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Transcript – These Ain’t Your Neighbor’s Stem Cells

with Dr. Tami

Bulletproof Radio Dr. Tami #338

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Dr.Tami: Thankyou.It’sbecauseImarriedanItalianandnobodycansayorspellMeragliawithaGinthemiddle.

Dave: Wait,didIsayitwrong?IalwayssaiditwithaG.

Dr.Tami: Iknow.

Dave: It’sMer-al-ia?

Dr.Tami: Mer-al-ia.

Dave: WithasilentG?Iknowyoufor3years,IintroducedyouonstageattheBulletproofconferencethewrongwayandyou’rejusttellingmenow.

Dr.Tami: Iknow.IwentthroughresidencyandIhadmyattendingphysiciancalledmeDr.MyalgiawhichactuallymeanspaininthemuscleandIthoughthewassayingIwasinpaininthebuttasajokeandlikeonthelastdaysareyoukiddingme,I’vebeensayingyournamewrongforthesemanyyears?Isaid“yeah.”

Dave: IamsocallingyouDr.Myalgiafromhereon.I’msorryDr.Tami.


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Dr.Tami: I’mapaininthebutt.

Dave: Thatisawesome.Allright.Tamiisafriendandshe’sadoubleboardcertifieddoctorinCosmetic

andNaturopathicandIntegrativeMedicine,alecturer,ateacher.ShegaveoneofthekeynotesattheBulletproofConferencelastyear.She’saregularkeynotespeakerattheAmericanAcademyofAnti-AgeMedicinewhichhasabitoftrivia.ImetmywifeDr.Lanathereabout2004,aboutadozenyearsagowemetattheA4MConferenceinVegas.

Dr.Tami: Ididnotknowthat.

Dave: Yeah,totally.Dr.TamiisalsothefounderoftheVitalityMedispa,MedSpa.Howdoyousaythat?IsthereasilentGinthere?

Dr.Tami: MediSpa,Weworkonpeople’sinsidestomakethemfeelgreatandthenweuseproceduresandproductsthatworkinharmonywithyourbodytoalsomakeyoulookgoodbecausethey’relinked.

Dave: What’sthedifferencebetweenaMedSpaandaMediSpa?

Dr.Tami: Nothing.

Dave: I’veneverbeenabletofigurethatouteither.IhearpeoplesaybutIdon’tknow.I’vealwaysfiguredtheywerethesame.Okay.Cool.Okaybuthereistheanothercoolthing.AsidefromtheMediSpasideofthings,Ijustfoundoutasweweresittingdown,ifyou’rewatchingonYouTubeyou’dalreadynoticedthatwe’reliveonthesetatBulletproofLabsfromVancouverIslandbecauseTamiisfromSeattlesoshecaughttheclipperoverhere.Tamiyou’renotlookinggreenatalleventhough?

Dr.Tami: Ohmygosh,Ilostmylunch.

Dave: Itwasaroughrideoverhere.

Dr.Tami: YouaskedifIhadlunchandIsaid“NoIlostit.”

Dave: Apparentlythere’ssomeroughweatherontheoceansoTamiyou…?

Dr.Tami: I’mlookingalittlepeaked,it’snotbecause…ButyouknowtheBulletproofCoffeeyougavemerevivedme.

Dave: Yeah.Wedefinitelygiveyouawhiletosettleinbecauseit’snotgoodtogetseasickonawayintoaninterviewbutyou’redoinggreat.IfoundoutasidefromthefactthatDr.Tami,Dr.Meraglia,Dr.Myalgialostherlunch.DidyounameeitherofyourchildrenFibro?

Dr.Tami: Ohno.


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Dave: Fibromyalgia,I’msorry.

Dr.Tami: Dave,You’reawful.

Dave: Badjokes.

Dr.Tami: Terrible.

Dave: Bytheway,mydaughter’snameisAnnaandLanawouldnotallowmetogivehertherealnameCondabecausethatwouldhavebeensocool.AllthegoodAnna,Analogue,no,Annapurna,noshewouldn’tgive…Noneofthegoodstuff.Itried.

Dr.Tami: Shotdown.

Dave: Itried.

Dr.Tami: YeahIbetyoudid.

Dave: Let’ssee,whereisitgoing.YouopenedastemcellclinicinSeattle?

Dr.Tami: Idid.Oneofthemostexcitingthings.IliketodoabigthingeveryyearandlastyearwasmybooktheHormoneSecretandthisyearit’sthestemcellclinicbutI’vebeenthinkingandplanningandtrainingandworkingotherplacesandbeforeIfinallydecidedtodomyownandI’mpartofanationalclinicaltrial.Itisavailableforpatientsfromallover.OneofmyfirstpatientsactuallyflewinfromTaiwan.

Dave: Wow.

Dr.Tami: Yeahandit’sjusttransformational.Unbelievable.It’slikeStarTrekmedicine.

Dave: Itisawholenewlevel.PeoplewhofollowmeonFacebookandifyou’relisteningtothisandyoudon’tfollowtheDaveAspreypublicprofilepageonFacebook,you’remissingoutbecauseIlivestreamed,IFacebookedlivedmystemcellproceduresoI’mliterallyansweringquestionsfrompeopleandyoucansee…

Dr.Tami: Thefainting?

Dave: NoIdidn’tfaintinthisone.Ifaintedinthefirstone.IshouldhavehadthatNitrousOxidebuttheywereliterallyjammingoneofthosebiglipoboneneedlesintomybackbecausetheydoliposuctionwithoutthevacuumjusttogetenoughfatouttopullstemcells.

Dr.Tami: 50ccincisions,notmuch.

Dave: YeahjustalittlebitandthatsaiditwasamazingtobeholdingthecameraupandseeingthisneedlegoingandI’mlike…PeopleareturninggreenonFacebook.Anyway,3000peoplesawmybuttandIactuallywalkedthroughtheprocedurewhichisreallymean.


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Dr.Tami: Verycool.

Dave: They‘retransformationalbecauseI’vehadthemdoneandit’scoolnowthatthere’saclinicupin

SeattleIdidn’tknowaboutthat.

Dr.Tami: Yeah,yeahwehavepeopleflyfromallover.It’sa3-hourprocedureandpeoplecangorighthome,it’snodowntimeit’samazing.There’sonly3criteriathatyou’renotallowedintoourclinicaltrialandthat’sactivecancer,adentalinfection,thosebugsinourmouthsaremuchworsethanweknowaboutandtheotherispregnancy.

Dave: Yeah,howdoyouknowifsomeonehasadentalinfectioniftheyaregoingtogoforstemcells?

Dr.Tami: Theyknow.

Dave: Youhavetohaveabigabscessandaswollenfacekindofthing?

Dr.Tami: Yes.Dentalinfectionshurt.

Dave: Okaygotit.

Dr.Tami: Prettyquick.

Dave: Whataboutcavitations?I’velookedatthosefor20yearswhereyougetthesesmolderinginfectionsunderusuallyarootcanal,theyaffectyoureallydramaticallyandthenervoussystemlevelandorganlevel,dothoseaffectstemcells?

Dr.Tami: Notthatwe’veseenandwehaveover5000casesthatwe’vefollowedsoit’scooltohaveallthatdata.

Dave: Cananyonegotoyourstemcellclinicandjustgetstemcellsjustinsertedwhereverthehecktheywantorisjustclinicaltrialsrightnow?

Dr.Tami: No,theycangoanddowherevertheywantIjustcan’ttellyouthestatisticaldatabecausewe’reonlyfollowingabout6procedures.Youareallowedtodoitbutifsomebodysays“okaywhereisyoursuccessrateforkneeosteoarthritis?”Ican’tsay“Wellitspartofourclinicaltrial.”Icanbecauseitisbutifyousay“Ohwhat’syoursuccessrateforimprovingeyesight?”Don’tknow.

Dave: Don’tknow.

Dr.Tami: WecandoitbutIcan’tsaywhatthesuccessrateisbecauseit’snotpartofourdatabase.

Dave: Okay.Ihearyou.Thereissomuchregulationinthefoodindustrynotthatfooddoesanythingatallsotheygo.Wouldotherthanfoodgoesintothebodyyou’realwaystakingariskthereandinmedicinesamething?


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Dr.Tami: We’renotallowedtomakeanyclaimsandit’strue.Thisiscuttingedgemedicine.Wedonot…

Dave: Whereelsewouldyouwanttobelikeoldschoolmedicine?Ohyeahwe’vebeendoingthisfor

50years,wejustcutyourlegoff.It’snuts.

Dr.Tami: Wellthat’swhatourfriendDanielAmenhe’slike“Canyoubelievewe’restilltreatinganorganwithoutlookingatit?”Thebrain?

Dave: IreadDanielAmen’sfirstbookanditcompletelychangedmylifebecauseIgotaSPECTscanandheshowedmethatIhadcontrolofmybrain.Itwasn’tthatIwasweakorthatIhadmoralfailingitwasthatmybrainwasdamagedsoIwentandIfixedit.

Dr.Tami: Yeah.That’sthemostimportantthing.Thatalotofthisstuffisfixableandit’ssocoolthatwehavestemcellsthatisn’tfromembryonic,isn’tfromplacenta,it’syourownstemcellsandthey’redoingrejuvenation.

Dave: Weshouldtalkaboutthat.Theyarepeoplelisteningtousrightnowwhoarerightnowenragedbecausetheythinkthatwe’retakingabortiontissueandusingit.ThisismyownfatcomingoutofmyownfatassalthoughIwillsaythelastdoctorsdoingittheysaidIdidn’thaveenoughfatbackthere.I’mlikeasaformer300pounderIsaid“Okay.”

Dr.Tami: Ohdarn,I’mtoothin.

Dave: I’mlike“Ohsaythatlouder.I’mrecordit.”Ifeltprettygoodaboutthat.Iwaslike“Wow.”

Dr.Tami: Notbad,that’sawesome.

Dave: Theseareyourownand…

Dr.Tami: Yeah,turnscellfatisanawesomereservoirandyoucanisolateandweactuallycountthenumberoflivingstemcellsbeforewedeploythem.

Dave: Ohthat’scool.

Dr.Tami: Weactuallyhavequantitativeevidencethatwe’renotallowedtodeployunlesswehaveaminimumof10millioninourstudies.

Dave: Canyoujustgrowthemanyway?

Dr.Tami: Well,thereis.It’scalledCellsonIcekindofDisneyonicebutdifferentandweactually…

Dave: Whywouldn’ttheynotbecalledFrozenI’mjustthinking…?

Dr.Tami: Wellwe…


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Dave: No,inDisneymoviescomeon.Itwasagreatjoke,givemealaugh?

Dr.Tami: OhI’msorrywayovermyheadsorry.Yeah,wellbecauseIgetsoexcited.Weactually,onceweseethat’sitworkingwecanactuallyhaveyoucomeback,wecanexpandyourcells,duplicatethemandgofreezethem.ItisjustthecraziestthingandwehavetheSeattleStemCellClinicinSeattleandanybodycancallusoremailus.

Dave: IfyouhadsaidtheSeattleStemCellClinicinFresnoIwasgoingtogetreallyconfused.

Dr.Tami: That’strue.Well,there’ssomepeoplewhohaveonlinebusinessesthatdon’treallyknowwheretheyare.

Dave: That’safairpoint.It’sinThailand,butitsaysit’sinSeattle.Ihearyouthere.That’sactuallyanimportantquestion.Therearethingsthatyoucan’tlegallydointheUSandthere’sallsortsofquestionsrightnowabouttheregulatorystatusbutthere’shundredsofthousandsofstemcellplacespoppingupeverywhereandtheregulatorycat’soutofthebagalthoughtheyreallycan’tundothatbutthere’salsopeoplewhoflytoGermanyorThailand?

Dr.Tami: Bahamas.

Dave: Bahamas.WhatdoyoudoinSeattleandwhatdoyoudointheBahamas?Whywouldyougooutofthecountry?Doyougetalienstemcells?What’sthedifference?

Dr.Tami: It’shardformetoknow.Iknowalotaboutalotofthegroupthatareoutthere.Whatourgroupisdoingdifferentlyisthatwe’redoingthingswithsuchscrutinybecausewehavetosubmitittothegovernmentandbecausewehavethisreproducibledataandsothesafetyprotocolisthere.AsanMDfirstdonotharmandsowecanhonestlysaythatthere’sthepotentialthatastemcelltreatmentmightmakesomebodyworsebutinover5000treatmentsithasn’tsofarandweknowthatbecausewe’vebeendoingtheexactsamethingoverandoverandoverandoverandsubmittingitandanalyzingit.WehaveanIRBnumbersoit’sareallyabovetheboard’ssafetything.

Dave: TherewasanarticlerecentlyintheNewYorkTimesaboutsomeonewhowenttoastemcellclinicandhadabigmassgrowinhisspineofbloodvesselsandallsortsofknurlystuff.What’sgoingonthere?

Dr.Tami: There’salotofamnioticandfetalderived,we’vestudiedtheseandthosestemcellsdogorogueandwechosejusttodofatjustbecauseofthatplusit’seasierandeverybody’sgotfat.

Dave: Whataboutbonemarrow?

Dr.Tami: Bonemarrowisgoodtoo.Wedecidedtodofatnotbecauseit’sbetterorworsewehadtojustpicksomethingandit’saheckofaloteasierprocedureforthepatient.

Dave: Yeah.Myfirsttime,I’vehad2stemcellproceduresandI’llbegoingtoalotofdetailwithpeoplewhodidthemattheBulletproofConference.Ifyou’reinterestedinlearningabouthackingina


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humanbody,thisisnothundredsofthousandsofdollarsthisisroughly,startsabout3000dollarsifyouhaveaninjuryandyouwantnottohaveakneereplacement,hipreplacementoryouhaveproblemswithyourspine…

Dr.Tami: Oursisalittlebitmoreexpensivebecauseit’ssucha…Butit’sless-

Dave: Iwasgoingtoaskyouwhat’syoursrightnow?

Dr.Tami: Yeah.It’s8900dollars.Wedointerest-freefinancingforpeoplesothatwecanmakeitaccessiblebutwehavealotofexpensesgivenifit’saclinicaltrial.

Dave: Ifit’saclinicaltrialandalsoyou’re…

Dr.Tami: It’snotpharmaceuticalfunded.

Dave: Youcandobankingaswellright?

Dr.Tami: That’smuchlessexpensive.That’sabout3000.

Dave: WhatIfoundisifyougotoanaffordableplaceandyou’regoingtodooneinjectionsidewithoutbanking,that’swhereitstartsbutgenerallythenumbersthatIhearallovertheplacearefrom3to10000dollarsanditalsodependsontheexperienceofthephysiciandoingitandyou’reveryexperiencedandnotalotofpeoplearekeynoteattheAmericanAcademyofAnti-AgingMedicinethat’sveryprestigious.

Dr.Tami: Well,Iwasaliposuctionsurgeonmanyyearsago.

Dave: You’regoodatgettingfatouttoo.Yeahsothat’spartofit,isthatjustgettingthefatinawaythatyouwanttoget…Thefat’sgotlayerstoitandeachlayerofthefathasadifferentviabilityandadifferentconcentrationandsoinourstudiesbutagainI’msobiasedbecauseIloveallthesedata,datageek.Thestuffatthesurface,that’sthestuffthatcanmakepeoplelookliketheyhavedavitsafterwardsifyoudon’tknowwhatyou’redoingsothat’swhythere’salotofuswhousedtodoliposuction,becauseweknowhowtogetthesestuffoutwithoutmakingyoulooklikeyou’vegottohideafterwards.

Dave: Whenyoudolipofromstemcellsyoutakeoutverydifferentlythanyouwouldifyouwerejustdoinglikesculpting?Ididn’tnoticethereductionin…

Dr.Tami: Wellsuchasmallamount.

Dave: Ihavebumpsbecauseit’sstillhealingfromthelastonelikeitactuallyfeelsweirdbutthefatcameouttobelikeafullreductionandyousuctionnormallybutyoudon’tusesuctionwiththis?

Dr.Tami: Yes.It’sJustamanualsuction.


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Dave: It’sjustaneedle.

Dr.Tami: Inliposuctionyou’retryingtoliquefythefatsthatyoucantakelargequantitiesofsothisisjustavacuum-assistedmanualevacuationandthefat’sbeautiful.

Dave: Ittotallyisbutwhythesevideosofit.Attheconferencewe’regoingtodothat.I’vegottoplugtheconference.September23rdthrough25th.

Dr.Tami: I’mgoingtobethere.

Dave: Iwasjustgoingtosaycool.

Dr.Tami: I’msoexcited.

Dave: You’regoingtobethereandlet’sseeyou’llbe…Iactuallydon’thave…

Dr.Tami: Teachingaworkshop?

Dave: Yeah,you’redoingaworkshop.Cool.Wealsohave,ifyou’reinterestedinstemcells,comingtherewehavetheothertwopeoplewhohavedoneproceduresonme.HarryAdelsonfromUtahandChristieCamillafromFloridaaregoingtocomeandtalkaboutdifferentthingssoI’vehadstemcellsdoneinallmysightsofinjury,myface,myhair,downthereandI’vealsohadtheminjectedintomybrainandeverytimeIsaybrainlikeazombiebecauseit’scoollikeFrankensteinanywayIdidsomestemcellsinthebrainsoyou’lllearnalotabouttheseandit’soneofthosethingswhereit’saccessibleanditscheaperthanbeinginpainallthetimeandit’scheaperthanalotoftheotheranti-agingtherapiesfranklythatyoucoulddo.

Dr.Tami: Wellandit’scheaperthanthemedicalexpenses.MyhusbandRocco,wedidhisshoulder.Hewastoldthatheneededashoulderreplacement.

Dave: Wowthat’sbad.That’sareallybadjointtoreplace.

Dr.Tami: We’renotverysuccessfulatdoingitit’slike“Wellwehopeitworksandwehopeyouhaveyourfullrangeofmotion.Itwasacatch22,hewouldsleeponhisbackandhewouldsnoreatnightandI’dpushhimandthenhewouldsleeponhisshoulderanditwouldhurt,hewouldwakeupandhecouldn’tplaywiththekidsandheworksoutandhe’safireman.Itwasreallyaffectinghisqualityoflifeandthenhowdoyoutakeworkoffforajointreplacement?That’stheexpense.Nobodytellsyouaboutthat

Dave: Justhavingascrewinmyrightkneeafter3kneesurgeries.ThelasttimeIwas23.

Dr.Tami: Areyouserious?

Dave: Ihaveascrewinthereyeah.Ohmygodit’sabonepainthat’ssointense,you’renotgoingtobeabletogotoworkandbesane.


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Dr.Tami: Thestemcellprocedureisnextday.It’sthefutureofmedicine.

Dave: I’monboardwiththatandthere’smanyotheramplifyingproceduresthatyoucandoalongwithit.Theydogivesignalingmoleculesalongwithit.

Dr.Tami: NO,theNitricOxideyeahit’sreallygreat.

Dave: Yeah,let’stalkalittlebitaboutthatbecauseNitricOxideissomethingthatlisteners’I’veprobablydoneashowonitbynowbutit’sprettywellknowninathleticcirclesthatorincardiaccirclesnitroglycerinegivesalittlebitof…

Dr.Tami: Diving.

Dave: Yeah,divingbuttheideaiswhenyougetNitricOxideasasignalingmoleculeonthebodyitcausesbetterbloodflowifyouwanttogetvasodilationlikesayforhavinghappytimeinthebedroom.

Dr.Tami: Viagra.

Dave: Yeah,Viagraorimmuneacid,there’swaystoincreasetheseaswellaseatingbeetsortakingabeetrootsupplementsyouactuallyaregivingpeoplenitricoxidessupplementsaspartofstemcellrecoverysothestemcellswillgowherethey’resupposedtogo.Whatdoyoudothere?

Dr.Tami: WhenpeoplecometousandpeoplecanreachusattheSeattlestemcellclinic.netandweevaluateyoubecausethere’resomethingsweknowaregoingtomakeyourstemcellsjuicy.PeoplewhohavereallyterriblevitaminDlevels,don’thavethebeststemcellsandit’snotpartofourclinicaltrialsit’sjustmeI’mjustwantingpeopletogetthebestoutcomesowedothisanalysisfirstthenyouhaveyourprocedureandthenthingsliketheNOissopowerful.Justthinkaboutwhywouldyouwanttogoonawindyhotroadwithobstaclesintheway,whywouldyouwanttogoonabigwidehighwayifyou’reastemcell.That’sbasicallywhat’sit’sdoing.It’screatingthisbigwidehighwaysothatthestemcellscangettowheretheywanttogo.

Dave: Yougetthetinycapillariestoopenupsothatyoucangetthroughthem.It’ssomethingthatIthinkwe’rejustexploring.Ifyougetatanyourvitaminlevels,goupbutifyougetlightexposureitchangesthewaterinyoursothewateractuallywillpullcellsfrommicrocapillariesbychangingastructureanditwascooltointerviewtheguywhofiguredthatoutGeraldPollackwasonBulletproofRadio.

He’sactuallyspeakingalsoattheBulletproofconferencearoundhowchangingthestructureofwaterintowhattheycallthefourthphaseofwaterorinclusionzonewaterhowthataffectshowyourcellsmakeenergyandhowvegetablejuiceandhowtreesapandwhywatersometimesgoesthroughthingsthatitshouldn’tgothroughlikehowourbloodcellsgetthroughcapillariesthatareonly20%bigenoughforittogothrough.Somethingsucksthemthrough,itturnsoutthisphaseofwaterdoesthatandthisguyisvery,verycredentialed.UniversityofWashington,headeditorofWaterthejournal.


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Dr.Tami: Ohyeah.

Dr.Tami: That’scoolandsoIsuspectwe’regoingtoseealotmorebeingdonewithinfraredlightandredlightandthingslikethatinconjunctionwithstemcellproceduresandthere’speopledoinglaseractivation.Areyoudoingthatnow?

Dr.Tami: Iwasgoingsay,yes.

Dave: Okay.Goshyoureadmymind.

Dr.Tami: Iwasgoingtosaywedothisincosmeticmedicineallthetimeandit’sinterestingthattheredlightisverypowerfulforyourcollagenandyourelastinandhaslotstodowithhydrationandthebuildinginit.Itactuallypromotesfibroblasticactivityandthebloodflow.It’samazing.

Dave: Hereisaquestionforyou.Ihaven’tactuallyaskedChristinethisorHarry.Ifred’slightgoodforthesethingswhatisbluelight?

Dr.Tami: Wellyouknowweusebluelightincosmeticmedicineaswell.Weuseittokillthings.

Dave: Yeah.Ifyou’reexposingyourselftolotsofbluelightduringastemcellprocedure,what’sgoingtohappen?Ibelievethatit’sabouttimethatdoctor’sofficesgotridofLEDlightingentirely.

Dr.Tami: Ihavenaturallightinmyclinic.

Dave: Beautiful.Whatdoyouusehalogenorincandescent?

Dr.Tami: Incandescent.

Dave: Thereyougo.There’sveryfewclinicswhodothat.

Dr.Tami: Well,Iownmybuilding.

Dave: Thereyougo.

Dr.Tami: I’mincontrol.

Dr.Tami: Wehaveaboatloadofwindows.

Dave: It’scriticallyimportanttodothatandIbelieveevenmoresowithstemcells.Imaginethis,you’restemcellsareout,youholdthemupinavileandyoulookatthem…

Dr.Tami: ACitravile.

Dave: Youexposethemtothelight,thatbasicallystopsmitochondrialactionssoweknowthattheredlighthelpsandweknowthatbluelightactuallystresses,infactweknowitstressestheeyes,weknowitstressesthebrainanditstressesstemcells.


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Dr.Tami: It’satreatmentforacne.Itkillsthebacteria.

Dave: Yeah.ItdoesanditcreatestheoppositeofstructuredwatersoIdon’tlikeitwhenIgointoa

stemcellclinicandtheyhaveLEDlightsaroundbecauseIthinkit’sgoingtoaffecttheprocedure.Idon’tknowhow,someonedosomedataonthat.

Dr.Tami: Whyrisk?It’sabigdeal.It’saonetimedeal.

Dave: WhydoyouwantinyourbackandstareatsomenastyLEDlightingthat’smakingyourbraintiredandthosepathwaystheyareonmynewbook.Weknowexactlyhowthatworks.

Dr.Tami: Weknowwe’vegotHimalayansaltlampsintheroom.

Dave: Iseeyourunahippieclinic.Ididn’tknowthat.

Dr.Tami: Yeah.

Dave: TellmeaboutHimalayansalt.There’soneovertherebythewayI’mjustmakingfunofmyself?

Dr.Tami: Idon’tknowabouttheclaimsbutI’mgoingtodoeverythingIcanwiththesciencethatIknowhowtodoifit’snotgoingtoharmit.

Dave: Ihaveseenpeoplesayohthesesaltlampsmakeions,Ican’tfindanyscienceaboutthat?

Dr.Tami: Allergies.Ican’tfindanyscienceaboutiteither.

Dave: Iheardifyoujustmeditateinfrontofthemyoucangrowthethirdeye?Peoplewillmakeupallsortsofweirdstuffandsomeofit,whoknowsmaybesomeoneexperiencedasortofcoolthing.IwillsaythatIlikethelightthatcomesoutofthem

Dr.Tami: It’sthatlightthat’seasyontheeyes.

Dave: Yeah.It’sverygentle.Whenmykidsareintheyliketolickitbecauseittasteslikesalt,it’slikeaSaltLakeformykids.

Dr.Tami: Whenmykidswerelittlethatwastheirnightlightbecausetheydon’twantthepluginlights.

Dave: Beautiful.Whowouldhavethought.PeopledoingstemcellsinjectionsoffHimalayanlamps.Areyouabiohackerorareyoujustspecial?

Dr.Tami: I’manoddMDIknow.

Dave: It’sactuallytherightkindofMDtobe.NowspeakingofthetypesofMDs,wedidn’treallytalkaboutyourotherlittlethingyoudo.You’reanationalbestsellingauthoronTheHormoneSecretandyoutalkaboutdepletedtestosteronelevels,bouncinghormones,losingweightanddoyou


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haveanewaudioversionthatcameup?

Dr.Tami: It’scomingaboutinpaperback.

Dave: Ohcool.

Dr.Tami: SimonandSchusteristhepublisheranditwillbecomingoutinDecember.

Dave: InDecember?

Dr.Tami: Yes.

Dave: TheHormoneCure?

Dr.Tami: TheHormoneSecret.Iknowyou’reso…

Dave: I’mjustgoingtosaythis.SaraGottfriedisagoodfriendandshewasaHormoneCurer.

Dr.Tami: Ofminetoo.

Dave: Wehangoutatthesameconferences,right?Youguyshavesimilarnamesandit’sthesamethingwiththeBoneBrothDiet,right?

Dr.Tami: Yeah,Kellyann.

Dave: KellyannhastheBoneBothsomethingandtheotheroneistheBoneBrothsomethingelseandIdonotkeepthemstraight.

Dr.Tami: Peoplealwaysaskmewhat’sthedifference?Sara’safantasticbrilliantphysicianandamazingauthorandshehasagreatoverviewandshetalksatinytinybitabouttestosterone.ItalkalittlebitoftheoverviewandhowallthehormonesareasymphonyandtheyneedtoworktogetherbutIthinkthattestosteroneistheunsungheroandnobodyistalkingaboutitandthere’saboatloadofevidenceandsothat’swhatmybookTheHormoneSecretisbecauseit’sasecretbecausenobody’sbeentalkingaboutit.

Dave: IliketestosteronesooneofthethingsthatItalkedaboutafewyearsagoonthepodcastthatIhadsomepeoplegoing“You’renotsupposedthat,”wasthatIusedtousetopicaltestosterone,Iwentofftotestosteroneabout4yearsagoforacoupleofyears,actuallyforabout3yearsandaboutafewmonthsagomylevelsweredownagain.I’m43soIstartedsamplingagainjusttokeepmylevelswhereIwantthemnotthecrazy…

Dr.Tami: Yeahwhenyoudoalotoftravellingyouradrenalsgoupanddown.

Dave: Sure.Iconsiderusinganyhormonetobetherightthingtodoifthat’swhatyouwantyourbiologytobesoI’mreallyopenaboutthatstuffandwhenIusedtousethecreamthough,adoctorinthebayareatoldme“Welljusttryputtingalittlebitonthelabiaandwatchwhat


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happens.”WhenIfirsttoldyouaboutthatyouhadagreatnameforthis.

Dr.Tami: ScreamCream.

Dave: That’sright.Youhearditherescreamcream.Whathappenswhenawomangetsatinytinydoseoftestosteroneontopicallydowntheretousethemedicaltermforthevagina.

Dr.Tami: It’sincreasedsensitivityandsothesexualexperienceisheightenedinalmosteverywaysoincreasesensitivity,increaseinclimax,increaseinduration,increaseinfrequency,increaseineaseofgettingaclimaxsoit’scalledscreamcreamforareason.

Dave: Whythemassivevasodilation?Thatmeansbloodflowifyou’renotintomedicalterminology.Thereisacertainamountofbloodflowthathappensandthenthere’sthescreamcreamversionandyou’relikeimpossible.

Dr.Tami: Wellandthenscreamcreamfromtheprescriptionperspectivehastestosteroneinitbutitalsohassomevasodilators.

Dave: Okay,I’venoticedthevasodilatorswithjustmyplaintestosteroneinlife,10%.

Dr.Tami: Youcandothataswell,absolutely.

Dave: You’redoingsomenaughtthingsintherethen.

Dr.Tami: Yeah.Wereallywanttogetitdoneright.

Dave: Ididn’tknowyourollthatwaysothat’scheating.

Dr.Tami: Yeah,youcombinethatwithsomeinter-nasaloxytocinandthere’syourhoneymoonwhenyou’remarried20years.

Dave: I’vebeentalkingrecentlyaboutoxytocin.I’dhadmylevelstested.IwasmoderatelylowandItriedlozengesandIdidn’treallynoticeanyeffectfromoxytocinlozenges.Infact,…

Dr.Tami: Becauseyou’reswallowingit.Idon’tcarewhatanybodysaysaboutthoselozenges.

Dave: Isuckedonitforawhile.

Dr.Tami: Yeahit’ssupposedtogothroughthemucusmembranebutit’sgoinginthegutandtheliverislikeaddictgoing…

Dave: Itendtothinkthatwaswhathappened.Infact,thatisn’tannounced.IhaveoneoftherockstarsofoxytocinasasurprisespeakerattheBulletproofConference.

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Dave: No,it’sman.

Dave: Thatone.

Dr.Tami: Theflamboyantone?

Dave: He’sprettydarnflamboyant.

Dr.Tami: Withhisoutfits?

Dave: No,notthatone.Thisguywillhugthecrapoutofyou.You’llknowwhoI’mtalkingabout.

Dr.Tami: Ohyeah,yeahIdo.

Dave: Thenthere’sanothertopexpertwhowillcomewhois…Wearen’tgoingtoannouncethatyetbutyeah,anotheronewho’swrittenmultiplebooksaboutit.Oxytocinisoneofthosehormones…It’shardtotake.Ihaven’ttriedintranasalbutIthinkImightknowsomeonewhocanhookup.

Dr.Tami: Yes.Imightknowhertoo.

Dave: Yeahexactly.Iknowsomepeoplewho’veactuallyinjectedit.Ihaveadoctor,sameasyoudoit,yougetallsortsofweirdstuffyoudon’ttellpeopleabout.Whatwouldhappenifsomeoneuses…?Thisisdifferentthanoxycodonewhichisflatoutveryaddictive,badstuff.Whathappenswhenyougetalittlebitofoxytocin?

Dr.Tami: Oxytocinisnaturalsoit’sahormoneweallhaveanyway.It’syourconnect,feelgood,scrumptioushormone.There’sareallyfamousanti-agingphysician,athirdgenerationinterventionalendocrinologistDr.HerzogfromBelgium.TheDr.HerzogSignishisgrandfather’sandit’sinallofourmedicaltextbooks.It’swhenthelateral2/3ofyoureyebrowsarethinning,thatmeansyourthyroidisintrouble.

Dave: Oh.Youguyssaythat?ThathappenedtomewhenIwasateenager.Bythewayifinyourcaroratworkandyoudidn’tseethatbecauseyou’relisteningtotheaudio.I’vehadthisprettymuchmyentireadultlife.I’vehadthinningoftheouterpartsofmyeyebrowanditdoesn’trespondtoanything.

Dr.Tami: Wellanditcouldbenowthatthat’sjustthewayitis.Whenyoucatchitearlyonitsmoreoftenthannotasignofhypothyroidism.

Dave: IhadHashimotohypothyroidismandIgotridofHashimotoIhavenoantibodiestoitandI’mdownabouttoa1/3ofthethyroidhormoneIusedtotakebutIstilltakethyroidbecausewellthishashappenedsinceIwasprobablyateenagerI’vehadthyroidissues.IgotridofthemwhenIwas30butI’m43nowandIstilldon’thavemyeyebrowsback.IwasthinkingIshouldgetsometattooeduptherelikeredones?

Dr.Tami: PutLatisseonit.


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Dave: Allright.Let’sjustgostraightfortheanti-agingstuff.Latisseisdesignedforwomentogrow

longereyelashes.

Dr.Tami: Doyouknowitwasn’tcreatedforthat.

Dave: Whatwasitcreatedfor?

Dr.Tami: It’saglaucomamedication.

Dave: Ohhowfunny.

Dr.Tami: Thenthey’relike,“Grandpa,youreyelashesaresolong.”ThisbigoldpharmaceuticalcompanycalledAlagonwaslike“Hmm.”Theytesteditandyeah.Inourclinicweactuallygiveitawaytopatientswho’veundergonechemotherapy.

Dave: Thatstuffisexpensive.It’slike300bucksabox.It’shuge.

Dr.Tami: Yeah,butwhenyouhavenoeyebrowsandnoeyelashes.

Dave: It’sinteresting.I’mactuallyaninvestorinacompanycalledThriveCosmeceuticalsandThrivegivesawayathingofmakeuptoacancervictim,onewithcancerforeveryonethat’spurchasedandthefounderofThriveusedtoworkforme.ShewasatBulletproofanddecidedtogodothatwithmyfullsupportbecausethatsamething,it’ssodifferentwhenyou’relike,“Idon’thavemyhair.”Asawomanespecially,itchangesthings.Iloveitthatyougivethataway.That’sreallycool.

Dr.Tami: Alotofmedicinecomessidewaysandthat’swhat…Tocomefullcircle,that’swhathappenedwithtestosteroneforwomenisthatwehadthis…Wegoinphasesandmedicineandwe’rethinkingwomenaren’tfeelingwell.Okaywelllet’sgive…They’rehavinghotflushesandfeelingterrible.Let’sgivethemestrogenbecausethey’vehadahysterectomy.Well,that’snotbalancingthesymphony.Okay,welllet’sgivethemestrogenandprogesterone.Wellthere’sstillsomuchnotcorrectwithleavingeverythingelseout.

That’swhathappenedinmyownlife.Iwasaresident.IhadanewbornbabyandIwaspregnantagain.ThenIhadmysecondbabyandIwasdowntomyoriginalweightbecauseIwasworkingallthetimeandIhadlookedatmyhormonesandIreplacedmyprogesterone,feltbetterbutstillnottheenergy.Stillnotthemuscle.StillnottheblubberthatjustcoveredeventhoughIwasthesameweight.ThatmademelookholisticallyatmyownbloodworkandIthought,“Oh.Idon’thaveanytestosterone.None.Nofreetestosterone.”

Dave: Whatwouldhappenifeverynewmothergotscreeningfortestosterone?

Dr.Tami: Theywouldbefantasticbecausethatbouncebackandwecanrebootyouradrenalstomakeit.Youdon’thavetotaketestosteronewhenyou’reyoung.There’ssomuchwecando.Ihavesomanypatientswhowemeasuretheirbloodlevelsevery3monthsandsalivaandurine.Their


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levelshavetripledwithouttakingtestosterone.

Dave: Justfromdietarychanges.

Dr.Tami: Dietary,fat’sabigpartoftestosterone.They’reveryspecificthingsthattheadrenalglandswantinordertoproducetestosterone.Youknowwhat’sreallycoolandIthinkyou’lllovethisisthatlifestylehacksaffectproductionofhormones.Didyouknowthere’sastudyoutofHarvard?

Dave: YouhavetosayHarvard.

Dr.Tami: Yesexactly.StandingintheWonderWomanpose,for2to3minutesincreasesyourtestosterone.

Dave: Yeahthepowerposes.

Dr.Tami: Yes.Cool.

Dave: Thatissocool.IdotheWonderWomanpose.Actually,IhavethewholeWonderWomanoutfittogowithit.

Dr.Tami: I’mgoingtowearthattoBulletproof.Withmycapeflyingdownthehall.

Dave: That’dbeawesome.

Dr.Tami: No.

Dave: Totally.

Dr.Tami: I’mgoingto.

Dave: Wellwe’llgetsomelightersforyousoyoucanflyin.

Dr.Tami: Ohthat’dbeawesome.

Dave: BythewayhaveyouseenthetrailersforthenewWonderWomanmovie?

Dr.Tami: No.

Dave: There’sanewoneandshe’sprettystrongintermsofjustflyingaround,basicallykickingguysintheballsallthetime.There’sascenethatmadealotofmyteamlaughbecause…she’sfromtheAmazonorsomewhereinthismovieandshecomesinandtheguywhobringshertoNewYorksays,“Thisismysecretary.”Shegoes,“Whatisasecretary?”Thesecretarysays,“Ohit’swhen…Hebasicallytellsmewheretogoandtellsmewhattodo.”WonderWomanlooksatherandgoes,“WehaveawordforthatwhereI’mfrom.Itiscalledaslave.”

Dr.Tami: Iloveit,ohmygosh.


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Dave: Ithoughtthatonewaskindoffunny.Ofcoursethesecretaryislike,“Ilikeher.Youshouldkeep

her.”

Dr.Tami: Absolutely.

Dave: Thereyougo.YoucangetthenewWonderWoman.

Dr.Tami: Thereyougo.Ineedone.

Dave: You’regoingtoneedalittlebitmoretestosteronetogetthatlookthoughbecauseit’sthemostbuffsareWonderWomanor-

Dr.Tami: That’sthethingalotofwomenareafraidoftestosteronebutwe’renottalkingaboutgettingyoutothatbufflevel.

Dave: Itdoesn’tdothat.Yeah.

Dr.Tami: We’retalkingaboutreplacingwhatyou’velosttogobacktothatenergeticself.Ifindmypatientstellme,“I’mashadowofwhoIusedtobe.I’mnotsickbutI’mnotfeelingmyself.”Itistestosterone.Iwanttocreateahormonerevolutionwiththisbook.Iwanttowakewomenuptosay,youknowwhat?Your40s,your50sandyour60scanbethemostenergetic,themoststrong,themostamazing,engagedconnectedtimeofyourlife.

Dave: You’reontosomethingthere.I’venevermetawomanwhowasontestosteronewhowasn’tgratefulforit.Notonce.OhIcouldn’thandleit.

Dr.Tami: It’salifechanger.

Dave: Noneofthemhavegoatees.

Dr.Tami: Iknow.

Dave: Noneofthemwearliketonsof…It’snotthat.

Dr.Tami: YouhavealittlebitofmusclebutI’mnothuge.

Dave: There’sthiswholestigmaanditcomesfromthisridiculousPuritanicalthingbecausetheUSwasfoundedbythesePuritanswhowereanti…Ididn’tknowtheywereanti.

Dr.Tami: Antistrength?

Dave: Whoknowswhattheywereagainstbutthere’sthisideaslikeyouhavetosuffer,sufferingmakesyougood.Thenwehadthe70swherepeopleinjectedsyntheticchemicalsthatwerederivativesofnaturalsteroidsandnaturalthings,theygotlivercancerandtheywentinroadrageandallthesestuffwhichwasoverblownbythemediaanyway.Whereweenduptodayis


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peoplearelike,“Testosterone,eitherthat’scheatingorit’sbad.”I’mlike,“That’sdone.”Yourbodymakestestosterone.

Dr.Tami: Forareason.

Dave: Yeahit’sthere.

Dr.Tami: WellandDr.DanielevenwrotetheforwardofmybookandIwassogratefulbecausehebroughttolightthattheproblemis,isthatallhormonesaredepletedatamuchearlierstage.I’mfindingwomenwhohavetestosteroneandotherhormonelevelsthatIusedtoseeinwomenintheir50s,intheir30s.Our24/7lifestyleisdrainingourabilitytokeepupfromahormoneperspective.Thereisnoborrowingfromtomorrow,youaregoingtobehormonallybankrupt.That’swhywestartedseeingpatientsviaSkypeandphonebecausetherearesofewpeopletohelppeople.Wejustofferphoneappointmentsforcoachingandhelpingpeoplefindoutwhatisgoingonandbringingtolight:Youcan’tleaveouttestosterone.

Dave: It’sreallyinterestingbecausethequalityoflifethathappenswhenyougetinwomen,you’rethickeningofcertainissueswhereyouwantedtohavethickeningandjustthezestforlifeandfranklysexdrive.Ifyou’redealingwithyoungchildren,it’sverycommonyou’reexhausted.Howmanypeoplehaverelationshipproblemsbecauseofthat?

Dr.Tami: Wellyouknowit’sadoubleedgedsword.Alotofwomen,theirlibidoisactuallylowerontheirlistbecausethey’reexhaustedbuttheirlibido,thereasonit’slowisbecausethey’reexhausted.Testosteronefixesboth.Thefirstthingthathappensisyougetyourenergyback.

Dave: Irememberthat.

Dr.Tami: Thenyoumightjustaswell…Nowyou’remoreinterestedanywaysbecauseyou’renotexhausted.

Dave: WhenmytestosteronewasreallylowandI’mtryingtoremember…I’dhavetolookattestsfrom15yearsagobutyeahIhadnoenergyatall.Mythyroidwaslowtoo.Iwentonthyroidandtestosteronelike,“OhmygodIgotmylifeback.”I’mlike,“NowIwanttogetsome.”Itgoesinthatorder.You’renotlike,“OhI’mreallytiredbutIstillwanttogetsome.”You’vegottofixtheenergy.Here’ssomethingthatyoumightknowthis.It’salmostunknown,isthatenergyiswherethiscomesfrom.I’mwritingabookaboutmitochondria,I’vereadthousandsofweirdmedicalpapersonstuffthathappensbecausethat’showthesynthesizetheknowledgeandthestory.Thesynthesisofpregnenolonehappensinthemitochondria.

Dr.Tami: Pregnenolone’s,it?

Dave: Nowpeoplethrowthewordpregnenolone,whatdoesitbecome?

Dr.Tami: Wegivepeoplepregnenolonejustsothattheycanmaketheirowntestosteronesometimes.

Dave: Exactly.


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Dr.Tami: It’sit.Youcanlookatthebiochemicalpathway.IactuallyhaveitlaminatedandIshowpatients.

Dave: Exactly.

Dr.Tami: It’slikesee.

Dave: Here’swhat’smissingfromyourchartunlessweonlyhavethechartlikeittheworldisthat

beforepregnenoloneismitochondrialfunction.Ifyoucannotmakeenergyinyourcells,youwillnotmakepregnenoloneandthenyouwanttohavealltheseotherhormones.Ifthosehormonesareattoolevels,theycauseyourmitochondriatobecomemisshapen.Thenyouhavemisshapenmitochondriathatcan’tmakeenergyverywellsoyoucan’tmakepregnenolone.

Dr.Tami: Thatmakessensebecausethemitochondriaisthefactory.

Dave: It’sthefactoryanditrespondstohormones,ifyouhaveespeciallythyroid.Yourmitochondriadon’tworkrightsothenyoudon’thaveenoughenergy.It’sactuallynotjustahormonecascade,it’sanenergycascadethatinfluenceshormones.

Dr.Tami: That’swhyitmakessomuchsense.Yourenergygoesupfirstwhenyourebootyourtestosteronenaturally.

Dave: Yeah.Whowouldhavethought?Theydon’tteachthat.

Dr.Tami: Theydon’tteachitinmedicalschoolbecauseIgraduatedtop,top2%ofthelicenseexamintheUnitedStatesandIdidn’tknowanyofit.Ihadtodoawholefellowship.

Dave: Thatstudywasfrom2014.

I’vebeenhackingmymitochondriasince1996.Idon’thaveenoughenergy.WhenIreallystartedspendingthesehundredsofthousandsofdollars,I’mtiredallthetime.Ifeltmymitochondriahadbeenpoisoned.Theyhad,itwastoxicmold.Iwentthrougheverythingthatyoucouldpossiblydotomakeyourmitochondriaworkbetter.I’mlike,“I’lldoallofit.”ItturnsoutIdidnotknowandtheydidnotknowthequantumbiologythingsweknownowthatmitochondriaaresuperconductive.Themitochondria,thewaythetheymakeelectronswasn’tfullyelucidated.Thefactthattheychangeshapethewaytheydoinresponsetohormoneswasn’tknown.SomeofthiswasevenafterIstartedtheshow.

Like,“Ican’tbelievetherateofchangehere.”Foryourpatientsthat’swhyyougivethemtestosteroneanditchangestheirenergyproductionwhichthenlikeyousaid,itrebootsorkickstartstheenergyfront.I’mblownawaybyhoweffectiveitisbecauseyoufeelitinyourbrainfirst.

Dr.Tami: Ohyeahandforwomenit’sinteresting.It’snotjustthatsharpness,thebrainfoggoesawayandyourabilitytomultitaskreturnsorourthoughtthatwecanmultitask.It’sconfidence.It’sinterestingthatwomengetolderandolderandoldertheygetmoresensitivetotheirdoing


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thingsforotherpeople,they’resecondguessingthemselvesandtheyperceivethataswisdom.Yes,it’sgoodtobecomemoresensitiveandmoreawareandmoreaccommodatingbutthere’safinelinebetweenthatbeingthewayitisandsecondguessingyourselfbecauseyouhavenomoreconfidenceornotenoughconfidence.That’swhat’scrazy.

Dave: Thebrainfogmakesyousecondguessyourself?

Dr.Tami: Yes.Youthinktoyourself,whenIwasinmy20sIwouldnotbetakingthislongtomakethisdecisionandthinkingaboutthethirdandthefourthandthefifthandthesixthpossibleoutcome.Iwouldmakeadecision.

Dave: Infact,theideaofmommybrainiswellknown.Youhavechildren.Lana,mywife,aphysician,she’ssmarterthanIfranklyandIjustdon’tsaythat,Iknowhernumbers.

Dr.Tami: She’swickedsmart.

Dave: She’sprettysmart.

Dr.Tami: Igettolaugh,she’sagoodfriend.

Dave: Shedoesn’tlikeitwhenIsaythatbutwhenespeciallythefirstcoupleofyearsafterbothkids,shecouldn’treallyrememberanything.Itwaslikeherbrainwasjustnoton.Someofthatisprobablyhormonalandweaddressedthatstuffaswell.Someofitisthisenergythingyou’retalkingaboutthatwithoutthehormones,ifIcanrememberthefrustrationreallyclearlyourkidsare7and9now.It’slessofanissuebutthefirstcoupleofyearsshewasreallyfrustratedbecausewhatwaseasytodomentally,sheneverhadacalendar,sheremembersallthesestuff.Nowshehasacalendarandthingslikethatwereadmittingweaknessorsomethinglikethatinawaythatsheneverhadbefore.

Dr.Tami: Yeah,absolutely.

Dave: Whatdoyouseeinyourpatients?Whatdoyouseeinyourselfwhenyoudotestosteroneorthyroidorwhatevertheyneed?Howquicklydoesthatchange?

Dr.Tami: Ohsometimesinlessthanaweek.It’scrazy.

Dave: Thatwasmyexperience.WhenIgettestosteroneandthyroidIwaslike,“Holycrap.ThisishowI’msupposedtofeel.”

Dr.Tami: Sometimesdependingon…Youcan’ttakesomeonefromheretooptimalovernightsosometimesit’s3monthsishowlongthecellslive.Sometimesyouneedatleast1cellularturnoversoit’sa3to6month.Ialwaystellpeople“Ifyou’regoingtobothertryingtorebootyourbiologybychangingyournutritionorimplementingasupplementprogram,don’twasteyourtime,energyormoneyunlessyou’regoingtodoitforatleast3monthsbecauseyouneedinformationforthesenewguysandlettheoldguysdie.”Sometimesit’s3to6months.


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Dave: Itmakessenseinfact.What’sthehalf-lifeofbloodcells,it’somewherelike4monthsifIrememberright?

Dr.Tami: Yeah.It’ssocrazy.Inmedicalschoolyoulearnallthisinformationandeverybodyremembersthelifespanofaredbloodcell.It’slike162days.It’scrazy.

Dave: YeahIdon’twhy.Getabloodtestaboutoften.Thatwouldberight.

Dr.Tami: That’sthewaytothehemoglobinA1C.ThediabetesknowthisbecausethathemoglobinA1Cisyourredbloodcellandhowmuchsugar’sbeenshovedontoitandlivesabout3months.It’sapictureofyoursugarcontrolforabout3months.Thediabeticsknowthat.

Dave: Basicallyifyou’regoingtoinforyourmedicalinsurance,lifeinsurancething,justbegoodfor3monthsbeforeyourandtestwillbefine.

Dr.Tami: Exactly.

Dave: Right.

Dr.Tami: yeah.

Dave: Ihave2morequestionsforyouthatIpromisedI’dgetin.Oneofthemisapersonalbiohack.Iwanttogetyouropiniononsomething.Theotheroneisaboutthelasttimeyouwereontheshow.Oneofourlistenerscommentedandsaidthatyouspokeaboutadrenalhealthandcoffeealittletooclosetogether.Tellmeaboutcoffee.Webothtendtothinkit’sasuperfood.Let’stalkadrenalhealthandcoffeebecausethere’sstuffaboutitthatyouknow.

Dr.Tami: Yes.Coffeewithoutgoodfatinitisterriblefortheadrenals.

Dave: Itendtoagreealthough…

Dr.Tami: It’snotneutral.

Dave: Ilikeit.Blackcoffee.

Dr.Tami: It’snotneutral.It’slikesayingtoyouradrenalglandsandslappingthemacrossthefacetowakethemup.

Dave: Okay.Isthistrueforpeoplewhoarehealthy?Yoursayingnotothebackcoffee?

Dr.Tami: No.Nothisispeoplewhohaverealsevereadrenalfatigue.

Dave: Yeah,okay,right,whichIdidhave,right.

Dr.Tami: Theywakeupfeelingliketheyhaveleadsownintotheirskin,moretiredthanwhentheywenttobed.Thebutterinthecoffeeactuallydoesbluntthatslapandsoitcangiveyouenoughofa


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boosttogetthroughyourdaywithoutabusingyouradrenals.

Dave: Thankyouforsayingthat.Thereareagroupofphysicianswhosay,“Youradrenalsarebad,don’tdocoffee.”Here’sthethingasapersonwhohadadrenalfatiguelikereallybadadrenalfatigue,inSiliconValley,doinghundredsofmillionsofdollars’worthofdeals,puttingfoodonmyfamily’stable,youknowwhat?Youwantmetogowithoutcoffee?There’sonethingIcouldtellyou,“Kissmyass.”

Dr.Tami: Everybodyavoidyou.

Dave: Itdoesn’twork.Youfeellikecrapallthetime.You’rereallytired.Abusingcoffee,drinkingcoffeeevery2hourslikeIusedtodobecauseIdidn’tunderstandwhyIwascrashingallthetimefromit,that’sharmful.

Dr.Tami: Right.That’sanothergoodpoint.That’sanothergoodpoint.There’scoffeeandthenthere’stheAmericanversionof5gallonsalldaylonginsubstitutionoffeedingyourcells.It’snotablackandwhitequestionthatadrenalswhoareseverelyfatiguedonotlikeplaincoffeewithoutabufferandthegoodfatisabuffer.That’sactuallyinmybook.Youareinmybook.WetalkaboutthisinTheHormoneSecret.Yeah.

Dave: Ididn’tknowbutthankyou.

Dr.Tami: Yes.Iinterviewedyouandyou’reinmybook.

Dave: IremembertheinterviewbutIdidn’tknowitwaswrittenintheresothankyou.

Dr.Tami: WellIputyouin.

Dave: Here’sthethinglikepersonally,Iwentwithoutcoffeefor5yearsandthenIfixedmyadrenalsandbecauseIfeltfeelingreallyjitteryandweirdwhenIdrinkcoffeewhichisthemoldthingwayImakespecialcoffeebeansthatdon’thavethesejitterthingsinthem.Bytheway,thosemoldtoxinsareassociated…Inastudywithadrenalautoimmunitytowardstheadrenalcortexinonestudy.

Dr.Tami: Theyalsoscrewupyourhormoneproduction.

Dave: Themoldtoxins?

Dr.Tami: Youcan’thaveitwiththemold.

Dave: There’sestrogensright?

Dr.Tami: IgetpeopletotesttheirhousewhenIcan’tincreasetheirhormones.

Dave: It’scritical.


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Dr.Tami: I’mlike,itmustbemold.”They’relike“NoIdon’thavemold.”

Dave: Yes,youdo.

Dr.Tami: WellIsay,“Youhavetoproveittome.Gotakethispetridishesandputtheminyourhouse.”

Dave: That’swhythedocumentaryissoimportantbecausethemoldwilltriggerHashimoto’s.It’lltrigger…

Dr.Tami: It’ssosneaky.

Dave: Hypothalamicautoimmunity.That’sbecauseinthechainofthings,yourhypothalamuscontrolsthepituitarygland.Thepituitaryglandcontrolshormoneexcretion.

Dr.Tami: Includingfromtheadrenals.

Dave: YeahbecauseIlivedinamoldyhouse.Let’sseeadrenaldysfunction,thyroiddysfunction.MyFSH,whichisanothersexhormone,didIsaythyroid?MyLH,luteinizinghormoneoff,mytestosterone’soff,myestrogenwastoohigh.Allofthatstuff.

Dr.Tami: Cortisol,cortisone,yourratioofinflammatoryadrenalproductionhormonesto…

Dave: Ohandsomeneurotransmittersmyepinephrinetonorepinephrineratiowas47.

Dr.Tami: Youweremessedup.

Dave: ThatwasamicdroplookifyouarenotwatchingonYouTube.Shejustgavemethislookof,“Areyouinsane?”Yeahwhentheysawtheresultstheywerelike,“Jesusman.”

Dr.Tami: Whathaveyoubeendoing?

Dave: Youliveinahousewithblackmoldandyoueatthewrongfoodsbecauseyou’retryingtoloseweightandyoucan’t.ThisiswhathappensandwhyamIreallypassionateaboutwhatIdois,there’snoexcuseforanyofthattohappen.Itwassimplythatthesystemdidn’tworktotakecareofit.

Dr.Tami: NoandIloveyourcoffeeforthatreason.Iknowthisisn’taplugaboutyourcoffeeandIdon’tneedtoplugyourcoffeeandyoudon’tneedme.The2mostcommoncausesofmoldtoxicityinmyexperienceandyouhavemoreexperienceinmoldthanIdoispeanutsandcoffee.

Dave: Isaid,“Nevereatpeanutsandbereallyselectiveonthecoffee.”

Dr.Tami: We’reinagreement.

Dave: Wellandlookatthestudies.


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Dr.Tami: Youjustgo,whatismoldlike?Warm,moistenvironments.Whatdotheydowithcoffeebeans?Theyputtheminpilesandtheyliterallysteam.Theyjustsitthere.

Dave: IftheysteamedwithsteamtemperaturesI’dbehappy.Theyjustletthemsitthereandrotbasically.

Dr.Tami: Forlongperiodsoftimeyeah.Samewithpeanuts.

Dave: Itblowsmeawaythattheknowledgeistherebuttherearen’tlaws.ThereareforpeanutsbutforcoffeeintheUSthere’snoregulationsatallaboutthis.WhichiswhyifitgetsrejectedfromJapanorEurope,itliterallygetssendtotheUSandwedrinkit.WhathappenstopeoplewhoarenotasmoldsensitiveasIwasorjustassickasIwas,theydrinkit.Theyjustgetasugarcravingandtheygetalittlecranky.FormeI’mlike,“Ineedtotakeanapnow.Thatjustruinedmyday.”Ifeel…

Dr.Tami: Dull.

Dave: Yeah.Itturnsoffmybrain.Ibecamereallyreligiousaboutit.EvenbeforeIdiscoveredthisstuff,whenIwasdealingwithmoldtoxicity,1cupofcoffeewithfatinthemorning,whenmyadrenalsweren’tworkingwouldgivemeenoughenergytofeelgood.Thishastodowithwhatcaffeineinlowdosesdoestocyclicamp.Doyouwanttotalkthroughthat?Areyoufamiliarwiththat?

Dr.Tami: CyclicAMP?Yeah.It’sawholeKrebsCycleandthewholeentireproductionofenergyasrequired.Ilovethatyouhaveaproteinthatyouputinyourcoffeeaswellbecausethat’stheonlyotherthingthatIloveforpeoplewhohaveadrenalfatigueistogetthatproteininthemorning.Somanypeopledon’twanttoeatinthemorning.Theyjustwanttohavetheircupofcoffeeandthat’sfine.Putyourproteininyourcoffee.Yougottogetitin.Yougotallofthat.ThecyclicAMPispartoftheclubcycle.Youcan’thaveenergyforthedaywithoutthatwholecycle.

Dave: TheBulletproofCollagenProteinworksreally,reallywellbecauseyoucan’ttasteit.Wheyproteindoesn’tworkverywellbecauseitgetsheatedupandit’smoresensitivethemoleculesinaremoresensitivetotheblending.Inoticedespeciallywomenlikethatalotandthey’repeoplewhojustwanttoeatbreakfast.Eggsaregoodforyouthat’sfineifyou’renotsensitivetothem.Fortherestofusorifyou’reinahurry…MykidsdrinkBulletproofCoffeewithcollageninit.It’snottheonlythingtheydrinkbuttheygetabout1or2ounceseverymorningandwiththeoilthebrainoctane,theyactuallyfocusbetter.Theyfeelbetter.They’recalmer.I’mokaywiththat.

Anywayjusttogofullcircleonthattreatinganadrenaldysfunctionpatientinsuchawaythattheydon’tgettheirlifebackbecausethey’retiredallthetimebecauseyou’repreventingthemfromhavingsomethingthatincreasestheirabilitytoconvertwastedenergybackintoenergyisnotokay.That’swhatthisCyclicAMPdoesintheirKrebscycleandcaffeinehasthiseffect.

Dr.Tami: Yeahthusthecyclic.


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Dave: Yeahcyclic.Whathappensinpeoplewhohavemold,peoplewhohavethyroiddysfunctionor

anyonewhohasmitochondrialdysfunction,whichbytheway48%ofpeopleaccordingtosomeoftheresearchIhave,haveearly-onsetmitochondriadysfunctionandanyoneover50hasmitochondriadysfunction,theycallitaging.Itjusthappens.

Dr.Tami: IfyoutalktoTerryWahls,shebelieveseveryautoimmuneconditionontheplanethasmitochondriadysfunction.

Dave: SodoI.

Dr.Tami: Iagree.

Dave: There’reoneandthesame.Ifit’sautoimmunity,itsmitochondrial.Yourbodyisbasicallyabunchofbacteria.Thesebacteriaarecalledlet’ssee…Thesebacteriaarecalledmitochondria.They’reactuallysourceformitochondria.Thesemitochondriacamefrombacteriahundredsofmillionsofyearsagoandtheystuckintoourcells.That’showwemakeenergyfromtheworldaroundus.

Dr.Tami: Theyhaven’tchangedthatmuch.

Dave: Noandguesswhat’sbeenfightingbacteriasincebackthen?Fungus.There’salwaysafightbetweenfungusandbacteria.That’swhereantibioticscomesfrom.We’vebeenpoisoningourselvesallthistimeandpeoplewhohavethisdysfunction,someoftheelectrons,someoftheenergythat’ssupposedtogointoyourbrain,intoyourcells,intomakingsexhormones,itbasicallyleaksout.It’ssupposedtobefromATPtoADPthenbacktoATP.Ifyou’reintobiochemistrythat’scool,ifnotyou’rebasicallyyouuseATPandwhenit’suseditdoesn’thaveaTanymore.Thenyouhavetoputthatthingbackonthere.

OneoftheproblemsthatwecanhaveisthatitleaksoutanditturnstoAMPandunlessyouhaveanenzymethathelpsyoumakeAMPgobackintothatcycle,it’slikeeverytimethemotorinyourcarturnsover,youspillalittleofgasintoaspecialtankthatyoucarryaroundwithyoubutyoucan’tburnitanymore.Guesswhatcaffeinedoesinlowdoes?Ithelpsyouwiththatproblem.That’swhyIalwaysfeelbetterwhenIhad1cupofcoffeewithoutmoldinit,withfatinit,whenIhadextremeadrenaldysfunction.

Ikeeptellingpeople,“No,1isgood.5isnotgood.2isprobablynotgoodbutitgivesyouyourlifebackalongtheway.”It’ssomeantotakesomeonewho’sjustbarelyputtingonefootinfrontofthereandsaying,“No.Nocoffeeforyoueither.Hereandhavesomechelationtherapyforyourmercuryandjustfeellikeazombieanddon’tgetfiredandbenicetothekids.”

Dr.Tami: Doalivercleanseatthesametime.

Dave: Yeah.It’snotnice.AnywayI’llgooffmysoapboxaboutthat.ThisisoneofMotherNature’soriginalsmartdrugs.Coffee,caffeineandmewe’refriends.


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Dr.Tami: I’mmarriedtoanItalian.There’scoffeeinourhouseinthemorningandthat’swherewecameupwith,“Okayyeahwe’realsogoingtodo…We’vegottoputtheproteininthecoffeebecauseyou’vegotto…”Ifyou’vegotadrenaldysfunction,yougottogetthattherewiththegoodfat.Proteinandgoodfat.Thosearethe2thingsthatyouradrenalsarewantingfirstthinginthemorning,tojustgetasolidgripontheday.

Dave: Haveyouevertriedjustthrowingacoupleouncesofjustgrass-fedbeefliverintheblenderwithit?

Dr.Tami: No.

Dave: Don’t.Don’ttrythat.

Dr.Tami: Haveyoutriedit?

Dave: No.Justdon’t,it’sbad.

Dr.Tami: Ohitsoundsrevolting.Ihaveaquestionforyou.Iknowit’syourinterviewbutwhatdoyouthinkaboutthetheorythatcancerisactuallyafungaloramoldideologythatwhenyouopenanykindoftumor,it’swhite?

Dave: There’sastoundingevidencethatthere’safungalconnectiontocancer.Ibelievethatsometypesofcancerarefungalinfectionsflatout.Youpokethemandtheygrowmore.Infact,thesacfungus…

Dr.Tami: Withabiopsy.

Dave: Yeah,youpokeasacfungusanditspreads.Therearetypesofcancerespeciallybraincancerthatarefungalinfectionsandpeoplewhodomicroscopyandyouknowthisfrommedicalschool.It’sveryhardtotellafungalcellfromahumancellsomeofthetime.

Dr.Tami: Yeah,theyaregreatimitators.That’swhytheresogoodatgettingundetectedbecausethismimicryandsowedon’tseethemveryclearly.Ourcellsarenotcatchingthemasforeign.

Dave: Theyaregreatatmimickingthingsandthat’sbecausethey’vebeenfighting,it’sthebacteriathatwe’rebasedonforalongtime.There’satitfortatthing.Thecoolthingisifyouhaveproperoxidativemetabolismmeansifyourmitochondriarunningatfullpower,cancercan’tliveinit.Iscanceramitochondriadysfunctionorisitafungaldysfunction?Isactuallyboth.Sometypesofcancer,Ibelieve,areflatoutfungalinfectionsothertimesthefungusdamagesthemitochondriasotheycan’tuseoxygeneffectivelysotheygointoanaerobicmodesothenyoustartgettingmitochondriadysfunction.

Dr.Tami: Thenit’sacidicenvironmentandcancercellsthrivethereandyeah.

Dave: HereiswhatI’ddoifIhadanykindofcancer.Immediatelydonotpassgo,I’dgointoketosis.FullonketosisjustlikeIrecommendBulletproofDiet,I’dbeputtinganythingIcouldthatwould


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raiseketonesasmuchIcould.Thatbasicallymeansyoustopeatingsugar.It’snotthatsomekindsofcancercan’teatketones,it’sactuallypossibleatleastcandidacaneatketoneswhichcancontributetocancer.That’sgoingtomakeahugedifferencebecauseitradicallyimprovesyourabilitytomakeenergyandmitochondria.Itshiftstheonesthatareabouttoturnintocancerbackintonon-cancermode.

ThenIwouldbedoingintravenousandrectalozonetherapyallthetimebecauseitchangestheratioofNAD+toNADHinthemitochondria.ThenIwouldbedoingamphotericinborally,whichisareallyhorribleanti-fungaldrugthat’sfamousforcookingyourveinsexceptifyoutakeorallyitdoesn’t.It’sveryhardtogetreally.I’dbepoppingthatstufflikecandy.ThenI’dparty.I’dbeinthesunallthetimebecausethat’sveryimportanttoo.

Dr.Tami: VitaminD,yeah.

Dave: Thatwouldbemypersonalcancerthing.I’dbedoingmyhyperbaricoxygeneverydayandcryotherapyandwhateverelseIcouldfigureout.Thatwouldbethecoreofmyprotocol.DoIthinkallcancerisfungus?No.DoIthinkthere’sanundeniablelink?Yeah.TheguywhopioneeredthatthemostandI’mtotallylecturingbutthisisahottopicforme.

DougKauffmanwasinMoldy,thedocumentarythatIfilmed.Doug’safriendandherunsawebsitecalledKnowtheCause,soifyou’reintocancerandthat’stheoneyou’repayingattentionto,Doug’swrittenbooksaboutit.Theoriginalbookaboutthisthatreallygotmeonmyjourneyonunderstandingmoldwasbyaguywhohadjustdied.A.V.Costantini,17yearsofresearchwiththeWHOwroteaseriesofbookscalledFungalBiotics.WhenIwasfirstfoundoutaboutthis,youcouldn’tbuyittheUS.IcalledhisdaughterinGermanyandshesendmethebookslike500dollarsforthese3books.

It’sthousandsofreferencespointingouttheconnectionbetweenfungusandcancer.Itisundeniable.Heartdiseases,diabetesandcancerallhaveundeniablefungalconnectionsbecausethefungaltoxinsandthefungusthemselves,theydamageyourmitochondria.Whentheygetdamaged,yougeteverydiseaseweknow.

Dr.Tami: Ifindinmydesiretogetwomentohavetheenergyandthebodiesthattheyloveandarehappyandconfidentinandthetestosteronefocusisdirectlycorrelatedwith…WhenIamstuckIgo“Lookformold.”

Dave: Itissocommon.Infact,theoriginaldoctorwhohelpedmefigurethisoutdidn’thavethefullmycotoxinconnectiondownbutafterhelookedatmeforawhile,hesaid,“Dave,likeI’mafunctionalmedicineguy.”Wedidn’tcallitfunctionalmedicinebutthen,he’slike,“Mypatientsgetbetter.”He’slike,“IquitbeinganENTsurgeonatJohnsHopkinsbecausethatdidn’twork.IknowwhatworksisbecauseIneedtodoanAIDStestonyou.Idonotknowwhat’swrongwithyoubutyou’renotgettingbetter.”IwaslivinginamoldyhouseandIdidn’thaveAIDs.IhadnoHIVoranythinglikethatbuthedidfindinamoldallergypanelthatIwasoffthechartsallergicto8ofthetop10mosttoxicmolds.

Dr.Tami: Wellandthat’stheinterestingthing.Therearepeoplewhoactuallymoresensitivetosomeof


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thetoxinsfrommolds.Theydon’tevenhavetoliveinahouse.Theycanjustworkorvisitandtheycanhavetheirsleepdisrupted,theirhormoneproductiondisrupted.Thosearethethingsthatareinmybook.

Dave: Yeahthecanaries.

Dr.Tami: TheseareallthethingsthatIwantedpeople…IfeellikethereneedstobethisawakeningofA,youcanbetheCEOofyourownhealthifyouhavesomegreatinformationandsomeguidanceandthat’swhatourphoneandSkypeappointmentsaretryingtoprovidesomeguidance.Thenfindingthesethings.Moldandadrenalsandnutritionandallofthesethingsthatcanhelprebootourownhormoneproductionbecauseit’spossible.

Dave: Itisindeed.Whichleadstomysecondquestion.

Dr.Tami: Okaybringiton.

Dave: Now,beingformerlyobese,Ihavemanboobs.Ifyou’veeverwatchedmeonYouTube,I’mprettyfitbutwhenIgetinflamed…IfIflyforalongtimeandIdon’ttaketherightsupplementsassoonasIeatthingsorIfindI’minamoldyenvironment,Istillgetinflammation.IcanknockitdownreallyfastwiththesestuffIknow.

Dr.Tami: You’regoodatrecognizingitquickly.

Dave: Ohyeahyoufeelitinmybrain.

Dr.Tami: Wewereatsome,Irememberwewereataoutdoorretreattogetherandyouwerelike,Igottogetsomecharcoal.Therewascabinsremember?

Dave: Iwasfeelingit.Yeah,yeahthecabinswerenotgood.Sometimes…

Dr.Tami: Whenyou’reflyingor…

Dave: ThenextmorningI’llhadmanboobs.Theinflammationhasmerighttherealotwhichisannoying.IrememberImetMarshallGoldsmithonce,he’sareallyfamousbusinessguy.ItisoneofthemoldiesthotelsinSanDiegoI’deverbeeninandIwasonadinnercruiseaswell.ThosecruiseshipsarealwaysmoldyandIwaslike,“Ohmygod.Icouldbarelythinkstraight.”InthepicturesIhavelikeAcups,it’samazing.Thesearen’tverygoodpictureswithMarshallGoldsmith.

MostofthetimeIdon’thavethose.Maybeayearago,IdecidedI’mgoingtotakesomepregnenolone,thishormoneprecursorsomybodycanmakemoretestosteronebecausemylevelsweren’tquitewhereIwantedthem.Itakeitforabout6monthsandIdevelopedsomeaniceroundbuttandmymanboobsgrew.WhyisitthateventhoughIactuallydoallthesestuff,whydoIkeepmakingestrogenoutofallofmyhormonesprecursors.Whyisn’tmytestosteroneeventhoughI’mnotobeseanymore,whydoesmytestosteronekeepgoingtoestrogen?


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Dr.Tami: Wellyourassumingthattheenzymethattakestestosteroneintoestrogenisonlyinfat.

Dave: It’sobviouslymyliver.

Dr.Tami: You’renotfatanymoresowhyisitstillhappening?It’snotjustinyourfat.

Dave: Dammit.

Dr.Tami: Iknow.Youshouldhavepickedyourparentsbetter.

Dave: It’scalledaromatase.Thisenzymethatthisiswhatconvertstestosteronetoestrogen.

Dr.Tami: Sometimeswestartwithnutrition.There’ssimplethingslikerosemarythatcanactuallyinhibitthearomataseactivity.

Dave: That’sinteresting.

Dr.Tami: Sometimesweactuallyhavetogoallthewayuptoaprescriptiondrugbecauseestrogeninamanisbadnews.

Dave: True.

Dr.Tami: It’snotjustcosmeticallybadnews,it’sactually…

Dave: It’sbadforyou.

Dr.Tami: Softlyincreased,there’ssomeearlystudiesthatgo,thismightbewiththeproblemwithprostatecancer.It’snotatestosteronething,it’sanestrogenthing.

Dave: WhatIusedtodowhenIwasinmylate20sandItooktestosteronebecausemyLHFSHdroppedorwereoff.IwouldtaketestosteroneandthenIwouldtakeArimidexwhichprevents…

Dr.Tami: That’stheprescriptionthatIwastalkingaboutbutyouknowyouhavetobecareful.Iusethatattheend.Thestudies,there’sagreatstudyoutofagreaturologist.Aurologistisstudyingthisstuffandthenthestudygotburied.ThestudyshowedthatArimidexactuallyifyougetprostatecancer,ifyou’retakingorhavetakenArimidex,itcanbemoreaggressivetypesoIleaveitespeciallyifyou’reAfrican-American.

Dave: Yeah.Interesting.

Dr.Tami: Ileaveituntiltheendbecauseestrogenisfarworsethanthisremotesmallincreasedrisk.Youreallywanttoknowsomuchbutthat’sdefinitelytheendsolutionandIdon’tknowanybodywhodoesn’thavethatwork.

Dave: YeahArimidexdefinitelyworks.IstarteddoingArimidex-


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Dr.Tami: Didyoudoitliketwiceaweek?

Dave: YeahIforgetthedose.

Dr.Tami: It’sonemilligram.

Dave: Itcanmakeonefeelabitdizzybutitseemslikeit’sworthdoing.IuseditforyearsandIquit

usingitaroundArimidexalongtimebecauseitdidn’thavemucharomatization.SomeoftheotherBulletprooftechniquesI’vewrittenaboutforpreventingthatweredefinitelyworkingbuttheyweren’tworkingwhenIwastakingpregnenolonethat’sforsurebecauseI’mlike,“WellIgotjunkinthetrunk.”Itwasaverydefinitiveshift.InoticeditatfirstthankstoamutualfriendofoursJ.J.Virgin.Oneofmy-

Dr.Tami: Shedoesnotholdanythingback.Shetoldmeaboutyourjunkinyourtrunk.

Dave: Wellyeahit’smoremythighs.OneofmylifetimegoalswastofatshamedbyJ.J.Virginandsowe’resittingthereataconferencethereonceandJ.J.andIaredearfriendsandshelooksatmylegandshegoes,“Youhavefatthighs.”ShegrabsmythighandI’mlike,“Actuallymythighsarefatterthantheyusedtobe.Whatthehell.”Ilookedatmyhormonelevelsandokaythepregnenoloneisnotworking.Thisisbiohackingright.

Dr.Tami: Itisandthereisanupsidetopregnenoloneandthere’sadownsidebecausewhatpregnenoloneis,isit’spouringatthetopofthefunnelandthenallthedysfunctionthatyounaturallyhavehasmorevolume.Ifyouhaveatendencytotakeyourtestosteroneandmakeitintoestrogenandyou’retakingpregnenolone,thenyou’regoingtogomorethatdirection.Itmightbebetterjusttotaketestosterone.

Dave: Yeah.I’mmoreangledinthatdirectionnow.It’sfascinatingbecausethey’reabunchofguyslisteningtothisrecording.ThatwasareallylongwindingexplanationandwhatI’msayingthereis,ifyou’reoverprobably35,youmightwanttogetyourselftestedandifyourtestosteronelevelsarenotwhereyouwantthemandthingslikeeatingrightanddoingallkindofexercisedon’twork,ifyouwanttoliveto180likemygoal,youmightconsiderusingtestosterone.It’sjustagoodidea.Yourqualityoflifewillgoupevenifyoudon’taddaminutetoyourlife.You’llhavemoreenergy.You’llhavebettersex.You’llhaveazestforlife,yourbrainworksbetter.It’sallgood.

Dr.Tami: Formen,decreasedriskofAlzheimer’s.

Dave: Ohyeahthatlittlething.WeirdthingisifyougetAlzheimer’swhenyouroldatleastyouwon’trememberthatyouhadbadsexallthetimebecauseyoudidn’thavetestosterone.

Dr.Tami: That’struebutIdonotintendonkeepingmypatientsaliveandnothaveabraintoenjoyit.

Dave: Ido,basically,weknownow.Ifyouhaveketonespresent,you’reprobablynotgoingtogetAlzheimer’sdisease.Ibelieveverywhollyinacyclicalketosisdiet.BulletproofDietisjusta


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gluco-ketosisdiet.Ifyouhaveketonesalotofthetime,yourchancesofAlzheimer’sgodownsodramatically.

Dr.Tami: WellwecallAlzheimer’sDiabetestype3,it’sallaboutinflammationandsugarandprocessedfoods.Yeah.

Dave: Well,wetalkedaboutallsortsofcoolstuffandwe’reupontheendoftheinterviewandIknowthat.Ijustlookedatmyclockhereit’s3:57.Tami,thankyouformakingallthewayupheretoBulletproofLabsAlphahereonIslandtodoaliveinterview.It’sbeenalotoffun.Wherecanpeoplefindoutmoreaboutyourbookandalltheotherstuffyou’reworkingonandkeepinginmindyoucanseeherattheconference.AsidefromcomingtoBulletproofConferenceandbuyingaticketrightnowtoseeDr.Tami,tellmewherepeoplefindyou.

Dr.Tami: Drtami.com.DRTAMIandwe’regoingtohaveourbigpre-launchforthepaperbackstartinginNovemberandthroughDecemberandJanuary.Ourgoalistohaveover300-dollars’-worthoffreebonusesthatarejustgoingtoblesspeople’slivesandrocktheirhealthsothatbuyingapaperbackislikeyeah,yeahIgetabooktoo.

Dave: How’sthatgoingtowork?Whenyoubuythebook,howdoyouknowtheyboughtthebooktogivethem300-dollars’-worthofcoolstuff.

Dr.Tami: Wellthere’sfancyreceipttrackersandyoucantakeapictureofyourreceiptwithyourphone,emailit.

Dave: Theyjustsendyouthereceipt,cool.

Dr.Tami: Yeah,wewanttomakeiteasy.WhatIreallywanttodoisIwanttogetpeoplenotjustgettingtheirownlivesbutwomen,Ibelieve,nooffensetomenbutIbelievethatwomenaregoingtobetheonesthatchangetheworld.Womenmakedecisionsthataffecttheirhealthwhichinturnmakedecisionsthataffectthefamily’shealthandthefamily’shealthaffectsthecommunityandthecommunityaffects…It’sjustisthisbigrippleandwecan’tmakepositivechangewhenwefeellikecrap.

Dave: Here’sthedealandIwouldsupportwhatyou’resayingthere.Ifwomengettheirhormonesundercontrolandparticularhaveenoughtestosterone,menlikeitanywaysoit’sallgood.

Dr.Tami: Everybodybenefitsabsolutely.Wethoughtorganicfoodwasthetrendylittlethingbutwechangedtheentireeconomybasedonourdecisions.That’swhatIwanttodo.Iwanttocreateahormonerevolutionsodon’tjustbuyabookforyou,buy3,itspaperbackforgoodnesssake.It’slessthan20dollarsandhanditoutandgetpeopleexcited.TheycanlogintoBulletproofandlistentoyourpodcastsandtheresomuchgreatinformationthatyoucanbetheCEOofyourownhealth.

Dave: JustonemorethingIwanttoaddinthere,ifyou’reaguy,buythisbookforthewomen.Yourlife…


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Dr.Tami: Actuallytheprotocolsarethesameforthemen.Wejustwroteitinafemalevoicebecauseit’sSimonandSchustersoit’sexactlythesameforthemen.

Dave: Totallybuthere’sthedeal.Alowtestosteronehasaprofoundeffectonguysbutifyoursignificantotherhaslowtestosteronetheeffectonyouisevenworsethanyouhavinglowtestosterone.

Dr.Tami: Amen.

Dave: I’mjustsayingthewomaninyourlifeneedstestosteronebeforeyougetitbecausethenyou’llgetit.DidIsaythatright?

Dr.Tami: Ithinkso.

Dave: Anyway,that’swhythismattersforeveryonelistening.Thisisn’tjustawomanthingyourbookistargetedatwomen-

Dr.Tami: Onlybecausewomenbuymorebooksandtheprotocolisthesameformenandwomen.40%ofmypatientsaremen.

Dave: Yeahandwhenyouaskpeoplejustarandomsetofmenandwomanwhat’stheproblem,energyandcravings,womenareactuallyhavingmoreenergyproblemsthanmen.Itcomesdowntohormones.Ifyou’rehavingrelationshipissuesandIdon’tknowhowmanynewparents…Allofmyfriendswhentheirnewparentsgothroughthistimewhenit’slike,”YouknowIrememberweusedtohaveasexlife,weusedtohaveadatinglife.”

Dr.Tami: Weusedtotalk.

Dave: Yeahandoneofuswasn’ttiredallthetimeandallthat.It’sactuallyhormonal.It’salsomitochondrial,they’reenergyissuestherewetalkedabout.Thisbookcanabsolutelychangethatandwetalkedabout…Howlongdoesittakeforpeopletorespondtosayathyroidandtestosterone,itwas?

Dr.Tami: Itcouldbelessthanaweek.

Dave: Lessthanaweek.

Dr.Tami: Orupto3months.There’sa30-dayplaninthebooktojustactuallyrebootallofthatsothatit’snotgoingtobeapeak,it’sgoingtobesustained.

Dave: Here’sagoodwaytoputit.Ifyouareseeingarelationshiptherapistandyouarenotbothusingtestosterone,you’rewastingmoney.DidIsaythat?

Dr.Tami: Ihaveanumberofsextherapistsinthecitywhoreferpatientstomebecauseifyoudon’thavegasforaLamborghinitheLamborghiniisnotgoing.


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Dave: Yup.That’swhatitcomesdownto.That’swhyI’mahugefanofhormonesandchangingmyhormoneschangedmylife.GavemealotofcontrolbackformmybiologyandI’veseenitworkincountlessclientsandjustpeoplewhopostonFacebookandallthat.

Dr.Tami: Oneofourbonusesforourbook,TheHormoneSecretlaunchforthepaperback,youmaynotevenknowthisbecauseyouhavesuchanexpanseintheimpactthatyoumakebutwearegoingtogetsomeBulletproofrecipesthathavenotbeenpublishedbeforethatarehormonefocusedasawardedbonuses.

Dave: Ohcoolyeahwedoarecipeguideforyou.Infact,Idoknowaboutthatbecauseyouseethekitchenrightbacktherebehindthecamera,that’sactuallywhereIdevelopthoserecipes.

Dr.Tami: Myfavoritearugulachocolate.

Dave: Ohthechocolatepearsalad?Isthatlegit?

Dr.Tami: Ohmygosh.

Dave: Thatseemsgood.Ilovethatsalad,yeah.

Dr.Tami: It’ssoamazing.It’smysignaturesaladnow,youdidn’tknowthat?

Dave: Youcanhaveit.

Dr.Tami: Idogiveyoucredit.

Dave: Iappreciateit.WeservedthatatthelastBulletproofConference…

Dr.Tami: Yeah,atourdinner.

Dave: …andsomeoftherestaurants.Yeah.Man,here’ssomethingaboutthatIdon’tknowwhatitis.

Dr.Tami: Itsspecial.Likeyou.Thankyouforhavingme.

Dave: 2thanksDr.Tami.Thanksforbeingonandifyouenjoyedtheshow,here’swhattodo.Goandbuyacopyor2ofDr.Tami’sbookandwhileyou’reatit,keepdrinkingBulletproofCoffeeandmaybetryoneofthe3newroaststhatwehave,wehavetheOriginalroast,wehaveFrenchCakewhichisdarkbutnotburnedandwehavetheMentalistwhichismynewfavoritethat’sslightlydarkerthanwhatwehavenow,theoriginalandit’sjustfantastic.

Trythedifferentflavorsandcomeseeusattheconference.HangoutwithDr.Tami,hangoutwithme,hangoutwithabout3,000otherpeoplewhototallyfollowthisconversationandareinterested.Peoplewillteachyouthingsandpeopleyou’llprobablywanttostayintouchwithanyway.Jointhecommunity,meetsomecoolpeople,hearfromworldclasspeopletalkingabouthormones,mitochondria,energy.


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Dr.Tami: Stemcells.

Dave: AlbertoVilloldo,stemcells.Allthegoodstuffandthenwhenyou’redonegetsomefattakenoutandinjectthosestemcellsandyou’llbesuperhumanbeforeyouknowit.Haveanawesomeafternoon.DidyouknowthatBulletproofisonInstagram?YoucanfindusatBulletproofCoffeeormypersonalfeedisDave.Asprey.hopetoseeyouthere.

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