mygreatgrandpaisavery,veryhealthy.Peoplethatlivedtobe100andstuff.I’mhoping,I’mhopingbuttheenvironmentisworkingagainstyou.Thethingsthatyouneedtodobesidespayingattention,likeweweretalkingaboutthat,isreallyeatcleanandliveclean.

I’mnotlikethatguythat’sgoingtotellyoubroadthings.Imean,Ihavepeopleeatrightandgotobedintimeandexerciseandreducestress.


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ThosestressorsaregenerallyformebecausethisisjusthowIworkedit.ThethingsIcantestyoufor.Icouldtestyouforfoodsensitivities.Icantestyouforparasites,bacteria,funguses,andviruses,andthingsthatwouldproducelipopolysaccharidesoracceleratethemandthingslikethat.

Icantestyouforenvironmentalpollutants,simplyurinetests.You’regoingtogiveusmetabolitesandorganicacidsasyoumentioned.They’regoingtotellusifyou’vegot…You’redrinkingoutofStyrofoamcupstoomuch,basically.Ofcourse,that’sgoingtodowhat?That’sgoingtoaffectthehormones.We’relookingatthismarkersthatwehaveandthenabletocleanupthelifestyle,thebehavior,thediet,rest,exercise,stress-reductionandtherearecertainsupplementsthatareverytherapeutic.Theycanstimulatecertainorgans.

Dave: Likewhat?

Reed: Youcancleanuptheliver.

Dave: Canyounameafewingredients?BecauseI’msurepeoplewhoarelisteningarelike,“Okay.IthinkIhavethisproblem.Iwanttotryabottleofsomething.”Justgivemeingredients.

Reed: Yeah.Gosh,Ihatedoingthat.Imean,really,youtaketheliver.Theliverissupposedtodetoxifyyourbloodbasically.There’sphase1andphase2.Therearecertainfoodslikefruitsandvegetables,believeitornot,reallyhelpyourliverdoagoodjobofdetoxifying.

Dave: Ithoughtfructosedidn’thelptheliverthere.

Reed: There’scertainfruits.Imean,youwanttoeatsomefruitsandvegetables.Imean,youcanarguethisthingbothwaysbutifyoulookatthenutrientsthatsupportliverfunction,there’salsotheaminoacids.Youneedboththecomplexcarbohydratesandyouneedtheaminoacids.

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Reed: Rightthere.Now,canyoubuythesethingsinbottles?Yes,youcan.Otherspecificoneswouldbehelpfullikeglutathioneandtaurine.Yes,youcanbuythoseindividuallyandenhancedalittlebit.Therearealsosomewell-knowntimedtonicherbs,silymarinormilkthistlekindofthing.Theyenhancethestuff.Theproblemwiththatapproachisyouendupreadingthelabelandyouneedeverythinginthestore.Yougotosproutshereorwholefoods.It’slikeifyoureadtheliterature,there’senoughtruthinit,truthclaimsbeingmadethatyouthinkyouneedeverything.

Dave: Notonlythat.Ifyoureadthelabel,nosupplementmanufacturerintheUnitedStatesisallowedtostatewhattheirstuffdoesonthelabel.Justbereallyclear.Icanfind5,000studiesthatsayoneofsupplementsdoesandiftheyhaveanythingtowardsdisease,Iamlegallyforbiddentoputitonthelabel.EvenifIhavethisstatementisnotapprovedbyanyregulatoryauthority.

Whenyougothereandyoureadthelabels,itsaysmaintainhealthylevelsof,that’sbecausethat’sallthatyou’relegallyallowedtosayeventhoughweknowitdoes20otherthingswhichiswhyyougottogotoDr.Googleandfigureoutwhatsupplementsdoforyou.Whattheingredientsareforthemanddoalittlebitofresearchbeforeyoudecidetoputsomethinginyourbody.Iwouldsaydon’treadthelabelsbecausenosupplementmanufacturercantellyouevenhalfthestoryofwhatasupplementdoes.

Alsothere’speoplewhoputstufflikemyceliumandmushroomextractwherethere’sactuallyalmostnomushroominthere.It’sessentiallycellulose.Thosequalitiesissuesaswellbutit’ssomethingthatdrivesmenutsandIfinallydecideIwasgoingtomakeafewofmyownthingsjustbecauseIjustwantsomethingthatworks.

Reed: I’mgladyoudid.Therearepeopleofintegrityputtingsomeformulationstogether.Therereallyare.Imean,Ithinksupplementsfirstofall,ifyouacceptthatgoodisn’thighqualityanymoreandIdidgrowupinCanadawithbothmygrandfathersaregrowingtheirownfood.MybrotherandIwhenwewerekidswouldgodowntotheneighboringranchorfarmandgetmanureoutofthestallsandbring


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backhorsecrapandturnitoverintocompostpile.Wewereactuallynourishingthesoil.Ithinkitwasprettygoodsoil.IthinkIatealotofreallygoodvegetableswhenIwasakid,verynutritious.

Dave: Yourgrandkidsprobablydidgetsomethingfromyou.

Reed: Maybe.Let’ssee.Ifthey’renotstupid.Let’sseewhathappens.WhatI’mgettingatisthatfoodisn’tgrownlikethatanymore.Youdoneedthesupplementjusttosimplysubstituteforwhat’smissinginthefood.Evenorganicfooddoesn’thavethenutrients.Thereasonyoueatorganicistoavoidherbicidesandpesticides.Thechemicals,that’sgreatbutyou’restillnotgettingenoughnutrition.Youcan’teatthebarrelfulsyou’dhaveto,togetenoughofthevitaminsandmineralsandsoon.

Wesupplementthesubstituteformissingthings.Wealsosupplementtosupportcertainsystemsororgans.ThisiswhereItieitinwiththelabworkbecausethelabworkisgoingtoidentifythehealingopportunitiesandthat’llguideusabitintermsof,okay,weneedtosupportyourliver.Yourliveriscongested.Icantellifyourliveriscongested.Whatwouldhelpittoclearoutalittlebit.

Herearesomethingsthathavebeenshowntosupportthatorganorsystem.Now,theotherthingyouneedtodosometimesisjuststimulate,sometimestemporarily.Thereissuchathingasintelligentallopath.Alittlereliefcaretomakepeoplefeelalittlebitbetter.Thenalsojustongoingstimulationoftheimmunesystemifitneedsstimulatingandotherorgans.Stimulationsubstitutionformissingingredientsandjustgeneralsupport.Idobelieveinsupplements.Again,Ihaven’tbrandedanythingordonemyownline.Iwasbeinganeducator,thesearetheingredientsthatwork.Bytheway,itsuitsyou.

Dave: Itallowsyoutosaythewholestorybehindthesupplementwhereasthepeoplewhobelieveenoughinthesupplementtomakeit,suddenlyaren’tallowedtotalkaboutitanymorewhichisabizarrestatethatwecouldonlymakeupifweweretryingtowritesomestrangenovel.

Reed: Yeah.IthinkthatnoveliswrittenbyGeorgeorhoweverin1984.Anywaythat’sjustme.


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Dave: Exactly.We’retalkingabouttheliverbutthere’s3tasksIwantedtoaskyouaboutthatI’mfamiliarwithbutIthinkmostofourlistenersaren’t.Theonesthatyou’vetalkedaboutalotwithyourtraining.Thefirstoneisurinarybileacidssulfates.Canyouwalkmethroughwhatdotheydoandwhyshouldyoutestforthem?

Reed: Sure.We’renowjustusingurinarybileacids.It’sjustamoredirectmeasurement.80%ofyourbilewhichisamajordigestivefluidifyouwill,80%ofyourbodyisbileacidsandwedon’tneedtogooverwhattheyare.Therestofyourbileischolesterolandphospholipids.Mostofyourbileisthisbileacids.Now,they’regoingtobeproducedintheliver,storedinthegallbladderandreleasedattherighttimemostlytoemulsifyfats.

Theyhavesomeotherbenefits.They’rereleasedintothesmallintestine.Now,alotofitisreabsorbedthroughwhat’scalledenterohepaticcirculation.Someofthebileisactuallyjustexcretedthroughthefecesbutit’sgoingtobereabsorbedthroughenterohepaticcirculation.Thereareveinscomingoffthesmallintestinethatgobacktotheliver.

Youhavethiscirculatinglevelofbileacids.Nowthereshouldbea“normalamount”inthebloodstreambecausetheliverreleasesfoodandallkindsofthingsinthebloodstreamandit’spickedupbythekidneysandexcretedintotheurine.Youcanjustsimplytakeaurinesampleandseewhatarethelevelsofbileacids.Ittellsyouhowhealthythissystemis.

Now,whatiftherewastoomuchbileacids.You’dhaveveryhighlevelofbileacidsintheurine.Iwouldtellyouthatsomethingiswrongwithyourliver.It’seitherbackingupandspillingoverexcessbileacidsintothebloodstreamsoit’scongestedoryoucanhavesomethingactuallywrongwiththewholesystem.Youcouldhavealeakygut.

Youhavetoomuchbileacidsbeingresorbed.Youcantellthingsaboutaperson’sdigestivesystemandtheirliver,theenterohepaticcirculationwhichreallyisyouhavetopicturethisbutit’sasmallintestine.Istheretoomuchbileacidsbeingresorbedanditsagainspillingovertothebloodstream.Ittellsyouaboutlivercongestionandittellsyouabout


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enterohepaticcirculation.Ithinkthoseareprettycriticalthingsifyouwanttostayhealthy.

Excessbileacidsitselfintheurinedoesn’tmeanyouhaveadisease.It’snotalabelable,oh,youhaveexcessbileaciditiesandhere’syourprescription.There’snoprescriptionforthat.It’snotadiagnostictestintermsoflabelingadisease.It’ssayinglook,somethingisnotworkingrighthere.Thisisanareaforimprovement.That’swhatfunctionalmedicinesallabout.That’swhatfunctionaldiagnosticnutritionisallaboutisagainwelookatthatasanareathatcouldbeimproved.

Hereisahealingopportunity.Ifit’scongestedliver,youcandosomethings.Again,ifyoueatrightandyoustarthealingthatgutandyoudoalltheotherthingsright,takesomesupplementsofcourseandyoucanevendolivergallbladderflushes.There’ssomediscussionabouthoweffectivethoseare.Ithinkthey’requiteeffective.Ireallythinkthey’reagoodidea.Youcangetthatlivertopumpandsqueezeandstarttoworkrightagain.

Ifitdoesn’thaveanypathology,theyprobablyshouldberuledoutbyamedicaldoctorlikecirrhosis.Ifyou’vebeendrinkingheavyfor50yearsandyouhaveahardenedliver,that’sanotherreasonwhyyourbileacidscouldbehighbytheway.You’dwantthatruledoutbyamedicaldoctor.Wewereverywellwiththemedicalsystem.Weknowwe’rethey’reneededandweknowthatwebasicallyfeelalltheotherneeds.

Dave: WhataboutIndicanlevels?Whatarethose?

Reed: That’sareallyneatmarkertoo.That’sbeenusedfor50yearsindoctor’soffices,intheoldcountrydoctor.Probablyusedtodoitinitsownoffice,collectEuropeanhereandhegoesbackanddoesthislittletest,andseesifyouhaveexcessIndican.IfyouhaveapositiveIndicanwecallit,ittellsyouyou’renotbreakingdownproteinverywell.

Basically,you’renotgoingtohavetherightkindofbacteria,thebacterialactiononproteinispoor.Now,theyusetryptophanastheproteinthat’stestedagainst.Youhavetochallengethis.Youhavetoeatsomeprotein.Now,youcaneatjustaboutthesizeofadeckofcardsof


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salmonorsomereallyrichmeat.Thenightbefore,youeatthatfordinnerandtheninthemorningyoucollectyoururineandyouseedidyourbodybreakthetryptophanwhichisamajoraminoacidtobreakitdownordiditproducetheseindoleswhichyourliverconvertsintoIndican.

Ifyouproduceindoles,whichyourliverconvertsIndican,thencanbecollectedintheurinebutthekidneyiscollectedandexcreted,youcanseethat.Whatdoweknowaboutapersonifthey’renotbreakingdownproteinverywell?Number1,youprobablycouldsupportthemimmediatelywithsomeextraprotein.Hey,you’renotbreakingdownprotein.Trytoeatsomemore,firstofall.Getthoseaminoacidsinyourbody.

TheotherthingIwouldtellyouisthatwhytheyhavecertainsymptoms.Proteinisbasicallygoingtobebrokendowninindividualaminoacidswhicharebrokendownintoneurotransmitters,allkindsofthings.Now,neurotransmitters,it’sawholeanothershowbutyou’retalkingaboutbrain,howyoufeel,howyousleep,allkindsofthingscouldbeexplainedbytheinabilitytobreakdownaminoacidsintotheirneurotransmitter.It’sawonderfultest.

Dave: ThefinaltestIwanttoaskyouabout.Wegottokeeptheanswershortonthisonejusttofinishtheepisode,lipidperoxides.

Reed: It’sanon-specifictest.Lipidperoxidescanbeelevatedbutyouwanttoknowexactlywhybutit’snotagoodthingtohaveelevatedlipidperoxides.Basically,it’sameasureofoxidativestressonthebody.Ifyoucutopenanapple,itturnsbrown.Now,thisisoxidativestress.Thecellmembranesarepoppingopen.They’rebreakingdownandthenthecontentsarerotting.That’swhyanappleturnsbrown.That’swhyanailrusts.

Ifyouleaveacaroutinthebackyardfor20years,it’sgoingtofallapart.That’soxidativestress.There’salwaysgoingtobesome.Thereispro-oxidativeandanti-oxidativebalanceinthebody.Thisiswhywetakeanti-oxidantsorweneedtheminourdietisbecausewewouldneedtocounterthepro-oxidativeactivity.Tomeasurethat,what’sthebalance


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likeifyouhaveexcessivelyhighlipidperoxides,toomuchoxidativestress.

Now,whatcouldthatmean?Toxicity,overexercise,chemicals,peoplewhosmoke,taking200chemicalsinthebodywitheverypuff.They’regoingtohaveexcessiveoxidativestress.Inotherwordforthisisfreeradicaldamagewhichcanleadtocellmutation,cancer,allkindsofreallynastythings.It’sanicemeasurementforoverallthingsyoucandotoimproveyourhealth.

Dave: Awesome.Thanksforridingthroughthose3.Thoseare3reallyimportanttestbutthere’salotoftestthatmatter.It’salsoaquestionofwhereyouareinlifeandhowyoungareyou,howoldareyou.IfoundthatasIageandasmycareergrew,Iactuallyinvestedmoreofmyincomeoratleastprobablyaboutthesamepercentageofincomebutcertainlymoredollars,again,tests,toseewhatwasgoingon.

Insupplementsandotherinterventionsbasicallytogetcontrolofmyallergy.Ithinkthisisanormalpathbecausethere’sthisthingthateveryonenowiscallingaging.Whenyou’reabout25,26year,yourealizethatifyoustayuplatedrinking,everynight,youactuallypayacostthatyoudidn’tpaywhenyouwere21.Ifyou’restilldoingitwhenyou’re30,you’relike,“Oh,man.I’mnotlikinghowIlookinthemirrornow.

Yourealizethatatsomepoint,Iwanttogetontopofthisandthereasonyouusetestingandyouusethetypeofthinkingthatyouhave,usetheFDNtypetechniquesisthatithelpsguideyousothatyoucanguideyoureffortsonameaningfulwayinsteadofdoingsomethingthatdoesn’tworkwhichiswhatIdidalotofthetimes.Investinginadataisveryvaluablesothatthenyoudon’twasteyourtimeoninterventions.

Reed: I’mwithyou100%.I’m62yearsoldandIfeelmostofthetime,I’dsay42atthemost.Now,Idon’teverwanttofeel22again.Thatatleastabadbehavior.

Dave: Fairpoint.


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Reed: I’llstay42untilI’m92ifIcan.That’sthegoal.

Dave: That’sthegoalforsure.Onthatnote,ifsomeonecametoyoutomorrowandtheysaid,“Look.Reed,IwanttobebetterperformingateverythingIdoinlife.Iwanttokickmoreassineverything.”Whatarethe3mostimportantthingsIshouldknow?NotjustfromFDNbuteverythingyouknow.What3piecesofadvicewouldyouhaveforsomeonelikethat?

Reed: Geez,Iwouldsaygetupinthemorningandthankyourluckystars,beprayerful,bethankful.Haveamentalstateofgratitudebecausegratitudeistheonlyattitudethatleadstohealthandwell-beingreallysobe,very,verythankful.Iwouldalsosaymaintainyourmoralethroughproducingsomethinguseful.Haveapurposeinyourlife.Ifyou’rewanderingaroundaimlessly,whereareyougoingtogetwiththat?Ifyouhaveanattitudeofgratitudeandyouhaveapurposeinlife.IgetupeverydayandItrytogrowmyorganization.

Now,ithasagreatpurposebutthat’smygoal.That’smyambition.Ihaveapurposeinlifeandthenyouwalkyourtalk.Thisisalsointhetopofmyhead.Yousaidwhat3things.Thisiswhat’scomingtomymind.Justbeverygratefulandthankful.Idogetupeverymorningandpray.SometimesbeforebedtooifI’mnottootired.

ThenIhavemypurpose.Ihavemylife’sworkinfrontofme.I’lldoituntilIdie.Ithinkthatformeagreatsuccessthingandthenwalkthetalk.Imean,Ipreachalotofhealthbutitwouldn’tdowellifIwasoutdrinkingeverynightorifIwasdoingbadbehaviors.Now,Idoalittlebadbehavior.Ireallytrytowalkthetalk,man.

Dave: Gotit.

Reed: That’sthething.Makefriends.Itrytobenice.Icangoonandonbutthoseare3goodones.

Dave: Gratitude,senseofmissionandexecution.Gotit.That’sagreatlist.Thanks,Reed.

Reed: Walkthetalk.


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Dave: Awesome.ThanksforbeingunBulletproofRadio.WherecanpeoplefindoutmoreaboutFDN?

Reed: Thanks.Ithinktheygotofunctionaldiagnosticnutrition.com/bulletproof.Thatwouldbeagreatplacetostart.functionaldiagnosticnutrition.com/bulletproofandlookoverourstuff.We’rebasicallyacourseinhowtoapplythistoyourownlife.Ifyou’reinbusinessofhelpandothers,toyourclients’lives.

Dave: Awesome.Ididn’tknowwehadacustomURLsetup.DowehavesomesortofanaffiliatethingthatIdon'tknowabout?

Reed: That’swhatwefiguredout.

Dave: That’scool.

Reed: I’mnotinchargeeither.

Dave: Here’sthedealwithpeoplelistening.IinterviewedReedbecauseIwanttointerviewReedbutitlookslikewehaveadealsetupwhichiscool,whichbasicallyhelpstosupportthisshowbecauseI’mworkingtomakeBulletproofRadioself-sustainingbecauseBulletproofraiseventurecapitalmoneyandwehaveinvestorsandIwantthisshowtoremainindependent.I’mbasicallymakingthisshowpayforitself.There’sanaffiliatethinghere.It’sfullydisclosedandifyoudon’twanttosupportBulletproofbecauseyoudon’twantto,justgotoFDN,wasitfunctional…Sorry.

Reed: Functionaldiagnosticnutrition.com.

Dave: Thereyougo.

Reed: Again,mystaffjusttoldmeaboutthat.Idon'tknowwhat’sthedeal.

Dave: Gooddeal.

Reed: IthoughtI’dthrowitout.


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Dave: Iappreciateit.Ididn’tevenknowbuthere’sthedeal.Ifyouwanttospellbulletproof,functionaldiagnosticnutrition.com/bulletproof.Ifyoujustwanttogotherewithoutit,functionaldiagnosticnutrition.com.Justgoscanournotesandyou’llfindouteitherway.There’sabunchofknowledgethey’vegotthere.There’sabunchofknowledgethatIthinkisourbirthrightandtheshowisheretoshareit.Reed,thanksforbeingontheshow.Thanksforsharingitandthanksforrememberingthatwehadanaffiliatedeal.

Reed: Thanks,Dave.

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