the bible said it, i believe it, - dallas theological seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20...
TRANSCRIPT
![Page 1: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/1.jpg)
![Page 2: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/2.jpg)
The Bible said it, �I believe it, �
that settles it!
![Page 3: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/3.jpg)
Four Questions to Answer
• How many textual variants are there? • What kinds of textual variations are there? • What theological beliefs depend on
textually suspect passages?
• Is what we have now what they wrote then?
![Page 4: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/4.jpg)
Preliminary Question:�Don’t we have the original New
Testament any more?
![Page 5: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/5.jpg)
Number of Variants
What is a textual variant? Any place among the manuscripts in which there is variation in wording, including word order, omission or addition of words, even spelling differences
![Page 6: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/6.jpg)
The Quantity of Variants
Textual Variants: c. 400,000
Greek NT: c. 140,000
![Page 7: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/7.jpg)
The reason we have a lot of textual variants is that we have a lot of manuscripts.
![Page 8: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/8.jpg)
Richard Bentley, Remarks upon a Discourse of Free Thinking
“If there had been but one manuscript of the Greek Testament at the restoration of learning about two centuries ago, then we [would have] had no various readings at all. … And would the text be in a better condition then, than now [that] we have 30,000 [variant readings]? It is good, therefore… to have more anchors than one; and another MS. to join the first would give more authority, as well as security.”
![Page 9: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/9.jpg)
An Embarrassment �of Riches
" Greek manuscripts: 5600+
" Latin manuscripts: 10,000+
" Other ancient versions: 5000–10,000
" Quotations from the New Testament by church fathers: over 1 million
![Page 10: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/10.jpg)
The NT compared to the �average classical work
✦ The average classical Greek writer has less than 20 copies of his works still in existence.
✦ Stack them up, and they’re 4 �feet high.
![Page 11: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/11.jpg)
The NT compared to the average classical work
average classical work New Testament
![Page 12: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/12.jpg)
The NT compared to the average classical work
average classical work New Testament
![Page 13: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/13.jpg)
The NT compared to the average classical work
average classical work New Testament
![Page 14: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/14.jpg)
The NT compared to the average classical work
average New Testament class. work
![Page 15: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/15.jpg)
average New Testament class. work
The NT compared to the average classical work
![Page 16: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/16.jpg)
average class. work New Testament
The NT compared to the average classical work
![Page 17: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/17.jpg)
Greco-Roman historians and biographers
★ Pliny the Elder: 700 years
★ Plutarch: 800 years
★ Josephus: 800 years
★ Polybius: 1200 years
★ Pausanias: 1400 years
★ Herodotus: 1500 years
★ Xenophon: 1800 years
![Page 18: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/18.jpg)
The Date of NT MSS
The Discovery of P52
![Page 19: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/19.jpg)
An ounce of evidence is worth a pound of presumption!
![Page 20: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/20.jpg)
Earliest NT � manuscript?
" P52 was the earliest NT manuscript
" Now, Luke fragment may be just as early
" And a fragment from Mark... probably from first century AD
![Page 21: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/21.jpg)
Has the Bible been translated and retranslated so many times that we don’t know what it originally said?
Year number of Greek manuscripts Earliest manuscripts
1611 (KJV) 7 11th century
2012 5600+ 2nd century; 1st century?
![Page 22: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/22.jpg)
The bottom line
As time goes on, we are getting closer and closer to the original text.
![Page 23: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/23.jpg)
The Quality of variants: What kinds of variants are there?
✦ 99% make virtually no difference at all.
✦ For example: ✦ differences in spellign ✦ differences in spelling
![Page 24: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/24.jpg)
✦ The smallest group of variants:
✦ Meaningful and viable (good chance of being authentic)
✦ Less than 1% of all textual variants fit this group.
![Page 25: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/25.jpg)
Revelation 13.18—“Let the one who has insight calculate the beast’s number, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.”
![Page 26: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/26.jpg)
What theological beliefs depend on textually suspect passages?
![Page 27: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/27.jpg)
“My dear,” Teabing declared, “until that moment in history, Jesus was viewed by His followers as a mortal prophet . . . A great and powerful man, but a man nonetheless. A mortal.”
![Page 28: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/28.jpg)
An ounce of evidence is worth a pound of presumption.
![Page 29: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/29.jpg)
P66 (c. AD 175)
![Page 30: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/30.jpg)
Bart Ehrman, Misquoting Jesus
“Why do you believe these core tenets of Christian orthodoxy to be in jeopardy based on the scribal errors you discovered in the biblical manuscripts?”
![Page 31: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/31.jpg)
Ehrman’s response:
“Essential Christian beliefs are not affected by textual variants in the manuscript tradition of the New Testament.”
![Page 32: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/32.jpg)
Unnatural Segue... " Polar bear attacks man in Canada
and bystanders do nothing.
" The media did not even report this incident!
![Page 33: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/33.jpg)
![Page 34: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/34.jpg)
Is What We Have Now What They Wrote Then?
In all particulars? Probably not. But in all essentials? Absolutely.
![Page 35: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/35.jpg)
No essential Christian belief is jeopardized by any viable variant.
![Page 36: The Bible said it, I believe it, - Dallas Theological Seminary · 2018-06-18 · less than 20 copies of his works still in existence. ... ★ Josephus: 800 years ... “Essential](https://reader033.vdocuments.us/reader033/viewer/2022060305/5f093b4d7e708231d425d96d/html5/thumbnails/36.jpg)