A Message from the President….. I am currently writing this message as we are being

pounded with a nasty nor’easter. The board hopes that

everyone is safe and well from the hurricane that pounded

us last week. And everyone weathers this new storm.

Collection of 2013 dues has begun. Nominations for

Club Officers will be open, again, this month and voting will

take place.

Call for Show and Tell. Please bring Show and Tell

items to the membership meetings. It gives everyone a

chance to see what others are working on. Also, if anyone

has any tips or hints or anything that would be of interest,

please submit ideas and articles to Lionel. Remember, it’s

your club guys and girls. We have many skilled modelers

and accomplished pilots that can offer a helping hand or

assistance to new modelers.

Our new airplane hunter has located and recovered 2

wrecks last week. We will be auctioning them off at the

November meeting. After all, finders keepers, losers

weepers, right? (ESPECIALLY since NO AMA OR AD-

DRESS/PHONE NUMBER was in or on the aircraft as

The AltitudeThe Altitude Published by the Long Island Aero Radio Society Volume 21, Issue 11 November 2012

AMA CHARTERED CLUB #454 SINCE 1964

President:: Steve Siedlecki 631 654-8753 V. Pres: Jim Milligan 516 805-3177 Secretary: Fred Backhaus 631 987-7122 Treasurer: Nick Miceli 631 289-9138 450 Waverly Ave. Suite 9, Patchogue, NY 11772

Use this address to correspond with the Treasurer

Board: Andy King 631 399-5828 Board: Tom Tyler 631 475-8856 Board: John Calo 631 289-1093 Field Permits: Nick Miceli 631 289-9823

Editor: Lionel Bernstein 631 589-1758 Proof Reader: Ruby Bernstein

Video Librarian:: Roger Bossert 631 589-3667

Safety Coordinators: Andy King 631 399-5828

Tom Calcagno 631 669-7137

Field Committee: James Kinsella 631 803-6666

Don Ferguson 631 484-1939

Guest Observer: Avey Shaw 631 271-0145

Next meeting at: LIARS CLUB MEETING HALL Bring money for Holiday Party November 8, 2012 at 8:00 P.M. L.I.A.R.S. Club Website: http://WWW.LIARSRC.COM (see website for directions)

“2012 NEAT FAIR”, A very successful event. see pages 9 to 10

per AMA requirements.) So, we really have no way of proving

whose aircraft they are. We will auction the parts to the highest

bidder. Bring cash. Just kidding! But seriously, ALL AIRCRAFT

MUST HAVE AMA OR NAME/ADDRESS/PHONE NUMBER.

Our annual Holiday party will be held at The Ramada Plaza,

Holtsville. The cost will be $25.00 per person and for spouse or,

significant other. We were able to negotiate a better price as to

hopefully attract more members. This year’s cost to members is

almost half of last year’s. To sweeten the deal, the Hotel threw

in 2 prizes for the Raffle. A night’s stay for 2 and a Dinner for 2

at the Yogi’s Sports Bar. We will have our usual Door prize raf-

fle and a Radio raffle. The date will be Sunday, December 16,

2012, from 2pm to 5pm. Money will be collected at meetings or

can be mailed to Nick Miceli. December 1st will be the cutoff

date for money collected. Please call or e-mail if you would like

to attend so we can get an idea of how many are attending.

Be safe, be well!

Steve Siedlecki, LIARS CLUB PRESIDENT

LIARS “Show and Tel l” General Meet ing

October 11 ,2012 Pictures by Paul Pryor

The Aircraft Video Screening Room The Aircraft Video Screening Room The Aircraft Video Screening Room

This page will be used to alert you to interesting aviation related pictures or videos. Click on them to activate or copy and paste. Turn up the volume and switch to HD if available and enjoy…..

The new Boeing Phantom Eye Aircraft

http://bcove.me/ddb0bode

YOU'VE GOT TO WATCH THIS HALF TIME SHOW !! ( ARMED FORCES SALUTE )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjPmmCtHmfE

Whether you're past or present aircrew, you will certainly dig this great flying machine. Let it shake, rattle and roll!!... Turn up the volume and let her rip, click on this...

Select High Definition for a cool picture

http://player.vimeo.com/video/48642618 Dogfights of the past, present and future.

This is long (1 hour and a half) but it covers everything up to fighting in outer space.

http://youtu.be/vnUwxDhE1kU

Farewell Flight of the Space Shuttle This is very long, 15:11 minutes, but the videography is outstanding.

The audio is comms between the shuttle lift aircraft, the escort aircraft, and the local control towers. This is a beautiful video that should be seen in HD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVPNDhOWutk&feature=colike

National Naval Air Museum, Pensacola, Fl. 2008 Over 150 clear, bright pictures of every Navy Airplane you can think of.

http://www.cdsg.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=337

Whitman Fliers Float-Fly Lake Ronkonkoma, NY

October 6, 2012 pictures by Wayne Johnson

If you have never flown off of water, then, you are missing an experience that just about completes the different types of air-craft one may fly. Flying off a runway or a freshly mowed field doesn't present the missing variable of the ground being unsta-ble. The water of a lake, pond or flowing creek can be in many different states of equilibrium and it is up to the pilot to com-pensate for these conditions when taking off and landing. Plus, the thrill of seeing the pontoons cutting through the water, accents the take-off and the landing. Of course, one must be prepared for the inevitable crash landing and the special preparations you must take, like a man in a canoe, to recover your model and the possibility of water get-ting into your models interior. Once you have mastered the take-off and landing, the rest is easy. But, that’s pretty much how it is with any flight..

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by Avey Shaw

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In the observation seat

Summer is over so I’d like to reminisce. One event stands out in my mind and that was when Sal Calvagna officiated giving instructions at the pilots’ meeting before commencing flying at the Skyhawks June 2012 Open War-Birds Fly-in. It was one of those days when the sky was blue, the sun warmed your back and the breeze, well, if you were not flying, was invigorating. The turn-out was outstanding. The aircraft that flew, as well as those that did not, were truly examples of fine craftsmanship. I sat for a time with Ron Weiss at the tail-gate of his car. He brought a very nice Balsa U.S.A. ¼ scale Fokker D-7. Like true old timers we spoke of health problems, airplanes and just what a pleasant place to be with 51's and 47's buzzing about the sky. We were content in our environment. I brought my 80 inch Eindekker with the Maloney 100. The Skyhawks field is huge and I could not resist flying my bird even though it is underpowered. The wind was so strong you could lean at 45 degrees and not fall over. None-the-less, I threw caution to the wind “a pun” and took my one and only non-eventful flight. Lou Cetrangeio was my spotter. Sal was in charge of the food, and at lunch time, the club generously supplied those attending the event at no- charge, pizza and soda. I spoke to many old friends and made a few new ones. It was one of the best get-togethers that club could offer. I don't usually recap the events I go to, but, this one left me feeling great, with a feeling of camaraderie with my fellow fliers. The second part of the article has to do with my refurbishing several large airplanes that I built many years ago. A light bulb went on in my brain and a cold chill passed through me as I was going through my inventory of this old stuff. The fact is, I did not remember what servos I had installed in the wings. When I opened the wings up, I found Futaba S-148's and S-38's. These servos are listed having only 33oz. in. torque. For large aircraft, I felt they had to be changes. I had been reading that Blue Bird servos are made in Taiwan, not China, and are of excellent quality. They offer ball bearing and metal gears at a reasonable price. The output of the ones I selected have 86oz. in. torque. I, also, will swap some elevator servos for those giving 126oz. in. torque. This will give me a comfort factor of 100%. Next thing to change is batteries. I still like Nickel Cadmium batteries mainly because I am used to them and my sup-port equipment handles them. The 4.8v,1400mah flight packs are totally capable of handling the airplanes that they will be used in. Once all this is done, it would be nice to get a new 2.4 ghz radio, “when is my birthday”? When I get all this done, I won't have to worry for another 30 years or more. It is always a good idea, especially this time of year, to go through your equipment when you have the time and perhaps detect a problem before it becomes a catas-trophe. One thing more, check your easy hinges, nylon horns and servo arms. The plastic gets brittle and dries out with age….. Just as we do.

Avey Shaw

a two parter

In Honor of Veterans Day, November 11,2012, a little story about the airmen who flew the B-17 in World War ll Ypsilanti, Michigan — It's been 67 years since Charles Jones flew his last mission as the pilot of a B-17 Flying Fortress, but he re-members well the challenge it presented. "It's a complicated job you had to do," said Jones, 91, who flew 50 missions with the 483rd Bombardment Group of the U.S. Army Air Force in World War II. "You had to supervise the crew and sometimes even other airplanes." On Friday, more than a dozen former servicemen with the unit and their family members had the chance to go up in a vintage B-17 bomber at Willow Run Airport, Ypsilanti, Michigan Going up in the old B-17 cost $425 per person, and Jones decided not to fly, content instead to reminisce on the ground. The flights were just one event scheduled as part of a week of activities for the 483rd's annual reunion. "It's a great opportunity to see good friends, and we get to visit from different parts of the country," said Jones, who traveled from his home north of San Francisco with his son Stanley, 67. It's the first time the reunion has been held in Detroit since the first one in 1979. The group once included 900 former servicemen and their families, but now is down to about 100. The veterans, now in their late 80s and 90s, walked their wives, children and, in some cases, grandchildren around the B-17 Flying Fortress before the flights, pointing out where they used to sit during missions. The 483rd bomb unit, which was stationed in Sterparone,Italy, earned distinction for its strategic bombardment missions, according to Mike Roland, curator at the Museum of Aviation at Robins Air Force Base in Warner Robins, Ga. Crews would fly low enough to take out oil refineries, factories, airfields and other targets throughout enemy-occupied territory in Eu-rope, often taking fire from German planes, he said. The 483rd shot down more enemy fighters during the war than any other group, but suffered many casualties: about 40 percent of the 646 servicemen originally sent to the Italian base were killed or taken prisoner. Former Staff Sgt. Harry Millnamow of Farmington Hills organized the first yearly reunion of the 483rd at the Book Cadillac Hotel in Detroit in 1979. He booked a single room, not expecting much, and was amazed when dozens showed up. "I had to go down and ask them if we could rent out the bridal suite too, there were so many people," he said. Millnamow never forgot his time in the 483rd, nor his fellow servicemen. "You can have brothers and sisters and all sorts of family, but you just don't have the camaraderie that you have with someone you risked your life with.

WWII vets reminisce on 50 missions with 483rd Bombardment Group

James Coogler, who was a flight engineer, on a B-17G during WW2.

B-17G getting ready for a flight with the WW2 vets and their families.

Watching the bomber take-off from the sidelines Airborne

Harry Millnamon, waist gunner, somewhere over Europe, during a WW2 mission

in a B-17

“I purchased my Skymaster Viperjet through BVM and it was air shipped direct to me from the Skymaster factory in China. I selected one of the professionally painted schemes which was only $200 over the cost of the painted in the mold version. I know that the cost of the materials, mark-ings and masking would far exceed this if I did it myself. While the exterior is beautifully done for you. the installation of the turbine, fuel systems, gear sequencer, brakes and electronics, etc. are left to the modeler. With any model this complex it is important to realize that some parts may not work exactly the way they should the first time out. It is essential to have a well-organized layout so that even remote parts. cables, hoses and mounting plates are accessible and clearly labeled. As careful as I was I had an air leak, fuel leak and a dead servo on my first attempt to fly. Keeping it all neat to begin with helped me to be able to locate the problems and fix them quickly. I am more than happy with the flying qualities of this plane. It is a joy to fly and the speed, sound and even the smell just add to the realism while at the controls.

Here are some of the specs: Wing span 82”, Weight 26 lbs empty, Fuel capacity 126 oz of JetA or Kerosene, Fuel consumption at full power 9 oz per min, Max thrust 22 lbs. RPM at idle 30,000, RPM at full power, 125,000, Exhaust gas temperature 1,100 degrees F, Top speed estimated to be about 170mph. However, it has very good slow speed characteristics which are similar to a jet trainer. I used JR DMSX radio with a nine channel power-safe 2.4ghz main receiver with 4 satellite receivers. Power to the radio is provided by dual 2,300mah NOBS A123 batteries plus one 2 cell 2,200 mah LiPo for the turbine ECU. There are 8 Hitec and 2 JR digital servos.

For me, I would say the biggest difference between Jets, and conventional prop driven models, is learning to judge the speed while landing. Prop planes will slow down rapidly when power is reduced. On the other hand, Jets bleed off speed slowly. It is helpful to have a game plan before you take-off, taking into account the wind speed and direction, as to how you should plan your approach. The things I normally key in on are how the plane is descending and if I am pitched up or down. Of course, you will not know for sure, if the speed is correct until the plane just starts to pass you. As that point, a decision must be quickly. Do I nail it and go around, or stand on the brakes and try to stop before the end of the field. It is all great fun and adds to the rush and excitement.” Lou Cetrangelo

Lou Centrangelo, proud owner of a BVM, Skymaster Viperjet, gives us some insight on its specifications

and flying characteristics.

More pictures of Lou’s, beautiful, BMV Skymaster ViperJet

Landing

Low Speed Pass

Emaculate installation

of Components

Pictures by:

Sal Calvagna

2012 NEAT FAIR PEACEFUL VALLEY, NY

p ictures by Wayne Johnson

Waiting for the starting bell to ring before flying begins.

A walk down the row of tents exposes a selection of models that catch my eye. From a WW2 German Fighter, to a Racing Plane to a Rascal sport model and even a Star Trek space ship make up the beautiful se-lection of electric model aircraft.

More pictures seen at the Neat Fair 2012

A B-17 bomber, making a low pass along the valley wall in preparation for a smooth landing.

Duck !

I think you might like to see a short video of the only flyable B-29 in the world.

To our friends who may not understand the passion we feel for planes and particularly planes from WW11, this is Fifi. It is the only flying B-29 Strato Fortress in the world. This is one of the combat airplanes that flew from Iwo Jima, Saipan, Tinian islands to bomb Japan and help win the war. It was usually escorted by P-51 Mus-tangs to protect her from enemy fighters but, many, thousands of planes and aircrews were lost fighting for our country. This happened at a time in history before we had long range missiles and electronics. These planes were flown by men from our farms and cities who left their families at home and risked their lives in high altitude gun fights. It was up close, brutal and extremely dangerous, but, they risked it all to protect our country. Many never came home again. We love, respect and honor all of our veterans. But, we also have a love affair with the planes. It is a permanent addiction for us so we preserve these wonderful aircraft so you can see and experience the marvelous machines that preserved our freedom. We have completely rebuilt this aircraft and those powerful prop engines to bring Fifi back to life. It took years to accomplish, many thousands of donated dollars and thousands of hours of work by many unpaid vol-unteers to make this happen so that everyone can share this important part of our history. This is a unique fly-ing museum. If you get a chance to see her at an air show, don't pass up the chance. You are watching history and she is the only one left out of thousands. This is truly a rare aircraft. Enjoy the video. Col. Tom Leo, Golden Gate Wing Someone did a nice job of filming Fifi, the only flying B-29 .

http://vimeo.com/17388627

After you view this check out ‘A Flight with Charles Chauncey’. It’s one of the options available on the screen from the CAF.

For Your Information:For Your Information:For Your Information: I traded my iPhone in for an Android and was searching for new apps. I found a neat free app that should be available I traded my iPhone in for an Android and was searching for new apps. I found a neat free app that should be available I traded my iPhone in for an Android and was searching for new apps. I found a neat free app that should be available for iPhone as well. for iPhone as well. for iPhone as well. It is for subscribers to Model Airplane News. It is for subscribers to Model Airplane News. It is for subscribers to Model Airplane News. I just had to put my email address in to setup. It knew I just had to put my email address in to setup. It knew I just had to put my email address in to setup. It knew who I was. Once in you can download whole magazines by month. You can see each page or read by article. They who I was. Once in you can download whole magazines by month. You can see each page or read by article. They who I was. Once in you can download whole magazines by month. You can see each page or read by article. They probably had a mention in the magazine but I did not see it. You can zoom in but I suppose that comfortable reading is probably had a mention in the magazine but I did not see it. You can zoom in but I suppose that comfortable reading is probably had a mention in the magazine but I did not see it. You can zoom in but I suppose that comfortable reading is better suited to a tablet.better suited to a tablet.better suited to a tablet.

Best Regards,Best Regards,Best Regards, Lou CetrangeloLou CetrangeloLou Cetrangelo Saint James, NY 11780Saint James, NY 11780Saint James, NY 11780 Mobile: 631Mobile: 631Mobile: 631---258258258---588858885888