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DaveAsprey: You'regoingtolovelisteningthroughtotheendoftoday'sepisode.You'regoingtolearnsomethingaboutbonedensityyouprobablydon'tknowabout,howyoucanincreaseyourbonedensityinasmallamountoftime.You'llalsolearnsomethingsabouthowyourbodyputsonmuscle,andthisworkswhetheryou'reabodybuilderorwhetheryoujustwanttohaveadequatemusclemasswithoutalotofwork.Andattheveryendoftheshow,you'regoingtolearnanewwaytodopushupsthatcancompletelychangetheamountofmuscle,andtheamountofbenefityougetfromdoingit.It'sactuallyawaytocheatinapushupthatgivesyoumoremusclegrowth.AndifyoulistentoBulletproofRadio,youknowI'mallaboutsavingyoutime,andsavingyouenergy,andgettingmoreresultsfromlesseffort.You'relisteningtoatopexpertfrommultiplefieldsandeditorofmedicaljournalsinordertolearnthisstuff.It'safascinatingepisode.Listenthroughalltheway.You'llloveit.

You'relisteningtoBulletproofRadiowithDaveAsprey.Today'scoolfactofthedayisalittlebittroublesome.ItturnsoutthatkidsandteenagerswhotakestimulantdrugstotreatADHDcanhavelowerbonedensityasaresultofthat.AndasyouknowfromreadingHeadStrong,lowerbonedensityisaresultofchangesinmitochondrialfunction,aswellaschangesintheenvironmentalthing,liketheamountofloadthatyouhaveonyourbones.There'sanewresearchstudythatsaysthatpeoplewhohaveusedthesedrugsmightneedlifetimemonitoringofbonedensity,sothatyoucanseewhetherit'saffectingthem10,20,30yearslater.Theresearchershaven'tyetsaiddecisivelythatRitalinandamphetaminearetoblame,butthey'vedrawnaverystrongcorrelationthere,andthey'relookingtoseethatit'ssomethingthatisactuallycausation.

Sowhatdoesthismean?Ifyoudon'treallyneedthosestimulantdrugs,youmighttrysomethingelse.Thingslikechangingtheenvironmentaroundyousoyouhavemorecontrolofyourbiology.Wecallthatbiohacking,andI'veseenitworksowellforthousandsofpeoplewhohaveADHD,orlikeme,whohadAsperger'sandADD.Whenyougetenoughenergyinthebrain,it'lldowhatit'ssupposedtodo.It'sprettyamazing.Speakingofhavingyourbraindowhatit'ssupposedtodo,there'sabrandnewflavorofBulletproofFATwater.It'scalledBulletproofDragonFruitFATwater.Ifyouhaven'teverseenadragonfruit,that'sokay.Youprobablyhaveandyoudon'tknowit.AnytimeyouseealienseatingfruitonasciencefictionTVshow,it'salwaysadragonfruit.They'retheseincrediblyvibrant,tropicalfruitswithbrightpink.Itlookslikealienseedpodkindathings,andtheinsideiseitherapinkorawhitefleshthat'svaguelylikeakiwifruit.Very,verycoolthing.

Ifirsthadone,actually,inThailandonthesametripwhenIfirstdiscoveredyakbuttertea,whichledtothecreationofBulletproofCoffee.IwasreallyexcitedtoputthisintoFATwater,andyoucangetFATwaterontheBulletproofwebsite.ThisFATwaterhasbrainoctaneoilinmicrodroplets,soinsteadofusingsugartogetalittlebitofenergy,youdrinkthisstuff.Ittastesamazing,andyou'reusing

fatforfuelinsteadofsugar,andyoufeelreally,reallygood.There'safewBvitaminsinitthatalsocanhelpwithmitochondrialfunction.

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Today'sguestisafriend,aguyI'veknownforseveralyears,andtheguywhowasinspiredtodowhathedoesbecausehismomhadosteoporosis.Hefiguredoutsomebiochemistry,andlookedatwhathecoulddo,andendedupbecomingabiomedicalengineer,andhasdoneprofoundthingsthere.Ifyou'rewatchingthisonYouTube,youcangotobulletproof.com/YouTubetogetaquicklinktotheYouTubechanneltoseethis.You'llseethathe'skindof,Ithink,builtlikeabrick,somethingoranother,kindofasolid-lookingdude.Thatmightbebecausehe'sdonesomethingslikehackingmaletestosteroneoptimization.

TheguysitsontheBoardofDirectorsoftheAmericanBoneHealthInstitute,he'sontheeditorialboardoftheJournalofSteroidsandHormonalScience,andDiabetesOpen,andhe'sworkingonacouplereallycoolprojects,oneofwhichIwasthefirstpersontoeversee.SoIwanttosharesomeinterestingfactsaboutbones,muscles,hormones,andsomeotherthingslikethatthataregoingtobereally,reallyimpactfulandusefulforyou.Andalso,showyousomenewstuffthat'shappeningouttherethatcanmakeadifferenceforanyofthosedomainsofyourownhealthandwellness.HisnameisJohnJaquish.John,welcometotheshow.

JohnJaquish: Thanks,Dave.

DaveAsprey: Allright,John.We'vetalkedpersonallyaboutthis.Howdidyougetintoallofthisattheverybeginning?Tellmeaboutyourmom.

JohnJaquish: Well,itwas,yeah.Iwasyoung.Iwasanundergrad.Mymothercametomeandsaid,"I'vebeendiagnosedwithosteoporosis."SoIquicklyrealizedthisisadiseaseofdeconditioning.Anythingthat'sdeconditionedcanbecomereconditioned.SoIlookedintowhatresearchtherewasforpeoplewhowerebuildingsuperhumanbonedensity,whohadthemost,anditwasgymnasts.Itreallyhadtodowiththewaytheywouldimpacttheground.Anotherinterestingthingaboutgymnastics,fromaresearchperspective,isthatwecanseewhatagymnastdoes.Theirmovementpatternsastheystrikethegroundisveryrepeatable.Theyhavetodoitthesamewayeverytime,otherwisetheyinjure.Soverywell-practicedastheydothat.

SoIwantedtocreateadevicethatemulatedhighimpactforces.Soit'stheforcesgoingthroughthemuscularskeletalsystemthattriggertheeffect.SoIrealizedtellingmymothertobeagymnastwasn'ttherightthingtodo,but...Yeah,sheappreciatedthat,too.But,whatwewoulddoiscreateafixturewherepeoplecouldgetintothepositionstheywouldnaturallyabsorbbyimpactforce,andthenallowthemtoself-loadandgivethemcomputerizedbiofeedbackrightinfrontofthem,sotheyknowwheretheyareandwheretheywerethelasttimetheydidit.Therefore,ifanadaptationoccurredinthatparticularkineticchain,thattheywouldbeabletoproducemoreforce,showingagreaterleveloffunctionalboneperformance,becausethisisafunctionaltestofbone,andalsoastimulus.Sotheyactually,they'reabletoseethefunctionoftheirbonefromadecelerationperspective,andfromanactualperformanceandreal-worldperspective,astheyusedtheproductweek,afterweek,afterweek.

Mymotherreversedherosteoporosis,buthere'sthethingthatreallynailedithome,andnowI'mpartneredwithTonyRobbinsintheprojectthat'scalledOsteoStrong.There'sgoingtobeclinics.There'salready50clinicsintheUnitedStates,andthere'salreadyagreementsforhundredsmore,andwe'reexpandinginothercountries.Sowhatweknowaboutbone,andwhatbonereallyisintermsofmusculoskeletalhealth,ifyouhaveweakboneandyoufireamusclethat'sconnectedtothatweakboneinthatconnectchain,there'sgoingtobeneuralinhibitionbecauseyoucan'tengageamuscletosuchahighdegreewhereitwillbreakthebone.Yourcentralnervoussystemhasaprocesscalledneuralinhibition,you'vetalkedaboutitbefore.Neuralinhibitoryprocesseswillstopthebodyfromdamagingitself.Sobyraisingbonedensitytoahigherlevel,mylevelis+2,twostandarddeviationsabovenormal.Thatenablesmetohaveastrongerchassis,whichistakingawayalimitofmusclegrowth.

DaveAsprey: Soweakbonesequalssmallerandweakermuscles?

JohnJaquish: That'sright.

DaveAsprey: Andthat'sbecauseifyouhadstrongmusclesandweakbones,you'dbreakyourbones.

JohnJaquish: Right.

DaveAsprey: Makesalotofsense.

JohnJaquish: Right.Youcanusethat.Ilikeusinganautomobileanalogy.IfyoutakeaFormulaOneengineandputitinaHondaCivic,youwouldjustripthethingapart,justblowthewheelsrightoffofit.Yourcentralnervoussystemissmarterthanthepeoplewhodothatsortofthing,andputabigengineinaneconomycarbecauseit'stryingtokeepyouinhomeostasis.Butifyouputthebodyinanenvironmentwhereitischallenged,anextremeenvironment,thenthebody'sgoingtoseethatextremenessandmaketheadjustments.Therefore,theentiremusculoskeletalsystemwillbenefit.

Peopleallovertheworldhavehadtremendousgains,tremendousthings.TheCEOofOsteoStronghadchronicbackpain,chronicshoulderpain.Notafrozenshoulder,butclose.You'regoingtomeethimnextweek.Hisname'sKyleZagrodzky,greatguy.Hehadallkindsofbiomechanicsproblems,andhewaseveninthefitnessindustry.Hehadabunchofdifferentfitnesslocations,andhewasoneoftheguyswhowasearlydaysandCurves,togetthatoutthere.Alwayslookedtowardsgettingaudiencesthatweren'talreadyinvolvedinexercise,totryandgetthemexcitedaboutwhattheycando,fromthephysicalmedicineperspective.Sohejustthought,"Oh,I'mgettingold."He'sinhislate40sandhehadalotofchronicpain.Hestartsdoingthistherapyafterwemet,andinstantly,thepainwentaway.It'sbecausehe'sbuilding...Notjusttriggeringalittlemusculargrowth,it'sthebonethat'sgettingstronger,andtheassociatedtendonsandligamentsinthewholeconnectedchain.

DaveAsprey: Soforsomeonelisteningnow,they'relike,"Whattheheckisgoingonthat'scausingstrongbones?"IhadaninterviewrecentlywiththeguysfromPulseCentersinGeorgia.Theywereusingpulseelectromagneticfrequenciestodrivebonedensity.You'veprobablyseenmeonFacebookliveoronmyInstagrampagedoingthatonoccasion,andthat'sonewaytodoit.Butyoufoundawaythattakes,probably,lesstimethananythingelseI'veeverheardof,stuffthat'salmoststupidlyeffective.

JohnJaquish: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: Howdoesitwork?WhatistheOsteoStrongthing?

JohnJaquish: It'sacoupleseconds.Theactualactionofwhat'sgoingon.Sowhenpeopleaskme,oh,"Thewholetherapyprotocoltakes10minutes?Nothingcouldtake10minutes."Youonlydoitonceaweek,also,becausethemetabolicrateofboneislongerthanthemetabolicrateofmuscle.

DaveAsprey: Bytheway,that'soneofthereasonsIwantedyouontheshow,isthatexercisingforanhourandahalfaday,everyday,sixdaysaweek,likeIdidwhenIweighed300poundswhenIdidn'tgetresults,it'sahugefrickin'wasteoftime.Iwanttheminimumamountofexercisethat'sgoingtogetmewhatIwant.Whenyoutoldme10minutesonceaweekinordertodrivebonedensity,anditworksforyourgrandmother,anditworksforbodybuilders,thatgotmyattention.Iknowthatyouknowyourscience'causeweknoweachotherandwe'vetalkedatlengthaboutstuff.Sothisiswhythisisdisruptive.Thisiswhythisisbio-hackingandjustworthyoftalkingabout.Sopeoplegoin...Yousaidthere's50locationsandI'veseenthegearonce,sojustdescribewhattheprocessisandwhyyoucoulddrivebonedensitythatway.

JohnJaquish: There'sfourpositionsyougothrough,andyousitinthesefixturesthataretherobotic.Soyouloginandit'sgotallyourmeasurements,anditclosesinonyousothatyou'reinexactlytherightposition,soit'shighlycalculatedroboticmusculoskeletaltherapy.Thenyoubasically...Let'ssayyou'reinanimpactposition,youpushawayfromyourself,andthemovementyouseeisactually

thecompressionofbone.Themachine'snotmovingatall.Andthenyouhaveacomputerscreeninfrontofyouthat'stellingyouwhatyourfunctionalboneperformanceisinthatkineticmovement.

DaveAsprey: Soyou'redoingsomethingthatlookslikeapushup,butit'sapushupwhereyou'reonaseatthat'snotgonnamove,pushingagainstasurfacethatwon'tmove.

JohnJaquish: Right.

DaveAsprey: Soalltheenergygoesintoflexingandcompressingthebones.

JohnJaquish: Compressingaboneonitsaxis.Sothisistheaxisofmyclavicle,Iwanttocompressitthisway.

DaveAsprey: Doyouhavetocompressitfromendtoend,towardsthemiddle?

JohnJaquish: End,toend,toend,right.Soeveryonceinawhile,I'llcomeacrosssomebodywhosays,"Well,Ifoamrollforbonedensity.That'showIgetthepressureonbone."I'mlookingatthemlike...

DaveAsprey: Bonefibersarealignedacertainway.Itdoesn'tworklikethat.

JohnJaquish: Right,right.Likeyoudo,doIreallywanttohavethisargument,orjustgo,okay?

DaveAsprey: Yeah,allright.Foamrollinghasitsplace,forsure,butforbonedensity,that'snotoneofthetechnologiesthatIwouldnecessarilyrecommend.

JohnJaquish: Correct,yeah.

DaveAsprey: Allright.So,you'redoingwhatamountstoanisometricexercise,whereyou'rewedgedintoaplacewherenoneofyourbodycanmove,soalloftheforcehastocompressthebonesbecauseyou'realignedproperly.

JohnJaquish: Right.

DaveAsprey: Oneisapushup-likeposition.Whataretheotherthreepositionsthatpeoplegothrough?

JohnJaquish: Oneiswherethehips,likethe120degreeanglebehindthekneewhereyour...Likeyouwouldstriketheground.

DaveAsprey: Likealegpress,sortoflikeasquat?

JohnJaquish: Yeah,likealegpress,kindofsquatkindofthing.Thenthere'sanotheroneforthecoretodistorttheribs.Theboneactuallygetsdistortedslightly,sowehavesomestopmotionphotographythat,Ithinkit'sontheOsteoStrongwebsite,

whereyoucanactuallyseeanindividual,postmenopausalfemale,gofromrelaxationtocompression.Youcanseemovement,butnothingmovesinthemachine.Themovementisfromtheaxialcompressionofbone.

DaveAsprey: Wow,soit'sactuallymushingherbone.

JohnJaquish: Yeah.IwasjusthavingaconversationwithHeadofOrthopedicsinSweden,hugemedicalgroup.Thisguywasaskingme,like,"Doyouthinkwecouldevergetsomesortof,like,PQCT,whichisaCTscanoflimbs,wherewecanseealittlebitofthecompression?"Thisguy'ssoexcitedaboutlearning.Orthopedicsurgeonsalwaysunderstandthisbecausetheyunderstandthephysicalmechanicsofbone,andtheyalsoputscrewsandpinsintobadboneandgoodbone,sothey'reveryfamiliarwiththis.Theguysays,"MaybeatinyCTscanofabone,andmaybewecanactuallyseesomeofthecompression."Isenthimthatpicture.Youcanseeitwithyoureye.Youdon'tneedaCTscan.

DaveAsprey: Soyoucancompressyourlegsthatway?Soyoudoasquat,youdoapushup,andtheothertwopositions?

JohnJaquish: There'soneforthecore,theribcageandthenthere'soneforthespine.

DaveAsprey: Okay,that'sbasicallylikeadeadliftkindofposition,buttheseareallwithoutanyactualmotionotherthancompressionofyourbones.

JohnJaquish: Right.

DaveAsprey: Youdoit,ittakesabout10minutesonceaweek.TheideabehindOsteoStrongisthatthegeartodothisisprettybigandheavy,soyou'regoingtogointoalocationonceaweekfor10minutes,likeonyourlunchhourorsomething.Dothisandthengetadigitaltrackingofwhat'shappeningtoyourbonedensityandyourstrength'causetheygouptogether.

JohnJaquish: Right.

DaveAsprey: Yourligamentsgetbetter.Yourbonesgetbetter.Thisisoneofthosewaysoftakingwhatwouldbetensofthousandsofdollarsofgearandmakingitveryaccessibletopeople.

JohnJaquish: Hundredthousanddollarsofgear.

DaveAsprey: It'sahundredthousanddollarmachine,thereyougo.Idon'thaveone.

JohnJaquish: Yeah,they'reextraordinarilyexpensive.

DaveAsprey: Yeah,Idon'thaveoneathome.

JohnJaquish: No,no,youdonot.Iwouldnotrecommendthat.GetalocationnearyourplaceinCanada.

DaveAsprey: Andalso,10minutesonceaweekisnotworthit.That'senoughtogodoit,butifyouweretospendahundredgrandtohavesomethinglikethatathome,youshouldprobablybuyaTesla.

JohnJaquish: Right.Youdon'thaveabarberchairatyourhouse,either.

DaveAsprey: Exactly.Butit'sasmallenoughamountoftimewithabigenoughbenefit.That'swhyI'mintriguedatthis.Allright.Let'ssaythatsomeonedoesn'thaveanOsteoStronglocationnearthemandtheywantedtodosomebonedensitystuffathome.Whatcouldtheydotoimprovebonedensitynow?

JohnJaquish: Itwouldbeverydifficultformetoethicallysaythattheyoughttogooutanddohighimpactexercise.However,someathleticpeople,theymaynotbedoinghighimpactactivity,ortheymaybeandtheydon'tknow.AnotherthingIcreatedisaniPhoneapplicationcalledFractureProof.WhatFractureProofdoesisyoudownloadtheapplication.TheapplicationactuallybenefitsAmericanBoneHealth,sotryingtohelptheeducationsystems,tryingtogetpeoplemoreuptospeedonwhattheyneedtodotogrowbones.So,alittlebitofitgoesbacktoastudythatwasdoneinBristol,UnitedKingdomacoupleyearsagothatdetermined...Thisisoneofthemostimportantthingsinthisdiscussion:Theminimumdoseresponse.Anytimesomebodytestsadrug,it'slike,howlittleofthisdrug...Whenyouwereexperimentingwithbrainoctane,howlittleofthisdoweneedtotriggertheintendedaffect?Increasedcognitiveabilitiesifyou'reallowedtosaythat.I'mpartofthecompany,soIam.

DaveAsprey: Moremitochondrialenergydoesinterestingthingstothebrain.Icansaythat.

JohnJaquish: Right,okay.Theminimum...They'rethisgroupintheUnitedKingdom.Theydidastudywheretheyattachedaccelerometerstopeople,andthentheyhadthemgothroughhighimpactactivitiesthroughwhatevertheydid,whetheritwassportsorsomeoftheolderpeoplejustwentthroughtheiractivitiesofdailyliving,orexerciseclass,cardiotypestuff,andtrytodetermine,ortheydiddeterminewithcrossingtheaccelerometerdatawithregularblooddraws,becauseyoucantestsomebody'sbloodforbloodturnovermarkers.Ifyougothroughhighimpactandwetestyourblood,iftheimpactishighenough,therearemarkersthatshowthattherehasbeenanaffectofgrowth.It'scalledtheremodelingeffect,soosteoclasticactivityhappensfirst,andthenosteoblasticactivityhappenslater.Whatwassoprofoundaboutthisstudyistheydiscoveredwhattheminimumdoseresponsefortriggeringbonegrowthis.Thisisawesome.

DaveAsprey: Whatisit?

JohnJaquish: Okay,butletmebackup.Forahundredyears,Dr.JuliusWolff,hehadpeoplejumpingoffoftables.Aftertheywoulddie,thiswasahundredyearsago,aftertheywoulddie,he'dgetthecadaverandhe'dsaw-

DaveAsprey: Fromjumpingoffthetable?

JohnJaquish: No.Whentheywoulddieofnaturalcauses,hewouldsawintotheirboneandlookatitandsay,"Okay,thepeoplewhowentthroughhighimpacthadhigherbonedensity."It'scalledthelawofmechanotransduction.Everybodywhohasbeentomedicalschoolstudiedthis.Whilehemadethatobservation,hehadnowaytodeterminewhatthatminimumdoseresponsewas.Thisiswhyeveryeducationalbodyrecommendsresistancetogrowbone.Now,resistanceinhighimpactisalotdifferentthanresistancelikeatagymbecauseagymnast,forexample,get10timestheirbodyweightwhentheyslamagainstthegroundfromadismountoftheunevenbars.Nobodygoestothegymandlifts10times.Hardlyanybodylifts2times.Infact,accordingtotheAmericanCollegeofSportsMedicine,theaverageofpeoplewhoexerciseonaregularbasis,theyloadtheirlowextremitieswith1.3timestheirbodyweight.Iftheminimumdoseresponse,whichwasdiscoveredinthisstudy,was4.2multiplesofbodyweight,that'swhatitwas.That'stheminimum.

DaveAsprey: Soyou'resayingliftingweightswon'treallyaffectbonedensity?

JohnJaquish: Itcanhappenifyouareataveryhighdegree,maybeifyouaredoingstrongragepartials,maybeifyou'realsodoinghighimpact.

DaveAsprey: Imean,there'sothervariablesbesidestheenvironmentalsignalthattellsthebonesthey'restrong.

JohnJaquish: Ofcourse.

DaveAsprey: 'Causeifyou'relifting,you'regoingtogetmoretestosterone,bonedensity.You'regonnagetmoreIGF1.You'regoingtogetmoregrowthhormone.You'regoingtogetbettercirculation.Youmightchangehowyoueat.YoumightgetmorevitaminK2.You'llgetmorecollagenstimulus,butthosearetinythingsthataffectbonedensitycomparedtotherightloading,whichisahugesignal.

JohnJaquish: Sure,thosearebuildingblocks,butyoustillneedthesignal.Aguywithhightestosteronethatdoesn'tdoanyexerciseisnotgonnabuildbigmuscle.

DaveAsprey: Right.

JohnJaquish: YoucanhavetheIGF,youcanhaveahightestosterone,youcanhavethecalcium,thevitaminD.Ifyou'renotputtingloadonbone,notawholelotisgonnahappen.

DaveAsprey: Right.

JohnJaquish: That'sbeenshown.Yes,therearesomelittledegrees,usuallycalciumandvitaminDcanslowdowntheloss'cause...

DaveAsprey: K2seemstobeparticularly-

JohnJaquish: K2,yeah,yeah,theyusethem.

DaveAsprey: Okay.

JohnJaquish: Whatthisstudydiscovered,this4.2multiplesofbodyweight,theydeterminedthatthepeoplewhofailedtoachieve4.2didn'tgrowanybone.Theyhadneverhadtheturnovermarkerspresentwithahighlevelofstatisticalsignificance.Butthepeoplewhoexceeded4.2multiplesofbodyweightdidhaveboneturnover,sotheywereabletogrowbone.

DaveAsprey: WhataboutthingsliketheBulletproofVibe?Oneofthethingsthattheyusewholebodyvibrationfor,andthereasonwechosethefrequenciesthatareintheBulletproofVibeisit'swhatNASAusestohelpastronautsgetreconditionedaftergettingnostimulusontheirboneinspace.

JohnJaquish: Right.

DaveAsprey: Sothisisaverticalvibration30timesasecond.Iknowyou'vestudiedthewholebodyvibrationsspaceveryextensively.Isthereanyusefulnessforbonedensityforpeoplewhoarealreadyhealthywithbonedensitythere?It'sokaytosayno.Imean,therearestudiesthatgobothwaysthatIknowof.

JohnJaquish: Yeah,therightanswerisno.Well,but,there'sabut.

DaveAsprey: Therearestudiesthatgobothways.

JohnJaquish: No,thevibrationdoesnotdoanythingforbone.Whatthevibrationcandoisincreasesomebody'sbiomechanics.Ifsomebodyishighlydeconditioned,verypoorbiomechanics,kyphotic,theycanstarttofiresomeofthestabilizingmusclessothentheycangoonanddomoreimpact-likeactivity,ortheycandothisosteogenicloadingtherapy.

DaveAsprey: Soonatypicalvibrationplate,howmanytimesyourbodyweightisgoingtohappenatthebottomofvibration?

JohnJaquish: Justthebodyweight.

DaveAsprey: Bodyweight?Well,no,there'sacceleration,9.2metersper-

JohnJaquish: Tohaveitberelevantintrabecularbone,youhavetoaccountfortheaccommodationofskinbeingpushedtogether.Youhavetoaccommodateforthenaturalprocessofallthetenderness,ligamentousmaterialthere,whichis

designedtodeceleratesomeone.And,muscleiscompletelydesignedtodecelerateyou.

DaveAsprey: Right.

JohnJaquish: It'sdifficulttodeterminebecausealotofthevibrationmanufacturers...

DaveAsprey: There'salotofcrapoutthere.

JohnJaquish: Theyplayedasillygamewithmathematicstosaythatgravityissixtimesnormalwhenyou'restandingonavibrationplate.That'sridiculous.That'slike,theymightaswellputablinkinglightonitandsayyou'reexercisingatthespeedoflight.Iwasinvolvedwithavibrationcompany.Thestuffthatisouttherewasappalling,nothingIwasinvolvedwith,but...

DaveAsprey: Yeah,butthere'salotofstuffthatwillruinyourlowback.WhenIstartedexperimentinglike15yearsago,Ihadhurtmyhipsandmybackwiththesidetosidestuff,andIbrokeacouplemachines,butIsawbenefits.That'swhyIendedupdoingitthewayIdidit.Soyou'resayingthattherearebenefitstoit,butthey'remostlyneurologicalandcirculationbased?

JohnJaquish: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: Right,okay.Iwouldsupportthat.Therearestudiesthatsayifyouhaveosteoporosis,ifyourbonesareveryweak,youcanseebenefitsfromit.Butifyouhavestrongbones,they'renotgonnagiveyousuperhumanbones.

JohnJaquish: Butsee,thehighlycontrolledstudiesfoundnoeffect.Someofthepoorercontrolledstudiesdidseesomeeffect.Icansaytherewassomethingnefariousgoingon,butwhatIthinkwhatwasgoingonistheydidn'tcontroltheactivityoftheparticipantsinthestudy.Ifwetakesomebodywhoiskyphoticanddoesn'thave-

DaveAsprey: Definekyphoticfortheaudience.

JohnJaquish: Hunchedover,likesomeoftheolderpeople,ortheirheadisjusttranslatedalittlebit.

DaveAsprey: AnyonewithaniPhone.

JohnJaquish: Yeah.AnyonewholooksdownattheiriPhones.Whenyouhavepoorbiomechanics,you'renotgonnabeabletoabsorbimpactlevelforce.Whenyouimprovesomebody'sbiomechanicsanddon'tcontroltheirotheractivitythroughthewholeperiodofthestudy,ifyou'regonnastudysomebody'sbonedensity,it'sgonnabeoveralongperiodoftime.Youcan'ttellthem,oh,allofasudden,ifyoufeelfantastic,you'renotallowedtogooutandrunaroundinafieldandplaysoccerwithyourkidsorsomethinglikethat.Ifallofasuddenthey

startimprovingtheiractivity,thatmayhaveatinybonedensityeffect.Eventhebeststudiesthatshowedabonedensityeffect,whichlikeIsaid,theywerethepoorlycontrolledones.Itwasveryminuscule.

DaveAsprey: It'smoreaboutlymphaticcirculation,andIdoseealotoftightnesswhenIdoit,versusgoingforawalk.There'samitochondrialstimulationandthings.Iremainafanofwholebodyvibrationdoneright.

JohnJaquish: Oh,oh.

DaveAsprey: Butforbonedensity,it'snotasstrongsignal,comparedtojumpingofftablesorinthecaseofwhatyou'redoingwithOsteoStrong,loadingthebonesproperly.Idefinitely...Youfeelitwhenyoudoit.It'saverydifferentkindofexercisethanliftingweightswhenyou'redoingOsteoStrong.

JohnJaquish: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: Allright.SoOsteoStrongwillbecomeavailableforpeople.I'massumingit'sOsteostrong.com?

JohnJaquish: Osteostrong.me.

DaveAsprey: .Me,okay,cool.That'ssomethingthatyou'repartneredwithTonyRobbinson.Okay,well,let'stalkaboutTonyforaminutebecauseI'mfortunatethatTonyhasinvitedmetospeakathisUnleashthePowerWithinconference.I'montheregularagendanow,soIspeaktolike15,000peopleonaregularbasis.

JohnJaquish: It'sawesome,yeah.

DaveAsprey: Itjustblowsmeaway.AndTony,whenyougobackstage,he'sgotatrampoline,likeaminitrampoline.Idon'tknowanyhumanbeing,andIknowalotofcrazymadmenoutthere,whohastherawenergyproductionabilityofTonyRobbins.Hethrowsoffheat,he'sgotairconditionersblowingonhimonstage,andhe'sjustemoting.He'ssendingasignalthatbackstage,he'sgoteverypieceofbiohackinggear,everythinghecantojustgivehimmoreenergy.Andrightthereisatrampoline.Whataretheaffectsofreboundingonbonedensity?

JohnJaquish: Becauseit'scushionedatthebottom,verylittle.

DaveAsprey: Now,youmightgetligamentimprovements,though,fromvibrationandbouncing,ordoesthatalsorequirethesamething?

JohnJaquish: That'snotasresearched,soitwouldbedifficulttosay.Icouldguessitwouldbemoreofone.

DaveAsprey: You'rearesearchprofessional.You'vebeenstudyingthisstuffyourwholelife.Youworkedwithproathletes,andlotsandlotsofpeople,sowhetherornot

therearestudies,inyourexperience,whatwouldyouguess,giventhatyouknowmorethanalmostanyoneelseandyou'veseenmorethanalmostanyoneelseandyouhadtoflipacoin,whatsideisitgonnalandon?

JohnJaquish: Itwouldlandonthetendonandligamentimprovement.

DaveAsprey: Okay.Itendtothinkthat'sright,too,butIdon'thaveanywherenearyourlevelofexperienceinthatpartofit.Itseemslikely.

JohnJaquish: Oneoftheproblemshereisthatit'slikenoonedoescancerstudiesondietswithalotofhighfatinvegetables,right?

DaveAsprey: Yep.

JohnJaquish: Becausethere'snotalotofbusinesstobedone.Nobodyisgonnasellaproductthat'sgonnapotentiallymakeatrilliondollarsorbillionsofdollarsorsomethinglikethattotellpeopletogoeatvegetablesandahighfatdiet.Right?

DaveAsprey: Yeah.

JohnJaquish: Sowe'rejustnotgonnagetthatlevelofstudy.

DaveAsprey: Right,noone'sgonnapayforit.

JohnJaquish: You’renotgoingtobeapharma-levelstudythere.That'stheproblemwithallphysicalmedicineinterventionslikethat.

DaveAsprey: Ihearyou.Andfrankly,ifyouhaveastudythatsaysafoodhasamedicaleffectonyou,you'renotallowedtospeakaboutitbecausethenyou'reaccusedofsellingfoodasadrug.Soalotoftheresearchthatexistsaroundthingslikecollagenorbrainoctane,I'mlegallyforbiddentotellyouwhatitactuallydoes.

JohnJaquish: Right.And,tomakethingsevenworse,ifyoudidaclinicaltrialonit,theywouldsay,oh,thisneedstobecontrolled.

DaveAsprey: ButIstillcan'tsayit.

JohnJaquish: Yeah,youstillcan'tsayit.

DaveAsprey: Itdrivesmenuts.

JohnJaquish: SoevenifyoudoeverythingrightandplaybytheFDA'srules,thenyou'rejustfencedoffinanotherarea.

DaveAsprey: Icantellyou.Itmakesyoufeelgood.Now,you'reworkingonanotherproject,whichistheoneImentionedatthebeginningoftheshow.Iwasthefirstpersonoutsideofyourcompany.

JohnJaquish: Thefirstguyshowed.Icouldn'twaittogetittoyou.

DaveAsprey: Yeah,youflewuptomyhouse,actuallyBulletproofLabsAlphathere,andIplayedwiththisandwaslikewow.WeendeduptestingitwithfourdifferentpeopleontheBulletproofteam.Theseweretheonlyfourprototypesinexistence.Wediditforaboutsixweeks.Allofthemwerelike,"CanIkeepthis?"You'relike,"No,"andtookitback.

JohnJaquish: Afewofthem...Theprototypescost$2,000apiecetobuild.Acoupleofthem,twoofthemsaid,"I'llgiveyou$2,000ifIcanjustkeepthis."OfcourseIneededit,so...

DaveAsprey: Yeah,thiswasveryearlystagestartupstuff.ThisdeviceiscalledtheX3.

JohnJaquish: TheX3.

DaveAsprey: IkeepwantingtocallittripleXbecauseIgottajusttellyouguysthis.Johnisanincredibleresearchscientist.He'sgotbiceps,atleastasbigasmyhead,andknowswhathe'sdoing.ButhewantedtocallthisproducttripleX.I'mlike,"John,thatmighthaveaconnotation."He'slike,"But,itmakesyougrowmusclethreetimesasfastasliftingweights."

JohnJaquish: Yeah,there'sresearchthatsaysthat.

DaveAsprey: IthinkX3wastherightnameforit.

JohnJaquish: Well,IthoughttripleXwouldbelikeacontroversialname,anditwouldbe,right?Everyone'sgonnalaughwhentheyhearthatname.Oh,yeah,Igottacheckthatoutandthey'llrememberit.Theproblemwasfromasearchengineperspective,that'sliketheworstthingyoucandobecauseit'slikeanybodywillfindit.

DaveAsprey: Itwouldbetheshakeweight.Itwouldbeterrible.

JohnJaquish: Yeah.Callthenextthreebecauseofthegainscomethreetimesasfast.

DaveAsprey: Inallofyourresearchonbonedensityandonmusclebuilding,andjustbeingabodybuilderandworkingwithalotofthetopbodybuilders,someofwhomhavenowendorsedthisthing.I'lljusttellyou.Mydealis,IwouldlovetoworkoutlessandgetallofthebenefitsbecauseIhavestufftodo.I'dratherrecordanotherepisodeofthis.I'drathergo,likethismorning,Itookmykidstothezoo.IfIcouldgetanotherhouroftimetogotothezooversushitthegym,I'lltakethat.

JohnJaquish: Right.

DaveAsprey: SohowdoIputmuscleonandjustmaintain,mostly?Idon'twanttolooklikeabodybuilder.IfIdecideto,thenI'mgoingtocommitmoretimeandmoreeffort.Butinthemeantime,Iwanttomaintainthealmostmuscularphysique,whichisonethatIthinkisgonnahelpmelivethelongest.

JohnJaquish: Sure.

DaveAsprey: So…thewaytodothisthatyoudiscoveredinvolvesloadingthemusclesinadifferentwaythangravityandweightsdoes.Canyouwalkmethroughthat?

JohnJaquish: Right.Whenyou...Letmewalkbackalittlebitandtalkaboutsomeofthebonedensityresearch.

DaveAsprey: Sure.

JohnJaquish: OneofthelaterstudiesthatIdidonbonedensity,IjustwrotetheprotocolandIhadahospitalinLondondotheresearch.ItwaspublishedintheJournalofOsteoporosisandPhysicalActivity,greatjournal,bytheway'causetheycoverphysicalmedicine.Whatwediscoveredwasthatwe'vealwaysknown,andit'sbeentalkedabout,isinrangeofmotion.IfI'mgonnapushsomethingawayfrommyself,let'ssayabenchpressbar.Whenit'slayingonmychest,Icanhandle,let'ssayX.ButwhenIpushitfurtherawayfromme,likelet'ssayhalfwayup,it'smore.Weallknowwehavegreatercapability.Sowhenweselectaweightinthegymtodoweightliftingwith,wewillselecttheweightthatwecanhandleinourweakestrangeofmotion.

Whileit'sbeenknownwhatthedifferenceisandthecapability,whatwasdiscoveredinthatstudy,aguynamedBaselHunt,who'saclinicalpsychologistintheUnitedKingdomhealthcaresystem,hewasabsolutelyblownawayatthedifferences.RememberIsaid1.3multiplesofbodyweightiswhatpeople,onaverage,loadtheirhipswith.Whatweseeinthatstudyandinthedataingeneralisthepeopleactuallyloadthehipsinamaximalperspectiveandimpactdecelerationperspectiveatninetimestheirbodyweight.

DaveAsprey: SotranslatethatintoEnglishforpeoplelisteningwhodon'tknowwhatmaximal-

JohnJaquish: I'mgoingto,right.AllthatstuffIsaid,forgetallthat.Whatyouneedtoremember,thetakeawayhereis,youareseventimesmorepowerfulinyourstrongrangeofmotionthanyouareinyourweakrangeofmotion.

DaveAsprey: Thereyougo.

JohnJaquish: Right.IfI'mgonnadoabenchpress,basically,I'mlosingamagnitude,hugemultipleofthegrowthpotentialbecausewhateverweightIpick,Icanhandleintheweakrangeofmotion,whichmeansinthestrongrangeofmotion,it'snotreallydoinganything.Thiswastheproblem.Becauseinconventionallifting,we

pickastaticweight,we'reonlystimulatingintheweakerrangeofmotion,whichisalsowherejointdamagehappens.Theguyswhotryandtrainheavyoverandoveragain,theyhavetendonitis,theyhaveallkindsofdamagedjoints,biomechanicsproblems.Whenyougotoapowerliftingevent,alotoftheolderpowerlifters,they'rewalkingwithcanes.Youkindoflookaroundandyousay,"Thissportwasabouthealth,right?"

DaveAsprey: No,itwasaboutpower!

JohnJaquish: Excuseme,guys.Thiswasabouthealth,Ithought?Idon'tknow.Imean,well,Ilovepowerlifting,fascinatedbyit.Ialwayshavebeen.It'swhydon'twe,andthequestionwhenIlookedatthisresearchdata,Ithought,whydon'twedevelopsomethingthatisaccommodating?Whycan'twehaveavariableresistanceproductwhereintheweakrange,wehaveaverylowamountofweighttoprotectjoints.Inthestrongrange,wehaveaweightthatwecanneverun-rackatthegym,muchhigher.ThenItookitastepfurtherandbuiltaprotocolaroundthisso,andthisisanothertakeaway,diminishingrangewithvariableresistance.Sowhenyoudoit,youneverlockout.'Causeyoulockout,youturnthemuscleoff.It'saveryconfusingsystemforyourcentralnervoussystemandthenitendsupdoingnothing.Let'ssayIgotofullextension.Let'ssaywithonebandthatIhave,youknow,thisone.

DaveAsprey: Just,wehaven'ttalkedaboutthat.Sowhatyou'reusingiscustommadebandswithareallyinterestingballbearingdevicethatallowsyoutonottwistyourjointsasyou'redoing...

JohnJaquish: Right.

DaveAsprey: Youbuyresistancebandsfor,like,Idon'tknow,$30orsomething,buttheydon'tdowhatthisdoesatall.

JohnJaquish: Right.Thebandsarespecialinthatthey'relayeredlatex,asopposedtomoldedrubber.Thepowerbehindthemisverydifferent.It'skindofdifficulttoexplainthatovertheinternet.Peopleseeatinyvideoandtheyseearubberband,andit'slike,isn'tthatthesameasalltheotherones?No,it'snot.

DaveAsprey: Youhadtocustommakethebands.

JohnJaquish: Yeah,yeah,yeah.Whatwedoiswevarytheresistance.Solet'ssayIhave80poundswhenit'sonmychest.

DaveAsprey: Onabenchpress?Okay.

JohnJaquish: It's200pounds.Yeah,onabenchpress.200poundswhenI'mhalfwayawayfrommetofullextension,andthenit's350poundswhenI'matfullextension.Let'sjustsaythatthat'swhatthepowercurveis.That'swhatitiswhenIuse'causeItesteditwithaloadcellwhenIusedthatparticularband.Solet'ssayI

gothrough10repetitionsandallofasudden,Ican'thitthat350anymore.Now,I'vebuiltuptothis.Hitting350atapeakisnotwhatpeopledoondayone.

DaveAsprey: You'reaprettysolidguy.

JohnJaquish: Yeah,yeah.It's...I'mgonnapatmyselfontheback.Iamridiculouslystrong.SoI'mabletogotothis350until,like,let'ssay10repetitionsandthenIcan'tgetthere.Then,Idiminishtherange.

DaveAsprey: Soyoudon'tpushasfar?

JohnJaquish: Right,right.Andso,Icanonlygo,like,let'ssayhalfwayandIdomaybeanotherfiveorsixrepetitionsthatarehalfwaytowhereIgettothe200pounds.Then,I'mtooexhaustedtodothat.

DaveAsprey: Andthere'snopauseatthebottom.Youneverunloadthemuscle.

JohnJaquish: Right,exactly.

DaveAsprey: That'simportant.

JohnJaquish: Constanttension.It'sconstanttension.First,it'svariableresistancewiththeheavybandsandtheveryparticularlymadebarthat'llhandlehundredsandhundredsofpoundsthathasanOlympicbarfunction,soitswivels.Ifyouturnyourwrist,youdon'tlosegriponit.That'shuge.That'spartofwhythiswassuchaprofoundthing.Thenthere'salsoagroundplatetohookittotheground.

DaveAsprey: Soyoucandothecurlsandthingslikethat.

JohnJaquish: Right,right.

DaveAsprey: Gothrougharangeofmotion.We'redoingthisonvideoliveattheBeUnlimitedBulletproofconference,we'redoingholotropicbreathingwithStanGrofandthingslikethat.Ifyouwanttowatchthisonvideo,bulletproof.com/YouTubewillgiveyouthelink,butwe'lltalkeverythingthroughsoifyou'redrivingoryou'reatwork,youdon'thavetowatchthevideo.It'sthisheavybarabouttwofeetacrosswithextremelyheavyhardaroundtheends.Youcouldjustfititinyourluggage,itlookslike.

JohnJaquish: Yeah,it's21inchesandyoudropitrightin.

DaveAsprey: Itweightswhat?Sixpounds?Eightpounds?

JohnJaquish: Eight.

DaveAsprey: Eightpounds.It'sasolidthing,andit'sgottheseswivelinghooksontheendsthathooktosomebands.Icantellyou,havingdonethisforthattimeabout18

monthsago,youdothisforlikefiveminutes,youfeellikeyou'regonnadie.Yougetdizzyfromit,andthenwhenyou'redone...

JohnJaquish: Yougottasitdown.Youcandolikeoneset,andyouhaveto...Thelevelofexhaustion-

DaveAsprey: It'sinsane.

JohnJaquish: Thatwiththevariableresistance,ofcourse,it'sadeepermuscularstimulus.Keepingtheconstanttension,that'shuge,andthenthethirdthingisthediminishingrange.Youenduptheendofoneset,youhaveoneinchrepetitionswhereyou'rejustexercisingtheweakerrangeofmotionssoyoufatiguedallrangesofmotionsimultaneouslyinoneset.Itis[crosstalk]triggeringanadaptationtothehumanbody,typically,thegreaterthestimulus,thegreatertheresponse.Youdon'tgetmuchofatanonChristmasday,butyouwillinJuly.Youdon'thavetobeoutsideforverylong.Theexposuretothestimulus,themoreintenseyoucanmakethat,andsowe'rebasicallytrickingthebodyintobeingabletoputtremendousforcesthroughthemuscularskeletalsystemwithverylittleriskofinjury,andthentrigger,andthengoingthroughthatfullrangeofmotiontriggeringmassivemusculargrowth.

DaveAsprey: It'saninterestingthing.WhatIwoulddoisIwouldhavemyBulletproofcoffeeinthemorning,andthenIwoulddothisbasicallyaround12:00or1:00whenI'minafastedstatesoI'vegotnothingbutketonesfromtheBulletproofcoffee.ThenIdothis.Afterwards,it'slikeIgottaeatnow,andIgoeat.

JohnJaquish: Sothisisvery,verycontroversialwithallthethingsI'veseenonline,yeah.Peoplehaven'texperiencedit.Theirexposures,theyseeavideothat'soneinchbyoneinchandahalfontheirphonescreen,soit'sverydifficulttoseethecomplexityandqualityoftheproduct.Andso,whenIsayIputon30poundsinayear,inmuscle,andIdroppedbodyfatatthesametime,likesomeofthese...Ithinktheycallthembroliftersorbroscienceorwhatever.

DaveAsprey: Oh,thesciencetrolls,yeah.

JohnJaquish: Yeah,yeah,wheretheyreadanarticlebyArnold,whichwaswrittenbynotArnold,buthadhisnameonitinthe1970s.Theyassumetheyknowabsolutelyeverythingthereistoknowabouteverynuanceofhumanphysiology.Godblessthem.They'renicepeople.Theymeanwell.Theythinkthey'reprotectingtheirfriendsfromsomegoofyproduct,butit'snotgoofy.There'satonofsciencebehindit,andyes,Ididputon30poundsofmuscleinayear.

DaveAsprey: YouarelookingsubstantiallythickersincethelasttimeIsawyou.

JohnJaquish: Sincethelasttimeyousawme,yeah.I'veevenbeenfilmingthe12weekprogram.Wehaveafree12weekprogramwiththeproduct.I'vebeenfilmingthe12weekprogram.Eveninthevideosfromweektoweek,thereareusersof

theproductwhoboughtthepreorderwhohavebeensayinglike,"Iactuallyseeyougettingbiggereveryweek."

DaveAsprey: Igottatellyou,veryclearly,John,X3isascambecauseIputon30poundsofmuscleinsixweeks.

JohnJaquish: Oh,insixweeks?

DaveAsprey: AndIdidn'texerciseanymore.

JohnJaquish: Right.

DaveAsprey: Actually,Idid,butIwasusingSARMs.

JohnJaquish: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: Andyou'renot.That'sthereasonIbringthisup.You'renotdoingthat.You'renotusingSARMs.

JohnJaquish: IhavenotexperimentedwithSARMs.

DaveAsprey: Whatabouttestosterone?

JohnJaquish: IhadlowtestosteronewhenIwasyounger.

DaveAsprey: Sure,IhaditsinceIwas26.

JohnJaquish: 28forme.

DaveAsprey: Okay,cool,soyoutakephysiologicaldosesofit?

JohnJaquish: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: Okay,cool.Whatphysiologicaldosesofbioidenticaltestosteronedoistheymakeyoulivelongerandlikeyourlifebetter.Anytimesomeoneelsesays,"Oh,you'retakingtestosterone,itdoesn'tmatter."Actually,youdon'tknowwhatthehellyou'retalkingabout.

JohnJaquish: Yougetsuchalittledose.Imean,youfeelbetter.Yougrow.

DaveAsprey: Youdon'tgetbigfromthat.

JohnJaquish: Whatyoudoisyoudon'tlosemuscleifyougettheprescription.Mostpeoplegettheprescriptionwhenthey'relike40or50.Infact,partofthereasonthatIreallygotexcitedaboutthisproductwasworkingwithheadoftheclinicaldirectorofphysicalmedicineforTitanBiomedical.That'salabthatprescribes

testosterone,anditwasfunnybecausepeoplewillgetaprescriptionfortestosterone.Theywouldn'tseeanyresultsatall.

DaveAsprey: Yep.

JohnJaquish: IhadafriendatCenegenicsthatsaidthesame,that'sthesimilartypeofservicesaidthesamekindofthing.Wehavepatientsthatjustdon'tgainanymuscleatall.

DaveAsprey: They'rehappierandthey'reprobablybetterinbed,buttheydon'tgainmuscle.

JohnJaquish: Right,right.Andalso,Ithinkfrequently,theythinkthey'regonnalook18again.There'ssomeunrealisticexpectationsthatareoftenevenonthefaultofthepersonwhois...

DaveAsprey: Yeah,itstillhelps,anditreallycanimproveyouroutlookonlifeifyouhavethelowtestosterone[crosstalk].

JohnJaquish: You'renotgonnaputonatonofmusclefromtestosteronetherapy.So,Iwasalwaysanathleticmuscularguy.Thenwhendevelopingthisthing,Ihadjustridiculouslyawesomeresults.

DaveAsprey: Wehavenoformalaffiliateoranythinglikethat.I'manadvisortoacouplecompaniesmakinginterestingmuscledevelopingstuff.I'mnotofficiallyanadvisorhere.We'rejustfriends.We'retalkingaboutthisstuff.Thisis,I'mguessingit'sX3.com.Iactuallydon'tknow.

JohnJaquish: X3bar.com.

DaveAsprey: X3bar.com.Icantellyouguys,thisislegitimatestuff.I'mreallyimpressedwithit,whichiswhyIwantedtohaveJohnon.Plus,Imean,youknowathingortwohere.You'vestudiedthisextensively.You'velookedattheeffectsofwholebodyvibration,andyou'velookedattheeffectsofwhathappenswhenyoudon'tallowthemusclestorelax,whenyoujustkillthemthewaytheX3bardoes.Ifeltit.Itriedit.Ithinkthisisoneofthosetimesavingthingsthatmaybeprobodybuilders,Iguessyouhavesomeproswhoarenowusingthis,canuse.Butalso,justnormalpeople,whetheryou'reastayathomemomwho'slike,look,Idon'thavetimetoworkout.Iwanttodealwithmykids.Thishappensalot,actually.Ihearthis.Ithappenedtomywife.Iusedtohaveayogapractice.Iusedtodoallthisstuff.Andnow,thedemandsoflifearejusttoomuch,butIstillwanttomaintainmymusclemassbecauseit'simportanttofeelgood.

JohnJaquish: Remember,oneofthereasonswe'refriends,Irememberthefirsttimeyoucalledme.Ithinkitwaslikeatwoandahalfhourconversation.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.

JohnJaquish: I'mnotevensurewhereyougotmynumber,butitwasjustlike,"Hey,thisisDaveAsprey."Iwaslike,"Really?"

DaveAsprey: Icalled1-900-Big-Musclesandyouansweredit.

JohnJaquish: Thereyougo.Sowetalked,andit'snotevenjustthethingsthatwe'reworkingon.Whilethey'redifferent,they'regoingtowardsaverycommongoalofwhatyoujustsaid,butalso,they'reoptimizing.Ididn'twanttodevelopthissopeoplecouldsavetime.Iwantedtocreatetheabsoluteultimateseriousstrengthtrainingthing.

DaveAsprey: Yeah,you'reaperfectionist.

JohnJaquish: Yeah,andapartofitisalotofpeoplehavesaidthatthisisalittleoverbuilt'causeithandlesover500pounds.Infact,IgotavideoonYouTubewhereI'mdoing550pound,Ihadaloadcellinthemiddleofthechain.Imean,betweenthebandandthebar,550poundsforreps.Noteveryoneisgonnadothat,butIwantedtoshowthatsomethinglikethis,thatthis,withvarianceinresistance,couldmakesomebodyasstrongaspossiblebecausenowwe'releveragingwhatwe'velearnedaboutthehumanbodyandthedifferencesofthecapabilityinrangeinmotion.So,Imean,anybodywhosays,"Oh,it'stooexpensive,orwhatever.Isay,"Whatifit'sthelastfitnessdollaryoueverspend?Soisittooexpensive?"

DaveAsprey: You'rechargingabout$400forthis?

JohnJaquish: At$429,yeah.

DaveAsprey: Allright,gooddeal.Icantellyou,Idon'thaveoneofthese.Itriedtheoriginalprototype,whichlookedalittledifferent,butitwasprettysimilar.Thiswasbackquiteawhileago,soI'mabouttogetoneofthesethings.Iguesswedohaveafinancialissue.You'regivingmeoneforfree,right?

JohnJaquish: Yes,Iam.

DaveAsprey: I'vebeenbought,guys,butIamtrulyimpressed.Ihavegearthatcostsupto$45grand.Actually,onepieceofgearis$130,000thatimprovesstemcellproductioninmylabsathome.I'mwillingto...

JohnJaquish: IthinkI'veseenit.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.I'mwillingto...That'stheCVAC,bytheway.I'mwillingtonot...Idriveapickuptruck,notsomesportscarorsomething.

JohnJaquish: I'vebeeninyourpickuptruck.

DaveAsprey: It'sanicetruck,butIputmyRandDdollarsintothingslikethis.Icantellyou,forthemoney,thisblowsmymusclesoutinawaythata$15,000ElectricalStemdoesn't,eventhoughI'mabigfanofElectricalStem,still.Ihavemultipletechnologiestodothis.Ialsolikethecomputer-drivenresistancethings.But,this,fortravelandforpeoplewhodon'thavealotofspace,orwantsomethingthat'smuchmoreeconomical,Ithinkthisabsolutelydeservesrealattentionasabiohackingdevice.That'swhyyou'rehere.Whatelsecanwetalkabout?Let'ssaythatsomeonedoesn'thaveaccesstotheX3andtheywanttoputonsomemusclerelativelyquicklyusingmoretraditionalstuff.TheyhaveachoiceofNautilusmachinesor24-hourkindofmachines,ortheyhaveachoiceofbarsorjumpropesorsomething.What'sthebestoption?

JohnJaquish: Yeah.Well,partofitisiftherewasaneasywaytoaccomplishthatobjectiveofvariableresistancereally,like,thehighestdegreelikewhatwe'redoing,iftherewasawaytodoit,Iwouldn'thavebotheredtobuildaproduct.Iwould'vejustadvocatedwhateverthatwas.

DaveAsprey: Whatifyou'vegot,like,theDougMcGuffbodyweightexercise,youknow,therealslowthingslikethat.Thatseemstobeeffectiveinasmalleramountoftime,atleastforaveragemuscles.Noone'susingthat,Ithink,tojustgetcompletelybodybuildergrade,butifwe'relookingatthatequation,whichishowdoIgetenoughinaminimalamountoftime?

JohnJaquish: Right.

DaveAsprey: Anyrecommendationsforthat?

JohnJaquish: There's...Withoutrecommendingsomuchgarbageoutthere...Thereissomuchbadadvice.

DaveAsprey: Let'ssayyou'vegotmaybebodyweightexercises.Imean,shouldIbedoingslowpushups,fastpushups?Giveme…whatIcandoontheroad.

JohnJaquish: Slowisalwaysbetterinanytypeofmovementbecauseyougetstabilityfiring.WhatItellpeoplewholiketobouncethebarofftheirchestwhentheydoabenchpress,orthey'rekindoftheCrossFitstylepullupswheretheylettheirbodyweightdropandthenbounceofftheirbiceptendonastheytryandjerkthemselvesbackup,youcanprobablytellbymytone,I'mnotabigfanofthat,thoughCrossFitisdoingaverygoodjobofcleaningthatkindofstuffup.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.Imean,it's-

JohnJaquish: Averygoodjob.

DaveAsprey: IwouldsaythattheCrossFittrainersthatI'vemetandworkedwith,they'reveryfocusedonform.

JohnJaquish: Thelasttwoyears...

DaveAsprey: Yeah.Let'sfaceit.Ifyou'rerunningCrossFitgymandyouaren'twellenoughtrainedtofocusonform,you'renotgonnarunasuccessfulgymbecausepeoplegetinjured.

JohnJaquish: Yeah,totally.

DaveAsprey: Butwhenyoutrainthemright,they'llbecomeverystrong,right?

JohnJaquish: Right,yeah.I'maCrossFitfan.Bodyweightexercises,I'mprobablymostlyafanofbalanceandstabilitytypestuff.IsaythistobodybuildersandImentionedafriendofmine,PhilHernon,whowasa1996Mr.USA.Awesomebodybuilder,herunsareallysuccessfulsupplementbusinessnow,andhe'sjustoneofthesereallymindfulindividualswhooffershishelptoaspiringathletesandbodybuildersbasicallyforfree,thoughhedoestrainsome...He'strainingafewofthetopbodybuildersrightnow,butheis...Jeez.Ilostmytrainofthought.Why'dIbringthatup?

DaveAsprey: Becausewe'relookingatwhatyoucoulddowithoutgear.

JohnJaquish: Oh,right.Phil,IsharedabunchofresearchthatIhadcomeacrossandthenastudythatgotpublishedlastyearinTheJournalofSteroidsandHormonalHealthwithHenryAlkire.Hewasmy...He'sinstrumentalinputtingtheseprojectstogether.Heworkswithme.Andso,IshowedPhilthisresearch.Thisgoesbackalittlebitfullcircletothevibration.So,stabilityfiring,stabilityfiringisoneoftheprimarymechanismsthattriggersgrowthhormone.That'swhatyou'rereallydoingonVibe.That'swhatyou'redoingwhenyoudoaoneleggedsquatandtryandbalanceyourselfwhenyouhavetostabilize.

Thisislikewhenyoudrawalineonapieceofpaperandyoudrawitreallyfast,it'seasytodrawitstraightbecauseyou'reusingmomentum.Whenyoudrawastraightlineveryslowlyacrossapage,that'sharderbecauseyou'reactuallyfiringstabilizingmusclestokeepthatlinestraight.That'sthewayyouneedtolookatyourliftingbecauseyoudon'twantjusttheprimaryactors...WhenI'mpushingsomethingawayfrommyself,it'snotjustmypectorals.It'sallthestabilizingfiringbecausenotonlyfromasafetyperspective,whenallthosestabilizersareenacted,they'reprotectingmefrominjury.

Butsecondarily,whenamusclefireswithoutyourintentionalactions,it'scalledaspinalreflex.Itmeansatendonismovingandyou'renotmovingit,sothebodyfiresthatmuscletoprotectallthejointsaroundit.Whenthathappens,whenthatspinalreflexfiringhappens,especiallyinarapidsuccession,growthhormonegoesup.Andso,HenryAlkireandIdidastudywherewelookedatall23differentdatasets,soit'sameta-analysis.Doeseverybodyknowwhatameta-analysisis?

DaveAsprey: I'mguessingmostlistenersdo,butincaseyoudon't,meta-analysisissomethingwhereresearcherslookatalloftheotherstudies,decidewhichonesareworthpayingattentiontoandlookandsay,wellthereare25studies,5ofthemwerecrap.The20thatwereanygood,thisiswhattheyfound.

JohnJaquish: Right,yeah,exactly,justrammingabunchofresearchtogetherandusingstatisticstodetermineabetteranswer.Also,ittakesalotofbiasesoutifyouhadonebiasedresearcherorsomebodywhowasmaybelookingatthewrongvariablesorsomething.

DaveAsprey: FundedbyMonsanto…

JohnJaquish: Right,right.

DaveAsprey: Whereyoujustlieblatantly.

JohnJaquish: So,23datasetsallcametothesameconclusion,whichwasstabilityfiringrapidlyincreasesgrowthhormone.

DaveAsprey: Sothiswouldimplythatifyou'reusingtheBulletproofVibe,youwouldwantto...Actually,well,thisiswhatIdidwhenIwasusingtheprototype.IwouldstandontheVibeandIwoulddotheexerciseswiththeprototype.Isthereavaluetodoingthat,orwasIjusttryingtodoubledunk'causeI'mlazy?

JohnJaquish: Itwasabsolutevalue.

DaveAsprey: Oh,okay.

JohnJaquish: Infact,ifyougothroughtheX312weekprogram,itgetsmoreandmoreaggressivenotonlywiththeheavinessofthebandthatyou'reusing'causethathasalottodowithstabilityfiring,too.Youdon'tneedastabilityfirewhenyoujuststandononefoot,butwhenyoustandononefootandthenyoubendyourotherkneesothatyourfemurisparalleltotheground,yougotalotofstabilityfiringtherebecausethat'stough.Sowedefinitelygothroughthat12weekprogram.We'reshiftingpeopletowardsthisstabilitybasedexercise.Westartwiththetwoleggedsquat,andthenpeoplemigratetoasplitsquatwheretheyjustbasicallyhaveatoeonthegroundbehindthem,andthey'reputtingthebandandtheygotthebaracrosstheirshoulderslikeafrontsquatloadedposition.Sothey'reputtingmassiveforcesthroughoneleg,butthecoreistotallylitup.Ifweweretodoelectronmyographyonthosemuscles,youwouldseefiring,justlikecrazythroughthewholecore,which,that'stremendous.That'sgonnaupregulategrowthhormone.

DaveAsprey: Allright.So,youwouldsuggestforpeoplewhoareexercisingwithoutX3,withoutanyspecialgear,withouttheBulletproofVibe,iftheycandothingsthatengagestabilizingmuscles,thesewouldbebodyweightexercises…

JohnJaquish: Oneleggedsquats,it's...IsaythistotrainersandtheylookatmelikeIhavetwoheads.Isay,"Doyoudotwoleggedsquatswithyourclients?"They'llsay,"Ofcourse.It'sthemostfunctionalexercise."Isay,"Oh,youmusttrainkangaroosbecausepeoplewalkononelegatatime."

DaveAsprey: Right.

JohnJaquish: Soweloseourbalance.Wegenerallydon'thavetwofeetfirmlyplantedontheground.Weloseourbalancewhenwehaveonefootontheground.Soitwouldmakethemostsensetotrainononefootatatime.Thatisnotwhatwedo,butit'sjust,there'salotofthingsthatwedon'tdothatarejustkindofthecommonpractice,whichis[crosstalk].

DaveAsprey: Alotofyourcareerhasbeenwhat'stheverybestwaytodothis?

JohnJaquish: Right.

DaveAsprey: Versusthewaywedoit.

JohnJaquish: ThatwastheimpetusbehindX3andOsteoStrong,samething.

DaveAsprey: That'swhyIliketohangoutwithyou'causeyou'reaperfectionist.

JohnJaquish: Awesome.

DaveAsprey: Allright.Let'sdotwomorethings.One,I'vegottaaskyouthequestionthatIaskeveryoneonBulletproofRadio.Thenforpeoplewhoarewatchingonvideo,let'sactuallyhavemedoacouplecurlsorsomethingjusttodemonstrate.

JohnJaquish: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: I'velostsomeofmygainsfromtheSARMs,whichhappenswhenyoustopusingSARMs,butitwasstillafunexperiment,butI'mstillreasonablystrong.ButIjustwanttoplayaroundwiththething.Domeafavor,don'tblowmeoutbecauseI'minterviewingtwooftheworld'stopspiritualandmeditationmastersafterthisattheBeUnlimitedevent,soIdon'twanttogotosleepwhenwe'redone,sowe'lljustdoalightworkout.

JohnJaquish: Okay.

DaveAsprey: Butbeforethen,andthat's...I'mnotsurewe'llputthatontheradioshow,butthat'llbeonbulletproof.com/iTunes.Sorry.Bulletproof.com/YouTubeiswhereyougoforthatjusttogetalinktoallthechannel.Andthen,letmeaskyouthequestion.Ifsomeonecametoyoutomorrowandsaid,John,basedoneverythingyouknowinyourlife,exercise,physiology,bioengineering,andnot,whatarethethreemostimportantpiecesofadviceyou'dhaveformeifItold

youIwanttoperformbetterateverythingasahumanbeing?Threemostimportantthings.Whatarethey?

JohnJaquish: Well,onewouldbe...Thefirstone,actually,wouldbetheorderthatwejustwentthroughthem.Bemindfulofbonedensity,andImentionedFractureProofisagoodwaytofigureoutifyouarecapableofhittingthegroundandfunctionallyswitchingonbonedensity.

DaveAsprey: That'saniPhoneapp?

JohnJaquish: That'saniPhoneapp,right.

DaveAsprey: Okay,sotellpeoplewatchyourbonedensity.Thatactuallycouldsoundlikeyou'relike,okay,bonedoesn'tmattersomuch,butthereasonforthatwouldbethatbonedensitydrivesalmosteverythingelseinthebody.

JohnJaquish: Right.It'sthechassisthatyourenginesitson.

DaveAsprey: Gotit.

JohnJaquish: Addressingbonedensityisanabsolutekeytoperformance.

DaveAsprey: Cool.

JohnJaquish: Andthat'sintosomethingthatTonyRobbins,likewhenhelookedatmytalktrack,howIwouldgonotjustspeakatmedicalconferences,'causeIdothat,it'sverydifferent.Igottareallypresentthedata,notbesoexcitedasIamtoday.Theywon'treally[crosstalk].

DaveAsprey: Doctorsgetpissedwhenyou'rehappy.It'sweird.

JohnJaquish: Yeah,yeah,yeah.Well,theydon'twantanyonewho'spromoting,soIunderstand.Theywantthedata,andtheywanttomaketheirowndecision.

DaveAsprey: Yeah.

JohnJaquish: Ifthey'reexcited,that'sfine.It'shavinganeyetowardsbonedensityandthenbuildingit.

DaveAsprey: Allright.

JohnJaquish: Sothere'stwodifferentwaystodothat.

DaveAsprey: Thatwouldbethefirstthingyouwouldrecommend,though,justintermsofthethreethings?

JohnJaquish: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: Allright,sohaveastrongchassis'causethatmattersalot.What'sthenextmostimportantthingforpeople,justtheywanttoperformbetter,notjustinthegym,butjustinlife?

JohnJaquish: Variableresistance.Forexample,iflikearealeasywaytogetsomevariableresistancegains,ifyou'reaguywhoreallydoesn'tdoanytypeofexercise,getinapushupposition.Startdoingpushups.Whenyoucan'tdothem,droptoyourknees,putyourkneesagainsttheground,pushawayfromyourself.Sonowyou'redoingtheuppartofthepushupwithyourknees.Thenwhenyougettothetop,liftyourkneesupandgiveyourselfthenegativeofyourwholebodyweight.

DaveAsprey: Okay,sojusttheloweringpart?

JohnJaquish: Right,soyou'rebasicallycheatingthrough...Theycallitcheating.Ihatethatbecause...

DaveAsprey: Ilovecheating.It'sgreat.

JohnJaquish: Well,it'slikeabiohackforhowtogettoagreaterlevelofexhaustion.LikeIsaid,thegreatertheexhaustion,thegreatertheeffect.

DaveAsprey: Okay.

JohnJaquish: Soyou'reexhaustingyourself,you'reforcingreps.

DaveAsprey: That'saneathack,okay.

JohnJaquish: Yeah.Youdroptotheknees,pushyourselfup,liftyourkneesup,andtheninthenegative,intheconcentricmotion,yougetyourwholebodyweight,andthendoitagain.Doithowevermanytimesyoucandoituntilabsolutefatigue,andyou'llseejustatinylittlebitofwhatX3cando,butthat'svariableresistance.You'rechangingtheresistance.

DaveAsprey: Sostrongchassiswouldbenumberone.Numbertwowouldbetoswitchitupsoyougetthevariableresistance.Allright,thirdmostimportantthingyoucoulddotobeahighperformancehuman?

JohnJaquish: Stability.

DaveAsprey: Allright.

JohnJaquish: Thisisoneleggedsquats.Thisisbuyingabalanceboardwhileyou'rewatchingyourfavoriteTVshow.

DaveAsprey: Juststandonthebalanceboard?

JohnJaquish: You'rewatchingOrangeIstheNewBlack,andyouputthebalanceboardinfrontofyou,andyoujuststandonitandletyourstabilizerskeepyouthere.Youdon'tevenhavetothinkaboutit.Thesearemuscles...Thisisexactlywhat'sgoingononvibration.Thehormonaleffectsofstabilityfiring,like,thedatasetsweren'tallonwholebodyvibrationplatforms.Theywereinalldifferenttypesofdifferentthings.Oneofthemwasjust,like,aprecursortestforsomeonewhowouldputaprecursoronanAchillestendon.IthinkitwastheAchilles,oneofthetendons,andforcingthemusclefirebecauseyou'realteringthelengthofthetendon.Sofiringinspinalreflextoprotectthejoint,butithadthehormonaleffect.

DaveAsprey: Gotit.Soforpeoplewhowanttobehighperformance,haveastrongchassis,getvariableresistance,andthenbemorestable.Thesehaveacombinationofneurologicalandhormonaleffectsthatjustgenerallymakeyoustronger,moreenergetic,thingslikethat,okay.Beautifulanswer.

JohnJaquish: Yeah.

DaveAsprey: Allright.You'vebeenlisteningtoJohnJaquish,whoisafounderandcreatorofX3andOsteoStrong.Iguess,withOsteoStrong,Idon'tknowifyou'reafounder,butyou'reamedicaldirector.

JohnJaquish: No,no,no,I'mnot.TheyhadstartedbeforemeandI...

DaveAsprey: You're,MedicalDirector,Ithinkisyourtitle?

JohnJaquish: IamtheDirector...

DaveAsprey: Jeez.Lookatyourarms.That'sinsane.Allright.

JohnJaquish: The...Whatismytitlethere?It'sMedicalandScientificAdvisoryBoard.

DaveAsprey: Thereyougo.Iwouldencourageyouto,ifyou'reinterestedinthisstuff,youjustlearnedhowtodoapushupthatgivesyousomeofthesebenefits.Ifyou'reabiohackerandthingslikethat,youmightwanttocheckouttheX3.Nomatterwhoyouare,OsteoStrongis,Ithink,goingtobeareallybiggamechangerbecauseit'ssuchasmallamountoftimeforareallybigthing.Allright.Let'sofficiallyendtheshowforpeoplewhoaredriving,unlesswhenyougettowork,youwanttogotobulletproof.com/YouTubeandthenyoucanseemegettingmyasskickedbytheX3.We'lljustdosomecurlsrealquicksoyoucanseewhatthegearlookslike.

JohnJaquish: Nice,allright.

DaveAsprey: Attheendoftheshow,JohnandIwerechattingandhejustdecidedhe'sgoingtooffera10%discountcodetopeoplewhowanttogivethisatrywhoareBulletprooffans,probablybecausehe'saBulletprooffanandjustbecause,well,

wedidthisonthefly.SoifyouwanttousecodeBulletproofontheX3bar.comwebsiteandsave10%togivethisthingatry,hey,that'scool.Itsavesyouabout$42.90orsomething,hey,thereyougo,whichissupercool.Sogivethisthingatryifyouwanttosavesometimeonexercise,ornot.It'sacoolthing.Whenyoutryit,you'llseewhatI'mtalkingabout.