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The story of a man in a rowing boat trying to slow down an oil tanker
Paul Moore, Former Head of Regulatory Risk HBOS plc
9th February 2010
Professional Risk Managers International Association
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BBC Newsnight clip 11th February 2009
A bit about me
A bit more about the whole story
The RiskMinds 2009 Risk Managers Survey key findings
Discussion – what have we learned and what should we
do about it?
Some final thoughts - if we have time
Advice to those who speak up to “group think” – people who
helped me
Personal observations on financial crisis
Agenda
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Barrister & one of UK’s leading risk, governance & regulatory
specialists.
Over twenty four years experience in industry and professional
services
2007 - Today- Telecoms, Consultancy & Charity work.
2005 – 2006 - Head of Compliance EMEA Marsh Ltd
2002 - 2005 - Head of Group Regulatory Risk, HBOS
1995 – 2002 - Partner KPMG, London
1984 – 1994 – In house lawyer in financial services
Other – Joe Simpson, hang gliding, motorcycling, sailed across Pacific.
Risk management is not about not taking them!
F1 is less risky than angling!
A bit about me
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Actually blew whistle twice – first time failed
Second time - Email to Danny Savage BBC News – 16th Sept 08
“I think that..the time may now have come when someone who has been
there / done it / and wears the T shirt (“I was a Senior Risk & Compliance
Officer who was fired for trying to slow down a bank”) speaks out again on
what has gone wrong in the financial system and what needs to be done to
make sure it does not happen again.”
Motivation was policy change not revenge or celebrity.
Money Programme – 30th October 2008 – rowing boat analogy.
A bit more about the HBOS story
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I gave initial evidence to UK Treasury Select Committee 10th Feb
09.
Key extracts from my evidence:-
Sales culture markedly out of balance with control systems.
Cultural indisposition to challenge
Sub-prime risks obvious to anyone.
Underlying cause inadequate separation and balance of powers.
Process, framework and structure without the right culture will fail.
Emperor’s new clothes, lemmings and pied pipers!
Key points from my evidence
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“...I certainly knew that the bank was going too fast (and told
them), had a cultural indisposition to challenge (and told
them) and was a serious risk to financial stability...(and told
them)
“I told the Board to slow down and ....that their sales culture
was significantly out of balance with their systems and
controls.”
“That ...very careful consideration should be given ...as to
exactly what level of sales growth is achievable, given current
capacity, without putting customers and colleagues at risk.”
I reported that the sales culture was out of balance
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“..even non-bankers with no “credit risk management”
expertise...would have known that there must have been a
very high risk if you lend money to people who have no jobs,
no provable income and no assets....
You simply don’t need to be an economic rocket scientist or
mathematical financial risk management specialist to know
this. You just need common sense.
Sub-prime risks
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In simple terms this crisis was caused....because there has
been a completely inadequate “separation” and “balance of
powers” between the executive and all those accountable for
overseeing their actions and “reining them in”
i.e. internal control functions such as finance, risk, compliance
and internal audit, non-executive Chairmen and Directors,
external auditors, The FSA, shareholders and politicians.
Inadequate separation and balance of powers
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The most important point I made:-
“There is no doubt that you can have the best governance
processes in the world but if they are carried out in a culture
of greed, unethical behaviour and indisposition to challenge,
they will fail.
Process without the right culture will fail
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To mix a few well known similes / metaphors / stories, the current
financial crisis is a bit like the story of the Emperor’s new clothes.
Anyone whose eyes were not blinded by money, power and pride
(Hubris) who really looked carefully knew there was something...
But sadly, no-one wanted or felt able to speak up for fear of
stepping out of line with the rest of the lemmings who were busy
organising themselves to run over the edge of the cliff behind the
pied piper CEOs and executive teams that were being paid so
much to play that tune and take them in that direction.
Emperor’s new clothes, lemmings & pied pipers!
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Head of Risk in Halifax...verbatim:-
"Leadership and focus on risk matters has had no priority....Sales are regarded as
more important than anything else“
“risk management not seen as a core business imperative or competence....and you
know they are animals around here..”
“Whacker” (CF Dick Fuld, Lehman “Gorilla”)
Charles Dunstone - two stories
Reprimands by boss for raising cultural indisposition to challenge
Refusal to record proper minutes of Bd Mtg and tabling full report.
“Made redundant” by Crosby – on his own with no HR rep.
Replaced by sales manager appointed as Group Risk Director.....and
Some of the key evidence that supported my views
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Courage - Never backs away from an opportunity to
demonstrate personal courage
Key behaviours
Taking courageous decisions even when they may result in criticism or
unpopularity
Standing up for beliefs in the face of opposition from colleagues
Saying what needs to be said when others are hold back from expressing real
feelings
Putting yourself on the line in taking responsibility for making tough decisions
Meeting colleagues in other work areas to talk openly and honestly about the
real issues
HBOS competence framework for top leaders?
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10th Feb – London Evening Standard front page
“sunk?”
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Evening Standard 10th Feb inside
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Sir James Crosby resigned as Deputy Chair of FSA.
Crosby and FSA denied my allegations and relied on KPMG
report
Brown, Cameron, Osborne, Vincent Cable called for
investigation....
I stood firm, confident and calm. I did countless media
interviews.
FT story – “They would say that wouldn’t they?”
After vociferous denials by Crosby and FSA....Total silence!
But no investigation.
What happened next?
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Daily Mail – 14th Feb 09
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Sunday Telegraph main story – 15th Feb 09
Me with the whistle!
Sir James Crosby
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Independent on Sunday – front page – 15 Feb 09
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Failure of Management
”Bankers have made an astonishing mess of the financial system....
Banks have failed because those leading and managing them
failed.”
Failure of risk management
“The current crisis has exposed significant shortcomings in the
governance and risk management of regulated firms.”
Key conclusions of Treasury Select Committee / FSA
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Failure of governance by non-executives
“[Banks’] corporate governance was often totally ineffective. The
evidence shows that many non-executive directors failed to act as an
effective check on, and challenge to, executive managers.” “..non-
executive directors have operated as members of a ‘cosy club’”
“...the necessary challenge was missing from governance structures, in
particular boards.... Evidence from the current crisis indicates that
some NEDs have struggled to fulfil their role of providing strong
independent oversight of the executive management.”
Failure of the supervisory system i.e. The FSA
But the FSA’s regulatory and supervisory approach, before the current
crisis ...was not with hindsight aggressive enough...
“[this] was ...also [a failure] of the supervisory system”
Key conclusions of Treasury Select Committee / FSA
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615 responses.
Independently analysed by Cranfield
The responses come from around the globe number as follows:-
UK – 43%
US/ Canada – 10%
Mainland EU – 14%
Rest of the world – 17%
47% over 10 yrs experience; 30% senior managers.
Bankers 25%; asset managers 6.6%; insurance 11%;
combination 20%; other sector 22%.
RiskMinds 2009 Risk Managers Survey
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Most important causes greed, remuneration, failures in risk
management
Majority saw the crisis coming well in advance.
The risks were reported but the executive prioritised sales.....
Because they were paid to.
Cultures inhibited effective challenge....(i.e. unethical cultures).....
Crisis not caused by global circumstances beyond anyone’s
control
Big majority held executive accountable; not regulators or
governments.
Not surprising as they said they saw the risks and reported them!
Key findings
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Culture (ethics) is most important area for change.
Capability of non-exec, regulators & line managers in risk is very
low.
Focus for regulatory change should be:-
Global harmonisation, more prescription on credit and liquidity risk
More specific standards on effective risk management
Supervision of culture and ethics
Rigorous supervision of the effectiveness of internal risk management.
Higher calibre personnel in the regulators
Regulators should be accountable in law for their failures
There should have been a through enquiry to inform policy review.
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The culture and values are the key – must be led from THE TOP
Openness, ethics and excellence not fear, blame and excessive pride.
Cultural disposition to challenge “group think” is key.
“Never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion” - Eisenhower
Introduce ethical decision making framework. Train everyone.
Each key document to contain - “Ethical considerations taken into
account”
Rigorously & independently check their culture & ethics regularly
Note “Self serving statements without corroboration bear no
weight”
Performance management system aligned to cultural requirement.
Key lessons from my story and survey
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“Development is impossible without upright men and women,
without financiers and politicians whose consciences are finely
attuned to the requirements of the common good.
Both professional competence and moral consistency are
necessary.
When technology is allowed to take over, the result is confusion
between ends and means, such that the sole criterion for action
in business is thought to be the maximization of profit, in politics
the consolidation of power, and in science the findings of
research.”
An interesting observation on culture
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The people dimension is more important than structure and
process:-
Much more competence, independence, integrity and diversity of non
execs.
Risk management and compliance needs to be professionalised
Its not about forms & technical knowledge; its about ethics and
excellence.
Higher calibre personnel advising on risk, compliance and internal audit.
Key non technical competencies are:-
Deep understanding of the business
Relationship management and influencing skills are key
Giving “confident & understandable advice & assurance”
The people dimension
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Competencies for risk & compliance professionals
Client focus
Being passionately client focused in dealings with stakeholders
Technical excellence
Demonstrates technical excellence at all times in their own area of risk /
compliance specialism
Outstanding judgementUsing a fine-tuned balance of all aspects
of knowledge, experience and understanding to solve problems
Creativity
Exploring all options… thinking ‘out-of-the-box’; breaking new ground in
exercising judgement
Integrity and courage
Demonstrating personal courage, independence and honesty in exercising judgement and giving advice – leading a
culture of openness
Understanding the business
Developing a deep understanding of our clients’ businesses, the risks they
face and the needs of their stakeholders
Managing relationships
Establishing and maintaining relationships with clients so as to
become their ‘trusted adviser’
Giving advice and assurance
Providing clients with confident and understandable advice and assurance
which demonstrates a passionate dedication to technical excellence
Functional Profile Functional DNA
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Leadership & Competence Framework
Facilitates discussions and identifies common ground and
differences to arrive at sustainable relationships
Uses questioning & clarifying techniques to understand views,
attitudes and requirements
Establishes trust by enabling others to express their emotions
and views and respects these
Negotiates purposeful agreements that meet the needs
of all stakeholders
Continuously checks expectations and purpose and
encourages ongoing participation to share the
responsibility for risk
Gains support for ideas from businesses & others by relating
the benefits directly to their interests and needs
Uses powers of persuasion rather than veto
Uses a broad range of risk management knowledge,
experience and tools to advise and assure the business
Links information, knowledge and experience to form ideas so that an
event, problem or issue is fully understood
Steps back from a situation to see the ‘bigger picture’
Helps others to develop broader thinking and to consider the wider consequences of their requests or
decisions
Proposes and evaluates alternative solutions and different ways of
solving a problem before making a decision
Encourages others to generate and evaluate options and to explore
different perspectives others have on these options
By comparing options generates new and creative solutions to meet
different situations
Is visible and credible and demonstrates value; is clear about
own position on issues and can clearly describe the services of the
department to its stakeholders
Inspires confidence in business colleagues and other stakeholders
that risk is being identified and managed effectively
Demonstrates broad and deep understanding about general
business issues and challenges
Digs deep to obtain information and understanding about the business and markets of our
clients
Identifies and gathers information about the clients’ people and stakeholders; their
perspectives, needs and expectations
Understands the risks and appropriateness of the control
framework within the businesses
Gathers information from a variety of internal and external and/or new sources and puts it
into context
Understands issues and exercises judgement having
regard to the businesses’ points of view
Understanding the business Managing relationships Giving advice and assurance
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Points on structure, process & framework
If you want someone to do “A” pay them to do “A”.
A new lead non-executive accountable for “Oversight, Assurance
and Ethics”
Control functions to report formally to this non-exec.
An annual risk based, detailed programme of oversight and
assurance.
“Self serving statements without corroboration bear no weight”
Formal protections for risk, compliance & internal audit managers.
Better whistleblowing procedures for rest of staff see specific slide
Structure, process and framework
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And, of course, the strategy must be aligned
Business models that focused on sales and growth to the exclusion
of controls i.e. risk management, governance and compliance will
lead to crisis.
And so.......................all elements must be aligned.
Strategy
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PEOPLE•Skills
•Knowledge
•Competence
•Commitment
CULTURE•Vision
• Values / ethics
•Management style
•Operating principles
STRUCTURE•Architecture / framework
•Functional analysis
•Organisational design
•Processes and controls
STRATEGY•The road-map
•Broad objectives
•The overall context
Leadership
‘systems thinking’ – the key elements must align
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“We only grow by taking risks, and the most difficult risk
of all is to be honest with ourselves and others. Rick
Warren
You get transformed by trouble” Rick Warren
“Well, If I lose my reputation, at least that will be one
less thing for me to worry about” Blessed Mother Theresa
“The truth will set you free” Jesus
Advice to those who speak up to “group think”
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Our leaders are the high priests of Mammon & Me:-
Me, more, now. Lend, lend, lend; buy, buy, buy.
“Take the waiting out of the wanting”
“You’re worth it”
In this mess there is a message of Hope.
Money itself is not the problem. The love of money is the problem.
Move from GDP (GmeP!) to GQualityP (GyouP!)
Politics should not about left or right but about right or
wrong.
Private funding of political parties gives the rich and powerful
too much say.
Some personal observations on the financial crisis