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PATIENT CASE STUDY 1

RanchoBernardo: Hi,Julie.Howareyou?

Patient1: Hi.Great.

RanchoBernardo: Thankyouforbeingwithustoday.

Patient1: Pleasure.

RanchoBernardo: Yousufferedfrom...

Patient1: Glutensensitivity.

RanchoBernardo: Glutensensitivity.Dr.Tomwasabiginfluenceonyouroverallhealth.

Patient1:[00:01:00]

Yes.Iwasjuststartingmyjourneyfrombeingaconventionallytrained,registereddietitiantobecomingacertifiedclinicalnutritionistandlearningaboutrealnutrition.IwasfortunateenoughtogotoDr.Tomasapatientfirst.Iwasn'tfeelingverywell,hadn'tbeenfeelingverywell.Hadtriplets,working,lotsofdifferentthings.Dr.Tomwastheonewhodidthetestingandtoldme,"Julie,youareseverelygluten-intolerant.Alsodairyandsomeothercross-reactivefoods.Ifyoudon'tchangethat,thisisyounow,andthisishowyou'regoingtolookin20years."Itjusthadaprofoundeffectonme,onmyfamily,andthenasaresult,Iwentontopositivelyaffectsomanyofmyclients.Iworkwithprofessionalathletesinmybusiness,sojustprofoundeffect.

RanchoBernardo: Howdidglutenaffectyourlifewhenyouweresufferingfromthat?

Patient1: Howdidglutenaffectmylifeinparticular?

RanchoBernardo: Yeah.

Patient1: Basicallydigestiveissues,fatigueIwouldsay,andthenthyroidproblemswithmythyroidthatwerenotdiagnosed.

RanchoBernardo: Theyweremisdiagnosed?

Patient1: Notdiagnosedatall.

RanchoBernardo: Doctorscouldn'tfigureout.

Patient1: Right.

RanchoBernardo: HowdidyoucomeaboutfindingDr.Tomandgoingfromtheretodiagnoseyourglutenissue?

Patient1:[00:02:00]

IbelieveImetDr.TomatoneofmysessionswhileIwasbecomingacertifiedclinicalnutritionist.Dr.TomisalsoaCCN.IthinkIheardhimtalk.WhenIfirstheardhimtalk,heremindedmesomuchofDr.Bland,whoishowIfirstlearnedaboutrealnutritionandbiochemistryandnutrition.Iwenttoaconference,andIheardDr.Tom.I'mlike,"Ohmygosh,thisguyiswhoIneedtolearnfrom,aswellaswhoIneedtoseemyself."That'showitstarted.HewasinIllinoisatthetime,andthat'swhereI'mfrom.



[00:03:00] AsaresultoflearningthatIwasglutensensitive,andreallymakingtheconnectionbetweenhowyou'refuelingyourbody,whatyou'refuelingyourbodywith,andhowyou'refeelingandhowyou'reperforming,inmyownpersonallifeandinmyfamilylife,thenItookthattomyprofessionalcareer,whichisasaprofessionalsportsnutritionist.Iworkwithtopsportsathletesacrossthecountry,andinparticularinChicago.I'mtheteamnutritionistfortheChicagoBlackhawks.Asaresult,intermsofwhatwefeedtheplayersbefore,during,andafter,wedefinitelyfocusonarealfoodsdiet,whichwouldbepremiumfuelasnatureintended,whichwouldbedefinitelygluten-free.Theseguys,youwanttodoeverythingyoucantoenhanceperformance,andremovingglutenandotherinflammatoryfoodsfromthedietisjustcriticalandabigpiece.

RanchoBernardo: Howlongdidittakeforyoutofindoutthatyouweregluten-intolerantbeforeyoumetTom?

Patient1:[00:04:00]

Ididn'treallyknowthatIwasgluten-intolerantbeforeImetTom.I'vebeenlearningaboutit.AsIsaid,Iwasaveryconventionallytraineddietitian,soIwasactuallyrecommendingwholegrainbagelsandpastatomyathletes.WhenIstartedlearningaboutrealfoodandtheincredibleeffectoffoodonperformanceandondiet,andIlearnedaboutthetestingthatIwasdone.TomdidaCyrexlab,oneofthefirsttimesitwasavailable.ItwassomebloodtestingthatIdid.

RanchoBernardo: Howhasyourdiagnosispositivelyaffectedyourendresultfrombeinggluten-intolerant?

[00:05:00]Patient1:

Asaresultofknowinghowglutenaffectsme,I'vedonealotofworkovertheyearsintermsofhealingmygutandotherthingsthatarenecessary.It'snotjustgluten.Youhavetolookatthegut.It'stheeffectofglutenonthegut,amongotherthings.ItbasicallyhaschangedhowIeat,howmychildreneat,howmyfamilieseat,andwhatIgivetomyathletes.Also,mypeers.Italkalotabout...Alotofpeoplesaygluten'safad.Youreallyneedtolookintothisfurther,becausethesciencesupportstheeffectthatglutenhasonyourhealthandyourautoimmunity,etc.,isprofound.Youjustneedtoreadthoseresearchstudies.

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ThemoreIlearn,themoreIrealizeIjustdon'tknowanything.IstudyandIstudy.WhatIhavelearnedfrompeoplesuchasDr.TomO'Bryanisthatallchronicillnessrelatestoautoimmunity,whichrelatestochronicinfections,etc.Whatwereallyneedtodoinordertolivethelifethatwewanttoliveistofindafunctionalmedicinehealthpractitionertohelpusnavigateandtobewell,tobethebestthatwecanbe.

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TOM O’BRYAN, DC, CCN, DACBN

“I have seen too much su� ering. And it’s unnecessary su� ering. After traveling the globe and interviewing some of the brightest medical minds on the planet, it is clear that there are simple options that can reduce and sometimes end the struggles of millions of people. It has been my dream to bring

these simple solutions to you and your loved ones so you can live long and vibrant lives � lled with joy and hope. � ank

you for making this dream a reality.” Dr. Tom O’Bryan

Dr. O’Bryan is considered a ‘Sherlock Holmes’ for chronic disease and metabolic disorders. He is a clinician par excellence in treating chronic disease and metabolic disorders from a Functional Medicine Perspective. He holds Adjunct Faculty positions with the Institute for Functional Medicine and the National University of Health Sciences. He has trained thousands of practitioners around the world in advanced understanding of the impact of food related disorders and the development of individual autoimmune diseases.

You’re about to go on an exciting journey of a lifetime as you discover truth about how you can achieve optimal health in this disease ravaged world we all live in today. In this Gold edition of Betrayal you’re going to witness the full-length interviews, which have not been screened to the public. Just one interview may hold the pearl for you in your health quest. You’ll be gaining life saving information from world renowned experts, including doctors, scientists and researchers who will be revealing detailed information into their specific areas of expertise behind the true contributors to autoimmune diseases as well as the patients who have arrested their own autoimmune disease. Our prayer is that this information guides you both in prevention and the way to reverse these terrible conditions the vast majority of people have been told they have to live with.

To deliver you Betrayal: The Autoimmune Disease Solution They’re Not Telling You, Dr. Tom O’Bryan teamed up with renowned film/documentary director and producer, Jonathan Otto who has dedicated his life to 'telling the truth' through film, harnessing the power of personal stories. As you gather vital information in these revealing interviews with experts, you will also be touched on a personal level and be able to feel hope as you journey into the lives of others as they bear their heart and soul. As you learn this breathtaking information to protect your health, each expert will guide you into a path of health and happiness.


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Patient2: MynameisMonste.IwasdiagnosedwithHashimoto’sThyroiditis15yearsago,whenIwas24

yearsold.ThedayIwasdiagnosedIrememberfairlywellbecausewhenIsawmybloodtestresultsthereweresomefiguresthatwereextremelyhigh.Iwasreallyanxious,soIaskedthedoctor,"What'sthisplease",andsherepliedtome,"Lookyouhaveanillness,anautoimmunecondition.It'schronicandit'sprogressive.It'snotveryimportantwhatyoucando,youjustneedtotakethepill."

[00:01:00] Iwasputonhormonereplacementofthyroidhormonesandthatwasall.AtthattimeIweighed20kilosmore,Iwasrealexhausted,Icouldn'tfocus,Icouldn'tconcentrate.Itwasreallyhardformetogotowork.Towakeupeverymorningitwasreallyaroughtime.BytheendofthedayIwasfeelingreally,reallyexhausted,butatthesametimeitwasreallydifficulttofallasleepandtokeepasleep.Istartedtoinvestigateotherways.Istartedwithseveraldifferenttherapies.Iwasquitefrustratedbecausemostofthemdidn'twork.Whatchangedwas5yearsagoIstartedtoinvestigatemoreonfoodandhowfoodaffectsthewayIfeelandhowfoodaffectsbycondition.

[00:02:00] Idiscovered[inaudible00:02:02],Idiscovered[inaudible00:02:04]inthegluten[inaudible00:02:05]andthenitwaslikeaclick.ItwaslikeokaynowIunderstand.Icanstarttoputtogetherthedifferentpiecesandtoseethattheproblemisnotthispartofmybody,butit'sthewholebody,thatit'scompletely[inaudible00:02:28]it.Myimmunesystemisnotworkingproperly,sothat'swhatIhavetocorrect,notonlytakehormonestoreplacemythyroidthat'snotworkingproperly.

[00:03:00] Atthatmoment,myfeelingwasokaysothereishopebecausebeforethereisnohope.Theonlyhopewasokaythisiswhatitisanditjustmadeitalittlebitbettersomedaysoritmaygetreallyworse,soformeitwasveryimportanttounderstandwhatwasbehindwhatwashappeningandwhatwerethefoodsthatwereperpetuatingthestateofinflammation.OnceIstartedtochangethingsIlostalotofweight,Istartedtofeelmoreenergetic,Icouldsleepbetter,andIevenchangedmyprofession.

[00:04:00]

IquitmylastjobandIstartedtoworkasadietitiantohelppeoplelikemethataresufferingthisillnessandtogivethemalittlebitofhopeandideasonhowtoimprove.Whatmakesmereallyangryiswhentheytellyouthatyoucannotdoanythingtoimproveandthat'sabsolutelynottruebecausewhatI'vediscoveredwithmyselfandalsowithmypatientsisthatyoucandoalotofthings.Itmakesmereallyangrythatdoctorsjustdon'tmaketheconnectionbetweenhowthepersonfeelsandwhatthepersoneats.

[00:05:00]

Forme,thisconnectioniscrucialbecauseithasmadealotofdifferenceinmylife.Ithaschangedeverything,butuntilI[inaudible00:04:27]Ididn'tknowhowtodoit,soIwaslost.NowthatIhavealltheinformationI'mabletofeelbetter,tofunctionbetter,tohavealotofhopethat'sjustgoingtobebetterandbetter.Also,it'sagreatfeelingbecausenowIknowIcanhelpmypatientsbecauseI'vebeengettingalltheinformationfromthetrialandfromDr.TomO’Bryan.Itwascrucialtomeethim.

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Iwantyoutoknowthatthereishope.Ifyouarefeelingbad,ifyouarereallyupsetandtiredandexhaustedyoucandomanythingstochangethesituationIwaslikethatsomeyearsago.WiththechangesI'vemadeinwhatIeatandalsotounderstandhowmyimmunesystemworks,andtostartchangingthingsinmylifetofeelbetter,nowI'mabletofeelgreat.I'vebeenabletochangemyprofession,soformeit'scrucialtohavetheopportunitytohavealltheinformationcollected.Likewith[inaudible00:05:43],watchingalltheinterviews,alltheexperiencesthatarebehindthat,allthathugeeffortthathasbeendonetoputallthisinformationtogether,allintheone,sameplaceforyoutobeabletoknowallyoucandotoimprovebecauseittookmemanyyears



tohave1/10oftheinformationthat'sgoingtobegivenhereandtheinformationI'vebeengivingtomypatientsatmyoffice.

It'sjustalittlebit,butnowinordertogrow,bothasaprofessionalandtofeelbettermyselfasapatient,IknowIhavetowatchtheBetrayalSeries,soIwillencourageyoutowatchtheBetrayalSeriesbecauseitcanchangeyourlife.Itcangiveyoualltheinformationyouneedtostartchangingthingsandtofeelbetterprogressively.Forme,ithasbeengreattoknowallthethingsIknowthankstoDr.TomO’Bryan,soI'msurethatifyouwatchtheBetrayalSeriesitcanmakeahugedifferenceinyourlifeorinthelifeofyourlovedonesthataresufferingfromimmuneconditions.


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PATIENT CASE STUDY 3 JonathanOtto: Donna,I'minterestedinknowingwhatyouexperienced.Whatitisthatyouweresufferingfrom,

andthenwhatyouwentthroughasaresultofthat.Canyoutellmeaboutthat?

Patient3: Well,IcametoDr.OsbornebecauseIwaslosingalotofhairatanalarmingrate.Ihadtriedalotofthings.Ihadtriedtakingthehairvitamins,Ihadtriedtakingtheshampoosandconditionersthatweremeantforthinninghair.Nothingwasworking.Iwenttomynormaldoctor,andhesaidIwasinperfecthealth,andIjustneededtotakeRogaine,andthattherereallywasn'tanythingIcoulddo,itwashereditary.

[00:01:00]

Ifoundadermatologistthatdealtwithhairloss,soIwenttoher,andshecheckedmyferritinlevels,andtheywerebelownormal.Ihadalreadybeentakingiron,butshegavemeaprescriptioniron,andItookitforlikeeightmonths,andweretested,andbarelybudged.Ijustwasn'tabsorbingit.Shethoughtmaybemythyroidcouldbeanissue,becausemynumberswereborderlineandsuggestedmaybeIneededtogetonSynthroid.

Well,youknow,totakeamedicinethatIwouldtakefortherestofmylifebasedonaguesswasn'tsomethingIwantedtodo.Iwantedtofindoutwhat'swrong,becausesomethingwaswrong.Myhaircontinuedtofallout,itwasthinenoughtowhereyoucouldseemyscalp,andI'dbecombingmyhairjustsotocoverthoseareasandsprayingitwithhairspraysoitwouldstaythereandtrytocover.Evenwiththat,Ihadsomebodytellmethat,"Oh,there'sthisstuffyoucansprayonyourhairthatwillcover,youknow,clingtoyourhairsoyouwon'tseethebaldspots."

[00:02:00] Anyway,soIstartedgettingonthewebandtryingtofindout,well,whatelsecouldIdoformythyroid?WhatelsecanIdo?IranacrossaYouTubevideothatDr.Osbornehadmade.HehastheseWebWellnessUniversitypodcasts,andthiswasonthethyroid,becauseIhadbeensearchingforthyroidinformation.Hewasexplaining,howdoesathyroidwork?Whatdoesathyroidneed?Eachstepofthewayofhowitworks,anditneedsthesenutrients,andifitdoesn'thavethosenutrients,whathappens?Iwasreallyexcitedtoseethisinformation,becauseIdidn'thearthisanywhereelse.Ithought,thisisthedoctorIwanttogoto.

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Ihadfriends,I'daskedthemtoprayforme,"Helpmetofindthedoctorwhocanhelpmewiththis."Ilookedandhe,Icoulddrivehereinthirtyminutestohisoffice.SoIwasrealexcited,Icalledtheoffice,madeanappointment,andcametoseehim.Hedidtesting,hetestedforglutensensitivity,hetestedfornutrients.WasIdeficientinanynutrients?Hetestedforfoodallergies,theIgEandthedelayedresponseallergies.Wetestedmyguthealth,andwetestedforiodineandforheavymetals.

[00:04:00]

Itcameback,Ihadleakygut,Iwasglutensensitive,hadthreeoutofthefourgeneticmarkers,whichwasprobablywhyIhadtheleakygut,becauseI'dbeendamagingmygut.Ihadlotsoffoodallergies,wasdeficientiniodine,sothatwouldaffectmythyroid.Ofcourse,theleakygutwouldkeepmefromabsorbingthingsIneeded,liketheiron.Anyway,westartedonaprotocol,changedmydiets,supplementedandtreatedthedysbiosisinmygutandbegantoseeresults.Resultsformyhair,whichiswhatIcameinfor,butalsoresultsforthingsthatIhadjustlivedwith,thatIjustthoughtwereapartofmylife.That'sjustthewayIam,mydadhadarthritis,soI'mgoingtohavearthritis.

Ihadrestlesslegsyndrome,whichformostofmylifethatIcanremember.Youknow,youtrytotakeaplaneride,andyouhavetroublegettingcomfortable.Yougotothetheater,youtrytogetcomfortable,andyourlegsjustfeelliketheyhavetomove.Ofcourse,sleepingatnight,allthesedifferentthings,Ijustthought,there'snocureforthis.Iaskedadoctoraboutitbefore,and



there'slittlewives'talesofthingsyoucoulddo,butnosolution.Loandbehold,itwentaway.ImarkedthedateonmycalendarthelasttimeIrememberedhavingitbothermeonaplaneride,andafterthat,itwasjustgone.

[00:05:00] Thatwasrealexciting.IhadhadheadachesforaslongasIcouldremember,probablyatleastoneaweek,oftenmore.Theywentaway.Idon'thaveanyheadachesanymore,unlessIhadanaltitudesickness.Wewentupto11,000feetandIdidgetaheadachethen,becauseIwasdehydrated,andthingslikethat,butIdon'tgetheadachesanymore.It'slikeapartofmypast.

[00:06:00]

Ihadskincondition,myfingersandtoesandmyheelswerejustalwayspeeling,anditwaskindofembarrassing.Ididn'twanttowearsandals,andthatclearedup.Partofmyhairissuewasprobablymyseborrheicdermatitis,andmydoctorsaidthatthatcouldhavecontributedtomyhairloss,andithasclearedup.There'sjustallthesethingsthatIdidn'tknowcouldbehelpedandchangingmydietandfixingthesenutritionaldeficiencieshelpedallthesethings.Idon'thavejointpain,Idon'thavetherestlesslegsyndrome,Idon'thaveheadaches,Idon'thaveskinissues,andIjustreallycameinbecauseIwantedmyhairtostopfallingout.

JonathanOtto: That'sawesome,that'sawesome.Nowtogothroughallofthat,foryou,whatwasthemostpainfulpointofthatexperience?

Patient3: [00:07:00]

Iguessthemostpainfulpointwouldbejust,themostpainfulpointwasdealingwiththefactthatI'mawomanandI'mlosingmyhair.It'sonethingforaguytobelosingtheirhair,becausethat'sfairlycommon,butforawoman,it'sasignofbeingunhealthy,it'sasignthatsomethingiswrongwithyou.It'snothingthatyoucanreallycoverup,Iguessunlessyouworeawig,butyou'reondisplayasbeingapersonwho,you'rejustnotaveryhealthyperson.Somethingiswrongwithyou.TherewasnothingIcoulddoaboutit.Icouldn'tonmyownfindanythingtodoaboutit.

Thatwastomethemostpainfulpart,andthefactthatIcouldgotoadoctorwhocouldtellmethatIwasinperfecthealthwhenmyhairisjustfallingout.I'dgotogetmyhaircut,andtheguyisjustshakingmyhairoffofhisfingers,andthat'snotthestuffthathecutbutthestuffthat'spullingoutwhilehe'scombingmyhair.

JonathanOtto: Embarrassing?

Patient3: [00:08:00]

It'sveryembarrassing.Youknow,it'syourimage,yourself-imageof,thefaceyoupresenttotheworld,andtoknowthatnobodyhadanyanswersforme.Youknow,justthatfeelingoflosinghopethatIcandoanything.IguessthatwouldbethemostpainfulpartandwhyIwaslookingforanswers.

JonathanOtto: Wasthatrelatedtohypothyroidism?

Patient3: [00:09:00]

Itmostlikelywas,becausewhen,partoftheprotocolthatwewentthroughwastofixmythyroidandtohelpittoworkproperly.Iimaginethathadtobeoneofthecontributorstofixingmyhairproblem.Andofcoursetheironaswell,butIthinkthere'sprobablyalotofthingsthatcouldgointoit.Ithinkalotoftimeswetalkaboutwhenwe'rehavinganissue,weseeanissueatourweaklink,anditseemslikemaybemyhairwasmyweaklink,whereitwasshowingupthat,"Hey,there'saproblem,youdon'treallyneedyourhair,sowe'renotgoingtoworryaboutholdingontothathair.We'regoingtoletitgo,"becausemybodyisfocusingontryingtogeteverythingelsetorunright.

Oncewestartedfixingtheotherissues,thenmyhairsaid,okay,ormybodysaid,"Okay,wecannourishyourhairnow."I'mnotreallysure,butdefinitelyoneofthesymptomsoflowthyroidishairloss.Ihadotherlowthyroidsymptomsaswell.Ihadthedryskinandcoldallthetime.Iwas,justneverwentanywherewithoutasweater.Inthesummertime,ofcourse,youhavetoworrytheaboutaircondition,andinthewintertime,I'dmakesuretobundleupmorethananybody



else,becauseIwasalwayscold.Thatwasdefinitelyasymptomoflowthyroidaswell.Allofthosethingsarebetter,Idon'tcarryasweatereverywhereIgoanymore.

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Ievenreallyhadanissuewithmyvoice.Ithought,well,asI'mgettingolder,Ijustcan'tsingaswell.Therearecertainnotesthathadtroublecomingout,andallofasudden,Irealized,Icansingthosenotesagain.Ithinktherewassomethingwithmythyroidthat,oncewestarteddoingallthis,itwashealing,anditprobablywasn'taffectingmyvocalchordsanymore.Again,somethingthatwasunexpected,anexpectedbenefit.

JonathanOtto: …Cool,Iloveyourstory,it'sperfect.Thentogetthosethingsbackagainforyou,I'mthinkingabouttheBibleversesonthewomanwiththehairinCorinthians.

Patient3: Howherhairishercovering?

JonathanOtto: Yeah,Ithinkaboutthat,andIthinkthat,becauseit'slikePaulissayingit'sashameforamantohavelonghair,butforawomanit'sasignofblessingoverher.It'slikeacoveringoverher.He'sbasicallysaying,forawomanit'sbeautiful,butforamanit'skindoflikeodd.

Patient3: Yes.

JonathanOtto: [00:13:00]

Thenhe'slikeningittoabonnetorsomething,anactualthingthatit'scovered,butthenhe'ssayingthathairactsascovering.It'ssomething,it'ssomething,it'sobviouslyconnectedtothefemininebeauty,right?

Patient3: Yes.

JonathanOtto: Ithinkthatwithyourexperience,didyoufeellike,I'mlosingmyhair,I'mnot,likeIknowyouhadyouridentityinGod.Isensethat,butthentoloseyourhair,didyoufeelthatphysically,thatphysicalpartmadeitharderforyoutofeellikeyou'rebeautifulasawoman?

Patient3: Definitelyyes.

JonathanOtto: What'sthatlike?

Patient3: [00:14:00]

Weliveinaworldthatjudgesyousomuchbyyourexternalappearance,andgettingolderofcoursemakesitharder,butthenalsolosingyourhairis,it'sjustawholelot,Ithinkforawoman,herhairisabigpartofherfacetotheworld.Whenit'sfallingout,it's,itjustmakesyoufeellikeyoudon'tmeasureupinsomeways.Youknowthatpeopleareseeingitandthinkingthingsaboutyou,maybe.

JonathanOtto: Youthoughtthat,you'rewonderingwhatpeoplearethinkingaboutyou.

Patient3: [00:15:00]

Yeah,Imean,partofwhatIdoisuponaplatform,andtherearecameras.Fortunately,notusuallyonme,butIknowthat'sabigpartofthisministry,andIknowthattheycareabouthowpeoplelook.Theywanttoputforththisgoodimage,andIthought,Icouldn'tbeoneofthosepeople.Theywouldnotwantmetobeoneofthosepeoplethatthecamerafocusesinon,becauseofmyhair.Maybeeverythingelsewouldbeokay,butmyhairwouldjustlooktoobad.

I'mnotsayingIwouldn'tbeinthepositionwheretheywould,Iwoulddothatanyway,butIjustknewthatthatwouldbeaqualificationthatIwouldn'thave.


Ithinkthatforme,thethingthatIfeel,Ifeelwhatyou'resayingisbecauseIfeelthatforyoutojusthavethisfeelingof,"I'vegottohide,"it'snotright.

Patient3: Evenathome,Iwantmyhusbandtolookatmeandsay,"You'rebeautiful."Iwanthimtobeproudtosay,"She'smywife."Yourhairisjustabigpartofwhatyoulooklike,andIwouldloveto



beabletowearmyhairlong,Iknowhewouldlovethat,butI'mstillworkingongettingitthickenoughtowhereitwouldlookgoodlong,butitisgettingbetter.

JonathanOtto: Yourhairisbeautiful.

Patient3: Oh,well,thankyou.

JonathanOtto: It'sthick,itis.

Patient3: Well,it'sgettingthere,it'simprovingandIdon'thavebaldspotsthatIhavetocoverupanymore,andthat'sexciting.


You'reinasituationwherethingsaresomuchdifferentnow,likeyou'vegot,Imean,lookat,yourhairlooksbeautiful.That'swhy,Imean,thinkaboutit,you'rewillingtocomeinheretodayandspeakaboutit.Thatisa"I'mnotgoingtohideanymore"statement.Right?

Patient3: Yes.

JonathanOtto: AndI'mgoingtotelltheworld,becauseIdon'twantotherwomentofaceit,Idon'twantothermentofacethis.That'syourmessage?

Patient3: Yes.Iwouldwantotherwomentoknowthatthereareanswers,thatyoudon'thavetojustgotakeRogaine,whichofcourseyouhavetocontinuetotakeforever,ifitworksforyou,thenyoucan'teverstopusingit.It'sjusttreatingasymptom,it'snottreatingwhattheproblemis.Toletpeopleknowthatthereareotherthingsbesideseithergivinguphopeorusingachemicalonyourhairthatcouldhaveothersymptomsthatyoudon'twant.Yeah,hopeisagoodword.

[00:18:00] IgaveareviewonDr.Osborne'sbook,andIsaid"hope-giving,"becausealltheinformationinthebook,similartowhatIreceivedintheoffice,Ifeellikeitgavemehope.Itchangedmylife,andthehairwasjustthestartofit,becausethereweresomanyotherthingsthatIbenefitedfromaswell.

JonathanOtto: Yeah,well,therealityisthattherewasjustawarninglightgoingoffinthecarthatwassaying,"Changethebattery,oilneedschanging."Allthese,thebuttonsweregoingoff.Thehairwasoneofthosethings.Youkeepdrivingthecarwhenthelightsareonforlongenough,andthenyouendupactuallydestroyingthecarforgood.Ithinkalotofpeoplehadthathappenatsomepoint,especiallywhenIwasayoungerguy,Iwas,itwaseasytodestroycars,becauseIwouldn'theedthesignals.

[00:19:00] IthinkIdestroyedonecar,almost,itwasreallyclose,butyoucouldhavebeenheadedforareallybigdisaster.Imean,lookattheriseincancerrates,lookatthecripplingautoimmunediseases,someofwhichyouwerefacing,andhowwhentheyprogress,theycangettoastatewherethey'revery,verydifficulttodealwithandsoforth.Foryou,tellmeabout,tellmeaboutwhatitwasliketogetthingsbetteragain.Whatdidyoudofirst,tellmeaboutwhatyoudid,whatprotocolsdidyouuse,howdidyougetbetter?

Patient3: [00:20:00]

Well,first,knowingthatI'mglutensensitive,Ihadtoeliminateglutenfrommydiet.Dr.Osbornerecommendsallgrains,becausetherearesomanydetrimentalpropertiestoallthegrains,pluscontamination.Almostayearandhalfago,Igaveupallgrains,andthenIhadtoalsoeliminateallthefoodsthatIturnedouttobeallergictothatwerecausinginflammatoryresponses.Therewerequiteafewthings,andsomeofthemwereverydifficult,becausethey'resoubiquitous.Butwedidthat.

Ofcourse,westartedtreatingthegutrightaway,healingprotocoltogetridofagutinfectionandtohealtheleakygut,whichwouldhelpmetoabsorbthenutrientsthatIwasdeficientin,thatI



wasingesting,butifyoucan'tabsorbthem,theydon'tdoyouanygood.Wehadtofixthat,sothatIcouldstartabsorbingthenutrientsIneededtostartfixingmybody.TakingsupplementswasimportantbecauseIwasdeficientinsomanythingsthatwerereallynecessary,especiallytheiodine,Ithink,andtheiron.

[00:21:00] Otherthingsaswell.VitaminB12wassoimportant,andIwaslowinthat.Glutamineforthegut,Iwasactuallypre-diabeticatthatpointbecauseIhadabadglucoseinsulinreaction,butIwasalsolowinchromium,sowesupplementedwithchromium.Thathelpedalotbecausechromiumissonecessaryforthatprocess.Mydadisdiabetic,Ididn'twanttoenduplikehim.Definitelycutdownthesugarandeliminatedotherproblemfoods.

Alsochangedotherthingsinmylife.Dr.Osbornetalksaboutthetriangleofhealth,whichthebiochemicalisoneside,butthere'salsothementalandthephysical.

JonathanOtto: …Sojustifyoucouldtellmeaboutyourexperienceoftheprotocolsthatyouusedtogetbetter…

Whatdidyoudo,youwentgluten-free,youwentgrain-free,dairy-free.

Patient3: Yes.

JonathanOtto: Ifyoucouldjuststartlistingdifferentthingsthatyoudid.Obviouslyyouhadthethyroidchallenge.Didyoustartdoinganykindofsupplementationforthyroid?

[00:24:00] Patient3:

Iodine.Yes,Iwentgluten-free,andactuallywentcompletelygrain-freeaswell.Dairy-free,soy-free,eggs,Ieliminatedchickeneggs.Wenttoeatingallorganic,ormostlyorganic,definitelythedirtydozen,andmostoftherestofthemaswell.Really...

JonathanOtto: What'sthedirtydozen?

Patient3: Well,there'sthe,EWGputsoutareporteveryyearofthetwelvefoodsthatarethemostheavilyladenwithpesticides.Thosearetheonesthatweshouldreallytrytoavoid,becauseifwewanttoavoidthe...

JonathanOtto: Whatarethey?

Patient3: Well,itchangeseveryyear.

JonathanOtto: Whatweretheythisyear?

Patient3: Likethelettuces,oh,goodness.

JonathanOtto: Probablystrawberries. [00:25:00] Patient3:

Oh,yeah,theberries,strawberries,blueberries,blackberries,apples,pears,likeIsaid,thegreens,tomatoes,peppers,cucumbers,zucchini,summersquash.Thosearesomeoftheonesonthere.

JonathanOtto: Soyoujustgetthemorganic,makesureyougetthemorganic,orjustdon'tgetthem?

Patient3: Orfromthefarmer'smarketfrompeoplewhoaren'tcertifiedorganic,buttheydon'tusethechemicals.Theyjustcan'tgothroughtheprocessofgettingcertified.IguessIcan'tsaytheyweretrulyorganicinthecertifiedsense,butalsoIstartedeatingonlymeatsthatwerepasture-raisedorfree-range,likefree-range,pasture-raisedchickens.Hundredpercentgrass-fedbeef,pasturedpork.

[00:26:00] Ireallykindofmadeadecisionthatthosewerereallythehealthymeats,Ididn'twantanymeatmadeinsomefactoryfarmthatpoorlivingconditionsandeatingadietthatwasnottheirnatural



diet,andreally,ifthatwasmyonlychoice,Iwouldnothaveanymeat.Ireallychangedthataswell.

JonathanOtto: Soundslikeapaleo-diet,andthenmovingovertovegetarian.

Patient3: [00:27:00]

Notnecessarily,becausethefarmer'smarket,Icanbuyallthosemeats,andatWholeFoods,youknowhowtheygradethemeats,youcanfindthosethatarethefour.Thehundredpercentgrass-fed,youcanfindtheorganicandthepasture-raisedchicken.Thosewerethethings,whenIhadcontroloverthem,Icouldbuywildcaughtsalmon.Eventhewildcaughtsardines,justforthoseOmega3s.Yeah,Istilleatmeat,butifIdon'thavecontroloveritandIcan'tchoosewherethemeathasbeenbought,thenIjustwon'thaveit.

[00:28:00]

Partofit,becauseIknowthatit'snothealthyforme,andalsojust,Idon'twanttosupportthefactoryfarmingindustryeither,Idon'twantmymoneyormycontributiontogotowardthewaytheytreatthoseanimals,whichissomethingIneverusedtothinkabout.ThosearethethingsIchanged,Ialsochanged,Iincreasedexercise.That'spartofbeinghealthy,andIwasn'toverweight,butIwaswhatyou'dcallskinnyfat.Maybepartofitisbecauseofthearthritis,orjustwhatever.Ijustdidn'texercisethewayIshould.Thatisabigcontributortowardhealth.I'vebeenchangingmysleep,Iwasn'tgoodaboutgoingtobedontime,andgettingtheseventoeighthoursofsleepatnight.Ihadtoworkonchangingthat.Tryingtonotallowmyselftogetstressedout,becausestressissoterribleforus.

Thesewereallthingsthatfollowedthediet.Iworkedonthedietpartfirst,andthat'swhereIsawallthebigchanges,buttotrytogettoevenamoreoptimalhealth,IrealizedIneededtochangeotherthings.Ireally,beforeIstarteddoingallthis,Ireallydidn'tknowwhatitmeanttobeahealthyperson.Ithinktome,propereatingmeanttolimityourcaloriesto,Ithoughtpretzelswasahealthysnackbecauseitwasfat-free.Iwasavoidingthechipswithallthefatinthem,andIwasdoingsowelltohavethosepretzels,orsoIthought.

[00:29:00] Ihadproteinandcarbsandfatsanddidn'treallyworrythatmuchaboutwhatnutrientswereinthem,justmakesureIhadsomeofallofthem.ThoughtIwasdoingfine.Reallyhadnoidea,Ididn'teventrytofollowthefoodpyramid,really,whichIprobablydon'ttrytofollownow,either,becauseIthinkit'supsidedown.Justhavinggonethroughthisprocess,I'velearnedsomuchaboutwhatitmeanstotrulybeahealthyperson,totrulyhaveahealthydiet.SomanyofthethingsthatevenaretaughtnowadaysIthinkaren'ttrulythewaytogo.

[00:30:00]

Thewholelow-fatthingthatweweretoldtofollowin,what,theeightiesornineties,whatever,thatfatwastheenemy.Irealizedit'sbadfatthat'stheenemy,thatthere'ssomanygoodfatsthatweneed,especiallythoseOmega3s,theoliveoil,andcoconutoil,andallthosethings,evensomeofwhichhavebeendemonizedinthepast,thatthey'rejustsogoodforusandcontributetothehealthaswell.

JonathanOtto: Excellent,thankyousomuch...howdidthearthritisgo?Didyougetbetterwiththearthritis? Patient3: Yes…

JonathanOtto: Yeah,whatdidthatlooklike,gettingbetterwiththearthritis?

Patient3: [00:31:00]

Well,Ihavehadalotofjointpain.Ijustalwaysthoughtitwasahereditarything,becausemyfatheralsohasarthritis.ItkeptmefromdoingsomeoftheexercisethatIwantedtodo.Iwantedtogooutandrun,butthenI'dstarttohavejointpain,soIwasn'tdoingthatanymore.IjustthoughtthatwasthewayIwas.Ididn'tthinktherewasanythingIcoulddoaboutit,otherthantakeAdvil,takeoverthecountermedications.Thenbygoinggrain-freeandgettingridofsomeofthefoodsthatIwasallergictothatwereobviouslycausinginflammation,Ifoundoutthatmyjointpainwentaway.



Itwaskindofunexpected,Iwasn't,thatwasn'tmypurposeforchangingmydiet,butitwasanicesurprisethatIfoundoutitworked.

JonathanOtto: Areyou,ifyoucould,wouldyoutakeawayyourhairfallingoutlikeitdid,ifyoucould,wouldyouerasethatlittlethingthathappenedtoyou?

Patient3: [00:32:00]

Wow.IftherewasanotherwaythatIcouldhavelearnedallthis,maybeIwouldhaveerasedit.ButIthinkmaybethatwasthesignalthatIneededtomakeachange,tosaythatsomethingiswrongandmaybeyouneedtochangesomeofthethingsyou'redoing.Really,myhairfallingoutwasthecatalystthatpropelledmetosay,Ineedtodosomething.Ineedtomakesomechanges.Itwasaprettybigmotivator,andmaybeIneededthatkindofamotivator,becausetheywerebigchangesandtheywerealittlescary.

[00:33:00]

BecauseIlovedbread,forone,Iusedtomakebreadallthetime.Iusedtomakeitandsellit.Isolditforfundraisersandsolditto,becauseonceIbuiltupsomecustomers,oncethefundraiserswereover,Isoldabunchofbreadandboughtarefrigeratorandakeyboard.Imadebreadformychurchtotaketochurchvisitors,Imean,breadwasahugepartofmylife.Changingtobegluten-freewasabigchange.Itwasalittlebitscary,andIwasn'tsureIcouldevendoit.ItwasnicebecauseIwasmotivated,andthathairlossreallydidmotivateme.

Isaid,"Well,ifI'mgoingtodoit,Ineedtodo.Ineedtodoitahundredpercent."Thenonceyouseetheresults,onceyouseethatit'schangingallthesethingsinyourlife,thenyou'reevenmoremotivated.Youdon'twanttogoback.Yousayit'sworthit,andthenyoufindoutthatit'sreallynotthathard,becausethere'ssomanyotherfoodsouttherethatIwasn'teveneating.I'dbeeninprettymuchofarutofeatingalotofprocessedfoods,really,thekindwhereyoucangobuyapackageatthestoreandthrowitinapanandaddacoupleofthingsandyousay,"LookatthismealIcooked."

[00:34:00] Ilearnedhowtocookfromscratch.Iwenttothefarmer'smarketandsaid,"Wow,I'venevermadeokrabefore.I'venevermade,I'veneverusedthesegreensbefore.I'veneverusedthisproductbefore.Letmetryfixingit.WhatcouldIfix?"Goontheinternet,lookupsomecookbooks,findallthesenewrecipes,allthesespicesyouneverusedbefore.Therearesomanythingsyoucandowithfoodthatdon'trequireanygrainsorgluten.Ireallydon'tmissit.

Theonlyhardpart,Isuppose,iswhenIgosomewhereelseandotherpeoplearepreparingfoods.That'swhenitgetsalittlemoredifficult,butathome,Ihavefoundthatit'snotnearlyashardaswhatIthoughtitwouldbe.Infact,IlikemydietnowwaybetterthanIlikedmydietbeforeallthis.


Nowtellme,yeah,it'sveryinteresting,itsoundslikeyouneededamotivatortochangethewayyourlifewas,becausesomeofthosecordshadsuchstrongemotionalties,likebeingawomanandmakingbreadandservingthechurchandyourfamilywiththisdeliciousbread.Thatactuallywasvery,andremaining,justevenkeepingglutenforyou,ifIunderstandcorrectly,wouldhavekeptyouinthesamestate.Thiswasareally,itwasagoldenhandcuffsthatwaskeepingyoubackfromyourtransformation.Suchadeeptiethatyouhadwithalltheseemotionalconnections.

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You,itsoundslikeyouneededoneofthestrongestmotivatorstogetbetterandsomethingthatwouldactuallydevastateyou.Yourhairwasthatthing.Hadithavebeensomethingelse,evenpotentiallymoredevastating,likejointpainisworsethanhairloss,exceptforthefactthatit'snotnecessarilyworseemotionally,sothereforeyouwentafterthethingthatwasbotheringyouthemost.Perhapslikewithyourfaith,youwouldseethatthere'ssomekindofconnectionbetweenthesethings.Whatdoyoufeelforyourfaithandhowthathelpedyoutofindthatpathtohealing?



Patient3: [00:37:00]

Well,IthinkGodusesallthingsinourlifeindifferentwaysandIbelieveheusedmyhairloss,thatIreallybroughtonmyselfbymypoorchoices,butheallowedthosethingstoprogressintomyhairloss,maybetomotivatemeandsay,youneedtomakesomechanges.Alltheseotherthings,thejointpaintherestlesslegs,theheadaches,allthosethings,Icouldlivewith.Butthehairloss,Icouldn'tcoveritupanditaffectedmyself-image,anditwasadefinitesignthatsomethingwaswronganditgotmyattention.

Itwasverymotivating,andIthinkGodusedthattogetmeontherightpath,becauseIreallywanttoagewell.Idon'twanttoendupwithabunchofdebilitating,degenerativeconditionsthatmychildrenmayhavetodealwithintakingcareofme,oranyofthosethings.It'slikemyhairlosswokemeupsothatIcouldmakesomechanges,changemylifestyle,changemydiet,becomeatrulyhealthyperson,sothatIcanagewell,sothatIcanlivewell.


Nowdidyoufindthatyourfaithgaveyoupeaceoranythingthatyouneededonthatemotional,relationallevel,whileyouweregoingthroughsomeofthesereallybigchallenges,includingthehairlossbuttheotherthingsaswell?Yeah,didyoufindcomfortthere,becausealotofpeople,theysimplydon'tfindstrength.They'llhaveterriblethingshappentothem,andasmotivatingastheycouldbe,theyaren't.

Othersdrawfrommaybestrengthfromvariousareasandsomefromfaith.Foryou,didyoufindstrengththere?Diditgiveyouanythingthatyouneededinthatimportantplaceinyourlife?

Patient3: [00:39:00]

Ibelievemyfaithdidhelpme.Forone,IhadprayedandaskedtheLord,"Helpmetofindanswers."Heledmetofindingthefunctionalmedicinepractitionerwhodidhaveanswers,whowasn'tjusttryingtogivemeadrugtotakebutwhowassaying,"Let'sfindoutwhattheproblemis."PartofmyfaithwasknowingthattheLordhadledmetothispersonwhocouldhelpme,andthentoseethoseresultswaslikeaconfirmationthatthiswastherightthing,you'reontherightpaththatGodhadstarted,Godhadledmeon.

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IthinkalotofthatwasreallyhelpfulandtothenseethatallthesethingsthatIwasdoingreallyfitwhatGodistellingus,thatourbodyisatempleoftheHolySpirit,andit'smyresponsibilitytotakecareofthistemple,becauseI'mhere,IwanttobeabletoservetheLordandglorifyhimwithmybodyandwiththethingsI'mabletodo,andtoseethatdoing,makingthesechangeswasglorifyingGodeven,bytakingcareofhistemple,beingabletoservehimbetter.Allthosethings,Ijustfeltlikehe,thesewerethingsthathewouldwantmetodo.Yeah,thatwasabigmotivatoraswell.

JonathanOtto: Thankyou.Ifyoucouldtellme,that'sexcellent,whatwouldyousaytosomeonethatwasgoingthroughachallengerightnow?Whatwouldbeyourmessageofencouragement,andjustthatcalltoactionthatyouwouldgivethepersonwatching,ifthey'renotfeelingwellandthey'relookingforanswers?Whatwouldyousay?

Patient3: [00:41:00]

Iwouldsaythatthereishope.Ithinkthere'salwayshope.Ourbodyissocomplex,andyetithas,IthinkGodhasgivenourbodiesthisnaturalabilitytohealitself,ifit'sgiventherightnutrientsortheright,well,Iwouldsaythatthereisalwayshope,thatGodhascreatedourbodiesinthismarvelousway,whereourbodiestrytoheal.Theyhave,youhavewithinyoutheabilitytohealifyoumaketherightchoices,ifyougiveyourbodythethingsthatit'sneeding.Ifyoucanfindsomeonewhocanhelpyoutofindwhatthosethingsare,it'samazingwhatcanhappen.

Afunctionalmedicinepractitioner,whocanmayberuntherighttests,whocandeterminewhatareyoudeficientin,whatkindofreactionsarehappeninginyourbody,andthentheycancomeupwithaprotocolthatcangiveyoutherightnutrients,therightsupplements,maybehealsomedysbiosis,maybetheycantellyouhowyoucanchangeyourdiet,howyoucanchangeyour lifestyle.There'ssomanythingswecandothat'swithinourpower,it'swithinourpowertohelp



[00:42:00] ourbodiesheal,andtofindthatsource,theoriginoftheissue,andnotjusttrytomedicatethesymptoms.

Somuchofmodernmedicineissaying,youhavethisissue,andhere'sadrugthatwecangiveyou,andit'sgoingtohelpyoufeelbetter,butit'snottakingcareoftheproblem.Wewanttogodowntothatorigin,therootoftheproblem,andhelpourbodiestobeabletohealthemselves.Ifwecanfixwhateverthatoriginis,thenifwecanfixtheoriginoftheissue,ifwecanfindoutwhatisitthat'scausingthatissue,isitanutrientdeficiency,isitaninfection,isitaparasite,isitthatyou'reeatingfoodsthatarecausinganinflammationandjustsettingoffacascadeofproblemswithinyourbody?Findoutwhatthatis.Theresultscanbeamazing,onceyouknowwhattodo.Yourbodycanstarttoheal.

[00:43:00] JonathanOtto:

Perfect,that'sexcellent,thankyou.ThendoyouknowanythingaboutDr.IzabellaWentz?

Patient3: Yes.

JonathanOtto: Cool.Whatdoyouthinkofherwork?

Patient3: IloveherstoryabouthowshedealtwithHashimoto's,andI,evenatsuchayoungage,andhow,let'ssee.

JonathanOtto: Didherbookhelpyouatall?

Patient3: [00:44:00]

Ihaven'treadherbook,butI'veheardherspeakatdifferentsummits,andI'vereade-mailsandsomearticlesthatshehaswrittenaboutHashimoto's,andIloveherstory.Ithinkwhenyouhaveastory,it'ssopowerfulbecauseshe'sbeenthroughit.Sheknowswhatitwaslike,sheknewwhatitwasliketohavetosleepfortwelvehoursadayandnothaveanyenergyandforhertowonderwhat'sgoingon,andtohavetofindout,toseekwhat'swrongwithme,andtocomeupwithanswers,andtoseetheamazingresults.Andthatsheisabletotakeherstory,andallofhermedicalknowledgefrombeingapharmacistandthatshe'sabletohelpotherpeoplefindanswers,too.

JonathanOtto: Didshehelpyou?

Patient3: [00:45:00]

Yes,shewasoneofthepeoplewho,again,allthesewonderfuleducators.Shewasoneoftheeducatorswhohelpedmeunderstandwhathappenswiththethyroidandwhat'sgoingoninourbodiesandhowit'sattackingourthyroidorotherpartsofourbodywhenthingsgetintooursystemthatdon'tbelongthere.Ifyourthyroidistheweakestlink,thenthat'swhatgetsattackedandhow,andthenwhatwecandoaboutit,howwecanchangeourdietsandtheautoimmunetypeprotocolsthatwillbeeffectivetokeepthatfromhappening.

JonathanOtto: That'sawesome.Shehadhairloss,too,didn'tshe? Patient3: [00:46:00]

Yes..itmadeallthedifferenceintheworld,Youknow?..andIdidn'thaveanylife-threateninganythinggoingon.Itwasmaybemoreofavanitything,butitstill,it'schangedmylife,soIwouldhopethatotherpeoplewilllisten.BecauseIdon't,Ithinkthatotherpeoplearelikeme,thattheydon'tknowthatthere'ssomethingyoucando.Theyhavethingshappeningintheirlifethattheyjustthinkisthewaythingsare,there'snothingyoucandoaboutit."Oh,it'sallinmygenes."Iwouldloveitiftheycouldseewhatadifferenceitcouldmake,justlikeIdid.

Youknow,partofitis,gettingpeopletolisten,becauseIhavelovedonesthatIwishwouldlisten.Theyhaveissues,andtheydon'tthinkthatit'sgoingtodoanything,theydon'twanttochangetheirlife,theydon'twanttochangetheirlifestyle,andIwishthattheycouldseelikeIdowhatadifferenceitcanmake.Ifmybeingherecanhelpconnectwithsomebodythat'sgoingthroughsomekindofissuethatdoesn'tthinkthatthere'sreallyanythingtheycando,oh,it'ssoworthit.



Itseemsalittlescarytochangeyourdietandchangeyourlife,butit'ssodoable,andIwouldnevergoback.


There'snowaybackforyou,isthere?Donna,Ithinkyou,Ithinkyouknowtherealitythatpeoplehavelosthope.It'shappenedoveralongperiodoftimeforalotofpeople,andpeoplearejusttoldliesconsistentlyaboutthisissue.Auto-immunityisjustoneofthebiggestliesinthebook,andit'slargelyallduetoignorance,butit'sstillalie,it'snottrue.Itgetsrepeated,it'slikeChinesewhispers,youcan'tgetbetterfromthis.It'sruiningpeople'slives,it'sruiningmarriages,it'sruining,likethegirlthatcameinherebefore,she'sonlytwenty-five.

[00:48:00]

Herlife,ifshehadn'thavefoundtheanswer,herlifewasalreadystarting,likeitwasjust,what'sitlikeforatwenty-five-year-oldkidtoalwaysjustbeconstantlythinkingabout,youknow,visittherestroomandwhereitisandwheresheisinpositiontothat,tobelosingherhairatthatage,thatwasherthing,tobebreakingoutfullofacne,sohermumlooksatherfaceandstartscrying,andshecan'tevenlookatherdaughter'sface,becauseitbringsupsomuchforhertoseeherowndaughtergothroughthat.

Everyareaofthisyounggirl'slife,she'sgorgeous,she'sgotherlife,she'sgottheworldatherfeet,she'sgotherallaheadofher,andit'salreadybeingtakenfromherbeforeit'shardlystarted.She'sgoingtoget,she'sgotherdreams,shemaywanttogetmarriedoneday,shemaywanttodoallthesethings,butlikeallthesethingsthreatenthethingsthatbringpeoplethemosthappiness.

Thenalittlechildcomesout,andthey'vegotthatfromthestart.Alreadytheystartgettingthiseducationthatthey'rejustgoingtohavetotakemedicationfortherestoftheirlife,andgraduallyjustgetworseandworseandworseuntilthey'rebedridden.Itupsetsyou,doesn'tit?

[00:49:00] Patient3:

Well,yeah,andIteachatapreschool,andIseechildrencomeinwithalotofissues.Theymightevenbeonthespectrum,autismspectrum,orhavemultipleallergiesthatputtheminthehospital.IseeallthesethingsandIwishthatIcouldtellthem,there'ssomethingyoucando.Therearethingsyoucando,thatyoudon'tjusthavetotrytotakemedicationsorjustgetintosomekindofaschoolprogramthat'sgoingtohelpyoufunctionbetter.Imean,therearethingsyoucoulddothatwouldchangethesituation.

[00:50:00]

Justmoreandmore,Iseethesedegenerativeconditions,peopleIworkwithwhosufferwithpossiblyfibromyalgia,orlupusordifferentthings,andtheyhavetroublefunctioning.Iwantpeopletounderstandthatthereare,thereishope,andthere'ssomuchthatpeoplecando,andit'swithinourability.Wehavechoicesthatwecanmake,wejustneed,oftenwejustneedhelptofindadoctorwhowillruntherighttestsorwhowillfigureoutwhatitis,whatistherealproblemsowecandosomethingaboutit,andwecandosomethingaboutit.


Cool.That'sperfect,loveit,loveit.Whatdoesitfeellikerightnowforyoutojustbeabletobepresentwithyourhusbandandhisneeds?There'salsooneaspectthatnobodytalksaboutwhenitcomesto,theaspectofHashimoto'sthataffectsyourrelationshipsthemost,todowithintimacy,butlikethisisalloffcamera,becauseyourresponseiswhatmatters,soyoucantellthathoweveryoulike.Youcantakeitwhateverdirectionyoulike,butevenjust,whateverthatanswerisforyou,butintermsofwhatdoesitmeantoyoutobeabletobepresentwithyourhusbandandyourfamilyandtobeabletobeamotherandawifeandthesethingsthatareimportanttoyou?

Patient3: Iguess,I'mnotsurejust,youmeanasfarasbeinghealthyandhavingenergyandthingslikethat?

JonathanOtto: Yeah,sure,yeah.



Patient3: [00:52:00]

Okay.Well,ofcourse,Iwanttobeagoodwife,Iwanttobeagoodmother,Iwanttobeagoodhomemaker,Iwanttobeagoodfriend,Iwanttobeabletodoallthethingsthataregood,tobeabletopreparegood,healthymeals,tobeabletospendtime,qualitytimewithmyfamilyandbeabletoshareinthesameactivities.TonotfeellikemaybeIembarrassthembecausemyhairisfallingoutandIlookterrible.Yeah,Iwanttobeabletobethereformyfamily.Iwanttobeabletobeagoodmom,beabletobeagoodwife.


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PATIENT CASE STUDY 4 JonathanOtto: TellmetheinterestingthingsaboutDr.Osborne.

Patient4: He'samazing.Hefindsoutandcares.Findsoutwhat'swrongwithyouandstickswithyou

throughthewholejourney,nevergivingup.He'sthemostdeterminedperson,ordoctor,I'veeverhad.Heeducatesyouandneverstopsdigging.Hedigsasdeepashehastotofigureoutwhat'swrongwithyou.

JonathanOtto: Canyoutellmeaboutyourexperiencewiththeautoimmunedisease?Like,whatwereyoufacinginJuly.

Patient4: [00:01:00] [00:02:00]

Well,attheageof50,Idevelopedanautoimmuneconditioncalledpolymyalgia,anditstartedwithin,quickly,amonth’stime,afterfollowingaveryhealthylifestyleoffeelingtiredandstillandIwasexercising,anditwasn'tthatIwasn'tdoingexerciseandstiffeningup.Istartedlosingweightandtheycouldn'tfigureoutwhy;Iwaseating.So,IstartedgoingtoOrthopedics,tryingtofigureoutwhatwaswrongandtheythoughtmaybeIwasanorexic,orthatIwasn'texercising,Iwaslosingmusclemass.ThenI,slowly,wasnotabletodrivemycaranymoreorliftmyarmsovermyhead,anditwasextremelypainful.Icouldn'tblowdrymyhair,Icouldn'tgetapotoffthepotracktocook,andfinally,afterabout8doctors,Ifoundarheumatologistwhodiagnosedmewithpolymyalgia.Andshesaiditwastreatableanditwasthegoodthingthatitwouldbetreatablewithprednisone,andtheystartedmeonahighdoseofprednisoneandwithin7days,Iwaswalking.ItwasmiracleandIjustthoughtitwaswonderfulandIthoughtIwascured.

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TheytapereditdownandsaidthatIwouldneedtostayontheprednisonetherestofmylifeandthat,ifIwastogetoffofit,Iwouldstiffenupagain.Ijustwasgladtherewasacure,notunderstandingtheharmitwasdoingtome.Ihadalreadyhadahistory,startingbackwhenIwasachild,ofhavingeczema,andback50somethingyearsago,Iwastreatedwithcortisonecream.Andintomyteenageyears,Iwas,again,theeczemawouldbecontinuallygettingworse.Icontinuedtobeprescribedprednisone,shots,steroidspack,andthecortisonecream.So,Ihadhadahistorythroughoutmyentirelifeofthatbeingthecureforme.So,ithaddevelopedintoanaddictiontosteroidswithcomingoffofthem,onceImetDr.Osborne.

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Hetoldmetheharmtheyweredoingtomeandthathecouldputmyautoimmuneconditionintoremission.ThenIstartedonthejourneywithhimtodoingthat.Itwasn'thardgettingofftheprednisone,butthesymptomsofthesteroidwithdrawalIhadwashorrific.It'saconditioncalledred-skinsyndromethat,then,Ihad.Youarethinkingyoureczemaisjustgettingworseandworseuntilitjustovertakesyourbodywithrashesandinflamedskin.Thecureistobeoffofthesteroidsandjuststayoffofthemfortherestofyourlife,andit'stakenabout5years,butit'sbeenwellworthit.I'msogratefultoDr.OsborneforstickingwithmeandencouragingmeandseeingmethroughtowhereIcanactuallylivenowandbefreeofeczema,even.

JonathanOtto: That'swonderful.

Patient4: Yes.

JonathanOtto: Sowonderful. [00:05:00] Patient4:

ItiswonderfulbecauseIhavehadtovisitdoctorsforsmallthings,still,afterthis5yearsofhealing,andthatisseriouslywhattheycanprescribe,istheyoffertome,issteroids.I'vebeenprescribedit,nottakingit,butthathasbeenthesolutionwhenI'vegonetoamedicaldoctor



fortearinginmyeyes,thinkingthatmytearductswerecloggedup,andtheyweren't,butthesolutionwasasteroidofferedtome.I'veexplainedIcannevertakethemandtheanswerisalways,"Well,it'sjustasmalldose,"butthatwouldn'tevenmatter.They'rejustbeingprescribedwaytoomuchnowforbabiesandanyproblemsthatitseemstobethecure,soit'sjustmaskingtheproblem.


Whenwasthelasttimeyoutalkedaboutyourdoctorsaboutthis?

Patient4: [00:07:00]

Ithinkthatgoingtothedoctorsandtheydidn't,ever,fromIknowwhenIwas8yearsoldgoing,theynevertriedtofigureoutwhyyouwerehavingtheproblemsyouwerehaving.ItwasjustaprescriptionandsendingyououtthedoorandIwasconstantlysearching,myself,forwhatwaswrongandtryingtobehealthyandfollowingtheguidelinesforwhatahealthydietwas.MostlyitwaswholegrainsandmorefiberandIdidn'teatfastfoodandIdidn'tdrinkcokes;Icookedmyownmeals.Thentofindout,later,thatreallyyoucouldbecuredwithgoodfoodandstayingoffofmedicationsandthatyoucancureillnessesbyeatingcorrectlyandlearninghowtotakecareofyourself.That'swhatI'velearnedsomuchfromDr.Osborne,isI'mlearninghowtotakecareofillnessformyself.

JonathanOtto: Itmustfeelgood.

Patient4: [00:08:00]

Yes,itdoes.Itgivesyouawholenewlife.IfeellikeI'veneverfelt-I'm60nowandI'veneverfeltbetterinmywholelife.It'shardhealingbecauseyouhavealotofhealingcrisiswhenyoustartonahealthyjourney,andyoudon'tthinkaboutthathappening.Youthinkit'sgoingtobe,youknow,you'regoingtohealquicklyandfeelbetter,andyoureallydohavetogothroughhealingcrisis,soyouhavetostaythecourse.Yes,andyouwillcomeoutbetter.Forsure,there'sjustsomanystoriesoutthereandtheblogsthathavebeenwonderfulandhelpfulandallthedoctors,ontheinternet,thatyoucanlistentonow,educatingyouhowtotakebettercareofyourself.

JonathanOtto: Allright.DoyouknowDr.O’Bryan?

Patient4: Ido.Ilistentohim.Ilistentohispodcastallthetime,histalks.

JonathanOtto: Havetheyhelpedyou?

Patient4: [00:09:00]

Definitely.It'shelpedmeunderstand,evenmore,inhowtohelpmyfamilyandtheirfriends,andhowtoconquerthisgluten-freeproblemthatwehave.Atleast,inbeingabletotravelandgoingouttoeatandcontinuetoleaveanddodgetheproblemsandunderstandwhatweneedtolookforandstayawayfrom.

JonathanOtto: Whatdoyoufeellikewasthemostdifficultpartofwhatyouweregoingthrough?So,explaintomeyouconditionsagain,like,whatwerethesymptomsyouwereexperiencing?

Patient4: [00:10:00]

IguessIstartedout,first,withdigestiveproblems.Letmebackup.IreallystartedoutwitheczemaandthenitdevelopedintodigestiveproblemsandIwasalwaysonthesearchforhowtofeelbetter.Whattoeattofeelbetter.IknewsomethingIwaseatingwasbotheringmeanditcangiveyouafearofeating.So,Iwasconstantlyonthejourneyforthatandthen,whenIhit50,Istartedstiffeningupandnotbeingabletowalk.Mydadhadpassedawayfrommultiplesclerosisandmygrandfather,LouGehrig'sdisease,soIhadwitnessedbothofthem,withaterrible,cripplingdisease,taketheirlivesandthemnothaveanythingthattheycoulddoaboutit.Ijustassumedthatthat'stheroadIwastaking.

[00:11:00]

Then,whenIhadbeenontheprednisoneforsolong,Ithoughtthatwasacure,butthenwhenImetDr.Osborne,headvisedmethatthatwasharmingme.ThatIcouldn'tstayonittherestofmylife.IknewIshouldn'tandIthoughtthiswasmyansweranditwouldbeaquickfix,anditwasn't.Ithinkthat'sthehardestpart,too,isthatthiswasallagainstwhatyou'vebeentaught,



youknow,nottobeeatinggrainsor-IwasevenshoppingatWholeFoodsthatIneededtogoallorganic.Thiswasallnewtome,soitwasrecreatinganddoingawaywitheverythingyouhadlearnedwasright.

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Andthen,whenyouhitthehealingcrisis,andthere'ssomanylovedonesthatarewatchingonthataren'tbuyingthisgluten-freejourneyandthey'requestioningyou,too,becauseyouaregoingthroughaveryevidenthealingcrisis,iswhatIwentthrough,becausetheeczemagotworse,butitwasactuallytheresultfromdetoxingfromthesteroids.ItwastheaddictionthatIhadtothesteroids;Itwasn'teczemaanymore.Justthesearchingandtryingtofindoutwhatwashappening.Tryingtounderstandwhatwashappeningtoyourbodyandknowingthatyouhavetoletitrunitscourseandjuststayeatinghealthy,takingthesupplementsthatyouwerelowonandlettingyourbodyheal,andtakeitscourseandtakeitstime.It'sthepatienceofwaitingandstoppingdoingalotofwhatyoulovedoing.Iguess,for6months,Icouldn'treallygooutside,oranywhere,becauseoftheconditionthatmyskinwasin,fromthered-skinsyndrome.


That'samazing.

Patient4: Yeah.Therearesomanypeoplesufferingfromthisthatareinthesamesituation.Theyhavetoquitschool,theyhavetoquittheirjobs.Iwasveryfortunatetobeathomeandnothaveajob,atthetime,andthehelpofmyfamilytoseemethroughit,butit'saproblemforpeople.

JonathanOtto: Didyoueverfeellikegivingup?

Patient4: [00:14:00]

Yes.Thereweretimesyou'rewonderingifthisistherightthingtodo.Youseeothersthatcaneatwhatevertheywanttoeatandcontinue,youthinkthatthey'recontinuingtolive,butIactually-Somuch,atthebeginningyouthink,istakenawayfromyou,butithasonlyopenedupawholenewworldtome.Toseewhat'soutthereanddiscovernewfoodsthatyouhadnevereventriedandit'sbeenfun,actually,it'sbeenbeenareallyfunjourneyandI'mgladIstayedthecourse.

JonathanOtto: Whatdoesitmeantoyouto,like-So,youmentionedyourhusband,doyouhavechildren?

Patient4: Yes,3.

JonathanOtto: Howoldarethey?

Patient4: They're-Ihavetwins,that're-Excuseme,sorry.Ihavetwinsthatare30,andadaughterthat's26.

JonathanOtto: I'm30.

Patient4: Areyou?Yeah.Areyoulearningtoeathealthy,youprobablydo,anyway,beingfromAustralia.Australiansarehealthy.

JonathanOtto: No,notthathealthy.

Patient4: Yeah,they'reknown.Veryfit.

JonathanOtto: Ithinkthey'vegotthehighestobesityratesintheworld.

Patient4: [00:15:00]

Seriously?

JonathanOtto: Yes,wedo,it'suptherewithAmerica.



Patient4: Isitreally?

JonathanOtto: Ithinkwe'reslightlyworse,couldyoubelieveit?

Patient4: Ican'tbelieveit.

JonathanOtto: You'rejustthinkingaboutthebeachculture,thewallabies,andthekangaroos,andeveryonerunaroundwithlikewildanimals?

Patient4: Yeah.Theylooksofit.Mydaughterfollowsalotoffitnessvideosandgirlsthatareontheinternetandthey'reallfromAustralia.It'sherfavorite.

Shethinksthey'rethehealthiest.

JonathanOtto: I'dliketothankCrocodileDundee.

Patient4: Yeah.

JonathanOtto: Becausehemadeuslooklikewildadventuremen.

Patient4: Yeah.That'swhatwethink.

JonathanOtto: Allright.Doyoufeelgratefulto-HowdoyoufeeltowardsDr.Osborne?

Patient4: [00:16:00] [00:17:00]

I'msograteful.Imethimattherighttimeandhe'sgivenmemylifeback.Hereallyis.IwouldhavebeencrippledifIhadn'tofmethimbecausemybodywouldneverhavebeenabletohavecontinuedthesteroids.IreallyrealizedIhadtippedthescalewithtakingthem,sotherereallywouldbeanendatatime.Thengettingoffofthefoodsthatwereinflamingme,stoppedmypain,stoppedtheinflammation.Icanrememberhavingsuchpaininmyknees,andtheyweresoswollen,andwell,Ihad1kneesurgeryforthat.IkindofwonderifitevenhadreallyneededtohavebeendonebecauseIthoughtIhadtohaveanotherkneesurgeryanditwasn'tthecase.IwasabletohealthatpainandtheinflammationwentdownonceIwasavoidingthefoodslikethat,thegluten,andcleaningupmydietandstartedtakingthecorrectsupplementsandtherightomegas,andthepainjustdisappears.

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Ihadpaininmyneck,Iwasable,then,towalkandalmostrunandnopain,atall.Where,everything,togetupoutofachair,wassopainfulandcripplingeffect.Iwassoslowatwalking,walkingupstairswassohardandIcanrunupnow.I'mverygrateful.Hecontinuedtoencourageyouandanyproblemthatyouhad,thathewoulddigasdeepashehadtodigtofigureoutwhatwaswrong,andhealwayshadasolution.Itwasveryinterestingthathissolutionwasalwaysveryeasyandnatural,averysimplesolution.Itwasincredible;Italwaysworked.Learningwhatsleepwoulddotoyou,moresleep,andthesunshineandnotneedingtowearsunscreenandalltherulesthatyouneededtofollowanditjustfreedup,inmyopinion,itjustfreeduptheliving.

JonathanOtto: Howarethings,tohaveyourlifeback,youknow,andjustdowhatyoulove,andhaveyoupresentforyourfamilyandseethefuture.You'vegotchildrenthataremyagethatareprobablyinrelationshipsandgettingmarried.Theseareallthingsthat-Tellmeabout,whatdoesthatmeantoyoutoknowthatyoucanbeingoodhealthandyoucanwalkdowntheaislewithyourdaughters?

Patient4: [00:19:00]

Itmeanseverything,itjustmeanseverythingtobeabletothinkaboutgoingonaskiingvacationwiththemandhavinggrandkidssomedayandbeingabletoplaywiththemandrunwiththemandtakethemplacesandexperiencethings.It'ssowonderfulto,also,helpthemtobehealthyandeducatethemandbeabletocookforthefamilyandknowthatwhatyou'reservingthemisgoodforthem.It'sbeenfun.It'sbroughteveryonetogether,ithas.Mydaughter,myyoungest



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daughter,wassicksincethedayshewasbornandshewasalsoonmedicationthroughoutherwholelifeandwherein,HoustonMedicalCenter,thebestdoctors,andIwasalwayssothankfulanddideverythingthattheyadvised,butshewasprescribedantibioticsandsteroidsherselfforallergyproblems,sinceshewasaninfant.Bythetimeshehadhit20,herhealthhaddrasticallygonedownandweweresearching-That'showwefoundDr.Osborne,wasweweresearchingfordoctorsthatcouldhelpherandthatledustoDr.Osborne.

So,the2ofuswentthroughthisjourneytogetherandI'vehealedherandgivenherlifebackthroughhisadvice,forbothofus,soitwasawonderfultime.Shehadtostopwhatshewasdoingandstopherdreams,andmovebackhomefor2yearstogethealthyagainandfigureoutwhatwaswrongwithher,andhesawherthroughitjustthesameashedidmeandsheisgoodtogonow.She'ssohealthynowandisjustnowstartingtopursueherdreamsagain.

JonathanOtto: Shedoesn'twanttogobacktothat.

Patient4: No.Yeah. [00:21:00] JonathanOtto:

Tellme,whatdiditmeanforyoutohaveyourdaughtertobeabletocomehomeandthenforyoutobeabletoknow-Ithinkabout,like,whatamotherreallywantsfortheirchildrenisthatyou'llknowtheanswer.Likewhenachildcriesout,"Mom,"Imean,ithappenssincethedaywhenit'salittlebabyandit'scryingout,"Mom,helpme."

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Theycryoutforhelp,theirmomruns.Youknow,especiallywhenthey'reateenager,they'relivesaren’tfunctioningright,andyouwould'vegonethroughallthoseyears,ofallthatpain,ofyourchildaskingyouforthehelpthatyoudidn'tknowyouhadtogive.You’regladtofinallybeabletogiveherthehelpthatshe'sneeded.We'vegottofindtherightpeopletohelp,yeah,tohelpsupportherinthat.Becausethat'swhyshecameback,soyoucouldsupporther.Whatdoesthatmeantoyou,youactuallyhelpedyourdaughtergetbetter?

Patient4: [00:23:00]

Itwasawonderfuljourney,itwas,andwewentto,probably,8differentdoctorswithjustthemthinkingshewasanorexicandshewascausingitherselfandthenwemetDr.Osborne.Helookedatherinhereyesandhetoldher,"I'lldigasdeepasIhavetodigtofindoutwhat'swrongwithyou,"anditgaveherhope.Wewentoutoftheoffice,forthefirsttime,withhope,andwewerewillingtodoanythinghesaidtodoandstartedonhisprotocolforhertogetbetter.Ithasbeenproved,toeveryone,that'sbeenwatching,andittookalongtimeandsoIknowpeoplethatwerewatchinghim,theyquestionedwhetherweweredoingtherightthing,goingnatural,andnotgoingwithmodernmedicine.

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Theprotocolwasagluten-freediet.Firstthinghesaid,whenwecameinthedoor,wastofollowamore-"Lookintopaleoandjustgeteducation,"andsowewenthomeandI,atthattime,didnotevenknowwhatglutenwas,andwhenIwastoldthatIneededtoreallylearnwhatglutenwaswhenwewenthome,Iwaslike,"Ohmygoodness.Whatintheworldwillweeat?Howcanwedothis?"Ijustpanicked.Thenhedidaseriesofbloodteststhatdeterminedourvitaminandmineraldeficienciesandourfoodsensitivitiesandenvironmentalsensitivities.Then,whenwegotbackoutresults,thethingsthatweneededtostayawayfromthatourbodieswerereactingto,sowecouldgiveitarest,andwewereabletogooffofallofourmedication.Forher,too,probablyeverydoctorwewenttoputheronamedicationand,forbothofus,wewerealsourgedtotakeanti-depressantssothatwecouldnotbeanxiousaboutnotfeelinggood.

JonathanOtto: Didthatmakeyoufeellikeyouwerecrazy?

Patient4: Feltcrazy.IknewIwasn'tcrazy.

JonathanOtto: Youhadtofightthosefeelings.



Patient4: Thethingisthattheydidmakeyoufeel,myjourney,likeIwascrazy,andformydaughter'sjourney,andlookedatme,withher,like,"Youarecrazy.You'reacrazymother,"and-


You'reinfluencingyourchildandshe'sthinkingshe'sgottheseproblemsshehasn't.

Patient4: Right,andthatwecannotfindanythingwrongwithyou,andthesamethingthattheyweretellingme,"Wecan'tfindanythingwrongwithyou."

JonathanOtto: Whatwasitliketofeelwrongforsolong?

Patient:4 Itwasdefeating.Wewereactuallysentoutofanoffice,withoneofthedoctors,withjusta"Goodluck".Youknow,"I'msorryIcan'thelpyou.Ifyouaren'tgoingtotaketheantidepressantorthemedicationthatI'vegivenyou,thenI'msorry,Ican'thelpyouandgoodluck."

JonathanOtto: Didyoucry?

Patient4: Justalmost.IknewtherewassomethingbetterandIknewwhenweheardofDr.Osborne'sname,Iwatchedmanyofthevideosthatwereonhiswebsite,andIknewthatthiswastheplacethatweneededtobe.

Patient4: [00:27:00]

WhatIwanttosaytoyouisjust,tohealyourselfistofollowagluten-freedietanddoorganic,lotsandlots,oforganicvegetablesandfruits,andtrytoeatwild-caughtfishandgrass-fedmeatsandpasture-raisedchickenandjuststayoffofasmuchmedicationasyoucanstayoffof,andyoucanhelpyourself.Miracleswillhappen,andyouhavetogiveittime.Also,stayingoffofsugaris-Alsoatremendoushelpisbeatingthebattleofsugar,beingaddictedtosugar,andyouwillhavetremendousbenefitsfromit,withoutevenhavingtogoseeadoctor.Ithinkpeoplecanhelpthemselvesiftheycan'tgettosomeoneandtheydon'tknowwhattodo,juststartthere,anditwillhelp.

JonathanOtto: Thankyou,andthen-

Patient4: I'vebeenthroughalongstruggleofachievinggoodhealthandIcanassureyouthattheanswersareinthisdocumentaryanditwouldbeverybeneficialforyoutowatchityourself.Itwillbelife-changing.

JonathanOtto: That'sgood-


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JonathanOtto:

I'mexcitedtohearaboutyourjourney.Howdidyoudo?Whatdidyouexperience?Whatdidyougothrough?

Patient5: [00:01:00]

Ibasically,hadstomachproblemsallmylife.ThatwasjustsomethingIdealtwithsinceachild.Theyalwayscalleditnervousstomachorwhateveryouwanttosay.Itwasalwaysthere.Severalthingsoccurredinmylife.ItreallycametoaheadwhenIhadmysonabout20yearsago.It'stheproverbial,"youknowwhat,hitthefan."Allofasudden,Iwashavingsomanyproblems.Themainproblemwas,theythoughtwasconjunctivitisthatIhad.Ihadmyson.Ihad8infectionsin4months.Oneinparticular,theykeptthinkingIhadeyeinfections.Iwentto3differenteyespecialists.Atthatpoint,Irealizedwhythedoctorsdidsomegenetictesting.Hesaid,"Itisnotconjunctivitis.Whatyou'vegotissomethingcalleduveitis."Thatstartedthishugejourneyforyearsandyearsofdealingwitheyeflaresisreallywhatitwas...Uveitisiseyeflares.

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Atthesametime,Iwasexperiencingextremebackpain.WhenIhadmyson,Icouldn'tstandup.Icouldn'tgetoffthefloor.Youmightsitdownwithhim.Ihad3childrenatthatpoint.Ihada17-month-oldnewbornanda5-year-old.Icouldn'tliterallystandup.Therewasextremebackpain.Iwashavingstomachproblems.Theyseemtogoonfreeze,andthenmyeyewouldflareup.Theeyedoctor,whenhediagnosedme,hedidthisgenetictestbecausehesaid,"Alotoftimes,thisallgoestogether."Ihadaparticulararthriticgeneticmarker.Atthatpoint,Iwasdiagnosedwithsomethingcalledankylosingspondylitis,whichbasicallymeans,afusingofthespine.Theworstcasescenariois,Iwouldbeonwheelchair.Myspinewouldfuse.Theinflammationwouldgetsoseverethatmyspinewouldfusetogether.

[00:03:00] Iwascontinuingtohavetheseeyeflares.Theeyeflaresareverytraumatic.MycasewassoextremethattheminuteIfeltmyeyewasgettingbad,itwouldstartburningfromtheinside.Ihavetoruntoaspecialistandtheyinjectmeinmyeye,thesteroids.Thatwouldhappenabout4timesayear.Itwasextreme.Youlookuptheceilingandtheycomeatyouwithaneedleandtheyputitinyoureye.Thatwasabout3or4timesayear.Therewasnorhymeorreason.Ididn'tknowwhyitwashappening.Atthattime,Iwouldevengetthemandtheywouldputmeonoralsteroids,80milligramsofprednisoneanditstillwouldn'tcontrolit.Itwasweird.Iwasonanti-inflammatories,non-steroidal[medications].Iwastakingallthismedication.Iwasupto10medications.Itwasn'treallycontrollingthesituationatall.Again,thatwaswhenIhadmyson.Isufferedandsufferedforquitesometime.

[00:04:00] Finally,Iwashavingstomachproblems.Iwenttoagastroenterologistandheranthetestspecificallyforceliac.Atthattime,hetookitoutofmydoorandhesaid,"Oh,itlooksfine.Youdon'thaveceliac."Youdon'twanttodo...BecauseIaskedhimaboutit.Isaid,"I'vebeenreadingandcoulditbethistriggeringit?Gluten,coulditbetriggeringit?"Hesaid,"Letmegetthetest."Itcamebacknegativeforceliac.Icontinuedtogobacktoanormaldiet.Iwashavingsomuchpain.Ijusthappentorunintosomebodywhodiscussedthegeneticsasopposedtotestingfromonespecificautoimmunediagnosiscalledceliac.TheyencouragedmetoseeDr.Osborneandtheysaid,"Hedoesgenetictesting."

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Ihaveageneticmarkerforarthritis,theHLA-B27.Iunderstooditbecausethat'showtheydiagnosedmewithankylosingspondylitis.Iwentintohimandhedidthegenetictesting.Loandbehold,Ihad3ofpossible4geneticmarkersforglutenintolerance,whichisthebigumbrella.Ittriggersinflammation.Ifpeopleunderstand,it'saninflammatoryresponseyourbodyhasandwhateverittriggers.Everybody'sgeneticsisdifferent.Inmycase,it'sthesehorribleeyeflares,thebackproblems,thestomachproblems,andeverythinglikethat.IwasamazedbecauseDr.Osbornewasreallydiscontentbecauseheexplainedtomethewholegenetics.Hegavemethediet.TheinitialdietIfollowedwasmorewhattheycalltheceliacdiet.Itwasamiracle.Somebody



hadwavedamagicwand.Myeyeimproved,mybackimproved,mystomach.Itwaslike,"Wow.ThisisallIhavetodo.It'snottoeatcertainthings."

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Forme,itwentalittlebitfurther.Itwascorn.Icouldn'teatcorn.Ican'tdoanygrainsatall.Istillhadsomeproblems.WhenIeliminatedcorn,itwasabigtriggerformejustalmostlikewheat.OnceIeliminatedthatandagain,that'sinthenormalceliacdiet.Ican'tdocornatall.That'sextreme.Ihavenothadeyeflares.Ifyoucanimaginetome,ifIcouldjusteliminatethatwhereIwentfromhaving4ayearandthatwholehorribleexperienceofshotsinmyeye.Oh,I'vegotcystonmyretina.Atonepoint,Ihad5cystsonmyretinaandtheysaid,"You'regoingtogoblind."Youknowwhat,theyputmeonimmunosuppressants,Enbrel,inparticular.Apparently,withtheparticulargeneticmarker,itmadeitworse.Iwasgettingallthiscystonmyretina.Ifyoucanevenimagine,itwasjusthorrifying.

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Togofromthatandnow,it'sphenomenal.I'mlike,"I'msoexcited.Ijustdon'thavetoeatthat.That'sfinewithme."It'sphenomenalthatIcangetup.Icanstandwithoutpain.Icansee.Idon'thavethefearofgoingblind.It'sjust,"Howdoyouexplainthattopeople?"It'sjustamazing.It'strulyamazing.Theinterestingthingtoounderstandingthegenetics,Ispecifically,also,whenIwentintoseeDr.Osborne,Ihadallofthesymptomsfordepression.Theonlyonesymptomwouldbe,Ididn'tfeellikekillingmyself.Iwaslike,"Idon'tfeelI'mdepressed.It'stellingmeIhavethesesymptoms.Idon'tunderstand."OneofthethingsIrealizedwhenyouhavethismalabsorptioniswhat'shappening.Whenyoueatgluten,it'spreventingyoufromgettingthenutrientsyouneed.ItwasamazinghowIfoundoutIhaddeficienciesthatIdidn'tknowIhad.

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I'vehad19surgeriesinmylife,dealingwithmedicalissues.It'sjustbeenawful.OneofthethingsIhadtoaddresspriortodiagnosis,Ihadbreastcancer.LittledidIknow,severalyearslater,again,whenIwentintoDr.Osborne,IwassovitaminDdeficient.There'salinktobreastcancer.Allthisresearchcomingout,vitaminD,ofcourse,Disyourhappyforvitamin.B,thatwastheotherthingIwasextremelydeficient.Forallmystomachproblems,theyhadmetakingNexiumwhichcausesBdeficiency.Thefunnythingis,betweenthose2things,itwaslike,"Oh,okay.Now,IfeelIhavetheenergyandIcanmove."Itwasjustfabulous.Itwasjustwonderful.

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Mykids,too,thegeneticsofitledtomykidsalsohavingspecificissues.Oneofmydaughtersplayedsoccerandextremeasthma.Shewouldgofromdoinggreatonedayandthenthenextday,shewouldcomeoffthefield10times.Shecouldn'tbreathe.Wehadheron5differentasthmamedications.Wecouldn'tfigureout,again,whatwasgoingon.Shewentcompletelyfluidfreeinhercasealso,dairyfreebecausedairycanactsimilarlytogluten.Shewasabletogetoffallofherasthmamedications,whichreallyweren'tdoinganygood.Forher,thatwasveryspecific.Myotherdaughterhadalotofissueswithherjointswelling.She's17yearsoldandshe'slike,"Mom,Idon'tknowwhat'sgoingon."Herhandswouldswellupandgetallblotchy.Whenwewerefiguringallthisout,werealizedalotofherarthriticsymptomswere,shewould'veeatenbreadatthatpoint.Itwaslike,"Wow.Thisisaffectingthewholefamilyjusttremendously."

[00:11:00] Inthatrespect,it'sbeenphenomenaljusttohavearationalexplanationwhyallthisautoimmuneandinflammatoryreaction,whyaretheyoccurring.It'sjustwonderful.

JonathanOtto: Wow.Isn'tthatsomething?

Patient5: Yes.

JonathanOtto: Iwassohappyforyou.

Patient5: [00:12:00]

Itistrulyamazing.I'msoblessedtohave,really,foundDr.Osbornewhoshowedmeindifferentwaythatcouldimpactme.I'masoccerpersontoo.Iloveplayingsoccer.Ilovejustparticipating.Withsuchastretchthere,itwasjustsopainful.Iplayedupuntilafewyearsago.ItwasjustsohardformetogiveupsomethingIjustlovesomuch.Togetbackmylife,sotospeak,like,



"Phenomenal."It'sjustsoamazing.

JonathanOtto: Yougotyourlifeback?

Patient5: Yes.That'swhatIfeellike.

JonathanOtto: Itwastakenfromyou,isn'tit?

Patient5: Itwas.It'shardtoevenimaginebecauseIalwaysfeltIwasveryathleticandIwasveryactive.Iwasnotoneofthesepeoplethatliketositaroundanddonothingoranything.Tothatpoint,Iwaslike,"Idon'tknowwhat'sgoingon.Somethingisn’tright."Ifit'sthisthingthatiscausingit,andIthinkIgetthatresponsefromalotofpeoplelike,"Oh,howcanyougiveupthesport]?"I'mlike,"WhywouldIwanttodothattomyselfwhereIknowthedirectlinkandthecausesandthatkindofpain?"Justgeneralunhappiness.It'snotworthit.

JonathanOtto: Wow. [00:13:00] Patient5:

Anyway,prettyamazing.

JonathanOtto: It'samazingthatwitheverythingthathappened,somethingthat...Ifyoucould,wouldyoutakebackeverythingthathappenedtoyou?

Patient5: [00:14:00]

Atthispoint,itwasajourneyofdiscovery.Idon'tthink,ofcourse,whowantstoliveinpainandwhowantstodealwiththat.ItledmetowhereIamtoday.IwouldneverchangewhereIamtodayandwhatI'velearned.BecauseIthinkIwould'vejustgonealongandbeenlivingamediocrelife,ifyouwill,orwhatever.Ijustfeelit'sokaytochoosehealthychoicesforfoodorthatkindofthing.Iprefertosupplement.Irealizednow,Iwillhavetosupplementbecauseofthedamagethat'salreadyoccurred.Fromavitaminstandpoint,I'vealreadycauseddamagetomyintestinesandstuffthatIwillalwayshaveabsorptionissuesandstufflikethat.It'sokay.

JonathanOtto: Youwouldn'ttakeitbackaftereverythingthat'shappenedtoyou,allthepainthatyouwentthroughthisterriblething,4timesayearsteroidsstraightintotheeye,aneedleintotheeyeball,allthat.

Patient5: [00:15:00]

Itledtohere.Here'stheotherthingthat'sprettyphenomenalandmademeandmykidslike,"That'senough."Ihadbeenabletoeducatethem.Theymaketheirchoicesforthemselves.Ihave3adultsnow.Theychoosetheirdietsandeverythinglikethat.Ihope,bywhatI'vegonethrough,Itakethehitforthem,ifyouwill.Theycantakethatforward.Forinstance,myson,whenhewastested,hehad4of4geneticmarkers.All4ofthemarelinkedtorheumatoidarthritiswhichprobablywouldhaveonsetbynowifhekepteatingglutenandeverything.He,ofallofthem,hisstomachproblemsweretheleast.Theironyis,hehad4markersandtheyalwaystoldme,"Oh,yoursonisgoingtobesotallwhenhegrowsup."Hehadtheclassicsymptomsofgrowthissues.Heendedup,whenwewentglutenfree,hegrew8inchesin6months.Itwasphenomenal.

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Itwaslike,"Wheredidthiscomefrom?"Becausehisbodydidsomethingdifferentthanthenextpersonwhomighthaveonedaughterhadstomachproblemsalot.Whereas,hehadnostomachproblems.Itwasinterestinghowitimpactedhimcompletelydifferent.Theotherthingismood,howmuchdietaffectsmood.Nottodigressfromyouroriginalquestion.Ifeelit'shelpedmehelpmychildrenatamuchyoungerage.Theotherpartis,mysiblings,I'moneof8kids.It'scrazy.Ourfamilyisautoimmunecentral.We'vehadmultiplesclerosis,lupusinmyfamily,diabetestypeI.Infact,oneofmydaughtershadtypeIdiabetes.Allofthisjustlinkedbacktotheinflammatoryresponseofyourbody.It'sjustprettycrazyhowwhatyoueatcanimpactyourbody,howitresponds.It'sprettycrazy.



JonathanOtto: Wow…Yeah.We'relike,"Mom." Patient5: Let'sgogetaCoke.


Nancy,Ithinkyou'reverypresenttotheactualrealitythathadnotthingshadhappenedtoyou,yourchildrenwould'vebeeninveryterriblesituation.It'slike,everyindicationthatthey'reincreasingautoimmuneconditions.Letalone,theygetintoyourageandthenolder.Youcouldsayitall,can'tyou?Youcanseeyourchildrenwhattheirliveswouldlooklike,allthesufferingtheywould'vegonethrough.Yoursufferingwassobadyoukeptlookingfortheanswersandyoueventuallyfoundthemthroughusingtheseprotocols.Whatdoesitmeantoyouthatyou'vesavedyourchildrenfromsomuchsuffering?

Patient5: [00:19:00]

I'ddoanythingformykids.Mykidsaremyeverything.Ican'teventellyouthesufferingIwitnessedevenbeforeweknewwhatwasgoingon,specifically,oneofmydaughters.Ididn'tknowshehadalotofmoodswingsandstuff.Onlyafterthefactwhenwefiguredoutthingsweregoingonandthendidtestingandchangeddietsandall.Shewaslike,"Ican'teventellyouhowmuchbetterIfeel."Thatmeans,everythingtome.I'msohappyformyselfthatI'mnotinpaininthat.Formykids,ohmygosh,that'sphenomenal.Ieducatethemandthenthey'vetakenitbecauseIhavekidsatcollege.Youdon'tsitoverthem.Yougivethemthemeansandeducationtogoforwardontheirown.It'sastrugglewhenyougoofftocollegeandthatkindofthing,findthefoodsthatyouneedto.

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Also,otherkidsaroundwhoarenoteatingthatway,it'sdifficult.Atthesametime,theyknowforthemselves,now,there'sanelementofsuffering.Ifyoueatthis,it'sgoingtoresultinthissideeffectorinonecase,gotothehospitalorthatkindofthing.It'sjustbeenphenomenaltomethatyounevercanlookback.Youcan'tlookbackandsay,"Oh,Iwishthis,that,andtheother."It'sinterestinghowitcomestoyouhoweducationcomestoyouandinmycase,I'mjustgladthatwhenitoccurredtomeandthenthekidsseeingmeandseeinghowmuchIwasbeingbetter,thenIaddressitwitheachofthekidsindividually.Sureenough,everysingleoneofthemhadatleast3,andonehadof4geneticmarkers.Weknew.It'justamatteroftimeorthey'reexperiencingsymptomsrightnowthatwedidn'tevenrealized.

JonathanOtto: Nancy,yourchildrenwouldliketohaveamomlikeyou.

Patient5: Oh,thankyou.Thankyousomuch.It'sbeenveryeyeopeningbutinagoodway,alwaysgood.

JonathanOtto: Weneedmoremomsthatmakedecisionslikeyoudid.

Patient5: Thankyou. [00:21:00] JonathanOtto:

Alotofmomslovetheirchildren.There'ssomewhowasjustwillingtokeeppressingontomakethestepsthattheyneedto.Someparentswerejustgivinguponthingsthattheyshouldn'tgiveupon,they'rebeingskepticonthingsthattheyshouldn'tbeskepticon.Thereisalevelofirresponsibilitywhenwe'refollowingasystemthatisnotcuringpeople.

Patient5: [00:22:00]

Ihavetobehonest.Iwasavictimoflotsofmedications.Itwasn'tdoinganygood.Atonepoint,Iwillneverforget,Iwentto8medicaldoctorsfordifferentsymptoms,fromscaryactions,toeyes,toback,tostomach,towhateverin2weeks.Iwason10differentmedications.Whathappenedtomewas,afterbreastcancerandaftertheroundsofradiation,mysystemwentintoshutdownmode.IfeltlikeIwasburningfromtheinside.It'shardtoexplain.Irealized,thisisthemedicationthat'ssupposedtobehelpingme,it'slikepoison.IhadtoalmostcoldturkeywhichtheytellyounottodobutIcouldn'thelpit.Iwasjustinsuchexcruciatingpain.

Irealizedlaterthatalotofitwasactuallycausingthesituationtobeworsewhereyou'rethinkingyou'regettingthetreatmentthatyouneed.Itwasreallylikeabandaid.Itwasaddressingthe



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symptombutnotreallylookingat,whatistheunderlyingcauseofwhyisthisoccurring.That'stheflipthatIhadbecauseIhadto.Iexperiencedallthisdifferentpain.It'sjustaweirdthingwhereyoufeelyou'reonfirefortheinside.Either,it'sthemedicationcausingthis.

JonathanOtto: What?

Patient5: Yes.

JonathanOtto: Didyoufeelbetrayed?

Patient5: Ifeltthat,perhaps,medicinehasstartedgoingdownthewrongroad.I'vehadsomephenomenalmedicaldoctors.Idofeelsometimes,themedicationsweremoreissuedasabandaidtoaddressasymptomthatshouldbemoreshorttermanditwasreallygoingtobeamorelongtermbasis.

JonathanOtto: Isthatirresponsible?

Patient5: Idon'tknow.Idon'tknowitsmeaning.It'sjustthat-

JonathanOtto: Wherewouldyouberightnowifyouhadfollowedthatadvice?

Patient5: Idon'tknow.Goodquestion.NotwhereIamnow.I'mhappytosayI'mnotwhereIwas.I'msohappythat-

JonathanOtto: Whereyouwerewasalreadytheendoftheroad. [00:24:00] Patient5:

Rightnow,IhaveonemedicationthatIhavetotake.Oneprescribedmedication.Thatisphenomenaltome,thatIdon'thavetodothat.It'slike,"Wow."Ifeelgreat.It'snotlike,"Ohmygosh,"youknow...

JonathanOtto: Youonlyhavetotakeonerightnow,right?

Patient5: Thatiscorrect.

JonathanOtto: Howmanydidyouusetotake?

Patient5: [00:25:00]

10.That'swhenmybodywentkaput.Idon'tknow.Mybodywasliterallyswellingup.IfeelIwasgoingtoexplode.Everythingwasburning.Thiswaspostradiation.ThankgoodnessIgotintoDr.Osborneandwestartedfiguringoutwhatwasreallygoingon.Thatisaday.That'samiracleformerightthere.Thatitisnotnecessarilyjusttobesloppingonallthesedifferentmedications.Itisalsodifficultbecauseyoudoaddresspeopleinmedicalcommunitythathavenowgonedownmoretheroadofprescription."Hereyougo.Thiscantreatthesymptom."Nottosayyoudon'tneedthemeverynowandthen,that'snotwhatI'msaying.WhatIamsayingis,sometimes,thesolutionisverynatural.Yourbodywanttoadjustitselfwithoutthenecessityofallthemedicationsandeverythingaboutthat.

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WhatIwanttosaytoyouis,whatIfound.Thenumberonetriggerformeandmykidsandmyfamilyis,whatyoudecidetoeat,whatyouchoosetoputinyourmouth,forme,directlyimpactedmyhealth.Everybodyisdifferent,yourgeneticsaredifferent,andwhatyou'resufferingandyourinflammatoryresponseisyourgenetics.Youhaveanabilitytochangeyourlife.Youdon'thavetogodownthepathofwhateverybodyelseisdoing.Yourjourneyisyourown.Whatyouputinyourbody,justlikeyourailmentsareyourown,whatyoudecidetointroducetoyourbodyis100%withinyourcontrol.That'stheneatestthing.



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It'snotwhere,Iwasrandomlygettingeyeflares,everytimeIturnaround,Ihadnoideawhytonow,Idon'tgetthemanymore.Idonotgetanywhichisjustphenomenal.IfIcouldjustremoveshotsfrommyeyewhichI'vedone,that'sjustworthitrightthere.Youhavethepower.Itiswithinyourcontrol.Youdon'thavetogothroughlifefeelinglike,"Ihavenocontrolandthingsarespiralingoutofcontrolandthatkindofthing."100%,it'sjustanawesomething,thatitiswithinyourcontrol.That'sthebestadviceIcouldgive.Iwouldsuggest,youcouldtakecommandofyourlifetoday.

JonathanOtto: Awesome.Whatwouldyousaytosomeonethat'sthinkingaboutwatchingthisseries?Doyoubelievethattheinformationtothisseriescouldhelpdetainsomebody'slifejustlikeyourlifewaschanged?

Patient5: [00:28:00]

Absolutely,becauseitdid.Itchangedmylife.Itchangedmykids'livesandactually,severalofmysiblings.It'schangedthemsodramatically.Whenyouseethatchange,it'sjustphenomenal.It'sjustawesome.Iwouldabsolutelyrecommendit.Iwouldabsolutelyrecommendtowatchthisseries.Knowledgeispower.Ifyouhavetheaccesstothisresearch,soonerthanlater,that'sphenomenal.Knowledgeispower.Thisiswellworthwatchingbecauseyoucannotlearnfromwhatyou'regoingtoseeandyouwillimproveyourlife100%.Pleasesupportthismissionandsharethiswithyourfamilyandyourfriends.Absolutely.Shewasjusttellingmeaboutthat.Iactuallygetthevideos.Ican'tsay,"That'shim."YouwhatImean?

JonathanOtto: Yeah.Cool.That'scool.

Patient5: BecauseIreadallthestuffandthendifferentdoctorsarecomingonandeverythinglikethat.I'msureI'veseenthisbecauseIgetthee-mailsallthetimefromDr.Osborne.

JonathanOtto: That'sgreat.

Patient5: HavingDr.TomandJonathangetthisresourceoutintotheworldisamazing.Iwillcertainlysharethiswasmyfamilyandfriends.I'mlookingforwardtoit.

JonathanOtto: Thankyou.


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JonathanOtto: Whatwastheconditionthatyouwerefacing?

Patient6: Aboutsevenyearsago…Iwasinmysecondyearofteaching,andIstarted...Iwasgainingalotofweight,whichseemednormal.Iwasoutofcollege.Iwasworking,notwalkingaroundcampusallthetime.Iwasgainingalotofweight,butIwasextremelytired,allofthesethingsthatseemednormalfor,okay,I'mnotincollegeanymore.I'mteaching.Thesethingsseemednormal.Thatwasgoingon,andIalsostarteddevelopingchronichives.Thatstartedinthemiddleofmysecondyearofteaching,alongwiththisweightgain.Mymomwas,like,"Youneedtogogetthischeckedout.Thisisridiculous.Thisisnotnormal.Youshouldn'tbehavinghiveslikethis.Gotalktoanallergist."

[00:01:00] Iwenttogomeetwithanallergist,whojustlookedatmeandsaid,"Ohwell,we'rejustgoingtoputyouonareallyhighdosageofantihistamine.There'sprobablynoknownreasonforit.Youjustneedtotakethismedicineforanextendedperiodoftime,andthenwe'llweanyouoffofit,andthenyourhiveswillbegone."Heputmeonthisreallyhighdosageofantihistamine,andIdidn'treallyaskanyquestions.Ijustthought,"Okay,hehasgottoberight."

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Istartedtakingthisantihistamine,andthenIwasseeingageneralpractitioneralsowhosuggestedthatIgetmythyroidtested.Ihadmythyroidlevelstested,andofcourse,theywereabnormal.Healsotestedmyhormonelevels,andIhavereallylowprogesterone.At23yearsold,heputmeonthyroidmedicationandaprogesteronesupplement,whichseemedreallycrazytome,butIstilldidn'tquestionitbecauseIdidn'thaveanyreasontoquestionthisdoctor.IwastakingthishugedosageofantihistamineforthesechronichivesthatIhad,thyroidmedicationformythyroidthatwasimbalanced,andprogesteronesupplements,andIwasn'tgettinganybetter.Iwasstillbattlingthesehives.

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TheywerekindofbetterbecauseIwastakingthismedicationallthetime,butifImissedonepilloneday,thentheywouldflareupandbeterribleallovermybody,whichmadeitreallydifficulttoteachhighschoolstudents.Mythyroidwascompletelyunbalancedstill,likethemedicationwasn'tregulatingit.Also,IwasgettingsickeverytimeIate,whichIthoughtwasnormal.Itwasreallycommoninmyfamily.Wejustjokethatonmymom'ssideofthefamily,everybodyjustgotsickeverytimetheyate.Wejokedaboutitasafamilydigestivesystem,andIjustthoughtthatwasnormal,thateverybodyjusthadIBSinmyfamily,whichtherewasnocureandyoujustdealtwithit.We,asafamily,justdealtwithitanddidn'tevenseekanykindofmedicalhelpforthat.

AfterIhadbeenonthisthyroidmedicationandtheantihistamineforabouteightmonths,mymom,again,suggestedthatIshouldgettestedforfoodallergies.Myoldersisterhasareallysevereseizuredisorder,andmyparentshadhertestedforfoodallergiestoseeifpossiblytherewassomethinginherdietthatwascausingherseizurestoworsenandifmaybetheygotherfoodallergiesundercontrol,itwouldhelplowerherseizures.

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Whenhertestscameback,mysister'scamebackthatshewasintoleranttogluten,mymomcalledandsaid,"Maybethat'swhat'scausingyourcrazyhives."IaskedthisgeneralpractitionerthatIwasseeingformythyroidissueifhewouldtestmeforgluten,andhelookedatmeandtoldmeIwascrazy."Thereisnowaythisisrelatedtoyourthyroid.Thereisnowaythisisrelatedtoyourhives.Butifyoureallywantmetodoit,I'lldoit."Hegavemetheceliacbloodtest,andluckily,itcamebackpositive,becausealotoftimes,theycomebacknegative,soI'mreallyluckythatitcamebackpositiveforme.Thatwasinsummerof2009.

Thisdoctordidn'tknowanythingaboutgluten.HewasonlygivingmethetestbecauseIhadaskedhimto.Iwenttraditionalgluten-free.Icutoutwheat,barley,andryeandstartedeatinga



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tonofgluten-freeprocessedfoodsbecauseIdidn'thaveanydoctorguidelines.Ididn'treallyknowhowtocookformyself.Iateatonofsandwichesbeforethat,takeoutsandwiches.Imadesandwichesformyself.Ilovedbaking.Ididn'treallyknowhowtocook.Ireliedongluten-freeprocessedfoods,andIdidn'tgetbetter.Actually,Igotworse.Istartedhavingthesereallystrangereactions.Iwasn'tgettingsickafterIatequiteasoftenasIhadbefore,butIstartedhavingweirdthingshappentome,likemylipsblewupthreetimestheirnormalsizeafewoccasions.Thisseemedtomakenosense,like-

JonathanOtto: KindoflikeBotox?

Patient6: Yeah,exactly,lookedlikeBotoxgonewrong.Itwasveryweird.ThenIhadweirdheartpalpitations.IkeptthinkingIhaven'teatenanythingthatIshouldn'thaveeatenthatcontainsgluten.Whyisthishappening?Iwassofrustrated.Iwouldstillgetsickonandon,buttherewasnorhymeorreasontoit.IstartedbelievingmaybeIwasallergictostrawberriesorsomethingcompletelybizarrelikethat.

JonathanOtto: Didyoufeelparanoid?

Patient6: [00:06:00]

Oh,completely.Ifeltlikemaybethisisallinmyhead.Thereisnowaythatitalladdsup.Ididn'treallyknowwhototalkeitherbecausethedoctorsIwasseeing,oneofthemhadjustputmeonabunchofantihistamine,whichIwasstilltaking,andtheotherdoctorseemedtothinkthatthereisnowaythatthisglutentestcouldbelinkedtotheotherthings,soIreallydidfeelcrazy.IfeltlikehowamIsupposedtogetbetterifthethingsthatthey'retellingmetodoaren'tworking?

Ihadbeentraditionallygluten-free,Americangluten-freeforabouttwomonths,stillgettingsickallthetime,stillhadmyhives,wasstillonatonofmedication.Ijustdecidedtherehasgottobesomedoctorinthisgiantcitywhereweareoneofthetop,wehaveoneofthebestmedicalcentersinthenation,therehastobesomedoctorinthiscitywhoknowssomethingaboutgluten.IjustGoogled"glutenspecialistsHouston,"andIfoundDr.Osborne.Ithought,"Ohgreat,adoctorwhomightknowwhat'sgoingonwithme."

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Icalledthem,andtheyweresoniceonthephonewhenIcalledandtoldthemwhatwasgoingon,andtheygotmeanappointment.IwentintoseeDr.Osborne,andItookallthetestresultsthatIhadformythyroidtestsandmyglutenbloodtestthattheyhaddone,theceliactest.HelookedatmytestresultsandtoldmethatIshouldn'tbeeatinganyofthosegluten-freeprocessedfoodsandexplainedtomeabouthowtheglutenproteinreallyisn'tallgrains.It'salsoinriceandcornandthatbecauseIwaseatingthosethings,itwasmakingmyreactionworse,myconditionworse.

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Icutthosethingsout,andIdidseveralotherstests,thenutrienttesttoseeifIwasdeficientindifferentvitaminsandminerals,andthenthebigfoodtesttoseeiftherewereotherthingsthatIwasallergictothatglutenhadthencausedmysystemtobeintoleranttootherfoodswiththeleakygut.Ididthosetests,andtheycamebackwithsomereallyinterestingresults.Dr.OsbornetoldmeIwastheyoungestpersonhehadeverseentohaveeightmajordeficiencies,whichwasprettyscarytobetoldthatat23yearsold.

Icutallgrainsout,Icutdairyout,andIcutsoyoutofmydiet.IlearnedhowtocookbecauseIhadto.IstartedtakingsupplementsforthedifferentvitaminsthatIwasdeficientin,andIstartedtogetbetter.IwasstillonthemedicationforthehivesbecauseIwasafraidthatifIstoppedtakingitthatmyhiveswouldcomeback,andIjust,Ididn'twantthemtocomeback.Istartedeatingtotallygrain-free.InevergotsickafterIate.Itwastheweirdestthing.IkeptlookingatmyfriendsandIwassaying,"Isthishowyouguysfeelwhenyoueatnormally?Thisisnormal?You'renotsupposedtofeelbloatedanddisgustingafteryoueatmeals?"andtheylookedatmelikeIwascrazy,butitwasawesometonotgetsick.



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IwasabletostoptakingmythyroidmedicationandmyantihistamineforthehivesaboutsixmonthsafterIwenttotallygrain-free.Iprobablycouldhavedoneitearlier,butIthinkIwasjustafraidofwhatwouldhappenifIhadstoppedtakingthem,butIstoppedtakingthemedication,andmyhivesdidn'tcomeback.Mythyroidlevelswerenormal,andIlost35pounds.Itwasamazing.I'velearnedhowtocook.Idon'tfeeldeprivedatall.Ifeellikealotofpeopleask,"Howdoyousurvivewithouteatinganygrains?Isn'tthatsoboring?Doyoueatsaladsallthetime?"No,Ireallyhardlyevereatsaladsactually.Youjusteatrealfood,andit'sdelicious,andyouhavetolearnhowtocookandeatwithoutusingprocessedfood,butit'sworthittonotbesickandbedependentonmedication.

JonathanOtto: Thatisawesome.It'sawesome.Youweresickforsolong.Whatdiditfeelliketofinallygetbetter?

Patient6: [00:11:00]

Itwasamazing.ItfeltlikewhenIsawDr.Osborne,heexplainedtomewhatwasgoingon.Ifinallyfeltlike,Ijustfeltvalidatedalmost,likeI'mnotcrazy.Therereallywassomethingwrong,somethingdeeplywrong,thisautoimmune,allofthesedifferentthingsthathadbeenhappeningtome,andtherewassomethingthatwascausingallofthem.Itwasn'tinmyhead.Itcouldbefixed.Eventhoughsomepeoplemightthink,like,"That'sareallyhardthingtodo,"it'sreallynot.Ididn'thavetogothroughanymajormedicalprocedures.IjusthadtochangethewaythatIate,andthat'snotreallyabigdealinthegrandschemeofthings,likeawholelifeofsickness.It'sbeenreallyamazingtofeellikeI'mincontrolofmyownhealthandhowmybodyreactstodifferentthingsandthatIdon'thavetobedependentontheAmericanpharmaceuticalindustryorthegroceryindustry.I'mnotenslavedtothosedifferentthings.Icanbeincontrolofitmyself,whichisveryfreeing.

JonathanOtto: Yeah.Ithinkthatvalidationmeantalottoyou.

Patient6: Itreallydid.Itwashuge.


Ithinkthatwasarealhighpointforyoubecauseyou'reasmartwoman.Youknowyou'reaccomplished.Youareateacher.You'reusedtobeing...Ithinkthatlikethroughschoolandyourupbringingandallthat,Icanseethatyouwouldbethekindofpersonthatalwayshadyourstufftogether.

Patient6: Yeah.Ilikedbeingincontrol.

JonathanOtto: Thisisinteresting,andIcantellthatyou'reorganizedandyou'reprobablyquicktorisetoleadership.Thentohaveallthesethingshappenandthentofeeltotallyoutofcontrolwasprobablylikehellforyou.

Patient6: Itwasterrible.Itfeltlike,IfeltlikewhenIwasseeingthosedoctorsthatIjustwasn'tbeingheard.Theyweredismissingme.Isawadermatologisttoo.Ididn'tevensaythat.Iwenttoseeadermatologist,andtheytoldmeIhadeczema,whichIdefinitelydidn'thaveeczema.Ijustfelt,Ifeltdismissedalmost.You'renotlisteningtowhatI'msaying.Thesearerealissues,butIwasmadetofeelliketheyweren'trealissues.


Foryounottobelistenedtoforsolong,Ithinkittakesalottohavesomebodylikeyouevenaskforhelp.Ithinkthatyouarethekindofpersonthatwouldliketojustnottoevenaskforhelpandjusttoworkitoutyourself.

Patient6: Yeah,thanks.Ireally,IfeellikeIjustwassodesperate,IjustgottothepointwhereIdon'tcarewhatIhavetodotobewell,I'lldoit,whichIthinkwaswhyIwasso...Ireallygaveupallgrains.Therewasnofightinmeatthatpoint.HecouldhavetoldmethatIcouldonlyeatbroccolifortherestofmylifeandIwouldbebetter,andIwouldhaveboughtinbecauseIjustdesperatelywantedtogetbetter,butthat'snotwhat...ImeanIlovebroccoli,butthat's...



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It'ssomuchbetterthanbeingsonarrow,butitwaseasyformetobuyintothatbecauseatthatpoint,Ijustwantedananswer.Ifeltlikeokay,Ijusthavetolearnhowtodothis,andthenonceI'velearned,onceyougetoverthelearningcurve,it'seasytomaintainit.Iwasjustgratefulthattherewasananswerthatreally,inthegrandschemeofthings,it'ssoeasy.Ididn'thavetohaveanymajormedicalprocedures.Ididn'thavetotakeanymedicationfortherestofmylife.Ijusthadtofigureouthowtocookandhowtoeatinawaythatwouldhealmysystem.Itwassofreeingtobeabletoknowthat.IwasjustgratefultohaveananswerthatIcouldbeinchargeofratherthansomeoneelsebeinginchargeof.

JonathanOtto: Haveyoucommendedyourselfforwhatyoudid?

Patient6: [00:15:00]

Idon'tknow.IfeellikeI...IlookbackandIrealizehowimportantitwasandwhatadifferenceit'smadeinmylife.IfeellikeI'vebeenabletoreachoutandhelpotherfriendswhohavegonethroughsimilareatinghealthchallengesorbeabletospeakinto,"Hey,maybethisiswhattherootcauseofwhatyou'redealingwithis."Ithinktheawareness,asitcontinues,themovementcontinuestogetbiggerandpeoplebegintoseehoweverythingthatweeatisrelatedtoourhealth,it'simportantfortheretobethoseofuswhohavegonethroughittobeabletohelpotherpeople.


Yeah,it'sgreat.Youhadtovalueyourselfenoughtodowhatyoudidforyourselfbecausesometimes,likeeventhissituationoffeelinglostandaloneinajourneylikethatforsolongandthentohavepeoplethatprobablyloveyoudeeplyinyourlifethatfeltlikeitmighthavejustbeeninyourheadandwonderedwhatwasalwayswrongwithyouandwhynothingwasevergoodenough,sometimespeople,theyletitmakethemsometimesevenfeelliketheyarenotenoughandsothentheyfeelupsetwithyouforbeingthatwayandallthesekindsofthings.Butforallthosethingsthathappened,youstillhadtotakethetimetosay,"No,I'mgoingtotrulylovemyself."

Thenyouwenttopeopleandyousaid,"Listentome,trustme,respectwhatI'msaying,"andthentheanswerwas,"No,I'mnotgoingtolistentoyou.Idon'ttrustwhatyou'resaying,andIdon'trespectwhatyou'resaying,andIdon'trespectyou."Youhadthatcommunicatedtoyou,butthenyousaidtoyourself,"I'mstillgoingtotrust.I'mstillgoingtolisten.I'mstillgoingtorespectmyself.I'mgoingtofindtheanswers."

Patient6: Right.

JonathanOtto: That'swhyI'msayinghaveyoucommendedyourself?

Patient6: [00:17:00]

IguessIneedto.Thanks.Ireallyam,whenIlookback,I'mreallygratefultomymomalso,who,Imeanshewasadvocatingsostronglyformysister'shealth,withallofherseizures,thatshewasdealingwiththatandthenalsowillingtosay,"Maybethisisconnectedtowhatyou'regoingthroughtooandit'sworthaskingyourdoctoreventhoughhemightthinkyou'recrazy,"whichhedid,butthatshewaswillingtolookforanswersformetooasshewascaringformysisterandthenitendedupbeingmysisterhadthesamething,andthenwefiguredoutit'sgeneticandmymomalsohasthissamefoodthing,sowewereabletogothroughthisfoodjourneytogether.Allofoursystemshavebeencompletelychangedfromit.

Ididn'teverfeellikeIwastotallygoingthroughitalone,whichwasahugeblessingbecauseIknowalotofpeoplefeellikethey'retryingtofigureitoutallontheirown,andI'mreallygratefulthatIdidn'thavetodothat,thatIhadfamilyinthesamecity.Wecouldworkthroughittogether,figureitout,makemealsforeachother.Thatwasareally,reallybigblessing.


Youfeltthatsupportfromyourmom,yeah?



Patient6: Idid,yeah.

JonathanOtto: Wereyoupresenttohowherheartwasbreakingjustwatchingyouforsolonggoingthroughthat?

Patient6: Ohyeah,forsure,andIwatchedhercareformysisterforsolongwhohasamyriadofotherhealthissuesaswelltoknow,toseehowinvestedsheisinallofourhealth.Iappreciatethatshedoesn'tjustcareformysisterbutshealsocaresaboutmyhealthtoo.Shedoesn'tjustgetwrappedupinthat.Shewas,allalongtheway,tryingtohelpmefigureout,"Okay,maybeyouneedtogovisitthistypeofdoctor.Maybeyouneedtogotothistypeofdoctor."Thenonceshediscoveredmysister'sfoodallergies,itwaslikealightbulbcameon,like,"ThisiswhatKristenneedstodo.Sheneedstogogettestedforfoodallergies,andthat'swhat'sgoingtohelpher."

JonathanOtto: I'dlovetoseeyourmom.Ithinkthatsheprobablyfeelsthisdeepsenseofredemption,yeah.

Patient6: Ithinksheprobablydoes. [00:19:00] JonathanOtto:

Redemptionbecauseitwouldn'tsurpriseme,ifIwastoputacoupleofthepuzzlepiecestogether,itwouldn'tsurprisemeifyourmomfeltguiltinthat...becauseofthegeneticdisposition.It'sjustthispridethatwehaveashumanbeingswherewefeellikewewanttopassthebestlineagetoourchildren,likeeducationbuthealthaswell.It'slikealotofparentsfeelalotofshamebecauseofthechallengesthattheirchildrenfaceandwonder,"WasthissomethingthatIdidinside?"Ijustwonderifyourmotherpassedthroughthatandshe'sseenthatthrough.

Patient6: [00:20:00]

I'mnotreallysure.Iknowthatshe'salsobeen...Shehassomeprettycrazystoryaswellactually.Shehadbeenonthyroidmedicationsinceshewas10yearsolduntilshefoundoutthatshealsohadthesegrainissues,cutoutgrains,andshewasabletostoptakingthyroidmedicationafter55yearsofbeingonit,whichissocrazy.Iknowthatshewassogratefultobeabletowalkthroughthejourneywithusaswell.I'msurethat,inaway,wasaredemptiontoo,thatshewasabletonotonlyhelpusfigureitoutbutthenwalkalongsideusinthejourneyoffiguringout,"Okay,howarewegoingtodothis?What'sthischangegoingtolooklike?"Wehavealotoffunbakingandcookingforeachother,whichisreallygreat.

JonathanOtto: That'sreallysweet.Ijustseethatimageofyougirlshavingfuntogether.It'ssobeautiful.Ithinkthat'sarealmodelforotherfamilies,andwhatanawesomepath.Whatwouldyousaytosomebodythatwasgoingthroughtheirownhellrightnow?What'syourmessageforthem?

Patient6: [00:21:00]

Okay.WhatIwanttosaytoyouisthatit'sreallyimportanttonotgiveup,andit'sokaytobeafraid,andit'sokaytobreakdowncryinginthemiddleofthegrocerystorewhenyoudon'tknowwhattobuy.Butkeepgoing.Don'tbeafraidtomakemistakes,andknowthatit'ssoworthit.It'ssoworthittobeinchargeofyourhealth,tobehealthy,toknowthatyouarenotcrazy,youarenotalone,andyoucandoit,andthere'sresourcestohelpyou.You'regoingtogetbetter,andit'sworthit.

Patient6: Ihadhypothyroidism.MymomhadHashimoto's.SheliveshereinHoustonandisapatientofDr.Osborne's,actually.She'sontheTexasCouncilforDevelopmentalDisabilities.Sherepresentsmysisteronthatcouncil.ShehadHashimoto'sfor45yearsbeforeshewasonthat,onthis,wentgrain-free,andnowherendocrinologistcan'tbelieveit.Herendocrinologistwas,like,"Idon'tunderstandhowthishappened."Butyeah,I'vehadhypothyroid.ItwashypobutneverofficiallyHashimoto's.

JonathanOtto: Yeah,butthendoyoufeelthatyoumighthavepreventedyourselffromgettingHashimoto'swhereyoustoppedtheonsetand...



Patient6: [00:23:00]

Ithinkthatjustknowingmymom'shistorywithherthyroid,I'mconfidentthatifIhadcontinuedtoeatthewayIhadalwayseaten,whichwasatleastfivesandwichesaweek,ImeanIhadsandwichesallthetime,I'mconfidentthatmyhealthissueswouldhavespiraledoutofcontrol.TheautoimmunesymptomsthatIwasalreadydisplaying,Iknowtheywouldhavejustgottenworse.IknowforsurethatIhadleakygut,andIknowthatitwouldhavejust...Ican'teven...It'sscarytothinkaboutthethingsthatwouldhavehappened,butI'mconfidentthatitwouldhavespiraledoutofcontrolifIhadn'tgottenholdofitwhenIdid.

JonathanOtto: Yeah,andthenyoucanwindupwithHashimoto.

Patient6: Ohyes,IthinkthatifIhadn'tseenDr.Osborneandtakenalltheglutenoutofmysystemandsoyanddairy,ifIhadn'ttakenaholdofthat,Ifeellikemythyroidwouldhavecontinuedto...thelevelswouldhavecontinuedtorisesothatitwouldhavebeenturnedintoHashimoto's,yeah.

JonathanOtto: Wereyousayingyouhadalittlegirl?

Patient6: [00:24:00]

Yeah,Ihavea15-month-olddaughter.HernameisGrace.Ithinkalotaboutthat,likefood,isshegoingtomissoutonbirthdayparties,cupcakesandthings.Wehaven'tgivenheranygrains,andIdon'tplanto,butIdowonderaboutthatsometimesifit's...Isshegoingtofeellikeshemissedoutonthetypicalkidexperiencebynothavingjunkfood,andthat'shardsometimes,Ithink.IfeellikeImadeaprettyamazinggrain-freePaleocakethatwouldbeagreatsubstitute.I'msureallherfriendswillloveitandnotknowthatit'sgrain-free,butsometimesIdowonderaboutthatatbirthdayparties.Idon'twanthertofeelleftout.

JonathanOtto: Yeah,that'sanupsettingfeelingforyou,isn'tit?

Patient6: Yeah.IjustthinkaboutIdon'twanttobethatmomthatbringsmydaughter'scupcaketoanotherkid'sbirthdayparty.


Thereisaprojectthatwearesupportingwhereit'sasummercampforceliackidssotheycanlearnhowtomitigatethechallengesthatcomeandsotheycanlearnhowtoexplainittotheirfriendsandhowtheycansaynoandwhatthingstheyprobablyshouldsayyestoandhowtheycannavigateallthosechallenges.

Patient6: Right.Ithinkthat'sawesomebecauseespeciallythey'resosmallandtheymightnotunderstand,"HowcomethatkidcanhaveasnackthatIcan'thave?"andtoteachthemtheimportanceofwhyandhowbeneficialitistotheirhealth.Becauseyoudon'twantyourkidtellingtheotherkid,like,"You'redumb.Thatsnacksarebadforyou,"right,buttogetthemtounderstandtheimportanceofitwithoutyellingatotherchildren,Iguess,Idon'tknow.

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Ithinkit'ssoimportanttowatchthisdocumentarybecausethereissomuchthatthegeneralpublicdoesn'tknowaboutwhat'sinourfoodandhowitaffectsus.Ifyou'rewillingtoopenyourselfuptothepossibilitythatyourdietcouldaffectyouroverallhealth,whatcanyoulose?It'sworthwatchingittofindouthowyoucantakecontrolofyourhealth.Don'tmissout.You'regoingtowanttowatchthisdocumentary.Ifyou'veenjoyedwatchingthisandit'sbeenabenefittoyou,it'ssoimportanttoshareitwithyourfamilyandfriendsbecauseyoudon'tknowwhatbattlestheymaybefightingthatyoudon'tevenknowaboutanditcouldhelptheminsuchahugeway,soshareitwithyourfamilyandfriendssotheycanbenefittoo.Considersupportingthemissionandsharethiswithyourfamilyandfriends.


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JonathanOtto:

Gary,ifyoucouldtellusaboutyourexperience,likewhatdidyougothrough?

Patient7: Well,Iguessitallstartedaround2011.UpuntilthatpointIhadnothadreallyanysymptoms,anythingtospeakof,soaround2011Iwas,firstthingInoticedIwasoutactuallydoingsomebicycleriding,trainingforabikeridethatIdoeveryspringandInoticedIwasjustextremelytiredforsomereason,moresothanInormallywouldbe.Didn'tknowwhy,butthatwasoneofthethingsInoticed,sojustdealtwiththat.Then,thefirstofthenextmonth,Ihadaphysicalscheduled.IwenttothatphysicalandcometofindoutIwasanemic,severelyanemic,sothatwasasurprisetome,andthatkickedoffalotofthethingsthatwehadtoexplore.

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Mygeneraldoctorsentmetoahematologisttochecktheblood.Mybloodlevelswas50%ofwhereitshouldhavebeen,soIwasway,waylowonthe...Veryanemicatthatpoint.Hegavemesomeironinfusions,wegotthingssettledoutrightthereandthenwestartedaprotocolthereworkingwiththehematologisttogetthebloodlevelsbackup,andduringthatcourseoftime,henoticedthathecouldn'tfigureoutwhyIwasanemic.HeknewIwas,buthedidn'tknowwhatwascausingit,sohesentmetoadigestiveandliverspecialistwhodidabatteryoftests,checkedtheintestinesout,andthat'swheretheydiagnosedtheceliac.Therewasdamagetothewallsoftheintestines.Diagnosedceliac,basicallytoldmeIhadtostayawayfrombreadandwheat,andkindof"Goodluck"atthatpoint.

Didn'treallyhavealotofadviceotherthanthat.Also,theotherthingthehematologistdiscoveredwasthatmyliverenzymeswereextremelyelevated,triplewhattheyshouldhavebeen,sotheyalsodidsometestsonthat,didaliverbiopsy.Cametofindouttherewasautoimmunehepatitiswasgoingoninmyliver,sotheliverspecialistbasicallysaid,"Okay,thetreatmentforthisisgoingtobesteroids,"andI'veseenthatwithmyparents.They'vetakensteroidsfordifferentailmentsintheirlifetimeandIdidnotwanttogotothat.Didn'twanttodealwithsteroids.

JonathanOtto: Whynot?

Patient7: Ittakessometerriblesideeffectsonyou.

JonathanOtto: Likewhat?

Patient7:[00:03:00] Oh,gosh.Inmyfamily'sexperience,youswell,yougainalotofweight,andyoucanonlystayonthemforaperiodoftime.Youhavetogetoffforawhileandcyclebackonandoff.Itjustis,yougetverydependentonit.Mystageinlife,Ididn'treallywanttobedependentonanymedicationslikethat,sothat'swhereIstartedlookingforalternativesolutions.Didalotofresearch,foundDr.Osborne,andcameintohisoffice.Hesentmethroughabatteryoftests,identifiedalloftheareasthatIwasdeficientin,nutrientwise,andputmeonsomesupplementsforthat.Insteadofjustputtingmeona,"Stayawayfromwheat"diet,heputmeonagrainfreediet,soobviouslythat'salotmoreinvolvedandgotmuchbetterresults.

[00:04:00] Myliverenzymesdroppedbackdowntothenormallevels.Myanemicsituationwasresolved.IbasicallywasabletobypassthatsteroidprotocolthatIwasgoingtobeputon,andfeelmuchbetterandmuchhealthierinlifeasaresult.

JonathanOtto: Whatwasitliketogetbetter?



Patient7: Whatwasitlike?Itwasgreat.LikeImentioned,Iwasfeelingverytiredbefore.Theanemiawasjustdraggingmedownandthatwasn'tnormalforme,sothisputmebackuptoanormallevelagain.Iwasfeelinggreatagain.Asaresulthere,thispastMarch,Igottofulfilloneofmybucketlistitems,ifyouwill.

JonathanOtto: Whatwasthat?

Patient7:[00:05:00] Ididabikerideacrossthecountry.StartedoffinSanDiego,atthebeachinSanDiego,androdeovertoallthewaytoFlorida,toSt.AugustineBeach.IwouldnothavebeenabletodothatwithoutthetreatmentthatI'vehadandtheresultsI'vehad.

JonathanOtto: Whatdoesthatmeantoyou?

Patient7: Itmeansalot.Atmyage,Iwasn'treadytositbackandjustbeonmedicationtherestofmylife,andIknewIhadalotofotherchallenges,adventuresIwantedtogoonandparticipatein.Iwasworriedaboutthatwhenthedoctorsaid,"Okay,wellwe'regoingtohavetoputyouonsteroids."Iknewwhatthathaddonetomyparents,andIdidn'twantthathaddonetomeatthisageinmylife,soyeah,itmeansalottobeabletodothethingsIwanttodo,andnotbestrappeddownbyhealthchallenges.Imean,I'vegottowatchwhatIeat,butthat'sasmallpricetopayforthehealth.

JonathanOtto: Andyougotyourlifeback. [00:06:00] Patient7:

Getyourlifeback,andyoucanbasically,youcandowhatyouwant.Takeonthesenewchallengesthatyouwerenotabletodobefore.

JonathanOtto: Youdid?

Patient7: Yep.

JonathanOtto: Doesthatbringupemotionforyou?

Patient7: Yeah.It'soneofthosethingsthatIfigureditmayneverhappen.OneofthethingsI'vealwaysinterestedinandthingslikethat,Ilikehikingandbiking.Oneofthesethingsis,"Okay,what'soneofthebiggerchallengesyoucandoonabike?"Okay,rideacrossthecountry.That'soneofthethingsthatonedayIwantedtodo.Whenthesehealthissuesstartedcomingup,thatwasprobablydoubtfulthatImightevergettodothosethings,soyeah,it'semotional.It'srewarding.It'sworththesacrificethathastobemadetostayhealthy.

JonathanOtto: Doyourememberwhatitwasliketofeelthedreamslippingaway? [00:07:00] Patient7:

Yeah.IfeltIwaswaytooyoungforthattohappen.Iwasprobably,whenIwasfirstdiagnosedwithceliac,Iwasprobablyabout53.52or53.Ihadafairlyhealthylifeatthatpoint,butknowingwhatwasinvolvedwithceliacandwhatwasaheadofme,ifthingsdidn'tchange,wasprettyscary.Thesedays,theaveragelifespanisprettylong,andyoudon'twanttolivealotofyourlifeinbadhealth,soIwasalittleconcernedforsure,especiallywhenthefirstprotocolwasgoingtobeattheageof52,startsteroidsfortherestofmylife.Ididn'tseethatasaviableoptionsostartedlookingforthealternatives.


That'sgreat,man.Whataninspiration.Whatagreatinspiration,becausewhat'sthereality?Whenceliacdiseasegetsbad,whathappenstopeople?Whathappenedtoyou?

Patient7: Well,formeitwas...IthinkIcaughtitrelativelyearly.Imean,luckilyIthinkalotoffolksdon'tgetdiagnosedatall,ormaybevery,verylate,andalotofdamageoccursbeforetheystarttakingsomepreventiveactions.Forme,itwasveryobviousIwasanemic,severelyanemic.Imean,my



hemoglobinlevelwas50%ofwhereitshouldhavebeen.Whenthedoctorsfinallydiscoveredthat,theyweresurprisedIwasn'tpassingoutwithphysicalassertion,justanything.That'soneforsure.Inmycase,italsocreatedanautoimmunesituationwheremybodywasattackingmyliver.Ithadautoimmunehepatitis,sothatwasdefinitelygoinginthewrongdirection.

[00:09:00] Ifwehadn'thadsteppedinmadesomechangesthere,again,steroidsandjustcontinuallygettingworseonthat,thatlevel.LikeIsaid,withthechangesthat'sbeenmade,thenewgrainfreediet,thesupplementalnutrientsI'vebeentaking,thelevelsthatwereskyhighonmyliverreadingsarebackdownonnormallevels,sothatisablessing.Theanemicsituationwhichwas50%ofwhereitshouldhavebeen,everytimeI'mgettingbloodtestsandeverythingit'sright.Rightbackwhereitneedstobe.Greatresultsfromthat.Again,giventheresults,thesacrificeyouhavetomakewithachangeofdietisverywellworthit.

JonathanOtto: Itwasworthitforyou,wasn'tit? [00:10:00] Patient7:

Nodoubt,nodoubt.Changingadietthatdrasticallyistough,andyouthinkyou'vebeeneatingacertainway,certainthingsallyourlife,you'vegottodowithoutsomeofyourfavoritefoodsandthingsthatyouhavegrownupwith,andthingscanchange.It'sjustahabit,andyouhavetochangeyourhabitstoreapthebenefits.

JonathanOtto: Awesome,man.What'syour...Whatarethesignificantpeopleinyourlife?Who'sthat?

Patient7: [00:11:00]

Well,myparentsobviously.Theyhadabiginfluenceonme,andunfortunatelythey'vehadalotofhealthchallenges.IthinksomeofthatisbasicallyinheritedsoIthinksomeofthestuffthatI'mdealingwith,Ithinkmymotherprobablydealtwithanddidnotreallyevenrealizeit.Wasn'tdiagnosedandasaresult,sufferedfromthatquiteabit.SinceI'veexperiencedwhatI'vebeenthrough,mywifeaswellhasbasicallygotonthesameprogram,andshe'sseeingbenefitsaswell,fromdoingthesametypes.Shewasn'tatthepointwhereIwas,butIthinkthechangeindietandchangeinlifestyletheredefinitelyhelpedher,aswell.

JonathanOtto: Doyouguyshappentohavechildren?

Patient7: Wedo.Grownchildren,soit'sjustthe2ofusathome,soit'sprettyeasyforustomakethechangeinwhatweeat,thattypeofthing,becauseit'sjustthe2ofus.

JonathanOtto: Doyouseetheinfluenceonthem?Aretheyinterested?

Patient7: Onthechildren?

JonathanOtto: Yeah,intermsofwiththeirowndiet.

Patient7: [00:12:00]

Yeah.Ithinkthey'veobviouslybeentakingnoteonwhat'sgoingonbecausealotofthisstuffisinherited,andIthinktheyrealizethatitcouldimpactthemdowntheroad,justlikeIdidn'tseeimpactuntilmy50's.HadImadesomechangeswhenIwasinmy20'sand30'sliketheyare,itmighthavebeenalotlessimpactfulat50.Ithinkthey'remakingchanges,theyunderstandsomeofthethingsthey'reeatingisgoingtoimpactthem,sothey'remakingchangesalongthoselines,aswell.

JonathanOtto: That'sawesome.That'sreallyawesome,thankyou.Wasyourfamilyoryourparents,yourwife,yourchildren,proudofyouwhenyoumadethatrideacrossthecountry?

Patient7: Oh,yeah.Ithinktheywere.

JonathanOtto: Youthink?



Patient7: Ithink.Ihopetheywereproudofit.Imean,tomeitwasamajoraccomplishment.Idon'tknowthattheythoughtIwasgoingtobeabletodoit,givenmychallengeswithmyhealthandmysituation,buttheyweredefinitelypullingformeandencouragingmealongtheway.


Weretheyworried?

Patient7: Oh,yeah.Yeah,mywifewasprettyworriedaboutit,beingontheroadthatlongandawayfromhomeforthatlong,butwewouldcommunicatefrequentlyobviously.Wehadthephoneandthecomputerwithus,wecouldcommunicate,andactually,comingacross,wecamerightthroughourhometownhereinHoustonandstoppedbytheretovisitwhilewewereintownobviously.MysoninSanAntonio,whenwecamethroughthere…sosawmyfatherinGulfport,Mississippiwhenwewhenthroughthere…Severalconnectionsalongtheway.

JonathanOtto: Wherewashalfwayto?

Patient7: HalfwaywasrightaboutHouston.

JonathanOtto: Thatwouldhavebeenaproudmomentforyou.Youwereproud,weren'tyou?Youwereproudofyourself,weren'tyou?

Patient7: [00:14:00]

Definitely.Definitely.Yeah,thatwasoneofthosethings,again,athingIwantedtodoatsomepointinmylife,giventhechanceofnotbeingabletodothatwithahealthsituation,Iwasprettyconcerned,butIwasfeelinggreat,Ihadtheopportunitytogo.Acoupleofmybuddiesweregoingtodoitandtheyinvitedmetogowiththemandsaid,"Hey,let'sdothis."Itookitonandwewereabletogetitcompleted.Didn'thaveanysignificanthealthissuesalongtheway,whichwasablessing.Greatexperience.Reallyenjoyedit.

JonathanOtto: Awesome,man.Well,Iwanttocongratulateyou,man.

Patient7: Oh,thanks.

JonathanOtto: Forgoingthroughwhatyouwentthrough,forbeingabletoturnthingsaround,Ithinkyou'reagreatrolemodelwhenitcomestopeopledoingwhatittakestogetbetter,andthencelebrating.Ithinkthatyou'reagreatrolemodelwiththat.

Patient7: Oh,thanks.Thanks.


Ihopeyoualsogiveyourselftheprivilegeor...Ihopeyouhonoryourselfforwhatyou'vedone,andthecontributionthatyourownlifeisjusttoanybodythatcomesintouchwithyou.

Patient7: Great.

JonathanOtto: Yeah.Peoplewatchthisandtheyhearthisstory,andwe'llgetsomephotosofyoufromyoudoingtheride,andsothen,flashthemuponthescreen,becauseI'msureyou'vegotsomephotos.

Patient7: Oh,yeah.

JonathanOtto: Peopleneedtoknowit'spossible,becauseit'sjustthelossofhopeisthethingthatstopspeoplefromdoingthatdietthattheyknowisgoingtohelpthem,ortheysuspectcouldhelpthem.

Patient7: [00:16:00]

Right.Yeah,Imeanagain,it'sachallenge.Whenyoufirsthearthatyou'vegottomakethisbigchangeinyourlife,"I'vegottostopeatingmyfavoritefoods,I'vegottostopdoingthis,"butifyoucanjustkeepyoureyeonthegoalofgettinghealthyagain,livinglifethewayyouwanttoliveitagain,notbeingtieddownbyhealthissues,that'sasmallpricetopay.Smallpricetopay.



JonathanOtto: That'sawesome.IremembertherewasanoldEnglishbookthatIreadanditwasaboutaChristian’sjourney,anyway.Thelinethecharacterswouldspeakwas,"Heavenischeapenough,"anditwastalkingabouttheChristianjourneyofthosethatbelieveinheaven,andthatthroughlivingalifeofloveandgoodness,andsoforth,thatisconduciveorithelpstocreatethatpath.Heavenischeapenough,likeit'sworthenough.

Patient7: Oh,nodoubtit.Yes.

JonathanOtto: Wouldyousaythatinregardstoyourexperience?

Patient7: Yeah.Iwoulddefinitelyagreetothat.Heavenisdefinitelyworthit,aswell,believeme.I'mabelieverinthat,aswell,butyeah,forthejourneythatI'mgoingthrough,thesacrificethatI'mmakingforthehealthisaverysmallsacrificeforthebenefitthatI'mgetting.


That'sawesome,man.Tellme,didyourfaithhelpyouwithyourrecovery?Wasthatapartofyourregiment?

Patient7: Yeah,Ithinkso.I'mabeliever,andtherewasalotofprayerwentintothat.Mywifewasdefinitely,therewasprayerfromallofourfamily,onthesituation,becauseagain,wedidn'treallywanttohavetodealwithsomeoftheseterriblehealthissuesthatcanoftencomealongwiththatdiagnosis.Ithinkprayerhelped,faith,thatIdomypart,thatGodwilldotheirpart,butI'vegottoalsotakethefirststeps.Ican'tjustsitbackandsay,"Healme."Ineedtoputsomeactiontothat,thatprayer,ifyouwill.


Well,Ithinkthat'sareallygreatpointforpeoplethataretryingtoworkouttherelationshipbetweenfaith,iftheyhavesomekindofbeliefsysteminwhatevertheirjourneyis,whateverreligion,orfurthermoremainstreamreligionslikeChristianity,Ithinkalotofpeoplearewonderingwhat'stherelationship?Becausealotofpeoplearesincere,andthey'rejustmaybeprayingfortheirownhealing,butthey'renotwillingtotakethosedecisionsandthat'sobviouslynotapaththatyouwerewillingtotake.Whatdoyoubelieveoftherelationshipbetweenthe2,likefaithandIwouldsupposeworks?

Patient7: [00:19:00]

Well,yeah.Youknow,Idon'tlookattheworksidethatyouneedtodotheworktobeacceptedorlovedbyGodbutIthinkofthis,likeifIwantsomething,ifI'mprayingforaresult,healingforinstance,thenIbelievethat'spossible,butIalsobelievethatwewouldbeexpectedtodoourshareofthat,putsomeeffortbehindthat.Imean,who'stosaythattheanswertomyprayerwasn'tbeingintroducedtoadoctorwhocouldguidemeintherightdirection?Ijusthadtotakethatguidanceandputittowork.That'sthewayI'mlookingatis,thingshappenedalongmyjourneytosteermeinacertaindirection.That'sananswertoprayer.I'vejustgottograbitandrunwithit.

JonathanOtto: Doyouthinkthepeoplethatareprayingforanswersshouldusethoseprayerstoopentheirmindstopotentialtangibleavenuesforthemtofollow?

Patient7: Yeah.I'mabigbelieverinprayer,andIthinkifyou'resincereaboutwhatyou'reprayingfor,keepyoureyesopenandyourmindopenforanswers.Itmaycomeinadifferentwaythatyou'reexpecting.Youmaynotjustwakeuphealedthenextday,butyoumaybewakeupandsay,"Hey,here'sawayIcangetbetterifIputsomeeffortinthisway,"andthatcouldbetheanswertotheprayer.


That'swonderful.Whatwouldyousayforwhereweattributethesuccessofourhealing?Wheredoweattributethatsuccess?

Patient7: Well,Imeanthesuccess,itcomesfromabunchofdifferentdirections.Fromtheprayerstandpoint,youcandefinitelyseethesuccessjustcomingfromthefaithsidewhereyouprayed



forsomethingandyougotaresult,butImean,therearesomanyknowledgeablepeopleoutthere,doctorswewereworkingwith,resourceteststhatcanbedonethesedaystoidentifytheseproblems.Allofthatcontributestothesuccessofgettingbetterandgettinghealthyagain.


That'sexcellent.Then,IthinkthatI'malwaysamazedatexcellentpeopleoutthereinalldifferentlinesofwork,andIattribute,IthinkthatI'mamazedbyallofthem.I'mamazedbywhateverworldviewthattheycomefrom.I'mamazedbytheirthequalityoftheirwork,butoneofthethingsthatimpressesmeaboutsomepeoplelikesayforexample,Dr.PeterOsborne,todaywhatIjustsaid,"I'minterviewingalotofpeoplethathavehadthesetransformationsthroughyou"andthenhesaid,"I'mjustthemessenger."I'mlike,"Well,who'sthegiverthen?"

Patient7: Well,itdependsonwhereyou'recomingfrom.Inmycase,likeIjustsaid,I'mprayingforaresultandI'mlookingforthatresultcomingthroughadoctor,Dr.Osborne,comingthroughresourcesthatI'veresearchedandbooksI'veread,thingsthatopenedmyeyestodifferentthings.

Ifyou'relookingforanswerstoyourhealthissues,thisisagoodopportunitytofinddifferentperspectivesfromindividualsofhowtheymadetheirjourney,andhowtheyfoundresults,andI'dencourageyoutowatchthis,andhopefullyyou'llfindsomeoftheanswersyou'vebeenlookingfor.

JonathanOtto: Doyoubelievethatthiscouldpotentiallychangetheperson'slife?

Patient7:[00:23:00] Nodoubt.It'schangedmylife,soI'mabelieverinthat,fromthatperspective,andIthinkpeoplewhoareopentomakingachangeandarewillingtoputinsomeeffort,evenifyoudon'thavetheceliacdiagnosis,evenifyou'rejusthavingmaybesomeglutensensitivitiesthatarecausingsomeproblems.Someofthesechangesaregoingtobe,you'regoingtoseesomedrasticresults.

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I'veseensomeofthestuffDr.O’BryanhasputoutandIthinkit'sgreat.Ithinkhe'sveryknowledgeableaswell,andIthinkthebodyofworkhe'sgotoutthereisverysimilartowhatDr.Osbornehasgot,asfarashelpingyouunderstandhowyoucantakeahealthyapproachtogettingbetter,andnotnecessarilyhavingtogothroughthetraditionalmedicineapproach,whichismorejustlookingatyoursymptomsandtreatingyoursymptoms.It'sgettingdowntotherootofwhat'scausingtheproblemsandtryingtosolveitfromthatperspective.


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Dr.TomO’Bryan: Hello,everyone.We'reinLondon,EnglandwithfunctionalnutritionistChristineBailey.Christine,

thankyousomuchforbeinghere.

ChristineBailey: Oh,it'slovelytoseeyouagain,Tom.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Oh,thankyou.Thankyou.Webothhavemany,manycasesthatwecantalkaboutofautoimmuneconditionsthathavebeenhelped,arrested,orreversedwithafunctionalmedicineapproach.

ChristineBailey: Absolutely.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Yourpersonalcaseasamotherreallycaughtme…Couldyousharethatstorywithus,please?

ChristineBailey: [00:01:00]

Ofcourse...Ihave3boys.Ihavetwinsandthetwins,they'renow12.WhenIsaacwas…That'soneofmytwins…wasdiagnosedattheageof2withsomethingcalledlinearIgAbullous,itchangedmywholeworld.Now,Iwasalreadyworkingasanutritionist,butsuddenlytohaveapersonalexperienceofonewhereyou'reseeingsomeoneinsomuchpain,screamingbecausethisconditionmeansthattheyareliterallycoveredinblistersandparticularlyblistersaroundthescrotum.Hecouldn'tsit,hecouldn'tsleep,andhewas2yearsold.Myownexperienceofseeingmyownchildliterallycryingouttome,andatthatpointwedidn'tevenhadadiagnosis.

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Imean…Ihadtorushhimtohospitalbecausesuddenlyeveryonewasabsolutelypanicking.Theydidn'tknowwhatwashappeningtohim.Hewascoveredinblisters,hightemperature...Iremembersittingwiththedermatologistatthetime,literallyflickingthroughamanual…Hedidn'tknowwhatitwas.Hewasliterallyflickingthroughthismanualwithme…HeknewIwasanutritionist.Hesaid,"Well,Ithinkit'sthis…Ithinkit'sthis…Ithinkit'sthis…"That'showrarethisconditionwas.Eventually,afterafewdaysinthishospital,theydecidedthathehadsomethingcalledIgAlinearbullousdiseasewhichisanautoimmunedisease.

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Now,whatIhaven'tmentionedisthatI'mceliac,which,asyouknow,ofcourse,isanautoimmunedisease.Forme,itdidn'treallytakemuchresearchtostartlookingat,"IsthereaconnectionbetweenglutenandthisIgAlinearbullous?"Inthemeantime,theydecidedtotakehimdowntoGreatOrmondStreet,whichintheUKisoneoftheleadinghospitalsforchildren'shealth...Theytookonelookathim…Imeantheyactuallystrippedhimoff,tookphotosofalltheseblistersbecausethey'dneverseensomethingsobad…Hewasstillscreaming…Hewasstillinpainconstantly.Hewasn’tabletosleep…Theysaid,"Well,there'snotmuchwecandoaboutit.He'sgoingtohavetotakeDapsone.He'sgoingtohavetotakesteroids.He'sgoingtohavetotakesterilecreams.That'sit.Nothingelse.

Iwashorrified.Imeanalmostintears,tobeperfectlyhonest,becausewhenyou'reamotherandyouaretold,"Thereisnothingreallywecandoforyourchild,"he'sgoingtohavetojustcopewiththisandtakehighsteroids…

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Whichweknowthesideeffectsofthesteroids.

ChristineBailey: Ofcourse.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Thefutureoftakingsteroidslong-term.


Ofcourse.Ofcourse.Ofcourse,Iwaswellawareofthesideeffectsofallthismedicationincludingantibioticswasalsohavingonhisgut.Beingsomeonethathad…Myselfhadtorestore



myownguthealth…Knewabsolutelythedamagethattheywerepotentiallygoingtobecausinghim.Isaid…Asamother,Icannotlookbackandsaytomyson,“Igaveyouallthesemedications,"knowingthattheremaybeadifferentway.Afterabitofresearch,Isaid,"Youknowwhat,thankyou…Thankyou,consultantsbutIcan'tdothis.Icannotdothismedicationforhim."Imeantheyobviouslyacceptedthat.TheygavemelotsofwarningsaboutwhatmighthappenifIdidn'tdothat,abitofscaremongering.

Theysaid,"Well,youcandowhatyouthinkisright,butit'snotgoingtowork.You'llbeback."Isaid,"Look,justgivemeafewweeksandI'mgoingtodosomedietarychanges,I'mgoingtoputinsomesupplementsaswell.I'mgoingtodosomeguthealing.""That'sfine,butyou'llbeback.You'llbeback."Immediately,Iputhimonagluten-freediet.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Didn'ttheyalsosaytoyouthatyourdiscussionwiththemaboutfoodanddiet…

ChristineBailey: Oh,irrelevant. [00:05:00] Dr.TomO’Bryan:

Irrelevant.

ChristineBailey: Oh,totallyirrelevant,yeah."Youcandowhatyoulikewithdiet,butit'snotgoingtowork."Theyalmostsawitasalittlebitofa…sortofsidejunkthat,"Well,youcantwinkleaway.Youcanhaveaplay,butyou'llbebackformeds."

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Well,thisisanutritionist.Thismotherisanutritionist.

ChristineBailey: Well,partlythat'saswell,I'msure.I'msure.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Yeah.

ChristineBailey: Yeah.Yes,Imeanasanutritionist,Idon'treallythinktheythoughtmuchofwhatIwasdoinganyway,tobeperfectlyblunt…andthattheydidn'tknowmuchaboutthiscondition,butalltheycouldoffermewasmedication.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Yes,yes.

ChristineBailey: ItookIsaacbackhome.Imeangoinggluten-freewasnotdifficultforme.Obviously,IknewexactlywhatIwasdoing.Wetookoutallgluten,andImeanallgluten...Youcan'tjusthavealittlebitglutenandthinkit'sgoingtobeokay.

[00:06:00] Dr.TomO’Bryan:

Now,interestingthatbeforeallofthese,washehavingglutenonoccasion?

ChristineBailey: Hewas…Notalot,becauseobviouslyathome,itwascompletelygluten-free.Ifwewentoutabitorhe'dgonetoaparty,Imeantherewasn'talotofthatbecausehewasonly2,butwewouldeatout...

Dr.TomO’Bryan: He'swithgrandparentsor…

ChristineBailey: Exactly.Exactly.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Yes.

ChristineBailey: Extendedfamilyorabuffetthatwemightgoto...Hewouldhavealittlebitofgluten,buthecertainlywasn'tachildthatwaseatingtonsofcereal,pasta,pizza.Thatjustwouldn'tfitinourhousehold,anyway.



Dr.TomO’Bryan: Well,thatjustsuggestshowsensitivehissystemwasatthatpoint.


Absolutely…Absolutely...I'lltellyouwhat'sinterestingisthatlateron,wewere…Thiswaswheneverythinghadbeenresolved,butlateron,hewentsomewhere...Heputsomecreamon…Ithinkitmighthavebeenasuncreamorsomething...Ithadwheatgerminandhereactedstraightaway.Whenpeoplesaytome,firstofall,thatlittlebitofglutenwon'tharmthem,Ijustlaugh...Imeanthat'sjustabsolutelyridiculous,butalsothatyoucannotabsorbthingsthatcontainglutenthroughyourskin...Iwonderwhatplanetthey'reon.Imeandon'tyougetmedicationsthatyouactuallyputonyourskinanyway?Iftheydon'twork,whythehellaredoctorsdoingit?Imeanthat'scrazy.

Anyway,weputhimonagluten-free…Now,Iactuallyputhimonagluten-freeanddairy-freediet…PartlybecauseIknowIreacttodairy,alotofceliacsdo.There'salotofmolecularmimicrygoingon…There'salotofaminoacidsthatarevery,verysimilarandIjustthought,"Youknowwhat,it'seasiertogogluten-freeanddairy-free."Tomethat'snotdifficult…Now,Itellyou,within2weeks,hewasclear.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Twoweeks. [00:08:00] ChristineBailey:

Twoweeks.Nothingmorethanthat.Therewerenoblisters.Therewerenosoreness.Therewasnoobviousskininflammationgoingon.Hewasfine.Hewaspainfree.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Wow.

ChristineBailey: Painfree…Twoweeks...Unbelievable.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Waytogomom.

ChristineBailey: Thankyou.


ChristineBailey: WhatmademeangrywasthatifIhadlistenedtothosemedics,Idon'tknowwhatpositionhewouldbeinnowat12yearsold.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Well,let'sassumeachildattwoandahalfyearsoldisgivensteroidsandsteroidsongoingfortherestoftheirlives,andisgoingtostunttheirgrowth,isgoingtocompromisetheirimmunesystem,it’sgoingtocompromisethedevelopmentoftheirbrains…Theseareallrecordedsideeffectsoflong-termuseofsteroids.

ChristineBailey: It'shorrific…Whenyousayitlikethat,it'shorrific...ThatIcouldhavegonedownthatpathandI'msurealotofothermothersdo.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Becausetheytrustwhatthedoctorissaying. [00:09:00] ChristineBailey:

Ofcourse,ofcourse.Yeah…They'renotevertoldthattheremaybeanotheroption.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: That'sexactlyright.Thisisnotaboutdrugbashing.

ChristineBailey: No,notatall.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Thisisaboutfollowyourdoctor'sadvicealongwithlookingatarethereinflammatorymarkersinthefoodsthatweeat?Aretherecertainfoodsthatmightbeflamingthefire?




YouknowwhatreallyshockedmewastheyknewIhadahistoryofbowelproblems…TheyknewIhadceliacdisease,whichisautoimmune...Whydidn'ttheysay,"Youknowwhat,glutenmaybeaffectingyourchild…Maybewejustperhapsoughttotestforceliacdiseaseeven"?Imean,Iknowthetestaren'tthatreliable,certainlynotintheUK,whichisIwhyIuseotherlabsmyself,buttheydidn'tevendothat.Thelackofknowledgebetweentheconnectionofoneautoimmunediseaseandanotherjustwasn'ttherebecausetheylookedatitintheirownsections.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Biopicway.


Dr.TomO’Bryan: Yes.YouandIbothknowthatittakes3minutestobootupacomputer,togoonlinetopubmed.gov…

ChristineBailey: Mygoodness.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: …AndtypeinceliacandIgAlinearbullous.

ChristineBailey: Yup.Yup.Yeah,yeah,yeah.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Ittakes3minutesandthenherearethestudies.That'salltheywouldhavedone.

ChristineBailey: It'strue,alotofmyclientswhocometomewithanautoimmunedisease,whetherthat'sType1diabetes,Hashimoto's,whateveritis,andthey'veneverbeentoldthattheremaybeaconnectionbetween-

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Withthefoodsthey'reeating.

ChristineBailey: Withthefoodstheyareeatingorotherautoimmuneconditionslikeceliacdiseasewhich,ofcourse,islinkedtoglutenanyway...Theydidn'tevenknow.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: [00:11:00]

Yes,yes.Thisisanimportantpoint…isthatit'snotthatourexperts,ourspecialistsneedtobetrainedinfoodanditsimpact...Imeanit'sagoodidea,butthattheydon'ttakethetimetogototheprimaryresourceforthem…


Dr.TomO’Bryan: …WhichistheNationalLibraryofMedicineintheU.S.buthasworldwideaccessibility;15millionstudiesassoonasitopensuponthesearchengine…youtypeinwhatyouwant,andtheygothrough15millionstudiesandshow...Ittakes3minutestodothat.Theydon'thavethemindsettojustlookalittledeeper,justtolook,especiallyafteramotherinquiresandsays,"Doyouthinkfoodmighthavearoletoplayinthis?"


Especiallywhenitwasactuallyquiteararecondition.Noonewasparticularlyanexpertinitanyway.Youwouldhavethoughttheymightexploreotheravenuesaswell.Whenyou'vegotaveryyoungchild,andImeanveryyoungchild,withtheprospectofhavingtotakemedicationforaverylongtime…wouldyouwanttodothatifthatwasyourchild?Ididactuallysaythattotheconsultant…Shesaid,"No."Isaid,"You'retellingmeyouwouldn'tevengivethesemedicationstoyourchildlong-termandyetyou'reofferingthistome."That'sridiculous…Ridiculous.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Herresponse?

ChristineBailey: Shesaid,"No,Iwouldn't."Shewouldn'tgivethosemedicationstoherownchild,butshe'sexpectingmeto.



Dr.TomO’Bryan: Apersonwhoknowsthat,adoctororspecialist,aconsultantasit'sreferredtointheUK,whoknowsthat,theywouldn'tdoitwiththeirchild,isgivingoutthatadvicebecausetheydon'tknowofanyotheroption.

ChristineBailey: Exactly.Theydidn'tknowwhatelsetoadvise.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Ifitwasherchild,onewouldassumeshe'dstartresearching.

ChristineBailey: Youwouldhavethoughtso.


That'sareallyinterestingpointregardingthepassionthatpeoplehavetofollowtheirspecialtyandbethebestthattheycanbe.No,theyhavealineofthinkingthattheyuseandtheystaywithinthatframework.

ChristineBailey: IlookatIsaacnow,he'sa12yearold…fulloflife,fullofzest,andalotofpeoplesaytomebecauseIseealotofchildren,"Butisn'titcrueltotakeoutglutenanddairyandgomorepaleo?Aren'ttheymissingout?"No,they'renotmissingoutbecausetheyknowgoodhealth.Isaytoallmychildrenbecausewe'reallgluten-free,"It'sbecauseIloveyouthatIwanttonourishyouwiththefoodsthatwillnurtureyourbodyandmakeitgrowanddevelop.IfIdidn'tloveyou,I'lltakeyoudowntosomerubbishyjunkfoodplace,butIloveyou."WhywouldIwanttogivefoodthatisinflammatory,thatisdamaging,thatispoisontoyou?That'snotasignoflove.


Yes,yes.Oncetheyknowthatit'saninflammatoryfood.Oncetheyknow.Iftheydon'tknow,theydon'tknow.

ChristineBailey: No.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Youcan'tblamepeopleiftheydon'tknow.

ChristineBailey: No.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Oncetheyknow,thenthequestionishowcouldyoudothatbecauseit'smoreconvenienttogiveittohim.Howcanyouacceptthat?

ChristineBailey: That'sinterestingbecausemyeldestchildwhois17,he'sa100%gluten-freebecauseheknowsimmediatelyglutenaffectshim.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: We'regoingtodosomethingthat'sunplanned.

ChristineBailey: Okay.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Isaac,canyoucomeoverhereforaminute?

ChristineBailey: I'mprettysureyoudorememberthosetimeswhenyouhadallthoseblisterswithoutembarrassingyouandhowpainfulitwas.

Patient8: Yeah,IhadtowalkreallyweirdandIcouldn’tsleepproperly.

ChristineBailey: Hecouldn'twalk.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Youhadtowalkweirdbecauseofthepain?

Patient8: Yeah…

ChristineBailey: Yeahandbecauseofwheretheblisterswere.



Dr.TomO’Bryan: Yeah,yeah,becauseit'sinthisareawhereyourlegscometogether,right,thegroinarea?

Patient8: Yeah.Theywerejustrubbing;theywouldjuststinglikemad.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Yeah.Oh,man. [00:15:00] ChristineBailey:

Ithinkyoudoactuallyrememberthatperiodinhospitalwhenyouwerehospitalized.

Patient8: Yeah,Iwasin…

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Wow.Doyouevereatwheatnow?

Patient8: No.Ihaveitliketiny,tiny,tinybit,butmytiny,tinybitemightbeinabitoffood.

ChristineBailey: Ofwheat.

Patient8: No.

ChristineBailey: No,youneverhavegluten.

Patient8: Ifsomeonesaidthattome,I'llsay,"No,Ijustcan't."


ChristineBailey: Mm-hmm(affirmative),yeah.

Patient8: I'lljust…Yeah.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Yourmomhassaidthatyouhadexperienceonetimewithlikeasuntanlotionorsomethingonyourskin?

Patient8: Oh,yeah,thatwasfunny.

ChristineBailey: No,itwasn't...Youhadamassivereactiontoit.

Patient8: Yeah.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Yourememberthat?

Patient8: Yeah,Idoactually…Idon’tknowwhen,butIwasintheswimmingpool…anditwouldn'tjustleaveme.Iwasjustlikerubbinglikethat.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Wow,wow.

ChristineBailey: It'sinterestingbecausealotofpeopledosaytome,"Itdoesn'tmatterwhatyouputonyourskinifyou'reaceliacoryou'resensitivetogluten."

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Yeah,that'snonsense.That'sutternonsense. [00:16:00] ChristineBailey:

It'sabsolutenonsense...Ihadaclientwhorangmeinhystericsbecauseshewenttoherdepartmentstore,grabbedthewrongfoundation,didn'trealizetheonethatshehadtakenhaswheatgermin,putitonherskin…immediatereaction.Now,shewasaceliac,butshehadimmediatereaction.Herdoctorsaid,"No,youwouldn'thavereactedtothat."I'msorry,shereacted.



Dr.TomO’Bryan: Isaac,Iwanttoaskyou,whenyou'reinschoolyouhavelunchandstuff?

Patient8: Mm-hmm(affirmative).

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Howisitforyou?Doyoupackyourownlunch?

Patient8: Mymomdoesitbecause…


Patient8: Yeah,butmostofmyfriendshavewhatever.Ijustlikesay,"Okay,"andthenjust…Thereisdifferentfoodsouttherethatarejustasgoodasthenormalfoodis…like,Formybirthdayparty,insteadofhavingpizza,stillIgotagluten-freepizzaImademyself.

ChristineBailey: Hemadeonewithme.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Oh,nice.

ChristineBailey: Yeah,wemadeit. [00:17:00] Dr.TomO’Bryan:

Nice.

Patient8: It'sjustasgood.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Yeah.Doyourfriendsatschoolorotherpeopleinschool,dotheybugyou?Dotheyteaseyouor…?

Patient8: Notatall...Myfriendsareveryunderstanding.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Oh,cool.

Patient8: Yeah.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: That'sverycool.

ChristineBailey: Yeah.ImeanIthinkalso…ImeanitdoeshelpthatI'machef…andI’vereadlotsofbooks…Wewillcreatepaleoversionsofeverything.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Oh,yes,andsoifit'slikeabirthdaypartyforyou,yourfriendslookforwardto…

ChristineBailey: Itdoesn'treallymatter.Yeah.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Cupcakesorthecakesthatyourmommakes.

Patient8: Mymommakeslikeonebook,whenthatbookcameout,wegothealthydiets…Ijusttastedsomanyfoods,it'salmostlikeheaven.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Howcoolisthat?

ChristineBailey: It'sinterestingbecausetheyhadasleepover...Yourfriendscamearoundandforbreakfastyousaid,"Mom,makeyourpaleoproteinwaffles."Theirfriendswon'tknowthatthey'regluten-free,highprotein,paleo,blah,blah,blah.Theydon'tknow.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Theguyslikedit?



Patient8: Yeah,theylovedit.

ChristineBailey: Yeah.

Patient8: Theywantsomemore.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Theywantitmore?

ChristineBailey: Yeah.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Iwantsometoo. [00:18:00] ChristineBailey:

Ithinkalotofparentsinparticularhavealotofassumptionsthatyou'regoingtomissout,thatyou'renotgoingtogetallthenutrientsyouneed,it'sgoingtobedifficult.Itdoesn'thavetobe…Itdoesn'thavetobe.Yes,ittakessometimetoadjust.Ifyou'vebeenusedtoveryWesternworldofeatingfullofpizzaandpastaandprocessedfoodsandeatingoutalot,thenyes,ofcourse,it'sgoingtotakesometime,but,boy,it'sworthit.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Yeah,yeah.Ioftensaythat,thatevenifittakes6monthstoreallygetcompetentatpreparingmealsandyoutryitandyoucanblowitwithsomemealsandallthat,it'sokay.Sixmonthsfromnowyou'vegotitdownandtherestofyourlifeyou'refeedingyourfamilywell.Itdoesn'tmatter.

ChristineBailey: Yup.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Howisyourmomcookingonadailybasis?

Patient8: Well,oh,when…shemakesbreakfast.Shemakespancakesorsomething...

ChristineBailey: Yeah,everythingispaleo,really,isn'tit? [00:19:00] Patient8:

Yeah,andthen…shehasoneofheramazingcreativedishes,sounexpected

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Oh,cool.

Patient8: Yeah,it'sreallygood.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Oh,verycool.Verycool.Isaac,intheU.S,andIthinkaroundtheworld,kidsthathaveceliacdisease,yourmomhas.Iknowyou'venotbeendiagnosedwithit,butyouhaveaglutensensitivity.Kidsgetteasedalotinschoolanditcanberealhardonthem.There'sanumberofpaperswrittenaboutthatandyourfriends…You'vecreatedfriendsaroundyouthatdon'tmesswithyou.Theydon'tteaseyouandthat'sverycool.Thismessagethatyou'regiving,it'sgoingtobereallyhelpfulforalotofpeoplewhentheyjustseethatit'spossible,thatit'snotthathardifmomputsinthetimetolearnhowtopreparewhattheirkids,say,isreallygoodfood.Thanksverymuchforsharingyourexperiencewithus.Thankyou.

Patient8: Welcome. [00:20:00] Dr.TomO’Bryan:

Christine,whataresomeofthethingsthatyou'vedonetohelppeopleunderstandandempowerthemintheirfoodselections,totransitionintoahealthierfoodsforthem?

ChristineBailey: Sure.Well,Imeanyouwereactuallymentioningsomethingaboutanxietyinchildren.IspecializeinthatareaofhelpingchildrenwitheitherspecialdietsorautoimmunediseaseorceliacdiseaseandIran…Firstofall,Irancookingclassesforthem.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Cookingclasses?



ChristineBailey: Yup.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Mm-hmm(affirmative).


IbringtheminwithaparentaswellbecauseIthinkit'sreallyimportantthatparentgetsitaswellandweteachthemhowtocook.Webasicallyhireoutaschooldesignedatthatlevel,soit'sgotallthekitchenequipment,everything,soteachingequipment…Wewilloftenpreparethreecoursemealsorwemightdohealthysnacksoreverythingisgluten-free,dairy-free,paleo.Theyloveit.Theycomeinquiteapprehensive...One,becausetheydon'tknowwhethertheycan'tcook,andlet'sfaceit,alotofchildrencan't.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Mm-hmm(affirmative).Alotofmotherscan't.

ChristineBailey: Well,absolutely.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Alsothey'vejustneverbeentaught.

ChristineBailey: That'swhythisissogoodbecauseit'sactuallyquiteagoodbondingexperience.Wehavefathersthere,ofcourse,aswell.Attheendofit,mygoodness,theenthusiasm,theconfidencethattheyhave,thedelightincreatingsomethingthemselves,thattheytheneat,anditjustsohappensit'sactuallynutritiousaswell,isbrilliant.TheotherthingthatIalsodoisIrunsomethingcalledtheFreeFromAwards.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: FreeForm?

ChristineBailey: FreeFromAwards,sothey'refreefromallergens.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Oh,Isee...FreeFrom.


IrantheFreeFromAwardswhichisan…It'sanationaleventandit'sbasicallytoreallyhighlightproductsthataresuitableforpeopleavoidingcertainfoods,whetherit'sgluten,dairy,soyoregg,orwhatever.Iranthechildren'scategorybecauseIworksomuchwithchildren…Imeanthat'sonparentsaswell.I'mveryconsciousparticularlyforolderchildren,whenthey'regoingout,whentheywanttomeetupwiththeirfriends.Theysay,"Well,they'regoingtobeeatingallthestuffIcannoteat.WhatamIgoingtoeat?"Youcanseethissenseofpanicandanxietyinevengoingout…Thatcanhaveaprofoundeffectontheirsocialwell-being,ontheirinteractionwithotherpeople.Youthinkthat'sacrucialtimeanyway…You'refullofsomuchstress,somuchstuffisbeingbombarded...-

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Youwanttofitin.


Yeah,absolutely.Youwanttojustmergeintothebackgroundlikeeveryoneelsedoeswhenthey're15,16.Iorganizethechildren'scategoryandwehave…Literally,myhouseisfullofchildrenagefrom…Weactuallyhadsomeonewhowas6upto18.Theycomeandtheyjudgealltheseproductsandit'sthemthatdecidewhichoneshouldgettheawardsandthentheywereinviteddowntotheawardswhichisabigLondoneventandsoon.It'sfabulous...Absolutelyfabulous.

Partofmyroleasanutritionistandachefisalsoencouragingpeopletojustunderstandwhatfoodsaregoodforthem…whatcannourishthem,whatcanharmthem,andhowtomakethoselife-changingchoicessothattheydon'tfeelleftout...Theydon'tgetanxious…Theydon'tfeeldifferentandexcluded.Theycanstillenjoylife.Infact,enjoyabetterlifebecausethey'reactuallybeingnourishedandthentheyexperienceagreatersenseofvitalityandenergy,butalsothey'reincontroloftheirhealthwhereasalotoftime,peoplewhodon'treallyknowhowtocook,don'treallyunderstandlabelsandfoods,don'tfeelincontrol.



Dr.TomO’Bryan: No,andit'stheeducationthatempowersthem. [00:24:00] ChristineBailey:

Yes,absolutely.Absolutelyright,yeah,yeah.Bygivingthatsenseofeducationandempowerment,they'reinchargeoftheirhealth.I'mnotinchargeoftheirhealth.Iftheyaremyclient,they'reincharge.I'mafacilitator.IhelpthemalongtheirjourneybutitistheirchoiceandIwanttomakeitaseasyaspossible.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Allofuslookingtoenhancethequalityofourhealthneedtobeempowered.Thepeopleyouworkwith,theprofessionalsyouworkwithneedtobeempoweringyouasChristinedoeswithherpatients.


IurgeyoutowatchtheseriesBetrayal.Ifyouarekeen,interested,youwanttoimproveyourhealth,youwanttoempoweryourself,youwanttoimproveandnourishyourwholefamily,yourchildren,yourbrothers,yoursisters,yourpartner,youneedtowatchthis.It'sgoingtogiveyoualltheinformation,allthetoolssothatyoucanmakethechangeandyouwillexperiencegreathealth.Tom,Ijustwanttothankyoubecausewithoutyourknowledge,withoutyourperseverance,withoutyourpassion,forhelpingpeople,wewouldnotbesurroundedbyallthesefantasticinformation.Tom,youhavedonesomuchtopromotenewimportantscientificresearchthatcanhelpusallandyou'reputtingthistogetherhasjustbeenabsolutelyphenomenal.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Thankyou.Thankyousoverymuch.Thankyouallforlistening.ChristineBailey,functionalnutritionistfromLondon.Thankyouverymuch.

ChristineBailey: Thankyousomuch.


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Dr.TomO'Bryan: WellCatherine,thankyousomuchforbeingwithusheretoday.

Patient9: It'sapleasure.Thankyouforinvitingme.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Whyyes.NowyouhaveahealthhistorythathasbeenverychallengingandIfeelthereareprobablymanypeopleouttherewithasimilartypeofexperiencethattheyaregoingthough.Canyousharewithusyourhealthhistory?

Patient9: WellI'vebeenhealthyallmylifeuntilabout15yearsago.IcurrentlysufferMEwhichismyalgicencephalomyelitisandit'sa...

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Whichisanautoimmunecondition.

Patient9:

[00:01:00]

Yes.It'sanawfulcondition.It'snotrecognizedbythemedicalprofession,butit'sclearlysomethingwhichisattackingone'sownimmunesystem.It'sverydebilitating.It'sveryisolating.Onespendshours,days,weeks,monthsonone'sownwithnohelpfromtheoutsideworldanditcanleadtodepression.Itcertainlyleadstoverygreatunhappinessbecauseyoucan'tseethewayoutmainlybecausethere'snoresearchbeingcarriedoutintoMEbecauseofwhateverreason.Moneycan'tbefoundtoresearchitandsothoseofusthatareleftsufferingwithithavenohelp,nohope,nothingtoclingto.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Whataresomeofthesymptomsthatyou'veexperienced?

Patient9: Themainsymptomiscompleteandutterinabilitytodoanything.You'recompletelyandutterly...Ican'tthinkofthewordfor.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Immobilized?

Patient9: Pardon?

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Immobilized?

Patient9: Yeah,wellwhenyou'redrainedofenergy.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Fatigued?Exhausted?

Patient9: [00:02:00]

Yes,thankyou.You'recompletelyandutterlyfatigued.Eventurningoverinbedsometimesisaneffort.Youcan'tfunctionasahumanbeing.Ispent9years90%houseboundandofthat60%wasinbedimmobilized,sleeping,notsleeping,feelingmiserable.Somebodyoncedescribedittomeanditisvery,veryaptthatitfeelsasthoughsomebodyhasopenedataponyouranklesandallyourenergyhasdrainedoutofyou.There'sjustnowayofgettingitback.

Personally,IusedtosufferatightnessovermycheeksandonthetopofmyheadandthatIknewthatanMEattackwascominganditjustincreasedwithitsintensityandgotworseandworseandIjustfeltasthoughIgotthemostworstfluthatyoucouldeverimaginehaving.Ijustcouldnotfunctionandthedepressingthingwasthatnobodycouldhelpme.

[00:03:00] Dr.TomO'Bryan: Thatisverydepressing,overtheyearssufferinglikethat.Withmyalgic,whichmeansmusclepain,

andencephalomyelitismeansaninflammationinyourbrainandyournervoussystem.Sobecause



thebrainandthroughthenervoussystemcontrolsallofourmusclemovement,youhadnoenergytouseyourmuscles.Youcouldn'trolloverinbed.Youcouldn'twalk.Itwasverydifficulttodoanything,andyouspenthowmanyyearslikethis?

Patient9: 9.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: 9years.Howmanydoctorsdidyouseeinthat9yearperiod?

Patient9: [00:04:00]

About4.IwenttomyGPtostartwithbecauseIwassoupsetandcouldn'tunderstandwhatwashappeningandbecauseIwasupsetandIwascryinginheroffice,shelabeledmeasbeingdepressed.Gavemeantidepressants,sleepingtablets,wantedtosendmeforacognitivebehavioraltherapy,andgradedexercisetherapy,allofwhichareanabsoluteanathemaforpeoplewithME,especiallythegradedexercisetherapy.Itreallycankillpeople.

Itissoawfulwhenyouareinthatsituation,youcannot...Itisnotaquestionofmindovermatter.I'vealwaysbeensomeonewhocanputtheirmindovermatter.Icycled250milesacrosstheJordaniandesertinaidoftheDeafChildren’sSociety.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Atwhatage?

Patient9: Iwas56whenIdidthat.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Wow.

Patient9: [00:05:00]

OrwasI60?Yes.I'venotreallycycledbefore,andthatwascertainlymindovermatterandtherewasnothingwrongwithmethereandtherewasnolackofenergythen.TherewasnothingwrongaboutmypersonathatIfeltIcouldn'tdosomething.IfeltIreallyachievedsomethingthere.Idon'tagreethatIwasjustdepressed.Therewassomethinghappeningtomybody,somethingtookovermybodyandstoppedmefromperforminginanyhumanway.AnotherbigissuewithMEisbrainfogandthatevenpervadedafterIwasstartingtogetbetterafterthe9yearsandgettingalittlebitbetter,tryingtoworkonthecomputer.Thingsjustdidn'tmeananythingtomeatall.Words,Icouldreadasentence,aparagraphandmybrainwouldjustfogoverandthatisareallybigissuewithME.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: You'veseen4differentdoctors.Firstyourgeneralpractitioner,andthenyouwenttospecialists.

Patient9: YesIdid.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Consultants?

Patient9: Consultants,yes.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Theyrantheirtestsandtheycouldn'tfindanything?

Patien9: [00:06:00]

Well,someofthemrantestsanddecidedtherewassomethingwrongwithmybloodsystemorsomethingelse,orinmyabdomenandgavemevarioustherapies.Noneofitworked.Noneofit.IwasfullofhopewhenIwenttoseethesepeople.Whetheritmighthaveworkedforotherpeople.NowIthinkoneoftheproblemsisthere'snodiagnostictoolformyalgicencephalomyelitisbecausethere'snotbeenanyresearchsoalotofpeoplefeelthatmaybetheyhaveME,butmaybetheydon'tandifonlywehadadiagnosislikeyoudoforMSorotherrecognizedillnesses.Wecouldidentifywhohasgotitandwhohasn'tandthengodownthepathoffindingacureorreasonwhyithappens.Atthemoment,it'sallveryfuddyandwe'realllumped



intoonebiggroupasbeingdepressedandhavingaproblemwithourpsyche.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Yes,yes.It'sallinyourhead.

Patient9: Ibegyourpardon?

Dr.TomO'Bryan: It'sallinyourhead.

Patient9: Ah,yes.Absolutely.Allinyourhead.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Actuallyitis.It'saninflammationinthebrainandthenervoussystem.

Patient9: Wellthey'rerightinaway.Yes,yes.Absolutely.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Notthewaytheymeantit.

Patient9: No,no.Exactlynot,no.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Clearlyyouhaveenergynow.

Patient9: Yes.Ido.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Whathappened?

Patient9: [00:07:00]

Well,whathappened.Inabout2008,IheardofthismedicationcalledLDN,lowdosenaltrexoneanditseemedabitlikeamiraclecure.NowI'vehad,asyouknow,I'vebeentootherdoctorsandhaddiagnosesandmedicationsandIfeltperhapsit'sjustanotheroneofthoseandIspendalongtimelookingintoitanddoingresearchandthere'ssomebodyontheinternetcalledDr.SpeedywhoisaguyinAmericaandhe'sgreat.He'shadMEfordecadesandhe'swonderful.Hegivespeoplealotofhope,butnotofacure.Iwaslookingonhiswebsitetoseewhathehadtosayaboutit.AllsortsofplacesIlooked.

[00:08:00]

Ittookme4years.Ididn'tstarttakingLDNuntil2012.Itdidn'tcuremeimmediatelyandIdon'tthinkit'scuredme.IstillhaveMEbecauseclearlyifIforgettotakeadose,orifIdotoomuch...IwasupinLondonyesterdayatthehospitalhavingascanofmycochlearimplantandhereIamtodayagainbackupinLondon.TomorrowImightnotbesowell.LDNmasksthesymptomsforme.I'mdeafened.Iwasn'tborndeaf.I'mdeafened.Ilostmyhearinginmylate30sandIhaveahearingdogwhichhelpsme.He'smysecondhearingdog.I'vehadadogsince1998,longbeforeIhadME.Icouldnothavegoneonandhadmyfollow-ondogifIhadn'ttakenLDNin2012becauseitgavemebacktheenergyenoughtobeabletocopewith,copingwithanewrelationshipanditis100%,24hourrelationshipwithadogthatassistsyouinyourlife,anyassistancedog.

Icansay,categoricallythatLDNhaschangedmylifeandit'stheonlythingthat'shelpedmesincetheyear2003whenIstartedgoingdownwiththisdreadful,dreadfulillness.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: WhatarethesideeffectsoftakingLDNforyou?

Patient9: [00:09:00]

Ihaven'tdiscoveredany.Absolutelynone.Thesideeffectsarefeelinggood.Thesideeffectsarefeelinghumanbeingagain.ThesideeffectsarebeingabletojoinbackinlifeanddomoreorlessallthethingsIwanttodo.Icantalktomyfriendsagain,asfarasIcanwithmyhearingproblem,butI'mactiveonmycomputer.Myhusband'snowlosinghissightwhichhasmadelifemuchmoredifficultforme.Ihavemuchmoreworktodo.Idoallthedriving,obviously,whereverwego.I



couldnothavedonethatwithoutLDN.Icouldnothavecoped.Infact,I'vebeenthinkingmuchmorelatelythatifIhadn'tbeenonLDN,Ithinkbothofuswouldbeincaresomewherebecausehecouldn'tprobablycopeonhisownandIcouldn'tlookafterhim.Iknowit'sabigwordtouse,butit'sbeenamiraclecureforme.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: YouhavediscoveredthatLDNisnotcommonlyacceptedinthemedicalfield.

Patient9: [00:10:00]

Oh,absolutelynot.It'sverydifficulttofindadoctorwhowillprescribeitforyou.YoucangotoalistandfindsomeoneinyourareathattheLDNwebsitekeepstoreferyoutodoctorsandIwasveryfortunateinmyfirstdoctor,hehassinceretiredandhepassedmeontoanacquaintanceofhis,anotherladydoctorandsheprescribesformenow.YoucannotgotoyourGPandasktobeputonlowdosenaltrexone.No,no.It'snotacceptable.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Doyouknowwhythatis?

Patient9: Idon'treallyknowwhy.Icanonlyimagineit'sbecausethey'remisinformed.Theydon'tunderstandwhatLDNdoesandtheyhavetoabidebywhatthemedicalprofessionandtheNHSistellingthemandtheyaretellingthemthatMEisapsychologicalcondition.

[00:11:00]

WellI'mdelightedtobespeakingtoyouassomeonewho'ssufferedthewayyou'resuffering.Iknowhowyoufeel.Ihavebeenthere,pleasebelieveme.Ihavebeenthere.I'vefeltsodesperateandsowithouthelpandnowheretogo.Ittookmesometimetoresearchallthevariousthingsthatareoutthereorsupposedlyoutthereforus.Itriedlotsofthings.IheardaboutLDN,Igaveitalotofthought,Ididresearch,andIwouldencourageeveryonetodotheirresearchbecausemaybeitisn'tforeveryone.Taketheplunge.IfyousampleLDNandit'snotforyou,thenthat'sfinebutifit'sacureforyouasitwasforme,somethingwhichisgoingtomaskyoursymptoms,lifeyououtoftheimpossiblesituationthatyou'reinatthemoment,pleasetaketheplunge.Itisworththetry.Forme,ithasbeenachangeoflife.IhavegotmyoldselfbackthatmyhusbandmarriedandI'msohappytobehereandI'mhappytoendorsethismessagethatlowdosenaltrexonecanhelpyououtofyourmisery.

[00:12:00] Iurgeyoutowatchthisnewdocuseries,Betrayal,whichyoumightfindinterestingbecauseitwillhelpyouperhapsperceivewhatismakingyouillandyouandyourlovedones,yourfamily,everybodywhoknowsyouasthepersonyouwerewillbenefitfromthisandperhapsfindawayforwardforyouandforthem.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: WellCatherine,thankyousoverymuchforsharingyourstorywithustoday.It'saremarkablestoryandyouareonewomanwithalotofgumpf.Iunderstandforyears,youwereunabletogetoutofbedmostofthedaysandit'sremarkablehowyou'veturnedthataround.Thankyousoverymuchforbeingwithus.

Patient9: Thankyou.Thankyouforinvitingme.Ireally,really,reallyenjoyedbeinghereandsharingmystory.I'msohappyIcanhelpotherpeople.That'swhatit'sallabout.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Yesitis.Thankyou.

Patient9: Thankyou.


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Patient10: IthinkitwasinDecember.Ihadareallyseverebladderinfectionandweweregoingonholiday

andafriendofmineprescribedmesomeantibioticsanditendedupinmykidneysandIwasreallyunwellwithit.Anyway,wewentonholidayandIcamebackandIstartedhavingreallyseveregutsymptoms.I'veneverhadanissuewithmygutbefore.Iwasathreetimesaday,regulargoldstarmemberandjustsuddenlyIhadallthesesymptoms,eitherbloating,flatulence,diarrhea,constipationjustfromnowhere.

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Afteraboutthreeorfourmonths,IwenttoseemydoctorandshesaidthatIhadIBS.Iwaslike,"HowdoyoujustsuddenlydevelopIBSovernight?"Irritablebowelsyndrome,whichissupposedtobeallthesesymptoms.Therecouldbeeitherflatulence,constipation,bloating,allthesesortofthings,andtheysayit'striggeredbystress.Itwasaverystressfultimebecausemyfather-in-lawwasdyingofcanceranditfittheprofileofwhattheyweresaying.

Initially,Ithoughttheconstipationwascausedbyjusthavingbreadandstuffonholiday.WewereinAndorraandeatingalotofstuffIwouldn'tnormallyeat.Whentheinitialsymptomscame,Ithoughtitwascausedbythat.Thenafterafewmonths,ofcourseIwassinkingdown.IneverreallytiedittogetherwithmaybehavinghadtheantibioticbecauseinSouthAfrica,ifyouhaveanantibiotic,theyautomaticallyprescribeyouaprobiotic.It'spartofyourprescription,whereasintheUKthatdoesn'thappen.Ifyouhaveanantibiotic,that'sit.Nobodyreallylooksafterthat.

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Ididn'treallythinkanythingmuchofit.Ithought,okay.Well,nowIhaveIBS.Allmysisterssufferwithsomeformofboweldysfunction,soIjustthought,okay,I'vegottolivewiththis.ThenIhadreallyseverefatiguetothepoint...Myex-husbandwastravelingalotatthatpointsoIwasraisingthechildrenbymyselfandtheywereaboutfiveandsevenatthetime,sofull-onactiveperiodoftime.

I'dcomehomeintheafternoon.It's4o'clock.I'dfallasleepuntilabout8o'clock.Wakeup.Tryanddealwithwhatevertheyneededdoing.Itwasjustcompletelycrushing.Icouldn'tevenwalkupthestairs.ThenIstartedhavingstrangeheadacheswhereIwaslosinghalfmyvision.Ihadahistoryofsufferingwithmigraines,soIthoughtthey'vejustcomebackandIdidn'trealizeatthetimeIwasactuallyhavingclinically[inaudible00:02:25]attacksofopticneuritis.

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ThenIlostsensationallalongmyribsandIstartedseeingsomeoftheguysatwork,thepeopleandtheneurologiststherejustbecauseIwasworkingwithpeoplethatwereinthemedicalfield.Theoneguysaid,"Oh,itsoundslikeyou'vegottransversemyelitis."Ithought,"Oh,Iprobablyjusthavethat."Ididn'tlinkthegut,theeye,thetransversemyelitistoanything.Then,intheJuly...ThisallkickedupintheDecember/JanuaryandthenintheJuly,Iwenttovisitmyfather-in-lawwhowasjustinhospiceabouttodie.IthoughtI'dgoseeaneurologistwhileIwasthere.

Ihadabrainscanandtheyfoundanisolatedlesiononmybrain.Iwashavingstrangesymptoms.IhadLhermitte'ssymptom.Idon'tknowifyouhaveheardofthat,butit'swhenyoulookdown,youhavethiselectricshockgoingallthewaydowntoyourfeet.Imentionedthatagaintooneofthepractitionersandhesaidtome,"Iwantyoutoseeaneurologist.It'snotagreatsigntobehavingneurologically."Iwenttoseethisneurologist.Hehadalook.Hadthescan.Foundalesiononmythoracicspinethatobviouslyhadcausedsomeofthosesymptomsandfoundalesiononmybrain.

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Hesaid,"Look.Unlesswedoalumbarpuncture,wecan'thaveadiagnosisofMS."Atthetime...It'dbegoingback12,13,manyyears.Maybeeven14yearsnow.Yeah.About14years.Therewasn'treallyalotforMSandasfarasIknew,therewasn'talotoftreatmentavailable,soasapractitionerIjustthoughtIdon'twantthisonmyrecords.Idon'twantpeopletoknowIhavethis



ifI'mabletoworkandcarryonandnotreallythinkaboutallthelogisticsofit.I'mreallygoodwithdenial.It'sagreatplaceformetobe.

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Ihadthescan.Didn'thavethelumbarpuncture.Cameback.SawaneurologistintheUKwhotoldmeIwasimaginingmysymptomsandthatIwasapractitionerandthereforewascreatingallmysymptoms.Ithoughtgreat.It'sallinmyhead.I'mfine.Ayearlater,Ihadanotherrelapse.Anotheropticneuritis.Severefatigue.Allthistime,mybladderandmybowelswereadisaster.Therewassevereurgency.Mybowelsweredoingwhatevertheyweredoing.Thatwentonforquiteafewyears.Isawanotherneurologistthatyear.Yeah.ItwasveryhardbecauseIwastryingtoraisetwochildrenandIabsolutelynoenergyandIwasworking.Yeah.Itwasreallyhard.Thattimewasnotagreattimeforthem.

Yeah,ithas,andwetalkaboutit.Mysonwillsaytome,"You'reamuchnicerpersonnow,"becauseIdon'tlosemytemperallthetimebecauseitwasjustsuchashortsupplyofenergythatiftheydidn'tdowhatIsaidstraightaway,Ididn'thavetheenergytosayitagainsoI'djustbescreamingatthemallthetime.Emotionally,itwasareallytoughtime.I'mprettysureformyex-husbanditmusthavebeendifficultaswellbecausenobodyknewwhatwaswrong.Ididn'tevendiscusswithhimthatthiswaswhattheneurologistthought.Ileftitaside.

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Wherewerewenow?Ayearlater,Isawanotherneurologistandagain,itturnedouttobeactuallythesameneurologistthatIhadseentheyearbefore.Ididn'trealizebecauseonewasontheNHSandthisoneIthoughtI'dgoseesomebodyprivatelyandhaveadifferenttakeonit.Sameneurologist.Hedidn'trememberme.HetoldmeIwasimaginingmysymptomsbecauseIwasapractitioner.Ididn'thaveanotherbrainscanoranythinganditwasonlyaboutayearafterthatthatIsawanotherneurologistthatIwasworkingwithandhesaidtome...Hedidanotherbrainscan.Itwasanotherlesioninmybrainatthatpoint,sotwointhebrain.

Hesaid,"IfitisMS,it'sverymild.It'sslow.It'snotabig,fastprogression.It'sprobablyrelapsingandremitting.Let'sseehowyougo."Ileftitlikethatforprobablyaboutfourorfiveyears.Occasionalrelapses,occasionalsymptoms.Mostlymyeyes,mostlybowelandbladder.Somenumbnessoccasionally,here,there,andeverywhere.Ijustlivedwithit.Then,Ihadtohavebacksurgeryforadiscthathadslipped.Fourmonthsofreallyseverepain.Lotsofpainkillers.Youcanimaginewhatthatdidtomygut.IwenttoseemyneurologistformynormalcheckupandIdidn'tcouldn'tgetonthebedbecauseofmybackbeingsobad.

[00:07:00] Hehadmeseetheneurosurgeon.Hadsurgerywithhimthatsameweek.Itwasatonofrecovery.Ididn'treallythinkmuchaboutanythingelse.Inthattime,Icouldonlythinkofthepain.Icouldn'tsleep.Itwasnotgreat.ThisisgoingbackaboutsixyearsnowandthenIhad...IwasgoingtoPortugal.IhateflyingorIdid.Idon'tanymore,butIhatedflying.IgotontheplaneandIlostallsensationfrommywaistallthewaydowntomyfeet.Icalledmyex-husbandfromtheplanebeforewetookoffandIsaid,"HaveIgothealthinsurance?WhenIgettoPortugal,haveIgottravelinsurance?"

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IgottoPortugal.Isawaneurologistandhesaidtome,"Ifit'swaggingitsheadandbarking,it'sprobablyadog.YouhaveMS."IgotbacktoUK.Ihadmylumbarpunctureand[inaudible00:07:41]showedupthere.ItwasinJanuary,probablyaboutfiveyearsago,IhadaformaldiagnosisofrelapsingandremittingMS.Bythatpoint,Iprobablyhadaboutfourlesionsinmybrain,whichovertheyears,progressedtoabouteight.I'vethenhadanotherrelapseayearortwoafterthatwhereIlosttheuseofmyleftarmandthelesionsshowedupinmyspinalcordinmyneckandthatwasabouttwoincheslong.Itwasamassivelesion.

Ofcourse,asaphysiotherapist,ifyoucan'tuseyourarms,that'snotgreat.Thatwasparticularlystressful.Iwasonsteroidsatthetimeandtheythenstartedofferingmedisease-modifyingtherapyandIstarteddoingmyownresearchaswell.IsawahomeopathinSouthAfricawho



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offeredmeanalternative,soItookthat.Irecoveredwithinabouttwoweeks.AllthesymptomsIhaddisappeared.Whatwasitthatheputmeon?Noidea.Lotsoflittledropsandtincturesandstuff.Theword.Atthatpoint,Iwashavingterriblelossofwords.Ican'tevenrememberthenamenow.Ijustcan'trememberwordsorI'dbeoncourseovertheweekendandcomehomeandnotrememberit.I'mgoingtodothecourseagain.Itwilltakethreetimesofdoingthesamecoursetoactuallygettheinformationinmyhead.

Yeah.Withintwoweeks,Iwassharper.Thesensationinmyfeethadcomeback.Thesensationinmyarmwasbetter.Neurologicalsymptomswerebetter.Istayedonnaturalforaboutayearandthen...Oh,no,no.Thatwasforthelegone.WhenIhadthearmrelapse,IactuallyendedupinthehospitalbecauseIthoughtIwashavingaheartattackbecauseitwasmyleftarmandIwashavingheartpalpitationsandallsorts...WhileIwasinhospital,mysonwastakenintohospitalwithhisfirstrelapseandheendedupbeingdiagnosedwithMSacoupleofweekslater.Wewereactuallyinhospitalatthesametime.Hewasatboardingschoolatthetimeandhehadbeenhometheweekendbeforeandhehadsomestrangefacialsymptomsandstuff.IthoughthehadBell'spalsy.Hewentbacktoschoolandendeduplosingcompleteuseofonesideofhisbodyandhe's16.

[00:10:00] Thatreallymotivatedmetofindadifferentsolutionbecauseatthatpoint,Iwasreallylookingatthedisease-modifyingtherapiesthinkingthatthiswasthesolution.Ijustcouldn'tbelieve.He'smybeautifulboy.He'sperfect.Ifyoulookathim,he'sjustperfect.

JonathanOtto: Didyoufeellikeitwasyourfault?

Patient10: Yeah.

JonathanOtto: Howishedoingnow?

Patient10: [00:11:00]

He'sokay.HeseesAnthonyaswell,sohe'salsoglutenanddairy-free.He's19nowandhehasn'thadanysevererelapsessincethenbecausewegothimontheprogramwithinaboutsixmonths.Hedidtrythedisease-modifyingtherapyforaboutsixmonths,buthefoundtheself-injectioneverydayreallydifficultandinthatperiodoftime,beingonwhatAnthonyhadputhimon,he'dlostquitealotofweight.Theideawithdisease-modifyingtherapyisthatyoupinchaninch,soyou'vegottohaveaninchoffattoinjectyourselfsomewhereandashewaslosingweight,hejustdidn'thavethoseinchesanymore,whichmadeitquitedifficultforhimandalsonotfeelingsogreatfromthetherapyitselfaswell.Hetookaboutsixmonthsonitandthenhewentoff.

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Whetherornotthatmadeanydifference,it'sdifficulttoknow,butcertainlyatthatpoint,Iwasstartingtoseeallthedifferencesitwasmakingtome.Myenergylevelsweregoingup.Mygutwassortingitselfout.Mymemoryproblemsdisappeared.Ihaven'thadarelapseinthreeandahalfyearsatall.NothingthatwouldcountasasymptomunlessIameatingglutenordairy.ThenIhavefatigue.Ihavetinglinginmyfingersoreventomatoeswillaffectmelikethat.What'sreallyempoweringformewithmyselfandmysonisknowing.IknowwhatIdoworks.Althoughhe'sgototherthingsheneedstochangeinhislife.Heneedstostopsmoking.Heneedstogettobedearlier.Iunderstandthathe'sa19yearoldboy.Heprobablyneedstodrinkabitless,buthe'snormalkidandhetriestobeasnormalashecan.He'sgoingtomakesomanyallowancesinhislifeforthefactthathehasallthefatiguethathestruggleswith.Ifindthatreallydifficult.Ifeelheshouldbeabletogooutallnightanddrinkwithhismatesandgotoworkthenextday.

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That'swhatIwasdoingatthatageandheshouldbeabletodothat.It'slikesomething'sreallybeentakenawayfromhimfromaveryyoungagebecausehewasonly16atthetime.It'shardtowatchthat.Itreallyis.I'mreallygratefulIdidn'thaveitatthatageandit'shardformetowatchhimwithit.Alsoalltheallowanceshehastomakeortheallowanceshisfriendshavetomake.Everybodytravelstohimtocomeandseehim.Hedoesn'tseemtotraveltohisfriends.He'softenquiteisolatedifnobodycomesandhe'sisolatedathomebecausehe'stootiredtostilltravel



somewhere.Hehasn'tgothishandleonitjustasmuchIdoyet.He'snotascompliantwithhissupplements.He'snotascompliantwithlifestyle.He'sverycompliantwithdiet,butnotsocompliantwitheverythingelse.

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Yeah.Ijustwanthimtohavealittlepotential.Iwanthimtoreachhispotential,whateverthatisforhim.It'snotlikeIhaveapre-existingideaofwhatIwanthimtoachieveinmylife.It'sjustthatIfeelIknowinthelastthreeandahalfyearsforme,I'mknowledgehungry,soformetobeoncoursesandtoabsorbthatknowledgeandtoapplyitandhelppeoplewithitisreallyimportant.That'smefeelinglikeI'mlivinguptomypotential,whereasfortenyearsIdidn'tfeellikeIwasabletodothat.Lookingathim,he'sstillnotabletodothatandIcanseewhatitcouldbeforhim.Icouldseethepersonthathecouldbeifhewasn'tbeingweigheddownbyfatigue,ifhewasn'tbeingweigheddownalsowithconflictingmedicaladvicebecausehe'sgotmeinhisoneeargoing,"Youneedtodothis,"andhe'sgothisneurologistintheothereargoing,"Youshoulddodisease-modifyingtherapyandit'sreallydangerousthatyou'renottakingyourdrugs,"andallthatsortofstuff.

Asmuchashetrustsme,he'salsogotthistrustinthemedicalprofession.I'mfromthemedicalprofessionsothat'sevenharderforhim.Allhislifehe'sgrownupwithsomebodywho'samedicalprofessional,soIthinkthat'squitedifficultforhimandconflicting.

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Well,there'sagreatquotethatsaystheFBIdoesn'tdoresearchlikeaworriedmotherandwhatmotivatedmetodomyresearchandchangemylifeatthatpointwasmyson'sdiagnosis.Absolutely.Iwaswillingtohaveasmallerlife.I'dputupwithitfortenyears.Ididn'tthinktherewasanalternative,buttherewasnowayIwasgoingtoletmysonnothavealife.Therewasjustnoway.That'showIfoundAnthony.Wemetsociallyandwestartedchattingaboutthesethings.IhadalongconversationwithhimaboutmysonandIthought,well,inorderformysontobelievethatthisworks,I'llhavetodoitfirst.Ineedtoprovetohimthatthisworks.

Bythatpoint,IhaddonequitealotofresearchmyselfonspecificallyvitaminDbecausesomanypeopleweretalkingaboutitandthere'salotofresearchouttherethat'sabitconflictingintermsofMS.Iwasreadingtheconflictingevidenceifyoulike,thestuffthatdidn'tagreewiththepartyline.That'showIfoundAnthonyandwithinaboutsixmonths,thedifferenceinmewassomarkedthatmysonwashappytoseehimandhappytotrysomethingdifferent.

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Yes.Yes.Absolutely.Itstillpaysoffeveryday.It'sstillhardwork.Thisiswhatwewerejusttalkingabout.It'sstillhardworkgoingintoarestaurantandbeingthedifficultcustomer,ortellingfriends,"No,I'msorry.Ican'teatthemealyoupreparedforme."It'sstillhardwork.WakingupalittlebitearlierinthemorningifI'mcomingtoLondontomakesureI'vepackedwhateverI'mgoingtoeattoday.Allmysupplementsarein.Iremembertotakeminethismorning.It'sstillhardwork,butit'sworthiteveryday.Sometimesyouhavethatonepatientyouseeasapractitionerwhereyoucanbringyourownexperienceintothetreatmentandyouknowwhatyou'retalkingofis...I'mpassionateaboutitbecauseIknowitworksandI'mtalkingfromthepointofintegrityandknowledgeratherthanoh,Ithinkthiswouldbeniceifyoudid.

InthesamewaywiththebackpainIhad.KnowingwhatIdidaftermysurgerythathelpedmetostaywellandnotrelapseintomoreepisodesofbackpain.Iknowitworks.Idon'tsuggestthings.Itellyou,thisworks,becauseI'vedoneit.Theydosayit.Theydosayit,whichisamazing.Mydaughterisabitolderthanmyson.She's22.She'lloftenjusttextme,"Mum,I'msogratefulyou'remymum."Itisnicetobeappreciated.Itisnicethattheybothhavetheobjectivitytoseethehardworkandthey'vebothlearnedfromit.They'vebothtakensomethingfromit.I'mgratefulthattheycanseethat.Wehaveagoodrelationship,agreatrelationshipreally.

[00:17:00] Yeah.I'vebeenaphysiotherapistnowforabout22years.Inthattime,I'vetrainedasanacupuncturistaswell.Inthelastyear,I'vecompletedaqualificationasakinesiologistbecauseof



theworkAnthonydoesandthemuscletesting.That'ssomuchmoreaccuratethanthebloodtesting.WhenitcomesbacktothevitaminD,mybloodtestswereverybad.Imeantheycamebackatthelevelof24anditshouldbearound75,whateveritisthey'retesting.Ofcourse,mydoctorimmediatelyputmeonsomevitaminDsupplementsandayearlater,they'ddroppedevenfurther.ThiswaswhenIstartedreadingtheconflictingevidenceaboutvitaminD.WhenAnthonytestedme,hesaid,"Youdon'tneedvitaminD."Ithenaskedsomebodyelseandofcoursewhowasakinesiologisttotestmeandhewaslike,"Yourbodydoesn'tneedvitaminD."Theyusedthesamewordsverbatim,whichwasabitspooky.Yourbodysaysitdoesn'tneedanyvitaminD.Iwaslike,okay.

[00:18:00] ItrustedthemandIjustdidn'tgoonthevitaminDtherapythatwasbeingsuggestedbymyneurologistandwithinayear,twoyears,myvitaminDlevel'sgoneupto68.Itprettymuchhoversaroundthere,sothey'reconstantlytryingtoputmeonvitaminDsupplements,butmybodyjustdoesn'twantitandwhenwetestittogetherwiththeothersupplements,thatoneactuallyknocksouttheeffectsoftheothersupplements.It'sjustaquestionoftrustthatit'llbeokayintheend.Thefactthatithasgoneupthewayithasorganically.

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Mostofmypatientshavechronicpain.That'smyareaofspecialityatthemoment.I'mspecializinginchronicpelvicpainaswell,sopost-hysterectomy,postpartumpelvicpainaswell,whichoftenpresentsasbackpain,hippain,kneepain,butit'salloriginatingwithinthepelvis.Alotofmypatientsdocomeinwitharthritis.They'vejustacceptedthatthat'stheircondition.Heartdisease,whichIseeasanautoimmunedisease,diabetes,andMS,aswell.MEorfibromyalgia.Thingslikethat.Iseequitealotofpatientsbecausetheyhavechronicpain,theyhavesomethingelsegoingon.PrettymuchthefirstthingIdoisaskthemtofixtheirguts.SeeAntonyoranothernutritionaltherapistthatIrefertothatwillhelpthemwiththeirguthealthandstartthere.

Alsojustexperiment.Cutoutglutenforamonthandseehowyourjointsfeel,asastart.Well,that'sthereasonyou'rehere,isn'tit?Tolearnandhelpotherpeople.That'smy[inaudible00:19:18]really.It'sveryrewardingwhenoneofmyMSpatientswasjust...Shecametomebecauseshewashavingspasmsinherlegs,youknow,andwe'vegothertoapointwhereherenergyisbetter,herguthealthisbetter,herurgency,herurinaryfrequencyhasdisappeared.Hermemory'sbetter.She'splayinggolfagain.Shecamebecauseshehadadragginglegandshejustwantedabitofamassageonherlegandthetreatmentwegaveherwasjustsomuchmorethanthat.She'ssograteful.She'snotveryphysicallydemonstrativeperson,buteverynowandagainIgetahugbecauseshe'sjustsograteful,andI'mgratefultoherbecauseit'sbroughttogethereverythingI'veexperiencedandeverythingI'velearned,asapersonandasapractitioner.

[00:20:00] Ifitwasevenjusttohelpthisoneperson,itwasworthit.That'showIfeelaboutit.Ofcourse,shewillthengooutthereandspreadtheword,sootherpeoplewillgetmorehelpbecausetheydon'thavetojustaccept,particularlyadiagnosisofprimarily...progressiveMS.They'rejusttoldtogohomeandthere'snothingforthem.There'salotforthem.There'salotyoucandotohelpthem,whichisjustridiculousthatthemedicalprofessionisjustwritingthemalloffandgoing,well,goodluck.

JonathanOtto: Doyouthinkpeoplearebeingliedto?

Patient10: [00:21:00]

Yeah.Idon'tknowifit'sevenconsciouslybecausefromthemedicalprofession'spointofview,theneurologistmysonsawwasnearhisschool,whichisinSuffolk.Hisschool'sinSuffolk,buthe'snotthereanymore.Hesatinfrontofherandsaidtoher,"Whatismyprognosislooklike?WhatshouldIdo?IfIdon'twanttogoonthesedrugs,whatisitthatIneedtodo?"Shejustcouldn'tgivehimananswer.Hesaidtoher,"Ijustwanttoknowintenyears'time,whatdoesmypicturelooklikewithorwithoutthedrugs?"ShewassotiedbyasfarasIcangatherthebigpharma,whereifapatientisn'ttakingthedrugsthattheytoldtogiveyou,whichisaccordingtowhichof



theguidelines,theycan'tactuallysuggestanythingoutsideofit.They'renotallowedto,whichIthinkputsadoctorinarealpositionof...What'stheword.Whereyoudon'tknowifyou'reactingfromintegrity.Ifyouknowsomethingasadoctorandyoucan'tsaythattoyourpatient,aren'tyoujustlyingbyomissionbynottellingthem?

[00:22:00] You'rebeingboundlegallybywhateverother...Ican'tfindtheword,butyou'rebeingboundby...Becauseyou'resayingthis,you'renotallowedtosaythat.Ithinkit'scrazy.Well,isn'titalways?It'sallaboutthemoneyattheendoftheday.Ifsomethingdoesn'tseemrighttoyou,followthemoney.Inpolitics,inmedicine,inanything,really,ifitdoesn'tseemrighttoyou,followthemoneyandyou'llfindoutwhythatdoesn'tseemlogical.Ifpeoplearemakingchoicesthatdon'tseemliketheyarelogicalandtherightthingtodo,which,itfeelsforme,everytimeIsatinfrontofmyneurologistorsatinfrontofmyson'sneurologistatthatpoint,whyisitnotlogical?Whycan'tyouanswermethisquestion?Whycan'tyoutellmethis?That'swhenyoufollowthemoneyandyougo,"Oh,nowIsee.NowIsee."

Eitherthey'renottellingyoubecausethedrugistooexpensiveorlikewhenCampathwastakenoffthemarketandbroughtbackasFingolimodorwhateveritis,oneoftheMSdrugs,theonlyreasontheytookitoffofmarketandrebrandeditisbecausetheyputitbackonthreetimestheprice.Now,suddenlyit'sanewdrug.It'snotanewdrug.It'sthesamedrug.Justfollowthemoney.

[00:23:00] Ithinkifapatientisn'tgettingthecaretheyneedwhenthecareisouttheretobehad,absolutely.Weknowthecareisouttheretobehad,sowhyisitnotfilteringthroughtothepatient?

Patient: Oh,thatwasoneofthebiggestthingsIfeltwhenIwasinitiallyhavingsymptoms.I'vealwaystrustedmybody.It'salwaysworkedreallywell.I'dbeenquiteathletic.Suddenly,mybodyjustdidn'tworkanymore.Itjustdidn'tdowhatIwantedittodo.Idon'tknowifyou'veeverhadanyneurologicalsymptoms,butimaginetryingtopickupthatglassandyourhandisdoingthis,youknow?It'sjustnotdoingwhatyou'retellingittodo,sothere'sthiscompletedisconnectbetweenwhatyouwantandwhatyourbody'sgivingyou.Thereisthatsenseofbetrayal.

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Alsowantingtogoforhikesandskiingandhavinganactivelife,whichiswhatIlove,andyoucan'tdothat.Youfeelbetrayedbyyourbodybecauseyou'regoing,"Whyareyoudoingthistome?I'vealwaystreatedyouwellandnowyou'redoingthistome."It'sabitliketakinggoodcareofyourcaranditbreaksdownonthemotorway.Itisdefinitelyahugesenseofbetrayalfromyourbody.Gettingbacktomyson,aswell,whenhegotsick,justfeelinglikethefactthatmybodywasn'twellandnowthatIknowwhatIknowaboutgutflora,thinkingthathisgutflorawould'vebeenbadandprobablypredisposedhimtoanautoimmunediseaselateroninlife.Ijustthinkwell,hewould'veinheritedthatfromme,sothatbetrayalgoesovertwogenerations.Mydaughter'sontheautisticspectrum.Yougo,"Oh,isthatrelatedtohergutflora?"

There'sthatsenseofbetrayalthatgoesbackallthewaytothefactthatmymomwasonthepillandanalcoholicandallthosethingswherehergutwouldn'thavebeenhealthy.Doyouknow?Howfardoyoutrackthatbetrayalback?

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Oh,yougothedoctorandthey...Oh,youdon'twanttosaythey'renotinterested,butcertainlythatistheimpressionyougetwhenyou'rethere.Theirhandsaretiedbecausethey'retiedintothemedicalsocietiesthey'reworthandwhatthey'reallowedtosay.Whattheniceguidelinesare.Whatthepharmaceuticalcompaniesallowthemtosay.That'styingitbackintothesystemagain.TheMSnursethatIsee,forinstance,won'ttrainininjectiontherapybecausethenhehastorecommendcertainthingsandhejustdoesn'twanttobetiedinthatway.Hewantstofeellikehecanbemoreobjectiveandsoon.Yet,whenI'vetoldhimabouttheworkpeoplearedoinglikeTerryWahlsandpeopledoingpaleostuff,I'vesaidthattohim,everysixmonthsIseehim,I've



saidthattohimoverthelasttwoyearsandeverytimeIgoback,Isay,"Haveyoureadthatbookyet?""Oh,now,whoareyoutalkingaboutagain?"

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Well,ifyouhadanyinterest...Formyself,asapractitioner,ifapatientcomestomeandgoes,"Wow.I'vetreatedmyrheumatoidarthritisandlook,myhandsaremovingandit'sabsolutelyfineandthisiswhatIuse,"Igodosomeresearchonwhatthey'vedonebecauseI'minterested.Maybethatwouldbeagoodsuggestionforanotherpatient.Asaphysiotherapist,I'mnotallowedtorecommendanythingtoapatientfromasupplementandnutritionpointofview.That'scrazy.Howmanypeoplediefrompharmaceuticaldrugseveryyearthat'sbeenprescribedintherightway,takenfortherightcondition,attherightdosage?Isit250,000orsomethingayear?Idon'tknowthestatistics,butit'ssomewherearoundthere.

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Thenthere'sthisaurasurroundingsupplementationandeitherit'sawasteofmoneyorit'sdangerous.YethereIsit,threeandahalfyearslater,takingmassivedosesofcertainsupplementsandI'vebasicallycuredmyselfofallmyMSsymptoms.Mybrainscanprovesthat.I'vegonefromhavingeightlesionsinmybraintohavingonethat'sfading.TheoneinmyneckisjustaboutgoneandIhavenosymptoms.Doyouknow?Yougo,"Hmm..."Thenyoufeelbetrayed.AnotherthingthatmakesyoufeelbetrayedissomethingliketheNHSsaidthey'rewillingtopay1,000poundsamonthtowardsthedisease-modifyingtherapy.Formyson,whenhewasonthat,thosedrugsgetdeliveredtothedoor.Theserviceisabsolutelyamazing.You'vegotanursethatmonitorsyourprogressandmakessureyou'reokayandsoon,butthe300poundsamonthIspendonnutritionalsupplements,whichmeansIdon'thavetousethe1,000poundamonththingandI'mnotaloadontheNHSbecauseI'mnotseeingmyneurologisteverysixmonthsornothavingregularscansbecauseI'mnotill.Nobody'swillingtohelpmepayforthat.

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That'sabetrayalaswellbecauseisn'tmytaxmoneypayingfortheNHS?Whycan'tIchoosemyhealthcare?Whycan'tIsay,"ThisiswhatIchoosetodo.Thisiswhatworksforme.I'mtakingmyhealthintomyhands,soit'smyresponsibilitybecauseI'mtheonlyonetakingtheconsequenceshere.Financially,becausebigpharmaiswillingtogo50/50withtheNHS,you'vegotthisdealgoingon,andthat'sabetrayal,financiallyaswell.Betweenmeandmyson,oursupplementsareabout400quidamonth.Whereasifwewerebothondisease-modifyingtherapy,itwouldcostusnothinganditwouldcosttheNHStwograndamonth.That'smad.It'smad.IfI'mcomingupwithasolutiontomyhealthissuesthatischeaperthanwhatthey'resuggesting,whyshouldn'tIbeabletoclaimthat?

JonathanOtto: Thesystemisbroken.

Patient10: Absolutely.Yeah.Ithink,particularlyintheUKforacutecare,thesystemisgreatforacutecare,butanythingchronic,youcanforgetaboutit.Justforgetaboutit.Ijustseehowmanyofmypatientscomeinnowthatareonantacids.Whenthey'reolderandyourstomachacidhasgonedownanyway,butthey'reonantacidsandtoldtostayonthat...Ihadapatienttheotherdaythat'sbeenonNaproxenandOmeprazolefor8yearsbecausehemighthavepainbecausehe'shypermobile,butnobody'sgivenhimanykindofstabilityworkordiet,youknow?It'scrazy.

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Itdependsonwhatforanditdependsonwhatyouclassifyasadrug.Itake30supplementsaday.Arethosedrugs?Aretheynotdrugs?Whatdoweclassifyasadrug?They'rechangingthebiochemistryofmybody,soIdoseethemasdrugs,butIseethemasthedrugsthataresupportingmysystemratherthan...Idon'tbelieveinsuppressingtheimmunesystem.Ibelieveinsupportingit.Yourbody'saself-healingorganism,soifyoucangiveitthesupporteitherfromanutrientpointofview,whichissupplementsornutrient-based.Ifyouhaveaconditionwhereyouneedadrugtoadjustthat,maybeyouneedadrug,butputtingpatientsonchronicmedicationwheninfacttheirconditioncouldbeeithermodulatedbybody,whichmostdiseasescan,orsupplementation,ifthat'swhattheyneedmoreof,ratherthanadrugorevenjustashort-termdrug,whyaren'twedoingthat?



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It'sanenormouscost,justfiscally.Enormouscostforpeopletobeondrugschronicallyastheyare.Mybrother'sjusthada,essentially,aheartattacklastweekendandhe'sbeenonanti-cholesterolmedicationandbloodpressuremedicationformany,manyyears,butnotonesinglepersonhastalkedtohimaboutstressmanagementanddiet.Hecould'veavoidedallhisbloodpressureissuesandhischolesterolissuesbyaddressinghislifestyleanddiet.Notasingleperson.That'sabetrayal.That'sabetrayal.Ifhehaddiedlastweekend,that'swhatwouldmakemefeelbetrayed.Nowhe'sputonevenmoredrugs.Fortunately,hehasquiteanevolvedpractitionernow.He'sputhimoncoenzymeQ10.Whyhasn'thebeenonthatsincetheyputhimoncholesterolmedication?

[00:31:00]

WhatIdounderstand...Itmakesmeverymad.I'mverycalmtoday.ItmakesmeverymadmostlywhenItalkaboutthis.IthinkthethingthatIunderstandfromamedicalpractitionerpointofviewandalsowhatI'mstartingtounderstandfrommyneurologistbecauseIhavearealconflictwithmyneurologisteverytimeIseehim.AsI'vesaidtoyouearlier,I'vejustbackedoffonthatbecauseit'snotevenworththeeffort.It'snotworththeenergytoputintherebecauseI'mnotgoingtochangeanything.WhatIdounderstandisthatsomepatientsarejustnotwillingtoputintheworkandthisiswhereIthinkdrugscomein,butIdofeelthatapatientshouldbegiventheoptionstosay,eitheryoudothis.Thisisanoptionforyou.Changethelifestyleandwe'llmakeiteasierforyou.

Whydon'tweputourmoneyintoprogramsthatmakeiteasierforpeopletodothat?Oryou'vegottobeonthisdrug,whichwillgiveyousomanyyearslessormoretolive,dependingonthedrugthey'reon,andthesearethesideeffectsandthisiswhatyourlifeisgoingtolooklike,oryoucanhavethelifethatlookslikethat.Thereshouldbeareallycleardistinction,sothepatientismakinganinformedchoiceaboutthetreatmenttheychooseratherthanbeingtoldthattheymusthavethisfortheirdiabetesortheymusthavethatfortheirbloodpressureortheymusthavethisfortheirhighcholesterol.Doyousee?

[00:32:00] Itshouldbethattheseareyouroptions.Let'sputitallonthetable.Notjusttheoptionsthatbenefitpharmaceuticalcompaniesoristhequickandeasyfix.Iunderstandthatmostpeoplearejusttoolazy,toobusy,toouninterestedintheirownbiologytodotheresearchlikeIdid,andevenifsomebodyelsehasdonetheresearchforthem,toevenreadthebook,andevenoncetheyhavereadthebooktoactuallyimplementthechangesbecauseit'shard.Itishard,butit'snotashardasnothavingthatlife.IwentforahikewithmyboyfriendnottoolongagoontheCoastalPath,andwehiked12miles.Now,that'snotsomethingIwould'vethoughtIcoulddothreeyearsago.Okay,hikingaroundthecornerwasalotforme.Walkingupmystairswasalotforme.

[00:33:00]

Wewereonourwaybackhomeandwewereinalittlecoastaltownandtheyhadneverheardofglutenordairyfreefoodandofcourse,then,you'vegotthestressofwhatamIgoingtoeattonight.AllIreallywantedwasabowloffishandchips.IjustwantedfishandchipsandIhaven'thadthatforyearsandyears.WalkingbackandIwasgettingsteadilyintoaworsemoodandmyboyfriendsaidtome,"What'sgoingon?"Isaidtohim,"Ijustfeelreally,reallyupsetthatIcan'tjusthavesomefishandchipstonight.Whycan'tIjustbethatgirl?Whycan'tIjustbethegirlwhodoesn'thavetothinkohmyGod,I'mgoingtohavetofindthis."It'sboring.It'sboringtohavetothinkaboutfoodallthetime.Ihatethinkingaboutfoodatthebestoftimes,sohavingtothinkaboutitallthetimeisreallydraining.

Helookedatmeandhesaidtome,"Haveyouforgottenthereasonyoucanwalk12miles?"BecauseifIwasthegirlwhoatefishandchips,Iwouldn'tbethegirlwhocanwalkthe12milesandthat'smytradeoff.Evenforme,havingseenthebenefits,it'sstillhard.Forsomebodywhohasn'tseenthebenefitstothenmakethosechangesandwhoisn'tasmotivatedasIwasbecauseofmyson,maybeitistoohard.Idon'tknow.Iseethatwithpatientseveryday.Isay,"Thesearetheexercisesyouneedtodonottohavebackpain,"sothat'swhatmedicalpractitionersare



[00:34:00] facedwithisdisinterestfromthepatient’s,lackofmotivation.You'retalkingaboutpeoplewhoarealreadylowinenergyandlowinmood.Nowyouwanttotellthemtodosomethingthat'shard?That'sthedifficultyoffunctionalmedicineorthedifficultyofnutritionalmedicineoflifestyleandthatsortofstuff.Igetit,butIstillthinkthatapatientshouldbegiventheoption.

Wow.Everybody'sasnowflake,soeachpersonhastohaveanindividualizedapproach,andagain,that'sdifficult.

JonathanOtto: Eventhoughyousaythatbecause...

Patient10: [00:35:00]

Startwiththegut.Thatisabsolutelymy...Thefirstthing.ForeverybodyIseethathasanautoimmunedisease.Startwiththegut.Asanacupuncturist,westartwiththegut.Hippocratessaidthis,Idon'tknowknowhowmanythousandsofyearsagohelived,"Alldiseasesstartinthegut."Ifsomething'sgonewronginthegut,you'rescrewed.You’vegottofixthatfirstbecauseitdoesn'tmatterwhatyouputintothebodyafterthat,beitadrugorbeitasupplementorbeitfood.Ifyougutisn'tgoingtoabsorbit,ifyou'regutisn'tgoingtokeepitinandnotcreatethismimicrythatweseewithglutenanddairy,youlostalready.Youwon'tseethebenefitsofthatifyouhaven'thealedthegutfirst.Fromtheprotocolpointofview,eventhoughthisisn'tmyspeciality,Idefinitelyalwaysstartwiththegut.

JonathanOtto: Howdoyoudothatinyourpractice?

Patient10: [00:36:00]

HowIdidthatformyselfwasprobioticsandcuttingoutglutenanddairyanddeadlynightshades.That'smythingthatworkedforme.Formyson,he'sokaywiththedeadlynightshades,sohedoesn'thaveglutenanddairy.Idon'teventhinkhestartedoffonamajorprobioticprogrambecauseminewasquiteintenseforsometime.Ithinkitwas...SomepeoplelikeNatashaMcBriderecommendthebonebrothsandtheGAPS-styleapproach,whichiswhatIdotendtoaskpeopletogoandreadthebookatleast,butthatishard.Itishardtoimplementandtodo.Ittakestimeandeffort.Somepeoplejustdon'thavethemotivationorthetimeorinteresttoeventakeon.IthinkliketheGAPSprotocolisaprettygoodonetostarttohealthegut.

JonathanOtto: Great.Now,solet'ssayI'mcomingtoyou.I'msick.Ihaveanautoimmunediseaseorwhateveritis.ThefirstthingthatIneedtodoishealmygut.

Patient10: Yeah.Okay.IwouldprobablysendsomebodywithanautoimmunediseasetoAnthonytobehonestwithyoubecausetheyneedtobetestedtoseeexactlywhichprobioticistherightoneforthemandiftheyevenneedonebecauseitcouldbethatthegutwillhealitselfifyoustartcuttingouttheirritants.Itcouldbethatyouneedcertainprobioticsorcertainstrains.That'swhatyourgutneedsbecauseit'sindividualtoeachperson,everymicrobiomeisasindividualasyouandIare.

[00:37:00]

Asmuchasit'snicetothinkthere'samonotherapeuticapproachtoanything,therereallyisn't.Therereallyisn't.Thisiswhatwehearallthetime.We'relookingforacureforcancer.We'relookingforacureforParkinson's.We'relookingforacure.Imeanbylookingatamonotherapeuticapproachforpeoplewhoareasindividualasthecellsinyourbody.Howcanyoufindoneapproachthatworksforeverybody?It'sjustnevergoingtohappen.Ifyoudothat,thisiswhereyouhaveyoursideeffectsbecauseadrugmightblanket,youknow,doonethingforjustabouteverybody.It'sgoingtokill250,000ofthem,whichisokay,becauseit'sasmallmargin,butitisgoingtoloweryourcholesterol,forinstance.

Whatwe'renotlookingatiswhatisthatdoingfromafreeradicalpointofviewforthosepeople?Areyoulookingatthenetbenefitofthatdrug?Whereasyoucansaytheindividualapproachformeformycholesterolistolowermystress.Theindividualapproachforyoutoloweryourcholesterolistocutoutcertainfoods.Doyousee?Whichisnotamono-therapeuticresearch.AstudyIrecentlyreadonAlzheimer'sandself-diagnosedmemoryloss.Theyhadpeoplethatthey



[00:38:00] didn'tdoamonotherapeuticapproach.Theyindividualizedtheprogramsforeachpersonandtheyhadawesomeresults.Reallyawesomeresults.Eachpersonwasgivenbloodtestingforwhattheyneeded.

Obviously,thattakestimeandeffort.Igetthat.Dowehavethattimeandeffort?Well,ifwelookathowmanybillionswe'respendingondrugs,surelysomeofthatmoneycanberedirectedintorathergivingpatientscareatthepointofcontact,thefirstpointofcontact.Ratherthanthedrugsaregoingtobetakenforthenext40,60years.

JonathanOtto: Haveyoueverseenadocumentarythathasfocusedonautoimmunediseasebefore?

Patient10: [00:40:00]

Ithinkthetwodocumentariesthatreallyshiftedmythinkingnotsomuchaboutautoimmunediseasebutaboutdietsandpossiblyeventhepharmaceuticalindustrywasprobably...Oh,isitHealthMatters?Whatwasthat...FoodMatters?Theywerethecompanythatwereinvolvedinthemakingofthosetwodocumentariesdealingwithsupplementationasopposedtoadrugoradietandsupplementationasopposedtoadrug.ThatshiftedmybeliefandIapproachedmyownhealth.

JonathanOtto: That'sawesome.Couldyousaythatsavedyourlife?

Patient10: [00:41:00]

Itdependsonwhatyoudefineaslife.MaybeMSwasn'tgoingtokillme,butitcertainlywasstealingyearsandqualityoflifefromme.Evenmy16yearold,mysonnowat19,thisweek,hesaidtome,"Mum,MShasgivenusmorethanit'stakenaway,"andwhathemeansbythatisthatithasconnectedustoahealthierlifestyletothepointthatwehavemoreenergyandwehavemoreofagratitudefortheenergywehave,Isuppose,andit'sjustgivenusadifferentapproachtolife.Thefactthatwe'vehadthisautoimmunediseaseandapproacheditinacertainwayhasbeenagiftratherthanthepersonwhodoesjusttakesthedoctorgivesbecausethere'snothingreallythatseriouswrongwithyou.DoyouknowwhatI'msaying?

It'snotlikeyou'relookingatalifeofdisabilityorevenimminentdeath.Youjusthavealittlebitofhighbloodpressure.Maybethatgivesyouthatpictureofwithinfiveyears,youwon'tbewalking,orwithintenyears...Youdon'thavethehoursinyourdaythatotherpeoplehave.Itcertainly...Yeah.It'sgivenmemorelifeinmylife.Inmylife.Inmyhours,morelifeinthehoursthatI'vegot.Idon'tknowifit'sgivenmemorehours.AbuscanhitmewhenIwalkoutside.

[00:42:00]

IsupposewhatIwouldsayisthatifyoufeellikeyou'renotwell,andpeopleknowwhenthey'renotwell.We'reintelligentbeings.Ifyoufeellikeyou'renotfunctioningatyouroptimumandyou'renotachievingwhatyouwanteverydaybecauseeitheryou'retootiredoryoudon'tfeelwelloryou'reinpainorsomethingjustdoesn'tfeelright.Iseethisspecificallywithpeoplewiththyroidstuff,theyjustdon'tfeelright.Theydon'tquiteknowwhat'swrongwiththem.Theyjustdon'tfeelright.Iwouldreallyencouragethemtoatleastresearchhealthandresearchsomebodywhocanhelpthemratherthanjustbeingfobbedoffandtoldthateitherthere'snothingwrongwiththem,that'sitallintheirhead,here'sadrugthat'llhelp,youknow?

[00:43:00]

Maketheefforttoresearch.Maketheeffortbecauseitpaysoffbigtime.Itreallypaysoffbigtime.Idon'thaveamomentinmydaywhereIdon'tappreciatethefactthatIcanwalkherefromOxfordCircuitStation.It'ssevenminutes'walk.Icandoit.Itdoesn'tsoundlikeabigthing,butitis.Itreallyis.

JonathanOtto: Areyouhappy?

Patient10: Yeah.Yeah.I'mhappy.I'mhappyIcanwearmyheels.Ialmostworethemtodayjusttoshowoff,butIdidn't.Absolutely.IamsogratefulthatIamthepersonthatIamandthatI'vegotthebraininmyhead.It'slikeDr.Seusssays,"You'vegotabraininyourheadandfeetinyourshoesandyoucangowhereveryouchoose."That'sabigthing.Usethebraininyourheadandletyourfeettake



youtoahealthylifewhereyoufeelthatyou'rereachingyourpotential,thatyoufeellikeyouaregettingthelifeinthehoursratherthanjustthe24hoursinyourday.Putsomelifeinthosehours.

[00:44:00]

Verymuchso.AsIwassayingthatpatientIhave...Thefactthatshecangobacktoplayinggolf.Thefactthatshe'sentertainingagain.She'sgotmorelife.Ratherthanjustbeingonthesofathreeorfourhourseveryafternoonbecauseshewastootiredbecauseshe'dgoneanddonethegroceryshopthismorning,she'snowdoingthegroceryshop,entertainingpeople,goingtoplaygolf.She'sgotmorelife.What'slifeallabout?

[00:45:00]

Fourteenyearsago,Ifeltbetrayedbymybody.Itjustwouldn'tdowhatIexpectedittodoandIsawmanydoctors.IwasdiagnosedwitheverythingfromIBStoitbeingallinmyheadtoevenjustbelievingitwasstressandtiredness.Eventually,IgotadiagnosisofMS,whichIacceptedandIlivedwithforafewyearsuntilmysonwasdiagnosedwithMSaswell,andIdecidedhewasnotgoingtohavethatsmallerlife.IwantedhimtohavemorequalityoflifethanIwasexperiencingatthatpoint,soIstarteddoingmyresearchintohealthandwellnessmoresoandsetasidemybeliefsasamedicalpractitionerofwhatwaspossibleforus.Inowhavefarmorequalityoflifehavingchangedmydiet,havingchangedmylifestyle,andsodoesmyson.

Eventhoughwestillhavetomakeadailyeffort,I'dencourageyoutowatchthisbecauseitwouldbeworthitifyou'renotfeelingwell,ifyou'renotfeelingright,ifyourdoctorsdon'tknowwhat'swrongwithyouoryoudon'tknowwhat'swrongwithyou.Maybeyourbodyhasbetrayedyou.Maybethemedicalprofessionhasbetrayedyou.Ifyouwatchthis,maybesomebodycansaysomethingthatwillhelpyouandyou'llbeabletosaveyourlifeandjusthavemorequalityoflifeaswell.


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Dr.TomO’Bryan: WellRory,Thankyousoverymuchforbeingherewithustoday.

Patient11: You'reverywelcome,thankyoufortheinvite.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Yes,yes.You'vebeendiagnosedwithmultiplesclerosis?

Patient11: Thatiscorrect,yes.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Anautoimmunedisease.Canyoutellusthestoryabouthowyoudevelopedthisandwhenyou

werediagnoses?

Patient11: IwasdiagnosedinApril2014butpriortothatI'dbeengoingthrough,approximatelythreetofouryearsofbeingtreatedforwhatwasclassifiedatthetimeassportsrelatedinjuries.I'vealwaysbeenveryathleticsoI'vebeenintocycling,running,swimmingformyentirelife.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Soundslikeatriathlete.

Patient11: Iwasworkingmywaytowardsbeingatriathlete,I'dneverputthethreetogether.


Patient11: [00:01:00]

Yes,IwouldlovetogettothatpositionwhereIcouldatriathlon.I'dbeentreatedforthreetofouryears,variousdifferenttreatments,I'dbeentophysiotherapy,wasgivensomanydifferentexercisestocarryoutinanattempttogetmebacktorunning.I'vehadcortisoneinjections,fartoomanyofthemtoandonceIgotbetterorseemedtobebetterforawhiletherewasalwaysatimewheresomethingwouldhappenthatwouldalmostsetmebackanditwouldsetmebacktowhereIwas,backtothestartofwhatisitthatiscausingthisissue.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Whatwereyoursymptoms?

Patient11: [00:02:00]

Allofthem,IhadnoproblemwiththetreatmentsIwasgiven.Itwas…Iwouldhaveproblemswithmyhipsortherewouldbedifficulty…ThepredominateonethatIhadwas…Ihaddifficultywithmylefthip,itwoulddragwhich…originallyIwasdiagnosedanditwassomethingthatwassaiditreallyonlyhappenstopeopleinpoweractivitiessosprinting,andfootballorgameslikethatwhereyouwouldhaveonesideofyourbodywouldbemoreaffectedthantheother…Iwasgettingstiffnessonbothmyinnerhipflexors.

Myphysioatthetimewaslike,Ijustdon'tunderstandwhyyou’regettinginbothbutbecauseI'mveryambidextrouswewereabletocomeupwithalogicalexplanationastowhyImightbesufferinginthewayIwas.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Sotheysoothedourinquisitivemind?

Patient11: [00:03:00]

Yes,thephysio[said]“I'veneverhadacaselikethis.”IknewwhenIusetoplayfootball,myopponentsdidn'tknowifIwasleftorrightfootedbecauseIwasequallystrongonbothsides.ThetwothingsseemtogotogetherastoawellIdon'thaveaparticularlystrongersidethereforeisn'titlogicalthatIcouldhavethisspasmshappeningonbothhipflexors.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Thefootballyou'rereferringtointheU.S,wecallsoccer?

Patient11: Soccer,yes.Footballasweprefertocallit,therestoftheworldcallsitsoccer.



Dr.TomO’Bryan: Footballastherestoftheworldcallsit,justsotheU.S.audienceunderstandswhatyou'rereferringto.

Patient11: Yes,I'mreferringtosoccer.Hewouldgivemeexercisesthatwouldstrengthenmyglutes,that'swherethemainissuewasfromhispointofview.


Patient11: [00:04:00]

OnceIcouldgetbacktosomelevelofrunning,itwasneverasIwoulddescribeas,freeflowing,therewouldalwaysseemtobeanissuewhereI'dsay,"Yep,hipflexorisflaringupagain."Bythatstage,I'dgottothepointIwasfullybelievingthatwaswhattheproblemwas.ItwasonlyafterI'dgonethroughastageofIstartedrunningagain…Iwasdoingacrosscountry,itwasafirsttimeforovertwenty-fiveyearsthatI'drunacrosscountry...IfoundthatasIwasrunningupthehill,withmyleftleg…IonlyhadcontroloverthetoeareaandsoI'dberunningupthehill,therightfootwouldfullyplowonbuttheleft,Icouldonlyusethetoes.Bytheendoftherace,itwastherealizationthattherewasstillsomethingfundamentallywrong.I'dbeendoingthegluteexercisesnonstopforthebestpartofsixmonths…there'snowaythatthiscanjustbeanissuewithmyglutes,there'ssomethingelse.

[00:05:00] Stillitwastryingtofindwhatitwas,I'dgottothestagewherebecausethishadbeengoingonfortwo,threeyears…Ijustwantedtogotothehospitaloneday,betakenininthemorning,haveabatteryofteststhrownatmesothatbytheendofthedayIcouldwalkoutandgo,that'swhatitis.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Thisistheproblem,nowlet'sfixit.

Patient11: Thisistheproblem,nowlet'sfixit.Iactuallydid,oneofmydoctorshadsaid,lookifthereisaproblemgotoA&Eonemorning.Justtryandgetitresolved.Idid,A&Edidwhattheydoforaccidentandemergencyandit'snotanemergency.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Gowhere?

Patient11: Theaccidentandemergency.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Emergencyroomofthehospital?

Patient11: Yes.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Isee. [00:06:00] Patient11:

Theysaidit'snotanemergency,youcanstilldoeverythingsogoaway.Ialmostwantedtopullmyhairout.HowmuchlongerdoIneedtocarryonwithoutgettingananswer?Thatcarriedon,Ievensawoneconsultant,IfounditreallyinterestingbecauseIsawtheconsultant.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: That'sadoctor,consultantsinEnglandaredoctors?

Patient11: [00:07:00]

Yes,adoctor,highlyqualifieddoctorwhotestedme…testedmyreflexesandmyreflexesinmykneeweresoquick…hewaslikewowthat'sabsolutelybrilliant,yourfasttwitchmusclereflexesarethequickestI'veeverknown.Thisisabsolutelybrilliant,Iwasthinking,hesaidyoumustbeasprinter.Isaidwell,whenIwasyoungerIwasasprinter,nowadaysI'mmoreoflongdistanceswhenI'mwellenoughtodothose.I'maimingtodoamarathon,hewent,you'renomarathonrunner,you'renotbuilttodomarathons.Iwasslightlybiggerinthosedays,hewastheonewhogavemethecortisoneinjectionswhichIgotslightlybetter,Iwasabletogetbackonmybike.

Again,threemonthsafterbeingonthebikedoingfiftytoahundredmilesaweekonthebike,



[00:08:00]

everythingwentbacktosquareone.Iwasdoingthecyclingsectionoftheduathlon…myfriendhaddonethefirstrunhandedovertome,Ididthecycle.IgottotheendofthecycleandwasgoingintothetransitionareaandIcouldn'tgetoffmybike.Ididn'thavethecontrolovermyhips.ToactuallyliftmylegoverthebikeframetothenwalkintotransitionandIneededhelptogetoffofmybike.Again,IwasjustatthatpointofhowmuchlongercanitpossiblytaketogetaproperdiagnosisofwhateverI'vegot?

IwantedtobeabletodowhatIwasdoing,IwantedtogetthroughaperiodoftimewhereIcouldbedoingthesportsIwantedtodowithoutthinkingthatsomething'sgoingtogowrong.


Patient11: [00:09:00]

Again,IstartedgoingbacktodoingtheexercisesI'dbeengivenbythephysioandthenfourmonthslatersawanotherconsultant.Hesaid,Icanseethatyou'vegotaproblembutIalsothinkyou'vegotanotherproblemandI'mgoingtoreferyoutoaneurologist.Itwasatthatstagewhere,justthewordsI'mgoingtosendyoutoaneurologist,itwaslike,thatdoesn'tsoundsogood.Withoutreallyfullyunderstandingwhataneurologistreallyislookingat...That'swhenIstartedtheresearchingwhatisthisneurologistgoingtobelookingatwhenIgotoseethemthattheymaybegivingmetheinformationfor.

[00:10:00]

Istartedlookingatallthedifferentillnessesanddiseasesthatneurologistlookat.IwentfromAtoZed…Idon'tmindthat,Ireallydon'twantthatone,Ihavethesymptomsforsomeofthese,thatoneIreallydon'twant…andafriendatthetime,inbetweenwhenIsawtheneurologistandhadtheMRIscans,Iwaswaitingfortheresults….Shesaidtome,"Sowhatinyourmindisworstcasescenario?"Isaid,"Havingreadthroughwhatthey'relookingat,probablyforme,Idon'twantthemtoturnaroundandsayyouhaveMS."

Itwasn'tworstcasescenario,InowknowthatbecauseIknowmoreaboutthediseaseitself,thereislotsmorethatcouldbeworse.Istillrecallthedaywhereshesaidtome,"We'vegonethroughalltestsandwe'velookedatthescansandit'sMS."Iactuallyfeltawholeweightofreliefliftedoffofmyshoulders.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Becausenowyouknew.

Patient11: [00:11:00]

BecausenowIhadadefinitiveanswerastowhatwascausingalloftheissuesthatIwashavinganditmeantthatIcouldnowfigureoutwhatIneededtodotomoveon.Yes,I'vegotadiagnosis,firstthingtodowastofindoutwhatthatactuallymeantforme.Atthatstage,I'dreadalittlebitaboutwhatMSis,Istilldidn'tunderstandit.Ithinkformostautoimmunediseaseswecanhearthenamesofthediseases,wehaveanideaofwhatthatmighthaveonthepersonbutit'sonlywhenyoureallylookindepththatyoustartunderstandingexactlywhat'sgoingonandyousuddenlyrealizethatthesmallchangesandthesmalldifferencesthattherearebetweendifferenttypesofMSandalsohowforeachindividualpersonitisthereexperienceisuniquetothem.Notwopeoplearethesame.


Howmanyyearswasitthatyouweresufferingbeforeyougotthediagnosis?

Patient11: Itwasatleastfouryears.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Fouryears. Patient11:

ThereasonwhyIknowaboutitisbyprofession,I'mananalysis.Dataformeiscritical.


Patient11: Asanathlete,throughmyrunning…IhadallthedataIneededthroughmyGPSwatch.



Dr.TomO’Bryan: You'dbeenkeepingtrackofyourpace,yourdistance?

Patient11: Ikneweverything,Iknewwhatthegradientswere…IcouldseethegrassandIwasjustlovingeverybitaboutit.IwasabletotrackbacktowhatIbelievewasthefirstrealincidentthatwasnoticeabletomethatsaidsomethingiswrong.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Whendidyouseeyourfirstconsultantaboutthis? [00:13:00] Patient11:

FirstconsultantIsawwasinJune2013.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Howlongafteryoursymptomshadbegun?

Patient11: Theywerebythatstageitwastwoyears.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Twoyearsandyouhadseenthephysio?

Patient11: Seenthephysioandeverythingseemedlogical.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Itfitapatternandthephysiotherapistisnotadoctorwhoistrainedtododiagnosisofneurologicaldiseasessoit'snotliketheyfelldownonthejob?

Patient11: Definitelynot.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Themadesomelogicalconclusions,youworkedonit,gotalittlebetter,gotworse,gotalittlebetter,gotworseandthenonedayyouwentandsawaconsultant,adoctor,andthatwastwoyearsintoyoursuffering?

Patient11: Yes.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: WhathappenedwhenyoureceivedthediagnosisofMS,whatdidtheyrecommendtoyou?

Patient11: [00:14:00]

Withhindsight,therecommendationshegaveme,thetwokeyrecommendationsshegaveme,onewasaroundtheamountofvitaminDthatIshouldtakewhichwastotakeitupto5000internationalunitsadaywhichiscomparedwithwhatyouwouldnormallygetahugeamountandthesecondrecommendationshesaidtomewasIstronglyrecommendthatyoudonotgoontotheinternetandlookupeverythingaboutMSbecausethere'salotofrubbishontheinternetthatwilljustconfuseyou,itwillworryyoumore.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Oh,I'veneverheardthatonebefore.

Patient11: [00:15:00]

Asananalysis,theinternetisatoolthatIuseallthetime.I'moldenoughtoknowaboutbalanceandit'snotjustaboutlookinguponesiteandsayingwhatifitsaysitontheinternetanditsaysitonthatsitethatthat'sthetruth.It'stakingalotofinformation,processingitandthendecidingformyselfasanadultwhatthingsIbelieveandwhatIdon'tbelieve.Formeit'stheworstpossibleadvicethatyoucangivetosomebody…Youcan'tjustgivethemamajorboltoflightningandnotgivethemanyinformation…Shedidnothaveanyliteraturethatshecouldgivemeaboutthedisease.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Yourmessagewas,themessageyoureceivedwas,thisisadebilitatingdiseaseyouhave,don'tresearchitonyourownbecausethenyou'regoingtocomebackandaskmequestionandbotherme,ratherjustdowhatIsay.

Patient11: [00:16:00]

Iwouldn'tevensayitwasacaseofdowhatIbecauseshedidn'treallygivemeanyinformationatall.Itwasarealcaseofyou'vegotprimaryprogressiveMS,there'snotreallymuchIcandoforyou.



Dr.TomO’Bryan: Sojustgohomeandlivewithit?

Patient11: Effectivelyyes.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Thenyou'reananalysisandyou'reanathlete,thatwasn'tgoingtowork.

Patient11: Therewasnowaythatwasevergoingtowork.Therealannoyingthingformeistherearegoingtobesomanypeoplethatwillgotoconsultantslikeherthatwillbelieveeverysinglethingthattheysayandwon'tdoanything.


Patient11: [00:17:00]

Formethat'stheworstthingthatyoucouldpossiblydoisgivethemadiagnosisofarealdebilitatingdiseaseandthennotgivethemanyinformationatallandoneofthegreatestsourcesofinformationyouactuallysaytothem,don'tlookatitbecausethat'sgoingtogiveyouthewronginformationanditcouldscareyou.No,whatscaresmeisthatyou'renotgivingmeanyinformationatallotherthen,yesyou'veliftedthatburdenI'venowgotsomethingIcansay,"that'swhatyou'vegot,you'vegotMS,"Butdon'ttheneffectivelysay,"You'vegotMS,there'sthedoor,offyougo."

PeopleneedtotakeresponsibilityfortheirownactionsandwhattheydoandthatiswhatIdidandthat'swhatIwillcontinuetodo.


Let'sgobacktowhenshesaidthattoyouinheroffice.Yourdoctorsaidyouhaveadebilitatingdisease,Idonotwantyoutogoontheinternettolookintothisandgohome.Howdidyoufeelwalkingoutoftheoffice?

Patient11: [00:19:00]

Therewasacombinationofthingsgoingon.Firstandforemost,therewasthatfeelingofyou'vebeengivenadiagnosis,younowknowwhatyou'vegot.Whatdoesitreallymean?Therewasalsosomeangerinthereof…you'vegivenmenoinformationwhatsoeverandnoteventothedegreeofnowgospeaktoyourdoctorandgetmoreinformationfromthem.Itwasarealclassiccaseof,hereyouare,you'vegotanillness,goodbye.It'sjustnotawaytotreatanybody.Youcan'tjustgivethemsomethingthat'sarealshock,althoughbythatstage,I'dalreadyprettymuchfigureditoutmyself.ThatthatworstcasescenariothatI'dtalkedaboutwaswhatIhad.Itwasjustgettingthatconfirmationbutyoucan'tjustgivesomebodybadnewsandnotgivesomesortofclarityastowhatitcouldmean.Evenifit'sabasicoversightofwhatthatmeans,whatcouldhappen.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Whattheprogressionwillbe,likelytobe,tolayoutthepictureforyou. [00:20:00] Patient11:

Evenifit'sayou'vegotprimaryprogressivesothereforeyouwillgetworse,potentially…butwedon'tknowoverwhatstage…Itmightbethatitcouldhappenveryquicklyoritmightbeveryslow…Youmightnotnoticeanyworseningatallbuttonotgiveanyofthatinformationatalljustleavesthepatientontheirown.

Havinggonethroughtheyearsoffrustrationofnotknowingtoalmostthedelightofright,I'vegotsomethingthat'sadefinitebutthentonotgiveanycrumbsofinformationthatcouldhelp.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Didyoufeelabandoned? [00:21:00] Patient11:

Bythatparticularconsultant,completely.ThatreallywasacaseofI'vedoneasmuchasIcan,next.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: IntheU.S.wecallthatthePontiusPilatesyndrome,theywashtheirhandsandsendyouonyourway.



Patient11: Yes,itreallywas.Itwas,I'mtryingtothinknow,Ihavenotseenthatconsultantagainandthey'rehavebeen…Itriedsomecommunicationswithherandthere'snotbeenanycommunicationthat'scomebacktome.IwantedsomeinputfromherwhenIstartedmyresearchintoLDN,Iwantedtoseewhat,I'veheardaboutthismedicine,doyouknowanything?Canyougivemesomeinformation?I'veheardnothingback.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Noresponse.

Patient11: Noresponseatall.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: WhatdidyoufindoutaboutLDN? [00:22:00] Patient11: [00:23:00]

ItwasoneofthosewhereonceIgotmyinitialdiagnosis,Iwentontheinternetandstartedresearch.LDNcameupassomethingthatmightpossiblybeabletohelpme.AtthatstageIwasstillgoingthroughthatinitialresearchperiodwasonewhereIdidn'treallydigintoitintoomuchdetailanditwasonlyonceIwasonholidayin2015thatIreallylookedintoitandstartedfollowingitas,lookingatdifferentwebsitesthatweregivingtestimonialsonLDN,seeingthedifferenceitwashavingonpeople’slivesandtheimpactitwashaving.Justrealizingthathereissomethingthathasthepotentialthatcouldbelifechangingforme.Itneededmetogiveitrealseriousconsideration.

AssoonasIcamebackfromholiday,I'dalreadyhadanappointmentlinedupwithmyMSspecialistsoIwentandsawherandaftergoingthroughthenormalquestionsandanswersthatwehave,shesaid,"Anymorequestions?"Isaid"Yep,whatdoyouknowaboutLowDoseNaltrexone?"Shesaid,"Oh,welltheconsultantsherdon'treallyrecommendit,noneofthemwillsignoffasthemedicineforyoutobeusing,"okaythen.I'mstillgoingtobetryingit,whetherornottheyapproveordisapprove,mydecisionisthatatsomestageIwillbetryingit.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Becauseyourresearchhasshown? [00:24:00] Patient11:

MyresearchhasshownthatforthevastmajorityofpeoplethatIwasabletofind,theywerereceivingbenefitfromit.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Whatwasthepotentialsideeffects?

Patient11: FromwhatIcouldfine,therewerenone,otherthanintheinitialstagetheremightbesomeissueswithpotentialsleepissues.Iwaspreparedforthat.I'dseentheMSnursesonWednesday,thefollowingMondayIwenttoseemydoctor.Isawthedoctor,Iwasonlythereforonething,willyouprescribeLDNforme?Shesaid,"Iknownothingaboutit,"despitethefactthatIgaveherthepackthat'savailablethatdaythatIgaveherthepack.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Thatdayyougaveherthepack.

Patient11: Shesaid,IneedtodomyresearchandIthought,wellthat'sfine.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: That'sfair.

Patient11: [00:25:00]

That'sfair,youdon'twanttosuddenlystartprescribingsomething.YousaidonceI'vedonetheresearchwhatIwillthendoisIwillspeakwiththeneurologistatthehospitalandfindoutwhattheythink.ItwasatthatpointwhereIknewthatifyouweregoingtogototheleadneurologist,I'vealreadybeentold,I'mnotgoingtorecommendit,therewasnopointinmeexpectingyoutocomebackatanystagetosay,yes,you'llprescribeit.

ItooklegalalternativeroutesthatwecantakeandIgotaprivatedoctorthatwillprescribetheLDNforme…itisthendispensedformefromthelegitimatepharmacistandIsawmydoctoron



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Monday,bytheFridayofthatsameweekthemedicinehasarrived;ItookmyfirstdoseonaFridaynightandwhilstIstillknowit'snotsomethingthathappenstoeverybody,IknowonthatSaturdaymorningfollowingthatfirstdose,Ifeltthebenefits.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Howlongagowasthat?

Patient11: ThatwasinAugustof2015.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Whathaveyounoticednowinthelastsevenmonths?

Patient11: [00:27:00]

Tome,myexperiencethatIhavenow,LDNisalifechanger.Icandosomuchmorenow,Ihavesomuchmoreenergy.Idon'tfeelforthemajorityofthetime,Idon'tsufferfromthepainsthatIdidwithouttheLDN.FormethebiggestissuesIhaveisIsufferfromspasticityinbothofmyhipsandinmyleftshoulder.ItisonlynoticeableformethatthathappensinsituationwhereI'veoverdoneit.IfIoverdoit,whichtendstobeonweekendsbecauseof.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Youmeanactivities,notindosingLDN?

Patient11: Absolutelynot,no,that'sinactivity.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Ifyoupushyourselftoohardbecauseyou’refeelinggood?

Patient11: IfIpushmyselftoohard,onebecauseI'mfeelinggoodandtwobecauseIwanttoknowhowfarIcanpushmyselfthenImightnotnecessarilysufferbecauseofitbutIcantellthatI'veoverdoneit.ImightnotthenbeabletodoasmuchasI'dliketodobutIalsoknowfromexperiencenowthatifIoverdoitononeday,agoodnight’ssleepthefollowingdayI'mbackfullybouncingaround.


Whenyoupushyourselftoohardbecauseyouwanttoseehowfaryoucango,yourbodysaysthatwastoomuchandyouhavealittlebitofaregressionandthenyou'reatthestagewhereyouknowthenextdayyouknowthatyou'reokayagainbutthere'samessagehereforyouandforallofyouthatwithwhateveryou'resufferingfromtheruleisyougouptobutnotintopainordysfunction.Whenyou'repushingyourself,you'repushingyourselftoohardbecauseyouregress,youhavetobekindertoyourselfinseeinghowfaryoucango.That'strueforallofyouwithwhateveryou'redealingwithyouhavetobekindintaxingyourself.You'retaxingyourselftoohardandsoyouregress.There'snoguidelineofhowfarcanItaxmyself,I'mfeelingbetter,IwanttoseeifIcandowhatIusetodo,howhardcanItax.

There'snoguidelinesbutyoulearnfromexperience,right? [00:29:00] Patient11:

Withoutdoubt,youcanonlytakeitsofarandI'venevergottothepointwhereI'vetaxedmyselfsomuchandtriedtopushit.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: No,no,no,unacceptable,unacceptablebecauseforallofyououtthereifyouregress,you'vepushedtoofar.Youdon'twanttopushthatfarnexttime,youdon'twanttopushthatfarnexttime.Youdon'twanttopushitthathardnexttime.Youjustpushedtoohard.Whatyou'resayingisI'veneverpushedsohardthatIregressedsobadthatI'mmuchworsethanIwasbefore.That'slikethinkingit'sokaytopushalittlebitbutI'mnotthatbadsoit'snotthatbigadeal.I'msuggestingtoyou,I'mnotyourdoctorbutI'msuggestingtoyouandforallofyouthatwithwhateverconditionyou'redealingwith,it'sokaytotaxyourselfalittlebitasyou'reimprovingbutyouhavetobekind.You'reanathlete,you'reasoccer,you'reouttherekickingbuttandtakingnamesandyouwanttogetbacktothat,right?

Patient11: Yes. [00:30:00]



Dr.TomO’Bryan: Justbekinderinhowyoudoitandforyouguys,bekinderhowyoudoit.

Patient11: Itmakesalotoflogicalsense,it'stakesmoresteps.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Yes,takebabysteps.

Patient11: Takebabysteps,nopointinmethinkingthatI'malreadyatthatstagewhereIcanrunamarathon.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Right,exactlyoranythinginthatdirection.

Patient11: Oranything,atthemomentI'mstillonrunningthetenmetersandit'sonlyonceIcanrunthetenmetersandmasterthetenmetersthatIcanreallystartthinkingokay.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Thenyouthinkelevenmeters.

Patient11: CanIdoelevenorcanIdotenpointone?

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Thereyougo,that'sevenbetter.Waytogoman.

Patient11: Ithinkthattheargumentthatyou'vegivenisresonatingtherenow. [00:31:00] Dr.TomO’Bryan:

Great,Ijustwantedtointrudethereeventhoughwe'rejustmeetingforthefirsttimeit'ssomevalueforyouandallofyou.Youdon'tpushtoohard.Asmuchasyouwanttobebacktooldself,ifyou’reaten,youdotenpointone.Justsay,okayIjustdidalittlebitmorethanIdidlasttime,that'sfine,that'sfine.

Patient11: Yeah,it'ssmallsteps.


Patient11: It'sbiggerpicture.


Patient11: It'soneofthosemylongtermgoalisthat,I'vegottostopthinkingthatanything'sgoingtohappenandI'msuddenlygoingtogofromwhereIamnowtotherewithouttakingmuchsmallersteps.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: WhenyourMSwasatitsstrongestinitsimpactonyou,comparedtowhereyouarenow,whatpercentageimprovementhaveyouhad?Howclosetonormal,backtoyournormalbeforeyouhadsymptoms,wereyou?

[00:32:00] Patient11:

I'mjustthinkingofhowIwaswhenIwasatmyworst.


Patient11: That'sastagethatIwouldneverwanttogetbackto,itwas.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Tellmeaboutthat?

Patient11: [00:33:00]

I'dsayitwasprobablythemosttraumatictimeofmylifereallybecauseIwasstrugglingwalking,whenIcouldwalkIwaswalkingsoslowly.Itwouldtakemeupto45minutestowalkaquarterofamile.InwalkingthatquarterofamileIwouldhavenorealbalances,I'dbewalkingalong,I'dbeweavingaroundtheplace,I'dhavetoholdontothewall.I'ddescribeittopeopleas,you'dsee



somebodyyou'dlookatthemandwouldbethinking,he'shadacoupleofdrinkstoomany.He'sreallyweavingallovertheplace,he'sgotnocontrol.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Thatmusthavebeenveryscary.

Patient11: [00:34:00]

Ireallyhadnocontrol,nothavingthatcontrolandalsoknowingthatIhadn'ttouchedadrinkinseveralyears,it'slikehowisthispossible.WhatisgoingonthatiscausingthatandknowinghowIamnowandnoI'mnotperfect,I'mnota100%ofwhereIwas,I'mprobablynotmorethan60or70%ofwhereIusetobeathleticwise,IalsoknowthatI'msomuchbetterthanwhereIwasatmyworst.

[00:35:00]

It'sreallyhardtotryandputanumberonittotryandquantifyhowmuchbetterIambecauseinmyworld,asananalysis,youdon'tgethigherthen100%,Iknowpeopletalkabout110%butitdoesn'texistinmymind,whereIwasthen,Iwouldputatzeroreally.Ididn'thavecontroloverwhatIwasdoing,Icouldn'tgetoutandaboutanddowhatIwantedtodo.Mymindwassayingyeah,let'sgoforitandmylegsweresayingIdon'twanttodoit.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: I'mhearingyousaythatyou'reperhaps60-70%backtonormal,what'snormalforyou?

Patient11: Yes,I'dsaythatit'sstillalongwaytogoandnowthatI'mtakingthebabystepsitwilltaketimetogetbackthere,butgetbackthereIwill.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Thereyougo.

Patient11: [00:36:00]

That'swhatI'mgoingtodo.ThemessagethatIwouldgivetoanybodyisthattheonlypersonwhoisreallygoingtolookoutforyouandhelpyoudowhatisbestforyouisyourself.You'vegottomakethosedecisions,don'trelyonotherpeopletogiveyoualltheinformationyouneed.Youhavethatabilitytofindouteverythingthatyouneedtomakeyourlifebetterthanitis,eithertoday,eitheryesterday,tomakeyourfuturereallywhatyouwantittobe.Takecompletecontroloveryourlife,makethedecisionsforyourselfandbethepersonthatyouwanttobe.

[00:37:00]

Thisdocumentaryseries,Betrayalisvitalforyoutotakepartin,toembrace…toviewsothatyoucanlearnwhatitisthatyouneedtodoinordertotakethatbetrayalawaysothatyoucantakeownershipofyourownlife.Thisisimportantforyou,it'simportantforyourfamily,it'simportantforeverybodythatyouknowthattheytakethetime,taketheopportunitytolookattheseriesandfindoutwhatitisthatcanbedonetohelpyourself.


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Dr.TomO’Bryan: Well,Mary,thankyousomuchforbeingwithustoday.

Patient12: Thankyouforhavingme.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Yes.Youhaveanamazinghealthhistory.Canyoutelluswhathappened?

Patient12: Well,asIwasgrowingup,inanItalianfamily…asyouknow,weeatalotofgluten,pizza,pasta,pane,thewholethreepiece,Icallit…Iwasalways…

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Actually,Ihavetosayrightherethatthebattlebetweenyouandmysisterfortheglutenfreeravioli,youguysweregoingbackandforthastowhichonecouldreallygetitdown.

Patient12: Shedoesaverygoodjob.Karendoes,yes...Anyhow,Ifinallyfiguredoutwhatthecauseofmygastrointestinalproblems,Ihadulcerativecolitisand…

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Whenwereyoudiagnosedwiththat? [00:01:00] Patient12:

Iwasdiagnosedwithulcerativecolitisat38.IttookawhileforittomanifesttothatimmunediseasebutIhadhadsomedigestiveproblemsupuntilthatpoint.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Didyouhavegutpainasateenager?

Patient12: NotuntilIgottocollege…Actually,rightaftercollegeIdevelopedastomachulcer…Duodenalulcer.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Nosymptomsinyourteenageyears?

Patient12: NotthatIcouldname…Itwasn'tobviouslyadigestiveproblem.AtthatpointIwasverythin,Iwasverytiny,Ihadsomeproblemswithmyteethenamel,sotherewasalotofmalnutritiontypeevidencethatIhadceliacdisease.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Noconstipation?

Patient12: No.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Nodiarrhea?

Patient12: No.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Noabdominalpain?

Patient12: No.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Yourautoimmunedisease,colitis,developedaftercollege?

Patient12: Yes. [00:02:00] Dr.TomO’Bryan:

Onceagain,here'sanexamplethatwemayhaveavulnerabilitytoanautoimmunediseasebutit'stheenvironmentthatratherbrokethecamel'sback.

Patient12: That'sright.Actuallytheulcercameaftercollege.Thecolitisoccurredafterthebirthofmyseconddaughter,sophysicalstress,emotionalstress.



Dr.TomO’Bryan: Right.Thehormonesthatweproduceareanenvironmentaltrigger,justlikethefoodsorthetoxins,ourownemotionsmaybethetriggerthatsetitoff.

Patient12: [00:03:00]

Absolutelycorrect.Idevelopedulcercolitisandwasaskingmydoctors,whathascausedthis?Well,it'sgenetics…Whatcauseditinmygrandmotherthen,andwhatcauseditinmygreatgrandmotherandmygreatgrandfather,andwhyareweexperiencingthesamediseases?IkeptgoingthatpathuntilIfoundananswer.Forme,Iunderstoodthatitwasceliacdiseaseallthroughonewholesideofmyfamilyhistory,anddietwasprimarilyacureforthat.

In2003,Iself-diagnosedmyselfwithceliacdiseaseandlaterfoundoutabsolutelytrue,andtookmyselfoffofallgluten.Atthatpointitwasreallystillamystery,whatspeltwas,whatglutenwas…hiddengluteninsauces…therewasnoneofthatinformationatthattime.Ireallystudiedthatdiet,andtosayIwasgoingtogooutandfindallthegoodfoodsthatwereglutenfreeatthetime,youcanimagine2003,thereweren'tverymanygoodgluten-freefoods.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Onewouldthinkthey'reeatingcardboardsometimes.

Patient12: [00:04:00]

Yes.IwentrightbiginItalian...AtthatpointIwasinchefschool.Iwasdeterminedtobringanelevationtothisdiet.IstartedexperimentinginmyownkitchenwithwhatIcallgourmetgluten-freeandallergenfriendlycuisine.Thatwasallgreat…Iwasgettingbetter.Mygutwashealingnicely—Nothavingnearlytheheadachesoranyoftheotherrepercussions.Theulcercolitisstartedtoheal,thenIwasdiagnosedwithlymphomain2006.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: That'sacancer.

Patient12: [00:05:00]

Yes,itis.Non-Hodgkin’sLymphoma.Bythetimetheyrealized,becauseIpresentedveryhealthy…Iwasonthisbeautifuldiet,soIreallyfeellikethathidthecancerforawhile,inaway...Bythetimetheyactuallyfoundit,itwasan81/2by131/2by11centimeter,8platetypetumorinmychest...Quitelarge…Tumorloadwaslarge…Yeah,Iwasfacedwithwow.Ihadtheunderstandingthathealinghappensthroughdiet,throughspirituality,throughnutrition,throughanaturalpass—Iwasnotreallyakintotheideaofgoinginfortreatment.

[00:06:00]

Iwentforaboutthreemonths…withmynaturopathanddopedmyselfup.Ididsomeimmunologyworkforthecancerandfeltthatthecancertumorloadwasjusttoobig.IwentintomyoncologistandIbeganaprogramwithhimthatIselected.Theydidn'tquitefindverymanypatientslikeme.Ihadreadandresearchedanddonealltheworkandsaid,okay,Iwilldothismanyroundsofchemotherapy,orcertainnumberafterwegetthecleanPETscan,andthenafterthatIwoulddooneortwo,becausethere'snostatisticalevidenceafterthat,thatitreallyhelpsmuchintheradiation,etc.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Youtookonyourselftogettheresearchstudiesandthenyoureadthestudies.Iwouldimagineyouwouldhavetoreadsomeofthemacoupleoftimestoreallyunderstandwhattheyweresaying?

Patient12: IactuallydependedontheRalphMossreportquiteabit.Hereallycategorizesthestudies-

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Tremendousservice.

Patient12: [00:07:00]

Itisgreatservice.Ireallyunderstoodthenaturalapproach,thewesternmedicineapproachandIchosetocombinethem.Iwasnottheordinarypatient.Igained13poundsinchemotherapyandhadmorehairthanyoucanbelieve,andwasclimbing13footersor13,000peakmountaineveryThursdaywithmyothergirlfriend,whowasinthesametreatment.We’dcomeinonFridaysforourtreatmentfromthechemotherapy.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Youwerehikingtothetopof13,000footmountainswhileyouwereinchemotherapy?



Patient12: Yes.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Yougogirl.

Patient12: Thereissomanyfacetstothestory,butformethecancerchallengeorthecanceritselfwasagift,itreallywas.ItwasagifttomakemeunderstandthatIhadsomethinginmylifethatIhadn'trecognizedyet.TherewassomeshadowthatIstillneededtoseeaboutmyself.Irememberafterthediagnosis,itwas2weekslaterandI'mstillreallytetheringbetweendoIstayordoIgo.I'mplayingthesong...Verydepressed,wonderinghowtheheckIgotthisdiseasewhenItookcareofmyselfsowell.

[00:08:00] Istartedmeditation.Isaid,"PleaseGod,showmewhatI'mnotseeing."Immediately,itlookedlikealittlegumclipspassedthroughmymind,andIwasseeingallthesedifferentoccasionsthatIhadassistedwithmyyogainstructororsetupaseminarforherandthiswholegroup,didahugegatheringforpeoplethatIlovedanddidmanythingsforotherpeople.Ithought,"That'snotbad."ButwhenIlookedattheselittlepiecesoffilmIrealizedIwasnotdoingthatfortherightreason…ThesourcethatIusedwasforthemtoloveme,tohelpthemloveme.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Sothatyouwouldbeokayintheireyes.

Patient12: [00:09:00]

That'sright.ThatIwouldbebetterandlookokayintheireyes,andthenIwouldbelovable.Icantellyounow,I'mprettylovable.AtthatpointIhadknownthatthatstillexistedinmyspirit...ThatIdidn'treallylovemyself.Thatpartofthat13,000mountainpeaksthatwedidwasallthispartofthespiritualjourneyofjustbeingsoaliveandsogratefulforeverysingledayandforeverystepItook.Foreverythingthatwashappeningtome.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Yousawthatyourselfvaluewaslow,andsotheactionsyouweretaking,onthesurface,theylookedreallynicetotheworld,buttheywerebeingdonesothatyoucouldbeliked?

Patient12: That'sright.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Didyoulookbacktoseewhy?

Patient12: Sure.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Whatdidyoufind? [00:10:00] Patient12:

Mymotherwasahighly,verypowerful,critical,componentinourlives...Myfather,veryloving...Mymotherwouldspendmostofthetimewithus,wasnot.Thereforewewerenevergoodenough...Wewere6kidsinthefamilyandnomatterwhatwewoulddoforheritdidn'twork.Iactuallyconsideredherasoneofmybestteachersbecauseshewasjustbrilliantatit.Itallowedmyspirittosay,"No,Iam."Ifoundthebeautyinmyself…theabsolutebeautyofwhoweareandwhenIdidthatthewholeworldopenedup.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Ifyougobacktowhenyouwerelivinginthatspaceandnotrealizingthatyouwereinthatspace,thatlikelycontributedtoyourulcers?

Patient12: Absolutely.


Therearemanypeoplewatchingthiswhomightfeelsomethingsimilariftheyweretolook.Youhadamomentwhereyouwereprayingandyouaskedforguidanceandherecamethevisions.Howdopeoplefindthisforthemselves?

Patient12:

IactuallyputtogetheraworkshopafterIcuredmyselfof...Iwasconsideredcuredofcancer,anditwascalled'BeautiesWay'anditwasaboutjustacceptingourselvesforexactlywhoweareand



[00:12:00]

lovingourselvesandseeingyourownbeauty.Itwasallbeautywork.Therewasaromatherapyandtherewasflowertherapy.Wedanced,wesang,wedidmovedtheenergyinthebody,whereveritwasstuck.Wedidsomeworkwithsound,especiallywherewewoulddiscoverwherewehadsolidpartsorwherethingswerenotfluidinthebody,andthat'swheredisease,inmymind,hasapropensitytostart.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Tellmemoreaboutthat,wherediseasestarts.Whatdoyouthink?

Patient12: Istudiedsoundtherapyforabout10yearsbeforeIbecameagluten-freechef,solovedtheideaofcreatingvibrationinthebodyandwearefluidbeings.Weare90%water...Therearesomanythingsaboutusthatmimictheocean.HowcananyofourpartsbesostifforIwouldstarttowatchpeopleonhowtheyheldtheirbodiesandiftheyhadaninjury—whetheritwasaphysicalinjuryoraspiritualinjuryandthisarea—they'dholdtheirbodyinacertainwaytoprotectit.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Whatyou'redoingthereisclosingoffyourheart,whenyoubringyourshoulderforwardlikethat?

Patient12: [00:13:00]

That'sright.Iexaminedmyownbodyandsaid,wow,Ihadalwayshadthistendonshoulderrighthere,andwhenIwenttomeditateonit…dosomeworkonitandjustimagined…whatisinthere,whatisinthere,andIwouldseelayersuponlayers,uponlayersofthischildhoodmisconception.IwouldwriteandIwouldpaintandIwoulddanceandsinguntilthatbecamefluidagain.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Ingivingguidancetoyoungpeoplewhatdowesharewiththemofthis?Areyousaying,whenyou'resittingsomewherewithyourfriends,lookatyourbodylanguageandsay,"I'mfine."Butthencanyouliftyourchestup,canyourollyourshouldersback?Ifso,thatmeantthatyouwerecollapsingandyoudidn'tknowthatyouwerecollapsing,youthoughtyouwerefine.Whatelsewouldyourecommendtopeople?

[00:14:00] Patient12:

Well,IthinkoneofthemostpowerfultechniquesIusedwasgoingbackinmymindtotheearlydaysofchildhood…0to5orsuchformativeyears...Youmightnotexactlyremember0to2or3butyou'regoingtoremembersomethingfromthattimeorevenafter…Youlookatthemisconceptionsthatweregiventoastruths...Asyou'reyoungorsubconsciousmindjustrecordseverythingasliteraltruth…Ifyourmothersaysyou'reugly,inmycasethatwasit…Ifshesaysyou'restupidorthatwomencan'tsucceedinaman'sworld,allthemisconceptions…thisisverycommon...I'mnotsayingastorythat'suncommon,thisisthecommonstory.

[00:15:00] WhatIdidwas…Icalleditre-writingthewrongs,andIwouldwritethatmisconceptionsandthenIwouldgetintouchwithmyhigherselforwhoIwasasamotheratthattimeandIwouldmothermyselfandsay,noyou'rewrong,thisisnottrueandIamthis.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Thisisanexercisethatyoudid...Youmadeituponyourownandyouwoulddoitnotsharingitwithanyonebutjusttoexploreforyourselftoseewhatwouldcomeout.

Patient12: It'ssopowerfulwithsubconsciousmind.Obviouslyeverybodyknows,ormaybenot,butsubconsciousmindis20,000timesstrongerthantheconsciousmind.Therefore,consciousmindislikeadotinabigblacksquareandhereisthesubconsciousmind…sothesubconsciousmindrulestheshow.


Patient12: Howdoyougettothatsubconsciousmindandoneotherthingstodoiswriting…Anotherwayispainting...It'ssound,singing,therapy,allthesemovementandmorefluidthingsarethewaythatIcreatedthiswork.


Ittakesalotofcourage,asoneofmymentorswouldsay,lookwitheyesthatsee...Toreallysee



what'sthere.

Patient12: Ididwriteabookearlyonandthat'showIwasabletousethesemethodssowell.Itiscalled'TheFiveMinuteSelf-HealingTechniquesForBusyPeople.'Thatbooklookedat10differentvibrationalmodalitiesthatwouldreally...Ihadtolearnitreallywellinordertomakethemcondensedintounderstandablelanguage,becauseIwanttoreacheveryone…ThatishowIstudiedallofthat.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Youhavebeenonapathtobeamoreconsciouspersonformanymanyyears…Youwerejournalingwithouthavingaworkbooktellingyoutojournal...Youjustcameupwithitonyourown,justtoletitflowtoseewhatwouldcomeup.Didyouscreenwhatyouwritedown?

[00:17:00] Patient12:

No,never.That'snotaccessingthesubconsciousmind.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Right.Youjustwritewhateveryou'dwrite?

Patient12: Iwouldwriteitforabout20minutesandthat'swhenyoustarttoreallyloosenupandwiththeintentionofchangingthatthoughtwithinmybodyandinmymind.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: First20minutescanbedialingintime,butyoujuststaywiththatandkeepwriting,soyou'regoingthroughpagesandyoumightwrite...ThisfeelslikeI'mnotdoinganything…Itmakesnosense…WhyamIdoingthis?Idon'tknow…Juststaywithit,let'sgiveitalittlebitoftime…Isthatthekindofwritingthatyouwoulddo?

Patient12: Yes.ActuallyIlearnedthatfromawritingtutoralongtimeago,thatat20minutesthereisabreakthroughtothesubconsciousortoalittlebitmoreofapre-writingstyle.Ireallyhadtheintentionof,likeIsaid,rewritingthewrongs,sowhateverthattook…Now,ifIfeltthatthat,andIcouldfeelinmybodywherethatthoughtresided.


Explainthatalittlemore.Whatdoyoumean?

Patient12: Iwould...maybewe'dhaveathoughtforastatementthatwouldbesaidaroundmyhousealot.Goodthingyou'resmartbecauseyou'rehomeallday…That'swhatmymotherwouldtellmeeverytimeandshewouldintroducemethatway.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Thisismyhomilydaughter.

Patient12: Yes.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: She'ssmartbutshe'shomily.

Patient12: Yeah.Goodthingshe'ssmartbecauseshe'shomily.Ohmygoodness,right?

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Yeah.Howdevastating.

Patient12: [00:19:00]

Yes…IthoughtIownedit...Ithought,okay,that'swhatIam.Iwasreallysmartinschool...Ididtheself-fulfillingprophecy.Iwouldprobablyholdthatinmyheart.Thatwasabigone.Icouldfeelitsomewhereintheheartarea.Thetumorwasontheside,actuallyitwasrightclosetotheheart.Thattumorwasavehicleformetosay,okay,whatlayeramIonnow,whatamIdoing.IfIwasn'tfinished,Iwouldrewritethewrongs,andthenwhenIwasdonewiththatIdancedtogetitoutofmybody.

IwouldmovethebodyinacertainwaythatwouldallowittoleavethebodyandIwoulddosoundduringthattimeaswell.IcombineallmytechniquesintothiskindofworkthatIcall'BeautiesDance.'



Dr.TomO’Bryan: Segue,we'regoingtohaveaB-rollofherdancingalittlebit,becausewe'llbutthatin.

Speaker3: Yeah.I'llbringanote.

Patient12: Okay.Itwasn'tquitethework.Ithoughtweweren'tgoingtotalkaboutitbutIlovethiswork,it'sveryimportant.


Yeah.Wherewegoiswherewego.Thecamerasaregoingsowecankeepgoingnow.Youweredancing,youdidthechemotherapy,youlookedforresources,youhadanadvocatethatwasascientistlookingatthechemotherapyoptionsandthenyoufollowedhisguidelines.

Patient12: RalphMoss,yes.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: RalphMoss'guidelines...Youdidstandardchemotherapywithsomecaveattoit.Youwerejournaling.Youfoundoutwhatwerethedeeperlevelsofunconsciousickinessthatwasgoingoninyourpsyche.Youjournalaboutthatandthenyouwouldstandupanddanceandjusttoletgoofitandopenupyourenergy.Whataboutyourdiet?Whatdoyoudowithyourdiet?

Patient12: [00:21:00]

Mydietwasmyspecialtreat.IhadalreadyunderstoodthatIwasaceliacin2003,soIwasonthegluten-freediet.Maintainedabeautifulgluten-freedietbutaddedthingslikelookingatthebloodtypediet...Also,workedwith...Iwasinarawmilkcohort,andIdidthemostbeautifulthingswiththatrawmilkandthecream.IcookedallthefoodformyselfandIwasallorganicandall...thehighestbeneficialfoodIcouldbringintomybody…Thatwasjustenjoy...Ateverywell.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Yes,thatwouldbeajoy.

Patient12: Yes.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Youroncologist,washesupportiveofwhatyouweredoing?

Patient12: [00:22:00]

Veryinteresting...IsawoneofthetoponcologistsinColorado.Infact,he'sreallywell-known.AtfirstIwasveryconfusingtohimbecauseIwouldmentionallthesedifferentstudiesandwhyareweusingthisparticulardrugasopposedtocanwejusteliminatethatonebecausetheseareallfinebutIdon'twantthatone.Atthattime,andIthinkit'sstilltrue,lotsofoncologistswilluseslimcadherinsinformationanddialitin,asifyou'regoingtotheLaundromatandyouturnonthedial…yourweight,yourheight…andthisiswhatyou'regoodat...Yourdisease…thisiswhatyou’regetting…

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Hotorcoldwaterandjustturniton.

Patient12: [00:23:00]

Yeah,turniton.Imadethemlookatme.EverytimetheycomeinI'dsay,okay,turnaround,lookatmeandtellme,"DoyoureallythinkIneedmorechemotherapy."Iwasdoingsobeautifully,butthechemotherapydidhelpmecombatthetumorloadthatwastoomuchatthattime.Itwashelpful,andIsawitishelpful,soitwasveryimportantthatIchangedmymindaboutwhatIwasbringingin.Ibroughtin...Iliterallymadethemwaitandprayedoverthemedicineforaminuteorhandsonorwhateveryouwanttocallitandraisethevibrationofit.

Within3monthsIwascancer-free…Thatwasreallyfastandreallygood…Agoodprocess.Accordingtomy...Ihad2doctorsinthefamily…Lotsofmedsinourfamily,andtheysaid,well,there'snotalotof...orIlookedatthestudiesandsaid,there'snotalotofvalidationtogowaybeyondtheamountofchemotherapy.Justgetthecancer,go2roundsafterandthenboostyourimmunesystem…IknewIwasdoingimmunologytheentiretime.Iwasalsodoingnutraceuticalswhichmydoctordidnotwanttoknowanythingabout.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Youroncologist.



Patient12: Theoncologistdidnot...Iwasseeinganaturopathatthesametime…anaturopaththatIhaveseenfor20years.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Whenyousaynutraceuticalsyoumeanvitaminsandmineralsandthingslikethat? [00:24:00] Patient12:

That'sit,yes…SomeChineseherbsfromDonaldYanceandsoreallydidmyworklookingatthedatabasesthatwerelookingatthestudiesaboutABCDandEandallfolicacid,allthegeneralstuff,andnotdoingmassiveamounts…justenoughtosupportthebody.Iwasinanothercancer,activecancerin3monthsandthentheywantedmetostayintheprogramandIsaid,no,I'mnotgoingto.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Youmeanhavemorechemo?

Patient12: [00:25:00]

Morechemoand/orradiation…Atthatpointthetumormasswasshrinkingbutitwasstillsolidified,itwascalcifiedandsothatareawouldhavecoveredmyheart,mybreastandmylungs,soIknewthatIdidn'twantthechanceofothercancersbecauseofNon-Hodgkin'slymphoma.Attheendofmytreatment,Isaid,"No,I'mnotgoingtodoradiation."AlthoughImetwiththeradiologist,scaredtheJesusoutofme,thatplace…Ileftthereandsaid,"Look,I'mgoingtomyhomeinHawaii"andthere'sablacksandbeachthatIlivenearthatisaspecifictypeofbeachandI'mnotgoingtorememberthename,buthowitwasformedisthelavaflowcamedownattheoceanandinstantlycrystallizedcamebackandlandedontothebeach…socreatedthisbeach.

[00:26:00]

Itcrystallized,thislittleblackcrystal…Ithappenstobethehighest...itattractsalotoffarinfraredrays...Ibroughtmyyoungestdaughter,whowasmyrighthandpersonthroughallthis…Wewereverystrongtogether,shewas11...Isaid,"WewillgotoHawaiifirstanddoradiationonthebeach."Iturnedmy[inaudible00:25:58],coveringmytumorareawiththisblacksandbeachanddidashorttumorfarinfraredtreatmentmyself…Thedoctorswereamazed.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Youjustmadethisuponyourown?

Patient12: Yeah…Iintuitivelyunderstoodit.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Youscoopedupsomeoftheblacksand,putitontheareaoverthetumor-

Patient12: Iactuallyhadadoctorfriendwhodidfarinfraredworkalso,hesaid,"Thatbeachisincredible."Idevisedit.I'dbelike,"Rabin,let'sgodownanddomyradiation."We'llbeonthebeachplayingandjust...

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Whatabrilliantstateofmindtobegenerating,healingenergy.

Patient12: [00:27:00]

Totrustyourselfasmuch...Idosomecancercounselling,andIreallytrytoinspirepeopletobetheirownagents.Theirowndoctor,andtheychoosewhatitisthatworksforthemandtobereallyin-tunetodoingit...Theycannarrowdecisions.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Whathappenswhenpeopledothat?

Patient12: Ithinkthere'salotofdifferentresults,anditsuredependsonthespiritsandjourney.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Givemeoneexampleofsomeonethat'sfollowedyourguidelines?

Patient12: IdidaworkshopafterIhadcomeoutofcancertreatment...Itwasverysoonafter…WewereoverinHawaiiandwewereteachinghealingworkshopandmyhusbandwasdoingphotography,soitwasthisco-workshop...Halfthepeoplewenttophotographthebeautifulflowersandoceanandtheotherhalfcamewithmeandwewentupintoourvalleyandwepickedflowersandmadearomatherapy...bachflowerremedies,dependinguponwhatitisoursoulneeded...Itwasjust



thisprofoundwork.

[00:28:00] Thatgroupstayedwithme,orpartofthatgroupdid,andoneofmyfriends,Lizzy,wasincancertreatment,butfaradvanced...Itwashersecondcancer.Iliterally…withthatworkshop,andthewomenthatsurrounded…wehelpedherdancetotheotherside.Itdidn'tmatterthat...Itmatteredsome,butthefactisifyougettheprize,that'sthewholepoint...Right?...Findingyourownbeauty.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Theresultswasshefoundherownbeauty?

Patient12: Shewasamazing,amazingwoman,andjustlovedtheworkandweallsurroundedandhelpedherandsheneededverylittlehelp...Ifelt10feettallwhenIsitnexttoher.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Yourhistorywithceliac…haveyou,overtheyears,cheatedeveryonceinawhile? [00:29:00] MaryCapone:

Never.Notonpurpose,ever.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Ever?

Patient12: Yeah.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Whathaveyoufoundforpeoplewhoaretryingtheirbesttonotcheat,butthatthey'rehavingproblemsorstillhavingsomephysicalproblems?

Patient12: Youhavetolookatyourdietathometomakesurethatyou'vereallyeliminatedtheglutenoutofthediet,butalotoftimes…andIknowyouknowthis,thatwhenyougoouttoeatinarestaurantthereiscrosscontaminationissues,thereispeoplethatreallyaren'tquitetrainedenoughtoserveyouamealthatdoesn'thavegluteninit…There'sfriedpotatoandoil,thesameoilasgluten,etc.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Whatyou'remeaningbythatispeoplewhoareservingyou,theydon'tknowwhat'sinthefood.Theysayit'sfinebutthemashedpotato,chefputsascoopofflourinthemashedpotatoashe'swhippingthemup,andnooneknowsthat.

Patient12: Ioftentalktothechefspersonallyandthathelps. [00:30:00] Dr.TomO’Bryan:

Howdoyoudothat?Doyouaskthemtocomeout?

Patient12: Yes.Isay,reallyI'dlovetotalktothechef...I'machefmyself,IownBellaGluten-Free,sothere'salotmorerespectthanthereusedtobeinthis.Youcangetbetterfoodherethanyouusedto,butIdorecommendmakingyourownfoodandreturningtothekitchen,returntothathomefireandcreatingthesebeautifulfoodsthatwillnourishyourbodyverywell.That'sthebestwaytocontrolinflammationinthebodyandwithceliacdisease.Idoeatout,some,butIdon'teatoutalotandIcookbeautifulfoodathome.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Yesyoudo…Icantestifytothat...Yesyoudo.Whenyoueatout,howfocusedareyouonaskingquestions?

[00:31:00] Patient12:

Mydaughterandhusbandarealittlebitintimidatedbuttheyhaven'tsaidaword...TheyknowthatI'mouttheretoprotecttheirgutsaswell,soIreallydefinitelyaskmanyquestions.IfIfindsomethingthatthey'redoingwrong,I'llpointitoutandsay,look,Iwanttosharewithyouateachingmoment...That'showIdo.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Verythoughtful.Theresultofallthisovertheyearshasbeenthatyouformedacompany.Tellusalittleaboutyourcompany?



Patient12: [00:32:00]

BellaGluten-Freeismycompany,anditcamefromthatbeautystancework.Bella…beautiful…It'sallaboutcreatingbeautyinthisparticulardietorallergen-freediet.ThemissionstatementthatIcameupwithistobringjoybacktopeopleonrestricteddiets.Itisallaboutthejoyoffood.Ispendalotoftimeonthephonewith80,90yearolds...70yearoldladieswearetalkingrecipes...I'llspendanhourandmydaughterislike,"Waitaminute,whereyoujustonthephonethatwholetimeaboutarecipe?""YesIwas."That'swhatIlovetodo…Istalkaboutfoodandhowitcanheal.

I'vecreatedalineofbakingmixesthatisa100%allergen-freeorallergenfriendly.NonGMO,reallywholegrains,brownrice,flour,differentflours,wholegrainsorghum…andwhatIdowiththatisIencouragepeopletostayhealthyonthisdiet.Wehaveawiderangeofmixes.Ialsotaughtcookingschoolfor5yearsandstillteachoccasionallyandwehavealotoffunwiththataswell.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Well,yourrecipesandyourpackagingarejusttremendous.They'rereallyquiteexceptional.

Patient12: Thankyou.Also,Ihaveacookbook,whichIknowyoursisterusesalot.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Yes. [00:33:00] Patient12:

Icansendheranothercopy…Shesaidit'sdog-earedandfallingapartatthispoint.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Well,MaryCapone,thankyousomuchforbeingwithustoday.Yourpearlsofwisdomwillhelpmanymanypeople,justaskthosequestionsinsideofthemandjustwritefortheanswer,dancefortheanswer.That'sabeautifulanalogy.Thankyouonceagain.

Patient12: Thankyou.



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Dr.TomO’Bryan: We'rehereinLondonattheComplementaryandAlternativeMedicineConference.I'mwith

Fasana,whowasabanker.Youhadsomehealthconditionsthatyouwereaddressing.Pleasetellusaboutthat.

Patient13: Iwasinbankinginitially.Igraduatefromfinance.Ihadmythreeboys,anditwasafterthatIdevelopedafewhealthissuesofmyown,whichinitiatedmetogobacktoschoolandtolearnmoreaboutit.IwenttoCollegeofNaturopathicMedicineanddidNaturopathicNutritionforthreeyears.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Yourbodybegandevelopinganautoimmunecondition.

Patient13: Itdid. [00:01:00] Dr.TomO’Bryan:

Letmedothatagain.Yourbodybegandevelopinganautoimmunecondition,andyouappliedsomenaturalprinciples.Didthatseemtohelp?

Patient13: Itdid.Absolutely.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Offcamerayouhadtoldmethatyourpracticeemphasizesautoimmunediseases.Whatdoyoufindinpeoplewhocometoyou?Aretheycomingtoyouasafirstoptionorasalastresort?

Patient13: Itvaries.Itdependsontheeducationofeachofthepatients.Ifthey'requitehealthyandtheyknowalotaboutalternativemedicinethenit'sthefirstpointofcall.Youwanttotryitfirstbeforeyoutryanythingelse.Forotherpeoplethey'vetriedeverything,nothing'sworkedandit'salastresort.Yougetboth.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Yes,ofcourse.Canyougiveusacoupleofexamplesofpeoplewhocameasalastresort,whattypeofconditionstheywerepresentingwith?

Patient13: Forexample,mypatientJulieandshehadHashimoto's... [00:02:00] Dr.TomO’Bryan:

That'sathyroiddisease.

Patient13: Whichisathyroiddisease…foracoupleofyears…Asshe'shaditthemedicationisincreasing,she'dbeenonitforawhile,soittakesalotlongertotrytocorrectitandbringtheantibodiesandgetherfeelingbetteragain.Whereasifsomeone'sjustbeendiagnosedwithitandtheyhaven'tstartedanymedication,it'smuchquickerandit'seasiertonormalizethefunction.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: You'resayingthatifthepersonwasdiagnosedwithanautoimmunediseasepreviouslyandhadtriedsomemoretraditionalapproachesthatweren'tgivingthemcompleterelief,sotheywerelookingforalternativesandtheycametoyou,ittooklongerforthosepeopletohaveaturnaroundoccur?

Patient13: Wedogetaturnaround,itjusttakeslongerandyou'vegottoworkwiththedoctoraswelltobringthedosingdownasthesymptomsimprove.


Yes,that'sabrilliantapproach.TheonethatI'vealwaysusedistosay,"Mrs.Patient,you'regoingtostartfeelingbetterandwhenyoudo,pleasetalkwithyourdoctorwhoprescribedthemedicationandletthemknowthatyou'rechangingyourdiet,you’reworking,youdoalittleexercise,whateveritis,andthatcantheymonitoryoubecauseyourhopeisyouwillrequirelessmedication."



Patient13: Absolutely.Likeyousay,whenyoutakecertainthingsoutofyourdietlikegluten,you'retakingoutthefuelthat'sfuelingthefire.Bigthingslikethatmakesuchahugedifference.

Thankyou.Iseeiteveryday,thesechangesturnpeople’slivesaround.Itmakessuchadifference,andIwisheveryonehadtheavailability,orhadtheknowledge,thatyoucanmakeadifference.Youdon'thavetohavepopapilleverydayandfeellousy.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Marvelous.

Patient13: Ilovehim...That'sthereasonIcametothisconferenceinthefirstplace.Ilovehim,I'vebeenfollowinghimforsuchalongtimethatit'sgreattoseehimandlistentohimperson.

[00:04:00] He'sbrilliant.He'sgivensomuchinformation,andinformationispower...Whenyouhavethatinformationyoucanmakethesechanges.Evenifyouthinktheysoundcrazyatfirst.Youjusthavetotryitandyoucanseethedifference.Ifyou'renotsure,justtry,justtryitandseehowyoufeel.Tryitandseewhathappenstoyourbloodresults,toyouantibodiesandstuff.

Itcouldchangeyourlife;itcouldchangesomeoneyouknowlife.Yourthyroidaffectseverysingle,allyourbodysystemsyouhave.Youhaveareceptorforyouthyroidhormoneineverysinglecellofyourbody.It'sgoingtoaffectyouorsomeoneyouknow.Informationispower.Ifyoucanmakesomeofthesechanges,ifyouhaveknowledge,youknowwhattodo,itcanmakeahugedifference.

That'ssobrilliant.That'sexcellent.Weneedthatbecausejustnobodyknowsaboutit.Nobodyknowsthatit'sactuallyyourimmunesystemandit'snottheorganthat'saproblemit'syourimmunesystem.

[00:05:00]

That'sreallyimportant,that'sgreat.That'sgreat,becausethenyougettotherootcause....Becausewithalltheseconditionsit'syourimmunesystemthat'sattackingyourbody.That'swherethemisconceptionis,right?Thatifit'syourthyroid,it'syourthyroidglandthat'stheproblem.Orifit'swhateveritis,theythinkit'stheglandnottheactuallyimmunesystemthat'sattacking.Thatnooneknowsthat…That'sgreat.

Withautoimmuneconditions,it'syourimmunesystemthat'sattackingyourbody…Youwanttolookatyourimmunesystemandhowyoucansupportit...

It'swhat'sgoingon.It'syourgutproblemandit'sanovergrowth,andyouneedto,whenyouhealthat,calmdownyourimmunesystem.

[00:07:00]

I'vehadpsoriasis...Psoriasisisanautoimmuneconditionwhereyourimmunesystemisattackingyourskin.I'vetrieddifferentthings...Iwentdowntheconventionalroute…Iapplieddifferentsteroidcreamstocalmitdown,butthatwasn'tgettingtotherootoftheproblem.Througheducation,throughgoingbacktoschool,spendingthreeyearstherelearningfromfunctionalmedicine,Iwenttotherootcause.WhatwascausingmypsoriasiswasIhadovergrowthofbacteriainmygut,whichwascausinganimmuneresponse—causingmypsoriasis.OnceIgottotherootoftheproblem,Iclearedmygut,thepsoriasisdiminishedandeventuallywentaway.Theskinconditionwasamanifestationofwhatwasgoingoninmygut...Mygutcondition.

[00:08:00]

Iwasgoing,Ididn'tdoanythingaboutit.IwasgivensteroidcreamsbutIneverwantedtousethesteroidcreamsoIneverusedit,soIjustleftit.Itwasgettingalittlebitbigger,alittlebitbigger.It'sonlythroughmyownresearchandthengoingbacktoschoolthatIlearnedthatI'mdoingitcompletelywrong.Ineedtogettotherootoftheproblem.Didsomefunctionaltesting,foundoutthatIhadanovergrowthofbadbacteria,whichwascausingleakygut,whichwastriggeringmyimmunesystem,anditwasattackingtheskin.



ThefirstthingIdidwasofcoursetakeoutglutenbecauseglutenincreasesautoantibodies.Tookthatout,madesomechanges,healedthegut,and,yeah.Iwaslucky.It'snotanautoimmuneconditionthataffectedmyhealth.Peopleprobablydon'trealizethat,becausewhenIhadthepsoriasisIthoughtit'sjustabitofdryskin…It'snobigdeal,justleaveit…Youdon'trealizethebiochemistrythat'sgoingonbehindthat,what'sgoingoninyourgut,howit'sallflaredupandit'sgoingoutofcontrol.

[00:09:00] It'sscarybecauseonceyouhaveoneautoimmuneconditionyoucangetanotherautoimmunecondition.Fine,thisispsoriasis,itdoesn'tmakefeeldrainedoritdoesn'thaveaneffectonmyhealthlikethat,butbecauseIhaveit,unlessIwastotakecareofitandsortitoutI'mmorelikelytogetotherautoimmuneconditionsandwhoknowswhattheycouldbe...Thatcouldbequitescary,becausesomeofthemare...They'rescary.

It'samazing…Iwastellingthistomyhusbandacoupleofdaysago...IfeellikeIamtheluckiestpersonintheworld…NotonlydoIgettodowhatIloveeveryday,butIgettohelppeopleeverydayandIgettoseethemgetbetterandseethemhappy—That'sdefinitelythebestjobintheworld.I'mlucky,Ifeelreally,reallyluckyandgratefulthatIcandosomethingIloveandhelppeoplebeopen-mindedandhavealookatwebsiteslikeTomO’Bryan’s...There'ssomuchinformationonit.

[00:10:00] Also,TheBANThasareallygood...TheBritishAssociationofNutritionalTherapieshasareallygoodEatWellPlate...Informationispower...WatchingadocumentarylikeBetrayalwillhelpyouoryourlovedonesbemoreinformedtomakeachange.


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PATIENT CASE STUDY 14 Dr.TomO'Bryan: Dr.Brown,whatisitthatbroughtyouintohealthcareanddivinginasdeeplyasyouhaveto

becomeanexpertinyourfield?

Dr.Brown: Yeah.That'sagreatquestion.Forme,there'vebeenafewpivotaleventsinmylife,andbothofthemhaveimpactedmyownhealth.Thefirstone,forme,thatwasatippingpointwaswhenIwasateenagerIsufferedfromchronicfatigue.LikealotofpeoplewithchronicfatigueIwasbed-ridden,andIwasseeingmedicalcare,butnotgettinganyanswers,andwasreallyfrustrated.Eventually,afterseeingseveraldoctors...Wellfive,I'mexaggerating,butitwasfive.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Fivecountsasmorethanseveral.

Dr.Brown: It'salot.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: That'salotofdoctors.

Dr.Brown: [00:01:00]

Yeah.That'salot,andjustwasn'tgettinganywhere.Ieventually,thankfullyIthinktomyparents,wasreferredontoanalternativemedicinepractitioner.ThiswasanamazingOsteopathandNaturopathintheBlueMountains,Australia,whereIwasfrom.Wesatdownandhecounseledmethroughwhatwasgoingon.Noonehadeveractuallyexplainedwhatwasgoingoninmybodythatsuccinctlybefore.Understandingthatit'savirus,anditcouldbecausingfatigue,andyouknow,alatentvirus,andtaughtmeaboutnutritionandtheimportanceofthat,andcounseledmeinalow-reactivediet.Atthetime,IthinkIwasn'tpayingasmuchattentiontothedynamicsofwhatwasgoingon.Iwasjustfollowingordersandlisteningtowhathehadtosay.Ifollowedthislow-reactivediet,eliminatingalotofcommonallergens,andalsotooksomeveryhigh-dosevitaminC,andIbelieve,atthetime,justapotencymulti-vitaminandminerals.Itseemedfairlysimpleandeasytofollow.WithinaweekIwaslike50%better.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Aweek.

Dr.Brown: Yeah.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Oneweek.

Dr.Brown: Yeah.Oneweek.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Afterfivespecialists,fivedoctors-

Dr.Brown: Fivespecialists,andmonths,andIwasbedridden. [00:02:00] Dr.TomO'Bryan:

Monthsofbeingbedridden.

Dr.Brown: [00:03:00]

Formethatwaslike,"Wow!Healthylifestyleandpayingattentiontowhatthesethingsthatarewithinourcontrolandhowtheyimpactourhealthisprettyimportant."FromthereIbecamesupermotivatedtoliveandeatwell,andlookaftermyself.Thatjusthadn'tbeenonmyradarbefore.Ididn'tmaketheconnectionbetweenthatandchronicfatigue.Forme,itwasabigthing,andbecamereallyinterested.Eventually,whenIcameoutofhighschool,Iwaslookingatuniversitydegreesanddecided,Ithinkinpartbasedonthatpassion,topursueNaturopathicmedicine.Iwentoffanddidthatdegree.Ithinkthethingthatreallyfueledmethroughthatisthepossibilityofhelpingothers.Youknow,understandthatthereisthisinnatepowerwithinusthatwecanharnesstotransformourlives.Forme,thatwasoneofthedrivingforcesthatpushedmethroughmystudies,andalsoIjustlovethiswholething.Ilovelearning,andIlovesharing



information.Peopleinthisindustryarepassionateandfeelthesameway.Thatreally,really,tookmethroughmystudies.

[00:04:00]

Ithensortofgravitatedmorerecentlytotheareaofdigestivehealthandpublishedabookinthisarea.TheinterestingthingaboutthatwasasimilarsortofcataclysmiceventwhereIwastravelingoverseas,andIgotareallybadcaseoffoodpoisoning,anditjustwipedmeout.I'veseenafewpatientsthathavehadpost-infectiousIBSandthey'reprettybad,butIwasalotworse.ItwastheworstcaseI'veseenbackonthelabsandthings.Absolutelyterribleandsevereevenaftertheacuteinfectionresolved,severegastrointestinalsymptoms,pain,nausea,fatigue,anxiety,theworks.Itwascataclysmic.ForthatreasonIstarteddiggingintotheliteratureonGIhealthinalotmoredetailthanIhadpreviously,andfelt,afterlookingatthis,andlookingatresourcesforpeople,thattherewasanopportunitytheretopullwhatIlearnedtogetherandshareitwithpeople.That'showthebookcameabout.ItwasjustpurelybecauseIwantedtoconsolidatewhatIlearnedandgetitouttothemasses.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Whatisthetitleofyourbook?

Dr.Brown: Thebookis,TheDigestiveHealthSolutions.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: TheDigestiveHealthSolutions.

Dr.Brown: Yeah.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Thisiswhereyoubecamecognizantofthecriticalimportanceofthemicrobiome,wasfromthesecondincidentinyourownpersonalhealth?

Dr.Brown: [00:05:00]

Yeah.Inparticular,thatreallytaughtmealotaboutthemicrobiomeanditsrelationshiptoourhealth.I'vebeendivingintothatareaeversince.It'sincredibletheconnectionsthatoccurwithinthatwebofconnectiontothemicrobiomeitself.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Inyourprofessionalexperience,whatpercentageofthepeoplethatpresentwithanautoimmuneconditionneedtoaddresstheirmicrobiome?

Dr.Brown: I'dsayit’sfundamental.Basically,withautoimmunity,asyouknow,oneofthefundamentalfeaturesisdysfunctionofthegutmucosa...

Dr.TomO'Bryan: That'stheliningofthegut.

Dr.Brown: Exactly.Theliningofthegut.Whatthatdoesisitsetsuptheperfectstormforautoimmunedisease.It'sreallyfundamental.Alotofscientistsknowthisnow,thatitisoneofthecharacteristicfeaturesthatmeshestheseeminglydifferentillnessestogether.Ofcourse,welookatautoimmunityasdifferentillnessessometimes,butactuallythey'rethesamething.There'salotofunderlying,shared,mechanisms.That'sthechangingviewofmedicine.It'snotaboutnamingadisease.It'sunderstandingwhyit'soccurring.

[00:06:00] Inthecoreofautoimmunediseaseisthisdysfunctionofthegutmucosalbarrier.Inmymind,it'sfundamental.Boththemicrobiomeitself,butalsothehealthofthegutasaconsequence,orrelationship,tothat.Weknowthatthegutisfundamentallyinvolvedinthedevelopmentofautoimmunediseases.Oneoftheempoweringthingsaboutthisisthatyoucandoalotaboutaffectingthatinvolvementpositivelytohelpactuallylessenandevenreverseautoimmunedisease.WhatTheTraildoesisittakesyouthroughadeeperunderstandingofthatfromtheworld'sleadingauthoritiesinthisareatoempoweryouandthepeopleyoulovetohelpaddresstheseseeminglyincurableautoimmunediseases.



[00:07:00] Theworkyou’redoingisinstrumental.Gettingagreaterawarenessoutintothepublicofthefundamentalfactorsthat,youknow,impactingtheirhealthiskey.Reallyhighlightingthefactthatfoodsensitivitiesinparticular,glutenaswellastheinvolvementofthegastrointestinaltractareinvolvedinautoimmunedisease,willbelifetransformativeforpeople.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Iagree.Thankyousomuch.That'sreallythepassion,here,behindTheTrailistocarrythatmessageoutsopeopleunderstanditinday-to-daylanguage.Theycantakeitthentotheirdoctorsandaskquestionsandinquiriesasto,WhereamIinthisstatus?".Ourdoctorswillnowbeencouragedtolearnmoreaboutthenewerscienceandtheconnectionbetweenwhatweeat,thehealthofourgut,andthedevelopmentoftheseautoimmuneconditions.

Dr.Brown: Yeah,it'sbeautiful.Knowledgeispower.Itwillchangelives.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Iagree.Thankyou.Dr.Brown,thankyousomuchforbeingwithustoday.Theworkthatyou'redoingintheworldiscarryingthismessagetopractitionersandthegeneralpublicinagreatway,andnowyou'vesharedthatinformationwithus.Thankyousoverymuchforbeingheretoday.

Dr.Brown: Thankyou.Arealpleasure. [00:08:00] Dr.TomO'Bryan:

Thankyou.Great!

Dr.Brown: Cool.Ireallymeanthat.Keepupthegreatwork.It'sawesome.Themoreyoucangetthismessageouttothemasses,themorepeopleyouimpact.Adocumentaryisagreatwaytodoit.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Thankssoverymuch.

Dr.Brown: Keepuptheflame.


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PATIENT CASE STUDY 15 Patient15:[00:01:00]

MynameisTony,I'mfifty-fouryearsold,andI'vebeensufferingfromanautoimmunedisease,whichisCrohn'sdisease,fromfifteenyearsago.I'vebeensufferingthisforallthisperiod,butparticularlythefirstthirteenyearsorso.Thelasttwelveyearsinthattwenty-fiveyearsperiod,mylifehaschangedbecauseI'vedecidedtotaketheresponsibilityofmyhealth.Ifoundalotofinformationthathasguidedmealotwiththat.InthistimeIhavediscoveredsomefoodsmakegoodforme,andallthisnotsomuch.Thisisatrialanderrorprocessis,whichisveryslow,andverypainfulsometimes.IwishIcouldhavehadmoreinformationaboutfoodtohealmycondition.Whileitallbeganmoreorlessabouttwenty-fiveyearsago,whenIhadourfirstCrohn'sdiseaseflare.Inthebeginningtheythoughtitwasappendicitisattack.Theyopenedme,theytakethebowelsout,andsawthatitwasCrohn'sdisease.

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Beginningwiththat,itstartedaverydifficulttimeformebecauseitwasanunknowndisease.Thedoctorsdidn'tknowmuchwhattodowithit.Medicationsatthebeginningwereverystrange.Therearealotofsideeffects.Itwasnotveryeasyatthebeginning.SinceIwasnotverycomfortablewithdrugs,Ithoughtafoodapproachwouldbebettertohealmeinsomeway.Istartedtoinvestigate.Atthetime,macrobioticswasthebestthingonecoulddofordoingsomethinggoodforCrohn'sdisease.Istartedpracticingmacrobiotics,andlearningalot.Eatingthiskindoffood,andIfeltrelativelywell,butitwasaverydifficultdiettofollowatthosetimes.Nowadaysit'sveryeasybecauseyoufindeverywhere,youfindeverykindoffood,butatthattime,itwasverydifficult.Itwasn'tveryknowninSpain,anditwasstrangeforpeople.

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Therewereverylittle,justoneshopinBarcelonawassellingmacrobioticproducts,anditwasverydifficulttofindsomeinformation.Imetadoctorwhowasaspecialistinmacrobiotics,andIstartedwithhim,butitwasnotveryfun.It'saverydifficulttofollowdiet,it'snot...Iwasn'tagreetenpercentwithallthethingstheydid,butIfeltbetter.Itriedtofollowit,thentherewereaperiodofsomeyearswhichIhadtotravelwithmywife,hadatheatercompany,andwehadtotravelaroundinthecountry.Youwenttoatown,asmalltown,andyouhaveabarwithimpossibletoeatsomethinghealthy.Forsomeyears,Icouldn'ttakecareofmyselftoomuch.Intheend,Ihadseveralflareswhichbroughtmetothehospital,andeverytimeIhadtomakeazerofooddietforfifteendays,andcortisone,andallthesekindofdrugs.Thenyoufelthealedagain,butwhenyoustartedtoeatagain,theygaveyouyogurt,theygaveyoubread,marmalade,veryartificialones.

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Ialwaysthoughtthatthiswasn'taverygoodapproachforsomeonewhohasbeeninhospitalforCrohn's,thisflare.IfeelbadlybecauseItoldthem,always,thatfoodhassomethingtodo.ThatIwasconvincedthatfoodhadsomethingtodowiththisdisease.Theysay,"No,youcaneateverything,ifyoutoleratewell.Don'tworryaboutfood."Theirapproachwasalwaysdrugs,drugs,drugs,andthesedrugswerenotdoinganygoodtome.Thefirstoneofthem,whichwasPentasaandsulfasalazine,yougetsomeyellowskin.Alltheblanketswerefeelthatcolor,itwasverydifficulttime.Intheend,somanyflares,Igotanestenosis,andtheyhadtocutmybowel,andputittogetheragain.Thiswasabouttenortwelveyearsago,fromthenItookthereignsofmyhealth,andstartedtoinvestigatemore,andeathealthier.Tryingsomecombinationofmacrobiotics,vegetables,dependingon.ThemoreIlearn,Iwastryingdifferentapproaches.

Interviewer: Youtrustedthedoctors,youputyourlifeinthedoctor'shands?Patient15:[00:06:00]

Yeah,becausethat'sthesystem,atthebeginning,butfromeighteenyearsfromnow,Idon'ttrustdoctorsanymore.Iwentonceayeartomydigestivedoctor,justforaregularcheckup.Iseethebloodanalysis,Iseetheyarewell,IhavemoreorlesscontroloftheCD,Ihaveotherproblemswithcirrhosis,buttheCDisquitecontrolled.Idon'tgotothedoctor'sanymore,theydidn'tevenwanttohearaboutthisfoodapproach.Iwassurethatifyouwerewithouteatingfor



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fifteendays,andyouhealmoreorless,that'sacluethatithassomethingtodo.Whenyoustarttoeatagain,youstarttofeelbadagain,isthatwhatyoueat,itdoesyounogood.Iwouldhavelovedtofindsomedoctorwhosaid,"Let'strythis."Itoldthemaboutmacrobiotics,aboutwhatdoyouthinkaboutthis?

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Theysaid,"No,thesearenonsense,don'ttrustthis,andeatwhateveryouwant,anddon'tworryaboutthat."Beforeeveryflare,Ihavealotofpain,mystomachwasverybig,andIcouldn'tgotothetoilet.Thiswasverypainfuluntilsomedayshavepassedwithouteating.Thetreatmentwastwoweekswithouteating.Thefirstthingis,nottoeat,thenIV,andthencortisone,highlevelsofcortisone,toanti-inflammatorytreatment.Yes,itworks,becausecortisoneisveryheavy.Theamountswerequitehigh,therewereabouteightymilligramsaday.Yougetmoreorlessyoufeelbetter,butyourfacegrowsalot,andyoufeelsomethingisnotgoingwellwiththat.Thenyouhavetofollowthistreatmentformanyweeks.Startwitheighty,seventy,sixty,fifty,moreorless,inabouttwoorthreemonths,theythinkthatyouarebacktonormal.Youknowyouarenotbacktonormal.

Interviewer: Youfeellike?

Patient15:[00:09:00]

Youfeelthatthat'snotworkingatall,andtheyhavetriedverydifferenttreatmentswithtime,becauseIalwayshadflares.Over,andover,moreorlessonceayear.Themedicationwasn'tworking,everytimetheygavemeadifferentmedication,astrongermedication,thelastonewasmethotrexate,whichwasabiologicalone.Thisonehasalotofsideeffects,whichIdidn'tlike.Ifeelworsewiththemedication,thanwithoutit.Idecidedtogiveitupwithoutdoctor'spermission,butIdecidedtogiveitup.Thencirrhosiscameafterlivingwithbiologicaltreatment.Sincethen,Ihaven'ttakenanydrugs,justeatinghealthy.Thiswasforfifteendays,anditwasmoreorlessonceayear,oronceeverytwoyears.I'vebeenduringthirty-fiveyears,goingalottohospitalforfifteendays,andthenallthistreatment,andthenbackhome.

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Thenthefollowingyear,againtothehospital,itwasverydifficultformeatwork,becauseIworkforanothercompany.NowIworkathome,Ifeelbetter,becauseI'vealwayshadtheurgetohaveatoiletnearme,andworkinginanotherpremises,youalwaysfeeluncomfortable.Youfeelyouneedtohaveatoiletveryclose.It'saconditioninwhichIfindverydistressing.That'soneofthereasonsImoreorlesstriedtomakemylifeworkingathome,becauseIfeelcomfortableinthatsense.Ihavethingsundermycontrol,foodtoo.Icareaboutmyfood,Icook,Icookforthefamily,andformyself.Abouttwelveorfifteenyearsofmylifehavebeenverymuchwastedbecauseofthisreason,becauseofgoingeveryyeartohospital.Sometimestwoorthreetimesayear,attheendofthistwelveyearperiod,everyyearIwentabouttwoorthree.Untiltheymakemethisresection,andsincethen,Ihaven'tgonetohospitalagain.

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IthoughtnowthatIhaveeverythingrestored,let'strytokeepitthisway,andnotgoingbadagain,becausethisdisease,whatithasis,itcanbereproducedanywhereinyourintestinaltract.Youhavetobecarefulwithit.I'mquitehappy,I'mnothappywiththecirrhosis,butI'mveryhappywithmylifestyle,theyhealthyapproachI'vetaken,andallmyfamilyandfriendsareawareofit.Theyfinditgood,andthatmakesmehappy.Notconsciously,Ithinktheybelieveinwhattheyfollow,theyapplywhattheyhaveestablished,useoiltreatmentforthisdisease.Iknowthatmydigestivedoctorgoestoconferenceseverywhereintheworld,andheisaboutthelatesttreatments,andeverything.EveryyearIhopethatsomethingneworbetterwillcome,butnotmuch.ItwasverydisappointingbecauseIseethemedicalfieldasanindustry,whichtriestokeeptheirsystemworkingwiththisdrugapproach.It'smyopinion,theycaretohealyou,butnotmuch.

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Theywanttohaveyouasaclientforever,insomeway.Ithinktheirrealintentionisnottohealyou,becauseifyouareokay,youwillnotcomeback.That'smyimpression,that'sthefeelingIhavewhenItreatwiththemedicalprofession.Ithinktheapproachisn'tgood,andmineisfor



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me,becauseifitmakesyounotgoingbacktohospitalagain,somethinggoodhastohave.IthinkI'mdoingwell,becauseIhaven'tgonebacktohospital.Maybeit'stheapproach,butI'mnottakinganydrugs.IfI'mnotfollowingtheirtreatments,howcomeI'mnotgoingbacktohospital?Eatinghealthy,tryingtoavoidgluten,tryingtoavoidsomethingsIknowtheyhurtme,butwhenIfeelbetter,itdoesn'tmatterifItakesomebread,youstartagainfeelingworse.That'ssomethingIhavetohaveitvalidinmind,butnotalways.It'snoteasy,Itrytokeepthebalance,butit'snotalwayseasy.

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Iwilltellyoutolookforanotheralternatives.Lookforanother,healthierapproachwithfood,withyoga,andothertherapieswhicharenottheconventionalmedicine,buttheycanhelpalot.Thedoctorsonlywillnothealyou,youhavetotryotherthings,andseewhatgoesbettertoyou.Ithinkyoushouldeatalotofvegetables,ifyoueatmeatornotisyourdecision,butnotverymuchredmeatifpossible.Fish,it'sokay,unlessit'stoomuchcontaminated,whichisdifficulttofindthesedays.Youwanttoavoidgluten,andtryothercereals,likequinoa,likebuckwheat,orcorn.Therearealternativestohaveanormallifestylewithoutsacrificingverymuch.

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Wehavebeenusedtosomuchwheat,thatit'sdifficulttogiveupwith,becauseit'severywhere.Industrialfoodisterrible,Iwouldrecommenddon'tbuyindustrialfood,don'tbuythingsfromthesupermarket.Justthevegetables,justthethingsyouknowtheyhaveagoodorigin.Whichareorganic,allthesethings.Ithinkit'sawonderfulworld,Itrustin.It'soneexceptiontowhatI'vesaiduntilnow,I'mgladtohavemethim,becausehopefullytherearesomedoctorswhoarelookingatotherways,orpracticingalltheirwaysofmedicine,whicharen'ttobetrust.Myexperienceforthepast,it'snotgoodatall,butI'mveryhappythatDr.TomO'Bryanisdoingwhathe'sdoing,becauseitmakesyoubelievethereishopeinthemedicalprofession,becausenothavingwhathe'sdoing,theconventionalthings,butotherapproacheswhicharegoodtoyou.


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PATIENT CASE STUDY 16 JonathanOtto: Whenyouansweredthattimebefore,whatwasgoingonoverthere?

DenysReidMargolin: [00:00:30] [00:01:00] [00:01:30]

Dr.Thomasisdefinitelypassionateaboutwhathe'stalkingabout.Hispassion,hissensitivitytothevariousdifferentthings,thevariousdifferentclientsthathe'sworkedwithtouchedme.Ithinkthatthisisasubjectthattheworldneedstoknowmoreaboutindetailthewaythathe'steachingit.Tounderstandhowbroadlyit'saffectingpeople.Hissensitivitywasmakingmesensitive,butwhatIwasrelatingtowasthefactthat,numberone,I'djustbeenwatchingthecancersummit.Ilostmyhusbandtwoyearsago,lessthantwoyearsago,tocancerbutitwasthetreatmentthatkilledhim,notthecanceritself.Hehadbeensickfor35years,anditwasatreatmentthathehad10yearspriorthatkilledhisbonemarrow.Ialsohavetwoadoptedchildrenandbothofthemhaveissues,oneamooddisorder.Ifeelthatglutenisastrongpieceofthat,andanother,adaughterwithautoimmunediseasewithvitiligo,whichisalossofthepigmentoftheskin.

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Learningtoarticulatewhyglutenistheissueandthemechanismofthat,Ithinkisveryimportant.Dr.Tomtalksaboutasnutritionistsandprofessionalslearningtospeakinfrontofthemirror-howyoucanarticulateexactlywhythesethingshappenthewaytheydoissoimportant,soIwasrelatingallofthattohim.Howthiswillnotonlybeimportantinmyfamilylife,buttoclients.Iworkwithparentsofchildrenwhoareatriskofgoingonpsychiatricmeds,workingwiththemwithdiet,nutrients,andlifestyle,andhowtoavoiddoingpsychiatricmeds.


Haveyouhadsometransformationshappenwhenpeopletaketherightprotocols?

DenysReidMargolin: Absolutely,absolutely.

JonathanOtto: What'sthatlooklike?

DenysReidMargolin: [00:03:00] [00:03:30]

I'lltellitfromapersonalstandpoint.Mysonhasbeenworkingwithaprotocol,anutrientprotocol,wherehehasgonefromtakingonevery,verystrongpsychiatricmedtoamuchlesserone,lesspotencyIsupposeyoucouldsay.Heisonanutrientprotocolwhereheisnowpresent.Thatmaybedifficulttounderstandforpeople,butsometimeswhenyou'reonapsychiatricmed,youarezonedout,notquiteallhere.Nowonthenutrients,he'sveryhere.He'sverypresent,he'sverycapable.HecouldlifeaperfectlynormallifeIfeel,andyetthemissingpieceisstillthegluten.Thatisapiecethathe'snotaccepted,sohecontinues.Ifeelthatifhecouldfinallyaddthatpiecetotherestofthenutrientprotocol,hecouldreallydoanything.

JonathanOtto: How'sthatfeelasamothertoseethattransformation?


Oh,it'shugelywonderfulofcourse.Asamother,Ithinkyouseeachildfromearlyonandwhattheirgiftsare.Asyouseethosegiftsperhapsbecomemaskedordiminished,andthentoseethemreemerge,it'shuge.Ifeelthathe'sanimmenselygiftedperson.Gifteddoesn'tmeanageekperhaps,butheisintuitiveandhe'svery,verysmart.Hehasamemorytobeatallmemories.IcallhimwhenIcan'tremembersomething,andheremembersthemostobscurethingswayback.Justbeingabletoutilizehispassion,hisjoiedevivre,hislife,hisbeing,iswonderful.That'swhatitwouldbe.

JonathanOtto: DoyoufeelthatDr.Tom'sworkhascontributedtoyourunderstandingsandbeenahelptoyouinyourpracticewithyourpatientswithchildren?Whathasthatbeenlikeforyou?

DenysReidMargolin: [00:05:00]

Verymuchso.First,we'rejustinthebeginningofthisdayinasense,andyetIneedtogobackandreallydigestallofthisandthenlearnhowtoarticulateitappropriatelywithpeople.Yet,IdofeelthatonceIdothatthiswouldhelpalotofpeoplebecauseI'llbeabletohelpthem



understandthenuancesofthisorallthedetailsthattheyneedtoknow.

JonathanOtto: That'sgreat.Doyoufeelthat'slikeacallingforyoutogivethatinformationtotheworld?

[00:05:30] DenysReidMargolin: [00:06:00]

I'mtrainedininteriordesign.Iwenttoadesignschool,andIloveitwhenI'minthatfield.However,thatwillnotbewhereIputmytime.ThisisdefinitelywhereIneedtobe.Myfeelingisifyoucanhelponechildhavewhatweconsideramorenormallife,that'sworthit.Ifyoucankeeponepersonfromsufferingsomeofthesideeffectsofpsychiatricdrugs,it'sworthit.That'smyquest,orreasonfordoingit.

JonathanOtto: Yougotkindoftakenoutofwhatyoutrainedtodointothisreallynewworld.Youcouldn'tstop.Something'sdrivingyou.


Ithinkmostlybecauseofmyownfamily.Whenyouhaveachild,tomeIcouldleavenostoneunturned.Ihadtodoit.It'sadrivethatIhad,thatIwantedtohavethatchildexperiencelifeasIfeltheshould,andreallyforbothmychildren.IguessI'mprettypassionateaboutthat.Asamotherofadoptedchildren,I'vebeengivenagift.IneedtogivethemthebestthatIcando,sothat'swhyI'vepouredmyheartintoit.


WhenDr.Tommentionssomeofthethingsattheend,likehetalkedabouttheirtraumaofhavingtwochildrencommitsuicideunderhiswatch,anditwashardforhimtoreflectonthatI'venoticed.He'sprobablyevenstillfeelingsomeoftheguilt.


Ofcourseheis.Ofcourseheis,andI'vesatwithmyownsoninthehospital.Whenyougoin,inAmerica,toahospitalwithachildwhohasattemptedsuicide,theyputapoliceofficeroutsidetheroomtomonitor,tomakesurethatdoesn'thappenwhileinthehospital.Asaparent,youhavetobethatvigilantpersonallthetime.Ifyoufeelthatitisafoodsubstancethatcouldcausethat,oranimbalanceofthebody'ssystemsthatcancausethat,tomenothingdrivesmemorepassionatelythanknowingthat.Iwantthattonothappenagain.It'ssortoflike"notagainonmywatch"asaparent.IwanttomakesurethatI'veaddressedallofthat.


Asyoustartedtounderstandyourchildisgoingthroughthesetremendouslytraumaticpsychologicalexperiencesbecauseoffoodsensitivityandbecauseofvariousgut-relatedandhealth-relatedissues,itmust'vebeenreallyhardforyouasamotherjustbeingableto.Didyoueverfeelthatguiltyourself,like,"WhatdidIdowrong?"


IfeelwhatIthinkiswrong,whereI'mnotwinningornotsucceedingatitisjustinarticulatingit.IfoundthatifIcouldarticulateitright,ifIhadtheknowledgeofthesciencebehinditthatthenIcouldarticulatewhatitisandhopefullycompelpeoplemoretomakethatchange.Thatwouldbeitmorethananything.I'm67,andIwishatthispointthatIhadbeenadoctororanaturopathorsomethingthatwouldgivememorecredibilitytogooutanddeliverthatmessage.That'swhy.

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Whatwouldyousaytoamotherouttherethat'slisteningrightnowthatisdealingwithachildthatisgoingthroughpsychologicalissuesanditisactuallybeingcausedbytheirfoodsensitivity?Themother'sprobablyjustgoingthroughhellbecauseit'ssohardforthem.Whatwouldyousaytothatwoman?


SomeofthethingsthatIgetfromparentsisoften,"Well,howcanIdothatinmyhousehold?ThenIwilldeprivemyotherchildrenoflife."Withtheconceptthateveryoneneedsredfoodcoloringandsugar,andthethingsthatIconsidertobehorriblefoods,thesetoxicfoods,thenit'lldeprivethemoflife.Myfeelingis,"You'reactuallydeprivingthemoflifebyallowingthemtoeatthem.Ifyoudeletethosefromthediet,youmightbeabletoenablethemtoreachamuchhigherpotential."I'mwatchingsomeoneelserightnowgothroughit.Theirchildhadglioblastoma,whichisabraintumor.Inthehospital,theparentswritestoriesinhappinessorwhatever.Nowtheirnewfavoritefoodwithamealisapplepie.Thespeechtherapistcameintocheckhowhe's



[00:11:00] swallowingbygivinghimalollipop.Cancerfeedsonsugar.

Thesearesimplethingsthatwecouldhavesubstitutesforthatwouldbesomuchmorehealingifpeoplecouldrealizehealththatway.


Thankyousomuch.Then,tothatmotherthat'souttherethat'sreallybattlingandshejustwantstogiveup,justawordofencouragementfromyoutoperhapsjusttokeepgoing.Whatwouldyousay?


WhatI'dliketosaytoyouisthatwhenyouseeyourchildturnacornertomorewellness,you'llrealizethatthequesthereortheeffortsthatyoumakearewellworthit.Therecomesamomentwhentheytrulyarehealthierandgrounded,andabletoformtheirownthoughtsbetterorapplythemselvesinschoolorwithlife,whateverthatis.Thatis,Ithink,ourultimategoalasaparentanyway,istohelpthemrealizetheirgifts.That'sthemostimportantthing.

JonathanOtto: Youbelievethatweneedtohelpthemfindtheirgifts?Findtheirvoice? [00:12:30] DenysReidMargolin:

Absolutely.Idon'tthinkchildrenareours,sotospeak.Ithinkthattheysortofcomethroughus,whetherit'seveninanadoptionorasabirthchild.That'sbasicallyourrole,istohelpthemrealizetheirgiftsandhelpthemgooutfromustobethebestpersontheycanbeintheworld.


Youknowwhatit'sliketoseesomebodyrobbedoftheirabilitiestojustexperienceandappreciatetheirgifts.

DenysReidMargolin: That'sthebiggestheartbreaktome,isnotbeingabletoexperiencetheirgifts.

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Mmm,it'sverynotright.Ithinkthehardestpartasaparentisfightingthegoodfight,inessence,againsttheworldbecausesomanyotherpeopledon'tunderstandit.Somanypeoplewillsaytome,"Oh,youknoweverybodysaysit'sa20-80principlewhereyoucanhavegluten20%ofthetimeandifyou'regood80%ofthetime,it'sgood."That'sthegeneralthinking.Well,it'sabsolutelynot.Ithastobe100%ofthetime,andsovigilantthatyou'remakingsureeverythingisgluten-freeandwhenyougotoarestaurantthatyou'retakingthosespecializethosespecialenzymestoenableyoutobypassthelittletinybitofglutenthat'sinthefoodthatyoumighteat.


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PATIENT CASE STUDY 17 Dr.TomO'Bryan: Helloeveryone,we'reinLondon,England,andIamherewithLindaElsegood,thefounderand

executivedirectoroftheLDNResearchTrust.Linda,thankyousomuchforbeingwithustoday.

LindaElsegood: Thankyouforinvitingme,Tom.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: It'sapleasure.Tellme,first,whatisLDN?

LindaElsegood:[00:00:30]

LDNisLowDoseNaltrexone.Andnaltrexonewasusedintheearly80sforaddictionsforheroinandalcohol.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Soit'sadrugthatwasusedtoreplaceheroinoralcoholaddictions?

LindaElsegood: Yes.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Okay.


That'sright.Anditwasintrialsandstudiesandonlyfoundharmfultotheliverindosesof300milligramsaday.Addictsweretaking50milligramtabletsthreetimesaday,so150.AndLDN,normally,isaround3or4.5milligrams.Soyoucansee,itreallyisn'tgoingtoaffecttheliver.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Sothetoxiceffectsofthedrugnaltrexonewereat300milligramsormoreperday?

LindaElsegood: Yes.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Andwhentheywereusingitforheroinaddictsoralcoholics,theyweregivingthem50milligramsthreetimesaday,verysafe.

LindaElsegood: Mm-hmm(affirmative).

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Waybelowatoxicdose.

LindaElsegood: Yep.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: AndLowDoseNaltrexoneisthreetofive?

LindaElsegood: 4.5.[00:01:30]Dr.TomO'Bryan:

3to4.5milligramsperday.Soit'sminimal-noknownsideeffects,isthatcorrect?

LindaElsegood: That'scorrect,yes.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Thankyou.


Peoplecanexperiencesomeintroductorysideeffects,whichcan,insomecases,beworsethanthepre-existingsymptoms.Sleepdisturbance,headaches,vividdreams,butwehavefoundfromsurveysthatwe'vecarriedoutthatonly5%ofpeopleexperienceanysideeffects,soyou'reveryunluckyifyoudonoticeadifference.Butthesedayspeoplenormallystartondosesreallyultralow,.5insomecasesor1.5,andthathasruledout,inmostcases,anysideeffectsatall.



Dr.TomO'Bryan:[00:02:30]

Sodoctorswhoarebeingcautious,iftheythinktheirpatientsaresensitive,perhaps,they'llstartthemoffat0.5,or1to1.5milligramsperday,andthathasruledoutpotentialtemporarysideeffectsforprettymucheveryone.


That'sright.Imean,therewerepeoplewhenIstartedLDNbackin2003,everybodystartedonthreemilligrams,butpeoplewithMSwhohadstiffnessorspasmsasasideeffect,orpeoplewithchronicfatiguesyndromeorfibromyalgiawhoareultra-sensitivetoanymedication,andwestillhavetolookatLDNasbeingadrug,thosepeoplecouldhavedroppedoutwiththreemilligrams'causeitwastoohigh.Andbystartinglower,thosepeoplemanagedtotolerateitandtitrateitup,buttherearesomepeoplethatfindtwomilligramsworkverywellforthem,andthatthreemilligramsistoohigh,theydon'tfeelasgood.


SowhatarethebenefitsofLDN?Thisisgoingworldwidenow,andprettymuchbecauseofyourefforts,theworldishearingaboutthis.WhatarethebenefitstoLDN?


LDNhelpsboostyourbody'sownendorphins,andyourendorphinsareyourbody'sownnaturalfeel-goodfactor,andpainkiller.It,instudies,hasbeenshowntohelpregulateadysfunctionalimmunesystem,anditalsoworksonyourtoll-likereceptors,ithelpsreducetheinflammationinyourbody,anditalsohelpsstopcancercellsthatareoutofcontrol,multiplying.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: SoLDNreducesinflammation-


Dr.TomO'Bryan: -itsupportstheimmunesystem,anditarreststhemultiplyingcancercells.

LindaElsegood: Yes.


That'sbeenmypersonalexperiencewithpeopleI'vetalkedtowhohavetakenit,also.Andisthisraretoseethesekindsofbenefits,or,Imean,howoftendoyouthink-whatpercentageofpeoplethattakethisdrug,whatpercentageofthemaregettingbenefitsfromit?


Well,fromallthedoctorsthatI'veinterviewed,I'veaskedthisquestionaswell.Youknow,fromthepatientsthatyou'veprescribedLDNfor,whatwouldyousayhasbeenthesuccessrate?Anddoctorssaynormallyaround97to98%,reallyreallyhigh.Theresultsthatthesepeoplecouldhavecouldvary.Itcanbeasmallimprovementtoavastimprovement,wheretheycouldfeelnormalagain.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Whatweretheyfeelingbeforehand?

LindaElsegood:[00:05:30][00:06:00]

Well,thereareover200conditionsthatweknowthatLDNcanhelpwith.Ifadiseasehasanautoimmunecomponent,thereisagoodchancethatLDNcouldworktosomeextent.Forexample,arthritis,typeonediabetes,fibromyalgia,chronicfatiguesyndrome,psoriasis,alopecia,MS,lupus,thyroidconditions,youknow,thelistgoeson.Peoplewiththyroidconditionsfindusuallythatoncethey'vebeenonLDNalittlewhile,it'salwaysgoodtobemonitoredbyadoctorwhenyou'reonotherthyroidmedications,becausetheynormallyhavetoreducethosemedications,whichhastobeagoodthing.Wehavemanypeoplewithfibromyalgiathathavebeentakingacocktailofdrugs,somepeople,like,14differentdrugsaday,canreducethattomaybeonlytwoorthree.Insomecases,theyjusttakeLDN,theymanagetogetoffalltheirmedication.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Wow,yes.Andisthisanexpensivedrugtotake?




No,it'saverycheapdrug.InAmerica,it'susuallyaroundabout$30amonth.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: $30amonth?

LindaElsegood: $30amonth.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Not$3,000amonth.

LindaElsegood: Not3,000.


$30amonth.Andit'sapowerfulanti-inflammatory,itenhancestheimmunefunction,anditarreststheprogressionofcancerinmanymanycases,$30amonth.Thissoundslikeamiracledrug.

LindaElsegood:[00:07:30][00:08:00]

Forsomepeople,ithasbeenamiracledrug.RepresentingtheLDNResearchTrust,wehaveacaveatwherewehavetosaythatLDNisn'tamiracledrugoracure,anditdoesn'tworkforeveryone.ButthetestimonialsthatI'vehadfromover500people,thatI'vehadthepleasureofinterviewing,manyofthemfeeltheyareabletofunctionagain,whichissoimportant.Whenyouhavegotpeoplewhowereinbed,whocouldn'tmove,theirpainlevelshadbeensohigh,cognitively,theyweren'tabletofunctioninanywhichway,shape,orform,andthensuddenly,overaperiodoftimethattheyhavefeltsoimprovedthatmanypeoplehavegonebacktowork,whichisgoodfortheeconomyaswellaspeople'sself-esteem,andabletolookafterchildrenagain,Imeanit'sverysuccessfulinmanycases.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Wow,yes.Wellthat'sremarkable,that'sjust-I'mstartledbythis,andI'dknownalittleaboutLDNbutI'mhearingmoredetailnowfromyou,whyisn'tthisacceptedbyeverymedicaldoctoraroundtheworld?

[00:08:30]LindaElsegood:[00:09:00]

LDNisoutofpatent,soit'sagenericdrug.ItcanbecompoundedbyanypharmacistintheUS.HereinEngland,ithastobemadebyaspecialistcompany,butit'savailable.Anddoctorscanprescribeitoff-label,onanewpatient-onlybasis.ClinicaltrialsareneededtoprovewhatLDNdoesfortheseconditions,butasyouprobablyknowthatclinicaltrialsarenormallydrugcompanydriven,thereisnomoneyforadrugcompanytodothetrials,soanytrialsthathavebeendonesofar,andonesthatareplannedondoing,havetohaveprivatefunding.


So,ifI'munderstandingyoucorrectly,becauseit'ssuchaninexpensivedrug,adollaraday,basically,there'snofinancialinterestsforpharmaceuticalcompaniesthatfundmostoftheresearchonnewdrugs,whichcantakemillionsandmillionsofdollarstodoaresearchproject,there'snoincentivebecausethey'renotgonnamakethemoneyback,iftheydothesetrialsonadrugthatcostsadollaraday.Andsotheresearchthat'spublishedarefromclinicians,doctorsinthefield,whoaresaying,"Hey,inmypatients,thisiswhat'shappening."


[00:10:00]Dr.TomO’Bryan:[00:10:30]

Now,IhadtheprivilegeofattendingthelasttwoLDNconferencesthatyou’vehostedinthelastthreeyears,andI'veheardsomeofthesepresentations.I'veheardofoncologiststhatarereversingcancers.I'veheardofrheumatologistsreversingrheumatoidarthritis,andotherautoimmuneconditions.I'veheardpresentationsonchronicfatigue,doctorswhoarereversingchronicfatigue,andmultiplechemicalsensitivities.Thetypesofstudiesthathavebeendonesofararemoreclinically-basedstudies,andnotresearchstudies.That'smyimpression.AmIcorrectinthat?



LindaElsegood: Therehavebeensomeresearchstudiescarriedout.Dr.JarredYoungerhasdonetwoforfibromyalgia.Dr.JillSmithhasdonetwoforCrohn's,onewaspediatricCrohn's.Therehavebeenothersmallstudies,butweneedlarge-scalestudies.

[00:11:00]Dr.TomO'Bryan:

Andmore.

LindaElsegood: Dr.JarredYoungerhasatrialproposalformultiplesclerosisandLDN,andthatisgoingtobearound$500,000.Thatwillbeapilotstudy.He'shopingthatthatwillbesuccessful,andthenfundingshouldbeeasilyavailableforafullstudy.


Whatisitthatmotivatedyoutofoundthisorganizationandtocarrythismessageout?WhyareyouinvolvedwiththemessageonLDN?

LindaElsegood:[00:12:00][00:12:30]

Okay.Well,I'vegotmultiplesclerosis,andIwasdiagnosedin2000.Iwasveryillaftermymotherhadaheartattack,andthatwasmytrigger.OnceweknewthatIhadMS,wecouldtrackitback,allthedifferenteventsthathadhappenedtomesinceIwasaround13,thattheywererelapses.Thingswouldhappen,thingswouldgonumb.I'dlosetheuseofsomething,andthenafterafewweeksithadgone.Ineverwenttothedoctors,Ididn'tseetherewasaproblem.It'sjustliketheywereallinmymind,isolatedincidences.Itwasn'tuntilyougetallthepiecesofajigsawpuzzle,andyoucanthenseewhatthefullpictureis.InOctober2003,Iwasinareallynotagoodplace.IwastoldIhadseconddegreeprogressiveMS,andnothingmorecouldbedoneforme.

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Atthatpoint,justtogiveyouanideaofwhatIwaslivingwithmyMS,cognitively,itwasasthoughEnglishwasmysecondlanguage.Icouldn'trecallvocabulary.Iwouldputasentencetogetherinmymind,becauseIknewthatwhatcameoutofmymouth,peoplecouldn'tunderstand.Itwouldmakesensetome,buteverybodywouldgivemethatlook,likesomebodywho'shadastroke,youknow?It'sreallydifferenttoworkoutwhatitistheyhavesaid.Ihadtospeakslowly,soIwasslurringmywords,buttryingtotalkultraclear.ItwasveryslowbecauseIwastryingtomakeaneffortwitheverywordthatIsaid.Iwouldperhapscallacatadog,butIwouldthinkI'dsaidtherightword.EverytimeIspoke,myhusbandcorrectedme.Iwouldsay,"CanIhaveacupoftea?"Idon'tdrinktea,Ionlydrinkcoffee.Hewouldsay,"Don'tyoumeancoffee?"Yes.Didn'tIsaycoffee?No.

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Well,thatwassodepressingbecauseeverytimeyou'dsaysomething,somebodywouldtellyouyou'rewrong.Youknow,"you'rewrong."Don'tdoit.Don'tcorrectmebecauseI'mfindingitreallyupsetting.Hethoughtbycorrectingme,thatIwouldrememberthenexttime.Itdidn'tworkthatway.ThatwastheproblemIhadcognitively,andIreallythoughtIwasgettingAlzheimer'sorsomething.Whenwewerefirstmarried,wewereburgled,andwewereflooded.MostofthethingsthatI'dhelddeartome,atthattime,materialisticthings,werelost.Fromthatpointon,Ididn'teverholdanythingmaterialisticofanyvaluebecauseIknewthatitcouldbetakenaway.Theonlythingthatwasreallyimportantwereyourmemories.IfeltthatIwaslosingmymemories.

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Theleftsideofmybodywasnumbwithpinsandneedles,exactlyhalfmybody,halfmyforehead,andmynose,mytongue,mycheekwasnumbwithpinsandneedles.Itwasvery,verypainful.Itfeltsimilartowhenyou'vehadaninjection,tohaveafillingatthedentist,whenit'swearingoff.Itwasthatkindofpain.Icouldn'tbearanythingtouchingmebecauseitwassopainful.Thehearinginmyleftearwentcompletely.Therewasnohearingthereatall.Ihaddoublevision,soeverythingwasvery,veryhardtosee.IusedtowearapatchoveroneeyesoIcouldsee.Botheyesworked,butjustnottogether.Ihadbowelandbladderproblems.Problems,asinnocontrolatall.Iwaschokingonmyfood.Ihadverybadvertigo.Ihadnobalance.Thestrengthinmyleftlegwouldjust...Icouldbestanding,andthenit'djustgo,liketurningoffaelectriclightswitch.Thestrengthwouldgo.



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Ifellontheflooranawfullot,eitherthroughthevertigo,thenobalance,ortheleg.Iwasfurniturewalking,andhadtouseawheelchair.Ihadrestlesslegs,soatnightitwasawful.Mylegswouldthrasharound.Togetouttogotothetoilet,whichIusedtogotoregularly,ifIwokeup,ifItriedtostandup,mylegswerelikeelasticbands.IwouldbobupanddownuntilIfellover,becausemylegswouldn'tholdme.Iusedtohavetostretchmylegs,andwakemylegsup,that'showIcalledit,beforeIcouldstand.Ifnot,itwouldn'tholdmyweight.Withtherestlesslegs,Ialsohadtwitchingmuscles,differentpartsofmewouldtwitch.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Visiblytwitch?

LindaElsegood:[00:18:30][00:19:00]

Visiblytwitch,justmove.That'sannoyingwhenyou'vegotpartsofyoutwitching.Myrightthumbwouldtwitchsomuch,especiallywhenIwastryingtogotosleep.Iusedtotryandclosemythumbwithmyfingersandholdittight.Tryingtogotosleepholdingsomethingtightisverydifficult.Islept,atonepoint,20hoursaday.Icouldn'tkeepawake.WhenIwasasleep,Ididn'treallyfeelanything,whichwasablessing.Sometimesforafewsecondsafterwaking,Icouldfeelnormal.Thenitwouldhitme,allthesedifferentthings.Painwasareallybigthing.Ididn'tcallpainliketheburning.Ihadburninglimbs.Ididn'tcallthatpain,Icalleditburning.Which,Iwaspointedoutlateron,well,thatwasactuallypain.Thepinsandneedleswaspain.

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Ihadpaininmyhead,whichisliketoothache,really,reallyexcruciatingtoothache.Itwouldmovetodifferentpartsofmyhead,thefront,thentheback,andthesides.Itwasn'talwaysinthesameplace.Ihadverystrongpainkillers.Itwasatradeoffwiththepainkillers.Thepainkillerswouldnumbthepain,soitwasbearable.Alongwiththatcamethenausea,sothenyoucouldn'tmovebecauseyouthoughtyouweregoingtovomitanyminute.Itwasastruggleof,tosaying,wherethepainwasbadenoughthatyouhadtotakethem,butknowingthatyouweregoingtofeelsonauseous.Itwasatradeoff.Atthatpointinmylife,IfeltIwassurviving,notliving.

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Icouldn'tachieveanything.AnytargetorgoalIsetmyself,Ifailed.I'maworkaholic.Ilikeachievingthings.Ifoundthatreallysouldestroying,notevenbeingabletogettothebathroomwithouthavinganaccident.Iwasspittingmydrinks.Itwasawful.Itjustremindedmeofwatchingoneofthosecalendarsthatflipover.Thesixth,theseventh,theeighth,andwhathaveIdone?Ihaven'tbeenabletogetoutofbedwithouthelp.Ihaven'tbeenabletoshowermyselfwithouthelp.Mydaughter,Icanrememberherwashingmyhairhersayingtome,"Okay,youknow,headback,closeyoureyes,Idon'twantyoumoaningyou'vegotsoapinyoureyes."anditwas,Icouldhearmyselfwhenshewasachildyouknow,washingherhair.

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Icouldn'tdoanythingformyselfandthat'sveryupsetting.AtthatpointthatwaswhenIwastoldIwassecondaryprogressiveandnothingmorecouldbedoneforme.NoplanB,nothing.I'dactuallyliketoaddthere,atthatpointmyneurologistexaminedme,hesatmedown,helookedatmeacrossthedeskandsaid,"I'mreallysorrytotellyouyoursecondaryprogressiveMS."Andheshookhandswithme,gotup,openedthedoor,andsaid,"There'snothingmorethatcanbedoneforyou."Thatwasdevastating.Absolutelydevastating.

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WegotinthecarandIsaidtomyhusband,"Ifeelasthoughhesaidtome'gohomeanddiequietly,don'tmakeafuss,you'reanembarrassment.'"ThatishowIfeltatthatpoint.TherewasnoplanBanduntilyougetsickyouthinkconsultantsareGod.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Doctors,notconsultants.


Yeah,doctors.Ifyou'resickthey'regoingtofixyou,they'regoingtoknowwhattodo.Itwassuchashocktometorealizethatsometimestheycan'tfixyou.Theydon'tknowwhattodo.Sowithmymanytripstothetoilet,thetripping,thefalling,thestumbling,unabletoseeandhearandthink,themostIcouldsitatthecomputeratoncewastenminutesandIwasjustsoexhaustedIcouldn'tfunctionaftertenminutesonit,Ijustneededtojustsleepagain,wastofindoutwhat



otherpeopleweredoingwithMS.Iknewtherewereotherpeopleouttherewho'dgotMS,whatweretheydoing?Whatweretheyusing?HowweretheymanagingtosurvivewiththeirMS?

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Iwasverylucky.IfoundmanypeoplewhowereusingLDNandtheyallsaidthesametome,"Ifit'snotgoingtodoyouanygood,it'snotgoingtodoyouanyharm."QuitehonestlyI'dhaveeventriediteveniftherewasariskofsideeffects.ImanagedtogetalltheinformationandItookittomyowndoctorandaskedifshewouldprescribeitforme,andshewastoldbythepartnersinthepracticethatshecouldn't.ShesaidthatshewashappytomonitormeifIcouldgetsomeoneelsetoprescribeitforme.Imanagedtofindadoctor,Dr.BobLawrenceinWaleswhowaswillingtogivemeaprescriptionandmydoctormonitoredme.Ifeltquitecomfortablewiththat.

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Iwastoldthattherecouldbetheseintroductorysideeffects.Icouldhavebeentakingparacetamol,itdidnothing.IwasreallyupsetbecauseIthoughtthiswastheonlythingthatI'dfoundthatpeoplewerehavingsuccesswith.Itwasn'tgoingtoworkforme.IfIgotheadachesoranupsetstomach,atleastI'dknowitwasdoingsomething.AfterthreeweeksIwokeuponemorninganditwaslikeIcouldhearsomething.Somethinghadcomebackinmyleftear.Thingsdon'tlookquitesodistorted.Theclarityofmymindslowlycamebackanditwaslike,"Whoa!"

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Whatishappeninghere?It'slikesomeoneturnedthelightson.

LindaElsegood:[00:25:00][00:25:30]

Yes.IalwayssayhowIwaslivinginmyheadwaslikelivinginatelevisionsetthatwasn'ttunedinandsuddenlytheknobshadbeenadjustedanditwasclear.Thatwasamazing.AtthetimewhenIwasverysick,whenIhadthispainIwasinsomuchpainonedayIhadanewbottleofpainkillersandaglassofwaterandIwasonmyownanditwasveryhard.

[00:26:00]Dr.TomO’Bryan:

Thankyouforyourcourage.

[00:26:30]LindaElsegood:[00:27:00][00:27:30][00:28:00][00:28:30]

Soatthattimemyparentswouldlookatmeandsay,"Ifonlywecouldhaveitinsteadofyou,ifwecouldtakeitawayfromyou."Friendswereembarrassedbecausetheydidn'tknowwhattosaytome.Itwasso,sodifficult.IthoughtifItookthepainkillersandendedit,thateverybodywouldunderstand.Iwasstoppingeverybodyelsefromhavinganormallife.Whenyouhavesomebodyinthefamilywhoissickitdoesn'tjustaffectthatperson,itaffectsthewholefamilyandIdidn'twanttomessupeverybodyelse'slife.IthoughtifIendedmine...thateverybodyelsewouldbeabletocarryonandtheywouldunderstand.Theonlythingthatstoppedmefromdoingthatwasmy15yearolddaughterwouldhavefoundmeandIcouldn'thaveputherthroughthat.Sotheonlyoptionwastofightit.Todosomethingtotryandgetmylifebackandthat'swhatledmetolookforLDN.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Afterthreeweeksyoufinallywokeupanditwaslikethedimmerswitchwasturnedupandeverythingwasalittleclearer,yourhearing,yourvision,yourthinking.Ittookthreeweeks,butthenthingsstartedtochange.

[00:29:00]LindaElsegood:[00:29:30]

Yes.Ittook18monthstogetbacktoareallygoodstateofhealth.Veryslowlythebowelandbladderproblemsresolved.Thetwitchingmuscles,theburninglimbs,therestlesslegs,itwasnotovernight.Itwasslowly,butasIbecamestrongerdifferentthingsjustdisappeared,thatwereproblems.It’sveryeasywhenyou'regoingdownhillandmymotherusedtosaytomeshewasprayingthatonedayIwasgoingtosayIfeltbetterbutwhenIwasgoingdownhill,"Howareyoutoday?"Thatwasdepressingbecauseitwaslike,"Oh,Ican'tstandnow."Or,"I'velostmybladdercontrol."Goingdown,mentioningit.Whenyoustartgettingbetter,it'ssostrangethewayyou-

[00:30:00] it'ssostrangethewayyourmindacceptsthatyoucandosomethingnow,andyou'veforgottenhowmanythingsyoucandothatyoucouldn'tdountilsomebodymakesyourecallwhatitwas



youcouldn'tdo,andyouthink,"Well,howlonghaveIbeenabletodothat?"It'shardtoremember.

[00:30:30] I'llsayitwasDecember2003whenIstartedLDN,andIstartedtheLDNResearchTrustinthefollowingNovember.WhatdidIwanttodowiththeknowledgethatIhadlearned?DidIwanttocarryonwithmylifeandsay,"I'mokay,"ordidIwanttohelpthosepeoplethatwereinthatdeep,darkplacethatIwasinthathadbeentoldthere'snothingmorethatcanbedone?

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Iwantedtotellpeople.Iwantedtostandontherooftopsandsay,"Okay,it'snotamiracledrugoracure,anditmightnotworkforyou,butlookintoit,investigate.Doyourresearch.Seeifitwoulddoanythingforyou."Thathasledtosomanytestimonialsfromdifferentpeople.

Oneyounggirl,verysuccessfulbusinesslady,shehadseveralautoimmuneconditions,andshehadalopecia,andshelostallherhair.Shelostallherbodyhair.


Alopeciaisanautoimmunedisease.


Exactly.Shelosthereyebrowsandhereyelashes,andshewouldlookinthemirror,andshecouldn'tseeherselfanymore.Itdidn'tlooklikeher.Herconsultanthadsaidtohertherearesomeveryniceheadscarvesouttherethesedays.Shegavetalksandlectures.Shedidn'twanttohavetowearaheadscarf.Theyhadn'ttoldherthatallthedifferentthingsthatwerewrongwithherwereautoimmune.She'ddoneherownresearch,andshecouldseethattherewasapatternhereforautoimmuneconditions.

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ShestartedLDNandslowlythingsimproved,andherhaircameback,notthesamecolorasithadbeenpreviously,andpeoplethinkthatshehaditdyedandshewasquitetrendy,andshedidn'tmindthatatall.Butshegotherhairback.Itwasfinerthanithadbeenbefore.Shegothair.Thatwasamazing.Alltheotherconditionsthatshehad...IthinkshehadIBS,andshehadlikearthriticproblemsaswell,andtheseallresolved.

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Wehadaveryniceyoungladysharedherstorywithuswhogotfibromyalgia.She'dgotlittlegirls.Shecouldn'tgetoffthesofa.Shecouldn'tlookafterthem.Shewasinsomuchpain,shewantedtodie.Shewasonlyinher20s.Thepainwassoexcruciating.Forsomebodytojustwanttodiewhenyou'vegotsmallchildrentolookafter...Butitwasawful.Shejustdidn'twanttolive.Nowshe'snotonlylookingafterherchildren,doingtheshopping,andthecooking,andthecleaning,she'sworkingparttimeaswell.Amazingstories.

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Anotherstorythatsticksinmymind...Aladywho'dgotCrohn'sdisease,shewasbleedingverybadly.She'dgotchildrenthatshewasn'tabletolookafter.Shesaidthatshehadn'tbeenawifeoramotherforalongtime.Shewasjustlyingthere.Shewentintohospital.Theyweregoingtoremoveherbowel,soitwasbypassingthebowelsalltogether.Dramaticoperation,andshehadbeengiventhepremeds.Theywerereadytotakeherdowntotheater,andshehadapanicattack.Shedidn'twantitdone.Shesaid,"No,don'toperate.Idon'twantitdone."Theytoldher,"Ifyoudon'thaveitdone,you'regoingtodie."Youareonestepaway.Youneedthisoperation.Shesaid,"Ican'thaveitdonetoday.Ineedtogohome.Ineedtothinkaboutit,andIwillcomeback."

Theywerebeingverypersuasivebecauseyoucanimaginethatthey'dgotthatfar...



...tooperating.Shecamehome.Shedidherresearch.ShefoundLDN,andshestartedit,andthebleedingstopped.Shestartedtoputonweight.Herdoctorsentherbacktothehospital,andtheydidtests,andtheycouldn'tfindanyCrohn'satall.



Dr.TomO’Bryan: Mygoodness.Howlonghadshebeentakingit?

LindaElsegood: Onlyafewmonths.Lessthanayear.



WhenIinterviewedher,shehadjustgivenbirthtoalittleboy,andthestorywasveryupsetting.HewassayingbeforetheLDNthatshewantedtodie,andshewassayingthatiftheLDNcouldkeepherCrohn'sfreeuntilherlittleboywasgrown,shewouldn'tmindthen,if,youknow,itallcameback.Shewassayingthatherhusbandhasgothiswifeback,thechildrenhavegottheirmotherback,andtheywereblessedwiththisthirdchild.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Yes.[00:36:00]LindaElsegood:

Wonderfulstory.Ihearsomanywonderfulstories.I'llalmostbeabitofasofty,Iguess,thattheyreallytouchme,thesestories.

Dr.TomO’Bryan:[00:36:30]

Yes.Theworkyou'redoingtocarrythemessageoutaboutthisdrugwithminimaltonosideeffectsthat'sadollaraday,andthedramaticchangesthatareoccurringarenothinglessthanamiracletocarrythismessageout.You'redoingsuchafabulousjobdoingit.That'swhyIhadtohaveyouinthisdocuseriestotellthewordaboutLDN.

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Forourhealthcarepractitionersoutthere,thewaythisworksisthatitstimulatestheopiatereceptorsandtheendocannabinoidreceptorsthroughoutthebody.Itdoesn'tfillthereceptor.Itstimulatesandbreaksdown.It'saveryshort-termstimulation,soyou'reactivatingendorphinandenkephalinproductionthroughoutthebody.That'swhywithautoimmunediseases,withcancers,that'stheprimarymechanismastowhythatworks.Alittleblurbthereforourdocsoutthere.

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Linda,iftherewereamessagethatyouwantedtogivetothepeopleinattendance...Thesearepeoplewhoarelisteningbecauseofautoimmunediseases...Whatisitthatyouwouldwanttosaytothem?

LindaElsegood:[00:38:00][00:38:30]

Iwouldcertainlysaydoyourresearch.I'llgetaquickplug-inhere.We'vehadabookpublished,"TheLDNBook,"whichisreallysobeneficialtopeople.IfonlytherehadbeensuchabookwhenIwasdiagnosed.ItgivesyouthehistoryandpharmacologyofLDN.Therearequestionsandanswers.There'showtoapproachyourdoctors.Therearechaptersondifferentconditions.It'swrittenforthemedicalprofessionals,butit'salsoinalanguagethatthepersonwiththeconditioncouldactuallyunderstand.It'sabookwellworthlookinginto.Ourwebsiteaddressiswww.LDNResearchTrust.org,andtherearesomanydifferentlinkstothoseinterviewsthatIwastalkingabout,factsheets,clinicaltrialsthathavebeendone,studiesthathavebeendonewithLDN.Thereissomuchinformationtherethatreallyisagoodstartingpoint.


LindaElsegood,ExecutiveDirectorandFounderoftheLDNResearchTrust,IwanttothankyouforyourcourageandsharingyourpersonalstoryandthemessageaboutLDNwithouraudience,andthankyoufortheworkyou'redoing.

LindaElsegood: Thankyou.


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PATIENT CASE STUDY 18 MalgorzataDesmond: MynameisMalgorzataDesmond.Iamaregistereddietitianandnutritionaltherapist.Iworkin

Poland.Themainfocusofmypracticeisautoimmuneandotherinflammatorydiseases.IseepatientswithHashimoto’sdisease,withrheumatoidarthritis,withpsoriasis,withpsoriaticarthritis,withmultiplesclerosis.Iseealotofkidswithallergy,atopiceczema,atopicdermatitis,asthma.Ialsoseepeoplewithdiabetesandheartdisease,themainkillersofWesternsocieties,butasIsaid,themainfocusisautoimmunedisease.

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Iseeabout100peopleamonthwithinflammatoryconditionsandIhavetosaymyexperienceworkingwithacertaintypeofadietwiththosepeople...Myexperienceisthatdiethasanenormouspositiveeffectonthecourseoftheinflammatoryconditionsinautoimmunedisease.Iworkmainlywithfoods.Foodsandnutrition.TherangeofsupplementsinPolandisdifferentthanyoucansee,let'ssay,intheUSortheUK.Also,theyarequitepricey.Theyaregoodqualityproducts.Nutraceuticalsarepricey.

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Mymainfocusisdiet.ImakesureIworkwithvitaminDandessentialfattyacids.Sometimesaprobioticandsomeanti-inflammatories.Morethanthis,Iworkwithalow-antigendiet,anti-inflammatorydiet,whichismainlyaglutenanddairy-freedietandincertainconditions,thereareothereliminationslikegrain-freeorpulses-free,sonobeans,nolentils.There'slotsofvegetables,somefruit,lowantigenstarches,andtheproteinismeatandfishinpeoplewhodoeatitandwithvegetariansandvegans,Itrytoadaptthedietandmaketheirdietarychoicewithplant-basedprotein.

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Myexperience...IhavetosayIwasflabbergasted.Iwasabsolutelyamazedwhatdietcando.Let'ssaywithHashimoto’s.ThisisprobablythemostcommonconditionIsee.IprobablyseealmosteverydaysomebodywithHashimoto.Allright.Let'ssaythat...Ihadan18yearoldgirlcametomeabouttwoyearsagoandshehadfull-blownHashimoto’sdisease.HerTSHlevelswerereallyhigh.Idon'trememberatthemomentwhatwasthelevel,butitwasveryhighandespeciallyantibodieswerevery,veryhigh.ATPOandATTantibodiesprobablyabout800,900bothofthem.Shewasputbyatopmedicaldoctoronhormonereplacement,sothyroidhormonereplacementtherapy,butshealsowantedtoimplementadiet,sowewent,firstofall,wewentwithaglutenanddairy-freediet.Itdidhelpalittlebit.HerTSHlevelwasgoingdown,despiteherbeingonamedication,soherdoctorwasadjustingthedoseofthemedicationsaccordinglyandherantibodieswentdownprobablyabout20,30%.

[00:04:00] Then,itkindofstopped,soIaskedherdoesshewanttocontinuewithamoreaggressivetypeofdietarytherapy.Sheagreed,sowewentwiththefull-blownlow-antigendietasIcallit.There,shecametomeabouttwomonthsagoafterayearandahalfonthisdiet,andallherantibodieshavenormalized.HerTSHwentdownevenmore.She'sstillonsome...It'sUterix.It'scalledinPolish.It'samedication...It'sahormoneforHashimoto.She'sstilltakingsomemedication,butthedosehasbeenreducedabout30,40%.Shefeelsbetter.Shedoesn'thavedigestiveissuesanymore,whichshedidhavebefore.

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Thisisjustoneexampleandit'saverytypicalexampleofwhathappens.IcannotsaythatallHashimoto’srespondstodiet.Myfeelingisthat80%ofthepatientsdorespondtodiet.20%arekindofresistanttodiet,soobviouslythereareotherfactorsthatcontributetoanautoimmunediseasethanjustwhat'sgoingoninyourgut.Thevastmajority,myfeelingis,dorespond.Also,otherconditionslikejustnormaljointpain,evenwithoutbeingdiagnosedwithanydiseaselikerheumatoidarthritis.Ihavealotofpeoplewhocometomeandtheysaytheyhavebrainfog.Theyhavefatigue.Theyhavejointpain.Theyhavedeformationsontheirjoints.WhatIseebyputtingthemonagluten-freeanddairy-freedietandobviouslymodifyingthediettobeanti-inflammatoryandhavingagoodinfluenceontheirmicrobiome,asweknownow,significantly



improvestheircondition.

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Theyhavelessjointpain.Insomecases,I'veseenitactuallylastmonth.Awomancameuptomeafteraboutsixmonthsofbeingonadiet,andallthosedeformationshavejustdisappeared.I'mnotsayingithappensin100%ofthecasesandofcoursewedon'thavethestudiestoactuallyprovethatthisisdietthatisdoingit,butwehavealltheevidenceandindirectevidencesuggestingthatdietcouldhaveacontributiontowhatI'mseeingintheclinic.WehaveprobablyoneofthemoststrikingcasesthatI'vedealtwithwasagirl.A28yearoldgirlwithareallysevererheumatoidarthritis.Shewassobadthatshecouldn'twalk.Shehadseveredeformationsofherhandsandshecouldn'tevenstraightenherarms.Shecouldn'tpickupherbaby.Shehadtwosmallbabies.Theflareofthediseasewasreally,reallybadwhenshecametomeandadoctorIwasworkingwithatthetime,arheumatologist.

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Obviouslythedoctorgavehersomesteroidinjectionsjusttoalleviateherconditionsothatshecouldmove.Weputheronagluten-free,dairy-freedietwithlotsoffruitsandvegetablesandweremovedsomeoftheotherproteinsaswellandliterallywithinayear,thisgirlisnowmedication-free.Someofherdeformation...Shedoesn'thavelikehandsthatlooknormal,butsomeofthedeformationswerelessenedandyoucouldevenseetheregenerationofherjointsonanX-ray,whichwasconfirmedbyourorthopedicsurgeonthatwasworkingwithusatthattime.Shecamebacktonormalfunction,normallife,andthemedicationswereobviouslyreducedandtheneliminatedwiththecareofthedoctor,ofherconsultingrheumatologist,butitwaspossible.

Again,I'mnotsayingthatallrheumatoidarthritiscasesrespondlikethat.ShewasprobablyoneofthemostextremeonesI'veseen,butmostofthetimeswhatIseeisthatdiethasaverypositiveimpactonthecourseoftheautoimmunedisease.Insomecases,extremelypositiveone.

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Shewas.Yeah,shewastakinglotsofmedications.ShejustcametousbecausesheheardaboutusontheInternet,soshedecidedtotryanotherdoctor.Thisdoctor,shewasmybossatthattime,wasveryopentodietarytherapy,sothenshesenthertome.Shegavehersomemedication,butshesenthertome.Thenwedealtwiththediet.No,shestillstayswiththesamedoctor,somyoldboss.Shecomestoherforcheckupsnowandagain.She'sstillinremissionandsheisstillmedication-free.Eachtime,she'sexposedtogluten.Glutenseemstoreactwithherreally,reallybadly.Shegetsjointpainthenextdayanditlastsforabouttwoweeks.

I'mgivinglecturesinPolandaboutthelinkbetweendietandautoimmunediseaseandshewaskindenoughtospeakliveatmylecturesacoupleoftimes.Shesaidthatherlifeisback.Shedidn'thaveanylife.Shewashousebound.Shedidn'tleaveherhouseforacoupleofmonths.Shewassomuchinpainandnothingreallyhelped,soshewasalwayssayingshelovedhighheeledshoesandshecouldn'treallywalk.Now,she'senjoyingherhighheeledshoes.Shecandostep.Shedoesstepaerobics.Shewasn'tabletodoanyofthatbefore.

[00:10:00] Ilovemyjob.That'swhyI'mdoingit.Iloveseeingpatientsgetbetteranditgivesmeamassive...Itmakesmehappy.I'mverytiredafter8hourswork,butIgohomehappy.

Iseealotofkidswithatopicdermatitis,eczema,andIhavetosay,inmostofthosecases,atailoreddietaryprotocolworks.Literallyintwotothreemonths,mostoftheskineczemaisgoneorseverelyreduced,sothisisoneoftheareasthatIfindabigsatisfaction.It'sahugesatisfactionformetoworkwiththosekidsbecauseIseeitasworks.

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Also,anotherareathatmaybeisworthmentioningisankylosingspondylitis.Ankylosingspondylitisistheautoimmunediseasethataffectsthejointsofyourspineandit'smainlyIseemenwiththiscondition,sometimeswomen.It'saseverepainaroundyoursacroiliacjointandjustalongthespine.Outofcuriosity,IwentontheUSankylosingspondylitiswebsiteanditsaiddiethasnothingtodowiththisconditionandIhavetosayinmyexperience,it'stotallydifferent.



Mostofmypatientsrespondreallypositivelytodietarychange.I'mnotsayingallofthemaretotallypain-free,buttheydoreportlessstiffness,lesspain,moreenergy,andthisisaconditionthatrespondsreallywelltodietarychange.Aspecific,tailoreddietarychange.

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Mostofmypatientscometomeafterhearingfromsomebodythatthisdiethelped.Somebody,orsometimestheylookupsomethingontheInternet,somedocumentaries,ormaybesomeinterviewsofotherpeoplewhohavebeenhelpedbydietaryandnaturalapproaches.Ithinkbywatching"Betrayal,"youcangetalotofinformationthatcaninspireyoutotakehealthintoyourhandsandmaybetoavailofsomeofthosetherapiesthatarenowevenmoreandmoreproventoworkandhelpyougetbetter.

WhatIwanttosaytoyouisdon'tmissoutonthisopportunitytowatch"Betrayal"becauseitcouldchangeyourlifeorthelifeofsomebodyyoulove.


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Ijustcan'trememberwhenIwasdiagnosedpsoriasis,whichismyautoimmunedisease.It'salwaysbeenwithme.Forme,themanifestationofthediseaseislikeIhavesomerashesonthelowerlimbsandonmyarmsandalsomyscalpandeverything.Almostit'sallovermybody,mycompletebody.AlthoughIdon'trememberwhenIwasdiagnosed.

Ijustrememberalwaysgoingtodifferentdoctorstryingtofindsolutionsformyproblemandtheyjustdidn'tprovideit.Alwayssameanswers,liketakethiscreamwiththiscorticoorwhateverorhavethiskindofshampoo.Butnoactualsolutionformyproblem.

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Ialsorememberonemoment,IthinkIwaslike10or12.Ijusttalkedtomyparent,mydad,andIasked,"Daddy,whenI'mgoingtogetridofthis?IsitgoingtodisappearwhenI'molder?"Hetoldmelikesupersincere,hetoldme,"Son,thisisgoingtobewithyouforever."Icouldn'tstandthatandjustwentdownintears.Iwascryingthewholenightinmyroom.

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Thenyoufindaspotwhenyougetolderthatyouhavetotakethecontrolofyourhealth.Youhavetodothingsforyourselfbecausenobodyelseisgoingtodothemforyou.ThenIstartedfindingalternatives.I'manengineerandI'msuperstructured.Ialwaysthinkthatthere'sasolutionforaproblem.Ijuststarteddiggingontheinternettryingtofindasolutionformyproblem.

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Thenyoufindthattherearepeoplelikeyouthatalsohaveanautoimmunecondition,becausethat'swhatpsoriasisis,it'snotaskincondition,it'sanautoimmunecondition,andthatyoucancontrolit.Youcanimproveit.Youcangetmuchbetterbytakingtherightdecisions.Also,forme,itwaskindofembarrassingbeing...Imeankidsaretoughwhenyou'reyoung.Becauseforaguylikemehavingthoseskinrashes,theylookweirdforthem.

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Thequestionwasalwaysnotinakindway.Imeanit'snotlike,"Heywhat'swrongwithyou?Whatproblemdoyouhave?CanIhelpyou?"It'slikeaweirdlook,liketheyfeellikeitwasickyorsomethingordisgusting.Forme,IhadproblemswithmyconfidenceandwearingshortsinsummeroraT-shirtbecausetheexposuretootherpeople.IthinkIwasnotthatconfidentbecauseoftheproblemIhave.

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Thenyougrowoldandthenyouknowthatyouhavetofindsolutionsforyourself.Ifoundthathavingdietchangesandcontrollingyourstressmanagement,likemeditationordoingsportsandallthatstuff,theyreallyhelpmyconditionaltogether.Ifeltthatsomethinghastobedoneratherthantakethiscreamforever.Ihadtofindtherootcauseofthedisease.Itshouldbesomethingthatisgoingwronginsideofmethatshouldbefixed.

[00:04:30] Theydidn'thaveanswers.Theygaveonlyageneraloverview,atextbookdefinitionofthedisease.Yeah,it'saskincondition.Yougetrashes.Maybeyougetsome...Itgetsred.Maybeitcangetitchysometimes.Yougetthatcreamwhenitgetsitchy.Butnohelp.

[00:05:00] ThethingthatdrovemealsotogetcontrolovermyhealthisthatIalsohavethingsthat,althougheveryonesaysthatthey'renormalthings,Ithoughtthattheyalsohadsomethingtodowithmyproblem.IalsohaveasthmaandIalsohaveproblemswithmykneealwaysinflamed.Ithinkthereweremoreonethingthatwereconnected.Yeahtheyare,theydefinitelyare.

[00:05:30] Theinflammationisahugetriggerpointfor...Icannottellformeviews,formyperspective,isforalmosteverydisease.SinceIstartedmychangesinmydiet,inmystressmanagementandeverything,nokneepain,noasthmabreakouts,andmyskinismuchbetter.Yeahthey'redefinitelyconnectedforme.



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WhenIbeganaddressingmyinflammatoryproblemswithdietforexample,Ifound...althoughIthoughtitwasnormalhavingdigestiveissues.Notgoingproperlytothebathroomsotospeak.Beingonedayconstipated,anotherdayloosestool.Igotridofthemsuperquick.Itwassomethinglikeweeksormonths,notmuchmore.ThatalwayshadbeenwithmeandIthoughtitwascompletelynormal,becauseotherpeopletheydohaveit.Soforme,itwasnormalanditwasoneofthemajorimprovements.

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AlsowhenIhaddustexposure,becauseI'mallergictodust,thatiswhenIhadasthmabreakouts,bigasthmabreakouts.Imusthavemyroomcompletelycleanedeveryday,everyday,otherwiseIwouldhavesomekindofbreakout.SinceIstartedeatingcorrectlyananti-inflammatorydiet,Igotridofthoseasthmabreakouts.Formeitwasnotthateasy.Icouldn'tsleepanentirenight.WhichlotsofnightsitwaslikeIcouldn'tsleep,Icouldn'tbreathe.Itwasveryfrustrating.Alsotakingcorticoidsolution,notaddressingtherootcauseoftheproblem.Thosewerethefirstaspectsthatimproved,butnotonly.

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Afterfollowingastrictanti-inflammatorydietformoremonthsplussunexposureinsummer,myskingotbetterthanever.Formeitwaslikethebeginningofanewlifestyle,butalsothebeginningofapathtohealthasIdescribedit.IstoppedgoingtothedoctorsbecauseIdidn'ttrustthesolutions.Maybeitwasabitofaradicalapproach,butitworkedforme.Itookcompletecontrolofmyhealthinthataspect.

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Tobehonest,youfeelsuperempowered,becauseit'syouthatyouarecontrollingyourhealth.It'snotthatsomeotherpeopleareinchargeofyourhealth.Weliveinakindofsocietywhereyouhavetogiveyourhealthcontroltoothers.Managingyourownhealthviadietorstressmanagement,sport,whatever,givesyouthatkindofpower.

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WhatIwouldliketosaytoyouisthatautoimmunediseasealtogether.Firstofall,it'snotyourfaultsotakethatintoaccount.It'snotyourfault.Second,thatyouhavetotakecontrolofyourhealth.Youcannotgivethecontroltoothers.It'syouthatyouhavetocontrolit.DoyouhavetowatchBetrayal.Thisisgoingtobealifechangerforyou.Expertsaroundtheworldaregoingtohelpyoumanageyourautoimmunedisease.Youcannotmissthis.


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PATIENT CASE STUDY 20 Dr.TomO’Bryan: Well,Sue,thankyousoverymuchforbeingwithustoday.

Patient20: It'sapleasure.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Thankyou.We'vehadachancetotalkforafewmomentsoffcameraandyou'vesharedwithme

yourmedicalrecordsofyourhealthhistoryinthelast15-18years.It'sbeenquiteawhile,hasn'tit?

Patient20: Yes.


Kudostoyouforallyou'vegonethrough.We'dstartbysayingyoutoldmethatyourmothercontractedtuberculosiswhileshewaspregnantwithyou.

Patient20: Yes,itwasduringthewar.Shewasdownintheundergroundandalotofpeoplepickeditup,anditwasbruisingonmylegsthatactuallyalertedthemtothefactthatmymotherhadTB.She,luckily,wascuredandwethoughtnomoreofit.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: At18monthsofageyouwereclearedalso.

Patient20: Iwasfine,yes.[00:01:00]Dr.TomO’Bryan:

Yourlifewentonwithoutanymajorhealthconcernswhatsoever?

Patient20: Noneatall.Iwasveryluckytohavetwodaughters.IhadtohaveCesareansforthem,butapartfromthatnohospitaltripsoranythingelse.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Youhadafewsymptomsabout18to20yearsago.Yourlegstartedtospasmalittle?

Patient20:[00:01:30]

No,Ijusthadalittlespotonmylegatthattime,anditkeptcatchingonmydeskandbleeding,soitwasveryannoying.Didn'tthinkitwasamoleoranythingbutmyGPsaid,"Oh,we'llhavethatoffandit'llbemuchmorecomfortableforyou.TheytookitoffandtheydidsenditforaPathreport.ThePathreportcamebacktomyGP.Irangupfortheresultsandtheysaid,"Oh,italllooksgood,nothingthere."Lifewenton.Thelegwasbetter.Thatwasin1994.


In1994theytoldyouyougotabillofhealth,everythingwasfine,andthenitwassevenyearslater-?

Patient20:[00:02:30]

Sevenyearslater,2001,quiteafunnystory.IwashavingnosebleedsandIwassent,eventually,toanEar,Nose,andThroatspecialistsothathecouldcauterizeit.Heaskedmehowismygeneralhealth.Isaid,"AbsolutelyfinebutIhavehadalumpinmygroin.Wethinkit'spossiblyaninsectbiteandmylymphnodeshavereacted.Hesaid,"Oh,we'llhavealookatthat."Hescannedit,anultrasoundscan,onitandastheultrasoundscannerwasdoingithelookedupandhesaid,"Sorry,whosentyoutome?Wasn'tittheEar,Nose,andThroatspecialist?"Isaid,"Yes."Hesaid,"Howishelookinginyourgroin?"WellIsaid,"Well,hewasbeingverythoroughandaskedmeaboutmygeneralhealth."Thankheavenshedid,becausetheythenspottedthatmylymphnodeswerediseased.


Theyturnedouttobeacancer?



Patient20: Thatwasacancerbuttheydidn'tknowwhat.Ithenwentthroughquitealotofteststoeliminateovarian,bowel,cervical,anythingreallyintheabdomen,andtheycouldfindnothing,andtheywerequiteperplexed.

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Iwassenttoaradiographerandshesaidtome,"I'mnotlettingyououtofhereuntilIhavefoundtheseatofthiscancer."Wewentthrougheverythingandshequestionedme.Ihadaveryboringmedicalhistory,andshesaid,"Youmusthavebeentothehospitalforsomething."Isaid,"Well,Ihadaspotoffmyleg."ShetrackeddownthePathreportfromsevenyearspreviouslyanditdidsay,inthelastsentencethattherewasslightirregularityinsomeofthesurroundingcells,whichIthinkinthisdayandagewouldhavesoundedalarmbells.I'dhavebeenbackinandthey'dhavetakenafurtheramountoffleshaway.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Actually,inthatdayandagealso.

Patient20: Ithinkso,butIdon'tdwellonthat.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Iunderstand.Iunderstand.

Patient20: No,Idoappreciatethat.


Thatreportin1994,andeveninthatdayandagemostpractitionerswouldknowthatit'snotascreamingPathologyreportbutit'ssaying,"There'ssomethingoutofbalancehere.There'ssomethingthat'snotquiteright."Howdiditfeelwhenyourealizedthathadbeenignored?

Patient20:[00:05:00]

Itwasprettydevastating.Ifeltquiteangryandsodidmyfamily,butIthinkmymainconcernwastogetonwithsortingoutmycurrentmedicalproblem,whichwasitwasbythenasecondarydiseaseinmylymphnodes.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: MayIstayhereforamoment?

Patient20: Yes,sure.

Dr.TomO’Bryan:[00:05:30][00:06:00]

Becausethatincidentsetuptheentirehistorythatyou'vehadsince1994whereyou'vehadallofyourintestinestakenout.Youhadoneofyouradrenalglandstakenout.You'vehadcancerinyourkidney,cancerinyourbrain,andtheytookthetumoroutofyourbrain,andyou'vehadmultiplepartsofyourbodythatneededtoberemoved,withtheaccompanyingsurgeries,thehospitalizations,therecoveryfromthesurgeries,thelosttimeandqualityoflife,becausesomeoneignoredareportthatsaid,"We'vegotsomethingoutofbalancehere.It'snotseverebutsomething'soutofbalance."

Patient20:[00:06:30]

Ittaughtmeahugelesson.ThelessonthatItrytotellallmyfriendsandfamily,"Takeabitofresponsibility,"andIalwayshaveacopyofeveryreportsincethatdate,becauseitcouldhavebeenhumanerror;itcouldhavebeensomebodywashavingabusyday,whatever.IfIhadseenthatreport,althoughitwaswritteninmedicalterms,Iwouldhaveunderstoodthatsomethingwasnotquiteright.IhavealwayssincetheninsistedonhavingmyowncopyofeveryPathandscanresultthatcomesback,orreportthatcomesback.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Personally,asaphysician,that'salwaysbeenmypolicytogiveacopyofthereportstothepatients.

Patient20: Well,I'mgladtohearthat.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Hundreds,andhundreds,andhundredsofreportsovertheyears.



Patient20:[00:07:00]

Yes,butitdoesn'thappenveryoften.


Unfortunatelynot.Now,Idon'tunderstandwhynotacceptliability,andthat'snotanacceptablereasoninmyestimation.DoctorsaretheretoofferaservicebuttheyarenotGod,andtheyarenotrepresentativesofGod.MypracticewasinChicagoandtherewasaveryfamouspediatrician,aprofessorofpediatricsatNorthwesternUniversityMedicalSchool,Dr.RobertMendelsohn.HewroteabookcalledConfessionsofaMedicalHereticbackintheearly80s,andhetalkedabouthowmedicineissetupasaninstitutionjustbelowthechurch.

Patient20: Right,yes.[00:08:00]Dr.TomO’Bryan:

Theyhavetheirrobes,theirwhiterobesandtheirinstrumentsthatarealmostlikesacraments.Wecallthemstethoscopesthatweweararoundourneckssothatwehavethisimageofsomethinggreaterthan.Whenourpatientscomeinthepatientsarepositionedtobehumbledandnottochallenge.

Patient20: Sotrue,yes.Yes.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: You'vehadthatexperiencenow.[00:08:30]Patient20:[00:09:00]

Well,yes.Ihadexactlythatfeelingbecauseduringmyworkinglife,IworkedinUniversitieswithsomevery,verycleverpeople,butonday-to-daylevelstheywerenotgods.Theywerethesameaseverybodyelse.Ididn'tdisrespectthembutIneverhadafeelingthatIcouldn'ttalktothem,andit'sanotherthingthatIthinkpatientscertainlyhavetobelievethatthatdoctorsittingacrossthedeskmighthavetheirlifeandwelfareintheirhands,buttheycanbetalkedto.Theycanbequestioned.Ithinkifyou'vegotapieceofpapersometimestotakeawaywithyou,whenthatinitialshockoramountofknowledgeishardtobetakeninit'sverygoodtohavethatpieceofpapertheretoreadoverandunderstandexactlywhat'sbeensaidtoyou.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: It'sadifferentlanguage.

Patient20: Itisandthat'snotagoodthing...[00:09:30]Dr.TomO’Bryan:

Butthey'rescared.Peopleareveryscaredthattheydon'twanttolookliketheydon'tunderstand.

Patient20:[00:10:00]

No,no.Somebodysitsacrossthedeskandintwosentencestellsyouadiagnosisbasedontheresultsofsomehighlytechnicalscanortest,it'salotforanybodytotakein.Youfeelasthoughyou'veonlygotfiveor10minutes,orwhatever.Idothinkthatthatwholescenarioneedstobelookedat,becauseIalsobelievethatifthepatient-

BecauseIalsobelievethatifthepatientunderstandswhatthesituationisfullythatit'seasierforthemtogoalongwiththetreatmentortoadjusttheirlifeaccordinglyandenablethetreatmenttobemoreeffective.


Patient20: Ithinkthewholescenarioisveryimportant.[00:10:30]Dr.TomO’Bryan:

Whenyoulearnthatyouhadcancerandthenyoustarteddoingsomeresearch,andwhatyousaidtomeearlierwasthatyouwantedtostarvethecancer.Canyouexplainwhatyoumeant?

Patient20:

Wellthatcameactuallymuchlaterwhenithaddevelopedintostagefour.Atthatstageasitwasmelanoma,itwasexplainedtomethatithadshoweredthroughmybody.Imaginelotsoflittle



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blackspotsormoleshadshoweredthroughoutmybody.Inotherwords,hadbeencarriedaroundmysystemIthinkbythelymphnodes.

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IjustfeltthatIhadtogalvanizemybodyintofightingthislittlearmyofcancersifyoulike.IhadtheattitudethatIhadtodosomethingpartlybecauseinthosedaystherewerenochemotherapydrugsavailableformelanoma.Therewasnotanoptionofhavingmassesofradiographyorchemotherapy,soIhadtodosomething.Istartedtoreadupaboutwhatcausescancertosuddenlyerupt.Whatisitthattriggersit?I'dbeenperfectlyhealthy.Iwasreallyactive,feltverywell,andyetthiscancerhadspreadandtakenhold.

[00:12:00] Ilookedatmydiet,mylifestylebecauseI'dreadtheeffectofthatonmyimmunesystem.MyimmunesystemwasthekeytogettingridofitandtofightingitIfelt.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Yourealizedthatyourimmunesystemwasnotkeepingup?

Patient20: Yeah,somethinghadhappenedtoit,somethinghadbadlydamagedit.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Whatdoyouthinkthatwas?

Patient20:[00:12:30]

LookingbackIthinkitwasstress.Atthetime,I'veneverbeenapersonthatthoughtIwasparticularlystressed.I'veneverbeendepressed.IsupposeIwasacoper,perhapsacopertoomuchandasmuchasthatIhadn'trealizedthatIwasdoingtoomuch.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: That'strueforthevastmajorityofpeopleinourworldtodaythatthey'recopingwiththeirlivesasopposedtostrivingintheirlives.Weacceptitasnormtobethisstressed.

[00:13:00]Patient20:

Yes.Thepeoplethink"Ohit'sgreatdoingsomuch.Isn'tthatwonderful,"butyouaredoingsomedamageIthinksometimes.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Whenyourealizedthatyouwerecopingwiththestressoflifeandthatmayhavebeentaxingyourimmunesystem.Thatwastaxingit.

Patient20: Yeah.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Whatwasweakeningit?

Patient20: Difficultformetopinpointthatbecauseithadbeenmolderingaway,ifyoulike,oversuchalongperiod.


Whatdidyoudotostrengthenyourimmunesystem?

Patient20: Ohtostrengthenmyimmunesystem.IimmediatelylookedatwhatIwaseating.Ireadhowcancercellsfeedonfatsandsugars.MyattitudewasI'llstarvethem.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: You'llstarvethelittlebuggers.

Patient20: Iwill.Absolutely,yes.ExactlywhatIsaid.I'mnotgoingtoletthemproliferateanymore.


Inyourreadingsandyou'realayperson,you'renotamedicalperson.



Patient20: No.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Whatyoulearnedwasthatcancercellsthriveonsugarandtheystriveonfats.

Patient20: Yes,someverygoodbooksthatwereveryeasytoreadexplaineditinverysimple.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Yes,IthinkthepointthatIwanttobringupisthatyoutookactionnotknowingwhattodo.

Patient20:[00:14:30]

Yes,Ithinkbecausetheycouldn'tgivemechemo.Ithinkiftheyhadsaidtome"We'llgiveyouthischemo,andthenwe'llgiveyouthisradiography.Itwillallbebetter,"Imightnothavedonethat.I'msogladinaway.IfeelIwasluckybecauseIknowthatalotofchemocandodamageoritcansortoutthecancerforawhile,butmightnotbetheanswerinthelongrun.IfeelinthatwayIwasquitelucky.Ihadtodosomethingmyself.

[00:15:00] Iremembersayingtomysurgeon,mycancerspecialist,whowasn'ttheonlysurgeonIwasinvolved,butIremembersayingtohim,"Lookaslongasyoucancutitout,that'sfinebyme.Whateveryoucancutoutthat'sgreat."Hesaid,"Yes,butmightcometothefactwecan'tcutitout."Can'tgowithouteverything.

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Ithought"Well,Igottodosomethingtostopit."ThatIthinkiswhatspurredmeon,soIreadsomebooks.Iunderstoodthechemicalreactionofsomeofthosefoodsinhelpingmyimmunesystemtobeboosted,sothatwasthefirststage.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Whattypeoffoodswasthat?

Patient20:[00:16:00]

Inverysimplisticterms,anythingdarkincolor,darkred,beetroot,blueberries,blackberries,strawberries,blackcurrants,greenvegetables,eventhingslikesweetpotato,whichhasacolorasopposedtowhiteplainpotato.IjustreadeverythingIcouldaboutthenutrientsinthemandwhatgooditwoulddome.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: TherearemanytechnicalthingsIcouldsayaboutallofthosefoods...

Patient20: Absolutely,yes.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: ...buttheymeannothinghere.Whatmeanssomethingiscolors,manycolors,foodsofmanycolors.

[00:16:30]Patient20:

Yes.Tomatoes,redtomatoes,anythinglikethat,butnotartificialcolorobviouslyandnotprocessed,everythingthatwasasnaturalasitcouldandorganic.ImustsaythatIdidreadalotaboutinsecticidesandadditives.Ithought"No,they'renotdoingmybodyanygood,therefore,I'llcutthemout."

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Youareawomanwhowasdiagnosedwithstagefourcancer.Theyhavetakenoutabraintumor.[00:17:00]Patient20:

Thefirstthingwas,yes...

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Thefirstthingwasthebraintumor.

Patient20: Becausethatwasbig.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Thentheadrenal.



Patient20: InOctober,IhadthebraintumorremovedandinNovemberIhadmyadrenalglandremovedandtheendofDecemberIhadgammaknifetreatmentforthetumorsthatweretoodeepinmybraintobeoperatedonverysuccessfully,allcleared.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Thenyouhadpartofyourintestinestakenout.

Patient20:[00:17:30]

Yes,thefollowingyearIhadanotherboutofgammaknifejustfortheoddtumorthatwasthere.ThenthefollowingyearIsuddenlydevelopedtremendousintestinalproblems,andthatIhadsevensectionsofmysmallintestineremoved.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Thishadbeprogressing?

Patient20: Yeah.Theywerestillthere.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Eventhoughyouwerefeelingalittlebetter.

Patient20:[00:18:00]

Ionlyhadspasmsinmyarmsandlegsbecauseofthebraintumors.Ihadn'tnoticedanyproblembecauseoftheadrenalglandtumor.Theintestinesuddenlyblewupandwasreallybad.IwassogladtohaveasmuchofitremovedasIdid.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Youdidn'tnoticethattheintestineshadsometumorsinthere.

Patient20: No,itwasverysudden.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Theyweresymptomfree?

Patient20: Yeah.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Therewasthisperiodwhereyouwerenotsufferingsubstantially,noticinganythingsaying"Whereisthiscomingfrom?"

Patient20: No.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Thecancerwasprogressing?[00:18:30]Patient20:

Yes.AtthesametimeobviouslyIwastryingtofollowthisfairlystrictdietandbecompletelystressfreetotheextremeofdoingeverythingniceIcould.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Youwereeatingaswhatwerefertoassqueakycleanasyoucould.

Patient20: Yeah.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Youweretryingtobeasstressfreeasyoucould.Youreduceagreatdealofstressfromyourlife,butthecancerwasprogressing.

Patient20: Yes.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Unknown.[00:19:00]Patient20:

Unknown.Iwasbeingscammed.VeryregularlyIhadPETscanseverythreemonthsandMRIsonmybrainbecauseIthinktheywereanticipatingthatonceithadshoweredtherewouldprobablybesomefurthersights.



Dr.TomO’Bryan: Mostcommonlyitdoes.

Patient20: Yes.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Itwasn'tidentified.Itwasn'tseen.

Patient20: No,IjustliterallyhadsicknessanddiarrheaforacoupleofweekseventhoughIdidn'tthink,"OhIgotcancerinmyintestines,"butthat'swhatitwas.


Thenaboutsixyearsagoafterpartofyourintestineswereremoved,youwereintroducedtotheconceptofLowDoseNaltrexone.

Patient20:[00:20:00]

No,alittlebitafterthatbecauseaftertheintestinesthefollowingyear,Ihadlungtumorsrightfromthe‘wordgo’in2008whenithadbeeninmybrain.Theywerelowgrade.Theyweren'ttoobotheredaboutthem.Theywerejustmonitoringthem,butoneofthemhadgrowntoimpacttheaorticarcharoundthatarea.Theydecidedthatitshouldberemoved.Theyremovedthatin

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MarchandtheninAprilIhadtohavetherightkidneyremovedbecausetherewascancerinit.AtthatstageIthinkmyconsultantthoughtwe'rerunningoutofpartsherewegottadosomething.Thereweresometrialsbeingstartedonimmunodrugstargetedatmelanomabecausetherehadnotbeenanythingpreviously.Heputmeintouchwithanoncologistwhocouldgetmeontoatrial.AndthatoncologistputmeontovitaminD3becausehefeltthatthatwasverymuchlackinginmydietandLDN,LowDoseNaltrexone.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: WiththeelevationofyourvitaminD3levelsandwithtakingLowDoseNaltrexonewhathastheresultbeen?

[00:21:00]Patient20:

I'vebeenclearforfiveyears.FiveyearsinSeptember.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Fiveyears...Forthelastfiveyearsthecancerprogressionsthatweregoingthroughoutyourbodyhavestopped.

Patient20: They'vestopped.Theonesinmylungs,thetumorinmylungshavedisappeared.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: They'vedisappeared.

Patient20: Yes.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Completelydisappeared.

Patient20: Yes.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Withoutchemotherapy.

Patient20: Yes.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: Withoutradiation.

Patient20: Yes.

Dr.TomO’Bryan: ByusingLowDoseNaltrexone.

Patient20: Yes.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: AlittlevitaminD.



Patient20: Yes.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Andmakingsureyourdietissqueakyclean.[00:21:30]Patient20:

Yes.NotassqueakycleanasitwasbecauseIfeltthatIneeded...IthinkyoucangettoaplateauandeatveryeasilyandnormallywithallthosefoodsinitbutIthinkinitiallyitwasalmostlikedetoxingmybody.


Itwasdetoxingyourbody.That'sexactlyright.Exactlyright.There'sagreatdealofresistanceinthetraditionalmedicalworldtoLowDoseNaltrexone.Tellme.

Patient20: Notonlymyself...IhaveawonderfulGPpractice.Ican'tspeaktoohighlyofthem.ItookthemalltheinformationaboutLowDoseNaltrexoneandIreallythoughtthattheywouldbequitehappytoprescribeitformebuttheyweren't.It'snotacceptedbyNICE...Theywouldn'tformyindicationsotheywouldn'tprescribeit.


Yourdoctors,whoyouhavegreatrespectfor,yourgeneralpractitioners,youbroughtthemtheinformationandtheresultswerehowyouwere...yourcancerswereprogressing.

Patient20: Yes.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: You'vehadanumberofsurgeries.YousaidyouknowI'veheardofthis...

Patient20: Yes.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Itwasrecommendedbytheoncologistwouldyouprescribethis.Theysaidnotheywouldn'tbecauseitwasn'trecommendedbytheNICEguidelines.

Patient20: Formelanomacancer.[00:23:00]Dr.TomO'Bryan:

Formelanoma.AlthoughthesideeffectsforLowDoseNaltrexonearepracticallyunknown.Therearenone.Buttheywouldn'tdoitforyou.

Patient20: Nope.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Andhowdidthatfeel?

Patient20:[00:23:30]

Iwascross.IwasverycrossbecauseallthereadingI'ddone...It'scompletelynon-toxic.Icanunderstandreluctanceofgivingsomebodyadrugthat'snotacceptedifthere'savalidreasonandeveninhighdosesit’sneverbeenprovedtobetoxicoranythinglikethat.Iwasgoingtobetakingsuchasmalldoseandit'ssocheap.It'snotasIwasaskingforanexpensivedrug.Iwascrossbutluckilyit'sadrugIcouldaffordandIcouldgetitelsewhere.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: ForourAmericanaudience...

Patient20: Yes...

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Crossed.Whatdoescrossedmean?

Patient20: Angry.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Angry?



Patient20:[00:24:00]

Okay.Iagree,yessorry.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: You'realovelyBritishlady.Beingcrossed...

Patient20: Nocross.Sorry.Justcross.Angryandyes....

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Beingangry.

Patient20: Yes.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Whatdidyoudowiththatanger?

Patient20: IjustputittoonesidebecauseIdon'twantanystress.Sorry,it'sabsolutely...

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Youchangedyourpriorities.[00:24:30]Patient20:[00:25:00]

Absolutely,choosemypriority.Iwasn'tgoingtostartanongoingbattlethere.If,however,Ihadnotbeenabletogetitonprescriptionfrommyoncologistmighthavebeenadifferentmatter.Therearethingsthatyouwanttofightforandthatwould'vemattered.However,becauseitisavailablemyattitudehasbeenspreadtheword.Ihavespreadthewordtosomanypeople.NotonlycounselpatientsbutpeoplewithMSandParkinson's.Peopleverycloseanddeartome.AndIwouldn'tdothatifitwasofanyrisktothem.It'sadifferentthingdoingitwithyourownbodyifyou'redesperatebutyou'renotgoingtosaytofamilyandfriendsohyesyoumusttakethis.Imeanyoujust...

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Ifthere'ssomething...

Patient20: Yeah.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: ...orpotentialtypesofside-effects.

Patient20:[00:25:30]

Yeah.Ihaveabsolutelynoqualmswhatsoever.LastweektherewerethreepeopleIspoketoaboutit.Theweekbeforeprobablytwopeople.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: You'vetakenyourtimetodayonaSunday,usuallyafamilyday,tocomeheretospeakwithusandtotelltheworld.Whatdoyouwanttotelltheworld?

Patient20:[00:26:00][00:26:30][00:27:00]

IwanttheworldtoknowthatLowDoseNaltrexonehasprobablyit'sgivenmeatleastfiveverypreciousyearsandIhopeseveralotherpeople.Icannotunderstandwhywecannotnowhaveitacceptedasnotonlyatreatmentbutapreventativedrug,amaintenancedrugforpeoplewhohavethesediseaseswhicharebasedonafailureoftheimmunesystem.Theimmunesystemisthebasistomyreasoningofallourgoodhealth.IfwecanprotectthatandbuildthatwiththehelpoflowdoseNaltrexone--whichtomehasaverylogicalmechanism--Ican'tunderstandwhywecan'tgeteverybodytoacceptthat.IwillcontinuetotakeitandspreadthewordandworkwithwhoeveristryingtogettheacceptanceIthinkofthegeneralmedicalprofessionofthisdrug.Thishasbeenaroundforsolong.IcannotbelievethatifIwasaheroinaddictIwouldbehandeditonaplatebutbecauseIhavecancerorMSIhavetofightforit.That'ssomethingIfeelverystronglyabout.


Myquestiontoyouishowdoesitmakeyoufeelthatthistreatmentprotocolthatisnon-toxic,safe,inexpensive...Noone'smakingprofitsonthis.Nooneismakinghugeprofitssoit'snotbeingmarketed,encouragedthroughthemedicalsocieties.Howdoesitmakeyoufeeltoknowthatyourgrandchildrenwouldhavedifficultyaccessingthisproductiftheyneededit.



Patient20:[00:28:30]

IfeelextremelyfrustratedbecauseIhavealotoffriendswhonotonlyhavecancerbutotherveryseriousindicationsandthey'retotallyunawareofthis.Nomatterhowmuchreadingthey'vedonetheymighthavemissedLDN.CertainlytheirGPisnevergoingtosuggestittothem.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Yes.[00:29:00]Patient20:

That'ssimplybecauseithasn'tbeentestedspecificallyforalltheseindicationswhichwouldcostanabsolutefortune.Iknowwearetryingtodothatforsomeofthecancersbutinthemeantimepeopleareliterallydying.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Yes.

Patient20:[00:29:30][00:30:00][00:30:30]

Ihave...evenwithpeoplewhohavebeenputonaregimeofchemoorradiographyI'vestilltalkedtothemaboutLDNbecausedietisgood,anti-stresslevelisgoodforyourimmunesystembutsometimesyoujustneedthattrigger.AmongstotherthingsLDNisproventotriggeryourimmunesystem.It'sasimplemechanism.Icanunderstandit.Icanexplainittootherpeople.Whycan'tmyGPtakethatonboardandunderstanditandforacostofliterallyapoundadayprescribethatandlookatwhathappens.Okay,itmightnotworkinonehundredpercent(100%)ofcases,lotsofotherinfluencesmightcomein,butthenumberofpeoplewhoIpersonallyknowwhohaveimproved...Ihavefriendswhohadstagefourcancer.Differenttypesofcancer,Breast,lung,bowel...Stagefour,thatspreadtootherpartsofthebody.Theyarenowclear.Theonlythingthatdifferentiatesthemfromotherpeopleisthatthey'vestartedtotakeLDNandthey'veprobablytakenitfortwoyears.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Reversingstagefourcancers.

Patient20: Reversingstagefourcancers!

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Remarkable.[00:31:00]Patient20:

PeoplethinkI'mjustturningafairystory.It'sveryhardtothinkthatthere'sanyotherreason.Forit.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Yes.

Patient20:[00:31:30][00:32:00]

SorryI'moverjoyedthatyou'redoingthisandI'msopleasedthatwecanusepeopleintheUKaswell.TheLDNtrustintheUKhasbeenofextremehelptomeandtoalotofmyfriends.Iwilldoanythingtospreadtheword.Thelackofawarenessofitwithinthemedicalprofessionisamazing.Ican'tgoarounddoctorsurgeriesandshoutatthembutIwouldifIcould.WhatIdodoisIgivealltheinformationthatIcantoanybodythatIknowthatIthinkcouldbenefitfromit.Ithinkthatifyourworkcanbesomehowputouttoeverybodywhowouldbeinterestedinanyofthecomplaintsorindicationsthatit'srecommendedfor,somuchthebetter.AllthesocietiesthatsupportthosepeopleaswellastheLDNtrustitself.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Weknowthatcancersareanimmunefailure.

Patient20: Yep.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Ourimmunesystemisheretoprotectus.It'sthearmedforcesinourbody.

Patient20: Absolutely.Dr.TomO'Bryan:[00:32:30]

ThetitleofthisdocuseriesisBetrayal.Whyisn'tourprotectorprotectingus?Whyisn'tourimmunesystemprotectingusandallofthebackgroundinformationforpeopletounderstandon



that.Alsothebetrayalofourmedicalsystem.

Patient20: Yeah.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: WhyisitthatourGPswillnotlearnsimplethings,orwhentheyhearofthemtheywon'tdiveintoitbecauseit'soutsidethenorm.

[00:33:00]Patient20:

Yes.Ithinkthebetrayalisverytrue.Areweresponsibleforourimmunesystembeingdamaged.Probablybecausewedon'treallyunderstandhowtoprotectit.Ithinkthat'savitalareaofeducationthatwe'relackingasageneralthing.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Wedon'tunderstandhowwehavesuppressedorwornoutourimmunesystems.

Patient20: No.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: ByCoca-Colaand...

Patient20: Yes.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: ...McDonald’s,andthefastfoodindustryandjusthowwe'renotreallytakingcareofourbodies.[00:33:30]Patient20:

That'sright.Ithinkwiththeactualmedicalprofessionthereareprobablydifferencesfromcountrytocountry.WeareverymuchgovernedbyNICEhere...IthinktheFDAinAmerica.Asyousaidrightatthebeginningwecanquestionnow.Wecanaddourvoicetothesepeople...

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Yes.[00:34:00]Patient20:

...WhoIthinkhaveinthebestpracticehavefollowedtheirmedicalschool,they'vehadtheireducation,andthisdidn'tcomeintoit.Onecansympathizebutonecanstillhaveavoice.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Onecansympathizethattheyweren'teducatedonit,butonecanquestionwhywon'ttheyexplore,whyaretheyclosed.

Patient20: Yes.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: That'swherethebetrayalcomes.

Patient20: Yes.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Howdoesthatfeeltoyou?[00:34:30]Patient20:[00:35:00][00:35:30]

IfeelassomebodywhoIthinkhasgotavoice,andhasfoughtback,quitelucky.Whatworriesmeareallthepeoplewhoareunawareandwhoarestilltoofrightenedtoquestionthetreatmentortoquestiontheirdoctorsortomakethemaware.Toevensaytothemwhatabout?IfeelinsomerespectsluckybutveryworriedandIdoworryforalotofmypeoplethatIknow,thattheydon'tknow.It'sahugebattlethatwehavetofighttogetthatacrossbecauseyouhaven'tgotthetimeintheworld.You'reimmunesystem...okay,niceifyoucanbuildthatbackup,butforalotofpeopletheyneedtherightdrugnow.Notinsixmonthstimeortwelvemonthstime,oreventwoyearstime.Theyneeditnow.Lookingatthedrugsthatarecomingalong,they'reactuallymimickingwhatLDNisdoingasfarasIunderstand,fromalayperson'sattitude,butthey'remanufactured.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Yesandthey'remuchmoreexpensive.



Patient20: Muchmoreexpensive.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Fivehundred,threethousandtimesmoreexpensive.

Patient20: Theyhavefarmoresideeffectsthanyou'llevergetwithLDN.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Yes.

Patient20:[00:36:00][00:36:30]

BestsideeffectofLDNisgreatdreams.IhopepeoplewilllookatmeandseethatI'vebeenonquitealongjourneyandI'maveryhappypersonnow.Ihavestagefourcancer.IknowI'llalwayshavestagefourcancer,butIfoundLDN.Iwasveryluckytohaveadoctorwhoprescribeditforme.I'vebeenwell-monitored,andI'mnowatthispointintimeclearofcancer.IwilldoeverythingIcantohelpotherpeopletofindLDNandtobelieveinhowmuchithashelpedmeandalotofmyfriends.

[00:37:00]

I'vehadnoside-effects.Ihaveacancerthatcoulddeteriorateinthefuture,butI'vehadfiveyearsofveryhappycancer-freelife.InordertospreadthatwordIwanteverybodytoinvestigate.ReadeverythingyoucanaboutLDN.It'sallthere,it'sveryclear,andit'sveryeasytounderstand.Nothingcomplicated.Nohighfalutinmedicalterms,buttheresultsIthinkspeakforthemselves.Whynotjusttryitbecauseit'snotgoingtodoyouanyharmatall.

[00:37:30][00:38:00]

Hopefullyyouwillfindthisdocumentaryseriesanditwillbesoworthwatchingbecausenotonlymystorybutthestoryfromothermedicsandtheirexperienceoftheirpatients.AverywiderangeofpatientsandtheirstoriesIhopewillhelpyoutounderstandLowDoseNaltrexoneandwhatitcandoforpeople.IhopeeveryonewillbeabletowatchthisdocumentaryBetrayalabouttheautoimmunesystemandthebetrayalofbothourbodiesandthemedicalprofessioninpreservingourimmunesystem.Ithinkyouwillfinditveryhelpful.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Well,Sue,thankyousoverymuchforcomingtodayandforsharingyourpersonalstoryandthedramaticresultsyou'vehad.Thankyousomuch.

Patient20: Thankyouforcomingandthankyoufordoingthiswonderfuldocumentary.Ihopeitreachesmanypeople.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Thankyou.

Patient20: Thankyou.


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PATIENT CASE STUDY 21 Patient’sMom:[00:00:30]

SoMariawasbornwithherthyroidworkinglotworsethannormal,sothatmeantthatshehadtobetreatedwhenshewas12daysolduntilnow.Shehastopasscontrols.Wemakebloodtestsconstantly.Maybetwoyearsandahalfagoshebegantothrownotnormallevelsintheliverarea.Sookay,webegantogofartherandfartherandfarther,andfinallyshewasdiagnosedofautoimmunehepatitis.Sosincethenwehavebeenlookingforsomesolutions,andatleastwehavefoundsomethingthatworks.

[00:01:00][00:01:30]

Almostoneyearandahalfwemadethedecisiontogoandvisitonepersonthatisspecialist,nutritionistandrelateitwithautoimmunediseaseswhichisMontseReus,andworkingwithherwehadtheopportunitytochangeMaria'sdiet.Nowshefeelsmuchbetter,andwehavekeepedundercontroluntiltodaytheillness.

Patient21: BeforeIfeltmytummyhurtedalot.NowwhenIstartedthedietIstartedfeelingbetter,andnowmytummydoesn'thurtanymore.

Patient’sMom:[00:02:00]

Atleastwehaveseenlikefivedifferentdoctors,includingherpediatrician,whichistheonlyonewhohastakeseriouslythefoodthing.Ingeneraltheysaythatfoodwasnotrelatedwiththeillness,butIcan'tunderstandthatit'snotrelatedwiththeillnessbecauseifit'ssomethingautoimmuneit'syourbodywhoisfightingagainstyou.

[00:02:30]

WhatIthoughtwasthatfoodcanmakeyoufeelbetter.That'swhatIthought.Maybeit'snotrelatedwiththeillness,orit'snotacauseoftheillness,butcertainlycanhelpyoutofeelbetter.Becausewewerereadingsomuchliteracyabouthowglutencouldinfluencethesesortofillnesses.Formeitwas,let'ssayfunny,thattheydidn'tpayanyattentionoreventhey’dtreatyoualittlebitlikeyou’recrazy.So,that'sfrustrating.Atleastit’sfrustrating.

[00:03:00][00:03:30]

Iwanttosaythatallthedoctorsareallthesame,butsometimestheythinkliketheyhavethetruth.Generallyinourliveswewanttobeopen-mindedaboutmanythingsandwewanttobeopentoheardifferentstoriesordifferentthings,andIalsoalwaysencouragemychildrentojustbeopentodifferentoptionandpaths,becauseyouneverknowwhatcanworkforyou.Havingthissortofreactionlike"Nono,it'snotrelated.Shecaneateverythingshewants"...

[00:04:00][00:04:30]

Weusedtoeatnormallybeforeandweusedtothinkweeatinahealthyway,andinfactIthinkwedid.Weusedtoeatalotofvegetables,weusedtoeatalotoffish.It'snotthatwejustchangedrecently.Weusedtodowell,butnowwedobetter,andthat'sthekey.Justbychangingafewthingsthatwedidn'tknowthatcouldbethereason,nowweallfeelbetter.Soformethat'sagoodthing,thatit'seasytodoit,andtheydidn'tjustpayattentiontothatoption.Ithinkthatthatcanmakeolderpeoplethatisbeenintheprocesswhentheydon'tfeeltheyareencouraged.Theyalsodon'thavethestrengthorthepowertomakethechange.Sometimesyouneedsomebodywhotellsyou"Okay,let'stry.Itcouldwork."

Patient21:[00:05:00][00:05:30][00:06:00]

Ifeltreallydifferent.IfeltlikeIwasstrangeinmyclass.Ijustdidn'tfeelalwayscomfortable.Idon'tknowhowtoexplainit,Ijustdidn'tfeellikeIwaslikethem.TheyalwayshelpmeinallIneed.IfIhaveaproblemtheyhelpmeinit.Forexample,thefood,theyjustdiditforme.Itmakesmefeelreally...Idon'tknowhowtoexplainit.Ijustlikealothowtheyhelpme.TheyhelpmealotinallIneed,andnowIfeelbetter.IfeelmorecomfortablenowwhenIstartedthisdiet.NowIdon'tthinkI'msodifferentaseverybody.Iloveyoualotmom.

Patient’sMom: Iloveyoutoo.



[00:06:30]

Ithinkthatwhenkids,theyaresickandtheyhavetogotohospitals,andtheyhavetodobloodtests,andtheyseeotherkidsthatarelet'ssayworsethanthem,sincetheyarebetterlaterthisreallymakesadifferenceonthem,becausetheyseetherearethingshappeningaroundandit'snotthe[inaudible00:06:30],therearethingshappening.

[00:07:00]

Mariahasbeenseeingmanythings.Sometimesshehasfeltsadwhenwehavegonetoseethedoctorsbecauseshehasheardwhatwasgoingonandthosewerebigwordsforher,sometimesnotunderstandingeverything,butshehasmadealwaysnormallife.Nothinghasbeendifferentforherintermsoffriendsorschoolorwhatever,andthefamilywillhavealwaystrytomakehealthier...Normal,sheisnormal,andnothingiswrong.It'sjustaquestionofherdiet.

[00:07:30]

It'struethatit'sdifficultingeneralwhenyoufollowcertainhabitsintermsoffood.It'sdifficulttogotorestaurants,it'sdifficulttogotobirthdayparties,butwehavesorteditout.Nowwehaveourfoodinherboxandwewillbringit,orwegotorestaurantsandweaskthemtocooksomethingspecialforherandtheyareopen,andeverydaymorerestaurantsareopentomakethingsdifferent,soit'schanging.

[00:08:00][00:08:30]

WhatI'dliketosaytoyouisthatsometimesthereissomethinginyourbodythatdoesn'tworks,asinMaria.Herliverisnotworking,sofoodhasdefinitelyhelphertofeelhealthier,let'ssay,andhashelphertokeepthediseaseundercontrol.Maybethefoodisnottheroot,oreatingbadlyisnotthecauseofhisillnesses,becauseshewasbornlikethis,let'ssay.Butwhatdefinitelyhasmakethechangehasbeenadoptingdifferentpatternsordifferenthabitsinfood,andthishavehelphertofeelhealthier,andfeelstronger,andnotummyacheanymore,andkeepingintermsofresults,keepingtheillnessjustcontrol.

[00:09:00]

Iwouldliketosaytopeoplethatthereisahopeforfeelingyoubetter,thatfoodcanhelpyoutochangewhatiswronginsideyouandcancureyou,soatleastyoucantryit.Ithinkthatthishavetobetried.

Patient21:[00:09:30]

SoIhadabloodtest,andifthatbloodtestwentrightIwouldn'tgetthemedication,andifitwentwrongIwouldhavetogetthemedication.SoIwassosad,Iwantedtobegood.Iwaswaitingfortheresults,IstartedtopraytomyGodforittobegood,fortheresultstobeallfine,soIcouldn'tneedthemedicine.Theywerebetter,sothenthedoctorstoldustocontinuewiththedietandseewhathappens.

[00:10:00] WhatIwanttosaytoyouisthatalwaysbepositiveandtrydifferentthings,liketrydifferentfoodstogethealthier,inphysicallyandmentally,andtotrydifferentthingsthatyounormallydo.Whenyoutrydifferentthingsandyouwillfindonethatmakesyoufeelbetter.


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PATIENT CASE STUDY 22 Patient22: [00:00:30]

SometimesIaskedbuttheyansweredlikefoodhasnothingtodowiththis.I'msupposedtobewithagreatgroupofdoctors,ateamofdoctorsthatarethere.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Neurologists?

Patient22: Neurologistsbuttheyin[foreignlanguage00:00:42].

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Neuroimmunology.

Patient22: [00:01:00]

Yeah,andtheyaresupposedtobelikeoneofthebestteamsinEurope.Foodhasnothingtodowithmydisease.That'swhattheytellme.Itfeelsweirdbecausewhenyou'reatthedoctor's,youfeellikeafoolbecauseyouknowyouhavesomeinformationbutyoucan'ttellyourdoctorbecausehe'ssupposedtoknowbetterthanyou.It'sverydifficultbecauseit'slikeimportancia.Howdoyousayimportancia?

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Powerless. [00:01:30] Patient22: [00:02:00] [00:02:30]

Youfeelpowerlesswhenyou'reatthedoctor's.Youfeelfoolishandpowerless.It'sdifficult.It'sverydifficult.Iwasinthehandsofmydoctorandmydisease.Ihadnochoicebutwhenyoustartseeingthatyoudohaveachoice,itdoesn'tfitinthesystemwithyourdoctorandyourmedication.It'sverydifficult.It'sscary.It'salsoscarythiswaybecauseyoudon'tknowifyou'redoingitwellornot.Youdon'thavesomeonetotalkto.I'vebeenfeelingalongtimelikeafool,thinkingthatIwillgetworsebecauseI'mnotusingmymedication.I'mthinkingthatifIdon'teatgluten,Iwillgetbetter.Peoplemakesyoufeellikeyou'reanidiotbutovertimeyouseethatyougetbetter,yougetresults.Thatmakesyoustronger.

Dr.TomO'Bryan: Yes. [00:03:00] Patient22:

AlthoughIcan'ttalktomydoctoraboutthis.It'sverysadbutwhat'simportanthereisthatI'mfeelingbetter,Ithink.


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PATIENT CASE STUDY 23 Patient23: Iprobablywouldlove,Iwouldlovetogetintocoachinghigh-levelshowslikeIusedtodofor

gymnastics.

JonathanOtto: Cool.Tellmeaboutsomeofthemostexcitingthingsyougottodoinyourlife.

Patient23:[00:00:30]

Well,Iworkedthelast12yearsinhigh-levelacrobaticshows,CirqueduSoleil,FrancoDragone,indifferentlevelsofhighacrobaticshowsofthenature.

JonathanOtto: Awesome.Didyouenjoyit?

Patient23:[00:01:00]

Mm-hmm(affirmative),ohyeah.ItouredtheworldwithAlegriaofCirqueduSoleil,andIgottoseemanydifferentculturesandcitiesandpeopleandtheexperiencesthatyougetfromthat.Ididthatatayoungagetooandgrewanddevelopedandwasveryexposed.Imaturedveryfast,andIhadalotoffun,andthat'ssomething...Itwasactuallyadreamtolivesomethinglikethat,soyeah,it'sanopportunityofalifetime.Itwasemotionalhighallthetimebecauseitwasjustsomuchfun.

JonathanOtto: Whatwastheconditionyoufaced,andhowdidthataffectyourcareerandambitions?

Patient23:[00:01:30][00:02:00]

Ithinkmyconditionwasacollaborationofmanythingsbecauseinmylastshow,IwasworkingandlivinginChinadoingoneofmyacrobaticshowsandIhadatraumaticbraininjurybecauseIhadtwoconcussions,twofallsbacktoback20daysapart.IguessIstartedhavingautoimmunereactionswhichIdidn'tknowabout.Ithoughtbeingahigh-levelathletemywholelife,IthoughtIatehealthy,IthoughtIwasokay,buthereIfindout,onceIfoundoutandwenttoOsborneandhedidalotoftestsandstufflikethat,andIhadalotofautoimmune,andIhadn'tevenknownwhatthatmeantatfirst.Heexplainedstuff.Alsobeinginmassagetherapy,Igottounderstandwhatautoimmunemeantandautoimmunediseases.

[00:02:30]

Alsofromthataccident,Istartedgettingpost-traumaticepilepsyseizures.Mybloodworkcameback,andDr.Osbornewas,like,"Oh,wait,thisiswhyyou'rehavingthoseseizures.Youhavenutritionaldropsthatisaperfectstormforseizures."Soyeah,justmygeneralhealthwasdepletingafterthataccident.Idon'tknow,withconcussionsandstuff,everybodyissodifferent,butminewassoseverebecauseIhadtwobacktoback.AsthebrainkeptswellingandIhadallthesesymptomsandmonthsandyearspassed,thedoctorsdidn'tknowwhattotellmebecausenotmuchisknownaboutconcussions.Nowthey'restartingtoknowmorethatrestandthatyoushouldn'tbeinthathighlevelofactivityforalongtimeuntilyourbrainheals.

[00:03:00][00:03:30]

Osbornetoldmeyourbraintissueandspinalcordtissueisthelongesttissuestohealinyourbody,andIneverknewthat.Itwasinterestingtoseehowthataffectedahigh-levelathlete,andittookmedowntonotbeabletodoanythingforthefirsttimeinmylife.Itwasdevastating.It'salmostlikeeverythingthatyouknewandwhatyourlifeisabout,it'slikewakingupandeverythingisdifferent.Youcan'tgobacktowhatyoulovetodo.Youdon'tfunctionthesame.Icouldn'tdriveforthefirstfivemonthsbecauseIwashavingseizure-likeepisodes.Ihadslurredspeech.Icouldn'tevenfunctionasanormalperson.

[00:04:00]

Tohaveeverythingwipedcleanofwhatyouknowaboutyournormallifeandwhatyoulovethatyoujusttakeforgrantedandyoutakeforgrantedthatwecanwalkandtalkanddothesenormalthings,andthenwhenit'swipedclean,it'slike,"WillIevergetthatback?"Youstarttoworry.Youstartto...Iliterallyfreakedout,like,"Isthisgonnabemynewlife?AmIgonnabedisabledalmost?"AndIfeltlikeIdidn'thaveanyhope.Iwokeupeverydaywishing,Ihatetosayit,butIwishedthatIdiedinthataccident,backthen,becauseitwasjustsotraumatictodealwithdayin



[00:04:30]

anddayoutandhavesomethingthatyoulovetodo,gotoworkandtravel,Idon'tknow,justwipedcleaninaflashofaneye,inablinkofaneye.

[00:05:00]

No,itwasn'tamistake.Accidentisanaccident.Withwhatwedointheshows,Imeanit'sahigh-risktypeofcareer,andyouknowthatthat'sboundtohappenanditcanhappenandthat'swhatyousignedupfor.Unfortunately,Imeanthere'salwaysthoserisksinvolvedwhenyou'redoingsomethinghigh-caliberlikethatandontheseapparatusesthatcankillyouifyoudon'tpracticeandhandleitrightandhaverespectforwhatyou'redoingandforyourteammatesthatyou'reworkingwithtoobecauseyounotonlyputyourselfinjeopardybutotherpeopleinjeopardy.

[00:05:30]

Myaccident,Ifellandmykneesflewintomyfaceandslitmyheadopensixstitchesandafracturednose,andtheyjustdidn'tcatchit.Theydidn'tcatchmyfirstconcussionbecauseIdidn'thavesymptomsuntiltwodayslater.ItwasonaSundaytoo,soIgotstitchedupandtheysentmehome.Thentwoweeksgoby,takethestitchingout,Ifeelgood.Ineverhaddoctorlookatmyheadandstufflikethat,andIwastooconcussedtoknowthatsomethingwaswrong.

[00:06:00][00:06:30]

Thentheythrewmebackintotheshows,andIwasstilldizzyandhavinglotsofsymptoms.Whenmyheartrategotup,Igotmoresymptoms,andtheyjustbrusheditoff.Theytoldmeitwasprobablybecauseofthescubadivingthatwedidintheshowandnottodivesodeep.ThenthenextthingIknow,Ican'tdomytrick.I'dgototakeofftheapparatusandmybodydidn'twork,andIjustfaceplantedintothewater30feetintheair,andasecondfull-blownconcussionhappened.It'sanaccident.Ican'tsayitwasmyfault.Itwasjustthingshappen,andjustlikeacaraccident,sometimesbadthingshappenandyouhavetogowiththeflowbecausethereisnothingyoucandotoreversewhathappened.

[00:07:00][00:07:30]

Butyeah,IdoreplayitinmyheadbecauselikeIsaid,itwassomethingIlovedanditwastakenaway,andIdidn'thavethechoicetobedonewithwhatIwasdoing.Godblessedmewithsuchabeautifultalentandagreatjobtouseit,anditceasedreallyfast.IdididentifymyselfwithwhatIdid,andIthinkanybody,whencaughtupinthat,ImeanIstartedat19withtheshow.Iwasveryyoung,anditwasveryexciting.Ijustwantedtosuckitallinandbecomejustthat.Itookalotofactingclassesanddancingclassesandmovementclassesandallthisstuff,andIwasdevelopingmygymnasticsbackgroundwithmoreandjustgainingmoreknowledgeandskillandworkingwithpeoplethatalreadywereveryprofessionalinwhatIdid.Ijust...Man,itchangedmywholelifeinstantlybecauseIwaslivingadream.

[00:08:00]

GymnastsgrowupandtheywanttogotoOlympicsortheywanttodothis,andpeopleknewCirqueduSoleilandshowslikethat,andIwasgettingtheopportunity,soyeah,IidentifiedinmyselfnotinabadwaybutjustbecauseIloveditsomuch.Whenyouhaveapassionforsomethingandyouloveitsomuch,it'shardnottoidentifythatthatisme.Youhavetobecomelikethattoperformyourbestbecauseyou'reinthecharacter.You'reinthemoment.You'reintheshow.You'rewrappedinwithyourteammates.Youhavetomakeashowwork100%everynight.Intherealworld,thatdoesn'twork,butyouhavetomakepeoplebelievethat.

[00:08:30][00:09:00]

It'skindofbeinganactor,kindofmakemeact,playingthatroleallthetime,whetherIwasdoingashoworinmynormallifebecauseshowbiziskindofalwaysnot,isnotreality,inaway,becauseyou'retravelingtheworld.Imeanwhatpeople,Imeantheygotowork,theycomehome,theygotobed,andtheydoitalloveragaininanormaljob.Buthere,you'retravelingtheworldandyou'remeetingnewpeopleandcultures.Itwaseasyformetoswitchofffromwhatreallifewas.Purposely,Ididn'tdoit,butIguesswhatI'mtryingtosayisyeah,IbecameverymaterialisticforwhatIdid.Whenthataccidenthappenedanditbroughtmedowntozero,likeyousaid,IrealizedhowmuchIlostofjustme,Kasey.IknowIlostwhoIwasinthisworldandwhoGodwascallingmetobeinthisworld.



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It'snotabadthing.Ithinkthingslikethathappentochallengeus,makeusgrow,andtobecomestrongerbecauseit'swhenwe'rebrokendowntoourweakestthatwecanbeourstrongest.That'sexactlywhatitwas,andIthinkthat'swhyIenduphavingsuchseveretraumabutallthedoctorsareamazedhowwellIwashealing.ButyettheywereperplexedbecauseIwouldsayIwashavingtheseattacksandIwasn'tgettingbetter,andthey're,like,"Thescansareclear,"sotheydidn'tunderstandthoughIwassobadbutthenIwassogoodspirituallyandtryingtopushforwardallthetimeisbecauseofGod.

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IfIdidn'thavethat,Idon'tthinkbeingatzerowhereIwasandfeelinglikeIhadnothingandhope,allIdidisjustgetonmykneesandsaid,"Youcanhealme.Youarethebestdoctor."Isaid,"IknownyousinceIwasnineIgotsaved,"andIwas,like,"Iknowyoucanpullmethroughthis,andIhungonthat.EventhoughhowmessedupmybrainwasatthetimeandhowsickIfeltandhowmuchIcried,Ijustkeptsaying,"I'mgonnatrustinYoubecauseIhavenobodyelse.Ihavenothing."I'minChina.I'mawayfrommyfamily.AlotofmyfriendsturnedtheirbackonmebecauseIwasborderlineschizophrenic,that'swhatitlookedlike,likemultiplepersonalities.Oneday,Iwouldbegreatandsay,"I'mgonnagetbetter.I'mcomingbacktotheshow,"andnextminute,I'mcrying,hysterical,paranoidthatthey'reouttogetmeandthey'retryingtofireme,allthisstuff,butitwastheconcussion.ItwassomethingthatIcan'tcontrol.

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Irememberthemtellingmethis.Iwassittingdownatthepoolsideoneday,andthey'resaying,"Yeah,it'sjust,it'ssostrangebecausenobodyknowshowtoapproachyourightnowbecauseonesecondyou'reokay.Inthenextsecond,you'refreakingoutandstuff."Toanormalpersonthatdoesn'thaveabraintrauma,I'msurethatlookedreallyweird,like,"What'swrongwiththisgirl?"SoIhadalotoffriendsdistancethemselves,andIlostalotoffriendshipsalongtheway.

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ThethingsIreadabouttraumaticbraininjury,itcandothat.Itdestroysrelationships,friendships,marriagesbecauseyourbrainisyourcomputer.Itcontrolseverythingaboutyou.Youcan'thelpthechemicalimbalanceandhowyourbrainishealingandwhatnewthingsyoucanlearnandwhatthingsyou'velostandsomethingsyoucanregenerateintimeandotherthingsyoumaynevergetback,soyouareadifferentperson.Ihadtolearntoacceptthat,andIhadtoletGodshowmewhothisnewpersonwassupposedtobethroughmynewjourneyofthishealing.ItwashardbecauseIhadtogiveupwhatIlovedandIcouldn'tgobacktothatbecauseIcouldn'ttaketheriskofhittingmyheadagain.ButGodkepttelling,"Don'tworry,I'mgonnagetyouthroughthis.Igotyouthroughthataccident.Youdidn'tdie.That'sbecauseIhaveabetterpurposeforyou,andyou'remeanttomoveon."

ImeanIlookbackandgo,that'stheonlywayIcouldhavemadeitthrough,isbecauseIhadHimtoleanon.Ithinkthat'swhypeoplecommitsuicide,becausetheydon'thaveanythingtoleanon.Theydon'thavethattrust.Theydon'thavetheirHeavenlyFatherjustwrapthemandguidingthemthroughtheworstoftimes.

JonathanOtto: Wherewouldyoubewithoutthat?[00:13:00]Patient23:[00:13:30]

Iwouldn'tbehere.IremembertellingmymomwhensheactuallyflewovertoChinatogetmeandbringmebacksoI'dbeokayontheplane,blessherheart,Itoldher,"Youknow,ifyounevertaughtmeaboutGod,ifyouneverinstalledthatfaithinme,Iwouldn'tbeheretoday.Youwouldn'thaveadaughter."Becausetostrugglewiththat,tofeellikeyou'renotyourselfeverydayin,dayout,Icouldn'tevencookformyself.Icouldn'tclean.Iwouldgetsick.Iwouldgetsosick,andIfeltlikeIwasgoingtodieallthetime,justbadfeeling.WhenIhadtheseizuresandpeopledidn'tbelieveme,itwasjustsofrustrating.It'slike,"Okay,thisisit.Ijustwannajusttakemylife,"andGodkeptsaying,"No,youneedtopushthroughthis.Ihaveapurpose."

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IlookbackandHe'sright.Look,Igettosharemystory.I'mabletowalkandtalkandlivethroughsomethinglikethatandsharethisbecauseitispossibleandeverythingispossiblewithGod,



everything.

JonathanOtto: Wow.

Patient23:[00:14:30]

Ican'teven...There'snowordstodescribewhatI'vebeenthroughandwhatI'velearned,butwhatdoesn'tkillyoudoesmakeyoustronger.Icansaythatforsure.Goddefinitely,HekeepsHispromises.That'sonething.He'salwaysbeenfaithfultome.He'sneverledmeastray,never.It'sthemostawfulworstthingthat'severhappenedtomylife,butinaway,it'sthemostbiggestblessing.

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ItremindsmeofastoryIjustheardfrommydad.HehadafriendthatwentovertotheJordanareaintheMiddleEastwherealotoftherefugeesareandthey'retryingtopullthoseChristiansout.OneoftheChristianswasgettinginterviewedandsaid,like,"Aren'tyoumadatISISfordoingthistoyouandtakingyourfamilyaway?"andhegoes,"No,IpraiseGodforISIS."Andhe's,like,"What?"Hegoes,"Youknow,IthoughtIcouldcontroleverything.Ihadmyhouse.Ihadmyfamily.Iwasgonnagetoutofhereandstuff."Hegoes,"Butitwasmypride,mycontrol."Andhegoes,"That'snothowGodwantsmetolive.HetookeverythingawaybecauseHewantsHimtocontrolitbecausethat'sthewayI'mgonnabethehappiest,"andheisright.

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WhenyousubmittoChrist,HebringsyououtofthatdarknessandHeblessesyoutenfold.Thereisnowaytodescribeit,butthat'swhatfaithis,believinginthingsunseen.IputmyfaithinHim,andHepulledmeoutandHe'sputsuchablessingonme.IgotthisnewcareerthatIabsolutelylovetohelppeopleandhealthemwithhandsthatHe'sgivenmeandthetalentthatHe'sgivenme.LikeIsaid,Icansharemytestimony,andI'vehelpeddoctors,likewhenIsawOsborneandheishelpingmeandI'mhelpinghim,viceversa,justbecauseeverybraininjuryisdifferent.

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WhereI'vecomefromandwhereI'vebeenatmyzeropointtonow,itcanbedone,andIdiditwithoutmedications.Ididitwithoutbeinginahospitalforalongtimeorregulatedbydoctors.Ididitbytakingtimeandkeepingmyfaithstrong.Ofcourse,Ihadalovingfamilythatreallyhelpedmeoutalot,butmynumberonethingismyfaith.Yeah,itwastheworsttime,butitmademesostrong.ItissuchablessingbecauseofwhatIhavetoshareandhelppeople.IreallythinkthatGodisgoingtouseitinawaywhereIcanhelp.Iwouldlovetoworkinaconcussioncenterorsomethingoneday,andIwouldlovetohelppeoplethatmighthaveexperiencedsimilarsymptomsandpainthroughandsufferingandsay,"Hey,it'sokay.It'sgonnagetbetter,'andtobeawitnesstothem.

JonathanOtto: Youfoundyourself,didn'tyou?

Patient23:[00:17:30][00:18:00]

Idid.Yeah,Idid.It'sstrangebecauseIalwayssaythatapartofKaseydiedinthataccidentbecauseIcanfeelit.IfeeldifferentthanIdidbeforeandIthinkdifferently.It'shardtoexplaintosomebodythat'sneverhadbraintraumatoexplainthepsychologicalstatethatIamgoingthroughinthehealingprocess,butit'sbasicallykindoflikeIdiedandcametolifeagain.IlivedonelifeandnowI'mlivingagain.Yes,youcandothatthroughgivingupyourlifeforChristandyou'rebornagain,butit'slikethatwhenyougetbaptizedandyoucometoChristandyoufeelthatweightlifted.It'slikethatbutthemindisdifferent.You'reright,IfoundwhoIreallyamandwhoIalwayswishedIcouldbeandIknewIshouldbe.ButnowI'maggressivewithit.IstandfirmineverythingthatKaseyis.ButittookmetobreakdowntomylowestpointtolearnthatanddiscoveritandbuildKaseyupandbeconfidentwithwhoIam.

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WhenIfirsthadaninitialattack,Ididn'tknowwhattodowhenIfirsthadtheaccident.Ijustwasamess,andalotofdoctorsdidn'tknowhowtohelpmeuntilImoveddownhereandImetDr.Osborne.Hedidalotofthetestresultsandstuffandmybloodwork,anditshowedalotofautoimmuneproblems.He'slike,"Lookyouneedtobackoffallthegrainsinyourdiet."Andhe's,like,"Areyouwillingtodothat?"andIwas,like,"Ihavetogiveupsushi?"andhe'slike,"Yeah,



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youhavetogiveupsushi."I'dsaywhenIcutthatallout,hewasright,ittooktheinflammationoutofmybody.Mygutwasdestroyedfromeating.Ihaveaglutenintolerance,andmybloodtestsshowIhaveoneglutengene,soIshouldstayawayfromit,butalso,braintraumacancausealotofinflammationbecauseyourbodyisfightingtotrytoheal.

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Thegrain-freediet,Ihadtosay,Iswitched.Itriedtododairy-freeasmuchasIcanwithcoconutmilk.Itriedit.Idon'teatprocessedfood.Itrytoeatlotsofgoodanimalfatsandstufflikethat.Ihavetosayit'schangedalotforme,andithelpedmehealsomuchquicker.Honestly,IowealottoDr.Osborne.Heputmeontherighttrack.He'shelpedmemorethananydoctorI'veeverseenprobablymywholelife,notjustwiththisbraintraumabutwitheverything.It'schanged.I'mhappierinthemorningsnow.I'veneverbeenamorningperson,andnowIcansmileandtalkinthemornings.Ihavemoreenergyeventhoughwiththebraintrauma,youcanhavesluggishnessandfatigueandstuff,buteventhough,IfeellikeIcansustainlonger.

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Workingoutisalittlebitharder,butIthinkbecauseofmydiet,nowthatI'mstartingtoworkoutmoreintense,itevenhelpsmewiththattotrytogetbackintothatlevelofathleticismIwas.Ofcourse,Ican'tgobacktoperforming,butIcangetbackmymusclesandIcangetbackmyenduranceandallthatstuffandworkingouthardandpushingmyself,whichIcouldn'tdoaftertheinjury.Foralmostagoodyear,Icouldn'tpushhard,andevenstill,Ihavetrouble.Ihavetousecannedoxygenandstufflikebetweenmysetstogetmethrough.ButIthinkthediet,forsure,iswhatseteverythinginmotiontogetbetterandbetterandtobeabovetheaveragepersonthatgetsputonmedicine.

Becausemedicines,Ibelieve,andIknowDr.Osbornetoo,theycanjustcausealotofproblems,alotofotherinflammationinyourbodythatcancauseothersicknessesanddiseasesinthelongterm.Peoplecangetdependentonthattoo.SoI'vedoneitthecleanwayandthenaturalway,andthebodycanhealnaturally.

JonathanOtto: Terrific.[00:21:30]Patient23:[00:22:00][00:22:30]

Well,Idefinitelydealwithaconcussionstill.Concussionscanhealacouplemonths,acoupleyears.Somepeoplelivewith10years.Itdependsthetraumathatwasdone.ButmysymptomsIdealwitharestilllikeIhavetremors.Idon'thaveseizuresanymore.Imeanchangingmydietandeverythinghasstoppedtheseizuresfromhappening.Minewasn'tconvulsiveseizure,soit'sjustreallyonepartialseizureinthesideofmybrain,andsoIdon'tfeellikeIhaveproblemswiththatnecessarily,butIstillhaveweirdsymptomswherethere'slowbarometricpressuredropsandstufflikethatwhereI'llgettremorsandI'llfeelreallyodd.Ihadthisweirdsensationlikethere'sbuzzinginmybrain,anditfeelslikeelectricity.Ican'tdescribeit,butitcanjuststopmeinmytrackssometimes.It'sreallyscaryespeciallyifI'mdrivingorsomething.I'mnotsureifit'sstillrelatedtothewholeseizureepisodesorwhat,butit'sdefinitelypartofmyautoimmune,soIhavetoreallywatchthatI'mstayingstrictwithmydiet.

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ThatusuallyreallyhelpsifI'mstayingeatinggrain-freeandtakingmysupplements,whichItake...Iwasreallylowincalcium,magnesium,andthathelpsmesleepbettertoo,vitaminB12.B12canhavealotofneurologicaleffectsifyou'redepletedinthat.Itakealotofcholinewhichcanhelpthebrainheal,andOmega-3swhichI'mon,andalotofOmega-3s.Soallthathavehelped.IcantellifIstrayawayfromtakingthatfaithfully,Igetintothedangerzone.Restisreallyimportant.Osborneisworkingwithme.Wecateredaregimen,andI'mconstantlymakingsureIdon'toverdoit.

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Irecentlybackeddowntopart-timeatworkbecauseitjustgottooloaded.Iactuallywashittingawallandpassingouttoo.ButI'mdoingbetterandbetteraslongasIgetmyselfthatproperrestandI'meatingrightandexercisingandnotdoingtoomuchbecausesometimesIoverworkandtoomuchstresscancauseit.Sojustreallymaintainingabalance,andthatbalanceiswaylower



thresholdthanitusedtobe.

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Beingahigh-levelathlete,youhaveareallyhighthreshold.Butnow,I'mkindofbelowaverageforanathlete,butthat'sokay.Iknowwithjustmaintainingandstabilizing,eventually,I'llgettobeamediumhigh-levelathleteandthenmaybebackupthereoneday.Butasofrightnow,aslongasIbalanceouteverythingandfollowwhatOsborneistellingmetodoandeatingrightandsleepingright,Icankeepthesymptomsatbay.Imeantherearestillthingsthatstirup.Ihavetheselittleminiattacksorwhatever,andit'sstillbeinginvestigated,someofit,butingeneral,I'mabletolivenormalaslongasIdon'toverdoit.

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MywordofadvicewouldbeTheSerenityPrayer.Youcan'tcontroleverything,andonlytakeeverythingatdaybyday,andcontrolthethingsthatyoucan,stepbystep,andtakeeverydayatatime.Becausewhenyougettoofaraheadofyourself,itwon'twork.You’vejustgottoslowdownanddefinitelygiveittoGod.IfyoukeepthefaithandletHimcontrolwhatyoucan'tcontrol,itwillworkoutintheend.


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PATIENT CASE STUDY 24 Patient24:[00:00:30][00:01:00]

BeforeIknewaboutglutensensitivity,IusedtoGoogleandIwouldputinallofthesedifferentsymptomsbecauseIwaslookingforoneumbrellathattheyallfillunder,andIcouldn'tfindanyanswers.IwaslookingforafunctionalmedicinedoctorbeforeIevenknewthatthatexisted.IwouldgotodoctorsandIwouldbringallofmymedicalhistory,allofmylabreports.I'llkeepthemforyearsbecauseIguessIjustfeltlikesomething'sgoingonthatwe'renotcatching.IwouldgotoaconventionaldoctorandsayIhaveallofthis.Ihavehighcholesterol.I'munabletoloseweighteventhoughI'mrunningandrunningandrunning.Ihavecystsonmychinanditdoesn'tmatterhowoftenIwashmyfaceorifIgetfacialsorwhatI'mdoing.Ican'tgetthemtogoaway.Depression,anxiety,justtheconstellationofdifferentthings,spottinginbetweenmyperiods.Thesethingswentonforseveralyears.

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Istartedtogetalittlebitofanideaoffunctionalmedicine.Idon'tthinkIhadeverevenheardthattermbutIknewaboutthingslikesalivatestingforhormones.WhenIwenttomyconventionaldoctorandItoldherI'mhavingalloftheseissuesandIfeellikeI'mtryingtoeatwellbutmybloodsugariscrashingandIwouldgetsohungrythatit'slikeIdon'tcarewhatIeat.I'mjustsohungry.Icouldn'tgetthefacetoclearup,Icouldn'tloseweightbecauseIwaseating,andhavingthosebloodsugarcrashesandfeelingdepressed,feelinganxious.IthinktherewereprobablyalotofthingsgoingonandIdothinkglutensensitivitywasunderlyingalotofit.Ithinkwhenitcomestoreallygettinghealthy,therearealotofthingsthatfactorin.Partofitiseatingrightandpartofitisspiritualandpartofitisemotionalandpartofitissupportandnetworkandhavingconnectionsandfriendsandfamily,butIthinktherewereprobablyalotofthingsgoingon.

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IwenttomyregularconventionaldoctorandIsaid,"I'mhavingtheseissuesandI'vebeenhavingthemforawhile."andShesaid,"Well,whydon'twetestyourhormones?"Isaid,"Whataboutsalivatesting?Iheardthatthat'sactuallymoreumreliable."Shesaid,"Well,ifyouwanttodothat,letmereferyouovertomycolleague."Iwenttotheotherdoctor,shetestedthem,shediagnosedmewithpolycysticovarysyndrome,andIwasactuallyreallysurprisedtogetthatdiagnosisbecauseihaveI'veneverhadanytroublegettingpregnant.Ihavefivechildrenandatthatpoint,Ihadfour.Ihadothersymptomsthatfit.IhadtheanxietyanddepressionandIhadthatappleshape,carryingtheweightintheabdomen,thecysticacne.AnotherthingIforgottomentiontooisI'vealwayshadissueswithmyskin,withpsoriasisandeczema,eczemaonmyhandsandpsoriasisonmyanklesandmykneesandonepartofmyhand.

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AndonceIhavethePCOSdiagnosis,Iwenttomygynecologist.ItoldherIhavebeengiventhisdiagnosisbutIdon'tknowhowIfeelaboutitbecauseI'mnothavingtroublewithfertility.AndShesaid,"Well,let'sjusttakealookatyourovaries,"andsureenough,Ihadthecyststhattheylookfor,thepolycystsinovaries.Sheconfirmedit.OnceIhadthatlabel,itwasreallyhelpfulbecausethenIknewwheretostartlooking,andIfoundAmyMeddlingwhoisthePCOSDiva.She'sgotagreatwebsite.IactuallymetherinpersonatthePCOSwomensymposiumthattheyhadforafewyearshereinHoustonandIwentthroughhersix-monthcoachingprogramforwomenwithPCOS.SheintroducedmetopeoplelikeDr.SaraGottfried,Dr.TomO'Bryan,peoplewhoareinthefunctionalmedicineworld,andIrealizeditwaswhatIhadbeenlookingfor.

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AndupuntilthatIpoint,Iwouldgo,likeIsaid,IwouldgoandIwouldtakeallofthisinformationandsay,"Thisiswhat'sgoingon.Ihavealltheselabreports.Ihaveallthesesymptoms."Idon'tfeellikepeopletookmeseriouslyandIwenttoanendocrinologistandshesaid,"Here'saplanfor1,200-caloriediet,"andIcameawayfromthatthinking,"IthinkshethinksI'monlyherebecauseIwanttoloseweightbutI'mherebecauseIfeellikethere's



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somethingbiggergoingonthatIcan'tfigureoutonmyown."Andthedoctorwhohadprescribed,whodiagnosedmewithPCOSthatprescribedmetforminandIwastakinganantidepressantatthetime.Andthemetforminhelped.Itstoppedthebloodsugarcrashesandthebloodsugarcrashingthroughouttheday.Andtheantidepressants,Iswitchedaround.Itrieddifferentones.That'salongstory.

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IhadafeelingonceIstartedhearingaboutglutensensitivity,thesymptomssoundedverysimilartowhatIhaveexperienced.Partofmedidn'twantittobetruebecauseit'ssuchachangeandsoforawhile,IfeltlikeitwasprobablysomethingIneededtobeavoidingbutIwasn'tquiteready.Andtheneventually,IstartedtoavoidglutenbutIwasavoidingitinthewaythatIthinkalotofpeopleareavoidingitwhereIwouldstilleatalotofthegluten-freeproductsthatyoucouldbuyatthegrocerystorethatarebasedincornandriceandoats.AndwhileIwaseatingthatway,IactuallydidseethepsoriasisonmykneesgetalittlebitbetterandIthinkmyskingotalittlebitbetter.Andtheneventually,Ifoundafunctionalmedicinedoctorwhotookalookateverything,allofmypasthistory,allofmysymptoms,allofmylabreportsthatIbroughtinfromovertheyearsandwastestedforglutensensitivity.

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AndDr.OsborneusedgenetictestingandlookedattheHLA-DQ11LLswhichheexplainedtome.HelookedatHLA-DQ1,DQ2,DQ8,variousLLsanyway.IwaspositiveforHLA-DQ1.AndhesaidthatmeantthatIhaveaninnateimmuneresponsetoglutenandIalwayswillandtoavoidallgrains.IcutthemoutalittleoverayearagoandtherewasabiglearningcurvebutI'venoticedsomemajorchangessinceIcutthemout.Foronething,thepsoriasisonmyanklethatwasthereforyearshasgoneawaycompletely.WhenIcutoutjusttheglutenandIwasstilleatingcornandtheoatsandthericeandothergrains,itstilldidn'tgoaway.WhenIremovedallgrains,thatpatchofpsoriasiswentawayandIwasrelievedbecauseititchedandpeoplewouldoftensay,"Whathappenedtoyourankle?"It'slike,"Nothing.It'sjustpsoriasis."butitwentaway.

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Thispregnancy,beingmyfifth,itwasactuallyprobablymybestoneandI'moldernow.Iwas38whenIhadher,39now.IonlygainedabouthalfasmuchweightasIhadwithmyotherfourpregnanciesandInolonger...Iquit.WhenIwaspregnant,Iquittakingtheantidepressant.Ididn'twanttotakethroughthepregnancy.IwasnolongertakingthemetforminandIdidn'tfeellikeIneededtotakeitbecausewhenI'mnoteatingglutenandgrains,Idon'thavethesamebloodsugarcrashesandIdon'tfeelthatsamecompulsivefeelingthatIwashavingbeforethatI'vegottomakecookies,I'vegottoeatsomething,cookies,somethingglutenrichintheafternoonbecausemybloodsugarwouldcrash.It'snothappeninganymore.Itmakesabigdifferenceformekeepingmybloodsugarlevel.

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I'vebeenoffoftheantidepressantsandIhadbeenonthemforprobablyeightyearsbeforethatandhadskippedaroundtodifferentonesbecausetheyallhadsideeffects.AndIfeltlikewhenIwouldgotoseethedoctorformymedicationmanagementwhichbasicallyiseverysixmonthswhenyou'retakinganantidepressant,yougoinandyoutalktothe-

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Whenyou'retakinganantidepressant,yougoinandyoutalktothepsychiatristabouthowyou'redoingwiththemedicine.Itwasn'tactuallyinacounselingorlookingatoveralllifeorsituation,what'sgoingon.Itwas,"Howareyoufeeling?Youstillfeelingalittleanxious?Whydon'tweaddinalittleBuspar.DoyouwanttoaddBuspar?"I'msittingthere,like,"No."Idon'twanttoaddmoremedication.Idon'tknowifIwanttobeonantidepressants,butonceyou'reonthem,it'sveryhardtocomeoffbecausethere'snodiscontinuationplan.AtleastnotthatI'vecomeacross.

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MyexperiencewasIstartedandIwasjustonthem.Therewasnoplantocomeoff.WhenIfirstwentonthem,IhadthreeyoungchildrenundertheageoffourandIthinkalotofmyfeelingofoverwhelmandstressandangerandirritabilitywasfatigue,andIwasprobably



depletedofalotofnutrients.

JonathanOtto: Whatwastheangerandirritability?Whatwasthat?

Patient24: IfeltalotofangerjustbecauseIcouldn'tgetanythingdone.

JonathanOtto: Howdidthatcomeout?[00:11:30]Patient24:

Idon'tthinkitdidcomeout.Ithinkitturnedinandbecamedepression.Doesthatmakesense?Iwasn'tlashingoutandthrowingthingsorhurtingmychildrenoranythinglikethat.Iwasmorejustangryandresentful,andIthinkitwasturninginandIwouldfeeldepressedandoverwhelmed.Youunderstand?

JonathanOtto: Sothatfeelingofangerturnedonyourself?[00:12:00]Patient24:[00:12:30]

Yes,Ithinkitjustcameoutasirritability.Ratherthanlashingoutatotherpeople,Itendto,ifI'mupset,probablyholditinmoreandjustfeelirritableoroverwhelmed.Iwentintomyobstetrician.Davidwasmyson,mybabyatthetime,andIwasjustcrying.Iwasjustcrying,youknow?Icouldn't...Ithinkitwastheoverallsituation,thenegativeselftalkforsure--of"Ican'tseemtogetthedishwasherloaded."It'snotthatIwasn'tfunctioning,it'sthatIfeltpulledinalotofdifferentdirections,andguiltwasanotherthing.

Ifeltalotofguilt.'CauseIhadthreeyoungchildrenandtheyallneededmeandtherewasjustone"me"togoaround.Icouldn'tmeeteverybody'sneeds.Wewereinadifferentcity;wewereoutofstatefromfamily,sotherewerealotofthingsgoingon.

[00:13:00] So,IwenttomydoctorandtoldherhowIwasfeeling,andit'sironicbecauseIsaid,"ButIdon'tfeelsad,though,"eventhoughIwascrying.Ididn'tnecessarilyfeelsad;Ipredominantlyfeltirritable,guilty,overwhelmed,andsomeangerandresentment.

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Shesaid,"Youdon'thavetofeelsadforittobedepression,"andsheprescribedZoloft.Initially,whenItooktheZoloft,Ididfeelalotbetter,butitalmostmademefeelalittlemanic;likeIcanrunandrunandrun,andIdon'treallyneedthatmuchsleep.Itwasalittletoomuch,anditalsowouldfeelliketherewasastrobelightinmyheadwhenIwastryingtosleepatnight,soIwasn'tgettingverygoodsleep.Ididn'tfeelthatmuchlikeIneededitbecauseIwastakingZoloft,butIknewitwasn'tright,andsoIwentandIswitchedtoLexapro.WhenIwastakingthat,Ifeltalittle"blah,"sotheyaddedWellbutrin.

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Istayedonthatcombinationforseveralyears;probablyfouryears.Iwasonitthroughmypregnancywithmyfourthchild.Thedoctorsaid,"Ihavealotofmomswhotakethiswhenthey'repregnantandit'sfine."Istilldon'tknowifthere'saconnectionthatmyfourthdaughterdidhavesomedevelopmentaldelays.Shehascaughtupnow--she'sfine--butshehadlowmuscletoneandsomeotherissuesthatwewentthroughphysicaltherapy,occupationaltherapy,andspeechtherapyfor,foraboutfiveyears.Wasthereaconnection?Idon'tknow,andnoonecansaydefinitively,butasamom,Iwillalwayskindofwonder.

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WhenIwaspregnantagainwithmynextbaby,IwasonPristiqatthetime.Inthemeantime,IhadbeenonZoloftagain,andIhadbeenononecalledVybridverybrieflybecauseitwaswaytoomuch.Imean,Ijustdidn'tlikeit.IwasonPristiqforawhile.Itwasfine,butallofthistimeIwassearchingforawaytocomeoffofthemedication.AsImentionedearlier,therereallywasn'tagooddiscontinuationplanforcomingoff,sowhenIwouldtrytogooff,Iwouldjustgooffonmyown.ThenIthinkIwouldhavewithdrawal,andthenthatkindofscaresyoubecauseit'slike,"Well,ifI'mgoingtofeellikethis,Ihavetobeonmedication."So,Iwouldgobackonorgoonsomethingelse.



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So,IwastakingPristiq,foundoutIwaspregnant,wentoff--wentthroughthewithdrawals,whichconsistedofalotofstrange"brainzaps,"ifyou'veeverheardofthat.It'sastrangefeeling.I'vebeenoffofitnowforoverayear,anddespitethefactthatI'mcryingbecauseI'mtalkingaboutpastexperiences,IfeellikeI'vedonefinewithoutit.IwentoffatthesametimeIwentgrainfreeatthebeginningofthatpregnancy.

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AnothermedicationIwason,asImentionedearlier,wasthemetformin.WhenDr.OsborneranaSpectraCellandlookedatwhatvitaminsandnutrientsIwaslowin,hesaid,"Metforminwouldbegreatifyouhadadeficiencyinthisnutrient,butyoudon't,soit'snotactuallycorrectingsomethingthatneedstobecorrectedinyou."Heprescribedspecificsupplementsandvitaminstotake,andItakethoseinstead.Ifeelfinewithoutthemetformin.

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I'vestayedoffofthat,I'vestayedofftheantidepressants,I'vetakenthevitaminsthatDr.Osbornerecommends,andthecystsaregoneonmyface.Myskinisbetter.Mypsoriasisisalotbetter.Iknowthatforsomepeople,ceasingtoeatgluten,theyhavearadical"Aha!"wheretheyfeelinstantlybetteraweeklaterorwhatever.Forme,it'sbeenmoreofagradual...WhenIlookatthebigpicture;whenIlookatthefactthatI'm10poundsless.Thiskindofhappenedgradually,but10poundslessthanIwasfouryearsago.OrthefactthatI'mnottakingallthemedicationsIwastakingbefore.Thefactthatmypsoriasisisgone;thecystsaregonefrommychin.Iseethosekindsofimprovements.

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Iwasn'tsomebodywhowasonmydeathbed,butIwaslikealotofotherwomenwhohavealotofdifferentthingsgoingonandneedsomebodytoconnectthedotsandreallylistentothemratherthantreatingthemlikethey'reimaginingthingsorbeingtreatedinawaythatyoufeellikesomeone'scondescendingtoyou,orthatyourproblemsarereallynotthatbigbecausethey'renotlifethreatening.Iknowthattherearealotofotherwomenlikeme.IactuallyhavefriendsandwomenthatItalktoallthetimewhoarestrugglingwithweight,mood,eventhingslikejointpainandarthritis,andIthinkalotofthemcouldbenefitfromcuttingglutenoutoftheirdiet.

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Thehardestpartaboutit--Idon'tmissthegluten,Idon'tmissthefood,Ireallydon'tmissit.Thehardestpartistravel.Thehardestpartisbeingoutsideofmynormalenvironment.Whenyoutravelplaces,it'snoteasytoeatthingsoffthemenuwhenyou'retryingtoavoidgrainsandsugars.That'sthehardestpart,butInolonger...

Patient24:[00:20:30]

...That'sthehardestpartbutInolongerfeelthatcompulsiontoeatbreadandcookies,Idon'tmissit.Iwasouttodinneronenightwithfriends,itwasanItalianrestaurantandtheybringthislittlepizzaflatbreadsomethingtothetableforeverybodytoeatbeforeyourfoodcomesout,theybringyoutheselittlecookiesattheend.Myfriendkeptsaying,"Sosorrytoeatthisinfrontofyou,Ifeelsobad.Doyouwantitjustalittlebit?"I'mlike,noIreallydon't,Iactuallyjustdon'twantit,itdoesn'tbothermeatall,Idon'twantit.That'sprobablythehardestthingwouldbedinnersandtravelingandnotbeingabletojustorderanythingoffthemenu.Idon'tthinkverymanypeoplewantpeopleto...Whowantstobepitied?Idon't.

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Itwaseye-openingformetorealizeshe'sprojectingontome,she'sassumingthatIwanttoeatthisandIreallydon't.Irealized,Ireallydon'twantit.Iamsomeonewho,backinmyGluteneatingdays,ifIwenttoarestaurantthatbroughtbreadouttothetable,Iwouldfeelverygreedyaboutit.IlearnedalotaboutallofthedifferentteststhattheyhaveforglutensensitivityfromDr.O'Bryan.IlearnedfromhimaboutthevarioustestingthattheyhaveforglutensensitivityandactuallyIknowthathehasaslightlydifferentapproachthanDr.Osborne.WhenIlistenedtohimIwaslearningaboutanotherwaytotestforGlutensensitivityandanotherwayoflookingatit.

JonathanOtto: Didithelpyou?



Patient24: Ofcourse.IreallyenjoyedlisteningtoDr.O'BryanandtoIzabellaWentz.Ithinktheybothhavealottooffer.

[00:22:00]JonathanOtto:

HowdidIzabellaWentzhelpyou?

Patient24:[00:22:30]

Iappreciatewhenshegivesinformationaboutwhattoaskforwhenyougotoyourdoctor.Ithinkwhenyouhavethatinformationwithyou,itcanhelpyoutoadvocateforyourself.Whenyougotoyourdoctorandyousay,"IthinkmyThyroid'salittlesluggish,"theysayokay,"We'lltakealookatyourTSH."Ifyou'velistenedtoIzabellaWentzorlookedatherwebsiteorreadanythingthatshe'swritten,you'rebetterarmedtosay,"I'dreallylikeforyoutolookatmyT3,T4,myreverseT3,arethereanyanti-thyroidantibodiesinmysystem,Iwanttolookatthewholepicture."Ifyougotoyourdoctorandthey'renotwillingtodothat,youknowthatyouneedtofindanotherdoctor.

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ListeningtopeoplelikeDr.O'BryanandIzabellaWentz,Dr.Wentz,givesyouthatinformationsothatyoucanadvocateforyourself.Iknowfrommyownpersonalexperience,ifIhadn'tcontinuedtoaskandtokeepsearchingonmyown,IwouldnothavefoundthekindofanswersthatIfound.Iwouldn'thavefoundanycomprehensive,wellness,healthcare.Iwouldhaveprobablycontinuedtohavebeenprescribedvariousmedicinesthatwouldbeaband-aidforwhatIwasexperiencing.WhatIreallywantedtofindwas,whatwasthesourceoftheproblemtostart.Ithinkmyglutensensitivity,ofcourseit'salwaysbeenapartofme,Ithinkitshowedupeveninchildhood,ofcourse,Ihadneverheardofglutenthen,nobodywastalkingaboutglutenwhenIwaslittle.

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IhadstomachachesandIhadalotofanxietyandworry.Ihadrecurrentthroatinfections,IhadStrepthroatoverandover,thesearethingsIhavefoundoutsincethen,canbeassociatedwithglutensensitivity.Ialsocarriedweightinmystomach,always.Wheniwaslittle,Iwasn'tcarryingweightanywhereelse,justrightthere,allofthesethings.AsIgotolder,theStrepthroatreallyrampedupincollegeandIwouldgotothedoctor,getaprescriptionforantibiotics,andliterallyafterIwentofftheantibiotics,thethroatinfectionwouldcomebackimmediately.IhadafewyearstherewhereItooksomanyantibioticsthatitreallydisruptedmyguthealthandstartedmedownthispaththatthesymptomsjustcontinuedtostackupafterthat.

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IthinkI'vereversedalotofthat.IwasactuallyreallyexcitedbecauseIhavebeengoingthroughtheSpectraCelltestingwithDr.Osbornewherehelooksatallofthevitaminandnutrientlevelswithinthecell.WhenIstartedoff,IhadsomedeficienciesandthenhetestedmelaterwhileIwaspregnantandIhadsomedeficiencies.HereIam,mybaby'seightmonthsold,I'vebeenthroughapregnancyandnursing,thistimeIhadnonutritionaldeficiencieswhichwaseyeopening.Itwasreallysurprisingtome.ThatshowsmethatthechangesI'vemadeindietandthechangesI'vemadeinsupplementinghavebeenhelping.Ordinarily,whenyou'vebeenthroughapregnancyandyou'renursingababy,you'reprobablygoingtobedepletedinsomevitalnutrientsandIwasn't.Thatwasreallyexcitingforme.

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Withmythyroid,IfeltlikeIhadsymptomsoflowthyroid.Mydoctorcheckeditandsheagreedthatitwasalittleonthelowside.Mydoctorhappenstobeclosertothefunctionalmedicinewayofthinking.She'sthedoctorthatIfoundwhenIhadrequestedsalivatesting.She'sveryopen-minded,she'sveryupwithwhat'sgoingonnowinmedicineandshetakesalittlebitmoreofaholisticapproach.Sheprescribed,atthetime,Synthroid,forme.WealsoaddedinArmourThyroidlater.WeeventuallyswitcheditandhadLevothyroxineminusthecorn,nograins,compoundedwithsomeT3,whichiswhatI'mtakingnowinsustainedreleasewhichIthinkishelpful.



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WhenIstartedtakingthyroidmedicine,ithelpedwiththeafternooncrashesIwasexperiencing.IwouldeventuallyliketobeabletocomeoffofitsoI'mnotonanymedication.Iknowwhenyougotoaconventionaldoctor,theytypicallytellyou,onceyou'reonthyroidmedicine,that'sit,you'reonitforlife.IhavehopefromwhatI'velearnedfromIzabellaWentzandotherfunctionalmedicinedoctorsthatitisn'tnecessarilyalifesentence.Youcanhealandgetbetter.OneofthesupplementsthatI'mtakingthroughDr.Osborneisiodinetohelpsupportmythyroid.WhenI'mfinishednursingandweretesteverything,I'mhopingthateventually,I'llbeabletocomeoffofthethyroidmedicine.

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BackwhenIdidn'tknowthatIwasglutensensitive,bythewaythisisalittlebitfunny,theonlythingI'deverheardaboutglutenpriortolearningthatitcouldactuallybeaproblemforpeople,IwasinabreadbakingclassbecauseIusedtolovetobake.Iwouldbakecinnamonrollsandbreadandkolachesandallthesethings.Iwasinaclassandsheencouragedustousebreadflourbecauseithadahigherconcentrationofgluten.That'stheonlythingIknewaboutit.It'sagoodthing,itwillhelpmycinnamonrollsturnoutgreatanditdidbutitwasn'tgoodforme.Ididn'tknowthat,otherthan,youknowsimplecarbsandallthesugarsisnotgoodforyoubutIhadnoideaaboutgluten.

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BackbeforeIknewaboutthesensitivity,backwhenIwastryingtofindaconnectionbetweenallofthevarioussymptomsthatIwashaving,Isuspectedthyroid.Ihavehad,offandonovertheyears,I'vehadtheissuewiththeridgesinmyfingernails,theeyebrowstendtobethinontheoutside,thecrashingintheafternoon,fatigue,depression,weightgain,allofthosethingscanbeassociatedwiththyroid.Theycanalsobeassociatedwithglutensensitivityandalsowithpolycysticovarysyndrome.Ihaveactuallybeenapproachingitfromallofthosedifferentanglesandonethingthat'sconsistent,whetheryouhavePCOSorthyroidissues,orglutensensitivityisdietchange.

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Takingthosethingsoutofmydiethasbeenhelpfulacrosstheboard.Idon'tevenknowifitmakessensetocompletelyisolateitasathyroidissueorasaPCOSissue,asaglutensensitivityissue,Ifeellikeit'sallinterrelated.I'mnotadoctorbutmaybethefactthatmybodywasinflamedfromtheglutenandIwasconstantlyhavinganimmuneresponsetothatwasaffectingmythyroid.MaybethatinflammationIhavethroughoutmybodyiswhyIhavetheeczemaandthepsoriasisandthecysticacne.Maybeitwasthrowingoffmysugarandthat'swhyIdevelopedPCOS.Ithinkit'sallconnectedandIthinkthatthey'realotofdifferentwaystoapproachit,togetbetter,withexerciseanddietandthey'reallequallyimportant.Ifeellikegettingtheglutenoutwashuge,thegrains,gettingthemoutcompletelywashuge.IdothebestIcanwithit.

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LikeIwastellingyouearlier,Iknowthattherearealotofwomenouttherewhoarelikeme.Idon'twanttobetoocriticalofthemedicalsystemthatwehaveinplace.Ibelievedoctorsgenuinelycare,mostdoctorscare,theyhavecompassion.Ithinkthatthemodelseemstobemorefocusedonputtingoutfiresthanonfindinganunderlyingproblem.Forsomeonelikeme,whoisn'tsufferingfromadebilitatingdiseasebutknowssomethingisn'trightandwantstobecomethebestversionoftheirselfsotheycantakecareoftheirfamilyanddowhateverGodcreatedthemtodo,isbysharingwhatI'vebeenthroughsopeopleknowthattheirnotalone.Eveniftheythinkthattheirproblemsaretooinsignificanttomatter,thetruthisthattheymatter,everybody'sissuesthattheygothrough,theirstruggles,theymatter.

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Justbecauseyoudon'tlivesomeplacewhereyoudon'thaveaccesstofoodandwater,whichthosearehuge,hugeproblems,wecareaboutthosepeopleofcourse.Peoplelivingrighthere,intheUnitedStates,inothercountriesthathavewhattheyneed,arestillsuffering.Ithinksometimeswhenwe'resuffering,we'llcompareoursufferingtosomeoneelse'sandthink,"Well,howcouldIcomplainbecausesomebodyelsehasitworsethanIhaveit."Yourstruggleisyourstruggle,ifit'sholdingyouback,ifit'sanxiety,ifit'sfeelinguncomfortablein



[00:32:30]

yourownskinandunabletogooutandplaywithyourkidsthewaythatyouwantto,orifyou'retrappedbecauseyoucan'tfindanythingtowearbecauseyoucan'tfitintoyourclothes,oryou'rejusttooself-conscious,thathappens.It'sarealthing.Ifyou'reenergyissolowthatyoucan'ttakecareofyourfamilyorgooutandliveyourlife,thosearerealstrugglesforpeople.

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ByseeingthatIhavefoundsomehelpandsomeanswerswhenIkepttrying,hopefullyotherpeoplewillrealizethattheirproblemsareopportunitiesforthemtolearnandgrowandthattheycangetbetter.Ican'tsaythatmylifeisallsunshineandrainbowsbecausenobody'sis.IdofeellikethingshavegottenbetterandIhavefoundsomeanswersandIfeelalotmoreempoweredwhenIgoandItalktodoctorsorItalktosomeoneaboutmyhealthandmyexperiences.IfeelalotmoreconfidentandI'msogratefulforthefunctionalmedicinedoctorswhoareputtingthisinformationoutthereforthoseofuswhoarelookingforthatkindofhelp,didn'tknowitexistedandlookingforanswersthatdidn'tinvolve...Typicallyforwomentheysay,"Here'sabirth-controlpillandanantidepressant."Thosethingsarenotformeandfindingmoreholisticanswersthatrespectthewholebody,it'sveryempowering.Ithinkitreallyspeakstothedignityofeachpersonwheneverthey'retreatedwiththatkindofcare.


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PATIENT CASE STUDY 25 Patient25: Whatwasgoingonforme?Iwastiredallthetime.Theydiagnosedmewithlupus.Ihad

fibromyalgiasymptoms.Myarmswouldalwayshurt,myarmsandshoulderswouldfeellikeavicegripwassqueezingthem.OnceIgottested,everythingchanged.OnceIchangedmydiet,mylifetotallychanged.

[00:00:30] It'sashortstory,sorry.That'smy,mostofmystoryisjustthat,Ithinkwithinthreedaysofchangingmydiet,thingshadchanged.NowifIeatsomethingthatIshouldn'teat,thenIfeeleffects.SoI'mtoblameifIdon'tfeelgood.BecauseIatethewrongfoods.

JonathanOtto: Wow,that'samazing.

Patient25: Itis.

JonathanOtto: Whatwasyourcondition?

Patient25: TheythoughtIhadlupus.

JonathanOtto: Wereyoudiagnosedwithlupus?

Patient25: Mm-hmm(affirmative).Whichisanautoimmunedisease.

JonathanOtto: Itsaiditonpaper,youhavelupus?

Patient25:[00:01:00]

Mm-hmm(affirmative),right.ButIdon'tthinkIdid.BecauseI'vehadnoneofthesymptomssinceI'vechangedwhatIwaseating.

JonathanOtto: Butthenwouldn'tthatbetrueforeverybodyelse?

Patient25: Couldbe.

JonathanOtto: Whatdoyouthink?

Patient25: Idon'tknow,becauseIjustcanonlytalkaboutme.

JonathanOtto: Sure.

Patient25: Whatworksforme.

JonathanOtto: Butasinyouhadlupus.

Patient25: Ithinkthat...

JonathanOtto: Imeanyougotdiagnosedwithlupus,andyouhadtestsdonethat...

Patient25:[00:01:30]

Butlupusisnotaswell-definedassomeoftheotherautoimmunediseases,likediabetes,oranyoftheotheronesthatyouwanttomention,youknow.It'smorelike,theyeliminateotherthings,andiftheycan'tfindoutwhat'swrong,thentheycallitlupus,kindofthing.Thereareantibodiesthattheycando.Theydoabloodtest,andyouhaveantibodies,so.Ihavenotbeentestedagainforthoseantibodies,becauseIdon'tgotothemedicaldoctortosee,becauseI'mfine.



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Iusedtosleepallthetime,likeafterIgotupandgotdressedtowork.Iwouldsleeponthewaytowork,andI'dtakeanapatlunchtime,andI'dtakeanaponthewayhome.SoIwasjustalwaysextremelyexhausted.ButonceIchangedwhatIwaseating,then,I'mnotthatwayanymore.

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OneofthethingsthatwaskindofinterestingwasaboutthreeyearsbeforeIcametoDr.Osborne,Ineededtoloseweight,soIwentononeofthoseliquiddietswhereyoudrinktheliquids.Ifelttonsbetteronthat.IthinkitwasbecauseIwasn'teatingthegrainsatthesametime.Youcan'tsurviveonaliquiddietallyourlife.

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NowallIhavetodoiscutoutthegrains.It'snotfun,Imeanit'sverylimitinginwhatyoucando.ButnowthatI've...It'sbeensevenyearssinceI'vestoppedeatinggrains.It'salmostlikeyouforgetwhathappenedbackthen.Ican'trememberallthebadstoriesandthebadthingsthathappened,orhowyoufeel,andstufflikethat.BecauselifefeelsgreatnowthatI'venoteatenthegrains.

ItjustfeelslikeIwastiredand,Iwouldn'tcallitdepressed,Ijustwasn'thappyanddidn'thaveenergy.It'shardformetothinkofwordstodescribeit.EspeciallysinceIhaven'tbeeninthatpositionforsolong.It'slikeitwasadifferentlife.

JonathanOtto: Yeah.

Patient25:[00:03:30]

It'salmostmorelike,myfamilytellsmemorehowthingswerelike."Thisisthewayyouusedtobe."Or,"Thatusedtobe..."Iwasvery,Ididn'tliketosocializewithpeople.Didn'tliketodothings.Well,Ijustwastiredallthetime.Ididn'tfeelgood.It'sfrustratingwhenyoudon'tknowwhy,orthere'snotananswer.Butit'swonderfulnow,thatIknowwhy,andthingsaren'tthatbadanymore.Idon'thavetotakeabunchofmedicinetotrytocurethisorthat.Becausetheywereputtingmeonmedicines.ItwasjustbyhappenstancethatIsawthecliponTV.

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Itwasasegmentonthenews.Theyweretalkingaboutpeoplethatwerebetter.Aladywastalking,probablydon'tatestimonial,theyhaditonthenews.Iwaslike,"ThatsoundslikewhatI'mexperiencing.Ioughttogoandseeifthat'swhatwrongwithme."SoIcamedown,andthat'showitstarted.Theyjustdotheswabtoseeifyou'regluteninsensitive.Glutenintolerant.

JonathanOtto: Yeah.

Patient25:[00:04:30]

Iguessinasenseyoucouldsaythatitwas,thefindingswerefastenoughthatitdidn'tdoalotofdamagetomybody.Itdidn'tevolveintoalotworseautoimmuneissuesandthingslikethat.

LikeIsaid,itwasprobably2009whenIsawhim.Ihaven'tseenhiminawhile.

JonathanOtto: Yeah.

Patient25: BecauseIdon'tneedtoseehim.That'swhathetoldmewhenIfirstwenttohim,hesays,"Idon'twantyouasapatientforlife.Iwanttofindoutwhat'swrongwithyouandfixit,andyou'regoingtomoveon."That'swhatI'vedone.Hefixedme,andnowI'vemovedon.

[00:05:00] IstilltakemysupplementsthatIneed,andeveryonceinawhilemybodyhashormonalchanges,aseverybodydoesastheyage.Sohereadjustsme,andhe'llseewhat'sgoingonwithbloodwork,thingslikethat.

JonathanOtto: Mm-hmm(affirmative).

Patient25: IfIneedsomethingdifferentthenI'lltakeit.Ionlytakethebasicstuff,likeamultivitaminandfishoil.Doctorsareamazed,whenIgo,thatIdon'ttakeanything.



JonathanOtto: Yeah.[00:05:30]Patient25:

Becauseyouknow,mostpeoplemyatagearetakingcholesterolmedicineandbloodpressuremedicine,andeverykindofmedicinethereis.

WhenIwasfirstdiagnosedwithlupus,theytriedtogivemesomething,andItookitforawhile.Butitwaslike,makingotherissueshappen.That'swhenIkindofwaslike,okay,I'mnotgoingonthismerry-go-roundof,you'regoingtotakeamedicinethat'sgoingtocauseanotheraccident,oranotherissue,andsoyoucantakeanothermedicine,oryoutakeanothermedicine.Idon't,Ijustdon'tgodownthatpath.

JonathanOtto: Whatweretheotherissues?

Patient25: Ican'tremembernow.[00:06:00]JonathanOtto:

Youcan'trememberwhatsymptomswerebeingcausedbylupus?Orbythedrugs?

Patient25: Oh,bythemedicines,that'swhatIwastalkingabout.

JonathanOtto: Whatwerethey?

Patient25: Oneofthemwasthesideeffect,theysaiditcouldcauseyoutoloseyoureyesight.I'mlike,Idon'treallythinkIwanttotakeariskwithmyeyesight,youknow?Itwasnothelpingme.Ican'tevenrememberthenameofthemedicine,I'dhavetogobackandlookatmyhistory.

JonathanOtto: Whenyoustartedtakingthedrugs...

Patient25: Oh.

JonathanOtto: Whatwasthesymptoms?

Patient25:[00:06:30]

IthinkmaybeIcouldn'tsleepthen.Theymademetoohyper.BecauseIwastiredallthetime,sowhateverdrugtheygaveme,itmademetoohyper.Thenthey'relike,"Wellwecangiveyouasleepingpill."AndI'mlike,"Idon'tthinkI'mgoingthere."

JonathanOtto: Okay.

Patient25: I'mjustgoingtoquittakingthedrug.

JonathanOtto: Cool.

Patient25: Ididthingslikeexercise.Then,that'swhatIsaid,whenIwassittingthere,IsawthissegmentonDr.Osborne'spatient.Iwaslike,"Ineedtogogettested."Myhusbandthoughthewasaquackatfirst,butthenhegottestedtoo,andherealizedthathe'snot.Hehelpedmyhusbandalot.I'vesentlotsofpeopletohimtoo.

[00:07:00] Iliketobehisadvocate,Iliketotelleverybodyabouthowawesomeitis.BecauseifyoutoldmebeforeIgottested.Evenlikethedayhetoldme,"Youcan'thaveanymoregrains."

I'mlike,"Doesthatincludepopcorn?"BecauseIeatpopcorneverynight.

Andhe'slike,"Well,I'mnotthefoodNazi,butwhateverittakes."AndwhenIquitit,Iwaslike,Ican'tbelievethatthisis...ThewayIwasfeelingiscausedbywhatIwaseating.Becauseliterallywithinthreedays,mylifehadchanged.Justbynoteatingbadthings.



It'sreallyhardtodescribeIthink,unlessyouexperienceit.Idon'tknow.[00:07:30]JonathanOtto:

Doesitmakeyouhappy?

Patient25: Ohyeah,I'mveryhappy.Ican'tgiveanybetterdescriptionsforitthan,itwasalifechange.Itchangedmylifedrastically.

JonathanOtto: Whodoyouhave,whatsignificantpeopledoyouhaveinyourlife?

Patient25: Mychildren.

JonathanOtto: Yeah.

Patient25:[00:08:00]

Yeah.Andmydaughterisnowtestingherchildren,becauseit'sgenetic.Eventhoughshewouldalwayshaveastomachacheaftersheate,shewouldneverreallybelievethatitwaswhatshewaseatingthatwouldcauseit.Sonowshe'sgonethroughthetesting,andtheyjustgottheresultsbackprobablywithinthelastmonth.Herbabiesarereallysick,sotheybreakoutinhivesandthingslikethat.It'sprobablyallbecauseof,betweenherandherhusbandbeingsosensitivetowhattheyeat,it'scausingthekids...

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Herhusbandwasactuallydiagnosed.Hewasdiagnosedwithceliacwhenhewasyounger,liketwoorthree.He'sinhismid-thirtiesnow.Buthismotherdidn'tbelieveit,soshelethimeateverythinghewanted,allthoselies,andnowhe'sgotreallymajorproblems.

Ican'teventhink,thatifIhadsufferedallmylifewithnotknowing.Youjustthink,oh,you'vegotlupus,andthere'snothingyoucando.Eventhoughyoutrytodoeverything,likeexercise,youdothisorthat.Tothinkthatitwasreallyjustachangeofdietthatchangedthelife.It'sprettyincredible.

It'sbecauselikeIsaid,it'sbeensolongthatIforgothowbaditwas,becauseIwanttoeraseallthebadmemories.


Iwantyouto...

Patient25: Itwasreallypainful,mybodyjustached.Itjustachedliketherewerevicegripsonmyarmsandshouldersandlegsandstuff.Likesomebodywasjustsqueezingthem,andyoucouldn'tdoanythingaboutit.Itwasjustreallypainful.Likethat.

JonathanOtto: And...

Patient25:[00:09:30]

Andthentheextremeexhaustion.That'stheotherthing.Iwasjustalwaystired.Icouldnevergetanyenergy,never.Justalways,"It'stimetogotakeanothernap."I'dtakefourorfivenapsaday,aftersleepingallnight.

MyfamilyreallylikeditwhenIgotbetter,becausethenIwasmoresocialanddidn'thavetoalwaysbeoffsleeping.Itwaslike,fibromyalgia,whereyoualwaysfeellikeyou'retiredandthingslikethat.Theythoughtitwasthat,too.TheythoughtIhadacombination.

JonathanOtto: Andthat's...

Patient25: ButIwasthekindofpersonthatIpushedthroughnomatterwhat.

JonathanOtto: Yeah.



Patient25:[00:10:00]

IstilldidwhatIneededtobedoing.Ithinkifitwas,somebodywhodidn'thaveasmuchdriveanddeterminationasIdid,itwouldhaveflatknockedthemout.Theyprobablywouldn'thaveevenbeenabletowork,orthingslikethat.

JonathanOtto: Yeah.

Patient25:[00:10:30]

Ithinkthatitactuallywasdifferentforme.BecauseI'mmoreofashyperson,anddidn'tlikebeingaroundpeople.ButsinceIchanged,I'mmoresocial.I'mnotsoantisocialandsoshyaroundpeople,sinceI'vechanged.Butyou'reright,itwasalotofpain.Theyalsocalleditchronicfatiguesyndrome.

JonathanOtto: Yeah.

Patient25: Butbackthen,Iguesstherewasn'tasmuchknowledgeandscienceandresearchasthereisnowabout,andIprobablyshouldhavelookedatajournalorlookedatmyhistoryorsomethinglikethat.Becausewhenyousaidthataboutthepain,it'slike,Ididtakeoffwork.Itookaleaveofabsence,youknow?Becausethepainwassobad,andtheexperiencewassobad.

[00:11:00] Well,becauseIwasasingleparentwiththreechildren.Youdon'thavethoseluxuries.Youdon'thavetheluxuriesofoh,Ican'tdothis,

JonathanOtto: Canyourememberthedaywhenyousubmittedyouknow,myleaveofabsence?

Patient25: Idon'trememberthatspecifically.IjustknewtherewasasummerthatIdid.ThatIdidn'tworkforabout,twotothreemonths,theyletmetakeoff,justtoseeifIcouldfindoutwhatwasgoingon,andfindthecauseofwhatwas...

[00:11:30]

Themostimportantthingtodoistofindoutifit'ssomethinginyourdiet.Becauseeverybody,it'sdifferent.Itcouldbesomethingdifferent.Butitcanmakeadistractchange.Becauseinmylife,likeIsaid,itwasonlythreedays.

Iknowsomepeoplegosixweeksortwomonthsorthreemonthsbeforetheycanfigureoutwhatmakesthembetter.Iwasblessed,Iwasreallyblessedthatwithinthreetofivedays,Iwasjustlike,wow,thisislifechanging.Icanstayawake,I'mnotinpain,Icandothings.MyfamilyishappythatI'mback.Thingslikethat.

[00:12:00] Ithinkthateachpersonistheirownbestadvocate.Thatifyouhaveissuesthatyouneedtodoyourownresearch.Youneedtowatchandlearneverythingthatyoucanlearn.Forsomebodythat'sgoingagainstmainstreammedicine,andtryingtofindalternativestohelpingpeoplelivebetterlives,Ithinkthat'sthebestadviceIcouldgiveanybody,wouldbetofindoutwhatworksforthem.


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PATIENT CASE STUDY 26 Patient26: SoIwasthefirstoneinthefamilytoactuallystartit.Mymom'sbeenwantingtodothisforalong

time,bewiththeOsborne's.I'mtheonewhostartedit.Wegottestedanditshowedallthemarkersfortheglutenintoleranceforme.

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Iwasonitfor2years.IwenttoOU.I'mincollegenow.IwenttoOUandIwenttoA&MandthissummerIwenttoDisneyWorld.IdecidedIwasdone.IdecidedIwasgoingtoeatthenormalfoodthereandnotgettheglutenfreefoodthattheyhad.IdidthatforaboutaweekandIcamebackandIgotreallysickfor2monthsstraight.Thelast2monthsIhadreallybadgaspains.WethoughtIhadtogotoagastroenterologisttogetscoped.Allbecauseofmegettingoffthediet.Thatwasareallyhugewakeupcallforme.

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I'llbehonestwhenIwasfirstonthisdietIbelievedinitbutIdidn'treallyfullydoit.Iwouldgoouttoeateverynowandthenwithfriendsyouknowandbecausecollege.That'swhatkidsdoincollege.Whynot?IwouldcookformyselfathomeandthenIwouldgooutontheweekendswithfriendsandeatoutwiththem,soIwasn'tfullyonit,butafterDisneyWorldIcamebackandIrealizedthatitreallyisabigdeal.NowIhavebeenfullyonit,cookingformyself,fullyonthePaleoDiet.Nograinsandwhatnot.Justfullydoingitcompletelynow.

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Symptomsandstuff,sinceI'vebeenonit.Iusedtohavemassivemigraines.Itcompletelywentaway.Iusedtohavereallybad,notasthma,justsnifflingmynoseandstuff.Thathasbeenmuchbetteralso.Twootherthings,whenIwasakidIusedtohavereallybadnosebleedsandIusedtohavereallybadstutteringandthosehavealmostcompletelygonetoo.Ihaven'thadanosebleedsinceliterallysinceIstartedthistwoyearsagoandthestutteringhasalmostcompletelygoneasyoucansee.Thosearethemainthings.

JonathanOtto: Soyouhaven'tstutteredbecauseofyourCeliac.

Patient26: Yeah.WellIguessso.It'sjustweirdbecausesinceI'vestartednowithascompletelygonenowprettymuch.Iwasreallybad.Icouldbarelytalk.RightnowIwouldbestutteringthewholetime.Youcouldbarelyunderstandme.It'salmostgonefromsinceIstartedit.

JonathanOtto: That'sincredible.

Patient26:[00:02:30][00:03:00]

Yeah.Iknow.It'sweird.LikeIsaidIdidn'tthinkthiswascompletelylegituntilstufflikethatstartedshowingup.Iwasgettingthatmuchbetterandthestuttering,thenosebleeds,themigraines,allthatstuffwentaway.Thingsyoudidn'tevenknowaboutjustcompletelygoaway.LikeIsaidthemigraines.Yougetalotmoreenergyandstuff.It'sweirdandthingsyoudon'tknowthatyouhavewilljustgoawayovertime.Youjustfeelbetter.Havingtheconfidencetodothis.Youhavetobeconfidentindoingthis.Peoplejudgeyoualot,especiallylikeIsaidbeingincollegeandwhatnot.Peoplethinkyou'reweirdonthisdiet.Yougooutwithfriendsandthey'relike,"Soyouwanttogoouttoeat?"andblah,blah,blah.I'mlike,"Ican't".They'relike,"Why?".I'mlike,"BecauseIdon'twanttokillmyself"prettymuch.Yeah.I'dsaydefinitelyforsure.EspeciallylikeIsaidbeingincollegeit'shardtodobutit'stotallyworthitintheend.

Patient26:[00:03:30]

Ireallywanttogetawarenessoutonthissubject.YetyouafterthediagnosisofCeliacDiseaseare3timesmoreatriskofcommittingsuicidethannon-Celiacpeers.

Patient26: Ididn'tknowthat.Wow.

JonathanOtto: Andnowmetellingyouthat,isthatashocktoyou?



Patient26: Kindof,yeah.Definitely,yes.

JonathanOtto: Butcouldyouunderstandwhatthosekidsaregoingthrough?

Patient26:[00:04:00]

Yeah.ImeanespeciallylikeIsaidincollegeandstuff.Icanunderstandthosethoughtsandwhatnot,butyeah.Imeanthismakesyoufeelsomuchbetter.Yeah.Incollegethattotallymakessenseandwiththisdiet.Atfirstsociallyyouthinkit'sgoingtoruinyourlifesocially,butImeanyoujustgetusedtoit.Youhavetoworkaroundyourlifesociallyandstuff.There'scertainplacesyoucangotothathavePaleofoodoryoucanbringyourownfoodandjusteatthat.

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Overtimeyourfriends,whoeveryouhangoutwiththey'llunderstandovertimethateatingtobewhoyouare.LikeIsaidI'mgoingouttoeatallthetime.Imeanit'sgreattotalktoyourfriends,butImeanyou'reputtingallthisgarbageinyourbody.You'reruiningyourbodyatthesametimeasyou'regainingyoursociallifeatthesametime,butyoucanstillbehealthyandhaveasociallifewithyourfriendsincollege.Youjusthavetoworkaroundit.

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AtfirstlikeIsaiditkindofsucks,butyougetusedtoit.Youworkaroundit.Youfindwaystoworkaroundit.YoufindwaystoworkyourlifearounditandalsoyoustarttomeetpeoplewhoarelikePaleotoo.It'salmostlikeacommoncharacteristic.Makesyoumakemorefriendstoo.Iknowitsoundscrazy,butI'vealsometpeoplewhoarePaleoandtheythinkit'sreallycoolandIbecomefriendswiththem.It'slikesometimeseatingthisyouthinktoyourself,"I'dratherjusteatthefoodandjustdealwiththesufferinglateronandhaveabettersociallifenow",butnowthatI'monitI'mgladIdiditnow.

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Ididitearlybecausemostpeoplewhoaredoingthisaredoingitlateronwhenthey'vealreadybeenthroughsurgery,beenthroughmedicationsandallthatstuff.AtleastIhaven'tbeenthereyet.I'mgladI'mstartingearly.It'sdefinitelybettertodoitthantonotiswhatI'msaying.I'vebeentocollegeparties.Iseeallthesepeoplebeingthelifeofthepartydrinking.IlookatmyselfandI'mlike,"Okay.That'sfunfornow,butthinkaboutthat10yearslater,it'sgoingtocomebackatyouandjustreallyhurtyou."

Ithinkaboutme.I'mreallygladI'mnotlikethateventhoughIwishIwashavingthatmuchfun.ImeanI'dmuchratherbehealthylateronthanbelikethat.Imeanitmakesyoubewhoyoureallyareinsteadofbesomeonewhoyou'renotlikepeopletrytobethelifeofthepartywhenthey'rejusttryingtogetattention,youknow,berealpopularandstuff.LikeIsaidI'dratherbeonthis.BewhoIactuallyamthantryandbelikethatand,youknow,sufferlateron.

[00:06:30] It'sactuallyweirdbecauseIliterallyjustthoughtofthatwhenIwasintheroom.Ijustthoughtofthatnow.Seeyoujustthinkofthingsovertimelikeyouneverevenrealizeuntilafteryou'reonthediet.Thingsstartpoppingupyou’relike,"Whoa,Ididn'tevenrealizethatstopped."It'scrazy.Ididn'teventhinkaboutthatuntillike30minutesagothatthatstopped.Again,it'slikebeingdifferentdoingthisdiet.

[00:07:00] Again,itsoundsweird,butitalmostmakesyouwanttobedifferentinotherwaystoo.Iwouldn'tsaythatI'mlikesocially...Okay.Iamkindofsociallyawkward,butIdon'tlikechange.Goingtocollegewaskindofhardformetomakefriendsandstuff.I'llbehonest,becauseIwasatUniversityofOklahomafirstandIwenttoA&Mitwaskindofhardtotransitionandstuff.

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Imeanbeingonthedietitshowsmethatchangeisagoodthing.GoingfromeatingcraptoeatinglikeIamnow.Ithasalsoconvincedme,givenmeconfidencetojoinotherclubs.Beoutsidemycomfortrealmandmeetotherpeople.

Withtheeatingout,youthinkitwoulddegradeyoursociallife,italsohelpsyoubylikethatway,youknowchange.It'smuchbetter.Idon'thaveto,like,everytimeIseeagirljustrunawaypretty



much.I'llbehonestthat'showIusedtobelike.Nowmoreconfidence.Icanactuallytalktothem.It'sgreat.It'smuchbetterthanitusedtobethat'sforsure.

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Imeanit'snicetohavepeaceofmindthatlateronI'llbehealthy,beabletosupportagoodfamily,youknowhopefullyhaveagoodjob.Beinghealthyisahugepartofthat.I'mgladthatatleastlateronIwon'thavediabetesoranythinglikethat.That'sagreatpeaceofmind.Also,speakingofthat,hopefullywhenyouaremarriedandhavekidsandstuffyou'rehopingtheworldingeneral.Hopefullyyoucanconvincethemtogoonthedietaswell.Likeyousaidiftheyhaveautoimmunediseaseyoucanconvincethemandthenyourkidswilleventuallyfollowyourpathandmaybeyourfamilyaswell.It'salmostlikeitspreadshopefully.Thisislikethestartbutitwillspreadeventually.Helppeopleallovertheworld.

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Again,itishardatfirsttochange,butyou'llthankyourselflateron.Forthefirstyearortwoyou'llbelike,"IwishIcouldeatthat",blahblahblah,butlateronyoudon'tevenhavethedesiretoeatanymore.Youknowit'sgoingtoruinyousoyouwouldmuchrathereatthestuffthat'sgoingtokeepyoualivetheneatthestuffthattastesgood.It'sdefinitelyaninitialchallengebutyougetoverit.Justdon'tgoback.Justthinkaboutwhatthepositiveswillbe.Don'tthinkabouthowit'sgoingtohurtyouinitially.Thinkaboutlateron.Peopledon'tdothat.Theydon'tthinkabouthowit'sgoingtoaffectyoulateron.That'sreallywhatmatters,right?Sothinkaboutthefuture.Imeannoonecaresaboutyourtastebuds.It'snotgoingtotasteasgoodatfirst,buteventuallyyougetusedtoitandeventuallyyouadaptandeventuallyit'sjustyoudon'twanttogoback.

JonathanOtto: Youstartenjoyingit.

Patient26: Yeah.

JonathanOtto: Youenjoyyourfood?

Patient26:[00:10:00]

Yeah.Imeanhonestlytherealotofgoodstuffthat'sPaleomadeoutthererightnow.Cookingforyourselfmakesyoumoreself-sufficientwhichisalsogood.Definitely.Especiallyastimegoesonitwillgetbetterandbetter.TherewillbemorerestaurantsthatarePaleo.Theinitialstartistough,butlateronitwillgetbetterandbetter.


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...IfollowedmykidswhowenttoseeaFunctionalMedicinedoctor.Weallgotonthediettogether,andsomeweirdsymptomsthatIhadhadforyears,andyears,andyearsstartedtoimprove.Ieventuallywenttoseehimmyself.Mychiefcomplaintwas,"I'manRN,andmyhusband'sasurgeon,andI'vebeenlimpingforeightyears."Itwouldcomeandgo.ItwouldgetsobadIcouldjustbarelywalkaroundmyhouseandthenit'dgoawayagain.Eventually,astimewentbyitstayed.

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Iwentandhada...Myhusbandx-rayedmyfeetandputmeinabootthinkingitwasplantarfasciitis.Thatneverhelped.WethoughtmaybeIhadastrokeIrecoveredfrom,orwereallydidn'tknowwhatitwas.WhenIwenttoaFunctionalMedicinedoctor,hedidalotoftestingonme,andIgotonaspecialdiet,andIhadawholelotofotherthingsIhadnoideawasrelatedtoallofthis,whichwasneurologicalthatstartedimproving.

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Oneofthemthatwas...Acoupleofthemthatwerereallyscary,oneofthemwasforabout15years,periodically,whenI'deat,I'dchokeonmyfood.Ithought,"Oh,Ihaveasthma.Iamanxietyridden.I'mnotpayingattentionwhenIeat,"butthenIrealizedIwaschokingevenonwater.SometimesI'dchokeandI'mnoteveneatinganything.Justthesalivainmythroat,Iwouldchoke.Infact,itwassobadsometimeswhenIwaseating,Iwouldactuallyrunoutofthehouseandbetryingtocatchmybreath.Ijustthoughtitwasanxiety.

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Iwenttoanallergist,anddidabunchoftestingatanallergistandthoughtIhadasthma,andIgotthestuffthatyouinjectyourselfwithincase,foranaphylacticreaction.Ihadsomeemergencyasthmamedicine,butweneverreallyknewwhatitwas.Oneofthescarierthingswasatnight,sometimesI'dbesleeping,anditwasworsewhenIhadacold.Iwouldwakeupinthemiddleofthenightandnotbeabletobreathe,somuchsothatI-TherewasonetimeitwasreallyscaryandIfellinthefloor,andforagood20minutesIwaslike...youknowlike,justnotbeingabletobreathe,andneverconnectedthatallofthiswasrelated.Itwasallaneurologicalthingthatwasgoingon.

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Ihadsomanythings.SeeingthatIcan'teatacertainwayandit'ssomethingthataffectedmybodyfromaveryyoungage.Whenyou'vehadsomeofthesethings15,20years,30yearssomeofthem,youdon'teventhinkit'sunusualbecauseyou'vejusthaditforsolong.Youjustthink,"Iinheritedthatdizziness.MybrotherhadMeniere'sdisease.Okay,IguessIinheritedthat.Ihavedizziness."Therewasaperiodwhenmyson,who's21now,wassix.Myhusbandwasoutoftown,tooktwoofthemtoDisneyWorld.IwashomewithtwoofthemandIgotreallybaddizzinessforthreeweeks.Ilostabouttenpounds.Ithought,"Well,maybeIgotavirus."

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Ifinallywenttotheemergencyroom.Theydidabunchoftestingonme.They'relike,"Wecan'tfindanything."IthoughtitwasmaybeevenanxietybecauseIhadfourkidsreallyclosetogether,likefourkidsinsixyears.Oneofthemwasbornfourmonthsearly,soIhadalotofstressatthattime.Youthinkit'sstress,it'sanxiety,butafterthreeweeks,thedizzinessallofasuddendisappeared.Someofthesethingsjustcameandwentovertheyears,andyoujustdon'tconnectthatthey'rerelatedtoanything.

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AsIwasgettingworse,aboutthetimeIwenttoOsborne,Iwouldtripveryeasily.Iwouldfall.Weusedtomakeabigjokeaboutit.I'maklutz.I'dfall.Theonethatwasbornrealprematurethat'snow,sheis23yearsold.Whenshehadjustcomehomefromthehospital,Iwasgoingdownthestaircasewithher,holdingher,inahurryandItrippedandIfell,andshefellhalfwaydownthestaircase.ThankGodshewasokay.Shedidgetacrack,butshewasokay.Irememberatthattime,whichwas23yearsago,whenithappened,it'slike,"AhI'malwaystrippingonthatfoot.I'malwaystrippingonit."Myneighborcameoverandhehadhergotothehospital.Itwasadisasterbutshewasfine.Iwaslike,"I'malwaystrippingonthatleg.WhydoIalwaystriponthatleg?"



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Thisiswhathappenedeightyearsago,thenIcouldn'twalkonthatleg.EightyearsagoIcouldn'twalkonit.Istartedlimpingreallybad.Wedidn'tconnectthattowhathappenedyearsbefore,that,"Ohyeah,that'sright.IalwaysthoughtItrippedonthatleg."Thisstuffhasbeengoingon30years,probablysincemyyoungtwenties,I'vehadneurologicalthingsgoingonthatIneverconnectedthemtogether,andIcertainlyneverconnectedthemtowhatIwaseating.

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It'sneurological,thebalance,thedizziness,thetripping.It'sjust,youthinkyou'reaklutzbutitwasactuallyconnectedtomyleg,notbeingabletowalk,alltheotherneurologicalstuffIhadgoingonthatIdidn't-Ifit'sglutenataxiaorMS,whatever,itwassuchaslowprocessthatIjustdidn'tconnectitwithanythinguntilneartheveryendwhenIfinallydidseesomebody.Ihadalotgoingon.Bothmyparentspassedaway.IwouldwalkthedogswithmyhusbandintheeveningandItoldhim-LikeIsaid,he'sasurgeon,I'manRN...Isaid,"Wayne,Ifeellikesomebodypouredconcreteinmyshoes.Thisisnotnormal."Isaid,"Ifeellikemyshoeshaveconcreteinthem,"andhe'slike-That'swhenhestarted,"Youdon'twanttogotoaneurologist.Ifyougotoaneurologist,it'sgoingtobenothinggoodandthere'snothingtheycandoforyouanyway."

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AboutthistimewasthetimeIwenttotheFunctionalMedicinedoctorandtookmykids,andthenIstartedgettingbetter.Iwaslike,"Ohmygoodness.Allthisstuffwasrelated."Allthisstuff,over30years-Okay,onethingwe'vebeenmarried33years.SinceI'vebeenmarried,I'veneverbeenabletokeepmyringsonduringthedaybecausemyfingerswouldswell.Iwasalwaystakingthemoffandputtingthemsomewhere.Ihadoneofmydiamondsstolenyearsago.Ineverreplacedit,whichI'mokay.I'mnotajewelryperson.Thirty-threeyearsI'vebeenmarried,myfingershavebeenswelling.

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SinceIdidtheFunctionalMedicinediet,theystoppedswelling.Theydon'tswellanymoreatall.Thatwasmywholelife,youknow?It'sbeenprettyamazing.ImadealistbecauseIwasdepressed,wellnotdepressed.Ireallyamnotthetypethatgetsdepressed.Iwasannoyed.I'mveryactivesoIwasannoyed,"Ican'tgoatthepaceIwanttogoat,"becauseI'mveryactive.Iusedtowalk.Iusedtorunsixmilesaday,thenitgottowhereIwalkedsixmiles,orfivemilesday,andthenitgottowhereIcouldn'tdoitanymore.Iswitchedtodoinganellipticallikeeightyearsago.Idoanellipticalthreeandahalfhoursaday.It'samazing.Icandoit.Icandohitsonit,youknow,high-intensityeveryfiveminutesonit,anddothreeandahalfmiles.Iliftweightsthreetimesaweek,butIcan'twalk!Ican'twalklikenormally.Sometimesitgetsalittlebitbetterbeingonthediet,butithasn'tgoneawaycompletelyatall.

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ItfrustratesmesoImakemylittlelist,keptitinmydeskdrawer,andeverytimeIthinkofsomething,"Ohwow."Justliketheringfinger,"Wow."Myhandsandfeethavebeengettingcoldmywholemarriedlife.Iusedtoputmyfeetonmyhusbandandhe'dgo,"Getthemawayfromme.It'slikeyou'redeadorsomething."Thatwasjustkindofourjoke.Ihadcoldhandsandfeet,andIdon'thaveitanymore.Istartedmakingthislistjustto,whenthesethingswouldpopuplike,"Wow,thatwentaway."Ihadityears,andIjusthavealistbackandforthofthingswrittendownthatimprovedwhenIswitchedovertothediet.

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Well,youknowwhat?Youjustwanttobehealthy.Whenyougetolder,youjustwanttobehealthyandbeabletostayactive.IliterallyprayeverydayIdon'tendupinawheelchair,walker,oracane.IunderstandifIpossiblyhaveMS,thatcouldpossiblyhappenbutI'mdoingeverythingIcannottoletthathappen.Iknowit'snotconventionalmedicine.That'snotgoingtowork.I'vereadalotofbooksaboutMS.Conventionalmedicineisverydepressing.

JonathanOtto: Theydon'thaveanysolutionsforyou.

Patient27:

Ohno,it'sjustdrugsthatdon'tworkandthey'renoteven-Well,numberone,there'stwotypesofMS.Onethatyourotateinandoutof,whichifIhadit,that'swhatIhadwhenIwasyounger.Thenitgoestoprogressive,whichmeansyouhaveitallthetime.Itjustslowlygetsworse.Noneofthemedicinesworkforprogressive.Noneofthemworkverygoodanyway.



[00:10:00] They'reterriblyexpensive,buttheydon'twork.Theydon'tworkwell.BecauseIwasinthemedicalsystem,Iknewthat'sthelastthingIwouldwanttodoisbeonabunchofpillsfortherestofmylife.

JonathanOtto: Yeah.

Patient27: Thatdon'twork.

JonathanOtto: Thisisyourlist?

Patient27: Yes.That'smylist.

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Well,Iactuallyrewroteittoupdateit.Ikeepitinmydesk.WheneverIthinkofanything,Irunoverthereandtrytowriteitdown.WhenIwaslookingatittodaytorewriteitalittlebit,that'sgoodhandwriting.Actually,myhandwritingwentfromchickenscratch.Ithought"Ohwow.IguessI'mgettinglazyasIgetolder."Myhandwritingwashorrid.Myhandwritingisbetternow.Youcanactuallyreaditnow.

Itlookedlikedoctor'shandwriting.Ijustthought"OhI'mgettingimpatient,whatever."Itoldmyhusband,"Wayne,mysignature'sbetternow.It'samazing."

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OnethingIknow,thinkit'satthetopofthelist,oneofthefirstthingswhenIwasaboutfourmonthsintothediet,IusedtoalwaysbeabletopushmyselfuponthecounterandgetwhatIwantedbecausewehaverealhighceilingsinourhouse.Ifyouwantsomethinguphighinthecabinets,youhavetogetonthecountertogetit.I'vealwaysbeenveryactive,workouteveryday.I'vebeenveryactive.IalwayspushedmyselfontothecounterandwouldgetwhatIwant.

Aboutayearandahalf,twoyearsago,beforeIstartedallofthis,Iwasnotabletodothat.Ihadtomoveastoolovertothecountertoclimbuponitandgetsomething.Ijustcouldn'tdoit,andIdidn'tthinkanythingaboutit.I'm57.Ijustthought"Okay,I'moldnow.Iguessfromnowonyoumovethestooloverandyougetwhatyouwant."

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Aboutfourmonthsintothediet,Iwasn'teventhinkingaboutit,andIpushedmyselfuponthecounter.Iwaslike"Ohmygosh.What?"IguessIwaslosingmusclestrength,maybethecoordinationandlosingmusclestrength.Myhusbandtheotherday.we'vebeenmarried33years,hedoesthingstoannoymeonpurposesometimes.Iwasalwaysreallystrongandwecouldwrestleorwhatever.Icanpushhimhalfwayacrosstheroom.He's6'1.

[00:12:30] Hedidsomethingtheotherdaytoannoyme.Westartedwrestling.Hewaslike"Holywhatever.You'recomingback."Iwaspushinghimacrosstheroomagain.Ithoughtnothingofit.I'mgettingolder.That'sallyouthink.Youdon'tthinkyourmusclesaregettingwasted,especiallywhenyouworkout.Youdon'tthinkyou'rewasting,butthat'swhatitwas.Ithadtodowiththeglutengraincausingmusclewasting.

[00:13:00] Ihavethreedaughters,andtheyallweartheLululemonyogapants.IcouldnotwearLululemonyogapants.Ilookedridiculousinthem.Itwaslaughable.

JonathanOtto: Why?

Patient27: Iwasneveroverweight.Myhusband,hehasthesesyndromes.HesaysthatIhavesomebizarreKevorkiansyndrome,XYZwhatever.ItwaslikeajokebecauseIhadallthisweirdstuffthatdidn'treallyfitanything.

[00:13:30] Mybodywasrealheavyhere,butIwasrealskinnyuptopandsortofwastedlooking.ItwasajokewhenIputonYogapants.Weliterallywouldrollaroundonthefloorandlaugh.That'show



badIlooked,okay?

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Aboutayearandahalfortwoyears,yeahayearandahalfintothediet,IwentwithoneofmydaughterswhodoesCrossfitandeverything.Wewentandtryingonyogapants.She'slike"Mom,thoseactuallylookgoodonyou."Iwaslike"Noway.Noway."Iwaslike"Ohwaitaminute,thosedon'tlookasbadastheyusedtolook."Myhusbandwaslike"That'ssoweird."NowIwearthemallthetime.IcoverupwhenIgoplacesandthingslikethat,butIjustlooklikeanormalpersonnow,wearingyogapants.

JonathanOtto: Isnicetofeelwomanly?

Patient27: Heckyeah.57.No,butIalwayscouldhideinthingslikethis,butinyogapantsyoucan't.Ijustthought"Thisisjustme.I'mbornwiththisweirdobody."


Doyoufeelattractive?

Patient27: Huh?

JonathanOtto: You'reinarelationshipwithyourhusband.Isitnicetofeelwomanlyandattractivetoyourhusband?

Patient27:[00:15:00]

Yeah,andIalwayshave,butIcouldn'twearyogapants.NowIcanwearfrickenyogapants.Itwasmybody.Musclewasting,that'swhatitcauseswhenyou'reglutenintolerant.Itcausesmusclewasting.Allthat'smusclewasting,notbeingabletopushuponthecounter,thestrengthcomingback,thebodyshapechanging.That'sallmuscle,whichcomesfromeatingsomethingIwasn'tsupposedtoeat.

InevergotanofficialdiagnosisbythetimeIgottoafunctionalmedicinedoctor.IrealizedIhadsomethingseriouslyneurologicallygoingon.Iwasgettingbetterandtherewasn'tanyneedtogotoanybodyelse.

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Myfunctionalmedicinedoctorgavemesomanythingstodo.OnethinghetoldmeIcoulddoIwaslike"I'mnotgoingtobeabletodothat"becauseIhadlosttheabilitytojumprope.Hesaid,"No,youneedtogotryanddoitnow.Don'tdoitwithshoeson."Icanjumpropeagain.Thatwasanewthing.That'sbeenafewmonths.Myhusbandsatthereandwatchedmedoit.HesawmewhenIwastryingtojumpropeandIcouldn'tdoit.Ihadbeenabletodoit.HesawmeayearandahalfagoIcouldn'tdoitanymore.Hethinksit'sreallyneatthatIcanjumpropenow.Hegoes"You'relikesomebodyatCrossfitjumpingropenow."Istillcan'twalkthatgreat.

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I'veactuallybeenkeepingthisbecauseprobablythemainthingwasaninabilitytowalk.Ihadbeenlimpingforabouteightyears.WhenIwenttoafunctionalmedicinedoctor,IslowlystartedgettingbetterwhenIgotonthedietthatIoriginallyhadtakenmykidsfor.Igotonthedietwiththem.MysymptomssomeofthemIdidn'tevenreallyrealizewereanythingthatwaswrongwithme.Ijusthadcometolivewithit.Theystartedgettingbetter.

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I'lljuststartwithoneandgoallthewaydown.I'vebeenmarried33years.FromthetimerightbeforewewerefirstmarriedwhenIwasabout23yearsold,myhairhadbeenfallingout.IstartedusingRogainereallyyoung.Myhusband'sadoctor,andhewasabletogetitforme.Istartedusingitreallyyoungbecausemymotherhadhadallherhairfallout,soIwasveryparanoidthatthatwasgoingtohappentome.

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Muchfurtheralonginthisprocess,Ihadstartedfallingalot.IhadjustthoughtIwasklutzyandnotpayingattention.Wewouldlaughaboutitasafamily.Iwouldtripoverthisandtripoverthat.

Westartedhikingprobablyabouttenyearsago.InoticedwhenIhikedmyankleswouldjustbe



realwobblyandgiveout,soIhadtogethightophikingboots.Ialwayssaid,"OhIhaveweakankles.Ihavetoalwayswearhightophikingboots."Thatwentaway.Idon'thavetowearanykindofanklesupportanymore.

JonathanOtto: That'sawesome.[00:18:00]Patient27:

Mygaithasbeenoffforeightyears.Mygait'sbeenoffbecauseI'vebeenlimping.IhadsoresallovermyfeetbecauseIwillnotstopwalking,yetIwalkwithahorriblelimp.Imayhavehadeightto10soresonmyfeetatonetime.I'mdowntoonenow,whichformeisgreatbecauseitreallymakesitdifficulttowearshoesanddowhatyouwanttodo.

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AnotherreallyscarysymptomIhadthatIhadnoideawasrelated,foraboutthelast10,15yearswhenIwouldeatsometimes,evendrinkwater,orwhenIwasn'teveneating,Iwouldchokeonmyfood.Itwouldgodownthewrongway.I'dbelikegaspingforbreath.SometimesitwassobadIwouldliterallyrunoutinthefrontyard,juststandupandjusttrytocatchmybreath.Thathasbeengoingoffandonforabout15years.Ithoughtagainitwasanxiety,eatingtoofast.

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AnothersymptomthatwasreallyscarywassometimesinmysleepIwouldwakeupandIcouldn'tbreathe.Therewouldbeabunchoffluidinmythroat,andIcouldn'tbreath.Itwaslikeyou'redrowning,you'rechokingtodeath.Thatwasreallyscary.TherewereacoupleoftimesthatIthinkIcouldhavemaybedied.WethoughtIwashavinganasthmaattack.Iwenttoanallergistanddidlungcapacityonme,didabunchofallergytesting,andendedupgivingmeaninhalantandgavemeEpiPenbecausewethoughtmaybetherewassomethingI'mreactingtoo.Thatwasneverwhatitwas,butwewerethinkingitwassomekindofasthmatypething.

Patient27:[00:20:30]

ArealrecentoneafterIstartedonthedietwasIhadnot...Wehaverealhighceilingsinmyhouse,andIhadnotbeenabletopushmyselfuponthecounterandjustgetwhatIwant.Ialways,thelastcoupleofyears,Ihaddraggedachairoverandclimbedupthechairandthengetit.Ithought,"Well,youknow,I'm..."AtthetimeIstartedthediet,Iwas55.Iwaslike,I'moldnowandIguessI'matthatpointthatIcan'tdothatanymore.Well,afterIwasonthedietaboutfourmonths,Ijustwasn'teventhinkingaboutit.Ipushedmyselfupandwasabletodoitagain.Idoitallthetimenow.Idon'tevenhavetothinkaboutit.IcanpushmyselfupandgetsomethingthatIwantrealhighuponthecounter,climbuponthecounterslikeIusedtowhenIwasyounger.ItreallyshockedmewhenIdiditthefirsttime.Itwaslike,"Whoa."Icalledmyhusbandandtoldhim.Isaid,"Youwouldn'tbelievewhatIjustdid."

Ihadveryseverearthritis.

JonathanOtto: Youcanactuallytellme.[00:21:00]Patient27:[00:21:30]

Ihadseverearthritis.IusedtotellmyhusbandandmydoctorthatIfeellikethere'srubberbandsinmylegs.It'ssostiffitjustfeelslikethere'srubberbands.Well,that'sgonenow.Myonereally,reallyscarythingwasmymemorywasgettingreallybad.Thatwasrealscarybecausemydaughter...IrememberonetimewewereadmittingherintonursingschoolandIaskedherseveraltimesthesamequestions...Severaltimes.Shesaid,"Mom,literallyyoujustaskedmethat."Thishappenednotinfrequentlyanditculminated,andIthrewoutahugeIRScheckintherecyclingbinthatmyhusbandhadbeentellingmeto,"Keepyoureyeonit,keepyoureyeonit."Ithrewitinthetrashandtotallyforgotaboutit.Mymemorywasgettingvery,verybad.That'snotanissueatallanymore.Thatwasreallyscary,okay?

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I'malotstrongerwhenIwalkmydogs.Theydon'tpullmedownlikearagdollanymorewhenanotherdogrunsuptous.I'mabletoholdbothofthem,andthey'rehuge.IhadacoughthatIhadforabout11months,anditwasuntil11inthemorning,Iwouldcough.ItwentawayafterIgotoffthedairycompletely.



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Ifitinmyclothing.It'smuchbetternow.Myweightdidnotchangeatall.Myclothesfitalotbetter.Theyjustlookbetteronme.Idon'thavemybloodsugarsgoupanddownanymore.Icangoalldayandeat,ornoteat,andIfeelfine.Idon'tdropthingsanymore.Iusedtodropthingsforthefirstthreehours,fourhoursinthemorning.Idon'tdothatanymore.Mybloodpressurewasgettinghigher.It'stotallynormalnow.

[00:23:00]

Ialsohadaflyingphobia,whichmyfunctionalmedicinedoctortoldmewasgoingtobebetterthenexttimeIwent.Ithought,"There'snoway.I'vehadthismywholelife."Myflyingphobiaisalmostcompletelygone.It'samazing.Thelastweflewoverseas,Iwasableto...Iwasfinethewholetimeweflew.Ididn'teventakethevitaminpillstheygavemeto...thathelpyourelax.Ididn'tevenhavetotakethose.

Idon'tgetsickinhighaltitudesanymore.Ilovetogotothemountains,butoftenwhenIwouldgo,we'dgetupinthehighmountainsandIwouldgetnauseousandvomit.Idon'tdothatanymore.Alotofthesethingshavetodowiththedizziness.Ihaddizzinessthat...Istillhaveitsomebutit'snotassevereasisusedtobe,sothatwentaway.

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Ihadcoldhandsandfeet.Thosewentaway.Ihadnumbnessinmytoe.Itwentaway.Myweddingringfingerusedtoalwaysswell.We'vebeenmarried33yearsanditdoesn'tswellanymore.Icanleavemyringonalldaylong.Icanputmypantsonwithoutholdingontothewall.WheneverIputonmyyogapantsorwhatever,Iusedtohavetoholdontothewallandsupportmyself.Idon'thavetodothatanymore.Allthesethings,Ididn'tchangewhatIdo.Myexercisingdidnotchange.IdoexactlythesamethingI'vealwaysdone.Itdidn'thaveanythingtodowiththat.

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IusedtohaveafeelingofsomebodypouredconcreteinmyshoeswhenIwouldwalkalongdistance,whenmyhusbandandIarewalkingthedog.That'sgone.Idon'thavethatheavyfeelinginmylegsanymore.Icanjumprope.Ihadn'tbeenabletojumpropeforacoupleofyear.Myhandwritingisbacktolookinglikewhatmyhandwritingusedtolooklike,whichis...Itlookedlikechickenscratchthereforawhile...Ijustthoughtnothingofit.

Iusedtohurtmyselfalotwithstrainsandbackachesandthingslikethat.Idon'tgetanyofthatkindofthinganymore.Here'smylist.I'llprobablykeepaddingtoit.

JonathanOtto: How'sitfeel?

Patient27: Great.Imeanitwasneattoreadthroughandit'slike,"Ohyeah,that'sright.Idon'thavethatanymore."Itwasneat.

JonathanOtto: Haveyoucongratulatedyourself?

Patient27: No,IjustthankGod.

JonathanOtto: YouthankGod?[00:25:00]Patient27:

IthankGod.Oh,heckyeah.

JonathanOtto: Why?

Patient27:[00:25:30]

I'vebeenprayingforalongtimetofigureoutwhatwaswrongwithme.Alsotohelpmychildren,becausewehadsomanyissues.Iwouldhaveneverthoughtthiswasmyanswerforthat.TheyhadsomanyissuesandI'mnotapersonthatwantsmykidsinadoctor'soffice24hoursaday,becauseIknowit'snotgoingtohelpthem.Notonlyinmyfamily,myparent'sfamily.Itgoesbackgenerationsofauto-immuneissues,mentalhealthissues.Youwanttogiveyourkidsabetterfuturethanthat.Youlookatyourpastlike,"Iwantmykidstohavethefutureofmypast."You



wanttogivethemsomethingbetter.

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That'swhyitstartedwithmytwokidscomingfirst.Idohaveoneproblem.IamCatholicandit'sbeentoughnottobeabletotaketheEucharist.That'sreallytough.Youcanhavethewineoccasionally,ifyougetuptherebythefrontbeforeitgetstakendown.Mykidsareallveryreligious.Ihaveawesomekids.They'reallreligious.Myhusband'sveryreligious.We'reveryCatholic/religious.It'sverytoughnottobeabletotaketheEucharist.It'stoughforme...Formykidstoo.Especiallymyson.Ithinkit'shardestonhim.

JonathanOtto: Whatifyoutookagluten-freeone?[00:26:30]Patient27:

Theydon'tmaketherighttypeofgluten-freeone.

JonathanOtto: Whatifyoubroughtyourownin?

Patient27:[00:27:00]

Youhavetohavespecificones.Youhavetogogetit.Youhavetobringitup...It'scalledapyx.Youhavetobringitupwithapyx.Youhavetohavespeciallyblessed,soyoucangetthewine,butyouhavetositcloseenough...Myphysiciansaiditcangetcontaminatedwiththehost...Withthegrainfromthehost.Youneedtositprettymuchnearthefrontsoyougetatthebeginning.Whenyougotoabigchurch,that'stoughtodo...Tositnearthefront.That'sprobablyliterallythehardestthingforme...Asmuchasyougiveuponthisdiet,yougetsomuchbackphysically.That'swasreallytoughformebeingCatholic.Itstillis.Itstillishard.

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IjustfigureGod...Iwaspraying,andthisisareallyoddstory,butatthetimemydadpassedaway,Iaskedforhishelpwithallthestuffthatwasgoingonwithmyfamily.Literally,thenextdayIwenttothisdoctor.Itwasverystrange.Thefriendofminethatgotmetogotothisphysician...IkeptseeingheratWholeFoodsandseeingheratWholeFoods.Shekepttellingme,"Youneedtogoseehim,youneedtogoseehim."Overaboutatwoyearperiod.Ineverseeheranymore.It'salmostlike...Ifeellikethiswasouranswer.Istillhavealotofproblemswiththehost...theEucharist.Ifeelbadaboutthat.Afunctionalmedicaldoctoristhebestroutetostart,beforeyoudoanythingelse.

JonathanOtto: Yeah.You'llbehearingwhatIwanttosaytoyouis?

Patient27:[00:28:30][00:29:00]

Findareallygoodfunctionalmedicinedoctor,whichIdon'tthinkiseasytodo.Startwiththatfirst,beforeyoutryanythingelse.I'msogladIdidn'tendupinaneurologistoffice,becauseit'smychoicetonotbeonamillionmeds.IknowwhatIprobablyhave.Ieitherhavedamagefromglutenataxia[inaudible00:28:26].Mywholelife,IwasdamagedfromitbecauseIcouldn'teatit,andIwaseatingitmywholelife.Oritsomething/similartoMS.I'vereadallaboutMS.Idefinitelychoosenottobethosemedications,becausetheydonotwork.I'vereadTerryWahlsandshedoesitallthroughherdiet.Shegotoffmeds.She'saphysician.Idefinitely,that'stherouteIwanttogo.Idon'twanttogothemedicalroute.Iknowthemedicalroute.Findagoodfunctionalmedicinedoctorandletthemworkyouup.Dowhathesays,andtrythat.Giveityourall,anddoeverythinghesays.Sticktoitcoupleofyearsandtrythatfirst.

JonathanOtto: Willtheygetbetter?

Patient27:[00:29:30]

Probably.Ithinkso,unlessit'ssomething...Arare...That'ssomethingthat'soperable.Ifit'ssomethingthatneedstobeoperatedon,that'sdifferent.Mostthingsthatarechronicillnessesdefinitelyautoimmunediseases.That'stheroutetogo.

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